The Megyn Kelly Show - Out of Touch Elites, and Oppression as a Currency, with Jesse Kelly and Amala Ekpunobi

00:00:00.420 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.280 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.600 We are keeping close tabs on the Dow this hour after Wall Street suffered its worst day since 2020.

00:00:22.300 The August Consumer Price Index, horrible, is showing higher than expected inflation,

00:00:27.640 causing the Dow to fall more than 1,200 points yesterday.

00:00:32.420 Americans are feeling the pinch where it counts most, food prices,

00:00:36.000 seeing the highest increase since 1979 when Jimmy Carter was president and I was eight.

00:00:45.600 Okay, worse since then.

00:00:47.840 But you'd never know it by looking at the White House yesterday where it was a full-on party.

00:00:52.180 Look what a great time they're having.

00:00:54.000 They're enjoying themselves.

00:00:55.060 They're celebrating their so-called Inflation Reduction Act.

00:01:00.460 Talk about a selection, a bullshit name coming back to haunt you.

00:01:06.300 That bill had nothing to do with reducing inflation, had to do with climate change,

00:01:11.060 and they misnamed it to try to get some good PR going.

00:01:14.600 So it looked totally out of touch for them to be celebrating their fake news inflation reduction act

00:01:21.660 with these numbers out, right?

00:01:24.500 But they went ahead and did it anyway because once you've planned it and said you're going to do it,

00:01:27.800 you've got to do it or it's a bigger news story.

00:01:29.940 It even had a musical performance by James Taylor.

00:01:32.140 Good times.

00:01:33.080 Good times.

00:01:34.180 Remember, he played at Barack Obama's acceptance of the nomination as the Democratic nominee back in 2008 as well.

00:01:42.240 I was there, Cheryl Crow, all the stars, all the big music stars and Hollywood stars love the Democrats and they don't care how out of tune they seem to be with the national conversation given the day of news.

00:01:55.880 Jesse Kelly's here today, folks.

00:01:57.420 He's host of The Jesse Kelly Show and I'm Right.

00:02:01.180 I like that.

00:02:02.300 I like that title for a couple of reasons.

00:02:08.940 Jesse, welcome back to the show.

00:02:10.280 Great to have you.

00:02:11.460 Oh, it's good to be here, Megan, even though it's a bit of ugly circumstances, I guess you could say, but it's good to be here.

00:02:17.420 I appreciate you.

00:02:18.500 It's so out of touch.

00:02:19.720 It's crazy.

00:02:20.540 Like, to me, there's such divine right order in them being bitten by their false name.

00:02:26.960 Right.

00:02:27.420 Because, like, they actually were kind of celebrating what they did for what they think they did for climate change.

00:02:32.340 But because they named it this nonsense lie name, they look so out of touch and like they don't understand what's going on in middle America around the so-called kitchen table.

00:02:41.920 I think it really shows how out of touch they've become as a party.

00:02:46.120 I mean, a bunch of people have made this point.

00:02:47.680 It's not my point, but how the Democratic Party, I mean, once you could argue, was the Workers Party, the Union Party.

00:02:53.600 That's what people think of, you know, the JFK Democrats.

00:02:56.020 That's it's now just a party of liberal urban elites.

00:02:59.900 And to be honest with you, in their defense, I can't believe I'm defending these people.

00:03:03.860 How would they be in touch, Megan?

00:03:05.660 How would they be in touch?

00:03:06.540 Look at the administration.

00:03:07.620 Look at their background of all these people.

00:03:09.480 They all grew up.

00:03:10.380 Not that there's anything wrong with this rich or upper middle class.

00:03:12.980 They went right from there to some snooty Ivy League school with manicured lawns.

00:03:16.960 That's not real life.

00:03:18.300 They went right from there to a production assistant on MSNBC or working for Congressman Jerkwater's office or something like that.

00:03:25.460 Eventually, they find their way in the White House.

00:03:27.580 How can they relate to a family right now that's getting text messages from their wife as she's buying groceries and she can't afford it this month?

00:03:34.520 And do you have any more money coming in?

00:03:36.260 Can you work some overtime?

00:03:37.660 They don't have any relation to that person.

00:03:39.460 They've never lived in that world.

00:03:40.780 And you can show you can tell.

00:03:42.420 Last night, I don't watch Don Lemon for obvious reasons.

00:03:47.260 It's horrible.

00:03:48.320 But I do see some clips from time to time.

00:03:50.880 Last night, he and his panelists were having a good laugh about the fact that my pillow guy, Mike Lindell, got his phone seized at Hardee's.

00:03:58.540 And they thought it was hilarious that he was getting fast food, that he was at Hardee's when this happened to him, because, you know, what kind of a self-respecting person would be getting fast food at Hardee's?

00:04:11.740 He's obviously disgusting and below Don Lemon for doing that.

00:04:16.280 And to me, it dovetails perfectly into what you're saying.

00:04:19.480 The elite media, the Nancy Pelosi's with the 45,000 ice creams behind her and her designer freezer.

00:04:26.000 They don't understand how real people live.

00:04:30.400 How could if you've never lived that way?

00:04:32.660 But it's one thing, Megan, to not understand how real people live.

00:04:35.840 Right.

00:04:35.980 I mean, there are a million walks of life I've never done, even though I grew up in construction and blue collar and things like that.

00:04:40.860 But there are many things I've never done.

00:04:42.500 But I at least understand I've never done it.

00:04:44.520 Yeah, I at least understand that that person has a totally different life experience than I do.

00:04:49.680 They don't care.

00:04:51.080 I say this a lot, and it proves to be correct a lot, that all of our cultural leaders, not just politicians, all of them, they all have three things in common now, and they're all bad.

00:05:00.700 No love of country.

00:05:01.900 Sometimes they hate the country, but oftentimes they just don't care about it.

00:05:05.400 They don't do anything, wake up in the morning and think, well, this is good for America.

00:05:09.540 That doesn't cross their mind.

00:05:11.480 No love of country, no relation to the working person, because they never lived in that world.

00:05:16.340 We already talked about that.

00:05:17.540 And an ironclad belief that they are of a higher class.

00:05:22.380 I don't mean basic snobbishness, right?

00:05:24.400 Oh, I'm not going to eat that.

00:05:25.520 Where's my chamomile tea?

00:05:27.160 I mean, they genuinely believe, as rulers in the past have, that they are of royal blood and that these absurd peasants down below and their freedoms, they're holding everything back.

00:05:37.820 If they would just shut up about their freedoms and let us rule as kings and queens, then we will make life better for everybody.

00:05:44.840 When you understand those three things, everything they do makes sense.

00:05:48.320 It's so true.

00:05:49.600 It led to the unfortunate moment of Joe Biden celebrating, along with James Taylor singing Fire and Rain.

00:05:55.820 Okay.

00:05:56.160 I mean, I guess that makes sense because it's a climate control bill.

00:05:58.420 It's not an inflation reduction act.

00:05:59.620 Um, so Joe Biden's celebrating as the Dow is tanking yesterday.

00:06:04.960 We have this soundbite is from Fox News and you can see the lower third and the Dow falling precipitously as they're, you know, yucking it up over there on the White House lawn.

00:06:14.260 Watch.

00:06:15.660 This couldn't have happened without every single one of you.

00:06:18.400 And that's in the literal sense of the Senate.

00:06:20.020 Every single one was required because the other team didn't want to play.

00:06:25.780 And all our distinguished guests, CEOs, advocates, activists, thank you for joining us.

00:06:32.880 What a great day.

00:06:34.440 What a great day.

00:06:35.240 Shows the down, down.

00:06:36.640 1300.

00:06:37.600 Reduction Act in the law.

00:06:39.780 And he's talking about inflation.

00:06:41.100 I mean, it's amazing how poorly they set this up.

00:06:43.920 It is.

00:06:45.980 It hit me yesterday, Megan, when I was thinking about actually that speech and the Dow and things like that.

00:06:51.980 We were talking about people being out of touch.

00:06:54.340 Honestly, we're all probably a little out of touch because we, we wait until like the inflation report comes out.

00:07:00.480 And then this is big news because we, we have the numbers in front of us, right?

00:07:03.460 Oh my gosh, inflation.

00:07:05.180 But normal people, they already knew.

00:07:08.380 They didn't need some news article about inflation sucking it up.

00:07:11.980 They're well aware that their standard of living has been steadily going down for some time now.

00:07:17.160 And they can't afford anything.

00:07:18.700 And, oh, maybe you don't get new shoes for back to school this year.

00:07:21.840 Oh, it looks like we're going to have to cut cable.

00:07:23.580 We got it.

00:07:24.260 Normal people already knew.

00:07:26.420 And yet it's always this lagging indicator with the headline, right?

00:07:30.440 Normal people, especially poorer people, are watching their lives be wiped out right now.

00:07:35.580 More than just 401ks, just watching their lives be wiped out.

00:07:38.700 It is, it's genuinely sad.

00:07:40.840 Extremely sad.

00:07:41.500 Just to put some meat on the bones, consumer price index, key measure of inflation increased

00:07:46.700 by 8.3% in August when compared to the same month last year.

00:07:50.700 Many economists had predicted that inflation would decline in August.

00:07:55.760 Didn't happen.

00:07:57.260 Markets nosedived on the news.

00:07:59.740 Dow fell 900 points ultimately.

00:08:02.640 And the food index, which I mentioned, has seen the largest 12-month increase since May of

00:08:06.740 1979.

00:08:07.380 It's risen 11.4% just over the last year.

00:08:12.120 So you're right.

00:08:12.800 People are feeling it when they go to the grocery store.

00:08:15.500 And while gas prices have fallen slightly, they're still high.

00:08:19.580 And people are feeling it virtually in every area that they spend money, in particular on

00:08:24.160 their electric bills.

00:08:24.940 And so you turn on the TV and you're thinking, my God, you know, I don't know what to do because

00:08:30.020 the housing market's starting to crumble.

00:08:32.500 The food costs more.

00:08:34.280 The gas still costs more than it did under President Trump.

00:08:36.600 The electric bill can't get paid.

00:08:38.440 And you see Joe Biden with his aviator shades on there celebrating the Inflation Reduction

00:08:43.400 Act with James Taylor.

00:08:45.780 And is it any wonder, Jesse, that when Nancy Pelosi took to the microphones ready to.

00:08:51.040 Yeah.

00:08:51.460 Yeah.

00:08:52.440 She had to beg for applause.

00:08:55.240 Here's the moment.

00:08:57.140 Mr. President, thank you for unifying and inspiring a vision of a stronger, fair, safer future for

00:09:08.560 all, for our children.

00:09:10.600 Your extraordinary leadership has made this glorious day possible.

00:09:16.580 That's an applause line.

00:09:20.180 Oh, my God.

00:09:24.600 Jill was applauding.

00:09:27.920 Jill.

00:09:28.640 Oh, my God.

00:09:29.540 Jesse.

00:09:31.980 Nancy Pelosi actually fascinates me a lot, Megan.

00:09:35.240 And I mean it this way.

00:09:36.620 I realize she's unlikable and horrible, but she's she's a Disney movie villain.

00:09:41.280 I mean, she's Cruella de Vil in real life.

00:09:43.300 She's just an unlikable human being.

00:09:45.020 I don't even say that as a partisan, which I admit I am.

00:09:47.280 She's just a very unlikable human being.

00:09:49.280 Yet because she's so good at raising money to get Democrats elected, she's maintained

00:09:53.960 this this this status in the Democratic Party and nationally that she should never have.

00:09:59.440 So she's become basically the worst face you could have for a party.

00:10:03.200 And she maintains it because of money.

00:10:06.420 And everything seems to come back to that because of money.

00:10:09.220 Like you were making fun of the name of the bill, the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:10:12.820 Let's be honest.

00:10:14.240 It was never intended to do anything about inflation.

00:10:17.360 Democrats do two things when they take power.

00:10:19.480 They crush their enemies and they reward their friends.

00:10:22.340 This was one gigantic swan song.

00:10:25.360 The last bill Joe Biden will ever get passed.

00:10:27.920 That's a big handout to his donors.

00:10:30.220 And that's what it was.

00:10:31.760 And they're pretty naked and open about it.

00:10:33.700 That's what it is.

00:10:35.160 Here's a question about the media, though.

00:10:37.300 Do they cover today this?

00:10:39.560 Do they cover the inflation?

00:10:40.900 Do they cover these, you know, kitchen table issues, the increase of prices in electric and

00:10:46.920 in food and so on?

00:10:48.440 Or do they obsess over what Lindsey Graham did yesterday and the, you know, the attempt

00:10:53.000 to do basically my understanding is he said, you want to do abortion on a nationalized level?

00:10:58.900 Let's do abortion.

00:10:59.940 Fine.

00:11:00.640 We're the ones the Republican Party have been saying, let it be a state's issue.

00:11:03.980 I've been saying on this show all along, the Democrats should take their half a loaf because

00:11:09.000 it won't be bad if they if they want to make it a national issue that Congress can regulate.

00:11:12.960 They're going to lose everything.

00:11:14.260 They really could lose everything, at least now.

00:11:16.180 It's state's issue.

00:11:16.880 They've got New York.

00:11:17.540 They got Connecticut.

00:11:18.300 They got New Jersey.

00:11:19.200 They got the blue states, California.

00:11:21.300 And so he went out and said, OK, you want to make it a national issue?

00:11:24.480 Let's make it a national issue.

00:11:25.420 You guys want abortion on demand all the way through the ninth month of pregnancy.

00:11:28.480 Let's make the Republican position.

00:11:29.800 You get to 15 weeks with rape, incest and life of the mother exceptions.

00:11:33.940 And a lot of people said, oh, my God, he's insane.

00:11:36.000 What's he doing?

00:11:36.520 Don't get abortion back in the news.

00:11:37.940 Don't make that the headline for Republicans who are already struggling with these suburban

00:11:41.060 women.

00:11:41.800 I don't know what what the right strategy move is for him and his party.

