The Megyn Kelly Show - Oz Takes the Lead, and ＂Family Friendly Drag Show,＂ with Jeremy Boreing, Robert Cahaly, and Carrie Prejean

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:16.260 Our tech issues from yesterday have been worked out and we are ready for a packed show for you.

00:00:21.460 The first post-debate poll in the Pennsylvania Senate race between John Fetterman and Dr. Oz

00:00:27.960 has just been released. It shows Oz breaking away with a nearly three-point lead. I don't think

00:00:34.940 there's been another poll showing Oz leading, and this is post-debate, as I mentioned. The race is

00:00:40.080 now tighter than it has ever been. With 10 days to go until Election Day, Robert Cahaly from Trafalgar

00:00:46.220 is here with analysis on that race and his overall election night predictions. He comes on in just a

00:00:52.180 bit. But first, Kanye, Ye, West. Is it Ye or Ye? I don't know. I can't remember. Ye, Ye. It's like

00:01:01.020 Kanye. Ye. Ye, Ye. Ye, West remains in the headlines as multiple companies cut ties with him. Yesterday,

00:01:12.520 he claimed that he lost $2 billion in one day due to these lost deals. The controversy over West,

00:01:19.000 the statements he has made and his friendship with Candace Owens, causing some trouble for our

00:01:25.460 pals over at The Daily Wire, who have come under fire as well on multiple fronts. Jeremy Boring

00:01:32.060 co-founded The Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro. He serves as its co-CEO. And Jeremy joins me now for an

00:01:39.160 exclusive interview. Mr. Boring, welcome back to the show. Megan, happy to be here. Thanks

00:01:48.980 for having me on. Great to have you. You know, I got to be honest. I was kind of surprised it's still

00:01:52.900 going on. I'm like, what? There's still everybody's still yelling at each other over this. I mean, I get

00:01:57.860 that Ye is out there, you know, interview after interview, doubling down, tripling down, saying all

00:02:03.900 the same stuff and it's costing him financially. OK, that's America. But it's swung back on you guys

00:02:10.720 because Candace is his friend and has defended him and has tried to say she doesn't. She didn't

00:02:19.600 really think he was being anti-Semitic in these comments and kind of try to find an angle for him

00:02:26.620 that would help others make sense of this in a way that wouldn't lead you thinking this is a wild

00:02:31.000 anti-Semite. So then, as I understand it, everybody turned to you guys. You and Ben are like,

00:02:35.440 fire her ass. So turned into went from like, yay, needs to lose his Adidas deal to Candace needs to

00:02:42.780 be fired from the Daily Wire. Ben's been outspoken about anti-Semitism. And this is like massively

00:02:48.100 hypocritical for him to only say, I disagree with Candace. They want they want her to be punished.

00:02:55.120 They want disassociation, cancellation. So have it. Do you think I've like have I adequately summed up

00:03:00.640 where we are right now? Yeah, I think you have. And I appreciate it. I think that if Candace were

00:03:05.880 here, she would say that she has not defended Ye's actual remarks in almost every statement she's

00:03:12.040 made. But in particular, her earliest statement, she said, listen, I think that Kanye West is my

00:03:18.160 friend. And I think that there are accusations being made against him that are beyond. They're

00:03:23.300 disproportionate to the things that he's actually said. But this is not me trying to defend

00:03:28.020 the actual remarks that he made. I think I said she defended him.

00:03:31.780 And I think that's I think that's right. I think she defended her friend, Kanye.

00:03:36.380 Listen, Candace actually called me. People don't realize this. When I first heard about this

00:03:40.540 controversy, I was in Jerusalem observing Sukkot with Ben. And I got a call that perhaps we were

00:03:47.040 anti-Semites, which I thought, well, that's probably absurd on its face. But OK, what's going on?

00:03:52.260 Candace called me and she said, you know, I have my premiere for my movie tomorrow.

00:03:56.060 George Floyd and the rise of BLM, the greatest lie ever sold. She said, and, you know, I've

00:04:01.480 invited Ye to the premiere. Should I uninvite him? And at that point, it was immediately after

00:04:09.160 all this had first broken, I looked at the comments that he had made on Twitter. And

00:04:12.840 I said at the time, well, they're definitely anti-Semitic statements. I don't know if there's

00:04:16.340 enough evidence at this point to conclude that he's an anti-Semite, but certainly these are

00:04:20.220 disgusting statements. I said, and I appreciate you offering not to bring him to the premiere.

00:04:24.580 I said, I think, though, I'm not going to ask you to pile on. I'm not going to ask you

00:04:29.220 to disassociate. You know, the actual person, Candace, is actually friends with the actual

00:04:34.220 person, Kanye West. I said, I don't want you to feel that you have to disassociate from

00:04:38.400 him. I don't want him to speak. I don't want him to be an official part of the event.

00:04:42.260 But from my point of view, you can invite him. And listen, I make probably 20 decisions

00:04:46.280 a day that have some existential impact on the company. And they're not all the correct

00:04:49.640 decision. If I had known the things that Ye was going to go on and say over the next 14

00:04:53.600 days, I probably would have made a different decision. But I think it's an interesting

00:04:57.020 piece of color that from the very beginning, Candace wanted to shield the daily wire from

00:05:01.020 the potential fallout from his remarks and understood that the things that he said were

00:05:06.700 offensive, understood that they were consequential. At the same time, as I say, he's her actual

00:05:12.760 friend. And Candace has a superpower. And one of the consequences of her superpower is that

00:05:18.500 she sees everyone sometimes as a nail. And she raced in to defend her friend, not his remarks,

00:05:25.080 but her friend, in the way that she races in to fight all of her battles. And that's caused a

00:05:31.120 little bit of discomfort from us over at the Daily Wire. But I think it's perfectly understandable

00:05:34.660 from her point of view.

00:05:35.920 Mm-hmm. I've listened to her, and I'm her fan. As my audience knows, she's been on the

00:05:40.280 program. She seems to be getting it, and you guys seem to be getting it, in part because

00:05:46.220 Ben's been appropriately outspoken about anti-Semitism. And I think his fans want to hear

00:05:52.760 him be outspoken about this. And he has. He's condemned the yay remarks in no uncertain terms.

00:05:59.500 And he's also said, I strongly disagree with Candace's interpretation of all of these.

00:06:04.500 That's right.

00:06:04.800 They just, they feel like now, trying to put, you know, a sort of characterization on the objectors,

00:06:11.160 they feel like it's not enough. Like, it's not okay for Ben to chalk this up to agree to disagree,

00:06:17.440 as opposed to, like, you're now standing up for this guy who's obviously, in their view,

00:06:22.980 an anti-Semite. And that takes away all of your credibility to call others out on anti-Semitic

00:06:29.700 remarks.

00:06:30.020 Well, I don't think it compromises our credibility vis-a-vis anti-Semitism at all. To suggest that

00:06:37.120 the Daily Wire or Ben Shapiro are somehow not anti-anti-Semitism enough, I think, is absurd

00:06:42.700 on its face. But, you know, I think there are kind of two camps of criticism. There's some

00:06:48.520 legitimate criticism. Perhaps we should have handled it differently. As I say, if I knew everything two

00:06:53.140 weeks ago that I know today, I would have taken Candace up on her offer not to have gay at the premiere

00:06:58.320 of her documentary. I didn't know all of that at the time. I think that there's also people who,

00:07:05.780 you know, are disappointed in what they perceive to be our response, who, after they speak to us,

00:07:11.600 they reach out in good faith, have a conversation. They may still not agree with all of our decisions

00:07:15.420 along the way. But for the most part, they understand our decision-making once they talk to

00:07:19.760 us. I also think there's kind of a focused opposition that's being largely driven by disgruntled

00:07:26.240 former employees of the Daily Wire. And Daily Wire is a hard place to work. Not everybody makes

00:07:30.240 the cut. And a few of the people who didn't make it, I think, have been looking for an opportunity

00:07:36.440 to play out their resentments. And some of the really focused attacks are coming from that group.

00:07:41.460 Oh, can I ask, is that Eli Steinberg? Because he wrote for you guys in addition to Newsweek and

00:07:46.800 The Federalist, and he ripped you guys a new one, as you probably saw.

00:07:50.240 Yeah, I read his piece. I didn't know Eli Steinberg had ever written for us. I will say

00:07:55.120 that I thought it was one of the most deceitful, disingenuous pieces I've ever read. He characterizes

00:08:01.600 Ben's tweets completely falsely, and deliberately so. And then later, when it suits his purpose,

00:08:07.180 he actually embeds several tweets. But he doesn't embed the ones that he misrepresents,

00:08:11.840 which I found really interesting. He's essentially trying to make the case that Ben,

00:08:17.260 for financial reasons, is not living up to his responsibility as an outspoken opponent

00:08:24.540 of anti-Semitism and firing Candace Owens. But look, here's the thing. First of all,

00:08:28.540 Ben is not an executive in this company. Ben's not the majority owner of this company. Ben's not

00:08:33.260 in a position to hire or fire anyone in the company. He is an owner. He's a founder. He has

00:08:38.040 obviously an enormous influence on what happens in the company, but he's in no position to fire

00:08:42.500 Candace Owens. And the suggestion that he should just fire her, I think, just misunderstands the

00:08:47.400 reality of the business altogether. Secondly, if Ben were in that position, he still wouldn't fire

00:08:51.240 Candace. Because Candace Owens is not an anti-Semite. Because Candace Owens isn't the one who said all

00:08:55.720 the vile, disgusting, ignorant things. That's Ye West. If Ye West works here, we would have fired him.

00:09:02.940 He doesn't. Candace does. And do I agree with everything Candace has said? Again, no.

00:09:08.780 Does Ben agree? No. I've had some real rows with Candace over the last 14 days. Probably the

00:09:13.780 biggest disagreements that we've ever had. But agreeing with Ben Shapiro and agreeing with Jeremy

00:09:18.320 Boring all the way down to every jot and tittle is not the job description of a host at the Daily

00:09:25.320 Wire. Would that it were, I disagree with all the guys quite often. It'd be terrific if they just said

00:09:30.160 everything that I think. No, well, not Knowles. That guy, he's right about everything.

00:09:33.760 Never Knowles. No, what about, I'm interested in what you said, that if you knew then what you know

00:09:40.380 now about Kanye's thoughts, you would not have wanted him at her movie premiere, which was a

00:09:47.560 Daily Wire, you know, produced film. A Daily Wire event, yeah.

00:09:50.520 So why? I mean, he's, because he has been quadrupling and quintupling down. What is it

00:09:55.080 about what he said after all the controversial tweets and Insta posts that changed your view on him?

00:10:01.340 I suppose only this, you know, that someone like Morgan Wallen can make a comment, you know,

00:10:07.520 use a Rachel epitaph in a, what he thought was a private setting. And we can say, well,

00:10:13.740 that's inappropriate. It's not fair. It's not right. It's not seemly. It's maybe ignorant,

00:10:19.440 but I don't know that it's, that it's evidence necessarily that the guy is a racist. I think

00:10:25.420 you'd need to know a little bit more than just what he popped off when he was drunk to conclude

00:10:29.240 that he's a racist. And that's kind of how I viewed the situation with Kanye. He had definitely

00:10:32.740 said some things that were anti-Semitic. The comments themselves were anti-Semitic. I didn't

00:10:37.940 think that that necessarily evidenced that he was an anti-Semite. But then he's clarified what he

00:10:43.200 thought since then. As to your point, he's doubled down. He's tripled down. He's continually, you know,

00:10:47.800 every day, every interview continued to say these really vile, ignorant things. And at a certain point,

00:10:52.980 you, you actually just have to say, well, this isn't an accident. This isn't a lapse of judgment.

00:10:56.600 He's, he's expressing what he thinks. Yeah. I accept you for who you're telling me you are.

00:11:02.380 Exactly. So had that, listen, I still, to this day, don't ask Candace to publicly repudiate her

00:11:08.120 friend. I think that it's unfair to expect someone to publicly repudiate their friend. That's a private

00:11:13.480 issue when you have an actual friendship with someone. But I wouldn't have wanted Kanye to be

00:11:18.940 at the event if I had known that he actually thought the things that, that he's made clear now that he

00:11:23.860 thinks. It's weird. I mean, it would be weird to be standing next to him. I can't imagine now

00:11:28.700 in knowing how he feels about Jewish people, you know, Ben standing next to him. I mean,

00:11:33.800 anybody doesn't, you don't have to be Jewish to feel the scorn of that. But in particular,

00:11:37.740 the targeted group, as Ben's been saying repeatedly, the, like, it's all the old tropes

00:11:44.120 about Jews, like controlling the media and having some sort of cabal. Ben was joking on a show.

