Dr. Drew Pinsky joins us on The Megynkelley show to talk about a new viral clip showing Joe Biden fumbling with his teleprompter. Plus, the New York Times has abandoned Joe Biden. And California Gov. Gavin Newsom is gearing up for a potential 2024 run.
00:13:42.100You like you said, when with your lawyer, lawyer, legal colleagues, you could step down to levels of care that that, you know, where you are at least being supervised or structured or, you know, the mental acuity that you would need at 35 is not the same at 75.
00:13:57.000It's a kind of an easy thing to do in professional life.
00:14:00.420It's not an easy thing to do when you're the leader of the free world.
00:14:03.620And it really begs the issue for me that it's it's was obvious to me from the beginning we would be dealing with this and people were actually accusing him of dementia and Parkinson's and this.
00:14:14.940I thought, no, I really didn't see any evidence that maybe some minimal cognitive change, but I really saw just normal aging, which is what we're talking about here.
00:14:24.280And if you notice a lot of the rhetoric coming out of the White House is addressing this issue, which begs the issue, who is making the decision, who is really doing the analysis here?
00:14:35.260And how are these decisions being made with someone that is maybe not, you know, processing the way we would like him to?
00:14:41.780And they've started trying to get ahead of that.
00:14:43.720It seemed to be I've heard a lot of stuff coming out.
00:16:27.820I can't I don't know the exact age, but he's late 40s, early 50s.
00:16:31.660And Gavin Newsom's saber rattling about possibly getting in.
00:16:36.780I mean, that's obviously why he ran this ad, took out an ad in Florida, ran it on Fox News, attacking DeSantis.
00:16:41.940And attacking Florida and saying in California they stand for freedom.
00:16:46.140And look, I get that he thinks that'll that'll be a winning move with Democrats.
00:16:51.300And he's sort of this slick, perfect haired, good looking politician that, you know, to Democrats might look a little like, oh, it's the next JFK.
00:17:00.360You know, he's a progressive and he's when you take a hard look at California, because that's what would happen if he actually ran and took on Joe Biden and managed to beat Joe Biden for the nomination.
00:17:10.240And then was up against the Republicans.
00:17:12.420People are going to take a hard look at the record of California.
00:17:21.360Both of both cities have either just recalled their DAs or are in the process of trying to recall their DA because crime is so out of control.
00:17:39.040But there's another piece of this that people don't that us in California have looked at for a time and have been very upset about is he comes down on the populace with his emergency.
00:19:24.820I do want to talk about California, obviously.
00:19:27.020But what you said reminded me of Gavin Newsom's latest hypocrisy, which is he banned any state-funded travel by the legislature or so on to basically red states.
00:19:39.120Right. And Montana was one of them because he doesn't think their values aligned.
00:19:43.540It doesn't want taxpayer dollars going into those states.
00:19:45.540Well, guess where he just took his vacation?
00:22:39.420Then we don't enforce any laws on the homeless.
00:22:42.060I just tweeted a thing from a physician who during the beach closure closures, which was one of the most really in the sign of the level in competency going on during the heat of the covid crisis.
00:22:54.300They should have encouraged people to go to the beach.
00:23:01.780It's disgusting incompetence behind those decisions.
00:23:04.520But anyway, I retweeted a physician who during that April closure went out, pretended to be homeless so the police wouldn't bother him so he could go out and walk on the beach without a mask.
00:23:58.200But anyway, but that's all no physicians involved.
00:24:00.600If there were a hospital where six people were dying a day and you were doing nothing to change that and no physicians were involved in the care of these people.
00:24:30.280We have no ability to bring people in.
00:24:32.540The Blanchement Pest for Short Act has been eviscerated.
00:24:35.180So we can't bring people in against their will.
00:24:37.360And when you're drug addicted and when you're severely psychotic and when you're on meth, you have something called anisognosia, which blocks your ability.
00:24:45.040It's a neurological phenomenon that blocks the ability to perceive what's happening to you.
