The Megyn Kelly Show - New Fani Willis Witnesses, and the Power of Drudge, with Dave Aronberg, Mike Davis, Chris Moody, and Jamie Weinstein ｜ Ep. 738

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00:00:31.340 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111

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00:00:43.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Super Tuesday.

00:00:48.660 Remember that?

00:00:49.400 Do you guys know that SNL reference?

00:00:51.120 I used to do this on the air at Fox and Brett Barrow would be like,

00:00:53.540 what are you doing?

00:00:54.580 And then he like, he learned to love Super Tuesday.

00:00:58.600 Womp womp. 0.99

00:00:59.380 It's really not that super.

00:01:00.380 It's kind of super boring.

00:01:02.500 2024, a very different election year from the prior Super Tuesdays.

00:01:07.180 We know President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump

00:01:09.500 are going to dominate tonight and they're going to be the nominees.

00:01:12.240 The only thing that's going to stop them is somehow their own parties

00:01:15.140 intervening to stop them or, you know,

00:01:18.240 the big man upstairs stepping in to say,

00:01:20.520 you won't be around in November.

00:01:22.360 God forbid.

00:01:22.800 Instead, I'm just saying, it's going to happen.

00:01:25.080 These two are the nominees.

00:01:26.340 We're going to let you know officially what happens tomorrow,

00:01:28.840 but that's not where the real news is today when it comes to this presidential race.

00:01:33.320 Instead, it is in the courts.

00:01:34.880 And we have major updates in several of the proceedings,

00:01:38.080 including the Fannie Willis disqualification case in which not one,

00:01:42.760 but two new witnesses have just come forward and the implications for former President Donald

00:01:48.400 Trump's trial there, as well as continued fallout in the Supreme Court decision yesterday,

00:01:53.620 which we and others have been pouring over to figure out just how good it is for Donald Trump.

00:01:58.200 And it turns out it's even better than we thought.

00:01:59.900 Plus, we've got trial updates now out of New York, D.C., and more.

00:02:06.720 There are a lot of maneuverings going on behind the scenes by the Democrats to make these things happen faster.

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00:02:56.160 Joining me now to kick things off today is Mike Davis.

00:02:59.540 He's founder of the Article 3 Project.

00:03:01.860 And Dave Ehrenberg, state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, where Mar-a-Lago is located.

00:03:07.100 You can find Mike on Fox, Dave on MSNBC, but together only right here on The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:03:14.020 Guys, welcome back.

00:03:15.820 Great to have you.

00:03:16.980 We'll get to Fannie in a minute. 0.65

00:03:20.760 But I want to start with the Supreme Court decision yesterday, nine to zero, that Trump

00:03:27.900 should stay on the ballot in Colorado, and this will affect him in all the states.

00:03:34.820 Anybody trying to kick him off is going to have to deal with this.

00:03:36.760 But as it turns out, there was more in the decision, and it had just broken when we went

00:03:41.360 to air yesterday, than we really knew.

00:03:44.500 And I'll paraphrase it from Andy McCarthy's National Review piece, where he said, OK, it's

00:03:54.180 for sure they held that states are not empowered by the 14th Amendment to remove alleged insurrectionists

00:04:02.520 from the ballot.

00:04:03.540 That is clear.

00:04:04.940 All nine agreed on that.

00:04:06.780 States can't do it.

00:04:08.060 Can't have the patchwork of Colorado finding differently than, you know, Georgia, Florida,

00:04:14.060 et cetera.

00:04:14.700 And then five of the justices went on to say, the only conservative who didn't join in this

00:04:19.900 is Amy Coney Barrett, that this insurrectionist piece of the 14th Amendment can only be enforced

00:04:27.740 against someone who's been convicted of an insurrection, who has been convicted of an

00:04:35.100 insurrection.

00:04:35.720 And that is the piece that drove the three liberals nuts.

00:04:40.240 So they wrote their own decision, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Ketanji Brown-Jackson, saying, you went

00:04:46.920 too far.

00:04:47.420 I read this to the audience yesterday.

00:04:48.820 There was no reason to get to that.

00:04:50.760 You shouldn't have gotten to that.

00:04:52.300 And the reason they're so mad about it, Mike, is that what this does is it makes it impossible

00:04:58.960 for Congress really at any point at any time that's going to affect Trump to invoke this

00:05:09.920 clause against him again, because the majority of the Supreme Court said this piece of the

00:05:15.120 Constitution, the 14th Amendment, saying you can't run if you're an insurrectionist.

00:05:18.820 It can only be enforced against someone convicted of an insurrection.

00:05:23.940 And Trump hasn't been convicted.

00:05:25.700 He was impeached for things in the House.

00:05:28.620 He wasn't found guilty in the Senate.

00:05:30.480 He hasn't been indicted for insurrection anywhere.

00:05:35.180 And so this really was even better for Trump than at least we first thought.

00:05:38.840 We looked at it yesterday.

00:05:39.560 What do you make of it?

00:05:40.140 Well, the Supreme Court's exactly right.

00:05:43.100 And they're following a precedent from more than 150 years ago called the Griffin's case.

00:05:48.900 And it was it's not a controlling precedent.

00:05:50.660 It's a persuasive precedent where then Chief Justice Salmon Chase, riding circuit as a circuit

00:05:59.420 judge, not a Supreme Court justice, decided a case where it was these exact patterns where

00:06:07.140 someone was that they were trying to disqualify a Confederate who engaged in insurrection or rebellion.

00:06:12.900 And Salmon Chase said, no, in order to do this, Congress has to pass a federal criminal statute

00:06:19.700 for insurrection or rebellion with a disqualification clause, which Congress promptly did.

00:06:26.220 And it's on the books now.

00:06:28.260 The most updated version was 1948.

00:06:31.100 And it's still in the books.

00:06:33.420 And if Jack Smith or the Democrats want to get rid of Trump, if they fear American voters

00:06:39.660 and they don't want American voters to decide the election on November 5th, 2024, then Jack

00:06:45.740 Smith better get moving.

00:06:47.180 He better charge Trump with insurrection under this statute.

00:06:50.980 He better get a federal jury, grand jury to indict a federal jury to find guilt, guilt

00:06:56.240 unanimously with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, a federal judge to convict.

00:07:00.260 And that conviction upheld on appeal.

00:07:02.000 That's the only way you can disqualify under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

00:07:06.200 You have to ask yourself this.

00:07:07.900 The January 6th Democrats and the Biden Justice Department have spent tens of millions of dollars

00:07:14.260 hunting for insurrection evidence on Trump.

00:07:17.560 And they charged Trump with many other things, but they couldn't charge Trump with insurrection

00:07:21.700 because the evidence doesn't exist.

00:07:24.240 How many insurrectionists go unarmed and into a nation's capital,

00:07:29.020 get to the Senate floor of the nation's capital and walk through velvet ropes, follow police 0.99

00:07:34.400 direction, take selfies and don't burn down the damn place. 0.96

00:07:38.080 January 6th was a lawful protest permitted by the National Park Service that devolved into 0.99

00:07:44.380 a riot period, full stop.

00:07:46.260 And what Andy says, Dave, is that this means that congressional Democrats would not be able

00:07:57.800 to, on the next January 6th of 2025, right after we've had the election, you know, that

00:08:03.660 was the day they certified the vote.

00:08:05.240 Mike Pence counted the votes.

00:08:06.420 They would not be able to refuse to ratify a Trump victory on the grounds that he is an

00:08:13.360 insurrectionist.

00:08:14.260 The Supreme Court just took that away from them.

00:08:17.580 And this is one of the many reasons why some on the left are very angry at the Supreme Court

00:08:23.120 for this decision.

00:08:23.960 And in particular, for that additional step the five conservatives took.

00:08:29.040 Well, first off, good to be with you, Megan.

00:08:32.800 It's nice to see Mike so happy for once.

00:08:36.240 I can see why he's got two, he's got two really good Supreme Court decisions under his

00:08:42.520 belt, plus good polling numbers.

00:08:44.140 So congrats, Mike.

00:08:44.940 This is your halcyon period.

00:08:47.380 And I tell my Democratic friends, this is what you get when you listen to Susan Sarandon for

00:08:54.880 your political advice and end up voting for Jill Stein, you get a Supreme Court that doesn't

00:09:00.180 know the idea of judicial restraint.

00:09:02.240 So instead of just ruling on the issue in front of them, they went further.

00:09:05.220 And the one thing I would disagree with, Megan, is, and I have a lot of respect for Judge

00:09:08.940 McCarthy, but I didn't see that in the opinion where you have to have a conviction for insurrection

00:09:14.660 before you can bounce someone from the ballot.

00:09:17.140 And I read this in the concurring opinions.

00:09:20.440 And here's how I interpret it, is that what the Supreme Court said is that only Congress

00:09:27.420 can enforce Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

00:09:31.560 Now, there's nothing in Section 5 that says it's exclusive to Congress, but the Supreme

00:09:36.800 Court said only Congress.

00:09:38.140 So if that means that there is someone who did engage in insurrection and was convicted

00:09:43.640 of insurrection, that states cannot bounce that person off the ballot.

00:09:48.380 But only Congress can establish a mechanism.

00:09:51.600 And if Congress doesn't establish a mechanism, then tough luck.

00:09:54.740 Plus, even-

00:09:55.360 Well, wait, let me just answer that.

00:09:57.300 You're right.

00:09:57.840 I mean, I simplified it for the audience.

00:09:59.880 But what Andy is saying is that right now, the only existing statute that could be used

00:10:07.280 is the penal law against insurrection.

00:10:10.040 That's the only law in the books right now that could be used.

00:10:13.160 And Trump has not been charged as an insurrectionist.

00:10:15.660 So yes, going forward, sure, they could change the law.

00:10:19.580 But you tell me how in a Republican-controlled House, and we all remember Schoolhouse Rock,

00:10:25.420 it's got to go through the House and the Senate and be signed by the president to become a

00:10:29.740 law, they're going to change the law between now and November.

00:10:33.440 Oh, there is a less than 0% chance they're going to do that.

00:10:37.720 There is not going to be a change.

00:10:39.120 Congress is not going to act.

00:10:40.140 Congress is going to do what they're best at, which is do nothing.

00:10:42.580 So what this court decision did was to also tell federal courts that you don't have the

00:10:49.460 power to disqualify a federal candidate from office because of insurrection.

00:10:55.540 Even if they're convicted of an insurrection, it's going to be up to Congress to create a

00:11:00.380 mechanism to do that.

00:11:02.160 And so that takes the power away from state officials and judges until Congress acts.

00:11:07.140 So that's why it was such a broad ruling, such a powerful ruling by these justices and why

00:11:11.260 even Justice Amy Coney Barrett said, hey, let's not go this far.

00:11:15.260 Let's use some judicial restraint.

00:11:16.740 But Katie, bar the door. 1.00

00:11:19.060 Mike's shaking his head no.

00:11:20.560 Why?

00:11:20.980 Well, I would say I think David is right that you can have a civil component to this because

00:11:24.900 the predecessor to this criminal statute on insurrection or rebellion, there was a civil

00:11:29.120 statute.

00:11:29.840 So it could be either civil set up by Congress or criminal.

00:11:33.200 So that's, you know, well, according to the Griffin's case, it has to be criminal, but

00:11:37.880 there was a civil component to this.

00:11:40.700 So, you know, that's he could be he could be right there.

00:11:43.960 I would say this on could Congress right now, could federal prosecutors right now get rid

00:11:50.140 of people engaged in insurrection?

00:11:51.620 And the answer is yes, they would have to be charged.

00:11:54.680 Those insurrectionists would have to be charged under this federal criminal statute for insurrection

00:11:59.080 or rebellion with a disqualification clause that's already on the books.

00:12:02.780 Congress wouldn't have to do anything new.

00:12:04.860 It's just the the Biden Justice Department would actually have to come up with evidence

00:12:10.120 of insurrection or rebellion.

00:12:11.680 Well, like, like, take take, for example, some of those J6 defendants who actually were 0.78

00:12:16.280 charged with insurrection and found guilty.

00:12:19.420 Well, I don't know if they were charged with insurrection.

00:12:21.820 I think they were charged with seditious conspiracy, which is right.

00:12:24.720 All right.

00:12:25.460 You're right.

00:12:25.940 You're right.

00:12:26.280 You're right.

00:12:26.860 Right.

00:12:27.080 So that wouldn't do it.

00:12:28.620 So but if you were to have a January 6th defendant charged with insurrection and convicted

00:12:34.620 of insurrection, the Supreme Court has basically said those people are not going to be president.

00:12:39.800 Correct.

00:12:40.760 So, you know, Dave, maybe if you go after a horn man or lectern guy, my two favorites for

00:12:47.500 presidents, you know, you could you could take them out with that statute.

00:12:51.100 Well, Megan, Mike, Mike is right that no one has been charged with insurrection.

00:12:56.040 They've been charged with a conspiracy, which is different.

