Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are the ultimate victims of the victimization culture, and yet they continue to play the role of the victim even though they are the most privileged people on the planet. Meghan and Harry were interviewed by Oprah Winfrey last night, and Meghan accused the royal family of lying to her about their relationship, and Harry accused the press of lying about his relationship with Meghan.
00:04:11.240They are rich beyond any of our wildest dreams, to the point that they actually didn't have to work another day in their life.
00:04:18.100If they did just want to retire from the spotlight, they could have done that.
00:04:22.040And so I found the interview disturbing in loads of ways, particularly because I don't think they have accurately presented how the royal family really treated them.
00:04:36.000And actually, Megan, I remember coming on to your show, you know, on NBC in Windsor that day when they got married.
00:04:52.040This idea that there is this toxic racism dominating the way that the British media or the British public treated Megan and Harry.
00:05:01.260Not only do I think it's untrue, I think it's offensive.
00:05:06.320It's the same as we're seeing right now at much lower levels.
00:05:10.400We're like weak common civilians, which is everything's about race.
00:05:14.640She sees everything through the prism of race.
00:05:16.140Now, we'll get to her allegation about there's a there's a raging racist within the royal family.
00:05:22.180But I mean, she dismissed the tabloids as racist just today.
00:05:26.100They released an additional clip on CBS News saying everything was different with respect to her negative coverage because of race and social media.
00:05:33.800Well, they're not the only ones to ever deal with social media, first of all.
00:05:37.620And yes, there were definitely some racist articles about Megan in the paper, as there always are some awful articles about like racism, sexism.
00:06:00.520And that narrative is just wrong because, Megan, as you pointed out at the start of the interview, I was actually covering this couple from before the royal wedding.
00:06:10.380And there wasn't anything negative published by me.
00:06:17.040And so we're sort of talking at this point about November and December 2018, when some negative stories did start to appear.
00:06:25.280And this was not because the media wanted to create a negative narrative towards Meghan Markle.
00:06:33.300It was because there were people behind the scenes within the royal family, including the principals, Meghan, which means, you know, the queen and Charles and William, who were very disturbed by Meghan's behavior.
00:06:45.300So I actually revealed that the queen herself had warned Prince Harry over Meghan's behavior before the wedding.
00:06:54.660It was her attitude following this big row over what tiara she wore ridiculously.
00:07:00.240And then in December 2018, there were the first signs of the rift between Kate and Meghan.
00:07:06.620Now, Meghan would have you believe that this was all because, you know, they were having a row over the dresses that flower girls were going to wear at the wedding.
00:07:31.340And we now know that there were recorded accusations of bullying by Jason Knauf, who was at the time the communications secretary for Prince Harry and Meghan.
00:07:43.960And he said that Meghan was bullying junior female staff members.
00:07:49.120Now, it's unfortunate, isn't it, that that allegation came out after Oprah interviewed Meghan, because I would like to know how she responded to those allegations of bullying, given that she's talking so much about being the bullied one.
00:08:16.760Her only regret was that she trusted them, that she trusted these jerks to protect her.
00:08:23.000I mean, she takes zero responsibility for anything she did.
00:08:26.880And that report about her behavior to human resources or whatever, about how she bullied the young female staffers, as you point out, that was made to over two years ago.
00:08:35.200This isn't like, oh, just knowing she's going on Oprah, somebody ran and complained about her behavior a couple of years after the fact.
00:08:42.400It happened by a very senior guy who worked for Harry and Meghan at the time who was trying to protect these young women who she was running out.
00:08:49.740And think about how bad you'd have to be if you're a young woman and you get a job working for Meghan and Harry.
00:09:43.260And so let's just back up, because I'll tell you my overall impression after watching it was there were several obvious whoppers.
00:09:51.020Like, I don't know whether she was consciously lying or just self-deluding.
00:09:56.620And if I had to put money on it, I put it on the ladder that she's one of those people who is just she's gotten to this place where she sees herself as a victim through every single lens she puts on.
00:10:05.100And therefore, when she talks about, you know, herself, she's genuinely clueless about how she sounds and how far away from reality she is.
00:10:13.520Like, her obvious lie that she didn't do any research about Harry.
00:10:56.560She wanted a famous British boyfriend following her divorce.
00:11:00.260And look, she hit the jackpot with Prince Harry.
00:11:02.360Like, I'm not saying it's not true love, but to somehow try and claim that she didn't know a thing about the royal family when she's in the UK trying to find a British man, I think, big as a thief.
00:13:05.200And she went on to say that I just didn't understand why she wouldn't just be supportive like everyone else, given what was going on with my dad, et cetera.
00:13:14.480And I have to confess, I'm thinking, bridezilla, right, where anybody comes to you and says something about the wedding, like, I don't want my kid to wear that dress.
00:13:22.540And by the way, this is going to be the future queen of England.
00:13:24.740So she does have some reasons to think about, you know, images and so on about Princess Charlotte.
00:13:29.600And she's like, why would she just be supportive of me?
00:14:01.340You tell me what you thought about the Kate-Meghan fight.
00:14:04.560And she reads none of these stories either, remember, Meghan, but she seems to know every single detail about every single story that appears in the media.
00:14:13.660But look, I think this was an example of Meghan wanting Kate to act like all of her Hollywood yes people.
00:14:21.080I mean, I know the people who surround Meghan.
00:14:23.440Meghan, they are, yes, people to the nth degree.
00:14:40.460She spent her time really developing from, you know, I hate to use this term, but, you know, it's the term that the royals use,
00:14:47.900a commoner in the UK to someone who is now a respected future queen.
00:14:52.780And I think Meghan didn't like the fact that Kate wasn't prepared to go with what she wanted at this particular dress fitting.
00:14:59.220But as I say, I think the bigger point was that Kate started to realise that Meghan was employing some of these bullying tactics with young staff members.
00:15:10.300And look, that's not how the royals behave towards their staff.
00:15:14.480Yes, it's a hierarchical system, but there's actually a lot of respect, Meghan, between the royal servants and the principals.
00:15:23.180And Meghan, who's used to dealing with Hollywood assistants and agents, just didn't understand that.
00:15:29.300And then she's talking about the hell that was living in the palace.
00:15:33.280Which we did up, by the way, Meghan, to the tune of six million bucks, the British taxpayer, to make her cottage, as they call it, it's not a cottage, it's a mansion,
00:15:46.380basically look like a branch of Soho House, you know, those very posh private members clubs in Los Angeles and New York.
00:16:39.020And I know what life was like at Frogmore Cottage for Meghan.
