The Megyn Kelly Show - Pelosi Bodycam Footage Revealed, and Pfizer Exec Caught on Tape, with Michael Knowles and Mike Baker

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.620 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. We made it.

00:00:16.860 We are awaiting at this hour the release of the body cam footage and other videos in the Paul

00:00:22.340 Pelosi home invasion case. They did not want to release this stuff, but a bunch of media

00:00:27.260 organizations took to the court to demand it and they won. It is expected to drop at any moment.

00:00:33.380 Noon is the time it's expected, which it is now, and we will bring it to you as soon as we get our

00:00:37.880 hands on it. This comes as another video is breaking the internet, as they say, the latest in the Project

00:00:43.460 Veritas undercover investigations featuring a top Pfizer executive. This is the guy in charge of

00:00:52.620 research and development, speaking very freely and, you could argue, alarmingly. When he's

00:00:58.960 confronted by James O'Keefe, you know, that moment when James O'Keefe sort of pops out of the shadows,

00:01:04.580 things get really uncomfortable and kind of violent. Joining me now is Michael Knowles,

00:01:10.620 host of The Michael Knowles Show over on The Daily Wire. Michael, so, so glad to have you here. How are

00:01:15.320 you? Megan, great as always to be with you. Thank you for having me. Don't you love James O'Keefe? I

00:01:20.520 mean, he's just such a, he's a muckraker, right? He's just a stirrer of all sorts of excrement in a

00:01:26.580 great way. You know, in this clip in particular, James O'Keefe proves that he is the Chris Hansen

00:01:33.720 of politics. When he walks into that room, he says, hey, mind if I have a seat right over here?

00:01:38.360 What are you doing here? Are you, do you work for Pfizer? And then actually, Megan, just moments ago

00:01:43.340 before I came on, a classmate of mine reminded me that I actually went to college with this guy,

00:01:49.620 this Pfizer executive was a year below me in college and which makes perfect sense now because

00:01:56.360 he has absolutely all the characteristics of so many of my more aggressive activist liberal

00:02:03.440 classmates, which is that he's extremely ambitious, extremely cynical, willing to lie the first chance

00:02:11.660 that it suits him, outraged whenever he faces consequences for his actions. And then by the very

00:02:17.700 end of that, uh, that expose, he says, well, I'm, I'm lying. I was just, I'm a liar. I was lying on

00:02:23.960 this date. Nothing I said on camera was true. And I thought, buddy, that's not a great defense of

00:02:28.860 yourself. If your defense is that I can't believe you, uh, I'm going to have to go with the video.

00:02:33.960 Exactly. Exactly. I'll accept the spirit of your remarks. However, they don't apply to the part

00:02:38.040 you're referring to Yale. Right. Michael, if memory serves, it's really, really, uh, decayed from those

00:02:44.680 early days of Eli. I don't, something, something's going on in new Haven. They got to figure out

00:02:49.700 they're not sending it. Now my God, they'd say, Michael, well, good God. No, he wouldn't even let

00:02:54.620 him step foot on campus. All right. So let's walk the audience through it. This is, um, the guy's name

00:03:00.920 is Jordan Tristan Walker of Pfizer. And again, this is their head of research and development,

00:03:07.360 according to project Veritas. And they unleashed one of their undercover journalists to go quote

00:03:14.140 unquote interview this guy. Um, so Jordan Tristan Walker is one of the voices you'll hear. And then

00:03:19.500 you'll hear the undercover, um, uh, project Veritas reporter sort of pressing him. And we have a few

00:03:26.700 thoughts. We're going to walk you through it. Here's the first where, uh, Jordan

00:03:30.500 Walker talks about what Pfizer's doing to explore the COVID virus so that it can allegedly create a

00:03:39.380 new vaccine. But what it's doing to the COVID virus sounds rather concerning. Here it is.

00:03:45.160 Got one. We're exploring like, you know, the virus keeps mutating. Yeah. One of the things we're

00:03:50.300 exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it ourselves so we can create uncivilized vaccines.

00:03:55.940 Right. So we have to do that. If we're going to do that though, there's a risk of like, as you could

00:03:59.900 imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating fibrosis. Yeah. Okay. So we're like,

00:04:05.720 do we want to do this? So that's like one of the things we're considering. Okay. Like the future,

00:04:10.280 like maybe we can like create new versions of the vaccines and things like that.

00:04:13.880 Okay. So Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID?

00:04:18.660 Well, that's not what we say to the public. No, but that's why it was a thought that came

00:04:24.680 up in a meeting and we were like, why, why do we not? It was like, we're going to consider that

00:04:28.940 a little bit more discussion.

00:04:31.120 Oh my God. Like, first of all, he's so giggly. This is clearly like an alleged date set up. This

00:04:35.300 is generally how James does it. Um, and so it's two guys out together, clearly drinking and this

00:04:42.880 guy's super giggly and it's so fun that they're going to mutate the COVID virus, Michael, so that

00:04:48.220 Pfizer can test new vaccines on it and then make more billions of dollars. One presumes that clip

00:04:54.160 is also where this guy's excuse at the end that he was lying and just making it up on the date. It's

00:04:59.140 where, where it also falls apart because he's so specific. He's so fluent in the way that he's

00:05:05.540 describing, uh, Pfizer engaging in gain of function research. This is not the first time this has

00:05:10.940 occurred to him. This is not just a thought that he's popped into his mind to impress somebody on

00:05:15.660 a date. I don't know why this would be impressive by the way to say, Hey, my company is doing really

00:05:19.580 nefarious things that, uh, the, the sort of research that very likely caused the pandemic in the first

00:05:24.700 place. And then he says, we were not honest with the public. We're not telling them what we're

00:05:28.480 actually doing, but this is very specifically what we're doing. And then of course, when he gets

00:05:31.980 caught, he says, Hey, forget everything I said. I was just lying here. But in, in fairness to this

00:05:37.580 guy, uh, he, one, I'm grateful to him for exposing what Pfizer is almost certainly actually engaged in.

00:05:44.420 But two, what he's doing is, is no different from what Dr. Fauci did. When this guy at the end of

00:05:50.560 the video, James O'Keefe nails him and he says, no, that's not true. We're not engaging in gain of

00:05:55.140 function. That's all made up. That's what Dr. Fauci said before the U S Senate, when he perjured

00:05:59.180 himself under questioning under oath in front of Rand Paul, he said, we are not engaging in gain

00:06:05.000 of function research. We've never funded it. And then Rand Paul brings the receipts of the

00:06:09.500 specific research he was funding. And what does Fauci say? He goes, well, and if we were funding

00:06:13.500 it, it's totally fine. He got caught absolutely red handed. And so I think, okay, this guy, Jordan

00:06:18.200 Walker is going to be held to account. I assume he's going to lose his job. Well, what about Dr.

00:06:22.740 Fauci? That guy keeps getting plaudits and, and wonderful laudatory documentaries about him.

00:06:28.540 He's doing the same thing on a much larger scale. It's a good point. You know, the, um, I wonder

00:06:33.100 whether this guy's going to lose his job because very few media outlets seem interested in the

00:06:37.100 James O'Keefe tapes and we're going to play more of them. And, and, and unless the pressure is put

00:06:41.600 on Pfizer to explain whether in fact it's doing this and to comment on its senior executives, he's

00:06:46.380 third in line from CEO, according to our look at the chart. Um, they're going to keep doing it.

00:06:53.080 They're going to get away with it, which is truly outrageous. Now you are having, uh, some top doctors

00:06:57.660 weigh in on this saying how outrageous this is. We'll get to some of that as well. Uh, Pfizer,

00:07:01.620 I hope will be forced to respond to this on the record with whether it's doing this or not.

00:07:06.180 Uh, before we get to, cause the reporter does say that sounds an awful lot like gain of function

00:07:10.800 research where you take the bug and you find ways to make it more lethal or more contagious.

00:07:15.980 And they have an exchange about that. I'll play it in one second, but first let's listen to Jordan

00:07:20.060 Trister Walker of Pfizer tell this undercover project Veritas reporter about the testing they

00:07:25.160 are doing on monkeys or how it would work with their monkeys. Sot to.

00:07:35.280 So, um, the way it would work is like we put them in the virus in those monkeys and then we

00:07:41.880 successively like cause them to keep infecting each other. I would collect serial samples from

00:07:45.960 them and then the ones that are more infectious, like the virus, we'll put them in another monkey

00:07:50.060 and you just constantly actively mutate it. That's one way. Okay. Or you can even do like

00:07:54.060 directed like simulation, which like we should not prefer. And then you just sample what the

00:07:59.060 different like, um, like, uh, proteins on the surface of the virus look like over time. Okay.

00:08:03.900 Okay. You have to be like very controlled to make sure that this virus that you mutate doesn't create

00:08:11.800 something like, you know, it goes everywhere. Something crazy is the way that the virus started

00:08:16.020 to be honest. Like it's, it makes no sense if this virus popped out of nowhere. Like, yeah, I know.

00:08:21.060 Okay. We're all with Jordan, Tristan Walker on that last point, even though this morning,

00:08:26.260 literally just this morning, I listened to NPRs, uh, podcast and they were the whole thing for five

00:08:31.660 minutes. They're going off about how the virus came from a natural source. There's a zero evidence.

00:08:36.400 It came from a Wuhan, uh, from the, from the Wuhan lab. It definitely came from a market. I mean,

00:08:41.920 like zero proof that it came from a lab. Where is the proof that it came from an animal that they

00:08:45.800 tested 80,000 of them had never found it in any event. So now you have one of Pfizer's top

00:08:50.460 executives on camera saying, uh, this is how I suspect this man-made mutations, uh, that the

00:08:57.160 virus started in Wuhan. To be honest, it makes little sense. The virus popped up out of nowhere.

00:09:01.100 Yes. Word. Tell the truth. Many of us suspected this from the beginning when the official storyline

00:09:08.700 was that the pandemic came from a bad batch of bat soup at the Wuhan wet market that just

00:09:14.340 coincidentally was right down the road from the Wuhan Institute of Virology where they were conducting

00:09:18.080 this research. I think those of us paying attention knew what this was about from the beginning,

00:09:22.420 but the good news is I think by this point, now we're pushing three years later, uh, the public

00:09:29.200 has seen the evidence and no matter what NPR says, no matter what the crooked Pfizer spokesmen say,

00:09:35.500 I think people know what is up. And, and so we no longer trust big pharma, you know, living in a

00:09:41.980 country where you can't even trust big pharma executives. What has this nation come to? And so now the

00:09:46.780 question for us is what do we do about it? These are the people who lied to us about the origin of

00:09:52.420 COVID, about the virulence of COVID, about the efficacy of the vaccines, about the safety of

00:09:58.240 the vaccines, about the tests that they subjected the vaccines to. They lied to us about everything,

00:10:03.240 the masks and the social distancing and the whole kit and caboodle. So what are we going to do about it?

00:10:09.300 I think this is the part where at least the conservatives, if not more good faith liberals and people in the

00:10:16.700 center will go in and say, we need to wield the political order to punish Pfizer and to regulate

00:10:23.240 Pfizer. And it becomes a big problem because of, of the issue of regulatory capture. Very often the

00:10:29.100 agencies that are supposed to regulate these, these companies are totally beholden to these companies

00:10:34.080 or being funded by these companies. Hold that thought. I definitely want you to talk more about

00:10:37.760 that. Um, but I'm going to tee it up first. I'll get us there in the story as we tell the story

00:10:41.900 together. So, uh, undercover journalist listens to this guy saying, Oh, we're going to, we'd get

00:10:48.440 the monkeys and then we successfully cause them to keep infecting each other. And we collect the

00:10:51.960 samples from them and, um, we put it in another monkey and you just constantly actively mutate it,

00:10:57.860 uh, and says, uh, yeah, so this is going to be something we have to be really careful though.

00:11:01.940 Cause we could create something like, you know, that just goes everywhere. And that's when he makes

00:11:06.000 the point, like, that's what I think happened in you in Wuhan. Now this is crazy because let's keep

00:11:09.960 mind the people who we believe did it in Wuhan were, um, Chinese, uh, scientists working for

00:11:15.980 the Chinese government. And with the help of Peter Daszak's group, eco health Alliance,

00:11:20.100 this scientific research group here in the United States that we all fund, but it wasn't a drug

00:11:25.100 company who would stay, who would stand to benefit to the tune of $80 billion. That was revenue for

00:11:31.900 Pfizer last year. It w it's very complicated when you have the person who's going to fix the problem,

00:11:37.720 creating the problem, right? That that's a bridge too far. Uh, not to, not to say it's not a bridge

00:11:44.100 too far to have the others doing it. So here we are. That's the problem. Now the undercover journal

00:11:48.960 says, gee, it really sounds like gain of function kind of sounds like the thing where you take the

00:11:52.960 virus and make it more contagious or more dangerous. And here's that exchange in part.

