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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:47.820 Oh, there's a lot to get to today. Thank you for being with us.

00:00:50.360 All eyes remain on these LA wildfires, which are ongoing and the damage that they've done.

00:00:57.500 And speaking of ongoing, the ongoing lack of accountability from the top officials.

00:01:01.720 It is truly a game of like, he's pointing to her and she's pointing to him and he's pointing

00:01:05.220 to them. Nobody, not one person, not one person has stepped up to say, I take responsibility

00:01:14.120 like Ron DeSantis would. I'm sorry, he's my model because that's another state that's dealt

00:01:20.180 with overwhelming natural disasters time and time again. That by the way, when they strike

00:01:26.060 may be a mystery, but that they're going to strike is not. And he would be the first to

00:01:31.540 say, the buck stops with me. I'm the chief executive of the state. To the extent there

00:01:37.160 was an inadequate preparation or response, it's on me. That's what Ron DeSantis would say.

00:01:43.280 You know it. And I know it. And what you have in California is these mealy mouthed,

00:01:50.420 kale eating, broccoli pushing, Birkstock, whatever, wearing politicians who can't find

00:01:59.320 another person fast enough to blame. My absolute favorite though, is the fire chief. She's growing

00:02:05.260 on me. When she's not focusing on her lesbianism, she's actually quite fierce.

00:02:09.920 She, she is not going down without bringing mayor Karen Bass with her and who could blame

00:02:17.240 her. All right, but I'm getting ahead of myself. We begin with California governor Gavin Newsom

00:02:23.140 who spent the weekend trying to avoid responsibility as the fires were still burning by dropping by

00:02:31.920 the pod save America podcast for an attempt to clean up his own image.

00:02:39.920 I want to know the answers. So I'm the governor of California. I want to know the answer. I've got

00:02:43.740 that question. I can't tell you about how many people, what happened on my own team saying what

00:02:47.980 happened. And I want to get the answer. I'm going to be candid with you. I wasn't getting straight

00:02:51.220 answers. Yeah. I watched the press conference. I met with some of those leaders. We had my team

00:02:55.920 start talking to local leaders saying what's going on. Our state, you weren't getting straight

00:02:59.260 answers. I was getting different answers. When you start getting different answers,

00:03:02.660 then I'm not getting the actual story.

00:03:04.220 So you decided the thing to do would be to go on pod save America to talk about it because it's in

00:03:09.940 the end, it's all about you. This is another David mirror folks. He is just as vain and worried about

00:03:17.060 his image in the middle of this emergency as David mirror with his little fake fireman's jacket and

00:03:22.700 clothes pins in the back. It's the same person, the same person though. I have to say Gavin Newsom's

00:03:28.740 probably a little smarter than David mirror, but that's the bars very low. Um, listen to this. He

00:03:37.260 goes out there. Uh, hold on a second. Do we have it here? It's sought for it's Gavin Newsom

00:03:42.940 talking on pod save America. No, no. Is it positive America? Yeah. Yeah. I'm positive America

00:03:48.120 about it. To me, it's like a, it's like a Hillary Clinton moment. You know, when she went,

00:03:53.660 she was like, the flames were licking me as I rushed across the airport. And then, um, Cheryl

00:04:00.660 Atkinson came out who had been there reporting on this visit that Hillary Clinton was doing for CBS

00:04:05.100 and showed absolutely nothing happened at the airport. She was totally the drama. It all it's

00:04:11.500 very image serving the drama that Gavin Newsom was basically almost burned, burned alive. The governor

00:04:17.860 of California. Take a listen. We went up to one of the canyons on the fire, um, sitting there feeling

00:04:24.500 we're good quarter mile away. I'm not making this up video to bear it out. All of a sudden we see an

00:04:30.420 ember hits the tree tree goes on fire. A hundred seconds. God is my witness may have been 90 seconds.

00:04:36.200 The house is in flames. I have embers of flames are taking it off my hair and we're running back

00:04:41.000 into the car. Winds are swirling around garbage cans were in the air and we were getting the hell out of

00:04:46.380 there. Okay. Why is he saying his God is my witness? And I'm not making this up before he tells

00:04:52.500 the story. Truly like, can I see the video? Can I see the embers in your hair? I mean, I've got

00:05:01.020 questions, sir. I don't find you to be a truth teller, uh, based on a long, long history of your

00:05:06.540 lies, but seriously, who stops? Can you imagine if Ron DeSantis in the middle of responding? No, no,

00:05:13.620 in that, not in the middle of responding in the middle of the hurricane, devastating his state

00:05:18.660 swinging over to talk with the guys at ruthless about like how it affected him. I got super wet.

00:05:24.940 The rain came down, gotten my hair. And then my hair got blown to not making this up hand to God.

00:05:31.500 There's videotape of it. The press would be excoriating him, but Gavin Newsom, let's talk about

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00:07:12.180 Hey, Megan. How are you?

00:07:13.220 Great. So the important thing is how is his hair? Did it or did it not have embers in it?

00:07:17.960 And you tell me what the answer is to my question about what the press would be doing to Ron DeSantis

00:07:22.580 if he swung by the Ruthless podcast. In the middle of the hurricane, the fires are still burning.

00:07:28.700 There's zero purpose in going on Pod Save America other than to burnish his own image.

00:07:34.540 And of course, that's all he cares about, right? That's why he tells this harrowing story of the

00:07:40.080 embers landing in his hair, which we know has to be false because if an ember hit his hair with the

00:07:45.240 amount of product he has in it, it would set the entire shoreline on fire. So this can't possibly be

00:07:52.040 a true story from Gavin Newsom. But that is all Gavin Newsom cares about is his image. He's

00:07:57.860 immediately gone into this defensive mode where he's trying to blame everybody else as if he had

00:08:02.400 nothing to do with the idea of having water to put out fires. And as if that was a strange concept,

00:08:09.540 like who could have possibly known that a fire could happen? Who could possibly know that the

00:08:13.700 Santa and the winds would come back? Who could possibly know that we might need water if those

00:08:18.420 two things combined? And that's one of the things when you talk about DeSantis, you know, he wouldn't

00:08:24.000 be interested in that. I mean, I think one of the things that's interesting about DeSantis nationally

00:08:28.000 is a lot of people have this idea that he is always involved in culture war issues. And he does care

00:08:33.820 about those things, right? He does care about wokeness. He does care about righting those wrongs.

00:08:38.280 And that's good in my view. But really the reason why he was so popular, this all happened before

00:08:46.040 COVID. He was really popular before these culture war issues were widely known because he took as a

00:08:52.120 priority the idea of competent governance and being able to defend against what is really the main

00:08:58.780 concern of a lot of people in Florida, which is God forbid a hurricane comes. What do we do?

00:09:03.740 There's a massive natural disaster. What do we do? Are we going to be prepared for it or is going to

00:09:08.080 roll out of control like what we're seeing in California? Every single part of Ron DeSantis's

00:09:15.620 job has been to be prepared for those moments. The Florida, the people of Florida who are residents

00:09:20.680 there, even if they hate his politics on other issues, know he does that stuff well and are

00:09:26.360 willing to put him back in office, whether they agree with him on wokeness or not, because he's doing

00:09:32.200 the type of he's doing the types of things that are baseline requirements of any

00:09:38.060 competent person. He is making sure they are prepared. He's making sure those trucks are

00:09:42.360 lined up before the storm hits. He knows exactly what he's doing. He explains it to the people

00:09:47.320 and it gets done properly.

00:09:49.280 Whatever he had, he pre-stationed all the electrical workers in the danger areas before the hurricane

00:09:55.760 hit. And this is the same thing. They knew the Santa Ana winds were going to be up to 100 miles

00:10:00.320 an hour before Karen Bass left for Ghana, which now the L.A. Times is reporting that when she ran

00:10:06.420 for mayor because she'd been flitting about the world when she'd been a U.S. Congresswoman,

00:10:11.160 including over to Africa many times, she promised the citizens of L.A. she would not take any

00:10:16.500 international trips. She said, don't worry, not only will I be living in Los Angeles, but I will not

00:10:21.640 leave Los Angeles on any international trips if I become mayor. And what does she do? She went to Ghana.

00:10:26.840 Why? It was something super important, something she really needed to get. No, she wanted to. She

00:10:31.800 was a damn boondoggle. Like she had to be there for the inauguration of the lead. Who gives a shit

00:10:36.740 whether we have an L.A. mayor at the inauguration in Ghana? I mean, it's ridiculous. Anyway, okay, so

00:10:43.160 she is totally incompetent and they'd been warned. She'd been warned. Her office had been warned and

00:10:51.160 the citizens of Los Angeles had been warned that the Santa Ana winds were going to be very dangerous

00:10:56.360 and that there was a supremely high risk of fire. Did she pre-position, you know, the electrical

00:11:01.820 workers, the firefighters? Did she bring in tanks and tanks of extra water? Did she make sure the

00:11:06.200 reservoirs were filled? Did anybody under her do that? Did Gavin Newsom? No one, no one did any of

00:11:13.480 that, Stu. Megan, she didn't even pre-position herself. She was in Ghana. I mean, she's created a

00:11:21.180 situation where the tragedy is so deep in her own city that Ghana actually looks pretty good to a lot

00:11:26.380 of the residents. And that is quite the heavy lift for someone in America to pull off. It's shocking.

00:11:33.980 I mean, we see what happens when people do prepare. We've seen private individuals who've been able to

00:11:38.520 protect their property. It's a very difficult thing to do on a larger basis, of course, but you can do

00:11:44.640 it. This is something that was known. And that's the biggest issue here is that every explanation for

00:11:50.720 what has occurred points to these politicians, every single one of them, with the exception of

00:11:56.080 climate change. And the reason why they're all going down this road of climate change as the excuse

00:12:01.380 for what has occurred is because it's the only thing that doesn't point to them. It's the only

00:12:05.160 thing that instead points to some mom in Ohio in her minivan trucking her kids around to soccer

00:12:10.700 practice, it's her fault. It's not my fault. It's their fault. They can point to anyone else.

00:12:16.420 They are in a situation where the only escape route is to blame a 0.9 degree Celsius temperature

00:12:22.820 rise over a century. That's all they have. And so that's the direction they're going because

00:12:27.640 it's not one of these situations where you can blame Donald Trump. Sure, they might say that in

00:12:32.800 passing. And that's usually their catch all for everything. But this is a situation where Democrats

00:12:38.260 have run the state. Democrats have run the city forever. They've had occasional Republicans who

00:12:44.620 have been in office who are very, very moderate and honestly, big time environmentalists anyway,

00:12:49.020 who have been over there. This has been in control by these hardcore environmentalists this entire time.

00:12:53.740 They've implemented all of these policies, and this is the result of it. And the only person to blame

00:12:58.920 is themselves. So they got to blame, you know, invisible gases.

00:13:02.320 Gavin Newsom is now writing to the Department of Water and Power and to L.A. Mayor Karen Bass,

00:13:11.780 demanding an investigation. He writes,

00:13:15.300 I request that the Water Department and L.A. County officials swiftly prepare a comprehensive review

00:13:20.300 examining their local preparation, underscore local, local, because the state preparation,

00:13:26.080 trust me, it was absolutely perfect, local preparation and response procedures to ensure

00:13:30.660 available water supply for emergencies and document any causes of the loss of water pressure and

00:13:36.920 unavailability of water supplies. Fully and transparently, please share the information and

00:13:43.080 records, blah, blah, blah. Babylon Bee comes out. This is actually, this was, you know, prescient because

00:13:49.700 this is a January 2022 headline, but it's perfect for that letter I just read, which just came out on

00:13:57.200 Friday. Gavin Newsom demands answers from whoever's in charge of California.

