The Megyn Kelly Show - NPR Whistleblower Resigns, Smug Elites, and Sports Pay Disparity Reality, with Andrew Klavan ｜ Ep. 769

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I'm Megyn Kelly. The fallout continues from the NPR

00:00:16.980 whistleblower's expose about his media company as he announced he's resigning. But the new CEO,

00:00:24.060 Catherine Mayer, oh, she's not going anywhere. She continues to be a focus of what's being

00:00:28.480 uncovered now, including her crazy take on truth. Truth. This woman is unbelievable. Joining me now, 0.95

00:00:35.820 one of our favorites, Andrew Klavan. He's host of The Daily Wires, The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:00:41.100 And you can also find him on Substack at thenewjerusalem.substack.com.

00:00:48.920 Andrew, welcome back. Good to see you, Megyn. Thanks for having me.

00:00:52.200 Okay, so this poor guy, Uri Berliner, is out. He's like, I'm sorry, you know, I respect NPR and

00:00:58.440 all the years I've spent here, but I just, I can't be a part of this anymore. And left. Meanwhile,

00:01:05.200 this kook who's running NPR continues to hold her perch with not a word said by NPR about her 0.99

00:01:14.160 incendiary tweets over the past 15 years. She wasn't the CEO for most of these. She was running

00:01:21.460 Wikipedia. And we'll get to what that tells us about this other site and just who is atop the

00:01:27.060 American media complex. But it just feels wrong. And it seems like they got rid of the one guy who,

00:01:33.700 yes, was admittedly liberal, but at least could understand the damage that doing only liberal

00:01:38.520 bents on every aspect of the news would have to this news organization. What do you think of it?

00:01:44.120 Well, first of all, it goes beyond liberal bias. It was absolute dishonesty and not never taking

00:01:49.440 responsibility for the times you got the story wrong because you were so busy trying to bring down

00:01:53.040 Donald Trump. But what really was striking was Yuri Berliner's original talk, which was to Barry Weiss's

00:01:59.340 free press, was so specific in his attacks. It was not just a sort of broad, you guys are biased,

00:02:05.700 you slant a little here. It was this story, that story, that story. So for instance, the Russian 0.52

00:02:09.860 collusion story, which was a complete hoax, a complete passage of Hillary Clinton's campaign dirt 0.90

00:02:17.740 to the FBI, to the press, through the FBI, and then this completely bogus, years-long

00:02:23.540 investigation, when it died out with the Mueller report, when it turned out there was no Russian

00:02:28.060 collusion, which was always ridiculous, they never said, oh, you know what? For the last two years,

00:02:33.940 we've been selling this nonsense. The attempt to destroy Donald Trump was so intense that it justified 0.61

00:02:40.860 anything. So now he brings out this very specific series of charges. And Catherine Marr responds with

00:02:48.640 this typical emotional, you know, I don't even know what to call it. It's this kind of emotional

00:02:54.480 reaction. Oh, that's hurtful. That's mean. It's degrading, never addressing the obvious truth,

00:03:02.060 the provable truth of the charges. And so then he's suspended on a technicality, which is that he didn't

00:03:07.620 ask permission to go to the free press before he did, which was apparently against some in-house

00:03:11.780 rule. He's suspended for five days, and she unleashes on him all this time about what a 1.00

00:03:16.940 terrible guy he is. And finally, of course, of course, he has to resign. He has to walk away from

00:03:21.360 that. Meanwhile, with the help of Chris Rufo, who's always doing great work, Catherine Marr is exposed

00:03:28.660 as an absolute fruitcake. I mean, she has no journalistic background. Her commitment to wokeism is

00:03:36.420 intense. So she completely believes that any kind of attack on her, who's a white person, is somehow

00:03:44.380 an attack on black people. It's somehow racist, is somehow implying that, you know, DEI is a bad

00:03:50.160 thing, which of course it is. But also she's on a tech talk, on a video, declaring basically that

00:03:57.380 there's no such thing as truth, which is a great thing for a journalist to believe, because you're not

00:04:02.980 no longer a journalistic operation. You're basically Disney World. So the thing about this

00:04:09.180 is NPR has always had this certain power over a huge number of people for the simple reason

00:04:15.480 that it covered elite cultural stories in a way no right-wing site did. So someone like me,

00:04:22.820 who is a conservative politically, but is very culturally oriented, who loves the arts, who wants

00:04:27.400 to hear about the arts, could actually turn on NPR and hear about a jazz musician or a painter or

00:04:32.600 something that you weren't going to hear about anywhere else and hear interviews with people

00:04:36.680 like that, that basically weren't all that political and basically just discussed the kind

00:04:40.880 of cultural things that were going on. So even I would listen to NPR, but after a while, every single

00:04:46.360 story that they did was geared toward attacking people like me. And so we started to drop away.

00:04:51.580 And another one of Berliner's provable charges was that they no longer had any reporters who were

00:04:59.020 anything but Democrats, but any listeners who were anything but Democrats. Their listenership

00:05:03.280 had solidified, had congealed around their point of view, as of course it does. And that creates this

00:05:09.160 destructive cycle. The same thing has happened to the New York Times. When you're only pitching to

00:05:14.140 those people, you have to get more and more radical, more and more intense in your content in order to

00:05:19.140 keep them there. The New York Times only has to stray a little bit and NPR too has to stray a little

00:05:23.660 bit from the left-wing line for people to suddenly get upset and say, why are you moving away from the

00:05:28.820 great truths of wokeism and socialism? And so basically, you know, this station that was supposed

00:05:36.800 to be for all of us, publicly funded, gets a lot of public funds, that was speaking to a sizable

00:05:42.100 number of elite conservatives, the kind of conservatives who care about the arts, who care about the

00:05:46.980 culture, basically just ditched us. It just said, we don't want you. The culture doesn't belong to

00:05:52.700 you. Beauty doesn't belong to you. Art doesn't belong to you. Nothing that has to do with the

00:05:56.860 truth belongs to you. You're gone. And we left. And this is the same thing that's happened politically

00:06:01.020 to the Democrat Party. It's the same thing that's happened to the mainstream media. And now it's

00:06:05.360 happening to NPR. And the fact that no one besides Ted Cruz is talking about pulling their funding

00:06:10.320 is absolutely embarrassing. It's true. Why? Why are you and I and everyone listening to us right

00:06:17.340 now? Why are we paying this woman's salary? I object. I don't want her in my employee at all. 1.00

00:06:23.580 She's a nutcase. As you point out, fruitcake is a very nice way of saying it. Chris Rufo's latest, 0.99

00:06:28.920 just a couple of samples from her agenda for the day. This is June 20th, 2012. Put on a dress,

00:06:34.860 meet some senior officials, boss it in a man's world, critique the politics of representation,

00:06:41.480 scotch. Oh, you go, girl. You go. I mean, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for her.