00:11:48.920 If we had that, we would have already sent down our special laser to get Kanye from Kanye two weeks

00:11:54.980 ago. Ben must have missed that trip to synagogue where that plan was, was discussed. So to this

00:12:02.600 point, he also said that we wouldn't invite him to be on the Daily Wire. Yeah, I'm getting Lex

00:12:07.740 Friedman. Wait, stand by. I'm just, that's where I'm going next. It's your show. I'm ready for you,

00:12:11.680 boring. He goes on with Lex Friedman. Yes. And we can talk about whether these people should keep

00:12:17.360 interviewing. Yay. I've got thoughts about it. But in any way, he goes on with him and he takes

00:12:22.640 it one next level. And what I would like the audience to listen for here is, yes, he accuses

00:12:26.560 you guys of blacklisting him. But listen to speaking of the Jewish tropes. My God,

00:12:32.840 especially the one that you'll hear in the last sentence of what he says. This is not one.

00:12:38.560 But what happens is every time if I talk to any of these business people one by one,

00:12:43.780 because mind you, I didn't get to the tweet by not having a conversation. I had the conversations

00:12:48.640 beforehand before I got to the tweet. Now we're going to take it to the stage. Now we're on the

00:12:54.460 world stage. Right. And you saw Ari Emanuel do exactly the kind of thing that I was saying had

00:13:01.300 been done behind closed doors. Now he's doing it and open doors. They told Candace Owens,

00:13:06.680 I couldn't be on the daily wire. Like you can't even explain yourself. And we don't care how you

00:13:15.200 got to that point either. And that's fucked up. They told Candace, you can't be on daily wire.

00:13:21.120 Is that even about, yes, she did. That's what they said. And you know what? And you can have my voice

00:13:26.880 raised or lower. I'm going to do it lower. Right. Because what's happening to me by, I put it in your

00:13:31.840 words, the media is saying, not only can you not explain yourself, we don't care how you got to

00:13:40.860 that point. You need to apologize and you can't explain. And that's the end of the story to just

00:13:46.420 apologize so we can have Mel Gibson do some more films. It's exactly what Ari Emanuel was saying.

00:13:52.440 No one is looking to change the problem that led so many people to that same level of frustration.

00:13:59.260 And I just so happen to be the one that's not going to back up on it.

00:14:03.320 Oh boy. I mean, that last line, what no one's actually talking about how bad the Jews are

00:14:09.660 is what I think he's trying to say there. Yeah. You know, I don't actually care how

00:14:15.340 the guy came to his horrible opinions. I think that the Lex Friedman interview on the whole was

00:14:21.440 a good thing. I don't think every interview has been, but I think Lex in particular was pressing

00:14:25.580 on Kanye, but also giving Kanye an opportunity. I think that post that interview, Kanye can't say

00:14:31.180 no one's given him a fair shot to explain himself. The problem, we don't like the explanation.

00:14:36.280 You know, he tries to conflate his concept of Jewish media with the Daily Wire, I guess because

00:14:41.280 Ben Shapiro is a minority owner of the Daily Wire. You know, I'm not Jewish. I'm Christian. The

00:14:47.320 other owner of the Daily Wire is Christian. We're not offended as Jews. We're offended as human

00:14:51.660 beings at his doubling and tripling down on this generalization. You know, nobody, if you say my

00:14:58.160 agent who is Jewish took advantage of me, that's not antisemitism. If you say the Jews took advantage

00:15:04.760 of me, I shouldn't have to explain this, right? It's a very simple concept. Speaking in generalizations

00:15:09.140 is wrong. Labeling entire ethnic or religious groups because of your disagreements with individuals

00:15:15.540 is wrong. But so too is this suggestion that I said he couldn't be on the Daily Wire. We didn't say

00:15:20.880 that. That's not what I said. Candace said that Kanye would like for Candace to interview him.

00:15:25.860 And I said, no, that would be akin to Chris Cuomo interviewing Andrew Cuomo in the middle of the

00:15:31.000 scandal. You're his friend. Your husband is in a business relationship with him. I don't think that

00:15:35.120 it's appropriate for you to be the person in this moment who has that conversation with him.

00:15:39.860 Very good point.

00:15:40.380 And she agreed. She agreed and we moved on. In that same conversation, I said, if the guy wants to talk

00:15:46.060 to Jordan Peterson, if he wants to talk to Ben Shapiro, I'd be glad to set those interviews up

00:15:50.480 because that's people who would give him a fair opportunity, but also press on him. Not to say

00:15:55.060 that Candace wouldn't, only to say that the optics of Candace being in that position.

00:15:58.340 No, absolutely. Given the business relationship her husband has with him alone, she's not the right

00:16:03.620 person for that. He's the CEO of Parler, which Ye has just announced he's buying. So you can't,

00:16:10.040 I mean, there's certain things you can't do in our business. So I agree with that.

00:16:13.980 So that he's not, he is welcome on the Daily Wire potentially, but not in an interview with Candace.

00:16:20.980 Sure. I would not be averse to him being interviewed by someone at the Daily Wire who I thought

00:16:28.540 was in a position both optically and practically to conduct a fair interview with him. I don't think

00:16:35.540 that he would take us up on any offer to come on the Daily Wire at this point, right? And I'm even

00:16:39.580 not sure today that it makes much sense to continue, to your point, to continue interviewing

00:16:43.940 him about this issue. But I would not say no out of hand. And certainly a week ago said to Candace

00:16:51.180 that we would be open to that. I'm not one who believes in cancellation, right? I don't think,

00:16:56.500 if I own Twitter, Kanye West would still have access to his Twitter account. If I owned Instagram,

00:17:01.420 he would still have access to his Instagram account because I believe that those platforms

00:17:05.360 serve a function, sort of a town square function. And I believe in free speech in the town square.

00:17:10.120 The Daily Wire is not a free speech platform. We're advocates for free speech, but we're

00:17:14.560 a publication. We curate ideas. And the voices that we publish are voices that we are very

00:17:20.820 open about our biases. They're voices that broadly align with the vision of the founders.

00:17:25.200 That doesn't mean that we agree with the opinion, every opinion expressed by every person that

00:17:29.180 we publish. But there is sort of a broad rubric of thought. And we curate ideas within that rubric

00:17:36.280 of thought. Kanye certainly has violated whatever the limits of that are. I would not give I would

00:17:42.840 not publish someone who has Kanye stated opinions. But it doesn't mean that I wouldn't publish an

00:17:48.260 interview with someone who has Kanye stated opinions to try to get to the bottom of what

00:17:52.060 they're actually thinking. Well, I mean, we've I've said this before on the show. 60 Minutes profiled

00:17:56.920 the leader of the KKK. Mike Wallace interviewed him while the guy was wearing his hat in his robe.

00:18:03.260 So so there's been a long tradition in journalism of speaking with people who you might find

00:18:08.640 abhorrent, but you're interested in what their views are. Yeah. So, yeah. OK, so let me ask you

00:18:14.640 this. So the whole thing got started after Ye posted his Insta thing and his thing on Twitter

00:18:20.520 talking about going death, meaning deaf, con three on Jewish people, Jewish people. It was all

00:18:27.440 all caps, Jewish people. And people were like, whoa. And he definitely made some anti-Semitic

00:18:33.240 remarks. And then they got even worse. And Candace came out. And this is what she said

00:18:39.080 that's at first which got her dragged into this. I'd love to ask you about it. This is

00:18:43.920 her commenting on it in sought to. People subsequently demanded that the tweet be taken

00:18:49.940 down for anti-Semitism. Now, if you are an honest person. You did not think this tweet

00:18:55.760 was anti-Semitic. You did not think that he wrote this tweet because he hates or wants to

00:19:00.580 genocide Jewish people. This is not represent the beginning of a Holocaust. That's if you're

00:19:04.620 an honest person. You'll meet that. You will admit that. Right. If you're an honest person,

00:19:08.540 when you read this tweet, you had no idea what the hell he was talking about. I had I had no

00:19:15.200 idea when I read this tweet what the hell he was talking about. This tweet inspired questions,

00:19:20.780 not answers. First and foremost, what is death con three? Did he mean death con three, which would

00:19:28.440 be a military defense position, not an offense for those of you that are offended, a military

00:19:33.980 defense position? Now, once again, I want to make this very clear. This is not a defensive

00:19:39.660 tweet. This is an open question, which never seems to happen anymore. It's like you cannot

00:19:45.660 even say the word Jewish without people getting upset in the same way that you're not allowed

00:19:52.100 to say black anymore. I had a couple of things on that. Number one, Ben Dominich comes out and says

00:19:59.020 we deserve better than Candace Owens and says the standard Owens creates here is laughable just

00:20:05.020 because you don't want to actually start a Holocaust. And of course, there's no indication anyone here is

00:20:09.420 actively engaged in planning genocide of any kind. That doesn't mean the thing Kanye just said was not

00:20:15.020 anti-Semitic. I know you're not a huge fan of Ben's because I saw you guys sparring on Twitter

00:20:20.460 or online. But what do you make of his retort to what she said?

00:20:25.460 No, I think Ben has a long history of disagreement with Candace. At times, it's been very personal. So

00:20:32.420 it doesn't surprise me that he takes the opening to take a shot at Candace. Of course, one does not

00:20:38.460 have to wish death on all Jews in order to engage in anti-Semitism or anti-Semitic remarks. I think

00:20:45.680 Candace is wrong to say that those early remarks were not anti-Semitic. I don't think she actually says

00:20:51.640 they weren't anti-Semitic. I think she says that they are not clearly anti-Semitic.

00:20:56.020 She said, if you are an honest person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic. If you are an honest

00:21:01.780 person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic. And then she goes on, you did not think that he wrote

00:21:06.480 this tweet because he hates or wants to genocide Jewish people. This does not represent the beginning of the Holocaust.

00:21:11.740 I think, first of all, Candace was responding to people who were saying that because he used the

00:21:15.800 term death con, that he was in fact inviting violence on the Jews. And she thought that was

00:21:20.480 an overreaction. I think that she, to the extent that she says you couldn't think it was anti-Semitic,

00:21:25.280 she's wrong. Of course it was anti-Semitic. To the extent that she says it raised more questions

00:21:29.300 than answers, I think so too. There's two more weeks of history since then. And he's given those

00:21:34.740 answers and the answers are in some ways as bad as people thought that they were.

00:21:40.160 And I guess the last thing I would say is that I think that part of the role that Candace has

00:21:46.640 played in public life is as someone who challenges PC orthodoxy. And because she is a black woman who

00:21:55.800 has challenged PC orthodoxy, in particular around issues of race, she's been subjected to the worst

00:22:02.440 attacks possible, called a race traitor by certain political voices or media voices. I think it's

00:22:08.600 probably not surprising that she is not as sensitive as she might otherwise be to those

00:22:14.280 same kinds of sensitivities as they apply to other groups of people. I'm not defending that lack of

00:22:20.800 sensitivity. I'm trying to understand it. No, I get it. And that's one of my questions for you,

00:22:25.280 Jeremy, is like, we've all been so swept up in fighting back against cancel culture. And we've all

00:22:30.620 been, you know, just called names at every turn over bullshit behavior. Right. It's like they unfairly

00:22:36.680 use these the terms racist and bigot and sexist against everybody. And, you know, in a way, I mean,

00:22:44.580 truly, this is a creation. This whole problem is sort of a creation of these wokesters on the left

00:22:50.600 who have desensitized everyone from all of those words and when they really ought to be used,

00:22:59.380 you know, and so when they are used or when somebody says something that actually really

00:23:02.900 is problematic or bigoted, the knee jerk reaction from those of us who have been fighting these wars

00:23:07.520 is all bullshit. Take a seat. You're constantly playing that card. And honestly, like, that's a

00:23:13.080 real problem in the way the woke left left left has got us talking about these issues.

00:23:19.440 Yeah. In many ways, I think that, you know, Candace responded from that sort of point of view

00:23:24.780 that you just articulated. And then over the subsequent 14 days, Ye just slammed her finger

00:23:29.680 in the drawer over and over and over for giving him the benefit of the doubt. If your suggestion is,

00:23:35.020 did Candace give her actual personal friend and a person who was taking lots of slings and arrows

00:23:41.720 from the left for challenging their orthodoxy over the last two years, did she give him more benefit

00:23:46.180 of the doubt than she may have given someone from the left? Sure. Of course she did. Was she wrong?

