The Megyn Kelly Show - New Hunter Corruption Revelations, Biden's Short Stairs, and Barbie's Message, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.380 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.640 House oversight investigators are expected to hear testimony this week from Hunter Biden's

00:00:21.780 former business partner. It's getting very interesting in the Hunter slash Joe Biden

00:00:28.200 corruption investigation. Now, this guy who's going to speak, his name is Devin Archer,

00:00:34.100 and he is the ex-best friend of Hunter Biden and was also on that same Ukrainian company Burisma's

00:00:40.880 board with Hunter Biden. And he has been granted immunity, apparently, to speak in front of Congress

00:00:48.480 and spill all the tea about Hunter Biden. And he's ready to do it. He said he's gotten death threats.

00:00:55.260 He was supposed to testify today. It's been postponed by a couple of days. But he, we are

00:01:01.880 now told via The New York Post, is going to detail how, among other things, Hunter Biden repeatedly,

00:01:08.980 repeatedly put his father, then the sitting vice president, Joe Biden, on the phone with his many

00:01:14.820 foreign business associates. That directly contradicts what Joe Biden has told us all repeatedly about

00:01:20.920 having never even discussed his son's business with Hunter. He's long denied it.

00:01:28.860 I've never spoken to my son about it.

00:01:32.700 We're going to walk you through all the latest developments separately. White House officials

00:01:36.200 now apparently trying to keep Biden away from not terrorists, not criminals, but stairs,

00:01:42.100 stairs, which have the likeliest, the biggest chance of leading to his demise in the view of of those who

00:01:49.180 surround him, maybe as a matter of, you know, his longevity, maybe just as a matter of his

00:01:55.240 political career. But he's no longer using the main stairway to get onto Air Force One. He's got

00:02:01.740 to go on the little like the mini stairs, the short stairs to get him up into the belly of the plane.

00:02:06.620 Have you noticed he's been doing that? There's a reason. This is the majority of the U.S.

00:02:10.560 national women's soccer team stands there like a bunch of potted plants saying nothing during our

00:02:18.940 national anthem. They're a disgrace. I'm ashamed of them. Ashamed. Only one or two actually bothered

00:02:27.580 to even try singing. The rest looked like they were embarrassed to be Americans. We'll get to all of

00:02:32.100 it here with us today. Emily Jashinsky, culture editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist

00:02:37.600 Radio Hour and Eliana Johnson, editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the

00:02:43.420 podcast Inc. Stained Wretches. Welcome back, EJs. Great to see you. I can't wait to get to that

00:02:51.360 soccer story. My blood was boiling over the weekend, boiling as I watch these ingrates parade around like

00:02:57.380 they're representing us. Well, you're not. I don't know who you're representing. Some woke upper west

00:03:01.960 side, far left Californians, maybe, but not us. Screw you, Megan Rapinoe. You didn't even make the

00:03:07.400 starting team. There you off. You're off on the sidelines. I had to find you kneeling via some

00:03:11.960 somebody else's report. I'm sure she was. But now her her her anti-Americanism has spread like poison

00:03:18.940 ivy to the rest of the team players. No one wants to salute America. OK, stand by on that. Let's start

00:03:24.160 with Hunter Biden, because that's actually hard news. It's getting uncomfortable for him and more

00:03:29.020 importantly for Joe Biden. Ladies, this guy, Devin Archer, again, going to give testimony this week.

00:03:34.420 I outlined what he's expected to say. And on top of that, we've gotten now our hands on the 1023,

00:03:43.420 the form. I have it here that this confidential source provided to us suggesting that a bribe

00:03:53.920 had been paid to Joe and Hunter Biden. I mean, Joe being the operative recipient in order for his

00:04:00.100 action on Ukraine when he was the sitting vice president. Five million to him, allegedly five

00:04:03.800 million to Hunter. And it goes through in great detail why this confidential human source, who we

00:04:10.200 apparently trusted in our government, outlined why it was done, that it was done by the Burisma

00:04:15.500 executives, that they were really trying to get the government the investigation into Burisma done and

00:04:23.080 over with and get rid of the prosecutor. And that's exactly what Joe Biden wound up doing,

00:04:27.080 getting rid of that prosecutor. So there's a lot here to digest. But my overall point is this House

00:04:33.080 Oversight Committee is zeroing in, not just on Hunter, but on Joe. And the media has done a total

00:04:37.740 and complete blackout of it. Eliana, what do you make of it all?

00:04:43.260 Wish I could tell you I was surprised about the blackout. What's interesting about this form is it is

00:04:48.740 the testimony of one witness. And we hear in the press it's uncorroborated, unverified and so on.

00:04:54.660 Well, you know, if only we had some reporters who might be able to chase down leads and corroborate

00:05:01.900 tips, that would be quite useful when it came to testimony like this. But that's not what we see

00:05:09.200 in the mainstream media. More importantly, I think what you're seeing with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden

00:05:14.680 is this slow boil where there is a drip, drip, drip around Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. It's like a frog

00:05:24.100 boiling in a pot where I do think that this is having an impact on the American people

00:05:31.480 who are starting to understand. They may not be following this stuff closely, but are certainly

00:05:37.500 starting to understand that these guys were up to no good. And we'll see if Devin Archer shows up to

00:05:45.800 this testimony. He's canceled three times and this is supposed to be behind closed doors. But what he

00:05:52.460 says could be very interesting and important. On the other hand, you know, he was a scumbag in business

00:05:58.680 with Hunter Biden. He's not the most unimpeachable witness. So so we'll see what happens. But more

00:06:05.020 broadly, I do think this is taking a toll on on Joe Biden and the image he has tried since he

00:06:13.740 entered politics many, many, many moons ago to put forward that his word and his character were

00:06:21.840 unimpeachable. You know, the timeline is coming together, Emily, on this alleged bribe. And I

00:06:28.680 should say and underscore right at the front that this confidential form that the FBI had and didn't

00:06:32.960 want to turn over to Congress, but ultimately he had to. Chris Wray had to. They were threatening him

00:06:36.800 with contempt. This is just about six weeks ago. We don't know whether this form is true. We don't

00:06:42.560 know whether what the confidential human source was reporting to us is true. What we are all asking for

00:06:48.960 is an investigation. We would like to find out if it is true, because if it's true, Joe Biden committed

00:06:53.920 a crime and belongs in jail. Literally, those are the stakes. If what's in that form is true,

00:06:59.500 Joe Biden is a criminal. So we can't just say, oh, who cares? Whatever. You know, it doesn't amount

00:07:07.080 to anything, even even if true. If true, he's a criminal. He took a bribe as the sitting vice

00:07:11.980 president of the United States and then sold out our country by pulling off this prosecutor

00:07:16.480 from this Ukrainian corrupt oil company, gas company, Burisma, in exchange for the lining

00:07:23.140 of his own pockets and those of his son. That's what's being alleged in the 1023.

00:07:28.140 And Devin Archer, who is Hunter's business partner at the time, gives additional information

00:07:32.880 that dovetails very nicely with the allegations in that form. More and more things are building toward

00:07:39.020 Hunter and Joe were on some sort of a corruption scheme while Joe was vice president. We don't know

00:07:45.120 whether it's true. But Emily, the fact that this isn't the lead story in every newspaper in America

00:07:50.720 right now with the appropriate cautions is actually downright disturbing to me as a as a member of the

00:07:56.260 press. I had the exact same reaction as I was reading The New York Post story today. I was like,

00:08:01.160 my goodness, this is so explosive. It's well sourced. It's detailed that in another era,

00:08:07.400 this absolutely should have been and would have been. I think, you know, our media has never been

00:08:11.380 perfect. But this would have been the headline on the front pages. It would have been the headline,

00:08:16.640 the lead story on news channels. But it's basically just crickets. Now, some of that is because there

00:08:22.000 is, as Eliana mentions, a drip, drip, drip. But the 1023 and the Devin Archer story in The New York

00:08:27.380 Post today are absolutely related. And they're all they continue to be related to the whistleblowers,

00:08:32.440 the IRS whistleblowers that we just heard from last week. Basically, you have the government

00:08:37.200 impeding investigations, hiding things like the 1023 form or preventing those from getting out.

00:08:43.780 All the while, we also see very clearly more and more evidence that Joe Biden, who said he outright

00:08:50.120 said he did not have any knowledge of Hunter's dealings with foreign clients. He made that a point

00:08:56.340 in his 2020 campaign. And I didn't know anything about this. As the Devin Archer testimony suggests,

00:09:03.400 not only did Joe Biden know about it, but some of those meetings we heard about from the laptop,

00:09:08.540 like at Cafe Milano, a very swanky restaurant here in D.C., where people, elites like to have,

00:09:14.000 you know, fancy dinners and do business over their dinners, those fancy business dinners,

00:09:18.080 Cafe Milano. We know that Joe Biden and Ukrainian clients of Hunter Biden's were there. We've seen

00:09:23.500 pictures of them golfing together. So while we have all of this, like the pieces are there,

00:09:28.120 what we don't have is the clear sort of explicit thing from anybody other than Tony Bobulinski,

00:09:34.980 who the media just has already decided has no credibility. Someone coming out and saying,

00:09:39.100 yes, Joe Biden was involved in the business. And by Joe Biden taking this call and talking to Hunter

00:09:43.760 Biden's clients, by the way, that's him being involved in the business because what they're

00:09:47.000 selling is influence peddling. And we know that this was while he was vice president.

00:09:51.840 If Devin Archer is to be trusted, you have the vice president of the United States taking calls from

00:09:56.480 his son who's sitting at these restaurants, these meetings with his Ukrainian clients.

00:10:01.680 Well, he's the Obama administration's point man on Ukraine. You don't need to sound like a

00:10:05.980 conspiracy theorist. Charlie Kelly at his chalkboard connecting the dots crazily to understand any of

00:10:12.260 the story. It's just that Joe Biden was helping Hunter Biden sell influence.

00:10:16.380 Here's the timeline. So first, just for those who are living their lives and hopefully not reading

00:10:22.980 the 1023 over the week, I think people have things to do. But here's here's a little bit of what was

00:10:29.120 in this form, which we were never supposed to see. And now it's been released for all of us to look

00:10:33.680 at with a few minor redactions. OK, again, this is a bombshell FBI informant file describing a 10

00:10:41.880 million dollar bribery allegation against then vice president Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

00:10:48.860 The man is now president of the United States, for those of you playing at home, a Ukrainian

00:10:53.860 oligarch claiming he was coerced into making the payoff. These oligarchs over in Ukraine,

00:11:00.140 basically, that's how they get rich. They pay these. They run these big companies and they pay

00:11:03.760 off government officials to leave them alone. This guy, his name is Mikola Zlochevsky.

00:11:10.000 Zlochevsky. He owns Burisma, the infamous company that was paying Hunter something like 85 grand a month

00:11:15.780 to sit on its board, even though he had no expertise in gas or oil. It was basically just

00:11:20.380 his connection to his old man. And now we find out why it was so important, why that was so valuable.

00:11:25.140 It wasn't a just in case, according to this form, if it's true, they actually needed it and they used

00:11:29.800 it, the connection. So Mikola Zlochevsky tells the according to the to the informant,

00:11:37.980 he had a meeting with the informant in 2016 at a coffee shop in Vienna, Austria, and he told that

00:11:45.240 informant it cost five million bucks to pay one Biden five million to the other. He's Zlochevsky

00:11:52.020 made the comment that although Hunter Biden was stupid and that Zlochevsky's dog was smarter,

00:11:57.480 Zlochevsky needed to keep Hunter Biden on Burisma's board so everything will be OK. That's a quote.

