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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.800 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our new normal.

00:00:47.140 So much news overnight to bring you.

00:00:49.940 We begin with the single biggest issue of the Trump 2024 campaign,

00:00:53.900 the promises on which he's making good by the day, securing the U.S. southern border

00:00:59.180 and fixing our broken immigration system.

00:01:02.000 In just the first week of Trump's presidency, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested

00:01:05.940 more than 3,500 illegal immigrants.

00:01:09.220 ICE has conducted operations in multiple states across the country with a focus

00:01:12.680 on national security and public safety threats.

00:01:16.200 It is incredible to see our brave law enforcement officers taking action to make our country safe again.

00:01:23.080 And joining me now for the first time, the man behind the entire operation,

00:01:28.600 President Trump's border czar, Tom Homan.

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00:02:30.940 Tom, welcome to the show.

00:02:32.420 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:02:33.420 I'm a big fan.

00:02:34.640 I've been following you.

00:02:36.180 You're a stone-cold patriot, so I'm happy to be here today.

00:02:40.120 That means a lot coming from you, Tom.

00:02:41.960 I'm a huge fan of yours as well.

00:02:43.640 I'm almost reluctant to keep you off of what you're doing for 30 minutes, but we have to

00:02:47.740 do it because you have to keep us updated on what's happening because it's just delightful

00:02:51.840 to hear about all these bad guys finally getting swept up and kicked out.

00:02:57.320 Let me start with this.

00:02:58.460 Is that about right now, the running total?

00:03:00.900 Are we about 3,500?

00:03:02.520 Are we up to 5,000 now?

00:03:03.860 Where are we?

00:03:04.960 No, I think we're beyond 4,000 as of today, but I don't have the exact numbers with me.

00:03:09.680 But look, you said it right.

00:03:11.440 We're operating throughout the country, concentrating on exactly what you said, public safety threats

00:03:17.560 and national security threats.

00:03:19.400 And there's some collateral arrests, but that's what you got to expect in sanctuary cities.

00:03:23.440 We can't arrest a bad guy in the jail.

00:03:24.920 We got to go to the neighborhood and find him.

00:03:26.840 If he's with others, others that may not be a criminal priority, but they're in the country

00:03:30.280 legally, they're coming too.

00:03:31.820 So we've arrested a lot of bad guys.

00:03:34.340 A lot of public safety threats are taken off the streets.

00:03:36.920 So Chicago, New York, Denver, they're all safer cities today because of what ICE and numerous

00:03:42.560 agencies, right?

00:03:43.340 We got DEA, FBI, ATF, U.S. Marshals, HSI, ERO.

00:03:47.980 So a lot of these cities are safer today, but we're not done.

00:03:50.740 We're just getting started.

00:03:52.640 How do you figure out, because I know you're prioritizing right now the ones who are also

00:03:57.300 criminals on top of the illegal immigration criminal problem that they have, but they've

00:04:02.120 committed a murder, they've committed a rape, they have child pornography, something like

00:04:06.820 that.

00:04:07.260 So how do you find these guys, Tom?

00:04:09.660 I mean, was this on the table for Joe Biden's team all along, and it was just a matter of

00:04:13.880 picking up the files and going to get them?

00:04:16.940 Exactly right.

00:04:18.240 Look, ICE is really good at this.

00:04:20.260 These people don't want to be found, but there's ways to find them.

00:04:22.600 I can't speak to the specifics because the law enforcement is sensitive, but

00:04:26.660 they could have found these people last year, but the administration simply tied ICE's hands.

00:04:32.520 And first time in the history of my career, starting back in 1984, ICE had handcuffs on

00:04:37.860 them.

00:04:38.760 So President Trump, he kept his promise to American people.

00:04:41.600 We cut ICE loose day one.

00:04:43.180 Day one, we're out there, and they're able to go arrest targets.

00:04:46.060 They could have arrested the last four years, but weren't allowed to.

00:04:48.680 But we've opened that aperture, and they're out doing the job now.

00:04:51.460 Is it going to be harder or easier when you move on from the criminal-criminal phase to

00:04:58.400 the, they're just criminals because they broke our immigration laws phase, and start getting

00:05:02.600 those folks?

00:05:04.660 Actually, I think it's going to be easier.

00:05:06.220 The reason I say it's easier is because criminals, they're street smart.

00:05:09.900 They know how to hide.

00:05:10.720 They know how to play the game.

00:05:11.960 They don't have a cat-mouse game.

00:05:13.120 But as we open that aperture up, as we look for the 1.4 million illegal aliens in this

00:05:18.740 country who had due process at grace, taxpayer expense, they've been ordered removed by a

00:05:22.860 federal judge, but simply didn't leave, they're not as street savvy as the criminals are.

00:05:29.260 So I think the arrest will increase as the aperture widens.

00:05:34.120 But again, we want to take every public safety threat, every gang member off the streets.

00:05:38.260 So we're really concentrating on that right now.

00:05:40.260 But the aperture will open, and the operation will expand throughout the nation.

00:05:45.400 Do we have an idea of how many are in the first group of, you know, like truly bad hombres who

00:05:51.280 you're getting who have committed other crimes?

00:05:53.660 Over 600,000 illegal aliens are walking the streets of this country with a criminal conviction.

00:05:58.820 So we have a big tranche that we need to go find.

00:06:01.560 So there's no lack of business.

00:06:03.940 And that is why President Trump's vision was all of government.

00:06:07.680 That's why we have DOD with us standing shoulder-to-shoulder soldiers on the border.

00:06:12.380 That's why we have DEA, FBI, ATF, U.S. Marshals helping on these operations throughout the cities,

00:06:17.980 because the more resources we get from the other agencies, the more teams we can create.

00:06:22.840 Each team, you only need one or two people with Immigration Enforcement Authority, Title 8

00:06:27.200 authority, to actually make the arrest legally.

00:06:30.000 The rest of them can be law enforcement officers that cover the back door,

00:06:32.700 or add officer safety, dress officer safety concerns, because it takes a whole team to

00:06:37.960 arrest somebody on their turf where they have access to who knows what weapons.

00:06:42.540 So this is exactly what we're doing.

00:06:43.920 We're not hiding it.

00:06:44.760 I mean, I've been talking about this since day one.

00:06:47.120 We're out there.

00:06:47.840 We're not going to apologize for doing it.

00:06:49.500 All the government approach, it makes sense.

00:06:51.520 Especially, I just got back in Chicago.

00:06:53.880 I actually was up there on that operation.

00:06:56.140 And it was great to see.

00:06:56.980 We find the alien with dope.

00:06:59.500 We got DEA to prosecute the case.

00:07:01.580 We found TDA members with guns.

00:07:03.420 We got ATF, prosecute the case.

00:07:05.320 And of course, ICE, they prosecuted their own immigration, rather than re-entered to deportation,

00:07:09.360 which is a felony.

00:07:10.240 But having all those resources at the table, not only are we arresting the bad guys,

00:07:14.380 we're criminally prosecuting them first, then we'll deport them.

00:07:18.280 You know what's amazing is you have such support for what you're doing right now.

00:07:22.200 You sit down with the left-wing media, and you would never know that the vast majority

00:07:26.900 of the American people are 100% behind you and what you're doing right now in particular.

00:07:31.300 The vast majority of Americans want illegals deported, period, irrespective of whether

00:07:36.300 they've committed another crime while here.

00:07:38.100 But when you ask them, how about those who actually have criminal records?

00:07:41.560 Listen to this.

00:07:42.520 New York Times-Ipsos poll, January of 2025, 87% of Americans want immigrants who have

00:07:52.100 who have committed crimes deported.

00:07:55.460 That includes 83% of Democrats, 83% AP, NORC poll, January 2025.

00:08:02.540 Do you support deporting all immigrants who are here illegally, who have been convicted

00:08:06.300 of a violent crime?

00:08:07.860 You've got 89% of Republicans, 77% of independents, 79% of Democrats favor that.

00:08:13.160 I mean, it's just a clear mandate what you're doing right now.

00:08:16.180 But what we get instead is these sanctuary cities like Chicago boo-hooing, Tom Homan's

00:08:22.420 so mean, he's sending these terrible agents into our children's schools to harass eight-year-olds,

00:08:28.440 which isn't true.

00:08:29.920 Let's just start with that.

00:08:30.820 What they've said about what you did in Chicago is a lie.

00:08:33.840 Exactly.

00:08:34.400 Look, for sanctuary cities, these politicians, I don't care what they say.

00:08:37.200 I don't care what they think of me.

00:08:38.140 I've never cared what people think of me.

00:08:39.680 I'm going to do the job.

00:08:40.580 And you can fear-monger all you want and call me all the names you want.

00:08:44.560 I'm going to get this job done for the president, who's given a mandate by the American people.

00:08:48.360 So continue the hate.

00:08:50.000 I'm okay with that.

00:08:50.800 If I get to live in their minds rent-free, that's kind of cool.

00:08:53.580 But look, the whole thing in Chicago, you've got the governor of Pritzker on social media

00:08:57.640 talking about ICE agents raiding an elementary school.

00:09:01.280 And he says, I'm putting fear in the community?

00:09:03.560 What a ridiculous statement to make.

00:09:05.620 As a governor, you think he'd make a phone call and ask on the truth on this,

00:09:09.580 because he's the one that's scaring the immigrant community.

00:09:12.460 He's the one that's scaring children and thinking we're going to raid elementary schools.

00:09:15.780 Look, I've made it clear.

00:09:16.840 We have taken a sense of location policy and flushed it down the toilet.

00:09:20.660 Why?

00:09:21.360 Because ICE is the only law enforcement agency in the nation who had these types of requirements.

00:09:26.060 We can't operate in a hospital or a school or other sense of location.

00:09:30.120 A courthouse, for God's sakes, right?

00:09:31.900 I've been in courthouses many times throughout my career,

00:09:34.780 and I watched a father getting arrested in a courthouse for not paying child support.

00:09:38.220 But you're not going to let ICE in a courthouse arrest a public safety threat

00:09:40.960 or a national security threat?

00:09:42.580 Totally ridiculous.

00:09:43.900 And as I said last night during my interview with CNN,

00:09:46.280 there is no safe harbor for a national security threat or public safety threat in this country.

00:09:52.320 If they're on a college campus, we're going to go get them.

00:09:55.080 If it's an MS-13 gang member that's sitting in a high school someplace

00:09:58.920 and he's a significant public safety threat, he's going to be arrested.

00:10:01.920 So there's no safe harbor.

00:10:03.880 There's no sanctuary for criminals, public safety threats,

00:10:07.780 and national security threats in this country.

00:10:09.340 And that's why we got rid of that sense of location policy.

00:10:12.540 No one's going to raid a school.

00:10:14.200 No one's going to raid a hospital.

00:10:15.460 But we will make arrests when we need to on a significant case.

00:10:18.520 Mm-hmm.

00:10:19.860 I read that you think the Illinois governor and the Chicago Public Schools CEO,

00:10:25.300 Pedro Martinez, owe you an apology for spreading these lies.

00:10:29.460 They came out and said, well, you read in part what the governor said,

00:10:32.940 but he said,

00:10:33.640 after a week of Republicans sowing fear and chaos,

00:10:35.720 the first reports of raids in Chicago are at an elementary school.

00:10:39.500 Targeting children and separating families is cruel and un-American.

00:10:44.200 And then you had this guy, Pedro Martinez, make similar false claims.

00:10:48.460 Have you received an apology?

00:10:50.660 No, they don't owe me an apology.

00:10:52.960 They owe the men and women of ICE an apology.

00:10:55.880 It's like I hear last night, I forget who,

00:10:58.600 talking about the Holocaust and connecting us with the Holocaust.

00:11:03.940 For God's sakes, what a sickening thing to say.

00:11:06.500 Men and women of ICE aren't making this up.

00:11:08.740 They're enforcing laws enacted by Congress.

00:11:10.640 And I can't, I can't hardly believe that Congress is enacting laws

00:11:15.340 and passing laws they don't want to enforce.

00:11:17.140 Not only are they enacting laws that tell ICE what to do,

00:11:20.620 they're budgeting.

00:11:21.580 They give us the money to do that.

00:11:23.640 So they owe the men and women of ICE an apology.

00:11:26.460 Because men and women of ICE put their lives on the line every day across this country.

00:11:30.320 They put a gun under their head, they wear a Kevlar vest,

00:11:32.640 they're out there taking on the bad guys.

00:11:34.620 And a sanctuary, it's already a dangerous job.

00:11:36.340 With sanctuary cities, it's even more dangerous,

00:11:38.580 because now rather than arresting the bad guy in a jail,

00:11:41.620 where we know he doesn't have weapons, we know it's a safe transfer.

00:11:45.380 Now we've got to go to the streets and find them because of sanctuary cities.

00:11:48.740 So all the risks that these ICE agents take,

00:11:50.880 and all the other agencies that are involved, DEA, FBI, ATF, wrestling,

00:11:54.380 they deserve the apology.

00:11:56.000 Because if they did anything in Chicago, I was there.

00:11:59.220 We didn't scare children.

00:12:01.660 We saved children.

00:12:03.000 At the last count, when I left that command center,

00:12:05.300 we had like seven sexual predators, mostly child sexual predators,

00:12:09.000 child sexual predators, that we took off the streets of Chicago.

00:12:13.020 So ICE protected children.

00:12:14.860 We're not out there to demonize them or scare the hell out of them.

00:12:18.280 We protected children.

00:12:20.100 And Governor Prisker, you put the children at risk,

00:12:23.060 because not only did you lie about going to elementary school,

00:12:25.980 you released sexual predators of children back on the streets to re-offend.

00:12:30.140 ICE is saving children.

00:12:31.580 Governor Prisker has put them at great risk.

00:12:33.220 And what actually wound up happening was it was Secret Service responding to a specific threat

00:12:38.540 reportedly that they had received from a school.

00:12:41.880 And they just decided that it was ICE and to demonize you and your team

00:12:45.380 because they have political reasons for doing that.

00:12:47.200 Notwithstanding, as I say, 87% support.

00:12:50.600 Republicans, Democrats, independents across the board favor mightily what you're doing now

00:12:55.520 and also favor by a clear majority, 55 to 60%, depending on the poll,

00:12:59.540 your next step, which is going after illegal immigrants who have not been convicted of crimes.