00:16:42.580And believe me, it's a life that the vast majority of us would want to live.
00:16:46.380So she had the queen's private chefs bringing her whatever she wanted to eat, including all of this vegan food that I'm not used to preparing at Windsor, believe me,
00:16:56.080delivered to her by silver trolley at all hours of the day.
00:17:01.440Her friends were able to come and visit her whenever she wanted.
00:17:04.220And this narrative, Meghan, that the duchess was somehow stopped from doing what she wants doesn't add up with everything that I was reporting at the time.
00:17:14.720So, for example, against the better judgment of many of her staff, Meghan decided to guest edit Vogue magazine.
00:17:23.960And it actually caused a lot of controversy because it was highly political.
00:17:27.880And she pushed the narrative of folk like Greta Thunberg, who, of course, are pushing a left-wing environmental agenda.
00:17:33.800And the royal staff members let it happen, Meghan, because they were terrified that this woman, if she didn't get what she wanted, would do exactly what she has now done.
00:17:46.740What about she saying that you're saying she could have friends come visit her at Frogmore Cottage?
00:17:51.700And just so the audience knows, just to underscore your point, it's no cottage.
00:17:54.800It's like five huge houses connected on the grounds of Kensington.
00:18:10.740She flew to New York for a baby shower organized by Serena Williams, which cost hundreds of thousands of pounds.
00:18:20.560And she then flew back on George Clooney's private jets, despite the fact that at the time she was telling all of us mere mortals that we should be cutting down our carbon footprint and no longer taking commercial flights.
00:19:25.260They're not bitching because they got a royal tour abroad where people were lauding everything they did, where every whim was taken care of.
00:19:36.240I mean, there's nothing she can't find herself the victim in.
00:19:40.120And the weird thing about that tour discussion, Meghan, to me, is that Prince Harry was suggesting that the royal family became jealous of Meghan.
00:19:53.980And again, that's just a narrative that simply doesn't ring true.
00:19:58.100Prince Charles, believe it or not, was actually quite relieved that Harry and Meghan were becoming quite big stars because he thought that it would keep Prince William and Kate in line because there are the rivalries between the different households.
00:20:24.640I mean, that's what Meghan said to herself last night.
00:20:26.940And the reality is that isn't what life is like.
00:20:30.060Actually, the reality of life, if you're Princess Anne or Sophie Wessex, you know, who's married to Prince Edward, is you're going to a community centre in Nottingham in freezing cold, snowy weather.
00:21:12.780That was her aha moment where she saw she married a prince and lost her voice.
00:21:19.860Now, may I just say, when Piers Morgan came on the show, I played a clip of my daughter, my then six-year-old daughter, before I went over to cover the royal wedding, right, saying, this is my six-year-old American daughter who said, why would someone want to marry a prince?
00:21:38.460The royal family controls everything you do.
00:22:05.320And the idea that her freedom being curtailed amounted to not being able to do a tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey, her new friend, who, by the way, she invited to the wedding having met her once.
00:22:19.520I mean, that tells you something, doesn't it?
00:22:21.100But anyway, that's not having your freedom curtailed, is it?
00:23:24.920And by the way, you know, to your point about Oprah being at the wedding, which was obviously a joke, and Gayle King, you know, here organizing her wedding shower, I mean, her baby shower here in New York, who she didn't know either, right?
00:23:37.900It's like, and now she wants to be like, oh, no, I'm not into celebrity.
00:23:40.820And then she says, I'm not into the grandeur.
00:23:42.680The grandeur of these things means nothing to me.
00:23:44.720Right. It's like, well, then why was George Clooney at your wedding when you didn't even know him?
00:28:46.420But I think it's scurrilous to throw it out there without a name.
00:28:50.440Because now you've smeared the entire royal family.
00:28:54.200Well, indeed, and I've spoken to top lawyers here today, Meghan, who say that certain members of the royal family, for example, Prince Charles and Prince William, could even have a case potentially against Meghan and Harry for making this allegation, given how small the family is.
00:29:09.500And it was very telling that Oprah, after the interview, went public and said, Harry made clear to me that I don't want anyone to think that it was the Queen or Prince Philip.
00:29:21.680So my translation from that is that he's happy for the public to believe that it could have been Prince Charles, his father, or Prince William, his brother, who said this.
00:30:10.720Well, if that's what was said, if that is what was said.
00:30:14.720But there are a lot of vagaries around this story.
00:30:18.960But, look, clearly, this was the grenade that the couple intended to let on.
00:30:25.720And in some ways, I'm quite glad that they did use a specific allegation.
00:30:33.320But I think we were lacking the detail.
00:30:36.280And, as I say, you're going to now throw every single member of the royal family under the bus for a comment that may have been made by a distant relative.
00:30:47.540And, obviously, if it was made by Prince Charles or Prince William, what you're now doing is asking the entire British media to start this guessing game, which I think is actually quite grotesque.
00:31:00.120Right. So, basically, I mean, it's obvious that they're implying it was either Charles or William.
00:31:07.100So, what they're essentially saying is the future king of England is a racist.
00:31:11.540And we don't even know which one, but one of the next two kings is a racist.
00:31:16.660And they haven't, quote, done the work, as Harry said about himself, that he tried to educate them.
00:31:22.640But they just wouldn't do the work, as Harry has.
00:31:27.400So, I don't know what we're supposed to take away from that.
00:31:31.340But my thing was, I'm sure that was a disturbing thing to hear.
00:31:39.000But I don't get why I can't talk to the media.
00:31:43.920And I don't really like taking these tours.
00:31:47.500And someone once said something racist inside the royal family makes them into these martyred victims who should garner international sympathy when we have reports of them bullying, them feeling entitled, them not wanting to do, quote, the work.
00:32:07.940That's required to be a royal, as you point out, sitting at the civic center, whatever, you know, why there's no acknowledgement that they had any hand in the deterioration of the relationship at all.
00:32:52.180And when it comes to security, the reason that was removed is because Harry and Megan made it clear that they no longer wanted to be working senior members of the royal family.
00:33:01.900So why should British taxpayers at that point pay for their security?
00:33:05.800See, the whole reason they're getting paid tens of millions of dollars is to get that security.
00:33:11.340So, first of all, so just so I understand, because I did read that, that it was like, because that was a big point she was making throughout that she was so mad that little Archie wasn't going to be a prince.
00:33:19.820And she really felt it was a personal affront to him because of the fact that he's part, he's mixed race.
00:33:41.800Because he is, he is a direct heir to the throne.