00:14:03.200 Exactly right. So now he wants an after action review. This is that like, he is pretending like

00:14:08.700 there is just complete separation of church and state here. You know, he had absolutely nothing

00:14:12.880 to do with it. Like if, if there's a local government that the governor really, his hands are

00:14:18.380 tied. He can do nothing to prepare for an emergency nor to address it after the fact. All he can do is

00:14:23.780 just demand answers like Stuber gear and Megan Kelly, like as observers outside the realms of power.

00:14:31.520 It's insane. I mean, here's a guy who has been, who is governed in a way that is incredibly

00:14:37.380 invasive into the people's lives of everyday Californians. He's tried to control every

00:14:43.520 aspect of people's businesses. He's tried to shut them down. Not of course the French laundry where he

00:14:48.580 was out eating, but he's tried to shut down the businesses. He's tried to require them to take

00:14:53.600 medications. They may or may not want. He's tried to do literally everything to control their life on

00:14:59.120 a daily basis, but he has no control whatsoever. No impact, no influence whatsoever over all of these

00:15:04.840 towns and whether they have any water available in their fire hydrants. It's really insulting to our

00:15:12.740 intelligence. Is it not? Everybody knows how Gavin Newsom has governed. He's been, all he cares about

00:15:18.320 is, you know, involving himself in your day to day life when he's not a thinking about his political

00:15:24.420 future or be hooking up with one of his best friend's wives when he's doing those sorts of

00:15:29.420 things. Maybe he's a little distracted, but he has absolutely all sorts of authority over these issues.

00:15:35.400 And at the very least could have been there with the, uh, standing on the soapbox from the top of

00:15:41.700 the mountain saying, Hey, we don't have this water situation, uh, ready to go for when there's a big

00:15:46.840 fire. We know the fire's coming. We need to do something immediately. You could have heard that

00:15:51.560 from another person who doesn't happen to be the governor of California named Donald Trump, who has

00:15:56.660 said it on a hundred different podcasts talking about how this needed to happen. And over and over

00:16:02.120 and you could, I mean, conservatives have been talking about this forever. Land management,

00:16:06.300 water management, uh, you know, not to mention all the DEI craziness that I'm sure we'll get into

00:16:11.220 all of this has been stuff that conservatives have been pointing out forever and he's opposed it

00:16:15.660 largely on that basis. And it's gone the opposite direction to made it much worse.

00:16:20.480 He not only has he been opposing it, but he's been funneling the California taxpayers money

00:16:26.740 to the, the homeless who are everywhere. Thanks to him to, uh, soft on crime DAs, right. Who he

00:16:34.280 supports and so supports who are letting these looters in and out. And then he denies it. Meanwhile,

00:16:39.180 we've seen the law that was, that's been on the books up until recently when the California

00:16:42.500 taxpayers reversed it saying, if you steal under a thousand dollars, we're not going to come after

00:16:46.700 you. It's fine. It's a misdemeanor. Uh, and to, uh, these illegals who are now getting

00:16:53.580 Medicaid in California, thanks to him illegals. So like this guy's priorities are not with keeping

00:17:01.080 people safe at all. He doesn't care about the crime, about the illegals, and obviously not about

00:17:09.620 the fires, which after the fact, you know, again, like, Hey, sure. So could somebody let me know how

00:17:14.400 that happened? That seems bad. He, um, gets caught out in front of the fires by NBC's Jacob Soboroff,

00:17:22.660 who is further left than Gavin Newsom. Uh, trust me, I know him. I worked with him for a year plus

00:17:28.440 at NBC and spent a fair amount of time with this guy. Um, very far left kid and not a kid, but he's

00:17:34.340 younger. And, um, he starts asking Gavin Newsom a bunch of softball questions and Newsom tries to spin

00:17:41.400 that everything was filled. All the reservoirs were totally filled. I don't know what the hubbub is

00:17:48.720 about. And Soboroff asks one follow-up question pointing out that the reservoir that serviced

00:17:55.820 Pacific Palisades was empty. Watch this.

00:18:00.700 When he talks about the Delta smelt, uh, and reservoirs, the reservoirs are completely full

00:18:04.880 of the state reservoirs here in Southern California, that missing disinformation. I don't

00:18:08.860 think advantages or aids any of us, uh, responding to Donald Trump's insults. Uh, we would spend another

00:18:15.240 month, uh, I'm very familiar with them. Every elected official that he disagrees with, very

00:18:20.560 familiar with them. We do know though, from reporting here locally, that that one reservoir

00:18:24.020 that serves the Palisades was not full. And that's exactly what triggered my desire to get

00:18:28.560 the investigation to understand what was happening. There was a very obvious threat

00:18:33.320 to this particular area. And now indeed, Stu, they're the, according to the LA times that

00:18:38.740 they believe or the Washington post, they believe that this fire in the Pacific Palisades was

00:18:43.340 the result of a nearby fire that had started on new year's Eve, thanks to fireworks that

00:18:48.380 they put out, but it was still smoldering. And with the high winds, it sort of jumped anyway,

00:18:54.020 all of which is foreseeable. And his, he's going to die on the Hill of, well, the locals didn't

00:19:00.320 fill their reservoir, but the state reservoirs had water. Amazing. I mean, the time to look into it

00:19:06.780 is before the entire city burns to the ground. Uh, that's kind of the time you target as a

00:19:12.860 governor, someone who's competent to look into such matters as not having water to fight fires.

00:19:17.020 You don't look into it after you're just looking at a bunch of rubble. You look at it before the

00:19:22.600 issue. That's entirely your job as governor. And he's failed at it over and over and over again.

00:19:28.220 And that's going to be his fallout. Of course it's, he's going to be the, basically the multiple

00:19:31.540 Spider-Man theme, a meme where everyone's just pointing fingers at each other. That's what's

00:19:35.660 going to happen in California. They're all going to, I guess, decide to blame everybody. Of course,

00:19:40.020 Donald Trump is going to get his share of the inexplicable blame. He's not even president of

00:19:44.180 the United States yet, but this is still going to be his fault somehow. You know, that's all out

00:19:48.860 there. And this is something that, as you point out, someone like Rhonda Santos doesn't do. They,

00:19:52.420 they look at this stuff in advance and try to fix it before it happens. Uh, you know,

00:19:57.340 and, and Gavin Newsom has had multiple issues like this. I mean, if you go back to even his

00:20:01.820 handling of COVID, which was horrid and horrific, but one of the first things he did when he got

00:20:06.540 into office, and this is covered in a, in a, in a Michael Lewis book, not a, not a conservative

00:20:10.940 author by any means, but they had an infectious disease expert who was running their health

00:20:16.200 department for the state government. Um, but the problem with her was she was, uh, uh, white

00:20:22.580 and blonde and Gavin Newsom wanted a person of color in that role and hired someone who had

00:20:30.460 absolutely no idea what they were doing whatsoever. This is not me talking about this. Again, this,

00:20:35.740 this is a liberal author who described describes the story in detail. And like, I'm sure I wouldn't

00:20:40.640 have agreed with everything that infectious disease expert would have recommended for COVID either.

00:20:45.400 I probably would have my problems with it, but the idea that you would put someone in an important

00:20:49.560 position like that before COVID, not knowing that it was coming, just putting someone in there who

00:20:54.700 looked the way that you wanted them to look going all out DEI with the lives of Californians instead

00:21:01.500 of picking someone who was already on staff and already lined up for the job, uh, who was an

00:21:06.780 infectious disease expert because she was white and blonde. This sort of stuff has been foundational

00:21:13.340 to Gavin Newsom and the way he has run the state of California and people shouldn't forget it.

00:21:19.160 This is his fault. This is his fault. It's Karen Bass's fault. And he needs to be held responsible

00:21:24.460 for it. Now you've got the media, including CNN's fact checker air quotes, Daniel Dale trying to tell

00:21:34.280 us that there was no shortage of water in LA. I mean, we know that the reservoir that serviced the area

00:21:40.860 that burned to the ground was empty, but he's like, there's absolutely no problem with shortage of

00:21:47.840 water in the LA area. Listen to this moron. There is no shortage of water in the Los Angeles area.

00:21:56.480 The reservoirs are at or above his historical levels. The water is there. Now we have seen

00:22:02.140 high profile issues in one part of the city, Pacific Palisades, where some hydrants were dry or did not

00:22:08.040 have a lot of water, but that was not because there was not enough water in the region. That was because

00:22:12.560 of technical, logistical infrastructure issues. Infrastructure issues. Okay. The LA times on

00:22:19.540 Friday, a department of water official acknowledged that the reservoirs absence, the one we're talking

00:22:26.460 about for Palisades likely contributed to some diminished pressure and dry hydrants in upper

00:22:33.660 regions of the Palisades. The reservoirs absence, meaning look at this empty reservoir that

00:22:39.420 service Pacific Palisades, that it contributed to the diminished pressure and the dry hydrants.

00:22:45.340 So how do you figure that there's no shortage of water in the LA area, Daniel Dale, and that this

00:22:52.360 empty reservoir had no effect? Are you who died and made you fire chief or department of water

00:22:58.620 investigator? He has, he knows nothing. This guy, all he knows how to do is run cover for Democrats.

00:23:05.020 They go on in the LA times to your point about Michael Lewis. This is no conservative publication.

00:23:11.880 This is not the wall street journal or the New York post. They write citing a former that quote I

00:23:17.480 read you was from a current DWP official. Now they go to a former general manager, a guy named Martin

00:23:23.480 Adams had the reservoir been operable. It would have extended water pressure in the Palisades. It would

00:23:31.180 have, of course, because they ran out of water pressure in the upper parts of the Palisades

00:23:35.440 once the lower parts of the Palisades were in trouble. And by the way, Janice, the woman who

00:23:41.420 runs the department of water works came out and admitted all this already. Daniel Dale,

00:23:46.600 Daniel Dale, I fact checked you and you failed. You failed the fact checked. And honestly,

00:23:51.120 it would help you a lot if you would just stop. If you just check your political agenda when actually

00:23:54.440 looking into things, because we've heard the water chief talk about this. She was out there the day

00:23:58.360 after talking about how the low pressure prevented them from getting water in the upper regions of

00:24:05.500 the Palisades. And then no, none of the officials denied that there was no water in the, in the

00:24:12.760 reservoir that was supposed to be servicing those hydrants, that that was it indeed a big problem for

00:24:19.780 the firefighters. It wasn't just the fact that there's shitty infrastructure. It was the absence of

00:24:26.880 water to draw from in the first place. Uh, in any event, you won't hear that on CNN.

00:24:33.900 You know why. All right, standby. We're going to take a quick break and we'll come right back

00:24:37.340 with Stuber gear and more coverage of what's happening in LA and what's happening tomorrow

00:24:42.540 morning, beginning at nine 30, which is Pete Hegseth and Pam Bondi face the beginning of their

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00:25:45.580 off. This is becoming a thing, right? So you've got, um, Daniel Dale of CNN saying there was absolutely no

00:26:10.440 water shortage. It's not a thing. And then Elon Musk, God love him because he's getting the star

00:26:16.180 link satellite feed up so that people can have service out there. He's doing a lot as he always

00:26:20.560 does in these tragedies to help people. And, uh, he goes out there and he's become sort of a citizen

00:26:25.540 journalist with his, you know, iPhone going out there trying to film. He did it in Israel after 10,

00:26:31.040 seven. Now he's in LA with some of the firefighters. And the problem he has in talking to some of these

00:26:37.660 firefighters is it's not a high likelihood that the firefighters on cam with Elon Musk and being

00:26:44.500 seen by their bosses and by LA mayor, Karen Bass and by everybody are going to throw anybody above

00:26:51.160 them under the bus. So in the, at the end of their 13 minute exchange, the following thing happened.