00:11:57.660 So three, I mean, when is Pfizer going to implement the mutation of all these viruses?

00:12:03.220 I don't know. It depends on how the experiments work out. Cause this is just like something

00:12:07.280 we're trying, right? It sounds like gain of function to me.

00:12:11.480 I don't know. It's a little bit different. I think it's different. It's like there's,

00:12:15.180 it's definitely not gain of function. It sounds like it is. I mean, it's okay.

00:12:18.500 No, no, no, no, no, no. No, directed evolution is very different.

00:12:23.100 Direct evolution?

00:12:24.300 Directed evolution.

00:12:25.340 Directed evolution. Okay.

00:12:26.460 Okay. Well, so, I mean, is that what it is?

00:12:30.960 Maybe. I don't know.

00:12:33.140 Well, you're not supposed to do gain function research of the viruses.

00:12:36.520 Yeah.

00:12:36.940 They probably not. But you do like these like selected

00:12:39.640 directional mutations to try and see if you can be more potent.

00:12:42.460 Yeah.

00:12:43.080 So there is research on the line about that. I don't know how that's going to work.

00:12:46.740 There better not be any more outbreaks. It's like Jesus Christ.

00:12:48.860 There better not be any more outbreaks. Correct, Jordan. We all agree with that. But there it is

00:12:54.660 right there. It's not, it's not exactly gain of function. It's directed evolution where we're

00:13:00.120 trying to see if we can make the viruses more potent. Do you feel better?

00:13:04.880 It's not gain of function. It's increase of utility procedures. It sounds like a euphemism to me

00:13:15.160 for the exact sort of research that the questioner pretending to be on a date has talked about.

00:13:21.340 And what's so amazing about that exchange is imagine you're on this date and this guy just

00:13:26.920 keeps pestering you with questions about this very controversial, nefarious sort of program that your

00:13:31.660 company is engaged in. You keep answering and you keep telling the truth and you can see Jordan

00:13:37.840 Walker's, his blinkers start to go on. And eventually he says, well, I don't know. This is kind of weird.

00:13:43.620 Why are you asking me these questions? But, but he's so fluent in this research because it is

00:13:48.240 happening that he just keeps talking about it. I think when you, when you watch more and more of

00:13:53.620 the video, it becomes clear. This is really happening. If I, if I had to bet the farm right

00:13:59.160 now, I would bet Pfizer is engaging in this research and this guy got caught red handed.

00:14:04.360 Me too. He, he seems to me like he's enjoying himself. He's had him in a couple of drinks and the

00:14:08.720 drinks are acting like a truth serum. And if you're going to try to impress somebody on a date,

00:14:12.860 you're going to talk about like the size of your wallet or your bicep or your good character,

00:14:17.600 you're not going to be talking about your weird potency research at Pfizer in this kind of level

00:14:23.720 of detail. That's who the hell does that turn on? Um, by the way, just for color, Dr. Robert Malone,

00:14:28.860 who helped invent the MRNA vaccines. Um, he had this to say, and I think it's, he sums it up in Sop4.

00:14:35.740 If this is the quality of individuals within Pfizer that are making these huge decisions that

00:14:44.100 risk global public health, it's profoundly corrupt.

00:14:48.480 Yeah, correct. Right? Like this is the guy we're entrusting our health to and the future

00:14:54.140 health of our children to.

00:14:55.540 When the liberal establishment yells at all of the awful, unvaccinated, skeptical conspiracy theorist

00:15:05.100 people for not trusting the public authorities, the only answer can be, yes, we don't trust the

00:15:12.340 public authorities and that's not our fault. If the public authorities were not constantly lying to us

00:15:19.100 and then bragging about lying to us and then lying to us some more after they got caught

00:15:24.360 red-handed, I would be more inclined to trust them. But it's been at least three years now that

00:15:29.780 they've been doing this. They keep getting caught red-handed. And so don't accuse me of wearing a

00:15:35.100 tinfoil hat when I simply repeat their words back to them. They are liars.

00:15:41.260 Michael, how old are you? So how old is this guy?

00:15:43.660 You know, a lady never tells Megan, but I'm 32 years young.

00:15:46.160 So he, and he was right behind you or right in front of you?

00:15:50.300 Yeah, he was one year behind me. So he's either 31 or 32.

00:15:53.920 Is it possible he's actually head of R&D at Pfizer? I mean, it just seems too young. It seems

00:15:58.040 too inexperienced.

00:15:59.260 Well, even if he's not the tippy top head of it, I don't know how the corporate structure of Pfizer

00:16:03.100 works. He has a director level position. He's working on these things specifically. It was right

00:16:08.440 there on his LinkedIn before he scrubbed it. It was there on Pfizer's documents before they tried to

00:16:13.900 scrub those from the internet. So I think that probably what Pfizer and the libs will try to

00:16:20.120 do now is they'll say, oh, this was a low level employee. This is always what happens when they

00:16:24.800 get caught. It's a low level staffer, but it's not a low level staffer. You can hear that from

00:16:29.060 the fluency with which this guy talks about these issues and the information that he knows about the

00:16:34.640 procedures that are going on.

00:16:35.840 It's true. And listen to you, you're brilliant and you're his age. So it's like, it can happen.

00:16:39.780 You can get the whippersnappers who really wow people from Yale. And before you know it,

00:16:44.140 they're running Pfizer R and D and his title, you know, it certainly makes it sound like he is.

00:16:48.340 And project Veritas is asserting that he is just two titles below CEO, Albert Borla.

00:16:52.920 So here's the moment. All right. Here's the, this is the James O'Keefe moment that has made James

00:17:00.000 like a nearly household name. The surprise confrontation where he comes,

00:17:03.900 he comes out. And I mean, if you're listening to this, you gotta, you can go on YouTube and watch

00:17:09.600 this with me and Michael, you should go check out project Veritas's website where the whole thing

00:17:13.480 runs. But here's a bit of the confrontation. Sat five. Hey there. Is this seat taken? You work for

00:17:21.360 Pfizer. My question for you is why is Pfizer want to hide from the public? The fact that they're

00:17:26.540 mutating the COVID viruses. Is this real life? I'm literally a liar. I was trying to impress a

00:17:32.860 person on a date. What's your life? This is absurd. Don't touch me. Well, this is not why the way

00:17:38.300 don't tell anybody. He was just working in a company to literally help the public. You

00:17:45.100 really did. Please bring the cops. I'm feeling very unsafe right now. Yeah. You're feeling unsafe.

00:17:54.660 Okay. Right. Retreats right to like, I'm unsafe because I got called out on my bad behavior.

00:18:00.220 And you can always tell when the voice goes super high. Oh, I was lying. I said, no, it wasn't true.

00:18:06.540 This is every scene from to catch a predator. I mean, this is why I think of James O'Keefe as the

00:18:11.720 political Chris Hansen is what happens. Chris Hansen walks in and you've got the weird sex guys

00:18:17.020 standing over in the corner and he's got, you know, his movies and popcorn or whatever. It's why don't

00:18:22.380 you have a seat over here. And what's the first thing out of the guy's mouth every time he says,

00:18:25.960 I wasn't going to do anything. I was just lying in the transcripts. I was just lying about every,

00:18:30.480 it was all dishonest. This guy is giving the exact same answer. And this guy is presenting himself

00:18:35.960 as a predator, not as a sexual predator driving to some person's house, but as a public predator,

00:18:42.940 as someone attempting to deceive the public on a very, very important, dangerous issue from one of

00:18:51.080 the most powerful corporations in the world. All right, here's the next scene where it devolves

00:18:57.160 into a bit of an altercation. This is the amount of like terror this guy has knowing what he just said,

00:19:04.460 that he was being taped and that this is going to come out. It's sat six.

00:19:08.660 Unlock the door.

00:19:14.740 Please unlock the door. Please unlock the door.

00:19:20.540 Unlock the door. Unlock the door. Unlock the door. Unlock the door. Unlock the door. Unlock the door.

00:19:28.340 report. This is this is remarkable here. We're trying to unlock the door. I'm on the door.

00:19:37.680 I'm on the door. It's not. I lock the door like that. It is not. Stop. Let go of me. Now you're

00:19:44.880 hurting me. What is going on here? You cannot just record people like that. It's not OK.

00:19:51.680 He's clearly intoxicated. And for the listening audience, what you saw there was the guy,

00:19:55.820 according to James was reporting and what I see with my own eyes, tried to grab the the equipment

00:20:02.600 from the Project Veritas recording crew, the iPad, the camera, and try to destroy them because he

00:20:09.620 thought somehow that was going to be the answer to his problem. I feel a little sorry for him in

00:20:13.680 that moment. I'm not going to lie. But this is the problem. Like when you work for a company like that

00:20:18.480 and you stop, you talk about their infuriating secrets so openly, it's probably going to induce

00:20:23.780 panic in the larger public and in you once you realize what you've done.

00:20:27.760 Well, he realized that he got caught. An innocent man who's doing nothing wrong doesn't react in this

00:20:35.360 way. And he could say, well, I was just following orders. A lot of people have said that throughout

00:20:39.960 history. But when you go to work, when you sign up to work for a company, you're putting your your life

00:20:46.680 on the line, you're putting your soul on the line, you're putting your your moral self on the line.

00:20:51.720 And when you do things that are immoral on behalf of your company, you are culpable for that. And so

00:20:58.400 this guy reacts in a way that does not look good for him at all, and is not going to work. First of

00:21:04.040 all, even if he gets the iPad, there are what, four or five cameras filming over here, he's not going

00:21:08.600 to grab all of them. Two, James O'Keefe is a pretty buff guy, actually. And you know, as much as I love my

00:21:14.100 fellow Yalies, we're good at a lot of things, singing acapella, occasionally dancing to musical

00:21:18.980 theater. But generally speaking, we're not the most physically intimidating guys in the world.

00:21:23.020 This was never going to end well. John, the revelator came down from the mountain.

00:21:31.760 I'm sure he could beat James O'Keefe in a Gilbert and Sullivan contest, but you're not going to beat

00:21:37.480 the entire film crew with the bodyguards. It's not going to happen. It's an act by a drunk,

00:21:42.560 desperate man who can sense what he's actually just done. Totally irresponsible. But to your

00:21:48.500 point, glad he did it and glad James did it because we deserve to know this. They're sticking

00:21:54.020 that needle in our arms and our children's arms right now. They're still having mandatory vaccine

00:21:59.680 programs all over the country. They're trying to bring them back in schools and so on. They're still

00:22:03.860 in our school. And then to your point about why this is so pernicious, because the people who approve

00:22:11.760 that vaccine and are supposed to be holding Pfizer responsible and accountable for its role in the

00:22:18.040 public health system are on the take. They're basically on the take because they are banking

00:22:24.680 on getting a big job at Pfizer when they leave the FDA or potentially the CDC, as they have been doing

00:22:32.200 for years. That's where they cash in these public regulators who are looking out for us. And they

00:22:38.840 discuss that, too. Here's an interesting soundbite on that exact point. Soundbite eight.

00:22:43.720 It's a revolving door for all government officials. Wow. Yeah, for any industry. So, like, in the

00:22:50.560 pharma industry, all the government officials who, like, review our drugs, they come work for

00:22:54.900 pharma companies. Like, in the military, like, all the, like, army and defense, like, government officials

00:22:59.600 eventually go work for the defense companies afterwards. How do you feel about that revolving

00:23:03.260 door? Like, it's pretty good for the industry, to be honest. Yeah. It's bad for everyone else in

00:23:08.620 America. Why is it bad for everybody else? Because if the regulators, so if a few are drugs,

00:23:13.280 you know that once they stop being regulated, they want to work for the company, then I'm going to be

00:23:16.720 as hard for the company. Jordan, he nails it once again. That's, I mean, of course, we all know he

00:23:24.100 is telling the truth. That is true. That's not a lie, though he claimed to be later. We pulled the

00:23:28.240 stats. Science Mag in 2018 did a report. 15 of the 26 employees who left the FDA later worked or

00:23:34.940 consulted for the biopharmaceutical industry that was studying just one year, a nine-year

00:23:40.720 period, I guess, in one field. The hematological, I don't know, in one field, Michael. And then they

00:23:49.000 said this. Science has discovered that 11 of the 16 FDA medical examiners who worked on 28 drug

00:23:54.440 approvals and then left the agency for new jobs are now employed by or consult for the companies

00:23:59.140 they recently regulated. 11 of the 16 FDA examiners who worked on the drug approvals.

