The Megyn Kelly Show - Newly Declassified Appendix CONFIRMS Hillary Clinton's Plan to RUIN Trump's Candidacy, Martha Stewart Burns Meghan Markle, with Greenwald & Mate ｜ Ep. 1120

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.920 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.340 Senator Chuck Grassley just released the declassified appendix to the Durham report.

00:00:52.460 We told you about this earlier this week.

00:00:54.140 There had been a report on Fox News Digital that this was going to drop

00:00:57.520 and that it was expected to show a link between Hillary Clinton's campaign and the FBI,

00:01:07.160 some sort of tacit or explicit cooperation on Hillary's plan to ruin the Trump presidency

00:01:15.960 or Trump candidacy with these Russiagate allegations, right, that we know.

00:01:23.920 You know, can I just stop for a second?

00:01:26.060 This woman should be in jail. 1.00

00:01:30.100 Literally, Hillary Clinton should be behind bars. 1.00

00:01:32.480 And so should the people who worked for her who did this.

00:01:36.560 This is so blatantly corrupt.

00:01:40.940 She wanted to distract from her email scandal.

00:01:45.480 She cooked up a plan to accuse Trump of being a Russian agent

00:01:51.380 in order to distract from her own legitimate scandal. 0.99

00:01:56.180 She made up a scandal about Trump being a Russian asset.

00:02:04.140 And they banked on the intel agencies working with her to perpetuate this lie.

00:02:12.040 And it appears they were only too happy to assist.

00:02:15.320 That's what this scandal is about.

00:02:16.900 Pieces of it we knew.

00:02:18.660 New pieces are coming in by the day thanks to these declassifications.

00:02:22.200 And it's downright shocking.

00:02:26.280 Do not believe that there's no there there.

00:02:28.580 The people who are saying that are wrong.

00:02:31.240 They're wrong.

00:02:32.980 What just broke today, like moments before it came to air,

00:02:36.620 we're still getting our arms around it,

00:02:38.100 was obviously provided to Michael Schellenberger before two minutes ago.

00:02:42.800 And his Substack page, Public, that's the name of it,

00:02:47.280 has a fantastic breakdown of what's in this new piece of information,

00:02:53.180 the annex to the Durham report.

00:02:55.780 You remember John Durham was the special counsel appointed

00:02:58.120 under Trump to go through what had been done to him

00:03:02.960 and try to figure out who did it, who helped,

00:03:06.820 and whether anyone should be prosecuted.

00:03:08.660 Well, even his information was not made entirely public.

00:03:11.460 All right.

00:03:13.060 Now, we reported that the Durham report, again,

00:03:16.200 which investigated how the FBI's crossfire hurricane in 2016 investigation

00:03:22.340 into Trump allegedly being a Russian agent and or members of his team

00:03:27.780 allegedly being Russian agents got started.

00:03:30.640 How did this massive fraud get perpetrated on Team Trump

00:03:34.660 and on the American people?

00:03:36.220 That was Durham's charge.

00:03:37.660 And they already made clear that the Clinton campaign

00:03:43.760 had a mission of trying to push this lie.

00:03:48.920 And now we're learning.

00:03:49.820 I mean, it's incredible what I'm seeing here, going through there.

00:03:52.380 But like, it is so clear.

00:03:54.000 Now we know that what happened was,

00:03:57.300 remember we've been talking this week about how we talked about it with Aaron Maté,

00:04:00.080 about how it now looks like the Russians didn't hack the DNC,

00:04:07.740 that they were not the ones who hacked the DNC,

00:04:10.560 but they were hacking other people.

00:04:12.600 And what appears to have happened is they hacked a couple of high-level operatives

00:04:16.700 who were connected with the Clinton campaign or who, like, were friendly with it.

00:04:20.500 And they caught on to this plot.

00:04:23.860 The Russians did. 0.99

00:04:24.800 The Russians caught on to her plot to try to paint Trump as an agent of Russia.

00:04:31.480 And the Dutch were spying on the Russians.

00:04:36.440 The Dutch got their, their spies got their hands on the Russian intel 0.67

00:04:40.000 that the Russians had stolen from its hacks of people around Team Clinton.

00:04:46.740 And then the Dutch told us, the Dutch said, yo, hey, this is bad.

00:04:52.340 It came to the Americans with whom their friends and said, you should read this.

00:04:56.740 The Hillary Clinton's about to do something bad. 1.00

00:04:59.040 And instead of then, you know, Jim Comey saying, oh, when he saw,

00:05:05.680 uh, like the Steele dossier saying, well, this is obviously bullshit.

00:05:10.680 Who, who's Fusion GPS?

00:05:12.520 Who hired them?

00:05:13.440 Oh, Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:05:14.300 Oh, okay.

00:05:14.620 I know exactly what's happening here.

00:05:16.200 This is bullshit, guys.

00:05:17.300 This is the Hillary Clinton ruse. 0.59

00:05:18.720 Instead of doing that, not only did they not dismiss the bullshit coming into them

00:05:23.220 from Hillary's operatives, but they doubled down and they opened up an investigation

00:05:26.820 into Trump and his campaign and started arresting people and using the Hillary 0.86

00:05:30.880 generated information like the Steele dossier and more.

00:05:34.380 You know, you heard Erin Maté explain she had this crowd strike group that suggested

00:05:40.480 it was the Russians who had hacked the DNC.

00:05:43.860 They took that hook, line and sinker and so on.

00:05:45.920 So this is, this shit's crazy what she did. 1.00

00:05:51.220 She, I don't even have the words.

00:05:55.180 She's still walking around acting like she won and he stole this election. 1.00

00:06:00.960 And it was the one back in 16 and that it was not legitimate.

00:06:05.300 She's not delusional.

00:06:07.960 She's a liar to her core, to her core.

00:06:11.840 And she's been supported by everyone around her and by the Intel apparatus that was in

00:06:18.700 place under Obama.

00:06:20.480 Obama and frankly, thereafter, there are so many officials who were fine doing this.

00:06:28.500 All right.

00:06:29.080 What the new appendix to the Durham report reveals is that the CIA had the Intel to show

00:06:37.400 the goal of Clinton's plot was to distract from that email scandal. 0.52

00:06:40.580 We had heard Durham make reference to this.

00:06:42.580 It's right there, black and white in the appendix.

00:06:44.760 But then the FBI, when, when notified of this, rejected the Intel about Clinton's plot, they

00:06:52.800 said, Oh, it looks like hearsay.

00:06:55.180 They rejected like, Oh no, we don't believe it.

00:06:57.860 Okay.

00:06:58.500 You don't believe it because there are other pieces in here and they, they believe those,

00:07:05.320 but they don't believe the stuff about Hillary.

00:07:07.840 Schellenberger writes it up this way.

00:07:09.080 There are strong suggestions in the Durham appendix of the Clinton campaign, working hand

00:07:14.240 in glove with the intelligence community.

00:07:18.120 She had a receptive audience at FBI instead of a skeptical one for her lies.

00:07:27.080 And that's really how this whole thing got started.

00:07:28.840 And they actually named some names that I've never heard of before.

00:07:32.020 And their attempts to get these people to admit what's in the documents that the Russians 0.84

00:07:36.440 got their hands on that we found out about things to the Dutch.

00:07:40.060 I mean, like we'll name the names.

00:07:42.520 I'll go through this with you.

00:07:43.480 But like, why haven't these people been arrested?

00:07:45.920 Why was Michael Flynn prosecuted, but not these people?

00:07:49.920 Why did Carter Page get spied on, but not these people?

00:07:54.560 Joining me now to help go through some of it.

00:07:56.260 We have the perfect guest.

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00:09:15.500 Glenn, thanks for being here.

00:09:18.580 I know you're still getting your arms around this, too, because it just dropped this morning, but you've been following the scandal.

00:09:23.140 Put it in perspective for us.

00:09:26.420 I'm so glad you asked me to do that because I think that's the critical point here.

00:09:31.740 You know, I want to start by saying that there's probably no story that I've worked on longer and for more time than the hoax and fraud of the Russiagate story from the very beginning.

00:09:42.420 My first article was on this about how journalistically dubious it was and how there was no evidence for it, despite the media's treatment of it as gospel, came exactly in mid-2016, the first time the Hillary Clinton campaign, and this was how the public was introduced to it, published this ad with this very sinister music and this baritone voice, essentially saying, what is it that the Russians have on Donald Trump?

00:10:04.500 And my first reaction was, you know, this sounds like recycled McCarthyite scripts from the 1950s that had been discredited.

00:10:11.260 You're going to say that Donald Trump is a Kremlin agent?

00:10:13.500 And at the time, there were a handful, a very small handful of reporters, some on the right, you know, people like Molly Hemingway and Chuck Ross and Jerry Dunleavy, who were doing really forensic reporting about the utter lack of evidence.

00:10:28.900 And there were a few of us, very few, who weren't associated with the right at the time, that also were saying from the very beginning, this is a fraud.

00:10:39.000 You know, you mentioned Aaron Maté, you had Matt Taibion, Jimmy Dore, Michael Tracy, and myself, very, very lonely.

00:10:45.360 And we were all expelled from not just liberal circles, but mainstream media circles, because the mainstream media took this and treated it as a national religion.

00:10:53.820 This wasn't some scandal that lasted a few weeks, Megan.

00:10:56.600 This was the number one story in the United States, extending beyond politics and news.

00:11:02.060 You know, Saturday Night Live used to do those homages to Robert Mueller.

00:11:05.600 The fact that Trump was a Russian agent, that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to hack into these emails, to manipulate the election.

00:11:12.620 This was a fact that was treated as such by almost every major corporate media outlet.

00:11:17.760 And if you were someone questioning it, you would be excluded.

00:11:20.820 You wouldn't even be heard.

00:11:22.000 They didn't hear any dissent or debate on it.

00:11:25.080 And I just let me just make two points, because I have so much to say on this, but I'm trying to figure out, like, exactly which ones for context make the most are most important.

00:11:35.340 Number one is, you know, I've spent most of my journalism career, now 20 years, focused on what I consider to be the sinister and evil aspects of the U.S. intelligence community, the CIA, the FBI, the national security state.

00:11:48.340 And, of course, there's a lot of documented evil they've done in the Cold War, coups, and supporting human rights abusers.

00:11:53.340 But the idea always was that we were going to have this part of our government, you know, the CIA, intel, FBI, that would be, especially the intel community, that would do some rough things in secret.

00:12:05.180 But the number one rule, the taboo, was it would never be turned against the domestic population.

00:12:10.640 It would never interfere in our politics.

00:12:13.140 And after 9-11, that taboo was destroyed.

00:12:16.080 My big story that the first one I ever did was the NSA spying on American citizens, even though it was supposed to be aimed at foreign intelligence.

00:12:22.240 But what we saw in 2016 and in 2020, let's remember, was the CIA working with the FBI and other parts of the U.S. government to disseminate absolute lies with no purpose other than to help the Democratic Party candidate win first Hillary Clinton and then Joe Biden and to defeat Donald Trump.

00:12:39.400 The Russia gate fraud in 2016 and in 2020, the same people disseminating the absolute lie that all that reporting about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden in Ukraine and China, they claim that was Russian disinformation to discredit the evidence, got it censored from big tech.

00:12:56.440 Direct interference in our politics from these agencies that are supposed to have no role in our domestic affairs based on absolute fabricated lies coordinated with the Democratic Party.

00:13:07.860 That's the big first scandal.

00:13:10.260 And then I think the other important part of this, the other crucial part of it is, is that, Megan, for so long, even though I'm so glad we're getting more and more evidence, this was obviously flagrantly fraudulent from the start.

00:13:23.400 I will just give you one, one example, the John Brennan, James Claffer had this New York Times article op ed yesterday trying to defend themselves.

00:13:32.980 And they were trying to pretend that like collusion was never really a big part of the story.

00:13:37.100 It was I mean, you could go through every paragraph is a lie or some kind of very like tendentious claim.

00:13:42.480 But their main thing was, oh, collusion, that was never the idea of collusion was central to the entire scandal.

00:13:48.900 It drowned our politics through 2018.

00:13:52.040 The reason they appointed a special prosecutor, Robert Mueller, was only because of the claim that Trump and Russia were colluding and that Putin was controlling the United States through blackmail leverage over Trump.

00:14:03.420 One of the most deranged conspiracy theories to which we've ever been subjected.

00:14:07.100 And the reason you could tell this was a complete fraud from the beginning, though the media wouldn't hear it, was that two of the things that Trump did in terms of his Russia policy in his first term were aimed directly at undermining and even subverting and destroying the two most important vital interests of Russia.

00:14:25.680 He flooded Ukraine with offensive arms. 0.52

00:14:28.960 You can say that may not have been good.

00:14:30.860 That may not have been bad.

00:14:31.460 But he did that.

00:14:32.420 He Obama wouldn't give Ukraine offensive arms.

00:14:35.540 Trump did.

00:14:36.120 That's like the most threatening thing you could do to Russia.

00:14:38.360 And more importantly, Trump was obsessed with destroying Nord Stream 2, which was the key to Russian future economic prosperity to sell cheap natural gas to Russia.

00:14:47.800 He was trying to force the Russians, the Europeans to buy natural gas from the United States.

00:14:51.520 How could you look and be the minimally rational person or minimally honest in the media and continue with this this this smear campaign, this lie that Putin has blackmail leverage over Trump because he has him on video urinating on prostitutes when the two key Trump policies were aimed at destroying the two most important vital interests.

