The Megyn Kelly Show - Personal Impact of Anti-Trump Lawfare, and New Katie Porter Berating Staff Videos, with Eric Trump and Walter Kirn ｜ Ep 1169

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00:01:06.320 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.180 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and happy Friday.

00:01:16.380 I mean, I literally sat down at this desk.

00:01:20.180 I almost did not make air today.

00:01:22.220 I was down in Washington, D.C. last night.

00:01:24.760 More on why in just a bit.

00:01:27.100 But whew, my lungs are burning.

00:01:29.040 That was a close one, even for me.

00:01:31.420 New York Attorney General Letitia James vowing that she is fearless.

00:01:36.560 I mean, do people who are fearless say, I am fearless?

00:01:40.100 I don't think so.

00:01:40.960 I just think they just go about their business and do their thing, kind of like what Trump did when they tried to indict him four times and bankrupt him.

00:01:48.900 I don't remember him running around saying, I am fearless.

00:01:51.800 I think that's called cosplaying after being criminally indicted on federal charges of bank fraud and false statements to a financial institution.

00:02:02.680 Meanwhile, over on CNN, having themselves a normal one saying, everyone does this.

00:02:07.400 We all do this.

00:02:08.980 We do.

00:02:10.180 We all commit mortgage fraud. 1.00

00:02:11.880 Shit. 1.00

00:02:12.200 I'm going to have to go check my mortgage applications because I distinctly remember being pretty damn careful, realizing if I didn't say what was real, that could get me in a lot of trouble. 0.99

00:02:22.500 Never mind multiple times like Tish James.

00:02:26.660 Oh, by the way, the chief law enforcement officer of New York state is accused of doing.

00:02:30.480 Now, this criminal indictment only seems to relate to one instance, but she could take your pick.

00:02:35.800 I mean, my assumption is they're not going after her everywhere because some of these jurisdictions won't be so friendly to the idea of a Tish James indictment.

00:02:44.900 But here we are in the eastern district of Virginia, the so-called rocket docket, same place as Comey.

00:02:49.540 And it's on in response to the Tish James indictment.

00:02:54.380 The New York Times writing up an entire news article about how President Trump is doing nothing more than singling out a black woman.

00:03:01.140 OK, it's it's a black woman thing. 1.00

00:03:04.440 Sure, Jan. 0.99

00:03:07.800 What a joke.

00:03:08.820 They actually have a like a screen grab of three black women. 1.00

00:03:14.700 And they're making really that point.

00:03:16.600 These are the poor, innocent black women that Trump is going after. 1.00

00:03:21.180 Fannie Willis, Lisa Cook, who also has her own mortgage problems, according to Bill Pulte and Letitia James. 1.00

00:03:29.400 Now, what do two out of those three black women have in common? 1.00

00:03:33.940 Can anyone think what it might be other than the fact that they're black and they're women?

00:03:38.880 What what if Fannie Willis and Tish James have?

00:03:43.480 Oh, wait, it just came to me.

00:03:45.500 They went after Trump.

00:03:47.800 This is, if anything, defensive.

00:03:51.480 And by the way, he's not really going after Fannie Willis.

00:03:54.100 She's got her own problems that she created for herself. 0.98

00:03:57.000 OK, so there's a ton to get to today.

00:03:58.900 Walter Kern will join me in just a bit.

00:04:00.600 But we are super excited to welcome our first guest today.

00:04:05.400 And what a day for it happens to be President Donald J. Trump's own son.

00:04:10.080 He's here to talk about lawfare, the snubbing on the Nobel Peace Prize and more.

00:04:16.380 Eric Trump is out with a perfectly timed new book called Under Siege.

00:04:21.680 My family's fight to save our nation.

00:04:24.780 It's exactly the right title.

00:04:26.520 It's exactly what they've been doing.

00:04:28.180 It's out next week.

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00:04:31.360 We want to support the Trump family.

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00:04:34.580 And Eric Trump has been put through so much.

00:04:37.760 If you read this book, you'll truly be horrified.

00:04:40.480 I think he's on his 107th subpoena, attacking him, his charitable foundation, his family, his wife, obviously his father.

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00:06:43.420 Eric, thanks so much for being here and congrats on the book.

00:06:46.900 Thanks, Megan.

00:06:47.580 It was great.

00:06:47.960 I was fired up when you sent me that text message the other night, right after I came off of Chris Cuomo.

00:06:53.720 So it's great to be here and with you.

00:06:57.100 I can't believe I actually have to defend the fact that they put our family under siege for the last, you know, 10 years relentlessly.

00:07:03.080 But it's, you know, that's mainstream media in America.

00:07:05.920 Can you believe the New York Times putting Fannie Willis, Tish James and Lisa Cook up there like these poor, downtrodden black women that your dad is picking on? 1.00

00:07:17.160 It's remarkable.

00:07:20.160 And honestly, even worse is when I hear them every single day.

00:07:23.700 Trump is weaponizing the government.

00:07:26.420 I mean, Megan, let's start with, obviously, the Russia hoax.

00:07:31.820 Let's start with the dirty dossier.

00:07:33.180 Let's start with, you know, me getting all the calls from the FBI saying we had secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with, you know, the Kremlin.

00:07:39.200 You know, then 91 indictments, you know, every DA and AG in this country coming after us, stripping us off the ballots of of Maine and Colorado.

00:07:47.840 I became the most subpoenaed person in American history.

00:07:50.220 You said 107.

00:07:51.420 It was actually 112.

00:07:53.200 So I wish it was 107 for doing absolutely not a damn thing wrong.

00:07:57.400 Right. I mean, only because I was a guy who ran the Trump organization that didn't have the same constitutional protections, you know, that my father had.

00:08:04.820 They took us off of YouTube. They took us off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.

00:08:09.060 They did everything they could.

00:08:10.720 They de-platformed us, Shopify, everybody, the businesses.

00:08:14.060 They de-banked us.

00:08:15.340 They did everything they could to kill us, to bankrupt us, to hide us, to remove our voice, to make sure that the family got torn apart as they're raiding Melania's room at Mar-a-Lago,

00:08:24.840 as they're raiding, you know, a 16-year-old kid's room at Mar-a-Lago, Baron's room at the time.

00:08:30.520 You know, I mean, they did everything they could.

00:08:32.560 And then they and then I get to hear CNN talk about how, you know, Donald Trump is weaponizing law enforcement because it seems pretty clear, you know, that that Letitia James, you know, lied on her mortgage application, did exactly what she accused us of doing.

00:08:45.160 By the way, the entire penalty, as as you know, Megan, got reversed by the, you know, by the appellate courts of New York 5-0.

00:08:51.980 You know, what's amazing about the Democrats, they always dig so deep that they find themselves.

00:08:57.420 Right. I mean, Hillary did that with Russia. 1.00

00:09:00.100 Right. She did that with Russia. You know, Donald Trump is colluding with Russia until they start digging into it.

00:09:05.200 And they realize that, you know, the only ties anybody had to Russia was actually, you know, Hillary.

00:09:10.880 And, you know, she's doing it. Letitia is doing the exact same thing. 0.64

00:09:13.820 They do this every single time.

00:09:15.840 Letitia James put out that video, which I referenced in the intro.

00:09:19.560 I am fearless. I am fearless. And she referenced that absurd judgment she got in a civil court stacked with a bunch of far left progressive New York jurors.

00:09:31.040 Although, actually, that was the criminal case. This was Judge Engeron, who was even farther to the left.

00:09:34.980 So she gets this verdict. And then it's so out of whack that it gets reversed by the Court of Appeals, the New York State Court of Appeals, well, the appellate division right above her, the district court.

00:09:45.400 And that the whole word gets blown out.

00:09:49.140 They said this is absolutely absurd. But technically, the judgment has stood for now.

00:09:54.960 So that's still going to go up. But she is talking about that award like it's been untouched, like it stands inviolate in this same video.

00:10:04.680 Let me play it for you.

00:10:06.520 This is nothing more than a continuation of the president's desperate weaponization of our justice system.

00:10:14.040 He is forcing federal law enforcement agencies to do his bidding.

00:10:19.020 All because I did my job as the New York State Attorney General.

00:10:24.960 These charges are baseless. And the president's own public statements make clear that his only goal is political retribution at any cost.

00:10:36.020 I stand strongly behind my office's litigation against the Trump Organization.

00:10:41.120 Judges have upheld the trial court's finding that Donald Trump, his company and his two sons are liable for fraud.

00:10:50.560 I'm a proud woman of faith. And I know that faith and fear cannot share the same space.

00:10:57.940 Oh, Lord.

00:10:58.840 And so today I'm not fearful. I'm fearless.

00:11:02.540 First of all, just the drama with which that is delivered.

00:11:07.520 She's an actress, Eric. She's she's pretending to be this strong, fierce woman who would never back down to Donald Trump.

00:11:14.180 Meanwhile, she's a bully. 1.00

00:11:15.000 I'll never forget walking into our office for one of the depositions and this law enforcement officer came up to me, this guy who had been in the office for 30 years.

00:11:23.380 And he goes, Eric, I've been in this office for 30 years and now I work for Letitia James.

00:11:27.960 And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This office is a national embarrassment.

00:11:32.220 It is an embarrassment to me. It's an embarrassment to New York State. 0.56

00:11:35.940 And I'm just I want to say I'm sorry. This is a man that that literally worked for her.

00:11:41.340 She campaigned on the promise and fundraised on the promise of going into the office every single day of attorney general, suing Donald Trump and then going home.

00:11:49.140 I mean, it was it was widespread.

00:11:50.840 That was literally her entire campaign promise was suing him, going home. 0.97

00:11:54.880 Right. Her exact quote was, I'm going to go in.

00:11:57.300 I'm going to be a real pain in his ass. Right. 1.00

00:11:59.560 He's going to know my name personally.

00:12:01.120 He's going to know Tish James. Right.

00:12:03.160 That's right. She goes after Cuomo, throws Cuomo out of the governorship only to run for governor three weeks later.

00:12:08.320 Now, she had zero support and zero fundraising and no one liked her.

00:12:11.520 So, you know, she ended that race in about three days. 1.00

00:12:13.880 But I mean, all she's ever done is play identity politics.

00:12:18.000 And all she's ever done is weaponize her office against political adversaries or, you know, in furtherance of her career. 1.00

00:12:24.320 Make no mistake. Had Kamala won, you don't think she would be attorney general of the United States right now?

00:12:29.500 I do. That's exactly what she wanted.

00:12:32.380 No different than she wanted to no different than she wanted to climb the ladder, Megan, of being governor of New York state until she realized that she had zero support.

00:12:40.580 Mm hmm. There's a lot to get to on this front, but I want to keep going because I really do want to talk about the book.

00:12:45.860 I thought it was fascinating. It's called Under Siege.

00:12:47.960 It's by Eric Trump. Get your preorder now.

00:12:50.000 We've got to make sure he debuts at the top of The New York Times bestseller list because The Times will do everything within its power to stop it, which is why it's fun.

00:12:57.180 Eric doesn't really need that honor, but we want to give it to him because it's fun to make them give it to members of the Trump family in particular, but any conservative under siege by yours today.

00:13:06.660 I'm telling you, I personally read the whole thing cover to cover.

00:13:09.260 It's so interesting because you get so personal about your family, all members of your family, your own personal experience in the lead up to both campaigns.

00:13:17.800 So I'll get to that one second. But first, let me just ask you about the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:13:21.380 Amazingly, your dad did not win it. Instead, the committee has given it to this opposition leader in Venezuela who's been in hiding.

00:13:30.440 And here was their explanation at the Nobel Committee.

00:13:34.240 The chair, Jorgen Watney Friedenes, trying to justify why it didn't go to Donald Trump.

00:13:40.200 In the long history of the Nobel Peace Prize, I think this committee have seen any type of campaign media attention.

00:13:49.720 We receive thousands and thousands of letters every year of people wanting to say what for them leads to peace.

00:13:57.860 This committee sits in a room filled with the portraits of all laureates, and that room is filled with both courage and integrity.

00:14:06.400 So we base only our decision on the work and the will of Alfred Nobel.

00:14:12.860 OK, your thoughts on your dad not being chosen.

00:14:17.320 Well, listen, I think it's sad. I mean, Megan, I see a kind of a world that very few people get to see because I'm in the room with him a lot.

00:14:24.800 Right. And I've personally seen him end worse. Right. I mean, my hand to God.

00:14:28.320 I've personally seen him, you know, with the whole Cambodia situation and Thailand.

00:14:32.420 Everybody remembers that. I remember him calling both leaders.

00:14:35.020 I was sitting right next to him. We were in Scotland together and he called both leaders.

00:14:38.680 He's going back and forth. He stopped that war. He stopped with the artillery guys. Stop it.

00:14:42.480 You're the biggest traitors of the United States. I promise I will not take kindly. 0.99

00:14:46.420 And sure enough, in a matter of an hour, I can't tell you how many kids, how many young men primarily lives were saved by not charging at each other on a war that was a tinderbox.

00:14:56.760 Right. You saw that with India and Pakistan as well. You saw him get involved.

00:15:00.920 You saw him call Modi. You saw him literally disarm that entire war.

00:15:04.560 Again, how many hundreds of thousands of people, potentially millions of people would have would have died there.

00:15:09.280 And then you see him pull off the impossible. You know, I mean, between the Jews, the Muslims, the entire Middle East, which which has been such a difficult situation, create the Abraham Accords, create total and lasting peace.

00:15:21.660 Make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon, which they would use against the Western world. 0.99

00:15:25.500 Make no mistake about it. And if, Megan, they didn't use it, believe me, one of their proxies would use it, you know, and yet, you know, he gets zero recognition.

00:15:34.540 Yet, you know, Barack Hussein Obama is getting the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing.

00:15:38.500 And every American leader who sent our kids to war, who spent, what, nine trillion dollars on wars in the Middle East, you know, where they blow up a school.

00:15:47.560 Then they would rebuild it three days later. Then they blow up the same school again. Right.

00:15:51.140 Those are the guys getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:15:53.360 But it was really interesting. Putin just put out a message, put out he put out a whole tweet about this or in a statement.

00:16:00.040 And he goes, listen, the Nobel Peace Prize, they've just they're not what they used to be.

00:16:04.060 I mean, they've just it's it's not the same.

00:16:06.380 You know, people who have never accomplished anything or giving the Nobel Peace Prize to people who, you know, haven't accomplished nearly as much as Donald Trump has.

00:16:14.480 And it's definitely it's become a joke.

00:16:16.120 And it died when they gave it to Obama for literally just taking office and doing speeches, trying to flagellate America, just saying we went on his apology tour throughout Europe, saying we're so sorry. 0.98

00:16:27.260 We suck. And they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize for his speeches. 0.62

00:16:31.700 Meanwhile, your dad is actually saving lives, literally saving lives and achieving something.

00:16:36.520 No other president has been able to achieve in the Middle East.

00:16:40.400 Eh. OK. We're not interested.

00:16:44.340 We look around this storied room and we see the posters of laureates.

00:16:49.980 The committee sits in a room filled with the portraits of laureates of both courage and integrity.

00:16:56.320 And obviously the implication is, you know, a little history lesson.

00:17:00.200 Alfred Nobel actually created dynamite. Right.

00:17:02.280 So, you know, yeah, he did. They seem to forget that. Right.

00:17:06.300 I mean, obviously an amazing guy in his own own right.

00:17:08.600 But it's it's give me a give me a break. Right.

00:17:10.640 And what's big into the oil business, too.

00:17:13.260 What's even more surprising is when the leaders on both sides of a conflict say he deserves it.

00:17:17.580 Right. Like it's, you know, forget about the people sitting in Norway, sitting in Oslo where they do the award.

00:17:23.540 Right. Forget about those people.

00:17:24.520 Like how about the fact that people on both sides of that conflict say he deserved it, that leaders on both sides of the India-Pakistan conflict said that he deserved it.

00:17:33.820 People on both sides of the Thailand-Cambodia conflict said he deserves it. 0.99

00:17:38.800 I mean, these are the people that that, you know, didn't go to war based on his actions.

00:17:43.620 And by the way, there's there's plenty more.

00:17:44.840 I mean, he deserves it for cleaning up the streets of Washington, D.C., our nation's capital and keeping, what, you know, 10 kids from dying every single week to gun violence.

00:17:53.600 He deserves it just for for that alone, let alone all these conflicts around the world that he's, you know, he's ending.

00:17:58.780 And one last thing, even the conflicts that aren't ended right now, right, Russia and Ukraine, who's worked harder at trying to end those conflicts than Donald Trump?

00:18:06.780 I mean, this guy has has has put every ounce of his energy and soul into ending those conflicts.

00:18:13.360 And it's it's like not giving Michael Jordan the MVP award.

00:18:17.960 Like, OK, he doesn't need the award.

00:18:19.660 Everybody knows he's the MVP.

00:18:21.780 You know, Trump doesn't need this to to make him realize that he truly is a peacemaker.

00:18:27.180 He's being celebrated around the world for it.

00:18:29.220 But it embarrasses the Nobel Committee.

00:18:31.960 You can end my sentence.

00:18:33.420 Everything woke goes to.

00:18:35.260 Right.

00:18:35.600 You know, I'll leave the blank out.

00:18:37.980 But, you know, look at the Emmys.

00:18:39.700 Look at the Oscars.

00:18:40.400 Look at look at all these things that became politicized.

00:18:42.240 You know, and guess what?

00:18:43.440 They have no meaning anymore.

00:18:44.620 And I hope that's not the case, because there should be a place in this world for people that do beautiful things to get recognized.

00:18:51.080 And that's I really thought this would be higher than that.

00:18:53.800 And unfortunately, it's not.

00:18:55.520 And I think what will happen is the award will go by the wayside when people know and realize that.

00:19:01.940 And so it's actually kind of a sad thing for humanity.

00:19:03.780 I actually don't like to see this at all.

00:19:06.220 You're not wrong.

00:19:06.700 So how about Barack Obama taking two days to issue a statement about this peace deal in the Middle East and then go waxing poetic about how, well, we're really going to have to see whether there is a lasting peace and both sides live up to their two words.

00:19:20.700 It's not mentioned in his lengthy tweet.

00:19:23.160 Donald Trump.

00:19:24.680 Yeah.

00:19:25.020 Thank you.

00:19:25.400 And thank you.

00:19:26.160 I'll give you another.

00:19:27.040 I'll give you another two words.

00:19:28.160 Thank you, Donald Trump.

00:19:29.640 We can make this four words.

00:19:31.300 But no, I think that's right.

00:19:32.120 I mean, I looked at that tweet and I go, man, it did chat GPT write this thing.

00:19:35.440 It's all it's all nonsense. 0.66

00:19:36.500 It's all fluff. 0.72

00:19:37.080 Right.

00:19:37.240 And honestly, I spent a lot of time talking about this in the book.

00:19:42.660 I do like the difference between people of action and people of words.

00:19:46.240 Right.

00:19:46.500 You know, it's kind of funny.

00:19:47.500 Did you ever see a clip where, you know, Barack Obama's talking about getting, you know, bin Laden and my father's talking about getting, you know, al-Baghdadi.

00:19:55.700 And he died like a dog. 0.97

00:19:57.420 He died like a dog. 0.97

00:19:58.620 Right.

00:19:58.760 There's a lot of shooting.

00:19:59.600 You know, the guy was the guy was crying.

00:20:01.140 We didn't go through the front door.

00:20:02.380 Like, who doesn't go through the front door? 0.99

00:20:03.620 We blew a hole in the damn wall and we went and got them. 0.97

00:20:06.120 But, like, it's the difference between a person of action and a person of just kind of poetry and words. 0.99

00:20:11.280 And this country is seeing a person of action.

00:20:13.240 And it's beautiful.

00:20:14.360 Like, I'm so proud of that as a son.

00:20:16.020 Right.

00:20:16.260 It's, you know, forget about the pleasantries.

00:20:18.500 Forget about the pleasantries. 0.99

00:20:19.760 Just get the damn job done. 0.99

00:20:21.280 That's what Americans want. 1.00

00:20:22.180 That's what Americans expect.

00:20:23.160 That's how we got to that's how we got to a moon.