00:06:47.520 Okay. Then October 14th, 2016. For the record, I don't usually fly business class,

00:06:53.960 just board past it on the way to the back of the bus. As Chris pointed out, oh, you're a regular

00:06:59.120 Rosa Parks, Adam. Look at you. Not getting a business class ticket. Oh, how,

00:07:04.600 thank you for your sacrifice. Uh, she goes on May 31st, 2019. Anyone else love watching the credits at

00:07:13.060 the end of a movie or a show, just to marvel at the diversity of names and surnames involved

00:07:19.140 always gives me a happy goosebumps to see the world scroll by. And then there was this one from June of

00:07:25.900 2020, getting a COVID test and love this little prompt of inclusion re reference to the wifi password

00:07:33.180 at the testing site being he, she, they, and you know, she scolded Hillary for using the terms 0.99

00:07:39.120 boy and girl because they're not inclusive. She's not well, this person she's out, but she's in

00:07:46.640 Yuri's out. And NPR has shown zero self-reflection or desire to make this like, you know what, this could

00:07:54.220 be a moment where we could try to work on bringing, bringing conservatives back into the fold. Remember

00:07:57.800 like CNN tried when they changed ownership and they brought in Chris Licht and you know, that didn't

00:08:02.640 go well for various other reasons, but at least they had the moment where they're like, Oh gee,

00:08:07.000 Hey, Oh, all the conservatives are gone. They're all gone. What should we do? No, nothing.

00:08:12.740 Yeah. They can't fix it because now their audience is all one thing. So in order to fix it,

00:08:17.140 they have to, you know, withstand the slings and arrows that are going to be brought down on them

00:08:21.220 by very vocal left-wing audience. And that just a vocal slice of that audience. But the one thing

00:08:27.440 about this is I can't help feeling there's a little bit of pride go with before the fall here, because

00:08:31.700 the domination, the left's domination of the news media, the entertainment media, and the academy

00:08:37.080 has essentially cut them off from a large swath of the American people, which is why they were so 0.99

00:08:41.740 taken aback, so shocked by Donald Trump's original presidential victory, because they had no idea

00:08:47.320 that people of goodwill, people who really care about the country, people who are not racist,

00:08:52.120 would vote for a man like this when they thought they had this basically under control. And what

00:08:57.120 we're seeing in, for instance, these absurd prosecutions of Donald Trump covered, you know,

00:09:03.340 given air cover by places like the New York Times, which treats them as if they have any seriousness

00:09:07.880 whatsoever. What we're seeing is a kind of pride that they believe that their hold on the press is so

00:09:13.480 complete, that it can't be gotten through. We're not going to be able to see the truth because

00:09:18.120 they're going to make it invisible, as they did during the last election, when the Hunter Biden

00:09:24.420 laptop story was, for instance, silenced before it could have any effect on the electorate. They think

00:09:28.900 they can do that again, and they think they can do it forever. And I'm not sure, because what I'm

00:09:33.260 seeing is I'm seeing a real shift in the way news is ingested by the public at large, especially by

00:09:39.720 people under the age of, let's say, 50. They're now taking it in from various sites. They don't

00:09:45.480 trust the mainstream. The COVID lies have completely alienated Gen Z. I mean, they're looking at this

00:09:52.280 and saying, oh, you know, when you tell us that riots are mostly peaceful, that, you know, this

00:09:56.460 COVID came, didn't come from a Chinese lab, when you lie and lie and lie and then silence people 0.91

00:10:00.900 who try to get the truth out, we don't trust you anymore. That shift is happening without the left

00:10:06.600 really seeing it. Because for now, and, you know, politicians only think in terms of the next

00:10:11.320 election, for now, their grip is still very tough. But just things like the Daily Wire,

00:10:16.660 the Megyn Kelly show, Elon Musk on X, all of these things are bringing out a lot of different

00:10:22.560 information from a lot of different places. And I think they're going to be surprised when they find

00:10:27.380 that everybody sees that they are actually lying to us all the time and covering up all the time.

00:10:34.560 So, you know, I think this is a dangerous situation for the left to be in, which is

00:10:39.060 all to the good. But it's the kind of pridefulness that they have so much power,

00:10:43.800 so much control over the flow of information that nobody can hear anything. But I don't think

00:10:48.420 they're right. I think that the internet has changed all of that. And slowly, people are waking

00:10:52.760 up to what's going on. And when they hear the concerns expressed by the right half of the country

00:10:59.100 about, you know, the policies that have gotten us here, the culture wars that have completely

00:11:03.420 changed children's existence, their safety, and so on, they respond with just disdain. I mean, just

00:11:12.180 dripping, oozing disdain for these people who might object to their view of how America must be.

00:11:20.000 And that, unfortunately, leads me to Katie Couric, who sat down with Bill Maher and said the following.

00:11:26.860 Take a listen to this. It's not 30. And I feel like, to your point, Bill, the socioeconomic

00:11:33.980 disparities are a lot, and class resentment is a lot, and anti-intellectualism and elitism

00:11:43.120 is what is driving many of these anti-establishment, which are Trump voters, or anti-establishment voters.