00:25:34.580We've seen that with some of these school shooters lately where they just say I was joking and they get out in there and then we see what happens later.
00:25:41.120So San Francisco, can we talk about this for a second?
00:25:45.300They just recalled their D.A., but the homelessness there.
00:25:47.780I mean, it's why Schellenberger wrote that book, San Francisco, sicko.
00:25:51.020And when he was on a few months ago, he talked about this taxpayer funded center where you could go and you could basically get your illegal drugs.
00:26:02.340You could get your you get your needles.
00:26:04.360And it was it became like a safe haven for druggies.
00:26:08.820And this this activist, this is a person named Ricky Wynn, 37, self-described recovering addict who now sees the problems happening in that city.
00:26:21.020And now Ricky posts videos of open air drug markets and piles of garbage and the needles that are left behind.
00:26:28.620And this the latest video from Ricky shows children, elementary school children walking past dozens of sickly users nodding out on the sidewalk.
00:27:34.420Even San Francisco's London, London Breed, the mayor, had to admit disaster.
00:27:39.900It was, I think, 19 million of taxpayer cash put into this.
00:27:43.360They treated one one in every one thousand users.
00:27:45.920They failed to cut the fatal overdose numbers.
00:27:48.480It was a complete and utter disaster, as so many predicted it would be.
00:27:52.560These light on crime look the other way, like fund drug habit policies have fallen through in every single instance in which they've been tried.
00:28:42.380It has a persistent, erosive effect on the brain and body.
00:28:46.740So the thinking, the ability to fight off infection, all these things get worse and it ends in death.
00:28:54.360It's a progressive illness, opiate addiction, opioid use disorder, particularly a progressive illness that ends in death.
00:29:02.500Now, there are risk reduction measures and harm avoidance measures that have some utility and can be used in cases that can't, you know, can't be reasonably safely brought to full recovery.
00:30:07.680And London Breed can condemn this all she wants, but, you know, the voters are going to ultimately be asked whether she should be held accountable for these policies.
00:30:14.620You know, whether it's the crime in San Francisco or the homelessness or what these kids are walking home past, whether she should be held accountable for that or not.
00:30:23.480And it won't, it won't just be London Breed.
00:30:26.100All right, much, much more with Dr. Drew after a very quick break.
00:30:35.100One of the things that we need to talk about is what's been in the news lately, and that is all these school shooters and the mass shootings.
00:31:34.940You're encouraging, as Gavin DeBecker would later describe it to me, sort of the loner loser staying at home who's a, quote, a nobody, into recognizing they could be famous.
00:31:46.320They don't care about infamous versus fame.
00:31:49.440This isn't exactly what Jordan says in this clip, but he is sort of getting into the psychology behind the mass shooter in a way that I think is interesting.
00:31:56.380And I wanted to ask you what you think.
00:31:58.740My understanding of their psychology is that they're resentful, they're low down on the status hierarchy, they're not attractive to potential mates, they're not necessarily very popular, and they don't have a lot of hope for attaining any of that in the future.
00:32:20.660So they're very, very frustrated by that lowly position.
00:32:25.560And that makes them angry, it makes them resentful.
00:32:28.280Then it starts to generate compensatory fantasies, which would be, well, I'll do something, I'll show them, I'll show them, I'll show them.
00:32:35.460I'm going to be famous, everybody's going to know who I am.
00:32:38.280And then they drift, and they drift into, they can drift into these violent fantasies.
00:32:43.900Sometimes that's motivated also by thoughts of direct revenge, because they've been bullied and they've been pushed around.
00:32:49.260And so they have reasons to be angry, let's say.
00:32:53.120No, I'm not saying any of this is justified, by the way, I'm just saying how it works.
00:32:56.820And then they brood for months, weeks, months, and years, developing these fantasies of violence.
00:33:04.220But more importantly, focusing on the consequences for notoriety of the violent act.
00:33:11.280Even though it's notorious, it's hatred, the idea is, I'd rather be dead and infamous than alive and anonymous.