00:20:25.320 That's how we won the world wars.

00:20:26.820 Right.

00:20:27.100 You know, that's how we became the superpower of the world. 0.99

00:20:29.280 We just we got the damn job done. 0.81

00:20:31.420 We do that better than anybody in the world in terms of capitalism. 0.98

00:20:33.660 We just get the you know, we invent the products.

00:20:36.120 And get the job done.

00:20:37.640 And, you know, I read that.

00:20:39.240 I'm sitting there saying, you know, that was put into chat GPT.

00:20:41.620 These flowery nonsense, you know, statements.

00:20:44.120 And how about your brother in law, Jared Kushner, getting off the couch because he he's working,

00:20:48.220 but he didn't want to do politics in Trump 2.0 with Steve Wyckoff going over there and actually helping negotiate this thing.

00:20:54.080 I was saying on the show yesterday, Eric, to me, it's no surprise that you've got three real estate guys really running point on it.

00:21:01.020 Your dad, Wyckoff and Kushner, because real estate guys know how to cut deals.

00:21:05.620 Yeah, that's right.

00:21:08.060 You know, and they're also respected.

00:21:09.620 You know, that's the difference.

00:21:10.420 I mean, they go over.

00:21:11.820 You'd have, you know, back to Obama for a second.

00:21:13.880 You have Obama flying to China.

00:21:15.120 They wouldn't even bring a staircase up to the plane.

00:21:16.680 Do you remember that?

00:21:17.260 I mean, I think you covered it probably as well as anybody, Megan.

00:21:19.360 Do you remember he had to go out to like the kid's stairs on the bottom of Air Force One?

00:21:22.060 You know, there was no red carpets.

00:21:24.220 There's no anything.

00:21:24.760 My father goes over to China and, you know, I mean, half of China shows up.

00:21:28.000 They've got the most incredible, you know, receiving lines you've ever seen.

00:21:32.160 He goes over to Saudi Arabia and they've got the 5,000 white horses and the swordsmen and everything else, right?

00:21:37.080 And, you know, the lack of respect that they had toward these other administrations versus the total respect that they have for my father is just, you know, it's night and day.

00:21:45.600 And so they can credibly get people in the room.

00:21:47.560 By the way, people that they actually built real friendships with and legitimate relations with, you know, and negotiate this.

00:21:53.820 And I give them a lot of credit.

00:21:55.660 Listen, you know, obviously Steve Wyckoff is Jewish.

00:21:58.400 Jared Kushner, as you know, my brother-in-law is Jewish.

00:22:01.900 And yet, you know, they walk into Muslim countries and they do so with total respect and admiration and friendship and love.

00:22:09.900 And they get a job done.

00:22:11.380 And I think that's a beautiful thing.

00:22:13.640 Yeah, same.

00:22:14.500 What a week for the country and your family.

00:22:16.420 All right, and now you put a period at the end of it as you launch the pre-sales of this book, Under Siege.

00:22:24.060 I'm going to start in a weird place, but can we talk about your mom?

00:22:28.040 Your mom, Ivana Trump, because that story just really jumped out at me.

00:22:33.600 She's kind of the unsung hero of the Trump family, of course, because your dad's so famous and so powerful.

00:22:39.800 But you all seem to have really been close with your mom.

00:22:43.440 And I didn't realize that you were the first one over to her townhome after she had died, after a fall down the stairs.

00:22:51.080 So, you know, Megan, I think you're the first person that read this book outside of a very, very close circle.

00:22:56.020 And I mean, like, like three people.

00:22:57.820 And so this is actually probably the first time I'm telling that story.

00:23:00.400 I got pretty granular and I got pretty raw in terms of our family.

00:23:05.140 I'm beyond the point of holding, you know, holding back on certain things.

00:23:08.660 But my mom was an amazing woman. 0.95

00:23:10.160 I mean, Olympic skier, a runway model.

00:23:12.140 I mean, she was on the cover of every single, whether it's Esquire a hundred times, Vogue a hundred times.

00:23:16.680 I mean, you name it.

00:23:17.900 She was, I mean, they were the ultimate power couple in the world.

00:23:20.780 And she was an amazing woman.

00:23:22.060 But, man, was she tough and in a good way.

00:23:24.540 I mean, we got out of line as a kid.

00:23:26.240 She would grab you by the neck, her long fake nails that go into your neck and you would get a beating. 1.00

00:23:31.660 And it was the best thing that ever happened to us.

00:23:33.240 I say that in the most affectionate way.

00:23:34.620 But, I mean, you know, she would keep her very type A kids, as you can probably tell from who we are.

00:23:38.900 And she kept them in line and taught us manners and work ethic and responsibility. 0.99

00:23:43.580 And, you know, she fell to alcoholism.

00:23:45.940 And it's not something that we've spent a whole lot of time talking about.

00:23:48.640 But, you know, my father was always that guy, no drinking, no drugs, no smoking.

00:23:52.260 I talk about that in the book.

00:23:53.220 But he was always, you know, but we saw that firsthand with my mom.

00:23:56.720 You know, she had a drinking problem at the later stages of her life.

00:24:00.260 And, you know, I found her dead in her townhome and, you know, cleaned up the entire mess.

00:24:05.760 But she was an amazing woman.

00:24:07.100 I mean, she was truly, I mean, she had all the European kind of glamour but came in and America was her home. 0.99

00:24:13.240 I mean, you know, and she had no tolerance for people who didn't do it the right way.

00:24:16.980 You know, she loved America and she was the best of America.

00:24:21.480 And you tell a story about your high school graduation.

00:24:25.040 Can you repeat that?

00:24:25.960 It's so funny.

00:24:26.700 She had another engagement that she really wanted to go to.

00:24:29.860 This made me laugh because we're in such a parachute, Molly coddling phase of American parenthood.

00:24:35.720 And people always look at your family and say, how did all those kids turn out so well with all that money and fame?

00:24:40.740 Like, usually those kids go wayward.

00:24:42.580 You guys didn't.

00:24:43.280 And I actually think your mom gets a lot of the credit for just not, you know, being totally drunk on the wine that the children were producing.

00:24:51.720 Oh, no question.

00:24:52.480 She was tough and she kept us in line.

00:24:54.220 I mean, she absolutely kept us in line.

00:24:55.180 She showed us the whole world.

00:24:56.180 I mean, she really did.

00:24:56.920 She was amazing.

00:24:58.040 But she also made us work. 0.99

00:24:59.300 But, yeah, it was my high school graduation.

00:25:01.140 I called her up.

00:25:01.640 I was at boarding school.

00:25:02.260 I called her up on 1-800-COLLECT.

00:25:04.060 I'll never forget this.

00:25:04.820 And I go, Mom, here are the dates for my graduation.

00:25:07.220 You know, just mark it in the Rolodex, you know, put it in the calendar.

00:25:10.920 And she goes, hold on one second.

00:25:13.040 That's the Monte Carlo Grand Prix.

00:25:14.440 Now, if you're European, that's like the Super Bowl and Augusta and everything else combined into one, right? 0.98

00:25:19.300 Like, that's like the holy grail.

00:25:20.400 That's MLB.

00:25:21.260 That's NBA and everything combined into one.

00:25:23.060 Every European loves the Monte Carlo Grand Prix.

00:25:25.920 And she goes, honey, that's Monte Carlo Grand Prix.

00:25:28.300 I go, Mom, this is my graduation.

00:25:29.700 And her exact line was, Eric. 0.99

00:25:31.240 Like, every effing, but she used the real world, every effing moron graduates from high school, get over it. 1.00

00:25:37.400 And she never came to my high school graduation. 0.98

00:25:39.200 But yet, Megan, this was a woman that adored me, right?

00:25:42.660 Like, this wasn't like a broken household where my mom didn't love me to death.

00:25:46.620 But it's like, you know.

00:25:47.140 No, you knew she loved you.

00:25:48.680 Now, just so you know, I could have been graduating with a doctorate degree from MIT and not high school, right?

00:25:53.680 And she probably would have used the exact same thing. 0.84

00:25:55.700 Same result. 1.00

00:25:56.240 Jeffing moron, you know, graduates from MIT with a doctorate degree. 1.00

00:26:00.040 But same result. 0.99

00:26:01.300 But she was an amazing woman.

00:26:02.520 She was a powerhouse.

00:26:03.700 Really, really good at real estate.

00:26:05.260 She was kind of the, you know, certainly the right-hand person to everything that my father did, you know, early in the career.

00:26:11.100 And my father loves her.

00:26:13.040 I mean, he loves her.

00:26:14.420 And I'll never forget, I think I mentioned this story in the book, but every single day, you know, you'd have Anderson Cooper go knock on her townhouse door.

00:26:21.520 They wanted Ivana Trump to say anything negative about Donald Trump in the first campaign.

00:26:25.640 This was in 2016.

00:26:27.640 And she just flipped them off. 1.00

00:26:29.020 She gave them zero time of day.

00:26:30.580 And she loved my father.

00:26:31.700 And then finally, one day, she opened up the door.

00:26:34.320 And, you know, Ivana, we want an interview.

00:26:36.780 We want to know everything about Donald Trump.

00:26:38.400 You know, how do you think he's going to be as a president?

00:26:40.640 And she said something so funny that made my father laugh.

00:26:43.120 She goes, terrible husband, but, man, will that guy be the greatest president in the entire world?

00:26:47.780 You watch.

00:26:48.480 You mark my words.

00:26:49.480 And it was such like an Ivana Trump type quote, you know, just so—

00:26:52.520 It's classic.

00:26:53.240 —so honest.

00:26:54.340 And that's how I wrote the book.

00:26:55.600 I mean, maybe this is the first time I've ever really thought about it, but maybe it was a lot of that free spirit that she had where she just said what was ever on her mind.

00:27:02.940 That's exactly how I approached this book.

00:27:04.800 I did not miss words.

00:27:06.040 It's going to ruffle a lot of feathers, I think.

00:27:07.980 You'll be the first one to attest to that when it comes out.

00:27:10.160 But—and also beyond that, I'm getting probably deeper than I should.

00:27:14.480 It was actually a very cathartic process given that the absolute hell that they put us through.

00:27:18.680 Mm-hmm.

00:27:19.200 I know because when you're going through it, you know, the shells are coming down upon you.

00:27:22.920 You just have to keep going.

00:27:23.960 You have to just survive.

00:27:24.840 And it's almost like you're kind of still there because your dad's currently president, but the law fair is over and, like, the impeachments are over and, you know, God willing, the assassination attempts have passed.

00:27:36.980 And so maybe it was the perfect time to just take a deep breath, exhale, and take stock of where you are at this point in your young life.

00:27:45.600 Like, you've been through a lot.

00:27:47.280 I mean, even without your dad running for president, you could have written a very interesting memoir.

00:27:51.960 You were writing about the helicopter rides to Atlantic City with all these famous celebrities when you were a kid.

00:27:58.620 And, I mean, Trump was king of the world before he was president of the United States, and you had a front-row seat.

00:28:03.940 You were part of it.

00:28:05.520 Yeah, and then I had a front-row seat in that, you know, he sat me down in November of 2016.

00:28:10.200 You know, I was 33 years old.

00:28:11.320 He goes, Eric, I want you to take over the empire.

00:28:12.660 I want you to take over, you know, the company.

00:28:14.300 You know, you've built all our buildings.

00:28:15.580 You've managed all our teams.

00:28:17.260 You know, I want you to head it off.

00:28:18.980 And I go, this is amazing, right?

00:28:20.220 I'll continue to build our hotels.

00:28:21.520 I'll continue to build the golf courses, the residential buildings, commercial buildings.

00:28:24.560 I mean, I have real estate in my DNA.

00:28:26.060 I get into a lot of the stories in the book, obviously, about growing up on construction sites starting at 11.

00:28:30.300 And, Megan, never did I realize that 90% of my time was going to be, you know, keeping the animals off of our back.

00:28:36.380 I mean, when I got that call from, you know, the New York Times, Washington Post, Eric, there are secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with the Kremlin.

00:28:43.640 I literally started laughing.

00:28:44.820 You've got to be kidding me.

00:28:45.980 They perpetrated that hoax.

00:28:47.440 I go, first of all, we're like cloud-based computing, right?

00:28:49.440 So, first of all, we don't really even have servers.

00:28:50.980 Second of all, you don't put servers in basements because basements flood.

00:28:53.800 Like, let's get to the basics.

00:28:54.740 Third of all, I'm like, why don't you come over to Trump Tower?

00:28:56.800 Like, I'll walk into any basement in Trump Tower. 0.87

00:29:00.920 They'll be impeccable because I'm a very anal retentive person.

00:29:03.620 But, like, you're not going to find any servers.

00:29:05.320 I mean, it was all a made-up hoax, and they allowed that to perpetrate for years and years.

00:29:09.000 But, again, because I didn't have constitutional protections, I wasn't in the executive branch, I became the pinata to the full force of the Letitia Jameses, as ironic as that is that we're talking about this the day after.

00:29:19.400 And, you know, every single one of those—I mean, I was getting a subpoena every single day.

00:29:25.560 I was sitting in a deposition every single day.

00:29:27.700 I became the most subpoenaed person in American history.

00:29:29.520 I spent $400 million, $400 million defending from just totally insane attacks, i.e., you know, having servers communicating with Putin, which was nuts, right?

00:29:42.120 And all the attacks from Hillary and everything else.

00:29:44.180 And I remember being in the courthouse with my father.

00:29:46.460 I never left his side, Megan.

00:29:48.020 Every single day he was in the courts in downtown New York, I was next to him.

00:29:51.380 And I remember when they read off those 34 felony convictions, and he stood up.

00:29:55.800 He turned around.

00:29:56.780 We shook hands.

00:29:57.540 We walked out proudly.

00:29:58.400 And we were in the car.

00:29:59.460 And I say this in the book.

00:30:01.160 He said, honey, I don't know how.

00:30:02.800 It was the lowest moment of all of them, right?

00:30:05.320 I don't know how, but somehow we're going to win this.

00:30:07.660 And he didn't just mean the court case.

00:30:08.880 He meant the entire presidency.

00:30:10.020 And I looked at him.

00:30:11.680 I go, Dad, it's either the White House or it's two jail cells for us, right?

00:30:16.360 Because that's what they wanted.

00:30:17.660 And having never done anything wrong, I've never gotten so much as a speeding ticket, right?

00:30:21.580 It was either the White House or they were going to throw us in jail.

00:30:24.380 And that's the story of Under Siege.

00:30:25.880 But they weren't just doing it to our family.

00:30:28.000 They were doing it to the entire country.

00:30:29.380 When they were weaponizing the IRS against religious institutions, against pastors, against churches,

00:30:34.900 when they were deplatforming people, when they were debanking people,

00:30:37.780 when they were taking people off of Facebook and Instagram and turning down their voices

00:30:42.800 and violating the First Amendment right, when they were passing up really good, capable people

00:30:49.220 for jobs because of DEI hires, where people's careers were totally set back.

00:30:55.620 I mean, they were coming after all of us.

00:30:58.140 They were coming after not just our family.

00:30:59.880 We might have been the tip of the spear, but they were coming after. 0.90

00:31:01.820 Megan, they came after you.

00:31:03.640 They came after every network that you ever worked on or worked for.

00:31:08.800 They came after your employees. 0.59

00:31:10.240 They came after your friends.

00:31:12.040 You know why?

00:31:12.440 Because you were allowed independent voice that they otherwise couldn't control.

00:31:15.800 How about sending the FBI into church meetings and trying to sick them on parents at school

00:31:21.040 board meetings?

00:31:21.800 I mean, the weaponization while Joe Biden was president was truly unprecedented.

00:31:26.300 They want to say that word about your dad and his administration now, unprecedented.

00:31:30.000 No, no, it's what is happening to Chish James is far from unprecedented.

00:31:34.580 It's exactly precedented.

00:31:36.340 And it wasn't that too long ago that we don't all remember it.

00:31:39.560 Just rounding back to growing up as your dad's son and how real estate is in your DNA.

00:31:45.120 I learned a lot about you in this book.

00:31:47.080 I did not know about Frank Sanzo.

00:31:49.680 I love the story about how you and your dad first saw this guy.

00:31:54.040 Can you tell that story?

00:31:54.820 We were driving in his Rolls Royce through Bedford, New York, an area you probably know.

00:32:00.900 Your dad's.

00:32:01.240 I'll never forget.

00:32:02.500 My father's Rolls Royce.

00:32:03.660 And we're going to one of our properties.

00:32:05.340 And he sees this lone stonemason on the side of the road.

00:32:08.460 And he pulls over and he goes, Eric, that's the most beautiful wall I've ever seen.

00:32:11.500 And he pulls up next to the guy and he goes, hi, my name is Donald Trump.

00:32:14.300 And the guy obviously knew who he was.

00:32:16.440 He goes, that's the most incredible stone wall.

00:32:17.840 And we're sitting there talking about masonry and bluestone versus granite versus brownstone, et cetera, et cetera.

00:32:25.980 And finally, my father goes, I want to give you all my work.

00:32:27.960 You're amazing.

00:32:28.440 You're so talented.

00:32:29.300 I want to give you my work.

00:32:30.160 So Frank came into our life.

00:32:33.000 And I worked for Frank every single summer.

00:32:35.620 And this guy, I mean, it was Marlboro Reds and it was pots of coffee.

00:32:38.980 And he would literally make, and I say this in the book, he would mock you if you wore gloves, right?

00:32:43.120 I mean, as you're doing stonework, like, you know, you're laying patios and this is like, this isn't like marble.

00:32:49.220 Like, this isn't like tile work.

00:32:50.320 This is like serious stonework.

00:32:52.040 Rough.

00:32:52.420 And if you were wearing gloves, he would mock you.

00:32:54.080 At the end of the day, he'd give you a couple of drops of olive oil because he's like, olive oil could cure everything.

00:32:58.480 It would cure cancer.

00:32:59.400 It would cure every problem.

00:33:00.880 But just this hard Italian guy who was amazing.

00:33:04.260 And I grew up working for him every single summer.

00:33:06.240 And, you know, construction is in my DNA.

00:33:08.700 And many of the guys that I worked for back then still work for me today.

00:33:11.460 And it's an amazing family.

00:33:13.440 It's an amazing community.

00:33:14.340 It's an amazing, you know, company.

00:33:16.720 And, you know, he was a very special guy in our life.

00:33:19.280 I mean, little did you know that you were going to need that tough skin in more ways than one, right?

00:33:23.680 I mean, New York real estate is no, you know, that's not for softies. 0.99

00:33:27.200 But presidential politics, as they always say, it's not beanbag.

00:33:30.960 And we've heard this story a bit before.

00:33:33.560 But can you talk a bit about how your dad, when he called the whole family together before the first run and had the meeting and said, this is the moment we're going to find out who our real friends are?

00:33:45.860 He called me and he goes, honey, get the kids.

00:33:49.680 We were on the 25th floor of Trump Tower.

00:33:51.020 He was on the 26th floor.

00:33:52.100 He goes, get the kids, come up to the office.

00:33:53.640 So I bring up Ivanka and Don.

00:33:55.600 And he looks at us and he goes, you know, kids, I'm going to do this.

00:33:59.300 And then he said, let's do this, right?

00:34:00.600 And that was everything, Megan, we had ever done, we had done together, right?

00:34:03.000 Whether it's the real estate world, the golf world, the hotel world, you know, the residential buildings.

00:34:06.520 Obviously, I was on seven seasons of The Apprentice.

00:34:08.820 And he goes, let's do this.

00:34:09.980 And we didn't know a damn thing about politics.

00:34:11.360 In fact, you come into the story in a meaningful way because I never forget getting a call from my father.

00:34:15.160 I read this.

00:34:16.420 I never forget getting a call from my father.

00:34:18.380 And he goes, honey, Megan's going to kill me on illegal, on the immigration comments or something.

00:34:22.900 He's like, I need somebody who's going to defend me on the show tonight, right? 0.79

00:34:26.360 And I go, Pop, I don't know a damn thing about, like, I certainly not, like, I know nothing about immigration in America.

00:34:32.460 Like, I built hotels, right? 0.90

00:34:33.380 What the hell do I know about immigration?