00:23:53.520 Yes. In my opinion, she was absolutely wrong. I think the remarks were patently anti-Semitic on

00:23:57.560 their face. And I said so at the time. I have sympathy for Candace's position and I am endeavoring to

00:24:05.700 have some understanding for Candace's position. It doesn't mean that I agree with Candace's position.

00:24:09.940 She still hasn't done anything for what she should be fired from the Daily Wire.

00:24:15.700 That's the thing is it's like, why do they want her job? They think she's a sympathizer. I mean,

00:24:21.480 as this guy, the guy I just mentioned, he put it as follows. Hold on. I want to make sure I have it.

00:24:27.500 Uh, it's Eli Steinberg called it the yay generated and Owens exacerbated controversy that she

00:24:36.020 exacerbated it by defending him, which he suggests shows an ambivalence on Jew hatred from the Daily

00:24:46.700 Wire. And, you know, she does work for the Daily Wire now. And so what do you make of the fact now,

00:24:51.660 Jeremy, that he's done all these things and he's continued saying all these things and she's still

00:24:56.000 standing by him. Does that change the evaluation? Well, my hope is that, uh, that Candace sees

00:25:06.440 things differently than maybe she saw them two weeks ago. I know I see things differently than

00:25:10.280 I did two weeks ago. Uh, that's another interesting wrinkle in this whole thing. You know, this, that

00:25:14.440 Eli Steinberg's incredibly deceitful and malicious article, which was mostly an attack on Ben Shapiro,

00:25:20.060 not on Candace Owens, who has not said anything antisemitic or on Kanye West, who absolutely

00:25:26.000 has said a whole lot of terrible things that were antisemitic. It was mostly a cheap shot against

00:25:30.640 Ben Shapiro that I think mischaracterizes his position completely. Nevertheless, if that piece

00:25:35.500 had come out even 10 days ago, uh, and engaged in a little bit less manipulation, then I might've

00:25:42.540 even said that it, uh, was a, was a legitimate criticism, but time has gone by, right? Candace's

00:25:48.620 position, uh, where Kanye is concerned has been moderated. You don't see her out there talking

00:25:53.020 about these things the same way, uh, that she was talking about them in the earliest days,

00:25:56.740 because we've all heard more and more and more from yay. But I still don't expect Candace to

00:26:01.680 publicly repudiate her, her actual friend. I think that's too much to ask. And I don't think that the

00:26:07.580 criteria for whether or not she continues to be an important cultural voice or an employee of the

00:26:12.860 daily wire are compromised by the fact that she hasn't said, my friend is an antisemite. That's,

00:26:19.700 um, that is not a standard that I'm willing to enforce on her or on anyone.

00:26:24.680 Do you, is it true that you, you guys, your biggest stars, um, boycotted the premiere of

00:26:32.840 her movie on George Floyd because Kanye was going to be there. And because this controversy had already

00:26:38.840 broken, I know I've seen some pushback saying, no, we all just had various engagements elsewhere,

00:26:44.080 but I can see how people would have been asking. Boring's not there. Shapiro's not there.

00:26:49.060 Matt Walsh's not there. Michael Knoll's not there. Well, again, nobody, nobody, no,

00:26:53.540 I'm just kidding. I don't mean, I don't mean to repudiate Michael. You're the king of that.

00:26:58.280 Clavin, you know, down the list. I can see why people were like, hmm.

00:27:02.440 Sure. I think Jason Whitlock started that, uh, with a tweet that he put out and he,

00:27:06.700 and he apologized for the tweet rightly. He was, he was at the premiere. I was not, I was,

00:27:11.760 as I say, in Jerusalem. Ben was in Jerusalem. My co-CEO, who has not been, by the way,

00:27:17.360 it's Caleb Robinson, uh, was in Jerusalem. Jordan Peterson was in Jerusalem. We were,

00:27:22.460 we were working on some amazing new Peterson Shapiro content and observing Sukkot from Jerusalem.

00:27:27.740 Uh, Matt Walsh was giving a speech. Michael, uh, Knowles, I think was at a funeral.

00:27:32.500 It was a funeral family, death of a family member.

00:27:34.460 We have, and by another funny thing, none of them knew that Ye was going to be there. I knew that Ye was

00:27:40.140 going to be there and Caleb knew that Ye was going to be there. Uh, but the other guys weren't aware of

00:27:44.100 that. I didn't, you never know if a celebrity is actually going to show up at any place they say

00:27:47.660 they're going to show up at. Um, so that was kind of amusing because I was like, what about the daily

00:27:54.200 wire people makes you think they don't, they, they run from controversy. No, what exactly is it about

00:28:01.400 this group that makes you think they'd say, Oh, I don't want people to write bad things about me.

00:28:05.320 No, by the way, Ben and, uh, Caleb and I were all attending to some business in Florida during

00:28:11.480 Matt Walsh's huge event last week at the Capitol here in Nashville, where he led a rally of 3000

00:28:18.140 people in opposition to child mutilation at Vanderbilt and other medical facilities around

00:28:22.440 the country. They call it gender affirming care, but that's quite a misnomer. We weren't at that,

00:28:27.540 which is one of the biggest events that any daily wire host has ever put on. Were we afraid to be

00:28:32.780 seen standing up for the biological integrity of, you know, prepubescent children? Of course not.

00:28:38.960 It's, we're a big company. Um, we have, our, our hosts are, you know, quite successful at this

00:28:44.780 point. It's very rare that we're all able to be in the same place at the same time. And I, I 100%

00:28:51.380 would have been at Candace's premiere knowing that EA was going to be there. Uh, if I had been in the

00:28:55.540 country again, if I had known all the things that I knew seven, 10 days later, uh, I still would have

00:29:01.700 been there, but maybe EA wouldn't have been. Hmm. All right. So let's just go through it quickly

00:29:07.720 before we wrap up. Candace is not getting fired. No, Candace is not getting fired because Candace

00:29:13.820 is not an anti-Semite and Candace is not out there engaging in wanton anti-Semitism.

00:29:19.100 And Ben is comfortable with what he has said publicly on this and doesn't need a redo on anything.

00:29:26.820 Oh, of course not. Ben says what he thinks. And he has said he disagrees vehemently with Candace.

00:29:31.700 He said that agreement with Ben Shapiro, isn't the prerequisite for work here. And anyone who

00:29:36.120 says, so you're saying that we can all just agree to disagree about anti-Semitism. No,

00:29:40.880 of course not. If Candace had said the things that Kanye West has said, we would have fired her.

00:29:46.040 She hasn't because whereas Kanye West is an anti-Semite, Candace Owens is not.

00:29:51.640 The other thing Ben said early on was you can't treat Kanye the same as you treat Ilhan Omar,

00:29:57.260 somebody who's an elected representative who says these things publicly,

00:30:00.000 who's working in the U.S. Congress. Kanye, we don't know. I mean, it's becoming more and more

00:30:04.440 clear now, but we don't we don't really know what his mental state is right now. We know he

00:30:08.600 suffers from bipolar disorder that can bring up paranoid delusions. I don't know what his mental

00:30:14.620 state is at the moment. But Ben has been trying to make the point like I actually don't know.

00:30:18.480 So I'm not going to treat him the exact same way I would treat Ilhan Omar. I mean,

00:30:24.060 do you think he still feels that way? Yeah. Well, I think we all know more about what Kanye

00:30:30.280 actually thinks now than we did at the beginning, including Ben. And but I also think there's only

00:30:36.380 one person on Earth who doesn't know that Ye West is struggling from some sort of mental

00:30:41.280 challenge right now. And that's Ye West. Yeah. This is why I have a real problem with

00:30:47.980 people continuing to put him on. I mean, I my team asked me if I wanted them to reach out to

00:30:54.280 him for an interview. And I said, I don't. I feel uncomfortable about it. If he's in the midst of

00:30:59.840 some sort of mental health episode, it's not responsible to put him on. It's taking advantage

00:31:06.320 of him. And if he's not, why why do I want to platform all of those views? And just so I can look

00:31:12.700 like a tough guy by challenging them. That's about me. That's about ego and just stoking ratings

00:31:18.620 at, you know, just just to sort of get these anti-Semitic views out there more. I'm either

00:31:23.020 way I'm against it. So I really hope people stop interviewing him. He said all he has to say. He's

00:31:29.000 made his positions clear and he can find another way to make his views known. He's been given the

00:31:34.460 opportunity to clarify and he's clarified. He has. Well, I appreciate you coming on. I'm sorry that

00:31:40.760 this has turned into any sort of a controversy for you guys, because you're extremely important

00:31:45.860 as a media source in our in our culture wars and in our just news and information,

00:31:52.260 just setting records straight and so on. So I hope people will move past this like I already had.

00:31:57.200 And let's get back to business. Thank you very much. Great to see you, Jeremy. All right. Coming up,

00:32:03.200 Robert Cahaley is here. He's going to talk about the last the latest poll that just came out

00:32:07.380 on Oz Fetterman for the first time showing a Dr. Oz lead. What does he think and what are his

00:32:14.480 predictions? That's next. Our next guest is Robert Cahaley, chief pollster for the Trafalgar Group.

00:32:26.720 He was one of the few who correctly predicted a Trump victory during the 2016 election. And

00:32:31.520 every other pollster said he's a lunatic. Don't listen to that loser. He's the only one who got it right.

00:32:36.520 How do you like that? He joins us now to discuss the key Pennsylvania Senate race upcoming midterms

00:32:42.500 overall and what pollsters may be getting wrong yet again. Welcome back to the show, Robert. Great

00:32:47.200 to have you. It's awesome to be here. Thank you. It's so funny to go down memory lane with you and

00:32:52.680 talk about all the things you got right when people are looking at you like, who is this guy? Never

00:32:56.660 heard of him. Don't listen at Trafal, Trafoo to who? Exactly. You nailed it. All right. So let's kick

00:33:03.000 it off with the poll that just dropped in Pennsylvania. Insider Advantage is the polling

00:33:09.880 operation. It's pulled 750 likely voters. That's good. It has to be likely at this point. And it's

00:33:15.960 showing Oz plus three. Oz plus three. You tell me, I've never seen Oz lead in a single poll

00:33:22.680 prior to this one. Well, first of all, Insider Advantage is Matt Towery. He's the one that for

00:33:29.280 those of you who follow it is usually on the Hannity show with me. He's one of the few pollsters

00:33:35.320 that if I don't do it and Matt does it, I feel good about it. Matt does exceptional work. He has a

00:33:41.480 very, very, very low error rate. And, um, you know, we had it virtually even the last time we

00:33:48.500 followed it. So, and that was before the debate. So it doesn't shock me. Uh, Oz kind of, you know,

00:33:54.580 had the fundamentals of a candidate who could exceed, uh, you know, coming first, there were

00:34:02.200 some things that he had going for me that were really strong. Uh, one of them of course was the,

00:34:06.720 his percentage of the black vote was just tremendous, uh, highest percentage of black

00:34:11.080 women, uh, of any Republican we found in the country. And, um, so that doesn't surprise me

00:34:17.520 that he had to win over some skeptics. His, his problem was more about likability than anything.

00:34:23.100 And I, and I think the way he handled the debate and the fact that, that he, he wasn't

00:34:27.920 mean and aggressive and just trying to keep it about the issues, uh, served him well on the

00:34:33.440 personality scale, which is the place he had to win over people.

00:34:37.780 I like Oz. I like him as a person. Uh, I know him a little bit, but I can see how you could find him

00:34:43.120 slick in watching him, you know, from your couch at home in Pennsylvania. He he's a little slick

00:34:48.960 and politicians who are slick can be a little, even if they wind up being the more articulate,

00:34:54.520 the more substantive and so on. I think that's worked to Fetterman's advantage prior now,

00:35:00.220 what we saw on the stage the other night, maybe a little slick still, but the other guy

00:35:05.320 was, you know, non-compass mentis. I don't, he was not, we have no idea what the extent

00:35:11.620 of the stroke damage is. All we can see is it's bad. It's bad. And as I was saying the

00:35:16.580 other day, they've misled us. They've tried to perpetrate a fraud on us by telling us

00:35:21.100 there's almost no damage on Fetterman. And then the big reveal came, you know, 10 days plus

00:35:26.720 before the election where we can see, Oh no, there's serious damage.