00:11:45.740 But I do know that's catnip for the media.

00:11:48.640 They don't want to talk about the inflation numbers.

00:11:50.440 They'd love to talk about Lindsay.

00:11:52.780 Because they're walking Democrat talking points, as you well know.

00:11:56.200 I mean, you've been knee deep in that for how long, Megan, having to watch all this

00:11:59.560 insanity.

00:12:00.280 Look, what's so cynical and crazy about this, and I say this as somebody who's rabidly

00:12:04.680 pro-life, I know I'm far right of the average American.

00:12:07.160 So I don't expect the average American to be where I am.

00:12:10.320 But Democrats don't actually care about abortion either.

00:12:13.120 I wish people would realize this and understand this is nothing but suburban women outreach.

00:12:18.720 Democrats understand about 60 percent of women will vote Democrat in this country.

00:12:23.400 Women in this country have been taught for years that abortion on demand is just simply

00:12:27.240 a right they should have.

00:12:28.980 And so all you're seeing, all this abortion talk, all of it, every bit of it, it's not

00:12:32.860 about the life of a mother or any of the other ridiculous talking points they use.

00:12:37.800 It's all simply about votes.

00:12:39.760 It's all about votes.

00:12:41.060 They're struggling.

00:12:41.860 They can't run on the economy.

00:12:43.240 They can't run on the border.

00:12:44.360 They can't run on anything right now.

00:12:46.300 So what do you do?

00:12:47.360 You've got to find some way to whip up some sort of motivation and get people to the polls

00:12:52.000 in the midterms to try to mitigate exactly how bad the losses are going to be.

00:12:56.700 So it's actually I don't think it's bad that abortions in the news, not for Republicans

00:13:00.380 at all.

00:13:00.800 I've never thought this is a bad thing.

00:13:02.620 I think about a third of the country's rabidly pro-life, a third of the country's

00:13:06.400 rabidly pro-abortion and the other third don't care.

00:13:09.640 So if you if you bring up pro-life issues, who are you hurting yourself with?

00:13:12.860 The pro-abortion people?

00:13:13.940 You were never going to get them anyway.

00:13:15.180 Forget them.

00:13:15.560 So the the abortion issue came in the news again in a different way this week where Lila

00:13:22.820 Rose, she's been on the program many times.

00:13:24.620 She's one of the most, if not the most outspoken pro-life advocate in the country.

00:13:30.260 Totally reasonable, delightful young woman who's got her position.

00:13:34.060 Fine.

00:13:34.380 OK, she goes on Dr.

00:13:36.300 Phil to talk about abortion and specifically when life begins, which I am going to confess

00:13:42.600 to you, I did not realize that that was in debate.

00:13:46.960 I kind of thought we all knew when life begins and then we're just arguing over, well, whose

00:13:53.380 interests are greater at what point of the development of that life.

00:13:58.000 I guess I was wrong because she had this exchange, which is getting a lot of attention with Dr.

00:14:03.020 Phil McGraw.

00:14:03.380 The predicate of your positions, that life begins at fertilization, that science is very

00:14:13.220 clear about that.

00:14:14.860 And you have to know science isn't there's no consensus among the scientific community.

00:14:21.480 There is, Dr.

00:14:22.240 Phil.

00:14:22.480 Ninety six percent of scientists say that life begins at fertilization.

00:14:25.760 If you're an in vitro specialist, you're looking to create a single cell embryo and then you

00:14:29.760 know you have a new human life.

00:14:31.360 So it is a scientific fact.

00:14:33.380 Well, actually, it's not.

00:14:35.300 When do you when do you say human life begins?

00:14:37.520 There's well, it doesn't matter what I think.

00:14:40.480 I don't care what I think.

00:14:42.880 What I'm saying is the scientific community does not have a consensus about when life begins.

00:14:51.360 It's simply inaccurate.

00:14:52.480 It's simply inaccurate.

00:14:53.900 That's not true.

00:14:55.080 You can go to the body.

00:14:57.640 A single cell embryo is a unique new human life.

00:15:00.260 You can go to the body of scientific literature and you can find neuroscientists who say that

00:15:08.440 it begins when there is a detectable brainwave.

00:15:14.040 But Dr.

00:15:14.140 Phil, in an abortion, if it's not a human life, why do you have to kill it?

00:15:17.060 I haven't spoken over you and you keep speaking over me.

00:15:21.120 And I assume that's because you don't want me to finish my thought.

00:15:27.480 What do you make of that, Jesse?

00:15:28.720 They do this all the time, Megan.

00:15:31.340 This is how you know that they speak down, of course, to the peasants all the time.

00:15:36.300 And so they start trying to out academia you all the time.

00:15:40.240 You saw what he did there.

00:15:41.400 She was bringing obvious facts to the table.

00:15:43.780 You can like him or dislike him.

00:15:44.920 Those are obvious facts.

00:15:45.820 But what did he do, Megan?

00:15:46.900 He did the same thing they did to us during COVID.

00:15:48.780 You and I have had this conversation before.

00:15:50.500 Well, the science.

00:15:51.860 It's just the science.

00:15:52.720 Well, the scientists, the neuroscientists.

00:15:54.720 Neuroscientists, so the average human being sits back and thinks, well, I mean, gosh, neuroscientists.

00:15:59.540 I bet he went to Johns Hopkins.

00:16:01.180 I better shut up.

00:16:01.980 I mean, who can argue with the neuroscientists?

00:16:04.200 That neuroscientist is probably an idiot.

00:16:06.340 All the people who led our COVID response were absolute morons.

00:16:09.400 And they destroyed the country over stuff like a six-foot social distancing thing, which they admit now on camera that they made up.

00:16:15.960 They do the same thing on every issue that they just did with abortion.

00:16:18.920 They bring up some kind of doctor, because people inherently trust doctors.

00:16:22.780 Doctors, doctor, a scientist, trust the science.

00:16:25.840 And they just use that to enforce the position they want to push out there.

00:16:30.680 She was the actual scientist there.

00:16:32.640 Dr. Phil was the one who looked dumb.

00:16:34.760 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:16:35.600 Any woman who's taken a pregnancy test early on in her pregnancy understands there's a life in there.

00:16:40.360 You don't have to be a scientist.

00:16:42.080 That's like, you don't need it.

00:16:43.500 Like, I know it's a baby in there.

00:16:45.300 Now, it's an embryo.

00:16:46.740 It's going to grow.

00:16:47.460 It's a lot different at nine months in utero than it is on, you know, day nine in utero.

00:16:53.320 I agree with that.

00:16:54.880 But who would seriously argue that a life has not begun?

00:16:59.720 I mean, that's just a talking point to preserve a hardcore pro-choice position.

00:17:05.100 Of course, a life has begun.

00:17:07.220 It's just it looks different at day nine than it does at month nine.

00:17:11.640 The pro-abortion people in this country, Megan, I actually, you can equate them to people in the military who go to war.

00:17:20.220 And, you know, I've done this before.

00:17:22.320 And you can read countless things throughout history.

00:17:24.440 What happens when two armies go to war with each other?

00:17:27.020 They'll each come up with some derogatory, usually racial or cultural name for the other guy, right?

00:17:32.160 You can see what we were saying about Vietnamese.

00:17:34.280 I know what we were saying about Iraqis.

00:17:36.360 What we were saying about the Germans in World War II.

00:17:38.380 Well, why do you do that?

00:17:39.180 What do you call a German, a kraut in World War II?

00:17:41.700 Why?

00:17:42.920 Because you're trying to make that person less than human because it makes it easier to kill that person.

00:17:48.780 That's the exact same thing we do with abortion in this country.

00:17:51.720 Instead of a baby or a life, it becomes a clump of cells or, well, the science is that, well, we're not really sure.

00:17:58.640 They try to muddle the issue and make it less than what it is.

00:18:02.660 No, it's an innocent little baby growing in its mother.

00:18:06.000 It's a unique God-breathed soul and should be given every chance, not just that life should be protected at all costs, at all costs.

00:18:14.240 That baby can't protect itself.

00:18:15.700 It should be protected.

00:18:16.880 But instead, we dehumanize it.

00:18:18.660 Fetus, clump of cells.

00:18:20.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:21.060 Exact same thing militaries do.

00:18:22.280 I really think you can have an honest, nuanced abortion debate and you can be pro-choice and still acknowledge that life begins at conception.

00:18:35.800 I mean, like the argument for most of the people I know who are pro-choice is it's a balancing scale and the mother's interests outweigh those of the baby in the first couple of weeks.

00:18:48.040 And the baby's interests outweigh the mother's right to choose later in the pregnancy.

00:18:52.500 That's how most Americans come at it.

00:18:53.960 I'm surprised to hear pushback, such harsh pushback.

00:18:57.000 And there's no life.

00:18:58.080 There's no, until you can hear the, okay, like, what does it need to be?

00:19:00.680 It needs to survive outside the mother's womb for us to recognize that it's alive?

00:19:05.080 This is absurd.

00:19:06.460 Well, I'm not surprised to hear it, though, Megan, because what we have right now is there's no appeal to what is normal or what is normal thought or popular thought in America.

00:19:17.100 Like, you just brought up what the most Americans believe.

00:19:19.980 Again, I know I'm right of that.

00:19:21.480 But that's the norm with virtually every issue.

00:19:24.040 All the elites at the top now are radically out of step with what normal Americans believe.

00:19:30.800 And in virtually every possible way, they are radically out of step, far, far to the left of what normal Americans believe.

00:19:38.340 But again, back to what we were talking about at the beginning, they don't concern themselves with what most Americans believe.

00:19:45.500 They believe they are of a higher class, a higher calling.

00:19:49.120 Of course the peasants believe these ridiculous things.

00:19:51.520 That's absurd.

00:19:52.240 We'll tell the peasants where we go.

00:19:54.980 What we have now is it's become so cold because they see themselves as kings and queens.

00:20:00.200 It applies to abortion as well.

00:20:02.140 Well, it's so relevant.

00:20:02.940 It's relevant, as you point out, not just in the abortion debate, but in the covid debate, which is ongoing.

00:20:09.260 These Democrats would like us to believe this is all ancient history.

00:20:12.140 Oh, and by the way, all the lockdowns were caused by Republicans and the vaccine was from a Republican president.

00:20:17.440 And so now they're distancing themselves.

00:20:18.840 But we're still having to live with their draconian mandates.

00:20:21.840 And the thing that's happening with kids under 12 is one of the most interesting because now Europe, our friends over in the UK, you can't give the vaccine to a kid under 12 in virtually any case.

00:20:34.440 They've banned it essentially for kids under the age 12 and under.

00:20:38.920 Meanwhile, over here, you can get kicked out of certain school districts if you don't give the vaccine to kids 12 and under.

00:20:47.060 I mean, that's madness.

00:20:49.540 And we haven't stopped to say, wait a minute.

00:20:52.680 Why are we doing that?

00:20:53.880 What?

00:20:54.360 Maybe our friends across the pond, they're not loons.

00:20:57.060 These are first world countries.

00:20:58.320 They're advanced when it comes to modern science.

00:21:01.200 What do they know that we don't?

00:21:03.360 And even even on the vaccine, Jesse, you look at the new vaccine, the new booster that's going to fight Omicron.

00:21:09.360 And literally, it was tested on eight mice, eight, no humans, eight mice.

00:21:16.620 And Fauci's talking about how this is going to be an annual must have in the same way we get annual vaccinations for things like flu or some people, some get the annual flu shot.

00:21:26.220 And I guarantee you, many schools are going to say that's mandatory when it comes to covid.

00:21:29.820 You take the thing that they tested on the mice because guess what?

00:21:33.380 You're you're our human testing group.

00:21:35.340 Megan, I think this is very difficult, honestly, for me to say, because it's difficult for it's difficult for me to accept.

00:21:43.300 And it's very difficult for most Americans to accept that we are, in fact, in many, many, many ways, a much more corrupt nation than the European nations are now.

00:21:52.600 And I'm not singing the praises of European nations, but that is simply a fact.

00:21:57.040 We have FDA guys on camera, high up FDA officials say admitting on camera, undercover video, admitting that they are bribed by the food and pharmaceutical companies to approve whatever they want approved.

00:22:11.200 And at the same time, we have the FDA making this admission.

00:22:15.380 The FDA was also publicly shooting down any alternative treatment that I know doctors were using, such as I'm not not pushing these things.

00:22:24.900 I don't know if they work or not. But doctor friends of mine were treating patients successfully with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.

00:22:30.960 The FDA came out and crushed those and told everybody they had to take this thing from Pfizer or Moderna or Johnson & Johnson, wherever you took it from.

00:22:41.680 And now we have Americans who have rejected this. They've especially rejected for their kids.

00:22:46.020 I believe it's two percent of Americans. And yet it is still the official government position that kids should take this thing.

00:22:53.020 It's time to wake up and realize that we have descended into a rotted form of gangster capitalism where the government works for the pharmaceutical companies and the pharmaceutical companies work for the government.

00:23:05.020 And they're not in this to help you. They're not in this to make you healthier.

00:23:09.280 They're all in this to loot you for every dime you're worth.

00:23:12.780 And I know that's very, very difficult to say because I love my country. I would die for my country.

00:23:17.540 I know that's probably the same for most of your listeners.

00:23:19.640 We have descended into something really, really gross here, Megan. And I think we should speak plainly about it.

00:23:26.200 You're entitled to say that you actually fought for our country in Iraq at a very dangerous time in our history, joined the military in 2000.

00:23:33.840 So, yeah, you're entitled to your opinion. And I agree. I've been feeling the same sort of sense of concern and sadness about who we are and what we're doing.

00:23:42.040 And this particular subject, you know, this covid relationship, I don't know.

00:23:47.700 Is it what is it? Is it a triumvirate between like Fauci?

00:23:51.900 He's part of the medical industrial complex and the government and big pharma.

00:23:56.640 I don't know, but they're dangerous. And it's actually it actually is killing people.

