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00:00:56.080 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:00.320 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:04.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:11.880 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:13.360 Wow.

00:01:13.900 Do we have a big show for you today?

00:01:15.640 News is breaking all over the world.

00:01:18.380 Last night we were trying to put AM update to bed.

00:01:20.960 Late.

00:01:21.360 We opened it up after this horrific murder of Rob Reiner.

00:01:26.160 The early reports were that two bodies had been found.

00:01:29.560 We had that in the script.

00:01:30.540 Then it came out, indeed it was Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle.

00:01:33.380 Then we reopened the script to put that in.

00:01:35.780 Then it came out that they'd been stabbed.

00:01:37.380 We reopened the script to put that in.

00:01:39.480 Then it came out that they'd been stabbed by their son, according to People Magazine.

00:01:43.560 Then we put that in.

00:01:44.260 Then the LAPD held a useless fucking press conference.

00:01:48.260 Useless.

00:01:49.480 Useless.

00:01:51.000 Useless.

00:01:52.180 And we had to open up the script again just to point out that they were denying the report

00:01:56.860 about the son.

00:01:58.100 And while all this was happening, the main story in our AM update was completely reversed.

00:02:05.180 We were talking about the person of interest who was in custody over the Brown mass shooting

00:02:08.580 that happened over the weekend, and the idiots over in Providence talking about that at the

00:02:14.720 presser announced that that guy was not a person of interest.

00:02:18.980 The guy they had in custody for a day was not a person of interest after all.

00:02:23.440 Oh, but there's absolutely no reason to be concerned.

00:02:26.560 There's a murderer roaming the community who's shot a dozen people, but you're good.

00:02:33.800 Just fucking fall on your sword at that point.

00:02:35.920 Just come out and say, we got it wrong.

00:02:40.340 We're doing our best.

00:02:41.940 It's somewhat chaotic.

00:02:44.100 Here's what we're going to do to keep you safe.

00:02:46.100 All students should go home immediately, right?

00:02:49.320 Like, there actually is cause to shelter in place.

00:02:53.280 We don't know whether this person has been on a bus or a plane leaving the area or whether

00:02:58.560 he means to cause additional carnage.

00:03:00.360 What's wrong with people?

00:03:02.100 He was the Providence mayor.

00:03:03.200 He was utterly unimpressive.

00:03:04.640 As were you, deputy LAPD commissioner.

00:03:08.760 Don't have a presser just to come out and say, flippantly, by the way, so flip this guy

00:03:14.020 was.

00:03:15.080 Nope.

00:03:15.440 No information.

00:03:16.720 Don't.

00:03:17.260 Nope.

00:03:17.740 We're not going to tell you who it is.

00:03:19.140 Even though the family of Rob Reiner is literally at that moment.

00:03:22.660 And his wife, Michelle Reiner, releasing a statement saying we're devastated to announce

00:03:26.380 that they're both dead.

00:03:27.580 And the, and the deputy police commissioner, oh, police chief.

00:03:32.360 Nope.

00:03:32.660 Not going to tell you.

00:03:33.680 You're going to have to wait for the coroner to come out.

00:03:35.740 Not confirming anything.

00:03:37.300 Nope.

00:03:38.060 Doesn't mean anything.

00:03:39.480 Doesn't.

00:03:39.920 Not going to tell you how they died.

00:03:41.480 Not going to tell you who found them.

00:03:42.760 Not going to tell you whether anybody's in custody.

00:03:44.500 Meanwhile, I was watching Fox at the time and there was a former FBI agent on who lives

00:03:50.940 in LA and lives in this neighborhood and had her own sources there.

00:03:53.760 And she was saying they've got somebody in custody.

00:03:55.920 I mean, they, they knew.

00:03:57.200 And he, look, law enforcement has got to do better.

00:04:00.960 This is all part of the breakdown that we have in these, the relationship and the trust

00:04:04.900 with these authorities.

00:04:05.660 I really actually think we can get past person of interest turned out not to be the person.

00:04:12.880 I think we can get past it, but it has to require utter blatant transparency and honesty,

00:04:18.620 but I'm not going to lie.

00:04:19.700 It's not good.

00:04:20.680 It's not good that our friend Cash Patel tweeted out.

00:04:23.240 They have a person of interest in custody and kind of patting themselves on the back when

00:04:27.360 it wasn't the guy.

00:04:28.120 None of this is good.

00:04:28.920 I'm not trying to argue otherwise, but I do think if you're going to get past those issues,

00:04:32.660 just total transparency is required total in any event.

00:04:38.220 Okay.

00:04:38.400 We'll get to all this.

00:04:40.340 Rob Reiner is dead.

00:04:41.520 He was such an accomplished man.

00:04:45.120 I don't, I don't even think of his politics when I think of Rob Reiner.

00:04:48.220 You get there eventually, but I think of his immense talent as an American icon in the movie

00:04:52.940 industry.

00:04:53.600 Who, like who that's of a certain age doesn't remember him as meathead on Archie Bunker.

00:05:00.180 He was young, Michael Stivick.

00:05:01.840 He married Gloria.

00:05:03.500 He drove Archie crazy with his liberal politics, which would wind up being kind of funny too,

00:05:08.380 just because it was true to life for Rob Reiner.

00:05:10.140 The arguments those two would have politically would be a harbinger of things to come in our

00:05:15.400 country.

00:05:16.140 And frankly, of the rest of Rob Reiner's life in that lane, arguing with people who disagreed

00:05:20.440 with him.

00:05:20.760 He was very passionate about politics, but what did he do?

00:05:24.160 He, he directed some of the best films in American cinema from Stand By Me, which by the

00:05:32.880 way, there's a report out today that when Stephen King, because it was based on a short

00:05:36.200 story by Stephen King, when Stephen King saw Stand By Me, he was motionless.

00:05:40.600 He was immobile in the screening room because he had never seen one of his films brought

00:05:45.720 so powerfully and effectively to life as Stand By Me.

00:05:49.640 And you don't even think about Stand By Me anymore because it was so many years ago.

00:05:52.160 Jerry O'Connell, who played like a little chubby kid, who was more like kind of geeky.

00:05:58.320 Well, they were all a little geeky, but in that film, sent out a beautiful tweet about

00:06:03.720 how great Rob Reiner was to him on the set.

00:06:05.940 I mean, Rob was like a father to him at that point.

00:06:09.100 Jerry's my age.

00:06:10.180 And Rob, as of last night when he died, was 78.

00:06:14.860 His wife, Michelle, 68, found dead yesterday in their home in Los Angeles.

00:06:21.000 TMZ reporting that their throats had been slit.

00:06:24.180 We're going to get into the details with Emily Jasinski in one second.

00:06:28.200 For now, the headline is that their 32-year-old son, 32, Nick, is in custody.

00:06:33.180 Bail set at $4 million.

00:06:34.420 It's not enough.

00:06:35.100 I got to be honest.

00:06:36.260 I don't know that he's got any of his own money.

00:06:38.620 But obviously, the family had a lot of money, and I don't know that he can access it.

00:06:42.420 I don't know what his assets are, but that number better be so high that he cannot access it.

00:06:48.300 Over in Australia, you've heard a father and son duo responsible for an anti-Semitic mass

00:06:56.340 shooting Sunday targeting a Hanukkah event on Sydney's Bondi Beach.

00:07:02.360 15 are dead, over 40 reported wounded.

00:07:05.400 We're seeing videos that are too graphic to show, and we're actually still working to confirm

00:07:09.680 that they are from Bondi Beach.

00:07:11.900 But if they pan out, it's like an apocalyptic scene of just dead body after dead body.

00:07:18.700 On a beach, a beach is like, you associate it with joy and vacation and family and sandcastles.

00:07:28.720 I mean, we're a long way from Omaha Beach.

00:07:30.540 It's not still the first memory that comes to mind.

00:07:34.240 And just to see, I mean, because of course, Australia, it's summer there.

00:07:37.500 They're all taking their summer vacations.

00:07:40.280 And just to see the carnage, even in the videos that have been verified, is shocking.

00:07:45.400 And to see the number of minutes that these two shooters were taking aim at civilians-like

00:07:51.480 target practice without police or a good guy with a gun taking a shot at them, it's painful.

00:08:01.620 It's excruciating.

00:08:03.680 Because there are videos on X showing it.

00:08:06.700 Especially what I believe is the dad.

00:08:08.220 The reports are the dad was on the top of the bridge.

00:08:09.980 The son was underneath the bridge shooting.

00:08:11.940 And you could see the dad.

00:08:13.600 It looks like he's just got a free-for-all on all these people down below who, I mean,

00:08:20.160 I don't know.

00:08:21.460 I want to know more.

00:08:22.360 Because how could the shooting have gone on for that long?

00:08:24.180 How could the murders have gone on for that long when people were in an open area of a

00:08:29.200 beach?

00:08:29.600 It wasn't, they were not, you know, trapped, as far as I know.

00:08:34.840 But he kept finding them.

00:08:36.680 And now 15 dead, over 40 reported wounded.

00:08:39.100 We're starting to learn more, too, about the terror ties of the alleged shooters.

00:08:45.780 Okay.

00:08:46.400 First, though, this is crazy.

00:08:48.180 What is just a crazy news day?

00:08:50.480 I was saying to Doug that the morning, the AM update felt like an episode of Dateline.

00:08:54.760 There was so much death and destruction in it.

00:08:57.240 And all for, like, different and equally disturbing reasons.

00:09:02.900 There is a manhunt underway right now in Rhode Island.

00:09:06.740 And frankly, it has to be beyond Rhode Island because nobody knows where the killer is.

00:09:13.580 After a gunman killed two and wounded nine, while students were in a final exam review at

00:09:21.580 Brown University Saturday afternoon.

00:09:23.900 Police on Sunday detaining, well, it was, I think it was, began on Saturday into Sunday,

00:09:31.060 a 24-year-old person of interest.

00:09:33.240 That was Kash Patel's term in his tweet.

00:09:36.320 But as we told you in this morning's AM update, authorities announced in a hastily arranged press

00:09:41.100 conference late last night, it was after 11, that he was to be released because, quote,

00:09:46.840 evidence now points in a different direction.

00:09:48.780 They were making clear it's not him.

00:09:50.680 They were making clear they had the wrong guy.

00:09:52.580 Officials are now asking anyone who has video of the shooting or the shooter to hand it over

00:09:59.340 and saying that they are still relying on the single, we're showing it now, video previously

00:10:05.740 released of the suspected gunman.

00:10:07.380 For the listening audience, it's a man, medium-sized build, all dark clothing, turning a corner on

00:10:12.620 what appears to be a little campus block with a hat on, walking fairly briskly, not suspiciously

00:10:20.880 briskly, and then heading out of screen.

00:10:23.080 There's really nothing about him of note other than I'd say he's probably got a little bit

00:10:27.740 more weight, like heft to his body than your average, like, slender 19-year-old.

00:10:36.700 And so I have no idea how old he is.

00:10:38.160 I'm just saying that's the average age of, like, your college student.

00:10:39.980 And I don't know whether he is a college student.

00:10:41.260 Nobody does.

00:10:42.660 Now, despite the fact that a mass murderer is still on the loose, no additional shelter-in-place

00:10:49.940 order has been issued, nor are the Providence authorities particularly bothered by the fact

00:10:57.540 that they lifted the shelter-in-place order while the shooter was clearly still a threat

00:11:03.260 because they did not get the right person of interest in custody.

00:11:06.780 Here's the Democrat Mayor Brett Smiley last night.

00:11:10.860 We want to inform the community that that individual will shortly be released from Providence

00:11:18.400 Police.

00:11:20.660 We know that this is likely to cause fresh anxiety for our community.

00:11:26.340 Ever since the initial call, now a day and a half ago, we have not received any credible

00:11:32.360 or specific threats to the Providence community.

00:11:35.560 And so the status of safety in our community remains unchanged, and we believe that you remain

00:11:44.340 safe in our community.

00:11:47.860 Okay.

00:11:49.420 He was actually defending himself last night.

00:11:53.760 A reporter asked him, you know, what?

00:11:56.900 Like, the shelter-in-place was lifted.

00:11:59.900 That's not good.

00:12:01.160 You didn't actually have the guy.

00:12:02.340 And he was like, well, it was the proper thing to do, and I know that because there have

00:12:07.360 been no additional shootings since Saturday.

00:12:10.380 Oh, oh, okay.

00:12:12.280 Great.

00:12:13.420 Good to know.

00:12:13.980 That's like when John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the D.C. snipers, were still on

00:12:19.800 the loose.

00:12:20.400 No, I know you're still, you're safe because there have been no additional shootings since

00:12:24.980 the one on Saturday at the Home Depot.

00:12:27.280 Okay.

00:12:27.580 Tell that to the dozens of people who were yet to be shot as they went on a reign of terror.

00:12:32.920 What kind of a boneheaded statement is that?

00:12:35.880 To me, that is a politician who's worried about one thing, his ass, his lily white ass,

00:12:44.100 which none of us cares about.

00:12:46.360 No one.

00:12:47.240 Be honest.

00:12:48.400 Just own it.

00:12:49.760 Just say it.

00:12:50.820 You know, in retrospect, that it was too soon.