00:33:28.500The notoriety piece, I have not noticed as much.
00:33:31.300And again, we're talking about the kinds of shooters we have seen of late.
00:33:35.600There is another layer in here, though, which troubles me greatly, which is, you know, remember the Denver shooter that he thought he was the Joker?
00:33:46.440He was a neuroscience student who became psychotic, who was referred to a psychiatrist, referred to the school system that is supposed to capture people that are mentally ill.
00:33:56.100And, of course, the system said, oh, he's just fine.
00:34:20.980And behind a lot of the shooters is a similar kind of thinking to what Jordan Peterson was talking about, which is resentment, revenge, violent fantasies that finally become compelling to them.
00:34:33.960Notoriety, I suspect, is just sort of the last piece.
00:34:37.860It's not the fundamental piece, but it's the piece that allows them to say to themselves, it'll be fine because they'll all know that I'm showing them.
00:34:45.920It'll be it'll be known widely that I was angry.
00:34:48.620And I don't know what we do about that, because whether it's suicide or cutting or eating disorders or shooting, they all have a contagion.
00:34:57.360Most as with most human, any human behaviors, like extreme behaviors, they have a contagion potential.
00:35:03.360What do you what do you make of Jordan saying is if you look at the expanded remarks, he thinks if the news media would stop putting them on TV and saying the names that the school shootings would, quote, stop.
00:35:22.240I think it's very helpful because he's right that it seems like that piece does play a motivational role.
00:35:27.680But I listen, just just Parkland and Denver, those were totally psychotic kids that really were not even thinking about those sorts of things at the time.
00:35:38.480They were too psychotic to be thinking about that.
00:35:40.320Or they would have rolled in some other motivation that would have made sense to them at the time.
00:35:45.300But I do think that the the Highland Park shooter.
00:35:50.200Yeah, I think there might have made a difference.
00:36:05.140Reportedly in 2002, left him in the car when he was two for nearly 30 minutes on an 80 degree day, she was charged for that.
00:36:14.500He lived and it's unclear whether that hot car incident left him with any physical or mental injuries.
00:36:19.920But they also add that police were called to this family's home 10 times in response to reports of domestic violence in which the mother allegedly attacked the husband one time with a screwdriver, one time hit him in the head with a shoe after he berated her looks.
00:36:38.620Physical disputes on and on between the mother and father, including one drunken altercation.
00:36:44.280And yeah, again, this is where he the dad claimed she had hit him in the head with her shoe and she she told police he had disrespected and belittled her.
00:36:52.940The husband had by making disparaging remarks about her appearance, comments she claimed spurred her to drink.
00:36:59.080Then there's a report from September of 2019 showing that the shooter, then 18, confessed that he had threatened to kill everyone in his family.
00:37:10.100And somehow this brought law enforcement into his life.
00:37:12.500I don't know if he was reported for it, but he told cops he had been depressed when he made the threats three days prior and nothing came of it.
00:37:20.900I assume you're not surprised to hear domestic violence in his past drinking, heavy drinking by the mother, an incident in the car, the hot car, neglect and so on.
00:37:30.440I have a million thoughts, but the most disturbing is that people that have overt thoughts of fantasy with a plan.
00:37:36.960I don't think they should have access to firearms for specified periods of time and they should be highly supervised and that supervision should be mandated.
00:37:47.500And the fact that we don't do that is is how people are going to die, including the patients, including the individuals themselves.
00:37:53.040There's there's a very close association between homicide and suicide.
00:37:56.820You know, you just don't care about life.
00:37:59.100Yeah, I've got I've got a million thoughts about this.
00:38:01.360You know, when it comes to, you know, it's been 35 years working in a psychiatric hospital, even though I'm an internist, I worked in that setting for many years.
00:38:07.940And I would say, generally speaking, because we argue all day about the mom was had something going on and whether that was an inherited thing that the kid got.
00:38:16.160But in general, I would say about in general, when it comes to mental health issues, it's about 60 percent is genetic and about 40 percent is environment.
