The Megyn Kelly Show - New Tim Walz Lies and China Connection, and Trump's NFL Politics, with RealClearPolitics Hosts and Joe Pags ｜ Ep. 902

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.880 It's October. October 1st. I can't believe it.

00:00:49.540 And you know what? Every October 1st I think of my nana.

00:00:52.580 My nana was born October 1st, 1915. Can you believe that? 1915.

00:01:00.980 And she passed back in 19, back in 2016 at 101.

00:01:06.840 So I always think of her on this day. God bless, Nan. Miss you every day.

00:01:10.660 And in greater news, it is the month of surprises when it comes to politics and the run-up to a presidential election.

00:01:18.880 So be on the lookout every day for whatever the October surprise or surprises will be.

00:01:24.320 They always come. We never know what they're going to be.

00:01:26.760 And then any minor news that breaks, we ask, is this the surprise? Is this the surprise?

00:01:31.760 And then, boom, you get hit with a Hunter Biden laptop that gets suppressed by all the social media companies and also raised in a presidential debate and suppressed by the moderator.

00:01:39.900 Boom. Today is also, speaking of debates, a debate day in America.

00:01:45.620 Just hours from now, the vice presidential candidates will square off for their one and only debate.

00:01:50.960 And this will likely be, likely, we think, the final debate of the 2024 election cycle.

00:01:58.220 That's unusual. Normally, the vice presidential debate does not go last.

00:02:01.800 A quick programming note, we will be live tonight right after the debate ends for instant analysis.

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00:02:18.680 Tonight's big event comes as the nation grapples with the devastation from Hurricane Helene.

00:02:23.560 And then there's new bombshell reporting on Kamala Harris's running mate, Tim Walls, which hits, conveniently, the day of this debate, and his ties to China.

00:02:32.200 Both getting more substantial and less substantial on the same day.

00:02:36.560 We'll explain.

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00:02:49.080 Tom Bevan is co-founder and president of Real Clear Politics.

00:02:53.680 Carl Cannon is Washington bureau chief, and Andrew Walworth is chief content officer.

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00:04:04.780 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:04:06.360 Great to be with you.

00:04:07.440 Okay.

00:04:07.920 Yeah, thanks, Megan.

00:04:09.320 Tom Bevin, you take off one day.

00:04:10.620 You were gone on Friday.

00:04:11.980 I listened.

00:04:13.140 Phil Wegman was there.

00:04:14.740 Phil Wegman was there.

00:04:15.440 I love Phil Wegman.

00:04:16.780 He's a great reporter.

00:04:17.520 But I have a bone to pick with you, Andrew, and Phil, my friend Phil.

00:04:24.200 And it relates to this.

00:04:26.020 I dropped my makeup brush when I heard the following exchange on the RCP podcast.

00:04:33.380 I don't.

00:04:34.000 It was like the guys had been drinking, Tom.

00:04:36.120 You went away and they were smoking.

00:04:38.320 I don't know what happened.

00:04:39.980 But listen to what happened while you were gone.

00:04:42.120 Donald Trump may think he can, you know, trade land for peace.

00:04:45.980 There's no evidence Vladimir Putin even would take a deal like that.

00:04:49.180 I thought she sounded presidential.

00:04:51.540 She sounded Churchillian.

00:04:52.680 I thought it was just the right tone.

00:04:56.780 And then, you know, for Trump, it's all about Trump.

00:05:02.140 His first instinct is to talk about himself and his impeachment.

00:05:06.720 And how Zelensky helped him.

00:05:08.480 A small nota bene here.

00:05:10.340 We heard from so many Democrats that the reason why Joe Biden couldn't step aside was because

00:05:15.160 Kamala Harris was not a good candidate and she was not made of the right leadership stuff. 1.00

00:05:20.740 Those those Democrats are wrong, it seems now.

00:05:24.420 Phil, Phil's not here.

00:05:25.920 But Phil, that was very wrong what you said.

00:05:29.520 Churchillian, Andrew, Churchillian, Kamala Harris.

00:05:33.920 Well, you're not the first person to make a comment about that comment I made on Friday.

00:05:40.340 But I and, you know, those of us who are, you know, we're on the radio of a lot.

00:05:48.120 We say a lot of different things.

00:05:49.440 But I'll defend that to this degree.

00:05:52.160 It was for her especially a very clear statement of where she felt the the administration should be.

00:06:00.940 It was much clearer than anything Biden has said.

00:06:03.300 And so, yeah, I mean, I think that the idea that that we're going to sort of easily trade land for peace in Ukraine should be questioned.

00:06:14.620 And I thought it was a strong statement.

00:06:16.620 So I'll stand behind that.

00:06:17.960 OK, but you shouldn't.

00:06:19.980 You should take it back.

00:06:20.980 It was a momentary insanity from a very sane man on a great podcast.

00:06:26.100 OK, so, Tom, you can never go away again.

00:06:28.480 We can add Phil, but Phil must be shot down when he says stuff like that, because it absolutely was a valid concern about whether she could do it if she was forced to step in and take over the lead role.

00:06:39.320 Notwithstanding the fact that she put out one strong statement on Ukraine, she's been a mess.

00:06:45.100 She's been an absolute mess. 0.99

00:06:48.020 Well, listen, I am going to have to talk to Phil about using the phrase no to Benny.

00:06:51.580 I don't know.

00:06:55.740 Well, listen, I mean, I guess I will have to, you know, make sure that I'm around for every podcast from from here on out just to keep track of these guys and make sure keep them in line, you know?

00:07:06.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:07.180 That's right.

00:07:07.540 Usually Carl is the one who's like bringing up the Democratic points, which is good.

00:07:10.820 It keeps it interesting.

00:07:11.700 I like that.

00:07:12.480 But I don't know.

00:07:13.420 Something happened.

00:07:14.040 OK, but speaking of how Kamala Harris is in front of a microphone, her running mate has his big chance tonight. 1.00

00:07:20.900 And I don't know about you guys, but I'm really excited for this.

00:07:25.560 I can't wait to see how they do.

00:07:28.280 I actually have high expectations for J.D. Vance and for Tim Walls, though part of me, part of me does wonder.

00:07:37.040 I know they put out that statement to CNN that more than a dozen campaign interviews interviewed with our aides interviewed with CNN saying, oh, he's very nervous and he's not a professional debater.

00:07:47.660 And they always swear this isn't lowering expectations.

00:07:50.400 It is lowering expectations.

00:07:52.160 But part of me does wonder if they're seeing any weakness, any wobbly, you know, answers to the point where they felt they needed to do that.

00:08:02.680 I don't know.

00:08:03.620 What do you guys make of the the attempt to run defense and lower expectations mightily to CNN the day before?

00:08:10.560 Well, Megan, this guy was in the House of Representatives for years.

00:08:15.220 He was he's been governor of Minnesota, this idea that he's somehow a neophyte.

00:08:19.320 J.D. Vance is the one who's only been in politics for two years.

00:08:21.820 It's it's I think it's transparent attempt to, you know, yeah, lower the bar.

00:08:27.720 I found it laughable.

00:08:30.540 But you introduced a thought I hadn't that hadn't occurred to me, which is that in this debate, Brett, maybe Walls has been so off putting and weird that they that they are nervous.

00:08:42.160 I hadn't thought of that.

00:08:43.100 I don't really think that's what's going on.

00:08:45.200 But that's an interesting idea.

00:08:46.560 We're going to know soon.

00:08:48.600 I don't know.

00:08:48.960 What do you think, Andrew?

00:08:49.780 Do you think there's actually a chance he's been kind of bad behind the scenes and they really are trying to make sure we don't expect too much of him or you think he's solid?

00:09:00.160 And this is just the expectation games so that anything even approaching a B will be received, as you know, by this media as an A plus.

00:09:08.960 Yeah, well, I think, you know, Megan, that's an interesting question, because I think two things could be true.

00:09:14.180 I think they could be nervous about his performance.

00:09:16.740 And the reason they would be nervous is not necessarily because they think he'll be bad, but because he's untested.

00:09:23.480 This has been a really different campaign they've run, where they've sort of run a basement campaign the way Biden did during COVID, except there's no COVID.

00:09:35.280 They have really kept him away from the press.

00:09:37.300 So nobody really knows how he's going to perform in a in a public setting like this.

00:09:42.640 Everything has been scripted.

00:09:43.900 Everything has been off the teleprompter.

00:09:45.760 And even off the teleprompter, he hasn't said much.

00:09:49.020 So that's the big unknown.

00:09:51.240 And you contrast that with J.D. Vance, who, you know, will walk into any microphone and talk for as long as they want him to talk.

00:09:58.620 I mean, he's on all the Sunday shows.

00:10:00.760 He's out and he's projecting, I think, a sort of confidence that that might rattle the Democrats a little bit, too, because J.D. Vance seems unafraid.

00:10:13.160 And Waltz seems like he's not out there.

00:10:17.260 And then the question is, why not?

00:10:19.140 Maybe it's because he's bad or maybe it's a strategy.

00:10:21.520 We don't have to go too far to figure out how Waltz does in a debate because he was the Minnesota governor twice.

00:10:29.300 I mean, he ran and won for Minnesota governor.

00:10:31.120 And we pulled a couple of debate clips.

00:10:35.840 Here's one against Dr. Scott Jensen, who was the Republican he ran against last time.

00:10:43.480 It was fascinating.

00:10:44.240 I actually went back.

00:10:45.080 This is what my team makes me do.

00:10:46.700 I went back and watched that debate.

00:10:48.140 Debbie Murphy pulled me in. 0.99

00:10:49.140 Happy birthday, Canadian Debbie. 0.97

00:10:50.860 So I did go back and watch Dr. Scott Jensen and Tim Walz.

00:10:54.640 And I'll tell you, for the first 10 minutes, you can't tell who's the Republican and who's the Democrat.

00:10:58.340 She's like, what?

00:10:59.720 Who is that guy?

00:11:00.580 They're so mild-mannered and they're so like they really want to be seen as in the middle and centrist in Minnesota.

00:11:08.160 And it's kind of amusing just to see from that standpoint.

00:11:11.500 And then eventually it was clear that Jensen was the Republican and they split on issues like abortion and they split on issues like how he handled,

00:11:19.180 Walz handled the George Floyd riots.

00:11:21.820 That was the only time it got a little spicy.

00:11:24.220 And here's a bit of how that went in Sot 11.

00:11:26.080 Getting on the sidelines and critiquing, that's not what being governor is.

00:11:30.900 It's making the hard decisions at the time.

00:11:32.440 I'm proud of Minnesota's response.

00:11:34.580 I'm proud of Minnesota's first responders who were out there, from firefighters to police to the National Guard to citizens that were out there.

00:11:41.740 Anything that has to do with lawful behavior, it seems that Tim Walz isn't there.

00:11:47.580 And he says, I'm proud of the way Minnesota responded.

00:11:53.120 Burn that into your psyche, Minnesota.

00:11:55.700 I said I was proud of the first responders.

00:11:57.960 You may not be, but I was.

00:11:59.200 This was an incredibly difficult and unprecedented incident.

00:12:03.320 I don't care what he says about me.

00:12:05.100 I care what he says about the folks who are out there doing this work.

00:12:07.740 He means his 19-year-old cooks is what he's referring to.

00:12:10.420 We have to move on now.

00:12:11.780 Scott, like so many things, took a clip of where I said, we have a small percentage of the National Guard that is trained for civil defense.

00:12:18.220 I'm trying to make the claim that this is somehow slanderous of someone who doesn't understand that.

00:12:23.100 He did just fine, Tom.

00:12:26.480 He actually was pretty strong.

00:12:29.200 Yeah, look, I think this is transparent, you know, lowering the bar.

00:12:33.940 He is, as Carl said, you know, he was in the House, as you mentioned, two-term governor.

00:12:38.180 He's debated plenty.

00:12:40.220 And I think he's going to do fine.

00:12:42.040 I mean, I'm also looking forward to this debate.

00:12:44.180 I'm not sure how much it's going to matter in the final analysis, but I think it is going to be good television.

00:12:48.300 These guys, I don't think they like each other.

00:12:49.800 It's gotten kind of personal.

00:12:51.280 They're both going to come in with, you know, lots of arrows in their quiver.

00:12:55.340 And I mean, J.D. Vance is going to be able to tear him up on all the lies that he's told about his, you know, everything from his, you know, record, his military record to all of these other issues.

00:13:06.920 He's going to hit him on, certainly on the riots, as well as other things, including abortion, transgender rights, et cetera.

00:13:15.800 And then, you know, Tim Walsh is going to be able to turn around and say, J.D. Vance, you know, you called Donald Trump Hitler and you hated him until you liked him.

00:13:22.140 And now you're, you know, stumping for him.

00:13:24.040 So they're going to have a lot of a lot of ammunition to go at each other with.

00:13:28.560 And I expect that they will.

00:13:29.520 And I think it's going to be it's going to be a very lively debate.

00:13:33.500 Now, do you guys think I'll give this one to you, Carl?

00:13:36.140 Do you think that each guy will try to make it about the guy across from him on stage or the two who are not in the room?

00:13:44.680 That J.D. spends all his time trying to attack Kamala Harris and Tim spends all his time on Trump?

00:13:49.960 Or no, it's going to be mano a mano about each other.

00:13:54.300 Yeah, I think that Tim Walsh will attack Trump.

00:13:58.140 I think about half the stuff will be aimed at the nominee, the presidential nominee and the other half of J.D. Vance.

00:14:02.920 And remember that that comment that apparently got him chosen as the nominee where he went around calling the the Republican ticket weird.

00:14:11.160 That seems to me the latest thing I've heard about Tiananmen Square and Walls strikes me as a classic case of psychological projection.

00:14:20.560 But I won't dwell on that.

00:14:22.580 But to your question, I think that that that weird comment that Walls kept repeating until he got on the ticket.

00:14:28.580 He aimed that at Trump and J.D. Vance, both of them.

00:14:31.060 So that's that's that's how he conducts.

00:14:33.160 That's how he debates this and that's how he frames it.

00:14:37.040 I think that J.D. Vance will maybe talk about the Biden-Harris administration a lot, but I don't think he'll get his personal with Kamala Harris.

