On this episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, host Meghan Kelly is joined by Dan Zucker and Dan Turrentine to discuss the latest in the Doug Emhoff and Joe Scarborough scandals. Plus, former Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris meets with Hispanic voters at a Univision town hall, Tim Kaine is accused of lying to ABC's Michael Strahan, and former President Barack Obama labels black men who won t vote for him as "unacceptable."
00:00:00.580Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:11.320Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.
00:00:15.320There is so much to get to and most of it just broke this morning.
00:00:18.440From Vice President Kamala Harris meeting Hispanic voters at a Univision town hall.
00:00:23.660So many dreams, so much ambition, and also aspirations.
00:00:27.520You'll be shocked, shocked. To her running mate, Tim Walls, getting pressed about his lies by Michael Strahan on ABC.
00:00:35.900Will wonders never cease. To former President Barack Obama labeling black men who won't vote for Kamala Harris.
00:00:43.820Unacceptable sexists. Who died and made you boss of who everyone votes for?
00:00:49.200Plus, Doug Emhoff is speaking out to Joe Scarborough and waiting till you hear how Scarborough handles the allegations of Emhoff's alleged history of violence against women.
00:01:04.620It's disgusting. You're a disgusting hack fool, Joe Scarborough. Disgusting.
00:01:10.480How dare you? How dare you? How dare you have him in front of you and treat those allegations the way you just did?
00:01:17.500You with the dead body in your office. You got a history. You got a history here of bad behavior.
00:01:24.800I don't know what happened with the dead body in the office. Something bad. Maybe not you.
00:01:29.480But the point is, given that, and given all the rumors around that, you'd think you'd be bending over backwards to at least feign an interest in things that happen to women that might be really disturbing.
00:01:42.540Should at least fake it. Maybe your wife Mika didn't tell you that. But you should. You heard it straight from me.
00:01:49.220It's disgusting. These Democrats want to pretend that they are our protectors.
00:01:55.080We don't have anything to worry about because they're going to preserve abortion and therefore they're pro-women and therefore we can put them in office.
00:02:02.520What about a man who wails on a woman in public to the point where she's whipped around, stumbles, runs from him into a cab and has to call her male friend just so she can feel safe that another beating isn't about to happen.
00:02:18.360Is that something someone like Morning Joe, cheery little Joe, who we have our coffee with, might want to ask about?
00:02:27.960Didn't happen. Not from the clip that they've released. I'm going off of the two-minute clip he put out as evidence of his interview with Doug Emhoff.
00:02:37.720I am so sick of these media personalities like Tim Miller and now Joe Scarborough getting their hands, both work for MSNBC, one is a contributor, one's a host, getting their hands on Doug Emhoff, who's been seriously accused of a very serious act and treating it like it's a nothing.
00:02:58.720Like that one time you dropped an F-bomb in front of a woman. This is totally unacceptable. It's just totally unacceptable. And they would never be doing this if the shoe were on the other foot. Never.
00:03:11.600I'm, I'm, I am just, I'm so, look, I think I have standing. I have standing to call this out. I believe I have a history of calling out bad behavior on both sides of the aisle, no matter whether it's my quote side or the other.
00:03:28.060But that's what you do when you're not a hack. When you're a hack, you run cover for somebody. And when you have only the second interview in Scarborough's case of the guy, since this bad allegation hit, you ask about it in a fair, but real way. And you know what? You make news. When, when he answers it, you make news, which is the other goal. When you work for a news channel, as he does the whole thing. All right.
00:03:55.700There's a lot to go over though. A lot. I mean, Barack Obama. I don't know that this is the way, sir. I'm not sure you, you shame black voters, black men into voting for your preferred candidate. I don't, I don't think that's how it works. I think persuasion is probably the better angel here, but I'm going to ask my guests today what they think.
00:04:16.100Joining me now are pals from the morning meeting and interactive show, which you can find on the two way YouTube channel. Mark Halperin is editor in chief of two way. Sean Spicer is host of the Sean Spicer show on the first TV.
00:04:28.900And Dan Turrentine is a former democratic strategist.
00:05:33.660Okay. So let's start with Barack Obama, who apparently swung by, he's out on the campaign trail for Kamala and he swung by a campaign office.
00:05:43.320Was it in Pennsylvania? That's where he's been, I think. And yeah, Pittsburgh.
00:05:48.100And decides to offer this little, and you know, Barack Obama doesn't do anything unintentionally.
00:05:52.480So clearly he wanted this to get out there, decides to offer this little ditty to the black men who are reluctant, according to polls, to vote for Kamala Harris.
00:06:04.140Part of it makes me think that, well, you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president.
00:06:10.780And you're coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for it.
00:06:15.920So now you're thinking about sitting out or even supporting somebody who has a history of denigrating you?
00:06:29.640Because you think that's a sign of strength? Because that's what being a man is? Putting women down?