00:12:01.600 The source asked whether Hunter or Joe told Zlochevsky that he should retain the younger

00:12:08.600 Biden on the board. Like whose idea was it? Our source is asking. And Zlochevsky allegedly replied

00:12:14.000 they both did. So that's Zlochevsky, the president, the owner of Burisma saying Joe Biden himself

00:12:20.220 told him, put my son on your board. This goes back to the conversation I had a week and a half ago with

00:12:25.200 Miranda Devine, who for the first time helped me see this is not Hunter Biden lining his own pockets

00:12:30.860 and maybe getting 10 percent for the big guy. This was a Joe Biden operation. The more you listen

00:12:35.720 to Miranda and read her reporting and all of her sources, this is Joe Biden pulling the strings.

00:12:40.860 Joe Biden was trying to line his pockets, according to these allegations, and Hunter was going along for

00:12:46.460 the ride. He was using Hunter, her reporting shows again, unconfirmed at this point because nobody else

00:12:54.860 will investigate. But we're on our way. Thanks to House Oversight. They both did. He said the federal

00:12:59.980 informant who is described as a Ukrainian American who's been a trusted, highly credible FBI source

00:13:05.780 for over a decade, described four conversations with Zlochevsky beginning in Kiev in late 2015 or early

00:13:14.080 16, continuing through a 2019 phone call, all while Joe Biden was vice president, all during the relevant

00:13:19.880 time frame. He said each of his conversations with Zlochevsky, our informant with the president of

00:13:25.900 Burisma, occurred in the presence of another man named Ostapenko. Ostapenko, that guy Ostapenko

00:13:32.900 introduced the informant to Zlochevsky. That's how he met through them or he introduced them. And he

00:13:38.180 works in some office for now President Zelensky. Zlochevsky, the Burisma owner, allegedly claimed that

00:13:44.560 he has an insurance policy on all of this. He wasn't dumb. He kept recordings of the conversations

00:13:50.360 with the Biden, 17 of them. In fact, two of which he claims to the informant involved Joe Biden,

00:13:56.200 as well as many text messages and two documents. And he thinks he says these are financial records

00:14:01.660 of payments. According to Zlochevsky, again, the Burisma owner, the recordings and other evidence

00:14:06.860 showed that he was coerced into paying the Bidens to ensure that this prosecutor over in Ukraine was

00:14:14.600 fired. That's what Burisma wanted. Burisma was allegedly corrupt. This prosecutor was investigating

00:14:20.160 Burisma. They wanted the guy fired. And there's no question that Joe Biden got him fired. That

00:14:25.380 is an admitted fact in the record. Joe Biden got him fired. Joe Biden says he got him fired because

00:14:30.840 he was corrupt, the prosecutor, and that not only we, the United States, but European allies also

00:14:36.100 wanted the guy gone as an effort to clean up corruption in Ukraine. So they're all doing this

00:14:39.840 listening audience. I'm pointing both ways with my fingers. But in any event, we know that Joe Biden

00:14:46.500 did get him fired. Here's Joe Biden bragging about the fact that he got him fired at an appearance

00:14:50.940 before the Council on Foreign Relations March 2018. So, too. I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting

00:14:58.220 a billion dollars. I said, you're not getting a billion. I'm going to be leaving here. I think

00:15:02.260 it was, what, six hours. I look, I said, I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired,

00:15:06.800 you're not getting the money. Oh, son of a bitch. Got fired.

00:15:13.260 So we know Joe Biden got the guy fired. But what this 1023 alleges is that that was because Joe

00:15:18.300 Biden got paid five million and his son Hunter got paid five million. And there's a confidential

00:15:21.800 source we've trusted for a decade saying, I heard that directly from the guy who made the payments,

00:15:25.920 who is the head of Burisma, the company that was paying Hunter Biden 85 grand a month.

00:15:31.360 I mean, it's pretty it's not like so far fetched. None of these people has a connection to the Bidens.

00:15:36.220 How could they possibly have even known the Bidens? Enter Devin Archer, ladies.

00:15:40.980 Devin Archer, who was on that very same board with Hunter Biden, who is Hunter Biden's best friend,

00:15:46.060 who's going to testify, we believe, Eliana, as you point out, uncertain, but we believe he's going to

00:15:51.540 take the stand in front of House Oversight and testify to the following timeline. 2015, Joe Biden's

00:16:01.820 sitting vice president. After a board meeting of Burisma, Archer and Hunter traveled to the Four Seasons

00:16:07.880 Resort in Dubai to have a drink. While they were sitting outside of the bar, a senior Burisma

00:16:13.380 executive phoned to ask where they were because Burisma's owner, Zlochevsky, needed to speak to Hunter

00:16:20.300 urgently. Soon afterward, the two Ukrainians joined Hunter and Archer at the Four Seasons bar,

00:16:26.600 and one of them asked Hunter, can you ring your dad? Hunter then called his father, put him on

00:16:32.420 speaker, placed the phone on the table and introduced the Ukrainians there to Joe Biden by name. He also

00:16:39.560 said words to the effect that the Burisma bigwigs, quote, need our support. That's Hunter to the dad.

00:16:45.940 Vice President Biden, sitting vice president, greeted the Ukrainians, but spoke only in vague

00:16:50.900 pleasantries during the short call. All this from Devin Archer. Congressional investigators,

00:16:55.820 we believe, will probe the reasons for Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, requesting the urgent phone

00:17:01.800 call with Joe Biden. Three days after that call, then Vice President Joe Biden was due to fly to

00:17:08.060 Ukraine, to Kiev, to address the Ukrainian parliament. That was on December 9th, 2015, about corruption

00:17:15.440 in Ukraine. By then, that prosecutor was already investigating Burisma. So this is Burisma,

00:17:21.300 according to these allegations, realizing the heat's being turned up on it, and that Joe Biden's

00:17:24.960 been placed as the point man in charge of Ukrainian corruption by Barack Obama. And this guy, the head

00:17:31.300 of Burisma, manages to get a message to the sitting vice president through his son that they need his

00:17:36.880 help. Can you ring your dad? And Hunter says they need our support to his sitting vice president

00:17:43.480 father. Three days after the speaker phone call, the vice president goes to Kiev to speak about

00:17:48.820 parliament. And in an email to Hunter and Archer on November 2nd, 2015, one month before that speaker

00:17:55.540 phone call, we know that one of the men at the meeting, a Ukrainian, explicitly demanded that they

00:18:00.060 use their influence to close down the criminal investigation against Burisma. So it's clear on

00:18:05.100 record that they had been asking this of Hunter Biden. This is what we're allegedly going to hear.

00:18:09.740 Um, and then came that comment that then came Joe Biden going over to Ukraine, Ukraine and getting

00:18:17.380 Victor Shokin fired. All of this is highly disturbing. And I'm going to say, look, it's highly

00:18:24.960 incriminating. It smells to high heaven. I mean, it. Eliana, is there a scandal if the media doesn't say

00:18:34.700 that there's a scandal? Does Watergate happen? Does Nixon get impeached? If almost if if the media

00:18:43.600 doesn't cover it, if there's no Woodward and Bernstein, if if there's absolutely no media

00:18:48.360 interest or a complete media blackout, the only way anything happens is with the support of the

00:18:54.380 American public. And there's only one way of getting to the American public. And that is through

00:18:59.340 the media in all of its various forms. Look, I think you're partly right. The media in the upcoming

00:19:07.920 election 2024, the lack of coverage does matter. It's probably worth a couple of points. On the

00:19:15.560 other hand, this information is getting out there, whether it's because of people like you or the Wall

00:19:22.520 Street Journal editorial page or publications like The Federalist and The Beacon. There isn't a total

00:19:28.360 blackout in media on this. And it is the information is trickling out and it is damaging Joe Biden,

00:19:38.360 his refusal to acknowledge his seventh granddaughter, his attempts to portray himself as a family man

00:19:45.720 with all this grossness around him, whether it was small ball. Yes, The New York Times is willing to do

00:19:51.920 that. But that is small ball compared to allegedly took a damn bribe while a sitting vice president.

00:19:58.360 What you are talking about would be corruption on the level that the vice presidency may have never

00:20:03.120 seen. If that is proved, you know, if all of this bears out. And let me just say you what you

00:20:09.500 referenced in the 1023 forum where the guy says that Hunter Biden is dumber than his dog. I mean,

00:20:15.180 sounds accurate. You know, there are things in it that do ring true. And they certainly merit follow up

00:20:22.400 and additional scrutiny. And Devin Archer is someone who knows Hunter incredibly well. And I think his

00:20:27.200 testifying his testimony could be really damning. He knows the ins and outs of the business. He he

00:20:32.880 certainly could provide compelling first person testimony with names and dates. He was on all of

00:20:38.360 these emails. His testimony could be incredibly important. Yes. The lack of media coverage, the lack of media

00:20:45.400 interest, the lack of media ambition. You know, they know they're not going to win Pulitzer Prizes

00:20:51.360 for bringing down Joe Biden. Miranda Devine should get one. They did with Trump. They know that. So

00:20:58.240 the that matters at the same time. I do think that despite their best attempts, the information is

00:21:07.800 getting out. And that's it also is going to matter, of course, not to the same level of this was front

00:21:13.880 page in The New York Times every day. But it's getting out and it is hurting. It is hurting Joe

00:21:19.060 Biden. You know, I guess, Emily, when The New York Times starts taking a deep dive, we'll know that

00:21:24.380 they are watching the polls and they're fearful that he can't be the likely GOP nominee who at this

00:21:30.560 point is Trump could could be one of the others. But at this point, you have to say it's Trump.

00:21:34.280 But the media won't turn on him until they are convinced Joe Biden can't beat whoever's coming

00:21:40.560 up on the GOP side. Only when they're convinced he's a liability will they get rid of him. The

00:21:46.180 latest polls out today will get to him show Biden. It's tight. You know, depending on the poll by the

00:21:52.060 week, it's like he's within a couple of points of Trump. He's within a couple of points of DeSantis

00:21:55.480 up or down. But Kamala Harris gets absolutely crushed, including by Donald Trump. The electorate

00:22:01.240 will never elect her ever. And Joe Biden is frailer and frailer by the day. And I really

00:22:06.280 do believe once the media makes the calculation that he can't do this, he can't make the sprint

00:22:10.780 or the marathon. Right. And get get the Dems across the finish line in November 2024. They're

00:22:16.540 going to have to turf him because they know she'll lose.

00:22:20.520 And I think that's why you see people like Gavin Newsom waiting in the wings and sort of floating

00:22:24.920 their name out there because they feel as though there is a possibility. And I actually think

00:22:29.980 to your point about Woodward and Bernstein, something that really is totally true when

00:22:35.440 you look back at how that situation was handled, I don't think you would have had, period, a

00:22:40.680 President Joe Biden. I do not think this man would have been elected president if the press

00:22:45.360 applied the same standards of ethics to this generation of politicians that they did to other

00:22:51.120 generations of politicians. And they've always leaned a little bit left. But we had plenty

00:22:55.900 of information, actually, to your point about how all of this narrative is coming together.

00:22:59.700 We knew that Joe Biden was the front man for the Obama administration in Ukraine. And we knew that

00:23:05.120 his son was an unregistered foreign agent as of the time of the election in 2020. I actually don't know

00:23:12.120 if Joe Biden wins the Democratic primary in 2020 in a different era because all of this stuff, I mean,

00:23:19.040 Tony Bobulinski has been on the record since 2020, and he's still filling out some of the stuff we're

00:23:23.380 supposed to learn from Devin Archer, who himself is under investigation and has plenty of reason to

00:23:27.400 talk now. So I actually think that we had so many details of obvious Biden family soft corruption

00:23:33.580 that is very serious. We call it soft corruption, but it's actually very serious. And it gets to this

00:23:39.260 man selling himself as America's principled, friendly grandfather in the same way that the story about

00:23:45.780 the seventh grandchild does. Like, this is a man who uses his character as a huge part of his campaign.