00:38:24.900And usually the environment is necessary to sort of trigger the genetic potential.
00:38:29.220And only recently in the last 15 years or so has the medical community been talking about adverse childhood experiences.
00:38:36.440We finally came up with a study out of Kaiser in California that showed, guess what?
00:38:40.540If you have three or more adverse childhood experiences, your probability of measurable severe mental health consequences and physical health consequences go up dramatically.
00:38:50.280Well, what's an adverse childhood experience?
00:38:52.080Things that we're in denial about, frankly, a divorce be a family member in law enforcement.
00:38:57.320C, a family member using drugs or alcohol.
00:39:01.480D, whether or not there's any domestic abuse, let alone domestic violence in the home.
00:39:31.580I totally agree with you that these people not only should not have access to guns, people who have identified as potential shooters and who have said, I want to I want to kill my entire family.
00:39:39.760Or as we saw in the Uvalde case, I want to kill.
00:39:43.460I want to kill everybody at my school.
00:39:44.580Um, so we need we need a system that institutionalizes those young men.
00:39:52.000They're almost I can't think of a situation in which it was anything other than a young man in the school's setting.
00:40:22.660And I don't I whether they are reinstated, I guess, is up to the patient and the physician to determine that.
00:40:29.360And how we would then go about that is is a very complex issue.
00:40:33.760Well, the gun issue, I mean, that that that can be up to the legislatures.
00:40:37.300And I feel like at some point, instead of this, like, random legislation that may or may not get to the actual shooters, we do need focused.
00:40:44.100You know, they call it focused protection on COVID, the Great Barrington.
00:40:46.840And we need focused institutionalization for these people.
00:42:13.000So at least, at least AOT, some sort of mandated care once you get into trouble.
00:42:20.860Then for those who are not yet in trouble, we need to have some ability to find motivational sources and family input to get them in.
00:42:30.560In California right now, back to the craziness in my state, when you go, families go to the state all the time begging the state to allow them to have the ability
00:42:40.520to get their family member off the street and bring them home and give them a bed of food and a medical system that they're ready to provide for them.
00:42:56.000Who are you to say how they should live?
00:42:57.800Not understanding that when somebody is sick, the brain doesn't work right and not even allow families to come in and help out to me is disgusting.
00:43:07.520Oh, well, and I mean, then you've got situations like this.
00:43:11.220This guy's family, the one I just went through, the one who shot a parade in Highland Park, where you got the dad helping him get his license for his firearm after knowing that he was suicidal, that he was potentially homicidal.
00:43:25.620I mean, that's disgusting that that we really should have a talk about whether we expand the criminal law in a way that would get a dad like that, just so that there's there's skin in the game.
00:43:33.260Apparently, the thought of mass deaths isn't enough.
00:43:36.900Maybe if his own hide was on the line, he'd behave differently.
00:43:40.380And oftentimes the parents, if you look at Sandy Hook, parent ends up dead because she didn't treat the kid, didn't mandate, didn't get him into care.
00:44:53.400So psychopaths at their core, they have difficulty experiencing the content of other people's minds.
00:44:59.820They don't really appreciate that you have feelings or when it's sort of more sociopathic and not psychopathic, they don't care that your mind has content.
00:45:12.240But if it serves them, if they get their needs met, they can learn to be extremely moral and rigidly so because they don't have the usual sort of emotional sensibility about morality that the rest of us do.
00:45:25.000It's a very cognitive, rigid organization for them.
00:45:28.980And they sort of set their compass and they can be very rigid about it, provided that they find that it serves their needs.
00:45:37.180So there is some potential to help these people.
00:45:40.180But most of that really needs to be done early, to be fair.
00:45:44.600So if you because I know, I mean, I've interviewed these parents who give birth to children they know are sociopaths, like have absolutely no empathy and maybe potential psychopaths and are torturing the family cat.
00:45:55.820But are you telling me, like, in the hands of the right parent, such a child could be programmed to be rigidly moral and, you know, to make only good decisions?