00:35:30.220 Well, and what was fascinating about that is, you know, just, you, you kind of think

00:35:35.720 about, you know, whether it's historical portrayals or just the kind of things you run into every

00:35:41.200 day, people that are a little slow tend to be good when they're telling the truth, but

00:35:46.560 to not to be very good when they're having to elaborate or lie. And on the questions when

00:35:51.360 he would really have to be clever and come up with a lie, like, did you ever oppose fracking?

00:35:55.860 That's when you saw his inability. He could, on the stuff where he could say, tell the truth,

00:36:00.760 he was fine. But on the stuff where he had to hide his position and cleverly worded, he, he was

00:36:06.180 falling. So he literally could not be as evasive as he needed to be on the stuff where he's vulnerable.

00:36:11.660 And he, here's what the, uh, the poll shows. They asked who won the debate and 53%, 53.6% said

00:36:20.660 Oz won it. Just 20.5% said Fetterman won it. 25.9% were undecided. I assume those are Democrats who

00:36:29.960 just don't want to admit reality. Um, and they're showing now that, uh, just a couple of interesting

00:36:36.620 things. Oz holds a 2.7 point lead over Fetterman. Um, totally in total, he holds a two point lead

00:36:42.280 with white voters. He holds, um, a lead amongst the 18 to 39 year olds. He has a 14 point lead with

00:36:50.180 the 40 to 64 year olds, and he's pulling in nearly two thirds of independent voters, 65.9%. But, um,

00:37:00.200 what happens at the top of the ticket in Pennsylvania matters for Oz. And you tell me whether that's

00:37:06.760 going to wind up sinking him because the Democrat is heavily favored. Yeah. Yeah. The governor's right

00:37:13.480 there. And that's what I've, I've literally been saying for weeks is if Mastriano had received

00:37:21.240 half the support that any Republican nominee gets, Mastriano would be within four or five of winning

00:37:29.600 and Oz would be winning, but to receive so little support is actually hurting odds. Uh, but, you

00:37:37.660 know, ticket splitting is, is one thing. It really just to kind of depends on how they structure their

00:37:43.760 ballot. Uh, I'm not sure what the answer is in Pennsylvania. A lot of states make your federal

00:37:48.100 races first. So it might be that, you know, the governor's race is after when they vote on the

00:37:54.160 Senate race, not top of the ticket. Yeah. It might, you know, it just depends on how they structure

00:38:00.820 their ballots, but I think it is, it is damaging. But what we are going to see is, and most of these

00:38:07.440 polls Shapiro is at 50, 48, but he's not, it's like 52 or 53. And if there is somebody out there

00:38:15.260 right now with a kind of a hidden shy vote, it's Mastriano there. Wow. The grassroots, uh,

00:38:22.240 around him are very, very engaged. So again, I don't see Mastriano at this point winning,

00:38:29.180 but I think he's going to close a lot of shock people. And if he closes as well as I think he

00:38:34.440 can close, Oz probably will be okay. I mean, if, if Mastriano wins that governor's race in

00:38:40.420 Pennsylvania, I, I'm going to fall out of this seat right here. If that happens, it's like every

00:38:45.080 single piece of press about the Mastriano has been bad. He's been way behind in all the polls,

00:38:49.500 as you say, very little support. That will mean, that will mean very good things for Republicans

00:38:54.300 on a national level. If that happens. Oh, absolutely. That there's, that is a great

00:38:59.440 bellwether. Yeah. If that guy goes into this thing, uh, leading big, but I mean, there is no denying the

00:39:06.600 size of crowds that show up Mastriano events. The people that have been to Pennsylvania, uh, I hear it

00:39:11.440 all the time. They're just saying it's, it's, it reminds, it's bigger, it's bigger than anything

00:39:17.540 they've seen outside of a Trump campaign. Hmm. Okay. Let's talk about Georgia, uh, for a minute.

00:39:23.580 Cause that's the other one. A lot of people are watching. Kemp seems well positioned to win over

00:39:27.740 Stacey Abrams, who hasn't been able to get anything going. And in the Georgia Senate race, still,

00:39:34.480 even under your polls, Raphael Warnock, the Democrat is leading by 1.5 hit the real clear politics.

00:39:40.820 Average has him leading by 0.5. Yeah. Our newest poll has him up by two and a half, actually.

00:39:46.960 Oh, it does. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't have that. Oh, well, okay. So you're showing real clear

00:39:50.880 politics. Average. You're showing Warnock up. Yeah. Warnock up point. No, no. Our most recent poll

00:39:57.800 showed Walker up, uh, 2.4 and real clear around about two, uh, after the debate landmark showed it at

00:40:05.200 even, and I believe there was Rasmussen yesterday that shows it five up for Walker. Oh, wow. So

00:40:12.940 the average has moved down to just Warnock by 0.5 because the last three polls since the debate have

00:40:19.260 been so good. Okay. Now there's some pre-debate polls that were, that were bad, but those, everything

00:40:25.560 since the debate has been very good for Walker. That's amazing. So the, the debate in that case

00:40:31.760 actually did make a difference. And I think what we can glean is all the things that they're

00:40:36.640 throwing at Herschel Walker, you know, the women, the abortion, all that stuff either hasn't hurt him

00:40:42.380 or maybe helped him. Well, it, it hurt him initially with some of the early accusations, but

00:40:52.040 you know, the public is wise and they, they got to the point that when they see stuff coming in October

00:40:58.840 and November and late October that you had the whole last year to talk about, they're a little

00:41:05.160 skeptical. And, you know, to see, uh, Gloria Allred and all that stuff out there, just, you start

00:41:10.580 thinking, I remember this. How, oh yeah, this happened to Rick Kavanaugh. Yeah. And all that

00:41:16.020 went away as soon as he got in because it wasn't real. And so the skepticism really, uh, is high

00:41:22.840 and, and there, there comes a point, I mean, for whatever's worth, Trump has set a new standard

00:41:29.340 for what you can be accused of and when, and, um, we're not going backwards. It's just, that's the

00:41:35.020 way politics is. We're not going backwards. We're a long way from people wanting to disqualify Clinton

00:41:39.580 for, for inhaling or not inhaling. Mm-hmm. Or Gary Hart for having an affair outside of his marriage

00:41:46.280 and so on. And I remember those days. Um, let's talk about the numbers because right now the polls

00:41:52.420 are trending Republican and, you know, we're closing now. We're in the last little stretch.

00:41:57.420 What I read is that historically those last two weeks before the actual vote tend to build momentum

00:42:02.620 for the party out of power. Do you think that's true in this race, even though we've had about

00:42:08.460 four steady weeks of Republican momentum? I mean, basically since mid-September.

00:42:13.660 Well, I would argue that, and as you can see, our numbers have been much more consistent.

00:42:20.640 Uh, the Republicans have been tight in these races, uh, since their, since the nominations were over.

00:42:26.000 I think, I mean, I'm very skeptical of the mainstream, um, media and some of the polling that goes on there

00:42:33.340 and some of the agendas because, and you have to ask the question, what's the purpose of a poll?

00:42:39.000 Is it to reflect the electorate or is it to affect the electorate? Because if it's to affect the

00:42:45.240 electorate, then it makes sense that all these guys who keep getting it wrong still have jobs.

00:42:50.740 But if it was to reflect the electorate, why haven't all these groups that have an error rate of over

00:42:56.100 five in 2020 been fired? It doesn't make any sense. So you got to wonder, are they doing the job

00:43:02.960 they're supposed to, which is an agenda, or are they doing the job they're supposed to of accuracy?

00:43:08.540 And we know that they're failing on accuracy. So I think what's happening is the reason, and you

00:43:15.160 said you were very smart and says that these are likely voters. We spent the entire, uh, September

00:43:20.920 and August with nonsense polls that were based on registered voters that you, you know, yourself,

00:43:27.640 that is a way to skew it toward the other side. Yeah, that's right. And I don't think that was

00:43:32.740 accidental. I think that it was about helping the other side raise money and helping them look

00:43:37.680 strong. But the fact is, it's kind of like a party that you're throwing when your parents are out of

00:43:41.600 town. Mom and dad are coming home and the house got to be cleaned up. And these guys know election day

00:43:46.680 and the reckoning is coming and they don't want to look like they did last time. So they're starting to

00:43:51.780 get a little more real every day. And as they get more real, guess what happens? They get closer to where

00:43:57.280 we've been all along. But you still say these polls are probably underestimating the Republican

00:44:03.100 support. Absolutely. I believe even, even more so than 16 and 20. Why? Yes. Well, one in 16,

00:44:12.100 you were just deplorable and 20, you could be canceled and you were racist. If you disagree with

00:44:16.980 anything in 22, you're a threat to democracy. I mean, after that speech where he basically said,

00:44:24.220 if you are a MAGA supporter, that you're, you know, what's wrong with the country,

00:44:28.720 a lot of folks just got really nervous. And they're seeing stories like the FBI involved with

00:44:36.280 Facebook and monitoring stuff. And, you know, they're hearing things in the news about banks

00:44:41.940 being told about the government to keep track of gun purchases. And I mean, and so what they say to me

00:44:47.080 is, don't you think that the governor, government's monitoring who says that they're for MAGA candidates

00:44:53.480 making a list? I mean, they tell me, it's like, you don't even know they're doing it. Like I'm naive

00:44:57.460 and don't know this is happening. And that they're all keeping track. And so, and, you know, here's the

00:45:03.080 point. It doesn't matter whether conspiracy is right or wrong. Because in the people, if it's in the

00:45:09.940 people's minds and affects how they vote, you have to think about it. And I think there are a lot of

00:45:14.060 people who believe to answer a poll puts you on a list as being for MAGA. And so people who in the

00:45:19.700 past would have put a sign in the yard or bumpstick on their car, posted on social media, are taking

00:45:25.640 polls. I mean, that's why I call them submerged. They aren't hidden. They aren't shy. They're

00:45:30.880 submerged. They are underwater. They're below periscope depth. They're not coming up. You could live right

00:45:36.220 next door to a MAGA voter. You never know it. But they're coming out because they're not going to do

00:45:43.080 anything else. They're not getting the waves or flags or whatever. So they're coming out. That's

00:45:47.220 the only scratches itch. And they've got a big itch. And they're coming to vote. And I think

00:45:51.660 everybody will underestimate the Republican turnout, including us.

00:45:56.880 Wow. Even you couldn't get at them. And you've got the best polling methods in the business,

00:46:01.120 keeping the questionnaire short, trying to ask questions that you don't have to say,

00:46:05.480 what do you think, Ms. Kelly? You say, how's your neighbor likely to vote? And I project all my views

00:46:10.800 on to the neighbor because I feel comfortable telling you what they think. But it's really

00:46:13.580 what I think.

00:46:13.940 And all of our election methods, whether it's when we let people text polls and our text polls

00:46:20.480 are different than most of them. People click links on others. Ours go back and forth. They're

00:46:24.660 much easier to take. And you don't have to worry about some random link.

00:46:28.680 All right. So I have one minute left. And I got to get to your predictions. What are you predicting

00:46:33.280 now in the House and the Senate?

00:46:34.580 I hate to predict it 10 days out because Lord knows if it's going to happen on the national

00:46:39.680 stage. But I would say if the election were next Tuesday, I would expect the Republicans

00:46:44.520 to win north of 25, maybe 30 House seat pickup and the Republicans to win the Senate. At least

00:46:53.800 win the Senate with 51 and a Georgia runoff that can get them 52 or better. And I expect

00:47:00.400 if another week after next week, it could be better.

00:47:04.120 How high could it go? Just, you know, just for kicks. How high could it go?

00:47:08.140 Here's the thing. Again, this is not my prediction, but if the wave were as big as I think it could

00:47:12.960 be, you'd be talking 55 seats.

00:47:16.100 Wow. What a difference a couple of months make. This was not the prediction over the summer

00:47:20.740 by virtually anybody, though it's always been a more favorable environment for the GOP.

00:47:27.320 Such a pleasure, Robert. Thank you so much for all the great work you do.

00:47:31.420 Always a pleasure to talk to you. Always been a big fan. It's an honor to be here.