00:26:58.040 Watch like along the, maybe I'm correct if I'm wrong along in Malibu along the coast, there was no

00:27:06.060 shortage of water in the Palisades. There was a shortage of water at a certain point or is that not

00:27:11.740 well, we were just, we were flowing just an amount of amount of water that the system couldn't

00:27:18.040 hold. So he doesn't point to the reservoir and he doesn't talk about the empty hydrants. He says,

00:27:37.040 you know, to give the amount of water that we were throwing through this urban system was too much for

00:27:41.700 the system. And in his defense, the water works woman, Janice Quinones did say after the fire that

00:27:47.460 an urban system cannot handle the amount of firefighting that we were doing. Normally they

00:27:53.600 would throw in helicopters with water, but they couldn't given the winds. All right. So ultimately

00:27:58.480 what they did was they got tankers of water to come and sort of serve as backup, but too late,

00:28:03.240 too little, too late. Right. Again, a failure of planning. In any event, no acknowledgement by the

00:28:08.200 firefighter and who knows whether even understood about the reservoir that was empty that services

00:28:12.940 Palisades. However, a department of water official spoke to the LA times again and acknowledged

00:28:20.460 quoting here that the reservoir's absence likely contributed to diminished pressure and dry hydrants

00:28:27.140 in the upper regions of the Palisades. So it's already been admitted. Nonetheless, what do you see

00:28:32.580 now after Elon tweets out his live stream? Uh, Gavin Newsom's like his lies have been exposed,

00:28:40.680 exposed. And then he's like, Oh yeah, by the way, I want a full report on why that reservoir was empty.

00:28:45.380 Right. So it's like trying to have it both ways. It's a lie that we were out of water, but we were out

00:28:50.920 of water and I want a full report because it was definitely not my fault. It was the locals. And then you've

00:28:55.580 got the local firefighters being like, Oh, the diminished pressure. So no one in Los Angeles should expect

00:29:00.680 clear and honest answers because they all lead back to government incompetence and refusal to take

00:29:07.260 responsibilities to. Yeah, you're, you're totally right. And of course that's why they keep going

00:29:12.340 to climate change. Right. I mean, you know, we could talk about there not being any water available

00:29:16.580 in Los Angeles. Um, but I did some deep research, uh, which is looking at a map of Los Angeles and

00:29:22.140 there's this giant body of water, uh, right there called the Pacific ocean, which there's tons and tons

00:29:27.080 of water right there. The question is whether it's distributed, it's distributed to the correct

00:29:31.400 places. You need to have it in the right place to be able to put out the fires. And that's the

00:29:37.160 thing we're criticizing. It's not a lack of water. Of course they have water. They have lots of,

00:29:42.140 they've had lots of rain. They have these reservoirs for a reason. The fact that they weren't full,

00:29:46.780 like, I mean, look, this is a real stress. We can't downplay that. You know, we can't say that this

00:29:50.600 is an easy thing to deal with these fires. Even when you're incredibly prepared, they're still very

00:29:55.440 difficult to deal with. And when you have hundreds of homes burning down and every, you know, having

00:30:01.080 damage to, uh, all the, the connections between them, you're going to have issues with water

00:30:06.600 pressure, but like that's secondary to what you can do. No one, I don't think anyone's sitting here

00:30:12.240 and saying, Hey, like, uh, you should have been able to stop this fire completely. I don't think

00:30:17.380 anyone's saying that, Hey, you need to be able to control the winds of Santa Ana. We're not the ones

00:30:21.640 that are constantly saying we can control the weather to the 10th of the degree. That's them.

00:30:26.460 I think there are going to be natural disasters and sometimes they will do real damage. The question

00:30:30.740 is how much of this is the fault, uh, uh, you know, of the government and how much of it

00:30:35.520 could have been prevented. When you talk about climate change, you might be talking, maybe it is,

00:30:42.720 I mean, I haven't seen much evidence of this, but maybe there, it is a little bit drier. Maybe,

00:30:46.380 uh, you know, there is a slight around the, the fringes difference with when it comes to climate

00:30:51.460 change. We're talking about less than a degree Celsius over a century, but maybe it did something.

00:30:55.800 Um, however, that's not the main story. If the main story is it burns 998 homes instead of a thousand,

00:31:04.160 we're not celebrating that. We want this to be a situation that's under control. And at the very

00:31:08.860 least the people who are there risking their lives, standing there with their fire trucks outside of

00:31:14.900 these homes, watching the flames with the hoses in hand and nothing coming out of that.

00:31:20.260 That is the type of thing that is inexcusable. Yeah. Why weren't there? Why weren't the tankers

00:31:26.160 that we eventually saw in these neighborhoods pre-positioned so that there'd never be a

00:31:31.080 situation in which those in the upper hills of the Palisades would run out of water. As we saw

00:31:35.360 reported by firefighters left and right, which the media also tried to tell us was not true,

00:31:40.680 but then had to admit because the firefighters were coming out and saying it, you know, like

00:31:44.940 the gaslighting that, that the city of Los Angeles is going through must be infuriating for those

00:31:50.640 who are looking at their houses in ashes right now. Uh, just as an update as of today, the latest

00:31:58.840 count is 24 dead. Cadaver dogs are now being brought in to locate human remains. They expect that number

00:32:04.800 to go up. 12,300 structures have burned that Palisades fires only 13% contained the Eden fire,

00:32:13.920 which is one of the other ones, 27% contained. And so they're still in danger out there. Um,

00:32:20.580 I want to get to what the fire chief now is saying that this woman who, you know, she's a lesbian.

00:32:27.000 She wants you to know she's a lesbian. Yay. She's a lesbian in the first line of her fire chief file.

00:32:32.000 And she hired two other lesbians to work for her right under. Okay, great. Um, anyway, she is now

00:32:40.080 potentially going to get fired. The daily mail had a report out at 4 PM on Friday saying she'd been

00:32:45.020 fired. And then they had to update it saying, actually it didn't go as planned. She went into

00:32:49.380 the meeting with the, with the mayor expecting to get fired. Somehow something happened in that room.

00:32:54.680 They say that led to her not getting fired. I don't know, but this woman, she knows how to fight

00:33:00.740 fires and she's doing it now on the air. And she is like, bitch, I'm not going down alone to the LA

00:33:08.220 mayor. It's been pretty extraordinary to watch this woman Crowley fight back and tell us all.

00:33:16.480 I've been trying to warn these morons that we needed more resources and that we were not in a

00:33:22.160 position to do what we needed to be able to do. Her fire department got caught $17 million by this

00:33:27.900 mayor in the last year's budget, but that's not all. So let me give you number one, where she spoke

00:33:32.480 to Fox LA on Friday, Sot 7. The city of Los Angeles fail you and your department and our city?

00:33:39.680 It's my job to stand up as a chief and exactly say justifiably what the fire department needs

00:33:47.300 to operate to meet the demands of the community. Did they fail you? That is our job. And I tell you,

00:33:52.880 that's why I'm here. So let's get us what we need so our firefighters can do their jobs.

00:33:56.520 Did they fail you? Yes.

00:34:00.100 Oh boy. Shots fired. Okay. Then she goes over to Jake Tapper's show on CNN on Friday and listen to this.

00:34:07.960 Let me be clear. The $17 million budget cut and elimination of our civilian positions like our

00:34:14.720 mechanics did and has, and will continue to severely impact our ability to repair our apparatus. So with

00:34:22.120 that, we have over a hundred fire apparatus out of service and having these apparatus in the proper

00:34:28.960 amount of mechanics would have helped. And so it did absolutely negatively impact.

00:34:35.180 By the way, she went on like, that was not the only, like she's unloading now, Stu. So good luck

00:34:40.480 to Daniel Dale and Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass, who all just want to run cover for the democratic

00:34:47.060 leadership. Yeah. It's funny how, uh, you know, diversity was their most important thing, but as

00:34:53.660 soon as it, as soon as it's going to be, uh, beneficial to them to blame a lesbian firefighter,

00:34:58.920 they're going to be blaming her. I'm sure. Which is, it's really fascinating how that switches around.

00:35:04.400 The DEI doesn't last all the way to accountability. Um, I'm glad to see her out there talking like this.

00:35:10.980 And like, it's funny because I think this kind of shows where conservatives come from on these DEI

00:35:15.300 issues. If she's actually like the best firefighter for the job, fantastic. I be fan, be great. I don't

00:35:22.140 care. Like whoever it is, who, whatever skin color they have, whatever genitals they have,

00:35:27.360 whichever genitals they like, um, whatever it is, I don't care. I want the fires put out.

00:35:32.920 And I think it's really important that you have somebody who's at least stepping up publicly now

00:35:36.800 and doing this, um, uh, while this is going on, I will say, I, I think we need to think a little

00:35:42.480 deeper than that when it comes to what they can do. If you're having to be in this position and you

00:35:47.560 know, your state is letting you down now, don't wait until half of your city is ash before you

00:35:53.440 start saying these things, call them out publicly beforehand. Let people know it might cost you your

00:35:58.360 job. It's possible, but you could be saving thousands of lives, hundreds of lives. We don't know.

00:36:03.140 You said that number is 24. As you said, Megan, that number's going up. That's going up by a lot.

00:36:08.000 And I can't even imagine where it's going to end. It's a terrifying thought. So if you can get out in

00:36:12.520 front of this, if you're one of these positions, you know, these things, I might not know this.

00:36:17.000 Megan Kelly might not know this because we can't follow the inner workings of every police, uh,

00:36:20.840 fire department around the country. But if you make us aware of it, we can talk about it and maybe

00:36:25.000 draw attention to it before these tragedies happen. I mean, these, just to give people an idea of scale,

00:36:31.720 Manhattan is 14,000 acres in LA, at least 17,000 acres have been burned to the ground,

00:36:39.040 have been eliminated. They're gone. Um, it's, it's truly, it is shocking. I heard somebody saying

00:36:46.360 it looks like Mars, you know, like it looks like the surface of Mars now just burned embers. Think

00:36:53.760 about it. An area bigger than the Island of Manhattan. Think of if New York were just eliminated. It looks,

00:37:01.100 forgive me, but it looks like a nuclear bomb hit the region and it's just gone. Just a huge swath of

00:37:09.560 one of our most beautiful cities is gone. So all these politicians are done. I, they don't appear

00:37:15.680 to know it, but mayor Bass, your career's over. You're probably going to be recalled and kicked out

00:37:19.980 of office. There's a change.com petition with over a hundred thousand signatures. She's, she's going,

00:37:24.680 I don't know if she knows that Gavin Newsom, same you're effed. Stop telling us about the embers in

00:37:29.440 your hair. It's over for you, my friend. I'm sorry, but your political career ended last week.

00:37:34.640 Again, he, he, he's pretending like he doesn't know it. I'm here to tell you you're done. Um,

00:37:40.320 the only question is what they do now. And I have to tell you, like my friend who lives in California,

00:37:44.900 whose house burned, um, is this is my one woke friend. I love this woman dearly, but she's woke.

00:37:52.660 And amazingly, we've maintained our friendship. We kind of just don't talk about these subjects much,

00:37:58.040 but she's woke. And she's like, MK, everyone I know is ready to vote Republican. She's like,

00:38:05.620 everyone. I know all of her woke friends, all of her Dem friends. She was like, we're all talking

00:38:11.940 about how soon we can get Republican leadership into these offices. I mean, that is saying something.