00:24:02.140 It really is. And they silence people like RFK Jr.

00:24:04.680 who try to stand up and say, whoa, let me call attention to how in bed they are with one another.

00:24:11.180 Well, Megan, 51 percent.

00:24:14.220 That's the increase in teenage girl suicides as a result of lockdowns.

00:24:20.640 Lockdowns came about as a result of a social distancing suggestion that we now know was made up.

00:24:27.220 So let's follow this along. The elites created a six six foot social distancing requirement that led to schools closing that led to teenage girls killing themselves.

00:24:39.260 We now have parents who will never again sit around the Christmas tree with their baby girls because they lost their mind during the lockdowns.

00:24:46.280 And let's circle all the way back to what you just mentioned. All the people who did this, not one of them is in jail.

00:24:52.800 Not one of them has been fired. Most of them have, frankly, been promoted or will live the rest of their lives in luxury.

00:25:00.420 Now, if that's not some form of corrupt gangster capitalism that is entirely hostile to the nation, I don't know what it is.

00:25:07.540 And please correct me if I'm wrong.

00:25:09.560 No, it's an outrage. It's sad and it depresses me and no one will take responsibility.

00:25:15.040 And it's ongoing. I mean, now they take a look back at the pandemic and they're like, well, you know, social distancing was really rough on teens.

00:25:22.360 They factor in other things which are real, like iPhone and the isolation that comes from that social media.

00:25:28.060 But there's been absolutely no attempt to take responsibility.

00:25:31.600 The CDC's introspective look was totally off the mark.

00:25:36.180 It didn't look at any of the actual problems at the CDC.

00:25:39.080 They've just decided they're too professorial. They're too academic.

00:25:42.860 They were writing too many papers and they need a better mouthpiece for the PR.

00:25:47.580 No, if they are in the market for a better mouthpiece, I strongly suggest they avoid Kareem Jean-Pierre, who continues to embarrass this White House.

00:25:56.160 She cannot say anything without reading her damn notes.

00:26:02.220 She I mean, it's it's so embarrassing.

00:26:04.240 So there she goes yesterday.

00:26:06.440 Actually, I'm going to show you the longer one there.

00:26:08.280 We have a 17 second.

00:26:09.200 We have a 47 second soundbite of her talking about the border.

00:26:13.400 And once again, she she repeats what Kamala Harris said on Meet the Press.

00:26:16.820 The problems at the border are the fault of the previous administration.

00:26:20.420 All right. Even though we're record numbers now under Joe Biden, it's Trump's fault.

00:26:23.980 And look at this for the YouTube viewers later.

00:26:26.320 You'll see her. She cannot do it without looking at the notes.

00:26:28.360 It's not eight.

00:26:28.880 As far as the border, we're taking looking down action.

00:26:34.600 We've made over 3000 arrests as part of a first of its kind anti smuggling campaign.

00:26:41.080 We've installed border technology and set up set up joint patrols with Mexico and Guatemala to catch traffickers.

00:26:49.480 We've got Mexico to agree to pay one point five billion dollars to order border processing and security through smart, proven border management solutions.

00:27:00.020 Compare that to the Trump administration, which largely just tried to build a wall, an ineffective wall along the border and couldn't even finish that in four years.

00:27:09.340 We're certainly reading doing a lot more to secure the border and could be doing even more if Republicans would stop their obstruction.

00:27:17.720 She can't. She can't do it.

00:27:21.900 Well, Megan, this is what happens when you hire somebody for her gender and her sexual orientation.

00:27:26.800 And I don't mean to to be rude, but that's exactly what happens.

00:27:30.480 That human being right there can't talk. So you can't be press secretary.

00:27:34.160 Maybe she's a lovely human being. Maybe she's a great cook.

00:27:36.780 Maybe maybe maybe she's a champion NASCAR driver, but she can't talk.

00:27:40.880 So if you can't talk, you can't be press secretary.

00:27:43.240 You don't get a big show like the Megyn Kelly show if you can't talk.

00:27:46.980 That's a basic requirement for speaking on the radio.

00:27:50.740 If you can't talk, you can't be press secretary.

00:27:52.760 But this this goes to our problem with everything we're dealing with now.

00:27:55.820 We don't seek out expertise or talent of any kind.

00:27:59.760 We seek out all these meaningless things, gender and sexual orientation and whatnot.

00:28:04.020 And so as a result, we have this never ending rod at the top because nobody's there for their ability.

00:28:08.980 They all suck. The president can't talk.

00:28:11.180 Kamala Harris can't talk.

00:28:12.420 The press can't talk.

00:28:14.280 The Democratic candidate in Pennsylvania can't talk.

00:28:16.940 Is there anyone in the Democratic Party who can complete a sentence?

00:28:21.620 John Fetterman, we've got to get to him next.

00:28:23.940 I'm fascinated by fascinated by this guy.

00:28:26.440 So he spent the first, you know, how many months of his campaign ripping on Dr. Oz.

00:28:31.140 They're both running for the U.S. Senate for basically being rich, for having a bunch of properties.

00:28:36.440 Well, now we find out the difference between Fetterman and Dr. Oz is Dr. Oz disclosed the properties he had and Fetterman had a secret, which we will talk about right after this quick, quick break.

00:28:48.480 More with the one and only Jesse Kelly.

00:28:50.480 Fetterman is the guy who's up for Pennsylvania Senate against Dr. Oz.

00:29:02.760 And Dr. Oz has been not faring as well as Fetterman in the polls because Fetterman's pulling a Joe Biden.

00:29:08.360 He's never leaving his basement.

00:29:09.940 He's not campaigning.

00:29:10.840 The guy suffered a stroke and really hasn't been seen much at all since.

00:29:15.400 It's getting very weird.

00:29:17.920 So Dr. Oz has been calling for him to have a public debate.

00:29:21.240 Fetterman was refusing.

00:29:22.800 He's now getting shamed into one, even by the mainstream media, which is starting to get very suspicious of this guy and what his health situation is.

00:29:29.820 But table that for one second.

00:29:31.660 They're having a debate over houses like Dr. Oz is a rich guy.

00:29:36.840 You don't have a talk show like he did on the air syndicated for 20 years and not wind up a multimillionaire.

00:29:43.200 So to no one's surprise, he's got a bunch of properties.

00:29:46.120 He disclosed it.

00:29:47.580 He disclosed when he filed that he's got two homes and he's got a bunch of other houses.

00:29:52.660 Daily Beast says he's got the 10 houses total.

00:29:55.960 Dr. Oz says all the others are just things he has investments in.

00:29:59.360 He doesn't actually have other homes that he lives in.

00:30:02.420 OK, we get it.

00:30:03.800 Evil rich man is what the press is trying to say.

00:30:06.680 Well, it turns out Fetterman, he was doing OK on his own.

00:30:10.380 Fetterman's campaign was making an issue.

00:30:12.860 Out of the Oz 10 properties, turns out Fetterman owns eight, eight undisclosed.

00:30:21.260 Unlike Dr. Oz, this is via Daily Mail.

00:30:24.200 Now, they're not huge.

00:30:25.820 They're not like, you know, going to pay off, allow him to retire in style.

00:30:30.600 Apparently, the total value is one hundred and eight thousand.

00:30:33.960 But you have to disclose if they have a fair market value of over one thousand.

00:30:38.620 So he needed to.

00:30:39.740 And his team's trying to say, well, I don't know if these qualify as an investment homes.

00:30:43.920 Well, what why'd you buy him for?

00:30:45.380 Are you going to be like one for each of your future children who you don't you don't yet have?

00:30:48.720 Why'd you do that?

00:30:49.980 So this guy has the nerve knowing he has eight properties that he hasn't disclosed to come out ripping on Dr. Oz for having 10 that he has.

00:30:58.060 Well, it goes right back to what we talked about, Megan, how they're totally out of touch now.

00:31:03.300 They're not the working man party.

00:31:05.100 They pretend right.

00:31:06.240 Fetterman does this really, really well.

00:31:07.760 If memory serves me, he went to Harvard.

00:31:09.880 I do know that he was on an allowance from his uber wealthy parents until he was in his 50s.

00:31:15.660 Oh, my God.

00:31:16.280 What's he do?

00:31:16.960 What's he do?

00:31:17.400 He wears the hoodie shirt around and then the mesh shorts like he's going to go to a pickup basketball game at any moment.

00:31:24.000 A couple of extra tattoos puts in the goatee in there and actually go travels around Pennsylvania acting like he's been a steel worker his whole life.

00:31:31.960 This is not abnormal either.

00:31:33.880 All these hardcore lefty slash communist types have always done this from Lenin on up.

00:31:38.900 They're all a bunch of snobby rich kids that pretend to be for the working man.

00:31:43.060 They don't give a crap about the working man, nor do they know what he went through.

00:31:47.160 Well, that and that is similar to what they said about Joe Biden, you know, like Pennsylvania Joe Grant, Scranton Joe.

00:31:52.100 Meanwhile, kept him in the basement, kept him away from people, didn't didn't want to put him out there in the public.

00:31:57.180 And this guy has managed to avoid a public showdown.

00:32:01.360 The people are entitled to a debate.

00:32:04.280 This is a massively important position and Senate seat, and they're entitled to a debate.

00:32:08.740 And only when the mainstream media, Pennsylvania Papers and others, started to shame this guy, Fetterman, saying, just how bad was this stroke?

00:32:16.980 Why won't you debate him?

00:32:18.440 This is this is a no brainer.

00:32:20.760 Did he finally come out and say, OK, I'll do I'll do one debate.

00:32:25.900 Oz wanted five.

00:32:27.500 And The Washington Post yesterday comes out and says, you need to debate.

00:32:32.760 And it needs to be more than once and it needs to be sooner than the middle to end of October, which the paper points out.

00:32:41.440 That is well after September 19th when voters can start casting mail in ballots.

00:32:46.860 And it's short of the two debates that have been standard during all recent competitive Senate contests in Pennsylvania.

00:32:54.100 They point out that the guy receives speech therapy and they wish him a speedy full recovery.

00:33:00.520 But the lingering unanswered questions about his health, underscored by his hesitation to debate, are unsettling.

00:33:08.040 Washington Post saying this guy should release his medical records for independent review.

00:33:13.320 This is crazy where this is going.

00:33:16.360 It's brilliant where it's going.

00:33:18.100 Like you pointed out, Megan, they did the same thing with Joe Biden.

00:33:21.320 Joe Biden's not well.

00:33:22.780 I don't know why we have to dance around that.

00:33:24.220 And I'm not a doctor.

00:33:24.960 I don't know what he has.

00:33:25.940 But Joe Biden's not well.

00:33:27.460 John Fetterman's not well.

00:33:28.980 I know for a fact I talked to somebody.

00:33:30.720 John Fetterman, when he campaigns now, he gets up and gives like four to seven minute speeches.

00:33:35.580 And then there's no mingling.

00:33:37.420 And he'll give like one of those a day.

00:33:39.000 They'll prop him up there.

00:33:40.080 And he can't even do that.

00:33:41.000 I know you've heard.

00:33:41.620 I'm sure you've played all the clips.

00:33:42.900 He can't even do that.

00:33:43.760 They'll prop him up there.

00:33:44.940 He'll lose his train of thought about 90 times.

00:33:49.340 And then they'll get him off the stage.

00:33:51.040 They're hiding him.

00:33:51.780 And they should hide him.

00:33:52.680 John Fetterman had a stroke.

00:33:54.360 Strokes are very serious.

00:33:55.560 I've lost family members from them.

00:33:57.560 John Fetterman, instead of seeking a seat in the U.S. Senate, should be getting rest and therapy and getting better.

00:34:03.980 And for the life of me, this may be unfair.

00:34:06.240 I don't know why his wife doesn't step in.

00:34:08.300 This guy's going to hurt himself out there.

00:34:11.060 He needs rest and care and therapy.

00:34:13.380 But because the lust for power is so great in this daggone place, I'll never understand it.

00:34:18.860 They roll out another guy who's not physically able to do the job.

00:34:22.700 He can't talk.

00:34:23.560 He can't be a senator.

00:34:25.060 I know he's it's we got a 50 50 Senate and everybody understands how high the stakes are.

00:34:30.100 And you do have to wonder, especially with some of the statements the Democrats have made publicly,

00:34:33.980 whether they really think the ends justify the means and how well this person is or is not.

00:34:39.340 There must I agree with The Washington Post.

00:34:41.320 There must there must be more than one debate and they must happen ASAP.

00:34:45.220 This guy cannot get away with the end of October once the voting's already been underway for weeks.

00:34:51.640 That's how you get people saying stolen election.

00:34:54.020 Pennsylvania was another problem in the presidential election of 2020.

00:34:57.120 He's changing its laws in a way that a lot of us found deeply problematic to help usher in President Biden.

00:35:03.220 And now they're looking to do it again from the sound of it.

00:35:06.440 They are.

00:35:07.500 And they're going to get away with it, Megan.

00:35:09.480 You know, he's not going to agree to more debates.

00:35:11.700 Washington Post or no Washington Post.

00:35:13.840 And I can't believe that wretched publication actually put that out there and credit to him for doing it.

00:35:18.460 But that was a one off.

00:35:19.860 He's not going to do it because he physically can't.

00:35:23.120 You can try to demand and I can try to demand Washington Post can demand all day long that he do a bunch of debates and he should.

00:35:29.780 The people of Pennsylvania deserve that.

00:35:31.660 He's not going to do it.

00:35:32.980 I'm not going to run out there and play NBA basketball tonight, Megan.

00:35:36.040 You know why?

00:35:36.460 Because I can't.

00:35:37.260 It's not physically possible.

00:35:38.580 I can't do it.

00:35:39.220 I would just fall over dead in about the first minute.

00:35:41.580 The Federer is not going to debate.

00:35:43.000 He can't talk.

00:35:43.760 That's an important part of debate.

00:35:45.120 Last time I checked.

