The Megyn Kelly Show - No Cocaine Culprit, CNN's Dylan Mulvaney Apology, and Hunter Investigation Questions, with Michael Knowles and Margot Cleveland ｜ Ep. 587

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.700 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and happy Thursday.

00:00:16.140 Later, we're going to take a deep dive on the latest in the world of Hunter Biden.

00:00:19.280 Oh, it's a dark world.

00:00:20.800 With a reporter for The Federalist and top attorney who has been covering this story extensively.

00:00:26.240 But we begin today with Cocaine White House.

00:00:28.320 There is news. This morning, the Secret Service held a briefing for Congress and declared they didn't find anyone and they won't be finding anyone because they're giving up.

00:00:39.260 They're giving up. There's no suspects, nor do they care to continue investigating.

00:00:43.940 The Secret Service narrowed the list of possible suspects to 500 people, they said, and then declared that no DNA nor any fingerprints could be found on the bag containing the cocaine.

00:00:58.320 So case closed. So convenient. Here with me now, cocaine expert Michael Knowles.

00:01:04.260 No, he's not. He's not. But he is host of The Michael Knowles Show on The Daily Wire.

00:01:08.580 Michael, great to see you. Look, I don't.

00:01:11.840 It's probably not Hunter Biden's, but the whole thing has me thinking it's good to be a Biden.

00:01:18.440 It's really good to be a Hunter Biden, a Joe Biden.

00:01:21.080 You have everyone running interference for you or just a Democrat.

00:01:24.880 You know, it's great to be a Supreme Court leaker and have the Supreme Court marshal cover up for you and probably chief justice because they didn't look at that one either.

00:01:35.200 I just. Oh, did this just in Gail from the U.S. Supreme Court marshal's office is taking over the cocaine White House investigation.

00:01:41.400 We'll get exactly the same result. You know, they don't they don't go after Hunter on his most severe tax evasion for all his Burisma payments he got when Joe was VP.

00:01:51.480 They don't go after Hunter on his drug crimes, even though his dad was the biggest proponent of going after everyone on drug crimes during his years as a legislator.

00:02:00.840 And if cocaine shows up in the Biden White House as opposed to like a Trump White House, they don't really have a lot of interest in it.

00:02:08.140 Who are they trying to kid that? I firmly believe if they really wanted to get to the bottom of this, they would have.

00:02:13.840 What do you make of it? Well, they could just think of the flawed methodology that they're pursuing in the investigation.

00:02:19.020 If you want to find out who's coke it is, you don't look at the fingerprints, you look at the nostril prints.

00:02:23.940 And something tells me if they took the nostril prints of the first son, who knows?

00:02:28.360 So maybe they would find something interesting. This is why I think the evacuation of the White House was so brief.

00:02:34.780 You know, when they found the white powder, they had to tell everyone in the West Wing to get out very quickly.

00:02:40.240 But then soon enough, they allowed people to get back in when they remembered that Hunter Biden does not snort anthrax.

00:02:46.720 So it's an episode that will will simply fall away to history.

00:02:51.840 No one will do anything about it. And as, as funny as it is that this narcotic that the first son has a predilection for is turning up in the White House.

00:03:01.320 The far more serious crimes, of course, are peddling his father's influence, cheating on his taxes.

00:03:07.580 Forget about even the other sex and drug crimes.

00:03:10.060 Just the major aspects of public corruption that Hunter Biden is is getting off without even the slightest consequences for.

00:03:18.480 Yeah, it's just again, I don't know whose cocaine it is any more than anybody else does.

00:03:23.500 But this is the first time in recent history that I can think of where we had a known coke addict in the White House on a regular basis.

00:03:31.760 And suddenly coke shows up in the White House and then there's an inability to find out who did it and an unwillingness to continue the investigation.

00:03:39.080 So all those things are very convenient facts.

00:03:42.000 Congressman Tim Burchett, Republican from Tennessee, was at the classified briefing today or the they had it in the skiff.

00:03:49.920 And this is his reaction having walked out of it.

00:03:53.120 I just left the most ridiculous meeting of all time with the Secret Service, all the cocaine that was found in the in the White House.

00:04:03.200 So it turns out they don't know who did it.

00:04:06.520 The investigation is going to be over the end of the week and they're not going to find out who did it.

00:04:11.960 And that's basically it.

00:04:13.620 Another cover up, you know, it's the most secure building in the entire world.

00:04:17.480 You can't go in there.

00:04:18.580 They have facial identification.

00:04:19.980 You got to give your social security number.

00:04:22.520 Nobody, even the press, nobody goes in there without them knowing.

00:04:27.080 This is a bad look on the Secret Service and a horrible look on this White House.

00:04:32.840 Is he right?

00:04:34.600 What's the Secret Service going to do?

00:04:36.820 Ultimately, they're all answering to the big guy, the big guy who gets 10%.

00:04:40.560 And it's quite clear that if the Biden DOJ is going to attack Biden's political enemies,

00:04:46.500 and if the Biden DOJ is going to let the president and his family off the hook for not only suspected crimes of very high public corruption,

00:04:56.620 but crimes we've caught in some cases in text messages, in emails, on video, on terabytes worth of of images,

00:05:04.920 then, of course, they're going to let the guy get away with a dime bag of Coke.

00:05:07.980 You know, I have to say, if there actually were a desire to get to the bottom of this,

00:05:12.920 I mean, let's say it's an alternate scenario in which it's a piece of a bomb that they found in the cubby.

00:05:19.340 You don't think the Secret Service would be able to find the guy.

00:05:22.360 You don't think the Secret Service would be interviewing those 500 witnesses because they know who all of them are.

00:05:26.860 As the congressman was pointing out, you know exactly who goes into the White House and when over that limited period of time.

00:05:32.740 And there's just not a desire.

00:05:35.100 I realize it was not a huge amount of Coke.

00:05:37.300 But the point is, is there a Cokehead in the White House? 0.77

00:05:39.960 It was right outside of the Situation Room, or at least not far from the Situation Room, which is under construction.

00:05:44.460 But my point is, they have access.

00:05:46.580 They were pointing out earlier, it's not far from where the vice president parks her limousine.

00:05:51.560 Then, let's find out.

00:05:53.780 Trump is out there saying, we can't have a Cokehead in the White House. 1.00

00:05:57.740 Not a bad point.

00:06:00.000 They would be able to find out if only they would investigate.

00:06:03.980 And why did they have to wrap it up within a week of the news breaking?

00:06:09.440 This is a matter of real public concern, the aspect of, let's say it's not Hunter Biden.

00:06:14.220 Let's say that it's just somebody else in the White House.

00:06:17.080 I've been to the West Wing on precisely one occasion, but you learn a lot when you walk in there.

00:06:22.420 Which is the first thing you notice is, it's pretty small.

00:06:25.220 It's a lot smaller than you think it's going to be.

00:06:27.260 Second thing you notice is, the security is very tight.

00:06:30.280 There are cameras everywhere.

00:06:31.420 There are always people watching your every move.

00:06:33.880 And as you say, Megan, there is a record of every single person who is every single place in that area.

00:06:39.640 So these are, with the exception of a handful of very specific guests, there are influential, very powerful people who are walking around here.

00:06:50.820 And so if a cabinet secretary, if a member of the senior staff, if a member of the NSC is a Cokehead, that actually does have implications for public policy beyond some tabloid journalism about people doing drugs in places they shouldn't be doing them. 0.95

00:07:05.820 It's worse than Hunter Biden. It's way worse if somebody who's actually making policy and advising the president on policy is on serious drugs.

00:07:15.160 So they don't care, just like they didn't care.

00:07:17.560 The fix was in from the beginning on that Supreme Court leaker.

00:07:19.860 And these two things have direct parallels, because in that case, too, they said we didn't find her or him and we're done and we're not going to investigate any further.

00:07:30.340 We're not going to kick it to the FBI in the Supreme Court case here.

00:07:33.680 I suppose we're supposed to just say the Secret Service couldn't get to it.

00:07:36.500 And so therefore no one could.

00:07:37.760 And we're just ready to put a bow on it and move on, which is one of the things that makes it so suspicious.

00:07:44.680 Why wouldn't why does it need to be over?

00:07:46.400 There's not some deadline for you to end the investigation by tomorrow.

00:07:50.640 This just happened.

00:07:51.580 I think July 2nd was the day it was found.

00:07:53.340 So what we're at or July 13th.

00:07:55.580 Let's go.

00:07:56.340 What's the problem?

00:07:57.200 Yeah, I don't get it.

00:07:58.900 This is what unites.

00:08:00.240 I think those two examples is the political circumstance that would force the powers that be to be forthright.

00:08:06.820 When it comes to the Supreme Court, nobody's really got control over the Supreme Court.

00:08:11.400 So if the chief justice doesn't want to release the results of the investigation, if he doesn't want to hold the leaker to account, that's his prerogative.

00:08:18.020 And none of us are going to bring to bear any political pressure to stop it.

00:08:20.880 Well, the same thing goes here.

00:08:22.400 The Biden White House knows that we're not going to press hard enough when it comes to the cocaine found in the White House.

00:08:27.240 We're mostly just going to sort of snicker at it and make Hunter Biden jokes.

00:08:30.300 And with all of the other scandals before the Biden administration, they know that Republican firepower is going to be elsewhere.

00:08:38.020 And so they're going to take this one as a freebie.

00:08:40.680 And Republicans are going to try to focus more of our attention on, I don't know, the border crisis or the impending World War III or the apparent selling of state influence by the Biden family.

00:08:53.440 And we're going to try to focus there. And so this issue is just a matter of political circumstance.

00:08:59.060 It's not going to have enough pressure to make them do anything.

00:09:03.060 You've got Hunter Biden getting a complete pass on his most severe crimes.

00:09:09.300 They intentionally, I believe, let the statute of limitations run on the most severe crimes before charging him with these minor violations and cutting a sweetheart plea deal for him.

00:09:19.380 And then you've got a totally unwillingness to investigate the most severe allegations of potential bribery when Joe Biden was the sitting vice president, suggesting that he took millions from Burisma, this energy company that his son did as well, in exchange for him getting, among other things, this chief prosecutor fired in Ukraine who was looking into Burisma.

00:09:41.180 They don't want to investigate this, Michael. They're not interested in that.

00:09:45.260 It's another area in which those in charge just sort of shrug their shoulders and say, you know, I'm sure it's just these mean Republicans.

00:09:52.400 And meantime, then flash forward to today and you've got an FBI trusted confidential informant in this form, 1023 form that suggested this this current occupant of the White House has been on the take for a while, has subjected himself to bribes.

00:10:10.580 And the FBI initially told Congress when they asked for the document, it didn't exist and then stonewalled them for weeks when they said, we know it exists, hand it over.

00:10:19.720 Then when they had to admit finally that it existed, wouldn't let them take a look at it.

00:10:23.380 Then only when threatened with contempt to Christopher A finally buckle and provide the document.

00:10:29.000 And that's when you had middle road congresswomen like Nancy Mace coming out and saying, I just saw documents that that suggests Joe Biden committed bribery, was on the receiving end of a bribe.

00:10:38.460 I mean, that that's why I say it's good to be a Biden.

00:10:41.620 It's not it's not a one off.

00:10:43.460 It's it's not even just about power or money.

00:10:46.560 It's about being at the top, top, top of this political echelon where everyone runs cover for you, even the press.

00:10:54.840 Joe Biden is a pretty wealthy guy for someone who's been in public service since 1972.

00:11:01.180 The man has been in the government in supposed public service for half a century now,

00:11:07.400 and he's got a pretty nice Rolex watch collection.

00:11:10.160 And more to the point, his close family members all seem to wear really nice suits and seem to have a really nice standard of life.

00:11:17.500 So how did they make that money?

00:11:19.520 Obviously, it was plain old regular corruption, maybe more pronounced by the Biden family than you see in in other political dynasties, especially on the left.

00:11:29.520 But it this is the the ordinary story of states.

00:11:33.980 This is the is this ordinary run of the mill political corruption that happens to be taking place at the highest level in the most powerful country in the history of the world.

00:11:42.480 And and the saddest part about all of it is is not how shocking this sort of thing is.

00:11:47.560 It's that it's not shocking.

00:11:49.000 It's that we're all shrugging our shoulders about it.

00:11:51.080 It's that we all know exactly what happened.

00:11:52.960 It's that we read those text messages from Hunter Biden to the Communist Party apparatchik in China saying, I'm sitting next to my father.

