On today's episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, Megyn talks about the Tish James indictment, the New York Times calling out President Trump for singling out Fannie Mae and Lisa Cook, and why he should be mad at them. Plus, a new book about the Trump family by Eric Trump.
00:01:40.960I just think they just go about their business and do their thing, kind of like what Trump did when they tried to indict him four times and bankrupt him.
00:01:48.900I don't remember him running around saying, I am fearless.
00:01:51.800I think that's called cosplaying after being criminally indicted on federal charges of bank fraud and false statements to a financial institution.
00:02:02.680Meanwhile, over on CNN, having themselves a normal one saying, everyone does this.
00:02:12.200I'm going to have to go check my mortgage applications because I distinctly remember being pretty damn careful, realizing if I didn't say what was real, that could get me in a lot of trouble.
00:02:22.500Never mind multiple times like Tish James.
00:02:26.660Oh, by the way, the chief law enforcement officer of New York state is accused of doing.
00:02:30.480Now, this criminal indictment only seems to relate to one instance, but she could take your pick.
00:02:35.800I mean, my assumption is they're not going after her everywhere because some of these jurisdictions won't be so friendly to the idea of a Tish James indictment.
00:02:44.900But here we are in the eastern district of Virginia, the so-called rocket docket, same place as Comey.
00:02:49.540And it's on in response to the Tish James indictment.
00:02:54.380The New York Times writing up an entire news article about how President Trump is doing nothing more than singling out a black woman.
00:06:47.960I was fired up when you sent me that text message the other night, right after I came off of Chris Cuomo.
00:06:53.720So it's great to be here and with you.
00:06:57.100I can't believe I actually have to defend the fact that they put our family under siege for the last, you know, 10 years relentlessly.
00:07:03.080But it's, you know, that's mainstream media in America.
00:07:05.920Can you believe the New York Times putting Fannie Willis, Tish James and Lisa Cook up there like these poor, downtrodden black women that your dad is picking on?
00:07:33.180Let's start with, you know, me getting all the calls from the FBI saying we had secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with, you know, the Kremlin.
00:07:39.200You know, then 91 indictments, you know, every DA and AG in this country coming after us, stripping us off the ballots of of Maine and Colorado.
00:07:47.840I became the most subpoenaed person in American history.
00:07:53.200So I wish it was 107 for doing absolutely not a damn thing wrong.
00:07:57.400Right. I mean, only because I was a guy who ran the Trump organization that didn't have the same constitutional protections, you know, that my father had.
00:08:04.820They took us off of YouTube. They took us off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
00:08:15.340They did everything they could to kill us, to bankrupt us, to hide us, to remove our voice, to make sure that the family got torn apart as they're raiding Melania's room at Mar-a-Lago,
00:08:24.840as they're raiding, you know, a 16-year-old kid's room at Mar-a-Lago, Baron's room at the time.
00:08:30.520You know, I mean, they did everything they could.
00:08:32.560And then they and then I get to hear CNN talk about how, you know, Donald Trump is weaponizing law enforcement because it seems pretty clear, you know, that that Letitia James, you know, lied on her mortgage application, did exactly what she accused us of doing.
00:08:45.160By the way, the entire penalty, as as you know, Megan, got reversed by the, you know, by the appellate courts of New York 5-0.
00:08:51.980You know, what's amazing about the Democrats, they always dig so deep that they find themselves.
00:08:57.420Right. I mean, Hillary did that with Russia.
00:09:00.100Right. She did that with Russia. You know, Donald Trump is colluding with Russia until they start digging into it.
00:09:05.200And they realize that, you know, the only ties anybody had to Russia was actually, you know, Hillary.
00:09:10.880And, you know, she's doing it. Letitia is doing the exact same thing.
00:09:15.840Letitia James put out that video, which I referenced in the intro.
00:09:19.560I am fearless. I am fearless. And she referenced that absurd judgment she got in a civil court stacked with a bunch of far left progressive New York jurors.
00:09:31.040Although, actually, that was the criminal case. This was Judge Engeron, who was even farther to the left.
00:09:34.980So she gets this verdict. And then it's so out of whack that it gets reversed by the Court of Appeals, the New York State Court of Appeals, well, the appellate division right above her, the district court.
00:09:45.400And that the whole word gets blown out.
00:09:49.140They said this is absolutely absurd. But technically, the judgment has stood for now.
00:09:54.960So that's still going to go up. But she is talking about that award like it's been untouched, like it stands inviolate in this same video.
00:11:15.000I'll never forget walking into our office for one of the depositions and this law enforcement officer came up to me, this guy who had been in the office for 30 years.
00:11:23.380And he goes, Eric, I've been in this office for 30 years and now I work for Letitia James.
00:11:27.960And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This office is a national embarrassment.
00:11:32.220It is an embarrassment to me. It's an embarrassment to New York State.
00:11:35.940And I'm just I want to say I'm sorry. This is a man that that literally worked for her.
00:11:41.340She campaigned on the promise and fundraised on the promise of going into the office every single day of attorney general, suing Donald Trump and then going home.
00:12:32.380No different than she wanted to no different than she wanted to climb the ladder, Megan, of being governor of New York state until she realized that she had zero support.
00:12:40.580Mm hmm. There's a lot to get to on this front, but I want to keep going because I really do want to talk about the book.