00:15:11.820 The whole thing was a scam and a fraud from the beginning, but the media was so obsessed with destroying Trump, they were willing to lie.

00:15:19.280 They joined with the intelligence communities, which was in turn directed by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:15:23.560 It is a massive scandal that we've never really come to terms with and and have just denied with like we're not even not coming to terms with it.

00:15:31.440 We've just the media and these top Democrats just continue to act like anybody who has these questions or is actually just acknowledging these facts is a nutcase.

00:15:41.720 It's infuriating. That op ed that Brennan dropped yesterday in The New York Times was outrageous.

00:15:49.080 And I'll tell you, I don't know this case nearly as well as you do.

00:15:51.700 But as a lawyer, I was offended by the number of holes through which a semi truck could drive in their argument and just offered up like we're supposed to swallow it, hook, line and sinker like just these declarations that Tulsi is a nutcase.

00:16:07.420 And this is all made up and it's Tulsi politicizing intelligence as opposed to the other way around, you know, calling them out on their politicization, which is all over these documents.

00:16:20.060 So we'll talk about that in one second. I want to go through Schellenberger's piece because it does lay it out.

00:16:26.320 It's an assumption. There's no way Schellenberger just pop this up without having had advanced notice of the Durham annex, which is fine.

00:16:32.880 That's great. We're the beneficiaries of it. All right.

00:16:35.660 So he says it was published today.

00:16:38.920 OK, a newly declassified appendix to Durham's report from May of 2023.

00:16:45.000 Let's see. Reveals strong evidence that the FBI covered up a plot by the Hillary Clinton campaign to amplify ties between Trump and Russia, that the FBI covered up the plot.

00:17:00.340 This is the new piece of it that's being dropped today because we knew Hillary did it.

00:17:04.240 And Fox Digital had reported earlier this week that we were going to see this annex and it was going to suggest the FBI knew that she was going to do it and then covered it up. 0.68

00:17:12.980 And that's where we're going now with this, that Kash Patel said he found the Durham appendix and thousands of other documents inside a burn bag in a secret room at FBI headquarters.

00:17:23.220 Now, we knew that Hillary sought to link Trump to Russia.

00:17:28.940 So that that piece is not new. But the declassified appendix adds considerable new details, reports Schellenberger, which suggest that the Clinton plan was real and the FBI helped to cover it up.

00:17:42.060 The CIA believed Russian intelligence memos, which analyzed hacked emails and alleged a Clinton plan to vilify Trump by linking him to Russia were credible.

00:17:51.480 So the CIA believed that those Russian intel memos we got from the Dutch were real and were credible in September of 2016, September 7th of 2016.

00:18:02.220 The CIA sent an investigative referral over to the FBI that referenced the Clinton plan saying this looks legit.

00:18:11.000 The FBI rejected the intelligence. The deputy director, Andrew McCabe, said, oh, there's multiple layers of hearsay in here.

00:18:21.420 Some of the hacked emails, writes Schellenberger, had been obtained from American think tanks.

00:18:26.280 Again, we believe the Russians hacked them. The Dutch saw the hacking materials.

00:18:30.760 American think tanks. None could be substantiated.

00:18:34.000 One author of the emails, for instance, was Leonard Bernardo, the regional director for Eurasia at Open Society Foundation.

00:18:41.000 And this guy would wind up kind of denying that this sounded like him.

00:18:46.380 But the best assessments, writes Schellenberger, were that they were likely authentic, that these were Bernardo emails and that the Russians had gotten their hands on them.

00:18:57.080 And then he writes that multiple analysts did know the Russians had, in fact, hacked Bernardo's email.

00:19:02.520 So he's just setting up the foundation for the information that's in here.

00:19:05.920 So the CIA believes all this Russian hacked material and the FBI says no because of hearsay.

00:19:11.880 But analysts believe at least this one guy, Bernardo, really was hacked.

00:19:16.840 This really is him writing in these memos and including an email describing the Clinton campaign plan to frame Trump for Russia's hacking of the DNC emails.

00:19:29.140 OK, plan to frame Trump for Russia's hacking of the DNC emails.

00:19:34.620 In other words, Russia, they claim, did it and they had a plan to blame it on Trump.

00:19:39.480 OK, going on.

00:19:41.520 The FBI general counsel, unlike the deputy director, McCabe, but the general counsel, James Baker, according to the Durham appendix, did not dismiss the credibility of the Russian reports and believe the reports should not have been dismissed out of hand by McCabe and others at the FBI.

00:19:58.000 So you have an internal disagreement at FBI and you have agreement over at the CIA that these Russian hacked materials are real and that Hillary Clinton has a plan to try to undermine Trump by claiming he's a Russian stooge to distract from her email scandal.

00:20:12.980 Everyone, Schellenberger writes, involved, including the FBI, acknowledged the credibility of the source of the Russian intel reports and the hacked emails referred to as T1.

00:20:22.280 This is the Dutch guy.

00:20:23.040 It appears to have been the Netherlands General Intelligence and Security Service, which hacked into the Russian hacking group Cozy Bear.

00:20:29.960 We've heard about them before, gaining access to their computers and monitoring them through a security camera in their facility.

00:20:36.220 OK, well, that's out.

00:20:38.180 Dutch intelligence tracked Cozy Bear's operations for months and provided this information to U.S. agents.

00:20:43.140 OK, now I'm just going to read this paragraph and then I'll give it to you, Glenn.

00:20:45.360 He writes, indeed, while the FBI was happy to use the Dutch agency's Cozy Bear intel to allege Russian election interference.

00:20:56.120 In other words, they saw enough in those documents to say, oh, the Russians are messing with our election and they loved it. 0.93

00:21:00.460 Yes, the Russians, they're involved.

00:21:02.220 They're evil.

00:21:02.700 Well, it appears to have rejected intel from the same Dutch source when it came to the information about Hillary.

00:21:10.020 It's unbelievable.

00:21:11.240 Despite I'm quoting here from Schellenberger, despite credible evidence of a Clinton plan to fabricate a scandal accusing Trump of working with Russia to interfere in the election.

00:21:20.440 The FBI appears to have done exactly what Clinton wanted.

00:21:24.120 It opened its crossfire hurricane investigation into alleged coordination between between Russia and the Trump campaign.

00:21:29.780 And it relied heavily on the Clinton funded steel dossier for investigative and surveillance purposes.

00:21:34.840 My head is going to explode.

00:21:36.440 This is I don't know the scandal as well as you do, Glenn.

00:21:39.480 Like what is new?

00:21:40.720 Because what I'm being told is new is the FBI's willingness to help her to help her do this.

00:21:46.520 And now we're seeing the behind the scenes machinations of them, like rejecting the Dutch intel stolen from the Russian intel about all the bad shit she did, but leaning into anything bad that Russia did.

00:21:59.740 All right.

00:22:00.420 Let me just step back for a second.

00:22:01.900 I know people know this, but I think it's important to really emphasize at the time all of this was happening, the 2016 election, the person in charge of the entire executive branch, which means the FBI and the CIA and the rest of it was Barack Obama.

00:22:17.260 Barack Obama had named and had his crucial part of his administration, Hillary Clinton. 0.88

00:22:22.520 She served as his secretary of state from 2008 to 2012 when John Kerry took over.

00:22:28.220 She was integrated into the Obama administration. 0.91

00:22:34.760 We know that Joe Biden wanted to run for president in 2016 and Obama told him, I'm not going to support you.

00:22:40.760 I'm going to support Hillary.

00:22:41.760 So the entire executive branch is led by Barack Obama and then people like James Clapper and John Brennan and Jim Comey were close associates and colleagues of Hillary Clinton.

00:22:51.300 And they were doing everything possible, abusing the intelligence community in order to help her win, regardless of what they needed to say, no matter how untrue that it was.

00:23:01.180 I think it's just really important to remember that.

00:23:03.040 And then also, although at the time, all of these FBI and CIA people pretended to be a political Jim, you know, Jim Comey with that smug, sanctimonious sense of how dare you question my integrity.

00:23:14.800 I'm the highest and most noble public figure ever to exist.

00:23:17.780 They all came out as MSNBC analysts.

00:23:20.540 They all despised Donald Trump.

00:23:22.740 Andrew McCabe got fired for lying.

00:23:25.160 He then turned into an MSN.

00:23:26.480 They all turned into like hardcore anti-Trump commentators from the very start.

00:23:31.640 We just just happened to walk across those shells on the beach.

00:23:34.540 I mean, 8647 just recently.

00:23:36.460 That's how he feels about Trump.

00:23:37.540 And we have those Lisa Page and Peter Strzok emails where they're just openly talking about how much they hate Trump and how they're going to use the FBI investigation.

00:23:46.240 So the broad outlines have been known forever.

00:23:51.020 And the idea that the FBI politicized their investigation, working with the CIA and handpicked intelligence in order to help the Hillary Clinton campaign's main theme.

00:24:00.100 I could list to you a thousand different pieces of evidence that have been known for a long time.

00:24:04.380 But this is I do think that and I want to go back to second when Donald Trump named Tulsi Gabbard DNI, it was amazing to watch the Democratic Party freak out because the Democrats were voting for a lot of Trump nominees unanimously, like Marco Rubio and others like that.

00:24:20.140 They were totally fine with them, even though they were a long term Republican Party conservative, you know, on the conservative wing.

00:24:25.560 They had no problem with them.

00:24:26.720 The person they had the biggest problem with, one of the people was Tulsi Gabbard, even though she spent eight years as a Democratic member of Congress.

00:24:32.880 She had supported Bernie Sanders.

00:24:34.120 She endorsed Joe Biden in 2020.

00:24:36.280 Why?

00:24:37.100 Because they knew that she was an outsider and that her intention was to go into the CIA and go into the national intelligence state and expose the corruption that was oozing all through it. 0.99

00:24:49.880 Whereas, you know, even more reliable career people who come from there aren't willing to walk, rock the boat that way.

00:24:56.340 Even if they're more loyal to Trump, they're still institutionalists.

00:24:59.560 That's why they her doing this is why they were petrified.

00:25:03.780 Remember, Hillary Clinton called Hillary Tulsi Gabbard a Russian agent.

00:25:07.180 They were calling everybody a Russian agent.

00:25:09.000 They still are calling her a Russian agent.

00:25:10.840 And what she did was bring a absolutely.

00:25:14.420 Why should any of this have ever been hidden?

00:25:16.560 She brought absolutely critical transparency.

00:25:18.820 And now what we're seeing are new pieces of information, specifically, you know, a lot of people in 2003 thought that Dick Cheney and the neocons were manipulating the intelligence about Iraqi MWMD because they wanted to go to war in Iraq.

00:25:31.580 And they ignored the ones who were saying they didn't have MWMD and elevated the ones that said they did.

00:25:36.720 We all know that happened.

00:25:37.640 I heard Matt talking about it on your show.

00:25:39.480 This is exactly what happened.

00:25:41.040 The thing is, you need the documents and the transparency and the facts to really make the historical case in a totally definitive way.

00:25:49.740 And that's what's new.

00:25:50.880 That's what we're now getting.

00:25:51.940 These kind of details showing exactly which actors in these agencies deliberately disregarded the intelligence that undermined their case and highlighted the intelligence that they wanted to promote as a political narrative.

00:26:04.040 Often, as you just got done saying from the Michael Schellenberg article in the same intelligence report, like, yeah, this helps.

00:26:10.200 Let's use this.

00:26:11.100 But let's consider this unreliable because this undercuts it.

00:26:15.900 This is, Megan, the kind of extreme abuse of power that is as threatening to American democracy as anything they've accused Donald Trump of doing.

00:26:26.140 This is deliberate interference in our elections using the secret parts of our agency, disseminating lies.

00:26:31.860 And here's the problem.

00:26:34.720 And this happens all the time is when these intelligence agencies do bad things and people all the time stand up and say it, most of the evidence is hidden.

00:26:44.380 So you get called a conspiracy theorist or there's no evidence.

00:26:47.380 The evidence only comes out years later.

00:26:49.720 And by which point it comes out, like now, and you want to say, hey, here's the proof.

00:26:54.480 Let's look at that.

00:26:55.000 People are like, why are you talking about 2016?

00:26:57.880 That was eight years ago.

00:26:59.220 We have so many other things.

00:27:00.200 This is irrelevant.

00:27:00.780 But the media will not cover this.

00:27:02.840 I promise you.

00:27:03.560 And you know why?

00:27:04.440 Because I consider, although the FBI and the CIA took leading roles in the Obama administration, the media to be the primary culprits.

00:27:10.900 Without them abdicating their role of oversight of these intelligence agencies, of being journalistically skeptical of what they were being told,

00:27:18.580 they were more eager than anybody to close ranks with Hillary's campaign and the intelligence agencies, they gave themselves pulchers for this totally fraudulent reporting.

00:27:28.500 To this day, they're proud of the role they played, even though other than I'm sure Russia did do some interference.

00:27:34.820 We all big countries interfere in each other's politics all the time.

00:27:38.440 That was never the scandal.

00:27:39.580 The scandal was the collusion between Trump and Russia.

00:27:42.320 And even the extent of the Russian involvement was completely exaggerated to the point where we now question whether they really did do the hacking.

00:27:48.000 The problem is it's going to be confined to shows like this, to people like you and me.

00:27:53.820 Fortunately, we have a lot more influence than we did eight years ago.

00:27:57.280 Independent media does, and so we can break through.

00:27:59.500 Don't expect the New York Times and NBC News and the rest of them to take any of this seriously.

