The Megyn Kelly Show - Oval Office Showdown with South Africa's President, Trump Questions Biden's Autopen： AM Update 5⧸22

00:00:00.000 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. It's Thursday, May 22nd, 2025. And this is your

00:00:08.140 AM update. Generally, they're white farmers and they're fleeing South Africa. And it's 0.56

00:00:14.040 a very sad thing to see. A dramatic confrontation in the Oval Office as President Trump confronts

00:00:19.580 the president of South Africa over what he says is a genocide of white farmers.

00:00:24.340 You know who signed it? Radical left lunatics that were running our country and the autoped signed it. 0.97

00:00:30.200 President Trump reignites concerns over who was making key decisions during the Biden presidency

00:00:35.140 as new reporting says Mr. Biden was not calling the shots in his own White House.

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00:01:44.540 A wild confrontation in the Oval Office. President Trump welcoming South African

00:01:52.740 President Cyril Ramaphosa, a week after the U.S. admitted 59 white refugees from South Africa

00:01:59.240 who say they face discrimination in their home country. President Ramaphosa in January signing

00:02:05.060 a law allowing land seizures without compensation where it is just and equitable and in the public

00:02:11.640 interest. White people are about 7% of the population in South Africa, but hold about

00:02:16.900 three quarters of the farmland. In recent years, many accounts of grisly attacks on the South

00:02:22.400 African farms, including dozens of murders. The South African government does not release statistics

00:02:27.960 on race and crime, but a South African farmers union reports that of all murders between 1990 and

00:02:34.920 in 2017, 87% were of whites. President Trump has accused the South African government of allowing

00:02:42.120 a genocide against Afrikaners, a white minority group largely composed of farmers. Mr. Trump getting

00:02:48.720 right to it on Wednesday. A lot of people are very concerned with regard to South Africa,

00:02:54.180 and that's really the purpose of the meeting, and we'll see how that turns out. But we have many people

00:02:59.400 that feel they're being persecuted, and they're coming to the United States. So we take from many

00:03:04.660 of many locations if we feel there's persecution or genocide going on. And we had a lot of people,

00:03:12.900 I must tell you, Mr. President, we have had a tremendous number of people, especially since they've seen

00:03:18.600 this. Generally, they're white farmers, and they're fleeing South Africa. And it's, you know,

00:03:25.300 it's a very sad thing to see. But I hope we can have an explanation of that, because I know you

00:03:31.080 don't want that. President Ramaphosa emphatically denies accusations of a genocide in his country,

00:03:36.120 one reporter questioning President Trump. What will it take for you to be convinced that there's

00:03:42.140 no white genocide in South Africa? Well, I can answer that for President. It will take President 0.72

00:03:48.040 Trump listening to the voices of South Africans, some of whom are his good friends, like those

00:03:56.180 who are here. When we have talks between us at a quiet table, it will take President Trump

00:04:02.740 to listen to them. I'm not going to be repeating what I've been saying. I would say if there was

00:04:09.660 Africana farmer genocide, I can bet you these three gentlemen would not be here, including 1.00

00:04:16.620 my minister of agriculture. We have thousands of stories talking about it. I could show you

00:04:23.380 a couple of things. It has to be responded to. Turn the lights down and just put this

00:04:28.360 on. It's right behind you. A revolution demands that at some point there must be killing, because

00:04:35.700 the killing is part of a revolutionary act. Kill the poor, the farmer. Following the four and a half 0.99

00:04:43.480 minute video, President Trump flipping through a stack of news articles detailing what he says are

00:04:48.140 vicious crimes perpetrated against white South African farmers. Mr. Trump pointing out that the

00:04:53.380 people in the video calling to shoot and kill white farmers are political leaders chanting to packed 0.97

00:04:58.680 stadiums holding 100,000 supporters. President Ramaphosa and the South African agricultural minister 0.98

00:05:04.860 pushing back. What you saw, the speeches that were being made, one, that is not government policy.

00:05:12.900 We have a multi-party democracy in South Africa that allows people to express themselves. Our government

00:05:19.780 policy is completely, completely against what he was saying. As the minister of agriculture,

00:05:28.900 it is something that I am particularly exercised with my colleagues at police and my colleagues in

00:05:35.640 the Justice Cluster to start making farm attacks and stock theft a priority crime. And it affects all

00:05:42.720 farms in South Africa, particularly stock theft. It has a disproportionate effect on small

00:05:47.020 other black farms. I also want to just say this, that the two individuals that are in that video

00:05:52.780 that you've seen, are both leaders of opposition minority parties in South Africa. Now the reason

00:05:59.680 that my party, the Democratic Alliance, which has been an opposition party over 30 years, chose to