00:12:58.940 But now, correct me if I'm wrong.

00:13:00.140 Mike, I the statute that says that insurrection is a crime contains a section that says you

00:13:06.300 cannot run again.

00:13:07.160 I thought that was what was in the 14th Amendment, Section three.

00:13:10.060 The statute actually prohibits you from running again if you violate that.

00:13:13.880 My head's starting to hurt.

00:13:15.520 Yeah.

00:13:15.780 Yeah.

00:13:15.900 So the insurrection or rebellion statute.

00:13:17.400 If you've lost me, you've definitely lost my audience.

00:13:19.100 Just give me the bottom line without doing in-depth statutory analysis.

00:13:23.320 I mean.

00:13:23.600 So if you want to disqualify for insurrection or rebellion, there is a statute on the books,

00:13:28.480 a federal criminal statute on the books right now.

00:13:31.920 The latest version was 1948.

00:13:33.940 It's been on the books for a long time.

00:13:35.420 You charge under insurrection or rebellion, and there is a disqualification provision in

00:13:41.020 that statute.

00:13:41.700 So if you're convicted of insurrection or rebellion under that statute, you are disqualified.

00:13:48.080 OK, but that hasn't happened to Donald Trump.

00:13:50.380 That's the operative point.

00:13:51.380 And while they could change the law going forward, there's zero chance that this House

00:13:55.960 controlled by the Republicans is going to be on board with that.

00:13:58.600 So for now, Trump is protected and not just for now, I mean, all the way through the election

00:14:03.640 and potentially, you know, up to January 6th when, you know, he's he's if he wins, he's

00:14:11.660 going to have the vote certified and so on.

00:14:13.460 All right.

00:14:14.080 So that's a very good thing for Donald Trump.

00:14:16.300 And it's very bad for people like Michael Ludig, Lawrence Tribe, who I mean, since this

00:14:22.740 idea came up and Ludig was one of the ones who did it, he was, you know, I mean, I think

00:14:26.920 it's fair to say he's a respected appellate court judge.

00:14:30.580 But this is a cockamamie idea.

00:14:32.960 And he was put on.

00:14:35.000 It's not like you see Michael Ludig all over cable news on a normal basis, but he was a

00:14:39.700 star on cable news.

00:14:41.680 Lawrence Tribe, he's been on MSNBC.

00:14:44.440 He's a very hardcore anti-Trump guy.

00:14:46.880 But here's just a flashback of some of the media and the experts embracing this wonderful

00:14:52.860 idea, which, as I point out, while they were split on just how far they went.

00:14:56.060 Nine out of nine did say states are not empowered by the 14th Amendment to remove alleged insurrectionists

00:15:04.620 from the ballot.

00:15:06.280 Watch this in side eight.

00:15:08.580 Colorado is executing its state's rights to decide who should be on their own ballot.

00:15:15.140 Grounded in the Constitution.

00:15:16.940 That language in the Constitution, Jim, simply could not be any clearer.

00:15:24.540 This is a slam dunk.

00:15:25.880 The former president is not eligible to be president again.

00:15:29.040 Trump incited and therefore engaged in an armed insurrection against the Constitution.

00:15:33.100 Trump is indeed ineligible to be president.

00:15:35.760 Donald Trump engaged in an insurrection against the Constitution.

00:15:39.400 Donald Trump cannot be president.

00:15:42.520 For under the Constitution, he cannot be our president again.

00:15:45.520 That engaging in insurrection has disqualified himself from holding any future federal office.

00:15:50.960 Will the Supreme Court agree with themselves?

00:15:53.000 We're confident the Supreme Court will reject that claim.

00:15:57.700 Or not.

00:15:59.360 That was courtesy of the Washington Free Beacon.

00:16:01.880 But for our audience, both guys are laughing.

00:16:05.240 Both lawyers are laughing.

00:16:07.020 It is kind of funny.

00:16:08.280 I mean, look, we'll see whether those experts now go back in and say, gee, even my side ruled

00:16:14.480 against me on the critical point.

00:16:16.180 I mean, Dave, it was a resounding defeat.

00:16:20.680 Yeah, boy, the hazards of videotape, you know, that it looks like me.

00:16:27.440 It looked like me when I said that the Supreme Court would deny cert in the absolute immunity

00:16:31.220 case, you know, so I've been there.

00:16:35.040 It's just there's no getting around it.

00:16:36.420 And that's that's because it really was cockamamie.

00:16:38.340 I mean, it was a real reach.

00:16:39.720 And I forget whether what I found.

00:16:42.240 I remember looking into Ludwig.

00:16:43.300 Like, he's I think he's more right leaning, but he's a never Trumper.

00:16:46.260 He's a never Trumper.

00:16:47.620 You have to when you look at the conservative leanings of these judges, Mike, you have to

00:16:52.100 figure out, OK, it's not enough just to say they're conservative and therefore I need to

00:16:55.840 take them seriously on an anti-Trump move.

00:16:57.840 You do have to figure out one step beyond that.

00:17:00.440 And I'm sorry to make it all boil down to politics.

00:17:02.580 But I mean, in this case, it does.

00:17:05.540 Yeah. 0.98

00:17:05.740 So Judge Michael Ludwig is a total goofball. 0.91

00:17:10.160 They he lost his mind when he got passed over for the Supreme Court by George W. 0.98

00:17:16.760 Bush.

00:17:17.080 I was in the White House at the time.

00:17:18.600 He got mad.

00:17:19.620 He resigned from the bench. 0.99

00:17:20.780 And he's just been a bitter, washed up loser for years and years and years. 0.94

00:17:28.620 Here I am defending the Federalist Society, ultra conservative judge, Judge Ludwig. 0.98

00:17:36.380 Look, here's the thing.

00:17:37.980 This wasn't a complete victory for Trump at the Supreme Court in that they did not address

00:17:42.860 the issue that Trump wanted them to address, which is whether or not he engaged in insurrection.

00:17:47.500 They left that to the lower courts. 0.90

00:17:49.600 And by doing that, the finding from the lower courts is that Trump did engage in insurrection.

00:17:54.800 So where Ludwig and others are coming from is that if you did engage in insurrection, the

00:17:59.180 plain meaning of the text of the 14th Amendment, Section 3 says you are disqualified for running

00:18:05.300 for office.

00:18:06.080 So that's where they came from.

00:18:07.380 But the Supreme Court decided to abandon their textualist roots, originalist roots, and decide

00:18:12.460 to rule on principles of federalism and just common sense that we don't want 50 states to

00:18:17.980 go in 50 different directions.

00:18:19.700 There would be chaos.

00:18:21.380 All right.

00:18:21.860 Here's a little sample of that point.

00:18:24.100 Not to lump you in with these people, Dave, from reacting to this decision.

00:18:28.440 And this is given to us by the Media Research Center.

00:18:32.100 Saw three.

00:18:32.500 Watch.

00:18:33.720 This is actually what I had been concerned about.

00:18:35.960 I had been concerned that should it go to the Supreme Court, they would rule this way.

00:18:40.360 I'd laugh if it weren't so sad.

00:18:42.440 My next guest says Donald Trump is still an oath-breaking insurrectionist.

00:18:46.120 The court itself may have overstepped.

00:18:48.640 The court went way further than it needed to go.

00:18:52.000 Our colleague Melissa Murray has called this Supreme Court the YOLO court.

00:18:55.920 The criticism of the court is that they're playing interference.

00:18:58.900 Not since Bush v. Gore have we seen a court that's had this many opportunities to interfere

00:19:04.180 in the election.

00:19:05.480 The headline here is that this is a unanimous ruling, but if you scratch the surface just

00:19:10.600 a little...

00:19:11.140 This is a five to four ruling.

00:19:12.700 I'm part of it.

00:19:13.480 This is actually a five to four decision.

00:19:16.960 It's five to four.

00:19:17.960 Trump will take this, spin it, spread the misinformation, disinformation on it.

00:19:22.460 You can't save the people from themselves.

00:19:24.520 Whatever happened to Larry Sabato?

00:19:27.900 Remember him, Mike Davis, back in the Fox days?

00:19:29.980 He was like a normal pollster that you could rely on for down the middle analysis.

00:19:34.020 Now he's gone hardcore, never Trump.

00:19:36.620 But look, I understand the five for argument for the reasons that we kicked the show off

00:19:41.240 with.

00:19:41.640 But on the core point, it was 9-0.

00:19:44.160 And I wonder whether these same people are going to be so disgusted with the court and

00:19:48.220 ready to dismantle it after the court is likely, Dave, to rule against Trump and his claims

00:19:56.040 that everything he did in office is immune from prosecution when we get that decision

00:19:59.940 in May or June.

00:20:01.840 They're going to rule against him on that, but they're going to drag their feet.

00:20:05.480 And that will infuriate my colleagues.

00:20:08.220 And I understand that, because if they continue to delay this matter, the trial in D.C. may

00:20:13.780 not ever happen.

00:20:15.000 So that's what they care most about.

00:20:16.600 What are you saying?

00:20:18.120 The only people who dragged their feet were Jack Smith and the Justice Department.

00:20:23.800 As soon as they filed the charges, Trump started to challenge it legally.

00:20:28.240 Now it's gone up.

00:20:29.660 Supreme Court took it.

00:20:30.700 They could have kicked it to next fall.

00:20:32.380 They didn't have to put it on this term, but they took it on this term.

00:20:34.980 They're not dragging anything.

00:20:37.440 Well, compared to what they did here in the Colorado case, Megan, where they expedited

00:20:41.080 matters to give just Trump a decision within weeks to make sure it was done before Super

00:20:45.180 Tuesday, where they even issued an opinion on a Monday, which was so rare.

00:20:49.380 And then you compare it to intervening in Jack Smith's case, where they first said, no, we're

00:20:54.540 not going to intervene in December.

00:20:56.300 No, no, no.

00:20:56.960 We're not going to get in and Bigfoot.

00:20:59.320 That's because Jack Smith was trying to skip the D.C.

00:21:02.900 Circuit Court of Appeals.

00:21:03.980 That's the only reason they said not yet.

00:21:05.460 They said, you got out of turn.

00:21:07.160 You got to go to the middle, guys, before you come to us, which, Mike, every Supreme

00:21:11.300 Court would most likely prefer, because then you get a whole decision with reasoning from

00:21:16.540 the lower court that you get to kick off the argument with.

00:21:19.520 It wasn't unusual at all for the court to say, slow down, Nellie. 0.94

00:21:23.540 You're going back.

00:21:24.660 You do it before this Court of Appeals, and then you come to us.

00:21:27.000 Well, yeah, I mean, of course they have to decide this Colorado disqualification case 0.51

00:21:32.420 as quickly as they can, because these states need to print ballots, right?

00:21:37.100 And they need to print ballots and figure out whether Trump is going to be on the ballots

00:21:40.660 or not going to be on the ballot.

00:21:42.280 On this presidential immunity, they are deciding this case in, like, warp speed.

00:21:46.980 They set this case for oral argument in April.

00:21:51.100 They're not allowing Trump to seek en banc review with the D.C. Circuit.

00:21:55.280 They're not waiting to hear oral argument in this case next fall or even next winter,

00:22:00.900 as they should.

00:22:01.660 That would be the normal course.

00:22:02.820 They're very much expediting this, and there's no need for them to expedite this because it's

00:22:07.720 not relevant to the election.

00:22:10.100 Whether Trump is on the ballot is relevant to the election.

00:22:13.180 Whether Trump has presidential immunity is not.

00:22:14.080 The Colorado elections today, right?

00:22:16.980 Yes, I mean, look, I would say this about presidential immunity.

00:22:20.920 I know you guys both disagree with me on this, but I seem to have a track record on this.

00:22:24.980 The Supreme Court is going to find that the president, any president, is immune from criminal

00:22:30.340 prosecution for his official acts.

00:22:32.700 Then the Supreme Court is going to remand this case to D.C. Obama Judge Tanya Shuckett to hold

00:22:37.780 an evidentiary hearing on what Trump allegedly did on January 6th that was in his official

00:22:43.560 acts, like, you know, he was going to fire his acting attorney general.

00:22:46.980 That sounds pretty presidential to me, versus in his personal capacity.

00:22:50.820 And then once they decide that, Trump can appeal that again, because you're dealing with

00:22:55.040 immunity.

00:22:55.880 And so the bottom line is, is that there's no chance this case is going to go to trial before

00:22:59.880 the election.

00:23:00.780 And I would say to these Democrats, boo-hoo.

00:23:03.540 You're going to actually have to vote for the president of the United States on November

00:23:08.840 5th, 2024, the old-fashioned way, instead of having your left-wing judges remove him from

00:23:14.980 the ballot or throw him in prison.

00:23:17.680 Here's, take a listen to Jim Acosta on CNN, talking about how sad this is and how Trump

00:23:25.620 gets, files all these appeals, delays everything, not like a normal person, even though everybody

00:23:34.620 in the United States who gets convicted or sued civilly and loses has the opportunity to

00:23:39.700 file an appeal, which Jim Acosta, he should familiarize himself with a lovely service known

00:23:44.720 as Google, or any of its competitors, which we're moving to now, because this is not a special

00:23:50.860 Trump thing.