00:11:52.340 So I think that is a huge problem that we have to address. I mean, globalization and,

00:12:01.260 you know, the transition from an industrial to a technological society. I mean, I, and I don't know

00:12:09.440 if you've ever been jealous of some, what someone else has or resentful. It is such a corroding

00:12:16.600 and, um, bitter, almost vile feeling.

00:12:25.080 Wow. Anti-intellectuals who are bitter, jealous, and corrosive over their envy for her half. 0.87

00:12:34.900 You know, I, I used to call these people, uh, elites without mirrors because they couldn't see

00:12:39.980 how awful they were, but I'm beginning to think that they're elite without windows because they can't

00:12:44.300 look outside and see that Trump, for all his flaws, gave us four years without a new war,

00:12:50.620 where this guy has set the world on fire. Biden has, in his weakness and his dithering and his

00:12:55.740 complete, constant misunderstanding of the world stage, has brought us very, very close to a widely

00:13:03.080 extended war, not just in the Middle East, but in Ukraine and with Ukraine and Russia. He has his

00:13:09.280 economics. They keep telling us that his economics are great. It's, we just don't know it yet.

00:13:13.380 They keep saying, oh, you know, like inflation is under control. Well, first of all, it's not under

00:13:17.820 control, but their idea of it's being under control is that after, you know, years of it's

00:13:22.920 being extremely high, it's a little less high than it was, but eggs are still, you know, what is it?

00:13:28.180 I don't know, 65% higher than what they were. People see their bills, you know, they see that

00:13:34.380 things are going badly. We see that our cities, you know, they keep telling us how crime is down in

00:13:39.400 our cities. I don't believe it. It's possible that murder is down because they've kind of been

00:13:43.980 policing that, but I don't believe that crime is down in cities where all you have to do is talk

00:13:48.760 to people. It's a lie. It's truly just a lie because crime spiked. And then in some instances,

00:13:55.140 it fell a little from this enormous spike. It's still above normal. And on top of that,

00:13:59.420 they're not prosecuting anymore. So the cops, many instances, they just don't even arrest the people

00:14:03.780 because they know it's going to be a revolving door out the police station with a note with a DA who

00:14:08.600 doesn't want to prosecute it. Why fill out the paperwork? Why do it? Anyway, that's another

00:14:12.540 thing. But I'm amazed to hear the disdain, like the, that was like another bitter clingers. It was

00:14:18.460 another basket of deplorables, these anti-intellectual, you know, bitter, envious people

00:14:24.100 who are Trump supporters. That's, that's the problem. They're, they're bitter. I mean, talk about not

00:14:28.480 getting it, not, not even close to getting it. Um, I want to ask you about Molly Ringwald because

00:14:33.400 before you became a star on the daily wire, you were a star in Hollywood, uh, screenwriting for

00:14:38.960 many big movies and very well celebrated in your writing as an author as well. And Molly Ringwald,

00:14:44.280 who was, you know, the star of the day when I was a kid, you know, breakfast club and pretty in pink

00:14:50.400 and all these amazing movies, 16 candles has now spent most of her adult life. As far as I can tell,

00:14:56.040 bashing them, bashing the movies. Um, she came out in 18 and talked about John Hughes and how the

00:15:01.140 movies were too, uh, I can't remember her word, but it was something like too misogynistic and too

00:15:06.380 me too-y and, um, she should have spoken out. And now she adds this to her latest running commentary

00:15:13.320 at the Miami film festival last weekend. Take a listen. Those movies, the movies that, you know,

00:15:19.020 are, I'm so well known for, they were very much of a time, you know, and, and if you were to remake

00:15:24.820 that now, I think it would have to be much more diverse and it would have to be, um, you know,

00:15:30.680 it, you couldn't make a movie that white. Now, now those movies are really, really very white 0.93

00:15:38.340 and, and they don't really represent, um, you know, what it is to be a teenager in a school in

00:15:45.600 America today. I don't think. I'm so sick of this nonsense. So what you're, you're sorry that you

00:15:53.900 were in a film where white people were the dominant characters. Just stop. Let us enjoy it. Shut up for 1.00

00:15:59.360 that matter. Go away so that we can just enjoy the acting version of you instead of the real, 1.00

00:16:03.760 who gives a shit what Molly Ringwald thinks about anything. Just be quiet. Let your art speak for 0.99

00:16:08.680 itself. We enjoyed it. And you're making us enjoy it less with your political commentary.

00:16:13.640 You know, this is a real problem. First of all, I have to say it back in the day when she was in her

00:16:18.620 prime, I was madly in love with Molly Ringwald. So my heart is breaking just a little bit. I'm,

00:16:23.080 you know, I may have to recover from this, but you know, there is this thing going on. If,

00:16:26.780 if you like movies, stories where everything you watch is an act of preachment, where they're telling

00:16:33.220 you not just what the world is like, which is what art is supposed to do. They're telling you what

00:16:38.100 they believe the world should be. And if you don't like it, there's something wrong with you.

00:16:41.900 So everybody has noticed this. There's no such thing as a white person married to another white 0.91

00:16:46.740 person. There's no such thing as a male hero. I recently watched the three body problem,

00:16:52.080 a science fiction, an adaptation on Netflix of a science fiction novel, a novel of which I kind of

00:16:57.100 enjoyed. And it was really interesting because the heroes were hard driving physicists, all of whom

00:17:04.600 were women. And the men were all these kind of slightly neurotic, passive, you know, support

00:17:11.100 staff. And I was watching this and going, I guess this is why they call it fantasy and science fiction,

00:17:15.420 because that's not really what the world looks like. And it becomes kind of offensive after a

00:17:20.340 while, because I don't care if you want to make a woman a hero. I don't care about who, you know,

00:17:25.120 what color the person is. I care about being preached to by people I happen to know are some of the worst

00:17:30.080 people in America, you know, people who are working on their fourth wife, you know, they're driving to

00:17:34.200 their from divorce court and have to pick up their kid at rehab because they never took care of them.