00:33:44.200But as soon as Prince Charles takes the throne, Harry and Megan have that option of making their children princesses and princesses if they choose that.
00:33:56.600But we do have lots of examples, Megan, of more minor royals in the UK.
00:34:00.340So, for example, Princess Anne and her children, like, like Zara, who have gone on to carve out a role for themselves where they are royals, but they make their own money, who choose not to take the royal title.
00:34:13.300But the idea that this was in any way because of the fact that Archie is mixed race is just delusional.
00:34:22.600I mean, why would the royal family do that to themselves?
00:34:39.560And so were their children princes and princesses?
00:34:44.520Well, they were because remember at that point, the queen was already on the throne, but Prince Charles isn't on the throne yet, Harry's father.
00:34:53.220And also remember, there's a modernization process going on.
00:34:56.320So it is absolutely fair to say that the royals do want a slim line, top, top, top list of the monarchy, right?
00:35:06.500So they actually do want less princes, princes and princesses.
00:35:11.980And this is something that Prince Andrew has been battling for a long time.
00:35:15.280And I know there's a whole other story with Prince Andrew, but for a long time, he has argued that his daughters, Princess Beatrice and Eugenie, should be official royals and should get security paid for by the British taxpayer.
00:35:27.320And Prince Charles has refused that request because there is a demand by the British public for some of these hanger-on royals to sort of live in all life, to make their own money.
00:35:38.500And you've got Harry and Meghan saying, we want to make our own money.
00:35:42.580We don't even want to live in a Commonwealth country.
00:35:46.600So you can understand why the royal family said that's fine, but you don't get the perks that come with being a royal in that case.
00:35:54.760But she was saying that they were threatening Archie wouldn't have security when she was pregnant with him before they were making the determination to step away.
00:36:02.880Yeah, and that was very strange because at that point, they did have full security.
00:36:07.760The security discussion only happened when they moved to Canada and then started talking about moving to Los Angeles.
00:36:14.920Because remember, Canada didn't want to pay for their security.
00:36:20.740So if Prince Charles, for example, goes on holiday to New Zealand or South Africa, because they're Commonwealth countries, the South African taxpayers or the New Zealand taxpayers pay for their security.
00:36:32.420And again, there was a diplomatic row.
00:36:34.880And you can understand that Canada said, well, we can't pay for Harry and Meghan's security.
00:36:40.400But as I say, this is all very bureaucratic and technical, but it's certainly nothing to do with race.
00:36:49.480What does the royal family do in response to that in particular, right?
00:36:59.120Absolutely what they wanted to do, Meghan, is not respond to this interview whatsoever.
00:37:06.240They hoped that they would be able to go on with this never complain, never explain approach.
00:37:12.660They very much said the Queen is focusing on the health of her husband, Prince Philip, who at 99 years old remains in hospital, having had a heart operation.
00:37:20.880That's an incredibly serious, difficult position that the Queen is currently in.
00:37:25.920And also, of course, the fact that this country, the UK, remains in lockdown, gripped by a pandemic which has absolutely torn up society.
00:37:34.920I mean, today in the UK is the first day that schools go back, for example, in months and months and months.
00:37:38.960So the royal family want to focus on that.
00:37:42.660I think the interview is so dynamite and there are so many bombshells.
00:37:49.640How it's done and whether it's on the record or whether it involves more off-the-record briefings, which obviously would be difficult given that's what Harry and Meghan are moaning about at this point.
00:38:01.360And so now let's get to the mental health issue, because the woman who says she didn't plan on saying anything shocking, she didn't plan on saying anything shocking, reveals that she wanted to kill herself.
00:38:15.660She wanted to commit suicide while she was pregnant with Archie.
00:38:20.060I mean, I'm sorry, but it's not adding up.
00:38:23.960Of course she knew that was going to be shocking.
00:39:03.420And just to get the audience up to speed, let's play the soundbite of her talking about this issue.
00:39:08.600Look, I was really ashamed to say it at the time, and ashamed to have to admit it to Harry, especially, because I know how much loss he suffered.
00:39:20.580But I knew that if I didn't say it, that I would do it.
00:39:27.080And I just didn't, I just didn't want to be alive anymore.
00:39:31.220And that was a very clear and real and frightening, constant thought.
00:39:44.020I went to the institution, and I said that I needed to go somewhere to get help.
00:39:49.060I said that I've never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere.
00:39:53.480And I was told that I couldn't, that it wouldn't be good for the institution.
00:40:48.040But, again, there's a couple of issues being conflated here.
00:40:50.440The first thing I would say is that mental health is incredibly important.
00:40:54.680And my heart goes out to Meghan that she was feeling that way.
00:40:57.800I'm incredibly surprised that Prince Harry said he felt shame in seeking her help at that time.
00:41:06.880Because what you've got to remember is that Harry's main charitable cause in the UK, Meghan, has been mental health.
00:41:14.660And him and Prince William ran a charity called Heads Together, which was all about people seeking help for mental health problems and taking the stigma away from seeking help for those problems.
00:41:24.820And remember, Harry himself has openly spoken about the fact that he's been in therapy to deal with his mental health issues.
00:41:36.040And even in the 80s, after that really horrific suicide attempt by Harry's mum, Princess Diana, when she threw herself down the stairs at Balmoral while she was pregnant, even then, in the 80s, the royal family acknowledged that there was enough of a mental health issue with Diana to seek medical help for her.
00:41:56.960So it's very, very shocking to me that we can be in 2018, 2019, and Meghan is unable to seek that help.
00:42:05.760And I find that really sad, really shocking, quite disturbing.
00:42:10.600I mean, she seems to be suggesting, doesn't she, that maybe she wanted to go into some form of rehab facility, perhaps?
00:42:17.460And maybe the royal family had an issue with that.
00:42:21.280But I think where the issue is being conflated is that there are two different conversations Meghan's talking about.
00:42:25.680One, with a private secretary who says, no, you can't seek help because that would be bad for the institution.
00:42:32.500The other, with the head of HR for the royal family who says, I can't assist you because you're not a staff member.
00:42:40.400Now, clearly, I would say both of those responses are highly unsatisfactory.
00:42:45.760And there are real questions for the royal family here.
00:43:27.560They have this baby who they adore, you know, a couple of months later.
00:43:30.920She's ever her every need is taken care of.
00:43:32.840She does not have the freedom she wants, which was predictable.
00:43:35.220That must have been frustrating and certain very negative things were being said about her in the press.
00:43:40.760How does that how does the princess smiling in the white gown we saw a year earlier get to the point of that level of despair over those facts?