00:23:51.380 This is called being an American thing.

00:23:53.300 Watch this.

00:23:54.440 Jim, what do you say to all those Americans out there who are watching this, who are frustrated

00:23:58.580 and say, you know, Trump is getting away with breaking the law, that he files appeal after

00:24:04.860 appeal.

00:24:05.400 He tries to delay every proceeding that's brought against him in a way that is just, it just

00:24:11.240 goes against what our judicial system should be about.

00:24:14.900 I mean, isn't he treated differently than just about everybody else in this country?

00:24:18.920 I mean, just about anybody else would not have.

00:24:21.380 The ability to appeal things until kingdom come.

00:24:26.260 Well, actually, they do have the ability to do that.

00:24:28.340 That's part of our justice system.

00:24:29.920 Well, for all practical purposes, it doesn't, that doesn't happen.

00:24:33.440 I mean, the vast majority of defendants out there don't have the, don't have the resources

00:24:37.300 to drag everything out in umpteen different cases across the country.

00:24:41.700 I mean, has he heard of public defenders?

00:24:50.000 I mean, I used to, I used to clerk for Judge Gorsuch on the 10th Circuit.

00:24:54.220 I used to clerk for Justice Gorsuch on the Supreme Court.

00:24:57.400 We heard appeal after appeal after appeal from rapists and murderers and carjackers and these

00:25:04.200 same Democrats who bemoan that, you know, Trump's not above the law.

00:25:08.580 They want Trump to be below the law.

00:25:10.540 They want him to not have any rights.

00:25:12.960 They just want to throw him in prison and bankrupt him and take him off the ballots after they

00:25:18.460 impeached him twice for nonsense because they fear American voters.

00:25:22.660 Why do Democrats fear American voters?

00:25:25.880 Why do they not want American voters to have a choice on November 5th, 2024?

00:25:32.900 I'll tell you why.

00:25:34.120 Keith Olbermann's going to explain it to you.

00:25:35.680 I know you were waiting to hear from him.

00:25:37.200 Here you go.

00:25:40.120 Of course, I'm respectable, says John Huston as Noah Cross in the movie Chinatown to Jack

00:25:46.460 Nicholson as Jake Giddes.

00:25:48.520 I'm old. 0.99

00:25:49.540 Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough. 1.00

00:25:56.900 And then there is what happens when you are all three of those things, as the Supreme 0.98

00:26:02.180 Court is all three of those things.

00:26:04.920 Politicians pretending to be justices working in an ugly building. 1.00

00:26:09.760 And as Trump relied upon and yesterday was proven correct, they are all whores. 1.00

00:26:15.460 And I have lots to say about the Supreme whores and what they have done and what they might 1.00

00:26:21.280 yet do, which, improbably enough, includes making Joe Biden into an instant American king. 0.94

00:26:27.060 Yet they are not the lead story.

00:26:29.880 The evidence is mounting that what Donald Trump is suffering from is something called

00:26:35.420 fluent aphasia.

00:26:38.040 There are two million Americans with aphasia, a kind of catch-all for a series of communication

00:26:44.920 disorders.

00:26:45.700 And obviously, this is a layman asserting this.

00:26:47.980 I could be wildly wrong.

00:26:52.820 Yes.

00:26:53.680 Some self-awareness at the end.

00:26:55.620 I'll give you the first crack on that one, Mike, because I see you laughing.

00:26:58.220 Well, I would say this.

00:27:00.440 I take offense to what he said about everything else he said was fine, but he said the Supreme

00:27:06.240 Court building was ugly.

00:27:07.580 And I take great offense to that because I think the Supreme Court building is beautiful.

00:27:11.660 I agree.

00:27:12.200 I agree with you.

00:27:12.800 We can all agree on that.

00:27:14.300 I know.

00:27:14.800 It's absolutely beautiful.

00:27:16.220 And the actual courtroom in which the justices sit is magnificent, has a bunch of history.

00:27:20.700 And who knows whether Keith Olbermann's actually ever dragged himself out of his cave to go

00:27:24.860 over and behold the majesty that is the Supreme Court building.

00:27:29.180 But whatever.

00:27:30.280 He's just fun.

00:27:31.060 He's just fun to listen to.

00:27:32.160 I'm not going to lie.

00:27:32.940 I'm kind of glad he's in the national conversation just because he's entertaining.

00:27:35.680 But literally nothing he says is right.

00:27:37.440 I mean, it's either offensive or wrong or both, which is why we go to him a fair amount.

00:27:42.960 OK, so it's done.

00:27:44.760 The insurrectionist thing is over.

00:27:47.160 And there's plenty more to discuss on the legal front.

00:27:50.000 All right.

00:27:50.300 Now, that brings me to I'm going to figure out what I want to do next.

00:27:54.860 OK, January 6th, that's the underlying case with Judge Chutkin.

00:28:01.040 This is actually getting very interesting.

00:28:03.660 So her entire proceeding is delayed.

00:28:07.620 It's frozen.

00:28:09.660 While SCOTUS, in a separate matter that we made a reference to, tries to decide whether

00:28:15.160 Trump is immune to that prosecution entirely.

00:28:18.960 So it's frozen.

00:28:19.680 She can't do anything on it.

00:28:20.700 And Politico comes out with an article called, entitled, The Enormous Pressures About to Land

00:28:27.880 on Judge Tanya Chutkin.

00:28:29.820 And in this piece, the author makes a reference to the fact that Jack Smith, who's both pursuing

00:28:38.420 the January 6th federal case against Trump and the Mar-a-Lago documents case against Trump

00:28:43.720 in Dave's jurisdiction, had an appearance before the Florida judge in the Mar-a-Lago case recently

00:28:51.840 and said to that judge, Aileen Cannon, there are no DOJ policies that prevent cases that

00:29:00.160 have already been charged from going to trial in the run up to the election, even if the

00:29:06.540 defendant is on the ballot.

00:29:09.780 All right.

00:29:10.020 Notwithstanding this, you know, supposed DOJ policy that they would not do anything to

00:29:14.480 interfere with an election within 60 days of the election.

00:29:16.920 They wouldn't charge a candidate.

00:29:18.260 They wouldn't do anything like that because they don't want to influence the vote.

00:29:21.540 Now they're saying to Judge Cannon, we're actually not going to follow that in this

00:29:29.960 case.

00:29:30.360 It doesn't apply because we charged him well before.

00:29:34.100 And so now there's real speculation about whether Judge Chutkin should go ahead with this

00:29:41.180 trial as soon as the U.S. Supreme Court gives it any sort of a green light, should rush it

00:29:46.940 to trial, in fact.

00:29:48.640 And the suggestion is that she could hold the trial only three to four days a week, leaving 0.96

00:29:55.080 Trump the remainder to travel the country and campaign.

00:29:58.260 Hold the trial on alternating weeks, allowing Trump to campaign in the weeks in between his

00:30:03.860 criminal trial in D.C.

00:30:05.520 Hold half day trial days, leaving Trump the remainder of the day to travel to closer states

00:30:12.600 right around Washington, D.C. and to campaign nationally through his media appearances.

00:30:20.500 And then the writer goes on and Kush Cardory to say, you know what?

00:30:25.560 The trial also does not need to even end before November, though that's far from ideal.

00:30:31.600 They can keep this thing rolling and potentially you could get him convicted even after he wins

00:30:42.200 and then he could be, I guess, kicked out, not certified.

00:30:49.540 I don't know what the end plan would be if they got his conviction between November and

00:30:53.520 January.

00:30:54.100 But my takeaway on this, I am coming back to you, Dave.

00:30:56.920 But let me just give this one to Mike first, too, is that these Democrats will stop at

00:31:02.640 nothing.

00:31:03.940 He can campaign in the afternoon in the states around Washington, D.C.

00:31:08.780 in October 2024.

00:31:11.880 Yeah, remember, they waited 30 months, 13 months to bring these charges.

00:31:17.840 And these are coordinated charges with the Biden White House and the Biden Justice Department.

00:31:23.220 I've given you specific names in each one of these cases where they're specifically coordinating.

00:31:29.040 You have Nathan Wade, for example, billing his time to meet with the Biden White House

00:31:32.860 and the Biden White House Council, right?

00:31:34.420 You have Matthew Colangelo going from the Biden Justice Department, the number three office,

00:31:39.700 to Alvin Bragg's office to bring the first indictment ever against a former president

00:31:44.520 and a likely future president.

00:31:45.900 You had Jonathan Suh, Biden's deputy White House counsel, waive Trump's claim of executive

00:31:52.000 privilege on behalf of President Biden.

00:31:54.500 So you have Biden's fingerprints on all four of these things.

00:31:57.320 You had Biden going out there, leaking that Garland was acting like a professor instead

00:32:02.040 of an attorney general.

00:32:03.340 And so then Garland moved forward.

00:32:04.960 And we have these four coordinated indictments and criminal charges against Trump.

00:32:10.080 And they've timed these trials back to back to back right during the 2024 presidential election

00:32:17.640 season.

00:32:18.020 And Jack Smith will probably convince D.C.

00:32:22.000 Obama Judge Tanya Shukkin that he can do this.

00:32:25.000 Maybe he'll convince Judge Cannon.

00:32:26.540 But here's the deal.

00:32:27.460 The legitimacy of the judicial system is on the line.

00:32:31.720 When the American people start paying attention and they see President Trump in a courtroom for

00:32:37.520 these bogus charges instead of on the campaign trail, this is not going to go well with the

00:32:42.440 American people.

00:32:43.300 And when when when the justice system loses its legitimacy with half of the American people,

00:32:49.340 they're going to lose a lot of their funding.

00:32:52.560 I mean, Dave, if this is the Democrats campaign strategy, this is the thing that Biden thinks will

00:33:01.260 win him the election that, as again, quoting here from Andy, who's making a reference to

00:33:08.340 Adam Liptack of The New York Times, outlining outlining the possible plan.

00:33:14.040 A felony trial of Trump on the January 6th charges before a hostile Washington jury pool

00:33:19.280 and an unfriendly Obama appointed judge beginning after Labor Day, running through Election

00:33:26.360 Day.

00:33:26.640 That is the Biden campaign strategy.

00:33:31.320 It's outrageous.

00:33:33.660 It could work, I guess.

00:33:36.580 Do we have a judge in Chutka and Judge Chutkin who would go along with this?

00:33:43.740 Megan, there is absolutely no evidence that Joe Biden has been pulling the strings on any

00:33:50.180 of this stuff.

00:33:50.720 Remember, he and I would agree is frustrated with Merrick Garland because Merrick Garland,

00:33:54.980 the one thing I will agree with what Mike said is that he slow walked a lot of this stuff.

00:33:58.620 He is timid, and I don't think he was the right pick for attorney general.

00:34:02.140 But he finally appointed a special prosecutor, and then it was on.

00:34:05.100 Remember, this is the same attorney general who's prosecuting Joe Biden's son, the same

00:34:09.860 guy who let Robert Hur become the special counsel, and then released this report bashing

00:34:14.280 Joe Biden's mental acuity.

00:34:16.200 And as far as the Department of Justice and this 60-day rule, there has never been a rule that

00:34:20.560 says you cannot try a case before the election.

00:34:22.880 Just ask Senator—well, he's not around anymore—Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.

00:34:27.120 He had a trial for his fraud claims, his criminal activity, in late September of the year where

00:34:34.680 he was up for re-election.

00:34:35.840 In fact, the jury gave a guilty verdict a week before Election Day.

00:34:40.360 So this has happened before.

00:34:41.920 It's not a surprise it's happening now.

00:34:43.520 And if anything, I got to tell you, I think the Supreme Court was dragging its feet.

00:34:48.800 I know we've talked about this, but one other thing about that, they didn't have to intervene

00:34:53.100 in this matter.

00:34:54.020 They didn't have to wait two weeks to then say, yeah, we're going to get involved.

00:34:56.680 And then when they did so, even after they granted cert, they didn't have to issue a

00:35:00.400 stay.

00:35:00.780 And then they could have had the oral argument like now, like in March.

00:35:04.260 It's all teed up.

00:35:05.120 You don't have to wait until the end of April.

00:35:07.020 So I look at it from a different perspective.

00:35:09.480 Not only is there no coordination between Biden and the prosecutors here, but it looks like the

00:35:14.320 Supreme Court has been intentionally dragging its feet to make sure justice is not served before the

00:35:18.760 election and voters don't get the information they need to make a rational choice.

00:35:24.260 I'm going to have to bust out my mother's cupboard again, aren't I, Dave?

00:35:28.340 Lack of planning on your part does not justify an emergency on my part.

00:35:31.720 She used to whip that thing open whenever I'd be like, mom, I need you to pick up my school

00:35:35.580 report and bring it.