00:38:18.360 It sure is. Uh, it's saying a lot. And I think you're, I think you're right. I do have my doubts

00:38:25.940 because I've seen California go down roads where I thought they might wake up and they haven't,

00:38:30.700 but I, I think you're right in this circumstance. And I think it's because it's crossed some weird

00:38:35.740 line for people, you know, as I'm watching the footage of Los Angeles, you know, burned to the

00:38:40.740 ground, you know, we were showing side-by-side photos of this and Nagasaki, and you can't really tell

00:38:46.020 the difference, uh, other than one being black and white and one in color. And I, I, I feel like as

00:38:51.200 a, as a person who grew up in the United States, we were a little spoiled here, right? We have the,

00:38:55.300 I think the best country that's ever existed. And I just look at this country as a place where

00:39:00.480 something like this can't happen. And I realized as I was having that thought, how many times I've

00:39:07.260 had that thought recently, you know, watching COVID happen. I thought that can't possibly happen

00:39:13.380 when Italy was going through those shutdowns, I remember thinking like that could never happen

00:39:16.460 here. And then weeks later, where were we, you know, watching the, the, the withdrawal from

00:39:21.240 Afghanistan, this can't be happening with America watching Maui burn. This can't be happening in

00:39:28.560 America, but these things keep happening in America, Megan over and over and over again.

00:39:34.200 This I think is deeper than Karen Bass or even Gavin Newsom, who's, I will agree with you, uh,

00:39:40.620 while the city was burning to the ground. So was Gavin Newsom, 20, 28. And we can be thankful for

00:39:45.540 that one little slice of this story, but like, this is happening a lot. And I, I, we have to make

00:39:51.820 a major change. Thank God Trump is coming into office here in, in a week, uh, from today. Thank

00:39:57.880 God that's happening. That's a piece of the puzzle, but it is bigger. I don't even think the president

00:40:02.300 of the United States can handle a transition like that. It's going to take all of us to wake up and

00:40:06.260 realize that we're going down a really dark road. Two things. One, it's his vanity that re that makes

00:40:13.820 him refuse to acknowledge reality. He's done. It's over Gavin Newsom. It's over. It's his vanity.

00:40:19.880 And that's why, you know, the hair and the meet the press and pod save America. Let me re rehabilitate

00:40:26.980 my own image. And Karen Bass too. She promised she wouldn't take the overseas trips. She took the

00:40:33.080 overseas trips. Jesse Kelly was here on Friday saying these people who run for local office tend

00:40:39.020 to be middling and unimpressive. I'm putting it in nicer terms than Jesse did. And he said they use

00:40:45.840 the taxpayer's dime to go on these boondoggles to see the world. They want you and me and my friend

00:40:51.760 in LA to pay for their vacations so they can go around and see Ghana, which is super cool. And,

00:40:58.300 and this woman, Karen Bass is on record saying when, like she says, when I first considered

00:41:03.780 running for LA mayor and I realized I wasn't going to be able to take my trips to Africa,

00:41:08.500 I first thought, yeah, I don't want to do that. I don't want to give that up. But, you know,

00:41:14.660 then I realized I'm going to have to do it. Well, she didn't do it. She's been over to Paris three

00:41:18.820 times. Now she's like, oh, it's because of the Olympics. I had to go see the Olympics and she's back

00:41:23.480 and forth to Ghana. So the, the vanity, right. Of these players who we keep putting in office,

00:41:28.540 when you want somebody who's just a workhorse again, like it, like a DeSantis, who just wants

00:41:33.760 to get in there and do a good job, who gets off and being patted on the back for his competency,

00:41:38.200 not for his hair or how well traveled he is. So, okay. That's number one. And then I want to

00:41:47.820 show this too. And we talk about Nagasaki and Mars and what it looks like now. There's this guy,

00:41:53.740 um, he's on Tik TOK, his name, he goes by selfish chef. He doesn't give his real name. And he was

00:41:59.900 coming back into the, uh, California region from, I think Florida, where he'd been

00:42:06.100 Orlando. And look, so you can see he's filming. This is Saturday. Look at this.

00:42:11.460 He saw LA, which was dark. And then you get to the fires burning. Just wait. Cause it goes on.

00:42:16.220 You see a third of the city just completely on fire, truly as if a nuclear bomb has been dropped

00:42:23.400 on Los Angeles and it keeps going and going. Look, there's more and more and more. This was

00:42:33.720 Saturday, Stu. This was Saturday. This wasn't, this wasn't Tuesday, the day that all the homes burned.

00:42:40.720 This is ongoing. And the fucking governor goes on pod save America.

00:42:49.000 It's jaw dropping. I mean, it looks like a disaster movie. You know, there's a, there's a

00:42:53.880 reason why they always place these disaster movies in LA and Los Angeles. Cause there's all these

00:42:57.740 landmarks and, and things that you recognize. And, you know, every movie with the rocket,

00:43:02.400 it has, you know, a bunch of buildings being knocked down in Los Angeles. This is what it looks

00:43:06.760 like. I mean, it really looks like that in real life. And, you know, it's shocking because,

00:43:11.980 you know, some level of pre-planning could have prevented a lot of this. We saw this with Caruso,

00:43:16.880 who was able to protect the property that he owns this mall by hiring private firefighters and

00:43:24.660 bringing them out and protecting a lot of the structures around this facility as well.

00:43:28.520 Positioned tanks of water. Exactly. Exactly. Now I, I don't know. I know you were a lawyer. I don't

00:43:35.500 know if you're a firefighter, uh, Megan, but you seem to understand the concept that water puts them

00:43:40.240 out. Because I'm too small. Okay. Message to the fellow women of America. I am too petite to fight

00:43:48.300 fires. I'm strong enough for a five foot six woman who's in relatively good shape. I can do stuff that

00:43:55.480 the average person my size can do, but I can't fight fires because I can't lift men or anything

00:44:01.880 over about 70 pounds over my shoulder. And that's even being generous to myself. Go ahead, Stu.

00:44:07.220 Well, you might need people to do every role, but you do seem to have nailed the idea that water puts

00:44:11.100 fire out. And that is a really important thing that many in California apparently didn't understand.

00:44:16.340 And like, look, you know, he had a lot of resources, uh, you know, and I don't know if this guy could

00:44:20.840 have been mayor, but may, you may have seen the DeSantis approach to this fire if he was, um, but

00:44:25.760 you know, he, he could have been mayor, um, and he's not, and he has a lot of resources, but I would

00:44:31.060 venture to say, despite the, his personal wealth, which is significant, he does not have the resources

00:44:36.720 of the state of California at his disposal. Uh, and my guess is that if California actually

00:44:42.020 prioritize this, as opposed to seeing how many, uh, lesbian firefighters they get higher and making sure

00:44:47.620 their number one priority was diversity, which is what these fire departments were saying.

00:44:52.580 And these cities were saying leading up to this event, if your priority number one was instead

00:44:57.200 making sure that if a fire, uh, began, if the, if the conditions presented themselves where one could

00:45:03.160 be coming, that we had hundreds, thousands of these, uh, trucks on and ready to go at our disposal,

00:45:08.780 number one, let's get this thing fired up so we can go and protect as many of these communities

00:45:13.740 as possible. That's not to say there wouldn't be any damage. You know, look,

00:45:17.040 nature has a pretty strong will and it's not always easy to overcome, but, you know, mastery

00:45:22.740 of these situations by human beings is how we've excelled. It's, it's, you know, people used to die

00:45:27.540 at rates 30, 40, 50 times as much from natural disasters, a hundred, 150 years ago. We've been

00:45:33.420 able to lower that in a significant amount because of mastery of these issues, being able to protect

00:45:38.800 people from weather and all these disasters. And California has this, we all know how to do it.

00:45:44.100 There's plenty of water right there. There's a plenty of ways to make this a lot better. It

00:45:49.500 might not have been perfect, but gosh, it didn't have to be this. And now we're looking at one of

00:45:53.100 the worst disasters in American history. You know what I hear when I listen to you? Racism.

00:45:58.220 I hear racism. Yeah. I hear it when I listen to myself talking about Karen Bass too. It must be

00:46:03.760 our racism. Just ask these two D list actresses, Yvette Nicole Brown and Kim Whitley with a different

00:46:11.780 take on why mayor Karen Bass is coming under such criticism. And she's got a spine of steel and she's

00:46:18.960 also been a black woman in America a very long time. So none of this is new to her. Um, we're mad

00:46:23.880 because we're tired of it, but we're mad for her and we're going to stand. Listen, I don't know how

00:46:30.280 you hear, but I'm happy you're here because somebody needs to say, you know, behind her and support

00:46:36.180 her because how is she handling them? You can see it in her face. She stays calm, but think about this.

00:46:42.120 She has the city to take care of. She does not have time to hear from these reporters.

00:46:46.220 And she is also not mayor of every municipality in California. We have fires every year. And I

00:46:52.800 don't remember in the, in the 30 years, almost that I've lived in LA, I've never seen somebody,

00:46:56.980 everybody react like this and blame one person for a natural disaster. I've never seen it. Now

00:47:03.380 what's different this time? Interesting, isn't it? You said that. Amen, sister. Amen. Oh God. Still.

00:47:11.100 I mean, it's the same stuff over and over and over again. I mean, I don't know how they could even

00:47:17.740 possibly believe that this would work, especially when I will say maybe with more blame, I placed on

00:47:23.780 the, on the, on the shoulders of a really annoying white guy who thinks he's incredibly good looking

00:47:29.440 Gavin Newsom. Uh, I mean, I put this centrally on his shoulders. I don't know what that is. I seem to

00:47:35.880 be blaming people for their competence level, not their skin color, which is the way you're supposed to

00:47:41.060 do it though. She does seem terrible at this job. And I, you know, part of your job in the leadership

00:47:48.300 people to URL who wanted help finding resources. She's dumb to be the mayor.

00:47:57.340 She's very, very dumb. And I will say it makes sense that she was on the short list to become

00:48:02.840 vice president under Joe Biden. I mean, California incompetence and stupidity seems to be a prerequisite

00:48:08.060 to be considered for that job. Um, and I don't know if it would have been better or worse if she

00:48:13.380 got that job. Maybe the people of Los Angeles are wishing that she did. That's, what's incredible.

00:48:18.440 Think about it. Kamala Harris was a DEI hire 100% for vice president. Karen Bass almost got the job.

00:48:24.740 She's even dumber than Kamala. That's obvious. And then you've got three fire chiefs, like the top,

00:48:30.000 the deputy and the person who's, who runs DEI at the LA fire who are apparently there because

00:48:34.480 they have vaginas and they like to share them with other women. I mean, honestly, like, I'm sorry

00:48:40.000 that I'm allowed to question your competency when it's very clear. You did not get hired because of

00:48:46.960 it. When you yourself are touting all the firsts, Corrine Jean-Pierre's another one. She's in there

00:48:52.900 touting how she's the first black lesbian, you know, she sucks too. Like stop touting these irrelevant

00:49:00.000 characteristics as reasons we're supposed to celebrate you and then try to hide behind them

00:49:05.480 when you come under criticism for your incompetence. Like obviously those questions are going to be

00:49:10.120 asked. If you are crushing the job, not so much when you are terrible at it, live by DEI, die by DEI

00:49:18.120 more on that. And Megan Markle and her ridiculous appearance in this matter, right after this break,

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00:50:26.940 description. That's home title lock.com promo code M E G Y N. A couple of points to do. So on the subject

00:50:38.060 of whether they were prepared, um, there is a report. There was a report on Friday by the daily mail

00:50:44.460 saying that there's a leaked memo revealing that Karen Bass, the mayor demanded that this fire department

00:50:51.060 from whom she'd already cut 17 million cut an extra $49 million from their budget just one week

00:50:59.200 before these wildfires. There was a leaked memo of Karen Bass's proposed cuts obtained by a fire

00:51:05.980 department whistleblower. It's dated January 6th. And in it, Bass demanded that the fire department make

00:51:13.000 an extra $49 million in budget cuts on top of the 17.6 million. She already cut, um, saying,

00:51:20.020 let's see. Uh, Oh, and then, and then, then let's see. Okay. Yeah. She says the only way to provide a

00:51:29.200 cost savings would be to close as many as 16 fire stations, not resources, but fire stations.