00:12:45.860I thought it was fascinating. It's called Under Siege.
00:12:47.960It's by Eric Trump. Get your preorder now.
00:12:50.000We've got to make sure he debuts at the top of The New York Times bestseller list because The Times will do everything within its power to stop it, which is why it's fun.
00:12:57.180Eric doesn't really need that honor, but we want to give it to him because it's fun to make them give it to members of the Trump family in particular, but any conservative under siege by yours today.
00:13:06.660I'm telling you, I personally read the whole thing cover to cover.
00:13:09.260It's so interesting because you get so personal about your family, all members of your family, your own personal experience in the lead up to both campaigns.
00:13:17.800So I'll get to that one second. But first, let me just ask you about the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:13:21.380Amazingly, your dad did not win it. Instead, the committee has given it to this opposition leader in Venezuela who's been in hiding.
00:13:30.440And here was their explanation at the Nobel Committee.
00:13:34.240The chair, Jorgen Watney Friedenes, trying to justify why it didn't go to Donald Trump.
00:13:40.200In the long history of the Nobel Peace Prize, I think this committee have seen any type of campaign media attention.
00:13:49.720We receive thousands and thousands of letters every year of people wanting to say what for them leads to peace.
00:13:57.860This committee sits in a room filled with the portraits of all laureates, and that room is filled with both courage and integrity.
00:14:06.400So we base only our decision on the work and the will of Alfred Nobel.
00:14:12.860OK, your thoughts on your dad not being chosen.
00:14:17.320Well, listen, I think it's sad. I mean, Megan, I see a kind of a world that very few people get to see because I'm in the room with him a lot.
00:14:24.800Right. And I've personally seen him end worse. Right. I mean, my hand to God.
00:14:28.320I've personally seen him, you know, with the whole Cambodia situation and Thailand.
00:14:32.420Everybody remembers that. I remember him calling both leaders.
00:14:35.020I was sitting right next to him. We were in Scotland together and he called both leaders.
00:14:38.680He's going back and forth. He stopped that war. He stopped with the artillery guys. Stop it.
00:14:42.480You're the biggest traitors of the United States. I promise I will not take kindly.
00:14:46.420And sure enough, in a matter of an hour, I can't tell you how many kids, how many young men primarily lives were saved by not charging at each other on a war that was a tinderbox.
00:14:56.760Right. You saw that with India and Pakistan as well. You saw him get involved.
00:15:00.920You saw him call Modi. You saw him literally disarm that entire war.
00:15:04.560Again, how many hundreds of thousands of people, potentially millions of people would have would have died there.
00:15:09.280And then you see him pull off the impossible. You know, I mean, between the Jews, the Muslims, the entire Middle East, which which has been such a difficult situation, create the Abraham Accords, create total and lasting peace.
00:15:21.660Make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon, which they would use against the Western world.
00:15:25.500Make no mistake about it. And if, Megan, they didn't use it, believe me, one of their proxies would use it, you know, and yet, you know, he gets zero recognition.
00:15:34.540Yet, you know, Barack Hussein Obama is getting the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing.
00:15:38.500And every American leader who sent our kids to war, who spent, what, nine trillion dollars on wars in the Middle East, you know, where they blow up a school.
00:15:47.560Then they would rebuild it three days later. Then they blow up the same school again. Right.
00:15:51.140Those are the guys getting the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:15:53.360But it was really interesting. Putin just put out a message, put out he put out a whole tweet about this or in a statement.
00:16:00.040And he goes, listen, the Nobel Peace Prize, they've just they're not what they used to be.
00:16:04.060I mean, they've just it's it's not the same.
00:16:06.380You know, people who have never accomplished anything or giving the Nobel Peace Prize to people who, you know, haven't accomplished nearly as much as Donald Trump has.
00:16:14.480And it's definitely it's become a joke.
00:16:16.120And it died when they gave it to Obama for literally just taking office and doing speeches, trying to flagellate America, just saying we went on his apology tour throughout Europe, saying we're so sorry.
00:16:27.260We suck. And they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize for his speeches.
00:16:31.700Meanwhile, your dad is actually saving lives, literally saving lives and achieving something.
00:16:36.520No other president has been able to achieve in the Middle East.
00:17:24.520Like how about the fact that people on both sides of that conflict say he deserved it, that leaders on both sides of the India-Pakistan conflict said that he deserved it.
00:17:33.820People on both sides of the Thailand-Cambodia conflict said he deserves it.
00:17:38.800I mean, these are the people that that, you know, didn't go to war based on his actions.
00:17:43.620And by the way, there's there's plenty more.
00:17:44.840I mean, he deserves it for cleaning up the streets of Washington, D.C., our nation's capital and keeping, what, you know, 10 kids from dying every single week to gun violence.
00:17:53.600He deserves it just for for that alone, let alone all these conflicts around the world that he's, you know, he's ending.
00:17:58.780And one last thing, even the conflicts that aren't ended right now, right, Russia and Ukraine, who's worked harder at trying to end those conflicts than Donald Trump?
00:18:06.780I mean, this guy has has has put every ounce of his energy and soul into ending those conflicts.
00:18:13.360And it's it's like not giving Michael Jordan the MVP award.
00:19:06.700So how about Barack Obama taking two days to issue a statement about this peace deal in the Middle East and then go waxing poetic about how, well, we're really going to have to see whether there is a lasting peace and both sides live up to their two words.
