The Megyn Kelly Show - Obama Tries Shaming Black Men, and Kamala Gets Vogue Treatment, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine ｜ Ep. 914

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.320 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:15.320 There is so much to get to and most of it just broke this morning.

00:00:18.440 From Vice President Kamala Harris meeting Hispanic voters at a Univision town hall.

00:00:23.660 So many dreams, so much ambition, and also aspirations.

00:00:27.520 You'll be shocked, shocked. To her running mate, Tim Walls, getting pressed about his lies by Michael Strahan on ABC.

00:00:35.900 Will wonders never cease. To former President Barack Obama labeling black men who won't vote for Kamala Harris.

00:00:43.820 Unacceptable sexists. Who died and made you boss of who everyone votes for? 0.87

00:00:49.200 Plus, Doug Emhoff is speaking out to Joe Scarborough and waiting till you hear how Scarborough handles the allegations of Emhoff's alleged history of violence against women. 0.95

00:01:04.620 It's disgusting. You're a disgusting hack fool, Joe Scarborough. Disgusting. 1.00

00:01:10.480 How dare you? How dare you? How dare you have him in front of you and treat those allegations the way you just did? 1.00

00:01:17.500 You with the dead body in your office. You got a history. You got a history here of bad behavior.

00:01:24.800 I don't know what happened with the dead body in the office. Something bad. Maybe not you.

00:01:29.480 But the point is, given that, and given all the rumors around that, you'd think you'd be bending over backwards to at least feign an interest in things that happen to women that might be really disturbing.

00:01:42.540 Should at least fake it. Maybe your wife Mika didn't tell you that. But you should. You heard it straight from me.

00:01:49.220 It's disgusting. These Democrats want to pretend that they are our protectors. 0.98

00:01:55.080 We don't have anything to worry about because they're going to preserve abortion and therefore they're pro-women and therefore we can put them in office. 0.69

00:02:02.520 What about a man who wails on a woman in public to the point where she's whipped around, stumbles, runs from him into a cab and has to call her male friend just so she can feel safe that another beating isn't about to happen.

00:02:18.360 Is that something someone like Morning Joe, cheery little Joe, who we have our coffee with, might want to ask about?

00:02:27.960 Didn't happen. Not from the clip that they've released. I'm going off of the two-minute clip he put out as evidence of his interview with Doug Emhoff.

00:02:37.720 I am so sick of these media personalities like Tim Miller and now Joe Scarborough getting their hands, both work for MSNBC, one is a contributor, one's a host, getting their hands on Doug Emhoff, who's been seriously accused of a very serious act and treating it like it's a nothing.

00:02:58.720 Like that one time you dropped an F-bomb in front of a woman. This is totally unacceptable. It's just totally unacceptable. And they would never be doing this if the shoe were on the other foot. Never.

00:03:11.600 I'm, I'm, I am just, I'm so, look, I think I have standing. I have standing to call this out. I believe I have a history of calling out bad behavior on both sides of the aisle, no matter whether it's my quote side or the other.

00:03:28.060 But that's what you do when you're not a hack. When you're a hack, you run cover for somebody. And when you have only the second interview in Scarborough's case of the guy, since this bad allegation hit, you ask about it in a fair, but real way. And you know what? You make news. When, when he answers it, you make news, which is the other goal. When you work for a news channel, as he does the whole thing. All right.

00:03:55.700 There's a lot to go over though. A lot. I mean, Barack Obama. I don't know that this is the way, sir. I'm not sure you, you shame black voters, black men into voting for your preferred candidate. I don't, I don't think that's how it works. I think persuasion is probably the better angel here, but I'm going to ask my guests today what they think.

00:04:16.100 Joining me now are pals from the morning meeting and interactive show, which you can find on the two way YouTube channel. Mark Halperin is editor in chief of two way. Sean Spicer is host of the Sean Spicer show on the first TV.

00:04:28.900 And Dan Turrentine is a former democratic strategist.

00:04:58.900 We'll see you next time.

00:05:28.900 Guys, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.

00:05:31.720 Good to see you.

00:05:32.100 Good to be here.

00:05:33.660 Okay. So let's start with Barack Obama, who apparently swung by, he's out on the campaign trail for Kamala and he swung by a campaign office.

00:05:43.320 Was it in Pennsylvania? That's where he's been, I think. And yeah, Pittsburgh.

00:05:48.100 And decides to offer this little, and you know, Barack Obama doesn't do anything unintentionally.

00:05:52.480 So clearly he wanted this to get out there, decides to offer this little ditty to the black men who are reluctant, according to polls, to vote for Kamala Harris.

00:06:04.140 Part of it makes me think that, well, you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president.

00:06:10.780 And you're coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for it.

00:06:15.920 So now you're thinking about sitting out or even supporting somebody who has a history of denigrating you?

00:06:29.640 Because you think that's a sign of strength? Because that's what being a man is? Putting women down?

00:06:45.160 That's not acceptable.

00:06:46.320 We have not yet seen the same kinds of energy and turnout in all quarters of our neighborhoods and communities as we saw when I was running.

00:07:00.120 Now, I also want to say that that seems to be more pronounced with the brothers.

00:07:08.520 Because when you have a choice that is this clear, when on the one hand you have somebody who grew up like you, knows you, went to college with you,

00:07:28.800 understands the struggles and pain and joy that comes from those experiences.

00:07:43.320 He said to work harder and do more.

00:07:49.440 Wow. Unbelievable.

00:07:51.420 The nod in there, I think, was his line.

00:07:53.700 You're coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses.

00:07:56.840 I've got a problem with that.

00:07:59.180 Really bold.

00:08:00.580 And I mean, honestly, Mark, pretty offensive stuff. 0.96

00:08:04.000 Like the only reason a black man might not be voting for her is they don't like women. 1.00

00:08:09.460 They don't want to vote for a woman. 1.00

00:08:13.040 Well, I think probably we'll all agree that hectoring lecturing Barack Obama is not the optimal, attractive Barack Obama.

00:08:21.180 But the only thing I'll say about this is this is a sustained problem.

00:08:24.960 It was a problem for Joe Biden getting the support of young black men and young Hispanic men also.

00:08:30.440 It's a problem for Kamala Harris that could cost her the election. 1.00

00:08:33.580 And the way they've been trying to make these appeals hasn't worked.

00:08:37.340 So does this one seem like it will work?

00:08:39.860 Probably not to anyone here or anyone we know.

00:08:42.780 But it is getting news coverage.

00:08:44.660 It is it is getting out there that they have a problem.

00:08:48.220 And I think unless somebody can offer up a better solution than this, hectoring lecturing Obama might be the best they have.

00:08:55.920 I don't know if that's true, Sean.

00:08:59.460 I mean, we we were checking the Internet this morning just to see how are black men who are at least on X responding to this.

00:09:09.020 Here's a sampling of what we found.

00:09:10.640 I don't know about y'all, but I think that my ancestors fought far too hard for my right to vote in this country for me to support someone just because they look like me, especially when that person who looks like me isn't going to damn about me.

00:09:27.760 She created a single job. 1.00

00:09:29.460 She is actually probably uniquely terrible at her job. 1.00

00:09:34.460 With the brothers.

00:09:36.200 He kind of tugged his own.

00:09:37.620 With the brothers.

00:09:38.460 We ain't your brother.

00:09:39.520 In that room, did it seem like he said anything that could get them to change their mind?

00:09:44.240 Boy, if any black men are at a Kamala Harris rally, their minds are already made up. 0.99

00:09:48.820 Yeah, for real. 0.98

00:09:49.220 Sorry, Obama.

00:09:49.940 I'm a black man and I'm voting for Donald Trump for president.

00:09:52.600 And there is no amount of lecturing or bullying or shaming that you can do that is going to make me change that decision.

00:09:59.620 I am not afraid to vote for Kamala Harris because she is a woman. 0.85

00:10:02.780 I refuse to vote for Kamala Harris because she has spent the last four years destroying this country. 1.00

00:10:07.160 He may be the surrogate black dad for a lot of fatherless black boys that are running around this country. 1.00

00:10:11.900 But I got a dad. 0.72

00:10:13.000 I know who he is.

00:10:14.080 And it ain't you. 0.66

00:10:14.880 I have the nerve to look in the eyes of black men who are out here working there off, grinding, taking care of their families, mature, responsible men, spiritually mature men, handling their business. 1.00

00:10:28.340 This man that is worth, some estimates say, of $75 million has then the audacity to tell these same black men that it is unacceptable for you to vote any other way than what I tell you. 0.67

00:10:42.860 Pretty good, especially the last guy there, Sean.

00:10:47.520 You know, Megan, since we've been talking, I actually got somebody else to just send me.

00:10:50.480 It says, it would be a shame if Barry saw this.

00:10:52.580 And it's another clip. 1.00

00:10:53.960 I look, I don't know that there's any group of young men, whether it's black men, white men, Asian men, Hispanic men that need that want to be lectured by the old guy and say, you're stupid. 1.00

00:11:04.540 You're dumb. 1.00

00:11:05.640 This is what you should be doing. 1.00

00:11:06.800 Right.

00:11:06.960 There's no kid that ever wants to be done.

00:11:08.960 I these guys have found themselves in a hole and 25 days out.

00:11:13.820 The solution was to have young people lectured by an old guy. 0.80

00:11:17.420 This is this is a problem of their own making.

00:11:19.900 As Mark said, it stems back to the Biden candidacy and they should have figured it out a lot quicker.

00:11:25.660 Instead, their heads were in the sand.

00:11:27.140 Right.

00:11:27.360 They kept saying it's not a problem.

00:11:28.960 These kids could never vote for Donald Trump and they failed to recognize the problem that exists.

00:11:34.080 And it's as Mark noted, it transcends not just black men, young white men, Hispanic men.

00:11:39.640 And I bet you there's Asian men that think the same way, too.

00:11:42.780 These guys waited, waited too long.

00:11:44.880 The thing that I think is interesting politically, Kamala Harris went out a couple of days ago and did a media blitz. 1.00

00:11:49.960 Right. And media blitzes are supposed to help you move the needle in your direction. 0.94

00:11:54.100 And instead, the answer was we got the view clip of her saying that she wouldn't do anything different than Obama.

00:12:00.700 And that went viral.

00:12:02.020 And every Republican thanked them for doing this.

00:12:04.080 They send Obama out to do this, to lecture young black men about why they're voting.

00:12:09.900 And it's having the opposite effects.

00:12:11.520 These videos are now popping up all over social media saying, I don't need to be lectured.

00:12:15.380 They're having a boomerang effect with all of their strategies.

00:12:18.180 And to Mark's point, this could be a big problem as we head into Election Day.

00:12:23.100 Dan, I want to pick up on we saw our pal Rob Smith in there.

00:12:27.220 He was great.

00:12:28.220 But the guy at the end who I don't know, my apologies, really, I think, nailed it.

00:12:32.380 You know, there are a lot of people in the country who are drawn to Trump right now, notwithstanding some of Trump's problematic character traits, because they think their lives will improve under him.

00:12:45.120 They think the economy will be better under him.

00:12:47.380 And they have four years of experiencing it to inform that opinion.

00:12:51.160 And I do wonder how they're going to react to being called sexists by Barack Obama, who he rightly points out.

00:13:00.060 How many times have we seen him on the yachts of his billionaire Hollywood friends and on his estate in Martha's Vineyard, trying to tsk, tsk them into voting for the woman, despite his perception that they're a bunch of misogynists?

00:13:16.460 Yeah, this is a problem.

00:13:20.540 Campaigning Barack Obama?

00:13:22.480 Good.

00:13:23.280 Professor Barack Obama?

00:13:24.920 Not good.

00:13:25.980 When he was in the arena later in the day, shirt sleeves rolled up, you know, whipping the crowd into a frenzy.

00:13:32.400 There's few people in the Democratic Party that are better.

00:13:35.260 But he does have this history.

00:13:36.960 You go back to, you know, 2008, when he was talking to an audience and trying to explain his struggles in central Pennsylvania.

00:13:43.460 He was talking about people clinging to their guns.

00:13:46.900 And what I think most kind of bizarre about his statement, there is no qualitative or quantitative research that shows that's why young black men are not voting for Kamala Harris.

00:13:58.260 You know, there is some research that shows that Latina women prefer a strong man and have a problem with a woman.

00:14:05.420 Fine. But all the research, and we see it on our show where we've had young black men come on, is that they think the economy would be better under Donald Trump.

00:14:16.040 They don't. They're not hearing.

00:14:17.840 They don't trust Kamala Harris.

00:14:19.820 So I don't see.

00:14:21.440 I mean, to Mark's point, you're shaking the trees.

00:14:24.180 You're making news.

00:14:25.260 You're forcing to the forefront. 0.97

00:14:26.940 Kamala Harris has a problem with black men. 1.00

00:14:28.820 But, Megan, I agree with you.

00:14:30.840 This is not the way to reach them, to lecture them and tell them, I know better.

00:14:35.900 This is what you should be voting.

00:14:39.560 No one likes to be talked to that way.

00:14:41.360 Megan, can I add one other quick point?

00:14:42.780 Hold on.

00:14:43.140 I got to get back to my yacht.

00:14:44.480 Go ahead, Sean.

00:14:45.560 No, I was going to say, one new thing, when we focus group areas where we had problems as a Republican Party 10 years ago,

00:14:52.180 one of the things that we heard among black constituencies was that they didn't feel comfortable voting Republican because they didn't think any of their friends or neighbors or colleagues or whatever were voting,

00:15:01.640 and they didn't want to be an island unto themselves.

00:15:03.420 What's happening now is that more traditional Democratic constituencies feel comfortable voting for Trump and for Republicans because they see that they're not alone.

00:15:12.320 And we're seeing that more and more, whether it's Jewish voters, young voters, Hispanic voters, black voters, they're realizing that they're not alone and that these fissures that exist within the Democratic Party are becoming a bigger and bigger problem for them.

00:15:25.680 You look at the gap that Kamala Harris has with Asians, with Latinos, with blacks.