00:14:46.020 Just a hunch.

00:14:49.740 You mentioned the thing about China we should get into.

00:14:52.180 I will stay on the debate and the tactics.

00:14:54.220 I've got a bunch of good clips that I think you guys are going to like.

00:14:56.380 But the stuff about China is it's heating up and also, like I said, receding a little.

00:15:02.440 So it turns out of the lies that Tim Walls has told and, you know, we've covered the military ones in depth, including with an in-depth interview with four of his former service personnel that he that he served with.

00:15:16.080 He apparently has lied about how many times he's been to China.

00:15:20.300 He said he'd been there 30 times.

00:15:22.780 And it turns out it's not true.

00:15:25.120 He's only been there 15 times.

00:15:28.320 And this was unearthed by I'm trying to get the media organization that got it.

00:15:34.920 But they figured out, look, that's a lot of time, times to go to China, 30.

00:15:40.280 So send us the receipts.

00:15:42.880 They asked the campaign, please send us the receipts.

00:15:44.820 And he couldn't.

00:15:46.480 And it's NPR news, which is Minnesota Public Radio.

00:15:50.420 So they said, look, what do you have?

00:15:53.900 And they said we can only prove that he went there around 15 times.

00:15:57.760 But to its credit, NPR reports that he claimed he'd been there 30 times, that he claimed to have traveled to China dozens of times, and that this is another instance of Tim Walls lying.

00:16:11.480 They also, Carl, say that he described being in Hong Kong in May 1989 during the student uprising that culminated in Beijing's Tiananmen Square massacre.

00:16:28.000 An assertion that is belied, they report, by newspaper accounts at the time, in which he's quoted as saying as the following.

00:16:36.700 As the events were unfolding, several of us went in, he said, at a 2014 hearing commemorating the massacre's 25th anniversary.

00:16:44.800 I still remember the train station in Hong Kong, but they found pictures of him on the day of the massacre showing that he was working locally in Nebraska and saying that he would be leaving the following Sunday en route to China.

00:17:02.320 So he was not there the day of, he cannot possibly remember it as he claims he did during the student rising, saying that several of us went in.

00:17:14.860 He still remembers the train station.

00:17:16.640 He wasn't there.

00:17:17.820 So that's a long-winded explanation of what you just said, Carl.

00:17:21.080 But these little lies over and over and over again really matter.

00:17:27.680 Well, that's right.

00:17:28.900 And, you know, your memory can play tricks on you.

00:17:31.460 And I think journalists, we all need to be careful of that.

00:17:34.960 You remember Brian Williams?

00:17:36.380 True.

00:17:36.780 Megan, you knew him.

00:17:38.000 And I didn't think he was lying.

00:17:39.500 I thought he was misremembering some of the events involved.

00:17:42.080 So I try to be charitable, but in Wall's case, there's an underlying thing that I find bothersome.

00:17:53.440 And it's that, Tom, correct me if I'm wrong on this.

00:17:57.040 He got married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square.

00:18:01.080 And he said that was so he could remember it.

00:18:04.100 And that would be like, you know, I'm going to get married on Joe Stalin's birthday, you know, so I can remember my anniversary or something like that. 0.65

00:18:12.180 I mean, you know, I'm going to marry it on April 20th.

00:18:15.020 I'll never forget.

00:18:16.040 Yeah.

00:18:16.820 Or September 1st.

00:18:18.120 9-11.

00:18:18.720 Invaded Boland.

00:18:20.660 I mean, if you're going to pick a day, I mean, how about United Nations Day?

00:18:24.020 That's my birthday.

00:18:24.900 That's a nice neutral day.

00:18:26.840 And I want to come back to this.

00:18:30.200 When you do something like that and then you go around calling other people weird, it seems like you're trying too hard, maybe thinking of yourself.

00:18:41.640 Yeah.

00:18:42.120 Well, I mean, he just keeps getting caught, Andrew, over and over and over again.

00:18:45.740 And it's bizarre.

00:18:46.420 It is bizarre.

00:18:46.960 He's got such an affinity for China.

00:18:49.780 Who gets married on the day of a massacre?

00:18:52.720 I mean, I used to date a guy who was born on April 19th.

00:18:55.180 And he hated it because that's the date a bunch of terrible things have happened.

00:18:59.420 Like, I think Waco happened on April 19th.

00:19:03.040 I think it was Hitler's birthday was April 19th. 0.50

00:19:05.480 There's a lot of bad stuff.

00:19:06.600 I thought that was the 20th.

00:19:07.160 Yeah.

00:19:07.740 Well, my point is most normal people run from negative events.

00:19:12.520 He embraced it.

00:19:13.800 He inflated by two times the number of times he went to China.

00:19:18.440 And at the same time, we now find out, I think this is kind of convenient, to be honest, but James Comer of House Oversight has issued a subpoena to DHS, Department of Homeland Security, saying we understand that there has been talk on an internal, non-classified Microsoft Teams group chat among DHS employees talking about the possibility of Tim Walls being somehow compromised at the hands of the CCP.

00:19:45.060 Well, a couple things.

00:19:49.520 One, it does show the danger of this sort of foreshortened period where they chose this guy as their vice presidential pick.

00:20:01.760 I mean, this is the kind of stuff that might have disqualified him if he had been vetted earlier.

00:20:08.020 Maybe yes, maybe no, but they certainly would have gotten their story more straight on this.

00:20:11.380 But, you know, he was picked in a very short amount of time and picked for, you know, a couple reasons, one being that they wanted, I think, a white male from the Midwest.

00:20:21.940 And he sort of fit their idea of sort of what, you know, a sort of masculine guy would look like to pair with Kamala Harris.

00:20:29.800 And he's a hunter and all that sort of stuff.

00:20:32.520 And when he was in the House, he was sort of known as being someone who compromised more with Republicans, won a red district, all that sort of stuff.

00:20:41.660 But this China thing is really amazing.

00:20:43.740 And we've talked about it a lot on our podcast because it is just one of those weird things, to use his own phrase.

00:20:49.460 I mean, to say, no, I've only been to China 15 times, not 30, when I'm a schoolteacher is – yeah, I don't know any schoolteacher who's been to communist China 15 times or talks about communist China the way he talked about it with his students.

00:21:05.980 And so that's a real issue, and it does sort of – you know, because Americans don't know that much about him, every time one of these things comes up where it looks like he's sort of fudged the truth, that becomes the narrative about who he is.

00:21:23.920 And that, I think, is the problem that he's having.

00:21:27.120 He's a blank slate.

00:21:28.940 What do we know about him?

00:21:30.100 What we keep hearing about him is every time there's a statement about him, it's about how he has not been quite truthful about something in his past.

00:21:39.020 And so that's a problem.

00:21:41.620 But how much all this matters in the long run when people go out to vote, that's – as Tom was saying, that's the real question.

00:21:49.220 I don't know if vice president of choices make a big difference or not.

00:21:53.660 You don't remember President Dukakis?

00:21:57.380 Well, all right.

00:21:58.340 It might be different this time for a couple of reasons.

00:22:02.060 One, because J.D. Vance will be – I mean, Donald Trump will only serve one term.

00:22:08.500 So J.D. Vance, from the day he gets in, is sort of, you know –

00:22:13.060 The heir apparent.

00:22:13.700 Sort of – yeah, the heir apparent.

00:22:15.940 So that makes the J.D. Vance pick maybe a little bit more consequential.

00:22:20.220 Well, and then there's primacy and recency, right?

00:22:22.640 And that's what you remember, the first thing you see and the last thing you see.

00:22:25.760 And this is going to be, we think, the last thing the voters see when it comes to debates, at least.

00:22:30.520 This is not the way it normally is.

00:22:32.340 Normally there are three presidential debates and one VP debate.

00:22:35.120 And the VP gets sandwiched in between, you know, the top dogs.

00:22:39.160 But these guys, at least for now, Kellyanne Conway is out there saying,

00:22:42.560 I know Trump said no to another debate, but is it really a no?

00:22:46.420 It might not really be a no.

00:22:48.700 And you know Trump, if he says yes to anything, then every media network will say yes, we accept.

00:22:55.600 I mean, it's really just a question of whether Kamala will follow through.

00:22:59.120 Right now she's saying she'll do it on CNN.

00:23:00.800 I think Trump – I know he wants it to be on Fox or he said he'd do the NBC debate.

00:23:04.960 He should say yes to the CNN debate because – if he's going to do it.

00:23:07.980 Because I think last time that went pretty well for him.

00:23:10.680 Anyway, we should assume it's the last debate.

00:23:12.140 I think he should do it on your show.

00:23:13.400 I think he should do it on your show, Megan.

00:23:14.860 Totally.

00:23:16.140 Yeah, I think he should do it on our show.

00:23:18.020 Oh, well, good point.

00:23:19.140 Can I just add one thing?

00:23:20.300 All right, sure, Chilean. 0.90

00:23:21.180 Megan, sit in with us.

00:23:22.480 That's true.

00:23:23.680 Wait a minute, Tom.

00:23:24.680 That was my fault, that thing about your Chilean, Megan. 1.00

00:23:28.540 I've got to fess up because I had said – I started it by saying I thought that Kamala Harris had a nice line when she's talking to Zelensky.

00:23:36.260 And she said, you know, isolation is not insulation.

00:23:39.040 And then these guys tried to outdo me, first Andy and then Phil Wegman.

00:23:44.460 I should have never gone there.

00:23:46.520 I apologize.

00:23:47.660 It's my fault.

00:23:48.440 Yes, I accept.

00:23:49.780 I actually hit the rewind, you know, the rewind 15 seconds.

00:23:53.060 I'm like, there's no way I heard.

00:23:54.040 I didn't just hear what I thought I heard.

00:23:55.560 I was more measured than they was, if you noticed.

00:23:59.720 Can I just say something about this real quick?

00:24:02.160 I mean, I don't know if – everybody out there may know someone like this.

00:24:07.600 There are people who lie just for the sake of lying.

00:24:10.080 Like their lies don't even serve a higher purpose.

00:24:12.320 Like why would you say you went to China 30 times when you – 15?

00:24:16.940 I mean, what's the difference?

00:24:17.960 Why would you do that?

00:24:18.960 Why would he say, for example, the fertility thing?

00:24:22.260 I mean, why wouldn't he just say, well, look, we've had experience with fertility.

00:24:25.300 But no, he had to go the extra distance to lie.

00:24:28.520 Why did he lie about being a head coach of a football team when he's just an assistant coach?

00:24:33.160 And the team had success and he was part of it.

00:24:35.560 He didn't need to do that.

00:24:37.600 It's a little bit almost pathological, the way that he kind of lies about everything.

00:24:44.200 And some of these lies don't even serve a larger purpose.

00:24:47.060 And I think this might be one of those instances.

00:24:50.220 That's a great point.

00:24:50.940 Can I say Clintonian?

00:24:52.400 Is that okay?

00:24:53.140 Yeah.

00:24:53.280 Since I said Churchillian earlier.

00:24:54.600 It's a little Clintonian.

00:24:55.900 Yes.

00:24:56.820 I accept – I guess so.

00:24:58.340 I have to think it over.

00:24:59.300 It's better.

00:24:59.860 We're heading in the right direction.

00:25:01.160 That I know.

00:25:02.440 No, you're right with the Tim Walz problem.

00:25:04.480 And I was thinking about it.

00:25:05.840 Like if I were advising Tim Walz on how to get ready for this debate, obviously Childless

00:25:10.240 Cat Ladies is going to come up. 1.00

00:25:11.840 So is – they're eating the dogs.

00:25:14.040 That's going to come up.

00:25:16.020 And that's J.D. Vance's home state.

00:25:18.160 And I think J.D. Vance is going to say I had actual constituents come and complain about that

00:25:22.360 to me.

00:25:23.780 Fair game.

00:25:24.600 You know, I checked out my constituents' claims.

00:25:27.260 Many panned out.

00:25:28.260 Some were unprovable one way or the other.

00:25:30.100 But, you know, this is an issue.

00:25:31.280 And I think if he's smart, he'll pivot to let's talk about the dead people.

00:25:34.560 Can we agree there are dead people? 0.95

00:25:36.240 There are raped children in Nantucket. 0.57

00:25:38.240 Can we talk about that?

00:25:39.100 Does anyone want to spend some time on that?

00:25:41.160 Governor Walz, right?

00:25:42.240 That's where I would go if I were J.D.

00:25:43.680 But I was thinking about what else are J.D.'s vulnerabilities?

00:25:47.900 He's got the dogs.

00:25:49.460 He's got the childless cats, the dogs and the cats.

00:25:52.700 He's got the negative comments about Trump, which you mentioned earlier.

00:25:58.080 That'll definitely come back to haunt him.

00:25:59.660 We read in the CNN report yesterday that they were preparing some sort of a line that Kamala

00:26:03.740 was going to use against whomever she would be up against in her vice presidential debate. 0.99

00:26:09.960 I mean, presumably J.D. Vance.

00:26:11.280 Remember when we still thought she was going to be the vice presidential running mate? 0.99

00:26:14.340 Something to the effect of what are you going to do to ensure that Donald Trump doesn't hang

00:26:21.040 you out to dry the way he did Mike Pence endangering his life on January 6th, though it was more

00:26:25.740 cutting than that.

00:26:26.380 I can't remember the phraseology.

00:26:28.180 OK, that's not a ton.

00:26:30.440 That's not a ton, which is why I think that Tim Walz will spend most of his time on Donald

00:26:35.360 Trump.

00:26:36.040 It's going to be Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

00:26:37.960 I don't think it's a fruitful area to spend time going after J.D. Vance in Yale.

00:26:43.480 I just think most Americans get that this was an abused kid with zero advantages who went

00:26:50.620 off to serve in Iraq after he finished high school, came back, earned a double major at

00:26:57.060 Ohio State in two years and got himself with zero connections into Yale law.

00:27:02.600 Most of us look at that as an American success story.

00:27:05.040 That's very dangerous ground for Tim Walz to dance on.

00:27:08.420 I just don't I don't think he's going to raise that on the presidential debates stage.

00:27:12.000 I could be wrong.