00:35:36.380 I forgot it.

00:35:37.400 No, it's they dragged their feet.

00:35:39.360 Now it's not up to the Supreme Court to suddenly have to go faster than that aircraft carrier

00:35:43.680 normally goes.

00:35:45.260 It's just not how things work there.

00:35:47.180 But I will say Mike was nodding his head.

00:35:49.880 Yes.

00:35:50.360 Whether Judge Shutkin could actually help them engage in this strategy on J6.

00:35:55.340 But here's here's the thing I want to get back to.

00:36:00.480 Andy's saying, Mike, the DOJ pointing out even if Trump wins in November and and Mike Davis

00:36:07.660 is his AG elect, right?

00:36:10.280 The one that he's going to appoint.

00:36:11.780 You will not be in power until January 20th, 2025.

00:36:19.580 And he writes, remember, a president elect is in no position to dismiss anything.

00:36:25.740 There may be more than enough time between September and January to get Trump not only

00:36:31.060 convicted, but sentenced.

00:36:34.020 Jack Smith is banking on at least the former, the conviction.

00:36:36.980 And he'll push for the latter two if it's remotely attainable.

00:36:42.240 My God, so that he's positive.

00:36:44.380 I hadn't even considered this scenario, Mike, where Trump, where they do press forward on

00:36:50.600 J6 trial before Judge Shutkin after the Supreme Court rules if they allow this case to go forward

00:36:56.460 in any way.

00:36:57.380 And I realize the whole heart of that case may get gutted by another case that they're about

00:37:01.360 to hear, a Fisher, that's another matter, that they might put pedal to the metal, make him

00:37:07.740 do the half days or the four days a week, what have you.

00:37:10.420 He wins the election.

00:37:13.260 And between November 5th and January, they get a conviction and sentence him to prison.

00:37:21.960 What happens then?

00:37:23.900 Does anyone have any idea what happens then?

00:37:27.940 And that's that's why this Jack Smith is a scud missile that the Democrats send in.

00:37:33.280 And he is so reckless.

00:37:34.580 Remember, he was overturned nine to nothing when he brought his bogus corruption charges

00:37:39.180 against former Virginia governor Bob McDonnell, a likely presidential or vice presidential candidate.

00:37:45.100 And in 2016, he was able to win his conviction and destroy Bob McDonnell's political life and

00:37:52.580 personal life.

00:37:53.420 And then the Supreme Court, eight to nothing, reversed him in 2016.

00:37:58.120 It would have been nine to nothing.

00:37:59.300 But Justice Scalia passed away.

00:38:01.580 Right.

00:38:02.200 But that's exactly who Jack Smith was. 0.83

00:38:04.780 He got banished to The Hague because he is a partisan buffoon prosecutor.

00:38:09.820 And then Garland's brought him back as the scud missile to take out President Trump before 0.87

00:38:16.160 the election.

00:38:16.880 This is all about election interference.

00:38:20.240 They're not even hiding it anymore.

00:38:22.340 It's very blatant that what they're doing is they're trying to interfere in the election.

00:38:27.580 They don't care what the American people want. 0.92

00:38:30.140 They fear American voters.

00:38:32.080 And so they're trying to bankrupt, disqualify from the ballot and put Trump in prison because

00:38:38.860 they don't want the American people to put Trump back in the White House.

00:38:43.220 OK, Dave, I mean, I think the answer to my question is we don't know.

00:38:48.600 Right.

00:38:49.040 It's truly unprecedented to have an elected president elect get convicted of a felony and

00:38:56.180 be sentenced to jail after he's been elected.

00:38:59.520 But before he's been sworn in, like, I don't think we know we're on uncharted grounds here.

00:39:05.500 Are we not?

00:39:06.760 Agreed.

00:39:07.260 We don't know.

00:39:08.060 And I get asked that question all the time.

00:39:09.660 You can run for president from prison.

00:39:11.740 You could technically serve as president from prison.

00:39:15.820 What would be interesting if he is convicted and then he takes office, I assume there would

00:39:20.640 be a stay.

00:39:21.360 I assume there'd be an appeal and his sentence would be stayed.

00:39:25.220 And then he would go into the White House and then nothing would happen until after he's

00:39:29.800 out.

00:39:30.000 I think that's why he's running for president.

00:39:31.320 He can pardon himself.

00:39:32.520 Right.

00:39:32.740 Once he's sworn in, he can pardon himself.

00:39:35.060 Well, it's not clear whether that would stick.

00:39:37.280 He can try.

00:39:37.960 He could also resign temporarily under, I forgot which, Mike can help me, which amendment

00:39:42.280 where the vice president takes over briefly and then hards him in any, which one is it,

00:39:47.340 Mike?

00:39:47.920 25th.

00:39:48.880 There you go.

00:39:50.380 25th.

00:39:50.860 So that could happen.

00:39:53.240 But, you know, the reason why Donald Trump is running for president is because he realizes

00:39:57.280 this is the best way to escape all the legal liability swirling over his head and it may

00:40:01.860 just work.

00:40:04.220 So far it is working.

00:40:05.560 All right.

00:40:05.820 So there are other developments still going.

00:40:08.900 Some crazy ones out of New York, too.

00:40:10.400 I'm going to take a quick break and come back.

00:40:12.040 The legal news today is actually really interesting.

00:40:13.700 We haven't even gotten to Fannie.

00:40:15.080 We have to ask if our guys can stay just a little later.

00:40:17.280 We'll do that during the break.

00:40:18.180 Mike and Dave, stay with us.

00:40:19.040 One final point that we raised the other day, Andy raised it, too, in this piece, and I thought

00:40:27.240 it was important.

00:40:28.200 In the Florida case by you, Dave, they went in there, both sides, and said, okay, how about

00:40:33.300 a summer trial date?

00:40:35.040 The prosecution said we want July, I think July 8th.

00:40:38.080 And Team Trump said, no, that's too soon, but we could do August 12th.

00:40:44.060 And no one really thinks that case is going to go off on August 12th.

00:40:47.740 But the thinking is that what he was doing there was getting a placeholder on that case

00:40:54.600 so that Judge Chutkin over in D.C. and all the peril I just described there can't go anytime

00:41:00.900 soon because they're not going to make Trump sit for simultaneous criminal trials.

00:41:04.820 So one is going to have to go before another.

00:41:07.100 So Team Trump appears to have thought, okay, better to have that one on the calendar than

00:41:10.660 Judge Chutkin.

00:41:11.460 Let's keep her at arm's length. 1.00

00:41:12.960 But Annie makes the point that, well, the downside to this is Trump's lawyers have now

00:41:18.160 undermined their credibility to argue to Judge Chutkin that the Biden Department of Justice

00:41:23.780 must not be allowed to subject Trump to a criminal trial during the campaign stretch run.

00:41:30.960 So how could that manifest?

00:41:33.960 The judge, Judge Cannon and Mar-a-Lago would say, you know what, we're not doing it on August

00:41:38.020 12th.

00:41:38.920 I know that was we had a placeholder, but too much to go through.

00:41:41.680 So no.

00:41:42.520 And then suddenly this big, beautiful window of time opens up and Judge Chutkin says, I'm

00:41:46.960 back from my European vacation and I would love to do it.

00:41:50.320 And at that point, is he saying like Trump would be unable to argue, unable to argue, oh,

00:41:56.680 but it's not fair because he already agreed to in another jurisdiction.

00:42:00.640 It hurts his argument.

00:42:01.340 But Trump said that they can't do it before the election.

00:42:04.320 And then he was pushed by Judge Cannon to say, give us a date.

00:42:08.020 You got to give us a date.

00:42:08.900 So then they said, OK, August 12th, for the reasons that you and Andy had mentioned, they

00:42:13.260 thought it would block Judge Chutkin's future calendar.

00:42:17.340 But it is correct that now they can use that against him.

00:42:20.740 But when it comes to Judge Cannon, it won't matter.

00:42:23.740 That case is not happening before the election.

00:42:26.160 Judge Cannon is going to give in to Trump's demands to delay it.

00:42:29.340 Where it could come into play is, yes, with Judge Chutkin, when Trump says we can't do

00:42:33.540 it before right before the election, then Judge Chutkin says, ah, you gave them August.

00:42:38.080 So that is a real possibility.

00:42:39.780 And yes, she has said she's going to ditch her European vacation to come back and try

00:42:43.760 this case.

00:42:44.540 So kudos to her.

00:42:46.680 Sure.

00:42:47.240 She's like, this is vacation for me.

00:42:48.980 This is this is the happiest place on Earth, not Disneyland.

00:42:53.280 OK, let's jump to New York for a minute.

00:42:55.480 There are big updates today on Fannie.

00:42:57.000 I'm going to save it to the top of the hour via Katie Fang of MS.

00:43:02.440 Donald Trump has until later this week to post a ninety one point sixty three million

00:43:06.980 dollar bond to stay the execution of E.

00:43:10.320 Jean Carroll's judgment against him.

00:43:12.820 This is the civil case for first it was sexual assault.

00:43:15.780 And then the big judgment for it was for him allegedly defaming her.

00:43:19.820 And Newsweek says, of course, in New York, a person must pay a court cash bond that amounts

00:43:25.440 to one hundred and ten percent of the judgment.

00:43:27.000 To appeal the ruling of a civil case.

00:43:28.760 That's why it's more than the eighty three million that was ordered.

00:43:31.220 So he has to pay ninety one million dollars in bond to stay the execution of that civil

00:43:35.520 judgment against him as he tries to appeal this.

00:43:39.020 On Monday, Judge Lewis Kaplan said he would not reach a decision on Trump's motion to stay

00:43:44.940 the execution of this judgment.

00:43:46.720 But he will render a decision soon.

00:43:49.620 So, Mike, what does this mean?

00:43:52.080 Is Trump going to have to post this bond for ninety one million and is he then going to

00:43:57.440 have to post the bond for the half a billion dollar judgment that's been handed down against

00:44:03.780 him in the corporate fraud case against the smiling judge Engeron?

00:44:07.540 I mean, that's the problem.

00:44:09.380 I mean, so what is is Trump going to have to liquidate assets to pay the bonds on these bogus

00:44:15.740 judgments up in New York?

00:44:17.560 I mean, they changed the law in New York for this this nut job.

00:44:22.180 Gene Carroll's bogus claims against Trump.

00:44:25.840 I don't have any money, Gene Carroll.

00:44:27.180 So go ahead and try to say she's going to say she's going to go ahead.

00:44:30.920 Go ahead, sweetheart.

00:44:31.680 But, you know, here's the deal.

00:44:34.260 I mean, Trump's going to have to liquidate his assets.

00:44:37.720 He's going to have to post these bonds or they're going to go in and what, like take

00:44:40.540 over his buildings and do fire sales.

00:44:43.560 This is the again, this is part of the Democrat lawfare.

00:44:46.600 They're doing this on many fronts.

00:44:48.340 They're doing this on the disqualification front, the impeachment front, the four criminal

00:44:53.040 indictments.

00:44:53.600 They're trying to bankrupt him for non fraud.

00:44:55.660 They're trying to go after him for one hundred million dollars.

00:44:58.480 But Gene Carroll, this is lawfare and election interference.

00:45:01.220 And Democrats may be gleeful about this right now, but they're not going to be very gleeful

00:45:05.720 when Donald Trump essentially runs over their puppy with a lawnmower on November 5th,

00:45:10.940 2020, 40, goes back to the White House.

00:45:13.200 What an image.

00:45:14.900 That's a terrible image.

00:45:16.500 Terrible image.

00:45:17.880 Dave, I really am interested in this because when he tried to get the New York appeals court

00:45:23.260 to reduce the amount of bond he had to post in that half a billion dollar judgment against

00:45:28.920 him, the judge said no.

00:45:31.620 Now he's trying to get a larger panel of the appellate court to reconsider this, arguing that

00:45:38.500 it's an excessive fine under the Eighth Amendment, which prohibits cruel and unusual,

00:45:43.760 but also excessive fines.

00:45:45.960 And so far, these judges are all saying no, no, no.

00:45:51.500 Post the bond.

00:45:52.320 And the one judge said, on the $500 million, they said, we'll let you go get loans, all

00:45:58.140 right?

00:45:58.280 If you want loans, you can go get loans, because originally that crazy judge, Engrod, said you

00:46:02.720 can't even get a loan for this from any bank that even does business in New York, which

00:46:06.380 rules out every bank in the world.

00:46:08.380 And so they said, all right, you can get a loan.

00:46:10.080 But what's going to happen?

00:46:12.020 Because there's like a Wall Street Journal piece today really talking about how Letitia

00:46:16.080 James is threatening to seize his properties.

00:46:18.960 And while that's really not the state's first choice, because they don't know how to run

00:46:23.380 buildings or sell buildings, that what what else can they do?

00:46:30.000 That's that's their threat.

00:46:31.540 And if he doesn't post the bond, that that would have to be their next move.

00:46:36.340 Right.