00:15:31.860 Yes, she's still ahead 15, 20 points. 0.56

00:15:34.200 And as Republicans, I'd like that to be closer.

00:15:36.520 But the reality, she's not even close to the margins that Obama was.

00:15:40.720 Or Biden, for that matter.

00:15:41.920 Yes, exactly.

00:15:42.900 That's it.

00:15:43.220 Just to put a little meat on that bone, according to the latest CNN poll, well, it was released end of September, but it's the latest on this issue of black voters.

00:15:50.920 She leads Trump by 63 points, which sounds like a lot.

00:15:55.320 But Biden had a 75 point margin among black voters in 2020.

00:16:01.240 And so that's some of what they're up against.

00:16:03.760 Go ahead, Mark.

00:16:05.980 You know, in an endgame of a presidential, you want to put to bed things you can put to bed.

00:16:11.080 States, you want to lock down a state so you don't have to keep spending resources there.

00:16:15.420 You want to lock down certain constituency groups.

00:16:18.180 And the challenge they have is they've tried to lock down this group for a long time.

00:16:22.540 And obviously, they're starting to devote resources to it.

00:16:26.880 Pretty soon, you're going to start seeing messaging from the Republicans about Kamala Harris's record as a prosecutor.

00:16:32.640 Remember, Donald Trump passed criminal justice reform.

00:16:35.040 Remember that there's a lot of belief that Trump was wrongly prosecuted.

00:16:40.540 This is something that Democrats make fun of.

00:16:43.000 And they say it's racist of Trump to appeal to the black community and Hispanic community to say he's been persecuted and he was prosecuted.

00:16:50.360 I hear it all the time.

00:16:51.940 It's not a made up thing.

00:16:53.060 It's not a racist thing.

00:16:54.060 And so Trump is going to stay on offense with messaging with these communities.

00:16:59.020 And she's going to have to keep playing defense. 0.92

00:17:00.880 And every resource they spend on that is taken away from other groups.

00:17:05.140 It's a big asymmetrical advantage right now because Trump is playing very little demographic defense.

00:17:10.960 She's playing with Jews, Arab Americans. 0.99

00:17:13.980 She's playing with blacks, Hispanics, younger people. 0.78

00:17:17.400 It's a lot of defense to be playing with just a couple of weeks to go.

00:17:20.060 Um, there's obviously a new push on team blue to capture you guys, maybe not you, Sean, but to capture men.

00:17:31.000 I mean, you're a man, but they know you're not capturable.

00:17:33.580 Um, so I don't know, maybe Barack Obama is part of that, but they've got Tim Walz going out there trying to get the gamers, which would be presumably young men.

00:17:43.500 Um, and now they have released this ad.

00:17:47.420 I can't like, I'm, I'm, I want Dan.

00:17:51.380 I want you to explain it to me, explain it to me as a Democrat.

00:17:54.260 What were they thinking?

00:17:55.960 Here is their outreach to men.

00:17:59.020 I'm a man.

00:18:01.740 I'm a man.

00:18:02.900 I'm a man, man.

00:18:04.000 And I'm man enough.

00:18:05.300 I'm man enough to enjoy a barrel proof bourbon.

00:18:07.880 Neat.

00:18:08.620 Man enough to cook my steak rare. 0.99

00:18:10.400 Man enough to deadlift 500 and braid the shit out of my daughter's hair. 0.99

00:18:14.420 You think I'm afraid to rebuild a carburetor? 0.99

00:18:16.380 I eat carburetors for breakfast.

00:18:18.040 I ain't afraid of bears.

00:18:19.080 That's what bear hugs are for. 0.98

00:18:20.680 I'll tell you another thing I sure as shit am not afraid of. 0.99

00:18:23.700 Women. 0.99

00:18:24.600 I'm not afraid of women. 0.99

00:18:26.080 I'm not afraid of women. 0.99

00:18:27.080 They want to control their bodies? 0.99

00:18:28.880 I say go for it.

00:18:29.960 They want to use IVF to start a family? 1.00

00:18:31.720 I'm not afraid of families.

00:18:33.000 They want to be childless cat ladies? 1.00

00:18:34.680 Have all the cats you want.

00:18:36.280 Woman wants to be president? 1.00

00:18:37.440 Well, I hope she has the guts to look me right in the eye and accept my full-throated endorsement. 1.00

00:18:41.780 Because I'm man enough to support women.

00:18:43.580 Man enough to know what kind of donuts I like.

00:18:46.060 Man enough to admit I'm lost even when I refuse to ask for directions.

00:18:49.780 Man enough to not ban young women from reading little women. 0.99

00:18:53.060 Or one of those pants books that the sisters like.

00:18:55.260 I'm man enough to raw dog a flight. 0.99

00:18:57.440 It sucked. 0.95

00:18:58.440 Not worth it. 0.97

00:18:59.700 I'm man enough to be emotional in front of my wife.

00:19:02.240 In front of my kids.

00:19:03.220 In front of my horse.

00:19:05.300 I'm man enough to tell you that I cry at love actually.

00:19:08.040 Goodwill hunting.

00:19:08.920 West side story.

00:19:09.920 Okay.

00:19:10.540 You get the flavor.

00:19:11.280 I'm sick of soap.

00:19:12.740 We've jumped the shark.

00:19:15.680 Dan, please help me.

00:19:17.780 Oh, goodness.

00:19:18.340 I almost thought that was a Saturday Night Live skit there for a minute.

00:19:22.200 The best I think of is they're trying to use humor and just kind of make it so over the top that you chuckle, but you pay attention and you remember it.

00:19:31.080 It's a little awkward.

00:19:32.500 I'm not sure that's how I would do it.

00:19:34.240 But that's the best that I think you could say about that ad.

00:19:38.020 All I can think is that, like, who is advising them on what appeals to men and what men are like and how to get men?

00:19:48.900 And this is the best I've come up with.

00:19:50.460 I think it's this woman, Arielle Fodder.

00:19:52.240 Remember her from White Chicks for Kamala? 0.95

00:19:54.300 Remember this lady? 0.52

00:19:56.260 Yeah.

00:19:56.660 As white women, we need to use our privilege to make positive changes. 1.00

00:20:01.240 If you find yourself talking over or speaking for BIPOC individuals or, God forbid, correcting them, just take a beat. 1.00

00:20:09.560 And instead, we can put our listening ears on.

00:20:11.600 So do learn from and amplify the voices of those who have been historically marginalized and use the privilege you have in order to push for systemic change.

00:20:23.520 As white people, we have a lot to learn and unlearn.

00:20:28.320 So do check your blind spots.

00:20:31.140 That woman, Sean Spicer, is not only clearly advising Team Harris about how to get men in line, but also CBS News on how interviews with BIPOC people ought to be conducted who are on to bash Israel.

00:20:47.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:20:48.240 But what who thinks men will respond to that?

00:20:53.060 I also find it interesting.

00:20:54.840 They announced yesterday they're sending out Tim Walsh to be the guy that's going to reach.

00:20:59.300 I mean, I wish this wasn't so laughable.

00:21:03.160 I mean, Dan's right.

00:21:03.780 This is like a Saturday Night Live commercial or skit that they're doing.

00:21:08.260 I mean, this is the same group of people that said we're going to issue camo hats to reach conservatives.

00:21:13.700 Like somehow that's the oh, you got a camo hat.

00:21:16.760 Yeah, I totally now want to vote for you.

00:21:18.860 And I think that that's the problem that we're having with this with this campaign is I think that the people that they have advising on different issues are the same people that can't define what a woman is.

00:21:30.140 And they're sitting there saying, well, we're going to reach out to men because we're going to put on a flannel shirt and a camo hat and make it sound cool.

00:21:36.100 Anyway, I wish they spend more money on these ads.

00:21:39.300 I hope to God they do.

00:21:40.860 But this gets back to what I was saying a moment ago, Megan.

00:21:43.220 Think about it.

00:21:43.800 They go on.

00:21:44.460 They do a media blitz.

00:21:45.520 It backfires on them.

00:21:46.740 They send out Barack Obama.

00:21:48.040 It backfires on them.

00:21:49.240 They literally are blowing this lead.

00:21:51.860 And in the last 25 days of a campaign, you want to be surfing the wave into the beach, not trying to hold it back.

00:21:57.540 This is a classic attempt of prevent defense, which is, you know, we're trying to make sure that we have enough time on the clock.

00:22:03.220 They're blowing this in real time.

00:22:05.940 And I cannot wait for the for all of the analysis on November 6th about how they blew this.

00:22:12.100 So I obviously am not a man, but I feel like I know a lot of men who they're targeting.

00:22:18.160 You know, I almost all the men I know are Republicans or Democrats who are pretty centrist.

00:22:25.060 Obviously, I know a lot of right wingers, too.

00:22:26.820 But I'm just saying, like, in my own private personal circles, most of the guys are pretty centrist, left or right.

00:22:34.360 And so those are potential voters, I would think, that the Kamala Harris campaign is thinking.

00:22:38.820 I want to get them.

00:22:39.500 They're not thinking about established Republicans.

00:22:41.720 They're thinking about people who don't love Trump, who have voted Republican in the past, but he's a problem for them.

00:22:49.600 Let me speak for them.

00:22:51.000 This isn't going to do it.

00:22:52.100 You've got to revamp your efforts just because they don't love Trump doesn't mean they're effeminate or severely obese or when they're around their horses.

00:23:05.380 They're wanting you to know how much they cry.

00:23:07.940 That is some far left woman's idea of what a man is.

00:23:13.720 That's not what a real man is, left or right. 0.97

00:23:17.000 So they should have called me.

00:23:18.940 I would have helped them.

00:23:20.040 I would have told them what they should be doing.

00:23:22.360 And honestly, it should have involved an actual man, a manly man who could make the case why Trump is not the one.

00:23:31.040 They missed the opportunity.

00:23:33.040 It goes back to what you said this a moment ago, Megan.

00:23:36.300 They're fundamentally missing the point here.

00:23:38.640 No one's not voting.

00:23:39.760 Maybe there are.

00:23:40.360 There are probably some people, but the vast majority of people have an issue with Kamala Harris.

00:23:44.580 It's not her gender. 0.94

00:23:46.060 It's her lack of authenticity.

00:23:48.040 It's the lack of completeness when it comes to her explanation on her flip flops and where she stands on issues.

00:23:54.060 They're they're trying to pretend that the issue is, is that a bunch of guys just can't vote for a woman.

00:23:58.740 That's false.

00:23:59.820 Right.

00:24:00.240 The problem is that they've misdiagnosed this from the jump and they keep thinking it's a bunch of guys that just can't get over this hurdle of voting for a woman.

00:24:08.180 In fact, it's with her.

00:24:09.320 She fundamentally is a flawed candidate. 1.00

00:24:12.120 That's the problem.

00:24:13.720 And that's exactly right.

00:24:15.180 That's so many.

00:24:16.280 Yeah.

00:24:16.660 For so many Democrats, this is the frustrating thing.

00:24:19.860 There are so many voters open to her that almost want to be given permission to vote for her. 0.94

00:24:26.300 They are telling us exactly what is on their mind.

00:24:29.120 It is the economy and it is, you know, kind of safety, whether it's chaos overseas, immigration.

00:24:34.900 And yet they don't speak to that.

00:24:38.440 And that is what is so frustrating for so many Democrats.

00:24:41.400 That's the theme, Mark, of what we just played, whether it's Barack Obama trying to shame black men into voting for her, saying you're sexist.

00:24:49.160 That's why you don't want to.

00:24:50.240 And then this outreach, quote unquote, to men to vote.

00:24:54.260 See, I'm a real man.

00:24:55.540 I cry at movies and I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris. 0.89

00:24:58.760 Like they're obviously sensing that there's an issue.

00:25:02.240 And even on The New York Times, The Daily podcast yesterday morning, there was a little dance around.

00:25:09.940 Oh, it's extra hard for her because she's a woman and she's got to overcome, you know, these inherent biases that people have against her. 0.96

00:25:18.600 And to me, that smells like losing.

00:25:21.100 Yeah. So I'm working on a list, two lists, actually, if Trump loses, what his people are going to say, why he lost and if she loses.

00:25:31.700 OK, and I compile this list not off the top of my head, but from talking to Democrats who are already worried that she's going to lose.

00:25:39.820 Right. So the big thing will be to blame Joe Biden for staying in the race.

00:25:44.500 Right. Another thing will be misogyny. 0.95

00:25:47.020 Another will be racism.

00:25:48.540 Another will be that the media wasn't tough enough on Trump.

00:25:51.100 But what it comes back to to to to go back on what Sean was saying, the Biden-Harris record on the issues most important to voters is unpopular.

00:26:02.640 He's failed to distance herself from that.

00:26:05.060 She's failed to explain how she would be a good steward of a good economy. 0.95

00:26:09.360 She's failed to convince people that she's being straightforward about her policy changes. 0.85

00:26:13.920 And she's not really confronted a lot of the commander in chief issues.

00:26:17.120 That problem, that set of problems can only be dealt with by her, not by videos, not by Barack Obama, not by Bill Clinton. 0.54

00:26:25.740 These things that they're trying are tactical efforts to to chip away at some of her problems.

00:26:32.620 But only she can address the real problems.

00:26:35.240 And if they if they continue to say, oh, the Electoral College is a horrible thing or, oh, we're still a racist and sexist country.

00:26:42.120 I think her chances of winning go down appreciably.

00:26:44.640 Well, that's what Tim Walz said. He he at a fundraiser said he wants to get rid of the Electoral College.

00:26:50.400 I mean, the truth is, a lot of Democrats do because they often win the popular vote.

00:26:54.440 Not always, but they often win the popular vote, given the population of our cities.

00:26:58.340 Tensaline left. And there's been a lot of polls that have shown they want to get rid of it.

00:27:03.180 But it's never going to happen, given what you'd have to do to the Constitution to get rid of it.

00:27:06.620 But so, yeah, Tim Walz was at a fundraiser and said this and then he was asked about the fact that he said it.

00:27:14.320 And again, like didn't didn't hit. It's very easy to say, you know what?

