The Megyn Kelly Show - Pete Hegseth Speaks Out in Exclusive Interview, Addressing Media Smears, Responding to Accusations, and How He'd Reform Military

00:00:00.420 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.140 Today, an MK Show exclusive.

00:00:17.600 Pete Hegseth, nominee for Secretary of Defense, sits down with yours truly in an exclusive and his first interview

00:00:25.660 after being nominated and after the allegations against him have been swirling and being launched

00:00:31.500 from virtually every corner of the mainstream media, which clearly does not want him to have

00:00:36.180 this job. Pete and I go way back. I've told you this before. We worked together on Fox News for

00:00:41.060 a number of years. He became a contributor with my full endorsement and backing, and we became friends

00:00:48.400 while I was at Fox. And I haven't spent a lot of time with Pete over the last 10 years or so, but

00:00:53.300 I've long respected him and his service to the country. I've been really dismayed by the amount

00:00:59.100 of pylon that he's been suffering, and I've been outraged by the unfairness of the media's coverage

00:01:04.560 of the allegations. You're going to be able to decide for yourself whether the allegations are

00:01:08.840 true, relevant, and dispositive for this position. But my own goal was to give Pete the chance to

00:01:16.180 respond to them, to bring context to them in the course of the interview so you would know,

00:01:21.040 are they anonymous? Are they backed by a specific person saying who they are and how they know Pete?

00:01:26.340 And what is the evidence on the other side? I believe that's the job of a journalist,

00:01:30.800 to air the news, to discuss, frankly, what the allegations are, and to give the audience enough

00:01:35.960 information to make up their own minds. We've gone through the alleged rape charge against Pete in

00:01:40.840 great detail. We've devoted entire shows to it. That was just a week or so ago, so check the archives

00:01:46.500 of the program if you'd like to see. But today, absolutely nothing was off limits. And I asked

00:01:52.100 him that moments before we sat down, and he said, go for it. And I knew I was going to be able to go

00:01:57.900 for it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have done this interview. It's not how we operate. So we got

00:02:02.120 into it all. The allegations of excessive drinking, that explosive alleged rape charge,

00:02:08.480 the allegations that he's a philanderer and cheated on all of his wives, the allegations that he

00:02:13.700 supposedly mismanaged his veterans' charities, and what he would actually do at the Department

00:02:19.460 of Defense. One other word. When I list all the allegations like that, it makes it sound terrible

00:02:24.980 for Pete. It makes it sound like it's true, and he's a terrible man. Is it, or is this all part of

00:02:31.380 an effort to ruin a man who is threatening an institution that some powerful forces would rather

00:02:37.960 not see changed? Hopefully, that'll become clear to you, and you'll have a takeaway at the end

00:02:44.040 of the next hour. Without further ado, Pete Hexeth.

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00:03:57.420 Pete Hexeth, great to see you.

00:03:59.040 Hey, Megan, how you doing?

00:03:59.720 All right. So it's been an all-out assault since Trump named you.

00:04:03.180 No doubt.

00:04:03.600 I mean, from alleged rape allegations to allegations about your marriage to financial

00:04:08.900 mismanagement, allegations at your companies that you ran, your foundations, I should say.

00:04:14.020 How's it going with Trump right now? Is he so far standing by you? And have you spoken to him?

00:04:19.080 I spoke to him this morning, Megan. I mean, he's amazing. He's a fighter. He's been through this

00:04:23.900 himself. And he told me. The last thing he said to me, well, two things he said to me when I left

00:04:31.360 his office when he chose me, was, well, besides what he said about being a warfighter, we can get

00:04:37.080 into that, was, you're going to need to be tough as shit. You're going to need to be tough as shit.

00:04:42.740 But he paused again as I was walking away and said, but you're the man for this moment.

00:04:46.660 I chose you because you're the guy that's going to put the warfighters first. We haven't had that.

00:04:52.900 We need a guy that's kicked down doors and understands the consequences of war and why

00:04:57.700 us deterring war, fighting it, and winning it is important. He gets it. And we can get into the

00:05:03.580 policy of all of that. But ultimately, he reiterated the same thing this morning. Hey, Pete, I got your

00:05:09.360 back. It's a fight. They're coming after you. Get after it. I think he'll be delighted that we're

00:05:15.460 talking today. And we're going to do more talking because for so long, what was said about me,

00:05:22.060 what has been said about me, it was so ridiculous and all anonymous that we didn't want to give it

00:05:26.920 oxygen. You don't want to respond to things that don't merit response. And so we have it. But the

00:05:33.200 sitting here with you and going forward, you know, the media is driving with this ridiculous narrative.

00:05:38.600 It's our turn to, it's our time to stand up and tell the truth and our side. And he knows that.

00:05:43.640 And so he supports me. We talk, I won't betray what we talked about specifically, but he said,

00:05:49.780 you all meet those senators and I've got your back. It means a lot to me. Tells you who that guy is.