00:12:56.180 And if I were that mayor, frankly, I'd be like, we fucked up.

00:12:59.100 We trusted the FBI.

00:13:00.180 That's what I'd be saying.

00:13:01.500 I mean, that's how these things typically unfold.

00:13:03.500 And the FBI is going to say whatever it's going to say.

00:13:05.260 But why is he pretending it was all fine and good?

00:13:09.660 Look, part of my anger is I'm just, I'm just mad at the news cycle.

00:13:13.060 I'm mad that these kids are dead trying to study for their final exams.

00:13:17.900 This sweet young vice president of the college Republicans, Emma,

00:13:24.340 who had everything going for her, reportedly shot in the classroom.

00:13:28.740 Well, not reportedly.

00:13:29.440 She was shot dead in the classroom.

00:13:31.920 She's one of the two who were killed.

00:13:34.380 And there are questions about whether she was a target.

00:13:36.580 There's zero evidence so far that this is politically motivated,

00:13:39.840 you know, other than her, Ella Cook is her name.

00:13:42.500 I'm sorry, other than the fact that she was vice president of the college Republicans,

00:13:45.920 but zero evidence to show that the shooter knew that.

00:13:49.460 The other young man who was killed, I believe, was an immigrant from Uzbekistan.

00:13:57.500 Yeah.

00:13:58.000 And we've seen pictures of him, you know, for what it's worth.

00:14:02.460 He's brown skinned, like that's not, it doesn't line up.

00:14:06.800 Nothing lines up, you know, like to a political motivation right now.

00:14:10.920 Just wait and see.

00:14:11.880 All of that will come out.

00:14:13.100 I believe eventually they'll get the person and we'll see.

00:14:17.340 But my point is simply, I'm being harsh on the authorities because I'm pissed off about the

00:14:20.720 shooters and this guy's still at large.

00:14:23.700 You know, amazingly, he's still at large.

00:14:26.880 And look, we're in, we're in the Northeast.

00:14:29.500 We're in New England.

00:14:30.460 And I don't know where this guy is and clearly neither do the authorities.

00:14:35.840 Here to react to all of it and more is Emily Jashinsky.

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00:16:16.800 Emily, welcome back.

00:16:17.820 Great to have you.

00:16:18.900 Thanks for having me, Megan.

00:16:19.760 What a day.

00:16:22.100 So I'm sorry, but Keystone Cops comes to mind when you look at what happened at Brown University

00:16:29.780 over the past 36 hours.

00:16:32.440 They apparently, reportedly, they actually first said that there was somebody, a person of interest

00:16:39.380 being detained or examined who was some Asian guy who had nothing to do with it.

00:16:45.960 Then there was this report on Cash's ex-feed saying, thanks to our, that the local authorities

00:16:53.280 had given him a tip about somebody staying in a hotel, that they ran it through some sort of like

00:16:57.500 cellular data analysis unit that they have at the FBI.

00:17:01.580 And that led them to this guy whose name we're not going to be reporting because he's innocent,

00:17:07.840 according to the Providence locals.

00:17:09.380 They didn't use that word, but they made clear they've moved past this guy now, moved on from him.

00:17:13.460 And his name was all over the internet.

00:17:16.040 No, the authorities didn't say it, but it was everywhere.

00:17:18.940 It didn't take long.

00:17:19.620 So clearly they were leaking it.

00:17:21.520 First, the wrong picture was being circulated by the media all over X of the guy who was the person of interest.

00:17:28.100 Then they took that guy's picture down and the proper picture went up with the person of interest

00:17:34.520 who was being questioned by authorities, but he was not, as it turns out, the guy at all.

00:17:38.580 So now two guys have been besmirched as potential mass shooters wrongly.

00:17:46.860 Only one of which I guess we can blame on the FBI and the local authorities.

00:17:50.780 We'll hear what the FBI has to say about that.

00:17:52.540 The FBI also had a big win.

00:17:53.800 It stopped a terror attack in California, which we can talk about in a minute.

00:17:58.860 But look, this one's not great.

00:18:01.500 And then you have the local mayor trying to tell people, you're fine.

00:18:05.180 You're fine.

00:18:06.080 This is not a pick yourself up, dust yourself off.

00:18:09.540 You're tough.

00:18:10.580 You can do it, sweetheart.

00:18:12.380 Get right back out.

00:18:13.480 What the fuck?

00:18:14.440 A serial killer is on the loose after shooting a dozen people.

00:18:19.020 The response is not appropriate.

00:18:21.180 And there's sort of echoes of what Luigi Mangione did last year, where you have someone coming up, shooting folks and then walking away.

00:18:32.320 Presumably, this campus is blanketed with CCTV.

00:18:35.240 And so that makes it, I think, Megan, even more unbelievable that the FBI and local authorities projected such confidence in their detainment of a suspect.

00:18:47.380 You can detain a suspect and not announce it.

00:18:50.140 You can detain a suspect and announce it in a different way.

00:18:52.840 The way I interpreted the announcements were that they felt pretty good about it.

00:18:57.180 And so I would be furious.

00:18:58.700 And Providence, if my child were at Brown, if I lived in the area, I would just be beside myself with anger because I think they projected way, way, way too much security into the area.

00:19:10.520 And on top of that, I mean, again, this is a campus.

00:19:14.460 There's CCTV absolutely everywhere.

00:19:17.480 So I don't understand how you feel.

00:19:19.560 Well, not on this building.

00:19:20.820 That's what they're saying, that this was an old building and it didn't have cameras.

00:19:24.340 And I would imagine either way, going in and out of that area, that would be my understanding of a campus is that even if the building doesn't have it, you should be able to figure out whether a person of interest is a serious person of interest, the type that you might announce to the public or keep it still under wraps to some extent, because you should be able to connect the dots two and two, all of that type of stuff.

00:19:46.660 It seems like they jumped the gun seriously.

00:19:49.620 And I mean, on top of this, I think, unfortunately, there's an effort to get Kash Patel for political reasons inside of the FBI right now.

00:19:58.080 I do think, unfortunately, this is also going to raise political questions for Kash Patel because it looks like another rush.

00:20:04.920 I don't know if that's the case yet, but it does really look like that.

00:20:08.760 Well, it's people are pointing out that after Charlie was killed, they said that they had a person of interest in custody.

00:20:14.600 It was that old guy who was very sussy, but he wasn't connected to the shooting as far as we know.

00:20:21.200 And so they had announced that and people were kind of like, that guy?

00:20:25.400 Like the guy who was like, I have the right to remain silent.

00:20:28.020 I have the right to remain silent.

00:20:29.200 It was very strange that like you kind of saw him as a potential accomplice maybe at that moment, but it didn't track as the actual shooter.

00:20:37.360 And then they later kind of had to say, OK, didn't get that right.

00:20:40.760 And then, you know, Kash was saying, look, we're trying to be very transparent.

00:20:44.640 It's not great to have another one of those.

00:20:47.080 And now how much time has been lost in tracking the real killer because they were very focused on this guy.

00:20:54.140 And listen, I get it.

00:20:55.300 If this guy was sitting in the hotel room with what appeared to be the two same guns that the shooting was committed with,

00:21:01.660 which is what the early reports were, including one with a laser sight on it, which they describe as unique.

00:21:07.620 But that surprises me because I've I haven't spent a ton of time at the shooting range, but I've spent a fair amount of time there.

00:21:13.560 And like that doesn't seem that unique to me.

00:21:15.740 But in any event, they must have had enough evidence from that self tower triangulation team that they thought this guy was it.

00:21:26.960 I mean, not for nothing, but that's the same team that they used to get the name of the January 6th pipe bomber,

00:21:32.060 which I don't know if that should shore up their attempts in this case or should undermine faith in the January 6th case.

00:21:41.080 You know, but it is the same unit.

00:21:42.880 Well, and like, again, they actually cleared him within Iowa.

00:21:47.660 I'm, you know, spitballing here, but it was like roughly 12 ish hours.

00:21:51.440 So it seems as though it didn't take a lot of effort to figure out this was not the guy.

00:21:57.400 And the guy was saying, I've been in this hotel room the whole time.

00:21:59.780 I have not left this hotel room.

00:22:01.700 And if that's the case, I mean, that's an easy alibi to check because hotels also have CCTV.

00:22:05.920 You can check people's smartphones now, depending on access and all of that.

00:22:09.280 You can check the key card records.

00:22:10.500 Exactly. It's so it seems like this would have been pretty easy to check out, dismiss.

00:22:16.420 And in fact, we know it was because he was cleared pretty quickly.

00:22:19.920 And so in that case, it looks like rushing to be I understand the need to be transparent.

00:22:24.940 I actually can see this on Kash Patel's X feed.

00:22:27.340 He tries to, like, walk people through the steps of investigations in ways I don't think we've seen the FBI do in real time before.

00:22:34.220 But you have to be so careful about that because there is like right now there is actually a killer on the loose.

00:22:39.200 People should not feel comfortable. Kids should be off of campus.

00:22:42.360 And it may have potentially created a more dangerous situation.

00:22:44.780 I mean, clearly it created a more dangerous situation.

00:22:47.300 I mean, Emily, you are closer to being in college than to where I am, which is having a kid about to go off to college.

00:22:54.120 But either way, can you imagine being either a Brown student or the parent of a Brown student right now and hearing that presser last night after you were told that they had a person of interest in custody, that they had lifted the shelter in place like and you've been walking around.

00:23:10.960 You've been thinking they had and only to find out it's fine.

00:23:14.820 It's fine. And then that ridiculous mayor doubled down on his inanity at a press conference just before we came to air like an hour before.

00:23:23.400 Watch this.

00:23:25.240 Explain this notion that appears to be in conflict.

00:23:28.780 There's a killer on the loose and a manhunt underway.

00:23:31.380 So how can that be the case when you say there is why are you confident there is no threat to public safety?

00:23:39.160 The call came in for the shooting at 4 or 5 p.m. on Saturday.

00:23:44.580 It's Monday morning, 10 a.m. Eastern.

00:23:47.700 And and there has not been a single credible or specific threat that we've received since that time.

00:23:56.640 And so just because of those facts, that's why we believe it is safe and appropriate for residents in Providence to be sending their kids to school today and to be out in the community.

00:24:13.920 There has been no follow up threat.

00:24:18.860 That's outrageous.

00:24:21.220 I would never send my kid to school if we lived in Providence today.

00:24:25.020 Not a chance.

00:24:27.400 Moreover, we'd have every door and window locked.

00:24:30.320 There's a killer on the loose who's killing young kids, young, young people, you know, 1920 and has absolutely no concern for human life.

00:24:41.280 Why?

00:24:42.140 This is their mayor.

00:24:43.600 Like this is politics, Emily.

00:24:46.160 Well, yeah, I saw the exact same thing you did in that, which was the clear, cynical political motivation to try to pretend that a mess didn't happen rather than cleaning it up.

00:24:54.460 And actually, the politics of that are horrible because it's going to be seared into everybody's memory.

00:24:58.880 Now, this is the guy who didn't say the buck stops with me.

00:25:01.620 This was a mistake.

00:25:02.320 It's the guy who tried to pretend like everything was fine.

00:25:05.000 And Megan, I think about the Boston bombing manhunt.

00:25:08.480 It's obviously not apples to apples here, but that was a very dangerous situation when you have people who are desperate to evade justice and capture.

00:25:17.220 They end up, in some cases, doing very dangerous, desperate things.

00:25:21.140 So let alone another reason why you should be sheltering in place if you're in Providence, Rhode Island right now.

00:25:26.660 Because who knows if someone's trying to, for example, hide under a boat and gets into a shootout with law enforcement.

00:25:32.640 These things are all well within the realm of possibility.

00:25:35.300 Exactly.

00:25:35.920 Yep.

00:25:36.460 Yes.

00:25:37.040 Well, and honestly, it's like, who knows if this person has any means.

00:25:41.380 They had means enough to buy a gun.

00:25:43.520 They were smart enough to get on this campus and to go right to this.

00:25:46.820 I mean, because there are no Saturday classes, typically.

00:25:49.100 That's not really a day of the week where the kids are going to classes.

00:25:51.520 But he knew that there was this exam review course happening inside this one building and inside this one classroom.

00:25:57.360 And he happened to choose the one building that doesn't have any cameras.

00:26:00.180 So all of that suggests he's no dummy.

00:26:03.900 He figured a few things out.

00:26:04.960 And he's gotten away with it so far.

00:26:07.100 Who the hell knows where he is, Emily?

00:26:08.960 Who the hell knows where he is?

00:26:10.160 So if he had means, if he had a car, if he could get on a bus, we have no idea what he looks like.

00:26:14.780 There's no profile whatsoever.

00:26:16.600 So there's no, you know, picture of him at the Greyhound or the Amtrak or American and Delta and United.

00:26:22.860 No idea.

00:26:24.340 Could be out of the country by now.

00:26:25.660 Could easily be out of the country by now if he had planned ahead.

00:26:28.660 Or could be on the way to another school, to another campus.

00:26:32.080 I mean, I'm sorry, I don't mean to unnecessarily scare people.

00:26:34.360 But the only proper tone right now is deadly serious, cautionary, warning.

00:26:46.580 And you don't want to create a panic.