00:47:35.700 Thank you. Let's do it again soon. And remember, folks, you can find The Megan Kelly Show live

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00:48:17.220 in in one second to discuss the latest on that. Stand by, though, because I do want to get

00:48:20.760 to you some breaking news before I bring in our guests. The breaking news has to do with an attack

00:48:25.620 on the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. His name is Paul Pelosi. He's 82. You recall he had an

00:48:31.800 incident with a drunk driving incident a couple of months ago. Well, early Friday, we're now learning

00:48:38.100 at their home in San Francisco. According to a Pelosi family statement, Paul Pelosi was, quote,

00:48:44.080 violently assaulted. They say he is expected to make a full recovery. But two sources familiar with

00:48:50.180 the matter tell ABC News that his injuries are, quote, significant. The suspect is in custody.

00:48:56.040 We know nothing about him or her. ABC News reports that this person was armed with a hammer

00:49:01.260 and allegedly entered the house through a sliding glass door. They report that the break-in is

00:49:07.940 suspected to be targeted. Again, this is just citing sources. I have no idea who or, you know, exactly

00:49:16.840 who ABC News talked to. But they say that the individual was apparently looking for the House

00:49:21.820 Speaker herself. CNN separately reporting that the assailant shouted, where is Nancy before the attack,

00:49:29.080 according to, quote, a source briefed on the attack to CNN. All right, be careful because this is one

00:49:34.400 source. I'm anonymous to CNN. These things, you know, we don't want to get ahead of ourselves.

00:49:39.940 Nancy Pelosi was in Washington, D.C., unclear whether there was a law enforcement presence at

00:49:43.780 the couple San Francisco home at the time. Motive is under investigation. Senator Chuck Schumer said

00:49:48.460 in a statement, what happened to Paul Pelosi is a dastardly act. Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican,

00:49:53.880 the minority leader, tweeting, he's horrified and disgusted by this attack, adding grateful to hear that

00:49:58.320 Paul is on track to make a full recovery, as is, I'm sure, everyone hearing about this. This is

00:50:04.400 horrible. I can't imagine the terror and having someone break into your home and attack you

00:50:09.040 with a hammer, allegedly. So we'll learn more about this in the days to come and what the potential

00:50:16.020 motivation was. I cannot help but wonder whether the reaction to this will be different from the

00:50:22.640 reaction when a man showed up near Brett Kavanaugh's house intending on assassinating him. I really,

00:50:30.760 I would like to see, are we going to change security provisions now for these folks in office,

00:50:38.200 whether it's the Supreme Court or the House Speaker? Are they going to be more concerned now

00:50:44.420 that, you know, it's Paul Pelosi? I really worry about this because he shouldn't be in danger and

00:50:50.360 Brett Kavanaugh shouldn't be in danger either. And we need to take security and safety seriously

00:50:56.200 for all these folks, whether they're Democrats or Republicans. We'll see where this goes. But best

00:51:02.360 wishes to him for a full recovery. In the meantime, I want to get to my guests and we're going to talk

00:51:07.440 about the latest on the family friendly drag show that they stood up to and said, oh no, not to mention

00:51:13.540 their experiences in the pageant world, which for Carrie wound up becoming national news for weeks

00:51:20.080 on end. Carrie and Brett, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. It's great to have you here.

00:51:26.200 Thank you so much for having us, Megan. Oh, it's my pleasure. I've got to tell you. So we saw this

00:51:30.020 viral video, Brett, of you standing up at this event. And I'm like, who is this wonderful woman?

00:51:35.700 I need to know her. Like, I loved everything you said. I was like, you go, girl. I was cheering you

00:51:40.280 on from my, you know, just looking at my phone in my house. And then my team, I'm like, we got to try

00:51:45.560 to book her. So my team looks into it and they're like, oh my God, Carrie Brejean is there too. And

00:51:49.780 of course I remembered your name. I covered the whole thing with, you know, the Miss USA and all

00:51:52.920 that. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. So that he'd show me your clip. I'm like, is everyone

00:51:57.480 in this area of California, incredibly articulate, gorgeous, fierce, fiery? We could have these ladies

00:52:04.500 on. I need to know them more. We run in good company. I can see that now that I find out you met in

00:52:09.940 the pageant world. Some of it is starting to come together. Makes sense for me, but I love,

00:52:14.600 love, love that you are now just mom advocates out there fighting the good fight for your children

00:52:21.060 and other people's children and insisting that other people pay attention and try to join the

00:52:26.380 fight too. So let me start with you on this Brit. When we saw this video and I'll play a little bit

00:52:30.940 of it so people can see, I want to ask you, um, like what, what got you so fired? Like, what was

00:52:36.340 the issue before I, before I play the clip? What was the issue that got you so fired up? Well, we found

00:52:40.920 out that, uh, this school district had approved invitations for a boo bash. They were, they were,

00:52:48.000 uh, advertising it as the queerest boo bash family friendly event in San Diego. And Carrie texts me.

00:52:56.200 She's like, Hey, have you seen this? And then I start getting texts from other girlfriends too.

00:52:59.380 Carrie is a pit bull. So she's like, we, we got to do something about this. This is, this is crazy.

00:53:04.980 And so we start digging into it. And, um, lo and behold, what really fired us up is that this was

00:53:11.940 not only approved by a school district, um, to be all, all Encinitas was invited to it as this

00:53:17.200 family friendly event. But when you actually started to drill down into the boo bash and the drag show,

00:53:22.420 the partnerships came to light and it was incredibly concerning. So that's what fired us up is we saw that,

00:53:28.380 um, this, this boo bash was partnered and sponsored by a gender reassignment clinic,

00:53:34.420 which is there any such thing as gender reassigning? I mean, let's talk science. There's it's,

00:53:40.180 I hate using that term because you can't reassign gender, but it's sponsored by a mutilation clinic

00:53:45.400 up in San Francisco. And their website is full of videos that are, you know, it's all for profit,

00:53:51.220 but the videos are just advertising that they'll cut off penises and, um, healthy breasts. And even in

00:53:57.320 their top surgery video, they talk about how this is a great way. If you're going through puberty and

00:54:02.760 you're not comfortable in your body, then we can just take care of that by cutting off your breasts.

00:54:07.520 And so that was the first one that was shocking. And then the next partnership we saw was, um, a,

00:54:13.760 a, I don't even want to, I don't even want to promote the club, but it's a gay 21 plus nightclub

00:54:19.600 down in San Diego. And if you go through their social media, I'm shocked that they haven't been

00:54:23.700 taken down because it's just completely pornographic, very evil. So Carrie and I start talking,

00:54:29.680 how in the world is a 21 plus gay nightclub in San Diego, hooking up with a gender reassignment

00:54:36.220 clinic up in San Francisco and throwing an event that's marketed to children advertised through a

00:54:44.020 school district. The whole thing, just, it reeks. And so Carrie and I said, we're going to do something

00:54:49.480 about it. And what age group are we talking about? When we talk about school children, what age group?

00:54:54.140 Elementary, tiny, tiny little kids. All right. Stand by. Cause I want to get carried away in too,

00:54:58.760 but let me show the audience a little bit of, um, both of you at this Encinitas board meeting

00:55:04.860 on October 11th. I just want to know what it is, uh, that makes a drag show family friendly,

00:55:11.680 because if you follow it to its logical conclusion, you can slap family friendly titles on anything.

00:55:17.880 You can have family friendly gentlemen's clubs, family friendly strip shows, family friendly 50 shades

00:55:22.620 of gray reallows. Will you approve my flyer? If I want to host an, all the sex secrets of the

00:55:28.140 Kama Sutra for kids and families. If it's family friendly, my question, what is it about a grown

00:55:34.820 man? And I honestly, sincerely as a woman mean this, what is it about a grown man costumed in a

00:55:41.400 sparkly bra with augmented boobs, busting out a leather mini skirt, barely covering his twerking

00:55:46.360 ass with tuck tape on his front while spreading his fish netted legs as he rides on the ground,

00:55:52.980 grinding his groin next to a minor family friendly. You owe us an answer. I warned you. In fact, I

00:56:01.640 promised you guys that I would campaign against you. I'd fundraise against you and make sure that

00:56:08.900 none of you ever served in this public space ever again. And that's why we're here tonight.

00:56:15.840 You have failed our children. You in a normal way would be criminalized for your behavior. And for

00:56:22.780 you to send out this boobash is disgusting, but you're promoting this.

00:56:29.100 Fierce and dead on. So, Carrie, the way it was working was it wasn't like the school was

00:56:35.640 creating the boobash, but they were promoting your children's attendance at it, notwithstanding

00:56:42.760 who was sponsoring it and what was expected to happen there.

00:56:47.260 Correct. Correct. It's so good to see you, Megan. Thanks so much for having me on. And thank you,

00:56:51.660 Brittany. She is just a fierce patriot and I'm so thankful for her and our friendship,

00:56:56.280 our 20 year friendship together. Yeah, it was very unfortunate, Megan, that I got word of this

00:57:02.220 boobash and I thought there has to be a mistake. There's no way that a school district here in San Diego,

00:57:07.560 California would actually be promoting such a inappropriate event for five-year-olds through

00:57:14.700 11-year-olds. And so I had to do something about it. And so I sent it out to most of my friends here

00:57:20.600 in the area. And then I said, we need to show up at this board meeting. We need to show up and make

00:57:25.500 our voices loud and clear. So we did a little investigating before we did this board meeting.

00:57:30.200 And we realized that it was from a third party organization called Peach Jar. And that's how the

00:57:35.660 district gets a word of any community events. And so Peach Jar is very specific on, and the school

00:57:42.580 district is very specific on the things that they can approve in order to be sent out to the parents,

00:57:48.180 thousands of parents in the district. And so we found out that they actually violated their own

00:57:52.500 policy. They're very strict. It cannot be lewd, obscene. It cannot be controversial, political. It

00:57:58.960 cannot take, you know, one side without showing the other side. It definitely cannot have alcohol

00:58:04.240 involved. So it's violating its own policies on many different fronts. And so I said, we have to

00:58:10.540 do something about this. And so I wanted to confront the school board and get answers from them. And they

00:58:15.940 were not willing to speak to us. In fact, they didn't even want to apologize for it, unfortunately.

00:58:21.720 So they didn't respond when you got, you guys got up there and you did your thing. They didn't try to

00:58:25.200 defend themselves. I said, we want to give you this opportunity. Please respond right now. And

00:58:29.880 none of them would respond. They wanted to shrink back in their seats like cowards like they are

00:58:33.800 and not respond to the parents who they represent. Who were the parents? You can hear some of the

00:58:39.080 parents like, oh, tisking the information that you were delivering in your remarks. Were the parents

00:58:47.280 with you? I mean, were some people learning about this for the first time?

00:58:50.660 There was, you couldn't even walk into that room. You couldn't even walk into the board

00:58:55.980 meeting. I mean, Britt was there. We saw parents come from all over this county. We even had someone

00:59:01.620 come from out of state to protest this. They are outraged. There is a huge movement of mama bears

00:59:09.180 that are protecting our cubs and saying, listen, this is not anti-LGBT. This is anti-sexualization of

00:59:15.820 our kids. We don't want it. We don't want strip clubs with straight white, you know, women. This

00:59:20.920 is not a race thing. We don't want drag shows. Okay. We don't want strip shows. We don't want drag

00:59:25.860 shows. They're trying to paint us as racist, homophobic, you know, the same old typical, um,

00:59:32.240 yeah. I want to know what's really, what's really interesting is that you asked about the people that

00:59:37.880 were there and by and large, the, it was a standing room only overflowing into the parking lot. And,

00:59:42.600 uh, the people that came out were so angry about what is happening in our schools and that the

00:59:49.960 target has been drawn so heavily on our kids. And there were a few who showed up to defend the,

00:59:56.080 the board and the school district. But, um, well, it's really interesting is that not a single adult

01:00:01.700 who stood up in defense of this food bash and the decision with the district to support this and to

01:00:08.220 invite everyone, not a single adult who stood up in defense mentioned the drag show. They couldn't

01:00:15.540 even defend the drag show. Isn't that interesting? All they could do is go to love inclusivity that this

01:00:23.420 is how we create a really caring community. Um, how dare you attack a school board? This is all about

01:00:30.900 being inclusive to diverse students and diverse communities, not a single one addressed. The whole

01:00:37.900 reason we were there was that you are hyper-sexualizing our children and you're acting as activist pimps and

01:00:45.240 not a single adult who stood up in defense could even touch that topic. Of course. Now, and what you

01:00:51.400 were saying was so persuasive when you were making the point about you can slap the family friendly label

01:00:56.740 on anything that doesn't save you. You know, like you point out, you can call anything family friendly

01:01:01.420 that the labeling doesn't take away any of the sting when your six year old shows up and somebody's

01:01:07.740 gyrating his genitals in front of his face while wearing a skirt. Most of us choose not to put our

01:01:13.460 kids in that circumstance. You certainly don't want the school endorsing it. Right. And now the school

01:01:18.640 district is doubling down. The show will go on and they have not done anything to stand up against this,

01:01:25.260 the sexualization of our kids. And they're not even apologizing to us parents. In fact,

01:01:29.720 they're colluding. We found through public records that they are colluding with principals and teachers

01:01:35.620 in the district that are calling us parents homophobes spelled H-O-M-E mocking stay-at-home moms.