00:28:04.120 They're going to run cover for it, which is why the New York Times published that Brennan Clapper op-ed, because they are as guilty as anybody.

00:28:10.360 Well, that's true. I agree with everything you just said.

00:28:13.820 However, if somebody gets indicted, the media is going to have to cover it and they'll run cover for it.

00:28:18.280 But at least they'll have to cover it.

00:28:20.160 They will have to put this in the pages of the New York Times if somebody gets indicted.

00:28:23.640 And somebody really might.

00:28:24.860 And it might happen soon because today's July 31st.

00:28:27.620 And when we heard Ratcliffe, head of CIA, talk about how, oh, no, no, no, no, we're not out of time on all of the criminal claims we could bring here.

00:28:34.400 And he started citing the Durham investigation and putting various people's testimony, including Comey's, I think it was August of 2020.

00:28:42.320 And there's a five-year statute of limitations on perjury under the federal.

00:28:46.060 And Brennan, who denied that this deal.

00:28:47.120 And Brennan, too.

00:28:47.520 Yeah, and Brennan, yeah.

00:28:49.140 So that would be, we could see an indictment within the next 30 days if that's what they're actually looking at.

00:28:54.280 I just want to make one other point. I'll give it back to you.

00:28:56.360 Sure, go ahead.

00:28:56.800 The Media Research Center has been looking at the media coverage of the new scandal and in a post put out by Nick Kyle, who is, I think, referencing it.

00:29:07.000 He writes as follows.

00:29:07.740 He summarizes it as follows.

00:29:09.540 CBS, ABC and NBC News spent 2300 minutes, 2300 minutes.

00:29:16.140 Think about that, because like in the Kelly file, we were on the air for an hour.

00:29:19.120 We only really had, depending on the night, 38 to 42 minutes of content.

00:29:23.200 That's all you have.

00:29:23.920 So if a story gets, you know, five or six minutes on the show, that's good.

00:29:28.280 If it has like nine or 10 minutes, then it's probably the lead.

00:29:30.800 And we really leaned in.

00:29:32.700 But we're talking about 2300 minutes by the three major nets on Trump and Russia in 1617.

00:29:40.060 Fast forward to 2025.

00:29:41.380 The same three nets have spent under three minutes discussing this latest update.

00:29:49.280 Under three.

00:29:50.800 And of course, it would only be because he puts it as discussing Obama slash Russia.

00:29:55.720 I'm sure it was.

00:29:57.240 Obama has denied the latest crazy allegations coming out of Russian agent Tulsi Gabbard's office.

00:30:04.280 Exactly.

00:30:05.140 Well, not only that.

00:30:06.740 I mean, of course, like I said, how can you, you know, it would be like if you were to say, hey, Jim Comey, we think that there was a lot of FBI wrongdoing under your leadership.

00:30:17.400 We would like you to go and investigate whether that's that that really happened.

00:30:21.820 Everybody's like, why would you ask Jim Comey?

00:30:23.360 He's the accused perpetrator.

00:30:24.920 To me, this is the same thing when we when it comes to expectations of whether the media is going to report this.

00:30:30.180 And of course, they're not.

00:30:31.020 And you are right that if there are indictments, which there ought to be, the media will be forced to cover that.

00:30:37.960 But I promise you, I promise you the way they're going to cover it is by blaming Trump again, by claiming that this is exactly the fear that people have, that he was going to abuse the legal system and the power of the intelligence community to persecute and imprison his political opponents.

00:30:57.640 When that is exactly what they are so guilty of.

00:31:00.820 Trump really hasn't done that.

00:31:02.280 The ones who have done that are these people who spent eight years abusing the power of these agencies for no reason other than to undermine Trump because they viewed him as a threat to their power.

00:31:12.620 And this is how the mainstream media is going to depict this.

00:31:16.980 But this is, you know, in so many ways, of course, they have made they've done their own grave.

00:31:22.760 That's the reason why you have a gigantic audience, even though you have no major media corporation behind you.

00:31:27.380 It's the reason why so many people in independent media are more trusted precisely because of this behavior.

00:31:31.940 So they can do that.

00:31:32.880 They will do that.

00:31:34.140 They have to do that.

00:31:35.180 It's it's not just protecting their political allies like Hillary and Jim Comey and John Brennan.

00:31:40.320 It's protecting themselves.

00:31:42.480 But their ability to do that is significantly weakened, which is why I've been such a loud and persistent defender of independent media.

00:31:51.320 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:52.600 No, exactly right.

00:31:53.380 It's a very different ballgame today than it was even four years ago.

00:31:56.500 Never mind eight or 10 years ago when she was doing all this.

00:31:59.740 And back to Hillary, you know, the whole she she has a hat she's tweeted herself out wearing. 1.00

00:32:04.600 But her emails, she's tried to turn it into this ridiculous joke like, oh, but the moon landing like you net cases who are still railing about this made up scandal.

00:32:15.820 Well, this thing that, you know, you've you've used to try to unfairly tar me and you go on and you read about some of the like you point out, like the back story and the evidence on what she was doing.

00:32:29.840 And the motivation to it, because she didn't think Trump was going to win and the intel agencies didn't think Trump was going to win.

00:32:38.000 No one thought Trump was going to win, including in the fall of 16.

00:32:41.120 But she did need to distract from that email scandal, which was around her neck like an albatross.

00:32:47.240 Trust me, we were covering it every night on the Kelly file at Fox News and it was getting heated and heated.

00:32:52.920 And the FBI was looking into, you know, her behavior and we didn't know how it was going to come down.

00:32:57.880 It was bad. She had clearly violated violated the law with that homebrew server that had been accessed by foreign agents.

00:33:04.040 She compromised national intelligence information.

00:33:06.700 She did think she would never have allowed anybody at the State Department to do under her.

00:33:10.480 And that leaves me back to Schellenberger here.

00:33:13.320 This is page four of his report.

00:33:15.280 He says he writes as follows.

00:33:17.000 The Russian reports, again, that the Dutch spied on, that we got our hands on, also claimed and listen to this.

00:33:23.760 I mean, you probably already know this stuff, Glenn, but claimed that Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

00:33:30.840 OK, this is back in 16 people.

00:33:33.060 Remember, Obama's president, Loretta Lynch is his attorney general and her DOJ slash FBI are investigating the Hillary Clinton email scandal.

00:33:43.540 And also now we learn simultaneously working with the Hillary Clinton campaign to bury that scandal in favor of calling Trump a Russian agent agent.

00:33:51.860 OK, so the Russian reports also claim that Attorney General Loretta Lynch had privately told a Clinton campaign official and they name her Amanda.

00:34:01.900 Renteria, Renteria, Renteria, R-E-N-T-E-R-I-A, that she, Lynch, would make sure the FBI's server investigation did not, quote, go too far.

00:34:15.880 So this is the sitting attorney general reassuring the group that's representing one of her targets, an FBI target of an investigation.

00:34:24.700 Don't worry, I got this.

00:34:26.940 We got to do something because it looks bad, but it's not going to go too far.

00:34:30.740 Wink, wink.

00:34:31.360 This is so fucked up.

00:34:32.900 Goes on as follows.

00:34:34.340 After receiving the Russian reports, the FBI, which is under DOJ, so technically Loretta Lynch is their boss.

00:34:40.980 They went to Loretta Lynch and gave her what's described here as a defensive briefing, like, yo, boss, the Russians have documents proving you had a meeting with the Clinton campaign and you told them you're not going to let our investigation into her go too far.

00:34:56.720 And Andrew, Andrew McCabe told investigators that Loretta Lynch's reaction was, quote, odd.

00:35:03.300 And James Baker, the general counsel, noted Loretta Lynch's reaction upon learning of these allegations, quote, smelled bad. 0.93

00:35:12.320 Baker stated, quote, how bothered he personally was when Lynch simply responded.

00:35:17.740 Thank you after the briefing.

00:35:21.600 And let me go on because there's a little bit more.

00:35:23.680 The same report.

00:35:24.620 OK, quotes McCabe at length.

00:35:26.040 This is actually jumping ahead to the twenty eighteen offer Office of Inspector General report into the FBI's investigation of Hillary and the email that report quoted McCabe at length about Loretta Lynch's reaction.

00:35:38.260 When she was told, hey, we know what you've been doing and the Russians know it, too, alleging that she that she pressured Comey.

00:35:47.160 This is another piece that she also then pressured Comey to drop the Clinton email server investigation.

00:35:51.680 And he said, Andrew McCabe, she read the allegations and I will probably never forget.

00:35:57.480 She just finished reading them and said.

00:35:59.040 OK, I mean, like I expected more of a reaction than that, like I expected, like, this is crazy.

00:36:05.900 I never talked to that person, but she was absolutely stone faced and said nothing about the content of the memos, which I don't know how to interpret that.

00:36:14.880 So that's her being accused in the latter instance of actually telling Comey, you will drop this investigation now.

00:36:21.240 And in the former of telling the Clinton campaign, don't worry, I got this.

00:36:26.360 It will not go, quote, too far.

00:36:28.340 And in both instances, the FBI recoiling at her reaction, which when told we've got you, we know you did this shit with simply thank you or OK.

00:36:40.400 It's so infuriating.

00:36:46.120 It's so infuriating because part of me knows that there's not really going to be accountability for most of the people who deserve it.

00:36:52.640 Maybe there'll be like a sort of sacrificial lamb that they give up and plead guilty.

00:36:57.660 And but but the magnitude of this scandal and I just want to underscore one more time.

00:37:03.400 They did the same thing in 2020, the exact same people when there was very incriminating reporting about Joe Biden weeks before the election that could have jeopardized his chances to beat Donald Trump.

00:37:15.320 And the same exact people, the John Brennans, the James Clappers, all of these scumbags who have proven over and over that they're willing to lie, put out that letter saying, oh, this Hunter Biden laptop information should be ignored because it looks like Russian disinformation.

00:37:29.400 And then Natasha Bertrand and Politico took that and said it is Russian disinformation.

00:37:34.060 And from there, the whole all those stories got discredited and ignored.

00:37:38.660 They have been it's not like it's a single scandal they have in their minds.

00:37:42.700 And this is, I think, has been the biggest story of the Trump era from my perspective.

00:37:46.140 I have a lot of criticism of Donald Trump's policies, as you know, but my biggest criticism of my biggest concern, I think the story of the last eight years has been that they view Donald Trump as such a grave threat

00:37:57.640 to all the things that they thought were sacred, you know, way worse than, say, like a Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney who they could live with.

00:38:04.680 He wasn't just an ordinary conservative who's coming in to, like, shake up the entire system that they decided.

00:38:09.580 And when I mean they, I mean the attorney general, the FBI, the CIA and the mainstream media, especially that there can't be any limits.

00:38:18.220 There can't be any rules.

00:38:19.720 There can't be any other considerations other than the single minded goal of defeating Donald Trump.

00:38:25.320 And whatever they have to do to make sure that happens and when he won to destroy his presidency, whether it be lying, whether it be abusing these agencies, whether it be disseminating falsehoods, whether it be inventing scandals,

00:38:36.540 whether it be ignoring the orders that he gave to people who are supposed to be his underlings carrying out his democratic will, they would celebrate when his orders got ignored or subverted.

00:38:46.460 This was a profound attack on democracy by almost every major leading American institution that abdicated what was supposed to be their principal role in every case for the single minded partisan goal of destroying the Trump movement, even though he had massive popular support.

00:39:03.580 This is the threat to democracy over the last decade, and it comes from the very people who have paraded around and gotten very rich depicting themselves as the sole guardians of democracy.

00:39:14.420 And that's why I have such indignation over this.

00:39:16.900 I'm glad this is being there's more evidence now in the public domain, but it's been clear for a long time.

00:39:22.860 Very clear.

00:39:23.500 I'm glad Tulsi Gabbard gave more fuel to the fire for historians to understand it, for people like you and me to talk about and tell the public how bad it was.

00:39:30.680 But so much accountability is due because it corrupted all of our major institutions and still is corrupting these institutions.

00:39:39.020 And and on the Hillary point, she got away with murder. 0.99

00:39:43.820 She lock her up was right and righteous.

00:39:49.140 And Trump actually should have gone after her when he took office back in 17 January of 17.

00:39:55.500 The only reason it appears that the FBI didn't go after her is because the fix was in and Loretta Lynch was really clear.

00:40:04.280 She wasn't going to do that to Hillary and was telling the Hillary campaign, look, you know, we kind of have to do this for window dressing. 1.00

00:40:12.340 But don't worry, I've got you.

00:40:14.780 That's what's alleged in these documents.

00:40:16.580 And Hillary has been acting like she's the one who's been wronged. 0.59

00:40:21.500 This is all a made up scandal and the evil Trump who said she ought to be behind bars is so out of line.

00:40:28.060 Meanwhile, Trump didn't do it.

00:40:29.620 Everybody knows Trump didn't go after her criminally with his DOJ when he took office.

00:40:33.940 And yet, as soon as he was out of office, they did it to him.

00:40:38.240 So now he's back.

00:40:40.120 And look, the statute of limitations on the Hillary stuff on that stuff has run, though she, too, testified in the Durham investigation, Glenn.

00:40:50.600 And Ratcliffe mentioned her and the date of her testimony with Maria Bartiromo this past Sunday.

00:40:57.780 We actually could see Hillary Clinton back in the criminal hot seat, which she totally deserves. 1.00

00:41:05.720 And and not I mean, at the time she was out of government, technically she was a candidate.