00:13:04.500 Let me talk to you a bit about the numbers, because 600,000 people who you know of who are here illegal

00:13:10.540 and on top of it have committed crimes.

00:13:13.140 And then 1.4 million, you said, people who were adjudicated no on their asylum claims,

00:13:19.360 but then we didn't throw them out.

00:13:20.580 We just said, oh, well, you didn't get asylum, but then Joe Biden did nothing.

00:13:23.880 So they just went on living their merry lives in the States.

00:13:26.960 So that's 2 million right there.

00:13:29.500 And then that doesn't even count all the others, right, who just sneaked across the border.

00:13:33.960 And we know they're here, but we don't know where they are.

00:13:36.400 So this is where I start to get depressed, Tom.

00:13:38.480 I listen to you talk and I feel uplifted.

00:13:40.200 But then I start to get depressed because even though you guys are doing yeoman's work

00:13:43.180 and you're finally all working together, let's call it 1,000 a day.

00:13:46.820 You know, it's not quite there, but let's just call it 1,000 a day.

00:13:49.240 And I did a little math, which is a stretch for me, that brings us to 365,000 in a year

00:13:55.360 times four years.

00:13:56.280 That brings us to 1.46 million.

00:13:58.520 So that's less than the 2 million we just discussed, those first two groups over four

00:14:03.160 years, over Trump's four years, which makes me think, ah, how are we going to get all these

00:14:07.780 people out?

00:14:08.460 You know, we're talking between 12 and 20 million illegals in the country right now.

00:14:13.640 I know it's big, but how do we digest those numbers?

00:14:19.240 Well, there's a lot of plans in the works.

00:14:21.520 I'm working on a lot of plans, a lot of strategies, but we got to bring it, like I said, the whole

00:14:25.500 government to the table, right?

00:14:26.880 We got 3,000 sheriffs across this country that we can easily delegate authority, give

00:14:32.220 them 287-G authority, both the jail model and the task force model.

00:14:35.920 That is a huge force multiplier, right?

00:14:38.640 So if we can give them 287-G authority and they can act as ICE agents, every county in this

00:14:44.020 country, those deputies could not only arrest illegal aliens based on a database check

00:14:49.140 thing and simply run through our law enforcement support center, they can actually do 287-G jail

00:14:55.160 models, which means everybody that goes books into jail.

00:14:58.160 That's what 287-G is.

00:14:59.540 It's colorblind.

00:15:00.460 Every person that's booked into jail, if I get arrested and I get booked into jail, my

00:15:04.760 prints will be run through NCIC.

00:15:06.160 At the same time, they're running against DHS databases.

00:15:08.400 So if I have any history with it, Border Patrol or ICE, it's going to pop up.

00:15:13.700 And if the 287-G train facilities, they can actually process that person, hold them for the

00:15:17.580 immigration hold, and we can arrest them.

00:15:19.940 So we can certainly expand immigration enforcement throughout the country.

00:15:24.840 That's one plan.

00:15:25.920 Another plan is we need to be out there messaging to the illegal immigrant community that, look,

00:15:31.620 if you're in the country illegally, and you haven't received a deportation order yet, or

00:15:37.040 you haven't been arrested yet, you need to leave the country.

00:15:40.260 Because if you don't, if we have to put you in the court and get a formal order removal,

00:15:45.500 there's a bar that's put on you.

00:15:47.040 So whether it's from anywhere from five to 20 years that you can't re-enter this country,

00:15:51.120 you can't get a business visa, you can't get a tourist visa.

00:15:54.100 If you have a U.S. citizen child here, he can't petition for you.

00:15:57.400 So you are locked out.

00:15:58.580 So if you're here illegally and don't have an order removal yet, leave.

00:16:02.920 Do things the right way.

00:16:03.920 If you have a U.S. citizen child, they can petition for you down the road.

00:16:06.360 But we need to keep pushing that message out.

00:16:08.940 We also, at Self-Deport, we need to push worksite enforcement.

00:16:12.180 Number one reason they come here, look, nine out of ten people that come to the border

00:16:15.480 to claim asylum, nine out of ten is actually 86.7.

00:16:18.680 People that claim asylum at the border will get an order removal because they simply don't

00:16:22.080 qualify for asylum.

00:16:23.260 They're coming here for a job or a better life.

00:16:24.860 And I get that.

00:16:25.640 But they're not escaping fear and persecution from their home government because of race,

00:16:29.560 religion, political affiliation.

00:16:31.440 So that nine out of ten are here for a job.

00:16:34.540 Worksite enforcement, we're going to hit that hard.

00:16:36.700 So we're going to arrest a lot of people at worksites.

00:16:38.760 We need I-9s.

00:16:40.260 We need to e-verify and I-9 enforcement.

00:16:43.600 Congress needs to get to the table.

00:16:45.440 The American people have spoken.

00:16:46.780 This is a clear mandate to the president.

00:16:49.180 Pass e-verify.

00:16:50.380 If they can't get a job, they're going to go home.

00:16:52.600 So there's all these different programs we're going to throw in place to help us get to

00:16:57.080 that magic number of getting to the non-criminals.

00:16:59.980 Because if there's no consequences, if they don't see people coming home, they're going

00:17:04.580 to keep coming.

00:17:05.580 But they need to see plain loads of illegal animals being returned to the homeland to

00:17:09.040 let them know the border's closed.

00:17:11.100 If you want to come to the country, there's a right way and a wrong way.

00:17:14.240 Go the right way because there are millions of people standing in line right now taking their

00:17:18.620 tests, doing their background, paying their fees to come to the United States the right

00:17:23.520 way.

00:17:24.060 There are thousands of tens of thousands of people in the world that really are escaping

00:17:29.000 fear and persecution from the whole government because of race, religion, political affiliation

00:17:32.920 that are sitting in the back seat.

00:17:35.040 So these are the systems we need to fix to drive illegal immigration to an all-time low

00:17:39.640 in this nation.

00:17:40.700 What kind of incentives, if any, should they be potentially offered to make them self-deport?

00:17:47.220 I've heard smart people say, we don't want to pay these people anything, but if you calculate

00:17:52.660 what it takes, Tom Homan and team, all the agencies you just named on a per immigrant

00:17:58.360 basis, it's a lot of money that we're expending to go after these guys.

00:18:01.640 What if we could come up with a way to like, I don't know, I'm just picking a random number

00:18:05.100 like two grand.

00:18:06.180 If you return to Guatemala, here's a big check waiting for you, get out and get down there

00:18:11.480 and we'll work with the government to make sure these people get paid.

00:18:13.540 Like, I know it sounds outrageous to pay, but like better just to get them out of the

00:18:17.180 country.

00:18:18.380 And if they could self-deport, it would make it a whole lot easier on you guys.

00:18:21.800 Is that crazy talk?

00:18:24.180 No, it's been discussed as an option.

00:18:26.320 We're looking at what the pros and cons are, but you're right.

00:18:30.140 It would save the taxpayers the money.

00:18:31.540 And there's other things where, you know, helping them get their affairs together, you

00:18:36.060 know, given a window of 30 days, the non-immigrants, non-criminals to put their affairs together

00:18:41.620 and supply transportation back to their homeland.

00:18:44.820 There's also talk about creating real opportunity zones in those countries.

00:18:51.060 So when they go back, they're going back to a job.

00:18:54.820 Differently than every other administration, though.

00:18:57.580 We got to make sure the money goes to the right people.

00:18:59.680 You know, this has been done, billions and billions of dollars being sent to these countries

00:19:04.320 to create opportunity zones so that people don't feel like I'll leave the country, come

00:19:08.240 back.

00:19:08.980 That money doesn't get where it needs to go because of the corruption of government officials

00:19:13.180 and so forth.

00:19:13.900 So that needs to be drilled down on the Department of State.

00:19:17.240 We're talking about this.

00:19:18.160 So what you just said, there's discussions going on.

00:19:20.880 I'm looking at pros and cons of what may work best, but it's not off the table.

00:19:24.780 We're thinking about it.

00:19:25.800 What do you, how would you describe what our military is doing right now?

00:19:29.920 Because they're not allowed to do law enforcement, but I hear that they're, that, you know, they

00:19:33.820 can drive trucks at the Southern border.

00:19:35.160 They can transport people or things.

00:19:37.040 So how do you see the military helping now?

00:19:39.180 Because finally we have a presidential order commanding that DHS, Department of Homeland Security

00:19:44.120 and the Department of Defense coordinate to help stop this.

00:19:46.560 Look, and they should, because I think what's happened on the Southern border and even Christopher

00:19:51.620 Ray, well, not buddies with, by any means, even he agrees with me that the open Southern

00:19:56.700 border is the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen.

00:20:01.960 We know we had over 2 million known gotaways.

00:20:04.540 These people were captured on video, drone traffic or central traffic.

00:20:07.420 We know they're here.

00:20:08.260 It's not a guess.

00:20:08.960 We got images.

00:20:10.340 Over 2 million people across the border and got away.

00:20:12.660 They paid more to get away.

00:20:13.800 They didn't pay the cartels less money because cartels would charge one fee to get to the

00:20:18.520 border.

00:20:18.840 You see a green uniform, turn yourself in, cartels, jobs, ends.

00:20:22.420 Well, if you want to get away, then you want to get to New York, Chicago, or into the United

00:20:26.660 States without being arrested or processed.

00:20:29.200 That costs a hell of a lot more money.

00:20:30.940 So the American people need to ask themselves, why did 2 million people pay more to get away?

00:20:35.080 Why not pay less and get a free airline ticket to the city of your choice, get a free hotel

00:20:39.080 room, get three meals a day, get free medical care and get work authorization within

00:20:42.980 9,000 to 120 days?

00:20:44.340 Why would you pay more?

00:20:45.320 Not to take advantage of the giveaway program because they don't want to be fingerprinted.

00:20:48.900 They don't want to be vetted.

00:20:50.260 We've rested.

00:20:51.480 There's been a 3,500, 3,500% increase in people on terrorist watch list being arrested

00:20:56.800 on the border.

00:20:58.820 How many, 2 million people?

00:20:59.660 Say that again.

00:21:00.440 3,500% increase in, say it again.

00:21:05.980 And terror watch list suspects being arrested on the border.

00:21:09.580 Under Trump administration, four years, we had 14.

00:21:12.980 There were 400.

00:21:15.480 And that's just a southern border.

00:21:18.000 So this is a huge national security vulnerability.

00:21:21.380 So I think DOD is doing exactly what they should do.

00:21:23.480 It's a national security issue.

00:21:25.140 They need to secure this country and protect our national security.

00:21:28.680 And so I said from day one, they're a great asset, right?

00:21:31.800 Because they can do things that don't require an immigration authority, immigration officer

00:21:36.140 that has a badge and gun.

00:21:37.680 Transportation, for instance.

00:21:38.820 We can take ICE officers who have immigration enforcement authority out of the bus or out

00:21:42.920 of the plane and let DOD do that.

00:21:44.960 That releases more immigration officers to the streets.

00:21:47.540 The rest is the bad guy.

00:21:48.760 They can help us with infrastructure.

00:21:50.040 Down there putting Constantino wire up and border barriers.

00:21:52.880 They're doing denial of entry.

00:21:54.720 So they're being a great asset.

00:21:56.600 I've done this since 1984.

00:21:58.320 I started in Border Patrol since 1984.

00:21:59.660 This weekend, for the first time in my life, I saw an Army plane, a military plane, removing

00:22:06.760 the land in the southbound.

00:22:08.320 That was a beautiful sight because it says all of the government, all of the government

00:22:12.240 is going to increase the national security of this nation and secure that border.

00:22:17.440 Secure a border saves lives.

00:22:19.180 Secure a border helps increase the level of national security we need in this nation.

00:22:24.300 There's a lot of people in this world who want to hurt us.

00:22:26.180 And securing that border and removing the bad guys, it's going to help us be more safe.

00:22:30.160 How dangerous is this work?

00:22:32.180 You know, we saw just this past weekend in, it looks like, Fronten, Texas, there was an

00:22:37.120 exchange of gunfire between U.S. Border Patrol agents on Monday.

00:22:41.280 This was near the U.S.-Mexican border.

00:22:45.440 Nobody was actually hit, but these are suspected cartel members.

00:22:49.560 I just can't imagine, and here we have some video, I cannot imagine being the guys who actually

00:22:53.680 have to confront the cartel members to shut this gig down.

00:22:56.300 It's very, look, the job's already dangerous.

00:23:00.260 I mean, I was in one shooting in the Border Patrol back in 1987.

00:23:04.520 Only time I ever had to do something like that.

00:23:07.240 Most agents don't get involved in the shooting.

00:23:09.280 But as I've told the White House, it's going to get worse.

00:23:13.320 The criminal cartels in Mexico, no one celebrated the President Biden's election more than they

00:23:18.420 did because they knew they're back in business.

00:23:20.560 They're making a record amount of money in sex trafficking women and children.

00:23:23.480 They're making a record amount of money smuggling aliens.

00:23:26.620 They're making a record amount of money moving dope in the country, especially if I know.

00:23:30.580 The President just doesn't end in terrorist organizations because he's going to wipe them

00:23:33.780 off the face of the earth just like he did the caliphate, right, the ISIS.

00:23:37.160 He destroyed them.

00:23:38.780 They need to be destroyed because they've killed more Americans than every terrorist organization

00:23:42.840 in the world combined.

00:23:44.280 They're not going to go away quietly.

00:23:45.960 There's going to be more.

00:23:46.880 We're hitting them.

00:23:47.800 We're at hearse in the pocketbook.

00:23:49.200 They don't have the money.

00:23:50.100 They can't pay off the Mexican military.

00:23:51.580 They can't pay off the Mexican politicians and the judges and the prosecutors.

00:23:55.340 So taking their money away is angering them.

00:23:57.940 We're going to put them out of business.

00:23:59.140 They're going to fight.

00:23:59.840 They're going to go down fighting.

00:24:01.100 And they've already got access to military-grade weapons.

00:24:04.220 They have no sense of life and respect to life.

00:24:08.500 There's going to be more violence on the southern border.

00:24:10.640 So I go to bed every night hoping that the men and women wearing that uniform go home safe

00:24:15.940 to their families.