00:46:36.900 I do think he'll get loans to pay off the bonds.

00:46:39.960 But you're correct, Megan.

00:46:41.960 This is a real threat to Donald Trump.

00:46:44.240 And he takes this very personally when you go after his finances.

00:46:46.640 But this is where his own rhetoric hurts him, because when he says how rich he is and he

00:46:51.300 has way more money than people know, yeah, the courts use that against him.

00:46:55.000 So a lot of this is his own braggadocio coming back to get the loans.

00:46:58.840 But how is he going to get the loans?

00:47:00.520 Because I understand he's got some money.

00:47:02.680 But if you're a bank and you see how leveraged he is right now to the tune of over a half a

00:47:08.140 billion, I can see you not wanting to loan anything to Donald Trump.

00:47:11.580 My own fear is like the Saudis are going to be like, hey, we'll do it. 1.00

00:47:16.520 And then he owes the Saudis, which we don't want in our future president. 0.99

00:47:21.860 That is a real concern.

00:47:23.380 That's something, Megan, that I think we can all agree on.

00:47:25.500 We do not want that.

00:47:26.920 Now, Trump does have an asset that could be blowing up financially, which is the true

00:47:32.640 social where he could be in line for a couple billion dollars.

00:47:35.600 So he could put that up as collateral.

00:47:37.700 So that's something that he could use to get a loan.

00:47:39.560 All right, that's better.

00:47:42.660 Mike, do you am I wrong to fear like China coming in and saying we can cover the 500 million 0.73

00:47:50.040 bucks?

00:47:50.500 Here you go.

00:47:51.700 Yeah, I mean, it would be very bad to have a president of the United States corrupted and

00:47:56.120 compromised by foreign loans and payments, you know, from China, Ukraine, from Russia,

00:48:02.220 from Kazakhstan, from Romania, every other trouble spot around the world. 1.00

00:48:05.820 I mean, I'd hate to see a president of the United States or his family members take any

00:48:09.920 money from these foreign countries.

00:48:11.920 Oh, wait.

00:48:12.640 Well, how about the Bidens in the Biden crime family?

00:48:16.920 OK, this would dwarf that on a massive scale, but I'm against it.

00:48:21.780 I want to go on record and say I'm against it for Biden.

00:48:24.100 I'm against it for Donald Trump, too.

00:48:25.560 I really hope this doesn't happen.

00:48:26.760 But this is kind of the position he's being placed in.

00:48:29.500 I mean, what would you do if you were Donald Trump?

00:48:31.540 Would you sell Trump Tower so Letitia James could get it just to give to these Democrats 0.57

00:48:38.140 in Albany who are busy taxing us to our eyeballs?

00:48:41.900 There's no victim who's going to get this money.

00:48:44.440 All right.

00:48:44.980 Stand by.

00:48:45.640 Fannie's next. 0.83

00:48:46.320 And there's two new witnesses in the case.

00:48:48.000 Don't go away.

00:48:52.440 Before we get to Fannie Willis, I've got to tell you, this has been reminding me of something.

00:48:56.260 I've made this reference before.

00:48:57.480 It's one of my favorite movies, and it should be one of everyone's favorite movies.

00:49:00.680 This Keith Olbermann little rap that he did today on the Supreme Court and that he did

00:49:06.420 last week on the Supreme Court.

00:49:07.800 Remember, here it is. 1.00

00:49:09.160 The conservatives on the Supreme Court are Trump's whores. 1.00

00:49:12.660 Chief Justice Roberts is a Trump whore and he can burn in hell. 1.00

00:49:17.080 And Justice Alito is a Trump whore and he can burn in hell. 1.00

00:49:21.020 And Justice Gorsuch is a self-contradicting Trump whore and he can burn in hell. 1.00

00:49:25.440 And Justice Kavanaugh is a drunken abuser Trump whore and he can burn in hell. 1.00

00:49:30.680 And Justice Barrett is a handmaid Trump whore and he can burn in hell. 1.00

00:49:37.840 Reminds me of Tommy Boy. 1.00

00:49:41.220 Stand by. 1.00

00:49:42.320 And that's when the whores come in. 1.00

00:49:44.720 There we go. 0.99

00:49:49.340 God bless Chris Farley.

00:49:51.420 God bless Chris Farley.

00:49:52.880 We can all agree on that.

00:49:54.260 He's obsessed.

00:49:55.000 The man's obsessed. 0.99

00:49:55.680 I'm just telling you there's some sort of a revelation in his constant focus on whores. 0.99

00:49:59.020 I'm just going to put it out there. 0.98

00:50:00.260 There's some sort of a revelation.

00:50:02.000 I leave it to the audience to figure out what that is.

00:50:04.320 OK.

00:50:04.960 On to Fannie Willis, where there is new news.

00:50:09.560 Not one, but two witnesses have now come forward to various defendants saying that they would

00:50:14.960 like to and are ready to testify.

00:50:17.800 They are both saying, shocker, Terrence Bradley is full of BS.

00:50:24.400 The lawyer who once represented Nathan Wade for a short time and was Nathan Wade's friend

00:50:28.840 and when he took the stand, notwithstanding all of his admissions to attorney Ashley Merchant

00:50:33.460 before he got to the stand about, yes, I know when it happened.

00:50:36.200 It was long before they said they were lovers.

00:50:38.900 It happened when she left the DA's office as a junior person and became a judge in 2019. 0.99

00:50:44.240 And then he gets on the stand and doesn't remember anything.

00:50:46.440 Two other people are like, he talked to me like that too.

00:50:50.020 He told me all the same secrets he told Ashley Merchant and went on and on and had great detail.

00:50:54.780 So it wasn't just the texts to Ashley.

00:50:57.500 All right.

00:50:58.020 Number one is a woman named Cindy Lee Yeager, who is not just some rando. 0.99

00:51:05.220 Cindy Lee Yeager is currently the co-chief deputy DA for Cobb County, the neighboring county.

00:51:11.800 This is Fulton County for Fannie. 1.00

00:51:13.000 But, you know, kind of next door.

00:51:14.940 This is the co-chief deputy DA.

00:51:17.000 So this person also has an obligation of candor for the court to the court, and she's apparently

00:51:21.980 ready to take the stand if the judge, because he's still considering whether he will reopen

00:51:25.480 the evidence or whether he even needs to reopen the evidence.

00:51:28.960 And she says from August of 23 through January of 24.

00:51:33.820 All right.

00:51:33.980 So basically this past fall, that's the same time Ashley Merchant was talking to Terrence

00:51:37.500 Bradley, that she had numerous conversations with Bradley as well, in which he was talking

00:51:43.840 about his favorite subject, Willis and Wade, in their romance.

00:51:47.740 According to the filing, he told Ms. Yeager that relationship began, see if this sounds

00:51:53.100 familiar, guys, around the time that Willis and Wade met at a judicial conference in 2019.

00:51:59.380 Wade, quote, had definitively begun a romantic relationship with Ms. Willis during the time that

00:52:06.340 Ms. Willis was running for DA, which is 2019 to 2020.

00:52:11.100 Mr. Bradley stated that he had personal knowledge of this relationship and included details regarding

00:52:17.820 Mr. Wade's use of Robin or Ms. Willis's use of Robin Urte's apartment and other meetings

00:52:25.580 between the two of them prior to November of 2021, which is when he filed for divorce and

00:52:31.040 got hired by Fannie. 0.56

00:52:32.080 Mr. Bradley told Cindy Lee Yeager, she alleges, again, this is an officer of the court saying

00:52:39.660 this, that Mr. Wade personally prepared his own divorce complaint against his spouse and

00:52:44.140 told Terrence Bradley, you just signed the divorce filings and filed them, suggesting that the

00:52:49.580 actual attorney-client relationship did not begin until around November of 2021 and not

00:52:56.840 back in 18, as Terrence Bradley testified. And they say, based upon these statements,

00:53:03.920 it is Ms. Yeager's understanding that Mr. Bradley did not begin representing Mr. Wade until November

00:53:08.440 of 2021. All right, now, just going to give you the second thing. This happened this morning,

00:53:16.920 moments ago. Another person has come forward, another officer of the court. His name is attorney

00:53:21.840 Manny Arora, former adjunct professor at Georgia State School of Law. Apparently he's a friend of

00:53:29.020 Terrence Bradley's. Terrence Bradley, he talks a lot. He spoke to Terrence Bradley, says Manny,

00:53:37.740 and he's willing to testify that Terrence Bradley, same time period, September, October,

00:53:44.280 2023, this past fall, regarding the relationship between Willis and Wade. Aurora claims that Terrence

00:53:49.540 Bradley told him the relationship began when Willis was running for DA in 2019 through 2020,

00:53:55.560 that Bradley had personal knowledge of the relationship, including details regarding the

00:54:00.400 use of Robin Urti's apartment. That's exactly what the other one said. Personal knowledge,

00:54:05.460 including the use of Robin Urti's apartment. And he adds that Mr. Wade, this is what this guy learned

00:54:12.200 from Terrence Bradley, had a garage door opener to the property. This rung a bell with us because

00:54:20.140 Ashley Merchant, I think, was also told this by Terrence Bradley because she raised it when he was on

00:54:25.080 the stand. We pulled the saw. Watch. Do you recall that he had a garage door opener to either a house

00:54:32.540 or a condo or something like that of Ms. Willis's?

00:54:35.640 I've never seen a garage door opener. So no, I do not have any personal knowledge of him having

00:54:45.000 a garage door opener. Do you have any knowledge at all from Mr. Wade or any source that he had a

00:54:52.000 garage door opener to access one of Ms. Willis's residents? And I'll object to any source as to

00:54:57.460 hearsay. All right. Depends on the source. Overruled. No, not. No, I don't have any knowledge.

00:55:05.640 Well, it's clear that Ashley Merchant got that from somewhere. It appears to have been him. But

00:55:12.000 for sure, we've got a lawyer named Manny Aurora who's willing to take the stand and say,

00:55:17.680 he told me, Terrence Bradley told me Mr. Wade had a garage opener to that property. And again,

00:55:25.300 we have another witness, a DA, saying he told me that they were having an affair at that time

00:55:30.400 and had details about the use of her apartment and other meetings. I mean,

00:55:34.600 a little butterball turkey. The thing has popped out. It's done. It's done. Dave,

00:55:42.600 is it done? How many witnesses have to come forward to put the lie to this?

00:55:48.400 It's only done if they had firsthand information. What they're doing is just,

00:55:51.800 again, saying that Terrence Bradley lied on the stand. He was out there saying things and he has

00:55:57.520 clearly loose lips. And then when he got in the stand, he said, well, I was just speculating.

00:56:01.000 So I think that's what would happen here. He'd get put on the stand. He'd say, I was just speculating.

00:56:05.220 I was talking trash. And so I don't think that moves the needle as much as something else,

00:56:09.940 Megan, that you may have seen where the first witness, Yeager, said that she heard

00:56:15.240 Bonnie Wilson's voice on a phone call to Bradley talking. And that would, right, that would contradict

00:56:21.320 actually. Yeah, that I think is a bigger deal than this. This to me, Megan, because it's not

00:56:26.340 firsthand information, does not move the needle. And I don't think that the judge is going to

00:56:30.180 reopen it just for this. It's that other thing, which we'll talk about, which may be a bigger

00:56:33.920 problem. I'll just fill it in now. This first witness, this assistant deputy DA in Cobb County

00:56:42.580 is willing to take the stand and tell this judge under oath that Fannie Willis was calling Terrence

00:56:48.740 Bradley when Bradley was visiting Yeager in September. So Bradley was with Yeager and he got a phone call

00:56:55.240 from Fannie. And she was calling Bradley in response to an article that was published about

00:56:59.680 how much money Nathan Wade and his law partners had been paid in the case. She was mad because the

00:57:04.100 press was going off about how well compensated this one guy was with no relevant experience in

00:57:10.900 prosecuting RICO felonies and so on. And Ms. Yeager personally heard DA Willis tell Terrence Bradley,

00:57:19.300 quote, they are coming after us. You don't need to talk to them about anything about us.

00:57:28.040 Us. An obvious reference to Fannie and Nathan. Mike, all of this undercuts Terrence Bradley trying

00:57:36.920 to claim he knew nothing on that stand. And of course, the underlying under oath assertions

00:57:42.360 by Willis and Wade about their affair.

00:57:44.260 Yeah, I mean, this is a train wreck. And I would say about this Terrence Bradley,

00:57:49.700 look, he's a lawyer. He was a law partner with Nathan Wade. Why is he running his mate? Look,

00:57:56.440 why is he running his mouth? Just keep your damn mouth shut. Even if it's not exactly an attorney 1.00

00:58:01.840 client relationship or may or may not be. If you're a law partner, if you're a previous lawyer,

00:58:09.220 future lawyer, just keep your damn mouth shut. Why is he running his mouth to all these people? 1.00

00:58:13.820 It's just that makes me not like him at all.

