In this week's episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, Megyn is joined by Rich Lowry, editor-chief of The Weekly Standard and host of the show Rich Lowry Review, to discuss the recent stabbing of a garbage truck operator in the UK, the dangers of AI and chatbots, and more.
00:01:31.920Okay, first though, there's a lot of news to get to today, including some prominent liberals walking back, what, their controversial racist comments?
00:01:43.540No, walking back their sympathy for Charlie Kirk.
00:01:46.200Honestly, they're sorry that they were sympathetic toward Charlie after his murder.
00:01:55.540We'll talk about exactly who, and I don't know if you've seen this horrific stabbing out of the UK involving an Afghan national,
00:02:03.180but as you know, we've been on this story here for quite some time and did a long feature, a whole show dedicated to this a couple of weeks ago
00:02:13.820with one of our pals from GB News talking about the problem in the UK getting overwhelmed with Muslim immigrants.
00:02:24.560Some legal, some not, but many inclined toward crime, and they're killing Brits.
00:02:32.640Not just that, but we talked with him about how now some are pushing to have the British flags taken down in their neighborhoods
00:07:07.660But Farouk took in this suspect and was allowing this man to stay with his family.
00:07:13.400And what Farouk said, according to Farouk's brother, is that, quote,
00:07:20.400the Afghan man was staying with me, and the brother said there was no argument or any other issue that led to the attack.
00:07:28.040He just went berserk and started attacking my brother, the guy Farouk, and my nephew inside the home.
00:07:34.920That the brother had told him, the Afghan man burst into a room with a knife, screaming, and went mental.
00:07:42.800They ran out of the house, and the Afghan man chased them.
00:07:45.980This is what they get for their kindness.
00:07:48.840And that is when the Afghan man came across the dog walker.
00:07:52.540He then, I'm just going to describe it for the listening audience, but that he then attacked this sweet man walking his dog as though they had had a longstanding personal beef in which there was mutual hatred and in which the Afghan man's family was threatened.
00:08:11.480I mean, the ferocity and almost personal-seeming nature of the attack led most people to believe there must be more here.
00:08:20.300There must be more to it. Nope. There wasn't anything more to it, Rich.
00:08:24.780This Afghan man just wanted this gentleman dead and did everything within his power, multiple, multiple, multiple stab wounds, just went after him without mercy.
00:08:35.540And now there's talk in the U.K. of whether we're going to be looking at riots any moment now.
00:15:40.540It's just saying, no, we're not going to have more illegal immigrants.
00:15:43.760We're going to deport the ones that are here.
00:15:45.640And the immigrants who are illegal are going to insist that they assimilate to a society that, as you eloquently put it a few minutes ago, they have chosen to come to.
00:15:54.300There are lots of other places you could go besides the UK, United States, wherever it is.
00:15:59.400And if you're going to come, it's because you embrace what we're about and you embrace our heritage and our institutions and our values.
00:16:07.900It's an ask that many, many millions of – countless millions of immigrants in this country have accepted and have been totally fine with and embraced.
00:16:16.220But it has to be the basic requirement of a civil society.
00:16:21.960Otherwise, you see this disorder and people aren't going to put up with it.
00:16:28.180I mean I fear for my friends across the pond, it's too late for them.
00:16:32.900They've already allowed so many illegals and others – I mean and also legal migrants from countries that have totally unshared values with those of the West that we're seeing them overrun.
00:16:46.260I mean we had a couple weeks ago – I mentioned this – we had Will Kingston on.
00:16:51.560He's actually an Aussie, but he's been living in Great Britain.
00:16:54.160And he went off just about the problems that they're having over there and how we have to get really honest about how diversity is not a strength.
00:17:06.500And that it's actually tearing Great Britain apart.
00:17:09.980And we talked in that segment, Rich, about how there are certain parts of London now where the immigrants have grown so large in their population that they're now the majority.
00:17:21.100They're winning in mayoral spots across the country.
00:17:25.120And they're complaining about the British flag.
00:17:29.880Okay, here is – this is a UK Labour MP, member of Parliament.