01:01:42.220 I mean, it's just disgusting what they're doing and their job is protect our kids. And instead they're

01:01:46.980 harming our kids and endorsing this. Why hasn't one parent or one teacher or one admin in the school

01:01:53.080 district said, Hey, we hear you. We understand. And we're, we don't want this either. Not one of them

01:01:58.920 has done that.

01:02:00.160 So they, as I understand it now, they've got to go fund me for this trans organization. They're saying,

01:02:06.800 Oh, we expect a tax. We expect a tax now at this event. And therefore we need to raise a bunch of money

01:02:12.420 to, uh, because quote, given the polarizing rhetoric and some specific abhorrent behavior

01:02:18.740 toward our community. Therefore it's necessary for this group to raise $15,000 to increase its

01:02:24.180 security presence at this daytime family gathering. They claim it's, it's cost almost $10,000 so far.

01:02:32.880 I mean, well, you would think it given the school, like the school, it might dawn on them. We're at the

01:02:36.740 point now where they're worried about hiring security guards. People are this upset over this

01:02:40.240 might not be something we should encourage our, our parent body to take their young children to

01:02:44.620 right. But they won't because in the name of trans vote, trans rights, go ahead.

01:02:50.260 Well, every single politician in the area, and that goes, I don't care how low on the school board

01:02:56.260 you are up to being a County representative should have come out swinging against this. And instead,

01:03:01.660 do you want to know what happened in San Diego? One of our representatives for board count, the County

01:03:06.720 board, they came out saying that we are bigots, that we're being non-inclusive. And they posted

01:03:12.880 this publicly on Twitter and said that they will be at boobash taking their three-year-old child.

01:03:18.020 So we're up against a diabolical wave of evil out here in California, but it's not staying here.

01:03:24.900 This is going to spread. This is going to spread all over the nation. This isn't limited to San Diego,

01:03:30.260 California, but no, you're right. It's, it's so disgusting that rather than say, Hey, we're going

01:03:36.900 to call this off. You're right. You uncovered that this is being put on by a gender reassignment

01:03:41.440 center and a 21 plus gay nightclub. The invitation should have never gone out to children. We are going

01:03:47.420 to denounce it and say, we recommend children not come. Every single sponsor should have pulled out

01:03:51.920 their invitation to children and every politician should have denounced it. Silence, complete crickets.

01:03:58.260 Instead, they want to raise funds to secure themselves against attacks. Now, all of a sudden,

01:04:03.860 Megan, they're the victims. Yeah, of course, which they're very happy with. That's the, that's the

01:04:09.360 role they're most comfortable with. Yeah. They want to protect themselves, but we're not allowed to

01:04:13.380 protect our children. Right. Of course. So this is, I'm going to guess this is not the first time the

01:04:18.220 school has done something that has rattled your cages because I can, I'm getting a general feel for

01:04:24.560 both of you. And I wondered, because since I've also been fighting these fights here, you know,

01:04:28.700 in New York city, what is, what are the politics in your, in your school district? And do you think

01:04:34.960 the other, like, what are, what are some of the other things that you've gone through? And do you

01:04:38.040 feel like the parent body is on your side? Yeah, I do. Um, I think that after seeing this outrage of

01:04:47.520 parents on both sides of the aisle, this is not Democrat versus Republican, this is good versus

01:04:52.540 evil. And I think people on both sides are seeing that the hyper sexualization of our children is not

01:04:59.640 okay. You can be as far right or far left and come to the agreement on that, that we should not be

01:05:06.160 sexualizing our kids. I said in the school board meeting, would you affirm a little girl who has an

01:05:12.140 eating disorder by, by advocating for her to go get liposuction? I don't think so. This is a mental

01:05:18.620 illness and we need to stop affirming it. We have kids now that are coming out as furries. They're

01:05:23.800 coming out as animals. When are we going to draw the line? And when are we going to say enough is

01:05:28.440 enough? If we really care about our children, we're going to stand up. And so, yeah, we have three

01:05:33.700 candidates running for the board right now, Andre Johnson, Justin Reed, and Thomas angel. And we pray to

01:05:40.120 God that they get in the office and flip this school board. This is big, this furry thing. I mean,

01:05:45.260 this is actually really deeply disturbing. It's happening more and more with children. It's

01:05:49.080 happening with adults. I was in a pet store getting stuff from my dogs. And there was a young woman in

01:05:56.980 there with she's like 16 with her dad. And they were having an argument because he said, I already got

01:06:02.960 you the leash. I'm not going to get you the collar. It's going to be inappropriate. And she said,

01:06:07.060 but dad, you know, I identify as a furry. I mean, this is like open now, like the dad's

01:06:12.300 buying her, you know, he's drawing the line at the collar or the leash, whichever it was like

01:06:15.820 the more and more you're hearing about kids in particular, identifying as furries. I've told

01:06:20.080 a story before. Um, I, I know somebody who has a good friend who runs a corporation. He hired a young

01:06:27.860 woman and the young woman was normal. No problems in the interview. She was kind of a star. She shows up

01:06:34.060 the first day and says, I identify as a tiger. He's like, what? She's got to wear the little ears

01:06:40.740 and the little tiger tail. And everyone needs to be respectful of her identity as a tiger. Now this

01:06:47.200 is not gender identity. And I would say as a lawyer, you as an employer, do not need to recognize this

01:06:51.540 or do anything other than tell her put on your normal clothes or you're fired. You're so that this

01:06:56.060 is not a protected class, but we're so crazy about bending over backwards to support this nonsense.

01:07:02.480 We're letting kids do that. Like it's becoming bigoted to say no to that.

01:07:07.040 Oh yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, we're taking, we're removing all the boundaries,

01:07:11.000 but then we're also like, have you heard about what's going on in school libraries, the books

01:07:15.760 that are being put in to these libraries? Do you have all these books that are targeting

01:07:20.660 three to six year olds, which is right when kids are starting to figure it out. It's targeting

01:07:25.440 three to six year olds and telling them you get to choose if you're a boy or a girl, or maybe you're

01:07:29.500 fluid, or, um, if you don't feel like a boy today and you want to put on a dress, you're

01:07:34.720 a girl and that's okay. I mean, this ideology is coming in so hard and so fast at our kids.

01:07:41.740 And at the same time, we're taking the train track apart. I mean, we're headed for complete

01:07:46.500 destruction and it's affecting our, our kids. And that's why we have, I have a friend too,

01:07:51.540 Megan, who, um, she was just telling me the other day, cause I didn't know about all this

01:07:55.960 furry stuff until recently. I'm like, Oh my gosh, what's going on now? We have furries.

01:07:59.900 She tells me that, um, one of the kids at her son's schools and her, her son is in eighth grade

01:08:07.100 at his school. This, um, this child identifies as a raccoon and runs around making havoc where he

01:08:15.760 knocks over trash cans and he'll claw things. And the school can't do anything about it

01:08:21.960 because he identifies as a raccoon. And I just, I mean, I laugh, but it's like, if you don't laugh,

01:08:29.060 you're going to cry and then you better start to talk really loud.

01:08:31.980 Didn't you go through a phase? I, I, I one day announced to my parents, my name was going to

01:08:35.560 be Taffy and Taffy and the witch, and I wasn't going to respond to any other names. Didn't make

01:08:39.940 me a witch, had a fun with it for a day. No one changed anything about me. Kids go through these

01:08:44.880 imaginative periods. Nothing changes at school. It doesn't say anything about their identity.

01:08:49.680 We're the crazy ones. Yeah. It's so sick and twisted. I was a super tomboy when I was growing

01:08:56.100 up and thank God I didn't have whack job parents that just said, okay, yeah, let's transition you.

01:09:01.940 I mean, this is, this is irreversible damage that is being done to our kids. And it's what all in the

01:09:07.600 name of equality. No, this is not about equality. If we really care about our children, we're going

01:09:13.040 to protect them. Like I said earlier, if my daughter had an eating disorder, I wouldn't affirm her.

01:09:17.840 I would say, we need to get you help, honey. This is, this is badness. This is, this is insanity.

01:09:24.060 And I saw this coming a long time ago when I stood up at that pageant. I saw, I saw,

01:09:29.840 where are you, where are you going to draw the line? If love is love, where do you draw the line?

01:09:34.200 What if I love my dog? Can I marry my dog? What if I love both a man and a woman? Can I marry both?

01:09:39.520 Can polygamy come back? Where do you draw the line?

01:09:42.420 And there are, that's the thing is like, there are no bound, we're taking all the boundaries out.

01:09:47.180 When you look at the, I don't even know how to say it anymore. LGQBT. I don't even know. There's

01:09:51.840 all the letters in alphabet. I don't know. But there's a plus, right? At the end. It's like,

01:09:56.760 what, what hides underneath that plus? That's just open ended. What's hiding under there? What?

01:10:03.020 Yeah. What is next? That's why the gay community is like, we don't need to be lumped in with the

01:10:10.180 pluses. We don't need like, lesbians and gays are like, these are not our issues. We fought our

01:10:15.160 battles. We've won them. Like this is, they should get rid of LG. It should just be, and I don't know

01:10:20.700 about B, but it should be TQ, two spirits, whatever. Gays against groomers has totally come to our

01:10:27.740 defense. And in fact, they came to the school board meeting and spoke and said, this is hurting.

01:10:32.360 The gay community, like they've hijacked our community and our movement. And this is not okay.

01:10:38.640 It's making them look bad when, you know, in reality, it's not them that's pushing this. This

01:10:43.480 is the whole trans movement that we are seeing being pushed on our children. Why do you want to

01:10:48.740 have a drag show in front of kids? The gays were never trying to sexualize our kids. The gays were

01:10:53.800 like, we want equal rights and we want, you know, all that, but like they weren't trying to push all

01:10:57.300 this weird sexualization stuff. That's like the very woke left. And yes, this, these trans activists

01:11:04.460 who I don't think represent the trans community. But the other thing is you get called a bigot.

01:11:08.940 If you object to one of these trans women trying to say, I'm the first, this are the first that

01:11:15.100 Rachel Levine in HHS, the first female admiral to hold this role in age. No, you're not. You lived

01:11:21.100 56 years as a man. You transitioned 10 years ago. You went to med school as a man, took advantage of

01:11:27.840 all the things that men got back in that day for almost six decades, then switched teams. And now

01:11:34.480 you want credit for being the first woman to, well, no, you don't get it. And that's happening right

01:11:38.820 now in your old industry. As I understand it, a trans woman just bought the Miss Universe pageant

01:11:45.640 and they are literally calling her. It's a man who's now dressing as a woman. They're calling

01:11:53.700 this person the first woman ever to own Miss Universe. What do you make of it?

01:11:59.840 Oh, it makes me so angry thinking about the future that's being carved out for our kids. And,

01:12:05.220 you know, I, I kind of backed out of all the pageant stuff after I was Miss California,

01:12:09.420 I was first runner up at Miss USA. And, um, I saw the industry for what it was and I didn't like what

01:12:15.220 I saw. So I really backed out of the spotlight. And then Carrie was a couple of years after me

01:12:19.180 that she was Miss California and first runner up at Miss USA. And, um, but I still hold like a

01:12:24.180 special place in my heart for what I accomplished in that, and that it was a road to, uh, college

01:12:29.920 scholarships and learning how to speak publicly and learning how to dress and how to act like a woman.

01:12:35.780 And I valued that, you know, I came from a super, super poor family. And I knew that if I was going to

01:12:42.400 have any advantage going forward, I was going to need to have to figure out how I was going to get

01:12:46.540 to college. And so that was my journey. Um, it was through Miss, the Miss Universe pageant system.