00:24:07.200 The vast majority who decide what drug gets approved or, you know, is okay to stick in our

00:24:13.460 arms, they're on the take. They are beholden to big tech for the big job to pay their big

00:24:18.940 mortgages. This is a matter of the highest sort of public corruption. And so we're laughing

00:24:25.780 about it because it's kind of a funny video. And you might even feel a little sorry for the guy

00:24:30.600 in the way that you feel sorry for anybody who gets caught doing something wrong and the kind

00:24:35.060 of pity that one feels for criminals. But to your point, Megan, this is deadly serious,

00:24:41.420 truly deadly serious. These vaccines have been mandated. People have been forced to violate

00:24:46.680 their conscience in many cases because the vaccines were produced using and developed using

00:24:51.620 aborted fetal cells. They have been forced to get it against their will, knowing the risks or

00:24:58.820 suspecting the risks. People have died from these vaccines. People have had very serious complications

00:25:03.880 from these vaccines. And then furthermore, to the type of research that we're talking about here,

00:25:08.260 gain of function research, gain of function research has killed people. If, as seems likely,

00:25:13.440 gain of function research was involved in launching the pandemic in the first place, many, many,

00:25:18.100 people have been killed because of this. And Dr. Fauci, when he was discussing the risks of gain

00:25:23.900 of function years ago, he said, well, you know, it's basically worth the risks. Yes, it could go

00:25:29.560 awry, but the benefits outweigh the potential costs. Well, even if that were the case, that ought to be a

00:25:34.300 matter for public debate. I don't think that the benefits seem to outweigh the costs here, but that

00:25:39.640 should be a matter for public debate, not for a pharmaceutical company to hide and lie to the public

00:25:46.120 about. And then for that same pharmaceutical company to, to control the regulators who should

00:25:51.560 at the very least be asking questions about these kinds of activities. Yes, it's true. And before you

00:25:57.140 start to feel too bad, I'm talking to myself for Jordan. Here he is feeling pretty good about the

00:26:02.440 amount of dough his company is collecting and notwithstanding the risks of this making the

00:26:09.000 virus is more potent activity. It's not seven. Isn't that like the best business model? Like

00:26:17.000 just control nature before nature even happens itself, right? Yeah. If it works. What do you

00:26:24.860 mean if it works? Because like some of the times it would just be mutations that pop up, right?

00:26:28.440 Like with Delta or Omicron and things like that. So who knows? I mean, either way,

00:26:35.240 it's going to be a cash cow, COVID probably a cash cow for us for a while going for it. Well,

00:26:39.320 yeah, I obviously like, well, I think the whole, you know, I think the whole like research of the

00:26:46.800 viruses and mutating it like would be the ultimate like cash cow. Yeah. It'd be perfect.

00:26:55.080 It'd be perfect. And he says, it's hard to hear there, but he says, well, some of the times,

00:26:59.560 um, mutations pop up that we're not prepared for like the Delta and the Omicron and things like

00:27:05.540 that. Yes. The things that killed a lot of people, Delta in particular. Yeah. Those that's why we're

00:27:11.420 concerned about this, but you can hear him enjoying the notion of it's still going to be a cash cow for

00:27:17.040 us. You know, a lot of people called us rubes. Those of us early on who were skeptical of the whole

00:27:22.520 COVID regime and the mandates and the lockdowns and the vaccines. And they called us rubes. They said,

00:27:27.640 you don't understand how science works. I think those people don't understand how politics works

00:27:31.780 because anybody with two brain cells to rub together could have realized at the beginning

00:27:35.400 of this whole lockdown nonsense, that a handful of companies, a small number of individuals stood to

00:27:41.700 make a ton of money from the COVID regime. The COVID lockdowns broadly represented the largest

00:27:49.080 transfer of wealth from the lower classes to the wealthier classes in recorded history. Do you think

00:27:55.340 that that doesn't have any effect on the kinds of policies that you're going to see pushed from

00:28:01.000 the private sector, from the public sector? And by the way, the distinction between those two things

00:28:06.280 is getting blurrier by the day. If you don't think that money has any role in that, I have got a bridge

00:28:12.200 in Brooklyn to sell you along with all the vaccines and the gain of function research.

00:28:17.100 Again, Project Veritas is the one that got this story, broke this story. They're breaking their own

00:28:22.440 records right now. So far, I think something like 13 million views on this video just posted last

00:28:27.580 night. And people are interested. This affects everyone, every American and beyond. And Pfizer,

00:28:34.600 we know, has not been honest with us, has not told the truth, the full truth. We've interviewed people

00:28:38.840 who are part of the vaccine trials who got severely injured and whose data did not show up in the trial.

00:28:43.880 They were just dropped by Pfizer. That's not honest. So now finally, I'm team Jordan. Go Jordan.

00:28:49.700 He's telling us the truth. He's embarrassed and he's drunk, but he's telling us what appears to be

00:28:54.360 the truth. And hopefully the media will make sure this is not a one day story just because it came

00:28:59.400 from James O'Keefe, who they already dislike, but who's the only one willing to do the Chris Hansen

00:29:04.880 on those in power in another field. Michael Knowles stays with us as we now have our hands

00:29:10.560 on the Paul Pelosi body cam footage. We're going to show it to you next.

00:29:13.980 So, Michael, we just got our hands on the Paul Pelosi attack video. It's stunning. It's disturbing.

00:29:26.360 We are going to play it and we'll probably play it a couple of times and talk about our

00:29:30.380 observations. I just want to tell the listening audience what you're going to hear is two police.

00:29:36.180 Well, maybe more police officers show up at the door of Paul Pelosi. The door opens.

00:29:40.140 Paul Pelosi is on the right and the attacker, DePap, is on the left. They're kind of holding

00:29:47.100 hands, but not in a romantic way. It looks like DePap has his hand like on Pelosi's hand

00:29:51.120 and has a hammer. Pelosi is also holding a glass, water glass, something like that.

00:29:58.180 And you'll hear the police sort of greet them. Pelosi will say hi and it'll be self-explanatory

00:30:04.720 from there. Let's watch and listen.

00:30:08.560 Hi. How you doing? How are you? What's going on, man? Everything's good.

00:30:15.340 Hi. Drop the hammer. Um, nope. Hey. Hey, hey, hey. What is going on right here?

00:30:20.760 I'm not getting an answer on Paul Pelosi. Oh, shit.

00:30:23.020 You see Paul Pelosi lying on the floor. He opens the door. Uh, I mean, keep in mind,

00:30:45.580 the report is that this man came into his house at 2 a.m. Um, that Paul Pelosi was asleep in his bed.

00:30:51.360 So he's wearing what appears to be boxer shorts and like a sweater up top. And, um, DePap is

00:30:56.640 dressed. And my impression looking at this, Michael, a couple of things, there's no urgency

00:31:02.200 when the cops show up unclear who opened the door. It seems like, but it didn't appear to be the

00:31:07.040 police. Um, they're standing there. The guy's got a hammer and the cops are there because Paul

00:31:12.840 Pelosi called. He used his phone to call 911 and made clear he, that there was an attack underway,

00:31:18.280 that there, there was something happening underway. Um, I want to, I'm just looking back at my notes

00:31:24.240 to see what he said. He called 911. He left open the line saying, what's going on? Why are you here?

00:31:29.660 What are you going to do to me? And that prompted the 911 dispatcher to send police. Here's my thing

00:31:34.440 all along. We've been asking ourselves, why are the police being so cagey about this? Why, why are we

00:31:39.900 getting conflicting information? Why wouldn't they release the tape? You know what? My, my first

00:31:44.220 impression is seeing this. The police have been involved in a CYA of themselves from the beginning.

00:31:49.880 They look like morons. Why, why wasn't there urgency? They're the, they are the problem in

00:31:55.520 creating all the speculation around this. Why wasn't there urgency? Why, why did somebody gently

00:32:00.860 open the door? Why didn't they go in there immediately? They saw the guy. They knew there

00:32:04.520 was an intruder. They knew this is the, the husband of the house speaker. What, what was so,

00:32:10.340 why were they so cavalier about this? There were questions about the dispatch call as well at the

00:32:16.700 time before, obviously before we had the footage of the, the cops at the house, you had transcripts

00:32:23.800 of the dispatchers saying that the intruder or suspect was known to Paul Pelosi who made the phone

00:32:31.860 call. Again, I don't know if that was actually in the phone call, but according to reports, it was

00:32:36.640 in the language of the dispatcher. So to your point, it could be that this was a police issue,

00:32:42.380 that they just completely bungled this. But there are some strange questions here with Paul Pelosi's

00:32:47.340 behavior. As you point out, Megan, it's unclear who opens the door. Paul Pelosi's got a drink in

00:32:53.460 one hand and then his other hand is being held by De Poppe. So it doesn't look like Paul Pelosi opened

00:32:58.840 the door. It doesn't look like De Poppe was holding the door because with one hand, he's holding

00:33:01.500 Paul Pelosi. With the other hand, he's got the hammer. That's very strange. There's no urgency from the

00:33:05.740 cops. There's also no urgency from Pelosi. One would imagine that if you've had someone break

00:33:11.580 into your home, is holding you hostage with a hammer, particularly if your wife is the speaker

00:33:16.240 of the House of Representatives, you might say, help me, help me, this guy's trying to attack me.

00:33:20.820 Maybe not. Maybe it's two in the morning and Pelosi was just totally out of it for whatever

00:33:25.180 reason. But I agree the behavior of the cops is not quite what you would hope for in terms of

00:33:31.520 urgency. But the behavior of Pelosi and obviously De Poppe is pretty strange too.

00:33:37.960 I feel like I can understand perfectly why Paul Pelosi would be behaving bizarrely. He's an old

00:33:44.580 man. He's been woken up in the middle of the night by this intruder in his home. He's scared. He knows

00:33:51.200 he can't overpower the guy. And honestly, the cops and the FBI, their stories did not match.

00:33:58.320 They put out misinformation, which they then immediately had to correct about what who opened

00:34:04.760 the door. And there was something there was something in the media about underwear and

00:34:07.760 whatever. So the initial reporting on this was wrong. And the cops were very reluctant to release

00:34:14.660 all this information. As I said, the media had to sue them to make it happen. And now I see why,

00:34:19.760 with all due respect to the San Francisco Police Department, you blew it. You blew it. You knew the

00:34:25.200 guy was in distress. You knew this is a public official making him more likely to be a target

00:34:29.600 of this kind of attack. And you sauntered up there. You could have saved him. He had not yet been

00:34:35.340 attacked by the time you opened that door. As soon as you saw that that guy had his hands on Paul

00:34:39.960 Pelosi and had a hammer there, you should have been all over him. You should have been waiting.

00:34:44.400 How's it going? Hey, good. Can we just watch it one more time? Just, just to hear the,

00:34:50.300 the exchange, um, the verbal exchange that would, that is at the top.

00:34:57.840 Hi, how you doing? What's going on, man?

00:35:01.860 Everything's good.

00:35:04.560 Hi, drop the hammer.

00:35:06.420 Um, no.

00:35:07.680 Hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:35:09.040 No.

00:35:09.320 What's going on right now?

00:35:09.820 I'm not getting an answer on Paul Pelosi.

00:35:11.300 Oh, oh, oh, shit.

00:35:12.900 Come on, come on.

00:35:14.640 I'm getting a problem in the area, but it's not one of the answers.

00:35:19.800 Okay, so there you have it. Drop the hammer. Like, okay.

00:35:28.160 I guess everybody's really just laid back in California. This, this could have taken place

00:35:32.360 maybe at Venice Beach with the way that these police officers sound so relaxed here. But a

00:35:37.260 question I think we have to get from the answers on from the police is, did they know that this was

00:35:42.780 Paul Pelosi? If they knew that this was Paul Pelosi, that dramatically changes the calculation

00:35:48.700 here. If they thought it was just some random person they walked into, then who knows? Maybe

00:35:52.260 it's an intruder. Maybe it's a friend. Maybe, uh, again, that dispatcher suggested that the guy was

00:35:57.500 known to Pelosi. So maybe they were confused by-

00:35:59.320 Oh my God, if they didn't know, how did they not know? It's not like they have

00:36:01.980 that many congressional leaders living in San Francisco, right? It's like she's the speaker

00:36:08.920 of the house. You don't know where she, and you're not doing your job. I just feel like in

00:36:13.420 New York City, that is not how an NYPD cop would have sounded under these circumstances.