00:18:46.100I mean, Nigel, if his team is shrewd at all, will be cutting that and making that campaign ad.
00:18:51.920I mean, that's the problem right there.
00:18:52.860If you can't accept your country's national flag and you think it's exclusionary, it's you who are identifying yourself as somehow outside the national community.
00:19:01.080That's the flag of the second greatest country in the history of the world, I'll say, as an American.
00:19:22.720But societies do have a reflex towards self-preservation.
00:19:25.720And we may be seeing that again with the rise of Nigel Farage.
00:19:29.900And also, you know, the U.K.'s politics, it's not quite ours.
00:19:33.460You know, the U.K. is somewhere in between the U.S. and Europe, kind of in its political attitudes.
00:19:38.120But we've we've solved this problem at the border.
00:19:40.720We're going around trying to alleviate it with the deportations.
00:19:44.800And but but the fact you point out that these communities are now overwhelmingly immigrant and the politics and and the culture there are reflecting that is a reason why it's not just the quality of immigrants you want to care about.
00:19:57.960You know, you want to select immigrants for merits and a merit merit in a way we don't.
00:20:02.120It's also quantity that matters because you don't want to get these insular communities that feel detached from the rest of the country.
00:20:47.620It's a CBS News anchor in Minneapolis cheerily introducing this change to a Minneapolis ordinance, allowing the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast at all hours of the day.
00:21:04.800The city of Minneapolis changed its noise ordinance, now allowing the Islamic call to prayer to be broadcast from speakers year round five times a day.
00:21:15.080In tonight's Weekend Journal, David Schumann of WCCO reports it is a first for a major U.S. city.
00:21:21.820The Muslim call to prayer, recited in here, heard out there.
00:21:36.180It is a very simple message to share the greatness of God and to call people to success.
00:21:40.520Five times a day, Muslims gather to pray at mosques.
00:21:45.180But the broadcast for the pre-dawn and nighttime prayers weren't allowed in Minneapolis until now.
00:21:51.300The city eliminated time constraints from the part of its noise ordinance related to religious worship.
00:21:56.660In the summer, that means the call could go out as early as 3.30 a.m. and as late as 11 p.m.
00:22:01.900So 3.30 in the morning, you're going to be walking down the streets of Minneapolis, maybe coming home from a bar if you're a kid, whatever, and you're going to be interrupted with Allahu Akbar, of course, exactly the phrase that all the terrorists shouted before they plowed their airplanes into the Twin Towers, into the Pentagon, and were brought down over a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
00:22:26.820Yeah, I'm sorry, but for many of us Americans, that phrase is deeply rattling and disturbing, and the last thing we need to have it to have is to hear it broadcast five times a day from loudspeakers all over American cities, Rich.
00:22:40.740Yeah, no, obviously, no one has a problem with Muslims praying, and every time I see it, I have all due respect for people whose faith means so much to them.
00:22:49.240But this is obviously, it's a violation of a noise ordinance, or should be, right?
00:22:54.580And those hours of the day, we wouldn't want church bells ringing at 3.30 in the morning.
00:23:00.040That's crazy, and it goes, it feels to a lot of people as an act of cultural aggression.
00:23:08.460It's one thing to be a Muslim who assimilates to American customs, you know, an immigrant, but it's quite another to be somebody who comes and wants a flag taken down in Great Britain, or here for that matter.
00:23:20.940And in Dearborn, Michigan, we've seen them out there chanting death to America over and over, repeatedly.
00:23:43.440And just like their media, our media, too, wants to bury the number of case studies where Americans are being killed or raped or attacked by anybody who happens to be an immigrant while playing up how evil ICE and Tom Homan allegedly are.
00:24:01.240It's a perverse reversal of values where we have black and white laws, excuse me, on the books that have been adopted by Congress, signed by past presidents that say if you're a legal immigrant, you should be detained until your immigration proceeding reaches its final result.
00:24:17.900And then if you can stay, you can stay.
00:25:10.48040,000 Muslims packed the streets in Dearborn, Michigan for a religious Aberdeen march, raising red flags on the increasing Islamic influence in America.