00:26:48.720 But you also don't want to ignore the threat, which is what that mayor is doing.

00:26:55.120 I don't know.

00:26:56.020 Let's move on because there's only, we could spend all day bashing him.

00:26:59.220 I do want to show this.

00:27:00.840 It's the terrified Brown students cowering in a university library as they could hear shots outside.

00:27:19.540 Now this winds up being the police, but these poor students don't know that at this point.

00:27:23.260 Everybody get your hands.

00:27:35.300 Hands, hands, hands.

00:27:37.700 Just keep your hands up for us.

00:27:40.000 Obviously there's something going on.

00:27:41.300 We're here to help you.

00:27:41.940 Just listen to what we have to say, okay?

00:27:43.900 All right, breathe.

00:27:44.800 Anybody hurt?

00:27:46.120 No?

00:27:46.500 All right, just listen to our commands.

00:27:48.260 We will get you out of here safely.

00:27:51.680 Is this it?

00:27:52.360 Is this the group?

00:27:53.260 If you have your bags and your phones, we'll grab it now.

00:27:56.420 Quickly.

00:27:57.580 All the kids have their hands up.

00:28:00.540 They're all complying, of course, immediately.

00:28:03.460 These poor kids.

00:28:08.640 That is just heartbreaking.

00:28:12.180 You know, it's like we mock Brown University a lot because it's so far left.

00:28:16.960 It's so progressive.

00:28:18.360 But it's like these poor kids, you have to be very smart to get into Brown University.

00:28:22.840 It is Ivy or very connected.

00:28:25.540 But you do, I mean, in general, you have to be an extraordinary student, truly, to get

00:28:28.700 into there.

00:28:29.160 And those kids just are trying to learn.

00:28:30.780 Left, right, who gives a shit?

00:28:31.880 They're just trying to learn.

00:28:33.000 Trying to get an education.

00:28:34.240 Trying to make it ahead in this world just like everyone else.

00:28:37.440 Try to get a first good job.

00:28:38.800 Try to get a home.

00:28:39.760 Try to make it in an economy that is really not set up for success for young people.

00:28:45.040 And this is the shit they have to deal with.

00:28:47.140 For the listening audience, they were hiding behind, they were in the library, and you picture

00:28:50.420 the stacks of books that only go up to like maybe five or six feet tall, and they're open

00:28:55.760 at each end.

00:28:56.440 So it's not like, it doesn't really block you from an active shooter.

00:28:58.880 He would just have to turn the corner of the little bookcase.

00:29:01.080 And they're all cowering down there, hearing shots go on, you know, shots.

00:29:06.280 And then you finally hear the police, and I'm sure there was a huge sigh of relief as

00:29:11.320 they lifted their arms and complied.

00:29:13.300 But you can't help but think of the terror they must have been in.

00:29:18.860 Relief and also probably for some of them still fear.

00:29:22.440 Because what if, you know, someone is pretending to be the police, also not outside of the realm

00:29:28.940 of possibility in a situation like that.

00:29:30.960 And I'm, so I'm 32.

00:29:32.240 I was in elementary school when Columbine happened.

00:29:34.520 And I think people, especially younger than me, but everyone who is like 30 and under,

00:29:40.280 just you ended up having to do those drills in school since you're like, you know, five

00:29:44.920 years old, active shooter drills.

00:29:46.380 And this is every student's worst nightmare.

00:29:50.360 These kids were just trying to get through finals.

00:29:52.300 And then the scene that they have seen play out on their smartphones from different cases,

00:29:56.760 Parkland, over and over, over the years as they've been in school, it visits them like

00:30:02.400 a couple of weeks before Christmas, and it's happening to them in real life.

00:30:05.540 So even though that was the police and they were hearing shots from the police, those kids

00:30:09.620 are now traumatized.

00:30:10.740 That will stay with a lot of them for a long, long time.

00:30:13.380 That is literally the worst nightmare.

00:30:15.840 And there was at least one, possibly two students who had been at Parkland at that shooting in

00:30:23.600 Florida as, as high schoolers or would have had to be middle schoolers.

00:30:28.360 Now I'm trying to do my math that happened in 2018 and now, or so it's seven years ago.

00:30:32.200 So they must've been on, you know, more junior, or maybe they took gap years and that, cause

00:30:35.780 at least one was saying that they'd been at the high school when it, when the shooting

00:30:39.340 had taken place.

00:30:40.180 And now again, now again, I mean, I don't even know how you'd handle going in public after

00:30:46.980 that because we're all, we're all banking on it being, you know, a better chance of

00:30:52.260 getting struck by lightning than finding yourself in one of these shooting situations, but they're

00:30:56.460 happening so frequently that starting to feel less comforting.

00:31:00.960 And I use that term comfort, you know, with a huge grain of salt.

00:31:05.520 We're seeing our fellow Americans get shot down in the prime of their lives.

00:31:09.220 No one wants this.

00:31:10.260 No one fucking wants this.

00:31:12.480 I mean, most people don't want this.

00:31:14.380 Um, I don't know what the answer is.

00:31:17.220 I, I was thinking for these students, you know, in this, in this case, do we have to

00:31:20.880 get to the point when they go to school, whatever school it is, college on down, the doors lock.

00:31:27.900 The class starts at nine.

00:31:30.000 You have a five minute grace period say, and then that door locks.

00:31:34.780 That's it.

00:31:35.880 It will not be reopened.

00:31:37.460 If you don't, you don't get there on time, you miss the class that day.

00:31:39.820 It's locked.

00:31:40.860 So, I mean, that would be another layer.

00:31:42.920 That's the one thing I've learned in dealing with lots of security over the course of my,

00:31:46.620 you know, professional life and plenty recently.

00:31:51.200 Layers, layers between you and potential danger is what it's all about.

00:31:54.800 You just to give law enforcement the time to get to you.

00:31:58.620 And, um, on these college campuses, there, there aren't enough.

00:32:02.240 No, I agree with that.

00:32:05.340 I mean, I think I've been thinking a lot about this lately because, you know, in the, the

00:32:09.040 Charlie case, we've, we've been rightfully so focused on Charlie and his family.

00:32:13.960 And then I think, you know, there were thousands of kids that day who had a bullet whiz past

00:32:18.200 them and they saw the carnage and the panic.

00:32:22.020 And that's thousands of kids, um, who just at that one school are now, now dealing with

00:32:28.060 this, this panic and probably PTSD in a lot of their cases.

00:32:31.720 Um, and you think about Brown, you get an active shooter alert on your phone, uh, which I assume

00:32:37.900 went out in the case of Brown.

00:32:39.140 It happens, uh, you know, schools, there was, there was a mistaken one that was sent out when

00:32:42.560 I was in college is absolutely terrifying.

00:32:44.720 I mean, again, like this is like nightmare fuel.

00:32:47.640 It is everybody's worst case scenario when you're a teenager and you're in college.

00:32:51.760 Um, and so to get that in and of itself is terrifying.

00:32:56.160 And just thinking a little bit also about the Australia story you introduced, Megan, in

00:33:01.380 that case, you know, I know we're going to talk about it, but they have really strict

00:33:04.080 gun laws in Australia.

00:33:05.480 Um, some of these shootings happen in places where there are really strict, uh, gun laws,

00:33:09.480 college campuses are certainly those types of places.

00:33:11.940 Uh, there's just evil.

00:33:13.120 I mean, there's just unimaginable evil.

00:33:15.280 And this, this period of high tech modernity seems to be bringing out more and more of

00:33:20.780 it, uh, in more and more dangerous ways.

00:33:22.900 And to some extent, there's nothing you'll ever be able to do to protect yourself.

00:33:27.260 There are two things we can do in the world.

00:33:29.920 There, there are at least two things we can do.

00:33:31.440 And I, I'm, I don't know how I feel about having like all kids armed on college campuses.

00:33:37.400 That seems like, I don't know, extreme to me, but, but people are just like,

00:33:43.120 people are getting murdered on college campuses at an alarming rate.

00:33:46.480 They are, uh, the attempted murders and murders happening at the hands.

00:33:51.640 This is when these young men are breaking, are having their psychotic breaks.

00:33:56.280 And it does tend to happen to ask any shrink between basically 18 and 26.

00:34:01.000 And look at, I haven't looked it up.

00:34:05.320 I'll bet you the endowment for Brown university is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:34:11.400 For sure.

00:34:12.060 It's going to be in the tens of millions.

00:34:13.820 Is it really so hard for them to beef up their security?

00:34:17.200 Is it so hard for them to have at Brown university, which actually isn't even that huge?

00:34:21.080 I mean, it's very exclusive.

00:34:22.400 So it's, it's not that huge, um, to have a guard at every door, an armed guard at every

00:34:27.240 building, an armed guard at every building, is it so hard, including on Saturday, if the

00:34:31.180 students are there, you're there with your loaded gun.

00:34:34.800 And that way, at least when you hear shots fired, you can minimize the carnage like, or

00:34:40.100 as a deterrent, it, it serves as a deterrent.

00:34:42.920 Like, can't they spend some of their damn millions on that?

00:34:48.060 That's one thing.

00:34:48.940 And I've said it after every school shooting for a long time, since I figured out it was

00:34:52.640 necessary, we need a, an institution, a lockup for people who are potential school shooters

00:35:03.900 and their family and friends know who they are in most of the cases.

00:35:07.680 You're going to tell me that guy who shot up this Ascension school in Minneapolis was

00:35:11.660 not known by his family to be a seriously dangerous young man.

00:35:15.860 It has to be a place, Parkland, it happens all the time, Sandy Hook, it has to be a place

00:35:23.120 to which a loving mother would voluntarily commit her son.

00:35:26.660 It's always a son, stop, it is, one, one in New Orleans was, uh, sorry, Nashville was

00:35:33.000 a woman, but they can go too.

00:35:34.420 I'm not trying to defend women, but I'm just saying, let's be honest about what the profile

00:35:37.420 of these shooters is.

00:35:38.820 So that, it's not going to get them all.

00:35:40.460 It's not even going to get most of them, to be honest, because a lot of them don't show

00:35:44.520 signs, um, but it's going to get a fair amount and it's going to save lives.

00:35:48.880 And look, same thing for us.

00:35:51.080 I'm sorry for the Ukrainians, but that $60 billion would have more than covered such a

00:35:55.480 facility for the rest of your lifetime.

00:35:57.920 Not even just my lifetime, your lifetime as well.

00:36:00.640 I mean, easily.

00:36:02.260 And think of the number of American lives that could have been spared if we had that kind

00:36:06.420 of a lockup.

00:36:07.100 It's a lockup, it's, it's a prison-esque facility, but it's a mental health facility

00:36:11.700 where, yes, your child is going to be locked up in a room and we'll have group time just

00:36:17.640 like prisoners do.

00:36:19.000 And we'll have mental health carrier, carers, caregivers to medicate and look after them.

00:36:25.920 And it's honestly as much for their sake as it is for ours.

00:36:28.940 I've spoken to these mothers.

00:36:30.300 They want these kids taken.

00:36:32.080 They do not want to be responsible.

00:36:33.540 They can't handle them any more than the prison system can.

00:36:37.600 Anyway, those are my two things.

00:36:38.680 Like, we need good guys with guns and we need this kind of a facility and we needed it yesterday.

00:36:45.720 I don't know.

00:36:46.360 I've got like three kids who are going to go to college within the next few years if

00:36:49.820 that's what they choose to do.

00:36:51.660 They're in schools right now.

00:36:52.960 High schools are also dangerous.

00:36:55.740 We just, we don't want to live like this and we, we just move on after all of these,

00:37:01.120 like, oh, well, free society.

00:37:04.680 It's all we can do.

00:37:06.040 And I get it.

00:37:07.080 I get the need to do that.

00:37:08.220 I get the urge to do that.

00:37:09.380 But I don't think it's futile.

00:37:11.540 I don't.

00:37:12.180 I think there are real things we can do to lower the number that have nothing to do with

00:37:16.960 confiscating people's guns.

00:37:19.180 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:37:20.060 I mean, I think armed guards would make me feel a lot safer with our schools.

00:37:23.260 I don't know, kids in schools, but that would make me feel way safer because we know,

00:37:28.040 you know, you could, you could do a full gun buyback in this country and there would still

00:37:31.840 be guns.

00:37:32.840 It's so, as so long as there are these memetic copycat type events that have been happening

00:37:39.500 for what, 20 years now, deal with it and put armed guards in schools.

00:37:43.560 Absolutely.

00:37:44.280 And on top of that, the institution, yeah.

00:37:47.280 And the institution point is, is so, so important.

00:37:50.500 I mean, it is beyond obvious to everybody that particularly young men are in a mental health

00:37:56.120 crisis and one of the best prophylactics in that case is having strong civil society and

00:38:01.120 social safety nets and people noticing red flags in their community and doing something,

00:38:06.340 doing something.

00:38:07.300 I mean, in so many of these cases, we find out that at least, you know, five, six people,

00:38:12.160 even if it was just because of people's online activities, students' online activities,

00:38:16.340 had some suspicion that there was something going deeply, deeply wrong.

00:38:20.940 And they felt too weird to say something where the police dropped the case.

00:38:25.980 The FBI didn't follow up on all of the leads.

00:38:28.800 Like it happens time and time again.