00:36:19.680 They're more used to dealing with this stuff.

00:36:21.500 There's another question. Why do the Pelosi's not have more security? I'm not, I'm not victim

00:36:28.440 blaming. I'm not saying, but it is really strange. I mean, I know, I know medium-sized

00:36:33.280 podcasters who have a lot more security than the Pelosi's seem to have. I certainly, I know plenty

00:36:37.000 of, of politicians who have more security. This woman is third in the line to the presidency

00:36:41.800 is where was the security? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she wasn't there. There would have been

00:36:47.440 security had she been there, but still it's a very good point. How did the guy just manage to,

00:36:51.240 you know, break a window and get right in? How, how is it the cops didn't have this house

00:36:55.840 on their radar? How was it not like, oh my God, Pelosi's house got broken into all sorts

00:37:00.960 of questions. Um, I do want to say this, the, the DOJ claimed in an indictment, uh, filed

00:37:08.580 on November 9th that the officers opened the door themselves. That does not appear to be

00:37:13.080 true. That's not true. And the body cam footage, which we're now looking at had was then viewed

00:37:18.640 by San Francisco DA's office. And it's, it, they came out later, San Francisco DA and said,

00:37:24.320 this body cam footage confirms it was Paul Pelosi who opened the door and let them into the home

00:37:30.820 that it was Paul Pelosi. Now I don't see Paul Pelosi opening the door in this video. Maybe

00:37:34.880 there's more to it, but the point, my point is that we've been misled by law enforcement officials

00:37:40.700 from the start on this. To me, it's very aggravating because people who smelled a rat and like

00:37:47.780 something's not adding up. What do you mean? Why, how could any of this have happened in the

00:37:51.460 way you're saying I'm, I'm one of the people who asked those questions. I didn't go to their gay

00:37:56.240 lovers. Like many people did on the, you know, internet. Um, but I just wanted more answers

00:38:01.900 to what happened, got labeled like disinformation artists by the New York times. And I know, and my

00:38:07.300 sin, if you look at the actual New York times, uh, article on it was my sin was wants more

00:38:13.280 information about the attack believes not all information has been disclosed. The irony of

00:38:17.640 the New York times then suing to get more information about the attack. They were one

00:38:21.060 of the complainants who demanded that they release the body cam video, which is what I'd been saying

00:38:24.600 too. And many people have been saying, but this is, it's just part of a larger story where people

00:38:29.340 who want more information, because we feel like we're not getting the full skinny, whether it's

00:38:33.380 from law enforcement officials in San Francisco or law enforcement officials who work for the FBI in

00:38:37.920 Washington are shamed, right? It's situational because the left is about to unleash on law

00:38:42.940 enforcement in Memphis, Tennessee, uh, in connection with a, with a, the horrific killing of an unarmed

00:38:48.480 black man by five black police officers. And I get that, but they have fewer questions when it's a city

00:38:54.820 they love. And it's a, it's a victim. They love, uh, that we're supposed to look the other way.

00:39:00.660 Of course, Megan, I'm going to break the cardinal rule of pundits here and just say,

00:39:05.520 I don't get it. I don't get it. I've now watched this tape two or three times. I, I don't get the

00:39:13.740 police behavior. I don't get, obviously I don't get to pap's behavior. I don't totally get, I just,

00:39:20.120 I just don't get it. And, and to, to your point, we were given a narrative by the DOJ. We were given

00:39:27.060 a narrative by local police. Those were lies. I don't get why they were lies. I don't get why this

00:39:32.220 story became a huge national story to the point that the president of the United States gave a

00:39:36.420 speech on it right before the midterm elections. And then it just disappeared. All of a sudden,

00:39:41.400 everyone is acting very, very sus to use the, the language of the Utes. And I would just like

00:39:48.480 some more information. Yeah, I know that we're about to get the 911 call. Uh, we'll have it in

00:39:53.320 just a bit and we'll play that too. And we're not sure if we'll have it in the next couple of minutes,

00:39:56.400 but just for, as a reminder, one of the reasons it became such a national story was the left

00:40:01.720 decided to blame it on the right. They decided to blame it on right wing rhetoric that led to this

00:40:06.720 horrific attack. And then the, it took about two minutes to dig into this guide to pop's history to

00:40:11.820 realize he's a lunatic. He thought he was Jesus for a year. He spoke to fairies and made some little

00:40:16.920 home for them. His ex gave an interview with San Francisco Chronicle talking about how he could

00:40:22.960 never hold a job. He's been homeless. He suffers from mental illness. Um, he's a broken child in an

00:40:28.280 adult body. He's got serious mental problems. He did help me fight against San Francisco's public

00:40:32.500 nudity laws, which she wanted. She was a nudist. And so was he for a time. Okay, great. Believe there

00:40:37.220 was a shadow government, um, on and on it went, but she was paranoid, believe people were watching him

00:40:43.280 and on the, they refused the left to acknowledge this is a sick man on the streets of San Francisco

00:40:49.940 because of the San Francisco policies because San Francisco refuses to clean up its homelessness

00:40:54.900 problem. It's drug addicted problem. Uh, and the fact that it looks the other way when rampant mental

00:41:00.400 illness is running around the streets, endangering its residents, they don't care. They think that's

00:41:03.900 what bleeding heart liberals are supposed to do. And that problem crept its way right up into the home

00:41:09.600 of Paul Pelosi. Well, these are the two big takeaways. If, if we had a magic wand and could do the whole

00:41:15.900 thing over again is obviously to prevent this, you would need to take care of lunatics and get them

00:41:21.160 off the street. And you would have to have much more active and aggressive policing. Those are two

00:41:26.500 issues that the left has run so hard against for, for the past, not only years, but past several

00:41:32.800 decades that they, they, they can't possibly admit that. And so they try to paint this Looney Tune as,

00:41:38.120 as MAGA country or something, you know, try to paint him as a Trump supporter. Don't really see that

00:41:42.300 anywhere. And then when that doesn't work, the story goes away. Correct. Well, we'll see now. Um,

00:41:48.200 we were not given the full story and the SFPD does have egg on its face and we were misled by law

00:41:54.380 enforcement. So, you know, there's still a lot of questions to be asked. Um, and we'll stay on it.

00:41:59.980 All right. I've got it. Oh, just as I was about to turn the page, we got the whole 911 call. This is

00:42:05.040 the first time any of us has heard this. Uh, it's two and a half minutes. This is when Paul Pelosi

00:42:09.940 found this guy to pop in his home. We are told he demanded to speak to Nancy Pelosi told to pop.

00:42:15.660 She wasn't there. He, the guy said he would wait for her. And then Pelosi got into the bathroom.

00:42:21.360 We were told and managed to call nine one one. Here it is.

00:42:26.120 Please. 74.

00:42:29.220 Oh, I guess I, I guess I, uh, I told them to say, what is this?

00:42:33.760 It's the San Francisco police. Do you need help?

00:42:36.080 Oh, well, there's a gentleman, uh, here, just waiting for my wife to come back.

00:42:43.260 We have to go to see.

00:42:44.300 0, 2, 23, and...

00:42:46.220 Uh, he's just, uh, waiting for her to come back because he's not going to be here for a day.

00:42:49.480 So, I guess we'll have to wait.

00:42:52.840 Hmm.

00:42:54.200 Okay. Do you need police fire or medical for anything?

00:42:56.860 Uh, I, I don't think so. I don't think so.

00:43:01.800 0, 2, 23, and...

00:43:06.620 Oops.

00:43:07.520 ...seconds.

00:43:08.140 Uh, there's the, uh, um...

00:43:11.020 Is the Capitol Police around?

00:43:14.500 0, 2, 20...

00:43:15.560 No, this is...

00:43:16.360 They usually protect my wife. They're usually here. They're usually here at the house.

00:43:19.820 Protecting my wife.

00:43:21.260 No, this is San Francisco police.

00:43:23.980 Friday, October...

00:43:25.180 I, I, no, I understand.

00:43:27.340 Um...

00:43:27.820 0, 2, 22...

00:43:29.520 Okay, well...

00:43:30.360 0, 2, 24, and...

00:43:32.640 And what do you think?

00:43:33.200 ...18 seconds.

00:43:34.860 I think everything's good.

00:43:38.080 Uh, he thinks everything's good. Uh, I, I've got a problem, but he thinks everything's good.

00:43:44.360 0, 2, 24, and...

00:43:46.640 No, no, no. This, this gentleman just, uh, came out of the house. Uh, and he wants to wait here for my wife to come home.

00:43:53.900 0, 2, 24, and...

00:43:56.640 Anyway, he told me to put his phone down.

00:43:58.620 Do you know, do you know who the person is?

00:44:00.860 No, I don't know who he is. He, uh, uh, he has this...

00:44:04.500 He told me, he said, he told me not to, uh, he told me not to do anything.

00:44:08.880 What is your address, sir?

00:44:11.540 Uh, 26...

00:44:13.340 2, 25, and...

00:44:16.820 What is your name?

00:44:17.640 Um, my name is Paul Pelosi.

00:44:20.180 2, 25, and...

00:44:22.180 Friday.

00:44:24.680 Anyway, this gentleman says that, uh, he thinks everything he ought to, you know, he told me to put the phone down.

00:44:31.380 And, uh, just do what he said.

00:44:32.980 ...18 seconds.

00:44:34.400 Okay?

00:44:35.140 Okay, who, what's the gentleman's name?

00:44:37.900 I don't know.

00:44:38.280 David Batten.

00:44:39.020 What's that?

00:44:39.660 My name's David.

00:44:40.840 The name is David.

00:44:41.800 Okay, and who is David?

00:44:45.820 I, I don't know.

00:44:47.080 I, what's that?

00:44:48.340 I'm a friend of theirs.

00:44:49.980 Yeah, I, I, um, he says he's a friend, but...

00:44:53.000 But you don't, but you don't know who he is?

00:44:56.000 No, no, ma'am.

00:44:57.220 ...8 seconds.

00:45:00.080 Okay.

00:45:01.240 He's telling me I'm being very lenient, so I, I gotta stop talking to you, okay?

00:45:06.420 Okay, you sure I can stay on the phone with you just to make sure everything's okay?

00:45:09.940 No, he, he, he must know he got that all off the phone.

00:45:13.760 Zero, two, twenty, six, and zero, eight seconds.

00:45:17.520 Thank you.

00:45:18.180 Okay, bye.

00:45:20.580 Oh my God.

00:45:23.660 What?

00:45:24.120 Oh my God.

00:45:25.120 Right?

00:45:26.260 What did we just listen to?

00:45:29.480 That, it shows you, one, that some reporting was wrong in the beginning, because the reporting

00:45:34.920 rightly said that, that Paul Pelosi used the term friend to refer to this guy, but obviously

00:45:41.000 in the context here, he says, I don't know this person.

00:45:43.120 Oh, he wants me to say that he's a friend.

00:45:44.940 He says that he's a friend of ours.

00:45:46.240 And then, so, so Paul Pelosi, for it being two in the morning, handles this really incredibly

00:45:52.060 well, very cool under pressure.

00:45:54.100 And then this 911 dispatcher, okay, well, have a nice night.

00:45:58.060 No, no.

00:45:58.440 She's an idiot.

00:45:59.900 Wow.

00:46:00.480 She's an idiot.

00:46:01.380 I'm sorry, but she's an idiot.

00:46:03.020 That guy could not have been trying to telegraph.

00:46:05.040 Obviously, they're both listening.

00:46:06.940 The perpetrator, the assault, his assailant is there, and they've clearly got it on speaker.

00:46:12.080 And the 911 operator failed to put together the fact that the criminal is listening to

00:46:17.720 every word.

00:46:18.940 And Paul Pelosi is trying to play a dangerous game he's been forced to, where he's trying

00:46:23.160 not to piss off the guy next to him, but he's clearly trying to telegraph, I'm in trouble.

00:46:28.400 Get over here.

00:46:29.780 And she's like, and he says, my wife, Nancy Pelosi, hello, is she an idiot?

00:46:35.680 And then he says, are the Capitol police around?

00:46:38.240 No, this is San Francisco police.

00:46:39.900 Oh my God.

00:46:41.380 Oh my God.