00:25:20.880Many are now pointing to calls that have been made by Muslims to take down America, saying their people are willing to fight and give their lives to bring America down.
00:25:29.820The event is being described as the largest Aberdeen procession in the United States.
00:25:35.020It's a Shia religious event observed primarily by Shia Muslims and celebrates the martyrdom of Imam Hussein, the grandson of their prophet Muhammad.
00:25:44.980This annual pilgrimage draws millions worldwide to Karbala in Iraq, but it's now starting to build on American soil.
00:25:52.020The event transformed a typical suburban roadway into a sea of black clad marchers chanting religious slogans, waving flags and carrying banners, a scene more reminiscent of the Middle East than the Midwest.
00:26:18.740Malcolm X said, and I quote, we live in one of the rottenest countries that has ever existed on this earth.
00:26:26.660It's not genocide, Joe, that has to go.
00:26:28.880It's the entire system that has to go.
00:26:31.320Any system that would allow such atrocities and such devilry to happen and would support it, such a system does not deserve to exist on God's earth.
00:26:42.700And so when these fools ask us if Israel has the right to exist, the chant death to Israel has become the most logical chant shouted across the world today.
00:26:57.160Chanting death to Israel, death to America, death to Israel.
00:27:01.400We rolled out the red carpet for these people under Joe Biden.
00:27:06.260They have entirely different plans, Rich.
00:27:08.020Yeah, so unfortunately, that's a pretty stark statement of a worldview that's not just anti-Israel, that's anti-Western and therefore anti-American at its core and at its roots.
00:27:19.240And one of the problems, Megan, is we had a huge wave of immigration, historic wave of immigration in this country, late 19th century, early 20th century.
00:27:26.940But there was such a huge effort to so-called Americanize, a word you can't use in a lot of quarters, all these immigrants.
00:27:34.740It wasn't just the government was trying to do it.
00:27:37.420Educational institutions were trying to do it.
00:27:41.300It was a huge cultural effort across all swaths of American society.
00:27:45.500And what we've had since the 80s or the 90s, pretty high levels of immigration with no emphasis on Americanization really whatsoever, and in fact, the opposite.
00:27:56.180And one of the more disturbing things about Ilhan Omar is you can make the case that she didn't come here and not assimilate.
00:28:02.300She came here and actually assimilated to a part of the Western and American opinion, which hates ourselves, right?
00:28:11.080So they wouldn't say it necessarily at Yale, Harvard, the way that a mom or whoever that was did.
00:28:16.460They wouldn't be quite so stark about it.
00:28:18.460But the underlying ideas and the underlying thrust would be the same.
00:31:02.040This was posted by Daniel Greenfield, CEO of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
00:31:07.740Literally, Mom Donnie just was arm in arm with him, all smiles, calling him a pillar of the community.
00:31:15.880He testified on behalf of the blind shake as our friend Andy McCarthy was putting the blind shake behind bars for bombing the World Trade Center.
00:33:15.000But he's so bought into this narrative that is anti-New York City, portrays New York City as a terrible den of discrimination and oppression.
00:33:22.100I don't think we'd have a million Muslim immigrants or 1.5 in the city itself and the environment if – in the nearby places if that were true, right?
00:33:31.380It wouldn't have nearly 300 mosques if that was true.
00:33:33.980It wouldn't recognize – the schools wouldn't recognize the Eid holidays if that was true.
00:33:38.000So it's just a lie, and it goes into – it's a slightly polite and more politically palatable version of what we heard from those associates.
00:33:47.400There's something deeply wrong with America.
00:33:50.100We have this ineradical sin of racism and oppression.
00:33:54.100You know, I want to go back to something you said before, and I understand why you said it, and I used to say it too.
00:33:59.420Like, no problem whatsoever with, you know, the Muslim religion or those who – you know, I have to say, I don't totally share your viewpoint on that.
00:35:04.980Resist it while you still can, and before the right to complain is taken away from you, which will be the next thing.
00:35:11.580You will be told you can't complain because you're Islamophobic.