00:17:38.280 And they're going to stand up and preach to me about what my life should be like and what the

00:17:42.560 world should look like, even though it doesn't look like this. So even when Molly Ringwald is saying

00:17:46.880 this, she is essentially just kowtowing to an elite cabal of mostly white people who are imposing 0.99

00:17:55.500 this on artists. So artists are being told what to say. And, you know, I'm telling you, Megan,

00:18:00.460 I experienced this only a little bit because I'm so ornery at this point. I just won't change

00:18:04.700 anything. But all I have to do in my last novel, I had a couple of remarks about transgenderism,

00:18:12.720 a girl going through a phase of transgenderism before returning to sanity. And they wanted me to 1.00

00:18:18.300 cut that out. And I said, you know, I'll pull this book before I cut anything out that is true

00:18:23.180 simply to appease this establishment. It is the establishment. It's the powers that be.

00:18:29.320 So my question is this. If the academy, if Hollywood, if publishing, if the news industry,

00:18:37.260 if the deep state are all telling us one thing, how is we supposed to think that they are serving

00:18:42.800 the powerless, that they are serving the weak? They are the power. They are the elites. And so when

00:18:48.160 Katie Couric says we're anti-elite, what she's talking about is, yeah, we're the people.

00:18:52.920 We're in an uprising against a series of lies where they butchered children, where they forced

00:18:58.860 us to wear masks. They forced us to take medicines we didn't want. Of course, we're anti-elite. Our

00:19:03.900 elites stink. Our elites just went through years of screwing things up because a little flu passed 0.99

00:19:09.700 through town. We get it. You don't like us. We don't like you either. And yeah, she's right. We

00:19:15.600 are anti-elite, but only because our elites are so bad. It doesn't mean that the people who are voting

00:19:19.400 for Trump aren't elites in themselves. That anti-elite, she's not wrong about that,

00:19:24.100 but the anti-intellectual, like, okay, right. She's just a bunch of dumbasses. Okay. Tell it 1.00

00:19:28.660 to Victor Davis Hanson. Yeah. Like, okay. But to your point, Melissa Chen, who's a great follow on

00:19:33.860 Twitter, was tweeting out about this NPR lady, the new CEO, and talking about how, you know,

00:19:39.420 there's a soundbite you referenced. It's too long to play right now, but she basically says you can't

00:19:43.480 find truth anymore. You just have to make a good faith effort, basically. You can't really find real

00:19:47.300 truth. And Wikipedia considers sites reliable under her, when she was at the helm, like Vox,

00:19:55.860 Slate, Mother Jones, The Nation. You know what's not? What's considered reliable? The Daily Wire,

00:20:02.680 Fox News, The New York Post, The Federalist, The Daily Caller. That's her world of, we're just doing

00:20:08.160 our best. You know, we can't get to actual truth, but we're doing our best. This is, if you think it's

00:20:12.220 just the head of Wikipedia or the head of NPR or, you know, these other organizations, you're not paying

00:20:16.940 attention. They're everywhere. And they're really trying to program how our children grow up and

00:20:21.660 what their values are and how we live and speak. So good for you for pushing back on your book.

00:20:26.680 I'll give you the last word. Well, I think this is one of the reasons why one thing that I strongly

00:20:32.180 believe is any idea that you're going to transform Hollywood, transform the news media, transform the

00:20:38.060 networks is absolutely absurd. The only right way for us to go now is to build a parallel media. And the

00:20:45.100 fear there, of course, is that everybody sections off and goes into their little niche and only takes

00:20:50.080 the news that they want. And that's a legitimate fear. But the more likely thing is that the people

00:20:54.820 who tell the truth, the people whose predictions turn out to be true, the people whose ideas are

00:21:00.520 founded in reality and therefore make reality better, are going to attract a larger audience.

00:21:05.400 And then we become the competition.

00:21:06.700 Like a phoenix.

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00:22:11.100 Let's talk about the Catherine Mayer soundbite that we've been referencing. So there's a couple of

00:22:15.160 soundbites that have been surfaced of her. The first one is from this TED talk when she was running

00:22:19.660 Wikipedia. And this is how she described truth and her relationship to it. Watch.

00:22:25.820 The hard things, the places where we are prone to disagreement, say politics and religion. Well,

00:22:32.420 as it turns out, not only does Wikipedia's model work there, it actually works really well. Because

00:22:38.860 in our normal lives, these contentious conversations tend to erupt over disagreement about what the truth

00:22:46.100 actually is. But the people who write these articles, they're not focused on the truth. They're focused

00:22:53.600 on something else, which is the best of what we can know right now. I've come to believe that they

00:23:00.380 are onto something that perhaps for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to

00:23:08.640 convince others of the truth, might not be the right place to start. In fact, our reverence for the truth

00:23:17.340 might be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding common ground and getting things done.

00:23:24.800 It's because the truth of the matter is very often, for many people, what happens when we merge facts

00:23:32.400 about the world with our beliefs about the world. So we all have different truths.

00:23:39.040 Okay. Let me tell you my problem with that. If she actually meant that, if what she meant was

00:23:44.380 when we have a dispute over the COVID origins, we do our best to say, some people believe it's

00:23:50.640 natural origin. And here's the evidence for that. And many people believe it's lab leak. And here's

00:23:55.180 the evidence for that. And, you know, hear what the leading scientists on both sides say.

00:23:58.820 That'd be one thing. That's not at all what Wikipedia or NPR have done at all. They have

00:24:06.360 her version of the truth, the left's version. That's what gets shoved down our throats. And only

00:24:12.180 when that version is proven wrong, do they start saying, well, there's another side. And then you

00:24:18.900 get like one quarter of the page showing some people think it's lab leak. There's a little bit of

00:24:25.080 evidence for lab leak. That's it. That's what she's actually talking about. And anybody who

00:24:29.200 spent a lot of time on Wikipedia, nevermind NPR knows that. That's absolutely right. I mean,

00:24:35.100 that's, that's the first thing they censor people who talk against the party line. They push the

00:24:40.500 party line as if it were somehow holy writ. It really is amazing when you go back and look at the

00:24:45.620 COVID lies. I mean, not to get mired in the past, but to get, look at the COVID lines and how anybody

00:24:50.580 who stood up against them, even if the guy was a doctor and really knew what he was talking about

00:24:55.200 was not just silence, but demonized, threatened with being canceled, threatened with losing his job.