00:41:12.840 The people who really were the ones who broke the law most are the head of these agencies, the Loretta Lynch's, the Jim Comey's, the James Clapper's, all of those people, the John Brennan's at CIA, the people in the Obama White House.

00:41:25.320 But the and this is what I think is also crucial to note is it wasn't just during the campaign.

00:41:32.000 But, you know, there are times in the second Trump term when I do feel like the Trump White House goes a little too far in trying to, like, expunge anybody with the slightest dissent or this most like minimal suspicion of disloyalty to Trump's agenda.

00:41:45.180 Because you kind of want some dissent in the executive branch.

00:41:47.660 But I totally understand it because the whole first term was driven by the fact that although Trump won and his mandate democratically was overwhelmingly clear, they had all sorts of people in every part of the government who were there for no reason other than to undermine and prevent his agenda from being implemented, that they were working against him even to destroy his presidency hand in hand with the media and these same agencies.

00:42:12.220 And so this is that's why that's why I mean, this is not just like one of these isolated scandals where maybe the attorney general covered up criminal wrongdoing because it was a political ally.

00:42:22.840 This has been an ongoing attack on American democracy and the will of the voters using the most powerful institutions in our government, working hand in hand with the corporate media to undermine the will of the people.

00:42:34.640 They never accepted that Donald Trump won the presidency because most Americans who voted voted for him.

00:42:39.860 They never accepted the Democratic outcome.

00:42:42.400 They believed their judgment was superior and they were determined to destroy his presidency and make sure he lost, notwithstanding what people wanted.

00:42:50.200 And they abused and lied and contrived and fabricated, again, in a way that I thought was extremely clear at the time.

00:42:57.360 But the more evidence, the better.

00:42:58.940 And maybe there's so much evidence that's going to come out again, Tulsi Gabbard and people like that, that the issue has to be forced.

00:43:06.120 And even though the corporate media will cover it up, they don't have anywhere near the stranglehold on the discourse as they previously did.

00:43:13.900 And Americans will start to fully understand just how deep this rot went and continues to go.

00:43:20.600 Let's talk for a minute about the Clapper Brennan op-ed in the New York Times, because this is the most pathetic fig leaf of a cover.

00:43:28.780 And they did it because they knew everyone would take it and run with it, that all they have to do is throw out just a few kibbles of the dog food and all the media lap dogs will eat it, willingly run with it and repeat it, regurgitate it more accurately on every single newspaper and television show.

00:43:46.260 So they've decided to, like, kind of the way Obama did, like, just kind of brush it off.

00:43:52.100 She's obviously a stool pigeon. 1.00

00:43:54.600 And, you know, we're not going to pay much attention to this Russian tool.

00:43:58.460 This is what they say.

00:43:59.900 Tulsi Gabbard and John Ratcliffe have over the past month claimed senior officials in the Obama administration manufactured politicized intelligence, that they silenced intel professionals and engaged in a broad treasonous conspiracy to undermine the presidency of Trump.

00:44:13.980 That is patently false.

00:44:16.000 In making those allegations, they seek to rewrite history.

00:44:18.660 We want to set the record straight and, in doing so, sound a warning.

00:44:21.820 By the way, they never sounded a warning.

00:44:23.680 We don't know what the warning is, having read the piece thoroughly.

00:44:26.920 They just wanted to say scary things at the top, like, be afraid, be very afraid.

00:44:31.080 They then cite the multiple reports that did conclude Russia interfered in the election, including, of course, emphasizing the 2020 Senate Intel report,

00:44:41.000 which we've talked about quite a bit on this show over the past two weeks with Matt Taibbi and Aaron Maté.

00:44:46.960 And really, that Senate Intel committee that investigated all of this appears to have just rubber stamped what had been given to them by the intel services,

00:44:54.780 that they didn't have subpoena power or their own really investigative, real investigative tools.

00:45:00.540 And that, not surprisingly, they rubber stamped what had been handed to them.

00:45:04.240 The main thing they seemed to want to prove was that there was no collusion.

00:45:07.780 So they said that there was no collusion. But on the, you know, generic allegations that came after that,

00:45:13.040 they seem to have just said, OK, yeah, they interfered. Fine. Fine.

00:45:16.420 But honestly, that's all falling apart. Whether the Senate found that or not, I don't really care.

00:45:21.860 I can see that the intelligence, the underlying intelligence was based on nothing.

00:45:26.180 It was based on a feather of intelligence that really wasn't worth anything.

00:45:30.080 So they write the most noteworthy was the Senate Intel Committee report, whose Republican members at the time included Marco Rubio,

00:45:38.600 now Secretary of State and Senator Tom Cotton, now the committee chairman.

00:45:41.480 Then they go on to say that no. And then they make no comment in here, Glenn, on all of the new revelations that that we've seen over the past couple of weeks.

00:45:51.640 Like they make no mention of the December 9th, 2016, new Russia interference assessment per the president's request.

00:45:59.380 The thing that we found out Obama insisted on after he found out that the intel agencies were about to write.

00:46:05.940 Yeah, you know, the Russian interference, it wasn't that dramatic.

00:46:10.300 Like they definitely did not hack our voting machines. And that's what you need to know.

00:46:14.480 And he put a hold on it and said, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:46:18.060 Then they had an intel meeting with his chief of staff and all the heads of the agencies, the three letter spy agencies.

00:46:24.540 And the next thing we knew, the report that was getting filed with Obama was, oh, they interfered.

00:46:29.260 They interfered all day long up and down the river. They interfered.

00:46:32.120 And then we get the intelligence community assessment in January of 17, which doubles down on all of that based on absolutely nothing based on the Steele dossier.

00:46:41.400 And then we find out this week based on three other pieces of so-called evidence, which aren't worth the paper that they are printed on.

00:46:47.160 So they made up. It appears that the president's request, the data they needed in order to say Russians interfered.

00:46:54.560 But they don't address any of that. The reversal by President Obama, the new intelligence assessment.

00:46:59.260 They don't address the September 2016 FBI and NSA assessment of low confidence that it was that Russia who did the DNC hack.

00:47:11.660 None of that. They just gloss all over it and want us to believe that this is yet another Tulsi Gabbard hit piece on them.

00:47:19.360 I don't know what jumped out at you when you read this.

00:47:21.880 To me, it was more the omissions than it was the affirmative statements of fact.

00:47:25.980 Well, first of all, I just want to say a word about the Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Intelligence Committee.

00:47:32.000 These grew out of the only real investigation that Congress ever did about the abuses of the CIA, which was part of the 19 mid 1970s Church Commission report.

00:47:41.080 And one of the reforms was, OK, we're going to have a Senate select intelligence committee that oversees the CIA.

00:47:46.840 And in reality, they've completely co-opted it.

00:47:49.160 They only put people on there who are loyal to the intelligence communities for years.

00:47:53.200 Dianne Feinstein was the ranking Democrat or the chair, and she was a huge admirer of the CIA, did all their bidding.

00:47:59.300 The Senate Intelligence Committee is basically an arm of the intelligence community.

00:48:03.160 So the fact that they endorsed it, even if it's Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton, whomever, is completely unsurprising.

00:48:09.380 But here's the thing that I think is most important, Megan, is what Brennan and Clapper are trying to do is emphasize the claim that Russia interfered in our elections.

00:48:22.080 And as I said, I don't doubt that to some extent Russia did, because every single major government, including, I hope it doesn't shock people, the United States, interferes to a far greater extent in the eternal affairs of every country, including in Russian elections.

00:48:37.200 We do that all the time.

00:48:38.860 So had it just been that, what they're now trying to say, oh, the evidence is clear, Russia had some interference, like a few Facebook pages or Twitter bots.

00:48:46.720 No one, this would have never been anything.

00:48:48.440 The only reason why it turned into anything was, number one, because they severely exaggerated the extent to which Russia was doing it and claimed that it came directly from Vladimir Putin, who had a strong preference to elect Donald Trump, for which there's basically no evidence.

00:49:04.940 And that's where a lot of the manipulation happened.

00:49:07.000 But also, number two, this the thing that enraged me about the Brennan Clapper thing was when they said, oh, we collusion wasn't really part of anything we did.

00:49:18.340 If it hadn't been for this collusion claim, there never would have been a Mueller investigation.

00:49:22.680 There never would have been a political scandal.

00:49:24.700 It would have had nothing.

00:49:25.500 They needed this fake collusion claim because that was the only way to rope in Trump.

00:49:29.980 If Russia is interfering, how does that reflect poorly on Trump?

00:49:33.060 And it's also is Russia interfering because they know Hillary will win and they want to weaken her and can sow confusion. 0.99

00:49:38.520 Nobody thought Trump would win, including including Putin.

00:49:41.460 So this whole thing is an effort to rewrite history and to pretend all we ever said was Russia interfered.

00:49:47.540 And there is some evidence that Russia interfered and everything else that's being said about it is a lie.

00:49:51.480 When the entire thing was a political operation to smear Donald Trump, both as collaborating with the Russians to turn the election in his favor and Vladimir Putin, but also to claim that the Russians wanted Trump in office because they knew they could control him through blackmail leverages as set forth in the Steele dossier that never existed.

00:50:10.720 So you're exactly right.

00:50:11.760 The only reason The New York Times printed this was for liberals and media people who wanted to demean and disparage what we're talking about to say, oh, look, and just grab some stuff from Brennan and Clapper, some phrases that they're allowed to use, say they denied it and rely on on their reliability.

00:50:26.820 But the whole thing is a complete revision of history about what the claims actually were.

00:50:31.920 And they're pretending that all they ever claimed was that Russia did some interference.

00:50:36.040 This is an absolute lie.

00:50:37.620 And I think everybody remembers this.

00:50:40.020 Yeah.

00:50:40.520 All right.

00:50:40.740 There's more.

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00:54:09.800 Glenn Greenwald is here with us still, but also joining us now on this breaking news about

00:54:15.400 the declassified annex to the John Durham special counsel report.

00:54:20.080 Member Trump had him investigate how how this happened to him.

00:54:24.420 And now we're finally getting a look at the appendix to his report, which has all sorts of

00:54:28.920 information in it that really is quite damning for then Obama intel officials, many of whom

00:54:35.980 went on to serve under President Biden as well.

00:54:38.320 So joining us now with his take on what we're seeing is Aaron Maté.

00:54:41.800 He was just here the other day.

00:54:42.760 He's an independent journalist.

00:54:44.000 He covers the Trump Russia story for real clear investigations and sometimes subs for Glenn

00:54:48.820 on system update over on Rumble.

00:54:51.320 So these guys are friends and colleagues as well.

00:54:53.760 Aaron, welcome back to the show.

00:54:54.960 Glenn, thank you for sticking around.

00:54:57.100 So, Aaron, one of the pieces that Glenn and I were getting close to in the discussion was

00:55:02.760 the Hillary piece of this and the evidence, because that is they do name a couple of names

00:55:09.040 in this appendix on who came up with this scam.

00:55:15.120 And the name that we keep seeing over and over as one of them, at least, was Julianne Smith.

00:55:22.440 Schellen, Schellenberger writes, Julianne, it's J-U-L-I-A-N-N-E.

00:55:28.480 He writes, the alleged creator of the plan was Julianne Smith, a Clinton policy advisor

00:55:33.940 that the unclassified Durham report refers to as foreign policy advisor one.

00:55:40.440 And this woman, look how happy she is. 0.95

00:55:42.680 She's like, I got away with everything.

00:55:44.220 I nailed it.

00:55:45.420 And then Obama made me the liaison to NATO.

00:55:48.200 No, I mean, not Obama, Biden, like I continue to get employed by these people because I

00:55:52.800 all I do is sit around and do the illicit bidding of my Democrat power boss.

00:55:58.660 In any event, they appear to have gotten emails about her plan from Leonard Bernardo.

00:56:08.100 OK, and just to set it up again, I mentioned this in the first hour, but it's confusing.

00:56:11.100 So we're just going to do baby steps here because I know everybody's holding on by their fingertips here.

00:56:16.660 Leonard Bernardo worked for the Open Society Foundation, which is the George Soros organization.

00:56:23.060 Very, very, very linked to, you know, the Democrat elite, which would include Hillary. 1.00

00:56:28.580 And Leonard wasn't very careful with his emails.

00:56:31.460 So the Russians were able to hack Leonard and that's where they saw the plan. 0.85

00:56:37.780 And we now have in the Durham annex, like full screen grabs of the Russian memos that

00:56:45.760 the Dutch got their hands on and leaked to us where the Russians are recounting exactly what

00:56:51.500 they saw Leonard discussing about this Hillary Clinton fan and emissary Julianne Smith and how

00:56:59.500 they were going to stop Trump, undermine Trump.

00:57:02.920 And but most importantly, distract from Hillary's email scandal.

00:57:07.380 Do I have it right so far?

00:57:09.620 Yes, you do.

00:57:10.940 OK, you take it from there.

00:57:12.440 Well, you know, the first thing I have to say here, just to be careful, is that Durham,

00:57:16.620 when he weighed in on whether or not these emails from this fellow with Open Society,

00:57:21.780 Leonard Bernardo, he says that he believes they are likely authentic.

00:57:26.000 But he also said that he thinks some of this was a composite.

00:57:29.860 So basically, the Russians, who presumably took stole these emails, put different emails 0.53

00:57:34.520 together.

00:57:34.940 And it's possible in the process that Russia may have fabricated something.