00:35:15.580The term is already being introduced into the culture as if it was an accusation of race hatred, for example, or bigotry, whereas it's only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion.
00:35:30.800They're the symptoms of surrender, very often ecumenically offered to you by men of God in other robes, Christian and Jewish and smarmy ecumenical.
00:35:39.980These are the ones who will hold open the gates for the barbarians.
00:35:44.500The barbarians never take a city until someone holds the gates open for them.
00:35:48.700And it's your own preachers who will do it for you and your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you.
00:36:01.400And by the way, those are the same groups holding the door open from Mamdani in New York.
00:36:05.600It is these sort of smarmy white liberals who feel bad about their skin color and the colonialist past and feel like they're going to work out whatever white guilt they have by backing this radical guy, Mamdani, who originally, before he became the frontrunner, said in every corner his main reason for running was the plight of the Palestinians.
00:36:32.020That's why he wanted to attain power and so that he could push the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian narrative in whatever corner he could.
00:36:39.980And by the way, all these white liberals hearing that, including many New York Jews, are applauding him.
00:37:11.660One, he's obviously right about how Islamophobia, this manufactured thing that the Muslim Brotherhood had a big role in promoting, was going to be used as a shield just to protect any – from any criticisms of Muslim organizations or political candidates – sorry, or radical Islam itself.
00:37:29.240But I would say if – when it comes to the United States, we would not be the country that we are today if we hadn't been overwhelmingly Protestant and of British stock at the time.
00:37:40.600There are a bunch of cultural attitudes and ideas that came with that.
00:37:44.180But I do think we are – the project created an open society.
00:37:48.480I think if – you can easily be a faithful Muslim who's a patriotic American who believes in our ideals and our institutions.
00:37:57.360But we wouldn't – if we were a Muslim country in 1776, the revolution never would have happened, right?
00:38:01.820We never would have been a liberal society.
00:38:03.660And you could look all around the world and there was no Islamic equivalent of the United States.
00:38:07.860And they're still struggling with adopting Western values today.
00:38:11.700So I don't think it's a condemnation of any individual Muslim.
00:38:16.360I do think – I agree with you that there are cultural attitudes and values embedded in religions that work their way out and how societies govern themselves.
00:38:44.180I mean, the treatment of women alone is a deal breaker.
00:38:47.640And so much worse when you're talking about illegal immigrants or, you know, people allegedly seeking asylum like this alleged stabber in the UK was.
00:39:34.360And again, their Trump, who presumably will hire his Tom Homan, is leading in the polls, again, years before they get an election.
00:39:41.900So we'll see what happens with Nigel Farage.
00:39:44.540There's a fascinating book I read about a year ago called The Weirdest People in the World.
00:39:48.640And it's about the distinctiveness of Western culture and its values by a social scientist who occurred to him that all the psychological studies and exams that were being applied to people to figure out what human nature was at its root were all being given to Western college students.
00:40:05.920Because they're the easiest subjects, right?
00:40:08.340They're in a classroom or they're taking your seminar if you're a psychologist.
00:40:11.180So you give them the test or whatever it is.
00:40:14.080And what he realized and others realized is, no, one, college students aren't even the norm necessarily in our own societies.
00:40:20.440But they're certainly not the norm all around the world.
00:40:22.980And he found that the dividing line in terms of kind of Western values was the maximum extent of the Carolingian Empire, what, a thousand years ago or so.
00:40:34.100So in the West, you tend to think, if I have access to government money and responsibility for managing a government contract, it would be wrong to give it to my relatives outright.
00:40:42.900Oftentimes, that's honored in the breach.
00:41:43.520And they've got a plan to take over the world, quietly making this plan all along while trying to make nice, nice with the United States, leading us to believe, oh, sure, we love your democratization plan.
00:41:54.400And thank God we have Trump in there, at least in the United States, and Homan and Kristi Noem, who are somewhat like-minded, though there was a report this week about some friction between Homan and Noem.
00:42:36.540It was done from October 23rd to October 25th, so it's recent.