00:58:17.380 I know why. I don't know. This is my opinion is he's mad. He got pushed out of the firm

00:58:23.280 over allegations of sexual assault that he denies. So he doesn't have. And then he got that's when

00:58:30.160 his relationship with Nathan Wade, at least as a lawyer, ended. He testified. And that was,

00:58:35.240 I think, summer of 2022 or maybe September of 2022. So he's probably pissed off a little that

00:58:42.680 not only did they push him out of the firm, but he got accused of being a terrible person of like

00:58:47.100 sexual assault again, which he denied on the stand. And so while it appears they had some

00:58:53.260 contact going forward, it wasn't particularly close. He denied that he had any contact. But

00:58:57.440 now we had this guy calling Ashley merchant, leaving the voicemail saying I served them having

00:59:02.320 lunch together a couple of weeks ago. So Nathan Wade and Terrence Bradley, and that I know these

00:59:07.940 players, I knew exactly who it was. And I introduced myself and like just all the bricks are falling

00:59:13.780 out of this wall for Terrence Bradley. And why? Because he's embarrassed that he did blab 0.99

00:59:19.960 inappropriately on a friend and worse potentially on a client, but he did blab and it's out there.

00:59:25.300 And for better or for the worse, I don't know. You tell me the judge is a human. There's no

00:59:29.960 sequester order on him and media, Dave. So he's going to know this and he's got to review these

00:59:35.840 motions to see whether he's going to allow these people to testify.

00:59:38.940 Right. I agree with everything you and Mike said about Terrence Bradley. Remember when

00:59:44.520 Bonnie Willis's lawyers went after him, we didn't understand why. So why go after your own witness?

00:59:48.880 He's given your side, whatever you wanted. But now we know that because I guess they anticipate all

00:59:55.220 this stuff coming out. And the fact is he did have a bad breakup with Nathan Wade. And so, yeah,

01:00:01.120 this is something the judge is aware of. The judge may have already made up his mind and this doesn't

01:00:05.100 matter. But if the judge has not, or if he's ruling for Bonnie Willis, then he's more likely

01:00:10.060 to allow this to come in. I still believe the only thing that really is relevant here is that

01:00:15.540 conversation that that Yeager heard herself of Bonnie Willis's voice talking to Terrence Bradley.

01:00:23.200 I'm just going to say, Mike, how do you speculate that he has a garage door opener that he uses to

01:00:31.400 access this apartment owned by Robin Yurty, where he's visiting? That's quite a speculation.

01:00:37.360 And very specific, a very specific speculation. I mean, this case is a mess. I don't know if Dave

01:00:44.380 is with me now that this case, they should absolutely get disqualified from this case. And

01:00:49.280 this case should be dismissed with a new prosecutor brought in because it is so corrupted. I would say

01:00:55.960 to the Democrats, why would you use these corrupt lying buffoons as your front people for the law 0.98

01:01:04.480 fair against a former and likely future president of the United States? If you're going to run law 0.98

01:01:10.120 fair in 2028, pick better people next time. I think that's good advice. That's free legal advice.

01:01:16.880 I agree with that. And I want to tell the audience again tomorrow at 9 a.m., Ashley Merchant will be

01:01:21.040 taking the stand in front of the Georgia Senate committee that's investigating this. They've

01:01:26.620 subpoenaed her and all of the texts between Ashley Merchant and Terrence Bradley. They've already

01:01:32.160 interviewed what they say are whistleblowers in this case, though we don't know anything more

01:01:36.500 about that. So we're expecting to learn a fact or two directly from Ashley Merchant tomorrow when

01:01:42.540 interestingly, she takes the stand. All the lawyers are taking it pretty soon. Dave and Mike are going

01:01:47.060 to have to take the stand and I'm going to take the stand. We're all going to be, but we'll tell

01:01:50.920 the truth. Guys, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Megan. All right. When we

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01:03:10.580 It is one of the great mysteries in media. Where in the world is Matt Drudge? Despite being named one

01:03:20.160 of the most influential names in journalism, Matt Drudge has all but disappeared from the public eye.

01:03:27.360 His website Drudge Report is still going strong, but is he even behind it anymore? And why did he

01:03:34.660 turn so hard against Trump in 2020 after having been pretty openly supportive of him in 2016?

01:03:42.040 All of these questions have led to a fascinating new podcast called Finding Matt Drudge. The host

01:03:48.340 and producer, Chris Moody and Jamie Weinstein join me now. Welcome to the show, Chris and Jamie. Great

01:03:54.820 to have you. Thank you for having us. Great to be here. Jamie, great to see you again. What a fun idea

01:04:01.220 for a podcast. He really is this enigmatic guy who no one ever sees. I've seen him one time. I have

01:04:10.860 had one in-person interaction with Matt Drudge. He was in the Fox News green room. And he likes it that

01:04:17.820 way. It's not just because he's looking to stir up buzz about him. He really is reclusive. And so talk

01:04:24.880 to me about how you got this idea. Well, it was in the middle of a pandemic. We're looking for

01:04:31.600 something to do. So my wife and I, we started a little production company. And this was the first

01:04:36.200 idea I had, in part because Matt Drudge obviously wields influence and has for over 25 years helped

01:04:43.340 shape the media narrative. But there's also a mystery to it, as you mentioned. There are questions that

01:04:48.340 people still don't know. They don't know why Matt Drudge became increasingly reclusive over the years.

01:04:53.080 ended his radio show, stopped going to the White House correspondence dinner,

01:04:56.920 basically disappeared from public life for the last decade. They also don't know why he turned

01:05:03.600 against Donald Trump after pretty heavily going all in for Trump. And as we show in our podcast,

01:05:10.160 visiting the White House after Donald Trump was elected. And there's even speculation. There was an

01:05:15.660 article a couple of years ago, and some of the people that Chris talks to on the show still think

01:05:20.580 perhaps he doesn't even run the site anymore. So there's these mysterious questions surrounding

01:05:26.040 him. He's obviously a person of great influence. We thought that combination made for a pretty

01:05:31.220 interesting show. And that's why we went and did it. Totally. Absolutely. It does. Just so people

01:05:39.240 know, I don't know if the audience is familiar with the Drudge Report. They must be, because it's one of

01:05:42.660 the biggest sites online. He doesn't like it when you call it a blog. It aggregates stories. And it

01:05:50.260 could basically be the newsroom, you know, the sort of editorial hub for Fox News for many years or for

01:05:57.660 other right-leaning publications. He has enormous power in conservative circles and beyond. Yes,

01:06:03.180 my team is telling me that in the media-ite power rankings this year, okay, I was number four,

01:06:10.220 they're telling me, and Matt Dredger's number five. So he's a power, very, very powerful,

01:06:13.840 very clearly. But he legit is. And you went back- And Megan, can I just add? Yeah. He's five now,

01:06:21.580 and that's at when people are saying his power has ebbed. You know, he's not at its height. So,

01:06:27.020 you know, even after 26 years- I think that's true.

01:06:29.500 He is still in the top five of the media-ite power rankings, which shows just how powerful he must

01:06:35.460 have been at his very height. Yeah. I mean, truly, when I was at Fox News, you did not start

01:06:41.060 your day without going to the Dredge Report. You just- it wasn't done. And then you could see over

01:06:45.440 the years him change, for sure, his feelings about Trump changed. And I don't know if you guys noticed

01:06:50.020 this, and we have all sorts of fun thoughts from your podcast that we're going to play, but

01:06:52.900 my own impression was he was very much behind Trump in 16. And then during the Trump presidency,

01:06:58.620 he was- to me, as a reporter, it was very clear that Ivanka and Jared were his two best sources,

01:07:06.680 because every other day, we'd see some glowing picture of Ivanka or some great piece about Jared,

01:07:14.800 who were getting hit by all the other media. And so, you know, you can kind of tell as a reporter

01:07:18.620 who a guy's sources are when that happens. And then suddenly, bupkis. Like, 2020 came around,

01:07:24.120 his coverage on Trump changed, even in Jared and Ivanka got ignored, Chris. And what was it?

01:07:29.680 Did you guys figure out why? Why did he turn on Trump? Well, we should emphasize how important

01:07:35.320 the Dredge Report was to the Trump campaign. Trump had been courting Dredge even since 2015,

01:07:42.020 actually, even a few years before that, where he would leak things to Dredge through certain

01:07:47.280 spokespeople. On election night, Bannon and Jared Kushner called Dredge on the phone for advice

01:07:56.220 for what to do with the exit polls coming out, showing that Trump wasn't doing very well.

01:08:01.260 And Dredge told them, said, you know, hold the line. Those are BS polls. Trump is going to win.

01:08:07.260 And then in the aftermath, of course, Dredge was visiting the White House and was speaking with

01:08:12.480 the president and his staff quite often. People saw him there certainly more than once. So he was

01:08:18.400 a part of that in more cases than just somebody influential in the media. Now, the reasons that

01:08:25.400 he turned on Trump, there's a lot of different speculation. But what we've heard from the Trump

01:08:31.900 White House is that there was talk of Dredge not being happy with Trump on immigration. That was a

01:08:39.240 certain policy reason. But we also have an interview coming out very, very soon with a former

01:08:44.120 Dredge Report editor named Joseph Curl, who talks about how members of the Trump White House spoke

01:08:51.280 negatively about Dredge and it got back to him, kind of took him for granted, said things kind of like,

01:08:57.440 well, who needs Dredge? Who needs a blogger? That kind of talk. And, you know, Dredge has ears

01:09:03.300 everywhere. He hears things. If you say something about him, he will notice it. And that got back to him.

01:09:09.060 And so it could have been a little bit of policy, could have been a little bit personal. But it

01:09:13.340 certainly was a mix that made him turn against Trump in the end. I believe the immigration thing,

01:09:21.020 because one thing I think we know is that he's good friends with Ann Coulter. And Ann Coulter,

01:09:29.220 of course, everybody now knows, has completely turned on Trump. And it's I mean, if ever there

01:09:33.720 were a single issue voter, it's Ann on immigration, she's it's she's devoted her life to this issue.

01:09:40.400 And God, she's been proven right every day on her forecasts. And I think she and she has Mickey

01:09:47.920 Kaus on all the time. I enjoy her her substack and her submissions. But I think she and Mickey Kaus and

01:09:54.040 Drudge share this one issue as a true passion. So it would make sense because she was an ardent

01:10:01.760 supporter of Trump's. And what soured her on him? It was he didn't build a wall. And even though he did

01:10:07.720 more certainly than Biden has done on immigration, he didn't really get it done. As as we can see,

01:10:12.480 everything he got done got undone as soon as he left office. Well, Megan, just to to follow up on that,

01:10:18.660 we actually have an interview with Mickey Kaus, who hasn't aired yet, where he talks about a dinner

01:10:24.020 that Ann Drudge he and he had after one of the debates in 2016. So there's definitely a nexus.

01:10:31.920 He's not a stranger to Drudge either. So, you know, that that is certainly part of it. But let me just

01:10:36.860 add one more thing that I think we heard to to what Chris said about why he turned on Drudge. I think

01:10:42.060 those two are crucial. The third is, I think people mistake Drudge for a partisan kind of Republican

01:10:47.900 party operative sometimes. And he's not that he likes to be different than what people think.

01:10:54.000 There's a there's a clip from him on C-SPAN. And in 2000, 1999, talking about Pat Buchanan ending

01:10:59.520 the race saying, oh, this would be interesting. I think he always wants to be interesting. I think

01:11:03.680 he wants to go against the grain sometimes. And, you know, after supporting Trump, what's more against

01:11:07.660 the grain than turning around and showing that he's his own man and doesn't necessarily need to follow

01:11:11.980 Trump and do the same thing four years later. So the podcast gets into his beginnings. And I

01:11:16.800 didn't I didn't know any of this, but he apparently worked at CBS News for a time, always loved media,

01:11:22.400 always loved news, even as a kid, grew up in the Maryland area and got gets a job at CBS News and

01:11:29.320 starts pulling things out of the garbage ratings. And you have a bit of that. You have a clip of the

01:11:35.520 actual Drudge. Here's a clip for our audience from your podcast of you, Chris, introducing the clip.

01:11:41.640 And here's a clip. Watch. Drudge started finding that CBS staffers were tossing television rating

01:11:47.740 numbers in the trash before they were made public. He went out and dug them out. Here he is telling

01:11:54.660 the story during a speech in 1998. Overhearing, listening to careful conversations, intercepting

01:12:04.220 the occasional memo would volunteer in the mailroom from time to time. I hit pay dirt when I discovered

01:12:10.820 that the trash cans in the Xerox room at Television City were stuffed each morning with overnight Nielsen

01:12:15.960 ratings, information gold. And it wasn't CBS News. It was the Price is Right, right? Price is Right,

01:12:22.720 where he worked for a time. So fascinating. So just put some meat on those bones, Chris.

01:12:28.540 Well, Drudge knew a story when he saw it. You mentioned that he grew up in Maryland,

01:12:32.800 right outside of Washington, D.C., in the shadow of the great institution that was the Washington Post.