00:23:50.560 Um, and, and to Miranda's point is actually using his son to rake in millions and millions of dollars,

00:23:56.880 basically using his son as a shell company, um, to, to peddle influence and as unregistered

00:24:03.220 foreign agents, by the way, um, which is a huge part of all of this too, because Paul Manafort was

00:24:07.660 charged with that, uh, on the Trump side and people on the left are not getting treated as seriously as

00:24:12.720 people on the right who have violated Farah have. Um, and so let alone the president of the United

00:24:17.020 States being an unregistered or the vice president of the United States being an unregistered foreign

00:24:20.740 agent. And the really sad part of all of this is the president of the United States is now dealing

00:24:24.820 with Ukraine on another scale. And if he is compromised because he has financial relationships

00:24:30.780 in Ukraine that are changing the way he approaches policy, all of this is not even to talk about China.

00:24:36.740 The fact that Hunter Biden, we knew in 2020, when Joe Biden was running, Hunter Biden took Air Force

00:24:41.520 two to Beijing with his father and conducted business there. We have known all of this.

00:24:46.320 And these are the two fronts in Joe Biden's foreign policy right now. And so the fact that he is the

00:24:51.560 president of the United States, because the press didn't hit him hard on all of this stuff, uh, I

00:24:56.300 think speaks volumes about the eco, our political ecosystem right now. It's, it's deeply alarming.

00:25:02.500 I mean, I look at your first year. It's like, I have no idea whether or not this is true. There's

00:25:07.600 some form may or may not be confirmed. I have no, like when you line it up and you look at this,

00:25:12.540 the information coming out of Bob Alinsky, coming from the 1023, coming from Devin Archer,

00:25:17.260 some, what we know for a fact from Joe Biden's own words on camera, it smells, it smells to high

00:25:24.980 heaven. It's more than justifying for a special counsel, which we can't get to look into this

00:25:31.760 specifically to find out what is the truth. Even if he weren't president, it would be worth doing.

00:25:37.220 If a former recent vice president sat and took bribes on behalf of the, well, supposedly arguing

00:25:43.640 on our behalf, the United States of America, we'd need to know, but he is the sitting president in

00:25:48.860 charge of policy. As you point out, not just Ukraine, but China is a whole other ball of wax

00:25:52.360 with corruption allegations to involving the Bidens. And he's running for reelection. He's

00:25:58.820 right for reelection. So we need to know. I want to give you the poll that I was just referencing.

00:26:04.320 It's the latest Harvard Harris poll released on Friday, and it shows that in a head-to-head

00:26:10.940 matchup between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, Trump wins 45 to 40. And then it shows in a head-to-head

00:26:18.860 matchup Trump versus Kamala Harris, Trump easily wins 47 to 38. Though, as we've seen in earlier

00:26:27.280 polls, 70% of voters would like another option between Trump and Biden. They do not want those

00:26:35.200 two to be the nominees, even though Trump's overwhelmingly winning on the GOP side and Biden's

00:26:40.000 overwhelmingly winning on the Dem side, we're rushing toward renominating both of these guys.

00:26:44.980 But 70% of the voters would really like another option. 68% of Americans said they felt President

00:26:53.000 Biden, now 80, is showing us he is too old to be president. And that's another problem for Joe

00:27:02.060 Biden. There's a piece out today, is it NBC? Yeah, NBC News, talking about how, as I mentioned

00:27:12.460 in the opening, he's got to use the short stairway, you know, the short bus. He's on the short

00:27:18.760 stairway to get on Air Force One. He can't, can't make it up the normal stairway, a robust young man

00:27:26.020 or normal person of any age could go, could use. So now he's got to go through the much shorter entry.

00:27:33.340 He is described by those who are his allies in this piece as, quote, quite frail, does not have the

00:27:40.760 stamina levels, they say, of Obama or a younger president. He, of course, needs extra large font on

00:27:46.240 the teleprompter and note cards to remind him of the points that he is supposed to make in meetings.

00:27:51.720 We've seen his cheat sheets for reporters. There are allegations he's actually gotten the questions

00:27:55.680 from the reporters like the L.A. Times. Eliana, I mean, it's like, I mean, he's he's special. He's a

00:28:01.220 special president of the United States. I mean, look, this goes to what we were talking about a little

00:28:08.620 bit before. The media may not be covering it, but the American people can see it and they don't want

00:28:14.280 either one of these guys. The only people who want a Trump and Biden rematch are the press,

00:28:19.840 who are very much pushing for Biden to be the Democratic nominee and Trump to be the Republican

00:28:25.900 nominee. That is the narrative that we are getting. But the Biden coverage is amusing in the sense that

00:28:33.100 these news reports, quote unquote, are telling us what we can see with our own eyes. We've been seeing

00:28:38.760 AP photographs of the guy's note cards who name his own staffers and tell him where

00:28:44.200 they're sitting in relation to him for the past year. And we can see his little shuffling

00:28:50.040 steps on and off stage again with our own eyes. We can see that he's frail. We can see that he's

00:28:56.300 feeble. And it is only the people, his aides quoted in stories who tell us that he's so energetic

00:29:02.760 they can't keep up with him. So, yes, I did read with amusement in the press story that he's using the

00:29:09.080 14 step stairway to get onto Air Force One as opposed to the 26 step stairway, because that

00:29:16.960 leaves 12 fewer steps for him potentially to fall on and embarrass himself. It is sad. And I do think

00:29:24.580 that this desire among so many of our politicians, it is not just Joe Biden, but he's an extreme example

00:29:31.040 to stay in public life long after their expiration date. We have Dianne Feinstein in the Senate is like

00:29:38.100 a symptom of something. Bad, bad. I mean, he talks about his grandchildren all the time. Go spend some

00:29:45.520 time with them. Yes. You know, I had to say, like, Chuck Grassley's older than all of them and seems to be

00:29:52.320 holding it together just fine. And then there's Alan Dershowitz, who I think is 85, who puts us all to

00:29:58.040 shame. So it's not that it's impossible to be even in your mid to late 80s and be very with it. I mean,

00:30:05.900 it's possible. It's just not happening in the case of Joe Biden or Dianne Feinstein. It's just not so

00:30:12.160 that they're kind of undermining it for everybody else. Right. It's like you're making the case to

00:30:18.360 the most American people that it's your age. That's the problem. Whereas it's you. Maybe you didn't

00:30:22.820 exercise. Maybe you didn't make good life choices. I don't know why you wound up this way versus

00:30:26.180 Alan Dershowitz. It's really you know, it shouldn't be my problem. But it is because you're president

00:30:30.220 of the United States. Good campaign for one of the old people who's keeping it together to run

00:30:35.460 against. I mean, that is the theory like Donald Trump and Joe Biden are not that different age wise.

00:30:44.160 And yet it's night and day. Like whatever you think about either of them politically, Donald Trump

00:30:49.440 is obviously somebody of an advanced age who doesn't have the medical complications of of Biden's

00:30:55.120 advanced age. And that's one thing that the media can cover Biden as much as they want. They can have

00:30:59.800 fun pictures of him, whatever. They can't hide it. I mean, they really cannot hide his age. And the

00:31:06.280 poll you cited, Megan, one thing that stands out to me where you have 70 percent of the country that

00:31:11.040 would prefer an option other than Trump and other than Biden. They don't want that matchup. Both of those

00:31:16.220 men are as of right now refusing to debate. Joe Biden doesn't want to take the debate stage. Donald Trump

00:31:21.200 doesn't want to take the debate stage. Joe Biden doesn't want there to even be a Democratic Party

00:31:25.580 debate about who the nominee would be, despite the fact that you do have a lot of the country and a

00:31:29.860 lot of Democrats exhausted with his presidency and Donald Trump himself. I mean, one thing I think

00:31:35.340 about is in 2015 and 2016, you basically had about 70 percent of Republican voters going for somebody

00:31:42.660 other than Trump. Like that number was pretty constant. Most voters in the Republican primary voted

00:31:47.880 against Donald Trump. And it was something like a 60 40 70 30 ratio. Now it's the exact opposite.

00:31:53.240 You have about that 30 percent split among all the different candidates and about 70 percent for

00:31:57.840 Trump. But a lot of that is people feeling like they're it's inevitable and that they're going to

00:32:02.840 have to. He's he's the only person at this point that can beat Joe Biden. And it's an inevitability

00:32:08.960 when you have 30 percent of people that are absolutely fully committed to Donald Trump. So the fact

00:32:13.400 that nobody of these men of advanced age who, frankly, statistically might not make it through

00:32:19.740 a full presidency, even though they're on different ends of the health spectrum, I would say, for men

00:32:24.140 of their age and neither is planning to debate an opponent. I mean, that is also to Eliana's point

00:32:29.620 about what this says about our politics. That's really bad and I think really unfortunate as well.

00:32:35.700 Hmm. You know, I mean, Trump is not debating because he doesn't think he has to at this early stage

00:32:40.200 against these competitors. Joe Biden's not debating, maybe because he thinks he doesn't

00:32:44.940 have to, but he can't. I mean, I think we all know he can't write like I would. It would be hard

00:32:50.120 to watch. It would really be like when you're at the circus and they're up on the high wire and

00:32:54.020 there's no net and you're like, oh, God, I don't want to see anything happen. You know, not for my

00:32:58.260 entertainment, not for any purpose whatsoever. I just say what you will about RFK Jr. He is

00:33:04.160 deft intellectually and he can stick and move pretty well and it would be rather ugly, I think.

00:33:13.540 So if I were advising Joe Biden, I'd say the same thing. Sit your ass at home. You go on the short

00:33:18.060 stairs, you hold on to the railings, you wear your grandpa's shoes and then you get back into

00:33:22.940 that basement, sir. You sit down there and let us indict Trump to kingdom come and you just take care

00:33:28.880 of your well-being. See your doctor. See your doctor again. Apparently the doctor's all over

00:33:32.660 him. You need one of those seats on the railing to just take him up and down the stairs of Air Force

00:33:38.820 One, you know, like a motorized. That's a good photo. Those things are amazing. They're so fun.

00:33:43.320 Yeah, but that would be the end of his presidency for sure. There he is going up the super short

00:33:47.820 stairs very carefully. Don't blow it. Almost there. Yes. All right. Stand by. We'll be right back

00:33:57.280 because there's an update on the Trump side, the lawfare against Donald Trump, and we'll bring it

00:34:02.240 to you next. Emily and Eliana stay with us for the show. So Trump is looking at, I guess, a bit of good

00:34:14.540 news and a bit of bad news. It looks like he's going to get indicted. Yes, we believe by Jack Smith in

00:34:21.120 connection with January 6th. That news broke a week ago today. But also now they're ramping up

00:34:28.160 the news out of Georgia where this Fannie Willis, she's the one who impaneled a grand jury and that

00:34:33.380 lunatic foreperson was running around to CNN giddy about the long list of charges and you won't be

00:34:38.640 surprised who's on it. If any will, this does not want to be outdone by Jack Smith or Alvin Bragg and

00:34:45.780 is getting ready to charge him down in Georgia for election interference related charges. And I think

00:34:52.840 it's it's good news. I know people like Mark Levin are disappointed. I saw him attacking the judge

00:34:57.420 in the in the Mar-a-Lago's document case against Trump where she set the trial date. This is a Trump

00:35:04.620 appointed judge for is it's May, May of 2024. All right. So that's I always think of the months by

00:35:12.480 numbers. That's five. And the election is in 11. All right. So it's six months before the election.