00:19:20.700It's not mentioned in his lengthy tweet.
00:19:47.500Did you ever see a clip where, you know, Barack Obama's talking about getting, you know, bin Laden and my father's talking about getting, you know, al-Baghdadi.
00:21:24.760My father goes over to China and, you know, I mean, half of China shows up.
00:21:28.000They've got the most incredible, you know, receiving lines you've ever seen.
00:21:32.160He goes over to Saudi Arabia and they've got the 5,000 white horses and the swordsmen and everything else, right?
00:21:37.080And, you know, the lack of respect that they had toward these other administrations versus the total respect that they have for my father is just, you know, it's night and day.
00:21:45.600And so they can credibly get people in the room.
00:21:47.560By the way, people that they actually built real friendships with and legitimate relations with, you know, and negotiate this.
00:24:43.280And I actually think your mom gets a lot of the credit for just not, you know, being totally drunk on the wine that the children were producing.
00:26:14.420And I'll never forget, I think I mentioned this story in the book, but every single day, you know, you'd have Anderson Cooper go knock on her townhouse door.
00:26:21.520They wanted Ivana Trump to say anything negative about Donald Trump in the first campaign.
00:26:55.600I mean, maybe this is the first time I've ever really thought about it, but maybe it was a lot of that free spirit that she had where she just said what was ever on her mind.
00:27:02.940That's exactly how I approached this book.
00:27:24.840And it's almost like you're kind of still there because your dad's currently president, but the law fair is over and, like, the impeachments are over and, you know, God willing, the assassination attempts have passed.
00:27:36.980And so maybe it was the perfect time to just take a deep breath, exhale, and take stock of where you are at this point in your young life.
00:28:26.060I get into a lot of the stories in the book, obviously, about growing up on construction sites starting at 11.
00:28:30.300And, Megan, never did I realize that 90% of my time was going to be, you know, keeping the animals off of our back.
00:28:36.380I mean, when I got that call from, you know, the New York Times, Washington Post, Eric, there are secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with the Kremlin.
00:28:54.740Third of all, I'm like, why don't you come over to Trump Tower?
00:28:56.800Like, I'll walk into any basement in Trump Tower.
00:29:00.920They'll be impeccable because I'm a very anal retentive person.
00:29:03.620But, like, you're not going to find any servers.
00:29:05.320I mean, it was all a made-up hoax, and they allowed that to perpetrate for years and years.
00:29:09.000But, again, because I didn't have constitutional protections, I wasn't in the executive branch, I became the pinata to the full force of the Letitia Jameses, as ironic as that is that we're talking about this the day after.
00:29:19.400And, you know, every single one of those—I mean, I was getting a subpoena every single day.
00:29:25.560I was sitting in a deposition every single day.
00:29:27.700I became the most subpoenaed person in American history.
00:29:29.520I spent $400 million, $400 million defending from just totally insane attacks, i.e., you know, having servers communicating with Putin, which was nuts, right?
00:29:42.120And all the attacks from Hillary and everything else.
00:29:44.180And I remember being in the courthouse with my father.
00:33:16.720And, you know, he was a very special guy in our life.
00:33:19.280I mean, little did you know that you were going to need that tough skin in more ways than one, right?
00:33:23.680I mean, New York real estate is no, you know, that's not for softies.
00:33:27.200But presidential politics, as they always say, it's not beanbag.
00:33:30.960And we've heard this story a bit before.
00:33:33.560But can you talk a bit about how your dad, when he called the whole family together before the first run and had the meeting and said, this is the moment we're going to find out who our real friends are?
00:33:45.860He called me and he goes, honey, get the kids.
00:33:49.680We were on the 25th floor of Trump Tower.
00:35:09.980And did you find out who your friends were?
00:35:12.540Yeah, at the end of that statement, he said, you know what, we're going to find out who our true friends are.
00:35:16.400And they are going to come after us so viciously, you have no idea.
00:35:20.300And we found out who our true friends were.
00:35:22.140And, you know, in the art of the deal, he spent a lot of time talking about the days where his phone stopped ringing.
00:35:27.980And wow, did I find, you know, wow, did I learn that kind of the hard way.
00:35:32.020I mean, we saw that in 2020, you know, the phones just stopped ringing.
00:35:35.140And the very few people who are around us, most of them are in the cabinet today.
00:35:38.600I mean, that's where you really get a great test of kind of loyalty and who's there for you and who really loves you and who has backbone and spine.
00:35:45.900But we saw days where the phones rang off the hooks, right?
00:35:49.020You know, from people you had never heard from before.
00:35:50.820That's every time we won an election about three seconds later.
00:35:52.860And then you had those very dark, dark, dark, quiet days where the phones stopped ringing.
00:35:58.040And we found out who our true friends are.
00:36:00.840I can peg every single person in my life and know exactly who they are and whether they were there for us or not.
00:36:06.640And it's very hard for me to forget that.
00:36:10.320You also write about the first moment you got a call from Air Force One.
00:36:20.980Pre-order it now, so you make sure you get one of the first wave copies.
00:36:24.620But how cool is that and what went down?
00:36:28.140Yeah, I got a call from Air Force One.
00:36:29.640I got a call from a scrambled number on my phone.