00:25:00.060 The other thing is this searching for the truth is difficult. We all have to do it. We search for

00:25:04.640 moral truth, not just physical truth, which not just factual truth, but also spiritual truth. All of

00:25:09.120 us have to do this. The truth has a certain aspects about it that are universal to it. One is it makes

00:25:16.640 sense. You know, when you walk North from here, you get to Canada. When you walk South, you get to

00:25:21.580 Mexico. That will never change. It's never going to happen the other way around. You're never going

00:25:24.920 to walk South and get to Canada because life actually on a human level makes perfect sense.

00:25:30.240 It all fits together. So when somebody says, for instance, that bigotry is wrong and therefore we

00:25:36.260 have to hate white people and deprive them of their jobs in order to have more black people in their 1.00

00:25:40.260 jobs, we have a right to stop and say, well, wait a minute. If racial bigotry is wrong, 0.99

00:25:44.840 how is punishing white people for things that they never did right? That's the kind of thing

00:25:49.820 that doesn't make sense. And you have to be held accountable for that. And it doesn't change when

00:25:54.900 you call someone's name. The fact that you're not making any sense doesn't magically change when you

00:25:59.400 call somebody phobic or racist or sexist or hated. So when, for instance, Yuri Berliner comes out and

00:26:05.980 says, these things happened and here's the proof and here are the receipts. And you can listen to the

00:26:09.600 stories here, here and here. And here are the numbers of Democrats that work for NPR.

00:26:14.680 And the number of Republicans, which is zero, the answer that you're hurting my feelings and 0.99

00:26:19.600 you're mean and you stink. That's actually not a search for truth. That's a silencing of someone 0.96

00:26:24.760 who is offering a version of the truth that holds together and makes sense. So they're not really

00:26:29.720 talking about their various different truths, which has some kind of reality to it. We have different

00:26:36.460 opinions and we use those opinions. We argue those opinions. They're actually eliminating the means by

00:26:42.040 which we reach the truth. Megyn Kelly says, A, and Andrew Klavan says, B, we discuss it. And you

00:26:46.980 hold your reason up to my reason. You hold your information up to my information. And eventually,

00:26:51.600 if we're two people of goodwill, we kind of settle on where things make the most sense and where the

00:26:56.800 facts point. They don't do that at all. They ever, you know, if you take climate change.

00:27:01.900 The next soundbite. Her next soundbite makes your point. Exactly. You're exactly right. You're on to

00:27:07.320 her. This is from June, 2021, an interview that she gave with the Atlantic Council on exactly what

00:27:13.780 she thinks the problem is in reaching agreement on things like truth. Stop 36.

00:27:18.420 The number one challenge here that we see is, of course, the First Amendment in the United States

00:27:24.980 is a fairly robust protection of rights. And that is a protection of rights both for platforms,

00:27:32.760 which I actually think is very important that platforms have those rights to be able to regulate

00:27:36.280 what kind of content they want on their sites. But it also means that it is a little bit tricky

00:27:41.200 to really address some of the real challenges of where does bad information come from and sort of

00:27:48.080 influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it? It's tricky. So that's

00:27:53.620 courtesy of Chris Ruffo, who found this. It's tricky. You see, the First Amendment is the number

00:27:58.780 one challenge in her fight against disinformation, because it allows people, checks notes, to say

00:28:05.400 things that challenge, again, her version of the truth. Right. And the thing is, you know,

00:28:12.780 when you take over major outlets like the New York Times, like Yale, like NPR, you do have this sort

00:28:20.360 of cultural weight that is based on the fact that you used to tell the truth, that these institutions,

00:28:26.800 the New York Times was always a liberal institution, but it had a good reporting staff and it wasn't all

00:28:30.860 dedicated to selling left wing lies as it is now. NPR, the same thing. They used to give you stories

00:28:36.420 that were slanted to the left, but they were actually factual and actually kind of held together

00:28:41.300 if you were looking for that kind of point of view. Now they're using the weight of that without the

00:28:48.060 actual basis in truth and factual journalism that they used to have. So they're like the guy in Men

00:28:55.360 in Black, you know, where the alien takes over the human being and dresses in a human suit, but he's

00:28:59.860 really a bug inside. That's what NPR is like now. They're using the NPR name and the NPR reputation to

00:29:06.880 sell this nonsense. They're just using the weight of their reputation without the reason they have that

00:29:12.840 reputation in the first place. And that is exactly what Yuri Beluner was complaining about. And so, you know,

00:29:18.940 look, I am, I am a, I love the First Amendment. I want to hear from everybody and believe me, you know, I hear

00:29:24.160 from people who hate my guts all the time and say horrible, horrible, dishonest things about me.

00:29:29.040 Well, they're wrong. What's that? They're wrong. They are. I mean, look at me. I'm so charming. How

00:29:35.080 could they possibly feel that way about me? But, you know, I believe they have that right. It's just

00:29:39.620 that in the end, you do have to have this discussion about what the facts are and you have to be able to

00:29:44.960 let the facts get out. And she is a person who's clearly not doing that. Simply, we know this because

00:29:50.120 of the suspension of Yuri Beluner on a technicality and the fact that he had to quit simply to keep his

00:29:55.420 reputation intact from this really, I mean, narrow minded, I think, loopy woman. And that's being 1.00

00:30:02.660 kind. I really think much worse about her than that. I think she is not being a moral person in

00:30:08.980 this exchange and she should be removed, really. Rosa Parks, what are you saying?

00:30:15.440 I know you're back there.

00:30:17.040 Right past the business class normally, I want to assure you.

00:30:19.700 I do waive it from the business class.