00:57:38.900 We just have to be open to that possibility that in the process of putting this together,

00:57:43.220 there was some Russian fabrication.

00:57:45.120 But at the same time, everything that is laid out in these emails from Leonard Bernardo is

00:57:50.760 exactly what happened afterwards.

00:57:51.920 There was a Clinton campaign plot to frame Trump as a Russian agent, and not just through

00:57:57.200 Christopher Steele, but also through the Alpha Bank scam, which someone like Jake Sullivan,

00:58:01.620 who was then a top aide to Hillary Clinton, was pushing to the FBI. 1.00

00:58:04.420 And that was this conspiracy theory that Trump and Russia were secretly communicating through

00:58:09.120 the servers of Alpha Bank.

00:58:10.640 And there was all this unusual computer traffic, which by all accounts was fabricated.

00:58:15.400 And then you have also these emails talking about CrowdStrike, which is the private cyber

00:58:20.180 firm that we talked about in my last appearance with you that launched Russiagate by publicly

00:58:25.560 accusing Russia of hacking the DNC.

00:58:28.000 And then they came up in June 2016.

00:58:30.360 And who was CrowdStrike working for?

00:58:32.200 The Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:58:33.780 And who did the FBI rely on just as they relied on Christopher Steele?

00:58:37.020 CrowdStrike.

00:58:37.860 CrowdStrike submitted redacted reports to the FBI.

00:58:40.640 CrowdStrike never let the FBI conduct its own examination of the DNC servers.

00:58:46.400 And CrowdStrike repeatedly stonewalled the FBI's request to access the DNC servers.

00:58:51.500 And that actually came out.

00:58:52.180 Let me just interject, because I like to keep it really simple for people.

00:58:54.820 So just so where we are now is the FBI has been told via these leaks.

00:59:00.380 The Dutch, our Dutch friends came to our intel services and said, yo, Hillary's got a plan. 1.00

00:59:04.760 It was all laid out by Leonard Bernardo.

00:59:07.680 So he's talked to Hillary's people.

00:59:10.460 And look, this is what they're going to do.

00:59:11.600 They're going to try to smear Trump as a Russian agent.

00:59:13.680 So the FBI knows all this.

00:59:15.380 And then we start to get the smearing.

00:59:18.020 Then it starts.

00:59:19.160 Like they say, here's the Steele dossier.

00:59:22.420 Trump got peed on or watched Russian prostitutes pee on each other and all this stuff.

00:59:26.840 And CrowdStrike.

00:59:28.120 Look at this CrowdStrike document that says the Russians hacked the DNC.

00:59:31.720 And rather than saying, this is part of the plan, like this is we we just got a warning

00:59:37.480 this is going to happen.

00:59:38.520 They swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.

00:59:41.420 That piece of it they ran with.

00:59:43.580 Meanwhile, they were looking at these same reports being like, Hillary's not really behind

00:59:47.820 this.

00:59:49.460 Exactly right.

00:59:50.220 And it's really important that you stress the role of the FBI here and the fact that they

00:59:54.240 received this warning before the FBI officially launched the Trump Russia investigation, because

00:59:59.000 another line from one of these emails is that they are relying on the FBI to, quote, put

01:00:03.700 more oil into the fire that they've started by linking falsely Trump to Russia.

01:00:09.380 So there was an awareness, according to these emails, that the FBI was going to do exactly

01:00:13.900 what the FBI did, which is launch a baseless investigation based on a ridiculous predicated

01:00:19.480 by George Papadopoulos, which makes no sense.

01:00:21.520 And we all know wasn't the actual basis for this.

01:00:23.940 And use the Steele dossier funded directly by the Clinton campaign, a collection of conspiracy

01:00:28.620 theories for investigative leads and for surveillance warrant applications on Carter Page.

01:00:33.940 So I don't know for sure if every single word in these emails is authentic.

01:00:38.440 I want to be careful here because it just seems so perfect.

01:00:41.040 And also the fact and those of you on the right will love this.

01:00:43.440 This comes from someone working for George Soros.

01:00:45.860 I mean, it just is so it feels so on the nose to me.

01:00:48.820 But if it truly is authentic, which Durham says it likely is, it's just more evidence of

01:00:53.360 what a complete fraud this was.

01:00:54.920 So here's a quote from the Russian memo, one of them that we've we're now seeing.

01:01:00.840 This is in the annex to the Durham report.

01:01:03.300 And this is I'm quoting here from the Russian intel document that the Dutch stole.

01:01:08.180 Hopefully everybody's with us.

01:01:09.920 OK, it reads, according to data from the election campaign headquarters of Hillary Clinton obtained

01:01:15.440 via the U.S. Soros Foundation on 26 July 2016, Clinton approved a plan of her policy advisor.

01:01:23.780 They call her Juliana Smith to smear Donald Trump by magnifying the scandal tied to the intrusion

01:01:33.260 by the Russian special services in the pre-election process to benefit the Republican candidate.

01:01:38.340 As envisioned by Smith, raising the theme of Putin's support for Trump to the level of the Olympics

01:01:45.840 scandal, which appears to be a reference to Hillary Hillary's email scandal, would divert 0.61

01:01:50.720 the constituents attention from the investigation of Clinton's compromised electronic correspondence.

01:01:57.180 And they go on from there.

01:01:59.120 There's another one they write.

01:02:00.520 And this is a July 25th, 2016 email from Leonard Bernardo.

01:02:05.120 It doesn't say to whom, but that's where they say the thing about the FBI will put more

01:02:09.420 oil into the fire of the plan to tie Trump to Putin.

01:02:14.920 Bernardo later said something like, I don't know if that sounds like me, but didn't deny

01:02:19.580 it explicitly.

01:02:21.100 And it seems pretty clear he was hacked by the Russians.

01:02:25.640 Well, he definitely was hacked by the Russians because Durham confirmed some of the emails as

01:02:29.320 being authentic.

01:02:30.240 He just left open the possibility that, you know, he couldn't confirm everything, but

01:02:34.100 he did find identical language.

01:02:36.060 Let me guess, the most damaging ones to Hillary, like, he's not sure.

01:02:39.260 Those might not be real.

01:02:40.460 It's like Joy Reid and her blog bashing the gays.

01:02:42.960 Like, the most incendiary, those don't look like me.

01:02:46.340 That's where the hacker got in.

01:02:47.680 The rest is fine.

01:02:48.640 Keep going.

01:02:49.060 Fair enough.

01:02:49.360 And Julianne Smith, the aforementioned foreign policy advisor who's said to be the originator

01:02:54.860 of this idea of the smear campaign.

01:02:56.680 She also said that she couldn't rule out that maybe somebody else had proposed it, that

01:03:00.860 someone else had discussed something along those lines.

01:03:03.020 And again, it's exactly what they did.

01:03:04.720 I mean, Michael Sussman, who was Hillary Clinton's attorney for Perkins Coy, he hired CrowdStrike.

01:03:10.320 He encouraged CrowdStrike to go.

01:03:12.040 He connected basically CrowdStrike with Ellen Nakashima of The Washington Post, got that story

01:03:16.480 published.

01:03:17.440 He then went to the FBI with the fake data about Trump and Russia communicating through a bank

01:03:23.520 server.

01:03:24.320 So this is like these memos detail exactly what happened afterwards.

01:03:29.320 So that's another reason to believe that they are that they are authentic.

01:03:32.900 And but the fact that it was put in writing, if this is indeed the case, it's just extraordinary.

01:03:37.580 It speaks to, I think, Leonard.

01:03:39.500 It speaks to the confidence that they had that they could get away with this.

01:03:42.360 I think everyone assumed that Hillary Clinton was going to win.

01:03:44.740 And so this was just, you know, part of the job.

01:03:47.740 I mean, James Clapper had a line where he talked about we were working under the conditions

01:03:50.880 of presuming that Hillary Clinton would be our next president, why they all went along

01:03:55.200 with this and why some were willing to put in writing is beyond me.

01:03:58.060 But it speaks to the entitlement that they had.

01:03:59.740 But it makes sense that they felt that way, because look at the levels at which the FBI

01:04:03.440 went to advance their fraud by launching the Trump-Russian investigation to begin with

01:04:08.240 and keeping it going even after Trump took office.

01:04:11.300 And in fact, Andrew McCabe, who was well aware of all this because he was briefed on it,

01:04:14.960 according to the Durham annex.

01:04:15.980 What did he do in May of 2017 when Trump was in office as the president?

01:04:20.500 He opened up a brand new counterintelligence investigation of Trump specifically as being

01:04:26.100 an agent of Russia because Trump had recently fired James Comey.

01:04:29.760 That was basically Andrew McCabe's predicate.

01:04:32.880 Sure.

01:04:33.260 Sure, Andy.

01:04:33.920 Can I just interject one thing?

01:04:35.200 Yeah, yeah, please.

01:04:37.020 OK.

01:04:37.500 I'm so glad you have Aaron here because I don't think there's anybody with a greater mastery

01:04:40.560 of every detailed fact of this case that amazingly he retains all these years later.

01:04:45.340 And there was a book, a bestselling book, number one in the New York Times bestseller

01:04:49.400 was by a Guardian journalist named Luke Harding claiming to have had smoking gun evidence of

01:04:54.480 Trump and Russia collusion.

01:04:55.740 Aaron interviewed him.

01:04:56.920 It's please go watch it on YouTube.

01:04:58.980 The entire thing falls apart among the most minimal scrutiny.

01:05:02.560 But I just want to add one thing about this motive.

01:05:06.060 Like, why would they be so eager to blame Russia even if they thought Hillary was going 0.82

01:05:11.240 to win?

01:05:11.600 And I think one of the most important things to realize is that the whole Hillary faction

01:05:15.820 had a extremely hawkish obsession with Russia going back years.

01:05:20.880 They wanted to convince the American people that Russia was our grave enemy to justify wars

01:05:25.600 of the kind we're seeing now.

01:05:27.240 And so it wasn't all just about undermining Trump.

01:05:30.160 It was also demonizing Russia, convincing liberals in particular that the evil to our country

01:05:35.620 is Putin in Russia.

01:05:36.980 And he's the reason you got Donald Trump in the first place.

01:05:40.560 And I really think there's a through line between those lies that they told, those intelligence

01:05:45.260 fabrications they disseminated, and a lot of the foreign policy disasters that we're seeing

01:05:50.440 now with our endless involvement in this war in Ukraine and broader antagonism to a

01:05:55.560 nuclear war on Russia.

01:05:57.040 It's a twofer.

01:05:58.160 It's a twofer for Hillary. 0.96

01:05:59.620 She accomplishes a lot of goals.

01:06:01.500 There's really no downside to her, especially if the intel community will go along with it.

01:06:05.260 Never mind, help her. 0.96

01:06:07.500 So this is, again, back to today's news in this annex.

01:06:11.060 Erin, let me get your take on it, because this seems to strongly suggest that the FBI,

01:06:16.020 notwithstanding the warnings that she was going to do this, not only didn't dismiss it when

01:06:19.800 it started happening and say, oh, this is Hillary Clinton propaganda bullshit, but joined

01:06:23.820 in and we're like, cool, great idea.

01:06:26.820 There's a bunch in here that I don't totally have deciphered.

01:06:30.800 I don't know if you have thoughts on this, but this is the Schellenberger report, which

01:06:34.120 is helping us make sense of it.

01:06:35.860 He writes a verified email.

01:06:38.720 So something we know is a legit email dated July 5th, 2016, sent by an unnamed Clinton

01:06:45.100 foreign policy advisor.

01:06:46.340 I mean, it could definitely be this Julianne, but we don't know to campaign advisors asked

01:06:53.000 for help from the intelligence community to smear Trump.

01:06:57.620 Quote, we're looking for ways to build on Franklin Ford's great and scary piece on Trump and Russia.

01:07:03.720 And goes on from there about what she'd really like cooperation from them in the sentence

01:07:09.680 that follows.

01:07:10.240 The Clinton foreign policy advisor appears to recognize that what she's proposing, getting

01:07:14.020 people in the U.S. government's intelligence community to help the Clinton campaign is

01:07:17.560 illegal.

01:07:18.080 She wrote, I imagine the U.S. State Department's Bureau of Intelligence Research or intelligence

01:07:24.600 community types might also have some insight, obviously need to be a bit careful here, but

01:07:30.540 eager to get specifics of details.

01:07:33.100 Schellenberger, the outreach from the Clinton campaign to the intelligence community appears

01:07:36.660 to have continued through July.

01:07:38.040 Let's see, there's and then he goes on from there about the communications between them.

01:07:42.720 But the Clinton campaign seemed to have so much hubris, Aaron, that they were openly saying

01:07:49.260 we need to reach out to the IC to make sure they work with us on this.

01:07:53.540 Well, that makes sense.

01:07:54.040 And that tracks with what we know.

01:07:55.260 It was previously confirmed that in early July, Victoria Nuland, who was a senior State

01:08:01.780 Department official under Obama and then under Biden, that she approved the visit of an FBI

01:08:09.400 agent to go to Rome, which required her approval because of her position in the State Department

01:08:13.120 to go meet with Christopher Steele.

01:08:14.920 And it's at that meeting, this is July 5th, that Christopher Steele hands over the Steele dossier.

01:08:20.740 So at that point, you have a State Department, a senior State Department official.

01:08:23.700 This is July 5th now, communicating with Christopher Steele and receiving his conspiracy theories,

01:08:29.160 which were then disseminated into the FBI.