00:36:31.720I normally don't pick those up, but I figured it might be something a little – and I picked it up.
00:36:36.020And the first words that come across the phone were, you know, Mr. Trump, this is Commander Air Force One, the President of the United States.
00:36:42.960And my father had already picked up the phone, so he was already on the line.
00:36:54.660And, you know, not too long after we went to Buckingham Palace, we were there with the late great queen who my father loved and we all loved and I think the whole world loved.
00:37:02.320And we show up at Buckingham Palace, come in on Marine One.
00:37:05.460We're waiting there, you know, for the queen.
00:37:07.000The helicopters are taking off from these incredible immaculate lawns.
00:37:10.040And, you know, he looks over at Don and myself.
00:37:12.680He goes, can you freaking believe this?
00:37:14.120Like, you know, how did we find ourselves here, right?
00:37:16.240I mean, we were – listen, we were really good at building buildings, right?
00:37:19.660We were really good in the business world.
00:37:56.820You know, we crisscrossed the country.
00:37:58.240You know, being the son of a president has its perks.
00:38:01.580Like when you think about, you know, the almost five years that you've been in that role so far, is there one or two, like something that comes to mind?
00:38:15.720You know, you fly in, you know, under the pitchness of darkness.
00:38:19.520You know, so you fly into a White House on the South Lawn at 2 o'clock in the morning and everything's just blacked out and you land above this, you know, the most famous building anywhere on Earth.
00:38:27.420I mean, you could, if you could reach out the window, it feels like you could touch your Washington Monument.
00:38:50.220But I think the moment that really hit me was Arlington National Cemetery.
00:38:53.060When he laid the wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier the first time, you're sitting up there on the, you know, top of that hill overlooking the entire city.
00:39:00.900And it's the only time Washington is quiet, right?
00:39:04.180It is the only time as that wreath goes down the stairs and you have the, you know, the lone soldier that's guarding the tomb.
00:39:12.500And I remember that was our first entry into politics.
00:40:00.920So it must be a custom mattress and it's, it's really interesting.
00:40:03.280But you have the Gettysburg address and every night before, you know, when they do turndown service at the White House, they'll put the Gettysburg address on the, on the nightstand.
00:40:11.280And so you're literally going to shut off the light and, you know, you know, four score and seven years ago, you start reading the thing and you go, oh my God, this is unique.
00:40:18.320But on the other nightstand, on the other side of the bed is a little oval painting that, that Lincoln kept on his, on his, on the oval office desk of him and his son, the son that passed away in the bed.
00:40:29.720He passed away, I believe it was of polio or measles.
00:40:32.880And, and you're standing there saying, wow, I mean, the, the history is, is real.
00:40:36.920And then you look around the room and you see this tall standup mirror and the thing is, you know, seven feet tall because obviously Lincoln was a, you know, incredibly tall guy.
00:40:46.240You walk around though at the White House and you can date the White House based on the way the Eagle's head looks in, in the presidential seal.
00:40:52.780So, you know, when it was, when it was department of war before my father changed it back and, and at a time when America was at war, the Eagle's head would always look at the arrows.
00:41:01.380And at a time of peace, the Eagle's head would be turned and it would look at the, the olive branch.
00:41:06.160After Truman, the Eagle's head only looks at the olive branch.
00:41:09.500They never had the Eagle's head turned back.
00:41:11.040But as you walk around the White House, you can kind of distinctly tell when certain things were built, when, when certain, you know, desks were put in based on, you know, the direction of the, the Eagle's head.
00:41:19.900And it's, it's a fascinating building that's, that's, that's beyond full of history.
00:41:24.560You write in the book about another home that you guys share, of course, and where you spent half your childhood, which is Mar-a-Lago.
00:41:31.380And the infamous raid that was pursued by the FBI on your family's most intimate spaces, your little brother Barron's room.
00:41:42.660And for you, this wasn't just the outrage that it was for all of us.
00:41:45.860It was that, but it was deeply personal.
00:42:07.260Yeah, I spent a lot of time talking about that in the book because, I mean, if there's ever a siege, I mean, that was the literal siege of our home, right?
00:44:18.420I mean, they wanted to do anything they could to indict him, to imprison him, to bankrupt him, to silence him.
00:44:23.680I mean, think about all the gag orders.
00:44:25.060I mean, I became the guy who was standing out front on the steps of the New York courthouse shouting at the top of my lungs because I was only gagged in about three-quarters of the cases.
00:44:33.400There's a couple of the cases I wasn't quite gagged in, you know, and so I became the de facto spokesperson who was out there yelling because my father couldn't have a voice because during the middle of a presidential campaign, you know, the judge whose daughter worked for the Democratic Party decided to gag order my father and not allow him to speak and defend himself, yet no one else was gag ordered.
00:44:51.780I mean, this is the hell that they put us through, Megan, and, you know, I want the world to know, you know, kind of how fragile, you know, how fragile it can be.
00:45:00.740Like, you know, we live in the greatest, you know, country in the world, the greatest economy.
00:45:05.480We have the greatest, you know, rule of law, and yet it's still challenged every single day.
00:45:11.520And honestly, it breaks my heart for countries around the world that don't have the system that we have, as corrupted as our system got throughout this whole process.
00:45:18.380I mean, could you imagine other countries around the world?
00:45:21.940I mean, it gives you full appreciation for what people deal with all over the world.