00:34:34.800 We hardly knew what a delegate was. 0.51

00:34:36.380 We hardly knew what a caucus was, let alone, you know, freaking anything.

00:34:39.000 And I remember I was debating on your show.

00:34:41.300 I think there were a couple of illegal immigrants on the thing. 0.88

00:34:43.320 I was, like, the center box.

00:34:44.640 And, I mean, if you want to talk about faking it until you make it, like, I think it was my first experience in politics with you, Megan.

00:34:51.740 And we've built a great friendship ever since.

00:34:54.420 But I just never forget that.

00:34:56.360 And we did it as a family.

00:34:57.600 And normally the first rule of politics is keep your family the hell out of politics, right?

00:35:01.520 And they certainly didn't let, you know, Hunter up on that stage, and I think for a reason.

00:35:05.500 And then, but, I mean, what a wild ride.

00:35:09.140 But as he was coming, yeah.

00:35:09.980 And did you find out who your friends were?

00:35:12.540 Yeah, at the end of that statement, he said, you know what, we're going to find out who our true friends are.

00:35:16.400 And they are going to come after us so viciously, you have no idea.

00:35:20.300 And we found out who our true friends were.

00:35:22.140 And, you know, in the art of the deal, he spent a lot of time talking about the days where his phone stopped ringing.

00:35:27.980 And wow, did I find, you know, wow, did I learn that kind of the hard way.

00:35:32.020 I mean, we saw that in 2020, you know, the phones just stopped ringing.

00:35:35.140 And the very few people who are around us, most of them are in the cabinet today.

00:35:38.600 I mean, that's where you really get a great test of kind of loyalty and who's there for you and who really loves you and who has backbone and spine.

00:35:45.900 But we saw days where the phones rang off the hooks, right?

00:35:49.020 You know, from people you had never heard from before.

00:35:50.820 That's every time we won an election about three seconds later.

00:35:52.860 And then you had those very dark, dark, dark, quiet days where the phones stopped ringing.

00:35:58.040 And we found out who our true friends are.

00:36:00.840 I can peg every single person in my life and know exactly who they are and whether they were there for us or not.

00:36:06.640 And it's very hard for me to forget that.

00:36:10.320 You also write about the first moment you got a call from Air Force One.

00:36:15.800 This is so fun.

00:36:16.820 There's so many great anecdotes.

00:36:18.020 The book is called Under Siege by Eric Trump.

00:36:20.120 It's out on Tuesday.

00:36:20.980 Pre-order it now, so you make sure you get one of the first wave copies.

00:36:24.620 But how cool is that and what went down?

00:36:28.140 Yeah, I got a call from Air Force One.

00:36:29.640 I got a call from a scrambled number on my phone.

00:36:31.720 I normally don't pick those up, but I figured it might be something a little – and I picked it up.

00:36:36.020 And the first words that come across the phone were, you know, Mr. Trump, this is Commander Air Force One, the President of the United States.

00:36:42.960 And my father had already picked up the phone, so he was already on the line.

00:36:46.120 And we both started laughing.

00:36:47.880 He goes, honey, can you freaking believe this?

00:36:49.440 He's like, can you believe it?

00:36:50.560 I'm like, no, I can't quite believe it.

00:36:52.180 This is a little surreal to me.

00:36:54.660 And, you know, not too long after we went to Buckingham Palace, we were there with the late great queen who my father loved and we all loved and I think the whole world loved.

00:37:02.320 And we show up at Buckingham Palace, come in on Marine One.

00:37:05.460 We're waiting there, you know, for the queen.

00:37:07.000 The helicopters are taking off from these incredible immaculate lawns.

00:37:10.040 And, you know, he looks over at Don and myself.

00:37:12.680 He goes, can you freaking believe this?

00:37:14.120 Like, you know, how did we find ourselves here, right?

00:37:16.240 I mean, we were – listen, we were really good at building buildings, right?

00:37:19.660 We were really good in the business world.

00:37:21.620 We were good at everything we did.

00:37:22.700 I mean, as I said before, I think we had been in Washington, D.C. about 15 times.

00:37:26.500 Maybe I was in D.C. a little bit more because I went to school there and then I built a hotel there.

00:37:30.060 But I think my father was in D.C. like 10 times before actually becoming, you know, commander-in-chief of the United States.

00:37:37.180 This wasn't our world.

00:37:38.260 This wasn't our ecosystem.

00:37:39.340 These weren't our people.

00:37:40.160 We didn't have any, you know, we didn't have any endorsements.

00:37:43.300 I mean, you remember, Megan.

00:37:44.540 I mean, how many endorsements do we have in 2017?

00:37:47.700 Like Jeff Sessions and, like, maybe that's it?

00:37:50.300 I mean, we had zero.

00:37:52.100 And it was my father.

00:37:53.380 It was Don, myself.

00:37:54.160 You know, like that was it.

00:37:56.820 You know, we crisscrossed the country.

00:37:58.240 You know, being the son of a president has its perks.

00:38:01.580 Like when you think about, you know, the almost five years that you've been in that role so far, is there one or two, like something that comes to mind?

00:38:09.480 Like, now that was a cool experience.

00:38:11.160 Like that I recommend to everybody.

00:38:13.420 Yeah.

00:38:13.860 Listen, Marine One is always amazing.

00:38:15.720 You know, you fly in, you know, under the pitchness of darkness.

00:38:19.520 You know, so you fly into a White House on the South Lawn at 2 o'clock in the morning and everything's just blacked out and you land above this, you know, the most famous building anywhere on Earth.

00:38:27.420 I mean, you could, if you could reach out the window, it feels like you could touch your Washington Monument.

00:38:31.880 You're so close to it.

00:38:32.860 And, you know, the trees are blowing and everything's blacked out.

00:38:35.880 And, you know, the helicopter pilots are under the nods and everything else.

00:38:38.460 And that's a great experience.

00:38:39.940 I mean, Camp David is truly one of the most kind of incredible places that very, very, very few people ever get to see.

00:38:47.380 Air Force One is obviously amazing.

00:38:50.220 But I think the moment that really hit me was Arlington National Cemetery.

00:38:53.060 When he laid the wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier the first time, you're sitting up there on the, you know, top of that hill overlooking the entire city.

00:39:00.900 And it's the only time Washington is quiet, right?

00:39:04.180 It is the only time as that wreath goes down the stairs and you have the, you know, the lone soldier that's guarding the tomb.

00:39:12.500 And I remember that was our first entry into politics.

00:39:15.200 And I go, wow, this is different.

00:39:16.460 This is different than the real estate world.

00:39:17.880 This is different than the business world.

00:39:19.400 I mean, my father has the entire world riding on his shoulders, you know, and we as the family are the first family now.

00:39:26.380 We're just, we're going to be held to a different standard.

00:39:28.360 We're going to be in the spotlight and, and, and wow, was that a big moment as quiet as it was.

00:39:33.480 I mean, it was really remarkable.

00:39:35.180 It's one of those things that seared in my mind that I'll never, I'll never forget about.

00:39:38.660 Have you slept in every bedroom in the White House?

00:39:42.160 I have.

00:39:42.780 And that's a, that's an interesting one.

00:39:44.800 So the Lincoln bedroom, you've seen it.

00:39:46.680 I'm sure you've seen it.

00:39:48.260 And not in person.

00:39:50.240 You haven't.

00:39:50.980 Okay.

00:39:51.120 Well, we're going to have to change that.

00:39:52.220 But Lincoln's son actually died in the bed.

00:39:55.440 And it's, it's a bed that's probably the size of a queen, the width of a queen, but it's about three feet longer.

00:40:00.640 Right.

00:40:00.920 So it must be a custom mattress and it's, it's really interesting.

00:40:03.280 But you have the Gettysburg address and every night before, you know, when they do turndown service at the White House, they'll put the Gettysburg address on the, on the nightstand.

00:40:11.280 And so you're literally going to shut off the light and, you know, you know, four score and seven years ago, you start reading the thing and you go, oh my God, this is unique.

00:40:18.320 But on the other nightstand, on the other side of the bed is a little oval painting that, that Lincoln kept on his, on his, on the oval office desk of him and his son, the son that passed away in the bed.

00:40:29.720 He passed away, I believe it was of polio or measles.

00:40:32.880 And, and you're standing there saying, wow, I mean, the, the history is, is real.

00:40:36.920 And then you look around the room and you see this tall standup mirror and the thing is, you know, seven feet tall because obviously Lincoln was a, you know, incredibly tall guy.

00:40:44.400 And, you know, it's, it's, it's wild.

00:40:46.240 You walk around though at the White House and you can date the White House based on the way the Eagle's head looks in, in the presidential seal.

00:40:52.780 So, you know, when it was, when it was department of war before my father changed it back and, and at a time when America was at war, the Eagle's head would always look at the arrows.

00:41:01.380 And at a time of peace, the Eagle's head would be turned and it would look at the, the olive branch.

00:41:06.160 After Truman, the Eagle's head only looks at the olive branch.

00:41:09.500 They never had the Eagle's head turned back.

00:41:11.040 But as you walk around the White House, you can kind of distinctly tell when certain things were built, when, when certain, you know, desks were put in based on, you know, the direction of the, the Eagle's head.

00:41:19.900 And it's, it's a fascinating building that's, that's, that's beyond full of history.

00:41:24.560 You write in the book about another home that you guys share, of course, and where you spent half your childhood, which is Mar-a-Lago.

00:41:31.380 And the infamous raid that was pursued by the FBI on your family's most intimate spaces, your little brother Barron's room.

00:41:42.660 And for you, this wasn't just the outrage that it was for all of us.

00:41:45.860 It was that, but it was deeply personal.

00:41:48.240 And you, you really write about that.

00:41:49.980 Think about it.

00:41:50.680 I mean, the average Americans, they like, you have to think of the FBI with whom you write.

00:41:54.500 Like your normal approach was very positive toward law enforcement.

00:41:57.820 And this was just such a game changer, the way they went in there.

00:42:02.320 I cannot imagine that violation.

00:42:07.260 Yeah, I spent a lot of time talking about that in the book because, I mean, if there's ever a siege, I mean, that was the literal siege of our home, right?

00:42:13.260 And that was deeply personal to me.

00:42:14.460 I mean, I grew up there, but I get a call from, from one of the people that run the property.

00:42:17.860 Obviously, I run every Trump property, right?

00:42:19.560 And I run the Trump organization.

00:42:20.640 And they called me up.

00:42:21.660 They go, boss, there's 30 FBI agents here with a search warrant.

00:42:24.880 I go, a search warrant?

00:42:26.080 Why would the FBI be here with a search warrant?

00:42:27.860 And by the way, why am I not hearing about this from Secret Service, who I have around me, right?

00:42:31.220 It didn't make any sense.

00:42:32.340 And I go, you know, and they literally told me they're coming in the gate.

00:42:35.900 They have a search warrant.

00:42:36.760 I said, can you ask them to wait one minute?

00:42:38.220 We have a lawyer that lives down the street.

00:42:39.540 I'll get them over there.

00:42:40.480 We'll figure out exactly what's going on.

00:42:42.300 No.

00:42:42.680 And they're demanding that you turn off every single security camera.

00:42:45.220 Now, obviously, a commercial property like Mar-a-Lago has a lot of security cameras.

00:42:48.140 I go, tell them I'm not turning off the security cameras.

00:42:49.920 Why in the world would I turn off the security cameras?

00:42:52.820 And they sat there and they ransacked Mar-a-Lago for hours and hours.

00:42:55.960 And I asked them, I go, does my father know about this?

00:42:58.520 And everybody was just silent.

00:42:59.440 I go, I'll call him now.

00:43:00.440 And so we met in his office.

00:43:01.840 We wrote up that tweet that became so famous.

00:43:04.180 You know, right now the FBI is raiding Mar-a-Lago.

00:43:06.860 The FBI went absolutely nuts when that tweet went out.

00:43:10.260 They go, how dare you?

00:43:11.700 How dare you leak this to the media?

00:43:13.720 I mean, effectively, the message was how dare you beat us at our own game, which is, you know,

00:43:17.840 and instantly a turn.

00:43:18.960 We're here to embarrass you.

00:43:21.000 Of course.

00:43:21.480 And instead, we embarrassed them.

00:43:23.300 And my father took it right to them.

00:43:24.800 And he did so instantly.

00:43:26.240 And it was amazing.

00:43:27.560 And I'll never forget that.

00:43:29.420 I'll never forget that.

00:43:30.020 And then the aftermath of this, you know, obviously, they took HIPAA records.

00:43:33.180 They took medical records, you know, protected under HIPAA.

00:43:35.820 You know, they took my father's, all of his attorney client stuff, right?

00:43:38.620 So every legal document that he had with attorneys, right?

00:43:41.620 So they violated, you know, that.

00:43:43.360 That really pissed off the judge, by the way, as you can probably imagine.

00:43:45.920 They took his passports.

00:43:47.420 They went through Melania's closet.

00:43:48.800 They went through Baron's room.

00:43:50.040 I mean, they were unrelenting.

00:43:51.480 And then in the aftermath, we find out that Jack Smith was planting classified folders, you know, on the carpet.

00:43:57.220 You remember those perfectly orchestrated photo shoots where everything's fanned out?

00:44:00.380 Like, my father just leaves classified folders just perfectly fanned out on a beautiful carpet in the middle of his office.

00:44:06.420 You know, like, my father's a little bit more anal retentive than that, right?

00:44:09.960 That's not really his style.

00:44:11.080 And, you know, and yet, you know, they admit later on that they planted those folders and conveniently took these photo shoots.

00:44:16.680 And this was the siege.

00:44:18.420 I mean, they wanted to do anything they could to indict him, to imprison him, to bankrupt him, to silence him.

00:44:23.680 I mean, think about all the gag orders.

00:44:25.060 I mean, I became the guy who was standing out front on the steps of the New York courthouse shouting at the top of my lungs because I was only gagged in about three-quarters of the cases.

00:44:33.400 There's a couple of the cases I wasn't quite gagged in, you know, and so I became the de facto spokesperson who was out there yelling because my father couldn't have a voice because during the middle of a presidential campaign, you know, the judge whose daughter worked for the Democratic Party decided to gag order my father and not allow him to speak and defend himself, yet no one else was gag ordered.

00:44:51.780 I mean, this is the hell that they put us through, Megan, and, you know, I want the world to know, you know, kind of how fragile, you know, how fragile it can be.

00:45:00.740 Like, you know, we live in the greatest, you know, country in the world, the greatest economy.

00:45:05.480 We have the greatest, you know, rule of law, and yet it's still challenged every single day.

00:45:11.520 And honestly, it breaks my heart for countries around the world that don't have the system that we have, as corrupted as our system got throughout this whole process.

00:45:18.380 I mean, could you imagine other countries around the world?

00:45:21.940 I mean, it gives you full appreciation for what people deal with all over the world.

00:45:29.460 Well, what about that, Eric?

00:45:30.080 Let me ask you about the so-called lawfare, right?

00:45:32.680 Tish James, James Comey.

00:45:34.440 First, let me ask you this.

00:45:35.360 Would you have liked to have seen a James Comey mugshot like your dad had to submit to?

00:45:41.000 Well, you know, the mugshot was like the greatest thing that ever happened to us.

00:45:43.740 You know, we raised a fortune off of that thing.

00:45:45.400 And, by the way, it took every inner city community and made them all 100 percent Trump because they said, listen, like, they've done this to us for the last five decades, right?

00:45:54.920 Now they're doing it to this guy.

00:45:56.000 I actually like him.

00:45:56.860 You know, the enemy of your enemy is your friend, right?

00:46:00.500 Isn't that the famous saying?

00:46:01.460 It's exactly what happened there.

00:46:02.920 And so I don't wish poor on anybody.

00:46:07.100 I really don't.

00:46:08.320 Comey was, in my opinion, a criminal what he was doing.

00:46:11.080 I want FBI directors in this country to keep planes from flying into buildings, not sit there leaking memos all day to the New York Times.

00:46:19.020 And, man, was his priorities messed up.

00:46:22.120 They were horrible.

00:46:23.120 And I think you saw the consequences in the country.

00:46:25.900 I mean.

00:46:27.100 And so you're not feeling sad about Tish James having to go through this process single tear.

00:46:31.380 You and Laura don't sit at night saying, oh, such a nice person.

00:46:36.580 Why should this happen to her?

00:46:37.580 You know what?

00:46:39.240 I wish no one the hell that I went through based on her actions, which were overturned 5-0 by the appellate courts, as you mentioned before.

00:46:45.960 I mean, you know, finding a $600 million when your lenders are on the stand saying that we're the best customers they've ever had, the best borrowers they've ever had.

00:46:53.340 It was like you're in, you know, a make-believe land.

00:46:57.120 It felt like you were in some, you know, crazy, evil fairy tale.

00:47:00.800 It didn't make any sense.

00:47:02.320 And, you know, again, as I said before, they often dig so deep that they find themselves.

00:47:07.020 And that's what happened with her. 0.99

00:47:08.160 You know, you want to live by the sword, you die by the sword.

00:47:10.540 Isn't that kind of how life generally works?

00:47:13.100 And, again, I don't wish the pain and suffering of our employees, of the lack of sleep that I had for a four-year period of time on anybody.

00:47:20.920 But, you know, the great irony that she apparently did exactly what she was accusing us of doing is nothing short of remarkable.

00:47:30.200 It's truly, like, literary the way it's coming down.

00:47:33.580 Today, Eric, by the way, we're talking to Eric Trump.

00:47:35.740 The book is called Under Siege.

00:47:37.160 It hits Tuesday.

00:47:38.000 Get it now before the rush so you can make sure you have it in hand.

00:47:41.500 It's a great read.

00:47:42.600 It's deeply personal.

00:47:43.700 One of my favorite things is he reveals the Secret Service code names for the whole family from Trump on down.

00:47:48.580 You'll have to read the book.

00:47:49.400 I don't want to spoil it here, but they all begin with the letter M, which is interesting.

00:47:54.280 But here we are.

00:47:55.420 It is October 10th, and that means we are exactly one month from the day our friend Charlie Kirk was killed.

00:48:02.000 And I wonder how that's affected you as somebody whose dad was shot in the head, you know, a year, not even a year and a half ago.

00:48:11.720 My God.

00:48:12.160 I mean, it's like 15 months ago this happened to your dad.

00:48:14.920 The three Trump lovers who were at the rally in Butler who also got shot, one of whom is dead.

00:48:23.140 And then you see this happen to poor Charlie, such a dear ally to your dad, and obviously, most likely, a future president himself on our side.

00:48:30.540 You know, here's a picture of the two of you together.

00:48:32.880 You knew him well.

00:48:33.760 Your thoughts on it one month out?

00:48:36.540 Listen, I knew him well.

00:48:37.200 He was a good friend.

00:48:37.880 I remember when he was 21 years old, he came into a Trump organization.

00:48:40.300 He told me the plans of what he was going to do at Turning Point, and he achieved every single one of them.

00:48:44.440 And I was almost rolling my eyes at the time because the aspiration was so large, you know, so large for such a young guy at the time, you know, talking about changing every student body on every college campus around the country.

00:48:54.400 And, you know, it's all part of the siege, right?

00:48:56.540 That's what they wanted.

00:48:57.260 They wanted – they think they could cut the head off the tiger and eliminate the – you know, eliminate this powerful movement.

00:49:04.460 And what they actually got is the exact opposite of that.

00:49:07.100 They only, you know, amplified the movement.

00:49:09.120 They only pissed off – I mean, when you have, you know, 1.3 million people walking across the London Bridge, when you have, you know, marches of solidarity in Pretoria, South Africa, in honor of Charlie Kirk, you know, they made Charlie bigger than he's ever been.

00:49:22.640 When you have 100,000, over 100,000 applications for Turning Point chapters, you know, at high schools and colleges and other universities around the country, I mean, wow.

00:49:33.800 I mean, they martyred him, but wow will his legacy live on.

00:49:37.560 But, Megan, he was a dear friend of mine.

00:49:39.320 I was all over the place with Charlie and, you know, watching the videos of blood spewing out the neck of a dear friend of mine like that, it's unthinkable.

00:49:45.600 And you better believe that was deja vu to Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:49:48.720 And I spent a lot of time talking about Butler in the book because I'm pissed off.