00:06:05.660 join hands with Mr. Ramaphosa's party, was precisely to keep those people out of power. So you denounced

00:06:12.260 that type of language in the video that you saw? Oh yes, we've always done so. As government, as my own

00:06:18.920 party, we are completely opposed to that. The agricultural minister confirming attacks on farmers, but

00:06:25.900 saying they affect black farmers as well, telling Mr. Trump South Africa is seeking new trade and security

00:06:31.660 partnerships to help protect all farmers, specifically highlighting the need for expanded access to

00:06:37.240 Starlink, the satellite internet company founded by Elon Musk. Mr. Musk, born in South Africa, though now a US

00:06:44.040 citizen, is a vocal critic of the country's black economic empowerment laws, which in some cases

00:06:49.740 require companies to be at least 30% black owned in order to operate. Bloomberg reporting South African

00:06:56.760 officials held a meeting with Mr. Musk prior to their Oval Office visit, reportedly preparing to offer him a

00:07:02.960 workaround to those racial ownership requirements in order to bring Starlink into the country. Mr. Musk asked

00:07:09.520 about the potential deal on Tuesday at the Qatar Economic Forum, criticizing the law.

00:07:15.220 Bloomberg broke news today that the South African government is working around the rules on black

00:07:19.920 ownership in order to allow Starlink in, and that is being done on the eve of the visit that President

00:07:25.800 Ramaphosa is going to make to the White House. Do you recognize that as a conflict of interest?

00:07:32.300 No, of course not. First of all, you should be questioning, why are there racist laws in South Africa?

00:07:37.120 That's the first problem. That's what you should be attacking. It's improper for there to be racist

00:07:42.140 laws in South Africa. The whole idea with what Nelson Mandela, who was a great man, proposed was that

00:07:48.320 all racers should be on an equal footing in South Africa. That's the right thing to do, not to replace

00:07:53.380 one set of racist laws with another set of racist laws, which is utterly wrong and improper.

00:07:57.900 The White House meeting with South African leaders comes at a critical moment. President Trump now

00:08:02.140 threatening to pull out of the G20 summit set for Johannesburg this November, unless South Africa

00:08:07.480 addresses U.S. concerns over race-based laws and violence against its citizens. The move would mark

00:08:13.020 a dramatic diplomatic snub, putting the first-ever G20 hosted on the African continent at risk of losing

00:08:18.800 its most powerful member. Democrats and legacy media reckoning with the fallout from the Biden book

00:08:26.440 Original Sin, which paints a damning portrait of the effort to conceal the true extent of President

00:08:32.140 Biden's cognitive decline in office. Co-authors Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson's reporting depicting

00:08:37.840 President Biden as merely a senior member of a board rather than a commander-in-chief. Alex Thompson

00:08:44.440 telling The Megyn Kelly Show on Tuesday even Biden cabinet secretaries questioned who was making the

00:08:49.800 decisions. What happened is they closed ranks. They had the cabinet members come in and brief senior

00:08:55.220 staff. And then the senior staff would brief the president. And one member of the cabinet put it

00:09:00.980 to us this way. Yes, the president is officially making the decision, you know, putting the sign,

00:09:06.400 dotted line. But if the decision is framed in a certain way, is it really a decision? And are really

00:09:13.880 they the ones making the decision? You know, some people also felt that this began, you know, as early

00:09:19.940 as 2021 when, you know, the Biden administration, you know, went pretty far to the left of where Joe

00:09:27.020 Biden had been for a lot of his career. With these revelations, President Trump reigniting concerns

00:09:32.500 about President Biden's use of the auto pen, a device that signs the president's signature to official

00:09:37.760 documents without his physical presence. While the practice is legal and not new, President Trump and

00:09:43.940 other critics argue its frequent use under Mr. Biden raises questions about how often and how

00:09:49.220 directly the president engaged in key decisions. Look, it's a very sad thing what happened, but I

00:09:54.760 really wanted to start looking into this whole thing with who signed this legislation, who signed

00:09:59.480 legislation opening our border. I don't think he knew. I said there's nobody that can want an open

00:10:04.780 border. Nobody. And now I find out that it wasn't. He auto penned it. Who was operating the auto pen?

00:10:12.100 This is a very serious thing. We had a president that didn't sign anything. He auto penned almost

00:10:17.320 everything. He opened the borders of the United States of America. And I kept saying, who would do

00:10:23.320 such a thing? Allowing criminals to pour in from all over the world. No sane person would sign it.