00:35:19.180 But I'm telling you right now, there's no there's no way that that case is going off in May. It's

00:35:23.300 not going off in May. It's going to get postponed. All she has to do is postpone a couple of things

00:35:27.740 here, there along the way to May. And, you know, here we are. We're in seven right now. So she's got a

00:35:34.340 long time between seven and the following five to figure out ways to delay it, which I bet she will.

00:35:39.280 I mean, I think Trump will figure out ways and she'll probably give it to him because scheduling

00:35:43.340 matters are usually given. And all he needs to do is get it up to like August. You know, that's what

00:35:51.340 just a couple of months later. That's three months later. And then in August, he's going to say you

00:35:57.660 can't have the damn trial of me now if he's the nominee. I'm on the ballot in early November.

00:36:04.780 Talk about election interference. There's just no harm to the court or to justice if you postpone this.

00:36:09.120 By two and a half, three months. That's what's going to happen. That's my prediction. So I think

00:36:13.980 May is actually a good date for Trump to have gotten in the Mar-a-Lago's document case.

00:36:19.300 And I think the only case that has a realistic opportunity at this point of getting tried before

00:36:24.360 the November election is Alvin Bragg's loser case in New York, which, yes, it'll probably be a jury

00:36:30.640 that hates him, but it's bullshit charges. I mean, really patently bullshit charges could get thrown

00:36:36.060 out on the papers. And on top of that, he's not looking at jail time. So do we really like I think

00:36:45.260 overall the lawfare against Trump is outrageous, but I I think he's doing OK. What do you make of

00:36:50.240 my assessment, Emily? Yeah, I think that's exactly right. He's actually if anything, it's good for

00:36:54.920 him. He's gone up in the polls in the primary and that may not translate into a general election. But

00:36:59.940 actually, I think it would, because the more indictments he's hit with and the more lawfare

00:37:05.140 against Donald Trump there is, the more he dominates the news cycle. So that takes oxygen

00:37:09.580 away from Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, anybody else who's trying to challenge

00:37:14.220 him. So since he's been hit with additional indictments, we've actually seen the gap between

00:37:18.340 him and Ron DeSantis widen. And that coincides in some ways with DeSantis entering the race.

00:37:25.460 But I actually don't think there's there's a coincidence there. I really think that he's just

00:37:29.480 sucking up all the oxygen. And because he looks like the biggest target of the political class,

00:37:35.560 the political establishment, that right now in this Republican primary is a gift. That is a

00:37:40.880 political advantage to be the central threat that the political establishment is identifying and

00:37:46.280 then targeting. And so I think in a general election, if he's you know, if Joe Biden is able to

00:37:51.600 say this guy is facing, you know, four separate challenges, he's been indicted X number of times.

00:37:57.020 Again, I think because the country is so polarized, and that you have some people who say he's guilty,

00:38:01.560 some people say he's absolutely not guilty, and a middle that is just saying what on earth is going

00:38:06.400 on? Why are these my choices? I don't think it dramatically changes the game. And if it does,

00:38:12.200 I actually think it gives an advantage to Trump.

00:38:14.140 Mm hmm. Eliana, the latest polls, my God. I mean, you've got to be dancing in the streets if

00:38:21.320 you're Trump, if you're anybody else. I mean, people are like the Vick, the Vick polled second

00:38:26.220 in one poll out of, I think, Florida on Friday, which gets a B rating. So it's a decent poll,

00:38:32.020 not like the best, not the worst. He's polling tied with Ron DeSantis for second. But let's not kid

00:38:37.760 ourselves. They're, they're, they're second in a race where there's like 10 points between you and

00:38:44.360 the first. And then there's this race where they're second or third, and they're 40 points behind the

00:38:51.720 leader, 40. That same Harvard Harris poll has Donald Trump at 52. DeSantis is number two in this

00:38:59.960 one at 12. Vivek is at 10, which, yes, is better for Vivek. I'm not trying to crap on Vivek. I'm just

00:39:06.020 saying, who are we kidding? 52 versus 12 is stunning. And if you are a Trump lover, you're

00:39:14.900 thrilled. If you are a supporter of any of these other guys or of anybody but Trump fan club, you're

00:39:20.620 crying in your soup. There are a couple of assumptions that I'm making right now. They may

00:39:28.280 be right or wrong, but one is that one of the turning points in this race, and we'll see if it

00:39:34.040 proves to be a turning point. But it's an important moment is that first Republican debate on August 23rd

00:39:40.660 or 4th in Milwaukee on August 23rd. That's a chance for the Republican primary voters to see these

00:39:50.480 candidates if they all choose to show up. And I think they all do need to show up to appear alongside

00:39:55.880 each other and showcase their talents and make their case to the voters. This race hasn't really

00:40:02.900 started in truth. And I think that I'm looking at is the official kickoff of this race. And we'll see

00:40:11.160 what happens after that. But right now, of course, Trump is in a commanding position. None of the

00:40:17.080 candidates have managed to eat into his lead. And I actually attribute Trump's commanding position

00:40:23.040 in part to the fact that he's the incumbent, but also in part to the fact that none of the others

00:40:27.380 have run particularly good campaigns. Ron DeSantis is floundering and needs a course correction right

00:40:33.820 now. And he all along has only has been kind of sort of the only one who could who could steal the

00:40:42.180 mantle from Trump. And I think the question for Trump with all of his legal troubles, the strongest

00:40:48.720 case against him is the document case where he's in real legal peril. And either he'll be president

00:40:55.660 and confront the possibility of pardoning himself if he is convicted, or if another Republican is

00:41:04.240 president, he will be in the interesting position of having to make nice with one of these other

00:41:09.040 Republicans and look to them for a possible pardon. And I think if another Republican does snatch the

00:41:15.280 nomination from his hands, that will put Trump in an interesting position of not being able to be the

00:41:22.520 spoiler, which he has been in all of these other races since he was since in 2020. And after where he

00:41:31.580 wasn't a party player, he undermined Republicans chances in the Georgia Senate races. He's talked smack

00:41:38.160 about all the other Republican candidates. But I don't think given his legal troubles, he wants to be in the

00:41:44.060 position of being in the bad graces of a potential Republican president or Republican Senate majority

00:41:52.100 or minority leader, I think he's going to want to be in the party's good graces given the troubles he

00:41:56.540 may face. Should he not be president? That is a great point. That's a great point. That just changed my

00:42:05.460 thinking because all along I've been thinking if Trump doesn't get the nomination, he'll just be a

00:42:11.720 spoiler. I mean, his his fans are going to take their ball and go home. They're not just going to

00:42:16.340 switch over to Ron DeSantis or anybody else. But the the legal cases against Trump throw that into

00:42:25.000 question, because not just for Trump, but even his supporters who love him. The last thing they're

00:42:31.280 going to want to see at that point is another Democratic president, because then Trump's really

00:42:35.200 screwed because Jack Smith's not going to drop these cases. His fans may be inclined to do that,

00:42:41.000 but I think Trump will be motivated to lead them in a different direction this time. He at least has

00:42:46.700 reason to be a team player where he didn't in in past years. That's such a good point that that whole

00:42:55.260 calculation has changed now for how Trump behaves if he doesn't get the nomination. And yet, is this an

00:43:01.360 exercise in just fiction, Emily, as we look at not just those national polls like the Harvard Harris,

00:43:08.300 but the latest Fox Business Network polls? Everybody thinks these are like right leaning

00:43:13.880 polls because they come out of Fox. They're not. This is objective polling. And Fox, I have to say,

00:43:18.040 has the best in the business. They did polling of Iowa and South Carolina to see how it's going.

00:43:24.480 Trump is up over his next closest competitor, DeSantis in Iowa, where DeSantis has spent a lot of money

00:43:30.220 by 30 points, 46 to 16, 30 points. Tim Scott is kind of nipping at DeSantis' heels in Iowa.

00:43:39.480 He's got 11 percent to DeSantis' 16, Vivek's at six, Nikki Haley's at five. I mean, it's like,

00:43:47.220 it's not really worth mentioning other than the top two, to be perfectly honest, maybe three.

00:43:51.100 So it goes Trump, DeSantis, Scott, 46, 16, 11. South Carolina, Trump is up by 34,

00:43:57.340 34 over Nikki Haley. She's in the number two slot there. Trump has 48. Nikki Haley is 14. DeSantis

00:44:05.440 has dropped to third place, but only by one point behind Haley at 13. And Tim Scott, he's also

00:44:12.500 hometown like Nikki Haley. He's at he's in fourth right now with 10 percent. But my God, he's up 34

00:44:20.580 in South Carolina. He's up 30 in Iowa and he's up double digits, considerable double digits, I think

00:44:26.440 over 20 in New Hampshire, too, Emily. So it's like. I don't I don't see it. Like, what is the plan

00:44:33.640 to get rid of him on the Republican side for any of the other just are they just counting on Jack Smith?

00:44:41.640 That's a good question. I mean, especially because when you look at it in again, contrast with 2016,

00:44:46.800 they don't have the numbers like even if they wanted to orchestrate a Buddha judge Klobuchar

00:44:51.420 and then sort of what Cruz Rubio had the opportunity to do back in 2016 type of maneuver where

00:44:57.560 you coalesce and say this is about, you know, the Democratic Party retaining power, not so much about

00:45:03.500 Pete and Amy and Joe. You couldn't even do that in this case because the numbers aren't there.

00:45:08.740 There's no coalition that you can add up that will even come close to Trump's numbers. Right.

00:45:13.760 So it's like you got Vivek and Tim Scott and Nikki Haley to all agree to chop out and

00:45:18.180 back to Santa's. That doesn't even get you into Trump territory and South Carolina.

00:45:23.640 You're right. Yeah. It's doing the math, looking at the numbers. You're 100 percent right. It doesn't

00:45:28.740 get you there. You don't even have the option. And South Carolina is such an interesting barometer

00:45:33.720 because this is where you have two well liked home turf politicians and Nikki Haley and Tim Scott.

00:45:40.060 And neither of them is even like around maybe maybe Tim Scott's around 10 percent,

00:45:44.700 11 or something in South Carolina. But either way, he's at 10. Haley's at 14 and Trump's at 48.

00:45:51.260 So there you have people with good faith built up over the course of years of political careers

00:45:57.480 in a state, a fairly normal red state. And even there, Donald Trump up by 34 points. I don't think

00:46:06.080 that's just about South Carolina. I think that's a testament to the Republican base that even where

00:46:10.280 people have good feelings about other candidates, there's just something about Donald Trump that

00:46:16.060 people are sticking with. So the roadmap for anyone else is hard to see. Then again, we are a month away

00:46:21.800 from debates. And I think that's probably why Donald Trump says, hey, I'm not going to debate. I don't

00:46:26.580 want to give anyone else the opportunity to flip the narrative. I don't want to have an opening for a

00:46:32.440 big mistake. But once we get to debates and once we get to the post Labor Day period,

00:46:37.400 you can start to see some differences happening with money. Nobody knows what's going to happen.

00:46:41.820 But the likelihood of something changing this race is low, remains low as of right now, for sure.

00:46:48.560 I feel like Trump, he's not worried about getting hit at the debate. He's had that happen many times.

00:46:52.620 He knows how to deal with it. I think it's he doesn't want to allow them to bathe in his reflective

00:46:57.100 light. You know, he's like, if I show up, the ratings will be double what they'd be without me.