00:05:54.100 So you are meeting with them. Any open wobbliness there? Do you like, how do you like your chances

00:05:59.240 right now? I mean, I, Donald Trump won overwhelmingly, uh, 76 million votes. He's got 53 senators,

00:06:06.680 all of which understand what the American people voted for. They voted for the change that Donald

00:06:12.200 Trump is going to bring. And they knew in the picks that he's made, he's bringing in change agents.

00:06:18.560 If you wanted, uh, another general or another admiral or an executive or a CEO or a politician

00:06:24.320 or a lawyer to run the defense department, we've tried that before. He said, I want a warfighter.

00:06:29.160 I want lethality, lethality, lethality. I want readiness, accountability, standards,

00:06:36.880 warfighting, Pete, that's you. That's me. Clean house of the woke crap. All that stuff, all the,

00:06:44.340 the, the, the, the, the climate stuff and the CRT and the DEI and the, and the genderism and the

00:06:51.700 trend, get rid of it. Let's bring the Pentagon back to the people, the people's Pentagon for warfighters.

00:06:58.100 Um, and that's the message he gave to me that I've projected back to senators and it resonates

00:07:03.820 with when I get a chance to sit down, especially with these senators from the Senate armed services

00:07:08.020 committee, that's the committee I'm talking to. They care about the military a lot. They've,

00:07:13.080 they've run for office, spent their lives trying to invest in it. So the advice and consent process

00:07:17.520 is a real thing. Like I'm hearing from these men and women, these senators who have great ideas,

00:07:21.660 want to make sure that when I'm confirmed, I were able to implement them at the defense department.

00:07:25.800 They're worried about the military and the country and not necessarily your love life.

00:07:29.680 No, uh, no. Or your mom or my mom who did a fantastic job on Fox. We're going to show some

00:07:35.260 of it by the way there that you'd be surprised how, um, little that has come up. Now, when they ask,

00:07:41.540 I answer candidly. I don't answer these questions to the, the hyenas in the hallway, trying to chirp at

00:07:47.860 my wife and I, as we walked down the hallway, I don't owe them an answer. I own answer to the members

00:07:52.800 of the United States Senate who are going to vote for a confirmation here. And my meetings with them

00:07:57.360 have been fantastic. No one has looked me in the eye and say, I have concerns and I can't vote for

00:08:01.980 you. In fact, most have said, let's take a picture and I'm behind you all the way. Uh, and that's a

00:08:06.600 reflection of Donald Trump and the strength of his election, but also the mandate to change something

00:08:11.480 at the defense department. Uh, so the meetings have been great. We're going to continue doing it.

00:08:15.680 We're not back down, backing down one bit. Um, we're going to get into the specific allegations,

00:08:19.640 but let me start with this. Do you think you're being Kavanaughed right now?

00:08:24.480 I had a member, um, not 45 minutes ago, look me in the eye and private, just he and I and say,

00:08:30.160 that's what they're trying to do to you. That's what they're trying to do to you. That's their

00:08:33.620 playbook. Get ready for more. And they're going to make it up just like they have so far. All

00:08:38.940 anonymous, all innuendo, all rumor, nothing sourced, no verification. And they're just going to keep

00:08:45.780 doing it because you're a threat to them. You're a threat to their system. You're a threat to all the,

00:08:52.980 the, the, the things in Washington DC, the swamp, the things that people have rejected. You're a

00:08:57.780 threat to that. And so they're coming after you. Um, and, and, and, and I know that he knows that

00:09:04.560 when you stand firm on that, it's, it's, it's not difficult to just continue to fight. So yeah,

00:09:10.260 we saw what happened, but guess what happened? Kavanaugh stood up and he fought and he won.

00:09:15.640 And hopefully Republicans have learned that lesson. And Trump stood by him. And Trump stood by him.

00:09:20.680 There, right. You're seeing right now with me is the art of the smear. It is the classic art of the

00:09:26.620 smear. Take whatever tiny kernels of truth. And there are tiny, tiny ones in there and blow them up

00:09:34.080 into a masquerade of a narrative about somebody that I am definitely not. And what they'd never

00:09:40.040 quote, and we'll get into this too, are the legions of people from who I served with in combat,

00:09:46.280 multiple tours from the multiple veterans organizations that I very proudly ran. And I,

00:09:51.120 I really want to get into that. Um, and my time at Fox news, they never asked the people closest to me.

00:09:57.180 No, they never asked the people who were involved directly. And when they do,

00:10:01.240 and I've got a list right here of, of, of people and Will Kane and my hosts at Fox news have come,

00:10:08.000 all the folks on Fox friends have all come out and said, this is not Pete. And we've worked with

00:10:12.220 Pete for 10 years, every single morning, every single day. They never ask those people. Yeah.