00:49:51.700 I'm not satisfied with the answer there.

00:49:53.600 And, like, you know, like I want to put that out to the world.

00:49:56.220 I'm not satisfied.

00:49:57.320 We know nothing about this guy.

00:49:59.060 We've never gotten into his films.

00:50:00.540 We got into the phones of every January 6th protester, you know, every grandmother who decided to take a picture, a selfie in the Capitol, but yet a guy who tried to take out the 45th president of the United States.

00:50:11.000 We've seen one picture of the guy, and he was cremated about five days later.

00:50:14.320 Again, I'm not a tinfoil hat-wearing guy, but I'm pissed off.

00:50:17.240 How did somebody get on a rooftop 130 yards away from a former president and very likely to be future president of the United States?

00:50:25.480 I'm pissed.

00:50:26.860 Yeah.

00:50:27.680 It's all there.

00:50:28.700 The book is emotional in great ways.

00:50:30.880 I mean, the Trumps infamously separate themselves from their emotions thanks to the way they were raised.

00:50:35.620 But what I mean is it's forthcoming on how you felt in these moments that we all watched you go through.

00:50:41.200 One of the many reasons why it really is a page-turner.

00:50:43.280 It's called Under Siege, and Eric Trump gets real.

00:50:47.500 Thank you so much for coming on and promoting it here.

00:50:50.820 Great honor to be on, Megan.

00:50:52.200 You take care of yourself.

00:50:52.960 Wow.

00:50:53.100 Good luck to you and your whole family, of course.

00:50:55.440 And we'll see you in Miami.

00:50:57.120 Don't forget, you can go buy your tickets to see more of this discussion between Eric Trump and yours truly in Miami.

00:51:02.640 And today only, we're offering those tickets for 50% off in honor of his visit to our show at megankelly.com.

00:51:11.260 Don't go away.

00:51:11.860 Up next, Walter Kern.

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00:52:12.620 Okay, flights on Air Canada.

00:52:15.660 Oh, wow.

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00:52:17.780 Oh, nice.

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00:52:23.240 Mm-mm, now you're cooking.

00:52:24.680 If you're hungry, deli brings the heat.

00:52:26.840 Heat?

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00:52:30.440 So does Martinique.

00:52:31.840 Mm, and that French cuisine?

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00:52:34.800 Yes, chef.

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00:53:15.980 We absolutely have to keep talking.

00:53:18.540 It's more important now than ever.

00:53:20.740 To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer. 0.85

00:53:24.680 And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour. 0.72

00:53:32.100 Not one stop. 0.96

00:53:34.720 I'm going.

00:53:35.680 I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show.

00:53:41.560 We're going to make it safe for me.

00:53:42.500 We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you.

00:53:45.400 We're going coast to coast and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real to honor him.

00:53:54.260 I really now more than ever would love to see you all face to face.

00:53:58.100 God, I would love to see you face to face.

00:54:00.080 Guys, I need to see you face to face.

00:54:03.840 I am doing this tour and I would love for you to join me.

00:54:07.860 MeganKelley.com for the tickets.

00:54:12.040 Walter Kern is with me now.

00:54:13.540 He is the editor-at-large of County Highway.

00:54:16.500 And you can see Walter and yours truly in person on the Megan Kelly live tour.

00:54:21.820 See, I told you, you're going to see all these wonderful guests of the show.

00:54:25.160 And those are stars.

00:54:27.580 Wouldn't you rather see Walter Kern than like, I don't know, one of those snobby, like Tom Hanks, Hollywood superstars that hates you, right?

00:54:38.000 Like these are the stars for us in our audience.

00:54:41.520 Not that that's not obvious.

00:54:43.240 He's going to be with me in Glendale, Arizona on November 22nd.

00:54:46.440 That's our final stop of the tour.

00:54:47.780 And it also will involve Erica Kirk.

00:54:50.580 That's going to be an extremely powerful evening.

00:54:54.600 Get your tickets now.

00:54:55.720 MeganKelley.com to that show in all 10 dates.

00:54:58.720 I would love to see you guys.

00:55:01.040 MeganKelley.com.

00:55:01.920 Walter, welcome back.

00:55:03.020 Well, thank you.

00:55:04.780 And I have an apology to make.

00:55:06.440 I was supposed to be on earlier this week.

00:55:08.980 But due to a glitch in the Apple Calendar app, when you put an invitation into it, it doesn't convert the time zone.

00:55:17.940 So I was all getting ready for the show.

00:55:20.960 I took a walk in the woods.

00:55:22.340 I was rehearsing out loud with birds in the trees.

00:55:24.760 I walked back into the house, fresh, ready to just dazzle on the show.

00:55:29.560 And there were three messages from your staff.

00:55:31.900 Where the heck are you? 0.73

00:55:34.160 Oh, no. 1.00

00:55:35.760 From Midwestern, Boy Scout, former Mormon type like me, I wanted to commit Harry Carey, like fall on my sword, chop my own head off. 0.75

00:55:44.920 You're so sweet.

00:55:46.020 No apology necessary.

00:55:47.400 It happens.

00:55:48.120 We should have been all over you, such to the point where that could not have happened.

00:55:51.580 So it was mutual.

00:55:52.200 There was no way to get to me.

00:55:53.420 Yeah, I was out among the grizzly bears and the mountain lions walking in the Montana wilderness.

00:55:58.360 Well, do not give it a second thought.

00:56:00.160 We're thrilled that you are here now and that you come on at all.

00:56:03.840 OK, we have such goodness.

00:56:05.920 I don't even know where to start, but I think we have to start with the Virginia gubernatorial debate.

00:56:12.280 It was so good. 0.58

00:56:13.440 We weren't really even paying that close of attention to this debate up until recently when, like, the lunatic attorney general put out how he wanted to, we found out he wanted to kill a Republican. 0.63

00:56:23.240 Children and that kind of got our attention.

00:56:25.380 And then it's just it's not looking good for Winsome Sears, though it's getting better and better.

00:56:29.980 Now it's within two points.

00:56:31.140 Yes, the other gal, Spanberger, had had a seven point lead. 1.00

00:56:34.800 So Spanberger, who's billing herself and actually kind of has been a more moderate Democrat.

00:56:41.400 I mean, there's only so moderate any Democrat is in today's day and age.

00:56:44.620 But at least this woman stood up against the defund the police thing when she was in Congress. 1.00

00:56:50.280 And that that was happening in in Washington.

00:56:53.060 And now she's running for Virginia governor because Glenn Youngkin has to get out. 0.85

00:56:57.640 They have a term limit there.

00:56:58.800 It's crazy.

00:56:59.760 It's like four years.

00:57:00.740 Then you got to get out.

00:57:01.940 And unfortunately, Virginia appears ready to go blue, or at least it did before this race really got turned topsy turvy. 0.79

00:57:10.340 Thanks to those attorney general texts about killing Republicans and their children, which he's totally in favor of.

00:57:16.340 His name is Jay Jones.

00:57:17.440 So last night, not surprisingly, that issue was front and center.

00:57:22.300 She's running against Youngkin's, his lieutenant governor, Winsome Sears. 1.00

00:57:26.580 And let's just go through the soundbites because they're so good.

00:57:29.820 Let's start with number seven, where the moderator, by the way, also did a very good job on pressing Spanberger about Jay Jones and whether she's still supporting his run for AG.

00:57:41.240 Here's how that went.

00:57:42.800 I didn't hear an answer there on the endorsement issue.

00:57:45.900 So I want to just make sure, will you continue to endorse Jay Jones to be the next attorney general of Virginia?

00:57:53.200 And were you aware of these text messages before they released?

00:57:55.860 You have 30 seconds.

00:57:57.600 In fact, it appears that it was those who released the text messages and held them for years.

00:58:03.900 So the public was unaware who had knowledge of these text messages for many hours.

00:58:09.000 I learned of these text messages the day that they came out, and I denounced them as soon as I learned of them.

00:58:16.480 She denounces murderers.

00:58:17.880 And importantly, at this point, as we move forward, the voters now have this information, information that was withheld for them, presumably for political reasons.

00:58:30.140 But the voters now have the information.

00:58:32.760 Ms. Member, I understand what you're saying about the voters, but for you yourself, do you still continue to endorse Jay Jones?

00:58:39.060 15 seconds.

00:58:40.100 Yes or no?

00:58:40.740 I, we are all running our individual races.

00:58:43.320 I believe my opponent has said that about his lieutenant governor.

00:58:46.680 We just want to clarify, you know, what you're saying is that as of now, you still endorse Jay Jones as attorney general.

00:58:54.360 I'm saying as of now, it's up to every voter to make their own individual decision. 0.99

00:58:59.400 You're a coward. 1.00

00:59:00.760 You're a disgusting coward. 1.00

00:59:02.420 All you have to say is, no, I don't. 1.00

00:59:04.420 I don't stand by my endorsement.

00:59:06.060 I hadn't seen those texts.

00:59:08.180 I hope he runs his race.

00:59:09.480 It's going to be up to the voters as to whether they want him as their AG.

00:59:12.760 But no, I do not stand by my endorsement now that I've learned the full picture of who this man is.

00:59:17.700 She wouldn't do it, Walter.

00:59:20.520 What?

00:59:21.480 I'm mystified.

00:59:22.640 What prevents her from doing it? 0.72

00:59:24.840 Is there some pact that they make that, you know, some evil pact to all go down or rise together?

00:59:32.180 We just fell down another flight of stairs into hell by even tolerating this guy for five seconds.

00:59:41.060 Because this isn't just rhetoric.

00:59:45.140 Rhetoric is something aimed at the public.

00:59:46.860 This was a revelation of his feelings and his backstage personality.

00:59:53.480 You know, just as we've seen with Katie Porter, you know, her suddenly go, get out of my shot and stop being the sort of measured vice principal lady that she pretends to be. 1.00

01:00:04.000 We saw behind the scenes here.

01:00:06.000 And as someone who wrote a book, and I'm quite serious about a psychopathic killer who was a friend of mine and who disguised himself for many years, you get very few shots.

01:00:18.140 What's the name of that book?

01:00:20.260 Blood Will Out.

01:00:21.500 It's about a man who pretended to be real.

01:00:23.640 Literally, we all need to read it.

01:00:25.400 Yeah, you really do.

01:00:26.900 And it gives me great insight into the sociopathic mind.

01:00:31.520 And sociopaths have a belief that that which is hidden isn't real.

01:00:35.940 And that which is public is real and only that.

01:00:40.060 But this guy, somebody who knew him, somebody who was concerned, somebody who didn't want to do it and waited, finally felt a pang of conscience and showed us the behind the scenes reality of this man.

01:00:55.760 And that we laugh that off and that we just pass it on and we don't require straight answers about it means in an age of assassinations, it's one thing if this had come out five years, but, you know, this is very germane at this point, shows that we've lost not just our way, but maybe become monstrous ourselves.

01:01:20.040 Really good point.

01:01:21.160 Like the timeliness of it at at at any point in history would have been wrong not to denounce.

01:01:25.800 But right now, you can't denounce it right now.

01:01:28.200 You want to with a wink and a nod, suggest you're fine with it.

01:01:31.160 And he's only running.

01:01:32.480 He's only running to be the chief.

01:01:34.940 And then let's think about his job.

01:01:37.640 His job is to prosecute criminals.

01:01:40.800 Is he going to do that very selectively?

01:01:43.240 Or is he, you know, I can see somebody, some murderer sitting up in court after being sentenced and screaming at the judge, you know, the man who put me here wants to kill people, too.

01:01:56.320 Yeah.

01:01:56.740 You know, I think it was Eric Erickson, who's got his JD and he's a radio host as well down in Atlanta and a conservative commentator for a long, long time.

01:02:08.200 Great guy.

01:02:08.580 He was making the point on X today.

01:02:11.880 I'm going to butcher it a little, but it was to the effect of down in Georgia, you know, you had a race for governor involving Herschel Walker, who had all these personal allegations against him, which were not good.

01:02:25.120 But at least in his case, they all preceded when he like got help for these issues.

01:02:30.640 And so he had a pass, but it really genuinely was the past.

01:02:36.120 And voters voted Republican up and down the ticket in Georgia, but not for him, for U.S. Senator, not for him.

01:02:42.380 They drew they drew the line.

01:02:43.520 Those Georgian voters did.

01:02:45.020 And he talked about I think it was Roy Moore in Alabama.

01:02:48.180 Same thing.

01:02:48.800 They were like, no, this is a conservative red state.

01:02:51.500 But no, we have standards.

01:02:53.660 I mean, he was saying in in Virginia, will you do the same?

01:02:57.920 Even if you vote for Spanberger for governor, which you shouldn't, and a Republican lieutenant governor, sorry, a Democrat lieutenant governor, do you actually feel comfortable putting this guy in your state's top law enforcement post?

01:03:13.800 Or will you hold the line on what is decent, just a bare level of decency?

01:03:18.320 The answer is no.

01:03:21.160 We already know the answer.

01:03:23.180 That murder, that assassination has become a political wedge issue is insane.

01:03:30.240 I can see them going around with one of the shows of hands at a big debate when there are like eight candidates.

01:03:36.240 Like, now, which of you here condemns political assassination if it's of Republicans and MAGA right wing types?

01:03:46.880 And they all sort of hesitate to put up their hands.

01:03:49.340 Because at this point, they're playing to their constituency.

01:03:54.480 Obviously, the guy doesn't fear a backlash among his constituency.

01:03:58.800 He probably has gotten secret applause for it. 0.97

01:04:01.340 My question to him in a debate would be, okay, we know that you fantasize about murdering children.

01:04:07.040 How close have you ever come to doing it?

01:04:09.860 Yeah.

01:04:10.020 What's the line with you?

01:04:13.020 Is it just something you use to entertain yourself and your friends?

01:04:16.660 Or do you actually consider doing it at times?

01:04:21.580 You'd have to go through it with him. 0.72

01:04:23.120 You texted that you had talked to her before about your penchant for wanting to murder Republicans.

01:04:28.480 Clearly, there was an earlier conversation.

01:04:30.500 He's now denying that it was, as she claimed, his texting partner, who was a Republican moderate in the Virginia Statehouse.

01:04:36.640 But she says it was a conversation in which he said he wanted to see cops get shot.

01:04:41.680 And I totally believe her.

01:04:43.640 I believe every word she's saying, and I don't believe his denial.

01:04:46.060 But in any event, when you picked up the conversation about now shooting the Republican House Speaker at the time in the head with two bullets,

01:04:53.880 that was doubling down on your earlier sentiments about wanting to see cops shot dead, right?

01:05:01.260 Like, how did your thinking evolve?

01:05:02.980 And then when you picked her up the phone to call her and tripled down on the messaging and she hung up on you,

01:05:09.760 what made you then text more about wanting to see the children die and their mother?

01:05:14.240 I'm like, just walk them through it.

01:05:15.220 You could completely eviscerate the guy just by sticking to his words.

01:05:19.080 Here was Winsome Sears getting in on the action, you know, trying to make it a debate where she got to ask her own opponent some of these questions in SOT 8. 0.90

01:05:28.720 Why my opponent won't say beyond its abhorrent and disgusting why she won't say it is not OK and that he must leave the race

01:05:41.200 because J. Jones advocated the murder, Abigail, the murder of a man, a former speaker, as well as his children who were two years, two and five years old.

01:05:52.840 You have little girls.

01:05:54.880 Would it take him pulling the trigger?

01:05:57.180 Is that what would do it?

01:05:58.660 And then you would say he needs to get out of the race? 0.53

01:06:01.560 Abigail, you have nothing to say?

01:06:05.060 Abigail, what if he said it about your two children, your three children?

01:06:09.960 Is that when you would say he should get out of the race, Abigail?

01:06:16.380 You're running to be governor.

01:06:19.480 OK, that whole thing is so awkward.

01:06:21.640 Isn't she brave standing there?

01:06:23.980 Just for the listening audience, Abigail is looking straight ahead.

01:06:27.760 Winsome is to her left and she's staring at her saying, Abigail, Abigail.

01:06:31.660 And Abigail will not even look at her and obviously will not answer either.

01:06:35.220 Go ahead, Walter.

01:06:35.600 Well, we had a Minnesota state legislative leader murdered at home just a couple of months ago.

01:06:43.520 Remember that?

01:06:44.620 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:45.800 This is not a fanciful scenario whatsoever.

01:06:49.860 And also, if she admits it's abhorrent, then she needs to explain why people who are abhorrent should be attorney general.

01:07:00.300 I mean, take it a little further.

01:07:05.300 The problem here is reflexive loyalty to party over any other value in society.

01:07:13.600 And that's where we're getting.

01:07:14.980 And once you and once it's reflexive loyalty at any cost, then you essentially have war, maybe not hot war, but you've got war because the whole idea of politics is that you're you're finding little pieces of overlap or you're negotiating what you want versus what they want.

01:07:36.620 And you're all each giving a little.

01:07:37.680 But when it's ultimate like this, it may as well just be a cage match.

01:07:42.300 Let's just see you go at it.

01:07:44.980 You know, I'm reminded, Walter, of what my old therapist said to me.

01:07:51.300 After I got out of my first marriage, I was seeing a therapist.

01:07:54.660 She was very helpful to me when it came to relationships.

01:07:58.260 I call her my lady, Amy.

01:07:59.720 I write about her in my memoir, and I really loved her.

01:08:01.920 She changed my life.

01:08:03.140 And we were talking about dating men.

01:08:05.280 And I was newly out on the single scene.

01:08:08.100 And I don't know, I'd gone out on like a date or something.

01:08:10.260 And I was like, I don't know.

01:08:11.520 This guy's this way and he's that way.

01:08:13.060 And she said to me, put this one back on the shelf.

01:08:16.980 Put this one back on the shelf.

01:08:18.160 And I was like, oh, what do you mean?

01:08:19.240 She goes, there are lots of them.

01:08:21.600 There are lots of them.

01:08:22.980 And I was like, what do you mean?

01:08:24.520 No, there aren't.

01:08:25.080 But and she was like, no, no, there are lots of them.

01:08:27.180 And she was so right, because then later I met Doug, and he was such a catch.

01:08:31.160 And thank God I didn't, you know, keep that one off the shelf who I had started with.

01:08:34.840 And my point is, I look at they're holding on to this Jay Jones, and they could take my lady Amy's advice.

01:08:43.660 Put this one back on the shelf.

01:08:46.300 There are lots of them.

01:08:48.160 Your party will go on if it maintains some basic standard of decency.

01:08:54.340 But, I mean, if you are going to ask Virginia voters to make this guy who wanted to see a Republican get shot in the head just because he's team red,

01:09:04.820 along with his babies in their mother's arms, you are sullying your brand to the point of no return.

01:09:14.160 He's got to go back on the shelf.

01:09:16.660 Save yourselves.

01:09:18.440 Why they don't get that, Walter, I don't know.

01:09:21.280 Or maybe it's just that blind party loyalty you always see among the Democrats.

01:09:27.060 I'll give you a couple of more nuggets of wisdom from my study, a close-up study of psychopathy.

01:09:32.180 And I'm not shy about calling this that.

01:09:35.680 It's not that he wants to see that person die or that children, those two children die.

01:09:41.620 He wants to see people die. 0.92

01:09:43.720 He wants to see death. 0.99

01:09:45.100 He wants to see violence.

01:09:46.400 That's how he thinks.

01:09:47.900 And the truth is, that isn't a thinker.

01:09:52.320 That is an emotional basket case.

01:09:55.460 But people fear these people.

01:09:57.160 And I think, strangely, one of the reasons this guy is going to get away with it is that people around him are afraid of him.

01:10:04.360 We don't know the rest of his profile.

01:10:07.380 He could be a very aggressive.

01:10:09.460 You know, look at this Katie Porter. 1.00

01:10:11.060 No one would want to spend five seconds.

01:10:12.540 Oh, we're getting to her.

01:10:12.880 I promise you.

01:10:13.700 No one would want to spend five seconds in a room with her. 0.76

01:10:16.520 But they're intimidating.

01:10:18.520 I desperately want to get to know her better.

01:10:21.060 I want to have a pillow fight with her.