00:11:59.480 Send me the money right now.

00:12:00.580 We hold a crudge like no other.

00:12:02.140 And we know that that sort of thing happens.

00:12:03.800 We know that Hunter Biden has no expertise in Ukrainian energy, in energy of any kind, in anything of any kind for that matter.

00:12:10.200 And we know that he was he was getting payouts hand over fist from Burisma.

00:12:14.200 And we saw his father on video say he was firing the prosecutor who was looking into Burisma and withholding potentially a billion dollars of American aid.

00:12:22.840 And we just see it all.

00:12:24.080 And we say, well, I guess that's the way that our government works now.

00:12:28.420 And and our lack of indignation, frankly, is is the most damning aspect.

00:12:32.560 None of these people running cover, at least in the press for Joe Biden, is pausing to ask themselves whether they have it wrong on him, whether this actually is not some sweet, avuncular guy, Uncle Joe.

00:12:47.620 No, but really somebody who's been out for years to lie to the public, whether it's his plagiarism or his boldface lies about his own policy and his history or just to manipulate the public such that he can line his own pockets or those of his son or those of his brother.

00:13:04.620 I mean, why is Jim Biden getting a pass?

00:13:06.600 Why is the brother involved in everything so absurd?

00:13:09.080 Like what? Why weren't people jumping up and down when they learned that a hundred Biden and Jim Biden got completely rich every year of the vice presidency for Joe Biden and thereafter and continue to enrich themselves?

00:13:20.000 When I saw Hunter Biden was balking at paying 20 grand a month for his love child with the former stripper down in Arkansas, my first question was, how's he still making the kind of money where he could pay anybody 20 grand a month?

00:13:31.300 Of course, he went in there to say he couldn't afford it.

00:13:33.060 But where was all this?

00:13:34.380 What does Hunter Biden do?

00:13:35.980 Right.

00:13:36.200 Bo Biden.

00:13:36.820 I think he was the attorney general for the state of Delaware.

00:13:38.520 Okay, I get that.

00:13:39.900 What does Hunter Biden do that's allowed him to afford that kind of dough for this long?

00:13:45.200 And what does Jim Biden do?

00:13:47.280 I've always had such respect for you.

00:13:48.940 I can't believe you're such a Philistine. 1.00

00:13:50.860 You're so deeply uncultured that you're not familiar with Hunter Biden's beautiful dot art doodle doodle paintings that are netting him half a million dollars each.

00:14:01.660 Listen, I'll come over sometime.

00:14:04.780 We can sip red wine and listen to classical music and enjoy the beautiful artwork of Hunter Biden, which is the nearest thing to a hard skill the man has.

00:14:15.240 And it's the sort of thing that my two and a half year old son could do right now.

00:14:19.020 So obviously, to your point, it's a total grift and it's a grift from from the whole family.

00:14:24.080 And I think you're right also that, you know, beneath the old happy Uncle Joe exterior, there's a really nasty person down there.

00:14:33.300 And those of us who've been paying attention to Joe Biden and to politics for a while have seen this come out.

00:14:37.860 The willingness to lie as though he couldn't even discern the difference between lies and truth, the willingness to say really nasty lies about his political opponents. 0.98

00:14:49.380 Mitt Romney wants to put black people in chains.

00:14:51.180 He even told on a more personal level, nasty lies about the man who was involved in that tragic car accident with his with Joe Biden's wife and very pointed and decided lies after that man had died, lying about him being inebriated, lying about all sorts of things in the man's life that were clearly intentional. 0.79

00:15:12.880 And now on that personal aspect, you see this most clearly in Joe Biden's refusal to acknowledge one of his grandchildren.

00:15:21.520 And I'm I'm pointing this out and because I think it's my least favorite thing about the guy.

00:15:28.480 He he's an ordinary run of the mill blow in the wind, empty suit politician.

00:15:33.560 They're a dime a dozen.

00:15:35.120 The thing that's particularly nasty about him is this guy's a four year old granddaughter out there somewhere.

00:15:40.160 Her grandfather is the president of the United States, and he constantly refuses to acknowledge her.

00:15:45.860 He puts up six stockings at the White House, intentionally leaves her out of it.

00:15:51.160 Reportedly, the Biden campaign is telling senior staff, don't you ever acknowledge this granddaughter.

00:15:56.500 And you think just at a personal level, what a horrible way to grow up.

00:16:00.280 Talk about the complex that a kid is going to get when her grandfather is in the White House.

00:16:05.920 And yeah, maybe her dad, Hunter, is a complete unrepentant degenerate.

00:16:09.220 OK, fine.

00:16:10.720 But what about her grandpa, who's supposed to be this virtuous guy that everyone's supposed to like, who has this position of prestige and authority to be so cruel to a four year old girl? 0.98

00:16:18.860 You've you've got to be a monster on the inside to do it. 0.55

00:16:22.520 I know I've been saying it's it's one thing. 0.89

00:16:25.240 Look, if this happens in your own private life and you've got a son who has a child out of wedlock and the son chooses not to be involved in that child's life.

00:16:33.360 And it's all a matter of private citizens making private decisions that, you know, relationships are not going to be anything other than toxic.

00:16:40.680 That's one thing. This is something very different where this girl knows she knows Joe Biden is her grandfather.

00:16:47.740 She knows that she's the granddaughter of the sitting president of the United States.

00:16:51.880 And while she's only four, that's probably not as meaningful to her yet.

00:16:55.720 She's about to get a little older to where it's going to get more meaningful and is going to get more meaningful to her classmates.

00:17:00.800 And she's in for a world of teasing and pain, as Maureen Dowd and her sister pointed out in that New York Times column.

00:17:08.140 So it is cruel. And Joe Biden has no excuse for this.

00:17:11.820 His whole persona is about being, as I said, the avuncular guy and the family man and family's most important.

00:17:18.700 Well, let's see it. And instead of instead of him owning up to any piece of this or Hunter Biden and then the press really holding him to account.

00:17:27.020 Credit to the New York Times for those pieces. Notwithstanding, here's the messaging you get from, let's say, the view.

00:17:34.500 All right. The view took up. They've been kicking around the issue of him being a grandfather for the seventh time.

00:17:41.000 But but here's they were talking about this piece that ran in Axios about Joe Biden's temper, which you just mentioned, and how nasty he is after promising that if you were disrespectful to staff on in his White House, you'd be fired immediately.

00:17:53.380 Turns out he's running around. I mean, I'm a swearer, Michael, as you know, so that's one thing.

00:18:00.200 But there's a big difference between saying like, where the F is it and saying you're a fucking loser. 1.00

00:18:07.340 You know, you're a fucking idiot. I'm sorry. But like that's a there's a big difference between that. 1.00

00:18:11.160 Just ask anybody who's been on the receiving end. And he's doing the latter repeatedly to staff to the point where they don't want to go talk to the guy one on one.

00:18:18.780 And here is the view. I guess I need to set it up. I'm not sure how we cut it, but they were picking up in a comment made by Kennedy over on Fox News.

00:18:28.140 Kennedy is a jokester. You know, she she's like a comedian. 1.00

00:18:31.100 And she was joking that Joe Biden's angry temper and swears made her feel attracted to him.

00:18:39.140 Trust me, that's not how Kennedy feels. And what did you say? It's in there.

00:18:43.800 OK, so there here's a little bit of that and the view then reacting to it. And then listen to where Joe Joy Behar takes it.

00:18:51.800 Kind of turned me on when I heard that the president gets angry and volatile and not alive.

00:18:55.740 I think it was just someone being angry make you turned on by Biden's anger. I am, too. I like it.

00:19:03.240 You like it. I do. Well, you have said that before. I like that. I mean, he's such a mild man. It's sweet guy.

00:19:08.240 But, you know, he's not. We've heard. Listen, he has dropped more F-bombs than I have.

00:19:12.860 Uncle Joe over the years. Uncle Joe has done that.

00:19:16.360 I mean, over the years, we've heard him off mic say stuff. I mean, he is a he's a regular guy.

00:19:21.500 I don't want two men, white men shouting at each other for the next year and a half until the.

00:19:26.120 He doesn't shout. He doesn't. He has not shouted.

00:19:28.760 It's all in there. Sweet. You know, Uncle Joe does do that. He's just a regular guy.

00:19:37.320 So taking it away from the abusive staff and just putting it on the swearing, which, as I pointed out at the top, these are two different things.

00:19:44.340 But just running excuses for him from start to finish and then finishing with the piece de resistance. 0.68

00:19:49.960 He's a white guy. I don't want to look at that's the Republican on the panel.

00:19:53.140 She doesn't want to look at the white guy running.

00:19:55.380 And if you go on, they talk about how Joy Behar's belief that Joe Biden gets away with talking like this because of the white male patriarchy.

00:20:03.460 I mean, it was all there, Michael.

00:20:05.420 That's the most conservative opinion you're going to get on The View, no doubt.

00:20:09.320 And they're going to run the story on Biden yelling just like all of the networks are running it because Axios reported on it.

00:20:16.380 And my take is a little different than other people's here in that I don't think this was just a damaging leak for the Biden campaign to Axios that now we're all seriously debating.

00:20:28.500 I think this was a strategic leak by the Biden campaign because while in a way it doesn't make him look great, makes him look a little nastier than we might have thought.

00:20:38.080 But at a deeper level, it makes people kind of like him when Joy Behar and Kennedy jokingly say, oh, it kind of turns me on.

00:20:46.980 I'm more attracted to him now.

00:20:48.680 I think that was the point of the leak because while this is somewhat damaging, the point of this kind of a leak is to counteract the more damaging narrative, which is that Joe Biden's a vegetable.

00:20:58.440 So how do you counter the narrative that we all see with our own eyes, which is that Joe Biden doesn't know what end is up.

00:21:03.580 He mumbles his words.

00:21:04.560 He kind of walks around like a zombie.

00:21:06.060 Well, the way you counter that is you say, no, this guy, he's really vigorous.

00:21:10.120 He's yelling all the time and he's saying, gee, dee it, I want to know the answers to this.

00:21:17.160 And how do you not know this effing answer to this question?

00:21:19.700 And so beneath even that, those examples that you see in Axios is the premise that Joe Biden, he knows the real answers to these questions.

00:21:28.240 He knows the details better than his staff members.

00:21:30.440 And he expects higher standards so that they can keep up with him.

00:21:34.120 I think it's BS.

00:21:35.460 I think it was out there so that people don't realize that the man's being held up by marionette strings.

00:21:40.560 Interesting theory.

00:21:41.700 I mean, it is curious that these pieces are starting to appear for the first time now.

00:21:46.960 You know, there's a belief by some that it's an effort by some in the press to get rid of him, pressured by Democrats, realizing he can't do it.

00:21:54.400 You know, he's not going to be able to win or sustain his potential second term.

00:21:59.340 We're going to be stuck with her.

00:22:01.020 I don't know what the reason is, but I will tell you this.

00:22:04.040 My crack team.

00:22:05.360 Get it?

00:22:05.840 Crack team. 0.88

00:22:06.420 Hunter Biden.

00:22:07.000 It's about Hunter Biden.

00:22:08.320 They pulled this description by the gallery offering Hunter Biden's art.

00:22:14.200 Look at this.

00:22:15.020 Even I could paint this.

00:22:16.040 This is like paint by numbers.

00:22:17.780 I think I did this when I was in the third grade.

00:22:20.120 This is the description.

00:22:22.300 A lawyer by profession, Hunter Biden now devotes his energies to the creative arts, bringing innumerable experiences to bear.

00:22:29.580 The results are powerful and impactful paintings, ranging from photogenic to mixed media to the abstract.

00:22:35.940 His chosen substrates are canvas, Yupo paper, wood, and metal, on which he affixes oil, acrylic, ink, along with the written word, all of which creates a unique experience that has become his signature.

00:22:51.800 Has it?

00:22:52.800 Has it?

00:22:52.960 Wow.

00:22:54.040 I assumed his chosen medium were etch-a-sketch or the back of a bar napkin or something like that.

00:22:59.720 But I guess he's, he's moved up to canvas.

00:23:02.760 The most offensive part of that entire line, beyond the silly jargon and that awful word impactful, it's one of the worst words in the English line.

00:23:11.420 How can something be full of impact?

00:23:12.780 It's a topic for another time.

00:23:14.220 But, but the most offensive part of the description was a lawyer by profession.

00:23:19.840 Hunter Biden is not a lawyer by profession.