00:30:20.960 Here's because today we had a statement from the Biden White House. It's a tweet from Biden,

00:30:26.880 the at POTUS account as follows. Women in sports continue to push new boundaries and inspire us

00:30:33.300 all. But right now we're seeing that even if you're the best, women are not paid their fair 1.00

00:30:37.980 share. It's time that we give our daughters the same opportunities as our sons and ensure women 0.99

00:30:43.800 are paid what they deserve. So first of all, who the hell wants to hear from this White House,

00:30:48.900 which is allowing and trying to make it more expansive for boys to play against girls in

00:30:54.340 women's sports about fairness. Right. Please spare me. Right. No one believes you. You have no moral 1.00

00:31:00.200 authority on this issue. Second of all, I believe this is a reference to Caitlin Clark, who is, you

00:31:06.060 know, this women's basketball star from Iowa, who's now going to the WNBA and for a relative pittance 0.54

00:31:12.800 versus what the men get going into the NBA. And I can't tell you the number of people who have tried

00:31:17.940 to get me upset over this, Andrew, you know, because they know I'm pro women. I'm pro women's

00:31:21.820 rights. But my reaction is everybody's been the same. Nobody watches the NBA. Nobody watches the

00:31:27.880 WNBA. Nobody watches the WNBA. Like, you know, if she brings more eyeballs to it, then her second 1.00

00:31:36.060 deal is going to be amazing. That would be great. She can say, look what I did. I mean, she did it

00:31:41.140 already at the college level. They didn't think that that was worth building into her first contract. 1.00

00:31:44.380 I get that. I think she probably should have had a better agent to say, look what she did. 0.99

00:31:49.120 There should be a premium built in. Apparently there wasn't. But this, the pay disparity that

00:31:54.640 he's probably talking about is as follows. She was the number one pick in the WNBA. She's going 0.90

00:31:59.480 to earn $338,000 over four years. $76,000 the first, $78,000, $85,000, $97,000. The number

00:32:06.820 one overall pick in the NBA in 2023 was Victor Wimbanyama. And he has a four-year, $55 million

00:32:14.520 contract, $12 million in year one, $12.7, year two, $13,000, and then almost $17 million in year

00:32:21.440 four. So am I a sexist pig? Like, am I not? Where am I going wrong? 0.97

00:32:29.020 I mean, they're not paying these guys in the NBA that much money because they love throwing their

00:32:32.760 money away. They're paying it because that's how much money they're bringing in. That's how

00:32:36.480 capitalism works. If you bring in the money, you get paid for what you do. And, you know,

00:32:40.720 listen, Caitlin Clark is a wonderful athlete. In fact, her college championship game was watched

00:32:46.100 more than the men's championship game. And if she can do that in the WNBA, believe me,

00:32:51.800 she'll be earning that kind of money when she renegotiates her contract. But the power to 1.00

00:32:56.080 renegotiate a contract is the power of what you get and what you bring in. What you bring in is what

00:33:01.020 you get. You know, that's the way it works. It's the only way of talking about things that make

00:33:05.360 sense. It's the only way to make sense of any kind of economic distribution. Otherwise, you put

00:33:10.140 companies out of business and you have these empty seats and you're paying somebody for bringing in

00:33:14.060 gate that's not coming in. So listen, the thing is men are better at sports and they bring sports

00:33:21.340 to a higher level and they're more interested in sports. Men are more interested in sports and

00:33:25.020 they're more interested in watching other men play sports, except in tennis, where the women's 0.96

00:33:30.180 game is an actual different game. So it's actually kind of interesting in and of itself.

00:33:34.340 But if you're not bringing those people in, you're not getting the pay. And that's all there is to it.

00:33:38.400 And why do we have to pretend? This is the other thing. You know, you start out, the left started

00:33:43.660 out by saying to us, there's no difference between men and women. We have to treat them exactly equally.

00:33:48.600 And now they're saying there's so little difference that a man can be a woman. And if you say that a man

00:33:53.600 can't be a woman and play sports at another level in the women's game, you're being somehow bigoted. 1.00

00:33:58.820 The entire thing is genuinely an attack on women. It genuinely is a hatred of women. 0.98

00:34:04.480 And I really do believe this, by the way. I believe the left despises women at their core 0.94

00:34:09.140 for the simple reason that the things that women do occur in a different moral structure 1.00

00:34:17.000 than the things that men do. Men enjoy competition. They enjoy hierarchy. They enjoy power.

00:34:22.580 They enjoy, you know, the competitive earning edge. Women, when they take care of families, 1.00

00:34:29.060 are actually dealing in something that's much more spiritual. That's not that based on power

00:34:33.120 politics. It's not based on competition. And the left hates that and always has. It started with

00:34:39.000 Marx and Engels saying we've got to get women out of the home if we're going to have socialism. And a 0.97

00:34:43.900 lot of the early feminists in America certainly were, in fact, socialists trying to accomplish 1.00

00:34:48.560 that goal. The destruction of the home that's taken place is, in fact, an assault on women as 1.00

00:34:55.440 well. And by the way, I hear some of this disrespectful talk about women from the right 1.00

00:35:00.800 as well. And it's absolutely infuriating because what I'm looking for is I'm looking to elevate the

00:35:06.780 things that women do in the respect of the general public. The things that women do in a home, 1.00

00:35:12.280 in a family, in giving birth, not just in giving birth, but in also nurturing children into

00:35:17.080 humanity, into their individual humanity. All of these things have been denigrated by the

00:35:21.500 feminist movement and has made women miserable. I keep reading stories that say, hmm, somehow in

00:35:27.120 spite of feminism, women are more and more miserable. It ain't in spite of feminism. It's 1.00

00:35:31.740 because of feminism. And this is obviously not the feminism that gives every woman a choice to do 1.00

00:35:35.720 what it is she wants to do with her life. This is the feminism that has been denigrating what women 1.00

00:35:40.520 normally like to do for now 50 and 60 years. And it is basically, it's unfortunate because the women 1.00

00:35:48.220 who benefit from that kind of feminism are women who make it into the public eye like yourself. I 1.00

00:35:53.980 mean, that's a wonderful thing. You're obviously a highly talented commentator, but that means that

00:35:58.020 the only people talking in public are the people who benefited from feminism and the people who have

00:36:02.880 been destroyed by it, which is the vast majority of women, don't have a voice at all. And I just think 1.00

00:36:08.720 it is this upturning of these men pretending to be women is to me the final step in that kind of

00:36:17.760 leftist feminism is the erasure of women altogether. And it's absolutely offensive. So listen, Caitlin 0.83

00:36:23.120 Clark, great athlete. Most women not as interested in athletics as men, obviously don't play as high a 0.82

00:36:29.420 level as men who are stronger, faster and care and more competitive, more aggressive. You know,

00:36:35.100 that's what sports is like. And the money just reflects that.