01:12:52.720 So I still hold that dear to me. And when this news broke yesterday, I, um, I mean, Carrie and I

01:13:00.180 were on the phone, just so, so sad for what's happening to women after centuries of progress of

01:13:07.340 elevating women that now we're watching, uh, we're watching our womanhood be erased and that

01:13:13.420 we can never be a good enough woman to be better than a man. Like a man's going to be a better woman

01:13:18.960 than we can be even to a beauty pageant, like in a beauty pageant that now, you know, Miss Spain,

01:13:25.480 she in 2019, he, it was a man who won Miss Spain. And now you have a transgender man who is buying

01:13:37.300 the whole Miss Universe pageant, which has always been about elevating women and giving them a

01:13:41.640 chance. And you have a transgender man, man by this pageant and a biological man as a biological

01:13:48.640 man. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And, and I will say at least in that

01:13:54.780 particular competition, men don't have an inherent advantage. It's not, it's not like, uh, you know,

01:14:00.900 we saw with Leah Thomas in the pool. I would say that the women are still generally much more

01:14:06.120 naturally appealing and beautiful as women than a trans woman would be, but you never know.

01:14:12.540 You never know. They're going to start taking titles away. As you just point out has happened.

01:14:15.480 Yeah. Um, it's just such an insult. It's just such an insult. It's such an insult to our

01:14:20.720 intelligence, to what it is to be a woman. I mean, we can't even define what a woman is.

01:14:25.080 It's so disgusting and disturbing and only the women suffer. You don't see women, you know,

01:14:29.760 trying out for the NFL and taking a man's spot. You don't see a woman beating a man's record.

01:14:34.060 You see women every single day being erased. Like Brit said by men, I don't care what,

01:14:40.400 what they want to call themselves. If they want to call themselves a dog, a cat, whatever. I am not

01:14:43.940 going to affirm their psychological illness that they have. This is not a woman. This is a man

01:14:51.320 that wants to pretend he's a woman and now is going to take over the miss. Is that going to be erased?

01:14:57.800 Are we going to just have Mr. Miss universe? Like mix, it's just such mix. It's insanity.

01:15:04.060 It's going to be the mixed universe pageant soon. Um, I want to get to nothing, nothing sacred

01:15:10.000 anymore. I think that's what we're seeing. Even with this microcosm on a Miss universe pageant,

01:15:14.740 which who cares? It's a pageant, but it does matter. It does matter. They're going after

01:15:19.320 everything that makes women unique and special and gives us an advantage as being women. And that

01:15:25.480 matters for my daughter. It matters for Carrie's daughter and for your daughter. Like what they're

01:15:29.460 doing is death by a thousand cuts. And we, we got to recognize, we got to recognize what's going on.

01:15:36.640 You know, I was reading a provocative piece the other day and I was like,

01:15:39.540 it is provocative, but it's not wrong. It was talking about men, biological men who have the,

01:15:46.160 you know, the, the surgery where they cut off their penises and they have somebody build them a

01:15:50.900 vagina. And the point that the author was making up, forgive me, cause I can't remember who wrote

01:15:54.680 this, but they were saying it's not a vagina. It's a hole. That's what they get built a hole.

01:15:59.700 And so forgive me, this is graphic, but what they do is they reduce being a woman to, I guess,

01:16:06.820 some perverted guys vision of what it means to be a woman, just a hole for a penis. So that sex can

01:16:12.900 take place to the pleasure of the man. That's not what a vagina is. That's not what a female

01:16:16.820 reproductive system is or looks like, or is for. And so all of it is so reductive of women,

01:16:23.260 of actual women at every turn. Yep. Megan, where are the feminists?

01:16:27.880 Where are the feminists? Oh, they're on the other side, right? They're calling us transphobic right

01:16:34.260 now. Yeah. In real time, we're experiencing women every single day be erased, completely wiped out.

01:16:39.600 And the feminists are completely silent. Yeah. But what you just said, Megan is so good. I got chills

01:16:46.400 when you're saying that because that as graphic as it is, that's so important because that's exactly

01:16:51.780 what they're doing. It's characterization. We're, we're becoming cartoons like the drag queen. Yes.

01:16:58.000 They don't look like women. It's, I believe, and I'm going to say something that, you know,

01:17:02.420 is controversial, but I, I truly believe that all the drag queen, like this trans, transgenderism,

01:17:09.480 making, like you just said, holes on men and calling it a woman is the same thing as what we saw

01:17:14.900 with blackface. Like how, how is it any different? Oh yeah. Like a woman creating women by cartooning

01:17:21.860 them. Right. I don't see how this is any different. So like Carrie just said, where are the feminists?

01:17:27.620 Where are people standing up and saying, this is so disgusting. And it's an, it's insult. It's

01:17:32.780 mockery of women. You don't make a hole and call it a vagina. I'm sorry. That's not what it is.

01:17:37.300 If I were to tell you guys that I identify as, you know, African-American, I love the African-American

01:17:43.480 community. I see myself as African-American. And then I go now and I take a real African-American

01:17:49.800 scholarship. What would happen if I say, Oh, it's how I identify. It would never happen. But yet we're

01:17:57.420 allowing this as women, we're allowing men to come, come in our space, in our lane and say, no, no,

01:18:03.560 no, I'm going to take your spot. I'm going to shatter your records. And I'm going to, I'm going

01:18:07.960 to tell you guys what it's like to be a woman. I'm going to tell you what it's like, what girlhood

01:18:13.520 is a hundred percent. Right. And I've got to get to Dylan Mulvaney. I've been mentioning this person

01:18:18.540 on the show a lot because this Dylan Mulvaney just went and interviewed the president of the United

01:18:22.480 States, but I'll show you a clip of Dylan doing the, um, interview with our, with our president.

01:18:29.860 But then what I want to talk to you is about what to you about is what came out right after that

01:18:33.460 here's Dylan with Joe Biden. Uh, Mr. President, this is my two hundred and twenty first day of

01:18:40.460 publicly transitioning. Okay. So Dylan sits there, interviews the president of the United States,

01:18:47.280 and then it comes out that Dylan, um, not long ago, Dylan's only been trans for about two minutes.

01:18:52.360 Um, Dylan had a post not long ago talking about how, what we really need to do is I'm looking for it

01:18:58.800 here. Embrace the bulge that Dylan doesn't didn't feel comfortable. This is a man who's dressing like

01:19:04.320 a woman. Damn it. Dylan didn't feel comfortable, um, having to run around and taping Dylan's penis

01:19:10.200 down all the time, but loves to wear a super tight clothing and really felt that we need a concerted

01:19:15.820 effort to quote, normalize the bulge on trans women like Dylan. In other words, it's, it should be

01:19:26.180 normal for you to see somebody who looks like that in a super tight swimsuit with a penis sticking

01:19:31.100 out. And Dylan shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable as Dylan gets stared at by people who are like,

01:19:36.840 what the fuck is going on here? No hardcore. No.

01:19:43.740 He is a absolute disgrace. And I think that every minute he gets airtime is just disgusting. I think

01:19:51.100 that his 15 minutes or two minutes of fame is completely done. Um, it's an insult to all women

01:19:56.780 and shame on Ulta for having two men discuss what girlhood is and womanhood is and motherhood is.

01:20:02.300 They have no idea. It's, it's an insult to women and every woman in America should be out

01:20:07.060 outraged about this and speaking out about it. If you are not speaking out, you are complicit in this.

01:20:12.520 It's so, can we just spend a minute on that, that they, they've used Dylan at Ulta Beauty and some

01:20:18.240 other trans guy. I don't even know if he's trans. He's, he's a man with a beard and a long blonde

01:20:22.800 wig. They, those two who have never been, I don't know. He says he, how can he be cisgender? He looks

01:20:29.440 like a woman. I don't know. Whatever. Okay. My, my team's talking to my man. The point is no one

01:20:34.300 there had a girlhood. No one on the panel had a girlhood. And these people who want to pretend

01:20:38.660 that they, that they did, that they understand what it's like to be a woman or what it's like to have

01:20:43.720 been a girl because they, they just, they dress like us for two minutes are delusional. I was

01:20:48.580 talking to my friend about this. Think about your girlhood, right? Think about when your breasts

01:20:51.940 developed and we first got your period or in Leah Thomas cases, we first had to swim in the middle

01:20:55.960 school pool when you had your new period and you didn't understand what the hell. And like every

01:20:59.340 girl who had that moment were like, they didn't understand the pad tampon situation had an

01:21:03.400 embarrassing moment at the school. All that's just the anatomy stuff. Nevermind the emotional stuff

01:21:08.260 that comes with it. And like, they've never had any of that. Talk to me once you've had to be

01:21:11.340 bloated and your hormones have gone like none of it. They don't know what it means to be a woman.

01:21:15.540 And that's reducing cellulite and they're allowed to compete at Miss universe. That is not fair.

01:21:21.100 Good point. No woman's ass looks like that. No woman.

01:21:26.780 I know it's great. And you know what? It's, it's celebrating mental illness is honestly,

01:21:31.340 like if we're going to be totally frank, that's what it is. And then we're being told that if we

01:21:35.260 don't call a triangle a square, then we're the crazy ones. It's like, no, you, you don't,

01:21:40.440 a triangle is not foresighted. You know, it's you, what we are witnessing is complete mental illness

01:21:47.660 being celebrated under the guise of inclusivity. And if we aren't celebrating along with them,

01:21:54.360 then we're the crazy ones and we're the bigots. But I think that it's so far past time that we

01:22:00.080 get beyond the name calling, you know, that's Carrie and I have been living in that for a long

01:22:03.320 time where it's like, call me what you want to call me. I don't care because the world's falling

01:22:08.520 apart and my daughter is going to be affected. And so that's where California, the name, the name

01:22:13.720 calling is, isn't scary. And it's not scary enough for us to stop talking. You got to be strong

01:22:18.680 because you live in super blue, California. And I don't know, San Diego, I think is a little bit

01:22:22.380 more right. Balance, but, um, not so much. We want to show women across this country. Like we're

01:22:27.320 standing up in California. This crap is not going to take place here. So what message does that send

01:22:32.540 to the mom, the single mom in Alabama? This we're standing up. What happens here happens everywhere

01:22:38.580 else. And we're seeing that you saw Plano, Texas. I mean, this is, this is going to happen across the,

01:22:43.440 across the nation. And so Britt and I really want to give people hope. We are fighting this here.

01:22:49.460 And I want to give people that are listening encouragement to stand up. The time is now,

01:22:54.920 now is not the time to retreat. I know you got a little bit of freedom back, but now is not the time

01:22:58.440 to retreat. Now is the time to double down, stand up, fight back, go to the front lines and really

01:23:03.660 push back against this agenda because our kids are suck. All right. I've got to ask you about

01:23:08.460 another piece of the beauty pageant, uh, world and news breaking today that maybe there's a cheating

01:23:13.760 scandal. I've got, I got it. I got to ask you that. And my producer said, please, please ask them

01:23:18.180 for some beauty tips. So come up with one or two. Cause I, America wants to know, and then we've got to

01:23:23.520 take a quick walk down memory lane, Carrie with everything that happened to you when you were Miss

01:23:27.700 California and the Miss USA pageant is like you were in the news all the time. We covered you like

01:23:31.740 every day for a while there. So there's much, much more to discuss and it's fun. And it's coming up

01:23:35.860 right after this. Thank you girls so much for being here. BRB. I want to tell you there's an update now

01:23:43.520 on the attack on Paul Pelosi. This is from the San Francisco, um, police. They say the attack happened

01:23:50.200 at 2 27 AM last night that the suspect is named David DePape, um, that he is from Berkeley that

01:23:59.620 police arrived and David and Paul Pelosi were quote, both holding a hammer. Sounds like maybe

01:24:04.700 they were struggling over it. The suspect then took the hammer away from Paul Pelosi and attacked him

01:24:09.300 with it. The motive is still being determined. This man's going to be charged with attempted homicide,

01:24:15.160 assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, burglary, and several other felonies. Again, this is,

01:24:20.100 um, this is the San Francisco Chronicle citing the police there. And again, the suspect is from

01:24:26.680 Berkeley, all sorts of reports about who this guy actually was and, um, his history out there on

01:24:33.380 Twitter. We're not going to report any of that yet. It's not confirmed, but if, if it's this guy,

01:24:39.120 it's going to be an interesting, it's going to be an interesting deconstruction of what drove him

01:24:44.220 there. Um, okay, let's get back to our panelists, two moms and former pageant participants,

01:24:49.320 Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayer are with me. All right. So you girls mentioned that you were

01:24:54.280 both, you both had the same sort of route through the pageant. Both were Miss California, both wound

01:24:59.220 up first runner up in the Miss USA, you know, national title pageant and carry that you were all

01:25:07.200 over the news because when you were in the pageant, you gave this answer to Perez Hilton.