00:27:19.940 The polls show a majority of Americans are with me.

00:27:22.680 But, you know, obviously, given the hurdles to getting it done, it's a pipe dream.

00:27:26.860 But this is why I believe in it. I mean, that would have been a fine answer.

00:27:29.760 But here's what he said instead.

00:27:31.940 I want to go back to something you said on Tuesday.

00:27:33.640 He said, I think all of us know the Electoral College needs to go.

00:27:37.620 But the campaign came out later that night and they said that's not their stance.

00:27:41.580 Well, it's not the campaign's position.

00:27:43.220 And the point I'm trying to make is, is that there's folks that feel every vote must count in every state.

00:27:48.240 And I think some of folks feel that's not the case.

00:27:51.280 Our campaign does that.

00:27:52.460 And the point I'm saying is, I'm in five states in two days.

00:27:55.500 We're out there making the case that the campaign's position is clear, that that's not their position.

00:27:59.920 Their position and my position is to make sure that everybody understands their vote, no matter what state they're in, matters.

00:28:06.360 So that's something that you and our president here disagree on?

00:28:09.440 I have spoken about it in the past that she's been very clear on this and the campaign and my position is the campaign's position.

00:28:16.320 I mean, once again, he's got his broom out and he's doing his cleanup in aisle seven, guys.

00:28:22.200 Well, can I just two things?

00:28:23.280 One, he needs to get his pronouns right, right?

00:28:25.680 He keeps like the campaign, they, them.

00:28:29.780 It's his campaign.

00:28:30.980 It's Harris Waltz.

00:28:32.520 So let's get your pronouns straight.

00:28:34.040 It's your campaign.

00:28:35.080 It's not they, them. 0.99

00:28:36.660 So the idea that somehow he's like, yeah, I checked with they, them later.

00:28:40.180 And I guess that's not one of our positions.

00:28:42.220 Doesn't make a ton of sense.

00:28:44.100 That's the first thing.

00:28:45.140 The second thing is, look, this goes back to what we've all been saying.

00:28:48.200 The number one and number two issues are the economy, inflation, all that subset that goes with it, and the immigration issue, right?

00:28:56.500 And what is he talking about?

00:28:58.020 The Electoral College.

00:28:59.560 Dude, they cannot, like, just get on message, answer the mail.

00:29:04.380 People care about this.

00:29:05.680 They're Kamala curious because they want to know what you'll do.

00:29:08.580 They know who Trump is and they're willing to give her a shot.

00:29:11.100 And they're like, how about we talk about paint drying?

00:29:13.140 Would you like to hear about paint drying?

00:29:14.680 They will talk about anything except for the issues that matter.

00:29:17.800 And what would give them a shot?

00:29:19.280 It is mind-blowing to me how tone-deaf these guys are when it comes to the issues that matter to voters.

00:29:25.320 You know, I was a Democratic fundraiser for 10 years.

00:29:29.040 I spent a lot of time in, you know, people's living rooms and kitchens.

00:29:33.120 This is the classic case of it's big in the base, right?

00:29:37.360 They're trying to convince themselves, like, we really would win if the rules were fair.

00:29:41.300 Like, you know, and he just put out there, you know, playing to them. 0.96

00:29:46.660 And it's ridiculous.

00:29:48.100 There's 30 days left. 0.94

00:29:49.620 You're down in the race.

00:29:50.700 It's super close.

00:29:51.680 To Sean's point, you know, there are issues that voters are at the top of their mind that

00:29:56.880 could help you persuade people.

00:29:58.560 And this is just kind of living in the Democratic-based, you know, fantasy world of, you know, patting

00:30:04.060 themselves on the back that if the rules were fair in their opinion, we'd win. 0.97

00:30:08.340 It's ridiculous. 0.85

00:30:09.040 It's true. 0.90

00:30:10.600 I told the audience last year, my then eighth grade boy debated this very issue at school.

00:30:17.320 You know, should we keep the electoral college?

00:30:18.720 Shouldn't we?

00:30:19.120 That's fine.

00:30:19.680 That's exactly where that debate belongs.

00:30:21.520 Not in the last 25 days of the actual presidential race, Tim Walz.

00:30:28.440 You mentioned how the blame game will go, Mark Halpern, and I agree with you to some extent.

00:30:33.680 Hey, Megan, what side was your son on, by the way, just out of curiosity?

00:30:36.480 Keep the electoral college or we're going to break up the union. 0.97

00:30:40.120 Good for him.

00:30:40.140 All right.

00:30:40.360 All right.

00:30:40.500 Yeah.

00:30:42.920 And I do think that there will be internal factions on both sides that are like this.

00:30:49.340 So if she loses, you're going to have a large portion of Democrats saying it shouldn't have

00:30:54.480 been her.

00:30:55.640 I wrote an op-ed.

00:30:56.940 I said we should have an open primary.

00:30:59.260 She's not the strongest for the job. 0.82

00:31:00.560 And they'll be pointing the finger at the other side of the Democratic Party that pushed,

00:31:04.680 you know, responsible for the so-called coup.

00:31:06.680 Right.

00:31:07.240 And on the Republican side, it'll be the same.

00:31:09.180 We told you Trump couldn't do it.

00:31:10.660 His negatives are too high.

00:31:12.080 We should have done DeSantis, whatever.

00:31:13.480 So there's going to be infighting with either party.

00:31:15.760 But I do think on the Dem side, it's going to be very hard to get past Kamala Harris's

00:31:21.740 unique flaws and challenges as a candidate, as a communicator.

00:31:27.680 So last night, she goes to a town hall with Univision, which is on her side.

00:31:34.500 This should have been very easy.

00:31:36.500 And she gives her pre-rehearsed opening statement.

00:31:40.460 This wasn't even in response to a question.

00:31:42.580 This is just like, hey, let me make my case to you before I get started.

00:31:45.420 It's the same filler, fluffy nothingness that we have been listening to for weeks now.

00:31:54.240 Here's a sample.

00:31:54.880 I think it is important that leadership recognizes the dignity to which each person is entitled.

00:32:03.600 That leadership is about understanding the importance of lifting people up, understanding

00:32:09.720 that the character of our country is such that we are a people who have ambitions, aspirations,

00:32:16.240 dreams, goals for ourselves and our families, and are entitled to have a leader who then

00:32:23.180 invests in that.

00:32:24.720 The two visions, simply put, are that one is about the future and the other is about the

00:32:31.320 past and taking us backward.

00:32:34.000 And I do believe that the American people are ambitious and aspirational about an investment

00:32:40.620 in the future in a way that we are optimistic while being clear-eyed.

00:32:44.200 I can't, Mark.

00:32:46.820 I, please, when, November 5th cannot come soon enough.

00:32:50.780 I, this is all she ever says.

00:32:53.120 Those words, those same words.

00:32:55.340 Who told her, just say, I mean, like, is that the Barack Obama campaign?

00:32:59.180 Hope, hope, hope, hope.

00:33:00.940 Like, she just thinks saying ambitions and aspirations and dreams over and over and over again.

00:33:05.500 We've done forensic deconstructions of all of her interviews.

00:33:08.820 Is the way forward?

00:33:10.120 It's a word salad without a lot of ingredients, just like six, the same six ingredients over

00:33:18.540 and over again.

00:33:19.320 Look, she, the two things that amaze me are, one, this is the exact same person who several

00:33:30.500 months ago, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, most Democratic donors, most Democratic strategists

00:33:38.880 would have said, if we replace Joe Biden, obviously it can't be with Kamala Harris, because that's 1.00

00:33:45.120 not a great, that's not a great trait.

00:33:46.880 And second, this is the same press corps that covered up for several years for Joe Biden,

00:33:53.720 who's now covering her.

00:33:55.840 And while the coverage of her in the last couple of weeks has gotten a little bit tougher,

00:34:00.500 and Bill Whitaker's interview was by far the toughest one she's faced, it's still the

00:34:05.160 case that she's now likely to get election day without the dominant media, to use David 0.99

00:34:10.960 Plough's phrase, putting her in the barrel. 0.98

00:34:12.540 Well, she's not had, she's lost some news cycles, but she hasn't had a single crisis.

00:34:16.800 And just as the press went along watching Joe Biden, clearly not with the same cognitive

00:34:23.320 abilities he had several years ago, they're just going along covering this like nothing's

00:34:27.980 happening here, that her events are fine, and that she's doing what she needs to do.

00:34:33.120 Maybe she'll win, but no one I know, including a lot of Democrats who are honest about her

00:34:39.020 performance level, think that performance level is good enough to win.

00:34:43.540 So what do you think, Dan, is causing the stall?

00:34:47.660 I've heard you guys talking about, you know, she stalled, and is she stalled and tied, or 0.92

00:34:52.020 is she stalled and behind?

00:34:53.200 And it seemed like you had a consensus on your show that she was stalled and behind.

00:34:57.540 What do you think is causing that?

00:35:00.400 Because we all saw the rocket ship go up when she subbed in, and brat, summer, and the DNC

00:35:07.720 with all their stars, and Democrats were feeling the way Republicans were feeling after their

00:35:12.540 convention before the switcheroo had happened.

00:35:15.880 So what happened?

00:35:16.920 Yeah, I believe she is stalled and behind.

00:35:22.480 And what has happened is when she started this media blitz earlier in the week, it seemed

00:35:29.340 like the game plan was to not make news, to kind of just, you know, get through it, don't

00:35:35.160 put your foot in your mouth. 0.75

00:35:36.820 She obviously did on the answer about what she would do differently than Joe Biden.

00:35:41.580 But that's a stance that you take when you have the lead, when you're trying to run the

00:35:47.240 clock out, and just, you know, to use a football analogy, not turn the ball over.

00:35:52.120 But instead, you need to be forcing turnovers and putting points on the board.

00:35:56.700 And I think, you know, I actually thought she did well in the town hall, we can debate that

00:36:00.700 kind of opening, I thought, as the kind of, as it went on, she relaxed, she had some very

00:36:06.020 good answers, but they're not penetrating.

00:36:08.860 She's not having anything new to say.

00:36:11.960 And here we are, you know, we were talking earlier about young Black men, Barack Obama,

00:36:16.260 we're talking about how she didn't make news yesterday.

00:36:18.540 What's the one thing Donald Trump did yesterday?

00:36:20.720 He gives a speech in Detroit, we can talk about, you know, whether or not some of it was

00:36:24.900 a little off the rails, but he proposes a tax cut for an auto loan, which hits people

00:36:30.460 right in their pocketbooks, right?

00:36:32.300 Like, I'd rather be him today, according to the Black vote, than the Democrats, which makes 1.00

00:36:37.080 me want to pull my hair out.

00:36:38.840 And so I think, you know, you have to change, you know, the foot you're on from your back

00:36:43.240 foot to your front foot.

00:36:44.660 And you need to be winning news cycles, because you have to stop Trump's momentum.

00:36:49.000 If you look right now, in the blue wall states, I know you talked about it on your show yesterday.

00:36:53.880 It's not just that she's behind by two or three points.

00:36:56.880 OK, things go up and down.

00:36:59.120 The trend lines the last three weeks are all in Trump's favor.

00:37:02.740 You have to stop that, because if two or three becomes four or six, you haven't seen anything

00:37:07.780 in terms of Democratic panic.

00:37:10.200 Yeah, if I can just add.

00:37:11.620 I'm noticing.

00:37:12.240 Yeah, go ahead, Sean.

00:37:13.800 Yeah, Dan's absolutely right.

00:37:14.980 It's the trend line, right?

00:37:16.060 It's not one poll or two polls.

00:37:17.940 When she came out of the convention, you looked at the real clear politics average of polls

00:37:21.720 in the states.

00:37:22.280 It was Harris, Harris, one, three, one, three.

00:37:24.380 Then a lot of them went to tie, tie.

00:37:26.780 Now it's Trump, Trump, Trump.

00:37:28.160 So the shift in a lot of these states is left to right, and that's concerning for them

00:37:32.900 in each of these battleground states, probably save Nevada.

00:37:36.460 But Tim Hogan, our former colleague, had a great anecdote that really surmised what was

00:37:41.060 happening after, you know, when Biden got pushed out.

00:37:44.240 People kept saying, well, God, what people don't like Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:37:47.340 What do we do?

00:37:47.840 And he said, imagine it's raining and your co-worker has a car when you walk out of the

00:37:52.500 office and says, hop in my car, I'll drive you.

00:37:55.060 You're excited.

00:37:55.800 You may not like the co-worker, but you're like, hey, they've got a car.

00:37:59.320 It's pouring rain.

00:38:00.200 It's dry in the car.

00:38:01.180 I'll get in the ride.

00:38:02.000 The problem is, is that as the car ride goes on, Kamala Harris is that passenger that won't

00:38:06.680 stop talking.

00:38:07.760 And you're like, you know what?

00:38:08.620 At some point, just get out.

00:38:09.920 I need to get out of this car.

00:38:11.560 And, you know, that what you just played about the Univision town hall exemplifies it.

00:38:16.960 People were willing to give her a chance.

00:38:18.760 They were willing to engage in conversation with her.

00:38:21.280 But she has shunned them, basically, since, you know, the convention.

00:38:25.240 People thought there'd be something more.

00:38:26.920 There'd be more substance.

00:38:27.880 There'd be more explanation.

00:38:29.260 There'd be more there there.

00:38:30.460 And there's not.

00:38:31.380 And they're coming to the realization that I was willing to give somebody else a chance,

00:38:35.500 another look.

00:38:36.360 I was willing to be curious about her.

00:38:38.740 But I know what I'm getting with Trump.

00:38:40.520 And the biggest issues that I'm concerned about, the economy, the immigration, I know 1.00

00:38:43.960 the Trump record.

00:38:45.000 I may not like everything he says and does.

00:38:46.700 But at the end of the day, I'm way too concerned about where she'll ultimately come out.

00:38:51.120 So I'll fold with Trump.

00:38:52.260 And we're seeing that in focus group after focus group.

00:38:55.020 They've waited long enough.

00:38:56.320 And they're saying, you know what?