00:23:21.700 He's a rich kid from a famous family who went to Yale Law School and, to my knowledge, has never actually practiced law in his entire life.

00:23:31.220 He's broken the law for his entire life and his actual profession is being a career criminal.

00:23:36.740 But I guess they didn't want that on the museum poster.

00:23:39.580 If you or I or any of our listeners and viewers right now did half of the things that Hunter Biden has been accused of, we would be sitting in a jail cell.

00:23:49.640 That's the truth.

00:23:50.520 We'd be sitting in a jail cell.

00:23:52.200 The fact that this guy over and over and over again flouts the law and gets away with it is on us.

00:23:59.940 You know, it's on us because we're supporting the system that allows it.

00:24:03.520 You know, this is one of the things they were trying to get to at yesterday with Christopher Wray, which was basically a waste of time when he testified before Congress.

00:24:10.160 He's too slippery.

00:24:11.420 He's too smart.

00:24:12.460 And the GOP did not coordinate well enough on like, this is going to be the line of question and we're going to be on it like a dog with a bone, you know, trying to get answers on like, go ahead, define disinformation.

00:24:21.800 Why did you censor the people?

00:24:22.980 Or what did you do to push back against Merrick Garland when he said target the parents at the school board meetings?

00:24:27.580 What did you do?

00:24:28.700 Did you find it objectionable?

00:24:29.840 Like, it was all just left there.

00:24:31.920 But in any event, any of these guys would have come after us.

00:24:36.000 And we continue to support these systems.

00:24:37.860 We continue to reelect people like Joe Biden.

00:24:40.100 He's been, you know, Hunter Biden's been at this for a long time.

00:24:42.420 And look, he could still win again.

00:24:44.640 We could put Hunter and Joe back in the White House a second time without any of this going anywhere.

00:24:50.240 So let me ask you, let me shift gears on that, on the FBI hearing yesterday.

00:24:53.860 Did you watch any of the attempted cross-examination or attempted defense by the Dems of the FBI director?

00:25:00.020 I watched as little of it as I possibly could have.

00:25:03.940 I did catch this one great moment where a member of Congress got Ray unwittingly to kind of admit that Joe Biden might be under investigation in Delaware.

00:25:15.620 But then Ray very quickly walked it back and then stonewalled, as he and the DOJ have so long done.

00:25:23.600 They say, we can't comment on any of the active investigations.

00:25:27.060 It's the policy never to talk about who's a Fed or what our tactics are or what we're going after or who we're going to hold accountable.

00:25:33.200 So I thought, you know, I've got better things that I can do with my day.

00:25:35.920 I can go for a walk outside.

00:25:37.580 I don't know.

00:25:37.960 I can drink a seltzer.

00:25:39.140 I can do literally anything will be more edifying than hearing this man stonewall the Congress. 0.97

00:25:44.660 This this soundbite is the one I was kind of referring to about the parents and the school board meetings, which was just so annoying to me because of all the overreaches by the DOJ.

00:25:54.500 And look, the prosecution of Donald Trump is number one.

00:25:58.620 Obviously, this is the one that resonated on a personal level for so many parents across the country who had never been to a school board meeting in their lives that most of them couldn't tell you when they are held or who's on the board.

00:26:11.360 But the overreaches during covid made them show up and the weird sexualization of the classrooms made them show up and the indoctrination in the weird gender ideology made them show up.

00:26:23.060 And then they got threatened as domestic terrorists.

00:26:25.540 So take a look at that coming up yesterday in SOT1.

00:26:29.600 Do you would you do you believe that the attorney general should apologize to parents who are the subject of that memo?

00:26:34.380 I'm not going to speak to that.

00:26:35.900 Will you apologize for the FBI's own role?

00:26:38.820 I think the FBI conducted itself the way it should here, which is that we've considered to continue to follow our longstanding rules and have not changed anything in response to that memo.

00:26:49.780 I mean, why?

00:26:50.860 It's the wrong question, first of all.

00:26:52.600 Right. Like, it's the wrong question.

00:26:53.740 We ask him, was this sent to you?

00:26:55.900 Were you given a directive?

00:26:57.040 Did you push back?

00:26:58.060 Would you have followed this?

00:26:59.160 Is this an appropriate law enforcement matter?

00:27:01.800 Are you aware that this recommendation that parents be investigated as domestic terrorists was based on news articles called from left leaning sites that misrepresented facts?

00:27:10.980 And even the facts that they did offer were about parents speaking beyond the allotted time.

00:27:16.720 Would you allow the FBI to be used for such a purpose?

00:27:19.440 Can you assure the American public you would never have executed these directives and so on?

00:27:23.820 Right. Like there was a way of getting some meat on the bones of this cross examination.

00:27:28.040 But these lawmakers didn't do it.

00:27:30.640 Yeah, I think there is a little bit of throwing up hands in the air going on here.

00:27:35.680 I don't want to make excuses for members of Congress who maybe should have done more preparation because that's that's true of a lot of politicians.

00:27:43.280 But I think part of it is they're just looking at this and they're thinking, OK, this is not going to be the most politically advantageous for me to pursue of all the things that we can dig into and look at.

00:27:54.500 I agree.

00:27:55.460 The issue of the government going after parents, it's it's egregious.

00:28:00.060 It motivated voters in Virginia, motivated voters in Florida.

00:28:03.700 It's it's motivated voters all around the country.

00:28:06.180 But I just think a lot of people are really sick looking at Congress and even when the members of Congress get some really good zingers in there, nothing happens.

00:28:15.720 You know, people are just so frustrated that, OK, we got our soundbite. 0.91

00:28:20.820 We made so and so look foolish, whether it's Christopher Wray or Dr. 0.97

00:28:25.060 Fauci or any of these cartoonish villains in our government. 0.92

00:28:28.880 But then there are never any actual consequences for it.

00:28:32.660 So, OK, I'm going to look away from Washington, D.C.

00:28:35.440 I think that's a lot a lot of why you've seen people start to show up to those school board meetings and start to look more at state level and local level politics is because they think, OK, nothing is going to happen at the federal level.

00:28:46.160 So might as well try to do something myself.

00:28:48.480 If you want Christopher Wray fired, if you want Dr.

00:28:51.400 Fauci fired, I realize Fauci's now moved on.

00:28:53.860 You do need a change at the top.

00:28:55.660 However, I mean, you do need a different president.

00:28:58.120 A different president could make a difference.

00:29:00.040 We talked with Nikki Haley about her plan for the FBI yesterday.

00:29:03.060 OK, and that brings us to 2024.

00:29:05.860 There's a lot to discuss as number one, people are calling for a complete reset of the DeSantis campaign.

00:29:11.320 And number two, there are growing reports that the Murdoch empire has turned on DeSantis and may be looking at someone else, someone pretty interesting, someone who's not in this race.

00:29:22.460 That's what we will begin right after this quick break when Michael Knowles rejoins us.

00:29:27.640 Michael, there's more and more buzz about how DeSantis needs a reset.

00:29:37.700 And right now, there's a piece out today in Rolling Stone.

00:29:42.280 Actually, it hit two days ago, but the headline is Murdoch's start to sour on DeSantis. 0.99

00:29:47.900 Quote, they can smell a loser. 0.99

00:29:49.480 Now, that sounds like somebody's got an axe to grind, but there's enough in here that sounds true that I'm sure a piece of it is.

00:29:56.460 They say they've spoken with a bunch of different sources and that Rupert is understandably worried that we may end up being stuck with Trump, quoting here,

00:30:05.860 and that he's increasingly displeased with DeSantis and his campaigns, perceived stumbles, lackluster polling and inability to swiftly dethrone Trump. 0.54

00:30:15.620 That Murdoch has privately winced at DeSantis' nonstop cultural grievance strategy and that, hold on, reading, that the Murdoch, says one source, a Fox insider, are transactional and, quote, can smell a loser a mile away.

00:30:34.280 That they feel he, DeSantis, seems too awkward in his public presentation and his attempts to connect with the American voter, that they're noting his failures to chip away at Trump's stubborn dominance.

00:30:46.420 And then they cite examples in News Corp's many media properties, whether it's The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post or Fox News, which are giving DeSantis a harder time.

00:30:55.760 Rolling Stone reporting these are not by accident.

00:30:57.760 These are not a coincidence.

00:30:58.560 And it's for whatever it's worth, I used to see pieces like this all the time about the Murdochs and Fox News when I worked at Fox News.

00:31:05.300 When I was at the top of Fox News, I was, you know, in the 9 p.m. time slot and never once had anybody said anything to me along the lines of what was being reported as the Murdoch's manipulation or their change in mind or their chosen kit.

00:31:17.720 Never. So I tend to think this kind of thing is bullshit, but the thought that DeSantis needs a reset to to do something about these poll numbers, it goes well beyond this Rolling Stone piece. 0.52

00:31:29.400 And the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. 0.94

00:31:32.200 It doesn't need to be that Rupert is sitting up there, you know, and he gives the declaration and then everybody follows suit.

00:31:38.460 You can just see that the coverage of DeSantis has become more negative.

00:31:43.460 And the reason for that is his campaign certainly does need a hard reset.

00:31:47.820 I say this entirely out of love.

00:31:50.580 I really, really like the guy.

00:31:52.200 I am friends with a lot of people around his campaign.

00:31:54.840 I think he's a terrific governor, but this campaign right now is on the track to lose and it won't even be close if things keep up the way that they are.

00:32:03.740 And the reason for that is the DeSantis campaign to date has been that he is Donald Trump, but better.

00:32:10.560 He's Donald Trump, but more disciplined.

00:32:13.300 He's Donald Trump without the baggage.

00:32:15.040 He's Donald Trump and he can wield the levers of power a little bit better.

00:32:18.120 He's Donald Trump, but he's a little bit more polished.

00:32:20.720 Okay, fine.

00:32:21.520 There are a lot of people who make a cold calculation and say, well, that sounds great because I kind of like Trump, but I don't want the negative.

00:32:28.660 So I'm going to go for DeSantis.

00:32:31.000 The problem is that that's not how politics works.

00:32:34.960 And a good analogy for this, I think, is New Coke.

00:32:38.260 When New Coke came out, we all mock it now and we say the Coca-Cola Corporation made a huge mistake.

00:32:42.720 Why would they ever try to upend their classic happy recipe on Coca-Cola?

00:32:46.980 Well, the reason is because they focus group tested New Coke relentlessly.

00:32:51.980 And when people had blindfolds on, they preferred New Coke.

00:32:55.540 New Coke was a little bit, I don't know, a little sweeter, a little better, a little lighter.

00:32:59.560 They liked it.

00:33:00.240 But then you take the blindfold off and they wanted the original.

00:33:04.440 Even if on paper in some cold calculation, you can make the case that the new imitation is better than the original.

00:33:12.900 People are going to still stick with the OG.

00:33:14.800 Part of this also is because of now old-fashioned notions such as fealty, such as loyalty, such as comfort, such as tradition,

00:33:24.400 which political consultants don't really take into account, but ordinary people do.

00:33:30.360 And so this is not to say that DeSantis is totally doomed, but he's got to run in a different way than he is right now,

00:33:36.460 which is I'm just going to be a better version of Donald Trump.

00:33:39.080 If that's all he's offering, then people are going to go with Trump.

00:33:42.160 When Republicans run as being the better version of Democrats, to use another example, people just vote for the Democrats.

00:33:47.980 You need to give people a choice rather than an echo.

00:33:51.000 This was the insight of Phyllis Schlafly, who was one of the greatest conservative activists in the history of the United States.

00:33:56.860 So what's going to happen now?

00:33:58.960 Well, if trends continue, Trump is going to move from what was a 25-point lead to a 30-point lead to now he's over a 30-point lead.

00:34:07.540 And the other candidates in the race, many of whom say they're in the race to take on Donald Trump.

00:34:13.320 You know, Chris Christie entered the race.

00:34:14.420 He said, I'm in the race to beat up Donald Trump.

00:34:16.780 Well, practically, that's not what they're doing.

00:34:18.660 All of the other candidates in the race are ultimately going to train their serious fire on Ron DeSantis.

00:34:24.620 And they're going to do that because they've got to take out the number two guy if they want to have a shot at the king,

00:34:29.180 because they know if you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.

00:34:32.360 And so the circumstances of politics right now are such that if something fundamental doesn't shift in the DeSantis campaign, it's Trump's.

00:34:41.040 Hmm. The latest poll, this is from YouGov, from July 8th through 11th, shows Trump at 48, DeSantis at 22, a 26-point lead.