01:25:15.320 This is 2009. Um, Barack Obama had the same view as you did at the time, but you became super

01:25:21.460 controversial over it. Here it was. Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalize same-sex

01:25:29.060 marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit? Why or why not? Well, I think it's great that

01:25:36.220 Americans are able to choose one or the other. Um, we live in a land that you can choose same-sex

01:25:42.620 marriage or opposite marriage. And you know what? In my country and in, in, in my family,

01:25:48.820 I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody

01:25:53.260 out there, but that's how I was raised. And that's how I think that it should be between a man and a

01:25:58.300 woman. Thank you. First of all, that took guts. You, you knew very well what the sort of more PC

01:26:03.780 answer was. And you know, you said no offense to anybody. So you could tell you knew that,

01:26:08.520 but you said what you actually believed and you knew that it could potentially cost you the crown.

01:26:15.840 Yeah. Unfortunately, I knew that my dreams of being Miss USA were completely over at that point,

01:26:21.080 unfortunately. Oh, because there'd been controversy before. What do you mean?

01:26:24.320 Just, I, I just felt just, it was such an inappropriate question to ask, you know, to,

01:26:30.040 to ask these young women who have aspirations to go on and, and do such great things. It was so sad

01:26:35.880 to me that, um, a gotcha 30 second question, um, on national television would be, you know,

01:26:42.560 of course, out of all people, I would get that, but I really believe that God chose me, you know,

01:26:47.140 for that moment because he knew that I was going to say the right thing. And regardless of what you

01:26:51.480 believe, we should all be entitled to have our own opinions. We should never be punished

01:26:54.780 for voicing our own, our own beliefs. And that's why at that moment that gave me the courage to,

01:27:01.360 as a mother now, oh my gosh, 12 years later, imagine how more fierce I am now, um, to stand up

01:27:08.620 for what's right. And nobody will take my voice away. That is a good point. I, I don't, I don't remember

01:27:16.080 talking about it in that way. Like why would he ask, forgive me for a, but like a beauty pageant

01:27:22.520 contestant about gay marriage, like you're not running to be president. It was a man. Yeah. It

01:27:28.140 was a man under the, under the disguise of, you know, anything LGBT family friendly, you know,

01:27:33.220 with, with that equality label slapped on it. Oh, that's fair game. But let's, let's get it wasn't

01:27:38.300 a man exploiting a woman for his, for his agenda. That's what it was. I feel like, look,

01:27:44.500 the question in general, like of a politician and so on back then is very fair. It was a,

01:27:48.460 an, a news item that was being discussed and debated and so on. But I never could, we said

01:27:53.320 like, why would that be the question of a beauty contestant? You know, you're not running to be

01:27:57.440 president. You're not running for Congress. Um, yeah, I don't know. You're right. What do you look

01:28:02.580 for in a man? Why did I ask? Why did I get asked that? Oh my God. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah.

01:28:08.680 Yeah. Lucky me. Lucky me. Oh my. Well, so who cares? Right. It's like, you wound up being a

01:28:16.160 national news story because of that. And then it was like, I don't know, you get dethroned. I can't

01:28:19.780 remember how it all went down. Um, but it did occur to me when I saw you up in front of that school

01:28:23.960 board, like she's kind of had a lifetime of this. You really kind of don't give an F if people don't

01:28:29.340 like what you have to say, you're true to your beliefs. So how did that happen? Like what,

01:28:33.640 what are your parents like? How did they raise this strong young woman?

01:28:36.400 Oh, that's so, it's such a great question. And I, uh, I, I'm trying not to get emotional,

01:28:42.080 but you know, growing up, it was not easy. You know, my parents got divorced at a young age and,

01:28:46.920 um, the tabloids like to bring that up and throw their divorce records all over the internet,

01:28:50.620 which was totally embarrassing. Um, but, uh, they got divorced when I was really young and didn't have,

01:28:57.200 uh, you know, a normal upbringing, I would say, but I'm not a victim at the end of the day. Both of my

01:29:03.120 parents loved me. Both of my parents told me every single day, how incredibly smart I was,

01:29:08.860 how I was going places, how God had, you know, a plan for my life. I really believed it. And I knew

01:29:14.820 it. And I felt it, that I was going to do something so big in this world to make the world a better

01:29:19.580 place. And my faith really is what is what I give all the credit to. I mean, God is so good. And he

01:29:26.580 used, you know, that little tiny pageant to further my platform. And I really believe like

01:29:33.160 he gives us things that we can say, if, if, if we're going to say yes to it, he gives us a little

01:29:38.100 more and he tests us and he sees, okay, I'm going to give you this task. Are you going to do the

01:29:42.420 right thing? And when you do it, he gives you a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit

01:29:45.700 more. And so I just feel like I'm just so thankful that, that God has just given me this incredible

01:29:51.240 platform as, as now a mom to teach my kids. Nothing is more important than staying true to

01:29:56.400 who you are and showing grace and love and, you know, not being, that's what's so, that's what

01:30:04.520 bothers me is they want to label me as this hateful, I'm anti, you know, gay. That's totally not the

01:30:09.720 case. I have gay friends. I have, you know, so many people in my life that, that don't agree with me,

01:30:15.760 you know, but we love one another and we find what we have in common. And so at the end of the

01:30:21.120 day, my parents did a really good job. I will say both of them, my dad just recently passed away.

01:30:25.740 I miss him so much. He was so proud of the woman that I, that I am. And I know that he's with me

01:30:30.500 now. Oh, I'm so sorry. Oh, you know, I, I, I think the pageant world is fascinating and it's

01:30:37.100 very interesting to me. I, I had so much fun the other 2018, I think it was when over in the Miss

01:30:42.460 America pageant, they got rid of the bathing suit competition, which is like, wasn't that the most

01:30:47.560 absurd thing ever? I mean, I have, you guys have a much better standing because they wanted the

01:30:51.820 they wanted the bulls. I was like, no one is going to watch this. Why don't we just have them compete

01:31:00.000 on? I don't know, some sophisticated theory of Darwinism. How about they get up there and read

01:31:04.440 some encyclopedic volume? I mean, nobody wants to watch the Miss America pageant to begin with.

01:31:09.760 Nevermind if you get rid of the bathing suit competition and I was proven right.

01:31:13.520 Yeah. Yes. Why don't they want to see women that work hard and, and, you know,

01:31:19.500 work hard for their figure? It's, it's, it's inspirational. Yeah. It's inspirational. It's

01:31:24.280 like, you're like, okay, look at Victoria's secret. There's obese women now on the cover

01:31:28.840 of Victoria's secret. I mean, everything the left touches, they've ruined, like everything is ruined

01:31:34.580 by the left. And it's just so sad. So what about, what if I got to, I only have a few minutes left,

01:31:39.460 cause I want to make sure I get to my things. Um, do we think that there was cheating at the Miss

01:31:43.840 USA, uh, competition recently for those who haven't been following it? Here's a quick rundown.

01:31:48.680 Uh, Miss Texas was crowned Miss USA in 2022. She walked forward to greet the crowd. This is from

01:31:54.760 Washington post and then walked back, uh, to the stage. And that is when the other contestants

01:32:00.220 should have greeted her, but they didn't. Many began leaving the stage. She, this is the first

01:32:05.740 Filipino American to win Miss USA and her fellow contestants were not for it, not because she was

01:32:12.260 Filipino, but because they believe that there was some sort of cheating going on that the pageant

01:32:17.480 gave her preferential treatment, uh, and that Miss USA is umbrella corporation, Miss brands run by

01:32:25.660 crystal Stewart, uh, that, that they've now been suspended by the Miss universe organization that

01:32:30.620 Miss brands is now being investigated for claims that the pageant outcome was fixed.

01:32:37.640 This is exciting and kind of really interesting. I don't know.

01:32:41.620 I will say if you want to look for drama and controversy, look at the pageant industry.

01:32:48.280 There's always something there. It actually reminds me of when Trump was running. Carrie,

01:32:52.780 do you remember, uh, like I remember all the major media organizations reaching out to me

01:32:58.580 because they wanted so bad to find something that he had done when we were Miss California. Do you

01:33:04.360 remember that? It kind of reminds me of the same thing where it's like, um, so during the time that

01:33:09.140 Trump was running, he had just, I think he was no longer the, he had transitioned out of owning the

01:33:14.580 Miss universe organization and they were so hell bent to get something on him. They wanted to make up

01:33:19.980 stories of him coming into the back of the changing dressing rooms and all these allegations and it

01:33:26.740 never happened, never happened. But we, uh, we had such a frenzy of just media, um, activists

01:33:33.800 trying to pin something on Trump that Trump had to have done something in the changing room. So it

01:33:38.740 reminds me of the same thing where it's like, there's all, if you want drama, just look at the

01:33:42.220 pageant industry. There's always to go. I am not surprised. They try to exploit women every single

01:33:47.280 day. Look what they did to me, you know, 32nd gotcha question. They actually admitted that it

01:33:51.460 was for ratings. So I'm not surprised at all. All right. So one, one thing I want to mention with

01:33:57.860 the pageant before we move on is Carrie and I noticed that in this whole transition with the

01:34:03.780 transgender, the man that now owns the Miss universe organization, I was scrolling through the

01:34:08.540 article, reading it, you know, shocked, but, um, I noticed a name in there, Paula sugar. And she was

01:34:13.980 my direct contact when I was miss California. And when I was second place at miss USA,

01:34:18.080 she's who I dealt with rather than going directly to Trump. So she was his right-hand guy.

01:34:22.460 And I noticed that she's still in there. What does that say about the women that are still in

01:34:26.620 that pageant that are okay with what's happening right now? The deconstruction of womanhood in real

01:34:31.340 time. Yeah. All right. Let's get to the important stuff before you go. We need to look,

01:34:36.460 we need a couple of beauty tips. Our, our young female producers are like, they can have anything.

01:34:40.220 We need something. I'm thinking, you know, you're not recommending those enormous earrings that you

01:34:44.320 had on Carrie at that. Wouldn't it be nice if we could dedicate our life to being like these

01:34:48.940 bloggers that are like, all right, ladies, let's talk about makeup and hair. They're so good.

01:34:54.200 It's like, the world is on fire and we're trying to save the world.

01:34:58.320 Stay out of the sun. Okay. That's good. I agree with that one. A hundred percent.

01:35:02.320 What else? Oh yes. Brit has, oh my gosh, Megan. She, if you see her in real life,

01:35:06.680 she has the most amazing skin that you could, and she does not do Botox at all.

01:35:12.840 Oh, come on. This is true. Well, you're still young.

01:35:14.320 You didn't have one wrinkle. True. You ladies are still young. Oh, stop, Carrie.

01:35:18.280 By the time you're picking on your hair. You know, next time we come on with you, Megan,

01:35:21.240 we'll have like a little power hour and we'll actually talk about you. Wait, wait,

01:35:23.940 tell her real quick about your light thing. What light thing? What light thing? The light thing you put on.

01:35:29.500 Oh, Oh, I have an led mask, Megan. I have an led mask that I put on. It's an led mask and the red

01:35:38.900 light therapy, it helps prevent wrinkles. Oh my God. Where can I find this? There you go. I think

01:35:44.600 I can't remember the name of it. I just look up led mask for your face. Yeah. All right. They're

01:35:49.620 all selling out right now. I leave you with that. I like that a lot. I like a little highlighter,

01:35:54.520 but not too much. Cause then you look a little strippery, like a little, like, you know, on your,

01:35:58.340 on your cheekbones here. Yeah. I like a little bit of highlighter right here on the cheekbones.

01:36:01.800 Just a little bit. Can't go too far. I like a little less is more, but I also want women to,

01:36:07.700 to feel beautiful. And I mean, what woman doesn't feel beautiful when they put on makeup and do their

01:36:12.840 hair? So I know I had a guy in the program last week saying just stay out of the sun and don't wear

01:36:18.140 makeup because it's toxic and embrace your, the natural you. And that's when I think I told them to

01:36:23.260 F off, but I love talking to you ladies, Carrie Brit come back soon. Okay. And all the best.

01:36:30.600 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 28, 2022

Oz Takes the Lead, and ＂Family Friendly Drag Show,＂ with Jeremy Boreing, Robert Cahaly, and Carrie Prejean ｜ Ep. 422

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