00:27:13.500 So I think it's going to be all about Trump.

00:27:15.140 And I think J.D., I predict, will do sort of the double because his whole point is to make the two of

00:27:21.620 them look like the far left loons that the ads have painted them as that I personally think they

00:27:27.720 are.

00:27:28.040 And each one's got something more radical than the other.

00:27:31.160 Go back to Kamala Harris, 2019 and marry that to Tim Walz over the past four years as governor.

00:27:36.600 And you have the perfect leftist dream team.

00:27:39.940 So all he needs to do is each answer.

00:27:41.940 She just bring up one of those policies. 1.00

00:27:44.340 Just pick your top 12.

00:27:46.480 You don't get to speak that often in these debates and weave as many of them as you can

00:27:50.740 into every single answer.

00:27:52.540 What do you guys think of that?

00:27:53.520 Well, I think I would add one thing to that, too.

00:27:57.100 I would advise them both to stay away from each other's military career, because I think

00:28:01.260 that's a nonstarter with the American people as well.

00:28:04.020 I think that denigrating anyone else's service, even if you find reason to denigrate it, is

00:28:10.160 just with the limited time you have in a debate, I wouldn't I wouldn't spend five minutes on

00:28:14.280 it.

00:28:14.700 And I also agree with you very much on not going after J.D.

00:28:17.880 Vance about Yale.

00:28:19.020 And I think that that Waltz might do that and because he sort of that middle class appeal

00:28:27.460 he's trying to make is that he stayed in the middle class, that he was sort of loyal to

00:28:32.980 it in a weird way by by becoming a teacher and not sort of leaving town and trying to

00:28:39.980 make J.D. Vance seem like the guy who like, you know, left town, went to the big city, made

00:28:46.000 a lot of money. It's almost like out of a Hallmark movie or something.

00:28:49.420 And I just don't think that that will work.

00:28:52.300 But I wouldn't be surprised if he goes there.

00:28:54.600 Andy, can I add something to that?

00:28:54.980 You have an obligation to remain in the class in which you were raised.

00:28:58.280 Go ahead.

00:28:58.440 Yes, right.

00:28:59.120 Isn't that weird?

00:28:59.680 But I sort of got that feeling from it.

00:29:01.680 Yeah, it's an odd line of attack.

00:29:03.880 The other thing is they want to they want to attack J.D.

00:29:06.840 Vance for being making money in Silicon Valley.

00:29:09.360 And so if they attack him for going to Yale and Silicon Valley, they are attacking, you

00:29:15.360 know, all of their mega donors and half their cabinet officials and the Obamas and the Clintons.

00:29:21.320 That is an inadvisable thing.

00:29:23.200 I don't know if Vance will be able to I don't know if Tim Walz will be able to resist it.

00:29:27.320 The one thing I would think that J.D.

00:29:29.160 Vance will focus in on is remember that last debate.

00:29:32.340 And Megan, you had a devastating soliloquy on this where the ABC moderators didn't didn't

00:29:39.340 didn't actively behave as journalists.

00:29:41.740 He can ask her.

00:29:43.360 He excuse me.

00:29:44.120 He can ask Walz to answer the questions that Kamala Harris wouldn't answer.

00:29:47.560 If you if if you could have done an executive if you did an executive order at the border,

00:29:51.760 why didn't you do it sooner?

00:29:53.320 Why are you trying to you know, you're trying to make this Trump's fault because he didn't

00:29:58.460 support some bill.

00:29:59.400 But you could have done this for three and a half years.

00:30:02.100 And I think in that sense, again, I think he'll go after the policies of Kamala Harris

00:30:06.380 and Joe Biden.

00:30:07.040 I don't think he'll go after Kamala Harris on a personal level, but there's enough there

00:30:11.440 on the policies.

00:30:12.560 Yeah, go ahead.

00:30:14.400 Well, you know, that's an interesting point, Carl, because what what if he started raising

00:30:17.600 you know how Alex Thompson over at Axios has been doing a good job of asking the Kamala

00:30:22.300 Harris campaign, does she still stand by this position? 0.97

00:30:25.060 Does she still stand by that position? 0.99

00:30:26.440 And he's pulling them all up that she's on camera or in her own written hand taking in

00:30:32.060 twenty nineteen.

00:30:33.420 What if J.D.

00:30:34.200 Vance turned and just kept asking Tim Walz?

00:30:37.160 Kamala Harris is on record as supporting taxpayer funded sex change operations for prisoners

00:30:41.500 and illegal immigration, illegal immigrants.

00:30:43.640 Do you stand by that?

00:30:44.500 Is that going to be a Harris Walls policy?

00:30:46.900 You know, whatever she wanted to.

00:30:50.300 She was very loose on the border and she didn't think it was it was a crime to cross into the

00:30:54.200 country illegally.

00:30:55.420 Do you stand by that?

00:30:56.560 What do you say to that between 10 and 20 million illegals who are here now?

00:31:00.380 Should they they get to stay?

00:31:01.540 They didn't commit any crime.

00:31:02.840 But, you know, like bringing up all these issues that she's refused to answer to and making him

00:31:07.880 because you want to see Tim Walz squirm?

00:31:10.700 Do that.

00:31:11.820 He won't even talk to the media right now.

00:31:14.220 He's so terrified of being out there more than her getting ahead of her.

00:31:17.980 Remember when what what was it, you guys, where he was too afraid to talk about the

00:31:23.940 people who had just been killed?

00:31:25.500 Was it the Israelis who had been it was just an attack where he was like, oh, yeah, he was 0.99

00:31:29.900 at the Minnesota.

00:31:30.620 He was at it was a state fair and he was asked about the situation in Israel.

00:31:35.520 Hostages.

00:31:36.440 Hostages.

00:31:36.900 Yes.

00:31:37.340 It was the hostages.

00:31:38.340 Thank you.

00:31:38.660 Or hostages who have been who have been murdered.

00:31:40.920 Yeah.

00:31:41.380 Yes.

00:31:42.100 And he turned on his heels.

00:31:44.980 Yeah.

00:31:45.560 And he was too afraid to even say that is so sad.

00:31:49.120 I'm terribly devastated.

00:31:50.480 My condolences to the families.

00:31:52.840 You know, God bless them.

00:31:54.360 That's doesn't take much.

00:31:55.860 He couldn't even do that.

00:31:57.080 So you can you imagine trying to say, like, she took this position.

00:32:00.820 Is that where you stand?

00:32:02.040 She took that position.

00:32:02.980 Is that where you stand?

00:32:03.880 The American people deserve an answer.

00:32:06.000 Oh, that's what he should do.

00:32:08.400 Well, the other question, which I think everyone has been wanting to ask or I've always wanted

00:32:17.080 to ask is, you know, Conal Harris said after that first debate that he was sharp as a tack.

00:32:24.300 I think that was the phrase or something.

00:32:26.220 And is that true?

00:32:28.280 And, you know, that's the question that I think I'm surprised that hasn't come up in any of the interviews so far with her, because that that's the obvious question to ask.

00:32:37.560 Right.

00:32:37.840 There is an old we have a couple of old J.D. Vance clips to look at, too.

00:32:45.100 People are familiar with him from his many, many appearances on television over the past couple of months.

00:32:49.800 But it's a little different.

00:32:51.740 You know, presidential debate is a little different.

00:32:54.240 Not that much different.

00:32:55.220 I think he's going to be good based on what we've been seeing on TV.

00:32:57.620 Anyway, here he was actually doing some hand to hand to hand combat with Tim Ryan, who was the Democrat he ran against for his Ohio Senate seat back in October of 2022.

00:33:09.780 They were arguing over the whole, quote, great replacement theory and race.

00:33:15.020 Sot nine.

00:33:16.380 Great.

00:33:16.860 This great replacement theory was the motivator for the shooting in Buffalo, where that shooter had all these great replacement theory writings.

00:33:26.120 That J.D. Vance agrees with.

00:33:27.800 So this is this is disgusting.

00:33:29.700 I'd like to get here's exactly what happens when the media and people like Tim Ryan accused me of engaging the great replacement theory.

00:33:36.840 I'll tell you exactly what happens, Tim. 0.91

00:33:39.520 What happens is that my own children, my biracial children get attacked by scumbags online and in person because you are so desperate for political power that you'll accuse me, the father of three beautiful biracial babies of engaging in racism. 0.99

00:33:56.480 We are sick of it. 0.99

00:33:57.600 You can believe in a border without being a racist.

00:34:00.240 I know you've been in office for 20 years, Tim, and I know it's a sweet gig, but you're so desperate not to have a real job that you'll slander me and slander my family.

00:34:08.140 It's disgraceful.

00:34:09.260 Thank you, Mr.

00:34:09.760 Vance.

00:34:09.840 Hold on, Derek.

00:34:11.320 Real quick.

00:34:11.920 I think I got to get one more question.

00:34:13.040 I think I struck a nerve.

00:34:15.960 That was pretty good.

00:34:16.820 What did you guys make of that one?

00:34:20.340 Well, I liked Tim Ryan.

00:34:21.900 I thought he was my kind of Democrat, you know, working class, defending the workers.

00:34:26.100 And he got off on this, on this, you know, modern Democratic Party identity politics thing.

00:34:31.400 And he waded into it.

00:34:32.640 And I think J.D.

00:34:33.860 Vance set him straight.

00:34:35.260 And I, you know, that's, I think that kind of thing is going to come up again tonight.

00:34:39.440 And I'm sure Vance will be strong on it.

00:34:41.960 That's just not where Tim Walls ought to go.

00:34:43.820 But I just don't know, you know, if Tim Ryan went there, it makes me think all Democrats will go there.

00:34:48.000 Megan's like they can't resist anymore. 0.81

00:34:50.400 It doesn't work against him.

00:34:52.080 That's the problem, Tom.

00:34:53.180 He is married to a brown American and a non-white American, as J.D. Vance says.

00:35:00.140 And he has mixed race children. 0.64

00:35:01.600 It's really tough to sell that he's this secret racist who's going to implement all sorts of racist policies that are going to hurt black and brown people if he and Trump get elected. 0.85

00:35:12.600 Totally.

00:35:13.220 And I don't think that that Tim Walls is going to go there.

00:35:15.940 Interestingly, I interviewed Tim Ryan just a few months ago on our podcast.

00:35:20.860 And because he was one of the ones who wrote an op-ed for Newsweek, he was pushing very hard for Kamala Harris to pick Tim Walls.

00:35:26.960 And then he is the only Democrat who's ever debated J.D. Vance, stood on a stage with him and gone toe to toe.

00:35:32.460 I asked him if he was going to do be chosen for debate prep.

00:35:35.340 He said he'd love to do it if they asked him.

00:35:37.200 Turns out they went with Pete Buttigieg instead.

00:35:39.660 So that didn't work out.

00:35:41.220 But I asked him, you know, what advice he would give Tim Walls when, you know, when he did end up debating J.D. Vance.

00:35:47.120 And he said to just go after him, be aggressive and hit him on all of his past comments.

00:35:52.400 But, again, that didn't work out so well for Tim Ryan when he did it.

00:35:57.040 I think Vance did a pretty good job of parrying some of these attacks that Tim Ryan did.

00:36:02.420 So we'll see whether, you know, Vance is up to the task when Walls comes at him tonight.

00:36:09.260 Here's a little bit more of J.D. Vance back in 2022.

00:36:12.800 Now, this was I this must have been a Republican primary debate because it's J.D. Vance up there with his Republican primary competitors to get the Republican nomination to run for Senate.

00:36:25.920 And his opponents were fighting during this debate.

00:36:30.240 And watch how J.D. Vance handled it.

00:36:32.440 It's reportedly one of the reasons that led Trump to endorse J.D.

00:36:37.040 I remember this in that race, not to pick him as VP, but to endorse him in that race and sought six.

00:36:41.540 I just got to comment on what we just saw.

00:37:00.000 Look, as the only other person who served his country in uniform, I enlisted the United States Marine Corps.

00:37:05.660 My mamaw had six grandchildren and three of them enlisted in the United States Marine Corps.

00:37:09.500 I think the way you use the U.S. Marine Corps, Josh, is disgraceful.

00:37:12.620 It's not a political football for you to toss around.

00:37:18.960 I mean, think about think about what we just saw.

00:37:24.380 This guy wants to be U.S. senator and he's up here.

00:37:26.240 Hold me back. Hold me back. I got two tours in the Marine Corps.

00:37:28.540 What a joke.

00:37:30.680 For the listening audience, the two men were chest to chest.

00:37:34.140 It looked like they were about to throw down.

00:37:36.320 J.D. Vance was seated and then stood up and made that point.

00:37:38.760 That was I mean, that was a very good moment for him.

00:37:41.040 I don't think it's going to come to blows, you know, actual physical blows tonight, especially we have two female moderators. 1.00

00:37:48.740 So I just feel like no, but that was a great moment for him.

00:37:52.500 And what it shows is that he saw an opportunity and he knew when to seize it.

00:37:57.320 Right, Tom?

00:37:57.900 Like, that's what I saw there.

00:37:58.880 A savvy, budding politician who thought this is my chance.

00:38:03.180 Yeah, I agree.

00:38:05.380 And, you know, we talked about this earlier, but, you know, we haven't really talked about the moderators and we'll see how they perform tonight.

00:38:11.320 But J.D. Vance has been very good when he's gone on these Sunday shows of of really pushing back on some of the questions that he's got.

00:38:20.180 I mean, I mean, obviously, every time he's been, whether it's been on CNN or, you know, beat the press or wherever, it's been very sort of hostile, aggressive questioning of his policy positions, his past statements, etc.

00:38:31.440 And he's done a pretty good job of really pushing back against the questioning and the biases.

00:38:38.540 And so we'll see whether that happens tonight as well.

00:38:42.360 But he's very good on his feet and he will definitely he'll he'll be able to to, you know, get some counter punches in when he sees the opportunity for sure.

00:38:51.020 We're not supposed to have fact checking tonight, Andrew, that CBS News, I mean, not at least from the moderators.

00:38:56.260 So thumbs up.

00:38:57.300 That's the right call.

00:38:58.240 We'll let the candidates fact check each other.