01:08:31.400 So that makes sense that at that early stage, you have people talking about, you know, communicating

01:08:36.320 and collaborating with their friends in the State Department because it was already happening

01:08:40.080 at the behest of Victoria Nuland.

01:08:42.540 Now, I have another question for you before I let you go.

01:08:44.820 And that's about Obama, because there are some references in here that I didn't totally

01:08:48.840 understand to what he was doing.

01:08:51.260 OK, they write, let's see.

01:08:55.760 The Russian memos, this is Schellenberger describing the annex.

01:08:58.800 The Russian memos describe meetings between the chairwoman of the DNC, Debra Wasserman Schultz,

01:09:04.480 and two executives with the George Soros Foundation for Eurasia.

01:09:08.100 So back to Soros and his role in all this.

01:09:10.620 Wasserman Schultz reportedly said in a January 12th, 2016 meeting.

01:09:14.500 So this is kind of predating all the stuff we discussed.

01:09:16.520 That, quote, Obama has no intention to darken the final part of his presidency and legacy

01:09:22.380 by the scandal surrounding Clinton.

01:09:25.180 And, quote, the president puts pressure on FBI Director James Comey through Attorney General

01:09:32.660 Loretta Lynch.

01:09:33.980 Then in a March 16 meeting, Wasserman Schultz reportedly said that, quote,

01:09:37.820 quote, Obama sanctioned the use of all administrative levers to remove possibly negative effects from

01:09:44.960 the FBI investigation of cases related to the Clinton Foundation and the email correspondence

01:09:50.240 in the State Department.

01:09:53.000 Is this what is this telling us, that he wanted the email scandal whitewashed, that he was the

01:09:58.780 one who gave the order that we heard Loretta Lynch espousing in our, you know, earlier this

01:10:04.640 hour saying, don't worry, Hillary, we won't let it go, quote, too far?

01:10:09.620 Well, listen, I have to I have not followed this aspect of the story very closely.

01:10:14.260 I focus on the Russia aspect, but certainly the fact that Hillary Clinton received a tap

01:10:19.840 on the wrist, this would track with all of that, which speaks to the broader impunity that

01:10:24.020 our elites face.

01:10:24.980 So it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is true, which is I can't speak to it at that

01:10:29.780 level of detail.

01:10:30.060 No, fair enough.

01:10:30.440 I appreciate your honesty.

01:10:31.720 Yeah.

01:10:32.480 It is kind of fascinating, though, to see, you know, Obama early on saying we're not going

01:10:37.500 to let the administration because this is this is his administration.

01:10:40.020 She was his secretary of state.

01:10:41.800 We're not going to let the administration get tarred with her these decisions. 0.85

01:10:45.500 So like to me, it sounds like a we can investigate a little, but we're not going to take it too

01:10:50.680 far, which would dovetail perfectly with what's what else is in this annex showing Loretta

01:10:54.460 Lynch, allegedly going right to the FBI and saying or to Hillary's campaign campaign and

01:11:02.100 saying, don't worry, it's not going to go, quote, too far.

01:11:04.880 And indeed, it didn't go too far.

01:11:06.520 James Comey announced that it wasn't going to.

01:11:09.500 Now, interestingly, he did that.

01:11:10.820 He made that announcement like right after he heard this.

01:11:14.540 There was something basically he tried to make it look like he was totally independent

01:11:18.640 of Loretta Lynch when he decided not to pursue the Hillary case.

01:11:22.040 And I don't know whether he was or he wasn't, but it certainly seems like his boss had made

01:11:25.820 clear previous to that to Hillary's people.

01:11:28.200 Don't worry.

01:11:29.100 The fix is in.

01:11:30.240 OK, Aaron, thank you.

01:11:31.460 Appreciate seeing you.

01:11:32.520 Keep us up to date.

01:11:33.960 Will do.

01:11:34.260 Thanks for having me.

01:11:35.980 All right, Glenn.

01:11:36.400 So before we move this, I've got to play this soundbite for you because I I know you'll

01:11:40.920 love it today.

01:11:41.540 It's not Michelle Obama diddies today.

01:11:43.880 It is little ditties from senators like Michigan's newest senator, Alyssa Slotkin, who was on

01:11:50.900 with the newly canceled Colbert.

01:11:53.640 And this is where she thinks the story needs focus.

01:11:56.720 This is what she thinks.

01:11:57.560 It's all about.

01:11:58.460 Sot six.

01:12:00.780 Spiritorily minded people out there like to think that some of the trouble the United

01:12:04.820 States has is because of the what they call the deep state.

01:12:07.200 Right.

01:12:07.860 OK.

01:12:08.200 And as a former spy, is there is there a deep state?

01:12:14.280 First of all, a lot of them are former military.

01:12:16.220 So, you know, if you if you can't be like pro military and then anti intelligence community.

01:12:20.200 And a lot of the guys are also like wearing mom jeans and white sneakers on the weekends.

01:12:24.820 Like these are good corn fed people.

01:12:27.620 This idea that there's some network of people that are running the world.

01:12:32.000 It's just it doesn't really match reality.

01:12:34.520 And for me, you know, the way that Trump is going after them is just it's particularly

01:12:39.880 first of all, it's nasty.

01:12:41.120 Second of all, it's completely counter to our interests to be demoralizing the people that

01:12:45.980 are protecting.

01:12:48.600 OK, she's she's the one who's going to stand up for the CIA, Glenn, against the evil right

01:12:53.780 wing that is unfairly trying to smear them.

01:12:58.540 I can't help but note, first of all, she is part of this crop of lifelong CIA operatives

01:13:04.060 that the Democratic Party specifically recruited, you know, like Abigail Spanberger, who's running

01:13:08.540 for governor in Virginia is another because the CIA, Megan, for decades was anathema to 0.74

01:13:14.920 Democratic Party politics.

01:13:16.020 It was a staple of of liberal American liberalism, that the CIA was a sinister force in our politics.

01:13:22.100 And what changed in 2016 was they began to see the CIA as their allies precisely because of

01:13:29.060 everything that we're talking about with James Brennan, with John Brennan in control of it,

01:13:32.880 who politicized it to help Donald Trump be defeated and try and help Hillary Clinton be

01:13:37.060 elected.

01:13:37.920 And so here you see what is obviously a very liberal audience at Colbert screaming and cheering

01:13:43.820 while a CIA operative defends the honor of the CIA.

01:13:48.580 This shows how much these agencies have become politicized.

01:13:53.540 You will never hear a Democratic Party elected official, not even on the left with like Rashida

01:14:00.100 Tlaib or AOC or Bernie Sanders ever criticize the CIA because that is the problem.

01:14:05.480 They now recognize that these agencies have become domestic political allies of the of American

01:14:11.040 liberalism and the left.

01:14:12.500 So you call on a 20 year CIA operative to say, oh, there's no such thing as a deep state

01:14:18.400 and these are just corn fed people. 0.58

01:14:20.220 And, you know, a lot of people who work for the CIA are perfectly fine, but that doesn't

01:14:24.000 mean the leadership isn't sinister.

01:14:25.500 Just like you criticize, you know, wars in the military, you're not impugning the integrity

01:14:29.500 of the soldiers who go and fight.

01:14:31.260 You're saying the institution has been corrupted.

01:14:35.460 This woman is one of the most annoying women in politics, people in politics. 1.00

01:14:39.500 The audience may be familiar when she was at that Pete Hegseth confirmation hearing.

01:14:43.740 I wanted to punch her in the face. 0.94

01:14:45.340 She was so condescending to him.

01:14:47.020 Well, you know, she she was saying to the next secretary of defense, a guy who's done

01:14:52.480 three tours of duty, who left Princeton to go fight for the country post 9-11.

01:14:58.140 Nobody leaves Princeton to go put on the uniform and fight for the country.

01:15:01.620 OK, most of those people are on the fast track to elitism.

01:15:03.960 But Pete Hegseth did and fought valiantly for us in all over the world, in actual theaters

01:15:10.520 of war.

01:15:11.700 So she's got him there for the confirmation hearing.

01:15:15.240 You know, and if you really do care about about the people in the military, and I believe

01:15:18.660 that you do, I believe that you do.

01:15:20.820 I do.

01:15:21.720 But if you really do care, every comment was like, I will accept that you might actually

01:15:26.600 care about the men and women in uniform.

01:15:29.460 F you.

01:15:30.960 He doesn't need your pat on the head.

01:15:33.680 All right.

01:15:34.020 He's done.

01:15:34.640 He's been there and done that.

01:15:35.960 He's got buddies he lost.

01:15:37.160 He doesn't need you, Alyssa Slotkin, to verify his courage, his patriotism, love of country

01:15:43.880 and so on.

01:15:44.200 It's just so infuriating.

01:15:46.100 If you watch that whole thing, it's still it's a very popular video that is on our feed

01:15:51.080 right now.

01:15:51.620 OK, anyway, I got to move on.

01:15:53.760 So that's enough of her.

01:15:54.960 OK, there's a lot to go over.

01:15:56.360 I want to touch on the Cincinnati.

01:15:58.300 I'm glad you cut me off because I have a lot to say on her.

01:16:01.340 So in the interest of moving on, let's move on.

01:16:02.780 No, no, I will give you a minute on Alyssa Slotkin because she's so fucking annoying. 1.00

01:16:07.360 Yeah, it actually reminds me.

01:16:09.600 It's one of the reasons why to this very day I'm so indignant about them trying to turn

01:16:12.800 Tulsi Gabbard into a traitor and a Assad loyalist and a Putin operative when Tulsi Gabbard as

01:16:19.280 a young woman went and volunteered and fought in combat for the United States in Iraq and

01:16:24.760 Afghanistan, not like in a lawyer's office, but in real combat.

01:16:29.240 She does that. 0.98

01:16:29.800 She's still in the U.S. 0.99

01:16:30.840 military 20 years later in the Army Reserves as a lieutenant colonel.

01:16:34.300 And then Hillary Clinton, who loves wars, sends people to wars, but never herself or her family

01:16:38.440 goes and fights them, has the audacity to try and impugn Tulsi Gabbard's patriotism and

01:16:43.500 imply she's a traitor.

01:16:44.500 They do this all the time.

01:16:46.400 Like, I have a lot of disagreements with Pete Hexth, have disagreements with Tulsi Gabbard,

01:16:49.880 but these are people who put the life on their line for the country.

01:16:52.600 Like, that deserves a minimal level of respect where you don't imply that their allegiance

01:16:59.020 to the country or their fellow service members are in doubt.

01:17:02.440 But this is Democratic Party politics.

01:17:04.380 They don't care about that.

01:17:06.000 No, not at all.

01:17:07.660 And yet she's like she's clever because she's not she's not a dummy.

01:17:10.440 You can hear her.

01:17:11.100 She kind of talks the talk.

01:17:12.620 She knows like the Cornhuskers. 0.57

01:17:14.500 She knows how to sort of make a reference to right wing politics. 1.00

01:17:17.960 And she keeps saying the same voters who put me in office voted for Donald Trump.

01:17:20.880 You know, she's basically just the same as Donald Trump with just just like a different

01:17:24.480 policy edge.

01:17:25.820 Totally untrue.

01:17:27.640 She's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

01:17:29.300 And people should know that about her.

01:17:30.660 OK, over to Cincinnati where we had this gang violence. 0.64

01:17:35.260 It wasn't an actual gang, but it was a gang of people ganging up on.

01:17:40.680 We counted three victims, a man, a woman and then another man in the write ups.

01:17:45.900 They keep talking about just a man and a woman.

01:17:47.700 I do not think it's the same man.

01:17:49.280 I could be proven wrong.

01:17:50.620 That's how like haphazard the information has been, though, coming out, because we have

01:17:54.340 an idiot running the Cincinnati PD.

01:17:58.180 She came out and her only comment on this decided to chastise the journalists who are 0.66

01:18:03.500 covering this beat down, which I'm sure she's very upset about because it's mostly black 1.00

01:18:08.120 people.

01:18:08.560 It's all black people beating up on a couple of white people. 0.88

01:18:11.260 So she's you're not allowed to have that in modern day America that can't be commented 0.98

01:18:14.680 on.

01:18:15.180 You can't say it's disgusting.

01:18:16.740 These people should be arrested.

01:18:18.280 It's it's bad.

01:18:19.080 You can't say that's a hate crime.

01:18:20.440 You can't say any of that.

01:18:22.000 If you could if it were the reverse, it'd be leading every newscast in America.

01:18:25.760 So that's all we've had from her so far.

01:18:27.840 We've had Vivek Ramaswamy, who's running for governor of Ohio and is from Ohio, saying

01:18:31.480 this is outrageous.

01:18:32.800 And I've spoken to one of the female victim and she's extremely hurt and he's going to

01:18:37.020 hold a town hall out there, which ought to be kind of interesting.

01:18:39.340 And then we had the vice president of the United States weigh in on what kind of a man would

01:18:42.800 punch a woman in the face. 1.00

01:18:43.720 Now we're getting the pictures of the woman who did get attacked.

01:18:48.340 Her name is Holly.

01:18:50.740 I don't know the full name.

01:18:51.680 I don't think she's giving the full name, but she did give Bernie Moreno.

01:18:55.200 Look at this.

01:18:55.740 I'm sorry to the audience.

01:18:56.920 This is jarring.

01:18:58.620 Look what happened to this woman for the listening audience. 1.00

01:19:00.400 Her right eye is entirely black.

01:19:02.340 It's not purple.