00:24:16.560 But it's only a matter of time until that violence increases, which means we've got

00:24:23.240 to give, again, put 100% focus on these cartels to put them out of business, shut them down.

00:24:28.900 Mexico's not going to do it.

00:24:30.460 I know I get in trouble by saying that.

00:24:32.360 Mexico hasn't dealt with them in three decades.

00:24:34.700 And it's going to take the United States to put the cartels out of business permanently.

00:24:39.700 So we've got to get that done quickly.

00:24:41.200 Tom, I have to ask you, it's not just Selena Gomez.

00:24:45.700 I know you've seen the clip of her crying.

00:24:47.940 And she got so much blowback from her fans, her 422 million number of followers on Instagram

00:24:53.960 that she deleted it.

00:24:55.120 But I really, you're the best person to ask about what she and others like her are missing.

00:25:02.340 She purports to be so concerned about the children who Tom Homan and his team are going

00:25:07.080 to deport.

00:25:07.580 And I honestly, with all fairness to this hysterical person, I really think she's missing the full

00:25:13.520 story.

00:25:14.020 Here's the clip for those of you who haven't seen it.

00:25:15.760 I just want to say that I'm so sorry.

00:25:20.860 All my people are getting attacked.

00:25:24.640 The children.

00:25:29.240 They don't understand.

00:25:32.400 They're so sorry.

00:25:33.920 I wish I could do something, but they can't.

00:25:36.740 I don't know what to do.

00:25:40.180 I'll try everything.

00:25:42.100 I promise.

00:25:46.960 What is she missing?

00:25:49.180 Well, look, she's famous as a lot of followers.

00:25:52.240 I wish she'd message Mexico and other countries that this isn't a way to enter the country legally.

00:25:58.520 Right.

00:26:01.100 Quarter million Americans dead from fat now that comes across that border.

00:26:04.960 I'm sure many fans of hers.

00:26:07.440 A 600 percent increase in sex trafficking in women and children.

00:26:10.660 There are women and children in this nation right now forced into sexual slavery.

00:26:15.020 Some of these children won't survive.

00:26:18.520 So cry for them.

00:26:20.280 Cry for the quarter million Americans that died from fat now.

00:26:23.380 Cry for the families of thousands of families in this nation who had a family of a permanent

00:26:31.680 separation of their children because they were killed by illegal animals and they buried them.

00:26:34.860 Help us secure the border.

00:26:37.200 Save lives.

00:26:37.720 Send a message out.

00:26:38.440 This is not the way to come across the border.

00:26:40.620 Under Joe Biden, a record number of Americans have died because of the open border policy with

00:26:44.720 fat now.

00:26:45.520 A record number of aliens have died crossing the border.

00:26:48.080 4,000.

00:26:49.180 Historic number of people have died crossing this border.

00:26:51.480 So if you want to help, if you want to cry, cry for those who have suffered because of

00:26:58.240 the open border crisis.

00:26:59.660 If you want to save women and children, tell them not to come.

00:27:03.580 Don't put themselves in the arms of criminal cartels, be sexually assaulted, abused, and

00:27:07.200 killed.

00:27:09.080 If you want to cry, cry for the victims of an open border.

00:27:12.620 I've said this a hundred times.

00:27:14.000 Open borders kills, I just said it, kills a record amount of Americans, record amount

00:27:18.500 of migrants.

00:27:18.820 But you know, a secure border saves lives.

00:27:21.480 When President Trump had illegal immigration down 90%, when 90% less people were coming,

00:27:26.920 how many women did get raped by the cartels?

00:27:28.940 How many children didn't drown in that river?

00:27:30.860 How many Americans didn't die from fentanyl because the border's tight and secure and the

00:27:34.960 border's all on table?

00:27:37.200 How many children weren't found in pornographic movies and sex slavery?

00:27:40.540 How many women weren't forced into sexual slavery at massage parties throughout this country?

00:27:44.680 How many cartel members didn't make it into this country to spread their poison

00:27:48.140 throughout the nation?

00:27:49.540 Thousands of people died because of open borders.

00:27:52.140 So help us.

00:27:53.360 You've got a big platform.

00:27:55.220 Help us save lives.

00:27:57.080 Secure border saves lives.

00:27:58.680 Those who enter the country legally, they're cheaters.

00:28:02.120 As I said, there's people in this world who are gloom in the right thing to come to the

00:28:05.040 country the right way.

00:28:05.900 These people are taking a front seat away from people that really deserve to come to this

00:28:09.380 country.

00:28:10.140 Help us to send that message.

00:28:12.380 A secure border saves lives.

00:28:14.360 That's where she should be putting her anger, her sadness, everything else.

00:28:18.900 Help us.

00:28:19.640 We can save lives together.

00:28:20.800 Tom, we watched you at a hearing.

00:28:23.700 It happened years ago across from Representative Chuy Garcia, who was taking issue with your

00:28:31.120 tough on the border approach and suggesting you had no heart and actually asked you, have

00:28:36.000 you ever held a child in your arms, you know, a young child, and you told a terrible story

00:28:42.220 about how indeed you had firsthand, you used to be a border patrol agent.

00:28:46.480 You were on the front lines doing this work as an agent.

00:28:50.080 And I couldn't help but think of that five-year-old boy when I saw her crying for her people.

00:28:55.040 I mean, people, meantime, are pointing out online, like Evita Duffy Alfonso, who comes

00:28:59.520 on the show.

00:29:00.380 Selena Gomez is half Italian.

00:29:01.960 She has a Mexican father who wasn't in the picture, and she says her Spanish is terrible.

00:29:05.540 What does she mean, my people?

00:29:06.660 I don't know where her people are.

00:29:08.040 But if she's talking about her people from Latin America, from Central America, you've had

00:29:12.420 experience with what happens to those people as they try to cross this border in the most

00:29:16.260 harrowing of circumstances.

00:29:17.680 And so far, no tears for little boys like that five-year-old.

00:29:21.860 Well, I shed plenty of tears on that incident.

00:29:24.060 That incident changed me forever.

00:29:26.200 And I've held many dying children.

00:29:28.100 I've had adult children.

00:29:28.960 I've talked to little girls as young as nine.

00:29:31.620 When you get on your knees, you talk to a little girl at nine years old that was raped

00:29:35.860 multiple times by a member of the cartel.

00:29:38.840 And you get a look in her eyes and everything innocent and pure.

00:29:44.920 Everything innocent and pure.

00:29:46.260 And her life has been stolen.

00:29:48.020 And her life will never be the same.

00:29:50.440 That's why I fight so hard.

00:29:53.140 People, while you and I are talking right now, Megan, women are being raped by members

00:29:58.440 of the cartel as part of the people crossing that border.

00:30:01.760 A child will die on the border tonight.

00:30:04.220 So, you know, I take this job seriously because of what I've seen in my 34 years.

00:30:08.440 And for the folks out there that hate me, if you wore my shoes for 34 years, you'd understand

00:30:13.580 the passion, you'd understand why I think a secure border saves lives.

00:30:16.960 So, you know, I wrote a book, Secure a Border Saves Lives.

00:30:21.480 And I meant what I said.

00:30:24.220 And that's based on my experience of all the death that occurs on that border.

00:30:28.720 The sexual assault of women.

00:30:30.640 Think about some nine-year-old little girl, grown men, crawling down her, taking everything

00:30:34.740 innocent and pure from her.

00:30:35.920 Her life will never be the same.

00:30:37.780 And that happens every day.

00:30:40.840 Secure the border, save lives.

00:30:42.120 President Trump's promised American people are going to secure the border.

00:30:44.580 And we're going to save a whole bunch of lives.

00:30:47.240 We're going to save a whole bunch of women being sexually assaulted.

00:30:49.920 We're going to save a whole bunch of Americans dying from fentanyl.

00:30:52.520 We're going to save a lot of U.S. citizens that aren't going to be victims of illegal immigrant

00:30:56.880 crime.

00:30:58.100 The President Trump has the right idea.

00:31:00.180 He's like the Pentagon.

00:31:02.580 And I'm like the field general.

00:31:04.280 He has great vision.

00:31:06.120 Him and Steve Miller.

00:31:06.940 Steve Miller is brilliant.

00:31:08.780 Yes.

00:31:09.140 They're helping me.

00:31:09.880 They gave me the tools to do this with.

00:31:11.460 I'm out there making sure those tools are implemented.

00:31:13.700 And we save this country and make this country safer.

00:31:17.500 Tom, this is clearly personal to you.

00:31:19.460 I've got to ask you, what was it like for you on November 5th when you saw the results

00:31:24.200 roll in and you realized he had won and you were going to be unleashed on this thing?

00:31:29.480 I've been pissed off for four years.

00:31:33.440 Every morning I get up, I'm pissed off.

00:31:35.520 And people ask me, I got an airplane flight in Dallas just before the election.

00:31:41.600 And the captain met me in the galley.

00:31:44.040 He goes, I've got to ask you a question.

00:31:44.940 I love you.

00:31:45.380 I love Trump.

00:31:45.900 He goes, me and my wife wondered, why are you always so angry when you're testifying

00:31:49.340 from the Congress?

00:31:50.180 And why are you so angry when you do your Fox interviews?

00:31:52.560 I said, I am.

00:31:53.420 I'm angry and I'm pissed off because we had this lockdown.

00:31:55.840 And as I said earlier, when President Trump has, you know, illegal immigration on 90%,

00:32:00.340 how many women weren't being raped?

00:32:01.600 How many Americans didn't die from fat?

00:32:03.100 Now, how many women and children were in sex traffic?

00:32:05.640 I said, and they unleashed it.

00:32:07.160 And I knew when President Biden, when Biden became president, I knew he was going to destroy

00:32:12.560 everything we did, the most secure border in my lifetime, open it up, which means more

00:32:15.480 women are going to be raped, more Americans are going to die, more rapes, more sexual slavery.

00:32:19.960 So I've been angry for four years that any commander in chief would come into office and

00:32:23.680 unsecure a border on purpose.

00:32:25.440 I worked for six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan.

00:32:27.400 Every president I worked for, even Clinton Obama, took steps to secure the border.

00:32:30.880 They clearly understood you can't have national security, you don't have border security.

00:32:34.600 Joe Biden's the first president in the history of the nation, came into office and unsecured

00:32:38.060 a border on purpose.

00:32:39.200 So I was four years pissed off.

00:32:40.620 The night of the election, I was in Mar-a-Lago with the president.

00:32:43.020 That's the first morning I woke up excited that we're going to save lives.

00:32:46.940 And I couldn't wait to get back.

00:32:48.120 Matter of fact, when the president did call me, I was the first person he called.

00:32:51.140 I think I was his first selection.

00:32:52.800 He called me up.

00:32:53.480 His first words were, oh, you've been bitching about it for four years.

00:32:56.840 You ready to come fix it?

00:32:58.460 Of course I am.

00:32:59.660 And I took a huge pay cut, but I'm glad I'm back.

00:33:04.800 We're going to save lives.

00:33:05.740 We're already saving lives.

00:33:06.900 What we did in Chicago, I was in Chicago the other day.

00:33:09.820 That city is safer because of ICE and the law enforcement agencies, and we're going to

00:33:13.260 keep doing it.

00:33:14.020 There's no end to this.

00:33:14.960 This time, we're going to get back to the secure border we had, but this time, we finished

00:33:20.140 the job.

00:33:21.480 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 Amen.

00:33:22.600 God bless you and all the men and women working with you, Tom.

00:33:25.320 You're the right man for the job.

00:33:26.580 We believe in you, and we're really grateful for you.

00:33:29.840 Thank you.

00:33:31.600 Wow.

00:33:32.140 Tom Homan, everybody.

00:33:33.000 Stay safe out there.

00:33:34.100 How lucky are we?

00:33:35.640 Honestly, how lucky are we to have him?

00:33:38.940 You know, you've seen the combative interviews with Tom when he goes on the mainstream, whatever,

00:33:43.140 you know, corporate media, and everyone's always giving it such a hard time.

00:33:46.360 Like, why don't you fucking ask him what he thinks, what his plan is?

00:33:48.580 My God, that was fascinating.

00:33:50.240 Just to hear what the actual problem is, what the plan is for combating it, why the problem

00:33:54.080 is so bad, exactly what his motivation is.

00:33:57.360 This is why corporate media is such a fail, such a failure.

00:34:00.620 You've got these losers on CNN looking for their star moment so they can look tough on Tom

00:34:04.700 Homan.

00:34:05.140 He's trying to protect you, you absolute fools.

00:34:08.900 What a pleasure to have somebody like that on board and willing to run hurt on this and

00:34:13.560 not able to have his, you know, his, his steel back penetrated by these barbs that these losers

00:34:20.580 try to throw at him.

00:34:21.620 Good luck shaking Tom Homan.

00:34:23.040 He is totally the man for the job.

00:34:25.100 Love your thoughts on it.

00:34:25.900 You can email me, Megan, at megankelly.com.

00:34:28.720 Wow.

00:34:29.760 Feeling good.

00:34:30.480 Feeling so.

00:34:30.960 It's like every day is Christmas on Team Trump.

00:34:33.180 Coming up next, Mark Halperin and Dan Turrentine are here.

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00:35:48.300 Trump's cabinet nominees.

00:35:50.120 Three big ones.

00:35:51.920 Controversial ones, of course.

00:35:53.180 Uh, finally get their hearings.

00:35:55.060 RFKJ, Tulsi Gabbard, and Kash Patel for FBI.

00:35:59.220 All heading to their confirmation hearings before the Senate beginning tomorrow for what

00:36:03.900 promises to be some very contentious moments to watch.

00:36:07.300 And I should tell you that I, too, will be headed down to D.C.

00:36:11.220 after the show today because I, uh, would like to take a peek at what they do to Robert

00:36:17.200 F. Kennedy Jr.

00:36:18.360 I feel like this show and he have somewhat of a special relationship since I think even

00:36:23.340 he would tell you he probably wouldn't be there this week if it hadn't been for the four

00:36:28.000 hours we did with him March of 2022 when no one would touch him.

00:36:32.260 He was officially on the disinformation dozen list being pushed by the White House.

00:36:36.600 And we found a way to get that four-hour interview on all platforms, even the ones on which he'd

00:36:41.920 been banned, and it didn't get banned anywhere.