01:10:23.440 You know, with bricks in my pillow. 0.97

01:10:26.860 But there I am confessing my own psychopathic tendencies.

01:10:30.800 That's what we call a joke.

01:10:32.120 That's not what he was doing.

01:10:33.140 But what I'm saying is sometimes these politicians are very scary people.

01:10:38.320 They're threatening people.

01:10:39.480 You get behind the scenes and they're much more like mob bosses or, you know, gang leaders than they are out in front.

01:10:46.160 We've seen that in many movies.

01:10:47.760 And I have a feeling this guy is somebody who, though maybe not popular and beloved, is somebody they don't want to mess with.

01:10:54.920 It's so ironic.

01:10:56.060 The left, for the past five plus years, has been using that term dehumanized at every turn.

01:11:02.840 I feel dehumanized by what you said.

01:11:05.760 I'm dehumanized because you didn't post a black square on the day we were celebrating BLM.

01:11:11.200 Microaggressions. 0.87

01:11:11.900 You smile too much.

01:11:14.260 But this guy can actually put in writing.

01:11:18.000 I mean, like anybody who sends a text like that to a member of the other party, the one who you want to see assassinated, obviously knows they're taking a risk.

01:11:26.260 This is not like a safe communication.

01:11:28.400 She stopped him in the texting.

01:11:30.460 She hung up on him on the phone call. 0.98

01:11:31.760 Like he wanted her to hear how much he wants to kill Republicans. 0.98

01:11:36.040 You will listen to me. 0.92

01:11:38.200 So this guy, there's something wrong with him.

01:11:39.980 And it is dehumanizing in a dangerous way.

01:11:43.440 That's my hypothesis that there's a pathological syndrome at work here.

01:11:48.420 You know, it's wanting to play chicken.

01:11:51.080 It's wanting to go right to the edge.

01:11:52.640 It's wanting to almost get caught.

01:11:54.460 He not.

01:11:54.920 Yeah.

01:11:55.080 He not only said it in to, you know, the worst thing.

01:11:58.800 He said it to the worst person he could say it to.

01:12:01.080 And and he's daring people.

01:12:03.800 He's daring people.

01:12:05.240 He he was daring the gubernatorial candidate to dismiss him or denounce him.

01:12:12.140 And she froze.

01:12:13.980 She didn't do it.

01:12:15.000 Frankly, she looked scared because she did.

01:12:18.420 Because because the fact is to show leadership, you want to show confidence.

01:12:23.860 But this was too much for her.

01:12:26.680 The issue was one she didn't want to address. 0.95

01:12:29.200 You called her a coward instantly. 0.97

01:12:31.680 And that's exactly what she is. 0.97

01:12:32.960 But what is a coward?

01:12:33.980 A coward is someone who fears something more than they fear the right thing, than they fear

01:12:39.040 doing the right thing.

01:12:39.960 And what is it that she fears?

01:12:41.300 I really want to know.

01:12:42.740 Maybe.

01:12:43.700 There's no good outcome.

01:12:45.340 It's either she's genuinely afraid of him and she's staying silent.

01:12:49.400 What?

01:12:49.920 So that he can be elevated to attorney general or she's just more worried about her political 0.92

01:12:54.480 hide than she is about elevating this psychopath to this position. 0.86

01:12:59.240 Either way, it's terrible, right? 0.77

01:13:00.580 Either way, she's worried about her political hide or her actual hide.

01:13:05.240 I mean, Bill Clinton went against, you know, what was her name?

01:13:10.040 Sister soldier.

01:13:11.520 Sister soldier.

01:13:12.720 I mean, for less than this, a good Southern politician would get up on the soapbox and say,

01:13:20.540 this capital sin of murder is something that is very serious.

01:13:24.460 And I will not stand behind this, you know, sinful and awful.

01:13:30.260 In the old days, they at least used to pretend in that, you know, evangelical way to be moral

01:13:38.380 people.

01:13:38.660 It's a softball.

01:13:39.160 Now they stand.

01:13:40.400 They're absolutely petrified that somehow they'll offend the other zombie killers in

01:13:45.840 the audience and in their party.

01:13:48.460 It's so easy.

01:13:49.760 All she would have to do is say, I'm deeply horrified by those texts.

01:13:54.120 I endorsed him when I did not know about them.

01:13:57.660 Obviously, no, my endorsement does not stand.

01:14:00.620 And I'm going to leave it at that because now it's between the Virginia voters and Jay

01:14:04.460 Jones and you guys can vote your consciences.

01:14:06.860 But when it comes to me, this is what I stand for.

01:14:09.460 That's what she should have said.

01:14:10.740 That you do not stand by the endorsement.

01:14:13.160 And now it's up to the Virginia voters.

01:14:15.300 That's it.

01:14:16.300 You don't have to tell them how to vote, but you have to withdraw your endorsement for 0.99

01:14:20.060 a man who wants Republican children dead. 1.00

01:14:22.520 You fucker. 1.00

01:14:23.480 It's so clear. 1.00

01:14:24.420 It's just infuriating. 0.99

01:14:26.080 Now, she's a coward and her inability to even look at Winston Sears when she's speaking 0.99

01:14:30.900 to her was infuriating, too. 0.98

01:14:32.900 I've got to say, even though I'd vote for Winston Sears in a second, I don't know how

01:14:37.240 effective it was for her to keep saying, Abigail, Abigail, Abigail.

01:14:42.540 It was weird.

01:14:43.660 She wasn't showing power in her own right. 0.86

01:14:46.180 I much would have preferred her to say, you've asked her three times now to denounce this guy

01:14:52.160 and withdraw her endorsement.

01:14:53.420 Speak to the moderator.

01:14:55.060 Speak to the audience.

01:14:56.200 She won't do it.

01:14:57.660 You know, this is why she won't do it.

01:14:59.580 But Winston Sears looked kind of weak, too.

01:15:02.860 Good people are at a disadvantage when they're arguing with psychopaths because they can't

01:15:08.640 believe it's happening.

01:15:12.320 There's no script for it.

01:15:13.980 They can't prepare for it.

01:15:15.180 Wait, I'm sitting here in front of the state of Virginia trying to get somebody to denounce

01:15:19.920 fantasies of murdering children in her attorney general and her chief law enforcement officer.

01:15:26.640 Huh?

01:15:26.900 They don't teach you that in college.

01:15:29.300 People are at a disadvantage when they argue with psychopaths.

01:15:32.500 That could be the title of a book.

01:15:34.460 That's so good.

01:15:35.440 Let me give you another one.

01:15:36.180 The other problem with the Spanberger, though she's, quote, moderate on BLM, meaning she would

01:15:42.180 like police funded.

01:15:43.640 Great.

01:15:44.120 Thanks so much.

01:15:45.640 She's not moderate on the trans issue.

01:15:47.640 She totally wants boys and girls sports. 1.00

01:15:50.020 She and Sears are diametrically opposed to one another on that point.

01:15:53.240 And she also wants boys going into girls rooms, you know, meaning locker rooms and bathrooms. 1.00

01:16:00.100 This is a big issue in Virginia.

01:16:01.920 This is like it was this race that the woman held up the sign at a Winston Sears rally saying

01:16:08.940 if boys can't go in their bathrooms of choice, maybe you can't come to white lunch counters. 0.82

01:16:15.380 It was something very racist.

01:16:16.920 I don't remember the exact phraseology, but it was trying to bring back up that era.

01:16:20.540 Um, and here, Abigail Spanberger gets asked about whether boys should be allowed in girls

01:16:27.940 bathrooms in SOT 9.

01:16:29.700 More cowardice. 0.98

01:16:31.500 Should transgender girls who are biological males be allowed to use girls bathrooms and 0.98

01:16:36.880 play on girls sports teams in K through 12?

01:16:39.940 You have 15 seconds to clarify.

01:16:41.720 In cases across Virginia, I think it's incumbent upon parents and educators and administrators

01:16:51.120 in each local community to make decisions locally.

01:16:54.880 Would you rescind the Yunkin administration policy requiring boys and girls to use bathrooms

01:17:00.820 aligning with their biological sex?

01:17:03.060 You have 30 seconds.

01:17:04.420 My priority would be to ensure that local communities, importantly, parents and teachers

01:17:09.840 and educators are able to work together to meet the unique needs of each school and each

01:17:16.740 community.

01:17:17.380 Oh, Ms. Spanberger, the question was, should the Yunkin, would you rescind the Yunkin administration

01:17:24.520 policy requiring boys and girls to use bathrooms aligning with their biological sex?

01:17:30.640 You have 15 seconds to clarify that question.

01:17:33.560 Yes.

01:17:33.760 And my answer is that in each local community, decisions should be made between parents and

01:17:39.880 educators and teachers.

01:17:41.280 So, yes, she will rescind it.

01:17:46.300 I thought that kind of legalistic blah, blah, blah was out of the window in politics since

01:17:54.540 Donald Trump.

01:17:55.400 I thought whether people like him or not, they at least were refreshed by some straight talk

01:18:01.280 from politicians.

01:18:02.660 And that looks like something from the 1980s, some kind of terrible training that you get to

01:18:09.260 just keep repeating educators.

01:18:12.380 It looked like Cirque du Soleil trying to twist yourself into a pretzel.

01:18:15.940 Oh, I don't want to say that I'm going to rescind the very popular Yunkin executive order 1.00

01:18:21.520 keeping boys out of girls' spaces. 0.87

01:18:23.840 But I love seeing the boys in the girls' spaces.

01:18:26.940 I'm just too much of a P-word to say it up here on this stage.

01:18:30.820 That's what we were witnessing.

01:18:32.500 She seems like a person without an actual personality.

01:18:36.220 Yes.

01:18:36.520 You know, who doesn't read her own books or come up with her own opinions, some complete

01:18:41.640 instrument of her party, and who's been told to run out the clock and, you know, absolutely

01:18:49.100 in the old sense, make no mistakes.

01:18:52.140 But she looks to me like one big mistake because she's the most artificial, scripted, stiff, and

01:18:59.440 unhappy looking human being I've seen for a long time. 1.00

01:19:02.820 And she is the most inept politician. 1.00

01:19:06.360 She is the opposite of a leader. 0.98

01:19:08.540 How could our Virginia friends even be considering putting this person in after Glenn Youngkin?

01:19:15.080 I beg you, beg you, beg you, if you were listening to this show in Virginia, vote for Winsome Sears.

01:19:21.160 Vote Republican up and down the line. 1.00

01:19:23.400 You cannot have that feckless idiot leading your commonwealth. 1.00

01:19:28.460 Don't do it. 1.00

01:19:29.960 I'm sorry, but this is like a five alarm fire. 1.00

01:19:32.440 That absolute moron is leading in the polls. 1.00

01:19:36.260 Now, they got tighter even before this debate. 1.00

01:19:38.640 The last poll I saw, I showed it within two.

01:19:41.500 And I pray to dear Jesus that it flips now so that Sears is winning.

01:19:48.920 This is, I don't live in Virginia.

01:19:50.540 I don't really have a personal stake, although I do have family there. 1.00

01:19:53.800 But you cannot let this absolute moron win your gubernatorial house. 1.00

01:19:58.640 You cannot do it. 1.00

01:20:00.480 There's one more.

01:20:03.180 It just didn't go well for Spanberger last night.

01:20:05.680 She was asked about recreational marijuana legalization.

01:20:09.580 It's another issue.

01:20:11.340 She did the thing you're talking about, Walter, the 1980s politician. 0.99

01:20:15.400 Dodge and weave and filler and word salad just trying to confuse you so that you don't know what the hell you just heard.

01:20:21.940 She's for it.

01:20:22.800 She's for it and she's against it.

01:20:25.080 All of it.

01:20:25.580 You know, when it works, it works well.

01:20:29.060 When it doesn't work, it doesn't work well.

01:20:30.800 Local people should have the ability to decide.

01:20:33.740 It's a big question, blah, blah, blah.

01:20:35.880 No, it's like I used to work with this PR guy who I actually love and he had the funniest lines.

01:20:41.100 And I remember him saying something like, I'm like, oh, you know, what should I do about this?

01:20:44.420 Or how should I handle this?

01:20:45.620 And he was like, you'll come up with it.

01:20:47.820 But whatever it is, I believe in it.

01:20:51.000 Whatever it is, I believe in it.

01:20:53.640 That's basically her. 0.75

01:20:55.260 Whatever I'm going to do, I believe in it.

01:20:57.820 And Winsome Sears called her out. 1.00

01:20:59.220 Listen to Sot 10.

01:20:59.900 It's important that there be transparency in what is available on the market.

01:21:05.740 It is extraordinarily important that we have transparency and that there is a clear market

01:21:12.200 in order to be enforced because it is in the absence of an open and clear and extraordinarily

01:21:21.740 transparent market that law enforcement is not able to.

01:21:25.880 Don't even know what you're saying.

01:21:27.700 Right on.

01:21:28.420 Time is up.

01:21:29.900 She's the blonde Kamala Harris. 1.00

01:21:33.880 She's a different kind of Kamala Harris. 0.97

01:21:36.400 Kamala tries to emote and give you a sense that she has feelings.

01:21:40.020 She doesn't even play that game. 1.00

01:21:42.100 I mean, she's as warm and fuzzy as a, you know, Ginsu knife.

01:21:47.820 But the problem also there is she clings to words as though they're her, you know, security

01:21:54.240 animal.

01:21:55.040 Transparency.

01:21:56.660 If I say that three times with no, with no real apparent link to the marijuana issue,

01:22:04.540 I'll get through this.

01:22:07.240 How did this woman make it anywhere into politics? 1.00

01:22:11.360 How did she become a U.S. congressperson? 1.00

01:22:13.200 I mean, not that the bar is high, but I just mean she's so inept. 1.00

01:22:16.980 Okay. 0.99

01:22:17.560 I got to keep going.

01:22:18.560 I think she not sort of come from the deep state or something like that.

01:22:22.880 I mean, what is her background?

01:22:25.360 I don't know.

01:22:25.880 Just how she was a U.S. congressperson from Virginia.

01:22:28.340 And she was one of the more moderate ones.

01:22:30.200 She was – the only thing people know her for is she was caught on tape. 0.96

01:22:32.700 There was that infamous tape of Democrats after – was it after the 2020 election?

01:22:37.900 But she was saying, stop saying defund the police.

01:22:42.120 And she was right about that because she was from a southern state and she was trying to speak to this Democrat caucus.

01:22:47.160 All right, enough time on her because –

01:22:48.600 She gives me a hostage vibe.

01:22:51.840 I mean –

01:22:52.520 That the big people in the background behind the curtain are – depending on her not to screw up because she's got to deliver that office.

01:23:00.120 That makes sense to me.

01:23:01.140 I didn't even say a word about the wardrobe because I'm feeling nice today.

01:23:05.720 So I'm just going to leave it at that.

01:23:07.600 Google it.

01:23:08.400 You can check it out for yourself what she was wearing to that debate.

01:23:11.960 I've got thoughts.

01:23:12.720 Today, I'm keeping them to myself.

01:23:14.520 I do want to say the moderators – I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw a lot of the clips – did a good job.

01:23:20.540 They were from Wavy 10, an NBC affiliate station owned by Nexstar.

01:23:25.700 They were Tom Schad and Deanna Allbritton.

01:23:29.120 And from what I saw, they did a very good job.

01:23:31.900 I mean, that was very solid how they kept following up.

01:23:35.060 Even though it was a Democrat, good job.

01:23:37.860 That's the way it should go.

01:23:39.140 All right, I have to take a break, and then we have got to come back.

01:23:42.280 We got Katie Porter to get to. 1.00

01:23:44.500 We got Jimmy Kimmel, who's not sorry at all. 0.98

01:23:48.360 And we've got that jerk, Trevor Noah, just – who thinks Charlie's murder is really funny. 0.95

01:24:00.120 He really wanted to have a laugh at the expense of Charlie Kirk as we approach the one-month point of his assassination. 0.99

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01:29:28.760 Walter Kern is back with me.

01:29:30.520 Do want to tell you that the reason I almost missed air today is because I went down to

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01:29:40.240 and participate in an event honoring him last night at the Kennedy Center.

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01:29:52.500 There I am with Pete and his beautiful wife, Jen, backstage.

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01:30:01.680 Met Tyler Kirsch.

01:30:02.880 Met Ann Wilson.

01:30:04.320 These great musical acts who performed.

01:30:06.440 Very talented young musicians.

01:30:09.020 So it was a beautiful night.

01:30:10.660 And the Kennedy Center is back.

01:30:13.100 And it is wonderful.

01:30:14.620 Honestly, it was in full form last night.

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01:30:34.040 Okay, let's keep going.

01:30:35.920 Katie Porter.

01:30:37.820 You and I need to know her.

01:30:39.640 Like, I feel like we would do well with her.

01:30:41.360 I feel like there'd be a lot to go over.

01:30:44.040 I want her at my next cocktail party. 1.00

01:30:46.580 I don't want to work for her or for her to be my governor.

01:30:50.400 But I definitely want her at like a dinner party and then I want someone to needle her. 1.00

01:30:57.100 Who wouldn't want to witness this, Walter?

01:30:59.600 She, of course, let's just play it again because it's just so fun. 1.00

01:31:04.120 We've got, do we have like a little shorter?

01:31:06.060 Yeah, we have a little shortened version of it.

01:31:08.200 We'll watch a little shortened version of Katie Porter with the CBS reporter, Julie Watts.

01:31:15.620 What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win?

01:31:20.400 Who voted for Trump?

01:31:22.920 How would I need them in order to win, ma'am?

01:31:25.420 Well, unless you think you're going to get 60% of the vote.

01:31:28.960 You think you'll get 60% of the vote.

01:31:30.220 You're getting angry.

01:31:31.160 Everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote for you.

01:31:32.680 That's what you're saying.

01:31:33.500 In a general election?

01:31:34.860 Yes.

01:31:35.360 You just said you don't need those Trump voters.

01:31:37.500 Well, you asked me if I needed them to win.

01:31:39.480 So you don't think you need them to win?

01:31:39.960 I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative.

01:31:42.120 What is your question?

01:31:43.140 The question is, what do you say to the 40% of voters who voted for Trump?

01:31:47.540 Oh, I'm happy to say that.

01:31:48.680 It's the do you need them to win part that I don't understand.

01:31:51.620 I'm happy to answer the question as you have it written, and I'll answer it.

01:31:54.460 And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California

01:31:59.220 voters to win?

01:31:59.900 And you're saying, no, you don't.

01:32:01.060 No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can.

01:32:04.180 And what I'm saying to you is that...

01:32:06.680 Well, to those voters...

01:32:07.680 Uh-oh.

01:32:07.700 Okay, so you...

01:32:08.720 I don't want to keep doing this.

01:32:09.640 I'm going to call it.

01:32:10.640 Thank you.

01:32:13.260 You're not going to do the interview with us?

01:32:15.400 Nope.

01:32:15.640 Not like this.

01:32:16.180 I'm not.

01:32:16.460 Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.

01:32:19.340 Every other candidate has answered our follow-ups.

01:32:20.760 I don't care.

01:32:21.660 I don't care.

01:32:22.580 I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation, which you ask me about every issue on this

01:32:26.820 list.

01:32:27.000 Well, this is news.

01:32:27.720 And if every question, you're going to make up a follow-up question, then we're never

01:32:31.080 going to get there.

01:32:33.060 And we're just going to circle around.

01:32:34.380 I am an investigative reporter.

01:32:35.700 I have never had to do this before.

01:32:36.880 Ever.

01:32:37.540 You've never had to have a conversation with a reporter?

01:32:40.560 To end an interview.

01:32:42.100 Okay, but every other candidate has done this.

01:32:44.380 What part of...

01:32:45.920 I'm me.

01:32:46.580 I'm me.

01:32:47.080 I'm running for governor because I'm a leader.

01:32:48.640 I don't want to have...

01:32:49.660 I'm a leader!

01:32:50.220 ...an unhappy experience with you.

01:32:51.360 And I don't want this all on camera.

01:32:52.940 I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either.

01:32:55.640 Oh, boy.

01:32:56.400 It broke down into group therapy there at the end.

01:33:02.720 What I loved about Katie Porter is she's so unappealing. 0.55

01:33:06.500 She starts out in a confrontational posture.