00:39:00.580 But the CBS News is going to have one of those QR codes on its broadcast so you can click on it to get the CBS News's fact check of what you're hearing.

00:39:12.440 I mean, this is like such a ridiculous bone to the left that wants the news organizations to play mother to the two candidates and, you know, settle the disputes like mom does.

00:39:25.700 Rather than just, you know, let it happen the next day, let let the two candidates fight it out.

00:39:31.880 We don't need this arbiter with 20 CBS News, 22 year old staffers in the back room.

00:39:37.840 But at least they're not going to be doing it on the set and in the moment.

00:39:43.100 Yeah, no, I think that's a great thing.

00:39:44.420 I'm four square against fact checking during a debate.

00:39:48.020 I think that's not the moderator's role.

00:39:51.640 And I hope that CBS nor O'Donnell and her partner stick to that.

00:39:56.820 We'll see.

00:39:58.520 We'll see what happens with the little QR code.

00:40:01.400 I don't know if people really use those things or not.

00:40:05.260 I think most people who are political junkies, if they're like me, they've got their computer open and their phone open and they're looking at the Twitter feeds and seeing what their friends are saying.

00:40:15.900 And, you know, I always want to know what Tom's up to and Phil.

00:40:19.160 And that's what that's what I do when I watch it.

00:40:21.880 So I do my own fact checking.

00:40:23.580 I also my wife is a recovering TV producer.

00:40:27.040 So we will sit there and critique everything about the lighting and the mics and the background and everything.

00:40:33.640 It's a great way to watch the debate.

00:40:36.520 I highly recommend watching it with a news producer or a recovering news producer.

00:40:40.860 That's the way to watch these things.

00:40:42.360 Megan, I love the way I watch it, which is on a text chain with my entire staff.

00:40:47.720 And, you know, the back and forth is amazing.

00:40:50.140 It's just cutting and cruel.

00:40:52.180 It's wonderful.

00:40:53.940 Wait, wait.

00:40:55.020 Can I I want to defend fact checking?

00:40:56.920 I don't think the problem in these last you go all the way back to Candy Crowley's brain fart.

00:41:02.440 And and then the ABC, ABC people.

00:41:06.800 The problem isn't fact checkers.

00:41:08.500 It's that a they fact checked only one side.

00:41:12.980 So Donald Trump's wild exaggerations could be checked.

00:41:17.460 But Kamala Harris's wild exaggerations were not checked. 0.94

00:41:20.660 The other thing is that they got the fact they got some of their facts wrong.

00:41:24.760 So they're they're fact checking, but there's they're repeating misinformation.

00:41:29.520 You know, I think moderators have a right if a person says something that's wrong to say,

00:41:34.520 well, wait a minute, you know, I did some checking.

00:41:36.440 Here's what I let the person respond.

00:41:38.700 But they have to be right.

00:41:39.760 They can't be just they can't be dispensing misinformation themselves.

00:41:43.160 It just gets it's too confusing and it makes the press look partisan.

00:41:47.080 So that's my little speech.

00:41:48.140 Here is I agree with if you're going to do it, you have to do it on both sides.

00:41:52.320 But with the stakes this high at a presidential debate, I wouldn't fact check.

00:41:56.600 I would be like, he's your problem, not mine.

00:41:59.600 Here is another dynamic.

00:42:02.020 Tim Walls, I know, folksy, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:04.280 I know.

00:42:05.080 And I've been very critical of Tim Walls and his far left policies.

00:42:08.820 But he is able to sell to some extent that folksy thing when in front of the right audience.

00:42:16.560 And we saw that the first time he came out with Kamala Harris right after she chose him.

00:42:20.760 So he's got the ability to charm if he unleashes it properly.

00:42:25.640 You've got two female moderators. 1.00

00:42:28.180 So it does somewhat curtail the ability of a male candidate up there to absolutely pummel her.

00:42:37.340 Right.

00:42:37.580 Either one is just the women at home might not like it. 0.98

00:42:40.300 It's a risk.

00:42:41.020 It's an unnecessary risk if these moderators are too biased.

00:42:43.580 J.D. Vance has been doing a good job on these CNN interviews, like with Dana Bash, saying,

00:42:48.140 would you like me to answer the question or do you just want to argue your own points?

00:42:52.340 Because you had me on here.

00:42:53.480 So he knows how to do it respectfully.

00:42:55.920 But here's one of the things I see as a risk.

00:42:59.640 Tim Walls is older.

00:43:01.040 He's got the gray hair.

00:43:02.660 He's a little chunkier, with all due respect.

00:43:05.660 J.D. Vance has slimmed down.

00:43:07.460 He's gotten the nice suits.

00:43:08.820 He's got the perfect facial hair now, the perfect hair, the piercing blue eyes.

00:43:13.840 And he runs the risk of coming across as slick versus this more avuncular, likable guy that you might have a beer with.

00:43:25.380 And Tim Walls, that debate that we showed you with Scott Jensen, like you could see him being kind of like coming across or trying to as kind of nice.

00:43:34.000 We pulled a clip of it.

00:43:35.180 Here it is.

00:43:35.560 We can disagree without using profanities.

00:43:41.460 We can disagree with believing our neighbors love this country as much as we do and simply find solutions.

00:43:48.020 I worked with the only divided state legislature in the country, and I am the first governor in Minnesota history to never issue a veto.

00:43:56.120 That's because compromise is a virtue and not a vice.

00:43:59.760 Finding workable solutions to move the state forward is what One Minnesota means.

00:44:03.600 It doesn't mean we all agree.

00:44:05.020 It means we work across differences to live the lives that are best for our family.

00:44:09.540 If that's urban, so be it.

00:44:11.100 If it's suburban, so be it.

00:44:12.500 If it's rural, so be it.

00:44:13.740 But to keep dividing us and say this doesn't belong, that weakens all of us.

00:44:19.060 We can do it.

00:44:19.860 All right.

00:44:20.060 This was not this was not a debate, but it's Tim Walls doing his little routine that could prove very effective against a too slick J.D. Vance.

00:44:27.900 Even though J.D. personally has a sense of humor, he is more serious.

00:44:32.000 He's more reserved.

00:44:33.020 And frankly, I know him, but he's been through more trauma in his life.

00:44:37.020 And I think he might not be able to be that completely jocular, gee willikers kind of guy. 0.99

00:44:43.960 Well, yeah, I think that, you know, that's the reason one of the reasons they picked Tim Walls for this job is just for that clip, which you showed Megan, which is that he is has on one side.

00:45:01.980 And certainly when he was in the House, been a compromiser, been someone who gets along with his, you know, with other people.

00:45:12.080 And, you know, I mean, to give him his credit, he seems like a nice guy.

00:45:16.920 The problem he's got right now is that they've gone after the Republican ticket so hard that I don't know if he can walk that back and be the nice guy at this point.

00:45:28.280 He's called Tim, you know, I mean, he's called J.D. Vance weird, this cat lady stuff, which they keep repeating.

00:45:37.160 So they've gone and they've sort of, you know, if your position is that the other side is the end of democracy and that has been the Republican, I mean, the Democratic talking point all along that this this is so consequential because if Trump wins, it's the end of this country as we know it.

00:45:53.360 And it's hard to say at the same time, but, you know, we can all get along and we can be nice to each other and compromise.

00:46:00.680 So it's it'd be a hard needle for him to thread.

00:46:04.240 I think you're right in that if he does it, that that's probably more effective.

00:46:09.620 But I don't know if he can do it, given.

00:46:12.660 I really think J.D. Vance, if that happens, if he feels that dynamic emerging, he needs to have a line in his back pocket along the lines of Governor Wallace is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:46:22.520 He comes across as an aw shucks Minnesotan, just a regular guy who coaches football. 0.99

00:46:29.080 He is the guy who is making it possible for children in all the other 49 states to rush to Minnesota and have their genitals chopped off as minors before they're legally able to drive or get a tattoo based on Planned Parenthood going into court and saying that person says they're trans and their parents won't affirm. 0.60

00:46:49.180 That's because of him.

00:46:50.360 He needs to have something like that because that's that was my reaction to him.

00:47:02.680 That's why Tim Wall scares me, because when you see him out there on the stump with his price of right prices right entrance like, hey, hey, oh, here I am.

00:47:11.500 I'm excited. I love it. I'm super happy.

00:47:13.980 You're like, oh, yeah, I'm happy, too.

00:47:15.600 He makes me happy.

00:47:16.640 And then you actually start digging into this guy's policy and you think I'm less happy by the second.

00:47:23.200 I'm actually now scared.

00:47:24.820 And I most politicians don't scare me.

00:47:27.700 I don't know.

00:47:28.400 I think J.D. Vance is savvy enough to have that.

00:47:31.360 What do you guys think?

00:47:32.360 Does he go there?

00:47:33.020 Does he go to the trans refuge stuff?

00:47:34.600 Does he go to the radical social policy that Wallace has been unleashing in Minnesota?

00:47:40.100 I'll say one quick.

00:47:41.340 I'll say.

00:47:41.780 OK, you go, Tom.

00:47:43.720 I think he does.

00:47:44.880 I mean, I think that's part of because that's what, you know, Trump just released this ad hitting Kamala Harris on the same thing.

00:47:50.260 You know, the transgender sex changes for illegal immigrants and prisoners, et cetera. 0.96

00:47:56.440 I do think, look, J.D. Vance has a real opportunity tonight.

00:48:00.700 He has obviously gotten pretty bad press coverage.

00:48:04.460 It's been pretty critical.

00:48:05.700 His unfavorables are much higher than Tim Walz's or anybody else's for that matter at this point.

00:48:11.560 But that's all been because it's been filtered through a media that has been very critical of him.

00:48:16.980 He has a chance tonight to stand on that stage and without that filter and really show people who he is.

00:48:26.280 And maybe he'll be able to do that in a way that really helps himself.

00:48:31.180 And we'll see whether, you know, to your point, Tim Walz already has that sort of, you know, coverage from the media.

00:48:38.040 And that's how he's viewed by a lot of folks.

00:48:40.480 And we'll see whether he's able to continue to promote that as well.

00:48:44.600 But I think Vance, because of how critical the press coverage has been, has a real opportunity to change people's opinions about him based on what he does tonight and how he presents himself.

00:48:55.600 Go ahead, Carl.

00:48:56.980 Two quick things, Megan.

00:48:58.140 You raised the possibility that J.D. Vance might be perceived by people just getting to know him as slick.

00:49:03.260 And I think that's something he should be careful with.

00:49:06.520 And, you know, these candidates aren't really into self-deprecation anymore, but a little of that goes a long way.

00:49:12.440 And it seems to me if he has an opportunity to do that, J.D. Vance, to be self-deprecating in a way that doesn't compromise him or that nobody could seize on, I think he should take that opportunity.

00:49:24.260 But the other thing is that you talked about these policies, Megan, how some of them are really quite far left and, you know, they don't comport with the middle America values that Tim Walz likes to talk about.

00:49:37.180 But the other thing is the rhetoric, what Andy was talking about.

00:49:40.800 If you're saying, if you could keep going around saying the other side, this will be the last election you ever had, Donald Trump's a dictator, if you vote for the Republicans, you're voting to end democracy, that creates an environment where people who are unstable or violent, you know, act out.

00:49:57.900 There have been two assassination attempts on Donald Trump's life.

00:50:01.380 If I were, I think J.D. Vance ought to ask Walz directly if he thinks that his rhetoric has helped create this environment.

00:50:09.300 Believe me, they do so, they, if it was, the shoe was on the other foot, the Democrats would do it.

00:50:14.480 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:50:15.660 I will say, if J.D. Vance does not mention the name Mamaw, I will fall off of my sofa.

00:50:22.520 That must be done.

00:50:23.940 But humanizing and a great personality who millions of Americans know, thanks to his book, Hail Billy Elegy and the movie.

00:50:30.220 I think we're going to hear Mamaw, we're going to hear Coach, we're going to hear Cat, and we're going to hear Dog.

00:50:35.480 And I'm not sure what else we should put on our drinking bingo card.

00:50:37.980 But give us some thought, and I'll come back to you after the break, and I'll ask for a word from each of you as the guys from Real Clear Politics.

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00:52:19.440 I have as much experience in the Congress as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency.

00:52:26.660 I will be prepared to deal with the people in the Bush administration if that unfortunate event would ever occur.

00:52:34.680 Senator Benson?

00:52:35.400 Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine.

00:52:46.620 Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.

00:52:53.220 That was really uncalled for, Senator.

00:52:57.140 Senator, you're the one that was making the comparisons.

00:53:05.400 Senator, and I'm one who knew him well, and frankly, I think you're so far apart in the objectives you choose for your country

00:53:14.300 that I did not think the comparison was well taken.

00:53:19.480 Seems so civilized. Mean, but civilized.

00:53:22.580 Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show.

00:53:23.880 My guests are the guys from the Real Clear Politics podcast and SiriusXM show.

00:53:27.920 Tom Bevin, co-founder and president of RCP.

00:53:30.080 Carl Cannon, Washington Bureau Chief, and Andrew Walworth, Chief Content Officer.

00:53:35.260 So it wasn't a great moment for Dan Quayle, but he won.

00:53:41.160 So it's kind of like, do the big moments matter or don't they?

00:53:47.460 What do you make of that when you look back at sort of these vice presidential debates over history?

00:53:51.020 Is there one you can point to that really changed the trajectory of the race?

00:53:59.240 Well, Carl was there for that one, so he should talk about that.

00:54:02.080 Well, I actually was.

00:54:03.780 Yeah, I covered that one.

00:54:05.240 It was, you know, Megan, you played that clip.

00:54:07.740 It's the most devastating exchange in a vice presidential debate.

00:54:10.700 It had no effect on the election.

00:54:13.060 You could also, you could argue it was a bit of a cheap shot.

00:54:15.780 But, you know, Quayle wasn't really comparing himself to John F. Kennedy.

00:54:19.700 He had been asked three times by the moderators about his experience.

00:54:24.240 Like, you've only been in the Senate one and a half terms.

00:54:26.840 You would house your 41 years old.

00:54:28.840 And he was, the point he was making is that John F. Kennedy had about the same amount of government experience.