00:36:45.300 Uh, and he will tell you that was the beginning of his road back to being sort of acceptable.

00:36:50.000 It's an absurdity.

00:36:50.820 I realize all that, but it had to be done.

00:36:52.960 And it was done.

00:36:54.000 And look at him now.

00:36:54.940 So I will be down there tomorrow supporting him and watching to see what they throw at

00:36:59.460 him.

00:36:59.860 Uh, let's get now our guest's opinion on it all.

00:37:02.660 Editor-in-chief of Two-Way, Mark Halperin, and former Democratic strategist Dan Turrentine.

00:37:07.220 They are both hosts of Two-Way's The Morning Meeting.

00:37:10.940 Guys, great to have you.

00:37:12.820 Great to see you, Megan.

00:37:13.780 Thank you.

00:37:15.080 Um, all right.

00:37:16.000 So already there's some reports, uh, that Tulsi may be on a knife's edge.

00:37:21.960 Uh, it may not, like, it's not guaranteed, in other words, and that there's some Republican

00:37:26.200 rumblings that she might potentially not even get out of committee.

00:37:28.940 Um, and then over on RFKJ's side, we've seen hippies after hippies, starting with the big

00:37:35.520 Wall Street Journal.

00:37:37.160 Not surprisingly, they don't like him.

00:37:39.160 The way that they're going after him, though, is to suggest he is making a lot of money by

00:37:44.160 referrals to big law firms.

00:37:46.060 He himself is a lawyer.

00:37:47.020 That's how he's paid his bills for the past 40 years.

00:37:49.760 Um, especially those law firms that are suing vaccine manufacturers, like the ones who make

00:37:56.140 Gardasil, the HPV vaccine, which has caused a lot of problems that people allege anyway.

00:38:01.040 So that's, they're basically saying that he's got ties that he should be more open about

00:38:05.660 and that he's bought and paid for just by a different set of people, Mark.

00:38:08.940 So what do you foresee happening with the RFKJ confirmation hearings, two days worth?

00:38:13.900 Well, every, uh, troubled nomination is troubled in its own way, right?

00:38:18.640 And his is especially unusual because there's critics on the left, there's critics on the

00:38:23.100 right.

00:38:24.040 His cousin, uh, Caroline Kennedy, just put out a long letter accusing him of all sorts of

00:38:29.540 things, including some allegations that are at least new to me.

00:38:32.840 I think that, um, you know, what you found is what I found when I talked to him, what people

00:38:38.140 who've let him speak for himself have found, which is he has a lot of interesting ideas with

00:38:43.000 huge resonance amongst the American people.

00:38:45.000 Just, just what he wants to do on health, we find on two way, I find in talking to people

00:38:49.540 around the country has incredible resonance.

00:38:51.440 And so I think that there aren't 50 votes for him, but there aren't 50 votes against him.

00:38:56.660 And I think his nomination will hinge on, I think what Pete Hexet's nomination on,

00:39:01.680 on, how does he do in the hearing?

00:39:03.520 Does he come across in the hearing as a unique visionary who wants to make America healthy

00:39:08.200 again?

00:39:08.840 Or does he come across as a kook whose issue positions, uh, have something to offend everyone?

00:39:14.540 I think if he comes in and testifies, well, he'll make it.

00:39:17.660 And I think if he doesn't, he won't.

00:39:19.860 Dan, didn't we talk about this or did I just read you read it on Twitter?

00:39:22.820 But one of the things I remember you saying in one place or the other was that one of

00:39:28.180 the things that really helped Pete Hexet was the performance of the Democrats at the hearing

00:39:31.520 that if they had, if they had seemed more normal, perhaps his Republican support wouldn't

00:39:37.000 have been so ardent and strong, but that they played a real hand in delivering him the

00:39:43.040 win.

00:39:45.360 Yes, absolutely.

00:39:46.380 I mean, I thought some Democrats in that hearing and the Hexet hearing completely embarrassed

00:39:50.760 themselves and looked like a Saturday Night Live skit.

00:39:53.740 And it really, I think, forced some Republicans who had concerns to ask themselves politically,

00:39:59.640 do I want to be associated with that?

00:40:02.720 Or do I want to be associated with President Trump?

00:40:05.740 And obviously they made their decision.

00:40:07.540 I think the interesting thing here is I think RFK Jr. will get some Democratic votes.

00:40:13.580 In fact, he may need some Democratic votes.

00:40:16.260 And it's going to be a fine line because I think some of the Democratic questions will

00:40:21.380 be, for instance, he supposedly has talked to the other day to some Democratic Senate staff

00:40:26.260 that he is open to seizing patents held by pharmaceutical companies.

00:40:31.240 Pharmaceutical companies and a lot of Republicans don't like that.

00:40:33.640 He said certain things on abortion.

00:40:36.160 So Democrats, I think, in this instance, may try to cause some mischief to try to drive

00:40:41.040 a wedge between some Republicans and RFK Jr.

00:40:46.560 I think that it's going to be interesting because there's no question, Mark, that there's a lot

00:40:53.120 of dirt on RFKJ.

00:40:54.740 You could go any one of a number of ways on this guy.

00:40:57.520 This is like an oppo research dream, I'm sure.

00:41:00.460 He's a Kennedy.

00:41:01.540 He's lived a colorful life.

00:41:03.580 You know, there's no question in the women lane, in a lot of lanes, you could land some

00:41:08.280 blows.

00:41:09.120 But my overall feeling, and I think the feeling of a lot of people who are pro-Maha or Maha

00:41:14.940 adjacent or at least interested in what's happening over in that lane, is we don't care.

00:41:20.740 We want somebody to get the bad food dyes out of the food, the things that have been banned

00:41:25.740 out of our makeup for 30 years because of their carcinogens.

00:41:28.180 We want somebody who's going to stop the revolving door at the FDA.

00:41:31.800 So all these people are telling us that OxyContin is not addictive because they want to land

00:41:36.640 a job with the drug maker who makes it like that's the stuff we know he will fight.

00:41:41.700 So it's I kind of approach this not the way I would have as a Fox News anchor 10 years ago,

00:41:47.260 like, oh, he did.

00:41:48.760 What?

00:41:49.460 Now it's like, who cares?

00:41:51.520 So, first of all, he's led a very colorful life.

00:41:56.320 That's the euphemism of 2025 so far.

00:41:59.180 I think he makes Pete Hegseth look like Orrin Hatch.

00:42:03.180 I mean, just on the personal side, it's kind of epic.

00:42:07.480 And no president, I'll say, you know, people always say in modern history or in my memory,

00:42:11.820 I'm willing to say no president would have nominated someone with Bobby Kennedy's personal

00:42:15.820 past in the history of the republic except Donald Trump.

00:42:18.740 And Donald Trump has, as you know, warmly embraced MAHA and some of these issues, not

00:42:24.040 just as good politics, but I think it's something that's really gotten to President Trump and

00:42:28.640 the people around him.

00:42:29.960 So on the issue of substance, on personal stuff, disqualifying under normal circumstances,

00:42:37.380 again, if he can focus on health, I think he can do well.

00:42:40.380 I think it's the policy positions that are going to be equally problematic.

00:42:44.140 As Dan suggested, there's some Democrats who won't vote for him on policy grounds.

00:42:47.840 There's some Republicans who might not vote for one policy grounds.

00:42:51.060 It's very difficult to be confirmed winning votes from both parties that add up to your

00:42:57.200 margin of victory.

00:42:58.300 It just doesn't happen very much in our polarized times.

00:43:01.280 So if Dan's right and he does need Democrat votes to be confirmed, it's going to be dicey.

00:43:07.220 I'll say again, if he can emphasize the issues that tens of millions of people find attractive,

00:43:12.520 that he espouses, as much as anyone, I'll say this again in hyperbolic terms, more than

00:43:18.580 anyone in American history.

00:43:20.060 He has shed a light on these issues about which many people, including parents, are so passionate.

00:43:24.980 But he's got to make the confirmation about that rather than some of the other issues that

00:43:29.560 are big strikes against him.

00:43:31.380 Because let's face it, Trump, Dan, didn't have some love for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:43:36.200 He wasn't like, God, I've got to have that guy.

00:43:38.280 He went to him.

00:43:39.420 That happened because RFKJ had something to bring to the table.

00:43:42.600 He'd already been building a movement, which wasn't exactly labeled Maha yet.

00:43:47.260 That didn't really, that hadn't yet happened.

00:43:49.360 But he spent his whole life in the public health field just as a lawyer.

00:43:53.920 He's not a doctor, but as a lawyer.

00:43:55.140 And he's been arguing these issues.

00:43:56.940 Yes, vaccines.

00:43:57.580 But it goes well beyond vaccines, what he's tried to do, cleaning up the waters, cleaning

00:44:00.640 up the air.

00:44:01.560 And so that's one of the reasons why so many people, including Nicole Shanahan, his running

00:44:06.060 mate, were attracted to him, even though by any measure he's a little out there.

00:44:10.280 But that's why Trump went to him.

00:44:12.500 That's why I think he's going to get through.

00:44:14.100 It's why people are going to overlook these oddities that would normally tank any nominee.

00:44:20.360 Megan, I totally agree with you.

00:44:22.320 I mean, we hear it on our show all the time.

00:44:24.500 People who voted for him or were going to vote for him love RFK.

00:44:30.180 They believe in what he advocates.

00:44:32.100 They believe in what he has to say.

00:44:34.280 To Mark's point, he's unearthed and championed issues that at one point were fringed that,

00:44:39.080 you know, on his way out the door, the Biden administration got rid of the red dye, right?

00:44:43.440 I mean, I don't think that happens if not for RFK.

00:44:46.040 And one of the things that the Democratic Party has to do is figure out how to win back the

00:44:51.580 RFK vote.

00:44:52.660 We drove him out of the party.

00:44:53.940 We told a lot of his voters, you're kooky.

00:44:56.980 You know, you're you're you're a conspiracy theorist.

00:44:59.900 There's no place for you.

00:45:01.720 Trump opened his arms, listened to what he had to say, gave it, you know, some some some

00:45:07.360 added heft.

00:45:09.420 And here he is.

00:45:10.800 And so that's why I do think there are smart Democrats who will vote for him to try to

00:45:16.120 hug what he stands for and his voters.

00:45:19.140 The thing if you look at the Maha community, it's huge.

00:45:24.140 And I'm I'm putting a lot of things in there.

00:45:26.440 But, you know, it's like all of it from outlived to Andrew Huberman to all this activity on X

00:45:34.500 that talks about your workout routine, your sleep routine, your food routine is big.

00:45:38.920 I follow all these people big.

00:45:40.880 It's just a very large community that has a lot of they're counting on him to make some

00:45:46.560 changes for people who cannot or choose not to spend their lives following these accounts

00:45:51.540 and worrying about the latest thing, supplement they should take or way they should be, you

00:45:56.640 know, eating to just make it a lot easier for for people, especially moms and dads trying

00:46:01.640 to help their children live well.

00:46:03.200 And like, that's how I see him.

00:46:05.480 He's he'll be the most visible face trying to help those kids.

00:46:10.960 And this is the letter that you referenced, Mark.

00:46:13.560 I'll read you in part what this is, because we're going to hear a lot about it tomorrow.

00:46:17.640 So The Washington Post has gotten its hands on a letter that Caroline Kennedy, the daughter

00:46:22.520 of JFK, who, yes, would be a first cousin to RFK Jr., has written to the senators, the

00:46:28.740 Democratic senators, I guess, or maybe all the senators, such as lawmakers, ahead of his

00:46:33.020 confirmation hearings.

00:46:34.540 They say she warned the senators about him calling her cousin a predator whose victims

00:46:40.940 have ranged from family members to the parents of sick children.

00:46:44.440 They say she alleges that he is addicted to attention and power.

00:46:49.280 I mean, grab a number in Washington, has given hypocritical advice by discouraging parents

00:46:55.400 from vaccinating their children while vaccinating his own children.

00:46:59.000 He's quite open about that fact, actually.

00:47:00.840 Um, she alleged that his crusade against vaccination has also served to enrich him.

00:47:07.440 That's potentially a reference to that law firm relationship and him getting, you know,

00:47:11.380 referral fees for these law firms that are suing big vaccine makers in some cases.

00:47:15.200 She writes, I have known Bobby my whole life.

00:47:17.420 We grew up together.

00:47:18.540 It's no surprise that he keeps birds of prey as pets because he himself is a predator.

00:47:24.760 And this is low.

00:47:25.580 She goes on to claim that through the strength of his personality, other family members followed

00:47:30.480 Kennedy Jr.

00:47:31.120 down the path of drug addiction.

00:47:32.740 This is ridiculous.

00:47:33.840 You guys did JFK follow RFK Jr.

00:47:36.680 down the path of addiction with all of his pills and his medical problems.

00:47:40.600 Like he's the first Kennedy to invent addiction.

00:47:43.160 I mean, there's long problems written about with his, with his, his mom, um, his uncle Ted

00:47:49.680 who killed a woman in Chappaquiddick.

00:47:51.640 Like, what is she trying to blame it all with RFKJ as the source of the Kennedy addiction

00:47:55.480 problem?

00:47:56.220 His basement, this part's weird and not great.

00:47:59.100 His basement, his garage, his dorm room were centers of the action where drugs were available.

00:48:04.120 Not that part.

00:48:04.820 We knew that.

00:48:05.560 And he enjoyed showing off how he put baby chickens and mice in the blender to feed his

00:48:10.640 hawks.

00:48:11.440 Ew.

00:48:12.060 It was often a perverse scene of despair and violence.

00:48:15.180 It's not great, but I watched Sarah Palin stand in front of one of those machines that

00:48:20.600 they were just chucking chickens in.

00:48:22.120 And one second they had their heads and the next second they didn't.

00:48:25.220 And like, it was kind of a discussion piece, but it didn't, you know, end her political career,

00:48:30.380 Mark.

00:48:30.540 Well, first of all, I hope that's not the same blender they're using to make smoothies.

00:48:35.700 That would just be my preference, uh, on that.

00:48:38.100 That's not.

00:48:38.740 Tastes like chicken.

00:48:40.280 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:41.380 A little protein rather than the vanilla whey protein.

00:48:44.480 Let's go.

00:48:44.920 It's just a wing.