00:35:45.900 But they're banking his backers, his team is banking on Pennsylvanians being just determined to vote Democrat, that they will vote Democrat no matter what.

00:35:55.980 The state is blue enough now that they don't care.

00:35:58.360 Same way they didn't care about Biden.

00:36:00.320 And it reminds me of something, a very well-known person.

00:36:02.940 I'm not going to say his name, but he's very well-known and he's extremely successful, was telling me about New York.

00:36:07.900 He was saying, good for you for moving to Connecticut, which is just a little bit redder than New York and getting my kids out of those schools.

00:36:13.840 And he was saying all of his friends who are object to all the same things that we have just discussed, maybe not abortion, but they're they don't like CRT in the schools.

00:36:23.220 They hate the covid policies.

00:36:24.580 They don't like the government overreach.

00:36:26.180 They can see the economy is in the tank.

00:36:28.720 There's their stock profile is horrible under this president.

00:36:31.360 They see it all, not to mention the border, which we haven't touched.

00:36:33.700 Um, they cannot vote Republican.

00:36:37.600 They won't do it.

00:36:38.680 Even these people who hate the way they're being governed by this administration, state and federal in the state of New York, they they won't vote Republican.

00:36:47.100 And so the people in Pennsylvania, his Fetterman's team, they're banking on it.

00:36:51.260 Same.

00:36:52.440 You're right.

00:36:53.220 I hear this all the time that there are all these liberal elites, lefty elites, especially in the cities.

00:36:58.600 They're not stupid.

00:36:59.480 You can't send your wife down to the grocery store anymore because it's unsafe crimes out of control.

00:37:04.640 Like you pointed out, they don't want their kids learning to hate white people in school, but they, quote, can't vote Republican.

00:37:10.740 And to what I say, and I know this sounds harsh.

00:37:12.980 Fine.

00:37:13.760 Enjoy.

00:37:14.620 Live with the animals.

00:37:15.800 Enjoy it.

00:37:16.580 Stay right where you are.

00:37:18.140 Try to avoid getting stabbed every time you leave your apartment and keep voting for the same nut balls.

00:37:23.420 You get what you vote for.

00:37:24.580 My my sympathy meter is running a little bit low in these blue areas where you have these highfalutin people who complain about all the policies they vote for either wake up and grow up and make some changes or sit there and wallow with the filth.

00:37:39.400 It's your call.

00:37:39.900 My friend was saying even his friends who have moved to Florida because they want to escape the awful policies of New York are getting ready to vote.

00:37:51.900 Christ, they they won't do it.

00:37:54.820 It's like, don't you understand what that will do?

00:37:57.680 What that will bring to Florida is why you have all these states, all these signs all over Florida saying, you know, welcome to Florida from your blue state.

00:38:04.200 Remember why you moved here.

00:38:06.100 It does make me really pause about who are the bigger who has the bigger numbers.

00:38:11.640 My my Democratic friends who campaign for Joe Biden, who have now registered Republican or these diehards who people like Fetterman are counting on.

00:38:20.900 They maybe will be voting red and just not tell anybody, Megan.

00:38:25.100 I hear that a lot.

00:38:26.180 One of my good buddies lives actually in Connecticut, and he had all his friends are liberal, liberal people, every single one of them.

00:38:33.860 And he says when they get together, just very similar to your experience, they'll complain about every single liberal policy.

00:38:39.420 Everything sucks.

00:38:40.160 Everything sucks.

00:38:40.920 Biden's an idiot.

00:38:41.700 I can't believe this.

00:38:43.200 They'll say these things.

00:38:44.760 And then the second they get out of private company, they sound like some San Francisco nut job.

00:38:50.120 But that person, when they go into the polls, just because they've been telling everybody they'll never vote Republican, they just might.

00:38:56.880 They just might.

00:38:57.720 When it comes to things like your kids and your safety and things like that, those are not things you can dance around.

00:39:04.780 You and I can have a million debates on abortion, and it's not probably going to affect your life or affect my life in any way.

00:39:11.380 My kids being unsafe to travel in the city, that's very much affecting my life and something that will make me vote a certain way.

00:39:19.060 You watch, Megan, a bunch of these people are probably stone-faced liars.

00:39:23.400 Or, I mean, honestly, like companies just basically not hiring white.

00:39:28.060 Yeah, that's a problem.

00:39:29.440 It's illegal.

00:39:30.920 Like, that's actually not okay.

00:39:33.360 Like, that's the kind of thing that will motivate me at the ballot box.

00:39:35.660 Like, you need to be thrown out of office if you are implementing policies that encourage that in any way.

00:39:40.200 It is literally illegal, unconstitutional.

00:39:45.020 Speaking of unconstitutional, the law and the Senate.

00:39:48.920 If we have another Supreme Court vacancy, they have to go through the U.S. Senate.

00:39:52.280 It's one of the reasons why these Senate contests are so important, because they can up or down these nominations.

00:39:58.080 You know, it's not just getting the president's tap.

00:39:59.940 You've got to get the Senate to approve you.

00:40:01.340 And we have some news this week on the Supreme Court leaker, Jesse.

00:40:09.460 If you're not a total Supreme Court geek like my team and yours truly, you might have missed it.

00:40:14.780 But two justices of the court have come out and said they expect this thing to—

00:40:20.640 Well, Justice Gorsuch said he thinks it's going to wrap up soon.

00:40:24.800 And Elena Kagan said she was expecting to be briefed, I think, this month.

00:40:28.740 So we may—I mean, wrap up—Gorsuch, like, wrap up soon.

00:40:33.160 Okay, that means they know something.

00:40:36.780 And they're not certain whether it's going to be made public.

00:40:40.660 But you tell me, can this body get away with determining who did it and when and why

00:40:46.840 without telling America who leaked that Roe v. Wade dobbs?

00:40:52.160 It was the reversal of Roe v. Wade.

00:40:54.440 They shouldn't get away with it, but they will.

00:40:56.860 And that was one of those things that really woke me up, Megan, to one of the major problems

00:41:01.560 that people aren't seeing right now in the legal profession.

00:41:04.500 It's—everyone knows the DOJ's crap right now.

00:41:06.980 Criticize the FBI.

00:41:08.080 Everyone knows these things.

00:41:09.800 But I remember watching a video recently.

00:41:11.960 My buddy, Ilya Shapiro, is a real sharp guy.

00:41:14.520 He had—he was hired at Georgetown.

00:41:16.280 Then they kind of ran him out of Georgetown.

00:41:18.000 And he went to speak at Georgetown.

00:41:20.340 Now, this is Georgetown, right?

00:41:21.620 It's not some crappy community college like I went to.

00:41:23.820 This is Georgetown.

00:41:24.540 And he goes to Georgetown in the law school.

00:41:27.340 And he goes to speak.

00:41:29.080 And instead, the students all got up and chanted and shouted him down like rabid little animals

00:41:35.500 so he couldn't speak.

00:41:36.820 Just vile little human beings.

00:41:38.900 But again, we're not talking about some dog meat school.

00:41:41.960 These kids are all going to go be prestigious lawyers.

00:41:45.720 They're going to be judges.

00:41:48.220 They're going to clerk on the Supreme Court.

00:41:51.360 People do not understand the real Marxist strain that is leaving law school now and going into

00:41:58.500 not just law, the highest levels of law.

00:42:01.940 You're mad about a Supreme Court leaker now.

00:42:03.780 I'm mad about a Supreme Court leaker now.

00:42:05.580 Brett Kavanaugh almost got killed.

00:42:07.760 This is not a one-off.

00:42:09.820 This will be the norm in the future.

00:42:12.160 Look, you can only work with what they give you.

00:42:14.840 You can only work with whatever the law schools are giving you.

00:42:17.180 If the most elite law schools are sending you vile little beasts, well, those are the

00:42:22.360 people who are going to be in the Supreme Court.

00:42:24.320 This is not a one-off, Megan.

00:42:25.480 You watch.

00:42:25.900 It's coming.

00:42:26.640 More of it.

00:42:27.780 All right.

00:42:28.380 On the subject of elites coming out of these white shoe colleges and private schools and

00:42:34.280 so on, that brings me to Taylor Lorenz, the Washington Post reporter who just continues

00:42:39.660 to make headlines for the wrong reasons, she once again has gone back to Libs of TikTok,

00:42:46.820 demanding that Libs of TikTok, a woman who runs the site, comment on yet another one of

00:42:51.300 Taylor's stories.

00:42:52.320 I mean, she's obsessed with Libs of TikTok.

00:42:54.200 That's very clear.

00:42:55.600 And as this became a story, people started to search through her little Twitter feed,

00:42:59.380 Taylor Lorenz.

00:42:59.980 They're like, what's wrong with this person?

00:43:01.080 Well, like, seriously, something's wrong with her.

00:43:02.480 She's obsessed with this site.

00:43:04.300 She thinks all the problems in the world are being caused by Libs of TikTok.

00:43:06.700 And that led my team and me and many others on the Internet to find her latest distress

00:43:12.960 is now.

00:43:14.200 Do you remember the sobbing segment she did on MSNBC, Taylor Lorenz?

00:43:17.260 Oh, yes.

00:43:17.760 Where she was.

00:43:18.240 Yes, I sure do.

00:43:19.940 Romina line.

00:43:20.980 Oh, we have it because we always have it.

00:43:22.340 Here it is.

00:43:22.720 It's just for those of you who missed it.

00:43:24.040 Sot 14.

00:43:26.380 I've had to remove every single social tie.

00:43:29.800 I had severe PTSD from this.

00:43:31.960 I contemplated suicide.

00:43:33.520 It got really bad.

00:43:34.500 You feel like any little piece of information that gets out on you will be used by the worst

00:43:41.120 people on the Internet to destroy your life.

00:43:43.460 And it's so isolating and terrifying.

00:43:48.260 It's horrifying.

00:43:51.480 I'm so sorry.

00:43:53.400 It's really hard.

00:43:56.560 Oh, my God.

00:43:57.860 That was a horrible Morgan Radford of NBC doing the interview.

00:44:00.680 And now Taylor Lorenz is even worse.

00:44:03.760 And all three of them had a pity party for, you know, online attacks.

00:44:06.520 Hello.

00:44:07.320 And you know what?

00:44:08.520 Take a walk a mile in my shoes, sister.

00:44:12.220 It's you're fine.

00:44:13.240 It's it all comes down to how you deal with it.

00:44:15.120 But now the update is Taylor Lorenz is now she has now turned on Morgan Radford of NBC,

00:44:21.440 the one who did the interview, saying she's horrible and you should never sit with Morgan,

00:44:28.300 which I agree with.

00:44:29.240 But for different reasons, she's just a bad reporter who puts her own personal opinion

00:44:33.640 and everything.

00:44:34.740 But anyway, she says because she's not she's not somebody who can handle trauma.

00:44:39.060 And she didn't present the interview in the way that would have presented Taylor in a more

00:44:42.680 sympathetic light to the rest of us.

00:44:44.200 Jesse, Megan, when I saw that yesterday, I saw her go after the reporter who was spoon.

00:44:49.900 I mean, that was a friendly that was the definition of a friendly interview, right?

00:44:53.100 That was that they were buddies at the time.

00:44:54.980 I honestly, for the first time, because Taylor Lorenz is just horrible.

00:44:58.220 I'm just just she's the final boss of the liberal white women.

00:45:01.240 It actually I did have a minute where I felt bad for I really genuinely felt bad for she's

00:45:06.820 almost 50 years old.

00:45:08.440 We're not talking about some 13 year old girl who can't handle the pressure, doesn't know

00:45:12.560 who she is yet.

00:45:13.460 We have no idea how old she is.

00:45:14.900 That's why it's funny.

00:45:16.500 Yeah, she's almost 50 or she might be 50 by this point in time.

00:45:21.200 If you're still an unhinged lunatic, that sensitive when you're 50 years old, frankly,

00:45:27.180 you've been cheated by a lot of people in your life.

00:45:29.900 I don't know what her background is, but you didn't have the dad you needed, the mom you

00:45:34.040 needed.

00:45:34.500 When you're 50 and you're an absolute nutball like that, there is a lot of people that took

00:45:40.920 part in making you that kind of lunatic.

00:45:46.200 The thing so funny about it is, and we're not being insensitive to her initial tears.

00:45:51.100 It's the fact that she's upset.

00:45:52.880 The media said nasty things about her because of stuff she does.

00:45:56.780 They put the things, the personal things about you on the internet.

00:45:59.620 That's what Taylor Lorenz does to everyone.

00:46:02.800 And then when people say, hey, how do you like it?

00:46:05.140 She's like, ah, the trauma, the trauma.

00:46:08.620 And people would feel sorry for me if only NBC had reported it correctly.

00:46:13.840 She's one of the people who feels as if the world should revolve around her feelings at

00:46:19.440 all time.

00:46:20.220 We've become a nation like this, really, of feelings.

00:46:22.780 It's about feeling a lot.

00:46:23.700 That's offensive.

00:46:24.360 I'm offended.

00:46:25.260 I'm offended.

00:46:25.800 That's offensive.

00:46:26.700 Think of a crap.

00:46:27.380 If you're offended, that shouldn't matter at all.

00:46:29.300 But we've placated these people for far too long, and we've given them far too much

00:46:33.580 power in this society.

00:46:35.080 It's true.

00:46:35.540 I've told this story before, but my little guy, Thatcher, when he loses, you can see

00:46:40.080 the tears well up, like if we play a board game or whatever, and he needs to get past

00:46:43.340 that.

00:46:43.700 I mean, just as a human, never mind as a growing man.

00:46:46.640 And I'm like, Thatcher, we need to get past this.

00:46:48.760 No more crying because you've lost.

00:46:50.500 So we were playing chutes and ladders, and that game can have some big disappointments.

00:46:55.220 You're almost at the top, and then boom, you're down at the bottom.

00:46:58.280 And I saw his little face, and I saw the tears well up, and I said, are you crying?