00:44:19.840I know she said she'd stop from doing that, but I'm not she's not imprisoned.
00:44:23.800And I think the situation with Diana is completely different because Diana, remember, was an 18 year old virgin when she married into the royal family and she had mental health issues from the start.
00:44:37.720She had bulimia and also it was it was an unenlightened time.
00:44:42.640So you've got your own husband, a mental health campaigner telling the British public, you've got to seek help.
00:44:49.440You've got to talk to people if you have mental health issues.
00:44:52.820I find it very sad and very shocking that he still felt shame in talking to his own family about the mental health problems that his wife was going through.
00:45:02.460So I agree there are lots of unanswered questions, but, you know, they look, people are adults.
00:45:10.380You've got to make your own decisions as to what's best for you.
00:45:14.360And I would say the best thing that Prince Harry could have done at that point is said, who gives a damn what these courtiers are saying to us?
00:45:23.880I'll drive you myself to the primary and check you in there if I have to, because your mental health is more important than these men in grey suits, as they call them.
00:45:34.880So, Megan, I think there's more to the story personally and in terms of my own reportage.
00:45:40.440I want to hear from the staff members at Buckingham Palace, the courtiers, the head of HR.
00:45:46.460Let's get a proper investigation going into this.
00:45:48.560If they're investigating Megan bullying staff, I absolutely agree with the fans of Megan who say they should also investigate the HR processes around why Megan was apparently refused help for her mental health condition.
00:46:02.760Mm hmm. Well, I mean, that's another like one of my frustrations with Oprah was I wanted more specifics and it was it was a very nice interview.
00:46:10.200Overall, I thought she did a great job. But as a lawyer, I just wanted more specifics.
00:46:14.900Who who said that to you? Who said they couldn't help you?
00:46:18.520Who else did you go to? Name names. Who was it that was jealous of you after Australia?
00:46:22.180Who was it Kate? Is that what you're William? Is that what you're suggesting?
00:46:25.160Tell me like just some more pressing on specifics would have made her story seem more credible, frankly.
00:46:32.020I mean, that's really why you push for specifics.
00:46:34.600Yeah, but but that that wasn't there now.
00:46:38.400So she she she launches sort of the mental health bomb.
00:46:42.620And then today there was there was an additional soundbite released on CBS this morning about whether Harry's ever really ever received an apology from his family for not defending them.
00:47:09.600And if a member of his family will comfortably say we've all had to deal with things that are rude, rude and racist are not the same.
00:47:16.060You mentioned earlier, Harry, that you were hurt by the fact that there's been no acknowledgement on the part of your family that this was different because of race.
00:47:31.820And would that make a difference to you?
00:47:33.720Yeah, it would make a huge difference.
00:47:35.800The thing is, to me, that's belittling what Kate may have gone through.
00:47:40.640And I think this was meant to be Megan's truth and her story.
00:47:44.740But I think to belittling what other members of the royal family may have gone through is unfair.
00:47:48.720I come back again to this claim, this outrageous claim that any of this was racist, Megan.
00:47:56.700And all I would say is go back to the 80s and the early 90s and look at the treatment that Fergie, you know, Prince Andrew's wife went through, the Duchess of Pork and lots of horrible comments about her weight.
00:48:09.920Princess Diana, who got her own rough ride, look, there is clearly an issue with outsiders, female outsiders who enter the royal family.
00:48:22.660I'm sorry, I do not sign up to the suggestion that it has anything to do with the fact that Megan is mixed race.
00:48:30.520Because if it did, why would the entire country have stopped and celebrated her wedding?
00:48:37.300I mean, I wrote about it at the time, Megan, and I said, actually, in all of the time I've been in the UK, you know, I moved here from New Zealand 15 years ago.
00:48:45.580There's only a handful of days where I've ever felt that joy, that spirit, the whole idea that the country was coming together.
00:48:54.120All of the newspaper editorials said, this is a dawn of a new age for the royal family.
00:48:59.520We were collectively, as a nation, as a Commonwealth, excited about Megan entering the royal family.
00:51:00.360There's a reason Prince Harry's prior two girlfriends chose not to see it through with him, that he was totally in love with those two women.
00:51:36.440And Prince Harry actually pointed out that there were members of the royal family encouraging Megan to keep acting because they didn't want her to give up her life.
00:51:46.140They didn't want her to feel as if she had to give everything up for Harry because they understood that that might result in bitterness.
00:51:56.680That was also played as, you know, they were basically telling me I should keep, like, to keep supporting herself, like, keep getting the paycheck.
00:52:03.720Everything was spun in a way where they had been unfairly targeted.
00:52:08.220But Prince Charles paid for everything, Megan.
00:52:14.160But when you look at it, I just think it's very tragic, the parallels.
00:52:18.080When you think Megan enters the royal family without any of her old mates, with only one family member who she's talking to, she's fallen out with her half-sister, Samantha.
00:52:29.420Now you've got Prince Harry a couple of years later.
00:52:32.380He's fallen out with all of his old mates, all of the people who he was in the army with, who he used to go out to nightclubs with, fallen out with all of them, cut contact when he started to date Megan.
00:52:41.640And now he's fallen out with his dad and his brother.
00:52:47.040You know, lots and lots of alarm bells there because William and Harry were close.
00:52:52.260And if you speak to people close to Megan, sorry, if you speak to people close to William, Megan, like I have done many, many times over the years, he's devastated about this.
00:53:02.660You know, he feels like he did everything he could over years and years and years to look after his brother.
00:53:28.220He didn't defend the British people and the way of life over there that had been so good to him.
00:53:32.400He only saw himself as troubled and victimized, too.
00:53:34.900Right up to the point of him talking about his when the royal family took away security, he didn't want to do the job anymore of being a royal.
00:53:42.440And they said, OK, that means you're going to lose certain things, including your security.
00:54:06.100Anybody over here could make a security team happen with 16 million dollars, especially when he's had his every expense from zero to age 36 paid for by the British tax.
00:54:18.580He hasn't had to pay one dollar for anything.
00:54:21.500It was his disconnect from how real people live and are was stunning.
00:54:27.000And do you know what I wish I'd heard from Prince Harry, especially given all of this talk of racism?
00:54:33.060What about his own experiences with racism and how he learned from that?
00:54:37.820Because remember, Prince Harry went to a fancy dress party in a Nazi uniform, which he was severely criticized for at the time.
00:54:48.300He was then caught on video referring to a fellow soldier of his, you know, when he when he was on duty as as the P word, a word that I won't say, but it's a it's a highly controversial racial term used in the UK for folk of Asian descent.