00:06:46.320We have not yet seen the same kinds of energy and turnout in all quarters of our neighborhoods and communities as we saw when I was running.
00:07:00.120Now, I also want to say that that seems to be more pronounced with the brothers.
00:07:08.520Because when you have a choice that is this clear, when on the one hand you have somebody who grew up like you, knows you, went to college with you,
00:07:28.800understands the struggles and pain and joy that comes from those experiences.
00:09:10.640I don't know about y'all, but I think that my ancestors fought far too hard for my right to vote in this country for me to support someone just because they look like me, especially when that person who looks like me isn't going to damn about me.
00:10:14.880I have the nerve to look in the eyes of black men who are out here working there off, grinding, taking care of their families, mature, responsible men, spiritually mature men, handling their business.
00:10:28.340This man that is worth, some estimates say, of $75 million has then the audacity to tell these same black men that it is unacceptable for you to vote any other way than what I tell you.
00:10:42.860Pretty good, especially the last guy there, Sean.
00:10:47.520You know, Megan, since we've been talking, I actually got somebody else to just send me.
00:10:50.480It says, it would be a shame if Barry saw this.
00:10:53.960I look, I don't know that there's any group of young men, whether it's black men, white men, Asian men, Hispanic men that need that want to be lectured by the old guy and say, you're stupid.
00:12:28.220But the guy at the end who I don't know, my apologies, really, I think, nailed it.
00:12:32.380You know, there are a lot of people in the country who are drawn to Trump right now, notwithstanding some of Trump's problematic character traits, because they think their lives will improve under him.
00:12:45.120They think the economy will be better under him.
00:12:47.380And they have four years of experiencing it to inform that opinion.
00:12:51.160And I do wonder how they're going to react to being called sexists by Barack Obama, who he rightly points out.
00:13:00.060How many times have we seen him on the yachts of his billionaire Hollywood friends and on his estate in Martha's Vineyard, trying to tsk, tsk them into voting for the woman, despite his perception that they're a bunch of misogynists?
00:13:36.960You go back to, you know, 2008, when he was talking to an audience and trying to explain his struggles in central Pennsylvania.
00:13:43.460He was talking about people clinging to their guns.
00:13:46.900And what I think most kind of bizarre about his statement, there is no qualitative or quantitative research that shows that's why young black men are not voting for Kamala Harris.
00:13:58.260You know, there is some research that shows that Latina women prefer a strong man and have a problem with a woman.
00:14:05.420Fine. But all the research, and we see it on our show where we've had young black men come on, is that they think the economy would be better under Donald Trump.
00:14:45.560No, I was going to say, one new thing, when we focus group areas where we had problems as a Republican Party 10 years ago,
00:14:52.180one of the things that we heard among black constituencies was that they didn't feel comfortable voting Republican because they didn't think any of their friends or neighbors or colleagues or whatever were voting,
00:15:01.640and they didn't want to be an island unto themselves.
00:15:03.420What's happening now is that more traditional Democratic constituencies feel comfortable voting for Trump and for Republicans because they see that they're not alone.
00:15:12.320And we're seeing that more and more, whether it's Jewish voters, young voters, Hispanic voters, black voters, they're realizing that they're not alone and that these fissures that exist within the Democratic Party are becoming a bigger and bigger problem for them.
00:15:25.680You look at the gap that Kamala Harris has with Asians, with Latinos, with blacks.
00:15:43.220Just to put a little meat on that bone, according to the latest CNN poll, well, it was released end of September, but it's the latest on this issue of black voters.
00:15:50.920She leads Trump by 63 points, which sounds like a lot.
00:15:55.320But Biden had a 75 point margin among black voters in 2020.
00:16:01.240And so that's some of what they're up against.
00:16:05.980You know, in an endgame of a presidential, you want to put to bed things you can put to bed.
00:16:11.080States, you want to lock down a state so you don't have to keep spending resources there.
00:16:15.420You want to lock down certain constituency groups.
00:16:18.180And the challenge they have is they've tried to lock down this group for a long time.
00:16:22.540And obviously, they're starting to devote resources to it.
00:16:26.880Pretty soon, you're going to start seeing messaging from the Republicans about Kamala Harris's record as a prosecutor.
00:16:32.640Remember, Donald Trump passed criminal justice reform.
00:16:35.040Remember that there's a lot of belief that Trump was wrongly prosecuted.
00:16:40.540This is something that Democrats make fun of.
00:16:43.000And they say it's racist of Trump to appeal to the black community and Hispanic community to say he's been persecuted and he was prosecuted.
00:16:54.060And so Trump is going to stay on offense with messaging with these communities.
00:16:59.020And she's going to have to keep playing defense.
00:17:00.880And every resource they spend on that is taken away from other groups.
00:17:05.140It's a big asymmetrical advantage right now because Trump is playing very little demographic defense.
00:17:10.960She's playing with Jews, Arab Americans.
00:17:13.980She's playing with blacks, Hispanics, younger people.