00:45:35.360Would you have liked to have seen a James Comey mugshot like your dad had to submit to?
00:45:41.000Well, you know, the mugshot was like the greatest thing that ever happened to us.
00:45:43.740You know, we raised a fortune off of that thing.
00:45:45.400And, by the way, it took every inner city community and made them all 100 percent Trump because they said, listen, like, they've done this to us for the last five decades, right?
00:46:39.240I wish no one the hell that I went through based on her actions, which were overturned 5-0 by the appellate courts, as you mentioned before.
00:46:45.960I mean, you know, finding a $600 million when your lenders are on the stand saying that we're the best customers they've ever had, the best borrowers they've ever had.
00:46:53.340It was like you're in, you know, a make-believe land.
00:46:57.120It felt like you were in some, you know, crazy, evil fairy tale.
00:47:08.160You know, you want to live by the sword, you die by the sword.
00:47:10.540Isn't that kind of how life generally works?
00:47:13.100And, again, I don't wish the pain and suffering of our employees, of the lack of sleep that I had for a four-year period of time on anybody.
00:47:20.920But, you know, the great irony that she apparently did exactly what she was accusing us of doing is nothing short of remarkable.
00:47:30.200It's truly, like, literary the way it's coming down.
00:47:33.580Today, Eric, by the way, we're talking to Eric Trump.
00:48:12.160I mean, it's like 15 months ago this happened to your dad.
00:48:14.920The three Trump lovers who were at the rally in Butler who also got shot, one of whom is dead.
00:48:23.140And then you see this happen to poor Charlie, such a dear ally to your dad, and obviously, most likely, a future president himself on our side.
00:48:30.540You know, here's a picture of the two of you together.
00:48:37.880I remember when he was 21 years old, he came into a Trump organization.
00:48:40.300He told me the plans of what he was going to do at Turning Point, and he achieved every single one of them.
00:48:44.440And I was almost rolling my eyes at the time because the aspiration was so large, you know, so large for such a young guy at the time, you know, talking about changing every student body on every college campus around the country.
00:48:54.400And, you know, it's all part of the siege, right?
00:48:57.260They wanted – they think they could cut the head off the tiger and eliminate the – you know, eliminate this powerful movement.
00:49:04.460And what they actually got is the exact opposite of that.
00:49:07.100They only, you know, amplified the movement.
00:49:09.120They only pissed off – I mean, when you have, you know, 1.3 million people walking across the London Bridge, when you have, you know, marches of solidarity in Pretoria, South Africa, in honor of Charlie Kirk, you know, they made Charlie bigger than he's ever been.
00:49:22.640When you have 100,000, over 100,000 applications for Turning Point chapters, you know, at high schools and colleges and other universities around the country, I mean, wow.
00:49:33.800I mean, they martyred him, but wow will his legacy live on.
00:49:37.560But, Megan, he was a dear friend of mine.
00:49:39.320I was all over the place with Charlie and, you know, watching the videos of blood spewing out the neck of a dear friend of mine like that, it's unthinkable.
00:49:45.600And you better believe that was deja vu to Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:49:48.720And I spent a lot of time talking about Butler in the book because I'm pissed off.
00:49:51.700I'm not satisfied with the answer there.
00:49:53.600And, like, you know, like I want to put that out to the world.
00:50:00.540We got into the phones of every January 6th protester, you know, every grandmother who decided to take a picture, a selfie in the Capitol, but yet a guy who tried to take out the 45th president of the United States.
00:50:11.000We've seen one picture of the guy, and he was cremated about five days later.
00:50:14.320Again, I'm not a tinfoil hat-wearing guy, but I'm pissed off.
00:50:17.240How did somebody get on a rooftop 130 yards away from a former president and very likely to be future president of the United States?
00:54:27.580Wouldn't you rather see Walter Kern than like, I don't know, one of those snobby, like Tom Hanks, Hollywood superstars that hates you, right?
00:54:38.000Like these are the stars for us in our audience.
00:56:13.440We weren't really even paying that close of attention to this debate up until recently when, like, the lunatic attorney general put out how he wanted to, we found out he wanted to kill a Republican.
00:56:23.240Children and that kind of got our attention.
00:56:25.380And then it's just it's not looking good for Winsome Sears, though it's getting better and better.
00:57:17.440So last night, not surprisingly, that issue was front and center.
00:57:22.300She's running against Youngkin's, his lieutenant governor, Winsome Sears.
00:57:26.580And let's just go through the soundbites because they're so good.
00:57:29.820Let's start with number seven, where the moderator, by the way, also did a very good job on pressing Spanberger about Jay Jones and whether she's still supporting his run for AG.
00:58:17.880And importantly, at this point, as we move forward, the voters now have this information, information that was withheld for them, presumably for political reasons.
00:58:30.140But the voters now have the information.
00:58:32.760Ms. Member, I understand what you're saying about the voters, but for you yourself, do you still continue to endorse Jay Jones?
00:59:45.140Rhetoric is something aimed at the public.
00:59:46.860This was a revelation of his feelings and his backstage personality.
00:59:53.480You know, just as we've seen with Katie Porter, you know, her suddenly go, get out of my shot and stop being the sort of measured vice principal lady that she pretends to be.
01:00:06.000And as someone who wrote a book, and I'm quite serious about a psychopathic killer who was a friend of mine and who disguised himself for many years, you get very few shots.