00:55:09.420We never hear about his own experience with racism and how he got over it.
00:55:14.540And for me, actually, that would have been more enlightening than just slagging off the British press for being racist, slagging off his his family members for being racist.
00:55:24.020You know, he's had his own experiences with racism.
00:55:28.360I would have liked to have heard more from him on that.
00:55:31.880Well, to me, it was like they both clearly had some media coaching prior to this interview, but they needed more.
00:55:38.360I mean, I didn't think he was delivering the right message.
00:55:42.140It should have been complete acknowledgement of the privilege that he has, thanks to the British people and how this has been a painful event.
00:55:51.680You know, they're they're living their private life now.
00:55:53.580And it was it's a little hard to sort of fall on the privacy thing when you're talking to Oprah in front of tens or hundreds of millions of people.
00:56:03.280But, OK, fine, we'll accept this is going to be the only one.
00:56:06.020And you want your privacy, even though now we're going to see you on Netflix and on Spotify.
00:57:17.560It is not living authentically, revealing, hosting a gender reveal party for your baby, a future princess, potentially, of the UK on Oprah Winfrey when you're claiming that you want privacy.
00:58:10.620And I really hope that Harry thinks about the importance of the monarchy, the importance of his grandmother's position, not just to the UK, but to the Commonwealth and the wider world.
00:58:23.700And just think about, does his family really deserve this at this time?
00:58:30.960You know, this is going to be a really difficult, a rocky couple of years for the royal family, Megan.
00:59:34.160And don't go away, because coming up, we're going to have Barry Weiss with the latest on the fight against these wokesters who are completely eroding one's civil liberties.
01:01:53.280Yeah, to me, I listen, I can't imagine joining the royal family and the kind of restrictions that that comes with.
01:02:00.660But the notion that someone wouldn't have any understanding that, yeah, you give up your driver's license because you have a fleet of cars to drive you everywhere or a horse or whatever.
01:02:11.800However, the idea that a Hollywood actress like doesn't know what a streamer is and didn't have any idea of what they would do when they came to California for the idea that, you know, I love the moment.
01:02:24.960I love the moment where they're like pretending like they've only seen a few episodes of The Crown where, you know, they've seen every bit of it.
01:02:33.200But I have to say, but I but I believe that it was a torturous experience.
01:02:39.080It's just very hard for me to believe that a woman that is so sophisticated and savvy had no idea what she was getting into in the way that she says.
01:02:50.700Yeah, I would have rather she just she just owned it.
01:02:54.140Honestly, like, yes, I was thrilled to marry a royal.
01:02:56.720Of course, it's exciting to become a princess.
01:03:15.060Thanks for my hundred and fifty million dollars, which I never would have gotten as a host of suits or an actress in suits who hadn't married a prince.
01:03:51.420Like, OK, but I do think it is politically masterful, because if you're the royal family, how do you respond to something so like those accusations were horrific?
01:04:05.640And I just I just think if we're looking at it just from a purely cold political power strategic perspective, as much as you cringed and your jaw was on the floor, they come out on top.
01:04:18.800So the reason I want to have you back so soon is because now something's happening.
01:04:24.000We talked all about how new lanes needed to be created for against these sort of crazy wokesters who are trying to shut everybody down and kick everybody out and cancel everybody and judge everybody, whether it's our schools or it's our corporations or it's our sports.
01:04:55.860And you're going to walk us through how this can help regular Americans who are sitting at home right now saying, oh, my God, what's going on in my school?
01:05:03.100Or, oh, my God, my corporation is going to make me take this critical race theory and I don't want to do it and I feel uncomfortable.
01:05:10.020Yeah, so FAIR is an acronym for the Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism.
01:05:16.040The president of it was a regular parent, just like I imagine lots of people who listen to the show and certainly lots of people who read what I write, who for the past it's more than a year have been coming to me.
01:05:32.680And Megan, I imagine, you know, you've had your own experience at school, so you know exactly what I'm talking about, are distressed by sort of the ideological takeover of oftentimes extremely prestigious schools, but sometimes the local public school, because this is really, really widespread.
01:05:48.880And unlike a lot of parents who say to themselves, you know, this is bad, but the school is great and I want my kids to have the best chance possible at getting into the Ivy League, this particular parent, his name is Byron Bartoning, said no.
01:06:06.020Once he, you know, he tried as much as he could to kind of fight it within the school, it didn't seem like it was working.
01:06:13.320And he basically said, you know what, I don't want my children indoctrinated with this.
01:06:16.740So he pulled his children out of Riverdale in Manhattan, which is, you know, one of the probably most elite prep schools in the country and decided he has no background in politics or activism, but kind of spent a good six months as this was going on, educating himself about why were, why were his children and he himself is mixed race.
01:06:42.280Why were they being told to separate themselves by race?
01:06:45.520Why were they being told to fixate on their immutable characteristics?
01:06:49.660Why were they told, as he writes in an op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal, to check each other's thoughts and actions, which especially to his wife, who's a Jew from the former Soviet Union, who had Jews stamped in her passport and who once reported her father to the local police, because that's the kind of indoctrination you have in the Soviet Union.
01:07:06.860And they, as a couple, were really, really allergic to this kind of ideology.
01:07:11.240And they were especially disturbed that it was happening in children in elementary school.
01:07:14.900And so that was the kind of genesis of FAIR.
01:07:17.640You know, someone with a total entrepreneurial background who thought, this is existential.
01:07:22.280If this spreads everywhere, and it seems like it is, like wildfire, where are we going to be as a country?
01:07:30.020Where are we going to be as a culture?
01:07:31.840This ideology undermines our most foundational values and our common culture.
01:07:50.100But the ACLU, like the SPLC, and like so many organizations that once upheld, you know, the kind of liberal order or stood up for civil liberties and civil rights for all, they're no longer in the business of doing that.
01:08:05.860I mean, that's the kind of cleanest way to put it.
01:08:08.640And, you know, we have, thank God, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which is FIRE.
01:08:14.020Today, a bunch of academics launched something called the Academic Freedom Alliance, I believe it's called, that's trying to do this kind of thing in the academy.
01:08:23.080But there wasn't any common address to do the kind of work that the ACLU and the SPLC once did.
01:08:33.320Yeah, to educate the public, to empower normal people to understand what was going on, to stand up for what's right, including by filing lawsuits, to do all of those things in one roof.
01:08:45.700And most importantly, you know, people used to say proudly, or maybe it was a joke, it's kind of hard to tell, that you're a card-carrying member of the ACLU.