01:12:38.660 And I think he idealized it quite a bit and wanted to be part of an institution like that.

01:12:44.800 But due to, I think you could argue, educational or class differences, he never really was welcomed

01:12:50.580 into that club. And I think he always carried that with him, that he wasn't part of them.

01:12:55.980 So going out to California, right at the advent of the internet, he's using what we would see now as

01:13:01.120 a primitive computer in his apartment. This is the moment when the gatekeepers really started coming

01:13:07.480 down. And a 20-something, like Matt Drudge, could dig something out of the trash and then wouldn't

01:13:12.700 have to get permission from an editor. He could post it on his own, on his own terms, on his own

01:13:19.240 website. And that is the key change. And it was in those seeds at CBS that we saw his greatest scoop

01:13:26.360 that really launched him just a couple of years later, when Newsweek magazine had some details of

01:13:32.400 the Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky scandal and then paused on publishing it. Well, Matt Drudge got a

01:13:38.560 hold of it and published it real quick right on his website and brushed the news media very quickly

01:13:44.960 into the internet age, realizing that anyone could scoop these institutions all of a sudden.

01:13:50.620 And I believe that clip that you played was when Drudge, after releasing the Monica Lewinsky story

01:13:56.240 details, going back to Washington and speaking at the National Press Club, surrounded by the people

01:14:04.100 who I think he would argue in his mind, rejected him and saying, hey, I scooped you and now things

01:14:09.680 are changing. And that was the start of it all. And now he scoops them all the time. I mean,

01:14:15.160 you know, it's wonderful when you get a clip on the Drudge Report or a link to your, you know,

01:14:20.720 something you've done because your volume of hits just goes through the roof. That's the

01:14:24.880 power of his reach. But yeah, the Monica Lewinsky thing is huge. We'll, we'll get to that in one 0.51

01:14:29.420 second. Um, where he lives, how to find him, how to actually lay eyes on him is weirdly a huge

01:14:38.880 mystery. He doesn't want attention. And, um, you, you talk about in episode two, this moment, Chris,

01:14:47.260 where you're at the Palm restaurant in Washington, DC. And to me, it's like Kaiser Soze, you know, like

01:14:53.360 you just, you almost had a, but no, what happened? Well, Jamie had gone into the restaurant for

01:15:02.440 dinner and the maitre d' rushed up to him and said, you won't believe who was just here. And

01:15:07.480 Jamie says, hi, who, you know, somebody famous. And he says, Matt Drudge. Now it is remarkable that

01:15:13.020 a maitre d' would be so excited to see somebody because they see celebrities at the Palm all the

01:15:17.160 time. But Matt Drudge is someone so elusive, so mysterious that he's worth gossiping about and

01:15:22.400 talking about. And the maitre d' spoke to us, uh, on the podcast, but it's, it is, it did drive us a

01:15:27.720 little crazy that we had started this project and we almost had them by I think 10 to 15 minutes.

01:15:33.180 Uh, Drudge also, I want to say came into the door, didn't see anybody at the front, just kind of slipped

01:15:38.560 in quietly, had a drink at the bar. Uh, people noticed him. They Googled his face. They said,

01:15:43.180 I can't believe it's him. And then before they could turn back around, he was gone. This is really

01:15:48.600 emblematic of how he operates. He appears in Washington or he appears in a place and then

01:15:54.060 he just disappears on his own terms. Uh, you can never really nail him down. You mentioned how

01:15:59.760 elusive he's been. The guy hasn't been photographed, I believe in over a decade. Uh, when we spoke to

01:16:04.980 Joseph Curl, who was his staffer for four years at their exit meeting, before he left the company,

01:16:10.700 Joe Curl said, Hey brother, can we get a photo together? And Drudge said, absolutely not. And he's

01:16:15.580 never spoken to him again. And that's Matt Drudge. I love it. And he's always got the fedora on,

01:16:21.840 you know, which is kind of interesting because that is a tell that. Well, he always does Megan,

01:16:25.660 unless he wants to be recognized, takes that thing off. And he's just a guy walking around town and

01:16:31.140 people don't recognize him. It's, it's kind of like Batman's mask. You know, you wouldn't know

01:16:35.580 it's Batman if he took it off that the fedora in a way is his mask. So one of the people you talk to

01:16:41.900 about Drudge was Tucker Carlson, who's of course been in conservative circles, media circles for

01:16:48.180 his entire adult life. And actually before then, um, even when I was a kid, his dad worked in the

01:16:52.260 media. So that this is a fascinating story and I'll play the audience a little clip. You should

01:16:57.440 definitely download the podcast so you can hear the full story. Um, again, finding Matt Drudge,

01:17:02.200 here it is from episode one. I remember having one conversation with him. We were talking about,

01:17:08.220 I was always been fascinated by, you know, who is he personally? And somebody once said to me that

01:17:12.640 he had bought a bunch, maybe Breitbart, I think told me that he had bought a bunch of land in Miami

01:17:17.660 Dade, but kind of on the outskirts far from Miami and had built a sort of doomsday compound. And for

01:17:24.580 the record, I'm not against doomsday compounds at all. I don't think that's a crazy thing to do

01:17:28.760 in the slightest. I think it's an admirable thing to do. So I wasn't mocking him, but I asked about it

01:17:33.980 and he became so emotional and burst into tears and started yelling at me. And I was going to

01:17:39.960 betray him and tell people about his compound. I suppose he was right because now I am a lot of

01:17:46.120 people in the media business really want to be famous. In fact, it's the rule rather than the

01:17:50.480 exception. And here was a guy at the center of the media business at the top of it who didn't want any

01:17:56.260 attention personally. Okay. So you actually followed up on the alleged compound and you've

01:18:05.060 got a story in the podcast about someone who actually in 2020 found it, went onto the property,

01:18:13.540 which already seems scary to me. You're like, it's somebody who doesn't want you there. And yet

01:18:19.040 he did it. So what, what tell us about that? There was a reporter named Bob Norman who was working

01:18:23.920 on a story about why Drudge turned against Trump in 2020. And as a good reporter, he couldn't get

01:18:30.140 comment over the phone or over email. So he drove over to Drudge's house. He assumed there'd be a

01:18:35.020 big gate. Maybe he'd leave a note and the gate was wide open. So in drives Bob Norman, right to

01:18:41.280 Matt Drudge's front door. He steps out, knocks on the door, no answer. Then, so he gets up and he leaves

01:18:49.080 not long after his telephone rings and who is it, but Matt Drudge. And he is furious. Couldn't believe

01:18:55.340 that this reporter would come onto his property, said he was going to call the police, uh, said,

01:19:00.500 you know, you were brave for doing this. You could have been shot. Something could have happened to

01:19:03.700 you, you know, that kind of thing. Um, and, uh, what the reporter noted was that Drudge, you know,

01:19:10.940 he said it was about a 30 minute phone conversation. Wouldn't stop ranting about him coming on his

01:19:16.760 property. Every time he tried to turn the conversation back to an interview about the

01:19:20.720 story he's writing, Drudge would just come right back around. And he actually exasperated the

01:19:25.960 reporter so much that he just said, please just stop. Um, now we did our own. It's interesting.

01:19:32.580 I have to tell you what's interesting about this to me is the more I live and the more I, I meet very

01:19:38.080 successful people, you know, whether they're extremely talented or they're extremely hardworking

01:19:42.200 or whatever, or they've made a bunch of money and doing something. The more I realized that

01:19:46.760 these people tend to come in very interesting and complex packages. Yeah. And in, in many of the

01:19:52.940 cases, and I don't mean this pejoratively, but they're a little off socially, you know, I honestly,

01:19:59.180 I could say the same about myself. I definitely have social anxiety and I'm constantly a bull in

01:20:03.060 a China shop and saying the wrong thing, but I just think not to say I'm this brilliant person.

01:20:07.380 I'm just saying like, I can relate to, you might be very strong at one thing and like kind of not so

01:20:13.000 strong at another. And he's that to the extreme, right? He started this with no support, no

01:20:18.020 connections, just this sort of aggregated news source. And then he's for all these years been

01:20:24.420 so incredibly powerful to this day. I check the Drudge report every morning. And I love that you're

01:20:28.720 looking into whether it's still Matt behind it, because I have wondered and you, you know,

01:20:32.780 and you actually conclude it's him that like, we'll know when Matt Drudge is no longer interested in

01:20:38.000 doing this. How will we know, Jamie? Well, Chris interviews some people that were at

01:20:44.160 Andrew Breitbart's funeral. And of course, Andrew helped edit the Drudge report when Drudge needed

01:20:50.720 someone to stand in for him back in the very beginning. And Drudge shows up and the, the,

01:20:56.640 some of the, the Breitbart staffers there who were just about to launch actually Breitbart's website

01:21:01.780 talk to him and they say, you know, he, well, he asked them actually, he goes, what are you going

01:21:09.820 to call the website now? And they go, well, we're going to call it Breitbart. He goes, really?

01:21:15.000 You're going to call it Breitbart, but Breitbart's past. He goes, yeah, but we want to honor Andrew

01:21:19.140 Breitbart. That's what we're going to call it. We're going to continue on. And he said, well,

01:21:21.980 that won't be for me when I'm gone. That website is done. So when, you know, basically it gives the

01:21:28.140 answer to the question we're trying to answer whether he still works on the site. There's also,

01:21:32.320 you know, other information we have to show that he does. But he will not be, that site will not

01:21:38.460 exist if Matt Drudge is, is not working on it. That's basically what he said. Well, on the subject

01:21:44.420 of the house, Chris, it looked like, I haven't seen it personally, but I know we have some video and

01:21:49.560 he's putting it up for sale now. So I think it's okay to show it, but it wasn't, is a nice house,

01:21:54.800 but Matt Drudge has got to have tens of millions of dollars. There's just no question. He's a

01:22:01.200 multimillionaire thanks to what's happened with the Drudge Report. I don't know. Did you expect

01:22:06.980 him to be living more elaborately? Well, one thing about this house is that the price is in the

01:22:14.200 location. It is secluded. You cannot see it from Google Earth. It is covered in green. It is invisible

01:22:21.260 from above. You cannot see it from the road. It is tucked away. It's almost built into the earth is

01:22:27.360 how Bob Norman described it. It's a place where somebody who wanted to get away and not be bothered

01:22:33.220 would certainly go. You know, he used to have a place closer to downtown Miami beach and those kinds

01:22:37.980 of places. But he just wanted to get away from that exposure. And you did mention that that house is

01:22:43.660 for sale and it went up for sale right in the middle of us doing this podcast. And the descriptions

01:22:49.960 have changed. They've added more exclamation points and more references to why this seller is

01:22:55.280 very motivated. So we don't know why he wanted to get rid of it. But one can speculate.

01:23:00.740 But I will say that this is not... I mean, they actually reiterate that they put this online. He put

01:23:04.080 this online through his realtor. They want you to see it. Oh, it's not our video. We wouldn't...

01:23:07.180 No, no. It's not like you secretly got in there.

01:23:08.980 No, no, no. But he also is known to live around the world. You never know where he

01:23:14.980 actually is. His staffers never know where he is. He could just be in Israel. He could be in Arizona.

01:23:22.840 He could be in Florida. He has properties. He spends a lot of time in Las Vegas. He likes to

01:23:27.920 get really fancy sweets. Matt Leshak, his biographer, has reported. And so he's a person that likes to move

01:23:35.020 around. And that, I think, when you mention like, hey, this doesn't look like a palatial mansion or

01:23:40.500 anything. It's like, well, he has other priorities and he has other properties too.

01:23:45.400 And it's a beautiful home. I just know, I mean, he's got to be one of the richest men in media.

01:23:49.820 When he's down in Miami, you could go big. You could go right in the ocean.

01:23:53.460 Okay. I'm going to get to two things. We have to talk about Monica Lewinsky.

01:23:57.020 And then I will tell you about the time I met Matt Drudge in person in the conversation that we had.

01:24:01.920 Um, so Monica Lewinsky is really what put Drudge on the map. And you point out in the show,

01:24:08.160 most people think Matt Drudge broke that story. And he did, he did break the Monica piece of it.