01:00:26.900And it gives me great insight into the sociopathic mind.
01:00:31.520And sociopaths have a belief that that which is hidden isn't real.
01:00:35.940And that which is public is real and only that.
01:00:40.060But this guy, somebody who knew him, somebody who was concerned, somebody who didn't want to do it and waited, finally felt a pang of conscience and showed us the behind the scenes reality of this man.
01:00:55.760And that we laugh that off and that we just pass it on and we don't require straight answers about it means in an age of assassinations, it's one thing if this had come out five years, but, you know, this is very germane at this point, shows that we've lost not just our way, but maybe become monstrous ourselves.
01:01:40.800Is he going to do that very selectively?
01:01:43.240Or is he, you know, I can see somebody, some murderer sitting up in court after being sentenced and screaming at the judge, you know, the man who put me here wants to kill people, too.
01:01:56.740You know, I think it was Eric Erickson, who's got his JD and he's a radio host as well down in Atlanta and a conservative commentator for a long, long time.
01:02:11.880I'm going to butcher it a little, but it was to the effect of down in Georgia, you know, you had a race for governor involving Herschel Walker, who had all these personal allegations against him, which were not good.
01:02:25.120But at least in his case, they all preceded when he like got help for these issues.
01:02:30.640And so he had a pass, but it really genuinely was the past.
01:02:36.120And voters voted Republican up and down the ticket in Georgia, but not for him, for U.S. Senator, not for him.
01:02:53.660I mean, he was saying in in Virginia, will you do the same?
01:02:57.920Even if you vote for Spanberger for governor, which you shouldn't, and a Republican lieutenant governor, sorry, a Democrat lieutenant governor, do you actually feel comfortable putting this guy in your state's top law enforcement post?
01:03:13.800Or will you hold the line on what is decent, just a bare level of decency?
01:04:43.640I believe every word she's saying, and I don't believe his denial.
01:04:46.060But in any event, when you picked up the conversation about now shooting the Republican House Speaker at the time in the head with two bullets,
01:04:53.880that was doubling down on your earlier sentiments about wanting to see cops shot dead, right?
01:05:15.220You could completely eviscerate the guy just by sticking to his words.
01:05:19.080Here was Winsome Sears getting in on the action, you know, trying to make it a debate where she got to ask her own opponent some of these questions in SOT 8.
01:05:28.720Why my opponent won't say beyond its abhorrent and disgusting why she won't say it is not OK and that he must leave the race
01:05:41.200because J. Jones advocated the murder, Abigail, the murder of a man, a former speaker, as well as his children who were two years, two and five years old.
01:07:14.980And once you and once it's reflexive loyalty at any cost, then you essentially have war, maybe not hot war, but you've got war because the whole idea of politics is that you're you're finding little pieces of overlap or you're negotiating what you want versus what they want.
01:08:48.160Your party will go on if it maintains some basic standard of decency.
01:08:54.340But, I mean, if you are going to ask Virginia voters to make this guy who wanted to see a Republican get shot in the head just because he's team red,
01:09:04.820along with his babies in their mother's arms, you are sullying your brand to the point of no return.
01:11:14.260But this guy can actually put in writing.
01:11:18.000I mean, like anybody who sends a text like that to a member of the other party, the one who you want to see assassinated, obviously knows they're taking a risk.
01:11:26.260This is not like a safe communication.
01:22:52.520That the big people in the background behind the curtain are – depending on her not to screw up because she's got to deliver that office.
01:50:51.800A lot of great women have made bad choices in men and vice versa too.
01:50:56.000But if you have a pattern of absolutely volatile relationships involving restraining orders and mandated anger management cases or classes and physical and verbal abuse,
01:51:11.800why would you run for public office and why would you ever let yourself lose your temper in as public a setting as an interview with CBS News?
01:51:25.460That is just waving the red flag at the bull.
01:51:29.520The media is going to figure out whether you have an anger issue.
01:51:34.820And it had all been kind of forgotten.
01:51:46.940the reason you do all those things is because you're a psychopath with no conscience who believes you're right about everything and that the world made you do whatever wrong things you've done.
01:52:01.360And you're such an important political figure and your plans for saving California are so vital that how dare they get down into these soap opera details?
01:52:51.960She would have had us all walking on our knees down the street with like hostages with her hands behind our head, you know, being sprayed down by insecticide.
01:53:27.960But I also understood why she was getting annoyed.
01:53:30.940Which is what I actually love about the interview.
01:53:33.500I also feel her staffer should not have gotten in the back of her shot, but she should have handled it differently.
01:53:39.480Like I would not have been happy with my lighting in that backstage at Cuomo thing.
01:53:44.980But she's a nasty person who's seething like the level of anger was disproportionate to the event.
01:53:51.220So it's not that she doesn't have any points to be raised.
01:53:53.820It's just she can't seem to modulate her emotions, which is bad because she's a woman and female politicians really do extra need to keep it together.
01:56:57.020But neither of those two is running for governor of California.
01:57:01.880So it's really more of like a Fox News internal thing or Inside Edition internal thing.
01:57:08.560I'm not sure we can make that comparison, Walter.
01:57:11.380Well, you know, I don't want to call journalists TV people, but TV people whose job is to, you know, present to the entire country, lit, made up from a, you know, in a coherent way.