00:38:30.960 And when you don't have strong families, which again, this is just a reality.

00:38:34.880 We don't have strong families anymore in this country.

00:38:37.200 That is not a given.

00:38:38.300 We have all kinds of people who are struggling and we're on the fringes of society, on the

00:38:42.780 edges and are clearly showing symptoms of a breakdown.

00:38:46.100 And they're just roaming about, uh, nobody's helping them because they don't know what to

00:38:50.640 do.

00:38:50.840 There aren't institutions to your point, Megan, where they can take people.

00:38:54.520 We don't know what to do with them.

00:38:56.040 Society doesn't know what to do with them.

00:38:57.880 Um, and I've spoken with therapists before, psychiatrists, psychologists who say you really

00:39:02.660 can't therapize someone out of sociopathy.

00:39:06.620 Like if you're a sociopath, you're a sociopath.

00:39:10.140 There's no real treating it.

00:39:11.820 I mean, some people get away with teaching their child who's got sociopathic tendencies,

00:39:18.240 like how to behave, what the proper response is.

00:39:20.740 When you hear that someone has died, it's not to laugh.

00:39:23.640 It's, it's to shed a tear or say, I'm sorry, or be stone-faced.

00:39:28.320 You know, they, they can learn those things.

00:39:29.780 And I've spoken to mothers who have had to do this with their children, but by and large,

00:39:34.780 what these mothers who they're, they're dealing with at home, they're getting threatened by their

00:39:38.660 kids.

00:39:38.940 The family cat gets killed by the kid and so on.

00:39:41.820 They, they want these kids out of their house.

00:39:43.500 They're worried about their other children.

00:39:44.800 They're worried about themselves.

00:39:45.960 They understand that this problem, as soon as the child has reached the size of a mature

00:39:50.140 adult, is beyond their capacity to handle.

00:39:53.960 Um, Debbie Murphy tells me that the Brown endowment is 7.2 billion, 7.2 billion dollars.

00:40:03.980 Get a fucking guard.

00:40:05.080 It's ideological.

00:40:06.140 I like get a guard.

00:40:07.380 I'll bet you, I'd, I'd love to take a look at like SMU and what are the, what's the number

00:40:13.020 of armed guards on the campus of SMU versus Brown University?

00:40:17.280 One of, if not the most progressive campus in America, where I'm sure many, many classes

00:40:22.200 are spent, are devoted to bashing the second amendment and guns.

00:40:26.620 Um, get a good guy with a gun.

00:40:28.320 Don't be ideologically opposed to it.

00:40:29.840 It literally can save your life.

00:40:31.280 All right, let's keep going.

00:40:33.500 Let's talk about Rob Reiner next and we'll get to Australia after that.

00:40:37.100 So this shocking, shocking crime, this, this again, this is an American icon.

00:40:44.720 I mean, you're not going to find people much more famous than Rob Reiner, much more accomplished

00:40:50.360 than Rob Reiner, Reiner, much more wealthy than Rob Reiner living in one of the most exclusive

00:40:56.280 suburbs in America, Brentwood, which is of course where OJ Simpson killed Nicole Brown Simpson.

00:41:03.580 Um, Brentwood is a beautiful suburb of LA and he and his wife, according to reports,

00:41:10.580 had their throats slit and also suffered multiple additional stab wounds, which of course suggests

00:41:18.000 crime of passion.

00:41:19.720 Um, it's not a robber.

00:41:21.200 A robber doesn't slit your throat.

00:41:22.680 A robber doesn't kill you, by the way.

00:41:24.120 That's like TV shit that people just use to excuse their murder.

00:41:29.080 It was a robber.

00:41:30.160 No, robbers, burglars, burgle and get the hell out.

00:41:34.060 And if they meet the homeowner, they run.

00:41:36.240 These are generalizations.

00:41:38.040 Um, so this was, according to the authorities now, the couple's son.

00:41:42.780 They met while they were filming when Harry met Sally.

00:41:45.180 She was a well-known photographer.

00:41:47.260 People are pointing out she shot the cover of Art of the Deal, Trump's book of Donald Trump.

00:41:52.860 And she worked on When Harry Met Sally, which Rob Reiner directed.

00:41:56.540 A great movie, by the way.

00:41:58.300 A great movie.

00:41:59.420 And by the way, so another example, like, Billy Crystal starred Meg Ryan, too.

00:42:04.360 Billy Crystal's definitely leftist.

00:42:06.120 So is obviously Rob Reiner he was.

00:42:08.160 That wasn't in When Harry Met Sally.

00:42:09.700 They didn't inject their politics into their movie making like they do with everything today.

00:42:13.800 You know, there was a golden era where no matter what your politics, your movie wouldn't reflect it.

00:42:18.540 You just told a great story.

00:42:19.880 And When Harry Met Sally was a great story.

00:42:23.000 We actually, um, we pulled a clip of it.

00:42:25.620 I'll show it just to honor Rob Reiner because, um, it's one of the great films that he made.

00:42:29.880 So many to choose from.

00:42:30.880 Princess Bride, another one.

00:42:32.560 This is Spinal Tap, another one.

00:42:34.680 Misery with Kathy Bates and James Caan, another one.

00:42:38.040 A Few Good Men, my God.

00:42:39.860 Like one of the greatest films in American history.

00:42:41.840 But here's one, um, I asked the team for from When Harry Met Sally.

00:42:45.660 It always makes me laugh when they were playing Pictionary with their friends.

00:42:52.400 It's a monkey.

00:42:53.180 It's a monkey.

00:42:53.700 A monkey see, monkey do.

00:42:55.480 It's an ape.

00:42:56.500 Going ape.

00:42:57.160 It's a baby.

00:42:58.960 Planet of the apes.

00:42:59.900 Planet of the apes.

00:43:00.440 She just said it's a baby.

00:43:01.420 How about Planet of the Dopes?

00:43:02.300 It doesn't look like a baby.

00:43:04.020 Look at the big mouth.

00:43:05.120 Mick Jagger is a baby.

00:43:06.380 Baby ape.

00:43:07.380 Baby ape.

00:43:07.940 Stop with the apes, would you please?

00:43:09.160 Baby's breast.

00:43:10.020 Baby.

00:43:10.760 Rosemary's baby's mouth.

00:43:12.460 Won't you come home and build baby?

00:43:13.760 Baby kiss the baby.

00:43:15.160 Melancholy baby's mouth.

00:43:16.160 Baby fish mouth.

00:43:17.900 Baby fish mouth.

00:43:20.380 Fifteen seconds.

00:43:21.460 A big baby mouth.

00:43:22.080 Baby boom.

00:43:23.380 Baby.

00:43:24.640 Draw something resembling anything.

00:43:27.020 Baby.

00:43:27.380 Crying baby.

00:43:28.420 Kiss the baby.

00:43:29.000 Baby spitting up.

00:43:30.100 Exorcist baby.

00:43:31.340 Guys.

00:43:32.140 Yes, sir, that's my baby.

00:43:33.700 No, sir.

00:43:34.360 Don't mean maybe.

00:43:35.280 That's it.

00:43:35.780 Time's up.

00:43:36.820 Baby talk.

00:43:38.160 Baby talk?

00:43:39.560 What's that?

00:43:40.620 That's not a saying.

00:43:41.540 Oh, but baby fish mouth is sweeping the nation.

00:43:44.060 I hear them talking.

00:43:46.900 So funny.

00:43:48.380 And such, such, such, such a great film.

00:43:51.340 And Rob Reiner was behind it.

00:43:53.040 He directed it.

00:43:53.700 And that's where he and his wife, Michelle, met.

00:43:56.200 Ten-year age difference between them.

00:43:57.840 And went on to have three kids.

00:43:59.920 He had one adopted daughter as well from his first marriage to Penny Marshall, also known as Laverne.

00:44:05.040 From Laverne and Shirley.

00:44:07.560 And so he had four kids.

00:44:11.000 And he had two boys with Michelle and a girl.

00:44:13.940 The girl was Romy.

00:44:15.040 The boys were, I think, Jay and Nick.

00:44:18.340 And Nick had serious problems from the sound of it his whole life.

00:44:24.160 The reports are that, I think it was Romy.

00:44:25.880 They said his daughter, though, to be honest, it could be the daughter from the first marriage.

00:44:28.760 But I think they said it was Romy.

00:44:30.700 Found the bodies.

00:44:32.640 And I mean, this poor girl walking in and seeing her mom and dad with their throats slit and multiple stab wounds.

00:44:39.600 She reportedly, according to TMZ, was the one who called the police and said, look inside the family.

00:44:46.280 And that's a nice way of saying she turned her brother in.

00:44:48.720 That he was her first suspect.

00:44:50.760 And when you hear this reports, Emily, about the family, you understand why she knew that, indeed, it was Nick.

00:44:58.180 As the police now say, it was innocent until proven guilty.

00:45:01.400 But he is in police custody with a $4 million bond.

00:45:05.620 He apparently had problems right from the start.

00:45:08.040 And there's an interview on the Daily Mail with the family yoga instructor, which may sound weird that they had a family yoga instructor.

00:45:15.600 But A, Hollywood and big wealth.

00:45:17.900 But B, I think it was because of Nick.

00:45:20.880 So he was apparently like a very tough kid, very tough child.

00:45:25.760 The yoga instructor telling the Daily Mail about how he would scream.

00:45:29.100 He would just come into rooms screaming bloody murder and required endless amounts of attention.

00:45:34.200 And, like, if you didn't give it stat, you were going to pay for it.

00:45:39.460 And so she was an attempt by the parents to bring some calm into the child's life.

00:45:46.540 Like, get him to have a moment of zen and, like, connect with, like, his meditative spiritual side.

00:45:53.180 And do something physically taxing, which also can be good for whether it's a pet or a child.

00:45:59.640 You know, that actually can be good for calmness.

00:46:03.020 And she said it was just very tough with him.

00:46:07.760 And was she the one who wrote the book, Little Nikki?

00:46:11.500 I think she was the one who wrote the book based on him, based on him and how a family hires a yoga instructor to help him through it.

00:46:20.920 But it sounds like he never got through it because by age 15, he was addicted to drugs.

00:46:26.800 He was in and out of rehab 17 or 18 times from age 15 to now he's 32.

00:46:35.460 So that's, what, 17 years in and out of rehab over and over and over.

00:46:41.260 And he was so problematic that he and Rob Reiner, his father, made a movie about a father and son where the son is addicted to drugs.

00:46:52.700 It was called Being Charlie.

00:46:55.360 And here is a shot that we pulled from it, a clip, shot 10.

00:47:01.860 Jesus, Charlie.

00:47:03.360 The fuck are you doing?

00:47:04.640 Hey, Dad.

00:47:05.960 It's great to see you.

00:47:06.960 You know, I decided to stop by.

00:47:08.580 Oh, yeah.

00:47:09.180 Yeah.

00:47:10.280 This is how you want to live your life, huh?

00:47:12.620 Messing things up so that Daddy has to clean up after you?

00:47:16.260 Clean up after you.

00:47:16.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:17.940 If it's not smashing a church window, it's stealing a car.

00:47:20.680 If you're not stealing a car, posting a video.

00:47:24.220 Video?

00:47:24.700 What are you talking about?

00:47:25.500 It's all over the fucking internet.

00:47:26.680 What, are you going to deny that now?

00:47:29.740 Adam.

00:47:30.620 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:47:31.660 Keep blaming other people for your shit.

00:47:33.280 Why can't you just be honest and own something for once?

00:47:36.940 Honesty.

00:47:37.500 Great.

00:47:37.840 I'm really glad you brought that up, Dad.

00:47:39.340 I am.

00:47:39.720 Because, you know, I was never a big fan of your pirate movies.

00:47:42.860 But that sociopath you played on the phone with that Utah bullshit, that was spot on.

00:47:48.040 You left me no choice.

00:47:49.420 Oh, no choice.

00:47:50.220 You're going to talk to me about choices.

00:47:51.080 You've had plenty of fucking choices, Daddy.

00:47:53.260 Yeah, rehab or jail.

00:47:54.640 You know, quite a wide selection there.

00:48:00.400 You're really going to do this?

00:48:01.600 It's really chilling now knowing that Rob and his son, Nick, were behind it, that they wrote

00:48:11.060 it together.

00:48:12.800 Rob directed it.

00:48:13.960 But there's a clip of him saying, you know, I learned that while I was the most experienced

00:48:19.540 director on that set and most experienced person in movies, I was not more experienced

00:48:24.080 than my son in this world and that I had to listen to him about certain scenes and so

00:48:29.920 on.

00:48:31.000 It sounds like a very tumultuous relationship, Emily.

00:48:33.940 And just as we came to air, I think it was TMZ again breaking, that they had had an explosive

00:48:39.460 argument at Conan O'Brien's party on Saturday night, he and his son, to the point where Rob

00:48:46.340 and Michelle left the party and to the point where, again, the sister knew immediately, according

00:48:52.680 to reports, they needed to call her brother.

00:48:55.220 Your thoughts on it?

00:48:57.000 Well, I mean, it's heart-wrenching in, you know, it's always heart-wrenching when you

00:49:01.280 see somebody who is kind of left to fend for themselves and people don't know what to do

00:49:05.920 with them.