00:36:38.720 I mean, the finals game at the college level for the women crushed everything. I mean, 1.00

00:36:45.040 it was like number one by far from any game that we had seen. It was exciting.

00:36:49.680 The problem is it's just not there yet. I mean, I think maybe it'll get there. Who knows? I don't

00:36:53.900 really follow sports a lot, so I don't have any expert commentary on this. My only understanding is

00:36:58.420 I see people tuning into the NFL and droves and to the NBA and, you know, some of these other male

00:37:04.580 sports league. And it's just not there yet for women. If she can bring it, she'll get paid. But 1.00

00:37:08.780 she has no right to make what her equal over there in the men's league makes in being number one in a 0.57

00:37:16.420 far more competitive league. That's part of why he's getting so much more than she's getting that

00:37:21.180 league. This guy would crush her in a one on one. He's number one. She's number one. Right. But these

00:37:26.820 are not apples to apples comparisons. So clearly she was content to take the deal. And I think she should

00:37:32.520 do it. And can I just say one of the thing? I really think if we're going anywhere on sports,

00:37:37.020 it should be going more toward the Caitlin Clark salaries and not to this guy's salary. Remember

00:37:42.360 back in the day when like our athletes had to have second jobs and they, you know, like the NBA sucks

00:37:49.240 now. I know this from every male friend I have. They all want to watch the NCAA because these guys want

00:37:55.440 it. They put their heart on the court. You know, they give it their all the NBA. They're all worried

00:38:00.440 about their careers and getting hurt. And, you know, like, don't touch me. And everybody knows

00:38:04.820 they're not supposed to hurt this guy or touch this guy. They're phoning it in. Even I, as a

00:38:09.440 casual observer, can see it. And it's like it's for them. It's all about the paycheck. It's not

00:38:14.900 about the love game. I'm kind of sick of it. I wish what they really had to sing for their supper

00:38:19.260 and they played for the love of the game. You know, you know, this is a real problem. They once

00:38:24.240 asked Babe Ruth why he made more money than the president. Ruth said it because I had a better year

00:38:29.320 than he did. And I think that, you know, the problem is they really are bringing in that kind 0.99

00:38:35.060 of money and they really are that much better than the next level down. And I don't know how

00:38:39.660 you solve this because I agree with you, Megan. I watch and I mean, I love football. I love

00:38:43.780 professional football. I used to love baseball. Money ruins the game. There's no question about it.

00:38:49.060 This level of money ruins the game. But then how can you treat these guys unfairly when they're the

00:38:54.340 reason people show up? When you go to just one level down and watch a baseball game, you know,

00:38:59.820 these guys are like gods. They're like minor small G gods, but they are incredible athletes.

00:39:05.980 And I just above everybody else, you got to pay them for what they're worth because they're going

00:39:09.740 to bring in money that people have never seen before. And but on the other hand, you're absolutely

00:39:15.520 right about this. I would now rather watch, you know, college football than I would watch

00:39:20.940 professional football because money ruins the game. It's sad, but that's the way capitalism works.

00:39:25.980 You really need an entirely different system to have it work out differently.

00:39:30.540 We make everything and then ruin it. That's our thing. That's our special thing.

00:39:35.900 That's exactly right. That is exactly right.

00:39:40.120 OK, speaking of capitalism, the Chinese said no one ever have decided to dip a toe into our world

00:39:48.020 and that they've done that through TikTok, which, as you know, is owned by ByteDance.

00:39:52.900 And now there's a push to get it banned. The U.S. Senate is going to have to take up

00:39:57.280 the question of whether TikTok should be banned in the United States. And there's a lot of

00:40:01.280 public animosity growing toward TikTok, because as people start to understand more and more

00:40:06.260 how it's used for propaganda, I was pushing the bin Laden letter. It's been elevating like Hitler. 0.97

00:40:11.420 It's like then they take it down when there's a backlash. But I think particularly on the right,

00:40:16.020 we've learned this is not a source for reliable information and actually is very corrosive.

00:40:22.740 They're fighting back with their own ad campaign. And much like the Biden White House for some time

00:40:28.680 went to these moronic influencers to try to get them to go on the social media apps and be like, 0.98

00:40:34.860 oh, Biden's crushing it. That didn't work. Now, so too is ByteDance turning to, I guess, 0.99

00:40:42.160 TikTokers, influencers, who it thinks will shore up its reputation amongst those on the right who

00:40:49.680 have been critical of it. And so I give you, I'm going to show you two. First, they went to a nun,

00:40:56.700 Sister Monica Clare. And here is that.

00:41:00.540 My name is Sister Monica Clare. Because of TikTok, I've created a community where people can feel safe

00:41:06.500 asking questions about spirituality. I try to provide a really accessible way of them learning

00:41:12.280 about religion and spirituality. That's not intimidating. Somebody in the comments said,

00:41:18.080 I have no idea how I got on Nuntalk, but I'm not mad about it. I'm going to teach you how to pray.

00:41:23.280 I'm going to teach you how to meditate, how to connect with a higher power,

00:41:26.760 because we need that. We need strength and comfort.

00:41:29.420 Okay. So this is going to get, I guess, Christians, because you can watch Sister Monica, 0.94

00:41:38.380 who's got 200,000 followers on TikTok. Nothing to shake a stick at. And don't forget about,

00:41:45.800 is it truckers? No, it's veterans. Okay. Truckers, yes, but also veterans. Here's that one.