00:46:05.720Specifically can't say it as you've constructed it.
00:46:08.560What I can say is there appears to be some environmental component that would help move somebody in that direction.
00:46:16.360There are many I'm not going to name names because it's going to it would be too much.
00:46:20.260Like, but but I have talked to psychopath experts that pointed a few of our former presidents ago.
00:46:54.020You know, when he was police commissioner in New York City, wandered the streets at night and beat up criminals on his own.
00:46:59.580It was manic, crazy, narcissistic stuff.
00:47:02.560And yeah, so you kind of you want it for your fighter pilots.
00:47:06.000You want it for your general sometimes.
00:47:08.260And sometimes you want it for your president.
00:47:09.860So it's not when you make these assessments, that's why I always said about assessing the the the psychological construct of presidents and their personality makeup.
00:47:18.500Be careful. You may want some of that on board.
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00:48:33.720And in fact, in that New York Times Siena College poll, they showed that COVID is now the top issue for exactly one percent of those polled.
00:48:42.240Again, these are Democrats, just one percent.
00:48:44.120So I'm hoping that it won't resurrect itself, you know, in any meaningful way come fall.
00:48:50.800But it's starting to in the more blue, blue, blue cities like L.A. and New York.
00:49:50.420Well, I think it's important that we all have a certain amount of humility when we talk about COVID, because this this thing is nefarious and it changes.
00:49:56.800And, you know, it's very hard to predict what's going on.
01:09:40.980So if there is indeed some sort of shifting in the academic standards, you will eventually see it out there in the workforce as well.
01:09:48.640But the main thing for me, this challenge in medicine, and as Victor says, airline pilots, for another example,
01:09:56.240really puts the whole wokeism thing to the test, like lowering standards when it comes to someone who literally has lives in his or her hands.
01:10:05.980I mean, who I'm not in favor of who's in favor of that.
01:10:09.960But Megan, look what we've done to medicine anyway.
01:10:12.060So here's what these young, I have a lot of my peers that are retiring and stepping out, particularly of academic settings,
01:10:17.600because they can't deal with the residents and the young physicians.
01:10:32.260First of all, they're rarely going to see patients.
01:10:35.400The physician assistant or the nurse practitioner is going to see all the patients.
01:10:38.340And the doctor is going to review the records and try to render judgments on the care of the physician assistant and nurse practitioner.
01:10:45.700Then he and she will be following dictates of a bureaucratic system that gives them clinical pathways to follow that determines that will determine whether or not they did the right thing,
01:10:56.140not their judgment for the given individual in that particular clinical setting.
01:11:59.900So we've talked about wokeism, you and I, before.
01:12:03.580And we were joined by your beautiful daughter, Paulina.
01:12:06.400And she describes herself as woke, though she's absolutely lovely.
01:12:10.700So, because I rip on the woke a lot, but not on her.
01:12:13.300But it's really kind of crossed over to absurdity now in some circles, including, like, if you just watch libs of TikTok, you know what I mean.
01:12:22.820And my team pulled this one example, Dr. Drew, of this one person that TikToker is named Friday is funky.
01:15:07.360I, there, there was an article, um, that came out just this past week that I forwarded to my team where, uh, a parent was writing in about how the, at, at their child's school, I'm trying to find it.
01:15:33.640Um, and says, like, when I said this on Twitter recently, I was around the attack for being a TERF who makes up ridiculous stories to harm trans people.
01:15:40.240She says, well, I may be a TERF, I guess, but I didn't make this up.
01:15:44.140And it goes on to say that, um, the, the, one of the girls had changed identity like four different times, had changed the name several different times.
01:15:53.560And the school just keeps, keeps on going with it.
01:16:00.820In fact, there's a policy in at least the New York city privates not to tell the parents to affirmatively exclude them from all of this.
01:16:09.020I just remember back in the day when, when a young adult or an adolescent would change their name, we would immediately in mental health, just go, Oh, something's going on.