00:48:46.280 Um, nothing in her letter about making Twizzlers safe again.

00:48:50.380 You know, she's not a big fan or, you know, look, the Kennedys have always been an incredible

00:48:55.600 story for, for the public and for journalists.

00:48:58.180 The, the war between his cousins and his siblings and him is a, is a very compelling story, but

00:49:05.520 I'll be super curious to see it.

00:49:08.480 Like his opening statement, I could write it in my head, right?

00:49:11.040 What will drive this, as you suggested before with the exit theory, what are the Democrats

00:49:15.260 going to ask him about?

00:49:16.240 What are the Republicans going to ask him about?

00:49:18.100 I mean, do they really want to say, Mr. Kennedy, did you put rats and mice and blenders?

00:49:24.160 I don't know.

00:49:24.760 Maybe they do, but to me, the bigger thing is, can he turn the hearing into a discussion

00:49:30.440 of the issues that have struck a chord?

00:49:32.720 Not just, not just saying kids should be healthier, but analyzing what is it about corporate power?

00:49:39.500 What is it about big ag power that has brought us to where we are?

00:49:43.860 If he can focus on that again, I think on the merits, he can be confirmed, but I'd be super

00:49:49.520 curious to see what the senators asked because on policy and personal, there's a, there's

00:49:54.400 a buffet as big as you could find anywhere in Hong Kong.

00:49:58.500 Yeah.

00:49:59.040 I mean, this group, NIH, Dr. Fauci was in the news over the past couple of years for tests

00:50:04.040 that were being done on puppies, actual products that were being done on little puppies, beagle

00:50:09.340 puppies.

00:50:10.300 So, I mean, spare me with their newfound animal rights campaign.

00:50:13.800 They didn't seem to mind when it was the God, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:50:17.620 Mark and Dan, stay with us.

00:50:19.140 Quick break.

00:50:19.720 We'll be right back.

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00:51:41.140 Let's talk about Tulsi, where we are hearing some concerns about this one as well.

00:51:49.160 Like, there's not total confidence that she's going to get through.

00:51:52.820 And here, too, we're starting to see the drip, drip of hit pieces on her.

00:51:58.800 I mean, this one that just dropped in the Daily Beast is ridiculous.

00:52:03.980 First, I'll just give you the color on the hill.

00:52:06.880 Reports that Gabbard's path through the intel committee narrows ahead of a key hearing saying

00:52:13.400 Republicans are cautioning that her path to confirmation is narrowing as she seemingly has

00:52:20.120 trouble winning over key GOP senators.

00:52:23.420 They're saying of the nominees yet to be confirmed, she is the one who has the most tenuous path.

00:52:31.980 She cannot afford to lose a single vote on the intel committee, and they're not sure she's

00:52:36.040 even got all the Republicans on it.

00:52:37.780 But what we see then is a hit piece by the Daily Beast, and I'm sure we're going to see

00:52:42.340 more.

00:52:42.640 We saw one by NBC late last week, which was more substantive, or at least it tried to be.

00:52:46.600 This one is when she was 15, they have a picture of her at an event.

00:52:58.240 Let's see, a ritual dedicated to Chris Butler, the leader of the Science of Identity Foundation,

00:53:03.580 where she was a student at one of its boarding schools, they say this person who she was

00:53:10.160 paying homage to, Butler, had ranted anti-gay hate on a tape in the late 90s.

00:53:21.720 This, I mean, that's it.

00:53:23.440 That's what we've got, Dan.

00:53:25.200 She, when she was a teenager, not even able to drive, they've got a picture of her at some

00:53:30.380 guy's, I don't know, ritual.

00:53:33.680 I don't, it doesn't even see that, seem that here he was saying anti-gay things, just that

00:53:37.780 he did say them.

00:53:39.460 And I suppose the 15-year-old Tulsi should have known exactly what he was saying at all

00:53:44.020 times.

00:53:46.060 I always cringe whenever people bring up elected officials' teenage years.

00:53:51.040 I mean, I can speak for myself.

00:53:52.140 I would not want to have to defend things that I did in my teenage years.

00:53:55.960 But I, look, her problems, I think, are with Democrats, are not with Democrats.

00:54:00.660 They really are with Republicans.

00:54:02.620 And when Lindsey Graham this past weekend on TV, uh, head or kind of did not offer his

00:54:10.280 support, it opened eyes.

00:54:12.560 Um, he is usually on team Trump.

00:54:14.900 He, you know, on occasion will push back a little bit, but the fact that he not only said

00:54:20.000 it was given an opportunity to kind of clean that up and he didn't, didn't take it.

00:54:24.440 But she clearly has problems with some of these kind of what we'll call traditional national

00:54:29.340 security Republicans.

00:54:30.920 And it's interesting because Trump ran on shaking up, not just the DOJ and other departments,

00:54:36.380 but the intelligence agencies and how he looks at the world.

00:54:40.320 And to him, she embodies that.

00:54:42.920 And his, it's his own party that seems to have concerns.

00:54:46.220 Yeah.

00:54:46.820 This is what's so interesting, Mark, is it's like, you know, the, I think of our friend,

00:54:51.340 Glenn Greenwald, I think of our friend Tucker, you know, people who are very vocal about

00:54:58.040 the national security apparatus and how it's been used many times too many on the American

00:55:04.780 people, how there's a great distrust of these agencies and how they're very trigger happy

00:55:10.940 in getting us the whole intelligence apparatus and in coordination with DOJ, DOD into these wars.

00:55:18.620 And one of the reasons they like her is she's more like-minded to them.

00:55:23.400 She's suspicious of these tools we've used.

00:55:26.180 She is not a knee-jerk, Putin's a devil just because he's done bad things.

00:55:30.820 Is there more of a strategic aspect to be examined with somebody like that?

00:55:35.300 The Bashar al-Assad meeting in Syria is going to be a big theme when she appears on Thursday,

00:55:41.060 no question.

00:55:41.700 But all that stuff is kind of the point of her nomination.

00:55:48.480 It is.

00:55:49.240 It's part of why President Trump picked her.

00:55:51.260 He also, like with Bobby Kennedy, very supportive of someone who switched out of the Democratic

00:55:55.320 Party to back him.

00:55:57.420 I think for her, as I said before, performance will be key, particularly on some of these big

00:56:01.800 questions like Syria.

00:56:03.820 You think back to the Hegseth hearing.

00:56:05.300 What helped him as much as anything else besides his performance was the chairman was in his

00:56:10.100 court.

00:56:11.020 And the chairman ran the hearing with an eye towards what's our strategy for getting him

00:56:14.560 confirmed.

00:56:15.300 Part of why Bobby Kennedy, I think, has a problem is the chairman, in his case, is Senator Cassidy

00:56:20.300 with a history of going against Donald Trump and clearly from his public statements, not

00:56:24.340 enthusiastic.

00:56:25.640 What I think Tulsi Gabbard has going for her is Tom Cotton, although I was surprised at how

00:56:30.360 lukewarm he was this weekend.

00:56:32.080 If he goes all in with her as he runs the hearing, she's being introduced by Richard

00:56:38.140 Burr, the former head of the committee, the former top Republican, their retired senator

00:56:42.360 from North Carolina.

00:56:43.660 If the national security establishment of the party can say, yes, she's going to shake things

00:56:50.300 up, yes, she's going to root out the problems of the deep state, but you can trust her to

00:56:56.480 do this job to keep America safe, then I think she's got a much better chance.

00:57:00.500 It has to be not she's just going to shake things up.

00:57:04.180 That's that's half of it.

00:57:05.660 But the other half is she'll keep us safe.

00:57:07.920 Marco Rubio will say that as the new secretary of state.

00:57:11.620 Tom Cotton, as again, has been supportive.

00:57:14.520 But this weekend on a Sunday show was to me, to my ear as a student of Tom Cotton, was not

00:57:20.060 as supportive as he might be.

00:57:21.300 I'll be super curious to see how he runs this hearing.

00:57:24.100 Oh, the big story on X today is people mad that the vote on her is going to happen behind

00:57:29.160 closed doors because the Intel committee is going to do one piece of the hearing in front

00:57:32.980 of everybody where it'll be all, you know, swords and daggers and everybody will try to

00:57:37.120 look super tough and then they'll go behind closed doors to do the classified stuff.

00:57:40.220 And that's where things get real.

00:57:41.940 And that's where they do the vote, too.

00:57:44.080 And many people are upset because they want to know how their senator votes.

00:57:48.000 But I mean, let me stick with you on this, Mark.

00:57:49.860 If if the vote, if she doesn't get out of committee, we're going to find out who's who

00:57:54.720 tanked her.

00:57:56.980 Well, it's not unprecedented to be voted down in committee, but still get a floor vote.

00:58:01.280 And I could see that happening in this case.

00:58:04.000 One of the things about her and Megan, you know this because you know her.

00:58:07.400 She's very winning personally.

00:58:09.560 She she's she comes across as a very nice person and someone you'd want to vote for just

00:58:14.160 in the abstract.

00:58:15.400 But she's been silent.

00:58:17.420 Right.

00:58:17.620 She has some people helping her now who helped Pete Hegseth on his confirmation, but they

00:58:21.920 have not at this, you know, in the eve of the hearing, they've not switched her to publicly

00:58:27.120 making the case for herself.

00:58:28.640 She's following the norm.

00:58:29.840 Like Pete did with me.

00:58:31.660 Well, exactly.

00:58:32.800 Like Pete did with you and not with you and some of the other public statements he made.

00:58:37.500 I have no doubt that that's what turned it around for him by explaining in his own voice

00:58:41.820 and his mom explaining her own voice, as opposed to the old letter email, what what she what

00:58:46.680 he's what's what he was about, why he should get the job.

00:58:49.200 So her willingness to fight the deep state, her willingness to be a different kind of person

00:58:55.200 in this job is a plus for people.

00:58:57.920 I don't think that I don't think the vote will end up being private.

00:59:00.660 I think in the age in which we live, that seems impossible.

00:59:03.800 But I could imagine.

00:59:04.960 But I could imagine her losing Susan Collins in the committee, but still getting to be

00:59:10.300 voted on on the floor if all the other Republicans there vote for her.

00:59:14.840 Hmm.

00:59:15.460 Dan, what is the likelihood that the Democrats use their their time to try to make her look

00:59:23.140 like a spy?

00:59:24.180 Like we've heard it said by Hillary Clinton and others.

00:59:28.100 And then that NBC report was all about Tulsi Gabbard did go over as a Democratic Congresswoman

00:59:32.560 to visit with Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

00:59:34.840 The report was that that was not the stated purpose of the trip.

00:59:37.560 She was supposed to be meeting with lesser thans and that as soon as she got there, the

00:59:41.720 first thing she did was go and sit down with Bashar al-Assad for three hours, which they

00:59:45.800 make a big deal out of.

00:59:47.120 Not normal for a congresswoman.

00:59:48.960 And the clear implication, though not explicit in the piece, was she's a spy.

00:59:53.500 But it's like, what did she then do for Syria?

00:59:57.280 Walk me through how he then recruited her and turned her against the United States.

01:00:01.840 I don't I but I feel like this is where they're going to go.

01:00:05.020 Yeah, there's no love lost for her in the Democratic Party.

01:00:08.300 I mean, it's amazing to think five years ago she was a candidate to be our nominee.

01:00:13.480 And now she is she is on the other team.

01:00:16.980 And so I think there are people who will look to get even.

01:00:19.940 I think some of it will just be raw tribal politics.

01:00:22.580 They don't like the fact that she endorsed President Trump, that she was so vocal in

01:00:29.540 her support and so vocal in her criticism of Harris and Biden.

01:00:33.460 Even going back to the 2020 debate stage, she was one of Harris's toughest critics on

01:00:39.420 those stages during those primary debates.

01:00:42.500 And so I think I would be surprised if there are if there is a Democrat that votes for Tulsi

01:00:49.000 Gabbard, even though there are a few senators who are colleagues of her when they were in

01:00:53.260 the House.

01:00:54.660 I think you will see people, you know, whether she's a spy or some of the things that she

01:00:59.960 has said, you know, recently, it's less for more Trump.

01:01:04.280 They will dig in and really battle against her.

01:01:07.920 Does anyone here think Kash Patel is going to have a hard time getting through?

01:01:11.060 No, no, no, because I think the party, the MAGA world will come to his defense, which,

01:01:17.660 by the way, they're not so far doing to Gabbard or RFK Jr.

01:01:21.880 Oh, interesting.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, they will fully rally around cash.

01:01:24.860 I mean, the FBI, that is a hill that MAGA will die on for sure.

01:01:30.700 But I think he's not going to have any trouble getting through.

01:01:32.660 So we'll spend more time on him as the week progresses, but not today.

01:01:35.240 I want to get to some other stuff that Trump is doing.

01:01:37.160 It truly is like drinking from a fire hose.

01:01:38.920 He there's so much news.

01:01:40.540 He's doing so much like we might be getting rid of the federal income tax like that's

01:01:46.100 I I don't know, but kind of threw it out there.

01:01:51.580 Yeah.

01:01:52.180 OK, I think he said, yeah, listen, it's not 20 where he gave a speech last night in

01:01:56.840 Doral, Florida.

01:01:57.680 America is going to be very rich again, and it's going to happen very quickly.

01:02:01.220 It's time for the United States to return to the system that made us richer and more

01:02:05.500 powerful than ever before.

01:02:06.900 Do you know, the United States in 1870 to 1913, all tariffs and that was the richest

01:02:13.960 period in the history of the United States, relatively speaking, we had no income tax.

01:02:19.100 The income tax came in in 1913.

01:02:21.640 As I said in my speech last week, instead of taxing our citizens to enrich foreign nations,

01:02:27.000 we should be tariffing and taxing foreign nations to enrich our citizens.

01:02:31.940 Does that make sense?

01:02:32.820 If he managed to change the Constitution and and if we got rid of the income tax, Mark,

01:02:40.320 I think the the country really would keep him president for life.

01:02:43.880 I think they'd be so grateful they'd amend it to allow him to stay forever.

01:02:48.520 It has great bumper sticker appeal, as you know, when you start to run the numbers, you know,

01:02:53.860 they're winners and losers.

01:02:54.800 And and so people have advocated for that, have to deal with the fact that it's not an

01:02:59.840 easy sell.