00:17:17.400It's a lot of defense to be playing with just a couple of weeks to go.
00:17:20.060Um, there's obviously a new push on team blue to capture you guys, maybe not you, Sean, but to capture men.
00:17:31.000I mean, you're a man, but they know you're not capturable.
00:17:33.580Um, so I don't know, maybe Barack Obama is part of that, but they've got Tim Walz going out there trying to get the gamers, which would be presumably young men.
00:17:43.500Um, and now they have released this ad.
00:19:18.340I almost thought that was a Saturday Night Live skit there for a minute.
00:19:22.200The best I think of is they're trying to use humor and just kind of make it so over the top that you chuckle, but you pay attention and you remember it.
00:19:56.660As white women, we need to use our privilege to make positive changes.
00:20:01.240If you find yourself talking over or speaking for BIPOC individuals or, God forbid, correcting them, just take a beat.
00:20:09.560And instead, we can put our listening ears on.
00:20:11.600So do learn from and amplify the voices of those who have been historically marginalized and use the privilege you have in order to push for systemic change.
00:20:23.520As white people, we have a lot to learn and unlearn.
00:20:31.140That woman, Sean Spicer, is not only clearly advising Team Harris about how to get men in line, but also CBS News on how interviews with BIPOC people ought to be conducted who are on to bash Israel.
00:21:03.780This is like a Saturday Night Live commercial or skit that they're doing.
00:21:08.260I mean, this is the same group of people that said we're going to issue camo hats to reach conservatives.
00:21:13.700Like somehow that's the oh, you got a camo hat.
00:21:16.760Yeah, I totally now want to vote for you.
00:21:18.860And I think that that's the problem that we're having with this with this campaign is I think that the people that they have advising on different issues are the same people that can't define what a woman is.
00:21:30.140And they're sitting there saying, well, we're going to reach out to men because we're going to put on a flannel shirt and a camo hat and make it sound cool.
00:21:36.100Anyway, I wish they spend more money on these ads.
00:22:52.100You've got to revamp your efforts just because they don't love Trump doesn't mean they're effeminate or severely obese or when they're around their horses.
00:23:05.380They're wanting you to know how much they cry.
00:23:07.940That is some far left woman's idea of what a man is.
00:23:13.720That's not what a real man is, left or right.
00:24:00.240The problem is that they've misdiagnosed this from the jump and they keep thinking it's a bunch of guys that just can't get over this hurdle of voting for a woman.
00:24:38.440And that is what is so frustrating for so many Democrats.
00:24:41.400That's the theme, Mark, of what we just played, whether it's Barack Obama trying to shame black men into voting for her, saying you're sexist.
00:25:48.540Another will be that the media wasn't tough enough on Trump.
00:25:51.100But what it comes back to to to to go back on what Sean was saying, the Biden-Harris record on the issues most important to voters is unpopular.
00:26:02.640He's failed to distance herself from that.
00:26:05.060She's failed to explain how she would be a good steward of a good economy.
00:26:09.360She's failed to convince people that she's being straightforward about her policy changes.
00:26:13.920And she's not really confronted a lot of the commander in chief issues.
00:26:17.120That problem, that set of problems can only be dealt with by her, not by videos, not by Barack Obama, not by Bill Clinton.
00:26:25.740These things that they're trying are tactical efforts to to chip away at some of her problems.
00:26:32.620But only she can address the real problems.
00:26:35.240And if they if they continue to say, oh, the Electoral College is a horrible thing or, oh, we're still a racist and sexist country.
00:26:42.120I think her chances of winning go down appreciably.
00:26:44.640Well, that's what Tim Walz said. He he at a fundraiser said he wants to get rid of the Electoral College.
00:26:50.400I mean, the truth is, a lot of Democrats do because they often win the popular vote.
00:26:54.440Not always, but they often win the popular vote, given the population of our cities.
00:26:58.340Tensaline left. And there's been a lot of polls that have shown they want to get rid of it.
00:27:03.180But it's never going to happen, given what you'd have to do to the Constitution to get rid of it.
00:27:06.620But so, yeah, Tim Walz was at a fundraiser and said this and then he was asked about the fact that he said it.
00:27:14.320And again, like didn't didn't hit. It's very easy to say, you know what?
00:27:19.940The polls show a majority of Americans are with me.
00:27:22.680But, you know, obviously, given the hurdles to getting it done, it's a pipe dream.
00:27:26.860But this is why I believe in it. I mean, that would have been a fine answer.
00:41:09.080Number two, her Achilles heel is that she's indecisive.
00:41:13.040And she's at a time when if she's going to win, she needs to take the whole campaign and 57 or 47 percent of the country plus put them on her back and win it.
00:41:22.880And as an indecisive person with decisions to make every day, that's the Achilles heel.
00:41:28.180And then lastly, I think sometimes we overlook this.
00:41:30.960She's the most liberal person to be the Democratic nominee by a lot.