01:33:09.340 You know, she uses her hands as though she wants to, you know, push the other person off 1.00

01:33:13.240 the edge of the boat, basically.

01:33:15.380 But she also believes the audience is with her.

01:33:18.040 She keeps turning to the camera like, can you believe this?

01:33:21.160 And we're all looking at her going, we can't believe you, lady.

01:33:26.400 I want this to be a pleasant experience.

01:33:29.160 Ma'am, you're in a McDonald's.

01:33:30.720 It's truly like, this is news, madam.

01:33:33.620 You're running for governor.

01:33:34.920 No one ever promised you pleasant.

01:33:36.500 Do you understand how interviews work?

01:33:38.080 If you've ever wondered what the person on the other end of the phone, when you call the

01:33:43.280 IRS, is like, that's who it is.

01:33:46.100 It's her.

01:33:47.500 Yeah, it's her.

01:33:48.800 She is bureaucracy in a dress. 0.99

01:33:52.360 All this stuff is breaking about her.

01:33:53.880 It's blowing my mind.

01:33:54.820 I love it.

01:33:55.540 Like, I'm refreshing Twitter 25 times a day.

01:34:00.000 Politico dropped this one.

01:34:01.980 There's a couple we have today.

01:34:03.160 And then we went, we took a deep dive into her divorce records, which are fascinating, too.

01:34:07.300 I mean, it's not just her divorce records, but she's got a long history with some men 0.68

01:34:11.000 that doesn't go well.

01:34:12.000 Um, she is on video in July 2021, trying to do some taped piece with, um, Jennifer Granholm.

01:34:20.340 And, uh, they're not live on the air.

01:34:23.000 So a staffer apparently felt comfortable getting in the background of Katie's hit because she 1.00

01:34:27.260 had things she wanted Katie to know, I guess.

01:34:29.180 I, here's, I'll just let it play out.

01:34:30.900 Watch, SOT 11.

01:34:32.660 That we're going to lose more than half a million Californians dying prematurely to air pollution

01:34:38.440 and other problems.

01:34:39.260 Here comes a staffer. 1.00

01:34:39.800 And the state could lose, get out of my fucking shot. 0.99

01:34:44.520 I want to tell you that that's actually incorrect. 0.98

01:34:46.900 It's, it's not that it's electric vehicles.

01:34:48.940 It's that if we don't need the commitments under the Paris climate accord.

01:34:52.840 Okay.

01:34:53.640 It does.

01:34:54.060 Okay.

01:34:54.640 You also were in my shot before that.

01:34:57.720 She was? 0.64

01:34:58.860 Stay out of my shot.

01:35:00.340 Okay.

01:35:00.740 I'm going to start again with, um, electric vehicles saving us money.

01:35:04.220 Perfect.

01:35:04.780 Right.

01:35:05.040 Okay.

01:35:07.680 Okay.

01:35:08.120 Okay.

01:35:08.240 What, what, what, what's so amazing about that is here, she's, he, she's pretending up

01:35:12.780 front that she cares about people dying because of pollution and the lack of electric vehicles. 0.97

01:35:17.920 She's telling us, you know, it's the welfare of the people that matter. 0.99

01:35:21.140 But then suddenly we see her real priority in life, how she, you know, her fucking shot. 0.98

01:35:26.260 And so, I mean, again, there are movies that end like this, where a politician or a preacher 0.98

01:35:33.660 or a movie star who's gotten almost to the top, suddenly gets a hot mic and reveals their

01:35:39.660 true self.

01:35:40.320 And that's usually the climax of the movie and the person is ruined, but not anymore,

01:35:46.160 apparently.

01:35:47.180 And also the lady in the back, the lady in the back was used to this abuse. 1.00

01:35:50.920 You could tell her.

01:35:51.700 Totally.

01:35:52.780 She didn't jump or anything. 0.99

01:35:54.620 She's like, Oh, fucking, you know, I get a hundred times a day. 1.00

01:35:58.280 She just stood there. 1.00

01:35:59.460 She was, you know, it's just another day at Katie's.

01:36:02.660 Here's what's so funny to me.

01:36:05.760 Like Katie Porter was not wrong.

01:36:08.660 The staffer should not have gotten in the shot.

01:36:11.300 If Abby ever did that to me, I'd be like, yo, Abs, what's going on?

01:36:14.700 You know, we're trying to do something with Jennifer Granholm, but she can't control her 1.00

01:36:19.860 temper, even though she knows she's on camera and she's speaking to Jennifer Granholm, right?

01:36:26.120 Of Michigan.

01:36:26.840 Was she in the administration yet at that point?

01:36:28.760 I'm trying to remember my timing.

01:36:30.460 Yeah.

01:36:30.900 She had already become energy secretary.

01:36:33.260 So she, like, you don't want to humiliate yourself in front of important people.

01:36:37.540 And she, she blew a gasket. 1.00

01:36:39.960 She can't control.

01:36:40.840 And so now we find out this is post, post having gone through anger management classes.

01:36:52.340 This is the after.

01:36:54.280 Who put her in anger management? 1.00

01:36:55.700 The divorce court?

01:36:56.480 The judge because of the divorce.

01:36:58.900 It was very brutal.

01:37:00.220 I'll get to that.

01:37:00.860 But she's already, at this point, been through the anger management.

01:37:05.240 It didn't take.

01:37:05.540 Well, we don't know how bad she was before.

01:37:08.120 Maybe this is successful.

01:37:09.480 Maybe this is a success story.

01:37:11.460 You know, maybe she used to yell at everybody for everything. 0.92

01:37:14.080 And now it's just down to getting in her shot.

01:37:17.160 Wow.

01:37:17.560 I, so you know, you know that, you know, this is, this is wide and widespread here.

01:37:23.520 Here's another one that's making the rounds.

01:37:25.560 She's trying to do, um, a shot. 0.99

01:37:28.680 But I think she says she's backstage at, is it Kimmel?

01:37:32.100 Where is she?

01:37:32.540 She's, where?

01:37:33.480 Cuomo.

01:37:34.040 Cuomo.

01:37:34.420 Okay.

01:37:34.560 She's backstage at Cuomo.

01:37:35.660 And she's trying to do some sort of a hit from backstage. 1.00

01:37:38.600 And she's not happy with the, with the lighting.

01:37:41.760 She really, now in her defense, she would benefit from nice lighting.

01:37:45.480 But she's, she's really particular about it.

01:37:48.540 And here's how that went in 2021 SOT 14.

01:37:52.980 Oh, yes.

01:37:53.820 This is why I didn't want to, I need the lights off.

01:37:56.240 The bright lights.

01:37:57.300 I'm so sorry, but I am about to get on.

01:37:59.960 Bernard, I need you to turn these off.

01:38:02.080 Turn the lights off?

01:38:02.900 These that are killing me.

01:38:04.680 Hang on one second, everybody.

01:38:07.140 No, we should put the computer up.

01:38:09.460 Yes.

01:38:10.040 Yes, we should have.

01:38:11.460 Yes.

01:38:12.340 Okay, everybody.

01:38:13.520 I'm not that dark.

01:38:15.700 It's too dark.

01:38:16.420 She's, she's totally blacked out now.

01:38:20.860 Just a minute.

01:38:25.120 Yeah.

01:38:25.740 Oh, we probably, we should have dealt with the computer light before.

01:38:28.280 Yes.

01:38:28.860 Yes.

01:38:29.260 Yes.

01:38:29.540 We should have.

01:38:30.620 She's seething, Walter.

01:38:33.460 Okay.

01:38:34.080 This serial killer I wrote a book about, after he was sentenced to life imprisonment, I was

01:38:38.800 given a chance to go in the back of the courtroom and interview him for my book before he was

01:38:43.560 taken off to jail.

01:38:44.500 And he was, a documentary was being made about him by a German TV channel.

01:38:51.240 And look, this guy's just gotten sentenced for cutting two people up and burying them.

01:38:56.820 And he's about to go off in life in prison.

01:38:58.700 And he gives this last interview.

01:39:00.700 And in the middle of it, he says, is this my best side?

01:39:03.820 Oh, my God.

01:39:05.880 And, and, and, and I tell you, people who are, whose minds are this preoccupied with how they

01:39:14.240 are seeming from the outside at, at incredibly important moments are not like you and me.

01:39:22.420 I mean, Megan, obviously you're, you know, you're a beautiful and successful journalist

01:39:27.460 who, who, who knows what lighting is.

01:39:29.680 Even you're not like that though.

01:39:31.600 I don't think.

01:39:33.080 I wouldn't have allowed myself in that first interview with the CBS investigative reporter

01:39:39.200 to have been shot in the dark with weird blue lights coming out of my neck the way she was.

01:39:44.100 I think I would have noticed that, but yeah, she, she's got a history of worrying very much

01:39:50.160 about how she appears on camera and then not getting good results despite her worries.

01:39:55.260 That's what we see with Katie Porter. 1.00

01:39:57.040 She's obsessed with how the shot looks and it never looks good.

01:40:01.040 She's obsessed with how she looks same results. 0.95

01:40:04.240 And she is very quick to blame everybody else. 0.97

01:40:07.820 Take it.

01:40:08.680 Obsessed enough with how she looks.

01:40:10.180 I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying a personal trainer should force her his way

01:40:15.860 into her life, but you know, maybe so.

01:40:19.040 Well, there's something interesting about it because like this, this video of her walking

01:40:23.560 in a Batman, Batwoman outfit from 2019 is making the rounds.

01:40:28.400 She was celebrating something bad happening to Trump.

01:40:31.140 It was the first impeachment vote or something.

01:40:33.220 She was, she was very anti-Trump and she decided to wear her Batgirl costume to Congress.

01:40:39.880 It was Halloween.

01:40:41.220 Um, but I'm just like, there's something aggressive about this outfit.

01:40:45.520 I'm going to show it.

01:40:48.740 It's very short.

01:40:51.440 The boots are high.

01:40:52.540 I've seen a lot of legs.

01:40:53.700 Could you pay for the Green New Deal? 0.53

01:40:55.720 Can we replay it?

01:40:57.120 Just replay it because there's something going on in the front there too.

01:41:00.560 Does Alfred get minimum wage?

01:41:02.120 There.

01:41:03.100 If you, if you return the Batmobile, could you, could you pay for the Green New Deal? 0.95

01:41:06.920 All right.

01:41:07.200 So I'm just going to say, forgive me, but like, even I wear the Spanx, I wear the Spanx.

01:41:12.480 I pull them up.

01:41:13.320 It's like, I understand.

01:41:14.660 I get it after a certain age, you know, like you've had some kids, but I, there's something

01:41:19.180 aggressive about this outfit here.

01:41:20.720 Like she, she's like one of these leftists who wants to lean into making unattractive 1.00

01:41:26.960 decisions because they think it's somehow empowering rather than like telegraphing

01:41:31.600 personal dignity and like grooming and like appropriate nips and tucks, like a pair of Spanx

01:41:40.700 I'm talking about.

01:41:41.940 And I think this is part of her unhappiness.

01:41:44.220 Like I think her physical manifestation is reflecting a deep seated unhappiness inside

01:41:50.520 Walter, because now, now we're going to get to what is being reported via the daily mail

01:41:57.080 about a long and troubled love life.

01:42:00.360 She has an ex-husband.

01:42:02.680 Uh, they wrote this in November of 2024.

01:42:04.720 He accuses her of having dumped boiling potatoes on his head, scalding his scalp, said he was 1.00

01:42:14.760 too dumb to have a cell phone and of calling him a fucking slob among other things. 0.99

01:42:20.780 He says the following that, um, they each filed restraining orders against each other and alleged 1.00

01:42:27.140 abuse.

01:42:27.560 The daily mail reports that he insisted she was prone to extreme anger and had a history of

01:42:33.860 snapping and screaming at him and the children that they frequently said things. 1.00

01:42:38.600 She's frequently said things to him like you fucking idiot. 1.00

01:42:41.980 And you're fucking incompetent. 1.00

01:42:43.580 She would not let me have a cell phone because she said, you're too fucking dumb to operate 1.00

01:42:47.760 it. 1.00

01:42:48.020 Now, what kind of a man would allow his wife to, to, to determine whether or not he had a 1.00

01:42:54.520 cell phone?

01:42:55.260 He goes on the daily mail reports to say that in 2012, she came home from work one day and

01:43:00.840 was enraged that the house was not clean, slammed a glass coffee pot on the counter, causing glass

01:43:06.220 shards to spray everywhere and cut him quote. 0.93

01:43:09.900 This house is a mess. 1.00

01:43:11.220 You effing slob. 1.00

01:43:12.740 You're incompetent. 1.00

01:43:14.000 What the F do you do all day? 1.00

01:43:15.580 She allegedly said while the three kids were nearby in the living room, he said Porter began 0.92

01:43:20.180 picking up dishes and saying, look at how effing dirty this is.

01:43:24.920 Goes on to say that's, uh, that the oldest child, Luke was in the high chair.

01:43:28.600 She looked at the potatoes in a ceramic bowl and yelled, can't you read the effing instructions? 1.00

01:43:33.980 She then took the ceramic bowl of steaming hot potatoes and dumped it on my head, burning 0.98

01:43:39.100 my scalp.

01:43:39.780 He says, um, he, he says she stood over their son who was two and a half years old and screamed,

01:43:47.820 get out of my face and leave me alone. 1.00

01:43:51.300 He, the husband says that he then rushed in and Katie Porter struck him in the face and

01:43:57.420 said, why can't you keep them away from me?

01:44:01.140 Uh, she then called that allegation absolutely false.

01:44:04.860 So she denied at least some hefty portion of this. 1.00

01:44:08.420 She said, he says she came in as he made jello with the kids and said, are you so effing stupid? 1.00

01:44:15.460 You can't make jello? 1.00

01:44:17.380 How effing dumb are you? 1.00

01:44:19.140 Again, in her defense, if you can't make the jello, that is dumb. 1.00

01:44:22.500 But Ted, Ted on the angry side of the messaging. 0.66

01:44:25.480 He's teaching every little kid learns to cook by making jello first.

01:44:30.140 I, I don't know.

01:44:31.400 It seems he wasn't able to do it nor to clean the house.

01:44:34.220 And if he didn't have a job, he should have been cleaning the house.

01:44:36.640 I'm just saying I'm principle.

01:44:38.240 Some of these points might be valid, but the execution of it, um,

01:44:41.960 he accused her, I'm trying to find a way to defend this gal. 0.99

01:44:47.620 The ex-husband accused her of refusing to leave the house when it was his visitation day,

01:44:52.340 when they were separated, that she slowly moved around, quote,

01:44:56.600 taunting and laughing at me.

01:44:59.400 Porter insisted she was simply getting ready for work.

01:45:02.120 Hoffman, the ex, said Porter began brushing her teeth very slowly. 0.57

01:45:06.380 And he punched a light switch out of frustration, he admits.

01:45:10.860 Porter claimed that the ex, Hoffman, squeezed her hands,

01:45:14.640 ripped the dental floss right out of her hand,

01:45:17.420 demanded that she leave the home,

01:45:19.140 and yelled that she was ruining our children. 1.00

01:45:22.380 Called her a dumb B-word, a despicable person, 1.00

01:45:26.000 effing evil, and told her she should rot in hell. 1.00

01:45:29.460 The soon-to-be ex, Hoffman, excuse me, 0.99

01:45:32.180 admits to grabbing her hands to take the toothbrush away.

01:45:35.560 Claimed that Porter was the one who ran at him and punched him,

01:45:39.040 causing a bruise on his arm.

01:45:41.760 Porter went to work and then called the police nearly 11 hours later.

01:45:47.300 And then there were mutual restraining orders.

01:45:50.980 It broke down.

01:45:52.440 It's, she alleges he had committed some abuse as well.

01:45:57.480 Um, Hoffman had hit her,

01:46:00.800 according to their seven-year-old boy,

01:46:02.720 that she was victimized by the ex.

01:46:05.560 And had kicked,

01:46:07.360 maybe the child says had kicked him.

01:46:09.720 That's unclear to me who the him is,

01:46:11.680 but did not go into detail.

01:46:13.000 It's a hot mess.

01:46:14.060 That's really what we're getting at here, Walter.

01:46:16.060 And then just, I'll put an opinion in it.

01:46:18.480 But another,

01:46:19.620 another very similar situation happened then

01:46:22.080 with her live-in boyfriend,

01:46:24.400 who also,

01:46:26.020 they claim abuse,

01:46:27.160 mutual accusations,

01:46:28.340 mutual restraining.

01:46:29.000 Like,

01:46:29.880 this person wants to be governor of California,

01:46:32.340 Walter.

01:46:34.520 First of all,

01:46:35.360 how does she attract men? 1.00

01:46:37.440 It's a mystery.

01:46:38.920 And how does she attract political support? 1.00

01:46:42.400 That's a mystery.

01:46:43.200 This is all very fun,

01:46:45.600 National Enquirer,

01:46:47.200 salacious,

01:46:48.460 you know,

01:46:48.900 daytime drama.

01:46:50.300 But it suggests to me

01:46:53.320 that these party machines,

01:46:56.360 and California is a party machine,

01:46:58.920 only,

01:46:59.300 only a machine would bring up a candidate like that.

01:47:02.360 Only a machine that could deliver the office to,

01:47:05.300 you know,

01:47:06.000 a hippopotamus or a Frankenstein monster 0.58

01:47:09.100 would nominate her.

01:47:10.360 why do these people flourish in this environment?

01:47:14.060 What is it about our politics

01:47:15.480 that encourages

01:47:16.820 and is,

01:47:18.300 and is

01:47:19.440 receptive

01:47:22.060 to

01:47:22.820 psychos? 1.00

01:47:24.280 Because she looks like a psycho. 1.00

01:47:26.260 I, 0.99

01:47:26.560 I just think of Kathy Bates

01:47:28.160 in Misery,

01:47:29.440 standing over

01:47:30.160 the bed of the writer,

01:47:31.780 saying,

01:47:32.240 I'm her biggest fan.

01:47:33.840 You know,

01:47:34.540 and,

01:47:35.640 but,

01:47:35.800 but,

01:47:36.320 or has America lost,

01:47:38.420 we've gotten so damn tolerant,

01:47:39.960 and so don't judge a book by its cover,

01:47:42.280 that,

01:47:42.760 you know,

01:47:43.000 people can walk up to us with a knife 0.99

01:47:44.900 and shove it between our eyes. 0.93

01:47:47.040 I don't know.

01:47:47.360 And we're like,

01:47:47.880 yeah,

01:47:48.280 well,

01:47:48.740 you know,

01:47:49.320 could have been worse.

01:47:50.560 It's amazing to me that she had any sort of a political career

01:47:53.400 after all of this.

01:47:54.960 I mean,

01:47:55.260 she's,

01:47:55.760 her staff has already come out and said that she's abusive, 0.98

01:47:57.640 and now,

01:47:58.680 and she's issued some anodyne statement saying,

01:48:00.980 like,

01:48:01.220 I,

01:48:01.560 I've been trying to do better with the staff,

01:48:04.140 but like,

01:48:05.460 there's a long pattern here of some very questionable,

01:48:09.500 frankly,

01:48:10.020 nutty behavior is how it looks to me,

01:48:12.380 and that I think we just scratched the surface in that CBS investigative reporter interview.

01:48:18.220 So let me,

01:48:19.220 let me just give you the synopsis of what then allegedly happened with the boyfriend.

01:48:24.780 I mean,

01:48:24.940 I'm sorry,

01:48:25.340 but this is like,

01:48:26.520 she wants to be elevated to a very important post, 0.99

01:48:28.940 and this is fair game for a politician.

01:48:30.460 So the Daily Mail reported same time,

01:48:33.480 November,

01:48:33.880 2024,

01:48:35.360 the following,

01:48:36.640 that she obtained a temporary restraining order against her ex-boyfriend,

01:48:42.860 someone by the last name Willis,

01:48:45.160 after accusing him in court of abuse and harassment that she said caused her to fear for her safety.

01:48:51.920 She petitioned for domestic violence restraining order in November,

01:48:55.580 2024.

01:48:56.280 This is after that whole meltdown with the husband.