01:03:00.580 And amending the Constitution about anything is basically a nonstarter because of the

01:03:05.200 polarized nature of our politics.

01:03:06.760 So Donald Trump, you know, will float anything and and and see and see what people think.

01:03:12.800 And this has been an issue like term limits that has really been something exciting to

01:03:18.140 a lot of the center right in this country for a long time.

01:03:21.200 And I'm actually surprised he didn't talk about it more when he ran in 2016.

01:03:24.940 I thought it was a ripe topic then and he didn't.

01:03:27.720 So we'll see.

01:03:28.800 He may talk about it obsessively and it may be the literally the last time he ever talks

01:03:32.100 about it again, because that is the nature of Donald J.

01:03:34.620 Trump.

01:03:35.260 We're not done.

01:03:36.140 Not by a long shot.

01:03:37.040 Here's another sound bait of him yesterday in Doro, Florida, listing a bunch of stuff.

01:03:40.700 Listen to SOT 23.

01:03:42.800 I'll be signing four new executive orders.

01:03:46.320 First is that I'm directing our new secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, who's going to be

01:03:51.020 great, by the way, to immediately begin the construction of a state of the art Iron Dome

01:03:56.380 missile defense shield, which will be able to protect Americans.

01:04:00.220 You know, we protect other countries, but we don't protect ourself.

01:04:03.380 And when Ronald Reagan wanted to do it many years ago, luckily, we didn't.

01:04:08.480 We didn't have the technology then.

01:04:09.920 It was a concept, but we didn't.

01:04:11.100 And now we have phenomenal technology next to ensure that we have the most lethal fighting

01:04:15.120 force in the world.

01:04:16.140 We will get transgender ideology the hell out of our military.

01:04:20.580 It's going to be gone.

01:04:24.220 In addition, we will stop our service members from being indoctrinated with radical left

01:04:29.340 ideologies such as critical race theory.

01:04:31.660 We're going to stop it.

01:04:32.580 It's already been stopped.

01:04:33.480 It's already been halted.

01:04:34.760 Totally halted.

01:04:36.700 And finally, we will offer full reinstatement to any service member who was expelled from

01:04:41.800 the armed forces due to the covid vaccine mandate.

01:04:44.980 And we will restore them to their former rank with full pay.

01:04:49.480 Now, this is very popular, especially on the right, Dan, the Iron Dome.

01:04:56.160 I mean, National Review, which, as you know, this is not President Trump's number one fan

01:05:00.140 group.

01:05:00.900 They did a big editorial today praising him for the Iron Dome thing, saying there are a lot

01:05:04.920 of people who think we've spent a couple billion on Israel's Iron Dome.

01:05:08.400 Why don't we have something like that?

01:05:09.960 No, we've never been attacked in that particular way.

01:05:11.620 It would protect against ballistic missiles, that kind of thing.

01:05:13.820 Not a nuclear bomb, but why wouldn't we be looking forward at the future threats, especially

01:05:20.840 in the wake of the whole drone thing?

01:05:22.020 What happened to the drone story?

01:05:23.780 Whatever happened to the drones?

01:05:25.260 We went on Christmas vacation.

01:05:27.280 Everybody forgot about it.

01:05:28.160 Is it still happening, my friends in New Jersey?

01:05:30.320 OK, there's that.

01:05:32.200 Transgender out of military.

01:05:33.220 He said the ideology, but he also means the people.

01:05:35.820 Transgenders are out, pursuant to an executive order yesterday, saying can't have it, can't be

01:05:41.360 dealing with those mental issues or the leave that's needed for the medical procedures.

01:05:45.040 You can't even serve in the military if you have eczema, which I didn't know.

01:05:48.420 And you certainly can't serve if you've got this level of mental challenge.

01:05:52.120 No more CRT, he said, DEI in the military.

01:05:54.380 And that last one is very popular.

01:05:55.960 Full reimbursement, back pay and reinstatement to the existing rank for the some 8000 service

01:06:02.160 members who got booted because they wouldn't take the COVID jab.

01:06:06.220 Your take on all of those, or does one jump out to you as, you know, most worthy of discussion?

01:06:13.360 Well, I think for the Democratic Party, the challenge is there is so much, right?

01:06:18.420 It's shock and awe.

01:06:19.820 And the party is really on its heels.

01:06:22.500 You know what?

01:06:22.980 One of the things that I get, you know, in my inbox all day are emails from Democratic

01:06:26.800 members of Congress.

01:06:28.520 They're they're fundraising solicitations.

01:06:30.580 And one yesterday caught my eye.

01:06:32.640 It was AOC, who, while her politics aren't necessarily mine, I think she is a very authentic,

01:06:38.720 terrific political athlete, just from a pure practitioner standpoint.

01:06:43.120 And she said, you know, a recap of the things that Trump has done to basically make the country

01:06:48.180 worse, in her opinion.

01:06:49.620 Number one was J6.

01:06:51.300 Number two was pulling out of the Paris peace, Paris climate deal.

01:06:55.900 I found it fascinating because what you don't hear in her email and what you don't hear from

01:07:01.660 Democrats is defending DEI policies in, let's say, the military.

01:07:06.720 You don't hear people criticizing the deportation of illegal immigrants who are criminals, right?

01:07:13.460 You don't hear defend defending the COVID policies from years ago.

01:07:18.680 The party doesn't know where to stand its ground and really even what it stands for on these

01:07:23.880 issues, right?

01:07:24.620 Immigration splitting the party, basically, in not just half, but like fourths.

01:07:29.880 And so I think, you know, whether Iron Dome or or, you know, getting rid of the income tax,

01:07:35.760 there's so much out there.

01:07:37.640 And I think this was part of their strategy that Democrats right now in my lifetime, I've

01:07:42.480 never seen us so quiet and so unsure of not just who should speak, but what he or she would

01:07:48.520 say.

01:07:48.800 Yeah, they seem rudderless, Dan.

01:07:51.380 Like, who's the leader?

01:07:53.800 You know, who's the spokesperson for the Democrats these days?

01:07:56.880 Dan.

01:07:58.020 Yeah.

01:07:58.820 Dan.

01:07:59.900 Yeah.

01:08:00.220 They should be so smart as to get you.

01:08:02.000 Well, it's to be determined here, you know, who will step forward for us.

01:08:07.160 I mean, look, it really is an issue because, you know, I'm not the biggest fan of Kamala

01:08:12.860 Harris as a candidate.

01:08:14.380 She's quiet, right?

01:08:15.640 Is she living in New York or, you know, California?

01:08:18.460 Is she running for governor?

01:08:19.140 Joe Biden's obviously gone.

01:08:20.940 The Obamas and Clintons, it's not their thing.

01:08:23.860 Nancy Pelosi appears this time around to have stepped even further back, you know, than she

01:08:29.660 was even just a few years ago when Hakeem Jeffries took over.

01:08:33.380 And look, we all know here Chuck Schumer's, what do they say?

01:08:37.100 The most dangerous place is usually between him and a microphone.

01:08:39.600 And he doesn't seem to want to touch it.

01:08:41.740 You know, even today, ICE in the Bronx, in his state, in his city, deporting illegals who

01:08:48.000 have committed crimes, to my knowledge, I haven't looked in the last hour.

01:08:51.200 He's silent, right?

01:08:53.640 Kirsten Gillibrand, silent.

01:08:55.680 She's the head of the DSCC this cycle.

01:08:57.600 So I don't know who our spokesperson is right now, but I do believe people will emerge in

01:09:03.800 the near future.

01:09:05.160 Well, I'm concerned for you that it might be Joy Reid.

01:09:08.820 I regret to inform you it might be Joy Reid.

01:09:13.420 It's an unfortunate development for you normal Democrats.

01:09:16.280 You should not allow this assent.

01:09:19.320 Tom Homan was our guest the first half hour, and he mentioned this nutcase, who was out

01:09:23.560 there last night comparing the Republicans and the immigration sweep to the Nazis and

01:09:29.700 the Holocaust.

01:09:30.380 Do we have that, you guys?

01:09:31.280 Let's watch.

01:09:33.480 Defeating the Jews of Europe, who they viewed as subhuman, was a question of good conquering

01:09:38.460 evil, which conditioned millions of Germans to celebrate Hitler and turn a blind eye to his

01:09:44.260 brutality.

01:09:45.520 If that sounds vaguely familiar, that's because it is.

01:09:49.040 Similarities to what happened in Germany and what's happening now in America are just

01:09:53.500 undeniable.

01:09:55.100 History may not repeat verbatim, but it sure does rhyme.

01:09:58.720 Trump and Stephen Miller, his former director of speechwriting, depict non-white immigrants

01:10:03.940 as carriers of deadly diseases who are violent terrorists.

01:10:07.360 Trump was returned to the presidency after staging a coup and has exerted control of media or

01:10:13.640 social media in order to parrot anti-immigrant vitriol and openly hateful anti-LGBTQ language.

01:10:20.080 And she finished that whole diatribe, Mark, by accusing Elon of doing a Nazi salute at the

01:10:30.440 Trump rally, which we've been over ad nauseum.

01:10:32.700 I mean, like, I don't, obviously she doesn't have a lot of sway with Democrats, but is it

01:10:38.580 shocking to you that she still has the post she does on MSNBC?

01:10:41.500 No, I mean, there's a, there's a niche audience for that line of discussion.

01:10:49.160 I won't say a reasoning.

01:10:51.540 It's not as big a niche as it was, although their numbers are up a little bit.

01:10:56.440 They're, you know, it's interesting on, on the Republican side, on the MAGA side, people

01:11:00.860 like her, people who create content, people have shows, they're interacting with the, with

01:11:06.340 the officials and they're, they're being really tactical and strategic to say, what are we

01:11:10.860 for that's popular?

01:11:11.860 And how do we sell that to the public?

01:11:13.960 The democratic party, which remains as far left as it's been in our lifetimes, uh, isn't

01:11:19.680 doing that.

01:11:20.300 They're just out there selling what they've been selling to their audience, not trying

01:11:24.860 to think what's wrong with what we're selling.

01:11:28.340 Why isn't it more appealing to a broader group?

01:11:30.720 And her revenue model is apparently wedded to that line, as opposed to trying to think

01:11:36.440 anew.

01:11:36.760 Hmm.

01:11:38.320 You've got, um, CNN not doing much better.

01:11:41.040 Uh, they have Scott Jennings on there as you've surely seen Dan and he's doing yeoman's work

01:11:45.700 trying to defend the Trump administration.

01:11:47.900 He's literally the one Republican they put on with a panel of all Democrats.

01:11:52.440 And I include the anchors in that.

01:11:54.080 And, um, he got into a dustup last night with this woman from the Washington post named

01:11:58.960 Catherine Rampell, who used to be the theater critic, uh, I think over at the times.

01:12:04.040 So this has enabled her to opine on whether, for example, Pete Hegseth is qualified to run

01:12:09.840 the department of defense saying his only real qualification is he was on Fox news kind

01:12:14.420 of just wiping out all that time.

01:12:16.140 He spent with a gun in Iraq and Afghanistan and at Gitmo, um, she's reduced him to a Fox

01:12:22.940 TV host as though Trump had nominated Brian Kilmeade.

01:12:26.760 Um, she's back at it over there and she decides to go after Musk who honestly find me a billionaire,

01:12:36.820 even Bill Ackman, who's, you know, constantly posting on X about 10 seven and what's been

01:12:42.480 happening at universities.

01:12:43.960 And it's probably the main reason Claudine Gay went down at Harvard, like find me a billionaire

01:12:48.960 that's done more to call attention to what's happened to the Jewish people in Israel than

01:12:54.300 Elon Musk.

01:12:54.980 He went over there.

01:12:56.000 He toured it with, uh, Ben Shapiro.

01:12:57.860 He's been wearing a necklace to represent the hostages since a parent of a hostage gave it

01:13:02.720 to him.

01:13:02.940 He said he won't take it off until they're all home.

01:13:04.500 He's made repeated public statements about it.

01:13:06.660 He went to Auschwitz.

01:13:07.860 He recirculates their movies, like calling attention to this.

01:13:11.900 No, he's a Nazi because he did the touch the heart and then the alleged salute thing and

01:13:16.040 watch this exchange she had with Scott Jennings.

01:13:19.100 The first time that Elon Musk decides to declare that globalist Jews are responsible for the

01:13:29.320 great replacement of brown people into the United States, maybe it was a misunderstanding.

01:13:34.480 You know, the second time he said that Jews are pushing hatred against white people, that's

01:13:39.340 a quote.

01:13:40.240 You know, that was a little iffy by the second Sieg Heil.

01:13:44.280 I think he kind of loses the benefit of the doubt to, to be not accused of playing footsie

01:13:50.960 with these Nazis.

01:13:52.000 He has a long record of supporting the Jewish people.

01:13:54.840 Number one.

01:13:55.340 Number two, anybody who is asserting this thing he did on the stage the other day was a

01:14:00.920 Sieg Heil, which I just heard you say, you know, lawyer up maybe because absolute ridiculous

01:14:05.880 thing to say under no circumstances.

01:14:08.780 The Nazis in Germany thought it was a Sieg Heil.

01:14:10.600 Under no circumstances was he doing anything other than expressing enthusiastically his

01:14:17.760 appreciation to the crowd.

01:14:18.240 Why don't you do it on TV right now if you think it's so, you know, good now.

01:14:26.120 I like, I can't.

01:14:28.020 Can I just tell you a little backstory about this woman?

01:14:29.640 So she attacked Pete in the way I said.

01:14:31.940 I came on the air and pointed out she's a theater critic and she should shut up.

01:14:35.640 She doesn't know anything.

01:14:36.240 And then she posted on X, she was all offended because people were writing nasty things to

01:14:42.840 her.

01:14:43.580 Oh, thanks a lot, Megan Kelly.

01:14:45.280 Let me explain something to you, Catherine, about being in the public eye.

01:14:48.260 If you're going to go on CNN and you're going to offer inane opinions, people are going to

01:14:51.920 comment on them.

01:14:52.720 And then you might get some nasty tweets.

01:14:54.540 It's called being an adult on the internet.

01:14:56.840 Grow up.

01:14:57.400 So she doubles down and accuses Elon Musk of a double sig heil.

01:15:01.780 And why is this happening, Dan?