00:38:58.040 I gave her a shot.

00:38:59.060 I got to go with Trump.

00:39:00.820 You know, Mark, I watch her and I can't help but think she's no Obama.

00:39:06.900 You know, Obama 2008, which is what they're wanting us to feel that she is.

00:39:11.200 You know, Obama was all about hope and change.

00:39:14.100 We all remember that.

00:39:15.140 But Obama could sell it like nobody's business.

00:39:18.140 It's I mean, he really was a once in a generation political talent, whether you agree with his

00:39:22.480 policies or not, that that you can't dispute.

00:39:25.020 And he was selling specific things.

00:39:29.060 He was I was there.

00:39:30.880 He was talking about Obamacare, what would become Obamacare and changing people's lives.

00:39:37.200 He was talking about the Iraq war and making a point about how it needed to end.

00:39:41.600 He, you know, he voted against it, all of that.

00:39:43.380 He was talking about the environment.

00:39:45.820 I mean, who could forget the seas will open, whatever, however he put it.

00:39:51.600 I guess I did forget.

00:39:52.920 But in Des Moines, Iowa, when he was running, like he made these grandiose promises on the

00:39:58.820 environment and things that people loved.

00:40:00.340 She's so myopic. 0.93

00:40:02.220 It's like first time homebuyers are going to get this little tax break.

00:40:05.920 And the people who are diabetics are going to do better on their monthly insulin and price

00:40:14.480 gouging is going to stop at the grocery store.

00:40:17.500 But there's been a lot of counterprogramming on that, even from leftist news organizations

00:40:21.360 saying there is no price gouging happening at grocery stores.

00:40:24.280 So it's like she's not it.

00:40:26.200 And she really, really wants us to believe she's it with the ambitions and the aspirations

00:40:30.220 and the dream talk, which is incessant.

00:40:32.940 But I'll say again, I think she can win.

00:40:37.460 And I think she's got because she's showing strength in the Sunbelt states.

00:40:41.200 She's got multiple paths now rather than just one for now.

00:40:45.160 I think I think, you know, is she as skilled a candidate as the last two Democratic nominees?

00:40:51.340 I just don't think she is compared to Hillary Clinton or compared to Barack Obama or Bill Clinton.

00:40:56.040 I don't think she's as skilled, even as John Kerry, because she started to have to do this from a standing start.

00:41:03.040 She's not been on the national stage very long.

00:41:05.220 So I think that's one issue.

00:41:06.960 She's just not proficient.

00:41:09.080 Number two, her Achilles heel is that she's indecisive. 1.00

00:41:13.040 And she's at a time when if she's going to win, she needs to take the whole campaign and 57 or 47 percent of the country plus put them on her back and win it. 1.00

00:41:22.880 And as an indecisive person with decisions to make every day, that's the Achilles heel.

00:41:28.180 And then lastly, I think sometimes we overlook this.

00:41:30.960 She's the most liberal person to be the Democratic nominee by a lot. 0.98

00:41:35.440 And this is not a super liberal country.

00:41:38.100 It's a centrist country.

00:41:39.640 And the voters she's trying to win over are centrist. 1.00

00:41:42.020 And by being vague and evasive about what she actually believes, particularly on issues like the economy and trans issues.

00:41:49.580 She is letting people say, I don't like Trump, but I can't vote for something that's such a question mark.

00:41:56.160 And we have people who come on the morning meeting and say, I can't vote for someone who's insulting my intelligence by not addressing these things.

00:42:03.860 She had a short campaign, but she spends a lot of days with one or two events and some days with no events.

00:42:10.500 And some voters read that as a failure to respect the responsibility she has in a short campaign to go the extra mile working around the clock to explain things to people. 0.98

00:42:21.700 And she's not done it to many voters.

00:42:23.740 To ask for the job by explaining her positions to the people she wants to hire her. 0.99

00:42:28.380 I mean, that was my one of my frustrations in the 60 interview.

00:42:30.960 It's true that Bill Whitaker did a better job than those who came before him.

00:42:34.580 But that is truly like being the thinnest kid at fat camp.

00:42:38.020 He he asked her very fair questions about policy, about foreign policy.

00:42:42.120 And she just kept saying, I'm not going to answer a hypothetical like it's a deposition.

00:42:45.560 You can get away with that in a deposition. Totally fine answer in a deposition.

00:42:48.600 She's interviewing for the most important job in the world. 0.93

00:42:51.020 We're entitled to answers on that diplomatic answers.

00:42:53.600 Sure, you don't have to commit to a specific strategy, but you can give us the framework that you would attack the issue of Iran and China.

00:43:00.960 And on Taiwan and Ukraine and so on with she didn't just a little bit of news here.

00:43:06.920 The Daily Mail had an interesting report.

00:43:08.880 They went and pulled her performance reviews from right after she was San Francisco D.A.

00:43:13.140 And they found that when she was in her very next position, she did not get the greatest reviews for things along the lines that you just touched on, Mark Halpern.

00:43:22.880 And interestingly, they write, although she and her team got favorable ratings for the quality of their work and creativity in the advice and understanding problems, they got less favorable marks for other important metrics on a scale of one to five.

00:43:34.300 Harris only got a two on whether she was thorough, helpful and proactive, only a three on whether she had good judgment.

00:43:41.880 She also got a two for recognizing deadlines, fast turnaround and anticipating their needs.

00:43:48.260 It's kind of interesting.

00:43:49.120 Even more embarrassing was her failure to return phone calls and emails promptly.

00:43:55.540 I mean, I think that's kind of interesting given the critiques you just raised about like, does she understand it's crunch time?

00:44:03.780 Does she understand she's got to make decisions, pedal to the metal?

00:44:07.540 It's go time. And I'm I don't know.

00:44:10.540 I mean, maybe she does.

00:44:11.500 Dana, we're being too tough on her and she thinks go time means call her daddy and Howard Stern and all the rest of it. 0.88

00:44:17.700 Yeah, I think what's concerning for Democrats, I mean, go back to Mark's earlier statement about if Democrats could have picked a candidate this summer in a vacuum, it would not have been Kamala Harris in her 2019 campaign.

00:44:30.440 This is what she exhibited.

00:44:32.340 She has that first great debate against Joe Biden, where she kind of attacks him about school busing.

00:44:39.340 And then in the next debate, she's asked a question that everybody knew was coming.

00:44:43.080 Elizabeth Warren's Medicare for all.

00:44:45.040 And she twists herself in a pretzel.

00:44:47.520 And then for the next couple of months, can't clean it up, can't get back on a front foot.

00:44:52.500 And I think people gave her some slack when the when this campaign first started, you get out of the gate fast.

00:44:59.660 You're filling, you know, arenas with 15000 people.

00:45:02.620 You pick a vice president. You have a convention to Sean's point.

00:45:06.440 Everyone then thought you're going to start filling in the blanks.

00:45:10.180 We've had Marcus done some excellent focus groups that we've talked about on the morning meeting.

00:45:14.800 Every focus group of undecided voters, they say, I want to hear more from her on the economy, how she would handle overseas conflicts like the data is screaming.

00:45:26.280 This is what people want. And yet the strategy seems to be don't make news.

00:45:31.640 As you say, it's like school uniforms with Bill Clinton in 1996.

00:45:35.400 I'm going to expand the child, you know, tax credit, make it easier to purchase a home and to start a small business.

00:45:42.240 But if you're that American pie family, you have two kids, you own your home.

00:45:47.300 You're not going to have more kids. There's nothing in those three things she's talking about that appeals to you.

00:45:52.520 Right. You already own your home. You're not going to go start a small business at this point in your career.

00:45:56.640 So what is it that you're saying to them or to the young black man to make them want to vote for you?

00:46:02.760 And this is why people are getting very nervous.

00:46:05.180 She's playing to her character form of just being very cautious and don't make a mistake when you're in California.

00:46:12.060 It's fine. But you have to defeat Donald Trump, not hope that he loses this.

00:46:18.180 You know, Megan, one of the things that Dan pointed out, we talked about this probably ad nauseum on the morning meeting.

00:46:22.820 She's got a lot of smart people around her. Right. 1.00

00:46:25.060 They have a ton of money and a ton of data. They know exactly what we just said, which is here's what you need to do.

00:46:32.500 And the only conclusion that makes sense to draw is she can't do it. Right.

00:46:36.800 It's at some point it was like the people who said Joe Biden needs to do the following.

00:46:40.820 And we just knew that cognitively and physically he just couldn't do it.

00:46:44.180 He's got smart people around him, too. At some point, the folks around her, they know what she should and could do to help close the deal.

00:46:52.300 They've come to the conclusion that she just can't do it.

00:46:56.020 And so therefore they've pivoted and found other ways.

00:46:58.640 They're really relying on paid media, the cycle in a way that I've never seen a candidate have to because she is incapable of going out and doing those interviews that don't result in us playing the clips.

00:47:09.680 Afterwards, we go look at how she answered the following question.

00:47:12.280 That should have been a layup. The only thing I will say is as a former as a recovering lawyer myself, there's no way she doesn't know how to argue.

00:47:21.600 I mean, there's just no way she doesn't know how to. This is what you do, especially as a prosecutor.

00:47:26.320 You go in there and you do battle the stuff that makes, you know, the sexy headlines are the trials and the openings and the closings.

00:47:33.180 Although I don't know how much of that she did. There's been an empty effort to find the trial transcripts and the proof of exactly what cases, if any, she tried.

00:47:41.900 But for sure, you stand in front of a judge and you make an argument against somebody who's telling the judge you're an idiot. 0.99

00:47:47.040 I mean, that's really the core of what lawyers do. You fight. You fight rhetorically. 1.00

00:47:51.020 Why can't she do that? Why doesn't she put herself down in front of an arguer, an adverse interviewer and go toe to toe? 1.00

00:48:00.180 That's exactly the kind of thing that might generate news headlines, Mark, and get her some positive press.

00:48:05.460 In part, because, again, she's so risk averse. She's so indecisive. 0.98

00:48:09.640 She doesn't like making mistakes and paying a price for them. She doesn't like alienating any group of voters. 1.00

00:48:14.840 And so if you do that and you're performing and you're not that confident in your performance, and we saw after the Lester Holt interview where she said, I haven't been to Europe, she stopped doing interviews.

00:48:25.340 She does not like to fail in the public realm. She doesn't like people upset with her. 0.91

00:48:30.680 The only thing harder than covering Donald Trump as a journalist is running against him.

00:48:35.080 It's very difficult to run against him because he gets in your head, he insults you, he says provocative things, he has a record January 6th, etc.

00:48:46.200 Running against him takes a superior political athlete.

00:48:49.820 The only one who beat him was Joe Biden, and that was the conditions of COVID in a very unorthodox situation.

00:48:56.220 Otherwise, he beat every Republican. He beat Hillary Clinton.

00:48:59.720 He's very complicated to run against.

00:49:01.780 It takes a great political athlete, and she's not demonstrated that that is her in her past political career, does not demonstrate that.

00:49:08.820 That's so true. And you look at, I mean, one of the things I'm noticing is today I got all my favorite websites.

00:49:13.420 Every single headline is about Trump and it's negative, which is good for him.

00:49:17.200 I mean, that's just so weird, but that's a difficult position for her.

00:49:20.420 Even when the headlines are terrible for your opponent, it's good for your opponent.

00:49:24.920 It's just Trump with his earned media.

00:49:27.080 I don't know how that works exactly, but I know it works.

00:49:29.740 We've watched it now, in particular in 16, that this stuff doesn't seem to hurt him.

00:49:35.300 And most people can see that it's mostly nonsense, but there's a lot more to go over.

00:49:39.700 This Tim Walls interview and this Doug Emhoff interview and Trump ripping on Detroit while he's in Detroit, Michigan, is another thing we need to discuss.

00:49:48.420 Stand by. We'll be right back.

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00:51:56.600 If we are willing to work for it and fight for it and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless.

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00:52:39.700 That one was for you, Dan.

00:52:41.600 That was for you.

00:52:42.920 Welcome back to The Megan Kelly Show.

00:52:44.140 Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine are here.

00:52:47.100 They host the morning meeting, which you can check out live every morning on the two-way YouTube channel.

00:52:55.120 You see my point?

00:52:56.620 That was St. Paul.

00:52:57.480 I had it right, except it was St. Paul, Minnesota, not Des Moines, Iowa.

00:53:01.460 There's only one Barack Obama, and neither Josh Shapiro nor Kamala Harris can be Barack Obama.

00:53:07.780 You know, you can talk about hopes and dreams and aspirations, but no one could sell it the way he could.

00:53:13.600 It's just a different animal altogether.

00:53:15.800 I just want to take you down their memory lane, because that was a rough hour, Dan.

00:53:21.320 Yes, it was, and he's a little grayer now.

00:53:24.700 Yeah, and a lot more, like, I guess I shouldn't say more preachy, because he was a little preachy there, but a lot more sort of sanctimonious and bossy than he used to be.

00:53:34.080 Okay, now I want to talk about Tim Walsh, because Tim Walsh is also out on the new media tour and trying to help her when he's not defending his comments on the Electoral College.

00:53:44.640 And he sits down with Michael Strahan, who's the best thing ABC has going.

00:53:51.260 And Strahan actually asks him about his many, many lies.

00:53:58.160 There's a much longer list than actually came up, but he did raise it to his credit.

00:54:02.520 Here's how that went in SOT 8.

00:54:06.040 You've made some statements that just aren't true.

00:54:09.180 And a comment about weapons of war that I carried in war, which you didn't.

00:54:12.700 You said that you were in Hong Kong during the 10, I'm in Square, massacre when you weren't.

00:54:17.400 You kind of chalked it all up to bad grammar or getting the dates wrong.

00:54:21.320 But your opponents say you lied to make yourself look better.

00:54:25.720 Do they have a point?

00:54:27.460 Well, look, 35 years ago, got the opportunity to be in Hong Kong, be in China, learned a lot about it.

00:54:33.800 Served 24 years in the National Guard.

00:54:36.720 Passionately, in an instance, talking about gun violence in schools, on an instance there.