00:54:35.280 What I think, Lloyd Benson was a good campaigner.

00:54:38.160 But I, what I thought at the time bothered him about it was Dan Quayle's draft record.

00:54:44.220 He went in the National Guard.

00:54:46.480 And John F. Kennedy was a war hero.

00:54:48.820 And Lloyd Benson was a war hero.

00:54:51.940 He flew 35 combat missions in World War II.

00:54:55.260 Jack Kennedy was not really a friend of his.

00:54:57.280 But they were colleagues and they were former comrades at arms.

00:55:00.880 And I think that was the point he was making.

00:55:03.100 But we've moved way far beyond that now.

00:55:05.340 I mean, George W. Bush went in the Air National Guard to avoid Vietnam.

00:55:10.540 You know, Bill Clinton pulled strings.

00:55:14.140 And so, you know, that's, I don't think people care about that kind of thing.

00:55:17.600 But if you're trying to think that this debate tonight matters in the outcome of this election,

00:55:22.760 you're hard-pressed to prove it by previous vice presidential debates.

00:55:26.880 Right.

00:55:27.520 It's much more interesting what's happening at the top of the ticket.

00:55:30.980 Now, Kamala Harris continues her, you know, it's the presidential protection program. 1.00

00:55:35.760 Basically, light, maybe.

00:55:37.620 It's not quite as bad as Joe Biden in the basement, but it's pretty bad.

00:55:41.640 And I've heard you guys talk about it on your podcast, too.

00:55:44.060 She really has done next to no interviews.

00:55:46.020 And the ones she's done have just been so sorely disappointing.

00:55:49.020 They don't really qualify as real interviews.

00:55:52.840 I mean, it's the Oprah thing was an ad.

00:55:56.200 It wasn't an interview.

00:55:57.960 And she's Oprah's not a journalist.

00:55:59.420 And that was very obvious.

00:56:01.000 So now Kamala sits down with these former NFL players on this podcast.

00:56:08.580 Okay.

00:56:09.480 Sorry.

00:56:09.980 NBA.

00:56:10.680 You know, me and sports.

00:56:11.560 NBA, yeah.

00:56:12.260 You know, I don't know.

00:56:13.640 Whatever.

00:56:14.180 It's the same thing, basically.

00:56:15.260 Very strong men who play sports with a ball.

00:56:21.060 She sits down with these guys.

00:56:22.820 And she made some news for her typically meandering, long-winded, word-salad answers.

00:56:28.900 But this one escaped our notice until yesterday.

00:56:31.440 Would you look at this?

00:56:33.500 Last question.

00:56:35.520 As someone who's broke a ton of barriers throughout your journey and your journey is continuing to elevate,

00:56:41.340 what does it mean to you to be the first woman president but the first black woman as president?

00:56:47.140 Well, not there yet.

00:56:48.440 Knock wood. 0.99

00:56:49.380 You should never hear nobody like you has done this before or it's not your time or they're not ready.

00:56:55.940 Like, don't hear that.

00:56:57.680 Don't hear that.

00:56:58.860 I eat no for breakfast.

00:57:01.240 That's my saying.

00:57:02.220 I eat no for breakfast.

00:57:05.100 Oh, my God.

00:57:06.180 Okay.

00:57:06.980 See, she's taken the John Wayne routine to the next level. 0.94

00:57:11.200 Her John Wayne routine has to do normally with the border.

00:57:13.980 I was a border street prosecutor and I got them their illegals out of that. 1.00

00:57:17.720 No.

00:57:18.380 She tries to act like she's a John Wayne-like figure in the state of California as a G trying to crack down on illegals. 1.00

00:57:24.420 It isn't true.

00:57:25.140 And here she can do, I eat no for breakfast, which reminded me of the actual article John Wayne.

00:57:31.000 Watch.

00:57:32.220 Well, here's my word.

00:57:36.100 Get the hell off my spread. 0.99

00:57:39.100 Now, get on off them horses. 1.00

00:57:41.180 I don't favor looking up to the likes of you.

00:57:43.360 If you say three, mister, you'll never hear the man count ten.

00:57:46.300 Every time you turn around, expect to see me.

00:57:48.900 There's one time you'll turn around and I'll be there.

00:57:52.540 I don't understand anything goes wrong, anything at all.

00:57:56.500 Your fault, my fault, nobody's fault.

00:57:58.960 It don't matter. 1.00

00:58:00.260 I'm going to blow your head off. 1.00

00:58:02.500 If you do that again, I'll break every bone in your body. 1.00

00:58:05.160 I'm going to use good judgment.

00:58:06.460 I haven't lost my temper in 40 years.

00:58:08.980 But Pilgrim, you caused a lot of trouble this morning.

00:58:11.420 Might have got somebody killed. 1.00

00:58:12.960 And somebody ought to belt you in the mouth. 1.00

00:58:15.520 But I won't. 0.99

00:58:16.700 I won't.

00:58:17.960 The hell I will.

00:58:18.960 Just like Kamala.

00:58:24.340 It's the same.

00:58:26.260 I eat no for breakfast.

00:58:28.640 What do you make of her John Wayne routine, Tom?

00:58:31.960 She would not call anyone Pilgrim.

00:58:33.900 That would be politically incorrect.

00:58:35.820 Right.

00:58:36.680 For them colonizers. 0.96

00:58:38.940 Exactly.

00:58:41.840 Yeah, look.

00:58:43.340 I saw some other clips from that interview.

00:58:45.940 She talked about, you know, her best friend when she was little.

00:58:50.500 And, you know, she's doing these things.

00:58:52.800 Yeah.

00:58:53.520 But not really getting, I think, the substance out there.

00:58:59.940 She's not really getting the substance out.

00:59:01.700 And to your point, the past week or so has been this, you know, real push to make her seem like she's really tough on the border.

00:59:09.980 And she's been, you know, trying to push this idea that, you know, she was tough on crime back when she was the Attorney General of California.

00:59:18.880 And her record just simply doesn't support it.

00:59:21.280 I mean, that's where the problem lies.

00:59:23.060 I mean, she is really trying to, and part of this is she's trying to run as someone different, a different direction.

00:59:30.360 The challenger, not the incumbent, when it all comes back to, well, what have you been doing for the last few years?

00:59:38.600 And that's a question that she's just, she's really struggled to answer.

00:59:42.420 No matter how tough the talk is, it is belied by the record on a lot of these issues, the border being the primary one.

00:59:50.520 And that's a problem she hasn't been able to solve.

00:59:53.540 Well, here's what jumps out about it to me.

00:59:55.940 You know, the audience has heard me say before, the seven-foot center doesn't tell you how tall he is.

00:59:59.440 If you've got to go out there and say, I eat no for breakfast, it's a lie.

01:00:04.580 You don't, actual tough guys or gals don't talk like that. 0.92

01:00:09.540 They don't have to.

01:00:11.140 And this, as it turns out, is one of her favorite sayings, which was unbeknownst to me until she used it on these NBA former players.

01:00:19.380 Look at this.

01:00:20.280 Watch.

01:00:21.200 I eat no for breakfast.

01:00:23.060 Another saying.

01:00:25.140 I eat no for breakfast.

01:00:26.640 I don't hear no until maybe the 10th time.

01:00:31.400 Don't hear no.

01:00:33.080 Don't hear no.

01:00:34.460 I eat no for breakfast.

01:00:36.240 Oh, my God.

01:00:36.800 You know what?

01:00:37.200 I eat no for breakfast.

01:00:40.220 I eat no for breakfast.

01:00:41.800 I eat eggs.

01:00:42.880 No.

01:00:43.380 I eat no for breakfast.

01:00:44.560 Oh, God.

01:00:45.140 Someone says it can't be done.

01:00:47.640 I can't hear that.

01:00:48.660 I have a motto.

01:00:51.380 I drink, I eat and drink no for breakfast.

01:00:55.320 Oh, both of you.

01:00:56.360 Drink it, drink it, too.

01:00:57.580 What did you tell yourself to keep going just to bypass all that?

01:00:59.640 I eat no for breakfast.

01:01:00.920 I know, that's right.

01:01:01.800 Let me just tell you, I eat no for breakfast.

01:01:04.060 It's a hearty breakfast.

01:01:05.000 Don't hear no.

01:01:08.260 I eat no for breakfast.

01:01:10.440 Don't hear no.

01:01:15.620 Always believe in what can be unburdened by what has been.

01:01:20.860 Oh.

01:01:22.480 I can't.

01:01:24.840 I was just going to say it's the new unburdened, but she actually did the combo there. 0.97

01:01:28.600 I would like to give you just another chance to dial back Churchillian Andrew. 0.97

01:01:35.880 I rest my case.

01:01:41.160 He ate Germans for breakfast. 0.81

01:01:43.420 Yeah.

01:01:43.920 Okay.

01:01:46.780 Once again, I was talking about that statement that she made.

01:01:50.720 Not this one.

01:01:51.300 But, you know, it raises another interesting point, which is just, you know, this strategy

01:01:57.240 of not doing the mainstream press, but being on these podcasts and YouTube shows, both

01:02:03.020 candidates and both teams are doing it.

01:02:06.540 You know, this podcast she was on, it's called All the Smoke, and it's hosted by two former

01:02:14.440 NBA players.

01:02:15.400 They're both former warriors.

01:02:16.960 Tom might know better than me, but I'm pretty sure they're both warriors.

01:02:20.980 And they have a million subscribers on YouTube.

01:02:24.980 So, you know, not as big as Megyn Kelly, for sure, but important place.

01:02:31.420 And, you know, they're trying to reach out to male voters.

01:02:35.060 They have a lot of problem with young men, young African-American men in particular.

01:02:39.780 So just in terms of where are you going to show up and who you're going to talk to, I

01:02:43.560 don't think this was a crazy idea.

01:02:44.960 I thought it was pretty good.

01:02:45.960 Um, and, uh, I've listened to the same clips.

01:02:49.260 Um, she did talk about that she's up for legalizing marijuana.

01:02:53.940 Uh, and, uh, she's admitted before that she smoked when she was in college, but, um, that

01:02:59.300 was sort of the only sort of news she made on these, on that podcast.

01:03:03.020 But it's not about making news.

01:03:04.520 I think it's about getting her in front of a young demographic, particularly male demographic 0.92

01:03:09.680 and particularly African-American.

01:03:11.060 And, okay, but what's interesting about that strategy is that's not a bad idea.

01:03:15.080 You watch Trump doing it.

01:03:16.300 He's been, you're right.

01:03:17.000 He's been doing it too.

01:03:17.840 You like went on Sean Ryan, Theo Vaughn.

01:03:20.140 He's done a lot of these podcasts, um, that have very high male viewership, I presume.

01:03:26.600 And, um, the difference I would suggest is that more exposure to Trump in that setting

01:03:33.440 will make these young men like him.

01:03:35.400 And I don't think you can assume the same for her.

01:03:37.560 She's very off-putting. 0.98

01:03:39.540 I just can't find, I can't imagine that young black men are going to listen to her talk like 1.00

01:03:47.580 that and be like, that's my girl.

01:03:50.380 Yes.

01:03:51.000 Right.

01:03:51.440 She eats no for breakfast.

01:03:53.300 These, I just, there's no man who's going to say she's my champion.

01:04:00.860 I, am I crazy?

01:04:02.140 Maybe I've just lost the ability to see how others see her, Tom or Carl.

01:04:07.160 I, I can't imagine the man.

01:04:11.260 Well, she, it's, it's unpersuasive, Megan.

01:04:14.640 I mean, I, I'm from California who in California politics has ever told her no for any meal,

01:04:21.200 breakfast, lunch, or dinner.

01:04:22.380 I mean, the thing is she says it.

01:04:24.620 So she says it so often you start weighing it.

01:04:27.320 Wait a minute.

01:04:27.860 Does that make any sense?

01:04:28.880 She has the same, I, I don't know.

01:04:31.800 She has the same three or four vignettes and stock phrases.

01:04:35.380 And the question kind of pops in your mind, has she really led that uneventful a life?

01:04:40.580 I just, there's something missing there and I can't put my finger on it.

01:04:45.160 Hmm.

01:04:46.040 Um, that's a good point.

01:04:47.420 I mean, I, I imagine Willie Brown's wife was feeling no, and that was eaten for breakfast

01:04:54.140 by Kamala Harris.

01:04:56.300 They were estranged.

01:04:57.440 They were estranged at the time.

01:04:58.620 Go ahead, Tom, what were you going to say?

01:05:00.060 I was just going to say, you know, I, in a prior life before I started real clear politics,

01:05:03.780 I was in advertising and marketing and there was the phrase that, that we use called, you

01:05:08.460 know, you spend a strength, right?

01:05:10.160 And we see this where it's, it's, it's probably, I understand the strategy, right?

01:05:16.060 We're going to, we have trouble with men.

01:05:17.840 So we're going to go try and convert some men into, into Harris voters.

01:05:21.000 But to your point, Megan, that's not necessarily an easy task.

01:05:26.160 Her strength is with women. 0.99

01:05:27.340 And it's probably, um, better for her to go on female podcasts and be able to convince 1.00

01:05:34.880 one more woman who's on the fence about Trump, make the same, make the arguments. 0.99

01:05:39.260 And she would be much more believable.

01:05:42.380 Uh, she would be much more, uh, empathetic and be able to make a connection as opposed 0.89

01:05:47.580 to trying to convert, uh, a new voter away from Donald Trump.

01:05:52.060 So maybe it's, maybe it's the right strategy.

01:05:54.640 Maybe it's the wrong strategy, but I, I kind of agree with you.

01:05:57.060 I mean, and we've seen the gender gap this year is as big as it's ever been in some polls.

01:06:01.100 It's 35, even 40 points.

01:06:02.920 Um, it's massive and she's obviously doing well with women, but, but really, really struggling 0.59

01:06:08.200 with men.

01:06:08.700 And so, um, that's clearly a strategy and we'll see whether it pays off or not.

01:06:12.720 Tom, let me stay with you for a second, because, uh, she's also struggling with Latino voters

01:06:16.800 in a way we haven't really seen on the democratic side.