00:49:06.260 But this is heart-wrenching in a different way when you know, when you know, and you can

00:49:11.220 tell from all of the reports piling up now, his parents, his family seemed to do absolutely

00:49:18.300 everything that they could to get him help.

00:49:21.840 Over the years, addressed it at film length, working together at film length to hash out

00:49:29.640 this pain and the suffering and to know that they tried.

00:49:35.040 I mean, even just that report about Conan O'Brien's party, assuming it was a holiday party

00:49:39.680 or something like that, you have a family, you know, bringing their troubled son to a party.

00:49:44.380 That's, you know, it may sound like a small thing, but when you go through all of that

00:49:49.680 tumult with your own child, it just shows to me, even in that little anecdote, that

00:49:54.640 they were trying so hard to keep him in their lives and to keep him healthy.

00:50:00.360 And so to hear that, it just, it gets you because clearly they wanted the best for him

00:50:06.700 and they wanted to do everything they could to help.

00:50:09.360 And sometimes you just feel like you run out of options.

00:50:11.860 And it sounds like that's what happened here.

00:50:14.500 But to your point, the TMZ just dropped the following, quoting from the report, our family

00:50:20.280 sources add, Michelle, that's Rob's wife, had been anguishing to friends over the last

00:50:25.980 few months that she and Rob were at their wits end over Nick's mental illness and alleged

00:50:32.860 substance abuse issues and did not know what to do with their son, Nick, saying, quote,

00:50:38.340 you've tried everything.

00:50:41.200 I feel for them so acutely.

00:50:44.100 If you guys have ever had an addict in your family, you know how explosive that issue can

00:50:49.060 be and how difficult a monster it is to conquer.

00:50:54.500 It's so difficult.

00:50:56.360 And then think about the person suffering prior to that and adding in, you know, preexisting

00:51:02.520 mental illness.

00:51:03.960 Standby.

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00:53:08.340 You want answers?

00:53:12.260 I think I'm entitled.

00:53:13.300 You want answers!

00:53:14.380 I want the truth!

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00:53:23.040 Who's gonna do it?

00:53:24.140 You?

00:53:24.960 You, Lieutenant Weinberg?

00:53:26.400 I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

00:53:31.560 You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines.

00:53:34.940 You have that luxury.

00:53:36.420 You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably

00:53:41.720 saved lives.

00:53:42.920 And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

00:53:48.380 You don't want the truth, because deep down in places, you don't talk about at parties.

00:53:53.120 You want me on that wall.

00:53:55.280 You need me on that wall.

00:53:57.180 I mean, one of the all-time great scenes in American cinematic history, Jack Nicholson

00:54:05.060 and Tom Cruise across from one another with an assist in the background from Kevin Bacon

00:54:10.200 and Demi Moore arguing over the proper role of our military and whether when they cross

00:54:16.020 ethical lines, we should or would prefer to look the other way.

00:54:20.600 Um, it's one of the many movies where people have had a second look at modern-day America,

00:54:25.420 Emily, saying, were we too hard on Colonel Jessup?

00:54:29.040 Like, we might have been manipulated into thinking he was a bad guy when, in fact, he

00:54:32.520 was a good guy.

00:54:33.780 Um, in any event, you can't argue with the acting and the directing of that American film,

00:54:39.400 A Few Good Men, one of our best.

00:54:41.360 And we're back now with Emily Jashinsky, who is the host of After Party with Emily Jashinsky.

00:54:45.900 Go and subscribe right now.

00:54:46.840 Um, one of the many great Rob Reiner contributions to our national lexicon and our, one of our

00:54:54.980 most storied industries, the Hollywood movie industry, which no one can do the way we can

00:54:59.880 do.

00:55:00.200 I know it's been very dark lately.

00:55:02.300 It's gone woke and very annoying, but like the history of it is completely magical.

00:55:08.580 It's magical.

00:55:09.320 And many, many hours of most of our lives have been devoted to good times, fostered by films

00:55:15.320 like that one, like Stand By Me and the others that Rob Reiner directed and put out there

00:55:20.080 for us.

00:55:20.580 And it's one of the reasons why so many people are affected by his death today.

00:55:25.080 Um, we were talking about the scourge of drug addiction and mental illness, which often

00:55:32.280 go hand in hand in this young man who's now been accused of killing Rob Reiner and his

00:55:37.000 wife, Michelle, his own parents.

00:55:38.340 And, um, just updating a detail that I told you about his addiction, the Daily Mail report

00:55:43.680 said that as of 2016, Nick had gone to rehab 18 times, which means he was, I think, 22 in

00:55:54.780 2016.

00:55:55.640 And that means that, um, in seven years, he went to rehab 18 times, seven years.

00:56:04.600 It's more than three.

00:56:06.480 I can't, I don't want to do the math.

00:56:07.640 Don't make me do the math.

00:56:08.240 It's about three times a year, two times a year plus.

00:56:12.340 And, um, there's more here from the yoga instructor.

00:56:15.760 It's a very interesting article in the Daily Mail.

00:56:17.280 The headline is Daily Mail exclusive troubled truth about little Nikki.

00:56:20.380 That's what she called him in her book.

00:56:21.920 And she writes, uh, the, the piece writes the following about Rob and the son.

00:56:29.840 He had clashes with his family throughout the years as documented in the film they did

00:56:34.060 together, which portrays a young man who resents the way his father and mother are dealing with

00:56:39.160 his addiction.

00:56:40.120 They force him to spend time in rehab with their interactions, a reflection of how Rob,

00:56:44.860 Michelle, and Nick were with each other.

00:56:46.680 The family said at the time, evidencing the years of clashes the parents had with their son

00:56:51.600 it ends with an apology from the dad for the occasionally unsympathetic way he treated

00:56:58.340 his son.

00:56:59.280 Rob Reiner said in an interview afterward that he owed and gave this apology to his son in

00:57:05.100 real life.

00:57:05.900 But Nick's unpredictability and even aggression toward his family seemingly continued.

00:57:11.760 And here's a little bit more from the actual, we played you a clip from the movie played

00:57:16.240 by actors, but here's the actual Nick on camera in an interview with AOL promoting this movie.

00:57:21.660 We're discussing being Charlie in 2016, talking about his relationship with Rob.

00:57:26.560 Sod 11.

00:57:28.600 It really clicked for me because we didn't bond a lot as a kid.

00:57:32.180 Like he really liked baseball.

00:57:33.780 I like basketball and he could watch that with my brother, but baseball, but I just, when

00:57:39.140 I saw him do that and it was something that I'm interested in, I was like, wow, like he

00:57:42.420 really knows a lot.

00:57:43.380 And like, it made me feel closer to him and be like, yeah.

00:57:47.640 You're like, wow, my dad's Rob Reiner.

00:57:50.260 I never had thought about it.

00:57:52.040 And then, yeah, it didn't cross your mind, right?

00:57:54.240 Never.

00:57:54.520 Never.

00:57:56.280 Here's a little bit more.

00:57:57.640 This is Sod 12A from the Paul Mercurio podcast, two chairs and a microphone.

00:58:02.320 Again, same thing, 2016.

00:58:05.480 We both learned what each other went through during that time, but really the thing I took

00:58:10.580 away from it was I got to see him in his element, sort of directing and do all these things.

00:58:15.460 And when I said that in the past, people would be like, well, weren't you on movie sets before?

00:58:18.440 But it's different because it's something I wrote, it's my dad, and it's something that

00:58:22.620 we're collaborating on, and I saw he has sometimes a hard time expressing himself through just

00:58:28.200 conversation, but through his efforts.

00:58:30.140 What do you mean by that?

00:58:31.200 Because it seems like he's very expressive through conversation.

00:58:33.540 Well, we're on a show right now, but.

00:58:35.440 Oh, really?

00:58:37.040 No, but he's.

00:58:37.800 I'm pretty quiet.

00:58:39.360 He's quieter, but he's still, he listens.

00:58:41.380 He's a great dad.

00:58:42.460 And like, I just mean that like, he's best explaining himself when he's in his element,

00:58:47.240 making a movie, showing his, how much he cares through that.

00:58:49.920 So there's a lot in there, Emily.

00:58:55.520 You know, you never know what goes on behind closed doors and how people are.

00:59:00.840 And you clearly, you have a son there frustrated at not being able to effectively communicate

00:59:06.680 with his own father for whatever, whatever reason, you know, that his father couldn't

00:59:10.340 express himself in the way the kid needed.

00:59:12.220 I'm not blaming Rob Reiner.

00:59:13.220 We're just taking a look at the relationship here, given what's happened.

00:59:15.680 Um, and so while you might think he's an expressive guy and actually kind of gifted at expressing

00:59:22.340 himself, given the movies, he certainly didn't seem to have a tough time expressing himself

00:59:26.640 politically.

00:59:27.900 It's different with your kid and certainly different with a kid who is in a way special

00:59:32.500 needs.

00:59:32.820 And it also, I think represents what we all know, which is that money, you can't throw

00:59:40.040 money at a problem like that because to go to rehab that many times, you know, that's

00:59:44.440 an extraordinary financial expense for his son.

00:59:48.740 And obviously Rob Reiner, lots and lots of money.

00:59:51.660 Uh, the family had lots and lots of money.

00:59:53.680 And so it doesn't make life, it may make life easier in some ways, but it doesn't necessarily

00:59:58.120 make life better.

00:59:59.640 Uh, and so when you think about a family here who was trying everything over the course of

01:00:05.340 a decade plus to help their son, including by the way, doing the emotionally taxing work

01:00:11.480 of producing, directing his film that he wrote about your relationship.

01:00:16.340 I mean, I cannot possibly fathom how difficult it was to do that.

01:00:20.260 In some ways, obviously they're saying it was rewarding, but that's, you know, days

01:00:23.420 and days spent in the muck of your emotional trauma, your, uh, your, your family's suffering,

01:00:30.140 your, your failings and successes as a parent and a child.

01:00:33.000 I mean, you're putting a lot of, a lot of effort into dealing with this relationship

01:00:37.340 and for it to end so tragically and violently is very upsetting.

01:00:42.760 And it sounds like the parents did not only the rehab thing 18 times in seven years, but

01:00:49.640 also tough love because this daily mail piece points out that he told people magazine in

01:00:56.480 2016, I don't know if my math is correct.

01:00:59.480 It's almost 2026 and he was 32.

01:01:02.800 He is 32.

01:01:04.020 So 10 years ago, he would have been 22 and 15 to 22 is seven years.

01:01:08.680 That's where I got my math is right.

01:01:10.400 Give or take a few months.

01:01:11.360 He told people magazine in 2016, Nick, the son, that, uh, he wound up homeless.

01:01:18.680 Okay.

01:01:19.080 Again, this is when he was 22.

01:01:20.380 He said, I've been homeless in three States because I've repeatedly refused treatment.

01:01:25.760 But he says, I'm, I've since been on the mend.

01:01:27.920 I was homeless in Maine.

01:01:29.180 I was homeless in New Jersey.

01:01:30.600 I was homeless in Texas.

01:01:32.280 I spent nights on the street.

01:01:33.820 I spent weeks on the street.

01:01:34.960 It was not fun.

01:01:35.840 If I wanted to do it my way and not go to the programs they were suggesting, then I

01:01:40.680 had to be homeless.

01:01:41.480 In other words, they did tough love.

01:01:43.680 That's what he's saying here that the parents said, we are not going to fund your, your life,

01:01:48.660 your apartments, your landlord, your, your bills until you get help.

01:01:52.460 And honestly, we've been through this in my own family.

01:01:54.380 I've talked to before, like I've had somebody I really, really love dearly, severely addicted

01:01:59.880 to prescription drugs.

01:02:01.280 And you really do wrestle with like, what do we do?

01:02:05.000 Do we try to save them?

01:02:06.560 Do we do hard love?

01:02:08.280 And there was a divide in my family over, I mean, I've said, it's, it's my sister who's

01:02:11.700 since passed, but you know, my brother and I were much more like, mom, we have to do hard

01:02:16.860 love.

01:02:17.180 We have to let her hit rock bottom.

01:02:19.120 And it's much different for the parent, much different for the parent who, you know, my

01:02:24.000 mom did not want to allow that to happen to my sister.

01:02:26.440 We had no money like the Reiners do, but I can relate to these struggles and you, the person

01:02:32.440 you love is in there.

01:02:34.940 You can say they're not dead, you know, like they're alive.

01:02:38.420 They're just like, there's several layers between you and them in like this weird exterior

01:02:43.680 that doesn't represent the true them.

01:02:45.880 And you get angry at these drugs and you blame the drugs.

01:02:48.460 And it's like, you just, you so desperately want the drug addiction to go away because

01:02:51.980 then the person will come out again.

01:02:54.500 Like it's like an invasion of the body snatcher, you know, and like you want the force to be

01:02:58.560 gone so that your relative is back present again.

01:03:01.160 And you will throw any amount of money, tough love and what feels like cruelty, whatever at

01:03:06.320 it to get to the end result.

01:03:08.420 But then when it doesn't come, and in this case, it seems like it was constant relapse.

01:03:13.820 You get to the point that they got to, according to that quote, we read from TMZ, the mother

01:03:17.500 saying, we are at our wits end and we do not know what to do.