00:46:42.780 The question from the beginning is, who is hiding something here?

00:46:46.300 Is it the Trump Republicans?

00:46:47.940 Is it Pelosi and the Democrats?

00:46:49.600 Well, now we have the answer.

00:46:50.640 It was the cops hiding everything because of sheer incompetence.

00:46:55.080 Yes, we're not done.

00:46:56.640 Can you stay over?

00:46:57.300 Can you stay to the top of the hour for a few more minutes on this?

00:46:59.760 For you, Megan, anything.

00:47:01.260 Thank you, my friend.

00:47:02.560 Stick around because we've got to squeeze in a quick break and there's much more to dissect.

00:47:05.800 Don't go away.

00:47:10.060 Michael Knowles is our guest today in an extraordinary moment as we finally get our hands on the 911

00:47:15.160 call.

00:47:15.700 Paul Pelosi, then husband of the sitting speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, made to authorities

00:47:21.600 after an intruder named David DePapp entered his home at 2 a.m.

00:47:25.380 back in the fall.

00:47:27.100 Nancy Pelosi was not at the home.

00:47:28.880 Paul Pelosi was sleeping in his bed, according to the authorities, at 2 a.m.

00:47:32.480 When this man entered his home, they found the means of entry were via a back door through

00:47:39.040 which he broke the glass.

00:47:40.100 There was a lot of speculation about what happened in this case because the information we were

00:47:45.460 getting from San Francisco PD and ultimately the FBI slash DOJ did not match up.

00:47:51.060 And people had a lot of questions about what this man was doing in the Paul Pelosi home

00:47:54.960 at that hour.

00:47:55.700 And the reports just sounded bizarre.

00:47:58.720 And now we're getting much more of the story.

00:48:01.240 I think Michael Knowles nailed it right before the break.

00:48:03.640 The questions about who was covering up and or potentially covering up and why have now

00:48:09.340 been answered.

00:48:10.160 The San Francisco police had a lot to cover this.

00:48:13.840 This dispatcher's behavior for the first two thirds of the call is an outrage.

00:48:19.000 She sounds like some kind of a moron.

00:48:20.920 Neither you nor I has ever been in law enforcement, and it was very clear to both of us, and I'm

00:48:27.800 sure to the listening audience right now, what Paul Pelosi was doing.

00:48:31.680 If only you are a sentient human who would pay some attention, which was literally her

00:48:36.920 job, we'll play it again.

00:48:40.560 Please, Tony, for two thousand twenty two.

00:48:44.100 Oh, I guess I guess I told him.

00:48:46.680 What is it?

00:48:48.280 This is San Francisco police.

00:48:49.980 Do you need help?

00:48:50.920 Oh, well, there's a gentleman here just waiting for my wife to come back.

00:48:58.060 We have to go to the seat.

00:49:00.880 He's just waiting for her to come back because she's not going to be here for a day, so I

00:49:04.260 guess we'll have to wait.

00:49:08.740 Okay.

00:49:09.260 Do you need police fire or medical for anything?

00:49:14.120 I don't think so.

00:49:15.700 I don't think so.

00:49:16.340 Is the capital police around?

00:49:28.840 No, this is San Francisco.

00:49:31.140 They usually protect my wife.

00:49:32.020 They're usually here at the house protecting my wife.

00:49:36.020 No, this is San Francisco police.

00:49:37.880 Friday, October 8, 2000, 22.

00:49:44.080 Okay.

00:49:44.520 Well, what do you think?

00:49:49.300 I think everything's good.

00:49:53.980 He thinks everything's good.

00:49:55.240 I've got a problem, but he thinks everything's good.

00:49:58.960 Okay.

00:49:59.800 Call us back if you need your mind.

00:50:02.300 No, no, no.

00:50:02.800 This gentleman just came out of the house and he wants to wait here for my wife to come home.

00:50:09.300 And so, anyway, he told me to put the phone down.

00:50:13.140 Do you know who the person is?

00:50:15.500 No, I don't know who he is.

00:50:16.840 He, uh, uh, he has this, he told me, he said, he told me not to, uh, he told me not to do anything.

00:50:23.440 What is your address, sir?

00:50:26.100 Uh, 26.

00:50:27.640 What is your name?

00:50:33.460 My name is Paul Pelosi.

00:50:39.120 Anyway, this gentleman says that, uh, he thinks everything he ought to, you know, he told me to put the phone down and just do what he said.

00:50:48.780 Okay.

00:50:49.680 Okay.

00:50:50.120 Who, what's the gentleman's name?

00:50:52.520 I don't know.

00:50:53.420 What's that?

00:50:54.300 My name's David.

00:50:55.400 The name is David.

00:50:58.000 Okay.

00:50:58.620 And who is David?

00:51:00.360 I don't know.

00:51:02.700 I'm a friend of theirs.

00:51:04.540 Yeah, I, I, um, he says he's a friend, but as I said, I've never.

00:51:08.360 But you don't know who he is?

00:51:10.560 No, ma'am.

00:51:14.580 Okay.

00:51:15.800 He's telling me I'm being very leading, so I, I gotta stop talking to you, okay?

00:51:20.960 Okay.

00:51:21.680 You sure I can stay on the phone with you just to make sure everything's okay?

00:51:25.080 No, he wants me to get the hell off the phone.

00:51:28.360 Zero, two, twenty, six.

00:51:29.640 Okay.

00:51:30.260 Okay.

00:51:31.900 Thank you.

00:51:32.720 Okay, bye.

00:51:33.180 Michael, the, the parts, she said, he says, there's a gentleman here waiting for my wife

00:51:41.320 to come back, Nancy Pelosi.

00:51:43.680 She won't be here for days.

00:51:45.420 He's waiting.

00:51:46.560 Okay.

00:51:46.800 Do you need police, fire, or medical for anything?

00:51:49.040 Are you an idiot, madam?

00:51:50.860 Okay.

00:51:51.260 So that's number one.

00:51:52.200 And then Paul Pelosi, um, I don't think so.

00:51:54.800 Clearly not.

00:51:55.940 And by the way, he kicks it off by saying, oh, I guess I called, I guess I called you

00:52:00.120 by mistake.

00:52:01.080 Right?

00:52:01.440 He's clearly not telling the assailant.

00:52:03.360 He's going to call SFPD or 9-1-1.

00:52:05.360 He's going to call to see when Nancy's coming back.

00:52:07.520 All right.

00:52:07.660 Capitol Hill police.

00:52:08.380 I'm going to get it for you.

00:52:10.100 Assailant.

00:52:10.660 This woman doesn't get it.

00:52:12.440 Um, so he says, you know, he's, he's going to wait.

00:52:15.440 Do you need us for anything?

00:52:16.360 Need police for anything?

00:52:17.200 He says, I don't think so.

00:52:18.700 Then he says, is Capitol police around?

00:52:21.400 Uh, they're usually here protecting my wife, who I've already told you is Nancy Pelosi,

00:52:25.580 speaker of the house.

00:52:26.440 Yet no alarm bells have gone on for you.

00:52:28.820 And she says nothing that she says, no, this is San Francisco police.

00:52:32.920 Oh, oh my God.

00:52:34.980 And then he says, I understand.

00:52:38.020 Um, and then he says to DePav, I don't know.

00:52:40.220 What do you think?

00:52:40.780 He's trying to say like, we're buds.

00:52:41.860 We're in it together.

00:52:42.460 I got you.

00:52:43.020 You want Nancy.

00:52:43.700 I'm going to find Nancy for you.

00:52:44.680 Wink, wink.

00:52:45.180 Right.

00:52:45.860 Uh, what do you think?

00:52:47.420 Uh, he thinks everything's good.

00:52:49.200 I've got a problem.

00:52:50.660 And even at that point, this moron says, okay, call us back.

00:52:55.440 If you change your mind.

00:52:56.780 Oh my God, Michael.

00:52:58.980 The one that got me the most was that second one.

00:53:02.280 It was the, okay, well, do you need anything?

00:53:05.300 Is there, is there Capitol police around?

00:53:07.820 No, this is San Francisco police.

00:53:09.340 Like you're, like you're calling your bank.

00:53:11.000 Like you're calling an airline.

00:53:12.140 Hey, oh no, that's a different department.

00:53:13.940 Call this number.

00:53:14.860 See you.

00:53:15.240 Bye.

00:53:15.680 He goes, no, no, I'm not.

00:53:16.560 I'm not ready to go.

00:53:17.700 Uh, okay.

00:53:18.640 Well, call us if you need us.

00:53:19.600 Call us if you need us.

00:53:20.600 The fact that this guy was able to keep his cool, not just out of fear of the assailant

00:53:25.960 who was in his home, but out of just pure rage at this incompetent woman.

00:53:30.160 I can't tell is the solution here to fund the police much more so that they can hire people

00:53:38.420 who can do the basic function of their job or are the libs right?

00:53:41.480 Should we just defund the police and start over?

00:53:43.580 Because this is just, just so absolutely shocking.

00:53:46.920 The initial reports were contradictory.

00:53:49.860 As you say, Megan, law enforcement was, was not agreeing with each other.

00:53:53.560 Then the video I think was inconclusive.

00:53:56.480 The video did not make a lot of sense.

00:53:58.300 It frankly raises more questions than answers.

00:54:01.440 This nine one one phone call is convincing and damning.

00:54:06.140 And I can see why the police did everything they could to prevent it from coming out.

00:54:10.220 Yeah, me too.

00:54:11.760 If they look ridiculous, they should be embarrassed about how they handled this, both in that dispatch

00:54:17.680 call.

00:54:17.940 And I understand it's a stressful job and you've got to figure out a lot, but please.

00:54:22.160 And anybody, I mean, my nine year old would have had it well before this dispatcher got

00:54:26.280 it.

00:54:26.620 And then I was going to say initially, well, maybe that excuses the cops in showing up at

00:54:31.320 Pelosi's house and the way they handled it.

00:54:32.780 But I don't think so, because even this moron who took the call got it by the end and understood

00:54:38.540 he's not a friend, he's saying that.

00:54:41.800 But I have a problem and I don't know him.

00:54:44.520 Oh, and by the way, I've already told you, my wife is Nancy Pelosi.

00:54:48.040 And so I'd love to know now what was the communication between her and the police officers

00:54:53.300 she dispatched?

00:54:54.440 Did she make them perfectly clear, as she clearly should have, who they were dealing with?

00:54:59.180 And the fact that this was an intruder situation where the guy was scared and trying not to,

00:55:05.820 you know, clearly communicating that he was in distress.

00:55:08.540 Without saying those exact words in any event, to me, any cop would have shown up there guns

00:55:13.720 drawn and ready for anything.

00:55:15.660 But these cops left this guy.

00:55:17.420 They Paul Pelosi wasn't hurt.

00:55:19.100 He wasn't hurt when they when that door was opened.

00:55:21.460 And who opened the door remains unclear.

00:55:24.240 The question I have now is if this is the treatment that Paul Pelosi gets from the San

00:55:30.360 Francisco police, what do the regular people get?

00:55:33.220 If the dispatchers can't hear this man, all but shouting into the phone, come over here

00:55:37.960 right now.

00:55:38.780 A man is trying to kill me and my wife, Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, get over here

00:55:42.180 right now.

00:55:42.560 He's all but doing that.

00:55:44.140 And if the dispatcher can't can't understand that.

00:55:46.980 What about an abused wife who is calling the cops and trying to be somewhat surreptitious

00:55:52.500 and and implying that she's in danger rather than explicitly stating it?

00:55:57.700 What what about a person who's a regular person facing a regular burglary?

00:56:01.860 What are are are any of these people getting the first response services that that they're

00:56:06.880 paying for and that they deserve?

00:56:09.240 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:56:10.740 I have no idea, but I feel like they need to answer for this behavior because they caused

00:56:15.720 what was a crime that happened to have been caught in part in on camera to become this

00:56:22.960 out of control story where people kept asking question after question of a question and keep

00:56:27.760 kept getting stonewalled.

00:56:29.200 And look, if you just pull out and release parts of what Paul Pelosi said, you could make

00:56:34.140 him look bad.

00:56:35.060 You could.

00:56:36.220 And that is how I feel.

00:56:37.300 This was initially released by law enforcement without revealing their own sin in the progress

00:56:43.760 and that utter befuddlement for some reason of this 9-1-1 dispatcher who's literally in

00:56:49.900 the job of trying to discern levels of emergency that call.

00:56:53.320 You don't you don't accidentally call her.

00:56:56.380 Yes, he said I called by mistake.