00:41:35.440And this is not a super liberal country.
00:41:39.640And the voters she's trying to win over are centrist.
00:41:42.020And by being vague and evasive about what she actually believes, particularly on issues like the economy and trans issues.
00:41:49.580She is letting people say, I don't like Trump, but I can't vote for something that's such a question mark.
00:41:56.160And we have people who come on the morning meeting and say, I can't vote for someone who's insulting my intelligence by not addressing these things.
00:42:03.860She had a short campaign, but she spends a lot of days with one or two events and some days with no events.
00:42:10.500And some voters read that as a failure to respect the responsibility she has in a short campaign to go the extra mile working around the clock to explain things to people.
00:42:23.740To ask for the job by explaining her positions to the people she wants to hire her.
00:42:28.380I mean, that was my one of my frustrations in the 60 interview.
00:42:30.960It's true that Bill Whitaker did a better job than those who came before him.
00:42:34.580But that is truly like being the thinnest kid at fat camp.
00:42:38.020He he asked her very fair questions about policy, about foreign policy.
00:42:42.120And she just kept saying, I'm not going to answer a hypothetical like it's a deposition.
00:42:45.560You can get away with that in a deposition. Totally fine answer in a deposition.
00:42:48.600She's interviewing for the most important job in the world.
00:42:51.020We're entitled to answers on that diplomatic answers.
00:42:53.600Sure, you don't have to commit to a specific strategy, but you can give us the framework that you would attack the issue of Iran and China.
00:43:00.960And on Taiwan and Ukraine and so on with she didn't just a little bit of news here.
00:43:06.920The Daily Mail had an interesting report.
00:43:08.880They went and pulled her performance reviews from right after she was San Francisco D.A.
00:43:13.140And they found that when she was in her very next position, she did not get the greatest reviews for things along the lines that you just touched on, Mark Halpern.
00:43:22.880And interestingly, they write, although she and her team got favorable ratings for the quality of their work and creativity in the advice and understanding problems, they got less favorable marks for other important metrics on a scale of one to five.
00:43:34.300Harris only got a two on whether she was thorough, helpful and proactive, only a three on whether she had good judgment.
00:43:41.880She also got a two for recognizing deadlines, fast turnaround and anticipating their needs.
00:44:11.500Dana, we're being too tough on her and she thinks go time means call her daddy and Howard Stern and all the rest of it.
00:44:17.700Yeah, I think what's concerning for Democrats, I mean, go back to Mark's earlier statement about if Democrats could have picked a candidate this summer in a vacuum, it would not have been Kamala Harris in her 2019 campaign.
00:44:47.520And then for the next couple of months, can't clean it up, can't get back on a front foot.
00:44:52.500And I think people gave her some slack when the when this campaign first started, you get out of the gate fast.
00:44:59.660You're filling, you know, arenas with 15000 people.
00:45:02.620You pick a vice president. You have a convention to Sean's point.
00:45:06.440Everyone then thought you're going to start filling in the blanks.
00:45:10.180We've had Marcus done some excellent focus groups that we've talked about on the morning meeting.
00:45:14.800Every focus group of undecided voters, they say, I want to hear more from her on the economy, how she would handle overseas conflicts like the data is screaming.
00:45:26.280This is what people want. And yet the strategy seems to be don't make news.
00:45:31.640As you say, it's like school uniforms with Bill Clinton in 1996.
00:45:35.400I'm going to expand the child, you know, tax credit, make it easier to purchase a home and to start a small business.
00:45:42.240But if you're that American pie family, you have two kids, you own your home.
00:45:47.300You're not going to have more kids. There's nothing in those three things she's talking about that appeals to you.
00:45:52.520Right. You already own your home. You're not going to go start a small business at this point in your career.
00:45:56.640So what is it that you're saying to them or to the young black man to make them want to vote for you?
00:46:02.760And this is why people are getting very nervous.
00:46:05.180She's playing to her character form of just being very cautious and don't make a mistake when you're in California.
00:46:12.060It's fine. But you have to defeat Donald Trump, not hope that he loses this.
00:46:18.180You know, Megan, one of the things that Dan pointed out, we talked about this probably ad nauseum on the morning meeting.
00:46:22.820She's got a lot of smart people around her. Right.
00:46:25.060They have a ton of money and a ton of data. They know exactly what we just said, which is here's what you need to do.
00:46:32.500And the only conclusion that makes sense to draw is she can't do it. Right.
00:46:36.800It's at some point it was like the people who said Joe Biden needs to do the following.
00:46:40.820And we just knew that cognitively and physically he just couldn't do it.
00:46:44.180He's got smart people around him, too. At some point, the folks around her, they know what she should and could do to help close the deal.
00:46:52.300They've come to the conclusion that she just can't do it.
00:46:56.020And so therefore they've pivoted and found other ways.
00:46:58.640They're really relying on paid media, the cycle in a way that I've never seen a candidate have to because she is incapable of going out and doing those interviews that don't result in us playing the clips.