01:19:03.240 It's black. 0.53

01:19:04.380 Like, like something you'd see out of like the little rascals, you know, like that's

01:19:08.300 how overdone it looks, but it's real.

01:19:10.520 This is right after she got out of the hospital and her lips look enormous with the same like

01:19:15.420 black color bruising.

01:19:17.640 You know, they say black and blue boy.

01:19:19.440 Oh boy.

01:19:19.740 Is she ever thanks to the beat down in it.

01:19:21.960 And the entire right side of her face is yellow.

01:19:24.500 And you can see the bruising there too.

01:19:26.240 After she got slammed.

01:19:27.340 Can we show them a video of what happened to this woman?

01:19:30.040 Which is how this happened to her and on her chest to more bruising severe. 0.84

01:19:34.120 Bruising and neck.

01:19:35.720 Here's the attack.

01:19:39.760 Somebody's getting up.

01:19:40.760 A man in a white shirt.

01:19:42.120 We don't do not believe they're together.

01:19:44.200 She seemed to try to intervene.

01:19:48.360 She gets shoved to the ground. 1.00

01:19:50.160 And before that happened, one of the assailants punched her in the face.

01:19:56.020 And then we think kicked her in the face. 0.95

01:19:58.400 And she looks, she's lying on the ground.

01:19:59.300 She looks dead.

01:19:59.940 Thank God she was not dead.

01:20:01.420 She was severely hurt.

01:20:02.860 So now you get, um, a council woman, a council woman, Glenn. 0.65

01:20:10.460 Actually, before I leave the council woman, or before I, before I go to the council woman, 0.81

01:20:13.540 the police chief chastises it all.

01:20:15.760 This is because of you.

01:20:16.900 You don't know what happened on the videos.

01:20:18.200 You're misrepresenting.

01:20:19.360 You don't know what came before the videos.

01:20:21.140 In response to which literally every journalist alive covering this said, great, show us what

01:20:25.240 happened before.

01:20:26.100 Totally open-minded to that.

01:20:27.260 We got the narrative wrong.

01:20:28.240 Like most journalists would like to know if they've been completely misled.

01:20:32.640 And if there's something that would make the white people look bad, times that by 10,

01:20:36.880 right?

01:20:37.120 Like, great.

01:20:37.980 Give us a way we can blame it on the two white people. 0.78

01:20:39.980 We're in.

01:20:40.980 Did she?

01:20:41.720 No.

01:20:42.100 She didn't mention anything.

01:20:42.900 And now we have the Cincinnati detective, Barney Blank, who does offer more information.

01:20:50.500 And what he's saying is this was a coordinated attack by two of the black men who are now

01:20:56.860 under arrest.

01:20:57.840 So the more information does not seem to exonerate the two white people who got attacked.

01:21:02.380 It seems to further indict two of the assailants who happen to be black.

01:21:05.780 Here's that Cincinnati detective.

01:21:07.440 So this is more kind of an ambush as to Mr. Merriweather's involvement in this.

01:21:15.580 He we believe that he coordinated this with Mr. Matthew.

01:21:20.440 So those two, those are two black defendants who have been arrested.

01:21:23.380 He said they the video shows Merriweather again arrested, walking up to Matthews, also

01:21:29.520 arrested now, whispering something to him and approaching one of the victims from behind

01:21:33.100 before striking him in the face.

01:21:34.380 Merriweather and Matthews then chase the victim who is trying to retreat to the ground before

01:21:39.680 punching and kicking him, according to, again, this Cincinnati police detective, Barney

01:21:43.720 Blank.

01:21:44.540 The detective added that Merriweather then went after another man.

01:21:47.920 That must be our second man, Banks.

01:21:49.960 We believe he coordinated this with Mr. Matthews, now a co-defendant.

01:21:55.140 We have Mr. Merriweather coming up behind the victim, striking him in the side of the

01:21:59.160 face from behind.

01:22:00.860 Um, but then he said police are looking into whether the victim struck Matthews or first

01:22:09.140 struck Matthews because we did see, and I pointed this out to the audience, the white 1.00

01:22:13.000 man in the one snippet of video was the first to lay hands on someone when he slapped one

01:22:18.540 of the, you know, about to be gang members.

01:22:21.920 So he's looking into that, but he does say that this was a coordinated attack by at least

01:22:27.100 these two.

01:22:28.360 And, um, a lot of people started this.

01:22:30.200 There's a lot of people that started this.

01:22:32.120 Uh, Matthews attorney says what actually happened, according to him, he's defending one of the

01:22:36.340 people who have been arrested is that Matthews was allegedly standing on a street corner for

01:22:41.540 his business.

01:22:42.020 When a fight broke out, the attorney added that Matthews tried to break up the fight.

01:22:45.380 And when he returned, a man was kicking his business vehicle.

01:22:48.580 When Matthews went to confront the man, he was slapped in the face.

01:22:51.300 So he might've been on the receiving end of that, but the detective is saying, no, no,

01:22:54.000 no, no, no.

01:22:54.780 Matthews was coordinating with Merriweather and they had a plan and they chased the victim

01:22:58.680 who was trying to retreat.

01:23:00.060 And even my, my point is Glenn, there is no big video contrary to what this police chief

01:23:05.800 told us that shows the media got it wrong or that the white man is to blame or that he

01:23:12.120 uttered a racial slur, which was what was all over the internet two days ago.

01:23:15.900 And, um, the media has moved on.

01:23:17.980 So your thoughts.

01:23:21.660 In a way, I feel like between this and the whole Sydney Sweeney and then the like Dunkin'

01:23:26.300 Donuts ad, I feel like we've been catapulted in this time machine back to the worst excesses

01:23:30.100 of 2020, which we, I thought had a lot behind.

01:23:33.420 I do want to say that one of the things the police chief said, just to be fair, like that

01:23:38.060 I think is valid, like in the abstract, just like as worth considering is that one should

01:23:46.420 be cautious about assuming everything based on video circulating on social media.

01:23:53.640 Like as a lawyer, you know, there's a reason we have an evidentiary process, an investigation.

01:23:58.060 Sometimes things can be misleading.

01:24:00.080 You don't see the beginning of it.

01:24:01.820 You don't see parts of it.

01:24:03.000 I think that's a fair warning.

01:24:04.280 But, but the issue here is, is that there are certain things that cannot be justified

01:24:10.720 no matter the context.

01:24:12.540 What we saw here is somebody laying on the ground after he's been hit, struck down on

01:24:17.700 the ground, completely emotionless.

01:24:19.360 And then you have people coming over and kicking him in the face, punching him.

01:24:23.080 And then you have this white woman who also was punched in the face. 0.99

01:24:26.380 And once she's down, like, you know, was repeatedly punched in the face and you saw the damage.

01:24:30.840 Unless they have a gun or are like able to menace somebody, this has nothing to do with

01:24:36.280 self-defense.

01:24:36.920 This is savage, barbaric behavior to just try and like kill somebody or crush their skull

01:24:41.960 while on their, they're on the ground.

01:24:43.940 This is inexcusable.

01:24:45.700 But the reality is, is that the only reason this has even become a controversy is exactly

01:24:50.860 what you said, which is the racial aspect that should not be part of this equation at

01:24:55.180 all, if, as you said, this was, you know, two black victims, a man and a woman who had

01:25:00.340 gotten pummeled and beaten in the way that we saw by a white crowd, this would be leading 1.00

01:25:04.280 every newscast.

01:25:05.300 We would have all sorts of protests around the country.

01:25:07.200 We would have all kinds of meaning driven from this and think pieces and the like.

01:25:11.000 But because the race is reversed, there's like this discomfort about saying, no, this is 0.71

01:25:15.660 actual savagery.

01:25:16.720 This is barbarism.

01:25:18.020 And the people who did it ought to be severely punished, even if there's something that we didn't

01:25:22.820 see beforehand, like, as you said, that white guy, it was kind of like a slap that didn't

01:25:27.320 look very aggressive or violent, but, you know, it was still a slap.

01:25:30.160 People have the right to defend themselves.

01:25:31.400 But this wasn't self-defense.

01:25:32.620 This was, you know, an incredible amount of savagery and violence.

01:25:36.880 And there's this discomfort whenever that racial dynamic is where the black people are

01:25:41.760 the villain and the white people are the victims.

01:25:43.980 It just doesn't comport with the narrative that a lot of people want to have.

01:25:48.960 And as a result, you know, you get these kind of excuses.

01:25:53.520 Yep.

01:25:53.720 And it's not leading the newscasts all over the country.

01:25:56.020 All right.

01:25:56.160 Now, let me spend a minute on the city councilwoman. 0.99

01:25:57.840 Then we'll take a break.

01:25:58.800 Her name is Victoria Parks.

01:26:00.760 She decided to post on Facebook after seeing these same videos.

01:26:05.040 They begged for that beatdown, expressing that she was grateful for the whole story.

01:26:10.960 This is a city councilwoman.

01:26:12.780 They begged for that beatdown.

01:26:14.640 Now, some Ohio state representatives are calling for her resignation.

01:26:18.900 She hasn't responded to the blowback.

01:26:21.440 She has a record of progressive active activism, including declaring racism as a public health

01:26:26.480 crisis and making Juneteenth a paid county holiday.

01:26:29.360 She previously announced she would not seek reelection and would retire at the end of

01:26:32.480 her current term.

01:26:34.080 The Fraternal Order of Police president, Ken Kober, called her comment unconscionable, saying

01:26:39.540 it reflects a toxic political climate and urging voters to demand change.

01:26:42.920 It's really unbelievable.

01:26:43.780 They begged for that beatdown.

01:26:44.960 This person has been elected to a public post in Cincinnati.

01:26:49.980 And honestly, it's the same thing with me, like with the police chief.

01:26:52.600 She gets out there.

01:26:53.440 She should be saying, I'm sorry, I didn't have more officers on patrol in what was obviously

01:26:56.440 a fraught area.

01:26:57.900 I am sorry we didn't have this area better covered.

01:27:00.560 Instead, she was like, no one called 911 until too late in the process.

01:27:04.800 You know, poor us.

01:27:05.540 Now, great.

01:27:05.940 It would have been nicer if somebody had done that instead of videotaping.

01:27:08.120 True.

01:27:08.640 But then she had a lecture for journalists.

01:27:10.000 It's like, you know what?

01:27:12.000 Maybe you were covering the wrong area of town.

01:27:14.340 Perhaps you had this particular corner understaffed because there appears to have been scores of

01:27:20.160 people there who were irate and your people completely missed it.

01:27:24.700 And that's why Holly looks the way she does. 1.00

01:27:27.600 And we haven't seen a picture of the other guy.

01:27:29.440 But in any event, it's amazing to me to see this celebrated by a city councilwoman.

01:27:33.600 What does she know?

01:27:34.420 She doesn't know anything we don't know.

01:27:35.860 If there were a videotape of these people saying you're an N word or beating,

01:27:40.000 mob-like, these other, you know, would-be assailants, it would be released by now.

01:27:44.860 It would be released by the defense council.

01:27:48.920 That's why I say I feel like we've been kind of bolted back to this weird time warp that

01:27:52.140 I thought we had all agreed to depart from.

01:27:54.340 And that seems very distant, but apparently it isn't.

01:27:57.760 The city councilwoman here is black. 1.00

01:27:59.520 She has a history of activism on behalf of the black community and also using the kind

01:28:04.200 of racist discourse against white people that in 2020 was considered noble, but has now

01:28:09.820 sort of been widely recognized as not the kind of racial division against anybody that we

01:28:15.000 want to be promoting.

01:28:16.460 So, again, all you have to do is reverse this as if there's been a crowd of white people

01:28:20.080 bashing the crap out of a black woman and a black man who are on the ground and they're 0.99

01:28:23.800 kicking their heads and trying to kill them. 0.73

01:28:25.660 And a white member of the city council had come out and said, yeah, they had it coming.

01:28:29.460 I'm celebrating this.

01:28:30.460 They asked for this beatdown. 0.71

01:28:31.780 That person would be ripped limb to limb, figuratively, if not literally.

01:28:36.880 And but, you know, there's still this sense that like, oh, when the races are reversed,

01:28:40.540 there's some kind of like legitimate sentiment that allows a member of a city council to justify

01:28:46.840 and condone savagery of this type because the victims are white.

01:28:51.960 And so some in some way they had it coming.

01:28:54.020 This is this to me is the kind of toxicity that 2020 and the whole woke movement produced

01:29:00.240 that I think most East and Americans ended up really recoiling from and backlashing against. 0.62

01:29:06.240 And apparently in some sectors, it's still acceptable because she wouldn't she said it publicly.

01:29:11.600 It's not like she got on tape saying it to a friend.

01:29:13.960 She posted it on Facebook.

01:29:15.120 I think it was.

01:29:16.380 Yes.

01:29:16.820 And this is the kind of thing that we all have a responsibility to come together and condemn.

01:29:21.980 Yeah, she anticipated no social penalty and she's not being forced to resign.

01:29:26.200 She's just, you know, some some council person is asking for it.

01:29:29.700 That's not good enough.

01:29:31.100 She right now remains in power. 0.97

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01:31:06.760 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:31:10.580 Kamala Harris back in the news.

01:31:12.620 And who better to discuss Harris with than Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of Rumble's

01:31:16.420 System Update, Glenn Greenwald.

01:31:18.900 All right, Glenn.

01:31:20.000 She's writing a book.

01:31:22.740 It's called 107 Days.