00:51:36.040 This equates to at least one fire station per city council district. Um, and then says openly,

00:51:43.980 they're trying to allocate more money for the homeless and they need to start taking from everyone. Uh,

00:51:50.740 it's pretty amazing. Then, uh, you've got the free beacon with a report that two months before these

00:51:56.720 blazes, the LA fire chief, this woman Crowley said she needed more firefighters that they didn't have

00:52:04.240 enough. And on November 18th, she asked them, uh, for more saying the fire department has not grown

00:52:09.880 in decades, despite significant population growth saying we are not able to meet the challenges of

00:52:16.480 this city right now. We need more firefighters. So you've got Karen Bass saying you need another

00:52:20.320 50 million cut from you. And the fire chief saying, actually, what we need is more money and more

00:52:24.580 firefighters. We're not equal to the task, uh, right now. And, um, of course that's not what happened.

00:52:32.820 Uh, and then of course you've got reports out of the Washington post saying the firefighters

00:52:36.180 were slower to respond to this blaze that I unleashed in the Palisades because it was so

00:52:42.100 widespread. They were spread too thin and they didn't have enough people. So all of that, you can

00:52:47.440 see exactly what was happening here. Um, they didn't have enough people. They, she did try to say

00:52:52.280 something about it. It wasn't listened to. And Karen Bass was not prioritizing public health. Now back to

00:52:58.800 the DEI point, here's a budded soundbite. You're going to hear the fire chief, Kristen Crowley,

00:53:04.660 her DEI head, who is a, was also a lesbian and black double bonus talking about her DEI efforts.

00:53:12.420 And we've played the soundbite before. And then the third thing on here is going to be Janice

00:53:16.240 Quinones, the woman who runs the water department, who's celebrating her commitment to DEI. Listen,

00:53:23.080 our diversity, equity inclusion bureau. Now we actually have the staff to do the work when it

00:53:28.680 comes to doing a deep dive for 18 portraits of the LA city fire department's chiefs hang along proud

00:53:35.040 tradition at a 136 year old agency. But I've also noticed that nobody ever looked like me. I'm super

00:53:41.440 inspired. She took time out of her already busy schedule to tell us about her vision for the

00:53:46.700 department's future. One that includes a three year strategic plan to increase diversity. People ask me,

00:53:52.720 what, what number are you looking for? So I'm not looking for a number. It's never enough. You

00:53:56.380 want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a

00:54:01.380 fire call that looks like you. It's been really important for the DWP to put an equity lens on

00:54:06.320 everything. Yes. Yeah. And that's the number one thing that attracted me to this role. It's important

00:54:12.580 to me that everything we do, um, it's with an equity lens and social justice, equity and social

00:54:19.820 justice. I'm sorry, Stu, but I think they should all be fired. They should all be for any time you

00:54:25.280 spent fire chief worrying about this, making sure you have the staff for DEI. And so proud that you

00:54:32.720 met a mass, the staff for that while you're short firefighters, you should be fired. You're you're

00:54:37.320 black lesbian DEI chief. That's a position that is unnecessary. And if she says, I want a firefighter

00:54:43.300 coming to rescue me, who looks like me, she is dead wrong, dead wrong. I want someone who looks like

00:54:48.940 the rock to come in and rescue me. And then the last one, DEI is her number one priority, social

00:54:55.340 justice and equity. No wonder they didn't have water. Right. That's exactly it. I mean, if you're

00:55:03.020 not, especially when you're saying it that way, it's one thing to say, okay, like, you know,

00:55:06.820 we want to make sure that we're giving everyone an equal chance. Of course, that's the appropriate

00:55:10.440 way to look at anyone who comes in for, for any job. But to say it's your number one priority

00:55:15.740 just shows that you don't care about your, your customers. If you're, if you're a business

00:55:20.500 saying that, if you're saying our number one thing is equity and diversity, well, what about

00:55:27.000 the hamburgers you're making? Shouldn't that be the number one thing? And when it comes to something

00:55:31.080 like this, which is serious, it's life and death. Your number one idea maybe should have been

00:55:35.880 how to get water to the areas that might need it in case of a fire and maybe have some backup systems

00:55:41.100 and pre-planning done to go against that. And I, you know, the fact that that is their number one

00:55:46.540 priority is terrifying. And that statement about, I find it insulting in so many ways, this idea that

00:55:52.540 when someone comes to rescue for a fire, they need to look like you. First of all, no people in

00:55:59.840 America think that. I don't know anyone. I've never met anyone in my entire life, black, white,

00:56:04.520 Asian, Hispanic, anybody who has ever thought that way, that they want their doctor to look like them

00:56:10.560 because they can't get good care if they don't look like them or a firefighter or a police officer.

00:56:15.600 That's not the way that's supposed to work. You want someone to come in and do the job

00:56:19.640 confidently. You want merit to play into the decision as to how they got that job. You don't

00:56:25.420 want skin color or genitals to be the factor there. And secondarily, the part of this that's

00:56:30.740 so crazy is when they say, hey, we want someone who looks like the residents to come, uh, to come

00:56:39.620 rescue them is implicit in that is that everyone who has a certain skin color looks alike. I got news

00:56:48.200 for you. Uh, you know, I happen to be a white guy and, uh, you know, a lot of WWE wrestlers are also

00:56:55.280 white guys. You can tell the difference between us. We don't look the same at all. Uh, it's really

00:57:00.980 kind of this insulting thing that like, well, I guess all Asians look alike. So we need to set Asians

00:57:05.780 who look like other Asians into the Asian communities is racist on a whole separate level. So this is just

00:57:12.400 like a bunch of crazy intersectional roads going into this area where all the cars just seem to

00:57:18.440 keep crashing in between. Not to mention it's like the, these three women who are at the top there

00:57:23.220 are all, I mean, honestly, I'm not trying to be mean, but they're, they're obese. These are overweight

00:57:28.060 out of shape women. And the last thing I want to see if I am in a burning building is a woman and be

00:57:34.380 an obese woman who, who takes comfort. I'm going to die, but it's, it's in the presence of an obese

00:57:40.700 lesbian. It's, this is ridiculous. That's how we, you know, that's how my dad went to in the

00:57:48.500 presence of an obese lesbian, Megan. Thank you for bringing that up. I speak for all women. I

00:57:54.140 believe I speak for all females in Los Angeles. When I say we want a strong man to rescue us.

00:58:00.920 That's what we want. Do we ask for too much? No, look, I don't know. Maybe if it's Gina Carano

00:58:06.520 coming around the corner, I'm going to be okay with it. I don't know. Maybe there's some level

00:58:10.320 I mean, she's pretty strong. She's certainly, she's one that can actually definitely lift me

00:58:16.880 over her head and throw me outside the window if I needed to be thrown out. But I mean, you're right.

00:58:20.460 It needs to be someone who can obviously competently do the role. That is overwhelmingly going to be

00:58:26.260 males. I mean, it just, it just is, especially when you think about some of the people being rescued

00:58:30.780 are big fat guys like me. So you need somebody who's really strong to be able to grab them

00:58:35.280 and carry them outside. Uh, because, uh, you know, this is just realities. It's the realities

00:58:40.620 we've been talking about forever when it comes to sports. If they are so intent on getting women

00:58:45.240 into the ranks of the fire department, why can't we get the so-called trans women? Let's get the fake

00:58:50.500 women who want to invade our sports and redirect them to the fire department. That would be a great

00:58:57.040 place for you to break barriers as a quote woman in the firefighting realm where you still have all of

00:59:04.120 your male advantage. Cause you've become a quote woman post puberty. Everybody wins.

00:59:10.440 I, you know what? Nobel peace prize to Megan Kelly for that idea. I think you've won it. I think

00:59:16.120 you've nailed it. You solved all of our problems. Thomas, we got good news and bad news. You can

00:59:21.240 no longer swim with the ladies, but you can firefight with the best of them. Um, okay. Megan and Harry,

00:59:27.120 these absolute cretins decide to inject themselves into the devastation in Los Angeles for one reason

00:59:37.380 to get their faces back on camera and to improve their image. They want people to think well of

00:59:43.260 them. So they decide what, you know what they really need us. What they need is us. And honestly,

00:59:49.940 Stu, you go there, you don't make a mention. No, you don't get caught on camera. Nobody knows what

00:59:55.260 you did, what you did that. Maybe that's one thing. Although with these two now, but no,

00:59:59.340 they made sure that they got on camera. They made sure that their names got in the press.

01:00:03.580 And that's, that was the name of the game. First of all, I got one other thing. When you're actually

01:00:09.300 a member of the Royal family, Harry and the British population, like answers to you, sort of,

01:00:14.820 they're your subjects. Maybe they do need to see you during times of tragedy. You're in America now

01:00:19.720 and we don't give a shit about you. You're not our fucking prince. You'll never be King. We hate

01:00:25.440 your wife. Stay at home in your $29 million mansion. All right, stop getting off on the trauma

01:00:34.020 porn of real suffering in Los Angeles. It's ridiculous. It's offensive. And don't take my

01:00:42.740 word for it. Go and follow the X feed of our friend, Justine Bateman, who just went off on these,

01:00:48.380 what did she call them? Disaster opportunists, which is exactly right. Disaster tourists.

01:00:55.920 I'm going to have to now withdraw that Nobel peace prize. I earlier offered you, uh, after

01:01:00.140 your words on a poor Megan would tell you it's noble. It's the noble peace prize. Just all the

01:01:06.180 noble prize, the noble prize, the noble prize. Um, and I, I mean, I look, you might say that she's

01:01:11.900 not sacrificing for this, Megan, but she is delaying her Netflix series for this. This is, uh, I mean,

01:01:17.960 she's really invested in really caring about this. I don't know. Maybe she does care. I do think at

01:01:23.480 the end of the day, she doesn't, the pro the priorities, the queen was her face on camera.

01:01:28.440 The queen's husband was dying and she went on Oprah and suggested one or both of them are raging

01:01:34.920 racists. She couldn't have cared less. She doesn't care about anyone other than herself. And I include

01:01:41.100 Harry in that she cares about her image. That's why she's there. That's why she's writing positive

01:01:46.200 messages on bananas to sex workers, which just happens to be on camera. If you want to help the

01:01:51.800 people of Los Angeles. And I know that millions of Americans around the country right now are doing

01:01:55.220 exactly this. You can make a donation. You can participate and go fund me's. There are all sorts

01:02:00.320 of groups that will help you. You don't have to fly there and inject yourself right in the heart of it

01:02:06.220 on camera, where, you know, you'll become the story. She did the same thing after Uvalde.

01:02:12.040 She flew down there and made sure she got on camera when kids had just died at the hands of

01:02:19.400 a shooter. This is a pattern for her. It's not about charity. It's about her image.

01:02:26.880 Yeah, I cannot disagree with one part of that. And that's sad because there's no, you know, I mean,

01:02:33.200 think of the emptiness of that life, Megan. Like if that's your job to go around and just think about

01:02:38.680 image 24 hours a day, I mean, she doesn't even have acting anymore. She's actually picked a

01:02:44.160 profession that somehow is like, uh, more conceited and more, uh, self-indulgent than acting, which is

01:02:50.860 quite the, uh, quite the trick she's been able to pull off. Very difficult to do, but you know,

01:02:56.340 she's now doing this, you know, with, with its constant focus of media attention on her in this

01:03:02.740 weird idea that she's, she's got these like mythical, uh, villains that she seems to be

01:03:08.700 fighting all the time. People trying to thwart her, uh, I don't know, rise for meteoric rise,

01:03:14.140 uh, through, uh, throughout the world. And it's like, I don't know, I don't know what she's doing.