01:08:53.160That might be a conservative talking point that was used to smear liberals.
01:09:07.640And I think it could not come at a more urgent moment.
01:09:11.520All right, now, and my next question is going to be, like, practically speaking, how does this work for people?
01:09:16.260But before we get to that, I just want to point out, poor Bayan, who has the Wall Street Journal piece and who founded this organization, FIRE.
01:10:01.180I guess the reason that I don't is that I've been working for a few weeks now on a school that, sorry, on a piece that interviewed probably almost three dozen,
01:10:12.600but certainly more than two dozen parents, dissident teachers, and children at 10 of the most prestigious prep schools in LA and New York.
01:10:22.040And one story that I was told by a young mother in Manhattan who has a preschooler and is, you know, on paper seems like the exact person that you'd want to be in one of these schools.
01:10:32.580She's kind of like a girl boss, I guess you could say.
01:10:35.760And it is now part of the interview process in these schools to make sure that your family commits to, you know, the school's anti-racism pledge.
01:10:47.060And I want to be clear for people that are hearing that word, there's a difference.
01:10:52.520And I think Farah is trying to make this distinction between good anti-racism, the kind of anti-racism that says we want to fight for a world in which Americans, all people, are judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
01:11:09.100And then there's bad anti-racism that says you are constrained to your, to the lane that you are born into and your skin color is sort of the main determinant of your path in life.
01:11:24.900And that, you know, the idea of aspiring toward a world in which we are sort of post-racial is not even something we should aspire to.
01:11:34.940It's basically the critical race theory view of anti-racism, the view that is most prominently articulated by someone like Ibram Kendi.
01:11:43.640And so these schools have really sort of gone in hardcore for that view.
01:11:50.380And the fact that it, to me, the fact that it's part of the process of application blew my mind.
01:11:58.360I'll tell you one other story that kind of shocked me.
01:12:00.980And this same mother was in the process of trying to figure out where her kids are going to go to school.
01:12:06.940And she was at home drawing with her daughter.
01:12:11.180And her daughter, who's four years old, said to her, I need to draw in my own skin color.
01:12:16.760And she told her mother that skin color is really important.
01:12:20.220And that's what her teachers taught her in preschool.
01:13:26.260I mean, this is at a level that is wild.
01:13:29.340And I think what is important for people to understand is that it's kind of easy to laugh off like the radical chic politics of a school like Dalton, right?
01:13:38.860Or a school like Harvard-Westlake in L.A. or Brentwood, where I am right now.
01:13:42.900But the point, right, is that the prep schools mirror what the so-called meritocracy, what elite America wants.
01:13:53.180Nothing happens in those schools that isn't a reflection of what Harvard and Yale and Princeton and therefore, you know, all of the very prestigious places that people from those schools go off to work want.
01:14:03.980And so as I'm reporting this story, I see that the cartoon network is imploring children to see color.
01:14:11.080I see that Coca-Cola employees in their D&I initiative were instructed to be less white.
01:14:16.260We see eBay removing all listings of, you know, the newly problematic Dr. Seuss.
01:14:21.480It's very important for people to understand that this ideology is so savvy because it claims to be speaking truth to power.
01:14:32.800But the reality is, is that it is the power increasingly.
01:14:44.500I remember back in 2010, I want to say, I was on the air every day laughing at this nonsense about what cupcakes we'd become, about how you couldn't say anything, right?
01:14:55.620And just sort of laughing at these college students who needed their safe spaces for everything.
01:15:03.820And so we ignored it at our peril because now it's seeped down into K through 12 education.
01:15:07.860So they're getting to them even sooner with this indoctrination and this nonstop censorship of how one must think and see the world.
01:15:16.360So if we don't fight back now, prepare to lose forever.
01:15:19.320Prepare because they're really, I think, A, they're indoctrinating children, but B, they're sowing such division.
01:15:25.380This is going to have such negative long-term consequences when it comes to race relations.
01:15:29.840We have no idea the devil we're unleashing here.
01:15:32.660Well, I would say, you know, there was one teenage boy that I spoke to who told me that, you know, if I even named him or described him as a capitalist, it would ruin his life.
01:15:45.540This is obviously hilarious to me given the kind of school that this young man goes to, but I don't doubt that he's telling me the truth given what's, you know, happened to other kids.
01:15:54.380Because, yeah, I would just say that the, he, so he said to me, he said to me, MLK would condemn my school.
01:16:04.300And he said to me, I think much more now about my race than I've ever thought about it before.
01:16:11.520And I think that, you know, having people fixate on their race, having people think that whiteness is an important thing for who they are, the backlash to that, you know, the downstream effects of that are really scary to me.
01:16:46.220It's going to stand up for people who are being bullied.
01:16:48.460And then you get people like, um, this guy, this guy was part of the reply all podcast that just got quote paused after one of the podcast hosts that were, they were accused of contributing to a toxic workplace, toxic workplace.
01:17:05.140And this guy who's associated with it has decided fair sucks that fair is, is quote, is quote, a bunch of far right psychos and ghouls who have formed an organization to defend their right to be racist in public.
01:17:18.900So that's how this guy, Alex Goldman, sums up what you're doing, what I'm doing, what Glenn Lowry is doing, what Coleman Hughes is doing.
01:17:31.880Well, I mean, I, you know, I, I, the, the, we don't have time to get into the reply all, um, cancellation turducken that was truly, you know, ripped straight from the onion, that entire situation.
01:17:45.360Um, and if I described it to your listeners, they would actually think I was a psycho.
01:17:51.000I will simply say that I don't put much stock in, um, in his view or the view of any of these, you know, random people that want to tear down rather than build up.
01:18:02.980I will simply say that I am so proud to be on a board with the people that you named and, you know, two dozen more who are some of my heroes in the culture.
01:18:15.520Um, someone like Daryl Davis, who's counseled dozens of people out of the KKK, someone like, you know, I on her CLE, Camille Foster, John McCorder, you know, Megan Kelly.
01:18:26.800I, I'm a Coleman. I'm, I'm just so proud. And I think of the board and this whole group as kind of the best advertisement for what fair is meant to be about.
01:18:36.840We certainly don't agree on everything, but we're coming together, a coalition of liberals and moderates and conservatives to say enough.
01:18:45.400These are the values that uphold, like, I don't think people understand how fragile, um, uh, liberal democracy is.
01:18:56.340I don't mean to sound too high-minded, but, but I really don't think people grasp that.