01:57:24.040Like, we expect one thing from them when things screw up.
01:57:29.000You know, they're being professionally compromised.
01:57:32.040That a politician turns out to be almost the biggest TV person of all.
01:57:40.380That, in fact, they have, they're more monstrous than, you know, anyone we've seen there.
01:57:46.960And the thing is, she doesn't just snap.
01:57:50.720She pours boiling potato water over people's heads.
01:58:04.420That was just how she handles other people.
01:58:06.980It wasn't that there was some moment where she went awry.
01:58:12.180And when you dig and you keep peeling the onion back and it gets worse and worse and worse, I'd say you've got a case.
01:58:19.420But once again, on The View, we're in a country now where there are excuses for the most flagrant and obvious human behavior of the worst infantile.
01:58:31.380What's with the menopausal moment thing?
01:59:22.060She's not paying much of a price for it.
01:59:24.340Well, I was thinking, I mean, like, I honestly, on the subject of, you know, my therapist who I saw after my first marriage ended, you know, I think Katie Porter probably has some very low self-esteem.
01:59:35.600I think that's why she's so obsessed with how she looks and how the lighting is and whether the staffer's back there in a way that it makes her quick to anger.
01:59:44.560You know, I mean, we, again, being part of a professional television person, I absolutely would say, yo, abs, you're in my shot.
01:59:54.540So it's, I'm not objecting to the, the caring about that.
01:59:58.760But she seems like to be very angry if it's not going her way.
02:00:02.860And I think there are a lot of women who don't just choose one partner who's an absolute loser, but have a series of absolute losers in the past.
02:00:14.240They love losers because they love losers because they can berate them all day.
02:00:18.780They know reliably that they'll come home and something will be broken.
02:00:26.340But the real reason I don't want this character in charge of our politics is because they have a lot of power.
02:00:34.520And in an era of pandemics and fires and public emergencies and all sorts of moments when someone rises to almost, you know, authoritarian executive power, enduring emergencies and so on.
02:00:49.620Somebody like that can ruin your life, can ruin your economy, can ruin your, your, your, your, your peace of mind.
02:00:59.920I mean, Gavin Newsom, he was kind of a semi dictator, but really he just wanted to slip off to the French laundry and toast and, you know, get it on with his fancy friends.
02:01:08.440She, she, man, she put a fricking roadblock around every Los Angeles neighborhood and have, you know, nighttime night goggle patrols looking in your window.
02:01:22.000She doesn't seem like an emotionally healthy person.
02:01:25.420And I think that would concern me if I were a California voter.
02:01:30.340I don't, that's not, you got to, again, right back to the, put this one back on the shelf.
02:01:51.700Speaking of people who are on TV and worry about their image, Jimmy Kimmel has decided to give a full-throated interview about his five days suspension for him.
02:03:57.940We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.
02:04:06.920And doing everything they can to score political points from it.
02:04:10.400MAGA reacted by saying, how dare you suggest he was one of ours?
02:04:50.500You know, he couched it in a negative, you know, but, but, but he was obviously saying that he knew and the identity of the killer was obvious.
02:04:59.960And his sympathies were obvious and look at these pathetic MAGA people trying to obscure the truth when it was him trying to obscure the truth.
02:05:10.460And it was very subtle and these people are actors and the thought that it just sort of came out or people mischaracterized him or he could have said it differently is ridiculous.
02:05:21.220Every one of those words is worth its weight in gold is rehearsed.
02:05:26.440He knew, he knew that his staggering, failing career was going to be well served by a controversy like this.
02:05:36.680I was told months ago that he was on the way out, you know, when Colbert got canceled.
02:05:41.920And, and, and I, this, this was, I think, a cynical attempt to, at a very tender moment, kick the hornet's nest, get himself back in the headlines.
02:05:55.000And, but the funny thing is Jimmy Kimmel is not talented enough and his product is not in demand enough that he'll last.
02:06:04.020So, but, but he does seem a little bit like he's lost some of his swagger.
02:06:10.480Some of the wind's gone out of him because I think he realizes that, um, though he can, though he can get attention through extreme measures, he's, that's about all.
02:06:23.580And, uh, I, I think he'll just quietly shuffle off the stage at some point.
02:06:28.960I really hope he does because this is amazing.
02:06:31.420Like he is not taking responsibility for what he did.
02:06:34.500The problem is he was characterized exactly right.
02:06:36.500And what he said was wrong and it was really offensive and he did not give two dams that he was pouring salt in the wounds of a whole group of half of the country that was really suffering.
02:06:47.180He, and now he has the nerve to come out and play the victim.
02:08:05.240And he's got a very big platform and he's supposed to be this comedian and he won't take the responsibility because he always just says jokes, jokes, jokes.
02:08:12.200And that leads me to Trevor Noah, who just, this is really dreadful.
02:09:43.200We're not going to show the gunshot, obviously, but we are going to show the last couple of questions that Trevor Noah is mischaracterizing.
02:10:24.620So the questioner is building up to try to say trans people don't commit murders.
02:10:30.360Trans people aren't out there doing mass shootings.
02:10:32.360Now, if Trevor Noah wanted to say that was the irony, that they were talking about how low the number of trans shooters allegedly is, and then Charlie got shot by somebody who was into furry culture who was dating a trans person.