01:03:19.420 It doesn't seem like she has, uh, her priorities straight in any way. And, you know, I mean, look,

01:03:25.620 if she could raise a bunch of money, which she could, uh, and donate it to these people,

01:03:30.400 that would be great. But I heard going down there and doing something on the ground does

01:03:34.580 absolutely nothing for anybody except get cameras on her proceeds of that Netflix deal.

01:03:38.660 Why don't she give him some huge donation from her hunt? She got 150 million from Netflix and

01:03:43.880 Spotify. And that's what led, um, Bill Simmons to call them grifters because they did nothing over

01:03:49.140 at Spotify. Now she still takes the Netflix check. You know why she can't air her special

01:03:53.220 because it's all about her Martha Stewart type reinvention in her huge mansion, even though

01:04:00.680 it's not her mansion, it's a rented mansion trying to make herself into like queen of Montecito and sell

01:04:07.880 us jams and breads and a lifestyle that she's curating. It would be a bit tone deaf for her to

01:04:15.240 release this steps from the ashes, including of her neighbors in LA, her dead neighbors in

01:04:23.220 their community. That's been absolutely leveled. People who don't have her 150 million. She can't

01:04:28.640 release it. And Netflix, you release it now at your own peril. That thing needs to wait a year

01:04:33.740 minimum before it hits the airwaves. Otherwise you'll have people like me all over you for being

01:04:39.560 disgustingly insensitive. All right, we have to move on because there's a couple of things we have

01:04:42.620 to hit. So tomorrow we have the Pete Hegseth. Oh yeah. That's, that's. Can you imagine that? I

01:04:48.700 would give anything to see her just literally everybody in the world. Tell her that she was

01:04:53.580 going on another show and then she walks in and this, the interview starts any amount of money

01:04:57.740 for that to happen. Please make it happen somehow. Okay. Um, you know what? We could do a pay-per-view

01:05:04.500 and we could donate the proceeds to those suffering in LA. She should totally do it. It would raise

01:05:09.400 tens and tens of millions. Um, Pete Hegseth, the hearing begins tomorrow at nine 30. And the news

01:05:18.940 headline is that the top Democrats are a whining that they have not received the FBI report on Pete,

01:05:27.280 which they historically don't receive. Historically, this is only provided to the chairman of the

01:05:32.440 committee, Senate armed services who got it along with the ranking member, the top dem who got it.

01:05:37.600 They don't get to keep it, but they get briefed on it. But all these lower losers are like,

01:05:42.420 why don't we have it? Because you're not the chair and you're not the ranking member. Sorry.

01:05:46.220 Go talk to the ranking member. If you want to know what was in it. And you've got, uh, Dick Blumenthal,

01:05:51.860 who's from my now adopted home state Connecticut saying there is damning information that won't even

01:05:58.480 be in the FBI report. This is from the New York times. He says, um, okay, Democrats on the committee

01:06:04.040 believe that there are additional allegations that should appear in the pages of the FBI background

01:06:09.200 check to inform their questioning. That belief is based in part on information they have gleaned

01:06:13.960 from individuals who have quietly approached Senate offices to divulge info about Mr. Hegseth. Quote,

01:06:20.880 damning is an understatement, said Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut,

01:06:25.920 referring to additional info about Mr. Hegseth that he has been made aware of that in his estimation

01:06:31.700 ought to appear in that FBI report. It was not clear what information he was referring to.

01:06:36.860 So he's trying to generate a bunch of negative headlines about Pete. And I guess has some sort

01:06:42.020 of big surprise potentially for Pete tomorrow based on some rando who came to him and somehow not the FBI.

01:06:48.940 What do you make of it? I mean, this seems to be their pattern every single time, doesn't it?

01:06:53.580 They've always got some secret thing. I don't know if they got this one from fusion GPS or not.

01:06:57.520 There's always some secret revelation that's coming around the corner that's going to convince

01:07:02.000 people to not go for someone related to typically Donald Trump. I mean, that's usually where this

01:07:07.720 ends up. I mean, I've heard and I heard your show several weeks ago when you were going through

01:07:13.080 the stuff that's gone on in Pete Hegseth's personal life. And you talked to him, I know,

01:07:18.140 at length about it. And he has had his issues there. I think they're going to try to dredge all

01:07:24.520 that stuff up and they're going to try to bring it into, you know, try to go even further on that

01:07:29.840 front. They're going to, you know, I'm sure they can come up with their nameless accusers.

01:07:35.260 This has been something that is a, it's worn well for the Democrats over the years. I don't think it

01:07:40.520 works with the American people anymore. And part of the reason I think it doesn't work

01:07:44.880 is because of what we were just talking about when it comes to DEI and the way that this stuff plays

01:07:51.640 out. For so long, the left has done and worked really, really hard to take the idea of merit

01:07:59.520 out of the process of hiring someone. And is Pete Hegseth the best man for the job? Well, I mean,

01:08:04.440 that's something that they can determine in these hearings and try to come up with it. Donald Trump

01:08:08.300 thinks he is. He won the election. He should have within certain guidelines the rights to pick who he

01:08:14.220 wants, but like coming to this and trying to pick apart, not his ability to do this job,

01:08:19.980 but his actions taken with a particular girlfriend. Um, if it's not a crime and, and, and that's a

01:08:25.760 totally different line to me. Um, if that is of course, uh, true, or there's evidence of that,

01:08:30.900 that is a, that is a different line. But if what, if, if this comes down to what it usually is,

01:08:36.040 which is some, uh, you know, uh, you know, uh, faceless person, uh, saying something that he did that

01:08:42.800 was wrong, but they can kind of try to manipulate into making him look like the worst person on

01:08:47.900 earth, uh, just to make sure that Donald Trump doesn't get who he wants because they want to

01:08:52.420 delay him. They want to delay his agenda. They want to push it down the line because they look

01:08:57.020 at this timeline, I think in a, uh, uh, somewhat devious, but rational way, which is you've got

01:09:02.600 four years as president, two years into it, you've got an election, which means those last two years

01:09:06.800 may be very difficult to get anything done. That second year of the four year term is an election year.

01:09:12.620 And a lot of these wormy Republicans who are in purple districts are not going to want to do

01:09:16.320 much of anything. So you've got one year to kill here. And the longer you can draw out things like

01:09:21.060 Pete Hegseth and who knows who else, I'm sure many of his other nominees, they'll do the same thing

01:09:26.000 too. The longer you can draw that out, the shorter the window is for him to actually get anything done.

01:09:31.260 And what they want to do is slam the brakes on all the things that he's doing to undo the terror

01:09:36.260 they've unleashed on the American people over the past four years. So I think they'll go to any

01:09:41.160 lengths. We saw this with Brett Kavanaugh. They will go to any length to destroy.

01:09:45.100 Okay. So that, that raises an interesting question, which is, do the Democrats trot out

01:09:50.040 that alleged rape accuser who, who complained that he allegedly raped her, uh, back in 2017,

01:09:58.380 which led to no charges because the local authorities were not satisfied.

01:10:02.820 There was actually a case there. So do they trot her out Christine Blasey Ford style tomorrow

01:10:09.700 to kick things off with a bang? It's it's, I, I certainly believe they want to. The question

01:10:17.180 is of course, I mean, she, cause she did come up with, they did settle that case, right? So

01:10:21.440 theoretically she shouldn't come out at least if she's standing by that agreement, we all know how

01:10:26.860 that stuff works. No, but he said she can, he said, go ahead. So go ahead. Yep. But she hasn't

01:10:33.920 come out and she hasn't come out. I mean, look, I, I, I, I imagine that this is the type of thing

01:10:39.200 she doesn't necessarily want to revisit publicly. Uh, you went through the details of it and we

01:10:45.280 weren't there and leak the memo to the Trump transition team, her friend, there is no friend

01:10:50.540 on earth who would leak a memo to the Trump transition team that you had allegedly been raped by

01:10:54.980 his DOD nominee without your permission. That to me, there's just, it's very clear. This woman

01:10:59.640 greenlit this report probably again, because of the husband who is very dug in on the, he raped her

01:11:05.960 narrative, which is much better for him than my wife slept with Pete Hegseth down the hall while I

01:11:10.360 was asleep in our hotel room with our two minor children. Um, but I don't know so far the woman,

01:11:16.760 you know, she, she made a splash or somebody on her behalf made a splash with the, with the Trump

01:11:21.400 transition team saying, here's a memo, read this. But since then nothing, and they've been threatened

01:11:27.780 by Pete's lawyers. Defamation is still a thing. Like you come out and repeat these defamatory

01:11:33.380 allegations. We're ready. So we'll see. I mean, there's a lot at stake tomorrow and that'll be

01:11:39.140 the big question for, for me. Did, did the Democrats actually put her on? And does this woman have the

01:11:43.660 nerve to say publicly what she said behind closed doors? Yeah. If I remember right too, with,

01:11:49.300 with Blasey Ford, there was a period where we didn't know who she was and we, and then we've

01:11:53.560 eventually got her name and then, but didn't expect her to speak publicly. And then it kept

01:11:58.900 escalating and Democrats kept calling it out. And then there was sort of a splashy announcement of

01:12:03.540 her coming to, to testify, uh, on this situation. So I would not be surprised if they follow that same

01:12:10.160 playbook. You know, I just don't know if it works anymore. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm being

01:12:16.680 overly optimistic here, but I do feel like people are starting to look at this stuff in a, from a

01:12:22.640 different lens of the believe all women standard that never made any sense. And I heard that primarily

01:12:29.240 from women who know other women and know you should not believe all women. Um, everyone knows somebody

01:12:35.540 who, who's lied, whether they're man or a woman, women are human beings. They lie, they exaggerate,

01:12:41.940 they tell stories that sound good to their husbands when the other story doesn't sound very good to their

01:12:46.400 husband. I don't know if that's the case. I wasn't there, but reading the materials, uh, looking at all

01:12:51.940 of them, seeing the evidence that we do have, I have a really strong lean to that did not go down in the

01:12:58.560 way that it was, uh, that the accusation sounded at the beginning of it. And at the end of the day, who wants

01:13:04.880 to be questioned about that stuff? Who wants to be questioned on every little detail? I would not be surprised

01:13:09.260 that they're trying to get her to come out, but I mean, the fact that she hasn't already,

01:13:12.880 especially if she's lying, if you're lying, the last thing you want to do is go testify before

01:13:17.160 Congress and lie under oath and in a way that would be defamatory and you could get sued like my God,

01:13:24.120 um, it'd be hard enough to do if it were true. And if it's a lie and you're under pressure simply

01:13:28.240 from your husband, this is a supposition even harder. So we'll see how far the Democrats do,

01:13:34.000 you know, bring this tomorrow and what witnesses they are prepared to unleash. Uh, we will have

01:13:39.520 full coverage of all of that rest assured. And then we have to see what happens with Pam Bondi too,

01:13:44.080 because while we have every assumption she'll get through relatively easily, there, there are many

01:13:50.220 on the left who are saber rattling now because she defended some of Trump's election claims and

01:13:56.580 they're like, we can't have an election denier as the attorney general. So it's not going to be all

01:14:01.820 that pleasant for her either. And it'll be fascinating to watch just how hard they go.

01:14:06.020 Stuber gear. A pleasure, my friend. Thanks for being here.

01:14:09.100 Thanks so much for having me. It was great.

01:14:11.220 All right. Uh, coming up next, we've got Ilya Shapiro. You remember Ilya who got completely

01:14:15.540 screwed over by Georgetown law. Remember, because he sent out that tweet about so-called lesser black

01:14:20.500 woman when he was saying the obvious best choice for the U S Supreme court, it was some Indian jurist who

01:14:25.700 he was backing. And he was saying instead, cause Biden has said, we're going to get a black woman,

01:14:29.580 no matter what, that he thought it would be a lesser than because he thought the best person

01:14:34.320 was this Indian guy. In any event, they ruined his career as a result of that tweet, ruined it.