01:19:00.620And I think what fair understands is that it is fragile and that those basic ideas, you know, that we don't judge each other based on our immutable characteristics, that we don't believe that people have racial, collective racial guilt, that we believe that we're all entitled to fair treatment and equality under the law.
01:19:21.980I mean, those seem so obvious. It's almost sad to have to assert them, but unfortunately they're not obvious right now. And I'm just very proud to be part of an organization that's, that's really trying to raise that flag.
01:19:34.640Me too. When I heard the names of the people who are involved, I, my, my heart swelled. It was like, oh my God, this is a cast of all stars who are getting behind this organization. That's going to fight for good.
01:19:46.320And, and, and unlike the Harper's letter, which, and I love Thomas Shatterton Williams, he's coming on soon, but, um, unlike the Harper's letter, which really didn't have any true conservatives, you know, had, it was only people who didn't like Trump.
01:19:58.820Now they were ideologically different, but they were, they all disliked Trump. This is, I mean, across the board, people who have really different opinions, people whose political stripes are opposite of one another's, but coming together to fight this singular, hugely important battle. That's why it gives me hope that we're going to win. You know, it's like, that's what we need. This is the microcosm of, of what we need America to be next.
01:20:26.040I, I totally, I think it's modeling the kind of, um, cooperation and conversation that we, we need to see in the world, like doing it ourselves and showing other people that that's possible. And, um, yeah, I mean, we had, um, Eli Steele, who's also on the board, who I was crying, Megan, when I listened to him on your podcast, we had him over for about dinner two nights ago. And we were talking about this and it just got me so excited about, about what's possible and what,
01:20:55.780what we can do. So this is a first attempt. You know, last time I was on, we talked about all of the things that need to be built. You know, this is one of so many things. So I would just encourage anyone listening to this, like the work's not over. Like, this is just the first property.
01:21:11.440So, so, okay. And of course, if you want to support fair, please go ahead. You can, you can Google it fair.org, right?
01:21:18.620Fair enough. It's fair for all.org. And, uh, if you want to sign up, it's backslash join us. And I will say that we know that people are really concerned about, um, anonymity around this issue and protecting people's privacy. And we can absolutely assure you, um, that we will. And, you know, I would say that the most urgent thing, there's, there's lots of things we're going to do. The most urgent thing I would say that we're doing right now is organizing parents in chapters all over the country.
01:21:47.520And so if you're a parent and you're concerned about what's going on in your child's school, um, this is the organization for you.
01:21:53.920Okay. Yeah. So as a practical, so, so what are the, where are we starting schools? Yes. A hundred percent. Anything else right now?
01:22:02.620Educating the public. It shouldn't take someone like buy-in six months to understand what critical race theory is, what post-structuralism is, where these ideas come from.
01:22:13.240We want to be, um, making, and one of the things that this ideology does is that it dresses itself up in very seductive, often very jargony language that makes people who don't have a PhD feel like they're not smart enough to understand it.
01:22:29.880We think that's, frankly, BS. And we want to be, um, educating people about what this ideology really is, despite what it claims to be, um, and why it's so dangerous.
01:22:41.600Um, and we want to be organizing and connecting the people that feel isolated in their school, in their company, um, connecting them so they feel part of a community.
01:22:50.800Ultimately, what we want to be doing is offering people an alternative. So for example, if you're running a company and you're going to do, um, a DNI initiative, you know, there's one widget on the shelf and that widget is the critical race theory version of anti-racism.
01:23:05.040We want to offer the Daryl Davis, John McWhorter, uh, Glenn Lowry, Coleman Hughes, Chloe Valdari version of, of anti-racism, one that is pro-human, that is positive, that is optimistic, and that's rooted in, in compassion.
01:23:21.180Um, so those are some of the things we want to be doing. I'll leave one last thing.
01:23:29.040Right, DNI, um, uh, diversity and inclusion initiative.
01:23:32.520So, you know, when Coca-Cola is doing, um, a diversity and inclusion initiative through their HR, we don't want that initiative to be one that tells people, um, that they need to be less white because that's not really useful.
01:23:49.180We want to, or, you know, like I'm thinking about, I think it's the Sacramento, um, sorry, the San Diego school district just had a training in which white teachers were told that they spirit murder black children.
01:24:02.520We don't think that that's really a great message or a useful or productive, uh, pathway toward, um, healing divisions toward racial comedy.
01:24:13.540Yeah, or, or, or like in, in my case, in my son's school, telling all the kids in the classroom who love each other, our best pals go to every birthday party, every event together, hang out at every free moment they can, that one of them is a future killer cop because there are white children in the class.
01:24:30.140That, that, that happened. It's insanity. And then they're like, divisive. What do you mean? This is, this is anti-racist. No, it isn't. It's nothing of the kind.
01:24:39.760So I, let's get back to connecting, uh, communities that don't know they're connected. So if you're at a school and you object to this stuff, but you're too scared to say anything publicly for good reason, how would it work? How would you get connected with other parents who feel the same?
01:24:59.740Well, we're setting up chapters, um, all over the country right now. Um, so you could be, so for example, you know, I was speaking to a mother the other day at Brentwood and she called me, you know, she was crying, um, because of the things her eighth grade daughter is being taught about giving up her spot for, I mean, I can't even, the stories, it's just like the kind of the thing that you experienced at collegiate.
01:25:22.480Right now that parent is thinking I'm alone in this. How do I find like-minded people? We want to help her connect to other like-minded people, a, to help her, to empower her in her own school. Because if there is a group of parents, often that can be much more effective. Or if she's feeling like this isn't the right place for her to find, um, places that are.
01:25:45.040So we're at the, you know, listen, this was an organization that started eight weeks ago, you know, it's a startup that we're bootstrapping, but we feel that simply by connecting people and making them feel, making it feel clear that they're not alone, giving them the tools to raise a ruckus in their school, um, and seeing, seeing where that can go.
01:26:08.800That's huge. That's huge. Because back to Bayan, who, who wrote, who founded the organization and wrote the op-ed in the journal, you know, he was, he was effectively told you might want to leave. And so if, if you're worried about that, and parents are, they, they love their kids. They worked hard to get into these schools. They're great schools. They know it's easy to say like, just leave, you know, but we also really wrestled with leaving. We, we loved our schools, loved them, loved our teachers.
01:26:35.980We didn't want to leave, you know, but in the end, we just thought it was a fight that was not winnable. That's truly how I felt. We, and we had researched for a year, Barry, we had spoken to parents with way more money and way more power than we had who, and learned about the battles they fought and how little any of the, that meant to the schools.