00:34:52.020 They've all been around there, between 26 and 40-point leads for Donald Trump.

00:34:56.580 But this same poll, just by way of comparison, five months ago in February, February 4th through February 7th,

00:35:03.000 had Trump up over DeSantis only by 10 points, only by 10.

00:35:07.540 So it's not going in the right direction. And that's with Donald Trump having been indicted twice.

00:35:14.160 So it's like, you know, on paper, some might have thought that could hurt him.

00:35:18.460 I am on record as having said he should be praying that they do indict him, not for legal reasons, but for political reasons.

00:35:24.840 And he's shown absolutely no signs of weakness since Donald Trump.

00:35:29.400 But the reports out now are not that these questioning DeSantis donors are resigning to the fact that it's Trump's.

00:35:41.220 Instead, they're trying to kick the tires on some other candidates.

00:35:44.540 And there's a report of Politico today that says top donors are now souring on DeSantis and looking at Tim Scott.

00:35:51.460 But they cite by name they have they suggest it's well beyond this guy, but they cite by name Ronald Lauder of Estee Lauder,

00:35:58.600 saying that he recently went down to South Carolina and met with Tim Scott and that his that they write donors.

00:36:04.960 Faith in DeSantis has been shaken by early campaign misstops.

00:36:08.820 And now I would love to know what you think of this.

00:36:11.780 Again, this is Politico shaken by early campaign missteps and hardline positions on abortion, transgender rights and other culture war issues.

00:36:23.260 And when I see that, to me, it suggests that this is the leftist writer trying to throw in his objections to DeSantis on to the Republican donors objection to the guy.

00:36:36.040 Maybe they think he focuses on it too much or to the exclusion of, you know, kitchen table issues that that could be.

00:36:42.880 But is there really a bunch of top Republican donors who want to see DeSantis?

00:36:47.920 They loved him before, but now they're upset with his culture warrior status.

00:36:53.920 That's complete nonsense, of course.

00:36:55.760 Everybody opposes transgenderism. 0.97

00:36:57.640 This is how Glenn Youngkin got elected in Virginia.

00:37:00.540 This is what propelled Ron DeSantis to major victories in Florida.

00:37:04.460 This is what destroyed the most popular beer in America, Bud Light.

00:37:08.300 This is what seriously hurt Target.

00:37:10.020 I mean, every single piece of evidence that we could possibly have shows that running against transgender ideology, especially when it comes to children, is a major winning issue for Republicans. 0.93

00:37:21.500 So maybe the leftist writer has an ax to grind.

00:37:23.280 And who knows, though, maybe the GOP establishment really does want to veer away, at least from some of the other social issues, so-called, such as abortion or education or any of the rest of them.

00:37:36.280 This has always been the biggest challenge for Ron DeSantis.

00:37:39.480 And it was, I should imagine, the most difficult calculation to make when he was entering the race, which is that DeSantis is in a unique position in that he is a Trump-like candidate, but Trump is in the race.

00:37:52.960 So he is necessarily filling the anti-Trump lane.

00:37:56.440 And that means the people who are attracted to Ron DeSantis are attracted from opposite positions.

00:38:02.540 You've got some people, not enough apparently, who really like Trump, who might move over to DeSantis.

00:38:08.160 And you've got a lot of people who have hated Trump since day one, and they find the guy completely noxious.

00:38:12.800 And they've moved over to DeSantis because DeSantis is their last hope.

00:38:16.200 But DeSantis, in order to have a political identity at all and to keep doing what's been so successful, has to be kind of like Trump.

00:38:22.240 And so he's being pulled in totally opposite directions.

00:38:24.960 And now the liberal media and perhaps the donor class are looking at some of the other candidates who are polling at 2% and 3%.

00:38:30.980 That ain't going to play.

00:38:33.780 I like a lot of those other candidates personally, but I think people need to buy a wristwatch in the GOP donor class and in the pundit class because a lot of these people have no idea what time it is.

00:38:46.540 And the time for aw shucks conciliatory kind of 2008 style rhetoric, that is gone, man.

00:38:53.260 We are in a different era.

00:38:54.480 We're finding coke at the White House, bribes potentially to the president.

00:38:58.380 We're on the brink of World War III.

00:38:59.280 Boobs at the White House. 0.76

00:39:00.460 Yeah.

00:39:01.140 We're, you know, we've got three and a half million illegal aliens coming across the border.

00:39:04.840 We've got the feds investigating Catholic churches and calling parents and schools domestic terrorists.

00:39:11.800 We are not in the kumbaya, let's all get along and cut taxes moment.

00:39:16.080 That is not going to happen.

00:39:18.240 And so that's why you're not only seeing the big chasm between Trump's poll numbers and the rest of the field, but it's why you're seeing it begin to move apart.

00:39:26.620 As the biggest opponent to Trump, the most serious rival, is now being pulled in opposite directions, you're seeing them in that field pull apart.

00:39:34.980 And it's Trump and all the rest of them.

00:39:37.340 And this is why, because the momentum is on his side, this is why the Trump campaign is signaled.

00:39:41.520 It's not even really that interested in engaging in the primary debates.

00:39:45.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:46.600 Well, and you've been asking questions about why would he?

00:39:49.960 Why would Trump go to this first debate?

00:39:51.700 I mean, let's look at the first debate.

00:39:53.760 It's August, I think, 23rd, hosted by Fox.

00:39:57.880 I think you're exactly right.

00:39:59.080 That's the question.

00:39:59.660 Why would he?

00:40:00.780 I know he loves attention, but Trump is not dumb and he recognizes he doesn't he's already getting plenty of attention.

00:40:08.500 He doesn't need the debate for that.

00:40:10.600 So do you think he will show up?

00:40:11.960 Do you think his desire to see himself in the news, which has been lifelong for him, will trump his political calculations that he has much to lose from showing up there and absolutely nothing to gain?

00:40:26.820 If the debate were being held tomorrow, Trump would not show up.

00:40:29.820 And I know this for a fact because there is a candidate forum in Des Moines tomorrow and Trump is the only candidate who's not showing up and and he shouldn't show up.

00:40:37.320 I feel in some ways some of the fans of the other candidates are shooting the messenger here when they are criticizing me for pointing out that Trump has no incentive to debate.

00:40:48.740 But while I love most, if not all of the candidates who are running, I think I might be the last conservative pundit in America who is not actively working for one of the presidential campaigns.

00:41:00.880 And so I'm just trying to call it like I see it and look at the political circumstances here.

00:41:05.200 There is absolutely nothing to be gained by showing up to this debate if you're Donald Trump.

00:41:11.400 And there is a potential risk.

00:41:12.800 Don't forget about that disastrous first debate with Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

00:41:18.220 That that debate hurt the Trump campaign.

00:41:21.660 Trump did very well in many of the 2016 primary debates for the GOP.

00:41:25.960 But that's because he was the insurgent challenger candidate.

00:41:28.360 So we had basically all upside and no downside to those debates here.

00:41:33.500 It's flipped.

00:41:34.120 And so one answer that people will give as to why Trump should debate is they'll say, well, he's not the incumbent.

00:41:41.120 Sure, Joe Biden's not going to debate, even though he has challengers.

00:41:44.600 But that's because he's the incumbent and the incumbent traditionally doesn't debate.

00:41:49.100 Sure, all well enough, except what people are missing is that Donald Trump is the first one term president to run for a rematch since 1892, since Grover Cleveland.

00:42:01.200 And so while he's not the incumbent, for most intents and purposes, Donald Trump is the incumbent, especially when you see those poll numbers.

00:42:09.920 32.4 points up in the RealClearPoliticsAverage, 45 points up on the Harvard-Harris poll.

00:42:15.620 For all intents and purposes, the voters have signaled that they are going to treat Trump as an incumbent.

00:42:20.800 And so if the other candidates want him to debate, they've got to create the political circumstances according to which he will feel impelled to debate.

00:42:28.280 And right now, the numbers and the numbers as reflective of the people, the constituents, and the bizarre historical circumstance that this guy is an American original or just about.

00:42:39.600 And the only precedent we can see for this is Grover Cleveland.

00:42:41.980 All of that is coming together to give this guy the nomination without without an ordinary fight.

00:42:48.900 It's not going to be an ordinary primary because Trump is not in an ordinary position.

00:42:53.300 Hmm.

00:42:54.180 You know, the I can see the other side, too, though, because it's almost like give the people what they want.

00:42:58.980 They they love him.

00:43:00.500 They adore him.

00:43:01.600 His fans.

00:43:03.060 He's great on the debate stage.

00:43:05.580 I mean, I've sat out there on the on the opposite end of the guy, you know, 12 feet away, watching him do his thing and wondered, oh, how will this play?

00:43:12.900 How will this play?

00:43:13.500 We were on the stage in Michigan together and he was making a reference to the size of his manhood.

00:43:18.880 I was like, well, that's a first I've done a bunch of these debates.

00:43:22.380 I've never seen that happen.

00:43:24.200 They ate it up.

00:43:25.360 He's entertaining.

00:43:26.580 He's clever.

00:43:27.340 Remember the Jeb Bush?

00:43:28.600 Oh, more energy.

00:43:29.440 I like that.

00:43:30.280 That was the end of Jeb Bush.

00:43:31.580 He ended Jeb Bush in one sentence.

00:43:33.680 So he's got, you know, if he shows there's some danger to the other candidates, because while he doesn't necessarily need it to boost his own numbers, everybody talks about how Chris Christie is going to take down Trump.

00:43:45.400 That's not going to happen, but he could take down Chris Christie.

00:43:48.100 I mean, Trump has the ability to absolutely stab you in the heart rhetorically on the debate stage and you never fight again.

00:43:54.940 So I could see some reasons for him to do it as well.

00:43:58.380 That's true, though, Megan, I think I'm the biggest promoter of the thesis that there could be a mild Chris Christie renaissance.

00:44:06.520 I call it the Chris-a-sance or croissants for short.

00:44:09.220 And I'm increasingly dim on that view.

00:44:11.900 But people forget he was a popular two-term governor.

00:44:14.600 He's not very popular anymore.

00:44:16.280 And he's a pretty good debater.

00:44:18.120 He really went hard after Rubio and, at least in the public imagination, completely destroyed his campaign back in 2016.

00:44:26.720 And for this reason, Donald Trump picked Chris Christie to be his debate sparring partner before the 2020 debates with Joe Biden.

00:44:35.820 So there's risk for Trump, even if it's a small risk, even for a low polling candidate like Chris Christie.

00:44:43.400 Now, you're right about the spectacle.

00:44:46.020 Give the people what they want.

00:44:47.140 But the flip side to that is if Trump doesn't show up, I suspect viewership is going to be relatively low.

00:44:51.980 We'll be able to test this theory tomorrow in Des Moines when the candidates show up for this forum, which is not exactly a debate, but it'll be similar enough that we can get some sense of this.

00:45:01.860 So then what's going to happen on a debate stage if Trump doesn't show up?

00:45:04.880 Well, what's going to happen is they're all going to make their comments about how terrible Trump is.

00:45:07.880 But it's not really going to hit because the guy's not in the room.

00:45:10.780 And then most likely what will happen is they'll turn their fire on the leader of the non-Trump part of the field, and that's DeSantis.

00:45:19.220 And if the rest of the field turns their fire on DeSantis, that's only going to benefit Trump.

00:45:23.780 So I just think if you're on the Trump campaign now doing this calculation, I think you see potentially something to lose by showing up.

00:45:30.740 But you potentially also have something to gain, because if that whole field turns on DeSantis, they could knock his numbers down even further.

00:45:39.060 One thought, two actually.

00:45:40.720 Number one, yes, Chris Christie took out Marco Rubio, though I think you could make the case, too, that Marco Rubio took out himself.

00:45:47.140 Remember, he was like stuck on autopilot.

00:45:49.380 He kind of kept repeating the same thing.

00:45:51.360 And then Chris Christie's like, look, he's doing it right now.

00:45:53.060 This is all he does with these rehearsed lines.

00:45:55.340 And then Marco Rubio repeated another rehearsed line.

00:45:58.040 We need to do away with this fiction that Chris Christie doesn't know what he's doing.

00:46:01.460 He knows exactly what he's doing.

00:46:03.540 Is that was that the line?

00:46:05.200 It was almost verbatim.

00:46:06.280 Is that it?

00:46:07.660 So that was number one.