01:48:58.940 These are not good choices.

01:49:00.460 In a partner by this woman,

01:49:02.980 she alleged that her romantic partner of several years sent her,

01:49:06.120 her family,

01:49:06.480 and her staff more than a thousand text messages and emails over three months.

01:49:10.860 The judge approved the order,

01:49:12.280 ordering the boyfriend to make no contact and to stay away from her and her children,

01:49:17.420 including in the case filing included in,

01:49:20.400 were details about the threats that she allegedly received.

01:49:23.660 the threats against her to call child protective services that he was making to remove her children from her custody.

01:49:32.480 Also detailed attempts to extort Porter for thousands of dollars and to make defamatory false allegations,

01:49:39.140 like her having a sexually transmitted disease. 1.00

01:49:43.480 She said she submitted test results to the court to prove she did not have the STD political reported.

01:49:50.640 Porter said that Willis 55 was dealing with substance abuse and has mental health issues,

01:49:57.460 which led to him being involuntarily committed twice since 2022.

01:50:03.520 This thing's being written in 2024.

01:50:05.820 According to Porter,

01:50:06.620 he had taken steps to address his issues like attending narcotics and anonymous meetings and staying in a sober living house.

01:50:12.580 But she claimed to have witnessed his continued substance abuse.

01:50:15.860 She'd seen him misusing.

01:50:17.400 She claimed prescription painkillers,

01:50:19.600 snorting Ritalin and abusing cannabis and nicotine patches.

01:50:22.600 He also previously disclosed to me.

01:50:24.400 She claimed his use of cocaine and nitrous oxide.

01:50:27.100 He told Politico that,

01:50:29.840 um,

01:50:31.080 he accused her of seeking the restraining order to preempt him from suing her and seeking protection for himself and her children.

01:50:38.480 He told Politico quote, 0.99

01:50:40.380 she's a monster. 1.00

01:50:42.580 I mean, 0.99

01:50:44.940 here's the question I have for you.

01:50:47.020 If you know,

01:50:47.680 you got this history.

01:50:48.840 I mean,

01:50:49.480 this is like, 0.89

01:50:50.140 this is a long ass history.

01:50:51.800 A lot of great women have made bad choices in men and vice versa too. 1.00

01:50:56.000 But if you have a pattern of absolutely volatile relationships involving restraining orders and mandated anger management cases or classes and physical and verbal abuse,

01:51:10.040 some of which involves your children,

01:51:11.800 why would you run for public office and why would you ever let yourself lose your temper in as public a setting as an interview with CBS News?

01:51:25.460 That is just waving the red flag at the bull. 0.99

01:51:29.520 The media is going to figure out whether you have an anger issue.

01:51:34.820 And it had all been kind of forgotten.

01:51:37.180 Now we're almost in November of 2025.

01:51:40.420 This was not an issue in her campaign until now.

01:51:44.000 Well, 0.66

01:51:46.940 the reason you do all those things is because you're a psychopath with no conscience who believes you're right about everything and that the world made you do whatever wrong things you've done. 0.91

01:51:57.220 And in fact, 0.94

01:51:57.840 it does much worse and hides it. 1.00

01:51:59.820 So they're all hypocrites. 0.88

01:52:01.360 And you're such an important political figure and your plans for saving California are so vital that how dare they get down into these soap opera details? 0.95

01:52:11.880 Are they not serious?

01:52:12.940 These are not these are not people like you and me.

01:52:17.800 They don't have a boundary at which they reflect and go, wow, that was a mistake.

01:52:22.500 They're not Walter Kern going, oh, my God, I forgot to, you know, set my alarm right for going on the Megan show.

01:52:29.000 I'm going to go out and slap myself.

01:52:31.120 These are a whole new breed of people. 0.80

01:52:34.000 And they do very well in politics.

01:52:37.440 We used to see movies about them like Sunset Boulevard, you know, or Mommy Dearest.

01:52:42.140 Apparently, they exist in Hollywood, too.

01:52:44.280 But they've jumped the gap and they've made it into politics.

01:52:47.520 Imagine that woman in charge of COVID policy during the pandemic.

01:52:51.440 Oh, my God.

01:52:51.960 She would have had us all walking on our knees down the street with like hostages with her hands behind our head, you know, being sprayed down by insecticide. 1.00

01:53:00.940 I mean, it's dangerous.

01:53:03.140 Can you imagine the number of lawsuits California is going to get from the staffers who claim hostile work environment?

01:53:08.660 I mean, just you're setting yourselves up to fail.

01:53:11.040 Now, here's an alternate viewpoint, because to me, it's ironic.

01:53:14.260 Like I like I said, I I thought the CBS investigative reporter was wonderfully passive aggressive.

01:53:21.360 Like she did.

01:53:22.280 She did a great job. 0.95

01:53:23.220 But she was needling her over and over, which is our job.

01:53:26.800 I enjoyed it.

01:53:27.960 But I also understood why she was getting annoyed.

01:53:30.940 Which is what I actually love about the interview.

01:53:33.500 I also feel her staffer should not have gotten in the back of her shot, but she should have handled it differently.

01:53:39.480 Like I would not have been happy with my lighting in that backstage at Cuomo thing.

01:53:44.980 But she's a nasty person who's seething like the level of anger was disproportionate to the event. 1.00

01:53:51.220 So it's not that she doesn't have any points to be raised.

01:53:53.820 It's just she can't seem to modulate her emotions, which is bad because she's a woman and female politicians really do extra need to keep it together. 1.00

01:54:04.380 And B, any politician does.

01:54:07.760 Any man who is this volatile would be getting called out, too.

01:54:11.520 But the view, they have a different view.

01:54:15.200 Oh, here's that 18.

01:54:18.020 Maybe she's having a menopausal moment.

01:54:19.720 Well, she's, you know, listen, anything is possible.

01:54:23.340 But she said in a statement that she's striving to do better, quote, saying,

01:54:26.620 And I have sought to be more intentional in showing gratitude to my staff for their important work.

01:54:31.840 Now, you know, some people apparently are surprised by these videos.

01:54:36.260 I am not.

01:54:37.100 We see these videos with guys.

01:54:39.020 We saw it with, oh, my God.

01:54:42.040 Bill O'Reilly.

01:54:42.480 Bill O'Reilly.

01:54:43.280 We've seen it with Laura Ingraham.

01:54:45.500 We've seen it with lots of different people.

01:54:47.380 We've seen it with actors.

01:54:48.720 Trump does it every minute.

01:54:49.980 And he always says to people, you're the worst. 0.82

01:54:53.500 I don't like you. 0.71

01:54:54.700 I don't know who you are.

01:54:55.980 I don't know why you.

01:54:56.740 Yeah.

01:54:57.240 You know, maybe people are having a bad day.

01:55:00.400 I can't imagine it could be easy to be running for something because it's kind of like us.

01:55:07.020 We always have to now be on our best behavior.

01:55:10.460 We have to watch what we say.

01:55:11.620 We have to watch how we say it.

01:55:13.400 And sometimes it gets really frustrating because you just want to say, this is how I feel.

01:55:19.060 Okay.

01:55:19.540 Whoopi Goldberg was accused by Sage Steele of, of like getting up, right?

01:55:26.740 Wasn't it?

01:55:27.240 Whoopi of getting up in her face?

01:55:29.060 Oh, it was Barbara.

01:55:29.820 Barbara.

01:55:30.100 Whoopi was there.

01:55:31.040 Barbara Walters, who ran that show, was accused of getting up in Sage Steele's face and like 0.94

01:55:35.340 physically assaulting her backstage.

01:55:36.920 So that's the environment at The View.

01:55:41.980 Bill O'Reilly did have a fame, an infamous on-air meltdown when he was at Inside Edition.

01:55:47.880 Remember when he's like, F it!

01:55:49.160 We'll do it live.

01:55:50.480 You know, I don't know if you've seen it.

01:55:51.820 It's one of the greatest things ever.

01:55:52.880 We'll drop it in here.

01:55:53.760 But it's one of the greatest things you've ever seen.

01:55:55.360 Now, I can't read it.

01:55:57.160 There's no, there's no words on it.

01:55:59.060 Okay.

01:56:01.060 Right?

01:56:01.740 Sure.

01:56:02.100 There's no words there to play us out.

01:56:04.800 What does that mean?

01:56:05.660 To play us out.

01:56:07.320 I don't know what that means, to play us out.

01:56:09.760 What does that mean?

01:56:11.600 To end the show?

01:56:12.780 Yeah.

01:56:13.520 Yeah.

01:56:15.040 All right.

01:56:15.660 Go.

01:56:16.020 Go.

01:56:16.220 In five, four, three.

01:56:19.660 That's tomorrow.

01:56:21.000 And that is it.

01:56:22.640 In five, four, three.

01:56:26.360 That's tomorrow.

01:56:27.580 And that is it for us today.

01:56:29.360 And we will leave you with a...

01:56:31.540 I can't do it.

01:56:33.720 We'll do it live.

01:56:35.040 Okay.

01:56:36.580 We'll do it live. 1.00

01:56:38.100 Fuck it. 1.00

01:56:39.360 Do it live. 1.00

01:56:40.620 I'll write it and we'll do it live. 1.00

01:56:44.100 Fucking thing sucks. 1.00

01:56:47.380 Laura Ingram, too, had been not so great with the crew. 1.00

01:56:51.160 And they obviously recorded it and put it out on a video.

01:56:55.360 Many years ago.

01:56:57.020 But neither of those two is running for governor of California.

01:57:01.880 So it's really more of like a Fox News internal thing or Inside Edition internal thing.

01:57:08.560 I'm not sure we can make that comparison, Walter.

01:57:11.380 Well, you know, I don't want to call journalists TV people, but TV people whose job is to, you know, present to the entire country, lit, made up from a, you know, in a coherent way.

01:57:24.040 Like, we expect one thing from them when things screw up.

01:57:29.000 You know, they're being professionally compromised.

01:57:32.040 That a politician turns out to be almost the biggest TV person of all.

01:57:40.380 That, in fact, they have, they're more monstrous than, you know, anyone we've seen there.

01:57:46.960 And the thing is, she doesn't just snap.

01:57:50.720 She pours boiling potato water over people's heads.

01:57:54.700 And all we saw of her at first.

01:57:56.920 Allegedly.

01:57:57.640 But all we saw of her at first was that interview.

01:58:00.100 And what do you know?

01:58:01.740 That interview was not snapping.

01:58:04.420 That was just how she handles other people. 0.99

01:58:06.980 It wasn't that there was some moment where she went awry.

01:58:12.180 And when you dig and you keep peeling the onion back and it gets worse and worse and worse, I'd say you've got a case.

01:58:19.420 But once again, on The View, we're in a country now where there are excuses for the most flagrant and obvious human behavior of the worst infantile.

01:58:31.380 What's with the menopausal moment thing?

01:58:33.240 What the F?

01:58:33.820 If a man said that, he'd get fired.

01:58:35.580 Oh, I know.

01:58:37.920 I know.

01:58:39.020 Menopause.

01:58:39.740 And, you know, now there's premenopause.

01:58:41.520 So half a woman's life has got a pre-made excuse. 1.00

01:58:44.840 But sorry to be that guy. 0.99

01:58:45.740 So you get to be a raging bitch for eight, ten years and nobody can hold you to account? 1.00

01:58:51.660 Well, then you can't run for governor. 0.99

01:58:52.960 If we're going to lean on that crutch, then you can't be a governor between the ages of 45 and 55 or whatever.

01:58:59.580 But maybe women, maybe it works as an electoral strategy. 1.00

01:59:02.880 Because maybe women in the country are so frustrated. 1.00

01:59:06.660 Maybe there's something to the feminist critique of society. 1.00

01:59:10.200 They've been kept down for so long that people like this are kind of acting out the frustrated fantasies of the voter.

01:59:20.440 Maybe.

01:59:21.140 I don't know.

01:59:22.060 She's not paying much of a price for it.

01:59:24.340 Well, I was thinking, I mean, like, I honestly, on the subject of, you know, my therapist who I saw after my first marriage ended, you know, I think Katie Porter probably has some very low self-esteem.

01:59:35.600 I think that's why she's so obsessed with how she looks and how the lighting is and whether the staffer's back there in a way that it makes her quick to anger.

01:59:44.560 You know, I mean, we, again, being part of a professional television person, I absolutely would say, yo, abs, you're in my shot.

01:59:53.100 Just like that.

01:59:54.540 So it's, I'm not objecting to the, the caring about that.

01:59:58.760 But she seems like to be very angry if it's not going her way. 0.90

02:00:02.860 And I think there are a lot of women who don't just choose one partner who's an absolute loser, but have a series of absolute losers in the past. 1.00

02:00:14.240 They love losers because they love losers because they can berate them all day. 0.95

02:00:18.780 They know reliably that they'll come home and something will be broken. 0.78

02:00:22.800 So they'll get a chance to yell.

02:00:24.320 They'll get a chance to humiliate.

02:00:26.340 But the real reason I don't want this character in charge of our politics is because they have a lot of power.

02:00:34.520 And in an era of pandemics and fires and public emergencies and all sorts of moments when someone rises to almost, you know, authoritarian executive power, enduring emergencies and so on.

02:00:49.620 Somebody like that can ruin your life, can ruin your economy, can ruin your, your, your, your, your peace of mind.

02:00:59.920 I mean, Gavin Newsom, he was kind of a semi dictator, but really he just wanted to slip off to the French laundry and toast and, you know, get it on with his fancy friends.

02:01:08.440 She, she, man, she put a fricking roadblock around every Los Angeles neighborhood and have, you know, nighttime night goggle patrols looking in your window. 1.00

02:01:22.000 She doesn't seem like an emotionally healthy person.

02:01:25.420 And I think that would concern me if I were a California voter.

02:01:30.340 I don't, that's not, you got to, again, right back to the, put this one back on the shelf.

02:01:35.920 There are lots of them.

02:01:36.780 This is, we're very early in the Democrat primary process out in California.

02:01:40.780 Got a lot of people running for it.

02:01:42.760 We all know whoever gets the Democrat nod is going to be the winner in all likelihood, unfortunately.

02:01:47.480 But put this one back.

02:01:49.500 This is not the one.

02:01:50.300 You can do better.

02:01:50.980 Okay.

02:01:51.700 Speaking of people who are on TV and worry about their image, Jimmy Kimmel has decided to give a full-throated interview about his five days suspension for him.

02:02:05.820 It's, um, it was on Bloomberg.

02:02:09.000 He sat down with Bloomberg and this is how he describes his free speech martyrdom five days off the air.

02:02:19.560 It's not 26.

02:02:21.020 I didn't think there was a big problem.

02:02:23.140 I, you know, I just saw it as distortion on the part of, uh, some of the right-wing media networks.

02:02:30.320 And I was, I aimed to correct it.

02:02:33.660 And so at what point did you realize this was a problem?

02:02:37.320 I think when, um, when they pulled the show off the air.

02:02:40.620 I was like, well, that's unusual.

02:02:44.400 Yeah.

02:02:44.940 The important thing to me was that I was able to explain what I was saying, what I was trying to say.

02:02:54.520 Because you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized.

02:02:57.900 I didn't feel like it was.

02:02:59.160 It was intentionally and I think maliciously mischaracterized.

02:03:04.120 Well, he does that for a living, he mischaracterizes and maliciously misrepresents, you know, Donald Trump or anybody he doesn't like.

02:03:15.440 So, uh, you know, I guess he, he knows what it feels like now.

02:03:19.140 But here's the thing, he, he went out there and tried to say that the man who shot Charlie Kirk was MAGA.

02:03:27.780 That's what he clearly was saying.

02:03:30.640 And he was flipping about it.

02:03:33.120 He was flipping about Charlie.

02:03:35.100 At a time when MAGA was suffering the loss of a beloved fellow MAGA member and, and leader,

02:03:42.360 he took a dump all over them and then tried to say they had somehow produced Charlie's killer.

02:03:50.520 And there's not a scintilla of truth to it.

02:03:52.740 Just as a reminder, here's what he said that led to his suspension.

02:03:55.960 Sot 27.

02:03:57.940 We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.

02:04:06.920 And doing everything they can to score political points from it.

02:04:10.400 MAGA reacted by saying, how dare you suggest he was one of ours?

02:04:16.200 He wasn't.

02:04:17.120 He was a leftist.

02:04:18.240 He wrote it on the bullet casings.

02:04:20.060 His family says it's so.

02:04:21.720 The governor of Utah says it's so.

02:04:24.100 And he, his defense is, I was maliciously mischaracterized.

02:04:29.840 By whom?

02:04:30.680 I wish the reporter had done his job and said, exactly how were your remarks mischaracterized?

02:04:36.680 What, what did you say?

02:04:38.140 And what did they say you said that was wrong?

02:04:41.700 I don't think he could answer that question.

02:04:45.060 Yeah.

02:04:45.620 Yeah.

02:04:45.820 I still don't know what was mischaracterized there.

02:04:48.560 It was a little bit subtle.

02:04:50.500 You know, he couched it in a negative, you know, but, but, but he was obviously saying that he knew and the identity of the killer was obvious. 0.92

02:04:59.960 And his sympathies were obvious and look at these pathetic MAGA people trying to obscure the truth when it was him trying to obscure the truth. 0.92

02:05:10.460 And it was very subtle and these people are actors and the thought that it just sort of came out or people mischaracterized him or he could have said it differently is ridiculous. 0.96

02:05:21.220 Every one of those words is worth its weight in gold is rehearsed.

02:05:25.160 And that guy's a professional.

02:05:26.440 He knew, he knew that his staggering, failing career was going to be well served by a controversy like this.

02:05:36.680 I was told months ago that he was on the way out, you know, when Colbert got canceled.

02:05:41.920 And, and, and I, this, this was, I think, a cynical attempt to, at a very tender moment, kick the hornet's nest, get himself back in the headlines.

02:05:55.000 And, but the funny thing is Jimmy Kimmel is not talented enough and his product is not in demand enough that he'll last.

02:06:04.020 So, but, but he does seem a little bit like he's lost some of his swagger.

02:06:10.480 Some of the wind's gone out of him because I think he realizes that, um, though he can, though he can get attention through extreme measures, he's, that's about all.

02:06:23.580 And, uh, I, I think he'll just quietly shuffle off the stage at some point.

02:06:28.960 I really hope he does because this is amazing.

02:06:31.420 Like he is not taking responsibility for what he did.

02:06:33.420 He was not mischaracterized.

02:06:34.500 The problem is he was characterized exactly right.

02:06:36.500 And what he said was wrong and it was really offensive and he did not give two dams that he was pouring salt in the wounds of a whole group of half of the country that was really suffering.

02:06:47.180 He, and now he has the nerve to come out and play the victim.

02:06:50.160 It's, he didn't do anything wrong.

02:06:52.140 He was mischaracterized.

02:06:53.420 This is exactly why Disney pulled the show and wanted him to apologize, which he did not do.

02:07:00.060 And he's back on the air again, demiddling ratings.

02:07:03.400 Okay.

02:07:03.860 So speaking.

02:07:04.260 Our celebrity, our celebrity culture is really, is really damaging us.

02:07:09.140 We've now got prima donna, you know, movie star governor people.

02:07:13.960 We've got, uh, people fantasizing about death in the way that you see in a movie.

02:07:18.940 And you've got people pretending it's not real on late night TV.

02:07:22.980 We're moving into a kind of, you know, twilight zone of unreality that I don't know how we pull ourselves out of.

02:07:30.800 Turn it off.

02:07:32.000 Don't watch it.

02:07:32.860 Don't, don't let yourself get pulled in.

02:07:35.100 It's, it's infuriating.

02:07:37.120 It'll make your life far worse.

02:07:38.820 I never watched that stuff.

02:07:39.980 I mean, I don't think the audience listening to this does either.

02:07:42.200 We just see the clips and it, they make us angry because they're, I mean, it's one thing we're used to being ripped on. 0.98

02:07:48.260 We're used to like nasty, untrue jokes about Republicans, but just don't, don't, don't fucking joke about Charlie Kirk. 0.89

02:07:54.940 I mean, truly don't like we're still in mourning. 0.97

02:07:56.740 It's so heartless.