00:47:02.740 And why would I help you? Why would I help shine the spotlight on any of you? I'll get enough

00:47:07.440 spotlight on my own. But I he'll be at some debates, but I do not think he's going to be at

00:47:11.920 that first one. We'll see. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Stand by EJs. We'll be right back. And don't

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00:47:56.020 So ladies, I'm glad to see that you are indoors right now, because according to the New York

00:48:00.680 Times, we need to stay inside. Don't go out in this treacherous summer. They had a piece posted

00:48:08.320 on the 20th entitled, Is It Safe to Go Outside? How to Navigate This Cruel Summer? Now they're very,

00:48:17.760 very concerned about heat, about flooding, about wildfire smoke. They have made for treacherous

00:48:24.860 conditions. Use this guide to determine when it is safe to head out and when you should stay home.

00:48:31.020 Now, I will go ahead and say, even though when I was in Connecticut, before I came down here to

00:48:34.880 Jersey, we had a couple of those days where the Canadian wildfire smog was all over. You could

00:48:41.520 smell the smoke. It was disgusting. I changed absolutely nothing about the way I behaved.

00:48:46.900 Um, notwithstanding the fact that I understand it's unpleasant, that issue in particular. Um,

00:48:54.520 I can't like the, um, level of hysterics in here. It's almost like a whole newsroom full of Taylor

00:49:01.100 Lorenz's like the absolute panic about any sort of environmental danger. Uh, they want you among

00:49:08.700 other things before you go outside to check the heat index, put your local air temperature and

00:49:15.120 humidity level into this calculator with a helpful link from the weather service to get a localized

00:49:20.960 heat index or download an app. This is how they want you to begin your morning. You're going to do

00:49:26.600 calculations ladies into the heat index. So you can make sure whether you can live. If the heat index

00:49:32.440 is 103 degrees or above, avoid vigorous activity outdoors, limit your exposure to the heat and so on.

00:49:39.020 Excessive rainfall. The best way to navigate it is to prepare early. The weather service sends out

00:49:46.040 different categories of flood alerts. So you need to keep your weather service alerts on and monitor

00:49:52.320 your phone all day because the danger could strike at any time. Now the air quality, you must monitor

00:49:58.560 the air quality index. There's the heat index. That's your one app. Then you got to switch over to the

00:50:03.180 other app and check out your heat, your air quality index because you could be sucking in ground level

00:50:09.520 ozone, particle pollution, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide. I could go on. You could

00:50:15.600 be dead by Tuesday. Uh, where to check the air quality index can be found at airnow.gov or airnow app

00:50:22.600 and what to do. If the air quality is poor, you guessed it plan to stay indoors as much as possible

00:50:29.620 with the windows closed. If you must be outdoors. Can you take a guess what the New York times wants

00:50:34.700 you to put on your face? Yes, you guessed it. An N95 mask to help reduce your exposure to toxins.

00:50:44.540 Run. Don't walk to the nearest inside underground bunker. What do you make of it?

00:50:50.440 Amazing. I've seen people in masks. I was going to say sunscreen, but, uh, I did not anticipate masks.

00:50:57.280 No, I've seen people walking around DC with masks and some of it, it's probably people who have been

00:51:02.440 doing it since COVID, but I really am seeing even more people that are wearing masks. So obviously they're

00:51:07.620 taking the New York times way more seriously than they should. Actually, I'm begging people to go outside

00:51:13.000 because as humans, our systems desperately need us to spend time outside. Obviously not if your kid has

00:51:19.160 asthma and your air quality index app is telling you that it's not safe for your little kid to go

00:51:24.740 outside, but we act as though bad weather or crazy weather or extreme weather isn't normal. Although

00:51:31.560 extreme weather has been normal. It will always be normal. Averages are just that they're averages.

00:51:37.180 They're numbers we come up with when, you know, things are colder than usual and hotter than usual.

00:51:41.460 That's how we get our averages. It's basic math. So extreme weather is something that is very normal for

00:51:46.840 human beings. And yes, the level of chemicals all around us is difficult or is different than it

00:51:51.860 has been in the past, but Oh my goodness, you are just fine. In fact, you need to be outside. You

00:51:57.680 need to be getting sunlight. You need to be getting fresh air and exercise. So the more that the Taylor

00:52:03.200 Lorenzo's to your point, Megan at the New York times, um, are, are huddling together, freaking out and

00:52:08.760 finding new reasons, uh, that they can get off of work or work from home, whatever it is, probably just a big

00:52:14.520 excuse for them to have another excuse not to take the subway. Um, but all of this is just a nonsense.

00:52:20.700 You're fine. In fact, you should be outside. It's so silly. There was another, like you go outside,

00:52:26.280 it's really hot. It feels unsafe. You, then you go back in and you say, honey, you're not going to go

00:52:30.660 to tennis practice today. It's two. That's it. You don't have the 27 indexes on your phone. Like I've

00:52:36.420 got to check. I've got to do my calculations, right? It's like this sort of fear culture, Eliana. It's,

00:52:41.960 it's everywhere. The best was there was another piece in the times last week. Um, the headline

00:52:48.840 was in Florida swimmers, brave an ocean that feels like steamy syrup. And they went saying how awful

00:52:56.140 this was. And then talk to the people at the beach and the comments from the people at the beach were

00:53:00.640 one said, I like it warm. Another said this is as close as America gets to paradise. There's something

00:53:07.640 quite special here. It's peaceful. And they go on and on and no one at the beach knows what the

00:53:13.320 times reporters are talking about. Um, it is incredible. Sounds about right. Well, then you

00:53:19.300 get, um, in another example of this, do you guys remember maybe our audience does too, if they

00:53:24.520 waste their time on Twitter, like the three of us probably do. Um, there's this professor,

00:53:29.260 Peter Hotez, who a couple of weeks ago, he refused, he, he ripped on RFK jr. To, to high heaven about

00:53:37.720 his COVID claims. And then RFK jr. Said, why don't you come on and debate me? You know, we can do it

00:53:43.280 on Joe Rogan. We can do it at any venue of your choice. Let's. And then Joe Rogan said to this

00:53:47.300 professor, I'll give a hundred thousand dollars to the charity of your choice if you do it. And this

00:53:51.560 guy refused, right? Cause it's totally different. If you're even Max Kendi, it's one thing to sit in

00:53:56.520 front of an auditorium that's in the palm of your hand. It's another to have Coleman Hughes there

00:54:00.320 provide presenting actual facts, you know, which is he's refused to debate Coleman among others.

00:54:04.980 And same thing for this Hotez, who's this COVID lunatic, um, who refused to debate RFK jr. So he

00:54:11.020 tweeted out this, this weekend, this is not about the hysterical New York times article, but it was

00:54:16.160 about the Barbie Oppenheimer movies, which dominated the box office and, you know, record numbers at the

00:54:23.680 fourth largest combined opening or like weekend at the box office ever. He tweets out the following

00:54:29.420 not to be a Debbie Downer, but anyone worried about a post Barbie box office COVID bump or post

00:54:37.400 oppi will probably never know since no one seems to be keeping track of such things anymore.

00:54:42.960 Keep up with your boosters and find a pink N95 or can 95. If you can.

00:54:47.480 These people were advising like on COVID and being listened to by the lunatics at CNN and probably in

00:54:58.120 the Dr. Fauci circles as well. Right. It's like it is a certain level of fear porn that many Americans

00:55:03.700 are still living with. Emily. Yeah, it's totally fear porn. And actually, even on the climate issue,

00:55:08.980 I've seen over the last month some horrible coverage. And actually, it happens every year

00:55:13.160 where by some metric, you'll have the media and people in the climate community proclaiming that

00:55:18.880 this is the hottest summer on record. And you look at the record and regularly in the media coverage,

00:55:25.340 they have this like the charts I've seen on Axios like a couple of times. They're measuring it either

00:55:29.480 since 1979 or since the late 19th century. So like 1870s, when we started like gauging global

00:55:37.040 temperature, which is first of all, it's a sketchy metric to begin with. But second of all,

00:55:41.420 in the last 150 years in an earth, a planet that is so vastly older than that is just insane.

00:55:51.180 And again, it's it's beyond it bleeds, it leads. It's because you actually have in these newsrooms,

00:55:56.160 it's a really serious like psychological personality thing. You do have newsrooms full of Taylor Lorenz

00:56:00.560 is maybe not on the full, you know, you never go full Lorenz, maybe not fully on that scale. But you do

00:56:06.000 have people who were raised, you know, they're my age, they were raised in like the victim culture,

00:56:10.940 the helicopter parent culture. And so this is where they find their meaning. And they can't let

00:56:15.740 go of COVID. They can't let go of climate change, no matter what the facts say, because it's an

00:56:19.560 emotional, like psychological attachment to that. Mm hmm. This guy, Hotez Eliana, we've been following

00:56:25.620 him for a while, as he's one of those COVID misinformation purveyors, exactly what he accuses

00:56:31.280 RFK Jr. of being. Debbie Murphy actually pulled this for one of our segments. We never ran it. But here's

00:56:37.080 a little bit of this guy, Hotez, who wants us all to wear our pink and 95 masks in the wake of the

00:56:42.900 Barbie oppie COVID bump he's expecting. People listen to this lunatic. Here, take a listen to him.

00:56:50.700 This is going to be a long lasting vaccine, a long lasting vaccine. A few moments later,

00:56:55.820 we're seeing that two doses is not holding up well for emergency room visits is not holding up well for

00:57:02.620 hospitalizations. Here we are again. Again. Everyone's going to need a booster. You need

00:57:08.560 that third immunization. Triple the amount. Get that third immunization. The two mRNA vaccines were

00:57:13.580 always a three dose vaccine. The two mRNA vaccines were always a three dose vaccine. I've always said

00:57:18.920 this is a three dose vaccine. I've always said this is a three dose vaccine. This is a three dose vaccine.

00:57:24.440 But I'm not done yet. That third immunization. The problem is it's not holding up. Dr. Hotez,

00:57:30.880 but you are a national treasure. It's repeated. Thank you for saving the world.

00:57:35.860 It's amazing. Matt Taibbi put that together. It's so I realize people are over COVID. You know,

00:57:42.180 I'm cheap among them. But it is like people like this still have some cachet online. They still have

00:57:48.540 followers who believe in them. There actually probably will be people wearing pink Barbie masks

00:57:52.640 now because they're worried about the post Barbie bump because this guy continues to get featured

00:57:56.520 on the correct platforms that don't get censored because they're not engaged in the disinformation

00:58:02.100 business like RFK Jr. or any of the COVID skeptics.

00:58:08.220 I do think, you know, somebody like that may get attention in corners of the Internet,

00:58:14.400 but by and large, people like you and me and Emily and and the American public are not

00:58:21.280 paying these people mind, even if they appear on CNN. The country really has moved on from COVID.

00:58:28.520 And all in all, like I do think it would be healthy if if people debated. I wish we had smarter

00:58:36.100 debaters and people presenting themselves for public debates than Hotez and RFK Jr. But I do think it

00:58:43.780 would be healthy if our public authorities or people who wished to be in those sorts of positions

00:58:50.080 submitted and subjected themselves to scrutiny and debate. And I think the problem with a lot of what

00:58:56.520 happened in COVID is that they didn't do that and simply operated as if what they said should be the

00:59:05.220 standards by which the American public lived their lives. And and they refuse to to answer questions

00:59:11.720 to or to account for for what they were saying. OK, now on the subject of Barbie and Oppenheimer,

00:59:19.220 I haven't seen either movie, but my God, there was a lot of coverage over of these two movies.