01:03:22.100 And to the point that you mentioned, it looks like the picture that's emerging is that over

01:03:26.560 the years they have tried both tough love and abundant love.

01:03:30.560 I mean, everything from saying, you know, we have to at some point cut him off so that

01:03:36.560 he knows that you, you, you can hit rock bottom as opposed to what everybody who's dealt with

01:03:42.180 us experiences, where it is when you do the abundant love approach, sometimes there are

01:03:47.200 limits to that too, but they did it both ways.

01:03:49.480 Clearly that's what we're seeing.

01:03:51.100 And you mentioned this earlier, but what we're learning from this crime scene, obviously

01:03:56.180 is a stabbing situation of the report, a report horrifically as a throat slitting situation.

01:04:03.240 And that is to the point you made a crime of passion.

01:04:06.060 And so when we're thinking about a person being inside the real person being inside, I mean,

01:04:12.340 what it has to take to do that to your own parents, reportedly after a heated argument

01:04:18.580 at a, at a party that, that is sociopathic.

01:04:23.060 I mean, that's really the only way to look at it, which means that what they were dealing

01:04:26.160 with is unimaginable and there's no ration.

01:04:30.960 There's no reason.

01:04:31.980 There's nothing you could do in a situation like that.

01:04:34.920 That'll definitely work.

01:04:36.200 You just have to keep trying.

01:04:37.420 And the clock ran out on them, unfortunately.

01:04:40.940 That's exactly right.

01:04:42.160 And the sister, if you see the pictures of Romy, the sister, I guarantee you she knew.

01:04:47.780 And again, reportedly she was the one who called the cops and said, check out Nick.

01:04:51.200 But you see these pictures.

01:04:53.040 There weren't just a couple snapshots, but in each one, there's the other brother.

01:04:56.980 I think his name is Jay.

01:04:57.860 He's all smiles.

01:04:58.860 He seems like a genuinely happy person.

01:05:00.220 He projects joy in just his facial expression and energy.

01:05:04.860 In all the pictures of Romy, Jake, Jake, you, in all the pictures of Romy, you can see, at

01:05:10.220 least I, I think I see in the eyes, like a, a concern, like a, a pain.

01:05:18.140 There's some, there's the absence of a joy that you see in the other brother's face.

01:05:21.940 And then you see Nick who looks deeply disturbed in every photo.

01:05:24.560 He looks progressively disturbed, progressively more like a criminal, um, someone who doesn't

01:05:30.600 appear to be taking care of himself, somebody who's not well-groomed, somebody who has got

01:05:34.560 like a madness in his eyes.

01:05:35.980 I realized I'm, this is 2020 hindsight, so forgive the armchair analysis, but it's what

01:05:39.800 I see.

01:05:40.520 And this yoga instructor, again, who taught with the family for a decade, wrote a book

01:05:45.460 about Nick, little Nicky.

01:05:47.400 Uh, she described the Reiner parents as passionate hands-on parents and loving.

01:05:51.320 She said, Michelle was a New Yorker living in California.

01:05:54.760 She was really mindful trying to raise her kids out of the pressures of LA and Hollywood.

01:05:58.740 It was challenging and full-time.

01:06:00.880 She pointed out that the family was Jewish.

01:06:03.340 They were likely preparing for a family get-together to celebrate the first night of Hanukkah on Sunday

01:06:07.520 before they were killed.

01:06:09.440 Um, she said that the discord she witnessed between Nick and his family, quote, was a product

01:06:16.160 of their fame, quoting from the Daily Mail piece.

01:06:18.420 This is, this is how they quoted her.

01:06:21.320 I think it's really challenging for children of Hollywood stars to have a clear sense of

01:06:26.260 reality.

01:06:26.960 It's really not easy, but it's not an excuse.

01:06:29.860 She said, this is still her.

01:06:32.540 The sense of neglect can breed its own delusion in kids.

01:06:36.820 So she does say that they're hands-on parents and loving, but she also speaks of a sense

01:06:43.380 of neglect breeding a delusion in Hollywood kids and saying that there was a discord as

01:06:50.960 a product of his fame.

01:06:53.260 Again, saying it's not an excuse for what happened, but giving us an insight as to somebody who knew

01:06:57.900 the family well about what one of the issues was.

01:07:02.060 Now, of course, he has three other children who are fine, you know, who are fine.

01:07:06.180 It's this one who did this dastardly, dastardly deed.

01:07:09.560 But it does make you wonder, you know, like, I don't know.

01:07:14.920 You've got a kid who's 15, he's severely addicted.

01:07:18.100 Do you leave Hollywood?

01:07:19.940 Do you give up your directing career?

01:07:22.460 Do you devote your full time to this teenager, this child who you've brought into the world,

01:07:28.800 who is legally and morally your responsibility?

01:07:32.300 Like, do you give up your career directing movies and being the toast of the town to just

01:07:39.960 focus full time on that child and the others who you still have in your home?

01:07:45.380 I don't know.

01:07:46.340 Here's Rob Reiner kind of defending the notion that his son Nick was privileged on that St.

01:07:53.500 Paul Mercurio podcast in 2016, Saw 12.

01:07:57.740 It's not hard to reveal that stuff.

01:07:59.620 It's only hard to reveal that stuff to then get told, you're a spoiled, white, rich kid.

01:08:05.580 And it's like, okay, maybe all these things.

01:08:07.880 Well, who would say that to you?

01:08:08.840 Not your dad.

01:08:09.580 No, no, but the world, you know.

01:08:12.040 Listen, I had to talk to him about this.

01:08:14.760 Listen, I know what it's like to be the son of and to have people assume certain things

01:08:20.540 about you.

01:08:21.180 And it's very, very difficult.

01:08:22.840 Well, how did you handle that?

01:08:24.180 Well, I mean, I mean, obviously you didn't go to drugs, but you must have had those issues.

01:08:28.000 Your father's an icon.

01:08:28.900 In the 60s, there was plenty of drugs around, but you just have to know what you do and

01:08:35.760 that you have to block out all that extraneous noise.

01:08:38.560 And it's hard for him because this is the first time he's, you know, all of a sudden there's

01:08:42.440 a lot of attention.

01:08:43.240 People are talking and, you know, he has the double whammy.

01:08:46.620 He's got me and he's got his grandfather and they're going to say whatever the heck

01:08:49.600 they want.

01:08:50.120 But they don't know.

01:08:51.120 They don't know what he's experienced.

01:08:52.580 They don't know what he's gone through.

01:08:53.680 They don't know why he's done what he does.

01:08:56.360 And, you know, and it's pretty dumb, pretty ignorant of people to say, just because you're,

01:09:02.200 you know, you're born and you have money.

01:09:04.140 And that doesn't mean anything.

01:09:05.760 I don't know, Emily, what do you, what do you make of all that?

01:09:10.440 I mean, in all of the clips that you've played of them on this press tour together, the sun

01:09:15.360 looks deeply uncomfortable, which is understandable.

01:09:18.780 Nick looks deeply, deeply uncomfortable.

01:09:20.880 And that line from apparently the family yoga instructor in the Daily Mail about struggling

01:09:27.000 to cope with fame.

01:09:28.040 I mean, I was doing the math.

01:09:29.520 He would have been born in the early 90s, probably like 1993.

01:09:32.700 So honestly, that's arguably the height of Rob Reiner's power and fame.

01:09:37.480 And so he's born into that, which is just that time to be a toddler than to be a teenager.

01:09:44.260 I mean, it had to have been enormously, enormously difficult.

01:09:47.360 And I think that's what they're kind of getting at is that, you know, people look at somebody

01:09:51.360 in that position as privileged and spoiled and all of that, which they are, but that brings

01:09:56.060 with it its own special bag of suffering and difficulties and all of that.

01:10:03.040 And when I saw that first clip that we played from this press tour, he mentioned when the

01:10:11.360 interviewer said, your dad's Rob Reiner, you know, sort of like, isn't that amazing?

01:10:15.100 You got to learn that your dad is Rob Reiner.

01:10:17.600 He did not seem to find it nearly as amusing as the interviewer kind of set him up to express.

01:10:24.280 It looked like there's, he looks like he was struggling with a lot of resentment.

01:10:27.160 And again, it is, it's armchair quarterbacking, but I feel like it's just jumping off of the

01:10:31.980 screen in those interviews, sadly.

01:10:34.440 God, it's, it reminded me so much of, it was late last week.

01:10:39.600 You know how you scroll your phone in the morning?

01:10:41.360 I know we're not supposed to, Gary Brekka, but I did it.

01:10:44.060 And they, this video was fed to me on my Instagram of Presley Gerber, the son, the beautiful son

01:10:52.900 of Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber.

01:10:56.200 He's a businessman and came up with George Clooney with Casamigos Tequila.

01:11:00.700 And they've got more money than God and very good genes, thanks to Cindy.

01:11:04.880 And, um, they have two children, um, Kaya Gerber, who's a very successful model and Presley Gerber,

01:11:10.980 her brother, he's the older, um, who's also a model and deeply troubled, deeply troubled.

01:11:19.380 We had seen him in the past, like get a facial tattoo, which by the way, is not visible in the

01:11:23.420 video I'm about to show you.

01:11:24.720 Maybe he's had it removed.

01:11:26.020 Maybe, maybe that was BS.

01:11:27.560 I don't know, but he had a facial tattoo.

01:11:28.860 It looked like for a while.

01:11:30.480 Um, and he has been in and out of rehab himself and now is posting, I guess he's clean and

01:11:36.580 sober at the moment.

01:11:37.200 And he's posting something like mental health Mondays posts on his Instagram.

01:11:41.000 And he too is, he's only 26 years old, very young.

01:11:45.220 And I could not believe the level of issues that he espoused of his own in what's an, like

01:11:53.060 an eight minute video.

01:11:54.020 We cut it way down just to give you a feel.

01:11:56.620 Watch this.

01:11:57.300 Saw 12B.

01:11:59.520 Long story short, where I'm at currently, three classes of medications.

01:12:03.900 I don't know, four.

01:12:05.520 Blood pressure, opiate, benzo, antidepressant, Xanax, when the panic attacks are really, really

01:12:12.480 bad.

01:12:12.880 The Valium, I take a little bit in the morning or not, I don't know if it's a little or a

01:12:17.420 lot.

01:12:17.780 Antidepressant wise, mirtazapine.

01:12:20.500 And then I take prazosin, also used to treat night carers and PTSD and ketamine drips.

01:12:27.580 I definitely use that more than I should.

01:12:31.220 Sometimes it's not in a clinical setting.

01:12:33.220 In a way, he's a walking time bomb.

01:12:35.360 Presley says he is now five months alcohol free and wants to wean off these drugs, but

01:12:40.820 getting help from his doctors hasn't been easy.

01:12:43.140 Once you start taking them, you don't take them to quote unquote withdrawal from certain

01:12:48.360 medications.

01:12:48.840 That was a clip from Entertainment Tonight talking about how, you know, he wants to get

01:12:54.580 off of all of this, but he can't.

01:12:56.800 That's what he talks about in that clip.

01:12:58.320 Like, I don't even know how to begin to get off of all these.

01:13:01.300 And he also talks about being in and out of rehab.

01:13:03.580 I think he said seven or eight times and he's only 26.

01:13:07.760 I don't like, I'm not blaming their fame and wealth.

01:13:11.780 As I just pointed out, I had a sister who was an addict and we had no money.

01:13:15.920 So it's, it's not, you know, it's not about that.

01:13:18.600 Like some people do come into the world with an, a different body chemistry.

01:13:22.260 I really do believe that that can lead them down a dark path.

01:13:26.700 Like the truth is my sister was never like super happy.

01:13:30.040 You know, I think she was more prone to this type of addiction.

01:13:35.160 It was, I mean, she was given her the drug as though it was not addictive.

01:13:37.820 And so I just think she was more vulnerable to it, but they, so that can also be, I don't

01:13:43.400 mean to say, oh, Cindy Crawford sucks and she shouldn't work.

01:13:45.500 But I do also think that like, no matter how big your life is, if your kid has got this

01:13:49.840 issue, it's all hands on deck, full-time attention, or it doesn't go down a good path.

01:13:57.480 Mm-hmm.

01:13:58.060 Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:59.240 And one of the hard things, I mean, this is almost a tragic irony is that we were just

01:14:03.880 watching that interview where Rob Reiner talks about, uh, actually he's one of the few people

01:14:08.440 if ever there were, cause I think a lot of the suffering in cases like this, just listening

01:14:11.680 to Presley Gerber there, is that there are so few people, if you're ultra famous and

01:14:16.700 maybe some of your suffering or some of your addiction issues stem from trying to cope

01:14:22.380 with the entire world, knowing who your mom is, having camera, like cameras everywhere,

01:14:27.820 paparazzi sometimes.

01:14:29.020 Like there's just a psychological stress that has to come with that.

01:14:32.060 That's so few people can understand.

01:14:34.200 And in this case, Rob Reiner, we watched a clip of him talking about how he actually is

01:14:37.520 one of the few people who could have understood possibly what his son was going through because

01:14:42.080 he was also, as he put it, a son of.

01:14:45.120 And so in this case, I mean, that should have been a help and maybe it was over the years,

01:14:52.460 but I have to imagine so many, I agree.