00:46:08.780 And number two is the other candidate that the Murdochs are reportedly hoping jumps in is Glenn Youngkin of Virginia, who I know was the great hope of people very high up in Republican politics.

00:46:22.920 But I think from what I hear, the guy has decided not this time, maybe next.

00:46:27.420 But he does not want to jump in.

00:46:29.700 And so, you know, I don't know that the fleece is going to make an appearance in 2024, though I understand why he's appealing.

00:46:35.220 But to your point, he can get those Republican women in the suburbs. 1.00

00:46:38.560 I don't know if they'll see him as the fighter who's got to stand up to the people who want to chop off children's body parts and, you know, arrest parents as domestic terrorists.

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00:47:26.880 So, Michael, in case you're feeling sad about your options out there, in case you're worried about the fact that Joe Biden on the very first engagement of his overseas trip didn't show at the big dinner with all of the diplomats because he was tired.

00:47:42.080 Matlock was on.

00:47:43.360 The pudding was being served.

00:47:45.160 Fear not, because he has a much younger, vibrant woman of color.

00:47:50.220 That's what he wanted for his vice president.

00:47:52.680 And not only is she all of those things, but she's really good at explaining things.

00:47:57.940 I mean, super good.

00:47:59.120 You went to Yale.

00:48:00.540 You you should only wish you could be this good at explaining things.

00:48:03.400 I give you as an example, the ladies attempt to bring a eye into our world in a meaningful way. 1.00

00:48:10.620 I think the first part of this issue that should be articulated is a is kind of a fancy thing.

00:48:16.800 It's first of all, it's two letters.

00:48:18.120 It means artificial intelligence.

00:48:21.060 But ultimately what it is, is it's about machine learning.

00:48:26.340 And so the machine is taught.

00:48:30.140 And part of the issue here is what information is going into the machine that will then determine.

00:48:37.820 And we can predict then if we think about what machine, what information is going in, what then will be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may be made through that process.

00:48:51.200 OK, my dog, Strudwick knows all of that, that we needed the vice president of the United States to explain that.

00:49:00.220 And the way she does it, like she's really offering a particularly helpful insight to us, Michael.

00:49:06.620 I mean, the, the absolute absurdity.

00:49:09.300 She also endeavored to explain AI and instead explained machines.

00:49:15.440 She didn't say anything about what artificial intelligence actually does.

00:49:20.000 She just said, and we have in machines where we put in, in, you put in something and then, and then it comes out.

00:49:28.380 And then there's a different end.

00:49:30.980 I can't, I can't, I can't do a Kamala laugh. 1.00

00:49:34.200 I'm not nearly manic enough.

00:49:35.940 This is not the first.

00:49:36.820 I mean, she's done it many times.

00:49:38.160 She fancies herself the explainer in chief.

00:49:40.960 I mean, we could go, we could be here all day if we played them all.

00:49:43.260 But here's just a little sampling, just in case you forgot some of them.

00:49:47.040 So Ukraine is a country in Europe.

00:49:51.820 It exists next to another country called Russia.

00:49:55.520 Russia is a bigger country.

00:49:57.280 Russia is a powerful country.

00:49:58.620 Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine.

00:50:02.680 So basically that's wrong.

00:50:05.100 This issue of transportation is fundamentally about just making sure that people have the ability to get where they need to go.

00:50:12.720 Space is exciting.

00:50:14.960 It spurs our imaginations.

00:50:18.980 And it forces us to ask big questions.

00:50:24.400 Space, it affects us all.

00:50:26.780 And it connects us all.

00:50:30.540 It gives us a sense of the magnitude of it all.

00:50:35.380 Earth is kind of small.

00:50:37.000 Yeah.

00:50:37.540 Right?

00:50:38.840 The Earth is like a speck.

00:50:41.560 I can't.

00:50:42.540 There's a sun.

00:50:45.220 I...

00:50:45.840 Did you ever see, Megan, the scene in The Simpsons where Bart is giving a report on Libya and he sort of just rambles from unrelated topic to unrelated topic.

00:50:59.740 And then he says, in conclusion, Libya is a land of contradictions.

00:51:02.900 That was more intelligent and educational than whatever Kamala Harris just said. 0.63

00:51:10.100 And I don't want to be unfair here. 0.98

00:51:13.100 Politicians, taken out of context especially, often will make really dumb sounding remarks. 0.94

00:51:19.060 They did this to George Bush for eight years. 0.93

00:51:22.200 George Bush, however, is a smart man who has read lots of books and is curious.

00:51:28.080 And is actually not a half bad painter, certainly a lot better than Hunter Biden.

00:51:31.480 So there's obviously something going on in his mind that he sometimes fails to communicate with his words.

00:51:36.840 In the case of Kamala Harris, I don't, I have not seen any evidence that a similar situation would be taking place here.

00:51:46.420 I would not, I have not seen any similar evidence that there is a real chasm between how she sounds and what's really going on in her mind.

00:51:53.780 And this is a big problem because Kamala Harris is exemplary of a political apparatus that no longer really functions, of an executive branch with an elected component that doesn't really matter that much to the functioning of government.

00:52:11.460 Of a leadership class that doesn't really seem to know anything.

00:52:14.140 Of an educational apparatus that has had standards crumble where people graduate sometimes with master's degrees and they probably shouldn't have been let out of the seventh grade.

00:52:24.720 And we think that we can just get away with that forever.

00:52:27.860 That we can continue to lower standards and we can continue to elect people who don't know anything about anything.

00:52:32.140 And you can't, at a certain point, a country will cease to flourish if the people who are running that country don't have any practical skills or knowledge or about anything at all.

00:52:44.380 Forget about even learning the liberal arts and understanding what a flourishing life is and how to make sense of our freedom.

00:52:49.200 These are people who probably don't know how to make the toaster work.

00:52:51.920 And so there is a basic level of competence that we require in our government in order to function.

00:52:57.880 And when you don't have that competence, things break down as we're seeing all around us.

00:53:02.780 I'm embarrassed by her.

00:53:04.220 You know, if he like there are very smart women out there, including on the Democratic side. 1.00

00:53:08.360 You know, Eleni Kagan is brilliant, a sitting Supreme Court justice.

00:53:11.360 She's I don't share her politics, but she's brilliant.

00:53:14.020 He wanted a person of color who was a woman. 1.00

00:53:16.240 He should have gone with Chief Lies a lot.

00:53:17.680 Elizabeth Warren.

00:53:18.560 She's smart.

00:53:19.960 She's a woman of color.

00:53:21.100 Just ask her.

00:53:22.240 I'm just saying you could have found it's not like they're not out there.

00:53:25.520 This particular one is not a smart person.

00:53:28.240 She's she has absolutely nothing to offer in terms of profundities, though.

00:53:31.400 She tries every other day. 0.99

00:53:32.780 And she clearly thinks the rest of us are as dumb as she is because of the way she speaks to us. 0.99

00:53:38.200 Right. 0.99

00:53:38.440 Like why she's speaking to us as though we were are in the first grade.

00:53:43.060 I suppose what bothers me even more is let's say that her IQ is not as high as perhaps it ought to be in that position.

00:53:51.860 Well, look, there are plenty of people who are a lot smarter than I am.

00:53:54.780 I'm sure there are a lot of people with a much higher IQ than I have.

00:53:57.460 But if I were the vice president of the United States, if I were giving a speech, I at the very least would make sure that my speech writer wrote me a good speech.

00:54:08.500 I would at least make sure that, you know, it's not like this woman is on her own.

00:54:12.740 She's got the executive branch of the United States behind her. 1.00

00:54:16.160 Why is she not preparing at all?

00:54:19.220 Especially if she's at a little bit of a, let's say, an educational disadvantage here.

00:54:23.200 Why doesn't she work? 0.97

00:54:25.220 Why doesn't she like read a book?

00:54:27.320 Why doesn't she at least pay somebody to do the work for her so that she doesn't in her role as a representative of our country and our people continue to embarrass the people of the United States? 1.00

00:54:39.280 I know it says something about her and none of it is good.

00:54:42.540 And yet they want us to believe that Ron DeSantis is focused on culture war issues is a nonstarter for him in terms of getting in the White House.

00:54:49.640 But this woman is our sitting vice president. 1.00

00:54:51.400 So no problem.

00:54:52.540 You get the ladies of the view saying they don't want another race between two white men out there pushing the patriarchy. 1.00

00:54:58.580 Well, if this is the alternative, I think most of us would choose the patriarchy.

00:55:01.220 Speaking of woke cultural issues, there's a lot to go over.

00:55:06.360 I promised this to the audience yesterday, so I will begin this part of our discussion with what happened on CNN.

00:55:12.440 So CNN was doing a story on Dylan Mulvaney, and there's a correspondent by the name of Ryan Young, who you can tell from the clip, did not even realize he was barreling face first into one of the hot button issues of the culture war.

00:55:28.220 But he did. Here is his original sin. Watch.

00:55:33.760 One bar was telling us basically they're not going to serve it because they don't like the way Dylan Mulvaney was treated after this whole controversy started.

00:55:42.300 He, of course, is the transgender person they were going to sponsor and go along with with Bud Light. 0.99

00:55:48.500 They didn't like how Bud Light didn't stand by him after all this.

00:55:51.800 Just don't. He used him. He used Dylan's actual pronouns instead of the preferred pronouns.

00:56:00.260 And you can see the guy. You could see he has no idea he's doing anything wrong.

00:56:04.240 You know, he's probably not immersed in the culture wars.

00:56:07.480 I don't know what his normal beat is, but it took 24 hours, not even for CNN to then do this.

00:56:13.980 Yesterday in a segment about transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney, who was featured in Bud Light's recent campaign, she was mistakenly referred to by the wrong pronoun.

00:56:26.840 And CNN aims to honor individuals ways of identifying themselves.

00:56:31.240 And we apologize for that error.

00:56:34.520 Really? What are they going to do when the like Z pronoun takes over? 1.00

00:56:38.660 Because that's getting bigger. Zay, Zay, Zay is upset about the backlash over Bud Light.

00:56:44.540 CNN is not going to do that. Like there's only so far you can take it.

00:56:47.640 And I'll say this to you, Michael, as you know, I only recently came to switching on the pronouns to rejecting the preferred pronouns.

00:56:54.700 And once you switch back to actual, you know, biological pronouns, it's jarring to hear it said the other way.

00:57:01.180 Right. It's like, yeah, when I hear her say she I'm like, what?

00:57:04.860 Who is she referring to? It's it's amazing what you allow yourself to just slip.

00:57:08.660 Back into reality. How jarring the pretend world sounds to you.

00:57:14.480 Well, this is why the left focuses so much on language.

00:57:18.180 I wrote a whole book on this called Speechless Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

00:57:21.220 I sometimes fall into these errors, too, because if you in any way use the language of people who are trying to deceive you, you will deceive yourself.

00:57:31.480 Language is what constitutes so much of our consciousness.

00:57:34.160 What was so wonderful about this, though, is that it happened on CNN rather than on a right wing network, because when when you and I refer to men as men, not as women, if they pretend to be women.

00:57:47.360 We're doing so intentionally where we're disciplining our intellect and we're making a point about reality and speaking the truth as far as we see it.

00:57:55.420 That's not what this guy was doing. This guy is just a normal guy.

00:57:59.480 He's a news presenter who just reports on the news.

00:58:02.780 And so you can tell he's on a liberal network.

00:58:04.980 He seems like a kind of a liberal guy in the way that he's talking about transgenderism.

00:58:08.680 And so I don't think he meant to give any offense or transgress any of these ever changing rules.

00:58:13.640 He just being normal knows that Dylan Mulvaney is a man.

00:58:19.060 And so he he perceived reality as it is and spoke in accordance with reality.

00:58:26.020 And that's the biggest sin you can commit these days.

00:58:28.740 And then the reaction from CNN, he was out of a movie.

00:58:32.860 It wasn't out of a horror movie. It was out of a parody. It was out of a comedy movie.

00:58:35.660 We are very, very sorry. We we've committed an egregious sin.

00:58:39.980 Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, you know, flogging themselves on air.

00:58:45.440 But the reason that CNN fell into this era in the first place is because everybody, Megan, everybody, statistically, at least 87 percent, maybe 100 percent of people know that the transgender stuff is totally bogus and that they they know that the men are men. 0.55

00:59:02.660 If it's creeping out into CNN, I promise you it's everywhere.