00:47:02.660 And he goes, I'm trying not to.

00:47:05.740 I'm like, Good boy.

00:47:07.260 You got this, buddy.

00:47:08.500 Good man.

00:47:10.720 Somebody needed to do that with Taylor Lorenz.

00:47:13.460 Jesse, always a pleasure.

00:47:15.540 Megan, see you soon.

00:47:17.780 My poor guy.

00:47:19.100 I got to do it.

00:47:20.160 Parents, you understand, right?

00:47:21.600 Have you ever done that with your kids?

00:47:22.560 There's no crying.

00:47:23.640 You can't cry when you lose a game, boy or girl.

00:47:26.720 Our next guest once championed leftist views and Black Lives Matter talking points.

00:47:37.820 Today, she passionately espouses conservative values to her hundreds of thousands of followers

00:47:43.600 on social media and calls Dennis Prager, a friend of ours too, America's grandpa.

00:47:50.000 I love that.

00:47:51.200 I'm going to call him that when he comes on next time.

00:47:53.020 Amala Epinobi is host of Unapologetic Live, and she joins us now.

00:47:59.000 Welcome, Amala.

00:47:59.620 Great to have you here.

00:48:01.020 Thank you so much for having me, Megan.

00:48:02.960 I too love Dennis Prager.

00:48:04.660 Isn't he brilliant?

00:48:05.980 Oh, he's just, like I said, America's grandpa.

00:48:08.760 And the way that he speaks on the radio is the way that he talks to everybody.

00:48:12.060 And he's just such a man who's full of wisdom.

00:48:15.380 Yeah, it is.

00:48:16.060 Everything he says you want to listen to, you're like, oh my God, if I tune out now,

00:48:18.720 I might miss the most important thing I otherwise would have heard of my life.

00:48:21.860 That's right.

00:48:22.980 He's a life-altering person.

00:48:25.000 He's got that gift.

00:48:26.380 All right.

00:48:26.540 Now, speaking of life-altering, I list all those things in your intro.

00:48:29.980 And tell us how old you are.

00:48:31.540 I'm 22.

00:48:32.840 You're a baby.

00:48:34.040 So you have gone through all this at a very young age.

00:48:36.940 And just like reading up on what you've written and watching some of your videos,

00:48:41.560 like this girl's brilliant.

00:48:42.420 You've learned a lot in your 22 years, especially when it comes to culture and our politics.

00:48:51.020 So how did that start?

00:48:52.500 Yeah.

00:48:52.960 So I grew up in a single-parent household.

00:48:56.480 My mother raised me and my two other siblings.

00:48:59.080 And she just happens to be a very radical leftist.

00:49:01.680 I always say that with the caveat that my mom is a fantastic mother, so I don't want to disparage

00:49:06.760 her in any way, but her politics are questionable.

00:49:10.100 And from a really young age, I was this young biracial girl who was raised by a white mother

00:49:16.520 who happened to be an activist who was fundraising for the political left.

00:49:21.120 And she thought she was doing something compassionate and sort of telling me,

00:49:25.500 hi, you know, you're a Black woman in this country.

00:49:28.380 That's how people view you.

00:49:29.460 That's who you are.

00:49:30.340 And because you were born a Black woman, there's going to be barriers placed in front of your

00:49:34.660 success.

00:49:35.360 And these are barriers that I would like to see go away, but we have to work to make them

00:49:39.320 go away.

00:49:40.260 So as young as eight years old, I was super cognizant of that, even though it might not

00:49:45.560 have been the reality.

00:49:46.400 It was my reality.

00:49:47.760 And I was just an angry individual who wanted to do something.

00:49:51.900 And that became activism for me.

00:49:54.460 So what kinds of causes did you activate on?

00:49:58.560 Sure.

00:49:58.900 So as soon as Parkland happened, I was 17, turning 18 at the time, I immediately jumped

00:50:05.580 into the March for Our Lives movement and ended up doing a speech at the March for Our

00:50:09.220 Lives rally in Orlando.

00:50:11.400 Subsequent to that, I graduated high school and I told my mom, you know what?

00:50:15.660 I don't want to pursue higher education.

00:50:17.500 I need to do the work.

00:50:18.520 I want to become a youth organizer.

00:50:20.340 And I got hired at her organization at 17 years old, far before I was ready to go out and

00:50:26.420 be talking about these issues.

00:50:27.800 I wasn't educated enough at all, but they sort of threw me in because it was trendy at

00:50:32.320 the time to put young people into activism.

00:50:34.820 We were the future faces of America.

00:50:37.060 So I worked on every left-leaning campaign you can think of, anti-Second Amendment stuff,

00:50:43.300 women's rights, protesting, the fight for 15, anything you can think of, I was working

00:50:48.480 on.

00:50:49.480 Wow.

00:50:49.660 We have a little bit of that speech that you mentioned on the Second Amendment issue after

00:50:53.960 Parkland.

00:50:54.460 Here it is, Sot 16.

00:50:55.940 The rate of death by gun homicide for black and brown people exceeds those among white

00:51:00.880 people in all 50 states.

00:51:02.560 We need to start to mend this disparity by declaring all gun violence unacceptable and recognizing

00:51:08.300 the fact that this nation's criminal justice system is based on racism and systemic oppression.

00:51:13.760 Wow.

00:51:16.140 You certainly sound like a true believer.

00:51:18.700 Oh, yeah.

00:51:19.320 It's cringe to hear that right now.

00:51:21.260 But at the time, I had every talking point in the book ready for you.

00:51:25.900 And even though I couldn't truly back up the views head to head in a debate, I would have

00:51:31.200 certainly hopped on a stage in front of, I don't know, tens of thousands of people and

00:51:35.400 just spewed that stuff out.

00:51:36.420 But it's almost like when I see that version of you, and then, of course, I've spent a

00:51:40.980 lot of time listening to you in the buildup to today, it's almost like there's been a

00:51:44.580 deprogramming.

00:51:45.660 You know what I mean?

00:51:46.220 Like, forgive me for comparing it to this because it's not the same, but in a way, like

00:51:50.000 if you have a child who you know is not trans but gets swept up in the trans craze and suddenly

00:51:54.140 your daughter's like, I'm a boy, I'm a boy.

00:51:55.680 You're like, you're not a boy.

00:51:56.600 And you never said you were a boy.

00:51:57.640 You're not really trans.

00:51:59.080 And then you have to do a deprogramming.

00:52:00.820 You know, Abigail Schreier writes about you.

00:52:02.200 You got to go out of town.

00:52:03.200 You got to get rid of the social media.

00:52:04.400 You got to take away the phone.

00:52:05.240 And you could get your daughter back, potentially, if you get these influences away from her

00:52:10.260 that are sort of messing with her thinking.

00:52:13.220 I almost feel like you went through your own deprogramming.

00:52:15.260 So how?

00:52:15.800 How did that phase come?

00:52:17.440 Yeah.

00:52:17.860 So, you know, I don't like to use such strong language, but it really is true.

00:52:22.980 I did go through a deprogramming process and there was a lot of sort of cult-like behavior

00:52:27.140 that I was invested in at the time.

00:52:29.040 And I worked for this organization for about a year.

00:52:32.640 And eventually, I just started to notice a lot of hypocrisy.

00:52:36.800 I had a moment where we were in a meeting.

00:52:40.580 And in these meetings, we do community agreements where we sort of agree on guidelines and rules

00:52:45.980 that we're going to follow before the meeting starts.

00:52:48.240 You know, things like say your pronouns before you get to talking and make space for the most

00:52:53.840 oppressed people in the room to speak.

00:52:55.440 And I had a fellow employee of mine go up and start talking about the community agreements

00:53:01.080 for the day.

00:53:02.100 And she made the statement that the white, cisgendered, heterosexual people in the room

00:53:06.700 should just shut up because they've had their time.

00:53:10.260 History has favored them.

00:53:11.640 They don't need to speak anymore.

00:53:12.720 And they don't have a place in the conversation.

00:53:15.140 And I had heard a lot of rhetoric like that before, but something about it struck me.

00:53:19.440 And I remember just sitting in a room full of people, many of whom were white, who were nodding

00:53:24.280 their heads in agreeance with this.

00:53:26.340 And I thought, this can't be the right thing.

00:53:29.840 I'm going to work every day with these people, hearing this rhetoric and going home to my

00:53:34.920 white family, family, my grandparents specifically, who were, you know, sort of your typical Fox

00:53:40.740 News conservatives and still are to this day.

00:53:43.600 And I thought they loved me.

00:53:45.420 They've taken care of me my entire life.

00:53:47.260 There's no way these people are evil, racist.

00:53:50.220 I'm their biracial granddaughter.

00:53:52.000 What are you talking about?

00:53:53.000 And I confronted them with the hypocrisy that I was witnessing and was told that I just

00:53:58.860 didn't know how oppressed I was and was forced out, much like what happens when people in

00:54:04.240 cults start to question what's happening to them.

00:54:06.960 Wow.

00:54:07.600 So how did you feel that, that you were forced out?

00:54:10.060 Like, did they ostracize you?

00:54:11.700 What happened?

00:54:12.960 It was hard.

00:54:14.460 I had kept trying, you know, to come forth with questions.

00:54:17.800 This doesn't seem right.

00:54:18.880 The way we're treating this person is far different to how we would treat somebody if they were

00:54:22.780 part of a marginalized group.

00:54:24.520 And I just kept trying to chip away at different people who were surrounding me.

00:54:28.420 And I was scared to do so.

00:54:30.340 And I started to think, why am I so scared?

00:54:32.440 I agree with these people on most things.

00:54:34.740 And I just have a few questions.

00:54:36.540 Why am I scared to come forth with those few questions?

00:54:38.820 And, and I realized that I was in a space where skepticism was not allowed.

00:54:44.800 You had to agree with everything or you were not a part of the group.

00:54:48.040 And that's what happened at every turn.

00:54:50.140 When I had a question, I was shoved away.

00:54:52.160 I was told I didn't understand the message.

00:54:54.200 I was told that I needed to do the work, not that they needed to have answers to my questions.

00:54:59.020 My goodness.

00:55:00.140 I mean, I've certainly been on the receiving end of that kind of messaging as a white woman.

00:55:03.220 And it takes some balls for somebody who is white to say it to somebody who's biracial.

00:55:08.640 Right.

00:55:09.300 You would think that they would think twice about that, but not at all.

00:55:12.740 No.

00:55:14.020 Wow.

00:55:14.640 So what of that?

00:55:15.720 So, so you said, all right, I don't like this group and I don't like their message.

00:55:19.160 So then what?

00:55:19.900 Because this is actually kind of reminding me of Dave Rubin, who I'm sure, you know, he,

00:55:23.200 he tells a similar experience.

00:55:25.260 He used to be a part of the Young Turks, which is also far left.

00:55:28.680 And he tells a story about how he was sitting around one day, like, everyone's racist.

00:55:32.800 Like everywhere, every single person who you disagree with is racist.

00:55:37.460 He kind of had a light bulb go off.

00:55:38.980 Like, maybe I'm being spun by these people.

00:55:41.520 Maybe this is like an ideology and not fact-based.

00:55:44.000 So that was your first aha moment.

00:55:46.340 Then what happened?

00:55:47.740 You know, I ended up leaving the organization because I just had a super horrible life working

00:55:54.740 there.

00:55:55.040 I was constantly depressed and angry, searching for injustices day in and day out.

00:55:59.540 And I left and I thought, you know what?

00:56:00.740 I want to do something less polarizing.

00:56:02.280 And I ended up getting a job at a medical clinic working in allergy.

00:56:06.200 And I thought, okay, no more politics for me.

00:56:08.420 And in one day I started, you know, thinking I'm going to go find answers to these questions

00:56:13.440 that I had.

00:56:14.400 And I was going to the internet to actually research policing in America.

00:56:18.880 I thought police were systemically racist.

00:56:21.060 There was no way you were going to convince me otherwise.

00:56:23.260 And I ended up finding a PragerU video titled Cops are the Good Guys when I was searching

00:56:27.940 for this.

00:56:28.340 And I thought, this is going to be the most racist video I've ever seen in my life.

00:56:32.260 Lick it.

00:56:32.940 And in an effort to reinforce what I believe, I ended up finding somebody who completely

00:56:39.180 shattered my idea surrounding that.

00:56:41.580 And I thought, okay, I'm going to have to look inside myself and admit that I was wrong

00:56:47.260 on this one.

00:56:48.040 And it begged the question, you know, what else could I possibly be wrong about?

00:56:51.880 And I went down this rabbit hole, ended up finding Dave Rubin and a particular interview

00:56:57.760 that he did with Larry Elder, where his ideas on systemic racism got shattered.

00:57:01.960 I'm sure you're familiar.

00:57:03.400 Iconic.

00:57:04.360 It's an iconic video.

00:57:06.080 And I'm sure it's changed so many people's lives in watching that.

00:57:09.200 I saw that.

00:57:10.320 I found Tom Soule.

00:57:11.360 I, of course, found Dennis Prager.

00:57:13.000 And it was like, oh, I was in the wrong here.

00:57:16.640 I think I need to start viewing things a little differently.

00:57:18.480 It is wonderful when you hear somebody speak sense to be like, ah, oh, it's like scratching

00:57:25.760 an itch.

00:57:26.160 It's like, I get it.

00:57:28.180 You know, you've been trying to believe this other thing that people have been telling you.

00:57:31.320 You're like, no, I know that this other thing is true, but I feel a little off about it.

00:57:35.480 It doesn't totally make perfect sense.

00:57:37.060 And then when you hear somebody who can explain it differently and it has a totally different

00:57:42.120 worldview and it works for you, it's such, it's like an escape.

00:57:45.460 Like, yes, thank you.

00:57:46.920 Right, right.

00:57:47.700 It was wonderful and earth shattering at the same time.

00:57:51.040 I mean, I went through a sort of semi-devastated process of, oh, no, I've believed this since

00:57:59.020 I was eight years old.