00:42:40.240And it was of 459 Democrat primary voters, okay, Democrat primary voters in Illinois.
00:42:47.000And that's the epicenter right now of the Tom Homan fight as, you know, Trump is threatening to put more troops there, and he's got the National Guard outside of Chicago.
00:42:53.660Question, do you believe ICE officers are jackbooted thugs who are disappearing and kidnapping black and brown people?
00:43:00.78077% of Democrat primary voters in Illinois say yes.
00:43:05.32070, almost 80%, yes, they're jackbooted thugs who are disappearing and kidnapping black and brown people.
00:43:11.360Do you support Governor Pritzker doing whatever it takes to keep ICE and other federal law enforcement out of Illinois
00:43:15.380and to stop the feds from picking up and deporting undocumented immigrants in Illinois?
00:53:58.340You cannot have one man become another unless, I mean, there's some like Hindu believers who might say you can.
00:54:03.640But the vast majority of people in this world understand that there is no reincarnation of Hitler into a new man.
00:54:09.820The whole criticism has been you compare him regularly to literally one of, if not the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, which is unjustified and unnecessarily incendiary.
00:54:20.660And that they have done repeatedly ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
00:54:25.120Here is just a small, short example of Democrats doing exactly what she said they didn't do.
00:54:34.700Donald Trump said, why, essentially, why aren't my generals like those of Hitler's?
00:57:28.100They fire up the rhetoric in the nastiest, most incendiary, you could argue, insightful, that's C-I-T-E, ways, and then disavow all responsibility for what they've done to their electorate.
00:57:42.620They cause the electorate, you saw it in that Illinois poll, to think all Republicans are Nazis and that political violence may be a viable answer to the newfound Nazism, and then totally disavow any responsibility for what they've done.
00:57:56.860It wasn't us, definitely wasn't us, never said it, didn't do it, doesn't matter about the magic of videotape and the writings, like magazine covers and Washington Post op-eds that we have a long, long record of.
00:58:07.980It's really, yes, dishonest, but it's also dangerous for people on our side of the aisle.
00:58:15.800And that leads me to what's happening now with Charlie Kirk, because it's not just a one-off, the people, it wasn't just the weirdos celebrating Charlie's murder.
00:58:24.060You knew it was going to happen, Halloween is in two days, and now all over the internet, we are seeing people celebrate their Charlie Kirk costumes, wearing the white Freedom shirt, and showing themselves with bloody necks, blood running down their bodies.
00:58:42.960We're just going to run through a few of them.
00:58:44.440These are disturbing for all the wrong reasons.
00:58:48.380Here's one that says, Hollow Point USA, pointing, it has like a blood red arrow coming out of Charlie's neck.
00:58:55.960They're all basically the same other than this one, where they're wearing the white Freedom shirt.
00:58:59.740Here's one, actually, where it's a Halloween costume, calling him Freedom Screamer.
00:59:03.100It's clearly Charlie with like a Joker's, like the Joker from Batman, his kind of face and makeup with a bloody neck hole and blood spurting out of it.
00:59:13.600And then there are, there's two people here, a man on the left, a very large woman on the right.
00:59:21.980Again, same general motif, blood coming out of their necks and all over their shirts.
00:59:26.500And there's more because we actually have a couple of, this woman who is pictured on screen, right?
00:59:42.780And the caption reads, I love gay Halloween because what do you mean you are Charlie Kirk?
00:59:50.380Then we had the University of New Mexico, activists taunting Turning Point USA students who are still in mourning with the following chant on Monday.
01:00:40.120Right in their faces, literally screaming in the faces of these poor Turning Point kids.
01:00:45.440Or just lining up a table with buttons and merch and wanting to talk to anybody who might lean conservative and feel inspired by Charlie's message of optimism and faith, Rich.
01:01:03.620We didn't see any of the Luigi Mangioni sort of thing around Tyler Robinson.
01:01:08.380He's been pretty much memory hold, actually.
01:01:10.280But this is celebrating the act of murder, if not the murderer the way we saw in the UnitedHealthcare assassination.