00:54:43.120 Proud of the service that I've done.

00:54:44.740 Proud to be a teacher in that classroom.

00:54:46.660 Proud to have been very public all these years.

00:54:48.780 And owning it when I, you know, said, look, I was there in August of 89.

00:54:53.300 And I think the policies, whether it be dealing with China and understanding China's human rights record,

00:54:58.020 what you can be certain there is that Kamala Harris and I aren't going to, you know, pick dictators on speed dial.

00:55:04.800 Well, you know, but it's one of the things we trust.

00:55:07.460 There are going to be some people who say we can't trust him to even tell the truth about himself.

00:55:11.880 What do you say to them?

00:55:13.200 Well, I said they know who I am.

00:55:14.880 I know who I am.

00:55:15.640 I know the work that I've done.

00:55:16.620 I know that things get spun in a political environment.

00:55:19.620 And Vice President Harris said, is she told you to be a little bit more careful on how you say things?

00:55:25.360 Well, I did it, you know, even the other day of just speaking passionately about these gun violence situations and meeting with these survivors.

00:55:33.100 I wear my emotions on my sleeve.

00:55:34.980 And I do think in these positions, whether it be governor or being vice president of the United States, you do need to be careful.

00:55:41.140 You do need to be a little more thoughtful on it.

00:55:43.920 Okay, guys, I will say I will submit to you that the American people are not dumb and I would submit to you that the American people will look over.

00:55:54.880 I'm friends with school shooters, which he said in that vice presidential debate as him misspeaking.

00:56:00.700 Everyone will give him that grace.

00:56:02.660 But it's not going to work on this litany of other lies because you don't misspeak over and over and over and over again the very same way, which is to make you look better on multiple subjects.

00:56:16.020 And the American people continue with the grace.

00:56:18.720 It's just not how lies work.

00:56:20.540 That Tiananmen Square thing, we've gone over this with the audience, but we found another instance of him doing it on camera.

00:56:27.880 We had told the audience about this earlier and we had only had the written transcript of it, but we have since found the on camera version.

00:56:36.820 And here is the latest offering.

00:56:39.400 This is from a May 2014 congressional hearing where CNN's K-File had highlighted this, but again, without a link to the actual sound.

00:56:48.480 It was a hearing for the Congressional Executive Commission on China.

00:56:52.220 And take a listen to how he described his, where he was when Tiananmen Square happened in 1989.

00:57:00.580 It certainly had an enduring influence on me as a young man.

00:57:03.160 I was just going and going to teach high school in Fosan in Guangdong and was in Hong Kong in May of 89.

00:57:11.560 And as the events were unfolding, several of us went in.

00:57:16.280 And I still remember the train station in Hong Kong.

00:57:18.340 It was a large number, especially European, I think, very angry that we would we would still go after what had happened.

00:57:26.520 And that, of course, was not the only time.

00:57:29.020 Here's a little walk down memory lane.

00:57:30.860 Watch.

00:57:32.380 Yeah, it was in Hong Kong.

00:57:33.360 So we were the first group of American high school teachers to teach in Chinese high schools.

00:57:37.100 But I was in Hong Kong when it happened.

00:57:38.600 I was in Hong Kong on on June 4th when Tiananmen happened.

00:57:42.040 I was in Hong Kong on on June 4th, 1989, when, of course, Tiananmen Square happened.

00:57:48.340 And on and on, because we could go through the written record of it, too.

00:57:52.540 So you tell me, Sean Spicer, whether I'm right in my theory about the American people.

00:57:58.120 Absolutely.

00:57:58.760 Look, I'll say this.

00:58:00.320 Among the four of us, I have the most expertise at screwing up and making mistakes at the highest levels.

00:58:06.240 So I think I'm I'm somewhat of an expert when it comes to some of these things.

00:58:10.120 And there is a big difference between making a mistake, getting somebody's name wrong and lying.

00:58:15.460 Right. And we have allowed the media to talk to us about how much Donald Trump and everyone on the right lies and spread misinformation.

00:58:22.100 He lied about being in Tiananmen Square.

00:58:24.460 And I'm sorry, you don't go.

00:58:25.480 You know what?

00:58:25.800 The more I thought about it, it was the target in Edina. 0.99

00:58:28.240 Like Tiananmen Square during a high profile event like that is pretty notable.

00:58:32.860 You don't go, you know, you're right.

00:58:34.600 I wasn't there.

00:58:36.220 He lied about IVF.

00:58:37.540 He lied about receiving a Chamber of Commerce award in Nebraska.

00:58:40.860 He lied about his rank is as a military official.

00:58:43.720 And I'm sorry, as somebody who has actually done that, like served, you don't lie about your rank the way that he did.

00:58:49.960 You lied about carrying weapons of war.

00:58:51.820 It's a pattern.

00:58:53.000 He's a fabulous.

00:58:53.720 He lies about everything.

00:58:56.480 And for some reason, we excuse this to bad grammar. 0.96

00:58:59.580 And I'm a knucklehead. 0.97

00:59:00.900 He is a pattern of lying. 0.98

00:59:03.080 And no one else seems to call him on it.

00:59:05.140 They just excuse it.

00:59:06.180 You saw Strahan ask the question, as you pointed out.

00:59:09.100 But there's no follow up.

00:59:10.360 I mean, it's he gets away with it and says, yeah, you know, I use bad grammar.

00:59:14.720 Bad grammar is which not that not lying about where you were in China versus Minnesota.

00:59:21.420 There would be it would be so great to follow up and actually say, come on, Governor, you would know if you were in Tiananmen Square, if you were in China, when Tiananmen Square happened.

00:59:31.320 You just like, you know, if you're in southern Manhattan on the day of 9-11, just like you knew if you were at Pearl Harbor on D-Day, you know, if you are actually there or not.

00:59:41.980 But you're really asking this audience to believe you just mixed up the dates.

00:59:47.040 That's the follow up.

00:59:48.340 And by the way, on the retired command sergeant major matter, that's the one to zero in on because that he said, I think we counted over a dozen times.

00:59:56.420 I mean, that one is really kind of his favorite to say that he's a retired command sergeant major.

01:00:01.040 That really is a stolen valor situation where he elevated his rank inappropriately.

01:00:04.720 And there's no way he can get away with, I misspoke.

01:00:09.040 I mean, if I interviewed Tim Walsh, I'd have it on my phone.

01:00:11.480 I would press play and I would say, you really want us to believe that that's all bad grammar?

01:00:16.380 That's all you speaking passionately?

01:00:18.220 You didn't understand that you never attained that rank?

01:00:20.900 You didn't do the work.

01:00:21.740 You didn't do the training.

01:00:23.020 And you didn't rightly have that title, sir.

01:00:25.680 See what he says then.

01:00:26.760 It doesn't you don't you actually don't have to be Megan Kelly as a former litigator to do it.

01:00:31.400 You just have to be a good journalist.

01:00:32.880 Dan, you take it.

01:00:35.080 Megan, there's an old expression that my wife likes to use, which is part of my language. 1.00

01:00:39.380 If you have to eat shit, don't nibble. 0.99

01:00:41.400 And he just keeps nibbling around and around in circles. 1.00

01:00:45.520 As you say, if it was just one of these things, you could kind of tap dance and like try to move on.

01:00:51.380 But to Sean's point, it's so prevalent that it does go to the character issue.

01:00:56.500 And as Democrats, we would rather talk about the fact that Trump has trouble with the truth and like all of this stuff.

01:01:02.680 And you completely undercut yourself when your own vice president is constantly having to explain one thing after the other.

01:01:10.480 And all he can say is, I'm a knucklehead and it's all over Saturday Night Live.

01:01:15.060 I mean, even they're laughing at him.

01:01:16.380 I'm a knucklehead was not a great headline for them coming out of the debate.

01:01:21.280 I realize they wanted to focus more on 2020.

01:01:23.620 But does that limit, would you say, Mark, Tim Walz's ability to really go out there and be a surrogate for her?

01:01:29.640 Not necessarily on the campaign trail, but when he's dealing with a reporter.

01:01:32.900 Because now enough reporters have seen the litany that they do feel compelled to ask about it.

01:01:38.160 I think I need to recuse myself from this one because I, too, was in Hong Kong the day of the Tiananmen Square attack.

01:01:46.640 So, look, he has trouble with the truth.

01:01:50.840 And you could say it's psychotic or you could say it's purposeful and conniving.

01:01:55.780 But the reality is people don't vote for the bottom of the ticket.

01:02:00.120 And although he is asked about it in that interview, and although it's in the crevices of stories about him, people aren't focused on him.

01:02:09.420 The press is still pro-Harris enough that it's not going to be what it should be, which should also be for Donald Trump,

01:02:16.860 which is they both picked guys who are on the bubble of, is this person ready to be president?

01:02:21.260 They both picked people about whom a lot of Americans have doubts, but I don't think they're escalating or have escalated or will escalate to the point where this will be a voting issue.

01:02:31.200 He doesn't get covered very much. Shady Vance doesn't get covered very much.

01:02:34.080 It's the normal rhythm.

01:02:35.400 As long as you clear the bar, ready to be president, and that's the perception by the press, and I think a lot of the public, it's not top of mind.

01:02:42.320 So I think it'd be scary to a lot of people if he became president, if he hadn't proven to people that there's an explanation here that's comforting,

01:02:51.460 because it's not comforting to listen to and watch those videos.

01:02:54.960 But I don't think it's going to impact the race.

01:02:57.820 J.D. Vance, I think, proved that he's up to the job at that vice presidential debate.

01:03:02.220 However, he still has a hurdle to overcome when it comes to likability, given the way the press went for him when he first was launched as the second half of the ticket.

01:03:14.640 And he's working on it.

01:03:15.720 I will give a shout out to our pals over at the Ruthless Program, as they call it, who managed to get J.D. Vance out on a fishing boat in Michigan.

01:03:26.140 I think it was Michigan, in a hilarious bit that they just dropped on their YouTube channel, where just the audience knows these guys very well because they come on regularly.

01:03:34.660 They split up Josh Holmes with J.D. from Smug and Duncan and Ashbrook, and they were in a fishing competition.

01:03:44.900 The two boats went out, and let's just say Smug and crew were not entirely above board when it came to the vote count.

01:03:54.460 Let's watch.

01:03:56.140 Smug's reeling it in.

01:04:24.260 He's got to get out of there.

01:04:29.940 I'd like a hand recount of that fish because none of us think that that fish is actually alive.

01:04:36.260 Ballard harvesting over here.

01:04:38.740 Ballard harvesting.

01:04:39.580 Yeah, he's a little cold.

01:04:41.140 He may have been.

01:04:41.920 He may have been.

01:04:43.060 They actually got a frozen fish. 1.00

01:04:47.320 You guys are so full of shit. 1.00

01:04:48.840 When I saw it, I was like, that fish is not moving. 1.00

01:04:50.800 This is like the hanging chad of fishing competitions.

01:04:57.560 No, this ball is rejected.

01:04:58.900 I'm sorry, but that's just too good, Dan.

01:05:05.320 He was there with his son, too.

01:05:06.740 I mean, anybody who watches that is going to have to smile.

01:05:09.260 I mean, look, that's excellent.

01:05:11.760 It's humanizing.

01:05:12.900 You just relax when you watch it, and you're sitting there chuckling.

01:05:16.140 You know, one thing, Megan, just to go back to what you were saying, not to kind of end a good story here, is I think the one place that Walls could have had an impact is he was picked for his communication skills, amongst other reasons.

01:05:30.520 Right. He was on TV over the summer.

01:05:32.580 He kind of got hot at the right time.

01:05:34.600 He had the whole weird comment that went viral.

01:05:37.360 I think one of the things that his constant misstatements has caused is they're less comfortable putting him out there to press the case.

01:05:46.600 And we go back to when you're trailing, you need everybody on the team in the game playing their best.

01:05:52.340 And they are a little hesitant to put him out there.

01:05:55.460 I mean, he's only done a handful of interviews because they don't want him to have to explain this stuff.

01:06:01.840 So, yeah, well, but just juxtapose that to J.D., right?

01:06:06.300 He's everywhere.

01:06:07.200 He's at the Ruthless podcast.

01:06:08.600 He's on ABC, CNN.

01:06:10.240 You can put J.D. Vance in any environment right now, media wise, enemy territory or not.

01:06:15.920 And he comes across.

01:06:16.940 Well, he hasn't had one forced error in this cycle.

01:06:21.220 Everything that they've dug up on J.D. is in the past.

01:06:23.840 Right.

01:06:24.240 He is playing pitch perfect.

01:06:25.740 He handles interviews well.

01:06:27.260 And to Dan's point, you want your surrogates. 0.70

01:06:29.560 This is something we talk about on the morning meeting quite often.

01:06:31.760 But you want your surrogates to be pushing the needle forward for you, selling your case.

01:06:36.180 And right now, they've taken who they thought should be their strongest surrogate.

01:06:40.040 And they've got to now figure out what to do with the guy.

01:06:42.260 Whereas J.D. Vance, he's going to be on the Sunday shows this Sunday.

01:06:45.620 He's out there doing all of these, you know, whether it's a podcast or CNN, he'll go do anything.

01:06:50.660 He's like Mikey.

01:06:51.520 You can send him.

01:06:52.240 He likes it all.

01:06:54.240 The reality is, Vance didn't have a particularly, quote unquote, good night at the debate.

01:07:02.180 That's J.D. Vance.

01:07:03.920 And Waltz didn't have a particularly bad night.

01:07:06.300 That seems to be who he is.

01:07:08.380 Debating's not the end of it.

01:07:09.940 But it was quite revealing of their skills and of their readiness to be on the big stage.

01:07:15.580 J.D. is newer to politics, but he's an incredibly intellectually gifted guy, incredibly articulate guy.

01:07:21.460 And he understands the agenda of the ticket.

01:07:25.040 Waltz doesn't understand the agenda ticket because it's not clear that she does yet.

01:07:29.600 Right.

01:07:29.660 That's true.

01:07:30.380 You see that confidence on him when he's out there being asked questions like he doesn't want to get ahead of her.