02:10:46.280It's not funny, but he at least could have made an actual connection, but he wasn't celebrating guns there.
02:11:10.660One thing that comedians do, and the reason we laugh and laugh uncomfortably, especially in, you know, edgy comedy clubs, is they speak thoughts that we're afraid to speak ourselves.
02:11:21.000You know, they say things that we would never say to our wife, but they say out loud, or they say things we would never say to our boss.
02:11:28.400But he, I actually dispute his thesis that there was anything funny about that.
02:11:37.120If there was some tiny, horrible, miserable, funny thing about that, that even the best person or normal person, you know, couldn't admit to, that would be one thing.
02:11:48.240But I want to say, you're telling us about you.
02:11:50.700You have told me nothing about myself.
02:11:52.920You have told me nothing about the secret thoughts that other people have.
02:12:29.800Someone who gets on a stage, why don't they fear the fact that America's stages and America's public places and America's ability to go out and speak in crowds has now been made really perilous?
02:13:07.260The university—it was a Charlie event.
02:13:09.060It's a lot harder for Glenn Beck to do that at a Charlie event than it is for Trevor Noah to stand up there because of the very thing that Charlie was debating with that kid who asked him the question because of who has been motivated to violence.
02:13:25.880Because of how the left feels, one-third of them, according to the polls, about political violence versus the numbers on the right wing side, which are nil.
02:13:36.980There are no right wingers, maybe one percent, the number show, who would entertain political violence.
02:13:44.720That's why, Trevor, we're not all laughing because all of us would like to get home and see our children, something he clearly doesn't have to worry about for a number of reasons.
02:14:46.920He was on my show when it happened, the day it happened, one month ago today, telling us he was in tears about the fact that his daughter was so close to danger.
02:15:28.240I just, like, I've had it with these comedians trying to laugh and piss on his grave.
02:15:35.580The essence of good comedy is bravery, is saying the thing that other people are afraid to say or too shy to say or, you know, too tongue-tied to say.
02:15:44.660But this is not bravery we're seeing from these people.
02:15:48.360This is wanting adulation as part of a call of anger and hatred.
02:15:55.620And they're going into safe spaces, and they're saying the thing that their bubble partners want to hear, and they're kind of glorying in their sadistic fantasies.
02:17:21.840It really is the best season for dressing.
02:17:25.240You can go so many ways and use so many interesting, rich colors.
02:17:29.260So I'm looking forward to, yeah, upping my wardrobe, a hayride with Meg and Kelly.
02:17:34.560I'm really, you know, getting outdoors and remembering what it is to be cozy, safe in a sane America, because the end of this summer was just off a cliff.
02:17:48.200And I hope we start to enjoy each other and value our, you know, value our time off together.
02:18:06.680I'm not an outwardly, you know, overtly wear it on my forehead person, yes.
02:18:15.080But whenever I'm asked that question, it's my, you know, my reading of the Bible, my reading of the Christian message, is that when asked, you're supposed to say yes.
02:18:27.300Uh, there were a few people there in Jerusalem who asked, when asked if they knew Jesus said, I've never seen the guy.
02:18:59.640Um, but she's extremely upset still, as she should be.
02:19:03.880And I still haven't wrestled with the fact, or like, under, come to understand the fact that, like, people are so callous, like Trevor Noah, and people are celebrating it, and people can't find empathy.
02:19:15.460And we hear all this, like, oh, it's really too bad, but, oh, I don't condone political violence, but, like, I, that, all that stuff's really bothering me.
02:19:23.800And I, so I went back to, to Dr. Frank Turek, who I really like.
02:19:28.580He, um, he's been on the show, he came on the show right after Charlie died, and he was Charlie's, one of Charlie's spiritual mentors and teachers about the Christian faith.
02:19:36.680And that led me to this book that he was talking about on, on, in one of his books, called Who Moved the Stone?
02:19:44.660And, uh, this is purportedly a book that convinced an atheist, Frank and his co-author of the one book knew, knew, that God is real, that Jesus is real, and that Christianity is right.
02:19:56.240So I've been listening to Who Moved the Stone?
02:20:36.980It's just, like, reminding me that it is real.
02:20:40.180And there's a reason that Christianity was founded.
02:20:43.860And people believed at a time, as you point out, it was dangerous to believe immediately by the thousands.
02:20:50.240And then, of course, years later, hundreds of millions of billions, there's a billion Catholics.
02:20:56.200And how those beliefs actually can be comforting in a time like this if you can just reconnect with them.
02:21:01.460But it's ironic, because, like, at a time like this, you might kind of want to feel, you might feel slightly alienated from them, too, right?
02:21:07.660Like, that's been my own wrestling over the past month.
02:21:10.800Well, I don't go a morning without the first words into my head being those from the Gospels.
02:21:55.840And there is a sense that life and death issues require us to read these stories.
02:22:03.900Because even if we find them unbelievable, they're really an honest way of grappling with our feelings around death in a way comedians aren't and science isn't.
02:22:17.480And I'd like to believe that resurrection, in Charlie's case, is similar to what happened with John the Baptist.
02:23:08.440So you can email me, megan at megankelly.com is the email.
02:23:11.780And by the way, go to megankelly.com to see Walter and yours truly and Erica Kirk all together in Glendale, Arizona on the last night of our tour, November 22nd.