00:59:24.200 And what I understand about Barbie in particular is kind of interesting because they're saying that

00:59:30.340 they've made her into sort of this modern day feminist hero. But maybe it's not quite as on the

00:59:37.020 nose, as you might expect. But the real main message of the movie is that men and women don't

00:59:42.520 need each other. There's some sort of problem with men and women being with each other. And

00:59:48.260 men are bad. Men are at the root of all evil. This is how Ben Shapiro saw it in an event. We have a bit

00:59:53.560 of his objections where he actually burned a Barbie queued up. For those of you who have not yet seen it.

01:00:00.520 For those of you who can't wait that long, I'm going to give my review of the Barbie movie in the

01:00:06.760 most Oppenheimer fashion.

01:00:10.640 What the f***? Run.

01:00:12.140 This movie is not just a piece of s***. This movie is a flaming piece of dog s*** piled atop an entire

01:00:29.280 dumpster on fire piled atop a landfill filled with dog s***. It is one of the worst movies I've ever

01:00:35.620 seen. The only thing that can be said for this film is production design. The basic sort of premise of

01:00:40.000 the film, politically speaking, is that men and women are on two sides and they hate each other.

01:00:44.560 And literally the only way you can have a happy world is if the women ignore the men and the men

01:00:48.440 ignore the women. What do you make of it, Emily? Because you you call cover culture for the

01:00:53.760 Federalist. I know you haven't seen it yet, but their early buzz about this movie is that they've

01:00:58.280 tried to reinvent Barbie as some sort of feminist hero, as opposed to the quintessential image of what

01:01:04.900 a woman should be, but never will be with the teeny tiny waist and the enormous boobs and the

01:01:09.520 forever legs and just basically a sex or beauty object. Yeah. The thing with Greta Gerwig movies,

01:01:16.040 she did Lady Bird and Little Women, is that like I think they're really easy for people to

01:01:21.520 place into the woke box, I think especially men. But then I think also there's usually more nuance to

01:01:29.220 it and it might not be nuanced that I necessarily agree with, but I think it is more thoughtful than

01:01:33.780 just this woke, non-woke binary. So I am curious about Barbie. I do think the production design

01:01:39.280 is not something that you can just sort of, like all respect to Ben, he has great takes on films.

01:01:44.360 I think that is like, even as somebody who hasn't seen the movie, I think that's probably one of its,

01:01:49.500 it might have some of the best production design that we've ever seen in Hollywood. Just from the

01:01:53.260 previews alone, you can see how much effort went into the aesthetic of the film. That looks remarkable.

01:01:58.180 And, you know, I know that it's sort of explicitly challenging the question of patriarchy and you

01:02:04.540 have Barbie kind of discovering patriarchy and Ken discovering patriarchy. And that feels

01:02:10.900 automatically like it's going to a bad place. But-

01:02:14.280 Well, they're touting it. I mean, the critics are touting it as a stunning takedown of toxic

01:02:18.240 masculinity. That's a bad sign. That's a bad sign. I will say that. Although it is,

01:02:24.000 if we can at least acknowledge, and this is something interesting that I've just seen from

01:02:28.200 interviews with Gerwig, et cetera. Like if we can acknowledge that there is a difference between

01:02:32.580 men and women and that a woman led government is different than a male led government, that is a

01:02:38.940 great starting place. Like if we can just at least concede sex differences, this movie is a masterpiece.

01:02:44.820 Right, right. Maybe it advanced that ball. To me, it's like, I'm looking forward to seeing,

01:02:50.200 I'll see it just for the sake of my audience too. And I like Margot Robbie. I think she's a

01:02:53.880 great actress. But it would dovetail perfectly, Eliana, with what we're seeing out of places like

01:03:00.940 Disney. The Snow White movie that they're coming out with now looks absolutely ridiculous. They've

01:03:07.380 gotten rid of six of the seven dwarves and replaced them with some cast of diverse, tall people. I guess

01:03:14.220 they really wanted to help the short people, the little people community by eliminating their roles.

01:03:18.800 This woman shown here is not the actual woman playing Snow White, but the woman playing Snow White

01:03:24.860 is named Rachel Zegler. And she and Gal Gadot, who plays the evil queen, were caught on the red

01:03:32.240 carpet. This is actually from September of 2022, but it's resurfaced now because the movie's coming out

01:03:37.960 talking about what we should expect from Snow White.

01:03:43.720 You said you were bringing a modern edge to it on stage. What do you mean by that?

01:03:47.900 I just mean that it's no longer 1937. And we absolutely wrote a Snow White that is not going

01:03:53.920 to be saved by the prince. She's not going to be saved by the prince. And she's not going to be

01:03:57.360 dreaming about true love. She's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be.

01:04:02.000 Oh, my God.

01:04:06.700 Nobody wants a movie about true love. What kind of woman do we want out there seeking true love,

01:04:11.500 Eliana? The outrage.

01:04:14.080 Yeah, I mean, these are supposed to be timeless. We don't we don't evolve beyond them.

01:04:20.320 Um, they're supposed to be timeless. But I will say, I mean, if Barbie's not trans in the in the

01:04:26.880 movie, like that's something in the in the Greta Gerwig column, right? Low bar. The bar is so low.

01:04:33.340 Yeah, it's so low. I'm not seeing the Barbie movie. I that's all. I don't have much on the

01:04:39.540 Barbie movie Oppenheimer. I'm very excited about. Yeah, I actually am looking forward to that,

01:04:44.360 too. And I think that that lead actor, we watched him in Peaky Blinders to the extent I could

01:04:48.040 handle Peaky Blinders is so violent. Eventually, I was like, I can't take any more of this.

01:04:52.060 But he's amazing. But I'm sick of them. Like what? You see how young these women are, you know,

01:04:57.700 like this woman, Rachel Zegler. She looks about 12 years old in that clip who plays the new Snow

01:05:02.220 White. And it really does seem to me that this is like a 19 year old version of feminism, right?

01:05:09.240 You've got to reject men. They have to be painted as toxically masculine. You have to spit on true love

01:05:15.280 like that is not a value that is universal that everyone aspires to well before they aspire to

01:05:20.500 leadership. Right. It's somehow they're mutually exclusive. By the way, you've got to get rid of

01:05:25.000 this. I guess the love storyline and focus more on how she wants to be what CEO of IBM. I mean,

01:05:30.660 like what's what Snow White's plan? I she's Snow White. She's like a princess. OK, whatever.

01:05:37.220 What are the dwarfs now? Are they like little helpers who are going to help her get like

01:05:40.920 her Harvard education, her Ph.D. at Harvard while she works out her Mensa IQ? I don't know.

01:05:46.080 Her executive assistants. Right. All of them. But that takes me to that takes me to

01:05:52.520 the U.S. women's soccer team who are suffering from all these same problems. I really do believe

01:05:58.420 their version of what a feminist is, what it means to be an empowered woman, at least as an American

01:06:03.280 woman, means to hate your country. It means to go out on the national stage and embarrass yourself

01:06:07.500 and your country by not singing the national anthem and for several of them not even holding

01:06:13.560 their hands over their hearts when the national anthem played. That was a bridge too far. They

01:06:17.980 couldn't be bothered to actually place their hand on their heart when the national anthem played as

01:06:22.920 they stood out there representing you and me and the country and our military and people who have

01:06:28.980 given their lives for the country that they represent. It was too much of an effort, you see,

01:06:34.780 to place their hand over their heart or, God forbid, sing. Here's a clip of the disgrace that preceded

01:06:41.280 the opening of the World Cup.

01:06:42.560 I like this gal at the end, the blonde gal. I think that might be the gal from Arizona.

01:07:09.200 If you look at the roster, I mean, most of them are from California. Some are from New Jersey. Some

01:07:15.440 are from Massachusetts, but like all these liberal bastions. And there they are out there. And by the

01:07:20.420 way, Megan Rapinoe, too, she's on the team. She announced her retirement. She's not starting.

01:07:26.760 She didn't make the cut to start. Sorry. Sit on the sidelines. She said she'll never stand again

01:07:32.120 for the national anthem. So this is clearly, I think, as a result of her influence. And it's disgusting.

01:07:37.420 Emily, what do you think? Well, I didn't even realize that there was a Women's World Cup

01:07:42.540 happening. So first of all, thank you for breaking that news to me. But no, it's the culture of the

01:07:49.800 team. And it has come from Rapinoe. And it's not just the culture of the team. It's a culture of the

01:07:55.020 team that's reflecting the culture of younger Americans. And it's really, it is disrespectful

01:08:01.540 to people who put their lives on the line for the country. And it gets, I mean, I think,

01:08:07.340 why are you even playing on the team? Like it gets to this incoherence. They want to, they want the

01:08:11.760 money. They want the, the power or the acclaim that comes with being a part of the team. But they

01:08:18.200 actually don't want to represent the country. Like to me, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

01:08:22.440 Don't go on the team if you're ashamed and embarrassed of the country. Even if you dislike the

01:08:28.820 country. I mean, if you look at, for instance, what Frederick Douglass, his famous speech,

01:08:32.500 what he had to say about the 4th of July, even if, even if you are upset with the country,

01:08:36.620 even if you think the country is not living up to its potential, you can still be patriotic. But we

01:08:41.060 have this absurd binary that is overly simplistic that says you either absolutely hate America or you

01:08:47.900 love America and there's nothing in between. You can't hope for it to be a better country and still

01:08:53.140 be patriotic. It just has to be, I'm not patriotic at all. So I'm not, I'm just going to do this

01:08:58.300 performative nonsense, not actually even put my money where my mouth is, but because my self-esteem

01:09:04.240 is tied up in empty gestures, I'm going to have to do this empty gesture is it is incredibly

01:09:09.900 embarrassing. And it's just so stupid. They just are ungrateful. So Eliana, only five of the 11

01:09:16.920 players on the field stood for the anthem with their hands over their hearts. The other six did not

01:09:22.220 only three of our players, Julie Ertz, Alyssa Nair and Lindsay Horan sang along with the hundreds of

01:09:30.160 American supporters who are watching the stand. So good for those three, because that's an act of

01:09:34.140 defiance now to actually sing the national anthem when your loser teammates refuse to went to whom all

01:09:39.500 opportunities have been given. What an incredible opportunity stand out there representing the United States of

01:09:45.040 America in world cup soccer. And you can't be, you can't be shamed into at least feigning a touch of

01:09:53.180 patriotism. Meanwhile, we were playing against Vietnam who we beat three Oh, and look at the

01:09:59.600 Vietnamese. Look at them and how they sang their national anthem. Every single one of them has their

01:10:20.180 hand over their heart. Every single one of them is singing every single one. But, you know, we're

01:10:26.580 disgusting. I guess when it comes to human rights, this is what people like Rapinoe have said in the

01:10:30.180 past. So we can't be saluted in any way. Vietnam, a communist country, by the way, still a communist

01:10:38.220 country after the war. But what this brought to mind was Brittany Griner, the WNBA player who was

01:10:44.780 detained unjustly in Russia a couple of years ago. She protested the playing of the national anthem at WNBA

01:10:53.880 games before she was detained in Russia, and didn't stand. And when she came back, she did stand. And

01:11:01.560 she told the press, and I pulled up this article because I wanted to get her quote, right. She said,

01:11:08.480 hearing the national anthem, it definitely hit different. It's like when you go for the Olympics,

01:11:12.760 you're sitting there about to get the gold put on your neck, the flags are going up and the anthem is

01:11:16.900 playing, it just hits different. Being here today, it means a lot. And it made me wonder a couple of

01:11:22.020 things. One, is it really the case that our professional athletes now have to go be detained

01:11:28.840 in a foreign jail to come to appreciate the liberties that they have in this country? And

01:11:34.220 two, that it's a really sad reflection of the kind of education that our young people are getting today,

01:11:40.560 that they actually do have to experience despotism in order to have a basic appreciation of

01:11:49.400 how wonderful our country is.