01:06:19.940 I don't know, in a long time, if ever, um, there was just, the latest was, uh, an NBC poll.

01:06:25.920 It was registered Latino voters showing that, um, the headline was Democrats advantage with

01:06:31.300 Latino voters continues to shrink.

01:06:33.660 It showed her with a 14 point percentage point advantage over Trump with Latino voters overall.

01:06:40.040 Harris at 54, Trump at 40.

01:06:42.040 But historically in 2012, Dems were plus 44, plus 44 with Hispanics in 16, Dems were plus

01:06:51.860 38 and 20.

01:06:53.100 It was Dems plus 33.

01:06:54.840 So that plus 14 now looks downright puny.

01:06:59.100 And with Latino men, they're tied 47 to 47. 0.97

01:07:05.320 Biden had a plus 20 lead over Trump with Latino men.

01:07:10.160 So what's happening there?

01:07:11.860 Well, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a massive shift.

01:07:15.820 And if you go all the way back, uh, since 1980, we just did an analysis of this since 1980,

01:07:21.780 Democrats have had a 33 point advantage, uh, on average in every election since 1980.

01:07:27.480 And as you mentioned, Biden was right there at 33.

01:07:30.360 Um, the, actually the biggest was Bill Clinton's reelection in 1996.

01:07:34.620 He won the Hispanic vote.

01:07:36.680 He got 72%.

01:07:37.760 He won it by 51 points, um, over Bob Dole.

01:07:41.640 And then Barack Obama's reelection in 2012, as you mentioned, 44 points, he got 71% of

01:07:46.960 the vote.

01:07:47.120 The highest Republican, uh, support that has been gotten in recent memory was, was George

01:07:53.440 W. Bush, his reelection.

01:07:55.020 He got 40, uh, 40 points.

01:07:56.920 Trump's currently at 42 in an average of the most recent national polls in that Telemundo

01:08:02.120 poll.

01:08:02.480 He was at 40 and others.

01:08:03.540 He's been higher.

01:08:04.240 So it's a big problem.

01:08:05.520 And as you mentioned, same thing with, with black voters, it's skews, right?

01:08:09.400 Gender based.

01:08:10.360 So, uh, you know, Trump's getting more support among men, uh, Hispanic men and black men.

01:08:16.140 But overall, I mean, uh, a 14 point advantage on Hispanics is, is not going to get it done. 1.00

01:08:22.280 And certainly not in a lot of these swing States.

01:08:24.220 When you think about, you know, Nevada, Arizona, uh, Georgia, North Carolina, I mean, that is

01:08:28.600 just not good enough.

01:08:29.800 Uh, so they, they have a lot of work to do and not a lot of time to do it.

01:08:33.060 Yeah.

01:08:33.320 The Democrats do.

01:08:34.040 Yeah.

01:08:34.620 Not good enough for the, you could be missing the secret reason, Andrew.

01:08:38.240 I'll give this one to you.

01:08:39.640 Um, Maria Hinojosa, who had a show on public radio and is an MSNBC contributor, sees a different

01:08:45.620 reason for the trend amongst Latinos toward Trump.

01:08:51.020 Sot 29 watches.

01:08:53.120 Why is that?

01:08:54.080 Why is the democratic share of the, of the Latino vote shrinking?

01:08:59.620 And what I said to you when we asked the question was Latinos want to be white. 1.00

01:09:05.040 They want to be with the cool kids.

01:09:07.540 They want to be, I'm asking Latinos all the time. 1.00

01:09:10.280 And they just say, well, it said Donald Trump is done when they were saying that he's such

01:09:14.860 a good businessman.

01:09:16.160 It's like, no, he's not.

01:09:17.540 He had bankruptcies, but they don't want to be identified with all of those other immigrants 1.00

01:09:23.180 that Donald Trump speaks so badly of, including me as a Mexican immigrant.

01:09:27.460 So they're like, we'd rather we, let's be with him.

01:09:30.520 But those numbers, they could cost Kamala Harris the election. 0.86

01:09:36.120 Everything that I've been saying that Latinos could push her over the top. 1.00

01:09:39.180 These are the numbers that could also take her down. 0.94

01:09:41.460 Andrew, it's because they want to be white. 0.95

01:09:46.320 That's the secret reason.

01:09:48.760 I was going to say, I agree with her on one point, which is that these numbers are bad

01:09:52.460 for Kamala Harris and it could possibly make the difference, especially in a couple of 0.81

01:09:56.860 those swing states.

01:09:57.700 But that is just, that's a horrible way of viewing America.

01:10:02.680 And it's a horrible way, I think, of viewing any groups.

01:10:05.840 And we've done this to ourselves by carving the country up into these sort of demographic 1.00

01:10:13.300 categories and expecting them to act as a block.

01:10:17.860 And anyone who really knows the Hispanic voting block, and I'm talking about people like people

01:10:22.600 like Peter Scarry and other people who are really expert on this, know that there is such

01:10:27.840 a wide variety among the people who are, who we've categorized as Hispanic.

01:10:32.880 They're very different.

01:10:34.020 Cuban, Cuban Americans are very different than Mexican Americans.

01:10:37.060 They all have separate, you know, stories.

01:10:39.340 The evangelical Latino immigrants are very different than the Catholic immigrants. 0.99

01:10:48.380 So we shouldn't lump them all together.

01:10:50.220 That's my first thing.

01:10:51.000 But if you're going to lump them together, looking at those polls that Tom was talking

01:10:55.700 about, you were talking about Latinos are not with Kamala Harris on the border.

01:11:01.480 They, the borders, they trust Trump over Kamala Harris by, I think, I think it's double digits

01:11:07.560 now.

01:11:08.300 And their number one issue is the economy, just like most Americans.

01:11:13.480 So they, you know, it's a big voting block.

01:11:17.580 20% of the voters in Nevada and Arizona are categorized as Hispanic or Latino.

01:11:24.480 When you get to 20% of any sample, you start to look like the sample itself.

01:11:30.640 I think, so that is just, that's my two bits on it.

01:11:34.940 And I think that we really, if I, if I were running things, I wouldn't even talk about the

01:11:40.080 Hispanic vote because I don't think there, I don't think there is such a thing anymore.

01:11:43.680 How do you like that?

01:11:44.300 Oh, well, maybe they've become white. 0.93

01:11:47.040 Maybe they've achieved their secret goal, according to Maria. 0.88

01:11:50.660 Well, that's, that's, that's, that's a witless thing to say, isn't it, Megan, what she said

01:11:55.160 on that?

01:11:55.580 I mean, yeah, but, but the point is, is that Latin, Latin immigrants believe in the American

01:12:03.180 dream.

01:12:03.620 And so if you have a party that's constantly denigrating the country, you're going to be

01:12:08.720 culturally at odds with them.

01:12:10.560 Mike Madrid, who knows a lot more about it than most people, long, he was in Republican

01:12:16.100 politics in California for three decades, wrote a book.

01:12:18.320 I think it came out in June.

01:12:19.700 And he said that Latinos are the new, are the, of this cycle are the Reagan Democrats of

01:12:25.580 1984.

01:12:26.160 And for the same reason, because they believe that the Republican party now speaks for working

01:12:33.160 class people.

01:12:34.060 And so, you know, the Roosevelt, if that's true, the Franklin Roosevelt coalition is now

01:12:39.360 officially dead.

01:12:40.780 The Republicans have emerged, at least in the minds of working class people as the party

01:12:44.500 of working, of the working class.

01:12:46.260 And that encompasses most Latinos.

01:12:49.620 It's remarkable.

01:12:50.960 The last thing to say about it real quick, Megan, is just that it's the fastest growing

01:12:54.340 portion of the electorate in the United States.

01:12:56.540 It was 10% in 2012.

01:12:58.600 It was 13% in 2016.

01:13:01.260 And now projected to be this year, 14.7% of all eligible voters will be Hispanics.

01:13:08.580 And that's, you know, that is now the largest group, minority group in the United States.

01:13:17.860 I think you mean Latinx, but I'll forgive it on the fly. 1.00

01:13:22.100 Is that how you say that, Megan?

01:13:23.280 Megan, I've always wondered how you say that.

01:13:24.720 I thought it was Latinx.

01:13:25.320 It depends on who you ask.

01:13:26.420 We actually did a deep dive on this, trying to figure it out.

01:13:28.480 Is it Latinx or is it Latinx?

01:13:30.400 And there's a division amongst the experts.

01:13:33.040 Of course.

01:13:34.580 Carl, you mentioned earlier, like 20 minutes ago, about something about the rhetoric around

01:13:40.080 Trump.

01:13:41.400 And, you know, how if he's Hitler, that's how you have to behave. 0.72

01:13:44.480 You have to see that all the way through.

01:13:45.700 And it's been 15 days since the second assassination attempt on his life.

01:13:53.660 It's completely forgotten.

01:13:55.720 Absolutely no one is mentioning anything about it.

01:13:57.960 Other than you guys, I haven't seen Secret Service stories.

01:14:00.360 God bless Susan Crabtree. 1.00

01:14:01.480 He's doing such a great job for you guys.

01:14:03.400 I go to her all the time.

01:14:04.660 I mean, she was just on your show the other day.

01:14:06.620 She's amazing.

01:14:07.300 But as you know, she stands alone for a number of reasons.

01:14:11.740 And just this morning, there was a Princeton professor by the name of Eddie Glaude, who was

01:14:19.640 on MSNBC.

01:14:21.320 He started crying over Trump's dog's rhetoric.

01:14:26.780 And listen to how he described Donald Trump two weeks after the man had a second attempt

01:14:33.340 on his life.

01:14:34.000 Watch.

01:14:35.160 He's dangerous.

01:14:37.300 He's dangerous to particular people.

01:14:40.460 And the history of the country is such that we can't play fast and loose with it.

01:14:47.280 Fast and loose.

01:14:47.860 But isn't it incumbent on all of us to protect the people who are in danger by him?

01:14:52.180 But you never have.

01:14:55.060 That's the rub.

01:14:57.380 You never have. 0.90

01:14:58.540 Because we've got to keep this troglodyte out of office. 1.00

01:15:01.860 Because if he comes in, our babies are going to be in danger.

01:15:04.740 Because remember, those young children are going to grow up with the memory of having

01:15:09.860 to not go to school for the threat of bombs.

01:15:12.520 And somebody told them that their moms and dads eat cats.

01:15:15.620 It's if they eat cats and dogs.

01:15:17.460 I'll get myself together with Claire.

01:15:22.420 Okay.

01:15:22.900 Take a minute.

01:15:23.740 Deep breaths.

01:15:25.200 Well, what about that?

01:15:26.260 I understand.

01:15:26.740 I understand what you're saying.

01:15:30.020 He's dangerous, Carl.

01:15:32.720 Downright dangerous.

01:15:34.000 He's the dangerous one.

01:15:35.200 Yeah, so this is the point I was making.

01:15:39.640 I'll expound a little bit.

01:15:41.680 When Bill Clinton was president and the country's discourse seemed to go off the rails for a while,

01:15:49.620 there were people, there would be an event, Rush Limbaugh would say something terrible about

01:15:54.380 Bill Clinton's daughter or, you know, and then later when Gabby Giffords was shot.

01:15:58.980 And the media and the Democratic Party were very quick to look at Republicans and conservatives

01:16:04.400 and to ask them, to pose the question, do you feel at all responsible for this rhetoric?

01:16:09.920 Yes, it's an unhinged person who did this thing.

01:16:12.720 But you create an environment where unhinged people are going to listen to you.

01:16:17.320 And so, you know, you said that Bill Clinton is a socialist or whatever you said, you know, 0.97

01:16:22.780 that he doesn't want, you know, he'll kill babies.

01:16:24.800 Well, I, those principles were right.

01:16:28.780 It's incumbent on people when they're talking to be at least in a measured, at least in an

01:16:34.380 area where they're not demonizing the other side.

01:16:38.040 And then the Democratic Party and much of the media has done this now for eight or nine

01:16:42.440 years with Donald Trump.

01:16:43.940 And I, you know, we talked about this in our podcast, as you know, Megan, I mean, two,

01:16:48.560 two women tried to kill Jerry Ford in a 17 day period. 0.98

01:16:52.040 So, and he was the most benign person we've ever had in that office, the least offensive.

01:16:57.500 So you can't totally go by what the nuts do, but you'd think these people would use their

01:17:01.960 own standards that they applied to Republicans on violent rhetoric.

01:17:06.140 And at least think about what they're saying.

01:17:08.460 And I just don't see any evidence that they're doing that.

01:17:10.740 And you see, when they go on MSNBC, the anchors not only don't try to rein them back, they

01:17:15.500 encourage them and try to push them to say even more incendiary things.

01:17:18.840 I, it's a problem.

01:17:20.140 It's a problem, no matter who wins this election, how are you going to govern a country of 330

01:17:24.620 million people when a half of the people who vote think the winner is a monster and the

01:17:30.480 winner wants to, you know, and the loser think, or, or the winning side thinks, thank God, 0.67

01:17:35.380 those, those people would have killed us. 0.98

01:17:37.020 They would have killed our babies. 0.97

01:17:38.320 It's not, it's not helpful.

01:17:39.880 And I expect, I blame the media for a lot of this.

01:17:45.100 That's not our, our historic role is to bring people back from the brink and to remind them

01:17:50.040 of what unites us.

01:17:51.840 And you just don't, there, there, you see less of that and far, far too little of it

01:17:57.740 than is needed.

01:17:58.640 There's my speech.

01:17:59.420 And what happened there, now I like your speech.

01:18:01.400 And what happened there, Andrew, was instead of the anchor, Nicole Wallace, even trying to

01:18:06.020 fact check that Trump's rhetoric led to bomb threats, which is not proven at all.

01:18:12.960 We know that Trump said what he said during the debate.

01:18:15.180 We know that there have been some testimonials out of Springfield to that effect, um, and

01:18:19.860 had been at the time.

01:18:21.260 And then we know that there were bomb threats that came from some foreign country that was

01:18:25.320 described by the governor as a hoax.

01:18:27.420 It was a hoax, not upset Republicans about the dogs being eaten, not that.