01:24:16.380 Did he not? Because I'll tell you my experience of this. I mean, I was not in media. I was just a

01:24:20.580 kid. Um, but I was a lawyer and shortly thereafter, when I got to Fox news in 2004,

01:24:27.300 Britt Hume told me this personally, that the reason special report launched the night it did

01:24:32.640 was because Drudge broke, uh, the Monica Lewinsky story and they understood at Fox, this was huge

01:24:41.600 and they had no choice, but to like fire up an engine, the special report show that they were

01:24:47.880 not yet ready to put on the air. But there, you know, Fox is kind of, it was a startup to begin

01:24:51.820 with. They're like, let's fucking do it. You know? So they did it and the show is still going strong 0.99

01:24:56.440 and now hosted by our friend Brett Baer. Anyway, Matt Drudge got that whole thing started. And I

01:25:02.200 see in the piece, Michael Isikoff, who writes for Newsweek, who actually had the story, but was told

01:25:06.540 by his publisher Newsweek to hold it. He's kind of like, he didn't really break it. You know,

01:25:11.580 I broke the piece about being investigated by the justice department for a lot, you know,

01:25:16.380 but it really was a Matt Drudge thing. Well, Matt Drudge pushed it into the open in a way that

01:25:22.280 Newsweek was hesitant to do. There were lots of details swirling around at this time. Um,

01:25:27.880 and yeah, and the finer points, Isikoff had quite a few scoops and he's a fantastic reporter. He's

01:25:32.760 now at Yahoo News. Um, but the, the point with, with Drudge was that Drudge made this story

01:25:38.840 impossible to ignore. There was no more, Hey, should we hold this story? Should we check it?

01:25:44.520 Everyone had to run after the story. Television shows had to be launched. You know, it thrust the

01:25:52.720 ships to war as it were, um, in a way that might not have happened in such an abrupt way. It could

01:25:58.840 have been a little drip drip leak here. We don't, we don't exactly know, but what it certainly did,

01:26:03.720 um, was put legacy news organizations on their toes and they realize in the internet age,

01:26:10.400 if we don't break this, somebody else will. And I, and I think it pushed us into a digital era

01:26:15.880 that we were in a different universe before Drudge broke this. And for that, um, you could

01:26:22.260 tell the biography of Matt Drudge game changer. I mean, you really could, it could just be called

01:26:26.280 game changer because he really has been. Here's Isikoff from the podcast. Um, this is a clip from

01:26:31.560 episode two, finding Matt Drudge where Isikoff talks about it all. Take a listen.

01:26:36.360 You had the scoop and why was it not run? Why was it delayed?

01:26:44.160 Basically they were nervous. I mean, the editors, you know, this was like, they wanted to know

01:26:50.940 everything, but like, well, wait a second, like, you know, can we really report that Clinton,

01:26:56.800 you know, has been having an affair with an intern? The story was going to come out. It was a question

01:27:06.040 of how and when, right. But the fundamentals were already there. It was just too explosive. They

01:27:13.580 couldn't handle it. It was too big to report.

01:27:21.920 Well done. So, I mean, kudos to him because he did do great reporting on it. It was just Newsweek

01:27:26.100 that didn't, that didn't have the appetite. And so that's the thing about Drudge because he puts

01:27:30.240 up the red siren above the Drudge report and everyone in news is like, holy shit, Drudge has 0.96

01:27:36.780 got the siren up. We all have to pay attention. And one day, uh, he did that involving yours truly. 0.96

01:27:44.660 And this would lead to my encounter with him. So it was 2013 and, uh, my son Thatcher had just been

01:27:52.440 born in July. And I had struck a deal with Roger Ailes to, when I returned from maternity leave,

01:28:00.600 join the Fox news primetime and take over the 9 PM spot. And it was to be kept secret. I certainly

01:28:07.360 wasn't going to blab it to anyone. I didn't want to screw up my own career across my boss in that way.

01:28:12.880 And, um, I was online one day in our little townhouse we had and boom, there was the news

01:28:19.840 on the Drudge report. And I remember it like, holy, oh my God. Like, how does he know? Because

01:28:25.740 I knew and Roger knew and almost nobody else knew. And, uh, it says something like Megan to prime time.

01:28:33.360 And I never found out, but shortly thereafter, it's so it must've been, you know, between 13 and 17.

01:28:38.760 Cause that's when I left Fox. I saw Matt, Matt Drudge in the green room outside of Sean Hannity

01:28:44.860 studio on a night. He, he, I think he was going on Hannity. And, uh, I said, Matt Drudge,

01:28:50.920 like, how you doing? I said, someday you're going to have to tell me who told you that news.

01:28:58.520 And he said, I promise you someday I will tell you. And that, then I haven't seen him again.

01:29:03.760 So I'm really kind of hoping that someday it was like maybe after the person dies, he didn't tell me

01:29:09.600 what the condition would be, but he felt like he was in a position to actually at some point share it

01:29:13.320 with me, which I'd love to know if he gets back to me, you know, I'll, I'll let you know.

01:29:17.120 But anyway, uh, it's just another Testament of how he gets stuff. No one has.

01:29:25.040 Yeah, he, he is remarkable at that. And I think Chris, in one of the episodes,

01:29:28.600 uh, I believe it talks about how Trump secretly would have things leaked to him after telling

01:29:33.280 people, you know, don't, don't leak this anywhere, keep this secret. But when the doors are shut,

01:29:37.820 he would have someone give it, give it over to drudge and part to curry favor, uh, with,

01:29:43.200 with someone he viewed as so influential who, which is Matt drudges. And which is why,

01:29:48.240 uh, from the very beginning of his campaign, as Chris mentioned, they try to court drudge 0.99

01:29:52.340 as a supporter. And it certainly worked in the beginning.

01:29:55.700 And he would send drudge personal notes too. Oh, I'm sorry. Trump would write personal notes

01:30:02.360 to drudge. Uh, he would have the drudge report.

01:30:04.540 He does it with all of us. Yeah. I got one myself. It's on my office desk here. Uh,

01:30:08.900 but he would print the drudge report and then write little notes, like great story drudge. You

01:30:12.620 know, I mean the, the personal, um, attempt was, was very real going after him.

01:30:18.180 What Donald Trump was sending me when I was in the prime time of Fox,

01:30:21.360 almost invariably were stories about himself in the newspaper that he would then sign.

01:30:28.580 He just mail them to me. Like, okay. Thank you. And, but he would call me also to compliment

01:30:35.920 various news segments he had seen on the Kelly file. I have one from Trump that says, Chris,

01:30:40.360 you're a bad reporter. Sign Donald Trump with love. Um, okay. Can we just spend one second?

01:30:47.800 Cause we're talking about Monica Lewinsky and the, in the whole Bill Clinton affair. She's actually back

01:30:51.960 in the news. You guys see this. She's got this huge spread in L magazine as like the next supermodel. 0.99

01:31:00.620 And these young people over on Tik TOK, et cetera, are reacting to her as though she is a hero. She's

01:31:08.740 she's modeling reformation clothing. And they are the young folks today are so incredibly excited

01:31:16.520 about Monica Lewinsky, who for the young people watching this show is famous, or I do believe

01:31:22.600 the word is infamous for having an affair with a married man who happened to be the president of

01:31:27.320 the United States, whom she admitted to aggressively courting by showing him her thong and bragged 0.99

01:31:32.500 about her quote, presidential knee pads before she had even met him. Um, so she was excited to go

01:31:37.760 into the white house and get it on with the all too willing sitting president of the United States.

01:31:43.500 She was outed. One thing led to another. He lied about an under oath and he was impeached,

01:31:49.400 but not convicted similar to Trump. And, um, her name became synonymous with blowjobs. That's what 1.00

01:31:55.520 happened. I mean, that's all she gave him. They didn't have actual conventional sex and to get a

01:32:01.400 Lewinsky became synonymous with getting a blowjob, which was embarrassing. I'm sure for her, but now 0.99

01:32:05.840 she's resurfacing as like the new heroine to the young folks today. I'll give you a sample of, uh,

01:32:11.880 one of these tick tockers, I don't know, 19 or 20, whatever you guys think is better.

01:32:16.560 I am not going to lie. I had zero idea who this woman was. So I had to do a little bit of research

01:32:22.680 and this is Monica Lewinsky and she's pretty iconic. So she is the woman that Bill Clinton

01:32:30.580 had an affair with the woman where Hillary Clinton got cheated on. But reformation basically partnered

01:32:37.220 with Monica Lewinsky and voter.org to bring awareness with voting for the election for 2024.

01:32:44.300 So this collab is truly iconic. The fact that she is promoting voting. Well, she had a literal affair

01:32:50.780 with Bill Clinton, icon, legend, like get that bag. But can we take a moment for the red dress,

01:32:57.320 the red tights? Like I know Hillary Clinton is shaking in her boots right now. Like I know Bill 0.98

01:33:02.900 Clinton is peeping like he's lurking. He's like, Oh, that's Monica Lewinsky. She looking absolutely

01:33:09.240 fire pookie. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I'm going to be honest. I prefer my female heroes to have actually 1.00

01:33:19.120 done something heroic for women kind. I, okay. I'm glad Monica Lewinsky is doing okay, but she's not it. 0.71

01:33:26.640 Jamie thoughts. Well, first of all, the language just makes me feel old, uh, collab and get that

01:33:32.380 bag. I mean, this, this is a, this is a different era. I guess I am, I am getting older. I don't

01:33:38.180 know what to say to that. Uh, it's so bizarre that, that Monica Lewinsky is being, uh, uh, brought out 0.99

01:33:43.840 again. Uh, so, uh, you know, so much, so many years later. Uh, my only thought is that hopefully

01:33:47.760 that bodes well for the show. If people are figuring out about Monica Lewinsky, maybe, uh, drudge, uh, 0.61

01:33:52.620 podcasts, but we'll be, uh, next up there alley. I don't, I don't get it. Are we so desperate?

01:33:58.040 Do we run out of actual heroes, like actual heroines? There are actual women out there right 1.00

01:34:02.620 now doing great things for America. I'm glad she's back on her feet and I'm glad back in her 2015

01:34:08.000 special, the black and white thing, she took responsibility for her terrible decision-making.

01:34:12.520 These were no ordinary mistakes. Yes. Every 22 year old makes mistakes. These were not ordinary ones.

01:34:18.200 You have an affair with a sitting president of the United States was wife. The first lady's, 0.91

01:34:21.820 you know, upstairs and you know, you're, you're jeopardizing the country in a, in a way this was

01:34:27.700 a huge one. So she deserves some time on the sidelines. Doesn't mean she should never work 0.70

01:34:32.900 again in her life, but she's not a heroine. This is so weird. I don't get it. Young people seem 1.00

01:34:37.860 desperate to prop up anybody who's been through anything as a hero because they don't allow 0.99

01:34:43.680 themselves to go through anything anymore. Even the bad words they can't hear and discussions

01:34:49.600 about abortion or they need trigger warnings, reading the founding documents. They wanted 0.87

01:34:54.320 a trigger warning at the national archives. I mean, we could keep going. So in any event,

01:34:57.940 keep looking, go Monica. I love, you know, I love that you keep trying to reinvent yourself and keep

01:35:04.040 coming into the national news every other year saying this is the first time. But anyway, um,

01:35:09.820 it all started with Matt Drudge. So what do you guys make of it now? Because media over the,

01:35:15.520 what, 20 years that he's been doing this has changed dramatically. Does he have, I know we

01:35:22.540 talked about number five media and all that, but does he have the same influence now, especially

01:35:27.340 given how the Republican party feels about Trump as he used to? Well, you've mentioned Megan that

01:35:33.340 Fox news was always reading him, uh, in the studio and everything, but it wasn't just Fox news.

01:35:37.700 It was all the networks. It was ABC, CBS, NBC, all the reporters mainstream left and right, uh, to

01:35:44.280 your question though, of, of, has he declined a little bit in, in, um, his influence? I would say

01:35:50.040 certainly. So the internet has changed, uh, drudges where you used to go to see the latest news. You

01:35:55.760 would refresh it. You would hit refresh, refresh, refresh to find something new, but now that's on

01:36:00.360 social media. That's on Twitter X that's places like that. And so that has kind of supplanted it a

01:36:05.900 little bit. And, and, um, also his, his reporting has kind of slowed down a little bit. It's a lot

01:36:10.420 more aggregation and fewer scoops than he used to have. Um, but I think it's okay for a site like

01:36:15.820 that to enter a new season. Uh, I'll tell you why I really love going to the dredge report is because

01:36:20.140 so much of my media diet is run by an algorithm. I desperately want a creative, interesting person

01:36:26.860 to find stories for me to read and say, Hey, I think you'll like this. And not because of who you

01:36:31.140 are, but because who I am, who I am as the editor. And I think that is what is going to make him

01:36:35.240 stand up that human touch that he has. Um, even if he doesn't have the influence that he did maybe

01:36:40.560 10, 15 years ago, he still certainly matters. I agree. He's done so much for the news industry

01:36:46.660 for causes. I hold dear, um, for the media coverage and media in general that I'm grateful

01:36:52.700 to the guy enigmatic though. He may be that that is kind of part of his allure. You guys can hear

01:36:58.740 more at finding Matt drudge new podcast available on all platforms guys. Thanks for being here.

01:37:03.980 Thank you for having us, Megan. Really appreciate it. All right. And we'll see all of you tomorrow

01:37:08.720 with the latest on the Fannie Willis hearing. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 05, 2024

New Fani Willis Witnesses, and the Power of Drudge, with Dave Aronberg, Mike Davis, Chris Moody, and Jamie Weinstein ｜ Ep. 738

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