00:59:06.740 Yeah, it's really true. But in another interesting thing happening in that clip, the pair of them was the hierarchy of identities, because in a normal world, if you had a white woman coming on to apologize for a black male anchor and his misuse of the proper terms, she'd get killed for whitesplaining. 0.57

00:59:25.920 Right. She she'd be called a Karen, like either he'll apologize or he won't. 0.94

00:59:30.680 But don't you try to fix it, white lady, part of the problem. 1.00

00:59:33.920 But because it was an offense to the trans community, all the rules are out the window. 0.87

00:59:39.180 They're at the top of the hierarchy right now.

00:59:41.140 That is so true. What an insightful point.

00:59:45.760 The only way that she could really dot her T's and cross her I's here is if we were to find out if she released a genealogy report that it turned out she was one 2048th, you know, Nigerian or something like that. 0.55

00:59:59.160 And then she could also claim to be a member of that aggrieved minority.

01:00:02.900 But as it stands right now, you're right, Megan, this is this is open to debate.

01:00:07.380 Yeah. Otherwise, she goes from Kate Bolden to Karen, Karen Bolden, whatever her name is.

01:00:12.280 Let's stay on this because the latest reports on Bud Light.

01:00:14.900 My God, every day it gets worse.

01:00:17.560 And here's the latest.

01:00:20.200 So we continue to get there.

01:00:22.000 The updates on their sales.

01:00:23.480 Bud Light sales from The New York Post plunged 28.5 percent for the week end of July 1.

01:00:29.200 Worse than the twenty seven point nine decline they suffered the previous week, which is already at record lows.

01:00:36.320 Their sales, reports The Post, appears appear now to have infected Bud Light's sister brands within, as you call them, transheiser bush.

01:00:46.240 This is my favorite thing I've heard in the past two months, according to Bump Williams, whose consulting firm crunched the latest numbers from Nielsen.

01:00:54.700 Sales of Michelob Ultra are down by four point three percent sales of Bush Light are down by eight point five percent.

01:01:02.940 Meanwhile, Modelo Especial, the number two beer brand in the U.S., saw its sales jump eleven point four percent during the same week.

01:01:09.520 So it's not about people just aren't drinking the beer.

01:01:11.320 People are still mad at Anheuser and Bud Light in particular.

01:01:16.840 And adding to that, you've got the the ex Anheuser-Busch executive who by name goes on the record and speaks out about this, saying he is shocked by how much money the company has lost in the wake of this partnership.

01:01:30.940 His name is Anson Fredericks. He worked for the beer maker for nearly 11 years, was its president of operations till last April and told Fox Business.

01:01:38.260 He's even more shocked, though, about the lack of clear response by CEO Brendan Whitworth, who's had three chances now to speak out and try to fix it and has failed.

01:01:48.100 He said he should have come out and said, of course, this is a mistake.

01:01:51.040 We would not do this again because we've lost billions of dollars in market cap.

01:01:54.860 Our brands are down almost 30 percent and all of a sudden we're putting a lot of our suppliers at risk.

01:02:00.260 But that CEO cannot get it right, Michael.

01:02:03.820 So what do you make of the latest terrible news for Bud Light and Anheuser?

01:02:07.020 Well, the reason that Transheiser Bush's CEO can't do the simple thing and apologize is because he's being pulled by his investors who have signed on to things like the ESG movement and GARM,

01:02:19.100 which is the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which is just another one of these multinational liberal blobs that says that corporations are going to toe the leftist line or they don't get to advertise on the big tech platforms.

01:02:30.260 They've signed on to all of this.

01:02:31.380 And so even when the consumers are saying we hate your product, we're not going to buy it anymore, this boycott's here to stay.

01:02:37.720 Even if the CEO were inclined to apologize, he just thinks the greater risk to him is from irritating the investors and the political establishment than it is from irritating the customers.

01:02:49.160 We are no longer operating in the kind of free market system in which the customer is always right.

01:02:53.080 That's gone.

01:02:54.100 Obviously, the only thing that the CEO of Transheiser Bush can do is to apologize.

01:02:58.680 That's the only thing that would get the consumers to come back.

01:03:01.860 There's no conciliatory middle ground on this particular issue.

01:03:05.280 Either women get their own bathrooms or they don't. 1.00

01:03:08.080 Either women get their own sports leagues or they don't. 1.00

01:03:10.660 Either a man can become a woman or a man can't become a woman. 1.00

01:03:13.280 And there's really no middle ground.

01:03:14.680 And it's an issue that is increasingly encroaching on parents' ability to raise their children.

01:03:19.300 So it's one that's going to get everybody fired up.

01:03:21.760 You got to pick a side.

01:03:22.620 You stand in the middle of the road.

01:03:24.000 You're going to get hit by a truck.

01:03:25.280 And what this speaks to, by the way, is a much deeper and broader change in politics.

01:03:31.160 For most of my lifetime and certainly since the end of the Cold War, I would say until about six, seven years ago, the defining term for the right in America would be liberty or choice or freedom, something like that.

01:03:48.600 That's what motivated all of the conservative movement, the intellectual aspect of the conservative movement, and the Republican Party.

01:03:54.960 That has shifted with the rise of populism and I think with the advance toward absurdity of leftism to the point that now the key term is no longer choice or freedom or something like that.

01:04:07.720 I think the key term is truth.

01:04:10.160 You're seeing this reflected in Trump's campaign.

01:04:12.360 Trump's social media network is called Truth Social.

01:04:14.360 It's not called Choice Social.

01:04:15.620 It's not called Do Whatever You Want Social.

01:04:17.380 It's Truth Social.

01:04:18.540 Vivek Ramaswamy, who's now jumped, I think, to third place in the GOP race out of nowhere, he's an anti-woke businessman.

01:04:24.420 He's pretty different, actually, from the traditional GOP establishment.

01:04:28.140 What's that hat that he's always wearing in his campaigns?

01:04:30.500 It says Truth on it.

01:04:32.420 In a culture that has become so absurd in which we can't agree on the basic facts of life, where we can't communicate with one another, as a result, we don't even know the right pronouns to use, even on CNN.

01:04:41.520 That kind of culture needs to be ballasted with something it can hold on to, objective truth that we can all agree upon without which self-government is not possible.

01:04:51.400 So you see this reflected at the constituent level.

01:04:54.580 That's why they elected Trump.

01:04:55.760 You see this reflected in the media.

01:04:57.260 That's why more populist, right-wing voices, guys like Tucker Carlson and others who take a firm line on these kinds of issues, are so popular.

01:05:07.420 You see it on the intellectual side with the rise of something like the post-liberal movement.

01:05:10.820 People like Patrick Deneen.

01:05:12.380 People like Sohrab Amari.

01:05:14.060 A less libertarian kind of right-wing.

01:05:16.520 The whole political establishment is moving into that direction.

01:05:20.440 And the corporations had better keep up if they don't want to irritate all of their customers, because you can have all the ESG asset manager money in the world.

01:05:28.800 But if you don't have people to buy your product, your company is not going to last very long.

01:05:33.080 30% is 30%.

01:05:34.560 Billions lost in market cap is just unavoidable.

01:05:37.880 Like, this is your future if you go this route.

01:05:40.440 But you're right.

01:05:41.320 So the pressures on the other side are mostly from these ESG types.

01:05:44.280 But you've also got the actual individuals like Dylan Mulvaney, who first released a video a week ago saying for a company to not stand by a trans influencer once they partnered with them is even worse than to have not partnered to begin with.

01:06:00.740 It was interesting because for the first time we learned that it was an official relationship.

01:06:04.800 It was not just a random can of beer that that appeared in her in Dylan's mail.

01:06:09.480 And that was news.

01:06:10.640 And no one's really gotten to the bottom of exactly what what was the nature of it.

01:06:14.020 Let's get into it.

01:06:14.920 Where you did you comply with all laws when it comes to marketing alcohol?

01:06:17.720 Let's find out.

01:06:18.840 So now Dylan continues it.

01:06:21.100 Maybe they didn't get he didn't get enough clicks on the original submission.

01:06:26.000 Now he continues to play the victim over in Peru, where he claims he's had to flee because of all the death threats.

01:06:33.900 Watch.

01:06:34.420 We played a little bit of this yesterday.

01:06:35.600 Here's the full clip.

01:06:37.400 Surprise.

01:06:38.300 I'm in Peru and I'm at Machu Picchu.

01:06:41.480 Isn't this just so beautiful?

01:06:43.560 I'm here by myself.

01:06:44.920 I came here to feel something.

01:06:46.560 You know what I mean?

01:06:47.640 And I definitely have.

01:06:49.140 I feel very safe here.

01:06:50.800 It's a little sad that I had to leave my country to feel safe, but that will get better eventually.

01:06:55.240 Still haven't been kissed yet, but I'm holding out hope.

01:06:58.020 Has me feeling like I'm my own best friend again.

01:07:00.820 And that is the best feeling in the world.

01:07:02.540 Can I tell you, this is like, this is one of the things about this guy.

01:07:08.360 He has this sort of love ya persona that people are lured in by, you know, like, oh, he's he's only full of kindness.

01:07:17.820 He's only trying to spread love and ask for acceptance.

01:07:21.020 And yet so many of us have such a strong, visceral reaction to this guy because we recognize what he's actually spreading and selling is very dangerous.

01:07:31.740 And it's deeply offensive.

01:07:33.660 You know, his idea of girlhood and womanhood offends me to the core.

01:07:39.620 It's not that I'm not rooting for this human being to find wellness in his life.

01:07:45.260 It's that I completely object to what he's done to my sex, to his imagery of my sex, of what it means to be a woman, which is a fundamental, beautiful thing that half the population shares.

01:07:57.420 And the other half doesn't and won't, no matter how hard they try.

01:08:01.520 This is the key, the danger of it all.

01:08:04.960 And it's why we can mock some of these insane behaviors and campaigns.

01:08:10.260 But we also feel a great deal of pity for it. 0.99

01:08:12.880 But the fact remains that if you embrace a transgender identity, you've got a 41 percent chance of trying to kill yourself. 1.00

01:08:20.740 And a large number of those people will succeed in killing themselves. 0.98

01:08:23.980 And that's exceedingly dangerous.

01:08:26.760 And so that would be one reason why you would want to discourage anyone from falling down that rabbit hole.

01:08:32.340 And there are lots of cultural conditions that lead people down that rabbit hole.

01:08:35.960 One of them is pornography.

01:08:37.320 One of them is acculturation in schools.

01:08:39.360 One of them is obviously just the normalization by the biggest authorities in the country.

01:08:43.940 This is why transgender identity has grown by leaps and bounds, many multiples in recent years. 0.95

01:08:49.740 Unless there happens to be something in the water turning the frickin' frogs gay, there's obviously a cultural contagion taking on here. 0.96

01:08:56.220 And it's leading people into- 0.97

01:08:58.360 It's all, you know, look, there is, you're right.

01:09:00.760 So I don't want to totally discount the chemicals in the water.

01:09:03.560 But there's obviously something going on here.

01:09:06.160 And what the advocates of this transgender movement are saying is, well, the reason that anxiety and depression and suicidality are associated with transgenderism is because it's not culturally accepted.

01:09:18.340 So if we normalize it and encourage more people to engage in it, then those rates are going to go down.

01:09:23.260 But the thing is, they haven't.

01:09:24.940 They've remained exactly the same.

01:09:26.720 None of the transgender procedures are associated with any decrease in any of those areas.

01:09:31.040 In fact, they're associated perhaps with an increase in at least one of those areas, which is anxiety.

01:09:35.980 So it's really harmful to a lot of people.

01:09:38.560 And you see it being expressed by this guy in Peru.

01:09:42.040 So he's describing this as his fleeing America.

01:09:46.260 And, you know, he doesn't feel safe in America.

01:09:48.140 So he goes to Peru, which is much stricter, both by law and by culture on sexual eccentricity.

01:09:54.080 But put that aside for a moment.

01:09:56.120 And what he's doing is something that a great many people do, which is he's going on vacation in July.

01:10:03.240 But even that, he can't just go on vacation to a popular tourist site called Machu Picchu.

01:10:07.280 He's got to go flee, persecution.

01:10:09.740 And then what he says is so sad.

01:10:11.260 He says, I'm my own best friend.

01:10:13.480 I travel alone often.

01:10:15.580 Some people travel alone, but it's more fun to travel with other people.

01:10:18.160 I'm my own best friend.

01:10:19.220 I'm not my own best friend.

01:10:20.180 My best friend is my best friend.

01:10:21.500 It's very sad.

01:10:22.280 A man wrapped up in himself makes a small package indeed.