01:01:18.200I would say the silver lining, though, if there's one here, it just shows how impactful Charlie Kirk was, that they feel threatened enough by him, even in death, just his legacy and his memory, that they would want to desecrate it this way.
01:01:33.100Well, it's working on the leftists, because in the past two days, honestly, I think I praised a total of two leftists for their reaction to Charlie's death, and both of them have now reversed themselves on their human decency.
01:01:52.880Literally, the only two leftists who I actually had a kind word for because they reacted appropriately have now reversed themselves on their kindnesses.
01:02:09.460Shame on him, because he invited Charlie on his podcast, and Charlie went and sat in the lion's den with a far-left guy, was courteous to him.
01:03:04.160So his son was such an ardent fan that he begged Gavin Newsom to let him stay home from school, begged him to tell him exactly what time they had to get up and Charlie was coming, and then was obviously very disappointed that he didn't get to go.
01:03:17.160And here's Gavin Newsom on CNN Monday with an entirely different description of what went down, SOT 2.
01:03:24.800That's your son, obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk.
01:03:30.100What was the conversation like between you and your son after Charlie Kirk was assassinated?
01:03:54.460He's sitting there talking to me about not just Charlie Kirk, but folks like Andrew Tate and these, you know, sort of beyond Joe Rogan in many ways, sort of Facebook in so many respects of sort of this novelty of the pod, Manosphere, et cetera.
01:04:08.640And it was so interesting to me in that context that he knew so much about Kirk.
01:04:22.560So now it's suddenly he wasn't a fan as much as just familiar with Charlie.
01:04:28.060And that's why he begged his father to let him meet Charlie, to get up early in the day, to skip school just so he could shake Charlie's hand.
01:04:36.600Just just just because of his familiarity, not his fandom.
01:04:47.160We might be familiar with people we don't care about at all or actually dislike.
01:04:50.860And his son sounded like much more than familiar.
01:04:54.340And that the way he described it in the interview with Charlie, classic Gavin, different story, different audience, different time.
01:05:02.240I would say, though, the part I found most interesting in that CNN clip was as he went on and admitted that Democrats have a problem with young people and young men in particular.
01:05:14.880And, you know, this is a huge problem for them.
01:05:18.440It's notable that at least Gavin's aware of it and willing to talk about it publicly.
01:05:22.880But he said something that really struck me, that if this were any other group, that Democrats would be so concerned about their welfare and how do we help them thrive.
01:05:34.360But instead, they've crapped on young men, especially young white men, for decades.
01:05:39.700And they've actually this has been a group that's been struggling, despite the story arising in the 90s, you know, that women were having a huge problem.
01:05:46.420At the same time, women on all the metrics were leaping ahead and the guys were clearly falling behind.
01:05:51.140But we're all beholden to that narrative until the last, I don't know, couple of years or so.
01:05:55.040But this is a huge political problem for for Democrats.
01:05:59.000I don't think Gavin is going to unlock it or solve it.
01:06:01.940But is it interesting that he's aware of it and talk?
01:06:04.940He's definitely not going to unlock it with rhetoric like that about Charlie backing off of acknowledging how strong an influence he was and why.
01:06:12.960And by the way, in that same clip, he said Trump exploited the problems of young men to get elected.
01:06:18.500Oh, by that, do you mean he helped them?
01:06:23.300He recognized what they were going through and gave voice to it and promised them that he was going to stop it.
01:06:28.820And then on day one of his administration, reversed many of the policies that had been so demonizing them as a matter of of of policy by the Biden administration.
01:08:25.640An excerpt of my comments mistranslated what I was saying as I wished him well, like I was talking about him in a very positive way, which I wasn't.
01:08:36.600I was simply talking about his faith in God.
01:08:39.340And so it was a mistranslation, which is a pun, but not.
01:08:44.300Then she goes on to say, in the binary world today, you cannot hold two ideas at the same time.
01:08:49.280I cannot be Jewish and totally believe in Israel's right to exist and at the same time reject the destruction of Gaza.
01:08:54.360You can't say that because you get vilified for having a mind that says I can hold both of these thoughts.
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