00:47:09.680Afterwards, we go look at how she answered the following question.
00:47:12.280That should have been a layup. The only thing I will say is as a former as a recovering lawyer myself, there's no way she doesn't know how to argue.
00:47:21.600I mean, there's just no way she doesn't know how to. This is what you do, especially as a prosecutor.
00:47:26.320You go in there and you do battle the stuff that makes, you know, the sexy headlines are the trials and the openings and the closings.
00:47:33.180Although I don't know how much of that she did. There's been an empty effort to find the trial transcripts and the proof of exactly what cases, if any, she tried.
00:47:41.900But for sure, you stand in front of a judge and you make an argument against somebody who's telling the judge you're an idiot.
00:47:47.040I mean, that's really the core of what lawyers do. You fight. You fight rhetorically.
00:47:51.020Why can't she do that? Why doesn't she put herself down in front of an arguer, an adverse interviewer and go toe to toe?
00:48:00.180That's exactly the kind of thing that might generate news headlines, Mark, and get her some positive press.
00:48:05.460In part, because, again, she's so risk averse. She's so indecisive.
00:48:09.640She doesn't like making mistakes and paying a price for them. She doesn't like alienating any group of voters.
00:48:14.840And so if you do that and you're performing and you're not that confident in your performance, and we saw after the Lester Holt interview where she said, I haven't been to Europe, she stopped doing interviews.
00:48:25.340She does not like to fail in the public realm. She doesn't like people upset with her.
00:48:30.680The only thing harder than covering Donald Trump as a journalist is running against him.
00:48:35.080It's very difficult to run against him because he gets in your head, he insults you, he says provocative things, he has a record January 6th, etc.
00:48:46.200Running against him takes a superior political athlete.
00:48:49.820The only one who beat him was Joe Biden, and that was the conditions of COVID in a very unorthodox situation.
00:48:56.220Otherwise, he beat every Republican. He beat Hillary Clinton.
00:49:01.780It takes a great political athlete, and she's not demonstrated that that is her in her past political career, does not demonstrate that.
00:49:08.820That's so true. And you look at, I mean, one of the things I'm noticing is today I got all my favorite websites.
00:49:13.420Every single headline is about Trump and it's negative, which is good for him.
00:49:17.200I mean, that's just so weird, but that's a difficult position for her.
00:49:20.420Even when the headlines are terrible for your opponent, it's good for your opponent.
00:49:24.920It's just Trump with his earned media.
00:49:27.080I don't know how that works exactly, but I know it works.
00:49:29.740We've watched it now, in particular in 16, that this stuff doesn't seem to hurt him.
00:49:35.300And most people can see that it's mostly nonsense, but there's a lot more to go over.
00:49:39.700This Tim Walls interview and this Doug Emhoff interview and Trump ripping on Detroit while he's in Detroit, Michigan, is another thing we need to discuss.
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00:51:56.600If we are willing to work for it and fight for it and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless.
00:52:19.740This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to flow and our planet began to heal.
00:52:28.080This was the moment when we ended the war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last best hope on Earth.
00:52:57.480I had it right, except it was St. Paul, Minnesota, not Des Moines, Iowa.
00:53:01.460There's only one Barack Obama, and neither Josh Shapiro nor Kamala Harris can be Barack Obama.
00:53:07.780You know, you can talk about hopes and dreams and aspirations, but no one could sell it the way he could.
00:53:13.600It's just a different animal altogether.
00:53:15.800I just want to take you down their memory lane, because that was a rough hour, Dan.
00:53:21.320Yes, it was, and he's a little grayer now.
00:53:24.700Yeah, and a lot more, like, I guess I shouldn't say more preachy, because he was a little preachy there, but a lot more sort of sanctimonious and bossy than he used to be.
00:53:34.080Okay, now I want to talk about Tim Walsh, because Tim Walsh is also out on the new media tour and trying to help her when he's not defending his comments on the Electoral College.
00:53:44.640And he sits down with Michael Strahan, who's the best thing ABC has going.
00:53:51.260And Strahan actually asks him about his many, many lies.
00:53:58.160There's a much longer list than actually came up, but he did raise it to his credit.
00:55:16.620I know that things get spun in a political environment.
00:55:19.620And Vice President Harris said, is she told you to be a little bit more careful on how you say things?
00:55:25.360Well, I did it, you know, even the other day of just speaking passionately about these gun violence situations and meeting with these survivors.
00:55:34.980And I do think in these positions, whether it be governor or being vice president of the United States, you do need to be careful.
00:55:41.140You do need to be a little more thoughtful on it.
00:55:43.920Okay, guys, I will say I will submit to you that the American people are not dumb and I would submit to you that the American people will look over.
00:55:54.880I'm friends with school shooters, which he said in that vice presidential debate as him misspeaking.