01:15:03.360 Is it because they need to take down Elon?

01:15:05.480 He's too much of a threat.

01:15:06.440 Or is it because identity politics and the opportunity to hit somebody for being anti-Jew

01:15:11.280 or anti-black or anti-what have you is so important to these far left wingers that they

01:15:16.980 just look around for any possible opportunity and then they seize on it.

01:15:20.240 You know, they just see it where it isn't there because they've trained their brains that

01:15:23.400 there are racists and Nazis everywhere among us.

01:15:27.540 Yeah, that that clip was embarrassing and ridiculous.

01:15:30.400 And I think, look, the frustrating thing as a Democrat is, one, there is some data that

01:15:37.660 the country is not comfortable with, like, their business titans in government because

01:15:43.380 they don't necessarily think they're there because they're, you know, completely patriotic

01:15:47.580 and philanthropic.

01:15:48.540 They think there might be in there to to to pad the bottom line and it's in their, you

01:15:53.900 know, business interest.

01:15:55.680 You lose all credibility to start making those arguments or people won't hear them when you

01:16:00.840 start calling them a Nazi and you start, you know, kind of focusing on on on a hand

01:16:06.520 gesture on the stage.

01:16:08.060 Now, if he did it every time he spoke and he ended every meeting like that, OK, different

01:16:14.060 conversation.

01:16:14.640 But as Scott said, to no one's knowledge, is he a Nazi or espouse, you know, hate the

01:16:20.480 Jewish people or he's a bad Nazi.

01:16:23.240 He's a Nazi.

01:16:24.460 He's very bad at it.

01:16:26.020 This is not how it's done, Elon.

01:16:27.600 You do not express love for the Jewish people.

01:16:29.740 You do not lament their hostage taking.

01:16:31.940 You do not go pay homage at Auschwitz to those killed in the Holocaust.

01:16:35.900 It's not a thing that you're doing it all wrong.

01:16:38.660 It's crazy.

01:16:39.840 And I just again, the party doesn't know where to go.

01:16:43.200 I guess it's like trying to, you know, develop new muscles in your body.

01:16:46.260 The old muscles sometimes kick in early on and it's calling somebody a Nazi or, you know,

01:16:51.800 doesn't support democracy has been kind of in vogue, sadly, in my opinion, in the last,

01:16:57.380 you know, four or five months in the party.

01:16:59.040 So I just I it's maddening because, again, there is and it is fundamentally American.

01:17:05.740 We're somewhat distrustful of powerful people.

01:17:08.900 I think that has served our country well.

01:17:11.260 And so, you know, I happen to believe that Elon Musk probably, as he pokes around the

01:17:15.500 government, is keeping an eye on one of his five businesses and thinking, like, is there

01:17:19.860 opportunities here?

01:17:21.080 And so, you know, that is probably a better line of questioning.

01:17:24.340 And you might have to hold your powder dry until there's some good examples.

01:17:27.600 But yes, that that's it's embarrassing.

01:17:31.340 Can I ask you about that, Mark?

01:17:33.320 Yeah, go ahead.

01:17:33.980 Yeah.

01:17:34.500 I have a very high tolerance for crocodile tears because I've watched them shed by both

01:17:38.620 parties throughout my career.

01:17:39.820 But I thought back at after this this made up controversy over Elon Musk's exuberant physical

01:17:47.740 action, which you can find pictures of many Democrats doing to the controversy over the

01:17:54.460 joke told about Puerto Rico at the Madison Square Garden rally.

01:17:58.320 And for five days, for five days, the Democrats told us in the media that this was going to cost

01:18:03.420 Donald Trump the election.

01:18:05.200 And it's hard to imagine.

01:18:07.980 I can't look into the soul of others.

01:18:09.320 It's hard to imagine that there was really any Democrat actually outraged by the joke.

01:18:13.600 These are crocodile tears.

01:18:15.800 And and and they're dangerous for a party trying to rebuild itself, because if they think that

01:18:20.880 the way to identify with the real lives of real people is to accuse Elon Musk of being kind

01:18:27.040 of the Maxwell smart of Nazis, like so bumbling that he that he's doing a version of their salute

01:18:33.720 in front of people.

01:18:34.900 I just I just find it really unfortunate.

01:18:37.000 And again, it's testament to, as Dan said, their reflexes are to to criticize Donald Trump and

01:18:43.920 everyone around him in personal terms.

01:18:46.000 There are things to criticize, but to make up an accusation like this, it's very strange and

01:18:51.900 unfortunate.

01:18:52.420 It just undermines your credibility.

01:18:53.780 Yeah, this is why, like in a courtroom, you have to be very careful, because once you lose your

01:18:59.240 credibility with a judge or the jury, you're toast.

01:19:01.840 You cannot get it back, which is why you don't over promise and under deliver.

01:19:05.660 You don't make big accusations that you cannot support because then they don't trust you anymore.

01:19:11.740 And they don't.

01:19:12.340 They stop listening to you on the critical things that you actually could potentially deliver on for

01:19:16.540 your client.

01:19:17.100 So you just you never do it.

01:19:18.380 And they do it.

01:19:19.060 It's like their favorite trick over on the left.

01:19:21.140 I do want to ask you a question about Elon, two things in the news about him today.

01:19:25.260 This one hit yesterday that Susie Wiles, Trump's chief of staff, kept him out of the West Wing,

01:19:30.620 that he reportedly or his team and he wanted an office in the West Wing for Doge.

01:19:36.500 And she relegated them to the executive office building, Doge entirely and Elon as well.

01:19:44.380 So he's not going to be in the West Wing, suggesting she she's going to rule with an iron fist.

01:19:48.740 This wasn't about Elon, but she's on record as saying, if I don't want any stars, you

01:19:53.540 know, I don't want anybody sort of standouts.

01:19:55.720 President Trump is the star like everybody here is in a supporting role.

01:19:58.840 We work together to advance his agenda.

01:20:00.580 So what does that tell you, if anything?

01:20:06.060 Well, the real estate in the West Wing is pretty rare, right?

01:20:09.380 And there's logical arguments to keep all of Doge across the street for people who don't

01:20:14.400 know the geography.

01:20:15.300 It's not like he's in Siberia.

01:20:17.080 It's you walk across West Executive Avenue and you're right there, steps away from the

01:20:21.240 Oval.

01:20:21.600 So I don't know that this will make that big a difference in how often he's with Donald

01:20:26.360 Trump and what his influence is.

01:20:27.860 And I don't know for a fact that Susie Wiles did this simply for the rational, you know,

01:20:33.000 allotment of office space or she's trying to keep them apart.

01:20:36.380 But Susie Wiles understands Donald Trump pretty well.

01:20:39.300 And my guess is that if Donald Trump wants to be with Elon Musk, you know, in person

01:20:45.020 and face to face, that not only would Susie Wiles not try to do it to try to stop it, I

01:20:50.440 think she'd know she couldn't.

01:20:52.580 Yeah.

01:20:53.140 I mean, you've got you mentioned his five companies, Dan.

01:20:54.960 It's like you forget that not only does he own X, but he's got, yes, SpaceX, that whole

01:20:59.500 thing that's better than NASA.

01:21:01.260 Now he's got the boring company where he's boring through the ground right now with high

01:21:05.820 speed train work.

01:21:06.920 He's got a neural link, which could potentially solve paralysis one day.

01:21:12.000 It's already they're inserting a chip into somebody's brain.

01:21:14.600 They've already done it to allow your brain, just your brain only to control like a computer

01:21:19.180 pad in front of you just with your thoughts.

01:21:21.120 And it's working.

01:21:22.120 That's just step one.

01:21:23.020 Think of where they'll be 20 years from now.

01:21:25.200 Then there's Tesla.

01:21:26.400 I mean, it's insane the number of things he has going on.

01:21:30.000 It's truly like roaming the earth at the same time as an Albert Einstein or, you know,

01:21:35.500 Howard Hughes, one of these larger than life characters who will be remembered for generations.

01:21:39.700 And just like Trump, he will be.

01:21:41.720 His name will be a household name for generations to come.

01:21:44.980 So my own feeling is if he wants access to just keep him happy.

01:21:50.160 Why he the fact that he wants to serve in any capacity is such a boon.

01:21:54.540 And I don't I think the only thing he wants for his companies is less red tape.

01:21:57.540 He's just been so clear about the red tape hassles.

01:22:01.220 But wait, one more question while we're on the subject of Elon.

01:22:04.040 Vivek resurfaced last night after getting pushed out of Doge and tried to tell Jesse Waters he

01:22:10.600 was not pushed out of Doge.

01:22:12.620 Listen.

01:22:14.340 People are saying you didn't get along with Musk.

01:22:16.960 What happened there?

01:22:17.900 I think that's that's incorrect.

01:22:19.240 But what I would say is we had different and complementary approaches.

01:22:21.780 I focused more on a constitutional law, legislative based approach.

01:22:25.620 He focused more on a technology approach, which is the future approach.

01:22:28.840 No better person to lead that technology digital approach than Elon Musk.

01:22:32.880 But when you're talking about a constitutional revival, it's not just done through the federal

01:22:36.120 government.

01:22:36.880 It's done through federalism, where states also lead the way.

01:22:40.220 So I'll have to be saying more on that very shortly, Jesse.

01:22:42.880 All right.

01:22:43.060 So Elon didn't fire you.

01:22:44.900 It's not.

01:22:45.300 We had a mutual discussion.

01:22:46.300 And I think that I wish him well.

01:22:47.420 We're on the same page where divide and conquer in saving the country.

01:22:50.760 It's not a one man show from the top down or the bottom up.

01:22:54.060 It's all of the above.

01:22:55.120 And that's what I'm in for.

01:22:56.520 OK, well, I just listen.

01:22:57.860 I've got to be honest.

01:22:59.000 That did not strike me as as truthful at all.

01:23:01.580 My audience knows I do my Phil Houston spy the lie analysis on everybody, Republican

01:23:05.980 and Democrat.

01:23:07.060 And so is it true you didn't get along?

01:23:09.600 I think that's incorrect.

01:23:11.220 That is not what truth sounds like.

01:23:13.380 If they say, Megan, do you get along with Mark and Dan?

01:23:15.820 I say, yeah, we get along great.

01:23:17.420 I really like those guys.

01:23:18.660 If you say, Megan, do you get along with Bill O'Reilly?

01:23:20.180 I say, well, didn't end well, right?

01:23:24.920 Like, it's come on.

01:23:26.300 I think that's incorrect.

01:23:27.820 Suggests it's true that they didn't they didn't get along.

01:23:31.060 And then the I was working on a constitutional revival.

01:23:34.560 What is that?

01:23:35.040 They were working on Doge.

01:23:36.280 The whole thing is Department of Governmental Efficiency.

01:23:38.160 They were trying to slash prices or efficiency, find efficiency so they could slash costs.

01:23:43.100 Yes, Vivek has written about, you know, constitutional revival, and he's written a lot of interesting

01:23:47.600 things about it.

01:23:48.120 But that that was not the mission at Doge.

01:23:50.080 And lastly, so he didn't fire you.

01:23:52.780 No, it was a mutual discussion.

01:23:54.900 And that's that's contrary to the reporting and also doesn't sound like a truth teller.

01:23:59.000 I just got to be honest.

01:23:59.880 That's that's my take on it.

01:24:01.420 But have you guys done any reporting on this?

01:24:05.000 And you definitely have sources in and around these two, I'm sure.

01:24:08.440 So what do you know?

01:24:09.580 Anyone?

01:24:11.320 Well, the partnership was always a little bit odd to begin with, right?

01:24:15.120 Two really strong willed guys, two guys used to being kind of in charge who knew each other

01:24:20.380 some but not like best friends put in charge of a complicated program, high visibility program.

01:24:26.420 So just the way it was set up originally seemed like it was a recipe for disaster.

01:24:32.340 And then, you know, there were some high profile things, particularly over the skilled worker

01:24:37.580 visas, where I think it was less the cause of the breakup, but gave the Musk side the capacity

01:24:45.500 to say this this isn't going to work out.

01:24:48.480 He does have a very soft landing.

01:24:50.580 He can run go for run for run to be governor of Ohio, probably with Donald Trump's endorsements.

01:24:55.960 And since he wants to be president, he's a lot better off doing that than where he was.

01:25:00.720 So I think in the end, everybody everybody gets what they want.

01:25:04.000 It's a little bit embarrassing for him.

01:25:05.260 And Megan, I will endorse your high human intelligence reading the reading the room on

01:25:10.220 that guy's face.

01:25:11.740 No need for a lie detector strapped to his forehead.

01:25:14.260 You can just watch and listen.

01:25:16.620 Yeah, I think it's better.

01:25:17.900 I honestly think it's better, Dan, for somebody in Vivek's position there to say, yeah, we didn't

01:25:22.400 work out in the end.

01:25:23.100 I love Elon, but, you know, we have two big personalities.

01:25:26.020 He was running herd on it.

01:25:27.020 I had a different view and that's fine.

01:25:28.620 We're all in great hands.

01:25:29.840 I think it's better to just be honest because I think people know.

01:25:33.060 But yes, he's going to go run for governor of Ohio.

01:25:34.980 And how do you like his chances there?

01:25:37.040 Right now they've got Governor Mike DeWine, who is not a MAGA type at all.

01:25:41.700 Ohio's only gotten redder.

01:25:43.260 So how do you like his chances there?

01:25:45.580 And what do you think about the Missouri Democrat senator saying he's not going to run for re-election?

01:25:52.440 So it's an open seat now.

01:25:53.820 That happened to him.

01:25:54.760 Michigan.

01:25:55.480 Michigan.

01:25:56.100 Sorry, Michigan.

01:25:56.620 Michigan, yeah.

01:25:57.560 I mean, look, I think that Vivek probably also would love a Tesla factory in Ohio once

01:26:02.960 he becomes governor.

01:26:04.020 Nothing like delivering a few jobs once you get elected if he is.

01:26:08.720 You know, the prospects for the Democratic Party in Ohio are pretty bleak.

01:26:13.280 Perhaps Sherrod Brown, who is probably the who is the most popular Democrat, but still

01:26:18.720 lost here this last time around, would think about running for governor.

01:26:23.160 I know he's also thinking about running for the Senate seat here because there will be

01:26:27.140 an election coming up here in 2026.