01:14:55.320 I mean, there are people who are just born into the world with a darkness, although I've

01:14:59.600 seen that, uh, also, you know, be, be lifted.

01:15:02.240 And I think faith is an enormous help.

01:15:04.000 Um, and Megan, I don't know if you saw that video that Andrew Colvett posted of Rob Reiner

01:15:08.480 reacting after Charlie was killed and after the memorial service.

01:15:12.240 We have it.

01:15:12.700 We have it.

01:15:12.720 Oh my gosh.

01:15:13.000 Hold on.

01:15:13.400 I'll, I'll, I'll show it.

01:15:14.980 Um, here it is, SOT 13.

01:15:18.180 When you first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was your immediate gut reaction to it?

01:15:26.540 Well, horror, absolute horror.

01:15:29.600 Uh, and I unfortunately saw the video of it and it's, uh, it's in this, it's beyond belief

01:15:39.500 what happened to him and, uh, that should never happen to anybody.

01:15:43.960 I don't care what your political beliefs are.

01:15:46.300 That's not acceptable.

01:15:48.200 That's not a solution, uh, to, uh, to solving problems.

01:15:52.740 And, uh, I felt like what, uh, his wife said at the, uh, the service that the memorial they

01:15:59.440 had was exactly right.

01:16:01.480 And totally, I believe, you know, I'm, I'm Jewish, but I, uh, I believe in the teachings

01:16:06.720 of Jesus and, uh, I believe in doing to others and I believe in forgiveness.

01:16:11.440 And what she said to me was, uh, uh, beautiful and absolutely, uh, you know, when she, she

01:16:19.040 forgave, uh, his, his assassin.

01:16:22.820 And I think that that is, uh, admirable.

01:16:27.220 And the reason I thought of that, it just, it liberates you from so much of that pain, uh,

01:16:33.060 to be able to forgive.

01:16:34.100 And obviously the more we're learning, uh, his son was not able to forgive.

01:16:39.180 And that can happen when you have chemical addiction issues, chemical depression issues,

01:16:43.440 obviously.

01:16:44.480 Uh, but I thought seeing that clip, I mean, it just gives you chills.

01:16:48.360 As you said, Megan, within three months, he would be dead.

01:16:51.300 What a classy response that is Rob Reiner.

01:16:54.040 Uh, I think in a nutshell, somebody who was able to muster these very soaring depictions

01:16:59.420 of America, the best, maybe the best who ever did it.

01:17:03.520 Even if it's New York city.

01:17:04.540 And when Harry met Sally, if it's a courtroom, uh, like what we just saw, I mean, he was

01:17:09.280 able to do that in such a beautiful way.

01:17:11.780 Uh, he played Michael Stivick, one of the great American characters, uh, and the best

01:17:16.840 of Norman Lear, I think is, is Michael Stivick, uh, and the relationship between Michael

01:17:20.820 Stivick, Meathead and Archie Bunker.

01:17:23.140 Uh, and so I just think, you know, watching that clip of Rob Reiner saying how moved he was

01:17:29.060 by Erica Kirk, being able to forgive, you know, believing in the teachings of Jesus,

01:17:32.360 being able to forgive Charlie's killer.

01:17:35.040 Uh, it's a reminder to me of, of how liberating, uh, the, the, just the, the act, the difficult

01:17:40.520 act of forgiveness can be and how burdensome it can be when you're unable to do that.

01:17:45.300 He, um, also tweeted out until Trump goes to prison.

01:17:51.240 I will no longer be posting on Twitter.

01:17:52.720 I've had it with the insults and put downs.

01:17:54.820 Fuck all of you, MAGA assholes.

01:17:56.460 Now that I only raised that we've all had nasty tweets.

01:18:00.540 He was particularly nasty in his tweets and he really hated Trump.

01:18:04.240 And that is not an excuse, but it is an explanation in part for what Trump did this morning,

01:18:11.080 which was no bueno.

01:18:13.640 He posted on true social, a very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood.

01:18:18.940 Rob Reiner starts off good.

01:18:20.400 Well, Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy

01:18:26.700 star has passed away together with his wife, Michelle reportedly due to the anger he caused

01:18:31.960 others through his massive unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease

01:18:37.700 known as Trump derangement syndrome.

01:18:39.320 Oh, good gracious.

01:18:40.660 Sometimes referred to as TDS.

01:18:42.780 He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession of President Donald J.

01:18:47.860 Trump with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed

01:18:52.080 all goals and expectations of greatness.

01:18:54.260 And with the golden age of America upon us, perhaps like never before.

01:18:59.040 May Rob and Michelle rest in peace.

01:19:01.600 This is so bad.

01:19:02.780 This is not a good post in any way, shape or form.

01:19:06.940 And I really wish he hadn't done it because can I say the right has been responding totally

01:19:13.680 appropriately to Rob Reiner's murder.

01:19:16.080 I haven't seen anyone offer any sort of the vile contempt for Reiner that we saw the left

01:19:23.780 say about Charlie Kirk after he was killed.

01:19:26.560 Again, not Rob Reiner in response to Charlie, but the left, a lot of them.

01:19:31.080 And then in comes the chief of the Republican Party and the commander in chief of the country

01:19:37.400 with that.

01:19:39.760 Not helpful, not the right tone for the moment, not a good example, and really just unfair

01:19:47.600 to just don't do that to a man when he's just died.

01:19:51.640 There's a time, there's a time it's much later.

01:19:54.440 It's much later in my view.

01:19:56.500 There are a lot of people say, oh, you can talk about when you're talking about legacy,

01:19:58.780 you can talk about the bad stuff, too.

01:20:00.140 OK, I get it.

01:20:00.960 But like, let's not be petty about the suffering.

01:20:03.660 Like, not only did he die, he died in the most brutal possible fashion with his family

01:20:07.980 completely blowing up, like just a touch of empathy or just say nothing, even though

01:20:13.340 he hated you and you hated him.

01:20:16.400 It's perfectly acceptable to say nothing if the alternative is saying that.

01:20:21.620 And I saw a reporter just before we went to air actually posting the responses on Truth

01:20:26.320 Social to Trump's post.

01:20:28.080 And it was a bunch of MAGA people saying this was the wrong move.

01:20:31.740 This was not the move for the moment.

01:20:33.440 And so you have this juxtaposition of basically no mainstream conservative other than the actual

01:20:39.320 president of the United States, the leader of the Republican Party, in any way, in any

01:20:44.240 way, you know, dancing on Rob Reiner's grave.

01:20:47.580 And that might be a hyperbolic way to describe what Trump just did, but he is politicizing

01:20:52.960 it in ways that the right, I think, appropriately criticized people for doing after Charlie died.

01:20:58.620 And it does remind me of that moment at Charlie's funeral, because we were talking about forgiveness,

01:21:03.540 where Trump jokingly said, you know, I'm not quite like Erica, because we were talking

01:21:07.740 about Rob Reiner's extension of gratitude for what Erica Kirk said in agreement with what

01:21:13.220 Erica Kirk said.

01:21:14.320 That is not Donald Trump.

01:21:15.320 It never will be Donald Trump.

01:21:17.080 I think it is, you know, to the extent that he's a sort of moral representative that has

01:21:22.200 always posed problems.

01:21:23.220 And it poses problems now, because whether you like Rob Reiner or not, his politics, that

01:21:27.640 post that you read really typified Rob Reiner's approach to politics, kind of a Hollywood

01:21:31.940 liberal who was really had had it with MAGA, was looking down on MAGA.

01:21:38.960 But people loved him.

01:21:40.440 People loved him.

01:21:41.180 They remembered him as meathead.

01:21:42.320 And maybe he turned into a little bit of a reverse Archie Bunker in his later years.

01:21:46.860 But we are accustomed to that as a country, partially because of Rob Reiner helping us work

01:21:52.980 through that with the examples.

01:21:55.520 I don't know.

01:21:56.320 Personally, I am praying for his family.

01:21:58.600 This is a hellacious day and the start of the holiday season and Hanukkah.

01:22:03.960 And I cannot imagine what they're going through.

01:22:05.580 My heart goes out.

01:22:06.300 I want to keep going, because what happened in Australia is also disturbing.

01:22:11.200 It's that kind of day.

01:22:12.440 And that is a different kettle of fish.

01:22:14.420 That is an Islamic terror attack.

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01:25:57.080 There was a pair of gunmen that targeted a Hanukkah event at Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia on Sunday.

01:26:08.780 Our pal Dan Wooten says Bondi Beach is like Times Square.

01:26:12.040 It's like the place you go when you go to Australia, which sadly I've never been.

01:26:15.260 The death toll now stands at 15, with over 40 injured, and the scenes of the shooters and the people running for their lives are unforgettable.

01:26:25.420 Here's some.

01:26:36.580 This is dark.

01:26:37.560 It's so weird because it's, again, on a beach.

01:26:54.100 It's just people are frolicking.

01:26:55.560 You know, you go to the beach, it's super fun.

01:26:57.360 Like, it's frivolous.

01:26:59.540 And now there's a death threat.

01:27:01.700 Multiple outlets have reported the shooters are father and son, 50-year-old Sajid Akram and his 24-year-old son, Naveed.

01:27:09.820 Sajid was shot dead.

01:27:11.540 Naveed was shot and is in critical condition.

01:27:14.160 Per the BBC, the father came to Australia on a student visa, and he stayed on in the country for decades on different kinds of visas.

01:27:21.440 They were refusing to say what country he came from.

01:27:24.140 Why is that?

01:27:25.120 Why can't we know what country he came from as he shows up to murder Australians with an ISIS flag on his fucking car?

01:27:34.000 Tell us what country he's from.

01:27:36.640 The prime minister of Australia is omitting that from the details.

01:27:42.120 His son was born in Australia and thus was Australian.

01:27:46.120 The Daily Telegraph in Australia reporting that the pair had spent a month in the Philippines in the lead up to the massacre.

01:27:52.240 One of the world's top extremist hotspots, and ABC News in Australia is reporting that the son came to the attention of Australia's domestic intelligence agency six years ago for potential ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State terror cell, but ultimately they deemed him to not be a threat.

01:28:10.120 That was a fail.

01:28:11.640 Despite all that and Australia's strict, very strict gun laws, the father, Sajid, owned six guns registered to his name.

01:28:19.860 During the shooting, a bystander risked his own life to try to stop one of the gunmen.

01:28:25.140 In this video I'm about to play you, you will see the bystander, now identified as 43-year-old Ahmed Al-Akhmed, a Muslim father of two, run at the gunman and strip away his gun.

01:28:35.800 Watch.

01:28:36.060 It's incredible, he's trying to wrestle him to the ground.

01:28:54.400 He got his gun.

01:28:56.140 He's got his gun on the shooter.

01:29:02.340 Fires.

01:29:04.380 I'm missing.

01:29:05.020 Oh, it's the other guy firing at him.

01:29:08.700 And he does get shot.

01:29:10.020 Ahmed gets shot.

01:29:14.640 And the son stumbles away.

01:29:17.600 The gunman later retreats, you saw the beginning of it there, to the bridge from which the Tepera were firing,

01:29:22.700 and started firing again at the direction of Al-Akhmed and another man hiding with him behind a tree.

01:29:28.100 When the other man hiding with Al-Akhmed behind the tree starts running away, he was shot.

01:29:33.880 Watch.

01:29:35.020 They're two hiding there.

01:29:44.020 They're two hiding there.

01:29:45.240 They're two hiding there.

01:29:45.660 One gets up.

01:29:46.960 They're two on the bridge.

01:29:48.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:49.100 He's running.

01:29:50.200 You're good at all?

01:29:50.960 Yeah.

01:29:51.160 And he got shot.

01:29:58.160 Al-Akhmed now recovering in the hospital.

01:30:02.480 The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reports he was shot in the hand and the arm.

01:30:07.080 This is a picture of this man who tried to stop what he saw and, without a gun, just ran in there and tried to disarm the—we believe it was the son.

01:30:16.040 He's a local fruit shop owner, but did have experience working in law enforcement.

01:30:21.420 His father told ABC, my son is a hero.

01:30:23.740 He served in the police.

01:30:24.660 He has the passion to defend people.

01:30:26.520 When he saw people lying on the ground in the blood, quickly his conscience pushed him to attack one of the terrorists.

01:30:32.520 And now, Emily, we're learning a lot more.

01:30:38.320 They say that this went on for minutes and minutes and minutes.

01:30:44.560 We hear sirens throughout the video that we've seen.

01:30:48.420 And you can also hear in some of these videos witnesses shouting, where are the cops?

01:30:52.700 It's more than four minutes into the video before incoming shots targeting the attacker strike the bridge.

01:30:57.880 And eyewitnesses to the attack say that four armed police officers who were there did not return fire.

01:31:04.620 There is video of one female cop appearing to cower behind a police car instead of shooting at the attackers.

01:31:15.460 Maybe there's more to the story.

01:31:17.300 That bystander didn't seem to feel any fear.

01:31:20.080 And this is from a country that has the world's strictest gun control measures, you know, anywhere.

01:31:25.180 I mean, literally the world's strictest and yet still bad men who are on the radar of the police, at least one of them, as being connected with ISIS.