01:07:35.600 You know, even when the American hostages were killed in, you know, by by Hamas, he didn't even want to offer the word of like, God, I'm so sorry to hear that when they got him at that state fair.

01:07:45.780 He didn't want to say anything before she says it was like, you can be a human.

01:07:49.440 You can say that's terrible.

01:07:51.460 Oh, my God.

01:07:52.020 A fellow Americans.

01:07:52.900 I mean, my heart goes out to the families and leave it at that.

01:07:56.000 Anyway, go ahead, Dan.

01:07:56.620 What were you going to say?

01:07:57.720 I was just going to say, you know, here we are.

01:07:59.300 We're 30 days out.

01:08:00.560 You're looking for every vote under every rock that you can find.

01:08:04.300 J.D. Vance was picked for the Rust Belt, for rural areas.

01:08:08.160 And look at what he's doing.

01:08:09.720 If I watch that, I have more confidence that he's helping me get votes where I need them.

01:08:15.300 Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

01:08:17.300 Then J.D. Vance was yesterday.

01:08:18.680 Right.

01:08:19.180 Every day you are trying to win.

01:08:21.660 And J.D. Vance, I mean, he, in my opinion, he's made some pretty big misstatements.

01:08:26.260 He's got some problem with favorable, unfavorables with women.

01:08:29.080 But what he was picked for, he is delivering.

01:08:31.660 I mean, I can say that, you know, with a straight face.

01:08:34.320 He's been very effective.

01:08:36.520 But Tim Walls is sidelined himself as all these lies have come out.

01:08:41.440 I mean, it's like it's serial.

01:08:43.140 I think the guy's pathological.

01:08:45.000 However, there could be a savior, Mark Alperin.

01:08:47.520 There could be a savior to come in and do the work that Tim Walls is not able to do.

01:08:51.840 And that is another Democratic favorite who goes by the name Gretchen Whitmer. 1.00

01:08:56.480 Now, she happens to be the governor of Michigan.

01:08:58.980 She's very popular there.

01:09:01.260 And she was on the short list for possibilities when Joe totally willingly bowed out.

01:09:07.260 And she I don't know what this is.

01:09:11.200 Maybe you guys are going to be able to explain it to me.

01:09:13.800 But she did some sort of a little video with somebody I have never seen or heard of before.

01:09:21.520 Hold on.

01:09:22.140 My trusty notes tell me that it's an MSNBC columnist named Liz Plank involving a Dorito.

01:09:29.980 Here it is.

01:09:30.580 She's feeding the Dorito.

01:09:37.340 So there's Liz Plank.

01:09:39.040 Whitmer is wearing a Harris Walls cap.

01:09:42.480 Now, I don't understand it.

01:09:44.780 You're going to tell me what it means.

01:09:46.200 The Daily Caller says the clip is vaguely pornographic and that it also treats the Dorito as if it were the Holy Eucharist.

01:09:53.000 You don't want to read a pornographic and Holy Eucharist in the same.

01:09:58.620 You know what?

01:09:59.560 They're not wrong. 0.51

01:10:01.500 Not not if you're trying to win a presidential campaign.

01:10:03.640 You know, there are other contexts in which you just fine.

01:10:07.300 Look, politics is about emotion and it's about getting your people energized to vote, to get other people to vote, to give money, to fill social media with outrage and indignation.

01:10:19.300 And part of what the Democrats don't understand, I think, about why it's so hard to run against Donald Trump, because the Trump movement will take that video and they will get it will be a net positive, energizing, talking about it as weird, as anti-Catholic.

01:10:37.160 OK, and I can tell you that without fear of being wrong, that that video will help Donald Trump way more than it will help Kamala Harris, even though it was made by one of Kamala Harris's main supporters.

01:10:50.500 And it puts it to the sharp relief, something that the Harris campaign had taken away from the Trump campaign during her initial honeymoon.

01:11:00.480 The Trump advantage that he had over Biden of dominating social media was taken away because her team launched really well on social with energy and joy and and all the things that they were producing.

01:11:12.460 This video and the way it's been manipulated and deployed by the right is part of a resurgence of energy and creativity and social media by the Trump forces that I think is restored to some extent.

01:11:27.560 It's a hard thing to measure the advantage he had there.

01:11:30.040 And don't underestimate that that that that advantage, because social media produces a lot of energy in our politics today.

01:11:37.300 Mm hmm. Yeah. As I said, Whitmer's wearing Harris Waltz hat.

01:11:42.840 I mean, obviously, this is meant to be I don't know.

01:11:45.440 I mean, Kamala Harris says she loves Doritos. So, like, I really don't even get it.

01:11:49.400 So I was kind of the worst start. That was the worst start of a sentence in the history of broadcasting.

01:11:54.360 Because you said, like, what it clearly means. No one knows what that means.

01:11:58.180 It's impossible to know what that means.

01:12:00.740 That's how I feel about everything Kamala Harris does. I never understand.

01:12:04.200 She said she's going to make me, but then she doesn't. I put this in the same category as I put the Vogue magazine spread, Sean, that just came out, giving her sort of the Michelle Obama treatment or Jill Biden treatment where they try to make her into a superstar spokesmodel.

01:12:24.560 Now, first of all, this is like this is as airbrushed as a Joan Rivers appearance on any magazine or TV.

01:12:33.340 This is that Kamala Harris looks thirty nine instead of fifty nine here. 1.00

01:12:37.660 I will submit as the sole woman on this show today.

01:12:41.840 That was a mistake. You want her to have gravitas. 0.99

01:12:45.260 She's running for a very important job and is the first potential female president. 1.00

01:12:48.680 Just let her have the lines. Fucking Vogue. Let her have the lines. 1.00

01:12:52.820 The lines are not a problem you have to erase for women who are serious and asking for a serious job.

01:12:58.680 She wants to be in command of our Navy SEALs. 1.00

01:13:01.500 So stop with the airbrushing. It's annoying to me.

01:13:05.480 And what just like on a separate tear, what message is to send to little girls?

01:13:09.960 You can you can become president just as long as you don't age. 1.00

01:13:13.420 OK, you can't age because as a woman, you have to be both hot and credible like a fuck off, Vogue. 1.00

01:13:20.800 And this is Anna Wintour who judges us all by our stupid fashion. 1.00

01:13:24.560 And honestly, like right now, she's launching the Met Gala theme right now. 0.99

01:13:28.100 Guess what it is? Black men and dandyism. 1.00

01:13:31.160 What is that? I don't like it was somebody tweeted out. 0.99

01:13:34.400 It's a great way to get a bunch of out of touch celebrities canceled in one fell swoop.

01:13:39.780 True. Anyway, it's annoying.

01:13:41.400 So she she does the Vogue thing, Sean, and the Vogue reporter. 0.65

01:13:45.840 I mean, it like it'll make you throw up a little in your mouth.

01:13:49.980 The headline is the candidate for our times.

01:13:54.360 OK, here's just a little. Here's here's a little bit.

01:13:58.460 OK, stand by. There's so much to choose from.

01:14:02.460 I ask her what her first call would be on reaching the Oval Office.

01:14:04.960 One of my first calls outside of family will be to the team that is working with me on our plan to lower costs for the American people.

01:14:15.320 What does that mean? Who's on that team?

01:14:17.980 How are they going to do that? That's exciting.

01:14:19.460 Great. That's something people will talk about over the kitchen kitchen table tonight.

01:14:22.720 Then he goes on to write. And by the way, the writer's name is Nathan Heller.

01:14:28.960 When Biden's announcement caused that pulse to drop a beat, the world looked to Harris with hopes and doubts now at her dining room table with pizza boxes, a trusted, unbathed staff and a phone.

01:14:41.240 She was being called on to do something unprecedented in American history to mount and win a presidential race in three months as a woman of color with a felonious former leader as the opposition and the future of democracy said to be at stake. 0.99

01:14:59.200 Your thoughts, Sean.

01:15:01.880 Two things. One, she's largely kept gender and race out of this, and I think which was a positive thing for her campaign. 0.98

01:15:08.440 Which I think was smart because the idea was let it stand. Everyone knows you're a woman. Everyone knows you're of color. 1.00

01:15:14.120 So unlike Hillary Clinton, you don't have to make it a big deal.

01:15:17.900 It's obvious to those people who it matters to those qualities that you have.

01:15:22.620 But second of all, this goes back to this media blitz that we talked about earlier, right?

01:15:26.720 You're supposed to be doing things that move the needle forward, and I'm not sure what this got you.

01:15:31.040 I mean, I think it might have been a vanity play like, hey, we got you a Vogue cover spread, and it was like, awesome, let's go do it.

01:15:37.040 I don't think that this helps you.

01:15:39.520 In fact, to your point, you read these quotes, it probably turns off more people than it helped.

01:15:43.580 The photo spread probably wasn't the strongest to bring people over.

01:15:48.180 It doesn't have that quality of strength, Commander-in-Chief, that you are referring to.

01:15:52.280 Again, I go back to what are you trying to do?

01:15:55.080 And I think that sometimes people get enamored with being on a particular show or doing something as opposed to thinking, does this actually help me strategically get to where I'm going?

01:16:07.500 It's more of a tactic than a strategy.

01:16:09.980 And I think that's what this happened.

01:16:11.180 But it's like going on The View.

01:16:12.340 If you actually move backwards after you do The View and you're a Democratic woman, that says a lot about your strategy. 0.82

01:16:19.340 I mean, aren't we trying to get Black and Latino men? 0.67

01:16:23.140 Is this the way?

01:16:24.220 Like, I don't know.

01:16:25.300 Go on GQ.

01:16:26.360 Go on Sports Illustrated.

01:16:27.720 Go someplace where men go, which is not Vogue.

01:16:30.360 I don't get it, Dan.

01:16:32.720 Yeah, I'm not sure either.

01:16:34.920 I mean, Sean is our resident Vogue expert on the morning meeting, so I think he said it pretty well.

01:16:39.920 But to your point, at this stage in the game, I mean, I think it's become a tradition.

01:16:45.860 Maybe Doug Emhoff should have been on here, as Michelle Obama and Joe Biden was.

01:16:51.960 But, you know, I think it doesn't do any harm, probably, but it certainly doesn't probably help you either.

01:16:57.900 And you need to be doing everything you can at this point to be on offense.

01:17:02.180 But just suppose that with the clip that you played with J.D., right?

01:17:06.040 That he's out there kind of having fun, showing the personal side of himself.

01:17:10.620 That's what I mean.

01:17:11.720 Look, I'm not looking to give them any advice right now, but if I were them, I'd be doing more of that.

01:17:16.200 The personal stuff where you're walking, talking, doing something.

01:17:19.060 But it's even the call her daddy thing.

01:17:20.800 It was in these two chairs, and it looks stiff and rehearsed.

01:17:24.160 She wasn't at ease.

01:17:25.560 Find some environments where she actually looks like she's relaxed and relatable, as opposed to these stiff.

01:17:31.780 Like Planned Parenthood.

01:17:32.340 Yeah, there you go.

01:17:33.880 She can go into one of those. 0.97

01:17:35.460 She's comfortable there.

01:17:36.240 Honestly, like Colbert tried to do that.

01:17:38.720 She tried to do that with Colbert with the beer. 0.94

01:17:40.680 It felt very uncomfortable and awkward.

01:17:43.080 Very Elizabeth Warren.

01:17:45.660 Again, if she loses and people start to deconstruct.

01:17:49.960 One of the things Donald Trump makes him so formidable as a candidate is he safeguards his brand.

01:17:55.560 He knows exactly what the positive elements of this brand are.

01:17:58.360 And he cultivates public appearances that allow him to put that brand in sharp relief.

01:18:05.300 Her brand's protection.

01:18:06.860 Oh, sorry.

01:18:07.180 I thought you were done.

01:18:07.900 Keep going.

01:18:08.620 Well, go back to the CNN interview on the bus with Walls and how poorly that was staged.

01:18:14.080 Donald Trump would never have let that happen.

01:18:16.120 And in the things she's done this week, the Vogue thing, obviously, was in the works.

01:18:19.660 But all these things, you ask yourself, what are the elements of her brand that she's trying to get across by being on the cover of Vogue?

01:18:26.600 I don't know what that is.

01:18:28.700 If you're trying to be a good steward of a good economy and commander in chief, what is it about that that reinforces what she wants to say, a better brand?

01:18:39.120 I want to talk about the horse race and also the Senate, because I heard you guys.

01:18:45.480 I heard you guys interviewing.

01:18:46.380 Forgive me.

01:18:46.660 I don't remember her name.

01:18:47.440 But she had worked for RFKJ's.

01:18:50.560 Oh, no, she had worked for Vivek's campaign.

01:18:54.240 Lauren, was that her name?

01:18:55.720 Blonde.

01:18:56.480 Trisha.

01:18:56.880 Trisha.

01:18:57.940 Anyway, she was saying she thinks the Republicans are going to lose that seat in the Nebraska Senate race, which was like, what?

01:19:06.540 But I realize in Nebraska right now it's between a Republican and an Independent, and the Independent is appealing.

01:19:15.340 Like, he's got a military background and he seems more like a man's man, not so much like what we saw in that ad we ran earlier.

01:19:22.940 So I don't know.

01:19:24.860 Like, I do want to talk about the Senate.

01:19:26.860 I guess we might as well just do it now, and then I want to get to Trump and his Detroit comments.

01:19:29.960 But who would like to take on what's going to happen in the U.S. Senate, which gets less attention than it deserves in all these discussions?

01:19:38.320 Mark, you want to leave?

01:19:39.220 Well, it's certainly the case that if you're going to Ladbrokes and putting down a fiver, you bet on Republicans taking control.

01:19:47.640 They're still defending way more seats, even if you make the map as broad as possible and say all the seats that could be in play.

01:19:54.560 There are three that could be in play for the Republicans, Texas and Florida and Nebraska.

01:20:01.320 But if you were going to bet, you'd bet that Republicans will put enough money in them to protect them.

01:20:06.460 There are three incumbents, and parties will spend anything they need to spend to protect incumbents.