01:11:53.020 Mm hmm. The this woman, Megan Rapinoe, is a problem. I mean, just last week, she was out there

01:11:57.920 saying, what's the matter with trans athletes playing against women? Where are all these trans

01:12:03.220 athletes who are taking away women's rights? Obviously, she's a dumbass who pays no attention

01:12:07.440 to the news. It would take about two minutes of a Google search, two seconds for you to come up with

01:12:12.960 a long list, which I read to her in part when she made that inane statement. But she said it back

01:12:19.060 before the twenty nineteen World Cup. She would probably she said, I would, quote, never put my

01:12:24.220 hand over my heart again, would never put my hand over my heart and I'll probably never sing the

01:12:29.340 national anthem again. You should be disqualified. You shouldn't be allowed to play on the team.

01:12:33.680 I'd rather have a lesser player out there who loves America. And this woman, rather than being shamed

01:12:38.220 right after the team, Emily, goes out there and that she is being lauded like she is some sort of

01:12:46.060 literal superhero. Look at this ad Nike had running during the World Cup, which we watched because my

01:12:53.780 daughter loves soccer and I bit my tongue because I'm trying not to ruin it for her with the politics

01:13:01.060 of these loser players. But look at this Nike ad about Megan Rapinoe.

01:13:05.380 Megan Rapinoe, Megan Rapinoe, Megan Rapinoe, Megan Rapinoe, Megan Rapinoe, the all-American hero.

01:13:25.220 She's a superhero, freaking hates America, but she's our superhero.

01:13:34.340 That's really embarrassing. I don't know anybody outside of the boardroom that was in charge of

01:13:40.800 that ad that would find that. Even children. When I was a young soccer player, we had Mia Ham. I mean,

01:13:46.900 how much better is that than Megan Rapinoe? And it does make a difference, by the way. It makes a

01:13:51.920 total difference as a young woman, how you see the world. It's very influential when your brain is

01:13:57.780 forming in these formative time periods. It really does change the way you see the world. So if we think

01:14:02.200 the generation of young reporters, for instance, that's right now lauding Megan Rapinoe is bad,

01:14:09.080 wait until the people that come after them, that grew up at a time with the Megan Rapinoes being

01:14:14.960 told by every cultural institution that this is somebody to lionize and to treat as a superhero.

01:14:22.420 Historically, there's just absolutely no perspective on how wonderful this country is.

01:14:28.020 She should leave the team and move to Cuba, move to Russia, move somewhere else if she thinks that

01:14:33.040 America is so bad that she, somebody who has been afforded all of these opportunities,

01:14:37.900 is living in a country that is just so miserable. By the way, she's also getting lauded and getting ad

01:14:45.020 money from major American corporations, lauded by a free press, which they don't have in other

01:14:50.760 countries. Even today, they don't have the free press that we have. People have different standards for

01:14:56.020 what qualifies as as patriotism, as free speech and all of that we still have in this country.

01:15:01.800 She is getting that because of the freedoms that she has afforded. She has no understanding of the

01:15:06.120 world. She has no understanding of history and she has no basic gratitude for the country that's given

01:15:10.000 her everything. Right. She hates America. I will boo her from my couch if she ever gets off the bench

01:15:16.900 and actually gets out there. She used to be a great soccer player. I don't know how she's doing now.

01:15:20.880 Um, but those girls need to represent this country. If they agree to represent this country,

01:15:26.160 that means standing tall and at a minimum, putting your hand over your heart. If you could

01:15:29.800 find it within yourself to actually muster a few words of the national anthem,

01:15:33.200 if you learned it ever in your young dumb ass lives, that'd be great. And don't tell me they

01:15:38.660 didn't have time because they're athletes, because athletes have time to memorize the one song that we

01:15:43.300 sing to honor. Yes, the America, the idea, but also it's fallen heroes and the sacrifices that have

01:15:49.600 been made. Then the principles that we stand for. Do we uphold them perfectly at all times? Have we

01:15:54.120 always in our history? Absolutely not. But we strive to more than any other country on earth.

01:15:58.040 And if you would spend two minutes doing some homework, you would know that. But you're too

01:16:01.600 busy lauding yourself in the Nike ads and cashing your million dollar checks to actually give a shit

01:16:06.860 about what this country you're out there representing stands for. Rant over. Stand by. Coming back.

01:16:13.600 We're going to talk about what's happening now with BLM getting paid out and the really unfair

01:16:18.960 attacks on Ron DeSantis and his Florida Board of Education. Don't go away.

01:16:27.120 So Ron DeSantis and his Florida Board of Education under fire today, which is kind of nothing new.

01:16:34.100 They're always attacking Ron DeSantis for his effort to stop wokeism from infecting curriculum down in

01:16:40.200 schools in Florida. The latest is he is being accused of basically saying slavery was a great thing.

01:16:48.960 It was highly beneficial. That's not at all what they've said in the Florida education

01:16:53.020 guidelines that needs to be taught in school. This is how the mainstream media reports it,

01:16:59.060 that the teachers must instruct that, quote, slaves developed skills, which in some instances

01:17:06.120 could be used for personal benefit. Developed skills, which in some instances could be used

01:17:13.000 for personal benefit. Now, Kamala Harris comes out and makes an emergency trip to Florida.

01:17:21.260 It was just like it was just like she did when the Tennessee three threw their antics,

01:17:25.420 you know, in Nashville, when they took the bullhorn out there and she went out there to talk about,

01:17:30.060 you know, this is the thing that really animates her racial disputes.

01:17:32.440 She comes out and she says that anyone could could suggest that in the midst of these atrocities

01:17:38.160 that there was any benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization. And she goes on from

01:17:44.840 there. All right. She's outraged. The left is outraged. The views out. Everybody's outraged

01:17:49.120 at Ron DeSantis and how the Florida Board of Education could do this. Well, cue Dr. William Allen,

01:17:55.180 who was on the African-American history standards work group that put together the lesson plans,

01:18:03.980 a group of African-Americans working on the history standards for Florida students and how

01:18:09.480 slavery ought to be taught. And if you look at the full thing and Charles C.W. Cook of National Review

01:18:13.160 treated at a whole thread on this, I mean, it's got all the horrors of slavery. There is no whitewashing

01:18:18.500 any of the horrors of slavery at all. Never mind Jim Crow and all of it that came later. But now he's

01:18:24.420 given an interview in response to what Kamala Harris and others are saying about this curriculum that

01:18:29.080 they developed in the open with everybody could could see it and participate while it was being

01:18:32.940 developed and listen to him. There's been a little bit of backlash to these standards that, you know,

01:18:40.320 were put out. And, you know, like you said that, you know, these were these were done in open

01:18:43.680 open sessions so the public could, you know, listen or watch along. You know, what would what would

01:18:51.220 you say to critics who say these standards have set education back?

01:18:57.040 Well, I can't answer critics whom I haven't seen or heard. The only criticism I've encountered so far

01:19:02.620 is a single one that was articulated by the vice president and which was an error. As I stated in

01:19:10.460 my response to the vice president, it was categorically false. It was never said that slavery

01:19:15.920 was beneficial to Africans. What was said, and anyone who reads this will see this with clarity,

01:19:23.340 it is the case that Africans proved resourceful, resilient and adaptive and were able to develop

01:19:31.460 skills and aptitudes which served to their benefit, both while enslaved and after enslavement.

01:19:39.180 It's unbelievable. When you hear the full context, what they're trying to say, they're trying to pay

01:19:47.140 a compliment to the spirit of these slaves who went through such brutality, but never lost their

01:19:54.520 resilience, many of them, but still found a way to persevere as humans and then post slavery to make

01:20:01.840 something out of the experience. They're not in any way trying to say it was a bed of roses. But if you were

01:20:07.360 to listen to Kamala Harris, Emily, you would think that. Yeah. And the media elevates some black voices

01:20:13.140 over other black voices. And they've done this for years. You have white liberals in the media who,

01:20:17.480 when a black voice comports with their narrative, that's the one that, you know, must be correct

01:20:23.120 and platformed. But when a black voice disagrees with them or is aligned with Ron DeSantis, I mean,

01:20:29.820 Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, people have been going through this for decades. I don't know how the hell

01:20:34.620 they put up with it. But, um, that's the same thing. If you, if you happen to be aligned with

01:20:39.060 Ron DeSantis, then, uh, context be damned. We will take you and we will, you know, fit it into

01:20:46.040 whatever we say. Any corrections that come out of this, by the way, will not be seen. Most people

01:20:50.640 will just see the story and it will further advance this idea that the media has been selling that Ron

01:20:55.400 DeSantis is just bringing white supremacy back to Florida, which is just so stupid and absurd. But it's

01:21:01.000 again, another Testament. The only reason that Kamala Harris gets away with this is because we

01:21:06.220 don't have a media that holds her to standards of seriousness that she deserves to be held to.

01:21:12.140 Instead, they act like partisans as well. Um, and they go and they use oppo research as though it's

01:21:17.780 not oppo research as though it's just all the truth. And then they let a vice president get away

01:21:22.060 with just talking out of her ass. Um, and for political reasons.

01:21:26.560 Here she is Eliana trying to stoke the racial fuel around this issue because it benefits her

01:21:34.800 politically. And like I said, this is the one thing that actually gets her animated,

01:21:38.780 whether it's trying to raise money for Jacob Blake or call him a hero or raise money for BLM

01:21:43.980 protesters or flying down to the Tennessee three who hijacked that proceeding legislative proceeding

01:21:49.560 or this, where she made an unscheduled trip to Florida so she could rail on Ron DeSantis.

01:21:54.280 Here she is. And while they do this, check it out. They push forward revisionist history.

01:22:05.280 Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught

01:22:10.620 that enslaved people benefited from slavery.

01:22:16.300 They insult us in an attempt to gaslight us and we will not stand for it.

01:22:22.280 She's such a liar. She's such a liar. Again, the actual sentence is slaves developed skills,

01:22:29.700 which in some instances could be used for personal benefit. And the preceding line,

01:22:35.660 as Dr. Allen points out, talks about how the African American community was resourceful,

01:22:43.280 resilient and adaptive under the most horrific circumstances. What do you make of it?

01:22:48.600 I actually encourage your viewers and listeners to go look at the primary source document here,

01:22:55.520 which is Florida State Academic Standards in Social Studies for 2023. And if you want a shortcut,

01:23:02.400 just control F for the word slavery and see if you think that the way Kamala Harris described

01:23:10.100 what Florida is teaching young people is accurate, that this is a whitewashing of slavery.

01:23:15.640 I think my interpretation of her comments is that they know that they are on the defensive

01:23:23.020 about what kids are learning in schools. And this is their attempt to push back on it. It is to

01:23:29.240 grossly distort what is actually being taught because they're losing. In the Florida standards,

01:23:37.020 it includes instruction as to how slavery was used in cultures around the world.

01:23:42.180 Um, the differences and similarities between serfdom and slavery, uh, judicial and legislative actions

01:23:49.620 concerning slavery. Uh, there are 95 references to slavery in this document and they have seized on

01:23:56.420 the one, um, that they believe can make Ron DeSantis look bad. And frankly, he should be pushing back

01:24:01.920 more strongly against it than he is. Um, but my view of this is just, um, that these are the comments

01:24:08.100 of a desperate politician. Hmm. Well, maybe I'll ask him about it when I sit with him later this week.