01:14:40.040 And now he's out with a book, which is written like the Washington examiner examiner says it reads

01:14:46.520 like a thriller. And it's true. Like I do kind of believe having been through something similar

01:14:51.500 only when you've been subjected to the most disgusting canceled culture mob, do you find like

01:14:57.920 the fierce power to really put their terrible behavior in perspective? And Ilya does just that

01:15:03.620 and shines a light on what's happening at our law schools with the out of control DEI. I mean,

01:15:12.320 they, these law schools, they would love what that fire chief said and what her third in command said

01:15:18.000 and what that Janice Quinone said. And all those law students are what we call future lawyers and future

01:15:25.820 judges and God forbid, even future Supreme court justices. We take a look underneath that curtain

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01:16:23.920 Back in 2022, we told you the story of how Ilya Shapiro, very respected lawyer and public commentator,

01:16:42.120 was about to start a new prestigious job as the executive director of the Georgetown Center for

01:16:47.660 the Constitution. That was before a woke mob demanded he lose the job before he even began it.

01:16:55.000 He was immediately suspended and Georgetown conducted a four-month investigation into a single

01:17:00.940 tweet, the one that I just referenced. The university lifted the suspension on the technicality

01:17:08.100 that Ilya was not yet an employee at Georgetown when he posted. And Ilya joined us on this show

01:17:15.360 in June of 2022 to discuss the emotional toll of the whole ordeal.

01:17:21.520 I felt sick to my stomach. And especially come around noontime when the dean issued his statement,

01:17:29.000 I thought, okay, I'm going to get fired. I was transitioning jobs from Cato to Georgetown.

01:17:34.060 How can I provide for my family? I have two little boys who are four and six. This is horrific. I've

01:17:40.940 blown up my life. It was honestly, Megan, probably the second worst day of my life. The worst being

01:17:48.360 when my mom passed when I was in college. Oh, these disgusting people. But that was not the end of the

01:17:53.280 story. Just days later, Ilya resigned, saying the atmosphere at Georgetown made it untenable for him

01:17:59.660 to do his job, even though they were like, we'll see. We'll kind of tolerate you. Under strict

01:18:05.500 conditions, he can start here. Well, he is back here today stronger than ever. He has a new job

01:18:11.580 as the director of constitutional studies at the Manhattan Institute, which we love. Read City

01:18:16.560 Journal. It is the best publication. And he's out this week with a new book called Lawless,

01:18:22.260 The Miseducation of America's Elites. Oh, it's like shoot it into my veins. It's about the illiberal

01:18:29.480 takeover of American law schools and its dire consequences on free speech, civil discourse,

01:18:35.400 and much, much more. Ilya, welcome back and thank you for writing this.

01:18:39.720 Great to be back, Megan. And of course, you played that clip. You were a central part of the

01:18:44.640 denouement of that whole saga. And I'm glad to be back stronger. As you said, they tried to cancel me.

01:18:51.140 They tried to ruin my career. And I turned it around on them. And, you know, I thought I knew

01:18:56.600 what I was getting into. And I thought I knew about the problems in higher ed and law school

01:19:01.080 specifically. But looking at this stuff, using my so-called lived experience as a jumping off point,

01:19:07.300 you can see the failures in ideology, bureaucracy and leadership. We're not in a good state.

01:19:15.140 I just want to show people the amount of hysterics over your one tweet, which you wound up saying,

01:19:20.800 okay, it was poorly worded, but the principle stands. We should not be choosing Supreme Court

01:19:25.580 justices based on their lady parts and their skin color. And this led to such affected upset

01:19:35.060 at Georgetown Law School and elsewhere. But I mean, it was truly performative. And these are the two

01:19:40.620 clips that I asked my team for because I remember them. First, the students who are protesting you,

01:19:45.720 in quotes, wanted reparations because they, they, they missed lunch. I think it was here.

01:19:52.480 It is top 37.

01:19:53.480 In terms of coming back to the reparation things, because like this is, this is great,

01:19:58.320 but we have to do so much work to catch up for all this stuff that we missed. All I'm saying is,

01:20:02.820 I don't know if it's a couple of dinners or lunches, but that would help us because we like,

01:20:10.100 we can't, I can't go home for lunch now because I need to study. I have to, I have to make up for

01:20:14.180 this class that I lost. So it's little things like that. It doesn't have to be something that takes

01:20:18.320 a year to figure out. It's like, we know our black students or whatever group is hurting,

01:20:23.400 and we're going to give them things today, whether it's snacks, whether it's counseling,

01:20:27.040 whether it's whatever. But the part of that trust is to see an immediate reaction to what we are

01:20:31.920 saying. But food will be great. We have food on the way. She wants reparations in the form of free

01:20:40.880 food. And crying rooms, Megan. Wait, we have that. That's the second one. Saw 38.

01:20:48.320 Really, really hard to walk out of class or eating in tears. And you should always have a place on

01:20:56.140 campus where you can go and feel like you're not then also under people's eyes and observation.

01:21:02.140 Maybe you don't want to answer a question of what's going on or what's wrong. And if you're finding

01:21:07.220 that you're not getting the person you want to talk to or not getting the space that you need,

01:21:12.700 reach out to me anytime, anytime. So we will find you space.

01:21:18.920 So you've got to call the dean to say, I need to cry. I can't have anybody looking at me.

01:21:24.840 And he will find you space as opposed to educating law students.

01:21:28.260 And you saw the masks, by the way. This is 2022. This whole investigation, so-called,

01:21:33.980 was conducted via Zoom because if we had, if I'd, I never even had talked to the dean since in person,

01:21:40.480 because if we had gotten together, we would have had to all been masked, given the COVID hysteria,

01:21:45.280 which I talk a little bit about in the book as a symptom of the failed leadership. And Megan,

01:21:50.280 look, these deans, you saw two of them there in those clips, they're generally not woke radicals.

01:21:56.560 They're generally not social justice warriors. They're spineless cowards. They're bureaucrats who

01:22:02.080 try to climb the greasy pole. And that means placating this illiberal mob. It's a kind of a cascade of

01:22:10.980 failures in higher education. It's called Lawless, The Miseducation of America's Elites

01:22:16.840 by Ilya Shapiro. You can get it right now. It's on sale officially beginning January 14th,

01:22:21.900 but let's support Ilya and get it, get the advance, because that helps drive up his numbers. And we

01:22:26.320 want to force him onto the New York Times bestseller list. That'll really get their goat.

01:22:30.160 So you start digging into, geez, maybe it's not just Georgetown Law School that's lost its ever

01:22:36.120 loving mind. Perhaps this is a real problem because it wasn't just at Georgetown. We've seen this

01:22:40.900 terrible behavior. Who could forget this one? This is SOT 39. And I remind the audience,

01:22:47.600 we covered this. This is out at Stanford Law School, where the associate dean for DEI tried lecturing

01:22:54.860 Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Kyle Duncan back in March of 2023, just to give you a flavor

01:23:00.520 for how widespread the craziness is that Ilya started to dig into. Watch this, SOT 39.

01:23:06.600 I'm uncomfortable because this event is tearing at the fabric of this community that I care about,

01:23:12.140 and I'm here to support. And I don't know, and I have to ask myself, and I'm not a cynic to ask this,

01:23:17.740 is the juice worth the squeeze? Is this worth it? It is an aesthetic. But for many people in this

01:23:25.680 law school who work here, who study here, and who live here, your advocacy, your opinions from the

01:23:32.580 bench land as absolute disenfranchisement of their rights, it does land. Let me hear you.

01:23:39.100 They're snapping. If you're snapping, you're out. I'm not hiring anybody who snaps as applause.

01:23:48.400 And they're thrilled because he's a Fifth Circuit, which is a more conservative

01:23:51.100 bench. And he was a Trump appointee, so he's not allowed to speak at Stanford.

01:23:56.020 And that's why she's saying is the juice worth the squeeze, because you've written opinions to

01:24:01.200 which we object, Ilya. But you found this is not just a Stanford or Georgetown problem.

01:24:05.680 Or Yale or a couple of other. I mean, it's a particularly dangerous thing at the so-called

01:24:10.840 elite schools who turn out the next generation leaders and who give each other prizes for these

01:24:16.060 sorts of things. But universally, it's a lot of things going on that don't necessarily make the

01:24:22.420 national news. It's not just shout downs of a federal judge or me. This happened to me at a

01:24:26.480 different school, also in the Bay Area, what used to be called UC Hastings until they renamed it,

01:24:30.980 because it turns out Mr. Hastings did some politically incorrect things. Just the culture

01:24:37.280 of silence and of self-censorship and of teaching that avoids taking serious legal theories seriously.

01:24:47.340 Originalism, say, the idea that the Constitution should be interpreted based on the original public

01:24:53.220 meaning of its words, which a majority of the Supreme Court, about half the federal judiciary

01:24:57.660 uses just to do their basic job. They don't have to agree with it. They should teach it.

01:25:03.920 And at best, you have kind of snide remarks about how it's inappropriate and why would anyone think

01:25:10.300 this way? We have broken systems of education that's really more activism on the teaching and

01:25:16.560 the faculty front, but also on the bureaucratic front. So we have now in most places, including law

01:25:22.540 schools, more non-teaching staff than faculty. I don't know what all of these bureaucrats are doing.

01:25:28.020 Well, actually, I do. They're orientating and training and imbuing a culture where, well, there's no such

01:25:34.620 thing as objective truth and one's rights and freedoms depend on where you are in some sort of

01:25:39.600 privilege hierarchy or intersectional matrix. All this mumbo jumbo that is directly contrary to the

01:25:46.940 structure of the law. They're basically saying, you students in law school, what you're learning,

01:25:51.720 all of these systems and structures, institutions are illegitimate. You need to question them and turn

01:25:56.880 them down. I mean, this is a huge disservice to our nation. We are seeing DEI crumble minute to minute.

01:26:04.500 You had Mark Zuckerberg last week saying it's done at Meta. No more DEI at Facebook. You have all these

01:26:11.840 big companies like Caterpillar and Walmart, very well-known companies, thanks in large part to the work of

01:26:16.920 Robbie Starbuck, who's been serially embarrassing them all by threatening to just make it public what

01:26:21.000 they're doing, starting to run and abandon DEI. You had a very interesting legal case just last week.

01:26:29.120 It was U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor in Fort Worth, Texas, who ruled on Friday that American

01:26:35.660 Airlines violated its legal responsibilities in managing employees' retirement assets by encouraging

01:26:42.920 environmentally and socially responsible investing in its 401k plan. This has been happening more and

01:26:50.960 more where these companies try to bend the knee to so-called ESG, which is another form of DEI,

01:26:56.600 and say, we're only going to use BlackRock to do our investments. And BlackRock prioritizes

01:27:01.840 companies that'll get little pats on the back from the DEI crowd instead of prioritizing making money.

01:27:07.680 And now we have a federal district court ruling saying, you violated the law. You have a legal

01:27:12.080 responsibility to these retirees to make money, not to make yourselves feel like so-called good

01:27:17.360 people. My point is, it's starting to crumble, Ilya, but not at the law schools.

01:27:22.900 Right. I'm optimistic, cautiously optimistic in society writ large, like Brett Kavanaugh. I live on the

01:27:29.560 sunrise side of the mountain as kind of normal people realize these excesses and what's going on. And

01:27:36.000 there are market forces after all in the corporate world. But in academia, it's different. And the

01:27:41.320 left hand doesn't know what the far left hand is doing. There are, you know, 0.05% non-progressive

01:27:47.600 professors. That's why I was so threatening that I was going to be joining the Georgetown faculty.

01:27:51.640 I would have increased the number of non-progressives from two to three out of, you know, 150.