01:18:35.660 That this was in no way the fault of Donald Trump, at least not according to any evidence

01:18:39.460 we've seen, but she allowed that guy to pin it on Trump as evidence that he is dangerous.

01:18:46.400 I mean, it's just completely reckless the way the media behaves, the way MSNBC has been

01:18:50.440 behaving.

01:18:51.600 And that panelist, I mean, the Princeton, remember when we used to want to go to Princeton, we

01:18:55.900 looked at places like Princeton and Brown and Harvard as like the great places to, for

01:19:00.140 us to wind up or now our kids to wind up.

01:19:02.140 Those days are gone.

01:19:03.980 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:19:04.480 Well, you should have called on Tom.

01:19:06.800 He went to Princeton.

01:19:08.440 Yeah, Tom, I blame you is really what I'm trying to get at.

01:19:13.620 Well, I think that, uh, that they see this causality as only being in one direction too,

01:19:18.200 which is the other problem.

01:19:19.020 And the idea that, as you say, it's been not, it's been disproven that Trump's rhetoric

01:19:23.860 had anything to do with those bomb threats.

01:19:25.420 Uh, but if that were true, uh, why wouldn't it be equally true that the democratic rhetoric

01:19:31.880 would be driving people to, uh, make these assassination attempts and threats against

01:19:37.340 Donald Trump?

01:19:38.040 I mean, you can't have it one way and not the other, you know?

01:19:40.960 So I think that's the problem.

01:19:42.920 And yeah, I mean, I think, you know, Carl's very eloquent on this and that's why we have

01:19:46.800 him on the radio and he's so good is that our job in the media is to try to bring the

01:19:52.680 rhetoric down a little bit and have, you know, good disagreement and policy differences and

01:19:59.340 argue and have fun doing it.

01:20:01.220 Uh, at least we, we try to, uh, but you know, at the end of the day, uh, there is a lot more

01:20:06.660 that unites us than divides us, uh, as a country.

01:20:08.980 And we should be reminded of that from time to time by our media, even though I don't think

01:20:14.140 that's the media's primary job.

01:20:15.640 The media's primary job is to mine these differences and to show their listeners, their readers,

01:20:22.140 their viewers, uh, try to get politicians to go on the record and say what they're going

01:20:28.080 to do if they had power.

01:20:29.520 We give these politicians so much power in this country right now, and we do have a responsibility

01:20:34.740 to uphold their feet to the fire and find out what they're, what they're going to do.

01:20:37.920 And I think we've, I think we've failed largely in that regard, at least, uh, with this current

01:20:43.940 ticket on the democratic side.

01:20:45.260 You know, I'll tell you this, Tom Bevan, I went to Syracuse, did not go to Princeton and

01:20:50.180 my roommate in, um, in, in my dorm.

01:20:53.540 And then for a couple of years thereafter was from the town of Princeton and had gone to

01:20:57.160 Princeton day school, uh, growing up.

01:20:59.680 And so I would go back to Princeton with her from time to time.

01:21:02.220 And we'd go to the reunions, which are very big at Princeton and, you know, such a collection

01:21:07.180 of smart people like you.

01:21:09.760 And, uh, I remember thinking, God, what a wonderful place.

01:21:12.260 It seems just has such a character.

01:21:15.300 It's everyone seems to really be very proud of the fact that they're from Princeton,

01:21:18.660 imagine yourself back when you went, I feel like we're around the same age, walking into

01:21:24.120 a class at Princeton, sitting down with this guy and getting the tears crying about how

01:21:31.620 dangerous the Republican presidential candidate is.

01:21:35.100 Then getting the finger pointed at you.

01:21:38.220 You haven't stopped it. 0.89

01:21:40.000 You white person, which is clear implication in Nicole Wallace. 0.71

01:21:43.140 You haven't, you haven't stopped it, um, by this man who's blubbering about non facts about

01:21:50.960 made up facts.

01:21:52.060 We don't know why some unknown foreign actor called him bomb threats.

01:21:56.000 It could have been to try to make Trump look bad.

01:21:58.500 It could have been in response to the Springfield city council meeting at which all of these claims

01:22:05.100 were made on camp.

01:22:05.840 We have no idea, but imagine the amount of disinformation and emotionality being thrust at

01:22:11.380 you at Princeton University, where this guy teaches.

01:22:16.800 Right.

01:22:17.560 Along with Paul Krugman and, uh, you know, some, some other left-leaning individuals.

01:22:23.600 Yeah.

01:22:24.000 Look, obviously, Princeton's campus, uh, is, is way different today than it was when I was

01:22:30.560 there, uh, you know, 35 years ago.

01:22:33.380 So, um, as our most college campuses around the country.

01:22:37.220 But the, the other thing that bothers me about this is a lot of this rhetoric is that, you

01:22:43.720 know, Trump's already been in office.

01:22:45.840 I remember in 2015, one of my kids came home from school distraught.

01:22:50.200 He was in the second grade and because his teacher had told him that if Donald Trump was

01:22:54.480 elected, that his friend who originally came was from China was going to be sent out of the

01:23:00.860 country.

01:23:01.180 I mean, these were the sort of fear that was being peddled, right?

01:23:05.160 If Donald Trump gets elected, this will happen.

01:23:07.440 All these terrible things will happen.

01:23:08.660 Well, Donald Trump got elected.

01:23:10.580 You may like him.

01:23:11.560 You may not like him.

01:23:12.220 You may hate him.

01:23:12.780 The country didn't end.

01:23:14.560 Um, you know, we didn't have all these terrible things, you know, happening.

01:23:18.940 And, and so here we are now, uh, again, you know, he's already been president.

01:23:24.440 What is Eddie Glaude?

01:23:25.280 What does he think?

01:23:26.560 Uh, he thinks that, you know, he's trying to peddle this fear that all these things are going

01:23:29.960 to happen and to, to all these terrible things, to all these Americans.

01:23:34.300 And I, I simply think that most Americans don't think that because we've already lived

01:23:38.380 through a Trump presidency.

01:23:39.440 Again, whether you liked it or didn't like it, the world did not come to an end.

01:23:43.360 And so a lot of this stuff, this fear mongering, uh, falls flat to a lot of people.

01:23:48.880 I will say to the professor, what no woman wants any man to say to her, calm down, just calm

01:23:56.760 down as Hemmer used to say, when we co-hosted, co-hosted America's newsroom, sim the mer.

01:24:02.260 Okay.

01:24:02.640 Just sim the mer.

01:24:03.900 Um, we're going to be just fine.

01:24:06.020 Okay.

01:24:06.340 You guys, what a pleasure as always love seeing you all.

01:24:09.420 And Andrew, I accept your apology and I forgive you.

01:24:13.180 I'll keep them in line, Megan.

01:24:17.140 Don't worry.

01:24:18.060 Good man.

01:24:19.200 Good to see you guys.

01:24:20.620 Thanks.

01:24:21.440 Thank you.

01:24:22.520 All right.

01:24:23.140 Coming up next, Joe Paggs is here.

01:24:24.920 Looking forward to talking to Joe Paggs.

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01:26:27.220 Here to join us with more in advance of tonight's big vice presidential debate, my friend Joe

01:26:34.600 Paggs, host of the Joe Paggs show, which you can find at JoePaggs.com.

01:26:39.100 All right, Joe, great to see you again.

01:26:40.780 So what are you looking for in watching tonight's big debate?

01:26:45.120 Megan, thanks for having me back on.

01:26:46.480 I'm sorry I'm a little sluggish today.

01:26:47.860 I'm busy eating a lot of no for breakfast.

01:26:51.440 Drinking it too, right? 0.99

01:26:52.380 I'm looking forward to you minding your own damn business. 0.99

01:26:55.360 That's what I'm looking forward to that. 0.99

01:26:57.120 I'm looking forward to how Walls is going to sort of frame himself as Minnesota.

01:27:02.060 Minnesota Tim, you're just a regular guy.

01:27:04.420 And J.D. Vance is the elitist from Harvard or from Yale, I should say.

01:27:08.180 When in reality, we know the story of J.D. Vance.

01:27:10.860 He's the Appalachia kid who, you know, we know his entire full story.

01:27:14.760 Walls, we have no idea why he was in China.

01:27:16.900 We know that he lied about his military service.

01:27:19.100 But he's going to try to frame himself as the regular guy that gets the regular American. 0.78

01:27:23.780 And J.D. Vance is way above everybody.

01:27:25.520 This hotty toddy lawyer guy.

01:27:28.600 I don't think it's going to work.

01:27:29.920 I think that people know who J.D. Vance is.

01:27:31.800 And I think that they don't know who Tim Walls is.

01:27:33.900 This is literally his opportunity to say, this is who I am.

01:27:37.220 And he's got to keep the act up.

01:27:38.880 It's not easy when you keep lying.

01:27:40.660 And he's been lying about who he is for a long time.

01:27:42.280 Megan, do you know when he went to China and how long he was there?

01:27:45.400 Was he in the National Guard when he was in China?

01:27:47.120 What was he learning in China?

01:27:48.380 Was he teaching Chinese economy really to Minnesota school students?

01:27:52.080 We don't know anything about this guy, but he's going to pretend like he's just the regular guy.

01:27:55.920 Yeah, I know a lot of trips to China.

01:27:58.580 I think that the James Comer thing saying I have a whistleblower from inside DHS saying there's internal correspondence amongst DHS employees on a on a group chat expressing concerns about him potentially being compromised by the CCP.

01:28:13.500 That smells to me like a favor to team Trump Vance to leak such a thing on the day of the vice presidential debate.

01:28:19.460 I agree.

01:28:19.840 But separate and apart from that, it's a fair question.

01:28:22.700 I mean, who else has gone to China?

01:28:25.220 Now it's 15.

01:28:26.000 Used to be 30.

01:28:26.680 Now it's 15.

01:28:27.360 About 15 times who says he's never been treated so well in all of his life, who praises it as a wonderful place where they just share, where the doctor makes the same as the construction worker.

01:28:37.600 It absolutely embracing, you know, the communist approach to like that.

01:28:42.880 That all sounds very weird.

01:28:44.260 And Comer's letter does raise a good point, which is the State Department has been actually concerned about China trying to turn or reach out to our gubernatorial leaders for quite some time now.

01:28:57.400 So it's not all smoke and mirrors.

01:28:59.520 Well, it's not.

01:29:00.460 And his former students all say he was very, very high on China.

01:29:03.720 Listen, I've gone to China.

01:29:05.220 I adopted my daughter, Gia, from China.

01:29:06.760 I'm not against the Chinese people, but the system is scary. 1.00

01:29:09.660 When you're there, you know you're not in America.

01:29:11.420 When you're there, you know that you're under authoritarian rule.

01:29:13.780 You realize that.

01:29:14.600 You feel that around you.

01:29:16.120 This guy embraced it, loved it, and taught it in class.

01:29:18.900 Megan, think about it this way.

01:29:20.260 What if Donald Trump and J.D. Vance were both supported by and endorsed by Putin and by Iran, and the vice presidential nominee spent a bunch of time, 15 times in China?

01:29:29.400 How do you think the press would react to that?

01:29:32.580 That's a good question.

01:29:33.280 It's kind of simple, right?

01:29:33.900 So Team Trump Vance is getting smarter now and more targeted in its advertising, which is good because we have five weeks to go.

01:29:43.020 I mean, it's down to it now.

01:29:45.100 Five weeks left.

01:29:45.820 And thankfully, one of the things they did was run an ad on her weird trans prisoner stance in her own hand, filled out in her ACLU questionnaire in 2019 during NFL—I don't watch the NFL—during NFL Sunday Night Football. 0.88

01:30:01.680 I know it happened there because I heard Charlemagne say it, but here's the ad that they ran.

01:30:05.500 Kamala supports taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners.

01:30:10.240 Surgery.

01:30:11.740 For prisoners.

01:30:12.840 For prisoners.

01:30:13.880 Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access. 0.55

01:30:19.360 It's hard to believe, but it's true. 0.93

01:30:21.440 Even the liberal media was shocked Kamala supports taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners and illegal aliens.

01:30:27.980 Every transgender inmate would have access. 0.98

01:30:31.280 Kamala's for they-them. 0.97

01:30:32.980 President Trump is for you.

01:30:34.280 I'm Donald J. Trump, and I approve this message.

01:30:37.860 And here's Charlemagne, the god, reacting.

01:30:41.300 Watch this.

01:30:42.780 I'll tell you what.

01:30:43.620 That ad they was running during the football games this weekend claiming the vice president supports funding gender transition surgeries for all prison inmates and migrants in the U.S.

01:30:51.180 That was nuts.

01:30:52.320 I don't know if it was—

01:30:53.580 I wouldn't say nuts, but that was crazy.

01:30:55.000 That was funny.

01:30:55.760 I don't know if it was the backdrop of football, but when you hear the narrator say Kamala supports taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners, that one line, I was like,

01:31:04.100 hell, no, I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that.

01:31:06.120 I definitely see that.

01:31:07.060 That ad was effective.

01:31:08.600 It literally said that Kamala supports taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners.

01:31:13.820 And it talks about how, you know, she supports funding gender transition surgeries for all prison inmates and migrants in the United States.

01:31:22.000 That ad was impactful.

01:31:23.460 I don't know.

01:31:23.900 Like, it was.

01:31:24.500 I'm not going to lie. 0.99

01:31:25.060 I was like, damn. 0.99

01:31:25.500 Was it because it was doing football? 0.99

01:31:26.780 Yes.

01:31:27.040 I think it was doing it because it was doing football.

01:31:28.700 I don't think I would have paid that commercial no attention if it was any other time.

01:31:34.420 What do you make of it, Joe?

01:31:36.180 I think he's absolutely right.

01:31:37.600 It's funny that he said that the ad claimed that she wants this.

01:31:41.240 He's still sort of couching it a little bit.

01:31:42.620 Remember, this is the same guy, Charlemagne.

01:31:44.480 I don't know the guy.

01:31:45.280 He seems like a very good broadcaster.

01:31:46.540 But Joe Biden said, if you don't know to vote for me or vote for Trump, you ain't black.

01:31:51.180 And Charlemagne just took it.

01:31:52.280 So he's still kind of couching it.