00:56:57.980 He said right up front, there's a gentleman here trying to get my wife, Nancy Pelosi.

00:57:01.780 Hello.

00:57:02.420 I'm wondering whether this woman even knew who Nancy Pelosi was.

00:57:04.940 There's no light bulb, Michael.

00:57:07.860 She doesn't say like Nancy Pelosi, speaker of that.

00:57:10.340 Is it possible this woman didn't know?

00:57:12.680 I think it's likely that this woman didn't know, given her tone in the phone call.

00:57:16.820 But you've hit on a point that's so important here, Megan, which is earlier earlier you mentioned

00:57:22.040 that there were all these conspiracy theories floating around initially from the left.

00:57:26.000 You had the conspiracy theory that this was some kind of Trump conservative Republican

00:57:30.180 agent or something who had his wits about him.

00:57:33.320 Then you had all of these conspiracy theories from the right that Paul Pelosi was having

00:57:37.420 some drunken orgy or something, that this guy DePape was his lover or something like

00:57:41.300 that.

00:57:41.860 But where did those conspiracy theories come from?

00:57:45.880 They came from the leaked words of the transcript, the leaked reports about this cop interaction

00:57:53.660 that made it seem as though this guy was a friend of Paul Pelosi, that Paul Pelosi was not

00:57:59.820 in distress at all. Who leaked it? It wasn't the Republicans leaking it. Republicans don't have

00:58:04.880 any power in San Francisco. I don't even think it was the Democrat politicians leaking it.

00:58:09.480 It was the cops. The cops were the ones who had the transcript, who had the dispatch call,

00:58:13.340 who had the body cam footage. And they're the ones who leaked it to make it look in the reports

00:58:18.020 as though this were some bizarre situation that the conspiracy theorists ran with.

00:58:23.720 Hmm. I'm just looking back on some of the initial reporting on this. Uh, this is via Politico

00:58:29.620 clearly having spoken with law enforcement from October 31st, 2022 saying officers arrived at the

00:58:37.280 house, knocked on the front door, were let inside by an unknown person. They discovered DePape and

00:58:45.080 Pelosi struggling for a hammer. Uh, and after they instructed him to drop the weapon, DePape took the

00:58:51.640 hammer and violently attacked. Not exactly, sirs, not exactly. Uh, they discovered them struggling

00:58:56.900 for a hammer. They opened the door calmly and there was absolutely time for the police to intervene.

00:59:01.440 As soon as they saw the hammer, understanding what they had been told by the 9-1-1 dispatcher,

00:59:05.560 they understood what they had on their hands. Uh, so all of this to me, I mean, forgive the comparison,

00:59:11.260 but it has an echo of Uvalde where something horrific happened. The police were the first to sort of

00:59:18.080 try to create the public narrative and their number one concern was their own asses. And this,

00:59:23.760 this has a similar strain to it. Of course, uh, uh, the, uh, the libs can almost be forgiven for

00:59:30.860 thinking this was a politically motivated attack because the Pelosi's are the Pelosi's the

00:59:36.100 conservatives. I think certainly can be forgiven the ones who indulged in some of the more eccentric

00:59:40.580 theories because according to the reporting, nothing added up. And it did seem like Paul Pelosi knew

00:59:46.420 this guy and there were, uh, all of the leaked aspects of this episode seemed to suggest that

00:59:53.240 this wasn't just a random guy breaking in to kill them. And, uh, I think the only people who cannot

00:59:58.840 be excused here are the people in the San Francisco police department hierarchy and that dispatcher,

01:00:05.520 you know, and the people who were dealing with this at the time who completely blew it. And even if

01:00:10.140 you're going to say, okay, you totally blew it. Well, uh, you were in the heat of battle or what

01:00:14.360 about the people who covered it up? Now we have the surveillance video of the intruder breaking

01:00:20.960 into the house. This is the first time we've seen that. Uh, let's watch it. I'll try to narrate it for

01:00:25.820 our, our listening audience. I can't see much either. It's black and white. Uh, yeah, he's banging,

01:00:31.800 which with what appears to be a hammer or some sort of instrument on the back, probably window.

01:00:36.340 Cause we know that that was broken. He's going after it time and time again, really slamming it.

01:00:41.980 My God. And he's really, it almost looks like he has some, like an ax, um, slamming down on what

01:00:49.420 I think is the window of the back door over and over. Oh, and now the full shoulder knocking the

01:00:57.320 door. Now the foot, the left foot kicking the door, he's halfway in a leg is still out and he goes all

01:01:03.780 the way in. So now we have the story. That's how he entered. He attacked Paul Pelosi in the middle

01:01:08.080 of the night. A desperate Paul Pelosi called police. And as you point out, the domestic violence victim

01:01:12.720 is a good analogy where you don't call up and say necessarily, if you haven't been hurt yet,

01:01:17.580 he's going to attack me. You call up and say, Oh, I can't find my child. My child left the house

01:01:22.860 and there's an emergency that I need some, you know, this has been done by people in danger

01:01:26.700 since the beginning of time. And they had a completely moronic 911 operator who took way too

01:01:32.080 long to get it further, increasing the stakes for Paul Pelosi. I don't know what she said to the

01:01:36.860 police officers on call, but I'd love to hear how she relayed the emergency. They got there,

01:01:41.800 took too long to realize that he was in grave danger. And that hammer coming down on Paul Pelosi's

01:01:46.620 skull, in my view, could have been prevented. Before I let you go, Michael, I've got to ask you

01:01:51.700 about another. And it's not a good day for police in the news. There is a terrible case coming out of

01:01:58.220 Memphis, Tennessee, and it's starting to get more and more attention. Tyree Nichols was a man who was

01:02:05.280 pulled over in a traffic stop that wound up becoming fatal. He was beaten to death by five

01:02:12.580 cops. Tyree was black. The five officers were black as well. This isn't necessarily a racial

01:02:19.820 thing, though. Those questions will be asked notwithstanding, even when we have black police

01:02:25.000 officers that gets injected by people with agendas. And the police chief has now fired all five of the

01:02:31.160 men. They've been charged with murder, second-degree murder, which the family of the decedent is saying

01:02:37.780 they're okay with. They had one at first degree, but they said there have been multiple charges against

01:02:41.680 them, so they're okay with second. And now the police chief in Memphis is saying this videotape of

01:02:48.920 the incident is going to come out tonight and that the public needs to prepare themselves that this is

01:02:55.940 going to be worse than Rodney King. That's a direct quote that Tyree was not driving recklessly,

01:03:00.980 as the police officers claimed. And it looks like he hadn't done anything wrong. And it sounds like

01:03:07.720 we're about to get something that's going to shock the conscience of Americans at a time when police have

01:03:14.120 already been, you know, under fire, defunded, refunded, you know, called racists, all cops are bad,

01:03:22.660 all cops are bastards, whatever that, you know, that you've got public officials and their kids

01:03:26.440 putting this on cars and so on. I feel like the nation's bracing now for something terrible as the

01:03:32.740 family urges, the mother of the decedent is urging people. She said, if you want to go out and protest

01:03:39.140 when you see this video and it's going to be terrible, you do that. Do not burn things. Do not

01:03:43.100 loot things. Do not do any of that in my son's name. He would not have wanted that as a young child at

01:03:50.180 home. This is going to be, this is going to be a rough couple of days for the country. What do

01:03:56.460 you think? I'm going to try to reserve judgment as best as one can. Obviously the reports are out

01:04:01.920 there now. People are already forming their opinions. Taking a cue from the Paul Pelosi

01:04:06.320 episode, I am going to try to reserve all of the judgment here until we see the video tonight.

01:04:12.300 It is oddly enough, a saving grace that these cops were black because if, if this, if the cops were

01:04:20.740 white, if even one of the cops were white, this would be painted as a racial incident. It would

01:04:25.160 become far more combustible as a political situation than it is now. That's a sad fact, but it is a fact

01:04:32.100 of our political culture and just a, just a terrible tragedy. The question is, will this remain a

01:04:38.000 local tragedy and a low, essentially a local news story, uh, albeit a very sad one, or will this be

01:04:45.760 blown up into, as you referenced a Rodney King situation or any of the national police stories?

01:04:52.280 The fact that all of the national police stories have had to do with race in recent memory, I think

01:04:57.820 suggests this may remain a tragic, very sad local news story. And then, then the question for the police,

01:05:04.820 uh, there will, will, uh, remain local to the, the constituents, to the people of Memphis.

01:05:11.720 And, uh, uh, but, but you're, you're seeing these problems crop up. As you mentioned, Megan,

01:05:16.600 Texas, California, there are questions about police all over the country.

01:05:21.260 There's no excusing. What we understand here was just a disgusting case of police brutality,

01:05:26.500 but people do need to remember that poll after poll show that communities, especially minority

01:05:34.420 dominated communities want more police, not less. They want more cops on the ground, protecting them

01:05:39.400 from the bad guys. And when the police turn out to be the bad guys, it's particularly disgusting

01:05:45.600 given their role and the need of, of all communities to be able to trust them and to be able to trust

01:05:51.600 when they pull over. And yes, especially if you're a person of color that you will not be unnecessarily

01:05:56.440 harassed or hurt or killed that that's just a fundamental principle of society. But, but we

01:06:04.900 must remember that the vast, vast majority of police officers in this country are honorable and

01:06:08.960 are trying to serve and protect the community to the best of their abilities and are not out to hunt

01:06:14.180 as LeBron James said, uh, black men. And just a couple of stats. This was not a police shooting.

01:06:20.000 This was a, this man was beaten to death. Um, so these statistics I'm about to give you do not,

01:06:26.160 do not encompass the full scope of, of deaths at the, at the hands of police, but the Washington

01:06:33.040 post for the past several years has been keeping a log of every person shot and killed by an on duty

01:06:38.960 police officer. Um, in, in particular has been looking at unarmed white and black men shot and killed

01:06:46.220 by police officers. And this, these are the numbers so far in 2023, zero 2022, seven, 2021,

01:06:56.140 10, the police make 10 million arrests a year. All right. And the number of stops is far beyond that

01:07:01.760 10 million. And you got, there's another seven, seven last year. Go ahead. The other fact here is

01:07:07.760 no matter what is in the video tonight, no matter what people take away and how, however the narrative

01:07:12.340 goes, the simple fact is Memphis will be a much worse and more dangerous place. If this incident

01:07:19.540 leads to fewer cops being on the streets, Memphis has a big crime problem to begin with. And so

01:07:24.920 people are going to have a reaction. And this is really the meaning of scandal. Scandal is when,

01:07:31.520 when the good guys turn out to do very bad things. Scandal is when people lead other people astray. And so

01:07:37.480 this scandal could have wide ranging effects. And if it is taken as a justification to reduce the

01:07:43.080 police in, in Memphis or any other crime ridden city, then you could see many, many other crimes.

01:07:49.020 You could see many other deaths coming as a result of this scandal. Yes. We saw that after George Floyd.

01:07:55.560 And yet if, if you are the chief of police in Memphis, Tennessee, I mean, if I were getting to

01:08:01.320 interview her, I think it's a her. Um, my first question would be, is this a systemic problem?

01:08:07.480 Like what, what would make five officers, not one, not one bad apple, not one, you know,

01:08:14.740 disturbed person like Derek Chauvin, uh, go after five, you have five officers who participated

01:08:21.800 knowing that there's body cams not to mention and police dash cams to beat a man to death and on our

01:08:27.760 man, according to the report. So why, what, what would make them do that? What is it? It's fair

01:08:34.280 question. What is, is there something in the culture of the police department? Is there something

01:08:38.940 in the power trip or structure that some of your officers may have been on that, that led to that?

01:08:44.640 Like, those are all fair questions that people, forgive me for phrasing it this way, but who are

01:08:49.900 more on our side, who are more, you know, quick to defend the police and not quick to just need

01:08:54.500 jerk, condemn them without real evidence should be interested in asking too, right? This shouldn't

01:09:00.440 just immediately, just because Ben Crump of course is on the scene, uh, it shouldn't immediately boil

01:09:05.960 down to sides. There should be a true exploration of how this can happen.

01:09:09.900 Of course. Uh, it's typical for conservatives to wear the back, the blue shirts. And, and we,

01:09:16.060 we obviously are much, much, uh, more vociferous defenders of the police because the, the civil

01:09:22.760 authority is a good thing and we need law and we need order. And these are all, uh, necessary to a

01:09:27.660 flourishing and just and virtuous society. Uh, that doesn't mean that we don't recognize that

01:09:33.360 this is a fallen world and bad things happen and we can make improvements. And sometimes

01:09:36.820 policies have unintended consequences and sometimes there are bad people that need to be dealt with.