01:24:13.520 They're on the back foot here, um, because Republicans all over the country, uh, including

01:24:19.140 Glenn Youngkin in Virginia and Ron DeSantis in Florida, um, have ridden to victory on precisely

01:24:24.960 this issue. Um, the media may not be covering it. They may be covering it falsely, but parents know

01:24:30.360 that what their kids are learning in school, um, is crap. And they know that what is in this primary

01:24:36.880 document is better than what was there before. Mm-hmm. He's trying, this is all as a result of

01:24:41.960 his stop woke act, Emily, which has been, uh, struck down in the college level, but, uh, it's fine for

01:24:47.340 the K through 12 level because we do have more control as parents and administrators and state

01:24:51.260 lawmakers over what happens in the K through 12 agenda because they're children, uh, they're minors.

01:24:55.980 And, um, in that agenda, he has tried to remove what we've short formed as critical race theory

01:25:01.360 from these kids by law saying, you may not teach one race that it is inferior to another race or

01:25:08.080 that it is born with an original sin. Thanks to things that happened hundreds of years ago,

01:25:12.460 you may not do that, but you will teach the full horrors of slavery and its context. And you find,

01:25:19.140 you know, a diverse group of scholars to sit together and come up with a thoughtful lesson plan

01:25:23.540 that has one line talking about, uh, again, I view this as trying to pay homage to those slaves who

01:25:30.960 went through hell and yet managed to emerge out the other side. And, you know, some cases,

01:25:34.960 depending on when they lived, um, with, with some basic skills that they actually managed to apply,

01:25:41.500 right. To their work life. Um, but they take that out. There's a reason that they're not quoting the,

01:25:46.180 that, that they were resourceful and resilient and adaptive before the line that Kamala Harris and she

01:25:51.560 switched it to, they benefited. Like it was great. Everyone loved slavery. That's what Ron DeSantis

01:25:55.340 wants to teach. Uh, and to me, it's just, it's a continuation. Like the COVID lies that we talked

01:25:59.880 about earlier, the, the coverup for Hunter Biden. Now this, they've got to, everything is fucking

01:26:04.180 political for them. Everything is political. There's nothing based in truth. Exactly. That's the

01:26:09.680 thing. Like is politicians for years have been uncharitable and disingenuous and they've stretched

01:26:15.660 truths and outright lied. The difference is that the media has taken Kamala Harris's lie and Ron

01:26:22.280 DeSantis's opponents lie and cast it, framed it as the truth instead of being skeptical. And in fact,

01:26:27.700 critical of a politician that is stretching the truth. They've actually just accepted and swallowed

01:26:32.580 that narrative whole cloth. And this is where, again, the media, I come back to it over and over

01:26:37.440 again. I really think is the single biggest problem in American politics, because how are you supposed to,

01:26:41.700 as a voter, know what the hell is happening. If they are telling you this over and over and over

01:26:47.880 again, shamelessly. And it's such a despicable smear. The same thing with COVID you're smearing

01:26:53.440 people as grandma killers and racists. It's not smearing somebody as having a different position

01:26:59.680 on the tax code. You know, thinking the corporate tax rate should be a little bit lower. It's not that

01:27:04.440 kind of smear. You're smearing people as, as grandma killers and racists. It's just beyond the pale.

01:27:10.120 You're absolutely right, too. And Eliana Johnson, you are so right about Ron DeSantis should be out

01:27:15.080 there touting the fact that he's at odds with Kamala Harris. You can't pick a better person to

01:27:19.540 be at odds with as a Republican politician. She's dumb. She's wrong. She's dishonest. And she's picked

01:27:27.600 the wrong fight. So he should. I mean, if he wants to win, he's going to have to take off the gloves on

01:27:31.800 all of this stuff. Quick line on Black Lives Matter. Unbelievably, New York City has just agreed to pay

01:27:39.900 a nearly $14 million, $13.7 million settlement to the BLM protesters. Protesters, right? They're

01:27:47.380 protesters. They're not insurrectionists. They're not rioters. They're protesters because they claim

01:27:52.960 that their rights were violated in the George Floyd protests. Again, protests, quote unquote,

01:27:58.560 that they're getting something like 10 grand a person for up to almost 1400 people.

01:28:04.480 Uh, they claim that they were subjected to pepper spray used indiscriminately batons in some cases,

01:28:13.420 and that they used crowd control tactics like kettling, which involves encircling protesters.

01:28:18.480 So they're unable to leave a contained area. Some of these protests devolved in New York

01:28:23.960 into looting and rioting. According to the city lawyers, they set police cars ablaze. They vandalized

01:28:31.160 precinct houses. They threw rocks, bricks, bottles at cops. They stabbed, punched, and bit officers.

01:28:37.780 They hurled Molotov cocktails at them. But the police officers will be getting no such payments

01:28:43.880 from the poor little protesters. I just want to speak to that quickly because I covered the protests

01:28:51.720 here in D.C. And what I saw night after night was especially coming from some white protesters who

01:28:58.900 were shouting in the faces of, in other cases, black female protesters, calling them the most

01:29:05.020 unbelievable names, um, and threatening them. The protesters were constantly in the face of the police

01:29:11.480 officers who stood there stoically. And I'm not somebody who reflexively takes the police side in every

01:29:16.020 different conversation because I think they can abuse government power. Uh, but at the same time,

01:29:20.420 what those protests put on display was how, why we don't have good police forces in so many of these

01:29:26.180 cities because absolutely nobody, nobody wants to work for the departments in places here like

01:29:30.740 Washington, D.C., where they can't recruit any police officers anymore because they were being treated

01:29:35.240 this way. And now New York City is giving settlements to the people who were conducting themselves this

01:29:41.000 way, putting themselves in these situations, creating these cauldrons of tension. Um, so it is just,

01:29:47.100 it is completely sad and it's not going to make anybody any safer.

01:29:50.700 I think it would go Eliana if somebody who was there on January 6th, but didn't participate in

01:29:56.580 the actual riot said, I'm going to sue these Capitol police for kettling, making me feel

01:30:03.200 enclosed in a circle that I didn't want to stay in. I think they'd get 10 grand ahead. Oh wait,

01:30:08.840 no. All those people are looking at 25 years in jail right now where they've been kept in solitary

01:30:13.060 since Jan 6th and president Trump may be the next. I realize they're not exactly the same thing,

01:30:18.760 but they're close enough that it's a disturbing situation.

01:30:24.160 More than anything, I think it sends the, it incentivizes the wrong kind of behavior. We

01:30:30.900 really don't want to be incentivizing the kind of, um, looting and civil unrest that we saw, um,

01:30:37.360 in those protests. And, um, this sort of action does, I think, send the wrong message. We don't want

01:30:42.520 to incentivize the kind of behavior that we saw either, um, on January 6th or in the Black Lives Matter

01:30:47.400 protests. So, um, the, the payouts are unfortunate in this case. All right, let's end on a hopeful

01:30:55.360 note. Yesterday was my son's 10th birthday. Happy birthday, Thatcher. And, uh, whenever we have a

01:31:01.380 birthday, we do rosebud thorn, where you look back at the past year, you say what your rose was,

01:31:05.300 what your thorn was, and then you offer your bud for the upcoming year, like what you hope for.

01:31:10.440 So let's end on a bud. My bud for today is the termination of DEI head Tyrion Steinbeck,

01:31:19.580 who is at Stanford and has now quote resigned, but they basically booted her out, um, because

01:31:24.560 she's the one who accosted the fifth circuit judge who was invited to speak by the Federalist Society.

01:31:29.920 And she got up there and hijacked the whole event after her unruly students tried to shout this poor

01:31:34.660 guy down who had been invited there to offer his perspective. This is the adult in the room who

01:31:39.720 was supposed to bring order. And instead she decided to make herself a DEI star. She's now

01:31:45.760 out at Stanford law, which I love, but here's just a little refresher on what Tyrion Steinbeck was saying,

01:31:52.560 uh, when judge Duncan appeared out there. South five.

01:31:57.000 I'm uncomfortable because this event is tearing at the fabric of this community that I care about.

01:32:02.480 And I'm here to support. And I don't know, and I have to ask myself, and I'm not a cynic to ask this,

01:32:08.700 is the juice worth the squeeze? Your advocacy, your opinions from the bench land as absolute

01:32:16.500 disenfranchisement of their rights and does land. Let me keep saying that for many people here,

01:32:25.660 your work has caused harm. And I understand why people feel like the harm is so great that we

01:32:32.320 might need to reconsider those policies. And luckily they're in a school where they can learn

01:32:36.740 the advocacy skills to advocate for those changes. Ha ha. She got basically booted out.

01:32:45.040 And I love it because if that can happen at a school like Stanford, where the administration wound up

01:32:49.540 saying you were wrong, madam, you guys had no business doing this to an invited guest here on

01:32:54.080 Stanford law school, then it can happen anywhere. This is a shoot of grass. It is a bud and it makes

01:32:59.840 me very happy. Emily thoughts. Yeah, no. And I think another one is what we were talking about

01:33:05.200 with Barbie Oppenheimer, and then you can connect it to the national anthem, the women's soccer team,

01:33:09.500 and that we used to have monoculture. There used to be some basic points of consensus in our society,

01:33:13.820 basic building blocks. And when you have these like crazy monster box office numbers, uh, for both

01:33:19.660 movies, you know, a hundred and even like sound of freedom is still in there. Mission impossible

01:33:23.140 still in there. Um, that means we're all like actually still having some touchstones. And so

01:33:28.120 hopefully we can get to a place of, of, uh, having some basic monoculture, being able to agree on the

01:33:33.440 national anthem and, you know, making it shameful for people who don't agree on that, but also just

01:33:37.820 sharing some things in our culture, um, that can bring us together. I love that she actually stood up

01:33:43.100 there purporting to be defending free speech, but then asked for a revisitation of the free speech

01:33:48.260 policy because really the free speech was very annoying that this judge could be sitting there.

01:33:52.500 I mean, it's not easy to get a fifth circuit judge to come to your law school and speak,

01:33:56.640 but judge Duncan did it. And this was the treatment he got. And it's amazing. It is a true victory,

01:34:02.620 Eliana for sanity that this woman is no longer with Stanford. It's a victory against the nonsense

01:34:08.920 DEI policies against people who use this ruthlessness to enforce them and trample on free speech in the,

01:34:16.360 in the process. And truly Stanford is no conservative institution. So I do see hope.

01:34:22.940 Well, we were talking about incentives and I think this sends a real, um, message to, um,

01:34:29.540 DEI and students at other schools that, um, the incentive structure hopefully has changed and that

01:34:35.420 DEI will not be, um, hopefully will not be synonymous with intolerance and shouting down of,

01:34:42.220 um, conservative views, which in many cases we've seen at Stanford and at Yale at other places,

01:34:48.120 it really has been. So hopefully, you know, Stanford three cheers to them for sending the

01:34:52.820 message that, um, this is not okay. Yeah, this is not okay. And as it turns out, the juice was

01:35:00.220 definitely worth the squeeze because she got booted and he is still on the fifth circuit court of appeals.

01:35:06.000 And I'm sure willing to speak at Stanford now at any point. Um, so good for all involved,

01:35:12.120 Emily Eliana. So great to see you. Thank you. Love having the EJs on. Uh, I wanted to tell you

01:35:17.720 that tomorrow we have a first time guest on the program, Ali London. He is an amazing follow on

01:35:23.500 Twitter. If you haven't already, Ali London and his life story is incredible. He has been on the front

01:35:29.360 lines of all this gender madness. He doesn't care who comes for him. You're not going to want to miss

01:35:34.100 this. We will see you then. Oh, by the way, by the way, if you have a question that you would like

01:35:39.000 me to ask governor Ron DeSantis, when I sit down with him later this week, email me Megan at Megan

01:35:44.000 kelly.com. Okay. Go there now. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 24, 2023

New Hunter Corruption Revelations, Biden's Short Stairs, and Barbie's Message, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 593

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