01:10:24.580 Later in that video, he says, I've been talking to shamans.

01:10:28.060 It did for me more than 10 years of therapy has done.

01:10:31.080 I bet it did because your 10 years of therapy has been harmful to you.

01:10:34.220 It hasn't helped you at all.

01:10:35.180 And it seems to have encouraged you in these delusions that are going to harm you down the road and already are.

01:10:40.720 And so you just see these behaviors.

01:10:43.060 People becoming isolated, becoming alienated, becoming lonely, going to these far-flung places,

01:10:48.780 engaging in weird occult rituals with drugs and shamans and all sorts of things,

01:10:53.280 doing anything they can desperately to flee the reality that is right before them in the mirror.

01:10:58.820 Why do people go to shamans instead of priests and church?

01:11:02.380 They go to shamans because shamans will tell them whatever they want to hear.

01:11:07.100 And shamans will give them whatever drugs they want.

01:11:09.380 And when you go to a priest and when you go to a church and when you engage in real, true, traditional religion,

01:11:14.440 you're not going to hear whatever you want to hear.

01:11:17.460 You're going to hear what is true.

01:11:19.580 It comes right back to Moses in speaking to God.

01:11:25.140 And he says, hey, God, what is your name?

01:11:27.620 And God says, I am that I am.

01:11:30.040 And if you ground your identity in I am that I am, then you'll know who you are. 0.98

01:11:34.400 And if you don't, you're going to be left with this pathetic question. 0.97

01:11:36.700 Who am I? 0.97

01:11:37.520 Which is going to spin off into all sorts of identities that become ever more absurd

01:11:41.360 and take you to shamans in Machu Picchu.

01:11:43.880 Well, you didn't say anything offensive about God there, but you might have in the past,

01:11:48.760 like when you said the Lord's Prayer at Sunday Mass.

01:11:52.460 As you may or may not know, it's now offensive to say our father.

01:11:58.080 That that is getting targeted by the woke Church of England.

01:12:03.420 The Church of England is now saying the opening of the Lord's Prayer is problematic.

01:12:10.160 And here's the here's the full statement.

01:12:13.220 OK, it's because of the words, our father, Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell, told

01:12:17.800 the General Synod, the legislating and ruling body of the Church of England, that referring

01:12:23.540 to God as father might be offensive to some people because of the negative connotations

01:12:27.840 of, wait for it, patriarchy.

01:12:30.400 He, quote, I know the word father is problematic for those who experience whose experience of

01:12:36.160 earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive.

01:12:39.180 And for all of us who have labored rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip

01:12:45.200 on life.

01:12:46.440 This is according to The Guardian.

01:12:49.220 Then he went on to say, oh, no, then then they went on to report in this in this piece.

01:12:53.360 Currently, Michael, the Church of England is looking at using gender neutral pronouns for

01:13:00.320 God can no longer say he or father instead of the masculine pronouns used in the Bible.

01:13:09.280 The Bible had it wrong and it's offensive because patriarchy.

01:13:13.720 What do you make of it?

01:13:15.220 We have to respect everybody's preferred pronouns except for God's. 0.99

01:13:19.680 Apparently he's the one person, three, three persons in one divine unity.

01:13:23.360 Whose pronouns we don't have to respect according to the Church of England, which has a sort

01:13:28.420 of logic to it in that the Church of England is a woke social club that identifies as a church.

01:13:36.180 So no surprise here that they see a chasm between reality and identity.

01:13:40.660 The other irony on top of this is that we have many wonderful prayers that have come down

01:13:45.920 to us from antiquity, from the earliest days of the church.

01:13:48.940 Hail Mary, glory be.

01:13:52.420 There's so many wonderful prayers.

01:13:54.720 And there's one prayer.

01:13:56.760 There is one prayer that Jesus Christ gives us directly and explicitly in the Bible.

01:14:03.320 And it is the Lord's Prayer.

01:14:04.500 That's the one they want to change.

01:14:06.360 If that doesn't tell you everything about some modern eccentric religious sects, I don't know what will.

01:14:11.940 There's a great line, comes from the 20th century, and it's variously associated to lots of figures,

01:14:18.040 so I'll associate it with Fulton Sheen.

01:14:20.180 And it's that if you marry yourself to the spirit of the age, you will find yourself a widow in the next. 0.83

01:14:27.620 Michael Knowles, this is why we love talking to you.

01:14:30.840 It's like you're funny and you're witty and you leave us with a little bit of cultural references

01:14:34.640 we hadn't heard before.

01:14:36.400 Always a pleasure, my friend.

01:14:37.700 Thanks for coming on.

01:14:39.300 Wonderful to be with you, Megan.

01:14:40.200 Thanks for having me.

01:14:41.420 So fun.

01:14:42.380 Okay.

01:14:43.260 One MK to another. 0.52

01:14:44.840 We're going to be right back with the very latest on the investigations into Hunter Biden.

01:14:49.000 I know it's confusing, but here on this show, we've made a commitment to you to try to keep it very simple.

01:14:53.120 Not Kamala Harris level simple, but at your education level simple.

01:14:58.600 And we're going to do just that in two minutes.

01:15:01.100 The media playing a bit of catch up on allegations about the Biden family's business dealings.

01:15:11.300 We brought these to you last Thursday, followed up again on Friday.

01:15:16.060 Now, finally, we're seeing some coverage of this issue in the mainstream press.

01:15:21.040 It would appear many of these so-called journalists, however, are much more concerned about the alleged wrongdoing by the man making the accusations against the Bidens than they are with any of the substance of what he is alleging.

01:15:37.020 Remember this guy, Gal Luft?

01:15:39.300 The New York Post broke the reporting.

01:15:40.980 They broke the videotape of this guy who is a dual citizen, American and Israeli making allegations.

01:15:46.380 And he has been for years about the Biden family.

01:15:50.320 Well, now he's been charged, which he admitted he'd been charged in his whistleblower or whatever you want to call it video.

01:15:57.860 And only once the indictment was unsealed at Gal Luft's request did the media decide this is an OK story to cover because they could use the allegations to discredit him.

01:16:08.720 Without taking any sort of an honest look at whether what he is saying could potentially be true.

01:16:14.820 Doesn't mean it is true, but why wouldn't we at least be looking into it at this stage of the game?

01:16:21.300 Margot Cleveland is senior legal correspondent for The Federalist, who has been covering all these stories about the Biden family allegations very closely.

01:16:29.820 And she joins me now.

01:16:30.720 Margot, great to have you.

01:16:31.580 How are you?

01:16:32.640 I'm doing well.

01:16:33.320 Thanks so much, Megan.

01:16:34.820 My pleasure.

01:16:35.400 And the audience should know you're a legit lawyer.

01:16:37.560 I mean, you've been you've been practicing law for many, many years.

01:16:39.920 We're with a federal clerk as a federal clerk for a law judge for many, many years, a judge.

01:16:45.640 So, you know what you're talking about?

01:16:46.900 You're not just a pundit when it comes to legal issues.

01:16:50.020 Let's start with this Gal Luft and then we'll talk about just to keep it simple for the audience.

01:16:54.060 There's many aspects to the Hunter, Joe, Jim Biden alleged corruption.

01:16:59.160 But the ones we're going to talk about today involve this guy, Gal Luft, who I mentioned a moment ago.

01:17:04.140 And then we'll talk about the U.S. attorney in Delaware who gave Hunter the sweetheart deal.

01:17:09.400 And many of us are asking what happened to all the serious charges, because that conflict about whether this U.S. attorney in Delaware has told us the full truth or is doing some sort of a cover up for Merrick Garland, et cetera, remains at issue.

01:17:23.320 All right.

01:17:23.500 Gal Luft comes out and says, I know Hunter Biden.

01:17:26.420 And I've known the Bidens for a long time and I had some I had a think tank that was very well respected by many people in Washington.

01:17:32.620 I had the CIA director, former guy James Woolsey, in partnership with me on this think tank.

01:17:37.280 I was cited in MSNBC and NBC and all these other mainstream news outlets for years, thanks to my knowledge of China policy and so on.

01:17:44.480 Well, he says in March of 2019 under President Trump, I called the FBI and said, I need to meet with you about the Bidens.

01:17:56.180 I'm very tight with this Chinese energy company, which is very tight with the Communist Party over in China.

01:18:02.800 And I happen to know, thanks to my ties to this CEFC, that the Bidens are up to no good.

01:18:08.740 The Bidens are taking money from these guys and including while Joe Biden was the sitting vice president, this was happening.

01:18:15.700 So I've got things I want to tell you.

01:18:17.320 So the FBI goes over, they meet with him along with two U.S. attorneys.

01:18:21.400 And he, according to him, tells them the whole thing.

01:18:24.860 He does not believe there's any follow up.

01:18:26.520 And then a year later, October of 2020, he dispatches his lawyer stateside to have another meeting with the U.S. attorney who basically tells him, look, we're a month away from the election and pursuant to DOJ policy.

01:18:39.240 We don't investigate the family or the candidate who's about to be on the ballot.

01:18:43.440 And the next thing Gal Luft knows, it's February of 21, I guess.

01:18:48.540 Or no, it was actually a year later, February of 22.

01:18:50.520 And he gets arrested and they accuse him of weapons sales, of not registering as a foreign agent and of lying to the FBI.

01:19:01.080 Then he comes out with his whistleblower video just last week and says, this is all part of trying to smear me.

01:19:07.500 I'm the one who reached out to them.

01:19:09.160 They're trying to discredit me.

01:19:11.120 Could be that.

01:19:12.260 Could be Gal Luft realized he was in a whole host of trouble and decided to play a card he had to make it look like the whole thing.

01:19:20.600 Was a setup of Gal Luft.

01:19:22.560 We don't know.

01:19:23.840 But what's interesting to me, Margo, is the absolute disinterest in the story until at Gal Luft's request, the indictment against him, which happened months ago, was unsealed.

01:19:33.640 And now finally, the media has a way of hitting him severely to talk about these allegations.

01:19:39.780 Now they have some interest in it.

01:19:41.000 So what do you make of it all?

01:19:41.800 Well, this, again, is part and parcel of what has been going on with both the media and the FBI and DOJ.

01:19:50.120 So as you mentioned, this goes back to March of 2019.

01:19:55.040 And the assistant U.S. attorneys who talked with him were the ones who were prosecuting the other folks involved in the Chinese business maneuvering.

01:20:05.960 And you might remember that they are the ones who said, we don't want the Biden name mentioned in the indictment.

01:20:12.880 So that was a connection already.

01:20:16.560 What happened to that 2019 interview?

01:20:20.960 I think that goes back to how much has been buried here.

01:20:24.320 And just yesterday, Congressman Comer requested the FBI turn that information over.

01:20:31.920 And as you said, we don't know, is he playing a card or was he really being set up by the government?

01:20:39.020 The thing to keep in mind here is any time you have someone who knows the inside details, they're usually not good guys.

01:20:46.860 That's how you get the criminals usually.

01:20:49.180 You either be them, you bug them or you flip them.

01:20:52.700 Those are the three main ways.

01:20:54.760 So the fact that he might have been in bed with the Chinese Communist Party, that doesn't say anything other than, hey, if he knows the Chinese Communist Party and was in bed with them, so was Hunter Biden.

01:21:06.760 That was the same exact company.

01:21:09.940 That's what he's saying.

01:21:11.640 Now, I don't know if this guy was facilitating weapons sales to places like Libya.

01:21:15.480 It's a problem.

01:21:16.600 Or dealings with Iran against whom we have sanctions.

01:21:20.640 It's a problem.

01:21:21.340 But they also have charged him with violating FARA, F-A-R-A, the Foreign Agent Registration Act, which requires if you're working in the United States on behalf of a foreign government that you disclose it.

01:21:33.180 So we know exactly who we're dealing with.

01:21:34.740 And they're saying he didn't.

01:21:36.400 But he raised in his video, Gal Luft did, if I did that, then Hunter Biden did that in spades and potentially other members of the Biden family.

01:21:46.040 So how am I indicted for this?

01:21:48.120 I want to correct myself, but the indictment came down in February of 23, just unsealed this week at his request.

01:21:54.320 If I am guilty of that and being prosecuted for that, how is Hunter Biden not getting prosecuted for that?

01:22:01.960 Exactly.

01:22:02.640 But then again, how is Hunter Biden not getting prosecuted for gun, the default statement to get the gun when everyone else is?