00:56:02.660But it's not going to work on this litany of other lies because you don't misspeak over and over and over and over again the very same way, which is to make you look better on multiple subjects.
00:56:16.020And the American people continue with the grace.
00:56:20.540That Tiananmen Square thing, we've gone over this with the audience, but we found another instance of him doing it on camera.
00:56:27.880We had told the audience about this earlier and we had only had the written transcript of it, but we have since found the on camera version.
00:59:10.360I mean, it's he gets away with it and says, yeah, you know, I use bad grammar.
00:59:14.720Bad grammar is which not that not lying about where you were in China versus Minnesota.
00:59:21.420There would be it would be so great to follow up and actually say, come on, Governor, you would know if you were in Tiananmen Square, if you were in China, when Tiananmen Square happened.
00:59:31.320You just like, you know, if you're in southern Manhattan on the day of 9-11, just like you knew if you were at Pearl Harbor on D-Day, you know, if you are actually there or not.
00:59:41.980But you're really asking this audience to believe you just mixed up the dates.
00:59:48.340And by the way, on the retired command sergeant major matter, that's the one to zero in on because that he said, I think we counted over a dozen times.
00:59:56.420I mean, that one is really kind of his favorite to say that he's a retired command sergeant major.
01:00:01.040That really is a stolen valor situation where he elevated his rank inappropriately.
01:00:04.720And there's no way he can get away with, I misspoke.
01:00:09.040I mean, if I interviewed Tim Walsh, I'd have it on my phone.
01:00:11.480I would press play and I would say, you really want us to believe that that's all bad grammar?
01:01:16.380I'm a knucklehead was not a great headline for them coming out of the debate.
01:01:21.280I realize they wanted to focus more on 2020.
01:01:23.620But does that limit, would you say, Mark, Tim Walz's ability to really go out there and be a surrogate for her?
01:01:29.640Not necessarily on the campaign trail, but when he's dealing with a reporter.
01:01:32.900Because now enough reporters have seen the litany that they do feel compelled to ask about it.
01:01:38.160I think I need to recuse myself from this one because I, too, was in Hong Kong the day of the Tiananmen Square attack.
01:01:46.640So, look, he has trouble with the truth.
01:01:50.840And you could say it's psychotic or you could say it's purposeful and conniving.
01:01:55.780But the reality is people don't vote for the bottom of the ticket.
01:02:00.120And although he is asked about it in that interview, and although it's in the crevices of stories about him, people aren't focused on him.
01:02:09.420The press is still pro-Harris enough that it's not going to be what it should be, which should also be for Donald Trump,
01:02:16.860which is they both picked guys who are on the bubble of, is this person ready to be president?
01:02:21.260They both picked people about whom a lot of Americans have doubts, but I don't think they're escalating or have escalated or will escalate to the point where this will be a voting issue.
01:02:31.200He doesn't get covered very much. Shady Vance doesn't get covered very much.
01:02:35.400As long as you clear the bar, ready to be president, and that's the perception by the press, and I think a lot of the public, it's not top of mind.
01:02:42.320So I think it'd be scary to a lot of people if he became president, if he hadn't proven to people that there's an explanation here that's comforting,
01:02:51.460because it's not comforting to listen to and watch those videos.
01:02:54.960But I don't think it's going to impact the race.
01:02:57.820J.D. Vance, I think, proved that he's up to the job at that vice presidential debate.
01:03:02.220However, he still has a hurdle to overcome when it comes to likability, given the way the press went for him when he first was launched as the second half of the ticket.
01:03:15.720I will give a shout out to our pals over at the Ruthless Program, as they call it, who managed to get J.D. Vance out on a fishing boat in Michigan.
01:03:26.140I think it was Michigan, in a hilarious bit that they just dropped on their YouTube channel, where just the audience knows these guys very well because they come on regularly.
01:03:34.660They split up Josh Holmes with J.D. from Smug and Duncan and Ashbrook, and they were in a fishing competition.
01:03:44.900The two boats went out, and let's just say Smug and crew were not entirely above board when it came to the vote count.
01:05:12.900You just relax when you watch it, and you're sitting there chuckling.
01:05:16.140You know, one thing, Megan, just to go back to what you were saying, not to kind of end a good story here, is I think the one place that Walls could have had an impact is he was picked for his communication skills, amongst other reasons.
01:07:30.380You see that confidence on him when he's out there being asked questions like he doesn't want to get ahead of her.
01:07:35.600You know, even when the American hostages were killed in, you know, by by Hamas, he didn't even want to offer the word of like, God, I'm so sorry to hear that when they got him at that state fair.
01:07:45.780He didn't want to say anything before she says it was like, you can be a human.
01:10:01.500Not not if you're trying to win a presidential campaign.
01:10:03.640You know, there are other contexts in which you just fine.
01:10:07.300Look, politics is about emotion and it's about getting your people energized to vote, to get other people to vote, to give money, to fill social media with outrage and indignation.