01:09:41.140 Of course not. And, and to, if, if people are, are so reductive in their politics that they just,

01:09:46.740 uh, make every issue merely partisan and knee jerk, well, then, then we're not going to get very

01:09:52.800 far in politics at all. We got to figure out what led to this

01:09:57.660 what, why, why would these five officers do this? What, what takes over what, you know, I,

01:10:04.840 I too am relieved that I don't think this is going to be made all about race, uh, given the race of

01:10:10.940 the officers, but there's something that drove them to do this. And we better figure out what it was.

01:10:15.280 And the people of Memphis should, should follow the recommendation of, of Tyree's mom. Do,

01:10:21.820 do not riot. Do not hurt people or property in her son's name. That's not the way forward.

01:10:28.320 Michael Knowles. What a great day to have you. Thank you so much. I'm so grateful that you were

01:10:32.500 here with your always spot on analysis. Megan, always great to be with you. Thank you for having

01:10:36.960 me. All right. To be continued. And coming up, we have former CIA agent. Mike Baker is here looking

01:10:42.200 forward to talking to him. My old pal from Fox news. Uh, he's been doing a lot. He's been watching

01:10:46.280 his story and we will have his take next. My next guest spent 15 years as a covert CIA agent

01:10:55.760 specializing in counter terror and counter narcotic operations. He now runs his own company,

01:11:01.300 Portman square group, and is the author of a new book company rules or everything I know about

01:11:07.300 business. I learned from the CIA. I like that. Mike Baker joins me now. Hi, Mike. How you doing?

01:11:12.640 I'm doing good, Megan. It's good to see you. It's been a while.

01:11:14.940 Yeah. Good to see you again, too. Good for you for getting out there with your thoughts in the book

01:11:19.480 and on Rogan all the time, which is cool. I think you might be his favorite guest.

01:11:23.440 Well, that's very kind of you to say. He's a great guy. Uh, can't say enough good things about him.

01:11:27.220 Um, and, uh, and thank you for mentioning the book. It's an audio book, so I'll put people's

01:11:31.960 minds at ease. Cause I don't, I don't really know enough big words to write a whole book. Um,

01:11:36.120 but this is, uh, hopefully an easy listen for people and I narrate it myself. So it's,

01:11:41.400 it's really very soothing. I, it's very soothing. I love audio books. It's almost the only way I

01:11:47.200 consume books these days. It's just so easy. You can do it in your downtime and, you know,

01:11:51.620 you're sort of drifting off to sleep and then you can go back for what you missed,

01:11:54.360 uh, really enjoying that. So yes, I will dig in. Um, let me ask you as a guy who, you know,

01:11:59.680 had spent 15 years in the CIA trying to go after bad guys and help people color inside the lines,

01:12:04.540 what you make of this Paul Pelosi news that nine one one call Mike. Yeah. Yeah. That I,

01:12:11.460 I was listening to you talking with Michael Knowles earlier and I think you, you, you raised a really

01:12:16.860 important point, which is that if you, if you, if you think like we would, right. If, if you're

01:12:23.560 somebody who follows politics, if you're somebody who follows the news, right. Because that's part of

01:12:28.980 your, your makeup, then yes, the nine one one operator, uh, sounds, uh, completely ignorant

01:12:36.040 and completely, you know, incompetent. But if you then put yourself in the place of a nine one one

01:12:43.080 operator, who's just doing a job, right. And going home and not watching news and not caring about news

01:12:48.720 because maybe they're a single parent, whatever it is. So I think when you said, maybe the operator

01:12:53.700 just had no idea who Pelosi is. And then certainly when he mentioned the Capitol police,

01:12:58.520 that wouldn't ring any bells. I think it, it puts it into some context that is maybe

01:13:04.180 a little bit easier to understand. I don't, I mean, so I'm being too hard by calling her a moron

01:13:10.500 because I'm like, do you need police? He's like, he's telling her in every way he can. Yes, I need

01:13:17.160 police. Like she just wasn't getting it, Mike. Well, but the very, and so I, you know, I, I refrain,

01:13:24.140 I hold judgment on whether she's a moron or not. Um, but I, you know, I, I have seen, uh, a real

01:13:32.000 variety of abilities when we're talking about law enforcement and we're talking about the Intel

01:13:36.680 community and we're talking about government and we're talking about politics. You, they're all

01:13:40.900 over the map when it comes to their abilities, uh, their, their, their training. Um, and that's part

01:13:46.880 of the problem, which is, you know, what we always talk about when we talk about law enforcement,

01:13:50.460 how can they do their job better? You know what? You need more and consistent and thorough

01:13:54.840 training. And that includes somebody like a nine one one operator who's really at the,

01:13:58.880 at the pointy edge of the spear when it comes to conflicts. When this guy, he says, he's looking

01:14:05.880 for my wife, Nancy Pelosi. He's waiting. I told him she won't be home for days, but he wants to wait.

01:14:12.300 And then says his capital, he's police around. They're usually here protecting my wife. No,

01:14:17.640 this is San Francisco police. Uh, then he says to the assailant, I don't know. What do you think?

01:14:21.640 What do you think? And says, uh, he thinks everything's good. I've got a problem. And

01:14:26.760 she responds, okay, call us back. If you change your mind, come on. It's indefensible.

01:14:31.600 No, I, you can't, I mean, I, I, I don't disagree with the fact that it, it sounds really bad.

01:14:37.020 I'm just saying that I I'm not surprised sometimes when I see a level of incompetency because it's based

01:14:42.360 on a lack of knowledge or training. And I think that's what we're looking at here,

01:14:45.840 but you can imagine Pelosi and I think Michael Knowles mentioned it and says he kept this

01:14:50.100 composure and not just saying, what the hell, what do I have to say to you to get you to respond

01:14:56.000 properly? And, you know, and then, you know, then you have to wonder what was the response? What,

01:15:01.400 what was advised to those responding officers who showed up on the doorstep, right? What was their

01:15:07.400 brief before they showed up, uh, based on that call and based on the 911 operators interpretation of

01:15:13.500 that call, right? So I'm just going to guess, I am going to guess that your average cop who opens

01:15:18.760 the door and they should have known that it was Paul and Nancy Pelosi's house. If they didn't, there

01:15:22.740 was another system failure. And you can see the speaker of the house, her husband standing there

01:15:27.660 with, with an assailant who's holding a hammer. There's, it's not a good time for chit chat. It's

01:15:32.420 not, it's not the time. No. And, and, and they said, you know, and look, they, they have to be able

01:15:37.000 to assess the situation. I don't, again, I don't want to sound like I'm apologizing for every step

01:15:41.740 because there was clearly a sort of a cascading effect here of, of mistakes of, of errors. Right.

01:15:46.940 And it actually started with the U S Capitol police, uh, surveillance feed, right. That is in

01:15:52.640 Washington, DC, because they do have a surveillance feed on the Pelosi home. Uh, but it's one of many

01:15:59.340 monitors within the complex there, uh, that they have to watch. And so until those police cars

01:16:06.980 showed up with the lights flashing and it suddenly catches your attention because you're looking at

01:16:10.540 banks of dozens of other monitors. So that's the first problem. Why then it kind of keeps going

01:16:14.640 from there. Uh, but with the police showing up, you know, you can, you can tick off in a handful of

01:16:20.300 seconds, the moment from the time that they spotted the hammer, right. To the time they said,

01:16:24.540 drop the hammer to the actual attack. And there's a, there's a moment of assessment. They can't,

01:16:29.760 they're not just going to knock the door down and charge at Paul Pelosi and this individual,

01:16:33.660 right. That's, you know, that's a movie thing. Uh, so they have to, they have to be able to do a

01:16:38.420 spot assessment very quickly. Unfortunately, you know, the, the perp was able to grab the hammer in

01:16:43.920 that short, short period of time. Again, it doesn't excuse some of the other mistakes that took place,

01:16:48.600 but I am saying that when the police rock up on it, on a, on a situation,

01:16:52.220 it's a lot more complex than sometimes TV and film make it out to be.

01:16:57.420 No, I appreciate that. And what do I, I've never been a cop. I don't, what do I know? I've practiced

01:17:02.060 law and I've been a journalist. And so it's easy for me to, you know, pass judgment from my cheap

01:17:06.000 seat over here. It's just to me and my late person's eyes, it looks rather shocking knowing

01:17:10.360 what they knew. The fact that like that attack did not have to happen. Can we just look at it one

01:17:15.120 more time? I just want to see that the, the, the video of the cops showing up at the door,

01:17:18.560 to see, cause to me, it seemed like an eternity to when they, the amount of time that they had

01:17:23.820 to get that hammer out of the guy's hand. How are you doing? What's going on, man?

01:17:28.540 Everything's good.

01:17:31.340 Hi. Drop the hammer.

01:17:33.440 Um, nope.

01:17:34.400 Hey, hey, hey, hey.

01:17:35.780 What is going on right now?

01:17:36.720 I'm not getting an answer on problem.

01:17:38.000 Oh, oh, oh shit.

01:17:41.020 There you go. It's off.

01:17:43.460 You know, Mike, I may be reading into it. The officer from his voice sounds kind of young.

01:17:47.940 He kind of tells he's not an older guy. And that could mean not that much experience. I don't know,

01:17:53.020 but yeah. Yeah. Again, you've got, you've got a problem with consistency of training, you know,

01:17:58.180 throughout the law enforcement across the country. Right. And, and they deserve more in terms of

01:18:03.220 resource. I'm, I've never been one to say, you know, pull back funds from the police because look,

01:18:07.160 if you want better police, you got to train them better. Right. That's just the reality of it. You

01:18:11.020 have to be consistent in that training. But I would, I would say the, the bigger mistakes here,

01:18:16.140 and they, they've done a hot wash on this thing. Um, and, and they do what's called a gap analysis

01:18:20.900 in terms of the security, uh, that, that takes place here. And the, the real critical mistakes

01:18:27.060 were, you know, the perimeter security that existed around Pelosi's home was, was clearly,

01:18:31.740 um, inadequate. Um, the, uh, the coverage of surveillance handled by the U S Capitol police

01:18:39.000 that obviously failed, uh, because they, they could have identified this problem if they'd been

01:18:44.540 monitoring properly the home in real time. And then that line of communication, right. The,

01:18:50.700 between the 911 operator, the Capitol police, uh, the, the, uh, the, the local police that were

01:18:55.920 responding, there was a lack of understanding as to what they were going to rock up on when they

01:19:01.160 knocked on that door. So those are the, those are the, the, the, the real points of, of, uh,

01:19:07.180 problem here when you're evaluating something like this. Yeah. That this is, they should have gone in

01:19:12.200 there knowing this is a five alarm fire. Like we have a deadly situation on our hands and you were

01:19:17.160 not getting that feeling from that videotape. And certainly not from the 911 call took her,

01:19:22.100 took her far too long. Right. Again, because of this failure of communication from the start of this,

01:19:26.260 this whole effort. Let's, uh, let's shift gears because 15 years in the CIA and I, it's been back

01:19:34.200 in the news lately. Um, the subject of the CIA and what, if any connection they had to the most

01:19:39.360 famous or second, most famous presidential assassination of all time. And that was that of

01:19:43.720 JFK. Um, we were told back in 17 that they were going to release all the files. The CIA has files

01:19:49.220 and they were going to see them all. And then Trump postponed it. And, uh, because the FBI went to

01:19:53.880 him and said, don't do it. And presumably CIA too. And then, uh, Biden did the same though. Some were

01:20:00.000 released in December though, not all. So we still don't have all supposedly by June, we're going to

01:20:05.520 have all, but more and more, we're hearing speculation in the news that the CIA had a role

01:20:11.160 in it. Maybe not coordination with Leah Harvey Oswald, but perhaps looking the other way,

01:20:16.940 failing to do its duty, perhaps intentionally failing to do its duty. What do you make of

01:20:21.940 these, the speculation and the growing fervor behind that theory? Yeah. Um, well, first of all,

01:20:29.680 I understand why it's, it's such a powerful, uh, conspiracy that just won't, it will never go

01:20:36.300 away. Right. It's just, you know, even, even if they released everything they have, there'll still

01:20:40.580 be folks out there saying, no, that's not how it happened. It happened this way because nobody wants

01:20:46.160 to believe, right. That something that impactful, that emotional could have been done by one individual,

01:20:53.420 you know, much less, you know, somebody of, of, of Lee Harvey Oswald's caliber. And so I think that's,

01:21:00.400 that's helped to, to create this, uh, that just keeps building over the years is this idea that

01:21:07.300 there were others involved releasing the documents. Look, I'll be honest with you. I think unless,

01:21:12.380 unless what they're doing is, is waiting till every last possible person who was alive at the time,

01:21:17.500 um, is dead now. I don't know why they're, they're holding onto anything at this stage, unless,

01:21:23.020 and typically the only reason that you would do that is because it would reveal sources and methods

01:21:27.620 or would reveal sensitive sources. And if that's the case, then yeah, fine. You, you maintain the

01:21:34.440 classification, but yeah, I, I, I would, I would say never say never, but I'm not one who, who has

01:21:41.840 fallen down into this thing of, of look, I think the CIA and other governments, people are going to

01:21:46.060 say that. Of course, that's what I would say, but I, I, I haven't seen enough yet to say I'm connecting

01:21:52.380 all of these dots and putting the CIA in there. So this head of this big cabal that wanted Kennedy

01:21:57.480 dead. I mean, uh, RFK jr. Was on the show and definitely believes that it, I think he put the,

01:22:04.540 put it, the military industrial complex was behind his dad's assassination and that of JFK as well.