01:22:10.840 So again, this is part and parcel of the collaboration between the media, the DOJ and the FBI to protect the Biden family.

01:22:20.560 And whether Gal Luft is a arms dealer and a bad guy or not, you still need to follow up on this information.

01:22:30.800 And that's where March of 2019, they should have been following up.

01:22:36.980 You've got to tie this all into also what Senator Grassley has said, that the FBI purposefully buried information.

01:22:45.720 We had FBI headquarters Brian Otten, who the whistleblower claimed opened up an assessment so that the FBI could falsely label things disinformation.

01:22:56.740 We also just to just to just to just to add to that, just so the audience can follow this guy, Brian Otten, is an anti-Trump guy inside the FBI who's been maneuvering things inside the FBI against Trump and to protect Biden for a long, long time.

01:23:10.420 And there are real questions being asked now, including of Christopher Wray.

01:23:13.900 Why is this guy still employed?

01:23:15.380 Why is he still in the FBI?

01:23:18.420 Absolutely.

01:23:18.860 And Megan, I'm so glad that you mentioned that, because yesterday when those questions were posed to Wray, there was a really good point that I hadn't thought of.

01:23:27.340 After Otten was already in internal investigation for what he did in Crossfire Hurricane, he was somehow still involved in and started doing this assessment that came to the information.

01:23:41.280 I'm sorry, how can you possibly do that, that you have the person that's under investigation for politicizing in Crossfire Hurricane now involved in this situation?

01:23:52.700 So, again, this just this has so many webs and so many legs to it.

01:23:58.480 But the bottom line is very simple.

01:24:01.500 We have a well-respected, confidential human source who told the FBI that the owner of Burisma had said.

01:24:11.680 Now we switched just after just just to reset the scale of the scene.

01:24:15.680 So now we're moving from Gallup in China over to Ukraine and hundreds, many dealings there.

01:24:21.880 Go ahead.

01:24:22.700 Right.

01:24:23.300 So we're now back to Ukraine.

01:24:25.340 But we have the biggest bombshell here, which is Burisma's owner told a confidential human source with years of credible experience working with our government under the Obama administration that Burisma paid five million to Joe and five million to Hunter.

01:24:49.440 He actually called him.

01:24:50.080 He actually called him the big guy.

01:24:52.300 So the Ukraine owner called him the big guy before the laptop story broke.

01:24:58.480 That 1023 was sent to Delaware to be investigated.

01:25:03.340 And it doesn't look like any investigation happened.

01:25:07.840 Our whistleblowers didn't know anything about that document.

01:25:11.580 So the gal loft might be a different country, but it's the same story of pay to play. 0.91

01:25:17.940 It's the same story of being buried by the FBI, the DOJ and the media.

01:25:23.260 So deeply troubling.

01:25:26.860 I do want to get to that piece of it in one second.

01:25:29.360 But before we leave gal loft, we take a take a trip back to China for one more second.

01:25:33.920 Um, Jake Sullivan was asked of the NSA was asked about about gal loft and his extraordinary allegations that just this week and listen to how he handled it.

01:25:47.740 Listen to this.

01:25:49.520 U.S. attorney from the Southern District of New York died in a man named gal loft for violating the 40 Agents Registration Act by working without registration from a company called CESC China Energy.

01:25:59.700 Uh, the president's son and brother were at the same firm without registration.

01:26:04.260 What's the White House's take on the potential of their liability, uh, far liability for the first family of the president here?

01:26:12.180 I've not seen that and can't comment on it.

01:26:14.620 Yeah.

01:26:15.580 So he has no idea.

01:26:16.760 Just to clarify, because it was hard to hear.

01:26:18.460 The question was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York indicted gal loft for violating farah.

01:26:23.760 Um, the president's son and brother worked for the same firm without registration.

01:26:27.020 So what's the White House's take on the potential farah or, uh, bar of liability for the first family?

01:26:33.280 Haven't seen that and kind of comment.

01:26:34.720 That's a lie.

01:26:35.500 He 100% has seen that.

01:26:37.000 He knows full well, but he knows that the rest of the media will run cover on it.

01:26:41.460 So he doesn't have to answer.

01:26:43.520 Absolutely.

01:26:44.260 And you know who else knows all about this?

01:26:46.180 Joe Biden.

01:26:46.820 The person who says I had nothing to do with my son's business dealings.

01:26:50.040 So, again, it's just it's part and parcel of everything that's been going on with the Bidens and the Biden investigation.

01:26:57.500 Okay, so now let's stay over in the the lane of the IRS whistleblowers who came forward.

01:27:05.200 Gary Shapley is the one.

01:27:06.440 Then the other is unnamed.

01:27:07.600 And now we're going to have a new hearing with them, thanks to James Comer, which will be good.

01:27:10.780 Um, and they've alleged that there's a reason David Weiss, the U.S. attorney for Delaware, did not bring really meaty charges against Hunter and let the statute of limitations expire on some of the worst claims that could have been brought against Hunter.

01:27:26.780 And that is DOJ interference.

01:27:28.700 That is Merrick Garland and another deputy working on the case at every turn, tipped off Hunter Biden about investigations or interviews that were going to happen, shut down any mention of Joe Biden or an actual look into whether Joe Biden had a connection to this.

01:27:43.440 The big guy, all that.

01:27:44.360 No, it's a no.

01:27:45.640 You can't go there.

01:27:47.120 And basically protected the president and his son from start to finish.

01:27:51.320 And that whistleblower says David Weiss, the U.S. attorney, admitted to the IRS whistleblowers and other FBI agents at a meeting that he didn't have full authority and that he had been turned down by U.S. attorneys in California and D.C. on bringing charges.

01:28:07.060 Now, Weiss is coming out kind of siding with Merrick Garland saying that's not true.

01:28:12.880 The whistleblower doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:28:14.780 They don't know what they're talking about.

01:28:16.540 But there is a memo that the whistleblower Shapley wrote that we've seen now dated October 7th, 2022, that he sent to his boss and the boss signs off on it saying, thanks, you covered it all.

01:28:28.700 Doesn't say you misstated everything, Gary Shapley.

01:28:31.280 And in that memo, he says the whistleblower now Shapley, among other things, quote, Weiss, David Weiss, the U.S. attorney for Delaware, stated that he is not the deciding person on whether charges are filed.

01:28:42.960 And it goes on to say he told us DOJ denied his request for special counsel authority and told him to instead, quote, follow the process.

01:28:52.660 Now, Weiss is trying to weasel out of all of this by saying, I never I never asked to be special counsel.

01:28:57.980 I was told I would be labeled special attorney, which is a slightly different thing.

01:29:03.980 If I needed that authority, it'd be granted to me and and suggest it may still be granted to me like it's all wide open.

01:29:10.820 Well, you've you've let the statute of limitations run you.

01:29:14.220 The New York Times confirmed you were turned down by the California U.S.

01:29:18.000 attorney and or the the U.S.

01:29:20.020 attorney in Delaware.

01:29:20.740 You've already been to her in D.C.

01:29:22.560 You've already been turned down.

01:29:23.440 You already let the statute run.

01:29:24.460 Don't pretend it's all still out there and you still might do all this.

01:29:27.700 So what's happening here, Margo?

01:29:30.380 So the big question I have is, did Weiss lie to his agents when he said that he is not in control of it?

01:29:40.620 Or did he lie then to Congress when he said, I've always been told I have this kind of authority to do it?

01:29:48.460 And with Weiss, who, again, is the Delaware U.S.

01:29:51.300 attorney, he's the holdover from Trump, which the left is trying to portray as, oh, see, he he's in control of this.

01:29:59.200 He's trying to change the story every chance he gets.

01:30:02.700 He has never come out, though, and contradicted what the whistleblowers have said, which was during this meeting.

01:30:10.060 And not only did he say he's not in charge, but he said that he tried to get the authority to bring the charges and he was denied it.

01:30:17.620 And as you noted, the next day or actually it was that evening, he sent a confirmation email summarizing it, which another individual in the meeting confirmed happened.

01:30:27.860 But for the attorney general, he has a bigger problem because he said under oath to Chuck Prasley, who was very specific in the questioning, attorney general Garland said he has the authority.

01:30:43.440 Not I will give him the authority, but he has the authority.

01:30:47.520 So we have Weiss trying to give cover to Garland.

01:30:52.400 Yes.

01:30:53.080 And I don't I don't know why.

01:30:54.600 It doesn't make sense.

01:30:55.920 It doesn't make sense at all, because now you've got OK, there's a piece at MSNBC where a former Michigan U.S. attorney is trying to explain this all like it all comes down to the whistleblowers misunderstanding of special counsel versus special attorney.

01:31:10.600 And the two men were just talking past each other.

01:31:12.440 Well, that doesn't make sense because a whistleblower did not put it in those terms.

01:31:15.340 The whistleblower Shapley's memo says Weiss stated he is not the deciding person on whether charges are filed.

01:31:23.000 He wasn't hung up on the terms exactly.

01:31:24.640 He said he's not the deciding person.

01:31:26.900 And Weiss is saying he is the he was the deciding person.

01:31:29.580 So which is it?

01:31:30.360 That doesn't work.

01:31:31.500 And then her piece on MSNBC, why Hunter Biden IRS whistleblower controversy is fizzling.

01:31:37.920 She says the following.

01:31:39.780 Look, Weiss says that he discussed with justice the possibility of being appointed a special attorney, which isn't a special counsel.

01:31:48.540 Special counsel does ultimately have to answer to Merrick Garland.

01:31:50.780 She says special attorney would not.

01:31:53.360 So a special attorney would actually have had more power.

01:31:56.200 And she says, Weiss says he was assured he would be granted this authority if it proved necessary.

01:32:04.200 Here's my problem.

01:32:05.800 Weiss is he is hiding the story.

01:32:08.820 If he got in front of me, I would say, did you ask why or why not?

01:32:13.200 Were you turned down by the U.S.

01:32:15.000 Attorneys in D.C. and or in California?

01:32:18.840 What did you then do?

01:32:20.480 What how did you satisfy yourself before the statute of limitations ran that these crimes would be prosecuted, that you clearly believe should be prosecuted if you went to California and D.C.

01:32:29.220 and asked for that?

01:32:29.960 Why did you not then proceed on your own if you had the authority?

01:32:35.200 And if you didn't have your the authority, did you or did you not ask to be appointed as either special counsel or special attorney, however you want to put it?

01:32:43.520 And why not?

01:32:44.620 Those are very simple questions.

01:32:46.280 They are as well as what did you tell your staff? 0.86

01:32:51.560 But this whole distinction between special counsel and special attorney is not just ridiculous.

01:32:57.120 It actually makes Weiss look worse because if he could have been appointed a special attorney, which, as you noted, has bigger authority, he didn't have to go to Garland.

01:33:08.040 Why did he not have that authority immediately to make sure that there was no political playing going on?

01:33:14.900 And as you noted, what he says, what Weiss said in that meeting makes no sense for the distinction between the two.

01:33:24.620 He didn't say, well, I didn't ask for special counsel.

01:33:28.040 He said I didn't have the authority and they would not charge it.

01:33:31.980 That is consistent with whether it is special counsel or special attorney.

01:33:37.400 Yes.

01:33:38.020 So what happens now?

01:33:39.200 We're going to get the whistleblowers back before Congress.

01:33:41.380 Are we going to get Weiss and or Garland back?

01:33:44.540 It's like you need all these people at once before Congress talking at once.

01:33:50.000 You do.

01:33:50.900 You definitely need to get both Weiss and Garland testifying.

01:33:54.500 But honestly, Grassley has been dropping breadcrumbs for some time.

01:33:59.440 He has something more out there.

01:34:01.140 I'm convinced of it.

01:34:02.280 And I think it comes down to Brian Auten.

01:34:04.420 So I think that's what we're going to have to watch.

01:34:06.420 But there's still a lot to come.

01:34:07.620 My gosh, I know it's confusing, but just, you know, follow the stories.

01:34:12.900 You've got you got Gal Loft.

01:34:14.640 You got China and you got Ukraine.

01:34:17.820 And then you've got these IRS guys who are supposed to investigate financial misdeeds by Hunter Biden that may relate to all of this.

01:34:24.980 You know, falsities in his tax reporting on all of these incomes and this guy inside the FBI who may have been running cover from start to finish.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 13, 2023

No Cocaine Culprit, CNN's Dylan Mulvaney Apology, and Hunter Investigation Questions, with Michael Knowles and Margot Cleveland ｜ Ep. 587

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