01:10:19.300And part of what the Democrats don't understand, I think, about why it's so hard to run against Donald Trump, because the Trump movement will take that video and they will get it will be a net positive, energizing, talking about it as weird, as anti-Catholic.
01:10:37.160OK, and I can tell you that without fear of being wrong, that that video will help Donald Trump way more than it will help Kamala Harris, even though it was made by one of Kamala Harris's main supporters.
01:10:50.500And it puts it to the sharp relief, something that the Harris campaign had taken away from the Trump campaign during her initial honeymoon.
01:11:00.480The Trump advantage that he had over Biden of dominating social media was taken away because her team launched really well on social with energy and joy and and all the things that they were producing.
01:11:12.460This video and the way it's been manipulated and deployed by the right is part of a resurgence of energy and creativity and social media by the Trump forces that I think is restored to some extent.
01:11:27.560It's a hard thing to measure the advantage he had there.
01:11:30.040And don't underestimate that that that that advantage, because social media produces a lot of energy in our politics today.
01:11:37.300Mm hmm. Yeah. As I said, Whitmer's wearing Harris Waltz hat.
01:11:42.840I mean, obviously, this is meant to be I don't know.
01:11:45.440I mean, Kamala Harris says she loves Doritos. So, like, I really don't even get it.
01:11:49.400So I was kind of the worst start. That was the worst start of a sentence in the history of broadcasting.
01:11:54.360Because you said, like, what it clearly means. No one knows what that means.
01:11:58.180It's impossible to know what that means.
01:12:00.740That's how I feel about everything Kamala Harris does. I never understand.
01:12:04.200She said she's going to make me, but then she doesn't. I put this in the same category as I put the Vogue magazine spread, Sean, that just came out, giving her sort of the Michelle Obama treatment or Jill Biden treatment where they try to make her into a superstar spokesmodel.
01:12:24.560Now, first of all, this is like this is as airbrushed as a Joan Rivers appearance on any magazine or TV.
01:12:33.340This is that Kamala Harris looks thirty nine instead of fifty nine here.
01:12:37.660I will submit as the sole woman on this show today.
01:12:41.840That was a mistake. You want her to have gravitas.
01:12:45.260She's running for a very important job and is the first potential female president.
01:12:48.680Just let her have the lines. Fucking Vogue. Let her have the lines.
01:12:52.820The lines are not a problem you have to erase for women who are serious and asking for a serious job.
01:12:58.680She wants to be in command of our Navy SEALs.
01:13:01.500So stop with the airbrushing. It's annoying to me.
01:13:05.480And what just like on a separate tear, what message is to send to little girls?
01:13:09.960You can you can become president just as long as you don't age.
01:13:13.420OK, you can't age because as a woman, you have to be both hot and credible like a fuck off, Vogue.
01:13:20.800And this is Anna Wintour who judges us all by our stupid fashion.
01:13:24.560And honestly, like right now, she's launching the Met Gala theme right now.
01:13:28.100Guess what it is? Black men and dandyism.
01:13:31.160What is that? I don't like it was somebody tweeted out.
01:13:34.400It's a great way to get a bunch of out of touch celebrities canceled in one fell swoop.
01:13:41.400So she she does the Vogue thing, Sean, and the Vogue reporter.
01:13:45.840I mean, it like it'll make you throw up a little in your mouth.
01:13:49.980The headline is the candidate for our times.
01:13:54.360OK, here's just a little. Here's here's a little bit.
01:13:58.460OK, stand by. There's so much to choose from.
01:14:02.460I ask her what her first call would be on reaching the Oval Office.
01:14:04.960One of my first calls outside of family will be to the team that is working with me on our plan to lower costs for the American people.
01:14:15.320What does that mean? Who's on that team?
01:14:17.980How are they going to do that? That's exciting.
01:14:19.460Great. That's something people will talk about over the kitchen kitchen table tonight.
01:14:22.720Then he goes on to write. And by the way, the writer's name is Nathan Heller.
01:14:28.960When Biden's announcement caused that pulse to drop a beat, the world looked to Harris with hopes and doubts now at her dining room table with pizza boxes, a trusted, unbathed staff and a phone.
01:14:41.240She was being called on to do something unprecedented in American history to mount and win a presidential race in three months as a woman of color with a felonious former leader as the opposition and the future of democracy said to be at stake.
01:15:39.520In fact, to your point, you read these quotes, it probably turns off more people than it helped.
01:15:43.580The photo spread probably wasn't the strongest to bring people over.
01:15:48.180It doesn't have that quality of strength, Commander-in-Chief, that you are referring to.
01:15:52.280Again, I go back to what are you trying to do?
01:15:55.080And I think that sometimes people get enamored with being on a particular show or doing something as opposed to thinking, does this actually help me strategically get to where I'm going?
01:16:07.500It's more of a tactic than a strategy.
01:16:09.980And I think that's what this happened.