00:58:00.380 I dedicated so much of my time throughout middle school and high school just being miserable

00:58:05.100 and making political speeches on things that I knew nothing about.

00:58:09.300 And then I graduated and dedicated so much time to it.

00:58:12.280 And I thought I could have been so much more fulfilled in my life.

00:58:16.100 I could have viewed my place in the world so differently.

00:58:19.560 And I'm just lucky that I caught it sooner rather than falling deeper into that path.

00:58:26.000 Yeah, that's, it's incredible.

00:58:28.660 It's real credit to you, to both your humility and your confidence at the same time, right?

00:58:33.900 Being humble enough to say I was wrong, but being confident enough to say I was wrong and

00:58:38.820 I can handle that and I can choose a different path for myself.

00:58:41.560 That's your parents.

00:58:42.660 Definitely.

00:58:42.840 Your mom definitely did something right with you.

00:58:44.960 Now, I do worry.

00:58:45.780 I worry about if I am too opinionated with my young daughter, when she hits the rebellious

00:58:53.800 stage, am I setting her up to go join all these crazy things that I abhor and that I've

00:58:59.800 been speaking against?

00:59:01.360 Can I ask your thoughts on that as somebody who's closer to her age than you are to mine?

00:59:06.040 Yeah, I mean, I think there is some truth to what you said, Megan.

00:59:08.580 And I think that when you, anytime you try to impose a belief system on anybody, there

00:59:14.080 is going to be that part of them that wants to rebel no matter who they are.

00:59:18.420 And I found that what my grandparents did was some of the most successful, you know,

00:59:24.240 parenting and role modeling that one could do.

00:59:26.640 They never imposed their political beliefs on me.

00:59:29.460 I only knew that they were conservative because when I went to their house every day for dinner,

00:59:33.580 Fox News was playing in the background and they'd nod their heads and watch.

00:59:36.880 But much of their conservatism and their values just shined in the way that they led their

00:59:41.880 lives and they're happy and fulfilled people.

00:59:45.160 And I found that when I just made the turnaround for myself without them ever telling me anything,

00:59:49.400 I realized they influenced my life and my thinking so much in just being who they were and being

00:59:56.280 confident in their values without having to say anything about it.

00:59:59.640 And I think, uh, to my, to my mother's probably dismay, a lot of her pushing the values on

01:00:06.820 me is what made me sort of, uh, more open to hearing other perspectives.

01:00:11.240 Yeah.

01:00:11.660 Right.

01:00:12.260 Right.

01:00:12.840 Well, I do try not to push, but you know, it's like, obviously you discuss world events.

01:00:16.080 It's like, I've got, I got some thoughts.

01:00:17.540 Um, as anybody listens to the show would tell you, um, you, you said something important.

01:00:23.640 You, when you got out of the sort of cult slash leftist organization, and I unknowingly

01:00:29.000 have been in a couple of cults in my life.

01:00:30.460 I really, I believe that about myself too.

01:00:32.320 We don't know until you're out.

01:00:33.660 We don't know until you're out.

01:00:34.680 But, um, you did something that was seemingly mundane, but probably actually really important

01:00:40.500 to your evolution.

01:00:41.860 You got a job at some sort of medical facility, facility you said, right?

01:00:46.540 Yep.

01:00:47.300 So the thing that I think is so important about that is don't you think, uh, you know,

01:00:52.740 it's a little, every hammer sees everything is a nail.

01:00:56.420 Like if you immerse yourself in sort of gender studies or, you know, African American history

01:01:01.800 as your major in your life or whatever it is, everything starts to take on a certain worldview.

01:01:07.120 And if you're spending all your time working on identity politics as like a, as an activist,

01:01:11.900 you're just going to get immersed further and further.

01:01:14.000 And I'll just give you one stupid example.

01:01:15.660 But back when I was a practicing lawyer and this massive case, uh, we represented Bridgestone

01:01:20.880 Firestone, the tire company.

01:01:22.480 And I had this several month trials and NHS trial involving retreaded tires, not sexy, not

01:01:30.640 sexy.

01:01:31.080 But I knew so much about tires and retreaded tires, you know, like little tire shards that

01:01:35.920 you see on the highway.

01:01:36.900 And you're like, what's that?

01:01:37.980 My God, what's the, how did that happen?

01:01:39.300 And well, I started going down the highway.

01:01:41.580 Like I was like, that's, that's a retread.

01:01:44.160 That one's going to come off.

01:01:45.220 That's a region.

01:01:45.860 That's a Michelin.

01:01:46.640 That's a Bridgestone.

01:01:47.760 That's like, I'm like, why the hell am I thinking about tires?

01:01:51.520 So I need to like extract myself from this world.

01:01:54.960 And that's half the battle.

01:01:55.980 You've extracted yourself.

01:01:57.260 You busied yourself.

01:01:58.760 You had a job you had to do that required you to deal with real problems.

01:02:03.240 And you didn't have all that time to think about this other stuff.

01:02:06.240 Right.

01:02:06.760 And in that job, I, in the medical field, I was meeting so many people.

01:02:12.400 My job was to go and do patient intake and just learn about their lives, learn about the

01:02:16.680 problems that they were facing, their marriages, things like that.

01:02:19.240 And I was meeting so many people of different backgrounds, which is something that I was

01:02:23.220 not getting in my previous job.

01:02:25.180 It was like an ideological fortress, essentially, where I was just meeting the same person with

01:02:31.760 the same values over and over and over again with the same worldview.

01:02:36.140 And at the time, I mean, every cross look was, was racism.

01:02:39.760 Every man that was a little too confident was, you know, patriarchal and a misogynist.

01:02:44.800 And I stepped outside of that and started meeting all these people who were, you know, Republican

01:02:49.980 or classic liberals or centrists.

01:02:52.120 I'm realizing, oh, well, all of these people are really good people and they're treating

01:02:55.340 me very well.

01:02:56.180 And the sort of conservative boogeyman that I created in my head died instantly in doing

01:03:02.940 that work.

01:03:03.560 And my entire worldview was able to be reformed.

01:03:06.760 And then there was a period you referenced it a second ago, like a sadness for what you'd

01:03:13.380 been believing as a young biracial girl for so long about yourself, about your country,

01:03:19.400 about your chances.

01:03:20.580 Can you talk about that?

01:03:22.680 Yeah.

01:03:23.040 So I grew up in a rural, conservative, very religious white area in Florida.

01:03:30.500 And because of the narrative that had been spun for me, I thought that everybody was truly

01:03:35.840 out to get me.

01:03:36.700 If that if I didn't advocate for myself at any given moment, that was the end of it

01:03:40.760 for me.

01:03:42.060 And, you know, when when you view the world, like you said, through a certain worldview,

01:03:47.200 everything can be negative.

01:03:49.680 And I, although was was very successful in this area, I mean, I was top of my class.

01:03:55.780 I ended up graduating valedictorian.

01:03:57.380 I got a good job at the age of like 14 or 15 was doing really well.

01:04:00.800 So I even with all that going on, I could have been this super happy person.

01:04:04.720 But instead, I was just held down by this worldview that, you know, I was succeeding

01:04:09.180 despite the barriers set in place.

01:04:11.440 And so many other people are not going to get that.

01:04:14.120 And because of the perspective that I was raised with, I got robbed of just leading this fulfilling

01:04:20.140 life where I could really walk confidently throughout the world.

01:04:23.100 And I didn't have to worry about the way that people were looking at me and judging me.

01:04:26.900 I would have been, I think, a much more confident young woman.

01:04:31.520 Oh, this I'm thinking about Jason Riley, who writes for The Wall Street Journal, and he

01:04:35.140 wrote the book, Please Stop Helping Us.

01:04:37.180 He's in a biracial marriage and they have two daughters and they were going to this Tony

01:04:41.680 private school.

01:04:42.720 And he's talked about how the school kept trying to take these young, beautiful, brilliant

01:04:48.100 girls and make them go to the affinity group and make them go to this thing.

01:04:51.720 And then all these race based programs.

01:04:53.440 And the girls were like, I kick ass at math.

01:04:56.440 Where's the math club?

01:04:57.500 I want advanced math.

01:04:58.720 And I want that's what if I want to do something after school to school, that's what I want.

01:05:01.520 Something that's going to challenge my brain and help me develop a useful skill.

01:05:04.780 And they were like, you sure you don't want to come over here to, you know, whatever the

01:05:08.680 club was.

01:05:09.460 It was driving Jason and his wife, Naomi, insane.

01:05:12.920 And ultimately, the daughters, they pulled them from that school.

01:05:15.700 Right.

01:05:15.880 But it's like many, many people of color, biracial families, you don't have to be biracial to

01:05:23.260 have had this same experience, this sort of light bulb moment of, I don't want my race

01:05:26.740 to be the main thing about me.

01:05:29.380 Right.

01:05:29.880 And they teach you that, you know, this is going to be a problem unless people like you

01:05:35.000 do something about it, which is the truly nefarious part of that, although probably

01:05:39.400 unintentional.

01:05:40.220 I thought that I couldn't go down another path, that I had to come and face this, or

01:05:46.100 else, you know, nothing was going to happen.

01:05:48.260 And I even had the worldview that, you know, it's not going to happen in my generation.

01:05:51.620 So I'm going to sacrifice my time and my energy and all of my emotions to this.

01:05:56.520 So the future generations can benefit from the work that I'm doing now.

01:06:00.040 And to have that worldview and just say, you know what, this is the box I'm going to place

01:06:04.080 myself in.

01:06:05.100 And this is the work that I have to do because this is the world that we live in.

01:06:08.020 It's such a negative thing.

01:06:09.600 So when I hear about stories like, like Jason Riley's and the critical race theory that's

01:06:14.480 now being taught in our public schools, I'm just viewing all of those little children

01:06:18.400 as, as little me's and the pathway for that sort of teaching is straight to activism.

01:06:24.280 It's straight to throwing away your life to something that is not going to benefit you.

01:06:28.380 So what do you do when you see, you know, I confess it at our one school today, we just

01:06:34.560 got the first email, like, hi, I'm the new DEI director.

01:06:37.540 And it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, I have the reaction of like, where's this going?

01:06:44.380 What, what, what are they?

01:06:45.780 And I know, I don't want to have that reaction.

01:06:48.460 But the DEI programs have been so dangerous and, and damaging at the other schools we've

01:06:53.380 been at.

01:06:53.720 I'm very suspicious of where it's going to go.

01:06:55.640 And I feel the need to like pay very close attention to this.

01:06:58.440 So what do you, what, what do you think I should do?

01:07:01.660 And what do you think parents should do?

01:07:02.660 And what would you do in a situation where this rears its head and people feel like, okay,

01:07:08.260 I got to buy into this.

01:07:09.280 Otherwise I'm a bad person.

01:07:10.340 I mean, I would constantly just be checking in on the curriculum and what's being taught

01:07:15.620 in school.

01:07:16.020 I know it's a tough thing to do to sort of impose yourself in your kid's life and what

01:07:19.260 they're learning in school.

01:07:20.320 But at, at this moment with everything going on, I think it's something that does need to

01:07:24.480 be done.

01:07:25.080 So I'd be constantly checking in, you know, what sort of information are they learning?

01:07:29.320 Where is it coming from?

01:07:30.740 And if it, it does turn out to be negative, I'm, I'm going to raise hell about it.

01:07:36.520 I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

01:07:38.340 I will be there to say something and I will find the person who's responsible and have

01:07:42.120 a conversation with them.

01:07:43.220 I mean, it doesn't have to be something that's, that's filled with anger, but to truly come

01:07:47.860 up to them and say, you know, this can have a truly negative impact on your child.

01:07:51.600 And if they're not willing to make a change in, in what they're teaching them, I think moving

01:07:55.580 your child as far away from that sort of teaching as you can is the best option.

01:08:00.400 So do you, in the way that like the converts to whatever religion become their biggest

01:08:05.440 advocates, do you, do you try to go back and get people over?

01:08:10.100 You're like, come on, come on in.

01:08:11.820 The water's fine.

01:08:12.860 You're, you're good.

01:08:13.740 Come over to the other side.

01:08:15.760 Yeah.

01:08:16.040 You know, when this new show that we've created and that we're now doing the podcast for,

01:08:21.060 I am just trying to be super open.

01:08:24.460 And I think one of the worst things for me was finding conservative people who were just

01:08:31.280 screaming, you know, I'm a lion and you're a sheep and you're indoctrinated and your brain's

01:08:36.120 messed up and you're stupid.

01:08:37.040 And I could have never been like that.

01:08:39.000 So I try to approach conversations and you know what, with what you're seeing right now,

01:08:43.500 I totally understand why you feel the way that you feel.

01:08:46.300 Can I offer you a different perspective on this?

01:08:49.700 And even if it doesn't change your mind, I would at least love to know that you're asking

01:08:53.700 yourself some of the questions that I have.

01:08:56.280 And I found that so many people in my life tried to get through to me when I was, you

01:09:04.180 know, in, in that radical stage.

01:09:06.460 And the questions that they asked me that I got super defensive about at the time that

01:09:11.340 I wasn't willing to answer, that I called them a racist or a bigot for, they did stay in

01:09:15.580 my mind.

01:09:16.100 And as I progressed and as I grew, grew more mature, those questions popped up.

01:09:21.740 So it doesn't have to happen right then and there.

01:09:24.160 So long as they've listened and you sort of left that there, I'm sure it will, it will

01:09:28.000 circle back as the Jen Psaki would say.

01:09:30.420 So who, okay, circle back.

01:09:32.220 So who, at least Jen Psaki would say extemporaneously, unlike Karine Jean-Pierre, who would have to read

01:09:37.040 it.

01:09:37.200 I'm going to, hold on, it's here some, oh, circle back.

01:09:39.380 Okay, I got it.

01:09:40.100 So who are some, you mentioned Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, like who were you reading?