01:26:31.160 And in Michigan, look, count me as someone who was stunned.

01:26:34.820 Gary Peters stepped down.

01:26:36.220 He just has been voting for some of Trump's nominees.

01:26:39.860 He's been aggressive raising money.

01:26:41.700 He's been aggressive on television, kind of trying to straddle the line of his state,

01:26:46.700 which were things you would do if you were getting ready to run for re-election.

01:26:50.680 So I think this is going to be an interesting battle because if you're Trump, this is a chance

01:26:55.700 to get a statewide office holder in that state, perhaps put one of your own and obviously pick

01:27:00.900 up a Senate seat.

01:27:01.720 And if you're a Democrat, you know, what does Mayor Pete do?

01:27:06.560 He was rumored to be thinking of running for governor.

01:27:08.820 Might he run for the Senate?

01:27:10.060 And there are some talented young House members that will think about it.

01:27:14.520 And I think this is a little bit of a fork in the road for the Democratic Party in Michigan.

01:27:18.800 It's fascinating.

01:27:19.780 Trump won Michigan.

01:27:21.280 And, you know, it's but it's not red.

01:27:23.200 It's not Ohio.

01:27:24.180 So the Republicans have got to be eyeballing that seat as like, it'd be great to not have

01:27:28.740 to worry about that fourth vote to 54 is a lot better than 53.

01:27:33.260 Mark, Dan, we'll stay on it as I know you will.

01:27:36.040 It's a pleasure, my friends.

01:27:37.080 Thanks for being here.

01:27:38.480 Thank you, Megan.

01:27:39.260 Thank you.

01:27:40.500 OK, and we'll be right back with a few more stories that we have to bring to you today,

01:27:44.180 including an update on this crazy Justin Baldoni thing.

01:27:46.620 And why does Captain America hate America?

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01:28:48.340 Just a couple more stories that we wanted to get to today, including an update on the

01:28:55.420 Justin Baldoni dust up with Blake Lively.

01:28:59.440 You know that Justin and his team promised to start releasing all of his correspondence

01:29:03.360 with her.

01:29:03.940 They're saying we'll be an open book.

01:29:06.560 This is not a nice person.

01:29:08.060 And Justin bent over backwards to accommodate her many, many demands, which included, according

01:29:13.960 to him, taking over the film, rewriting scenes, all of which is very irregular for the co-star.

01:29:20.040 That's what the producer does.

01:29:21.240 Maybe a director, certainly a writer, none of which she was.

01:29:24.380 But they're saying she decided she wanted to take over and use the power of her fame and

01:29:29.800 name and that of her husband, Ryan Reynolds, to bully Justin Baldoni into the fetal position.

01:29:35.620 And this has been released now.

01:29:38.240 According to TMZ, they're sourcing Justin saying he's following through on his vow to

01:29:43.420 release all his communications with Blake Lively, revealing a nearly seven minute apology.

01:29:48.100 He sent her at 2 a.m. while they were working on the film.

01:29:51.220 It ends with us.

01:29:52.200 You the audience may recall this all got started because she came out in The New York Times

01:29:56.800 alleging that she'd been sexually harassed by him and that he to keep it secret, generated

01:30:03.240 an inorganic Blake socks media campaign against her last summer when the movie was released.

01:30:09.520 It had people like The New York Times and others saying, gee, we have to rethink all the

01:30:13.060 bad press that we read or wrote about Blake Lively were we used by a sexual harasser trying to

01:30:20.560 smear her.

01:30:21.460 And this led Justin to eventually speak out, saying this is all BS that I didn't harass

01:30:28.380 her in any way, shape or form.

01:30:29.860 She tried to steal my movie from her.

01:30:31.760 I bent over backward to accommodate her.

01:30:33.980 Her alleged claims of sexual harassment are complete BS.

01:30:36.960 Here's what really happened.

01:30:38.020 And released their actual texts, putting things like, he watched me breastfeed naked in my

01:30:43.480 trailer in context when we saw texts from her saying, I'm breastfeeding in my trailer.

01:30:47.440 Come on over.

01:30:48.900 And they've gone tit for tat in the nice pun right after the breastfeeding ever since in

01:30:53.860 the media.

01:30:54.300 So this is just the latest salvo.

01:30:55.900 And I will play you a two minute summary of the seven minute groveling apology he sent

01:31:02.520 her in this voicemail at 2 a.m.

01:31:04.860 It's interesting, by the way, he has it.

01:31:06.520 I guess he was taping his own voicemails because this is, according to TMZ, coming from him

01:31:12.440 or his team, not from her.

01:31:14.620 I think the point of it is to show us that he was not some evil harasser.

01:31:19.460 He was as I he was subjugated to her and Ryan Reynolds and clearly afraid of both of them.

01:31:25.240 This guy's been to a little a few too many how to be a feminist classes.

01:31:30.720 Take a listen.

01:31:31.620 Hey, Blake, it is two in the morning.

01:31:38.820 Hopefully this does not wake you up.

01:31:40.840 I want to start with an apology.

01:31:44.760 Man, I reading the second part of your message, my heart sank.

01:31:50.580 And I'm really sorry.

01:31:55.500 I for sure fell short.

01:31:59.060 And you worked really hard on that.

01:32:01.720 And the way you framed it and how that made you feel.

01:32:08.100 And I just want to say thank you for sharing that with me.

01:32:11.140 That takes a lot of trust and vulnerability and damn right.

01:32:18.300 You got great friends if that's how you felt.

01:32:20.940 And they knew that.

01:32:22.520 And we should all have friends like that aside.

01:32:26.200 We think that's Taylor Swift, though we don't know for sure.

01:32:28.540 The three of you guys together.

01:32:31.420 It's unbelievable.

01:32:32.700 Talk about energy.

01:32:34.040 Just to force all three of you.

01:32:37.520 But I just wanted you to know that I didn't need that.

01:32:39.880 Because it's really good.

01:32:41.600 And it's going to make the movie sing like you said.

01:32:43.940 And I'm excited to go through the whole movie with you.

01:32:47.680 I'm just excited to spend time with you.

01:32:49.460 I'm excited to be in your sphere and your presence.

01:32:54.020 And for us to share creative juices together.

01:32:58.520 Although that sounds terrible.

01:33:01.460 You know, I think you and I have been trying to build a relationship.

01:33:06.140 Which I think we've done successfully.

01:33:08.540 I mean, here we are talking like this.

01:33:11.320 Me and my phone at two in the morning.

01:33:12.960 But there's nothing more exciting to me.

01:33:15.740 Like that I get to work with Blake Lively and have her, all of her.

01:33:19.400 Anyways, I have so much more to say.

01:33:20.720 I'm going to stop rambling.

01:33:21.620 Because Jesus Christ, it's been six minutes and 30 seconds.

01:33:24.400 So, f*** me.

01:33:26.060 I'm sorry.

01:33:28.280 You probably have kids all over you and a baby on your boob.

01:33:31.240 And you're listening to me ramble at two in the morning.

01:33:34.480 He's an odd man.

01:33:35.580 This is an odd, odd man.

01:33:36.700 I can't imagine receiving a seven minute.

01:33:38.400 I guess it was a voice memo that he wrote.

01:33:39.960 He did on his own phone center.

01:33:41.300 Why?

01:33:41.840 Nobody wants a seven minute voice memo or voicemail from anybody.

01:33:45.760 Even just a call seems aggressive in 2025, doesn't it?

01:33:48.920 If somebody calls you, it seems aggressive.

01:33:50.240 But never mind a seven minute.

01:33:53.360 So there's speculation that this may be what one of the things, because it sounds like they'd

01:33:58.040 already had their fight that night where Ryan Reynolds reamed him out.

01:34:01.560 But, you know, you tell me whether your husband wants a man calling you at two in the morning

01:34:05.580 and whether there was something between these two that got Ryan Reynolds back up, you know,

01:34:11.060 that made him a little concerned that had her running to the harassment.

01:34:14.740 I swear it was harassment place.

01:34:15.980 It's one of the theories that's out there.

01:34:18.500 What I hear is an emasculated man who is probably not a harasser, but is a bootlicker begging for his star to treat him well and let him participate in his own movie,

01:34:31.780 which doesn't exactly make Justin look great.

01:34:34.600 But it certainly doesn't support her narrative that he was this evil, brutal, bully, sexual harasser.

01:34:40.500 And poor little meek, powerless Blake just had to deal with his aggressive advances.

01:34:45.120 That's just so obviously a lie at this point.

01:34:47.760 Like, I don't know.

01:34:49.180 She's she's made herself into Amber Heard.

01:34:51.460 We all see it.

01:34:52.440 This was a massive disaster for her to unleash this PR campaign against him, which, by the way, Brian Friedman told us she started.

01:35:00.220 She was the one through her PR agent who was dropping negative stories about Justin, not the other way around.

01:35:06.260 She played with fire and now she got burned.

01:35:09.220 This isn't going to end well for you, Blake.

01:35:11.080 Sorry.

01:35:11.400 By the way, his book in 2021 was called Man Enough, Undefining My Masculinity.

01:35:18.460 And he did a whole podcast trying to undefine his masculinity.

01:35:21.880 Justin, you succeeded.

01:35:24.060 You're good.

01:35:24.900 You can you can stop unspooling now because there's no thread left on that thing.

01:35:30.480 OK, Captain America.

01:35:33.260 There's an actor who's playing Captain America and his name is Anthony Mackie.

01:35:37.580 And he decided to do a promotional event Monday in Roma.

01:35:42.420 And here is what he said.

01:35:45.080 For me, Captain America represents a lot of different things.

01:35:48.980 And I don't think the term, you know, America should be one of those representations.

01:35:55.060 Like it's about a man who keeps his word, who has honor, dignity and integrity.

01:36:02.800 Someone who is trustworthy and dependable.

01:36:05.900 Honestly, it's like they want us to hate these Hollywood stars, you know, like Snow White.

01:36:13.840 Well, she's not going to be rescued by a prince.

01:36:16.180 I can tell you that.

01:36:17.780 And now this guy, Captain America, I can tell you what Captain America is not about America.

01:36:22.280 Hello, you complete fool.

01:36:24.200 It's in the name.

01:36:26.160 There's like two things Captain America is about.

01:36:29.060 It's being a captain of America for America.

01:36:33.300 It's written right in there.

01:36:34.500 They idiot proofed it, my friend.

01:36:36.780 You don't even have to try hard.

01:36:38.600 No, it's about being dignified.

01:36:40.660 Oh, because that's not American.

01:36:41.900 You see, why do they keep casting these people in these iconic American roles who hate the country?

01:36:47.400 This is why the right half of the country hates you, Holly weird and Disney and the people who put together these films.

01:36:54.000 I'm sick of this nonsense.

01:36:55.080 So put another one on your list, not to see.

01:36:58.300 Comes out in two weeks.

01:36:59.640 Captain America, who appears to hate the country.

01:37:02.980 Okay.

01:37:03.680 Last but not least, New York Magazine, you won't be surprised, has done a hit piece on conservatives.

01:37:08.500 But this one is so interesting because it's totally backfired on them.

01:37:14.340 They put out, let me just walk you through it.

01:37:16.780 Okay.

01:37:16.920 So first they put out this cover of New York Magazine and it shows an event at inauguration weekend.

01:37:23.620 I think that was put together by C.J. Pearson, who not for nothing is a young black conservative.

01:37:29.440 And the headline for the listening audience is the cruel kids table, the cruel kids table for New York Magazine.

01:37:37.600 And what you see on the front is a collection of absolutely beautiful, happy, seemingly optimistic world at our fingertips, 20s and 30s folks celebrating Trump's win and the promise that it brings for what again?

01:37:56.900 America.

01:37:57.660 That's for you, Captain.

01:37:58.740 And what we got from New York Magazine was a smear piece that tried to tell us they're racists and cropped the picture to eliminate the black participants.

01:38:10.700 So look at the larger picture, the larger spread that appeared inside the magazine, but not on the cover, where you can see on screen left, there are one, two, three, at least four black men who have been cropped out of the picture.

01:38:28.220 Um, it's really shocking.

01:38:31.340 I mean, I guess it's not that shocking, but it's an obvious hit piece on MAGA and what they've actually wound up doing.

01:38:37.820 And I do mean they, because the person who wrote this uses the pronoun they, I'm sorry, but they is taken Brock Colyar.

01:38:45.860 They is not available to you.

01:38:47.580 I think Brock is a, he going by they, I refuse.

01:38:51.020 I'm, I'm going to call you.

01:38:52.460 He Brock thinks he has it all figured out.

01:38:55.360 And then I guess if he just puts a bunch of beautiful white people on the cover of New York Magazine, it's going to make us hate MAGA.

01:39:01.160 What I think is going to happen is young, bitter, shaved head leftists with their little blue bracelets and their huge glasses are going to look at these youthful, gorgeous, glowing, optimistic world at their fingertips.

01:39:18.720 Young people and say, I wish I could get in.

01:39:22.760 I want in with that cruel, with that not cruel, cool crowd and not look at them as the cruel table because the evidence of cruelty is they say the word retard and they're not sorry.

01:39:33.920 Okay, that is a backlash against wokeism where people have had it with having their language policed.

01:39:43.140 This guy, I think, tried to win me over and stop me from doing the segment at the end where he tried to compliment this show saying he had apparently taken to it.

01:39:50.920 I have no idea really what it was, but he was saying that these folks no longer have any patience for identity warriors.

01:39:57.380 He said, a friend and I started swapping clips of MK on Instagram.

01:40:01.540 We thought they were hilarious.

01:40:02.660 Our favorite was her take on the fires in LA.

01:40:04.340 The last thing I want to see if I'm burning in a burning building is A, a woman and B, an obese woman.

01:40:09.540 You're almost there.

01:40:10.300 But in any event, they still don't get MAGA.

01:40:13.820 They don't get old MAGA.

01:40:15.120 They don't get middle MAGA.

01:40:16.320 They don't get young MAGA.

01:40:17.820 And that is why they will continue to lose and remain rudderless as we discussed with Dan Turrentine.

01:40:25.000 Thanks for joining me today.

01:40:25.920 We'll see you tomorrow from D.C. after the RFKJ hearings.

01:40:31.220 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:40:33.500 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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