01:26:55.060You know, parents who pulled tens of millions in donations, you know, like they had given them one year and said, no more, no, don't care who had gone public. Don't care who had tried to shame them or even threatened litigation. Don't care. So like our conclusion was, it's not winnable. Anyway, my point is, um,
01:27:11.380And those are parents with, with the means, right? Like, yeah, you want to be like, think about if you're a public school parent, you know, who is, you know, the incoming New York city schools, chancellor, for example, is a very vocal fan on Twitter of critical race theory.
01:27:26.720Um, you know, um, you know, you think it can't get worse after Richard Carranza. Well, maybe it can. And right now there is nothing, there is no organization and no force trying to push back against this, no organization at all. So far as we can tell, we want to be that organization and, you know, power of it depends on how many people get involved. And, and we're thrilled with the reaction so far. And just really, really want to encourage everyone,
01:27:56.180because right now this is a totally volunteer organization and we need your help.
01:28:00.320Yes. Right. So feel free to donate too. But what, what I was going to say is if you find peers who feel the same as you, they can't throw all of you out. Like the schools need bodies and they can't throw all of you out. So if it's just one twisting in the wind, that's one thing. But if it's a group of parents saying we object, your, your power is much greater. Your security is greater. Your confidence is greater.
01:28:23.360So this could be a clearing house to sort of try to get through all of that and connect people who are too afraid to talk to each other. And it's funny because, you know, they could be neighbors. They could be at, I'll guarantee you, they're going to be parents who are at the, at the, like the diversity and inclusion lecture, sitting right next to each other, being supportive, who are looking for people who want to push back on some of the crazier aspects of it, but don't know that the person sitting right next to them feels as they do.
01:28:48.240That's exactly right. Um, because people are very, very closeted and scared to speak out against this because, you know, it's not just their reputation and their professional, um, you know, status that's at stake. It's the reputation of their children and they don't want to hurt their children. They don't want their children to, to have, um, you know, that to carry what is unfortunately a kind of moral stain, which is what happens when you are skeptical, um, of this ideology.
01:29:14.880So, um, yeah, there's, there's so much more.
01:29:19.100I'm here to tell you, having just gone through this, there are schools out there that don't see it that way, that understand what's being done to those children is inappropriate and that the schools have no business dividing the children like this and shaming the children like this over immutable characteristics on both sides, the white kids, the black kids, both of them.
01:29:37.160Um, so they are out there. We've, we've found a couple and, and ours are not the only ones. It did take some effort, but do your homework, do your research. And if you can't move, if you can't find another school, then you got to fight. You just got to fight. You have no other choice at this point because it's your kid. It's your kid's emotional wellbeing in a day and age when suicide rates among teenagers are at an all time high. If you won't fight for yourself, fight for your child.
01:30:01.680I totally agree. And I want to also say that, you know, one thing that struck me, I was at a sort of secret meeting that I write about in this piece that's coming out of, um, parents who are sort of organizing at Harvard Westlake, which is a really elite private school out here in LA. Um, you know, as you were saying, like collective action is, is what's necessary and what works.
01:30:22.600And, you know, at the end of the conversation, one of them said, should we maybe just like try and make a new school? And I think that's exactly the kind of mentality that we need right now. Um, fight as hard as you can. You have every right to be in these places, you know, and you have every right to make sure that your child isn't being indoctrinated, but also like, you know,
01:30:46.160if you're the kind of parent that can afford to send your child to a private school, you might also be the kind of parent with the connections and possibly the initiative to try and start new schools, um, that do live up, that give your child the kind of rigorous education, um, that you want.
01:31:02.600And so again, like I said, on the last time we talked, Megan, and as we've talked about many times in between, I really believe that we're in a period of building. And I think that some of these parents are going to be so supercharged that they're going to do that kind of thing. And I'm really, really eager to see it.
01:31:22.720Um, fair is getting in that game for sure. There's other initiatives that are also cropping up that I think will be announced in the next couple of weeks.
01:31:32.600coming weeks that are going to be specifically and totally focused on, um, lawfare, but we have an amazing legal network. And, um, if you are someone in a public school, um, where you feel like your child is being discriminated against based on their race or their religion, as the mother in the Las Vegas suit, um, did, uh, and brought a lawsuit, um, we are absolutely here for you and you should reach out to us.
01:32:02.020And we would love to connect you to our amazing legal network and see if you have a case.
01:32:06.620Exactly. Because there are a lot of lawyers who are now volunteering time on this or who have benefactors paying for these lawsuits because they want to see a Supreme court case right now, given this bench, um, get handled.
01:32:19.240So you don't, don't be deterred because you don't have the money to fight the legal battle. If you have a good case, contact fair and we'll help place you with somebody. Cause as Barry points out, I'm, I'm part of another initiative too. That's trying to work on getting legal teams together.
01:32:33.180Um, and Chris Rufo has got one going. So there, there's a bunch of options that are now sprouting up that will be able to help people. And, and just to speak about that Las Vegas case. So it's a, it's a, it's a mother suing on behalf of her mixed race son, who is, he's mixed race, but he looks white and he's in an, an all black class. And she objected to the school trying to make him say what race he is, right? Like none of your damn business, right? Like I, I, I maybe doesn't want to say he's mixed race.
01:33:01.460Um, and she's winning the court out there found that she had a likelihood of success on the merits, uh, because they were forcing her son to engage in compelled speech.
01:33:12.480And that's a great ruling because when she goes into court down the line that she hasn't won yet, they're saying she has a likelihood of success. When she goes into court down the line that the, the, the court is going to have to evaluate now what the school's doing under what's called a strict scrutiny standard.
01:33:27.540And that's very tough. That it's going to be very tough for the school to defend its behavior. So these are all good things that are happening that can, that can help everybody. And not just in schools, you get a couple of good rulings about this. When it comes to critical race theory, being shoved down the kids throats, it can translate into corporate America and beyond. All these are really important. And if you think you have a good case, get out there because there are smart, wealthy people who would like to help you see it through.
01:33:53.740Yes. Come join fair. Uh, we would absolutely love to help you.
01:34:03.220Our thanks to Barry Weiss and to Dan Wooten. Don't forget to tune into the show on Wednesday when we have Andrew Schultz. He's an amazing comedian. He's completely brilliant. He's been tearing up the internet with his bits on various issues. And I think he's somebody with whom I'm going to disagree on several things politically.
01:34:23.320But we'll agree to disagree and have fun doing it. I think you're going to get a lot of laughs. So don't miss Wednesday's show. We'll talk then.
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