01:27:57.760 And that's why we need external forces, exogenous shocks, employers, state legislatures,

01:28:04.340 abolishing these bureaucracies in state schools, trustees and donors, as we've seen since October

01:28:11.140 7th in the disastrous testimony of the university presidents, putting pressure on these schools,

01:28:17.680 saying, look, you're going to get, you are getting big black eyes for your handling of these things,

01:28:22.220 for not enforcing your own rules. Because I tell you what, Megan, this is not rocket science.

01:28:27.860 We don't need, higher education institutions don't need to go out and theorize a whole new way of how

01:28:34.000 to deal with disruption or what is the meaning of free speech or how to promote open inquiry,

01:28:39.960 civil discourse that, you know, this is all established. It's a failure of will. It's a

01:28:45.160 failure of not, not enforcing your own policies. So we're very much in the eye of the storm with

01:28:51.820 respect to higher ed generally and law schools specifically. And it goes even to the accreditor.

01:28:58.200 There's a monopoly on law school accreditation by the American Bar Association, which I hope is

01:29:03.200 something that the Trump Department of Education changes. But the ABA puts in all sorts of nefarious

01:29:11.120 rules that even those deans that want to reform find it hard to do so sometimes. So a lot of

01:29:18.440 challenges there. And regardless of the green shoots and the pushback that we're seeing in society writ

01:29:23.820 large, which we have to keep going, even if we've passed peak woke, we can't keep our foot,

01:29:28.420 take our foot off the gas. But in educational institutions and especially in law schools or

01:29:34.280 medical schools where these things are a life and literally a life and death situation, you know,

01:29:39.820 we need to pursue all of the above kind of strategies.

01:29:43.740 Again, the book is called Lawless by Ilya, I-L-Y-A Shapiro. Get it now. The law school thing,

01:29:51.820 is there any chance what's going to happen there? And what is happening is what we've seen even at

01:29:57.580 the far left schools in places like New York City. You know, I've talked, told the audience before I

01:30:02.060 have, I have a friend, she was committed to the left. She canvassed for Joe Biden back in 2020,

01:30:07.280 her kids lefties. And now, especially her son, who's at one of these snooty private schools

01:30:13.800 in New York City has completely been red pilled. He is a hundred percent Trump. He's pro MAGA. He's got the

01:30:20.620 hat because they pushed him too far. These kids, they want to rebel against the machine. And when

01:30:28.360 the whole machine is like, you will be woke and you will prioritize skin color and gender and sexual

01:30:34.460 preference. At some point, the mob underneath moves the other way to say, we won't.

01:30:42.780 Well, that's seemingly what happened in the presidential election. You know,

01:30:46.920 Americans across the board of every demographic woke up, if you will, from the woke and said,

01:30:53.880 this is, this is just too much. It doesn't make sense. And so there is some hope and there's

01:30:57.600 certainly hope that the students coming in reject some of the mumbo jumbo that they're being taught.

01:31:03.140 But, but again, you know, part of the problem is admissions officers. If you write, you know,

01:31:06.700 it's not just DEI officials or the head, the head dean. If you write in your application that you

01:31:11.920 want to change the world and revolutionize structures and change injustice and what have

01:31:17.900 you, there's going to be a thumb on the scale for you rather than if you say, well, I want to go into

01:31:22.160 corporate antitrust to make things better for the American consumer, have our markets run more

01:31:26.820 efficiently, or I want to be a prosecutor to go after child molesters or something like this.

01:31:31.160 So there is a lot of, there are a lot of pathologies in higher ed, in law schools. And as Bill

01:31:37.360 Ackman wrote presciently, the same day this essay came out that Claudine Gay resigned the presidency

01:31:43.180 of Harvard, antisemitism, that spur of antisemitism that we've seen is, is, is based in our more,

01:31:49.760 most progressive educated places. That is the canary in the coal mine, the, the tip of the iceberg

01:31:55.700 that reveals so many pathologies underneath the, the academic corruption, the moral relativism,

01:32:02.560 the failures of leadership. Um, uh, this is a, I mean, uh, I wrote my book to show that it's not

01:32:09.240 just, it's not just about me, you know, the, the thriller part of my story, which by the way,

01:32:13.520 I also published for the first time ever anywhere, the actual full report of the DEI office that

01:32:19.100 investigated me. It is just amazing. That's one of the appendix of the book, but, uh, the, the,

01:32:24.400 the moral rot in general, uh, I've been using this opportunity starting with when I went on your show

01:32:29.900 in, in, in June of 2022 to expose, uh, all of this stuff and make people aware. And so I don't know

01:32:37.140 where this ends. Uh, we have the university of Austin, for example, as a, as an alternative

01:32:41.680 institution just born their first cohort. I'll be speaking there later this month. They don't have

01:32:45.900 a law school, uh, but there's centers and institutes starting up in various institutions

01:32:50.880 across the country to teach excellence and rigor and civics, all of these things that DEI trainers

01:32:56.320 consider to be white supremacist tropes. And, uh, and even deans at, at Yale, for example, I, I, uh,

01:33:02.760 uh, tally a lot of Yale's missteps, Yale laws missteps, Heather Gerkin, the Dean there wants to be

01:33:07.900 president of one of the Ivy league institutions. And she recognizes that what's gone on is, is not good.

01:33:13.280 And so she went out and hired scholars, including a former Alito clerk to kind of right the ship, uh,

01:33:19.400 a little bit. So we are seeing some progress, but we need to keep pushing, uh, and, uh, you know,

01:33:25.340 not accepting, uh, the, this, this, this rot, this degradation, this illiberalism, uh, in, uh,

01:33:32.980 in, in law schools and beyond. My advice to any law school student or a college student for that

01:33:39.720 matter, who is under threat of being downgraded, unless they say the left wing things they're being

01:33:46.480 asked to say is don't do it right. What's true. What's real, what you really feel, even if it's non-woke

01:33:54.660 and then when you get the bad grade, you save it like a merit badge. And when you go out to

01:34:01.160 interview for a real job and you will have done your research on who's far left and who's normal,

01:34:05.480 you show it to them. You show them why you got a D in con law, the first D of your career,

01:34:11.440 because you were a straight A student in everything else prior to that moment, because you wrote that

01:34:17.320 wokeism is ruining America and is pernicious in particular in advanced degrees like law and medicine.

01:34:24.260 Write that. And then you should work for the employer who celebrates your D with you like me

01:34:30.880 or like Ilya people that were out there. We're half the country. I'm hiring. Absolutely. Young

01:34:35.860 lawyers want to come work for the Manhattan Institute. Send your resume. Truly. And then,

01:34:40.300 but just more and more, you look at the numbers, look at the people who put Trump in office.

01:34:43.600 They've rejected this wholesale. You're not alone. You just have to find the right employer

01:34:47.760 and get through these far left institutions who try to ruin you and make you say what they want you

01:34:53.940 to say, make you feel what they want you to feel before you can have access to the employers who

01:34:59.020 feel very differently. Here's what Peter Thiel said on the Honestly podcast in November about

01:35:05.680 these far left universities. Kind of interesting. Listen here, 40.

01:35:09.700 They are no longer good places to learn how to defend liberalism. Maybe they're good places for

01:35:15.360 training conservatives. If you go to Yale Law School, if you're one of five people in the class

01:35:22.720 of 170 who's still conservative at the end, you'll be pretty good at understanding what's wrong with

01:35:27.560 liberalism. You'll have thought about it a lot and you'll be a more thoughtful person. And so it will

01:35:31.900 actually train you well to be a conservative. And we're right to value the small number of conservatives

01:35:38.840 come out of that gauntlet as quite talented people. How about that, Ilya? It's like going from sea level

01:35:46.060 up to the Rockies to do your aerobic training. Then you come back down to fight the fights at sea

01:35:50.760 level. Conservatives and libertarians get great training. They are exposed to lots of ideas. They

01:35:56.140 know how to see every different argument. And this is one of the ironies. These law schools are doing a

01:36:03.200 disservice to their progressive students by not teaching them what the argument is from the other

01:36:08.480 side. And then they go into federal court and they don't know what to do. They don't know how to argue

01:36:13.020 a particular judge. They're looking for their cry rooms. Yeah, right. Sidebar, Your Honor, I need to cry for a

01:36:18.780 moment. Yeah. The judge will be like, I'll make you cry. Great. You want to cry? No problem. You came to

01:36:23.980 the right place. Somebody's got screamed at by more than her share. It's like, that's life. That's law.

01:36:29.260 Well, they're graduating students who aren't qualified to do much of anything other than to

01:36:34.440 be HR officials or DEI deans or what have you. I hope that some institutions seize on the market

01:36:43.540 opportunity that's created. And I think some are. For example, University of Chicago, University of

01:36:47.900 Virginia are generally better. They're law schools on these metrics than Yale and Stanford, for example.

01:36:53.880 Uh, or, you know, Georgetown is particularly bad. Harvard, uh, well, Harvard is an institution

01:36:59.240 writ large fire. The foundation for individual rights and expression, uh, recently gave them a

01:37:04.160 zero for the second consecutive year for their free speech. But, but anyway, there are gradations.

01:37:09.100 And so a talented entrepreneurial Dean or other educational leader who doesn't have to be

01:37:14.680 conservative or mega or anything else, but just doing their job, trying to attract higher quality

01:37:19.420 faculty and students and donors, uh, just by not being crazy can capitalize, uh, in this moment. And

01:37:25.960 we see bits of that here and there. Again, the book is called lawless, the miseducation of America's

01:37:32.780 elites by Ilya Shapiro. I got to ask you this, Ilya. So, um, there's a couple of things in the news that

01:37:38.760 I'm going to take advantage of your expertise to, to talk about. It just came out that, um, the Jack

01:37:43.700 Smith report, even though Jack Smith has now officially resigned his position as special prosecutor

01:37:47.660 is going to come out, uh, about Trump that even judge Aileen Cannon down there in Florida has

01:37:53.060 cleared the way for a piece of it to come out. Trump thinks this is nonsense. He's like the guy

01:37:57.320 was never properly appointed. The court ruled that judge Aileen Cannon ruled that. So why should

01:38:01.780 people have access to this? Do you think that makes any sense? Um, judge Cannon, uh, generally has

01:38:09.080 been, had a thoughtful approach to, to the litigation. So if she sees that it's justified to release

01:38:15.200 parts of it, um, uh, you know, I haven't started to study the legal issues as, as closely as she has,

01:38:20.460 I'm sure she, uh, has some reason to do so. Uh, but more broadly, I do hope that the incoming

01:38:26.200 administration, the justice department looks at all the lawfare that has been thrown at

01:38:30.740 president Trump and anyone who supported him, uh, and investigates the causes of that. That doesn't

01:38:35.380 mean doing exactly the same thing, uh, at the other side, but it does mean looking at whether

01:38:41.040 members of the deep state have, uh, violated their oaths of office in leaking things or working,

01:38:46.460 uh, counter productively to orders that they've received, things like that, because we have a

01:38:51.480 clear breakdown, an institutional breakdown that has led to the public eventually not trusting any

01:38:57.260 institutions writ large, which is not good for the country. So whether it's with the Jack Smith

01:39:01.400 investigation or anything else, I hope there is an odd dedicated office in the justice department

01:39:06.520 that looks at this use of lawfare. Um, my hope is that we get our hands on the Jack Smith internal

01:39:13.640 memos, but my belief is that they've all been burned. They will, there will be no record of

01:39:18.580 them when team Trump takes over. Ilya Shapiro, thank you for being here again. The book is lawless,

01:39:23.480 the miseducation of America's elites. We're back tomorrow with full coverage of what they do to

01:39:29.980 Pete Hegseth. Don't miss this show.

01:39:31.960 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 13, 2025

Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro ｜ Ep. 981

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