01:20:11.900 I wouldn't be surprised if one of them lost.

01:20:14.160 I'd be surprised if two or more lost.

01:20:16.780 And then on the other side, Democrats are going to lose one seat in West Virginia,

01:20:19.600 and Republicans still have legitimate pickup opportunities where the field has expanded now,

01:20:25.560 where Wisconsin joins Michigan, Ohio, Montana, Pennsylvania, Arizona, potentially, and Nevada,

01:20:37.520 all of which are potential pickups, even in Arizona.

01:20:41.940 I think people are writing that off too soon.

01:20:44.680 Really?

01:20:45.380 I'm sorry, and then Maryland.

01:20:46.940 So if you look at, Democrats would have to hold every one or all but one if Harris wins to keep control of the Senate.

01:20:55.740 It's very unlikely.

01:20:57.100 I'd put Democrats' chances of having the Senate majority right now at about 10%,

01:21:01.300 and that's higher than a lot of people would put it.

01:21:04.640 Do you guys agree with that, Dan?

01:21:05.920 That's about 9%.

01:21:06.680 That's about 9% higher than I would give it.

01:21:09.560 Look, I think Mark's right.

01:21:10.800 The West Virginia seat's a given, right?

01:21:12.540 So you've got Joe Manchin retiring, Jim Justice, the current Republican governor, running.

01:21:17.260 That's a gimme.

01:21:18.740 Everyone admits that.

01:21:19.680 That puts Republicans at 50-50.

01:21:21.800 Montana, you have Tim Sheehy leading the current Democratic incumbent there.

01:21:25.820 John Tester, that's a pickup for us.

01:21:28.040 Then Ohio would probably be next on the list, where Bernie Morano's challenging the long-term incumbent,

01:21:32.860 Sherrod Brown.

01:21:33.580 I think that's, again, another pickup for us.

01:21:35.480 That gives us 52.

01:21:36.340 I don't necessarily think the Sun Belt, to me, Nevada and Arizona are high on the list,

01:21:42.780 but I would go Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania.

01:21:48.280 Mike Rogers, to me, is the sleeper race of the cycle in Michigan, taking on Alyssa Slotkin,

01:21:53.600 a current congresswoman there.

01:21:54.960 I feel like Michigan's moving in our direction for all the aforementioned reasons that we talked

01:21:59.620 about why it's in play for the presidential race, and the trend looks great for Mike Rogers.

01:22:04.160 And then Eric Hovde versus Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin.

01:22:07.280 I think, again, this is a very, very difficult race, but if you look at where Wisconsin has

01:22:12.820 been the last few cycles, not just presidentially, but in 22 as well, it seems to have a really

01:22:18.700 nice tailwind for Republicans in the last few weeks, and it's performing like it has the

01:22:24.040 past couple cycles.

01:22:25.360 So I think that Eric Hovde actually has a really good shot of overtaking Tammy Baldwin.

01:22:29.100 If you take all three of those without even including Arizona and Nevada, that puts Republicans

01:22:34.160 at a 55-seat majority.

01:22:36.480 Or not including Maryland either.

01:22:38.980 Right.

01:22:39.300 Look, I put Maryland below Arizona, and look, will I be surprised if Larry Hogan beats Angela

01:22:47.840 also Brooks?

01:22:48.680 Not entirely, but that would, I mean, we'd have to have a spectacular night.

01:22:52.680 Here's my tell, Megan.

01:22:53.720 If you're watching on election night, Virginia polls, where I live, close at 7 o'clock.

01:22:57.980 At 9 o'clock, if we're holding our own in Loudoun and Prince William, Northern Virginia,

01:23:02.340 and it looks tight, Republicans are going to have a really good night.

01:23:05.020 If we're getting, if we're losing by over, you know, if Loudoun and Prince William are

01:23:08.720 coming in 56, 57 percent for Democrats, I think we'll have an okay night.

01:23:15.020 Go ahead, Dan.

01:23:16.940 Yeah, Megan, part of the reason there's so much chatter this week about Kamala Harris being 0.91

01:23:22.260 in trouble is it is the Senate candidates in the Rust Belt that are beginning to leak

01:23:27.800 and go public and are talking to reporters because they're laying blame, right?

01:23:32.440 It's not Elyse Slotkin's fault.

01:23:34.140 It's not Bob Casey's fault.

01:23:35.860 There is an anchor on our, you know, ankles that is pulling us down that is Kamala Harris. 1.00

01:23:41.560 And so you saw in the Wall Street Journal this week, Tammy Baldwin's staff leaked that they 0.99

01:23:46.240 have Kamala Harris down three points in Wisconsin, the trend lines in those Midwestern Senate 1.00

01:23:51.480 competitions are making Democrats very, very nervous.

01:23:55.720 And that is why you're starting to see more and more chatter because they're going public

01:24:00.500 that it's kind of not us, it's her.

01:24:03.420 Yeah, well, that would explain.

01:24:04.920 I heard you guys talking about, like, why would these candidates in Michigan be releasing

01:24:09.740 the news that Kamala Harris is three points down in Michigan?

01:24:12.900 Like, how does that help?

01:24:13.760 It only depresses people about on the Democratic side, and it's to save themselves, like a

01:24:17.980 siren call.

01:24:18.840 Help me.

01:24:19.600 Just want to tell the audience that next week we're going to have on three of the guys you

01:24:23.080 mentioned, Sheehy in Montana, McCormick.

01:24:26.020 Oh, this month.

01:24:27.060 Sheehy in Montana, McCormick in Pennsylvania, and Moreno in Ohio.

01:24:30.400 So that'll be that'll be interesting to talk to those guys.

01:24:33.200 I mean, they they could be our next GOP Senate, you know, Senate senators who make all the difference

01:24:40.040 if the Republicans manage to defend enough seats, which you're telling me the odds are

01:24:44.860 that they will.

01:24:46.620 OK, so Michigan's a big state.

01:24:49.160 We talked about Gretchen Whitmer and her weird pornographic Eucharist Dorito thing.

01:24:54.640 Trump went to Michigan.

01:24:55.920 And, you know, like so much with Trump, you're like, why?

01:24:59.100 Why?

01:24:59.980 Like when he was ripping on Governor Kemp in Georgia, like why? 0.96

01:25:04.100 But, you know, with Trump, it's like it's a fool's errand to ask that question.

01:25:10.840 He's doing better in Michigan. 0.80

01:25:13.100 He's doing better than he was like a month ago.

01:25:15.740 And then he makes these comments yesterday that rip on Detroit in Detroit.

01:25:22.180 It would be bad anywhere, I think.

01:25:24.280 But he did it in Detroit to a bunch of people who are from Detroit.

01:25:26.980 And here's what happened.

01:25:29.140 Interest on car loans, fully deductible.

01:25:35.340 Where did you come up with that idea?

01:25:37.420 That's the coolest thing.

01:25:39.220 It's like the paperclip again, right?

01:25:41.460 It's like the paperclip.

01:25:43.260 Somebody comes up with the paperclip and everybody says, why the hell didn't I think of that, right?

01:25:48.320 He said, you know, I've been in the car industry all my life.

01:25:51.560 I've never thought about that.

01:25:53.760 So we're going to make it fully deductible, the interest payments.

01:25:57.240 That's going to revolutionize your industry.

01:26:00.140 This is a phenomenal thing.

01:26:02.580 If I do say so myself.

01:26:03.740 I don't think anything that we're talking about today is high on her list.

01:26:07.820 The whole country is going to be like, you want to know the truth?

01:26:10.980 It'll be like Detroit.

01:26:12.140 Our whole country will end up being like Detroit if she's your president. 1.00

01:26:15.640 You're going to have a mess on your hands.

01:26:17.200 She destroyed San Francisco.

01:26:18.780 She destroyed, along with Newscom, California.

01:26:23.280 And we're not going to let her do that to this country.

01:26:26.680 We're not going to let it happen.

01:26:30.720 Sean, would you care to take that one?

01:26:33.800 Unfortunately, we're out of time.

01:26:35.280 I'll see you on the next.

01:26:38.760 Oh, I mean, hey, it's Donald Trump.

01:26:41.280 I, I, I.

01:26:43.060 Anyway, I don't.

01:26:45.620 Mark, over to you.

01:26:46.740 I think I think you're too quick to say that this is that this is politically bad.

01:26:51.040 We've seen time and again.

01:26:52.360 I'm asking.

01:26:52.840 I'm asking the question.

01:26:54.700 OK, so you live in Detroit or how about the Detroit suburbs?

01:26:58.900 Do you have more pride in your city or do you also have concern that the city under Democratic rule has not done particularly well?

01:27:06.380 A lot of areas.

01:27:07.800 So let me just let me ask you this question and then I'll let you finish.

01:27:11.180 Do you know people from Detroit?

01:27:12.580 I know a lot of people from Detroit.

01:27:14.060 Yeah, I do.

01:27:15.080 I can love their city.

01:27:16.360 They love Detroit.

01:27:17.900 Love it.

01:27:18.440 You go, you stay in any hotel in Detroit and you'll get a bathrobe that reads Detroit on the back, like a rocky road.

01:27:25.400 And you love they love, love, love their city.

01:27:27.160 Go ahead.

01:27:28.160 Yeah.

01:27:28.540 And downtown has come back.

01:27:30.340 Look, I love New York where I live.

01:27:32.500 But if a politician said New York is a mess, I'd say, yeah, it is.

01:27:37.420 The subway is a mess.

01:27:38.900 You know, quality of life issues.

01:27:40.540 So Detroit has come back.

01:27:42.120 It's great.

01:27:42.860 I agree with you that there's a lot of pride.

01:27:44.440 But I think a lot of people, both in the city and in the suburbs, are not necessarily going to react negatively to that because they could see room for improvement in the schools, in housing, in jobs, in transportation.

01:27:56.100 It's not it's not thriving in every possible way.

01:27:59.320 And I think most voters, it's the kind of thing that gets discussed by elites.

01:28:04.220 But I don't think most voters are going to be indignant that Donald Trump said something.

01:28:08.480 Donald Trump says a lot of stuff.

01:28:09.880 So I may be wrong.

01:28:11.140 Maybe it'll cost him Detroit.

01:28:12.320 Maybe it'll cost him Michigan.

01:28:13.340 Well, not people that are going to vote.

01:28:14.420 I just don't think it's negative necessarily.

01:28:17.040 Yeah.

01:28:17.180 I mean, the people who are voting for Donald Trump aren't the kind of folks.

01:28:20.280 I think Mark's right.

01:28:21.340 I mean, the people who are voting for him or could be persuaded are like, I'm glad you're pointing out problems.

01:28:25.460 Right.

01:28:26.020 So I don't think many of the people who probably are excited about what's happening in Detroit were going to vote for Trump in the first place.

01:28:33.360 I mean, I would say I always say this to the audience, Dan, that if there's one thing Trump's good at, it's marketing.

01:28:39.760 He's good at marketing and messaging.

01:28:41.640 So I always feel like I'm on unsteady ground when I question his approach to these things, because I actually happen to believe that him raising the race issue with Kamala was clever.

01:28:52.940 I think he actually was appealing to a certain segment of voters, including black men who seem to agree with him, at least in enough measure that it could make some difference for him.

01:29:03.000 And of course, you know, getting any sort of coverage from the media, even the shocked coverage keeps him in the headlines.

01:29:09.620 But what's your take on it?

01:29:11.640 Yeah, I mean, look, I agree with you.

01:29:12.760 He is a brilliant marketer.

01:29:14.120 I grew up, you know, right outside the city in the 80s.

01:29:16.360 He is the best at getting in the headlines and dominating a story.

01:29:19.420 I agree. I'll disagree with everyone.

01:29:21.500 And Megan, maybe maybe you were going there.

01:29:23.280 I don't think that was helpful to him.

01:29:25.540 I also think when he says, like, the only way that this city will be great again is if I'm elected.

01:29:31.020 Like, so it was terrible.

01:29:32.480 And then on January, you know, January 20th, it's great.

01:29:35.060 And then when I leave office after four years, it'll again be terrible.

01:29:37.540 Like, I think when he does that, it doesn't help him.

01:29:41.280 The one thing we know with undecideds is his personality and some of his conduct does rub them the wrong way.

01:29:47.880 And I don't think this necessarily helps him.

01:29:50.640 Let me let me explain my point one more way.

01:29:53.380 OK, and this goes, Megan, to what you said about his raising her race.

01:29:58.140 Donald Trump is the master of deciding what people are going to talk about.

01:30:02.740 And if people are talking, running up to the election about are our cities as great as they can be or is there too much crime and our schools bad, et cetera, that's good for him.

01:30:14.820 Now, I don't know that he thought it through that way, but but he does have just kind of a sixth sense about this stuff.

01:30:19.480 Now, he was president for four years and the cities didn't improve.

01:30:22.760 So I think that's a very fair point for the Democrats to make.

01:30:25.900 But if if the goal is to have the last few days of the campaign be about immigration and be about the economy and to be about, you know, people's concern about the cities, that's good terrain for Donald Trump.

01:30:40.540 They're eating the dogs like that. 0.99

01:30:43.120 It's stuck in your head.

01:30:44.500 Yeah. Immigration.

01:30:45.640 We talked about immigration for a week.

01:30:47.780 That's right.

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01:30:49.820 Thank you.

01:30:50.300 It's a pleasure.

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01:32:09.920 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:32:11.420 Okay, before we go, I've got to get to a couple stories.

01:32:13.720 Number one, Joe Scarborough apparently has a sit-down with second gentleman, quote unquote, Doug Emhoff.

01:32:20.740 And it's going to air on Monday.

01:32:23.460 All we've seen so far is the tease.

01:32:26.960 First, in this tease, it's only two minutes long.

01:32:28.940 I'm going to show you two parts of it.

01:32:30.280 First, he asks M-Hoff about the debate and whether Trump should debate more.

01:32:36.600 Just watch.

01:32:38.640 Wait, what do you think Donald Trump won't debate her again?

01:32:41.460 Well, you saw the first debate, didn't you?