01:31:33.660 Then I guess it gets moved off the radar and then they go to the Philippines for a month, become further radicalized.

01:31:39.800 You'd think they'd be at least still on the watch list for flights like that.

01:31:43.620 Come back, put the ISIS flag on their car, have two more ISIS flags inside their vehicle reportedly.

01:31:49.140 Get out with the six guns that the dad had and shoot 40 people.

01:31:52.680 I mean, how does this happen?

01:31:55.180 Australia is obviously already talking about guns, but they should consider that whether it's guns, pressure cooker bombs or cars.

01:32:03.940 We have seen plenty of car attacks in Europe, actually here in the United States.

01:32:09.620 What they're sharing in common here is Islamic militant Islamism.

01:32:14.320 And Rod Dreher had an interesting note on his sub stack this morning where he wrote, reportedly, the hero in this case, when you're playing that video, I basically wanted to jump out of my chair and start applauding, is also Muslim.

01:32:26.740 And Dreher wrote, you know, there are Muslims around the world, we should keep in mind, who are also sick of this bullshit militant Islamism.

01:32:36.500 And that's what you see in this case, apparently, with the hero who stops the shooting.

01:32:43.020 But if you're going to talk about guns, there's something so much deeper, so much deeper, that political correctness in the West has blinded us to paying attention at the degree.

01:32:55.880 We all know this. I mean, everybody knows this. We've known this for, what, 20 years, the degree to which we need to take these these cases seriously.

01:33:04.280 I mean, one of them being on the radar of police and being cleared.

01:33:07.500 I am very curious to hear the various layers of that story and how that ended up happening, because I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that there was a lack of seriousness dedicated to the ideological component.

01:33:22.140 Good point. We see it. We see it all the time.

01:33:25.060 Did you hear the prime minister saying, yeah, we've got to look into, you know, radical Islamic violence and right wing violence, right wing violence, too?

01:33:33.600 What? What? Who says that at this moment?

01:33:37.560 You've got two jihadis, one dead, one in the hospital who just shot 40 people.

01:33:43.360 And you're going to why would you even mention right wing violence right now?

01:33:46.900 It's it's politics of once again.

01:33:49.120 It's politics. And then the politics bleeds into the substance where you end up, for the sake of political correctness, trying to devote as many resources to what's less of a threat.

01:33:59.460 I'm not saying that it's zero threat. But when you have time examples like this time and again, I mean, I remember when the the car examples, the parade examples first started happening really in the 2010s.

01:34:10.040 It reminds me of what we're thinking about now where you're at a beach.

01:34:12.420 I mean, you and I were both Americans. I actually don't know. I know a lot of people who concealed carry.

01:34:16.760 I don't know many people who concealed carry at a beach.

01:34:18.820 That is one of the places where you just don't even think.

01:34:23.260 I mean, it's associated with total relaxation and Zen.

01:34:27.800 But now you have to. Of course, you now have to.

01:34:30.280 Just like we've had to start putting up these stanchions during parades, Christmas parades.

01:34:34.620 And to be aware of cars. I mean, it's it's all rooted.

01:34:38.580 All of these cases over and over again have all been rooted in the same ideological poison of militant Islamism.

01:34:45.940 And to even, you know, gesture at right wing violence in this case suggests not just a posturing, but also something that's going to happen in the substance of law enforcement in Australia, which, again, we've seen happening for years now, too.

01:34:58.840 I mean, it's amazed me because Australia does not F around when it comes to immigration.

01:35:05.900 It's very hard to immigrate into Australia.

01:35:08.980 It's next to impossible to illegally immigrate into Australia.

01:35:12.900 But there has been a growing cry there, as here, as in Europe, from people whose families have been there for generations saying, what are we doing?

01:35:23.600 Who are we letting in here?

01:35:25.080 Why are we actively changing our culture and our country by by assimilator or trying to let in people who will not assimilate, who don't share our values, who don't share our cultures and who wind up posing a threat to us?

01:35:40.660 You know, I mean, it's not so long and it still exists.

01:35:42.880 Many cultures and many communities.

01:35:45.040 You're not allowed to ask that question.

01:35:47.300 Now, can we ask that question?

01:35:48.740 Can we ask it in Australia?

01:35:49.840 Can we ask it here?

01:35:50.720 Or, you know, it's like here we're seeing massive fraud in the Midwest with our money, which we and we've also seen jihad in America domestically in Minnesota, in Minnesota, in Minnesota.

01:36:02.780 But this is one of the most dark examples we've seen as of late.

01:36:05.480 They don't normally tack on the ISIS flag and make super clear exactly what they're doing.

01:36:10.260 Tim Walls and Ilhan Omar can't even admit, as other Somalis have done, by the way, that there may be a cultural component, indeed, that there is a cultural component to the fraud cases.

01:36:19.120 They can't even admit the fraud could stem from cultural reasons of assimilating a population.

01:36:25.640 By the way, that has, according to UNICEF, a 99% rate of female genital mutilation into the upper Midwest.

01:36:32.460 They can't even admit that there could be a cultural component to welfare fraud, let alone imagine that.

01:36:38.900 Imagine getting them to admit then that there would be something rooted in a religion where, by the way, it's not politically correct to say, but the prophet was a warlord.

01:36:47.620 Assimilating that into Western democracies, they can't even admit if the fraud is coming from it, let alone dedicating the necessary resources to actually stopping potential militant Islamic extremism.

01:37:05.340 You can see what a problem we have on our hands when the refugee politicization, the political correctness of refugee resettlement prevents people from even having a conversation about assimilation and fraud.

01:37:18.420 I mean, we are in, there are a lot of people in this country.

01:37:20.840 There are millions of people who came over the border during the Biden administration, some of whom were economic migrants, some of whom were genuine asylum seekers, some of whom actually want to do this country harm, many of whom actually want to do this country harm.

01:37:32.400 We have no idea where they are. The Trump administration now has to dig the country out of that hole.

01:37:37.560 So good luck to all of us, because this is the door has been open for the last four years.

01:37:43.220 Yeah, it's and of course, we're getting dealt blow after blow in the courts as Trump tries to get the ones who are here who have committed additional crimes out, like Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who just got released yet again by an Obama appointed judge.

01:37:58.140 She's dying for this guy to stay here. MS-13, accused gang member, accused serial wife abuser, accused trafficker of humans.

01:38:07.240 They're dying for him to stay here. Obama, Obama appointed judges, except because their judges make a nice living.

01:38:14.440 They may have security. They actually won't be the ones to die.

01:38:17.100 It's going to be the people in lower income communities who get killed by these illegals, like Jocelyn Nungare, the 12 year old killed by those two illegals who sexually assaulted her and then threw her off a bridge.

01:38:27.340 Um, the the most bizarre take on this has got to go to Chuck Schumer, who wanted to address both the mass shooting at Brown University and that in Australia.

01:38:41.900 And I'm not sure why, but handled it this way. Sot nine.

01:38:45.800 And of course, I'm going to say a few words about the terrible shooting in Sydney, Australia.

01:38:52.060 OK, so and first, of course, as I always say, no matter what, go Bills.

01:38:57.220 They beat the Patriots today. It's a big deal.

01:39:04.660 What?

01:39:05.280 I got nothing. I got nothing.

01:39:07.380 That's a life. That is a career politician.

01:39:10.040 How dumb do you how bad do you have to be at your career to say that?

01:39:14.140 It's amazing. Like if that had been Trump, that'd be headline news everywhere.

01:39:19.640 Trump's true social was definitely insensitive.

01:39:22.160 No question. We covered that.

01:39:23.540 So was this. What is that?

01:39:25.680 I don't care if you like the who gives a shit about the Bills when you as a lawmaker who has real responsibility for keeping people safe are supposed to be speaking to.

01:39:36.400 Teenagers dead at Brown University and kids from 10 all the way up to adults of 87, including a Holocaust survivor dead at the hands of ISIS extremists while sunning themselves on a beach in one of our closest allies.

01:39:51.740 Like, what the fuck? Who goes with go Bills?

01:39:55.880 He represents one of the most Jewish, like dense Jewish populations in the world.

01:40:03.020 And on top of that, Rhode Island is not that far from New York.

01:40:06.520 And there is a suspect who is not in detention.

01:40:09.960 There's there's somebody who is actually there's a perpetrator.

01:40:12.100 I shouldn't say suspect.

01:40:12.940 There's a perpetrator.

01:40:13.860 There's somebody who committed this crime, a violent murderer who was on the loose in New England.

01:40:18.900 And so on so many levels, that was just the worst possible response from Chuck Schumer.

01:40:24.720 You know, his staff is behind the cameras, just absolutely cringing.

01:40:28.360 He also doesn't care about the Bills.

01:40:29.960 I'm sorry, Chuck Schumer doesn't care about the Bills outside of politics.

01:40:32.340 So that kind of makes it even worse.

01:40:33.680 It's like he's trying to posture as like manly New York bro and can't even do that right.

01:40:41.040 All right. But his is not the worst response.

01:40:44.580 Speaking of politicians, the worst response has to go to Chris Murphy.

01:40:48.080 And this is about Brown University, which he tried to blame on Trump.

01:40:53.860 Watch this.

01:40:56.220 Not shocking, because over the last year, President Trump has been engaged in a dizzying campaign to increase violence in this country.

01:41:04.220 He is restoring gun rights to felons and people who have lost their ability to buy guns.

01:41:09.260 He eliminated the White House Office of Gun Violence Protection and he has stopped funding mental health grants and community anti-gun violence grants that Republicans and Democrats supported in that 2022 bill.

01:41:24.200 So he has been engaged in a pretty deliberate campaign to try to make violence more likely in this country.

01:41:32.340 That is unhinged.

01:41:35.740 You're right. That's worse.

01:41:37.700 Right. We used to have like some standards where we wouldn't do that shit.

01:41:40.560 Like unless you had clear evidence, the guy was like, I got my gun thanks to Donald Trump doing X.

01:41:46.840 You would never say that as a journalist, never mind a senator, a sitting U.S. senator.

01:41:51.860 Caution to the wind.

01:41:53.040 It's Trump's fault.

01:41:54.160 And by the way, I mean, I know you mentioned this earlier in the show, we are being careful about drawing any political conclusions from the fact that one of the students who was killed shot in the face reportedly was the vice president of the college Republicans chapter.

01:42:11.200 But that caution should have extended for obvious reasons.

01:42:14.240 I mean, this is one of the reasons you don't politicize in the early hours of a shooting like this, because it could turn out, in fact, that this was from a leftist with political motivations.

01:42:23.440 Again, one of the many reasons why Chris Murphy should probably have stuffed his politicization back into the recesses of his brain where it belonged on a Sunday morning show in the middle of a tragedy when the killer is still on the list.

01:42:38.040 It's just a completely crazy thing to do with with really no pushback from CNN like Dana Bash.

01:42:43.400 Like, OK, as a Western lensman who I follow on Twitter put it, Dana Bash provides an assist for this garbage rhetoric.

01:42:51.560 I'm not offended. No problem. Yeah. Sounds about right.

01:42:56.060 What a day, Emily. I don't know what to make of it.

01:42:58.560 You know, it's like you have to touch grass. You have to hug your kids.

01:43:02.480 Maybe have an eggnog.

01:43:05.060 You know, like you have you can't get too wrapped up in the darkness because it can it can really affect you.

01:43:11.480 Right. It's like this is one of those days like it just snowed over the weekend in the Northeast.

01:43:14.800 You got to go outside, walk in the in the snow covered streets and take deep breaths into your lungs and thank God that you're alive.

01:43:24.060 And hopefully your family is alive and well and try not to focus too much on the these tragedies.

01:43:29.400 When you have a series of them, it can really get you down.

01:43:32.240 But it's a wonderful time of the year, like the Christmas carols and the Christmas lights and the snow coming and Santa like there's so much to feel good about.

01:43:41.300 It's just, you know, you got to do the news. And today, man, what a whopper.

01:43:45.140 I was inspired to drink eggnog by you and Doug on Friday.

01:43:48.480 So thank you for such a gift. It's like, oh, it's eggnog season.

01:43:52.480 Did you add the nutmeg? That makes a nice difference.

01:43:54.960 It's wonderful. It's and that's what they do at a lot of restaurants.

01:43:58.000 If you order the eggnog too, so it feels extra professional, but you know, it's it's another reminder.

01:44:02.740 It did feel like MK true crime day here, but and Doug was right.

01:44:06.920 Like Dateline is what today's show felt like because of the news.

01:44:09.780 But it's another reminder that forgiveness really does set you free.

01:44:13.400 And that example, Erica Kirk set set in her speech at the memorial that can be so liberating.

01:44:19.360 If you're feeling like you're going into a dark place, just remembering going to scripture, learning about forgiveness and how powerful it can be.

01:44:25.480 It can make us all so much healthier to follow that example.

01:44:30.400 Speaking of Erica Kirk, there is big news.

01:44:33.240 She's having a one on one meeting today with Candace Owens.

01:44:37.900 I'll have a lot more to say about that tomorrow.

01:44:40.540 There's a tease for you.

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Outrageous Actions After Brown University Shooting, and Rob Reiner's Son Arrested For His Murder, with Emily Jashinsky ｜ Ep. 1213

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