01:22:09.880 It's that's his belief based on all of his research. And it's been considerable given who he is. Um,

01:22:15.580 and then Tucker Carlson made news the other night with this news. I mean, this is a one source

01:22:22.160 unnamed and the guy didn't put, you know, a fine point on it. Exactly. There's some wiggle room in

01:22:27.240 the soundbite that Tucker's about to, yeah, a lot of wiggle room, but take a listen to what he

01:22:31.720 reported the other night. We spoke to someone who had access to these still hidden CIA documents.

01:22:38.060 Person was deeply familiar with what they contain. We asked this person directly,

01:22:42.740 did the CIA have a hand in the murder of John F. Kennedy, an American president?

01:22:47.800 And here's the reply we received verbatim quote. The answer is yes. I believe they were involved.

01:22:54.740 It's a whole different country from what we thought it was. It's all fake.

01:23:00.120 It's hard to imagine a more jarring response than that. Again, this is not a quote conspiracy

01:23:04.660 theorist that we spoke to not even close. This is someone with direct knowledge of the information

01:23:10.800 that once again is being withheld from the American public. And the answer we received

01:23:15.680 was unequivocal. Yes, the CIA was involved in the assassination of the president.

01:23:21.460 It was a part of it was unequivocal. The answer is yes. But then according to Tucker,

01:23:25.920 the answer went, I believe, I believe they were involved. So a lot of people believe that.

01:23:32.040 And you've carved out the most important part of that sentence, along with that last bit, which,

01:23:38.700 excuse me, but does sound like a conspiracy theorist, where the country is not what we

01:23:43.020 thought it was. And I think, okay, if you just identify yourself, if you've got access like this,

01:23:51.160 and this is what you believe, then yeah, you've got an obligation to come right out and tell us that

01:23:58.480 the country is not what we thought it was fine. Or if you've seen the document, leak the document,

01:24:02.480 leak it. Yeah, do it. I mean, if that's the case, and you know, let people decide for themselves,

01:24:06.980 then fine. But I just haven't, I haven't seen that. Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was on

01:24:12.520 the agency's radar, right? Lee Harvey Oswald lived over in Russia, right? He married a Russian woman,

01:24:18.260 he came back, he was, he was, he was, he was not just fascinated by, he was impassioned by

01:24:24.300 the Cuban revolution in Castro. He was desperate to show his importance to the Soviets and Castro.

01:24:32.000 He had disappointing existence over in the Soviet Union, where he ended up working for a radio,

01:24:36.600 you know, factory, because they kind of realized, okay, you're not really important to us. They

01:24:42.160 shoved him over there and just kind of gave him a place to sit. He comes back, he goes down to Mexico,

01:24:47.700 makes contact with the Soviet embassy there. He's, again, that puts him on the radar,

01:24:53.060 because it's the Cold War. And you better hope that, you know, we're monitoring and listening to

01:24:58.220 what the Soviets are doing. And so they're in contact with Lee Harvey Oswald. So yes, he's on

01:25:05.060 the radar. There's no doubt about it. But Lee Harvey Oswald, when people say, well, what was his

01:25:09.400 motivation? Well, in part, if you want to go this route, or fine, go the conspiracy route. But if

01:25:14.100 you're going, you know, the route of, you know, was Lee Harvey Oswald the shooter, then he was,

01:25:19.040 you know, he was out to make a statement. And that, you know, he was fascinated with the and

01:25:24.480 like I said, impassioned with the whole revolution. And he was out to make a name for himself as far as

01:25:29.300 Castro and the Soviets were concerned.

01:25:31.380 It doesn't seem like if the CIA had some smoking gun document that showed they had a hand in this,

01:25:37.960 they would fork it over ever. I'm sure they those documents would have been destroyed. And we're not

01:25:43.400 going to get the big reveal in June where they're like, we did it right. So it's like,

01:25:46.840 expectations should be tempered. They are already withholding thousands of documents,

01:25:51.580 according to the reports under these sources and methods objection. So I mean, I we're never

01:25:57.500 going to know, are we we're never going to know? No. Well, we may we may have all the facts laid on

01:26:03.540 the table at some point, but it doesn't mean that we still won't have the conspiracy theories.

01:26:08.140 And and that's just that's the way things things work. But I do think the interesting thing that I

01:26:14.940 one of the things I took away from all my time behind the curtain there for seeing how

01:26:19.040 government works and the intel community works is, you know, is that

01:26:23.240 I and I firmly believe this people can't keep their yap shut for, you know, an inordinate amount

01:26:30.160 of time. So if there was some massive secret and the agency had been behind it, I'm pretty sure we

01:26:35.600 would have heard about it because the honest to God's truth is, you know, they Washington can't keep

01:26:41.380 a secret and there would have been enough people that would have had eyes on that to, you know,

01:26:48.060 at some point come forward. So, again, never say never. I always kind of cover that because I've

01:26:53.000 I've I've looked at things. It wasn't we did two seasons so far with Discovery of a show called

01:26:58.740 Black Files Declassified. Yeah. And and we look at a lot of interesting, very interesting topics,

01:27:05.940 including some conspiracy theories. And so never say never. But I'm not there yet.

01:27:13.680 But you're you're at you're at. I doubt it. OK, so that's for the record. So let me ask you,

01:27:18.600 because there's been so much coverage lately, especially of the FBI and whether it's become

01:27:22.520 a political operation and whether whether it needs to be sort of taken down to the studs and rebuilt

01:27:27.160 because it's been politicized by people from within, from leadership and so on.

01:27:32.180 And having been 15 years at the the brother organization, the sister organization,

01:27:37.020 what do you make of those claims? And do you think the CIA may suffer from similar problems?

01:27:44.340 Yeah, that's a really interesting and an important question. I think to start with,

01:27:50.960 you never want a politicized intelligence organization or law enforcement. And you

01:27:56.720 know, I've spent so much of my time overseas in difficult or challenging environments where every

01:28:04.440 time there's a change in the leadership, there's a wholesale change in the intel community. And

01:28:09.100 and, you know, they just bring in their own people and it's highly politicized. And we never,

01:28:14.300 ever want that. So it's an important question to always ask. It's an important question for

01:28:19.460 hopefully functioning, curious politicians who are responsible for oversight on the various

01:28:26.680 committees to be asking constantly. And it's important for the public to be keeping that front

01:28:31.860 of mind. Now, I think over the past few years, yes, we've had FBI senior personnel. I'm not talking

01:28:40.280 about street level operators at both, you know, the agency or the FBI, but senior level personnel

01:28:45.180 who became a little too enamored of contact with the White House. And you did, you know, become

01:28:52.860 more political than is desired. They should be. Don't you think Comey got drunk on his own power?

01:29:00.360 He has this tweeting out photos of him under the Klieg lights waiting for George Stephanopoulos to

01:29:04.200 interview him. My God. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think you could argue Comey. Look, John Brennan had,

01:29:10.720 you know, over at the agency had a very good relationship with Obama. I think he also found

01:29:17.360 that very enticing. So all I'm saying is there, you want that, you want that close contact with

01:29:27.100 the administration, right? Because that's, that's important in terms of the flow of information and

01:29:32.420 communication. But there's got to be a firewall in terms of the politics of it all. And we, and again,

01:29:38.100 to repeat myself, you never want a politicized Intel or law enforcement federal organization.

01:29:44.940 It's true with respect to the intelligence agencies and the military, right? We want the

01:29:48.920 same thing for our generals who get a little too cozy and, you know, have their eye on power instead

01:29:53.760 of on their troops and mission focus and all that. All right. And we only have a couple of minutes left.

01:29:57.360 So I've got, I want to ask you some fun things. What are some of the funnest tools you've ever used

01:30:01.820 in the CIA? What's give us something behind the scenes, some covert thing you got to do or use or

01:30:06.440 something that would excite people at a cocktail party? I'll tell you, I'll tell you what excited

01:30:11.960 an asset the most once, right? I can't talk about a variety of things. And obviously I'm not going to,

01:30:16.820 I can't talk about tech here really, but I will tell you in an, in an operational meeting one time

01:30:20.680 in the middle of some, it was a, it was, I don't even, I don't even know what's after a fifth world

01:30:25.180 country. But, uh, we finished the meeting and I was, I, you know, he had handed me a couple of

01:30:31.640 pieces of paper to write, uh, or, or sorry to, uh, to review as we were talking. And then he had to

01:30:37.380 get off the X, he had to get out of there and I had to get out of there. And while he's talking,

01:30:42.120 I'm busy folding this paper. And there's a thing that you can do called a fan fold. It's not,

01:30:47.240 I'm not releasing sources and methods. People could Google it, I suppose. And so then I fan folded

01:30:52.020 this paper. I set it on the table between us. And then I lit it, uh, with my, with my trusty

01:30:56.740 Zippo lighter and it just burns. It just goes straight down, no smoke, nothing. It just burns

01:31:02.520 straight down. Right. And that this guy, suddenly I was like, Jesus, right? He was, he couldn't,

01:31:09.720 he couldn't believe what he'd seen. And I I'm staring at him thinking I hadn't even thought about

01:31:14.600 it, but I thought, you know what? That, that, that was pretty cool. Um, so you, did you read it

01:31:19.940 first? You read it and then you burned it right in front of me? Oh no, no. I didn't want to know

01:31:23.240 anything. I just, I just, no, of course. No, it was, it was sad. And then I kept it all up here

01:31:30.000 and, and, uh, then got rid of it. And then you walked out of there with a little new swagger

01:31:34.480 in your step, a little swagger, a little swagger, but that was it. So that was the one thing that I

01:31:39.460 thought, you know, of all the stuff we've done over the years and all the things we've handled,

01:31:43.560 that seemed to impress somebody the most. You still got the swagger in your step. So what are people

01:31:48.120 going to learn if they buy this book? Uh, um, well, there's nine, uh, nine rules, right? And I

01:31:54.400 came up with nine because I couldn't think of a 10th, but there's, um, they're, they're, they're

01:31:58.260 what I took away, right? This book is not about my time in the agency. It's about when I left and

01:32:02.800 started the business. And the idea is I found I had a limited set of skills when I left the agency,

01:32:08.180 but I started this business. And after a while I realized I was able to keep it growing and

01:32:12.480 building and breathing because of some principles that I took away. Other people who worked for the

01:32:17.140 agency, I'm sure they took away their own rules. These happened to be mine. And I hope that people

01:32:22.560 will take away one or two or three of these that can help them, not just in business, but you know,

01:32:26.440 hopefully in life. Um, and that, that sounds very deep, doesn't it? That sounds appropriately deep.

01:32:32.360 Sign up for the swagger and check it out. Mike, thanks so much. I hope you come back.

01:32:36.600 I will. I'd love to. Thank you very much. All right. All the best. Uh, and I don't forget folks,

01:32:40.720 thanks for joining us. Uh, it's called company rules again. Uh, thanks for joining us today and all week.

01:32:45.120 We've got a great week of shows lined up for you next week. We'll stay on the Paul Pelosi story as

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 27, 2023

Pelosi Bodycam Footage Revealed, and Pfizer Exec Caught on Tape, with Michael Knowles and Mike Baker ｜ Ep. 481

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