01:32:43.100 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:44.160 Yeah, that's why. 1.00

01:32:45.920 And his ass kicked. 1.00

01:32:47.260 And so he's afraid that that's going to happen again. 0.99

01:32:49.340 He's spreading it about you, saying that tabloid stories about your personal life, saying it should be front and center.

01:33:00.040 He's saying it about your wife and making incredibly crude and lewd suggestions about her past life.

01:33:12.020 I'm just curious.

01:33:12.960 I know I seem like a very zen, mindful person, but I think I'd be pissed off.

01:33:20.100 And I'm just wondering, how do you all stay centered?

01:33:26.260 How do you stay disciplined and not really go off and not really push back hard at these things?

01:33:32.880 We don't have time to be pissed off.

01:33:35.460 We don't have time to focus on it.

01:33:36.860 It's all a distraction.

01:33:38.300 It's designed to try to get us off our game.

01:33:40.740 Does it get you off your game?

01:33:41.680 No.

01:33:42.380 All we are doing, all we talk about is this election.

01:33:46.120 We understand the stakes.

01:33:47.740 We understand the responsibility.

01:33:49.660 What are the stakes?

01:33:50.940 What are the stakes?

01:33:51.460 Our very country, our future.

01:33:54.240 What kind of future are we going to have?

01:33:55.780 There's so much in there.

01:33:59.540 That is an infuriating piece of tape.

01:34:03.120 First, he sets himself up like, I got Kamala's back. 1.00

01:34:08.260 Yeah, she kicked his ass. 1.00

01:34:10.440 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:11.020 Oh, you're so supportive of your wife.

01:34:12.920 You're such a wife guy, as Jen Psaki said. 0.98

01:34:15.620 And of course, that's exactly what Joe Scarborough wanted to hear.

01:34:20.120 And then they go into, you know, these tabloids, these evil tabloids who are reporting things

01:34:28.940 about you.

01:34:29.560 I mean, and I'm like, great.

01:34:31.620 We're actually, we might get something on the record from this candidate telling us whether

01:34:36.820 he denies the report, that he abused a former partner of his, that he openly smacked her in

01:34:44.820 public so hard in 2012 that she was spun around and fled to get away from him, only to have him

01:34:52.100 then force himself into her taxi cab.

01:34:54.800 And she was scared enough she had to call a male friend back in New York to be on the phone with

01:34:58.880 her in his presence because she did not know what he was capable of.

01:35:02.220 The guy's got a hair trigger, reports the Daily Mail.

01:35:06.640 So great.

01:35:07.500 Let's get a denial.

01:35:08.540 Let's get a comment.

01:35:09.360 Let's do something and make some news.

01:35:10.760 And instead, the landing Scarborough chooses is, I'd be pissed off. 0.99

01:35:18.700 How do you stay centered and not go off when you, he doesn't give a shit. 1.00

01:35:27.160 Joe Scarborough knows perfectly well, this guy might be a woman abuser and he doesn't care 1.00

01:35:34.220 at all.

01:35:36.460 Why is that?

01:35:38.500 Why is that?

01:35:41.260 Honestly, it's a, it's an honest question because he's a hack.

01:35:45.060 Sure.

01:35:45.560 That could be it because he's got his own questionable past that he, he just rushes to the defense

01:35:51.860 of any man accused.

01:35:52.880 Is that what's happening there?

01:35:54.400 I don't know what happened with him and the intern who died in his office.

01:35:59.660 His story is, it was tragic.

01:36:02.280 She was young.

01:36:03.580 It has no reflection on him.

01:36:05.200 It was a tragedy.

01:36:05.880 And that's that, that's what the fact checkers say as well.

01:36:08.060 But you tell me why Joe Scarborough, when given the first big opportunity, yes, there

01:36:13.500 was the infuriating Tim Miller podcast that he did on the bulwark, but who the hell expects

01:36:18.760 anything out of Tim Miller?

01:36:20.260 Joe Scarborough works for a major news organization.

01:36:23.460 How dare you not ask him?

01:36:25.540 You better have damn well asked him. 0.88

01:36:27.520 When we air this interview, we see this on Monday, God, you better have effing asked him 0.90

01:36:33.900 the question.

01:36:35.600 And Mika Brzezinski, how about you?

01:36:39.220 If he doesn't, will you call him out?

01:36:41.800 Will you say American women are owed an answer about whether we're about to elevate an abuser

01:36:47.860 of women into the Oval as the first gentleman? 0.61

01:36:51.800 Are you going to go and smile gladly with this guy at the Easter egg hunt and pretend this

01:36:57.940 isn't really a question about what he's like behind closed doors, potentially with our commander

01:37:02.060 in chief?

01:37:03.180 Because I'd really like to know.

01:37:04.640 It's outrageous the way he asked that question.

01:37:08.220 I'm just going by what MSNBC put out.

01:37:11.220 I don't, I don't know what the full exchange is.

01:37:13.800 I'm guessing that's it.

01:37:15.340 I'm guessing if he were tougher on Doug Emhoff in the phrasing of that question, we would

01:37:20.660 have seen it in the tease.

01:37:21.940 It's not there.

01:37:22.780 And he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

01:37:24.820 What I've seen so far is disgusting. 0.96

01:37:27.620 F you for not caring. 0.92

01:37:29.400 And I have standing to raise this objection.

01:37:33.540 I have questioned people on both sides, Republican and Democrat, about problematic histories with

01:37:40.080 women and the abuse of women. 1.00

01:37:42.520 I don't, you know, I understand and I have for a long time that many on the Republican

01:37:48.660 side don't even like these questions and that their knee jerk action is to defend guys 0.69

01:37:54.420 against these.

01:37:55.200 I'm not like that.

01:37:56.980 And I have a history that proves it.

01:37:59.340 What about you, Joe Scarborough?

01:38:00.620 It's your side that says, believe all women.

01:38:03.560 You, you and Kamala Harris have said that.

01:38:07.680 So let's do that.

01:38:10.560 Let's believe the Doug Emhoff accuser.

01:38:13.400 And when you sit down with him, you ask him about it.

01:38:17.180 You know who did at one point understand that principle?

01:38:19.840 Your wife.

01:38:21.160 Because she got a bite at Joe Biden after Tara Reid came forward against him. 0.96

01:38:27.120 Guess who interviewed her? 0.82

01:38:28.380 Me.

01:38:29.460 Guess who interviewed the Trump accusers?

01:38:31.300 Me.

01:38:31.600 And you have access to the actual man being accused. 1.00

01:38:37.180 Ask him about the damn allegation. 0.98

01:38:40.520 At least in the cases I was dealing with, it was, it was in the distant past. 0.99

01:38:47.420 Joe Biden and Tara Reid were decades ago.

01:38:50.420 Fine.

01:38:50.620 It doesn't make it any better.

01:38:51.600 But I'm just saying this was 2012.

01:38:54.120 This was the relationship right before Kamala.

01:38:57.800 And you don't ask him about whether he abuses women. 0.53

01:39:02.060 Shame on you.

01:39:03.120 Where are the women at MSNBC? 1.00

01:39:05.320 Where, where's their outrage?

01:39:06.960 Get in there.

01:39:08.480 Stand up.

01:39:09.960 Say something.

01:39:11.480 They're melting down at CBS because they did a tough interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates,

01:39:15.980 who wrote a book about how terrible Israel is.

01:39:18.940 That, that led to an all hands on deck meltdown with the top executives weighing in.

01:39:24.900 Where are the women of MSNBC saying these are serious allegations? 1.00

01:39:28.680 Three independent witnesses say that they support her.

01:39:31.540 He so far has only given a bland denial through a campaign spokesperson.

01:39:36.580 Ask if you really care about women and how much you purport to.

01:39:42.800 Okay.

01:39:44.160 It's infuriating.

01:39:45.340 It's just such an example of the media bias and what Trump's up against.

01:39:48.420 You don't think they'd ask if Melania Trump had some alleged history of abusing people, 1.00

01:39:53.720 physically abusing people.

01:39:54.800 You don't think they'd, they'd ask her.

01:39:57.200 They'd want to make that a story.

01:40:00.160 All right.

01:40:01.760 And speaking of MSNBC and Mika Brzezinski.

01:40:06.200 So she's out there this morning.

01:40:08.960 And the latest desperation tactic is to try to paint Trump as a completely infirm 78 year old man.

01:40:17.200 He makes no sense.

01:40:19.260 Look at him.

01:40:20.300 Who could possibly know what he's talking about? 1.00

01:40:22.860 He's a moron. 1.00

01:40:23.900 He's basically Joe Biden. 1.00

01:40:25.360 Now, now that Joe Biden's gone, age is a very serious issue to those on the left.

01:40:30.260 They're very concerned about mental acuity and whether we are accurately reporting on warning signs.

01:40:36.640 Please, please, please.

01:40:39.480 So Morning Joe tees up this bit that Trump did while in Detroit yesterday and paints him as this downright daffy, incomprehensible man.

01:40:50.820 Who could know what he's talking about?

01:40:52.740 Here's first the bit of the soundbite of Trump that they played.

01:40:58.580 I saw engines about three, four years ago.

01:41:01.500 These things were coming cylinders, no wings, no nothing.

01:41:05.040 And they're coming down very slowly, landing on a raft in the middle of the ocean someplace with a circle.

01:41:10.920 Boom.

01:41:12.220 Reminded me of the Biden circles that he used to have, right?

01:41:16.780 He'd have eight circles and he couldn't fill them up.

01:41:19.100 But then I heard he beat us with the popular vote.

01:41:24.240 Well, she was very confused or so she would like us to believe.

01:41:29.180 Here was part of her response.

01:41:32.420 Elon's rocket ships, cylinders, circles, beautiful circles.

01:41:39.020 What the hell?

01:41:40.800 But his weaves aren't brilliant. 0.95

01:41:42.800 You know what he's doing? 1.00

01:41:43.560 He's getting through the moment as an aging bullshit artist. 1.00

01:41:48.700 There's always a tinge of racism in everything he says. 1.00

01:41:52.220 Oh, he thought.

01:41:52.680 There's something wrong with people who can watch that and think the alternative, Kamala Harris,

01:41:59.940 isn't more articulate, more prepared, more experienced, more able to.

01:42:09.060 And when I say articulate, that means actually deliver a message to the American people on a certain policy.

01:42:18.140 You know she can.

01:42:20.460 If you can't believe it and this is your choice, you're lying to yourself and you're going to ruin this country.

01:42:27.100 That's your it's going to be on you. 0.98

01:42:29.680 It's going to be on you because there's no way you can watch that or any of his speeches and get anything out of it except for a hateful, racist, bigoted, tired, aging, branding. 0.98

01:42:43.240 Branding, I wouldn't say genius, branding, obsessed, narcissist. 0.98

01:42:50.400 Okay.

01:42:52.080 Tired, aging, confused. 0.87

01:42:54.740 Who the hell knows what he's talking about?

01:42:57.140 Well, anyone who's in news should know exactly what Trump was talking about. 0.51

01:43:02.320 It actually was quite clear if you've been paying any attention to the news over the past 10 years since Trump entered the national scene.

01:43:12.340 The circles he's talking about with Elon landing his rockets that happened.

01:43:17.540 It happened 20 in 2016 when Trump was president.

01:43:22.480 And it's happened since then, where Elon has landed his rockets through SpaceX in the Atlantic Ocean on these tiny little platforms.

01:43:31.920 Here's video of it.

01:43:33.160 As opposed to some rando place in the ocean, it goes down on a little target that Elon placed for it through SpaceX.

01:43:40.760 And Trump was marveling at the precision of these rockets and how they hit the little circle as opposed to just dropping anywhere in the Atlantic off of Cape Canaveral the way we used to do with our spaceships.

01:43:52.200 That's what he was obviously referring to.

01:43:54.720 And then he made a leap to other little circles that are politically relevant and how unpopular Joe Biden was.

01:44:02.920 And Trump's same old claims about how could this guy have possibly beat me?

01:44:07.080 This right here we're showing is the New York Times and a photo by Aaron Schaaf that was taken during the 2020 campaign of the circles that we saw everywhere.

01:44:16.720 We I mean, we could have pulled other photos just like this of all these Joe Biden campaign events.

01:44:21.360 Look, these are reporters at a Joe Biden event.

01:44:23.820 They were made to stand in these little circles at his campaign events, ostensibly because of covid.

01:44:30.040 But Trump is positing it's because he couldn't he couldn't get crowds there.

01:44:34.100 And so they were, you know, doing the socially distanced thing to try to make it look like they were covid adherent.

01:44:40.220 But really, he was just unpopular.

01:44:41.980 And then, of course, Trump parlayed it into and then they wanted you to believe that he beat me.

01:44:46.180 So it was actually perfectly comprehensible.

01:44:49.420 You just wanted to mislead your viewers into thinking he had a senior moment and he didn't.

01:44:55.580 It was actually very easy to follow by anyone who's not a hack.

01:44:59.580 OK, anyone who's not a hack like you, the whole thing is just. 0.92

01:45:04.860 I mean, look, I realize this morning, Joe, but the whole clip is so indicative of what you get on that channel, like the contempt for the people who will vote Trump, that you are voting for a racist misogynist. 0.92

01:45:19.860 And you deserve what you get if you vote for Donald Trump. 0.79

01:45:24.260 Well, that I agree with.

01:45:25.620 And you deserve what you get if you vote for Kamala Harris.

01:45:28.060 And you know what?

01:45:28.900 Most of us are perfectly fine with that.

01:45:32.900 Have a great weekend.

01:45:34.460 We'll see you Monday.

01:45:35.380 And if you have Monday off to celebrate Columbus Day, which is what it's still called and should remain, enjoy, have a parade and don't pay any attention to the naysayers who want to have debates about its name.

01:45:50.860 Take care and we'll talk to you then.

01:45:53.600 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:45:55.800 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

01:46:05.380 We'll see you then.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 11, 2024

Obama Tries Shaming Black Men, and Kamala Gets Vogue Treatment, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine ｜ Ep. 914

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