00:10:29.080 You know who signed it? Radical left lunatics that were running our country. And the auto pen signed it. 0.99

00:10:34.060 When Joe Biden entered the 2020 race, many in the Democratic establishment pitching him as a

00:10:39.200 stabilizing force, a moderate elder statesman who could steady the ship after the turbulent

00:10:44.520 Trump years. The Biden presidency deviating sharply from that image, most notably at the southern

00:10:50.220 border. President Trump following up his remarks on Tuesday with a post on Truth Social, reading in

00:10:55.720 part, quote, it was the people that knew he was cognitively impaired and that took over the auto

00:11:01.060 pen. They stole the presidency of the United States and put us in great danger. This is treason at the

00:11:07.140 highest level. They did it to destroy our country. Something very severe should happen to these

00:11:12.060 treasonous thugs that wanted to destroy our country but couldn't because I came along.

00:11:18.120 Coming up, the latest details from the Sean Diddy Combs criminal trial, including more information on

00:11:23.140 the items recovered from the home search. And Democrat Congressman Jerry Connolly passes away following a

00:11:28.820 battle with cancer. As President Trump is settling into his new administration, one of the top Democrats

00:11:38.320 in Congress aiming to undermine the Trump agenda is Democrat Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois. And

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00:12:08.320 consider telling your senators to stop Dick Durbin's government takeover of your credit card before it's

00:12:14.080 too late. The Sean Diddy Combs trial continuing Wednesday in a New York federal courtroom. Homeland Security

00:12:23.600 special agent Gerard Gannon kicking off the day with more details of the March 2024 search of Mr.

00:12:29.700 Combs's Miami home. Agent Gannon testifying to finding cocaine, ketamine, and MDMA contained in a

00:12:36.520 Gucci bag within Combs's closet. The jury shown more photos of the items found, including boxes containing

00:12:42.980 25 bottles of baby oil, 31 bottles of personal lubricant. Gannon also telling the jury a handgun was

00:12:49.940 recovered in a guard shack on the property. On cross-examination, Gannon telling the defense

00:12:54.820 the AR-15 rifles found in Combs's closet were dismantled and not loaded. Forensic psychologist

00:13:01.160 Dawn Hughes then taking the stand. Ms. Hughes previously testified in other high-profile cases,

00:13:06.680 including the Amber Heard-Johnny Depp trial and the R. Kelly case. Hughes testifying that she had not

00:13:12.800 personally assessed anyone involved in this case. The psychologist called to explain why

00:13:17.740 some victims stay in abusive relationships, saying abusers use other methods of control

00:13:23.480 beyond just the physical. Quote, it's not just about hitting, it's about a lot of abusive behaviors

00:13:29.340 that make a victim feel trapped. Combs's ex-girlfriend, Cassie Ventura, last week telling the court Combs

00:13:35.800 would often call dozens of times in a row in periods where they broke up, also sending security guards

00:13:41.340 to contact Ventura if she did not respond. The expert witness telling prosecutors, quote, there's almost

00:13:47.120 always also love between an abuser and the abused and that it is common for victims to wait months

00:13:53.960 or years before talking about the abuse. The defense portraying Ms. Hughes as a hired gun who will say 0.95

00:14:00.240 anything for money so long as it's against a man accused of a sex crime. Prosecutors working to

00:14:05.660 portray star witness Cassie Ventura as a victim of Combs as they try to prove she was sex trafficked,

00:14:11.860 a central pillar of the case against him. The defense arguing while the relationship was volatile,

00:14:17.120 Ms. Ventura was a willing participant in the so-called freak-offs. 1.00

00:14:22.760 Democrat Congressman from Virginia Jerry Connolly died on Wednesday, age 75. The longtime lawmaker

00:14:29.240 revealing in April that his esophageal cancer, first diagnosed in November 2024, had returned despite

00:14:35.800 initial success combating the disease. Mr. Connolly then announcing he would not seek re-election and

00:14:41.820 was planning to step down as ranking member of the House Oversight Committee. Despite his diagnosis,

00:14:47.480 establishment Democrats last December, backing Mr. Connolly in a high-profile internal race for the

00:14:52.980 top oversight seat to defeat challenger AOC. Mr. Connolly's death leaving open a safe blue seat

00:15:00.100 in Virginia's 11th district. While the district will likely stay in Democrat hands, the vacancy leaving

00:15:06.140 Republicans with a 220 to 212 advantage. Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin has not yet announced

00:15:12.780 a date for the special election. And that'll do it for your AM Update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back

00:15:19.220 here for The Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Triumph Channel 111 at noon east, on youtube.com slash

00:15:24.880 Megan Kelly, and on all podcast platforms.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 22, 2025

Oval Office Showdown with South Africa's President, Trump Questions Biden's Autopen： AM Update 5⧸22

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