00:41:51.760 When I say something, I didn't know nothing about TikTok. And once I got involved with TikTok,

00:41:57.480 I loved it. One day I had texted and texted and hadn't heard back from him. And I got really

00:42:04.660 worried. My scooter broke down. I went into a depression. Pretty sad. And I posted it to show

00:42:11.980 that Kenny's not always happy. Within 24 hours, people had donated over $5,000. And within a week,

00:42:19.660 people had donated $110,000. And Kenny hit a million followers. That moment was like, whoa.

00:42:27.840 It only felt right to give back some mobility scooters to veterans.

00:42:33.160 Okay. Kenny has 2.7 million followers on TikTok. So you can see what they're doing. And I love Kenny

00:42:40.240 and Sister Monica, but there are some serious problems with this app and this company that

00:42:46.640 Kenny and Sister Monica are not going to be able to solve. What do you make of it?

00:42:52.000 Well, I couldn't help thinking, you know, Congress has killed Kenny, but it's

00:42:54.820 threatening that you're going to kill this poor old guy if you get rid of TikTok. I want to just 0.60

00:43:00.440 clarify one thing you said. You said that Congress is trying to ban TikTok. But as I understand it,

00:43:06.900 what they're trying to do is get TikTok to break from their Chinese owners. 0.99

00:43:10.820 Yeah. Yeah. Correct.

00:43:11.780 Yeah. And they're trying to force them to do that. And I have absolutely no problem with that. I don't

00:43:15.600 understand why a malignant power who is dedicated to destroying this country should have this 0.96

00:43:21.140 incredibly powerful social media tool piping garbage into the minds of the young, which

00:43:29.220 the Wall Street Journal has done ample investigation to show that they in fact are doing that. That 0.60

00:43:33.780 a young person who goes on TikTok is going to be ultimately guided to sexual perversion, pedophilia,

00:43:40.500 all kinds of suicidal ideation. And it works. It really is making people depressed. This is coming

00:43:46.420 from a country, China, which won't even allow a celebrity who is effeminate to appear on TV because

00:43:52.080 they don't want to undermine the strength and masculinity of their population. But they're

00:43:58.060 selling this to us in a purposely malignant way. I have absolutely no problem with Congress forcing them

00:44:04.620 to detach from their Chinese overlords and make, you know, let, let the nuns and the old fellows have their 1.00

00:44:11.880 way on TikTok. Yeah. Let Kenny live, you know.

00:44:17.280 It is really, I mean, it is dangerous. The amount of disinformation that they put out on a daily basis on

00:44:24.180 every topic. And it's always the leftist POV. I mean, it's always pushing the leftist POV. There's not, I respect

00:44:30.240 the fact that the sister's on there and Kenny's on there, but these are the exceptions, not the rule.

00:44:34.300 These are being amplified right now by TikTok in order to win a PR battle. This is not what TikTok

00:44:39.120 is actually like. I mean, just ask the students for the justice in Palestine protesters who are out

00:44:45.460 there every day with their TikTok. That's, they're living on that. They're getting all their information

00:44:48.860 on that. I mean, it's terrifying to me that half these Trump jurors who got voired are saying TikTok is

00:44:54.680 one of their main forms of news. Can you imagine what they've been served about Donald Trump?

00:45:02.140 Well, meanwhile, there's a site you've probably heard of, Libs of TikTok, where all she does is 1.00

00:45:07.480 put out things that are actually on TikTok and she keeps getting banned from social media for showing

00:45:13.060 what's on TikTok. So they're silencing her, not for what she says, but for actually showing what the

00:45:18.160 left says. So they're calling her hateful because she is showing what the left actually says. And yeah,

00:45:22.780 you know, this, you know, this is part and parcel of this kind of sexual deviance that is being sold

00:45:29.040 to us very aggressively by the left. I mean, I don't actually believe, and I'm as close to being

00:45:34.240 a First Amendment purist as you can get. I don't actually believe that pornography is covered by

00:45:39.120 the First Amendment. I believe the First Amendment is there to protect political and philosophical

00:45:44.580 opinions, the kinds of opinions that we have about the things that are going on in the country,

00:45:49.380 the realities of life, what somebody is doing. I don't necessarily think that watching somebody

00:45:54.300 beat the living hell out of a woman for sexual pleasure, I don't necessarily feel that that is

00:46:00.820 actually covered by the First Amendment. So a lot of this stuff is really ugly. And then when they 0.99

00:46:06.840 try to sell, for instance, pornography to little children, as they're trying to do, and we try to

00:46:11.880 stop them, they call that book banning. I don't think that is book banning. So all of this stuff,

00:46:16.380 I don't think this is actually endangering free speech. I think what's endangering free speech is

00:46:20.760 investigating Elon Musk because he lets other political sides have their say. I think what's

00:46:26.120 damaging free speech is HR departments threatening to fire you if you have an untoward opinion. I think

00:46:31.740 those are the things that are threatening free speech. It is not making this company break ties

00:46:36.720 with China, which it should do. Yeah, like the New York Times reporter who just came out with his story

00:46:41.580 about having to grab the pink starburst out of the jar on his opening day at the New York Times and

00:46:47.000 saying, oh, that means I have to say something about myself. I'll just tell you that I recently

00:46:51.180 had a Chick-fil-A sandwich and it was delicious. It was pulled aside by HR saying, we don't do that

00:46:56.400 here. We don't. Chick-fil-A. No. Sorry. No. Okay. Andrew Klavan, it's so fun talking to you. Thank you so

00:47:03.640 much for being here. And until the next time, sir. It's always a pleasure. Thanks a lot, Megan.

00:47:07.600 Okay. Go find more from Andrew and his son, Spencer Klavan, perhaps the lesser known Klavan,

00:47:14.860 but not for long because Spencer is incredibly gifted in his own right. And you can check them

00:47:19.880 both out at thenewjerusalem.substack.com. Talk to you all again soon. Thanks for listening to

00:47:28.280 The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

00:47:37.600 Thank you.

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