01:09:46.180 Who are you listening, Dennis?

01:09:47.720 Who, who are your biggest influences and sort of learning more about this and another way

01:09:51.800 of thinking?

01:09:52.920 Yeah.

01:09:53.320 Tom Sowell was the biggest impact on me a hundred percent.

01:09:58.920 I, I found him and watched one video where, where he was talking and I just saw in him

01:10:06.500 a person that was not driven by bias, was seemingly undriven by emotion and was just looking at

01:10:15.060 questions as anybody should, you know, with, with a critically thinking eye and with objectivity

01:10:20.360 and going, you know what, I'm going to follow this path to wherever it leads me.

01:10:24.040 And where it leads me is what I'm going to show to the world.

01:10:26.740 And I saw one video of him talking and I thought I need to know more.

01:10:30.660 And I watched more and more and more and ended up purchasing his book, discrimination and

01:10:35.380 disparities.

01:10:36.440 And when I read that, I just could not believe that this was not information that everybody

01:10:43.380 was, was given in having these conversations.

01:10:46.520 And now that he's what almost in his late nineties, I am just wondering who's gonna, who's

01:10:52.000 gonna pick up the torch.

01:10:53.400 It's terrifying.

01:10:54.480 He's our queen.

01:10:55.920 He really is.

01:10:57.240 We're in denial about the fact that there's any sort of end of life happening for Thomas

01:11:01.780 Sowell.

01:11:02.760 No, he is, he's life-changing.

01:11:04.120 And when you start to listen to him, you start to read him.

01:11:05.980 I mean, he's the opposite of a life of grievance.

01:11:07.860 And like Glenn Lowry, he's an economist, right?

01:11:10.360 It's like some of these great intellectuals have come out saying, okay, I get that there's

01:11:14.740 this other narrative, but like I deal in actual numbers and facts that are knowable,

01:11:19.180 right?

01:11:19.380 It's knowable.

01:11:20.020 And it's, I'm sure it's no coincidence.

01:11:22.400 I asked Glenn about this, that, you know, some of these great thinkers wound up rejecting

01:11:26.440 this messaging saying that you're not being factual.

01:11:29.320 That's stuff you say about whatever, black housing or, you know, the economy or black

01:11:33.780 wealth.

01:11:34.040 There are other reasons for that that are knowable besides race.

01:11:38.900 Anyway, let me shift gears with you for a second, because something else that's interesting

01:11:42.140 about you is because obviously we've talked about the race thing, but you're also a very

01:11:46.660 young woman.

01:11:47.820 And there are so many women your age who are way closer to the Taylor Lorenz approach to

01:11:53.840 life than to yours, where it's like, oh, for me, I have a thousand illnesses that I just

01:12:01.260 looked up on the internet.

01:12:03.180 And I love being a victim.

01:12:05.640 Victim gives me class status and, you know, gets me snaps.

01:12:09.180 And I know you're not against.

01:12:10.680 I mean, I listened to enough of you to listen to know that you don't believe in that either.

01:12:14.640 So what do you make of what's happening with young women in their 20s and this stuff today,

01:12:19.860 or as in Taylor Lorenz case, possibly almost 50, maybe almost 40.

01:12:24.020 I have no idea.

01:12:25.760 Yeah, Taylor Lorenz is, oh my gosh, what a basket case in many ways.

01:12:30.900 And I think what's happened is a lot of young people don't have meaning in their lives.

01:12:35.880 And we are in a generation that is super high tech and meant to be globally connected.

01:12:42.880 But in that connection, we've become very superficial human beings who don't know what to value and

01:12:49.180 we don't know what to fight for or fight against.

01:12:53.880 And I think what has happened now is that oppression has become currency in a lot of ways.

01:12:59.960 You really, like you said, you gain a class and status in having some sort of oppressive

01:13:05.280 factor about yourself, whether that is a mental health issue or a new sexuality or a deviation

01:13:10.920 from your sex.

01:13:13.660 And people are taking that up.

01:13:16.780 And I did that.

01:13:18.180 I was somebody who fell for that exact narrative.

01:13:21.800 And it's because it gives you something to fight for.

01:13:24.340 It gives you something to fight against.

01:13:26.360 And it gives you this perceived meaning in your life.

01:13:30.640 And it's really self-regulating.

01:13:33.180 I call it self-regulating victimhood.

01:13:34.860 Once you are convinced that you're a victim, the only thing you want to do is talk about it

01:13:38.540 day in and day out and convince other people that they are also part of this club that

01:13:42.480 you're in.

01:13:43.280 And you couple that with social media and a direct incentive to be vocal and vulnerable

01:13:49.900 about these things.

01:13:50.780 And you're in for a mess with young women.

01:13:53.500 Hmm.

01:13:54.260 I do wonder, you know, I grew up in the 80s when I had the Cold War and then we had 9-11.

01:13:58.880 It's like we had real problems from the outside of this country that we were afraid of, that

01:14:04.160 we were scared of.

01:14:05.420 And I wonder, you know, like if we found ourselves in another massive world war, if we,

01:14:10.880 I don't know, had something like what if Putin was pointing that nuke at us instead of

01:14:15.100 potentially at Ukraine?

01:14:16.600 Do you think it would change the way these people are obsessing over things that we know

01:14:21.400 do not matter?

01:14:23.420 You know, I would hope.

01:14:25.060 I thought when the COVID-19 thing first happened, I mean, when we were in the early days of this,

01:14:30.620 when everything was sort of mysterious and we were all sitting in the fog, I thought

01:14:34.580 maybe this is something that's going to be unifying in the end.

01:14:37.580 Maybe this is a serious struggle that we're all going to have to get together and work

01:14:41.520 together against.

01:14:42.660 And that sort of fizzled out and it became politicized and it became just another polarized

01:14:46.780 problem.

01:14:47.320 I don't know that if, you know, Russia was after us or China was after us, that we would

01:14:52.680 be able to set aside those differences and get over it.

01:14:57.040 But I would hope that there just becomes a stage of such devastation that we start to

01:15:03.620 look at each other as humans rather than political parties or certain labels.

01:15:09.600 And I would think if something like that happened, we would be able to set that aside.

01:15:14.500 But I would also hope that it wouldn't take something like that and that we just, you know,

01:15:19.200 be wishing for a nuke.

01:15:20.780 That's not where we want to go.

01:15:22.980 Right.

01:15:23.600 And I, you know, I'm optimistic.

01:15:25.220 I like to think that this way of thinking is not sustainable.

01:15:27.880 Like it can only get so crazy before everybody realizes this is not the way that we live.

01:15:34.000 But I don't know.

01:15:35.540 I know.

01:15:36.160 Or at least we can rely on like federalism where we can just create states where normalcy

01:15:41.800 can still exist and all the looms who want to live in this other world, weird world can

01:15:46.380 go to their states.

01:15:47.360 That could be the next step.

01:15:48.560 All right.

01:15:48.760 Stand by.

01:15:49.480 Can I squeeze in a commercial break?

01:15:50.580 Much, much more with Amala coming up.

01:15:55.220 The folks over at The View making more stupid news again today.

01:16:00.040 I'm sorry.

01:16:00.540 The show, it's the worst show on television.

01:16:02.640 I do not understand how it still has an audience.

01:16:05.360 Sunny Hostin, you know, who like used to be kind of normal.

01:16:09.400 She wasn't obsessed with race at every turn.

01:16:11.460 I used to be on in my very young years as a cub reporter at Fox, the O'Reilly factor with

01:16:16.280 her.

01:16:16.520 And she wasn't she wasn't this way.

01:16:18.040 She's gotten swept up to in any event, her latest comment is we will never be unified

01:16:24.260 as a country unless we have a racial reckoning, a racial reckoning to address 400 years of

01:16:30.120 oppression.

01:16:30.520 Here she was the other day.

01:16:33.000 We came together as a country because it was a foreign adversary.

01:16:36.860 Yeah, that is why I think it's it was an act of foreign terrorism.

01:16:41.480 And so we felt like, how dare you come to our country and harm us?

01:16:47.240 The biggest threat to our country today says the FBI's director is white supremacy and domestic

01:16:54.500 terrorism.

01:16:56.040 Merrick Garland said the biggest threat to our democracy is white supremacy and domestic

01:17:01.120 terrorism.

01:17:02.000 How do you come together when it's homegrown terror?

01:17:05.360 And we have never addressed why there is that issue that remains in this country 400 years

01:17:14.360 later.

01:17:14.740 And until we get to that, until we have accountability, we are not, I don't think,

01:17:21.100 ever going to be able to come close.

01:17:24.960 What do you make of it?

01:17:26.740 I mean, just notice how there's no elaboration on that.

01:17:29.280 What does a racial reckoning truly look like to you?

01:17:31.800 Because we've been through the Civil Rights Act and Jim Crow is gone.

01:17:35.080 We are legally all equal.

01:17:37.100 The criminal justice system that they use to substantiate their claims about systemic

01:17:40.880 racism, debunked policing, debunked.

01:17:44.320 We have affirmative action that's been going on for nearly or a little over 50 years now

01:17:48.620 in this country.

01:17:49.920 Where is the racial reckoning necessary?

01:17:52.820 Where is it that we as a society need to be uplifting and helping black people that we

01:17:57.960 haven't already done?

01:17:59.080 And she she never elaborates on that.

01:18:01.040 It's just beautiful, pretty words.

01:18:03.020 That sounds like there's something we need to get behind and fight for.

01:18:06.060 And they mean nothing.

01:18:07.380 Mm hmm.

01:18:08.140 I really I have a genuine fear that this type of attitude is going to create racism where

01:18:15.100 it was dying in the United States.

01:18:17.220 It wasn't eliminated, but it was dying.

01:18:18.700 I don't think you can just keep looking around at white people and saying you have to pay

01:18:24.480 reparations.

01:18:25.300 You have to make up for what these slaveholders did.

01:18:27.800 You know, your kid can't go to the college and the Asian people can't go to this college

01:18:31.220 or whatever you like because every spot has to be used to make up for sins that you had

01:18:35.220 nothing to do with.

01:18:36.160 But you benefit from because you're part of the patriarchy.

01:18:38.720 You're part of this.

01:18:39.140 I don't think you can have that system sustained for very long without creating real resentment.

01:18:44.520 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:18:45.760 I think we're getting more and more devices of divisive along the lines of race here in

01:18:49.700 this country.

01:18:50.560 I mean, we're seeing a couple of lawsuits that are going to hit the Supreme Court this

01:18:53.480 year of Asian Americans suing universities because they're not getting into university

01:18:58.020 at the same standard or level as as people of color.

01:19:01.420 And if we continue down this route, especially with the demonization of white people, honestly,

01:19:06.500 in the next 50 years, we're going to see another civil rights movement that's based on white

01:19:10.940 Americans and Asian Americans.

01:19:12.540 It's ridiculous to me.

01:19:14.240 And as much as they try to speak about unity and about coming together and about getting

01:19:20.080 rid of the divisiveness that we're all facing right now, they are fueling it like no other.

01:19:25.220 Mm hmm.

01:19:25.760 Yeah.

01:19:26.200 I mean, segregated dorms and, you know, like you go to camp at certain colleges now.

01:19:31.420 And like the white people don't live with the black people.

01:19:34.060 And this is how is this progress?

01:19:36.200 This is deeply disturbing.

01:19:38.020 And what goes on in those dorms while you only have one color group sitting with one

01:19:43.180 color group?

01:19:44.020 You know, what are they thinking about the others is like back in my day melting pot

01:19:48.420 and you didn't think about color because it was like you had every color represented.

01:19:52.560 It was just like, are you a douchebag or aren't you?

01:19:55.200 Right.

01:19:55.900 It's really about your morals, your values, who you are as an individual.

01:19:59.560 And we've gotten so lost in in our definition of what it means to be an individual.

01:20:04.660 I've been filming some TV shows recently where they're bringing on, you know, these left leaning

01:20:08.620 experts to defend their side in the way that they view identity and individualism is simply

01:20:14.780 ridiculous.

01:20:15.280 Saying things like your race, your gender, your sexuality are what make up who you are as

01:20:20.560 a person.

01:20:21.020 That is who you are.

01:20:22.160 It's it's amazing to me that we've managed to allow these ideas to sort of fester and

01:20:28.360 grow for so long.

01:20:29.320 Now, so many people have just reduced themselves down to these three or four superficial characteristics,

01:20:35.480 and they think that that makes them as a person.

01:20:40.260 It's so sad.

01:20:41.900 Meanwhile, we have debates like this one, which is in the news today about the Little Mermaid.

01:20:45.700 I don't know if you saw this, but the Little Mermaid is now coming out with a new version

01:20:50.700 and not to not to confuse the audience.

01:20:54.180 The young actress playing the Little Mermaid is not Holly Berry.

01:20:58.460 It's not Holly Berry.

01:20:59.780 It's it's Holly.

01:21:02.300 Hold on.

01:21:03.280 Let me get her name.

01:21:04.440 I'll find Holly Bailey.

01:21:06.820 It's hard.

01:21:08.120 Holly Bailey.

01:21:08.700 Um, so Holly Bailey is a person of color and the Little Mermaid is going to be a person

01:21:15.780 of color in the new version.

01:21:17.680 This is the Disney.

01:21:18.780 Uh, they just released the trailer for their newest live action remake and people are losing

01:21:23.840 their minds.

01:21:25.020 Okay.

01:21:25.400 So there are a lot of people who are mad that they've changed the race of the Little Mermaid

01:21:29.580 who was indeed originally white.

01:21:32.700 Uh, I didn't even know this was written originally written by Hans Christian Andersen in 1836, but I

01:21:38.620 guess he said that this is a white character.

01:21:41.960 Um, and some people feel like you shouldn't change the race of the character.

01:21:45.980 Other people say it's just a shitty trailer and we don't like the way she looks bad.

01:21:50.200 It doesn't look like she's underwater.

01:21:52.120 You know, she's supposed to be a mermaid.