01:18:28.700If you're trying to be a good steward of a good economy and commander in chief, what is it about that that reinforces what she wants to say, a better brand?
01:18:39.120I want to talk about the horse race and also the Senate, because I heard you guys.
01:19:24.860Like, I do want to talk about the Senate.
01:19:26.860I guess we might as well just do it now, and then I want to get to Trump and his Detroit comments.
01:19:29.960But who would like to take on what's going to happen in the U.S. Senate, which gets less attention than it deserves in all these discussions?
01:27:42.860I agree with you that there's a lot of pride.
01:27:44.440But I think a lot of people, both in the city and in the suburbs, are not necessarily going to react negatively to that because they could see room for improvement in the schools, in housing, in jobs, in transportation.
01:27:56.100It's not it's not thriving in every possible way.
01:27:59.320And I think most voters, it's the kind of thing that gets discussed by elites.
01:28:04.220But I don't think most voters are going to be indignant that Donald Trump said something.
01:28:26.020So I don't think many of the people who probably are excited about what's happening in Detroit were going to vote for Trump in the first place.
01:28:33.360I mean, I would say I always say this to the audience, Dan, that if there's one thing Trump's good at, it's marketing.
01:28:41.640So I always feel like I'm on unsteady ground when I question his approach to these things, because I actually happen to believe that him raising the race issue with Kamala was clever.
01:28:52.940I think he actually was appealing to a certain segment of voters, including black men who seem to agree with him, at least in enough measure that it could make some difference for him.
01:29:03.000And of course, you know, getting any sort of coverage from the media, even the shocked coverage keeps him in the headlines.
01:29:32.480And then on January, you know, January 20th, it's great.
01:29:35.060And then when I leave office after four years, it'll again be terrible.
01:29:37.540Like, I think when he does that, it doesn't help him.
01:29:41.280The one thing we know with undecideds is his personality and some of his conduct does rub them the wrong way.
01:29:47.880And I don't think this necessarily helps him.
01:29:50.640Let me let me explain my point one more way.
01:29:53.380OK, and this goes, Megan, to what you said about his raising her race.
01:29:58.140Donald Trump is the master of deciding what people are going to talk about.
01:30:02.740And if people are talking, running up to the election about are our cities as great as they can be or is there too much crime and our schools bad, et cetera, that's good for him.
01:30:14.820Now, I don't know that he thought it through that way, but but he does have just kind of a sixth sense about this stuff.
01:30:19.480Now, he was president for four years and the cities didn't improve.
01:30:22.760So I think that's a very fair point for the Democrats to make.
01:30:25.900But if if the goal is to have the last few days of the campaign be about immigration and be about the economy and to be about, you know, people's concern about the cities, that's good terrain for Donald Trump.
01:42:29.680It's going to be on you because there's no way you can watch that or any of his speeches and get anything out of it except for a hateful, racist, bigoted, tired, aging, branding.
01:42:43.240Branding, I wouldn't say genius, branding, obsessed, narcissist.
01:43:33.160As opposed to some rando place in the ocean, it goes down on a little target that Elon placed for it through SpaceX.
01:43:40.760And Trump was marveling at the precision of these rockets and how they hit the little circle as opposed to just dropping anywhere in the Atlantic off of Cape Canaveral the way we used to do with our spaceships.
01:43:52.200That's what he was obviously referring to.
01:43:54.720And then he made a leap to other little circles that are politically relevant and how unpopular Joe Biden was.
01:44:02.920And Trump's same old claims about how could this guy have possibly beat me?
01:44:07.080This right here we're showing is the New York Times and a photo by Aaron Schaaf that was taken during the 2020 campaign of the circles that we saw everywhere.
01:44:16.720We I mean, we could have pulled other photos just like this of all these Joe Biden campaign events.
01:44:21.360Look, these are reporters at a Joe Biden event.
01:44:23.820They were made to stand in these little circles at his campaign events, ostensibly because of covid.
01:44:30.040But Trump is positing it's because he couldn't he couldn't get crowds there.
01:44:34.100And so they were, you know, doing the socially distanced thing to try to make it look like they were covid adherent.
01:44:41.980And then, of course, Trump parlayed it into and then they wanted you to believe that he beat me.
01:44:46.180So it was actually perfectly comprehensible.
01:44:49.420You just wanted to mislead your viewers into thinking he had a senior moment and he didn't.
01:44:55.580It was actually very easy to follow by anyone who's not a hack.
01:44:59.580OK, anyone who's not a hack like you, the whole thing is just.
01:45:04.860I mean, look, I realize this morning, Joe, but the whole clip is so indicative of what you get on that channel, like the contempt for the people who will vote Trump, that you are voting for a racist misogynist.
01:45:19.860And you deserve what you get if you vote for Donald Trump.
01:45:35.380And if you have Monday off to celebrate Columbus Day, which is what it's still called and should remain, enjoy, have a parade and don't pay any attention to the naysayers who want to have debates about its name.