02:07:57.960 It's so nasty. 0.88

02:07:59.660 Don't lie about his, his killer being MAGA.

02:08:04.100 Like, what are you saying?

02:08:05.240 And he's got a very big platform and he's supposed to be this comedian and he won't take the responsibility because he always just says jokes, jokes, jokes.

02:08:12.200 And that leads me to Trevor Noah, who just, this is really dreadful.

02:08:18.660 This is really dreadful.

02:08:20.120 He couldn't help himself.

02:08:21.760 He appeared, I believe it was at the Comedy Cellar, which I love.

02:08:26.820 And this is what he said this week. 0.98

02:08:29.900 Meanwhile, here, comedians are shitting themselves. 0.69

02:08:34.520 Don't, don't say anything about Charlie Kirk.

02:08:36.060 I wasn't going to say anything about, yeah, but don't say anything about Charlie.

02:08:38.180 I wasn't going to say anything about Charlie.

02:08:40.500 But don't, there's nothing funny about it.

02:08:42.800 Oh, now you tested me.

02:08:44.040 I mean, there's, there's nothing funny about it.

02:08:47.280 You can't say there's nothing funny about it.

02:08:49.540 No, there's nothing fun.

02:08:50.520 No, don't say that because as a comedian, I'll be like, I'm sure there's something funny about it.

02:08:55.160 The guy was shot while defending guns.

02:08:57.640 Do you understand how, I'm not even writing that as a joke.

02:09:00.760 As a human, you have to admit that is an incongruous, funny thing that happens.

02:09:05.500 You are there on, you're like on stage and you're like, let me tell you why people should have guns.

02:09:09.480 That would be like if the captain of the Titanic was giving an impassioned speech about icebergs right before it happened.

02:09:20.260 He was just there and he's like, I'll tell you why icebergs are not as bad as people say.

02:09:26.860 So Charlie slipped on a banana peel as far as he's concerned.

02:09:33.040 You know, you know, a bad comedian when they have to lie to make their joke work.

02:09:37.280 That's not what Charlie Kirk was talking about when he was shot.

02:09:40.400 No, it's not at all.

02:09:41.420 We pulled it.

02:09:42.420 We pulled it.

02:09:43.200 We're not going to show the gunshot, obviously, but we are going to show the last couple of questions that Trevor Noah is mischaracterizing.

02:09:49.900 It was about trans mass shooters.

02:09:52.660 Trans. 0.97

02:09:53.080 It was about the trans issue and who's committing these massacres here. 1.00

02:09:59.880 So do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years? 1.00

02:10:04.880 Too many. 0.97

02:10:07.280 It's five.

02:10:12.540 Okay.

02:10:12.860 Now, five is a lot, right?

02:10:13.900 I'm going to give you some credit.

02:10:15.320 Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?

02:10:20.320 Counting or not counting gang violence?

02:10:23.280 Counting or counting?

02:10:24.300 Not counting. 0.89

02:10:24.620 So the questioner is building up to try to say trans people don't commit murders. 0.98

02:10:30.360 Trans people aren't out there doing mass shootings.

02:10:32.360 Now, if Trevor Noah wanted to say that was the irony, that they were talking about how low the number of trans shooters allegedly is, and then Charlie got shot by somebody who was into furry culture who was dating a trans person.

02:10:46.280 It's not funny, but he at least could have made an actual connection, but he wasn't celebrating guns there.

02:10:52.120 Charlie wasn't defending guns.

02:10:54.240 He was being asked about who's committing these shootings, the mental health of these trans people.

02:10:59.040 So it was a complete misrepresentation by Trevor Noah because he wouldn't actually draw the connection that actually is there, Walter.

02:11:06.320 He wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole.

02:11:08.920 You know, nope, nope.

02:11:10.660 One thing that comedians do, and the reason we laugh and laugh uncomfortably, especially in, you know, edgy comedy clubs, is they speak thoughts that we're afraid to speak ourselves.

02:11:21.000 You know, they say things that we would never say to our wife, but they say out loud, or they say things we would never say to our boss.

02:11:28.400 But he, I actually dispute his thesis that there was anything funny about that.

02:11:37.120 If there was some tiny, horrible, miserable, funny thing about that, that even the best person or normal person, you know, couldn't admit to, that would be one thing.

02:11:48.240 But I want to say, you're telling us about you.

02:11:50.700 You have told me nothing about myself.

02:11:52.920 You have told me nothing about the secret thoughts that other people have.

02:11:57.000 You are just making this up.

02:11:59.940 And I would sit back and go, Trevor, you can make me laugh about the unspoken, you know, prejudices of people and so on.

02:12:10.700 But don't impute that I'm laughing with you on this.

02:12:14.400 Don't bring me in here.

02:12:15.640 Don't make me part of the conspiracy.

02:12:17.620 I'm out of here.

02:12:18.520 And, oh, I would also say, hey, I've got a funny joke for you.

02:12:21.900 Bang, bang. 0.99

02:12:24.540 Why don't you hear this?

02:12:25.380 It's so disrespectful.

02:12:27.000 It's so disrespectful, Walter.

02:12:29.800 Someone who gets on a stage, why don't they fear the fact that America's stages and America's public places and America's ability to go out and speak in crowds has now been made really perilous?

02:12:43.100 Does he think he has some special?

02:12:45.800 Well, he's of the left.

02:12:46.840 He's of the left.

02:12:48.840 And, like, that's something that no one will acknowledge, that the people who are getting shot are right wing.

02:12:55.580 They're conservatives.

02:12:56.580 It is a lot harder for our pal Glenn Beck to go out there, as he did just the other night, in front of—it was a huge crowd.

02:13:06.800 Oh, my God.

02:13:07.260 The university—it was a Charlie event.

02:13:09.060 It's a lot harder for Glenn Beck to do that at a Charlie event than it is for Trevor Noah to stand up there because of the very thing that Charlie was debating with that kid who asked him the question because of who has been motivated to violence.

02:13:25.880 Because of how the left feels, one-third of them, according to the polls, about political violence versus the numbers on the right wing side, which are nil.

02:13:36.980 There are no right wingers, maybe one percent, the number show, who would entertain political violence.

02:13:41.800 And on the left, it is one-third.

02:13:44.720 That's why, Trevor, we're not all laughing because all of us would like to get home and see our children, something he clearly doesn't have to worry about for a number of reasons.

02:13:53.800 And he acted like he was brave.

02:13:57.640 The way the bit started was he said, I was warned not to talk about Charlie Kirk.

02:14:02.400 Everybody warned me, but I'm going to be brave and do it anyway.

02:14:05.900 That's his version of bravery.

02:14:08.200 The bravery on the right is I'm going to get up here and I might get shot, but I have something I want to say.

02:14:14.500 Your fear is that your joke might not land and you might get in trouble.

02:14:18.960 Well, Glenn Beck's fear is that somebody's going to blow his head off.

02:14:23.800 Yeah, and by the way, Glenn's daughter was standing in the tent with Charlie when Charlie was killed.

02:14:31.320 So, I mean, it was damn brave of Glenn Beck to go out there and stand up there and do that.

02:14:35.600 And I guarantee you his family was very worried about him.

02:14:38.560 Of course, his daughter, that would have required superhuman strength on her part, too, to say, Dad, do it.

02:14:43.640 Right?

02:14:43.960 Because that's, oh, she was right there.

02:14:46.180 She was an eyewitness.

02:14:46.920 He was on my show when it happened, the day it happened, one month ago today, telling us he was in tears about the fact that his daughter was so close to danger.

02:14:55.060 It's screw Trevor Noah.

02:14:56.500 I don't begrudge comedians the right to make light of our times and even to take tragedies and find a way to laugh.

02:15:05.440 Like, that is something comedians do.

02:15:07.760 But I'm telling you, A, it wasn't funny, B, it was dishonest, and C, maybe in reverse order, it's too soon.

02:15:15.680 It's really too soon.

02:15:16.880 I mean, I think I can speak for the Charlie fans.

02:15:19.540 We are not ready to have a laugh about him getting his head nearly blown off, Trevor. 1.00

02:15:27.060 So go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:15:28.240 I just, like, I've had it with these comedians trying to laugh and piss on his grave. 1.00

02:15:35.580 The essence of good comedy is bravery, is saying the thing that other people are afraid to say or too shy to say or, you know, too tongue-tied to say.

02:15:44.660 But this is not bravery we're seeing from these people.

02:15:48.360 This is wanting adulation as part of a call of anger and hatred.

02:15:54.920 Yeah, and cruelty.

02:15:55.620 And they're going into safe spaces, and they're saying the thing that their bubble partners want to hear, and they're kind of glorying in their sadistic fantasies.

02:16:07.140 And that's not what a comedian does.

02:16:09.540 A comedian challenges his audience.

02:16:11.620 He doesn't feed them.

02:16:13.240 It's gore.

02:16:15.400 All right, let's shift gears before we wrap it up, because we have to think about something nice.

02:16:19.780 I'll say something nice.

02:16:22.060 Fall has finally arrived here in the Northeast.

02:16:24.960 It had been wonderful.

02:16:27.240 It was, like, 80 degrees all last week, including here in New England.

02:16:31.300 Amazing.

02:16:32.420 But we woke up yesterday morning, and fall had arrived.

02:16:35.760 It was high of 60.

02:16:37.880 And that actually is exciting to me, even though I like warmth as much as anybody else.

02:16:43.040 The fall weather brings with it, like, nice sweaters and sweatshirts and fires and apple picking and cider donuts.

02:16:52.380 Trick or treat, Halloween.

02:16:54.600 I don't, like, it kicks off the holiday season in a real way, right?

02:16:58.380 Like, you get the fall, then you get the Halloween, then you get the Thanksgiving and the break.

02:17:01.980 You get the Christmas buildup and the actual holiday.

02:17:04.560 Like, it's a great stint between the kickoff of fall, like, the cold weather moving in, and then New Year's Eve.

02:17:12.020 Don't you think?

02:17:13.820 You made me want to go on a hayride with you, you know?

02:17:17.420 Yes!

02:17:18.660 With some plan.

02:17:19.740 Yeah, exactly.

02:17:21.840 It really is the best season for dressing.

02:17:25.240 You can go so many ways and use so many interesting, rich colors.

02:17:29.260 So I'm looking forward to, yeah, upping my wardrobe, a hayride with Meg and Kelly.

02:17:34.560 I'm really, you know, getting outdoors and remembering what it is to be cozy, safe in a sane America, because the end of this summer was just off a cliff.

02:17:48.200 And I hope we start to enjoy each other and value our, you know, value our time off together.

02:17:55.280 It can't go on this way much longer.

02:17:58.100 We can't do many more shows like this.

02:18:00.360 Yeah.

02:18:01.240 Are you a religious man, Walter?

02:18:04.440 Yes.

02:18:05.840 So.

02:18:06.680 I'm not an outwardly, you know, overtly wear it on my forehead person, yes.

02:18:15.080 But whenever I'm asked that question, it's my, you know, my reading of the Bible, my reading of the Christian message, is that when asked, you're supposed to say yes.

02:18:27.300 Uh, there were a few people there in Jerusalem who asked, when asked if they knew Jesus said, I've never seen the guy.

02:18:33.760 I don't want to be one of those.

02:18:36.040 Mm-hmm.

02:18:36.920 Well, I don't know.

02:18:38.820 I, I've been doing more reading on this front than I've ever done.

02:18:44.340 And I've really been wrestling with Charlie's death in, I've just been rattled, so rattled by it, just on multiple levels.

02:18:51.580 The loss of such an incredible soul, I'm very worried about Erica and his, his kids.

02:18:56.880 She's, she's in deep mourning.

02:18:57.980 The internet's horrible.

02:18:59.640 Um, but she's extremely upset still, as she should be.

02:19:03.880 And I still haven't wrestled with the fact, or like, under, come to understand the fact that, like, people are so callous, like Trevor Noah, and people are celebrating it, and people can't find empathy.

02:19:15.460 And we hear all this, like, oh, it's really too bad, but, oh, I don't condone political violence, but, like, I, that, all that stuff's really bothering me.

02:19:23.800 And I, so I went back to, to Dr. Frank Turek, who I really like.

02:19:28.580 He, um, he's been on the show, he came on the show right after Charlie died, and he was Charlie's, one of Charlie's spiritual mentors and teachers about the Christian faith.

02:19:36.680 And that led me to this book that he was talking about on, on, in one of his books, called Who Moved the Stone?

02:19:44.660 And, uh, this is purportedly a book that convinced an atheist, Frank and his co-author of the one book knew, knew, that God is real, that Jesus is real, and that Christianity is right.

02:19:56.240 So I've been listening to Who Moved the Stone?

02:19:58.840 I love audio books.

02:20:00.580 And it's really gotten me thinking, you know.

02:20:02.120 Who did, who did move the stone?

02:20:03.800 Well, that's the question.

02:20:05.400 That's, that's the question.

02:20:06.680 And whether anybody's, like, questioning about whether Christianity makes sense can really hold water.

02:20:12.900 If you go back and you look at it, it's basically like an evidence-based look at Christianity.

02:20:18.060 Like, would it make sense?

02:20:20.280 Would the women who showed up and saw that he was gone have been mistaken?

02:20:25.940 Is there any way they went to the wrong cave?

02:20:27.700 It's like taking a deep dive into all of it.

02:20:29.920 And I don't know, I have to tell you, even just the process of reading about this, it's not exactly scripture.

02:20:35.200 It's making me feel a little better.

02:20:36.980 It's just, like, reminding me that it is real.

02:20:40.180 And there's a reason that Christianity was founded.

02:20:43.860 And people believed at a time, as you point out, it was dangerous to believe immediately by the thousands.

02:20:50.240 And then, of course, years later, hundreds of millions of billions, there's a billion Catholics.

02:20:56.200 And how those beliefs actually can be comforting in a time like this if you can just reconnect with them.

02:21:01.460 But it's ironic, because, like, at a time like this, you might kind of want to feel, you might feel slightly alienated from them, too, right?

02:21:07.660 Like, that's been my own wrestling over the past month.

02:21:10.800 Well, I don't go a morning without the first words into my head being those from the Gospels.

02:21:19.260 I read it every morning, you know.

02:21:20.900 And, you know, that wasn't the only stone that was moved in the Gospels.

02:21:25.680 In John, Jesus is told that there's a man named Lazarus who's died.

02:21:31.000 And he goes to raise him.

02:21:37.160 And he's in his tomb very much like the one that Jesus ends up in.

02:21:41.380 And he gets to the door and he says, I want to go in.

02:21:45.320 I want to raise Lazarus.

02:21:46.480 And they say, he's been dead four days.

02:21:48.240 It's going to smell bad.

02:21:49.480 That's what they say.

02:21:50.240 There's going to be a stench.

02:21:51.680 He says, no, go ahead.

02:21:53.880 And, you know, he does it.

02:21:55.840 And there is a sense that life and death issues require us to read these stories.

02:22:03.900 Because even if we find them unbelievable, they're really an honest way of grappling with our feelings around death in a way comedians aren't and science isn't.

02:22:17.480 And I'd like to believe that resurrection, in Charlie's case, is similar to what happened with John the Baptist.

02:22:26.500 He was killed.

02:22:27.620 He was not a savior himself, but a harbinger, a message spreader.

02:22:33.240 And he was killed in a very violent way.

02:22:35.960 But the message lived on.

02:22:37.660 And maybe it wouldn't have had that not happened.

02:22:40.760 And I think Charlie Kirk's spirit and the spread of his positive message and the ability to see who he really was is an absolute miracle.

02:22:53.600 Whether you believe in these sort of particularly physical miracles of someone coming up out of a grave.

02:23:01.920 I need more books like this because it's making me feel better.

02:23:05.860 I'll take recommendations.

02:23:07.320 You can write to us.

02:23:08.440 So you can email me, megan at megankelly.com is the email.

02:23:11.780 And by the way, go to megankelly.com to see Walter and yours truly and Erica Kirk all together in Glendale, Arizona on the last night of our tour, November 22nd.

02:23:22.560 Check it out, megankelly.com.

02:23:24.140 Walter, I love talking to you.

02:23:26.120 Thank you so much for making the time for us.

02:23:29.020 Thank you for having me back.

02:23:30.460 You're a very gracious and merciful person because I made a showbiz snafu for the ages.

02:23:40.800 And that you let me get back on the horse the same week is something I appreciate.

02:23:46.600 We're lucky to have you.

02:23:48.800 No, wait.

02:23:49.180 Before I let you go, I should ask you, speaking of you walking the Montana woods, what is the temperature out there right now?

02:23:54.320 Well, it snowed just the other day, but it doesn't mean anything because it snows on and off, you know, since the end of August.

02:24:04.240 But the animals have all gone away.

02:24:06.560 They're in their caves.

02:24:07.620 They're hidden.

02:24:08.360 You know, those who hibernate.

02:24:10.060 So it's getting chilly.

02:24:11.360 Well, we will be out there in December.

02:24:13.560 So I'm going to shoot you a note.

02:24:14.860 And that's when we'll, we might not get our, we could get a sleigh ride.

02:24:18.280 We spend every, every, every Christmas we spend out there.

02:24:22.840 Yes.

02:24:23.300 So I will contact you.

02:24:25.780 I'll give you my address offline.

02:24:28.180 Okay, great.

02:24:29.160 Great.

02:24:29.940 It's a big state.

02:24:30.500 But yeah, no.

02:24:31.360 Yeah.

02:24:31.720 It's, it's wonderful.

02:24:32.560 And we absolutely look forward to it every year because you always get away Christmas.

02:24:35.060 It's, it's amazing.

02:24:36.560 Yeah.

02:24:37.300 See you then.

02:24:38.420 To be continued, my friend.

02:24:39.580 Thanks again.

02:24:40.340 Wow.

02:24:41.440 Oh, what a day.

02:24:42.500 Gosh, that was great.

02:24:43.480 Eric Trump was so good.

02:24:44.720 And Walter was so good.

02:24:45.780 I hope you felt it too.

02:24:46.720 I really found all of that like entertaining and interesting.

02:24:50.080 And I'm looking forward to what, I want to put on a sweatshirt.

02:24:58.040 Sometimes the sweaters are too itchy.

02:24:59.780 I want to put on a sweatshirt, maybe a vest, some cute boots and some jeans.

02:25:05.580 I want to go for a hike.

02:25:06.800 I want to hear the leaves crunch underneath my feet.

02:25:11.320 I want to inhale the cold air, exhale, and maybe see my breath depending on, you know,

02:25:18.560 what time of day I'm going out there.

02:25:19.860 It could be nice and cold on the mornings or in the evenings.

02:25:22.860 I want to start to see the Halloween decorations go up.

02:25:26.640 Ours are not, they're going up slowly but surely.

02:25:29.880 Our fall decorations are up at our, we're starting to get our Halloween ones out there.

02:25:33.200 That's so fun to watch.

02:25:34.320 I want to start thinking about Halloween decorations with the kids and doing our candy corn pumpkin.

02:25:40.480 If you haven't seen that, you can just Google Megyn Kelly, candy corn pumpkin and Strudwick.

02:25:45.680 And you will see the challenges we faced in the past, thanks to our dog in getting this thing done.

02:25:52.060 Anyway, that's just, that's living.

02:25:54.640 That's, that's living.

02:25:56.080 And, um, I don't know, that's where I always end up when I start thinking about Charlie.

02:26:00.700 Like, spend more time with the people you love.

02:26:02.840 Spend more time doing the things you love.

02:26:04.780 Here we are a month out and it's a blessing.

02:26:07.400 It's a blessing to be able to take those walks and be with your families and maybe take a hayride and do a pumpkin, do something silly.

02:26:13.900 Put on, uh, Halloween Town.

02:26:16.100 Love having that on in the background as we do Halloween crafts in my house.

02:26:19.860 And my kids love it too.

02:26:21.040 Anyway, I hope that's what your weekend looks like too.

02:26:24.420 God bless all of you.

02:26:25.700 Thank you for listening and we'll see you Monday.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 10, 2025

Personal Impact of Anti-Trump Lawfare, and New Katie Porter Berating Staff Videos, with Eric Trump and Walter Kirn ｜ Ep 1169

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