01:21:53.740 Uh, but this has turned into a debate because we're having this ongoing argument about whether

01:21:58.340 somebody who is white can voice the part of a black character or play the part of a biracial

01:22:04.060 character.

01:22:04.560 And the answer has been hard no over the past two or three years.

01:22:09.260 Um, and this is somebody who is a person of color playing what I guess was meant to

01:22:13.840 be a white role.

01:22:15.560 What do you make of it?

01:22:16.700 I mean, let's, let's, let's switch this narrative on its head and say, what if you did that to

01:22:21.760 a black Disney princess, like princess Tiana?

01:22:24.220 What if we come out with a trailer in a few months that is princess Tiana being played by

01:22:27.840 a white person?

01:22:28.560 What is the reaction that we're going to get?

01:22:29.980 And it's going to be a wicked reaction from the political left over the switching of that

01:22:35.680 character.

01:22:36.280 It seems as though we can only do these things as a one way street.

01:22:39.960 Black characters can play white characters.

01:22:42.080 And I believe Ariel is based in some sort of Danish history, even though she is a mermaid,

01:22:47.260 which is not, not a real thing.

01:22:48.600 But if you're going to, if you're going to get upset about, uh, these things, uh, when,

01:22:55.860 when we talk about white people playing, playing black characters, hold the same energy when

01:23:00.360 a black person is casted as a white character, it's either open for all or open for none.

01:23:05.920 And that's something that people don't seem to understand because we pity people of color

01:23:10.460 in this country.

01:23:11.060 We view them as an oppressed and lower class.

01:23:14.520 And in, in, in viewing them that way, we think it's okay for them to do whatever they

01:23:18.960 want, but you can't do it the other way around.

01:23:21.240 But the, what they're saying is, okay, that's, it's different because black people are a marginalized

01:23:26.660 group.

01:23:27.260 And so they need, they need more opportunity.

01:23:29.940 Whites had all the rules forever from time immemorium that were like other, you know, the

01:23:35.140 way black people were portrayed was less than for much of our Hollywood film history, which

01:23:40.220 is true.

01:23:41.080 Um, so they're basically saying we have to equal out the scales.

01:23:44.260 We have to try harder now to, for black representation.

01:23:47.300 And Disney's answer is to show a bunch of black girls seeing the trailer, like, Oh, that's

01:23:53.660 her.

01:23:54.300 That's her.

01:23:54.980 We have a black princess, you know, which that melts your heart.

01:23:58.360 And you say, okay, we do need black representation.

01:24:00.540 And then people say, yeah, but it doesn't have to be in a, in a traditionally white role.

01:24:03.760 I don't know what the answer to this one is.

01:24:05.640 What do you think of that?

01:24:06.620 Sure.

01:24:07.160 You know, I, I don't have a particularly strong opinion on, on the little mermaid in particular.

01:24:12.140 I think that's good.

01:24:14.020 That's because you're normal.

01:24:15.380 You know, if I felt super strongly about that, I might need to get my head checked a

01:24:19.120 little bit.

01:24:20.020 Um, but Disney, Disney has all the power in the world to create a, a black character.

01:24:25.640 And, you know, if I, I know a lot of people talk about representation and how important

01:24:29.640 it is, and it is a very cute thing, but, but think about how much of a privileged position

01:24:34.020 we are in to be talking about the representation of people in, in Hollywood and in cartoon characters

01:24:39.420 and in, in, in, in Disney movies, I get that it's important.

01:24:42.200 We can also teach our kids that even though you don't see somebody who looks exactly like

01:24:46.540 you doesn't mean you can't be that thing doesn't mean you can't achieve.

01:24:50.320 And that's a lesson we should be teaching.

01:24:52.180 And in this whole representation movement that we're going in right now, black people are

01:24:57.220 actually overrepresented in media.

01:24:59.660 There's about the black people make about 13% of the U S population.

01:25:03.860 I believe recent stats on how many black characters there are on TV show them at about 40%.

01:25:09.020 So we are overcorrecting, uh, in a way that is just blatantly obvious to people.

01:25:14.800 And again, it's going to fuel racial division.

01:25:17.120 You do not fix past discrimination with current discrimination.

01:25:20.980 You simply even the playing field and allow everybody to participate.

01:25:24.800 That's exactly the opposite of how Ibram X.

01:25:27.100 Kendi feels.

01:25:27.660 I mean, literally exactly the opposite of what he's espousing and everybody's reading in the

01:25:31.780 military and in school and so on.

01:25:34.120 While we're on the subject of Hollywood, I would be remiss if I did not spend a minute on Jimmy

01:25:37.740 Kimmel.

01:25:38.600 He's now pissed people off because I guess the Emmys were the other night yet another

01:25:43.700 ceremony that I never watch.

01:25:45.260 These went back in my day again.

01:25:47.360 Uh, these used to be big.

01:25:48.420 People used to watch the Oscars and the Emmys and all this stuff.

01:25:50.540 They don't watch them at all anymore.

01:25:51.900 And I'm one of them who never does, but he hosted them, I guess.

01:25:55.560 And there was an actress named Quinta Brunson, who was a creator and lead actress of ABC's

01:26:01.640 hit show Abbott Elementary, who was accepting her award for best writing for a comedy series

01:26:07.160 at the Emmys.

01:26:08.500 And he was, I guess, continuing some bit he'd been doing throughout the night about like

01:26:12.600 him being drunk or him being out of control.

01:26:15.280 And he decided to lay down.

01:26:18.460 He laid down on the stage.

01:26:20.640 Do we have it?

01:26:21.080 Do we have a video of him doing it?

01:26:23.180 Yeah, here it is.

01:26:24.080 Watch.

01:26:24.240 Jimmy, wake up.

01:26:26.520 I won.

01:26:28.600 She's laying down right at her feet.

01:26:30.140 Okay, hold my phone.

01:26:35.680 My goodness.

01:26:42.380 So now he's getting ripped saying he stole her moment.

01:26:47.000 Forcing her to step over her body was his white privilege.

01:26:51.120 Forcing her to step over his body was his white privilege.

01:26:55.060 I mean, I'm telling you, it's like three, two, one until we get the Jimmy Kimmel apology

01:26:57.900 for doing this.

01:26:59.160 What do you make of that?

01:27:01.220 Again, if you view the world through the lens of racism, it's what you're going to see it

01:27:04.560 everywhere that you look.

01:27:06.420 And it's so funny because people are so quick to react to these quick little videos that

01:27:11.000 they see or the headlines that they read.

01:27:12.740 If they did any looking into the relationship between Jimmy Kimmel and Quinta Bronson, they

01:27:17.580 would know that he is one of the people who helped her launch her career.

01:27:20.980 She appeared on his late night show.

01:27:23.620 It was one of the first late night shows that she ever appeared on.

01:27:26.060 And he subsequently helped her along the way, said she's an amazing and brilliant comedian,

01:27:31.740 loved her writing, loved her show.

01:27:33.860 It's probably one of the main reasons she even received that award.

01:27:37.520 And we live in a world now where comedy can't simply be comedy.

01:27:41.900 There's always some sort of microaggression behind it.

01:27:45.080 Now, would I ever get on a stage when somebody's accepting probably the most major award of their

01:27:49.760 life and lay at their feet?

01:27:51.300 No, but it would be wrong of anybody of any race to do that.

01:27:54.600 And it has nothing to do with some sort of racist undertone.

01:27:57.940 Yeah.

01:27:58.480 If you want to go after Jimmy Kimmel for racism, you should pull up his blackface sketches from

01:28:03.540 not that long ago while he was in a fat suit as Oprah in blackface talking about how he needed

01:28:09.460 to darn socks.

01:28:11.020 We can talk about Jimmy Kimmel's racism, but I don't think that particular instance was an

01:28:15.100 example of it.

01:28:16.360 Let's talk about women, because I know Dennis had a provocative piece, as he always does.

01:28:20.500 It's one of the things we love about Dennis is he gets us thinking.

01:28:23.120 And you liked it and had some thoughts on it, too.

01:28:25.340 And what he was saying was, we've got to talk about our women problem, that women, he writes,

01:28:31.960 are disproportionately hurting our country.

01:28:33.700 And he talks about how young boys, they have a propensity towards physical aggression and

01:28:38.760 predatory sexual behavior sometimes.

01:28:41.300 And if left to those devices, they will wreak havoc.

01:28:45.980 Therefore, raising boys to control their natures is fundamental to society, avoiding chaos.

01:28:49.840 Then he says, over the course of a lifetime, Howard, I've come to realize that while society

01:28:53.980 was right about males, it's been wrong about females and that girls, too, need to be raised

01:28:59.100 to control their natures and, in particular, to control their emotions.

01:29:04.420 He looks back on Drag Queen Story Hour and schools and these activist groups that sucked you

01:29:10.080 in.

01:29:10.680 And he says, guess who runs virtually all of those?

01:29:14.000 Women.

01:29:15.320 You know, he's not wrong.

01:29:16.280 No, he's not.

01:29:18.360 And I actually read that and I thought, Dennis, let's expand on that a little bit.

01:29:22.100 I mean, all of the racialization is, by and large, led by women.

01:29:27.000 BLM is founded by women.

01:29:29.840 You've got the body positivity movements and the pro-obesity movement, really, that is largely

01:29:35.020 led by women.

01:29:36.320 Transitioning of children led by women.

01:29:37.960 Critical race theory in the schools led by women.

01:29:39.940 A lot of the destruction and the woke-ifying of Hollywood led by women and this new introduction

01:29:45.680 of pushing female writers.

01:29:47.460 There is a laundry list of things that we are contributing to.

01:29:51.940 And although I will say, you know, the aggression and assertiveness that men have to deal with

01:29:56.640 and sort of channel and harness in their lives, those are emotions.

01:30:00.620 We're talking about a different set of emotions.

01:30:02.680 We're talking about sensitivities.

01:30:04.540 We're talking about women having a particular propensity to just hop on things and be ultra

01:30:10.460 sensitive and outraged and to do things in the name of compassion that can actually be

01:30:16.780 very harmful.

01:30:18.360 And I think it's an undeniable truth that he's pointed out.

01:30:21.260 But unfortunately, people don't like hearing the truth.

01:30:24.000 And sometimes it's offensive.

01:30:25.820 You know what?

01:30:26.500 And this goes back to the way I ended my discussion with Jesse Kelly, who was on in the first hour,

01:30:30.780 about how we as parents need to help our children learn how to control their emotions.

01:30:38.360 It's not like if my little Thatcher came into me crying because he, you know, broke his arm.

01:30:44.600 I'd be like, no crying.

01:30:46.200 Like, that's not what we're talking about.

01:30:49.460 Right.

01:30:49.600 But, you know, at some point, your two-year-old becomes nine and the crying at losing chutes

01:30:54.560 and ladders is no longer appropriate.

01:30:56.200 And I do think as a parent, it's your obligation to let them know what societal standards are

01:31:01.500 and how people will view you if you're overly emotional.

01:31:05.280 And it's true for boys and for girls.

01:31:08.860 Regulating emotions and understanding just because you feel upset or anger or wronged or unfairness

01:31:15.340 doesn't mean you have to act like a hysteric.

01:31:18.940 And too many of our fellow women are acting like hysterics.

01:31:24.000 Yes, we it's absolutely true.

01:31:26.040 I mean, we look at these situations and we're introduced to something.

01:31:30.060 And instead of giving it time to sort of settle, using our critical thinking skills to really

01:31:34.260 break things down, see what the motivations are behind them, see what are the possible

01:31:38.620 routes we can take, we lead with the first feeling that we feel.

01:31:42.880 I mean, take this transgender kid's hysteria that we're experiencing right now.

01:31:47.680 Your kid starts to express maybe a deviation from the typical traditional gender roles.

01:31:53.680 Your immediate emotion might be, oh, well, my young daughter is sort of acting like a boy.

01:31:59.860 Maybe maybe there's something going on here.

01:32:02.280 Let that emotion settle for a second and think about what are other reasonable explanations

01:32:07.180 for what's happening right now and head down that path.

01:32:10.060 Instead, we we lead with the anger.

01:32:12.660 We lead with the immediate emotion.

01:32:14.160 We lead with this is who they are.

01:32:16.420 And and don't give us ourselves any time for logical reasoning.

01:32:20.840 Mm hmm.

01:32:21.380 And then we talked about this earlier.

01:32:23.560 We celebrate any expression of victimhood.

01:32:26.420 So it's like it's which is closely linked to overly emotional.

01:32:30.380 Right.

01:32:30.580 We celebrate it.

01:32:31.400 It's not just that we try not to tamp it down.

01:32:33.360 We're like, yes, bring it on.

01:32:35.560 Do the tears.

01:32:36.700 It's not like we're telling the young girls to enjoy the cutting.

01:32:40.140 But that kind of propensity gets almost celebrated now.

01:32:44.620 Like we get it.

01:32:46.040 Life is so hard.

01:32:47.740 It's not your fault.

01:32:49.540 It's just it's it's in a dark place.

01:32:51.660 And I thought Dennis's observation about like, what role do we women have?

01:32:55.260 We talk about the guys.

01:32:56.120 The guys are the ones committing all the crime.

01:32:57.860 That's true.

01:32:58.460 The violent crime.

01:32:59.120 We have a role, too, and perhaps being a little bit tougher on checking our emotional

01:33:04.180 our emotional instincts could do our society and ourselves well.

01:33:09.320 Amala, please come back.

01:33:10.540 It's been a pleasure.

01:33:11.940 Thank you for having me.

01:33:12.980 I'd love to be back.

01:33:14.580 You're amazing.

01:33:15.400 And good luck with the show.

01:33:16.860 And hopefully we'll be seeing a lot more of you.

01:33:19.260 Thank you so much, Megan.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 14, 2022

Out of Touch Elites, and Oppression as a Currency, with Jesse Kelly and Amala Ekpunobi ｜ Ep. 391

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