01:31:54.060 But he's right. 0.97

01:31:54.880 As a manly man like I am, clearly, if I were watching football and that popped up or watching boxing and that popped up or watching something that's filled with testosterone and virility, I probably would go, holy crap, really? 0.91

01:32:06.140 That's what she wants? 0.98

01:32:07.420 And the fact is, that's what she wants.

01:32:09.180 That's what she's always wanted.

01:32:10.240 And Megan, it's never made any sense to me why that side thinks, catering to less than 1% of all population about this trans stuff, it never made any sense why they keep on doing that.

01:32:21.740 Why did she sign that thing?

01:32:22.760 Why did she run on that? 0.86

01:32:23.600 Why did she say that in the debate? 0.96

01:32:25.240 I don't get why they do it.

01:32:26.640 I think they think they'll get the broad LGBTQXYZ123 people to then vote for them.

01:32:31.660 I don't think so.

01:32:32.380 I don't think anybody is okay with spending our money to give somebody some vanity surgery to make them feel better because they came here illegally or because they're locked up. 0.94

01:32:41.200 It doesn't make sense to me, to be honest.

01:32:43.140 So we're going to fund the sex change operations of serial killers.

01:32:46.000 Makes a lot of sense.

01:32:46.840 That's exactly where we want our taxpayer dollars going.

01:32:49.080 Meanwhile, the Biden administration is saying that we need to dig deep into our pockets to help the victims of Hurricane Helene.

01:32:55.700 So we just gave another, what, $2.6 billion to Ukraine, and he's turning around to American citizens saying, I need more.

01:33:01.320 I need more of your money because we don't have it in our federal coffers to help the people who are suffering in the wake of – but we do have it, according to Kamala Harris, to pay for the sex change operations of serial killers and people in this country illegally.

01:33:14.020 Help it – make it make sense.

01:33:16.080 Well, I can't because I'm rational, I'm reasonable, and I'm logical like you.

01:33:19.460 As we're watching this unfold, we see the guy walking around in his fatigues the other day, this little dictator guy.

01:33:24.640 You might not feel that way I do about Zelensky.

01:33:27.660 $260 billion that we've sent over there.

01:33:31.660 According to some reports, Andy Biggs says it's even more out of Arizona.

01:33:35.420 So we sent that kind of money there, but we can't get Starlink up unless Trump talks to Elon Musk to help people that are in these storm-ravaged areas.

01:33:42.400 Biden couldn't leave Delaware to go to the White House and pretend he was working.

01:33:45.660 Kamala Harris couldn't come off the campaign trail and say, hey, we're thinking about you. 0.99

01:33:49.120 I'm back at the White House.

01:33:49.900 What can we do for you?

01:33:51.000 And then to ask the American people to support the American people as, Megan, how many billions of dollars have we given illegal aliens that have come across the border in phones and food and room and board and housing and everything else?

01:34:02.940 It just doesn't make any sense.

01:34:04.180 I think the regular American, even if they lean left, even if they're far left, is going, wait a second.

01:34:09.040 Shouldn't we take care of our neighbor first? 0.99

01:34:10.720 This is them saying who they are.

01:34:12.960 They weren't smart enough to get off the campaign trail.

01:34:14.900 He wasn't smart enough to get off the beach for a day and go back to Washington, D.C.

01:34:18.860 That's not that far from Delaware, hello, to say, I'm at least here for you.

01:34:23.120 They're completely detached.

01:34:24.740 And what I love is that they're showing it to us.

01:34:26.820 You can't even deny it anymore.

01:34:28.160 They're completely disconnected from the regular American. 0.99

01:34:31.140 They just want to be monarchs.

01:34:32.140 I mean, it does seem interesting that this hurricane has, like, they ignored it.

01:34:38.260 The people in power ignored it for the first three days.

01:34:42.480 Exactly.

01:34:43.040 And then only yesterday did Kamala Harris put out that very fake looking photo of her on Air Force Two with what may or may not have been a blank sheet of paper in front of her.

01:34:51.460 I mean, it is possible they somehow.

01:34:52.940 Her earbuds weren't plugged in, Megan.

01:34:54.780 The earphones were not plugged in.

01:34:56.000 They don't work if you don't plug them in.

01:34:57.380 Come on.

01:34:58.100 Exactly.

01:34:58.720 So, and she's like, oh, I've been hard at work.

01:35:00.580 And Joe Biden was asked, all I can think of is Joe Biden now in the wake of Maya Rudolph's Saturday Night Live.

01:35:06.260 Joe Biden.

01:35:07.000 What Joe Biden said was that he spent two hours on the phone from Delaware.

01:35:11.780 Oh, two hours?

01:35:12.540 Really?

01:35:12.800 Okay.

01:35:12.900 I mean, Trump was actually down there immediately and coordinating with Elon and coordinating with the Graham operation to get relief supplies in there.

01:35:20.820 And he's not even the president, Joe.

01:35:22.820 Right.

01:35:23.400 The righteous indignation of Joe Biden when he was walking out with that gigantic door that I don't think he could even open anymore by himself.

01:35:29.300 He stopped in turn when the guy said, the reporter said, why weren't you in command?

01:35:33.820 Were you commanding this relief effort?

01:35:36.920 He said, it's called a telephone.

01:35:39.000 I was in command on the phone two hours each day.

01:35:42.000 Oh, wait, wait a second.

01:35:43.580 Oh, look, at the end of the day, you've got people who just don't care unless they think they can gain votes.

01:35:49.320 Now, we can talk about that region.

01:35:50.960 Asheville is a very, very liberal city.

01:35:52.820 Some call it the East Coast version of San Francisco.

01:35:55.640 So, they're not going to gain any votes there.

01:35:57.000 They already own Asheville.

01:35:58.320 The surrounding areas are all red, just like East Palestine, some would say, when there was a train derailment and Joe Biden didn't go for two years.

01:36:05.320 So, at the end of the day, they only care about votes.

01:36:07.620 They care about keeping their power.

01:36:08.760 They care about sitting on the throne and not being kicked off. 1.00

01:36:12.000 But Americans are not stupid. 0.98

01:36:14.140 And, again, it doesn't matter if you're left or right or if Megyn Kelly and Joe Paggs agree with the people watching and listening or not. 0.99

01:36:19.000 What we do agree on is my neighbors are in need and you're taking care of trans surgeries. 0.96

01:36:23.540 My neighbors are in need and you're at the beach.

01:36:25.300 My neighbors are in need and you're telling me how you eat no for breakfast on all the smoke.

01:36:28.580 It doesn't make any sense.

01:36:29.700 It just doesn't.

01:36:30.640 It's not logical, Megyn.

01:36:31.940 And you and I are so logical.

01:36:33.200 It makes our faces.

01:36:34.080 Look at my face.

01:36:34.860 My face hurts because of all this.

01:36:36.400 Mm-hmm.

01:36:37.780 The I eat no for breakfast thing is a lot to digest.

01:36:40.340 It really is, so to speak.

01:36:42.260 Pardon the pun.

01:36:42.980 A lot.

01:36:44.160 I do think it's like, look, we got Georgia that's affected.

01:36:47.700 We've got North Carolina that's affected.

01:36:50.260 Some Virginia that's affected.

01:36:52.640 And there is outrage.

01:36:54.640 If you spend two minutes on X today, you will see report after report of our fellow Americans who really are hurting.

01:37:01.620 And by the way, Americans will give.

01:37:03.180 They will give out of pocket.

01:37:04.340 Of course you will.

01:37:04.920 They always do.

01:37:05.320 We're the most generous people in the world.

01:37:07.540 It's just the gall of the president to look at us and say, you need to pay for it.

01:37:11.820 As he dumps billions.

01:37:13.540 Just another tranche went out to Ukraine.

01:37:16.280 Right.

01:37:16.520 We're also paying for that in any event.

01:37:18.200 Okay.

01:37:18.640 But I think that this is going to gin up some sentiment that is not going to be particularly helpful to Joe Biden.

01:37:25.000 And Kamala Harris.

01:37:26.520 And even though they're just pretending, she is just pretending to do stuff about it right now.

01:37:31.260 I actually think, like, this is going to play in a way that I haven't totally figured out, you know, the full implications of it over the next five weeks.

01:37:40.100 Well, I think that it's going to play out very, very severely because the people are not going to be back to normal in five weeks.

01:37:44.840 The people are still going to be suffering.

01:37:46.560 And by the way, I don't hear Ukraine saying, what can we do for you?

01:37:49.300 I mean, you guys had a big problem.

01:37:50.700 I don't hear our allies in NATO saying, hey, how can we send some money, send some aid, send some help?

01:37:55.240 Because the president and vice president aren't taking it seriously or just don't care.

01:37:59.160 So why would they ever step up?

01:38:00.480 They still have their hands out over there.

01:38:01.980 I think in the next five weeks, there's no way you fix this.

01:38:04.720 You can go to FEMA every day if you're Kamala Harris.

01:38:07.140 And you can pretend like you care and pretend like you're in command and pretend like you talk to, hey, talk to Brian Kemp.

01:38:11.580 He's a Republican.

01:38:12.420 So still vote for me.

01:38:13.480 The fact is, Ron DeSantis has done more than our leadership in central government in Washington has done for the people that are most in need.

01:38:20.340 Donald Trump and Elon Musk have done way more than these other people have.

01:38:23.900 And, you know, Megan, I would be fine with, and I'm a guy who's going to vote for Trump.

01:38:26.640 I can't wait to vote for Trump again.

01:38:28.100 But I would be fine with Trump, Vance, Walls, Harris, Biden, everybody going there together to FEMA saying, man, forget politics.

01:38:35.620 We've got to help these people.

01:38:36.880 But they're not smart enough to do that.

01:38:38.260 I know Trump.

01:38:39.440 You know Trump.

01:38:40.040 He would definitely say, yeah, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with Kamala Harris.

01:38:42.940 I don't care.

01:38:43.760 It doesn't matter what the implications are for the election.

01:38:46.120 I want to help people who are in need.

01:38:47.740 But that's not happening because these people can't get away from the idea of losing their power to somebody who doesn't believe in gigantic central government.

01:38:55.260 That's what this is all about for them.

01:38:56.540 It's sick.

01:38:58.140 Well, you'd think that they would be thrilled to have an opportunity to help.

01:39:02.480 At a minimum, from a cynical standpoint, people in a couple of swing states.

01:39:06.360 But the reaction has been absolutely slow going.

01:39:08.460 And the fact that she stayed in L.A. at that fundraiser with Demi Lovato eating her beef wellington while people were dying.

01:39:18.240 I mean, the video of that grandfather and grandmother on the roof with their grandchild, a six-year-old grandchild who reportedly died, is awful.

01:39:26.480 And she's putting out, having reporters put out how she's partying with these celebrities and having her beef wellington. 1.00

01:39:33.300 It's truly a let-them-eat-cake moment.

01:39:35.600 She's the sitting vice president.

01:39:37.620 Get home.

01:39:38.600 The president couldn't leave Delaware to go back to Washington.

01:39:41.280 I don't know.

01:39:42.180 You're not hearing a ton about it in the press because they want to run cover for these two.

01:39:45.980 But so far, for 72 hours, we're completely bungled.

01:39:49.040 Well, when did she sit down with those two basketball players, Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson?

01:39:52.940 When did that happen?

01:39:53.960 Did that happen Saturday while the people were drowning?

01:39:56.200 Did it happen Sunday?

01:39:57.340 When did that happen as she talked about getting a pork roast ready? 0.99

01:39:59.880 And by the way, was she making pancakes that morning and then, ain't she going to have more bacon? 0.89

01:40:04.120 Or was she making a pot roast?

01:40:05.200 She changed what she was doing the morning Joe Biden called her.

01:40:07.700 But at the end of the day, hey, Matt, hey, Steven, I can do that maybe next week.

01:40:10.820 We got people drowning in North Carolina.

01:40:12.660 I'm going to go there instead.

01:40:14.800 She couldn't put off the podcast?

01:40:15.880 Steve Tracar says he thinks it was Thursday, so that would have been before the storm.

01:40:19.420 But we certainly knew the storm was coming.

01:40:21.200 And by the way, of course, the podcast was a joke anyway because she's trying to get a friendly audience.

01:40:26.000 She's intentionally going to places that won't ask her tough questions.

01:40:28.880 It's, you know, I don't know if she'll ever do another interview again.

01:40:31.100 Frankly, I truly, like, I don't know whether we'll ever see her after tonight.

01:40:34.000 Maybe she'll just let Tim Walsh take the baton and run with it.

01:40:37.180 All right, last word, Joe Pags, your prediction for how tonight will go.

01:40:41.380 I think, as I said earlier, I think that Walsh is going to walk out and say, hey, first he's going to say this.

01:40:45.880 We shouldn't ever talk about anybody else's military service.

01:40:48.540 We all served honorably.

01:40:49.380 He's going to try to get that off the table immediately because he's been lying about it for years.

01:40:54.220 I think that he's going to try to look like Minnesota Tim.

01:40:56.680 He's not.

01:40:57.440 I think that J.D. Vance is smart enough to expose him for enjoying the riots in Minneapolis,

01:41:02.060 for waiting three days to get the National Guard in there, to talk about his stolen valor stuff.

01:41:06.180 I think all that's going to happen, when you look at Minnesota and how in ruins it is,

01:41:09.920 that is all on Tim Walsh.

01:41:11.840 And J.D. Vance just has to highlight that.

01:41:13.740 I think he's going to be fine.

01:41:14.700 It's going to be interesting.

01:41:15.420 I can't wait to watch.

01:41:15.920 J.D. Vance should bring up the stolen valor.

01:41:17.140 He should bring up the stolen valor.

01:41:18.540 Don't forget, tonight, tonight, right after the debate, 1030,

01:41:22.340 we will be live on youtube.com slash Megan Kelly

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01:41:27.920 with our instantaneous reaction to what we all saw together.

01:41:33.940 If the past debates prove any model, there'll be plenty to discuss.

01:41:38.600 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 01, 2024

New Tim Walz Lies and China Connection, and Trump's NFL Politics, with RealClearPolitics Hosts and Joe Pags ｜ Ep. 902

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