01:31:24.800 She's releasing it now, just as the news comes that she has decided not not to run for governor

01:31:31.920 of California and increasing speculation that what she really is going to do is run for the 0.97

01:31:38.240 Democratic nomination in 2028.

01:31:40.000 So she has longer than 107 days, the title, because that's all she had to actually run and 0.98

01:31:45.680 try to seize the presidency.

01:31:46.600 Here is her little promo online for her book.

01:31:51.440 Just over a year ago, I launched my campaign for president of the United States.

01:31:56.320 107 days traveling the country, fighting for our future.

01:32:01.420 The shortest presidential campaign in modern history.

01:32:05.380 It was intense, high stakes, and deeply personal for me and for so many of you.

01:32:12.260 Since leaving office, I've spent a lot of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team,

01:32:19.420 my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together.

01:32:23.540 In essence, writing a journal that is this book, 107 Days.

01:32:29.820 With candor and reflection, I've written a behind-the-scenes account of that journey.

01:32:35.040 I believe there's value in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what I know it will take

01:32:42.200 to move forward.

01:32:44.260 In writing this book, one truth kept coming back to me.

01:32:48.580 Sometimes, the fight takes a while.

01:32:51.820 And I cannot wait for you to read this.

01:32:54.680 And I'll see you out there.

01:32:56.120 Take care.

01:32:56.640 Oh, my God.

01:32:59.140 Okay.

01:32:59.600 It really says something.

01:33:01.620 They went to her gland and they were like, literally, the only thing that's interesting

01:33:04.880 about you is those 107 days.

01:33:07.040 You were vice president for eight years.

01:33:09.260 Four years, sorry.

01:33:10.460 No one cares.

01:33:11.320 Literally, nobody gives a shit about what you did.

01:33:13.380 Nothing.

01:33:13.700 We know that.

01:33:14.600 Can you just tell us about what happened when you got drafted?

01:33:16.360 Okay, bye.

01:33:17.480 So, what do you make of her 107 days book and her announcement on California?

01:33:21.560 First of all, I do think there's something kind of unscrupulous and tawdry about how failed

01:33:29.780 politicians who spend their life in politics are immediately able to go and get mega rich

01:33:34.700 by writing some self-serving book.

01:33:36.740 We just learned Joe Biden got a $10 million contract for his book, which obviously he's

01:33:41.160 incapable of writing.

01:33:42.700 And it's like a chronicle of failure.

01:33:44.020 I don't know what she got, but I'm sure it's many millions of dollars.

01:33:46.700 The second thing is, what's so grating about this, among other things, is that the title

01:33:52.380 itself is nothing but an excuse.

01:33:54.700 It's basically a way of saying, yes, I lost, but it's not my fault.

01:33:58.140 That's such a good point.

01:33:58.760 I only had 107 days.

01:34:00.580 That's the whole point of the framing is to say, I had the shortest campaign in the history.

01:34:05.060 When in reality, had she run a good campaign, had she been an interesting person, a substantive

01:34:11.640 person, that could have helped her because a lot of times too much exposure is what reveals

01:34:15.740 your flaws.

01:34:16.320 She could have ridden that excitement, the whole brat summer thing.

01:34:19.720 It's just that she ruined her campaign by who she is. 1.00

01:34:22.080 The third thing is, remember the last three months of her campaign, Megan, were based on

01:34:28.980 the explicit appeal to the American voter that Donald Trump is a fascist and a Nazi-like

01:34:35.060 figure.

01:34:36.120 And if he wins, American democracy is going to be imperiled.

01:34:39.360 He then wins.

01:34:40.780 She's the standard bearer of the Democratic Party.

01:34:42.620 Joe Biden is gone.

01:34:43.440 She's clearly the person who's supposed to do this.

01:34:45.920 And she completely disappears.

01:34:48.040 Not a word of anything over eight months.

01:34:50.840 OK, take a month vacation.

01:34:52.280 That's understandable.

01:34:52.940 The campaign is intense.

01:34:54.660 Like, how do you call somebody a fascist and Hitler and say American democracy is ending?

01:34:58.700 And then when they win, you just disappeared except to show up at some like real estate

01:35:03.120 function where you got paid a couple hundred thousand dollars in Australia to give a speech.

01:35:07.100 Everything about her is a fraud.

01:35:10.140 And I think even in this announcement, you know, it's so free of substance.

01:35:15.660 This is supposed to be a person who wants to be president.

01:35:19.260 There's not an idea.

01:35:20.340 She doesn't have a thing to say.

01:35:22.160 And the whole book is going to be just a self-serving.

01:35:25.080 Yeah, I was fighting for our future.

01:35:28.800 And this book will be about the intense, high stakes and deeply personal journey with candor

01:35:35.880 and reflection.

01:35:36.540 You've said nothing.

01:35:38.040 You've once again failed to inspire us or even titillate us, which is a tease you're

01:35:43.760 supposed to be doing at all.

01:35:45.340 Or even like, say, what is in this book that like we should be interested in?

01:35:50.180 Or like, how about an idea?

01:35:52.040 You know, she's like, I'm going to stay in this fight.

01:35:54.520 Like, what fight?

01:35:55.720 You've disappeared for the last eight months and have been doing nothing but like enriching

01:35:59.820 your time in public office.

01:36:03.000 Mamdani is more, is closer to the leader of the Democrat Party than Kamala Harris is.

01:36:06.120 I mean, that's very clear.

01:36:07.100 Wait, I want to show you one more.

01:36:08.040 This is from her.

01:36:08.400 Yeah, because at least he has idea.

01:36:08.800 He has real views.

01:36:09.860 He has real views.

01:36:10.660 At least he has real views.

01:36:11.500 You know, yeah.

01:36:12.680 And that's what people want.

01:36:13.880 Wait, I want to show you her TikTok.

01:36:15.340 Cringy video, teasing the book.

01:36:17.440 Let's watch this one.

01:36:18.400 Okay.

01:36:18.820 Yeah.

01:36:20.420 Everyone thinks you've been kicking back, drinking margaritas on the beach.

01:36:25.260 But really, you've been hard at work, writing a book, meeting with leaders, thinking about

01:36:30.660 the future of our country.

01:36:33.300 Who said that?

01:36:36.720 What was that?

01:36:38.860 She's doing it for listening audience, like with her hand over her mouth, like she's telling

01:36:42.160 a secret.

01:36:43.160 I don't even know what we just saw.

01:36:44.760 If you had to work to get it, it's a fail.

01:36:48.640 You know what?

01:36:49.320 The thing that makes me feel the most embarrassment for Democratic Party leaders is you can tell

01:36:54.900 they've been told by consultants about how they should reconnect to the younger people.

01:37:00.640 Like Chuck Schumer, they always tell him, like, go on and pretend that you're about to curse

01:37:05.360 because you're so angry and out of control. 0.56

01:37:07.260 And he's like, those bastards.

01:37:08.820 I mean, those Republicans, you know, like this whole fake attempt to like be like Trump and speak

01:37:15.540 regularly.

01:37:16.120 So she's trying to be like a tech talker. 0.99

01:37:18.300 And then also this excuse, like, I know you think I've disappeared, but what I've been really

01:37:23.060 doing is writing my book.

01:37:24.100 It's like, who does that help?

01:37:25.680 You're being paid many millions of dollars.

01:37:28.200 You supposedly think there's all these rights in danger to democracy imperiled.

01:37:32.240 And you're trying to pretend like we don't think you've been doing anything, but actually

01:37:35.640 you've been meeting with world leaders and pondering and then writing your book that you're

01:37:39.980 getting paid millions of dollars for that will do nothing but justify why you lost and

01:37:43.820 blame everybody else for your defeat.

01:37:45.800 I mean, and also the TikTok, you know, vibe that she's trying to create that so she's a 0.62

01:37:51.360 60 year old woman. 0.97

01:37:52.260 It's fine.

01:37:53.200 We're not 20.

01:37:54.340 Like, I don't pretend to go on TikTok and be 20.

01:37:56.720 Right.

01:37:57.060 They should stop doing that.

01:37:58.440 You know, it's, it's just, it's all horrible.

01:38:01.920 It's, it's like a very quick reminder of everything that makes her awful.

01:38:05.700 I know.

01:38:06.540 I welcome her back into the spotlight.

01:38:08.860 Come on in sister.

01:38:10.420 The water's fine.

01:38:11.500 It's great to see you again.

01:38:13.700 Oh, okay.

01:38:14.180 Before we go, I got to show you this.

01:38:16.320 Martha Stewart, the goddess of home decor and events has weighed in on, um, Megan Markle

01:38:24.240 and also Gwyneth Paltrow for whom she had nice words.

01:38:26.740 But when she took a turn to Ms. Markle, it sounded a little different.

01:38:30.360 Take a listen.

01:38:32.300 What is it like to watch other celebrities, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow, Megan Markle, going

01:38:39.460 in your footsteps and following something that you really started?

01:38:43.680 Um, I don't mind.

01:38:45.680 I don't mind.

01:38:46.440 Good luck.

01:38:48.240 And Gwyneth's been very successful, by the way.

01:38:51.400 I think she's, she's created quite a, quite an interesting body of businesses.

01:38:57.360 Uh, she's admired.

01:38:59.200 She's a fantastic, she won an Oscar for heaven's sake as an actress. 0.84

01:39:03.020 Uh, I mean, she's pretty, she's pretty powerful. 1.00

01:39:05.560 Um, Megan, I don't really know very well.

01:39:08.020 And I hope, uh, I hope she knows what she's talking about.

01:39:11.360 Authenticity to me is, is everything.

01:39:13.620 And to be, uh, to be authentic and knowledgeable about your subject matter is extremely important.

01:39:20.880 That is such a classic and effective Martha Stewart burn.

01:39:26.380 She's like, the other is a know-nothing faker who's just glomming onto me and my brand, which 1.00

01:39:33.020 by the way, Maureen Callahan and I discovered firsthand, Glenn, when we did our parody of Megan's

01:39:38.720 stupid Netflix show, trying to make herself into the next Martha Stewart. 1.00

01:39:41.700 And we realized her one pot pasta is just a blatant ripoff of Martha Stewart's one pot 0.99

01:39:48.520 pasta, which turned out to be like one of her most famous recipes.

01:39:51.440 And it's honestly just like an unabashed ripoff.

01:39:54.860 I'm sure Martha's heard about it and is probably like, who is this fool trying to imitate that

01:40:00.100 she's me as she out of the other side of her mouth complains about how her castle is too 1.00

01:40:04.580 small.

01:40:06.760 It's funny.

01:40:07.420 I was going to do my pitch for Maureen Callahan, because as you know, I don't want to say

01:40:11.640 she's my favorite program on YouTube because I have one, you have one, and it's not really

01:40:17.220 political, but she is my favorite program on YouTube because she's the best cultural

01:40:21.800 commentator I've ever seen.

01:40:23.040 So hilarious.

01:40:23.900 So cutting about the people who deserve it.

01:40:26.280 But I also want to say, just tying into our other conversation, there's a documentary on

01:40:30.340 Martha Stewart about her prosecution on Netflix.

01:40:34.120 It came out a couple months ago that I really encourage people to watch because it was a

01:40:37.380 completely unjust prosecution driven by one James Comey who decided he was hellbent on

01:40:43.240 putting her in prison for no reason, simply to aggrandize his own career and his own image

01:40:47.940 to rise in politics.

01:40:49.260 And it's really worth watching for the Jim Comey angle.

01:40:52.160 But yeah, Martha Stewart sees exactly what Meghan Markle is. 1.00

01:40:55.960 And one of the things I love about Martha Stewart is she's very blunt and has never hidden what

01:41:00.900 she thinks, but it's very subtle.

01:41:02.960 She's very good at that.

01:41:03.940 And you walk away understanding exactly what she thinks.

01:41:07.080 I think I'm in love with her because she also trolled the Blue Origin crew after they 0.99

01:41:13.060 went up there and literally wanted us to call them astronauts.

01:41:16.320 And that was my inspo for my trolling that I did with Maureen and my stylist and friend,

01:41:21.420 Sarah, where we went up on our own space flight, quote unquote, and also became, quote,

01:41:26.460 astronauts, because Martha trolled them by posting her own zero gravity flight. 1.00

01:41:32.660 And she's like, hey, you know, let's not forget about this.

01:41:34.720 She's like she's pretty savage, Martha Stewart. 0.99

01:41:37.000 And she knows a loser when she sees one. 1.00

01:41:39.040 I want to tell you this.

01:41:40.720 With Love, Meghan, that stupid program on Netflix failed to rank among Netflix's top 300 most

01:41:46.680 watched titles between January and June.

01:41:49.160 The Post, New York Post confirmed Markle's eight part series ranked 383rd, with just 5.3

01:41:55.800 million views since it debuted on March 4th.

01:41:59.140 5.3 million.

01:42:00.580 I've got clips of you, Glenn Greenwald, that that have more than that on our on our feed.

01:42:05.560 It's crazy how low that was.

01:42:07.940 Harry's show Polo, also on Netflix, was watched by only half a million people.

01:42:12.680 It's at number 3436.

01:42:16.540 Losers enjoy Montecito.

01:42:19.240 Glenn, I got to run a pleasure.

01:42:20.800 Thanks for being here.

01:42:22.380 Always great to be with Meghan.

01:42:23.500 Thanks.

01:42:24.580 What a lift today.

01:42:25.360 Gosh, we covered a lot.

01:42:26.380 Thanks to all of you for listening.

01:42:28.460 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:42:30.560 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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