00:10:17.560 And that's what a smear looks like. It's a couple anonymous nuggets, usually from disgruntled people

00:10:23.620 who were fired for cause who are jealous or want a little, a little bit of retribution.

00:10:28.880 And so they peddle stuff to reporters who are not interested in the truth.

00:10:33.160 They're interested in smearing someone who supports Donald Trump's agenda. It's really

00:10:38.120 clear. I'm in the middle of it, but you know, I'm surrounded by a great team. I got a wonderful

00:10:43.320 wife. Um, we love this country. We love Jesus Christ, our savior, and we're going to fight like

00:10:48.180 hell. There's no reason to back down. Why would we back down? Do you know how many guys I'm hearing

00:10:52.060 from right now? The guys I serve with gals that I work with at CVA and else don't stop. The guys are

00:10:57.240 like, it's always, sir, you know, don't stop, sir. Please keep going. You, you are fighting for us.

00:11:04.220 Like you are our voice. We've never had a voice like this before.

00:11:07.980 They're not upset about your drinking.

00:11:13.020 Um, you know what? That's it. There's an interesting one there. First of all, um, I've never had a

00:11:18.640 drinking problem. I don't, um, never, no one's ever approached me and said, Oh, you, you should really

00:11:23.240 look at getting help for a drink. Never. I've never sought counseling, never sought help. I

00:11:27.640 respect and appreciate people who, who do. Um, but you know, what do guys do when they come back

00:11:32.660 from war? Oftentimes have some beers. Um, you know, how do you deal with the demons you see on the

00:11:37.600 battlefield? Sometimes it's with a bottle. Um, unfortunately, tragically for too many guys,

00:11:43.360 uh, it's with the bottle and then it's depression and even worse suicide. I mean, we've got an epidemic

00:11:48.600 of that in our country. Thank God, by the grace of God, I found my chapters of purpose that pulled

00:11:55.960 me out of that. I found, uh, in many ways, I found two things, my two J's, uh, my Jenny, my wife,

00:12:06.060 Jennifer changed my life, saved me. There's just no doubt about it. Uh, and my Lord and savior,

00:12:11.680 Jesus Christ. And without those two J's, I wouldn't be sitting here right now, but with those two J's,

00:12:17.320 like my mom said this morning, and I didn't get a chance to see all of it, but God bless my mom.

00:12:22.280 Um, I'm a very different person than I was 10 years ago than I was 15 years ago, but I'm also

00:12:26.940 the right guy to be in the Pentagon, to understand what our young water fighters are going through,

00:12:33.740 what we send them to do, what we ask them to do tour after tour, after tour, after tour,

00:12:38.480 are we equipping them properly? Are they mentally prepared? Are we helping them on the way back? How are

00:12:42.940 they transitioning? Were they used properly? I can speak to that because I've lived it not from a

00:12:49.560 general's perspective, not from an air conditioned office in Washington, DC, or from a think tank

00:12:54.140 from dusty boots and pulling triggers with bullets whizzing by. And you're wondering whether you're

00:13:00.780 ever coming home. You know, it's funny, Pete, we've known each other for a long time since our time

00:13:05.000 together at Fox news. Um, I did not fully appreciate your military background until I started reading

00:13:11.820 up on you for, you know, this position. I did not realize that you got into Princeton and then

00:13:17.320 volunteered to join the military and then joined ROTC and went off to Gitmo. I mean, most guys who

00:13:23.120 got into Princeton and had done that well in school would have been riding that right into investment

00:13:27.820 banking or some career as a partner in law. You volunteered after you had this Ivy league start

00:13:35.140 to go join the military, went down to Gitmo, served your country honorably, then came back,

00:13:40.180 then re-volunteered to go to Iraq during the most dangerous time you could be there, then re-volunteered

00:13:46.720 to go to Afghanistan, all through like putting yourself and your life on the line and sacrificing a

00:13:52.400 life that could have been very financially privileged. Eventually you wound up back at Fox news and you,

00:13:57.360 after running a bunch of veterans charities, but it must feel somewhat galling to have members of

00:14:03.180 the media now taking shots at you as unfit to lead these guys. Um, the, one of the things I've

00:14:11.300 enjoyed the most about this is I stay in touch with a lot of the guys I served with. And I say guys

00:14:15.260 because I served in infantry battalions, but there are, what women have done for our military is

00:14:20.020 incredible. And I hope we get into that too. Um, but has been hearing from them. Um, and, and they say

00:14:26.700 sir, they're reaching out, they're asking questions. What should I do? And I said, talk every single

00:14:31.680 guy from Guantanamo Bay, from Iraq to Afghanistan, to when I was holding a riot shield outside of the

00:14:37.260 White House during the riots in 2020 guys talk, you don't need my permission. I got nothing to hide.

00:14:42.560 Go talk to the reporters about what we did together. The shared purpose we had, we were different

00:14:48.920 people from different backgrounds, different colors, different shades, different everything,

00:14:52.700 but we were united in purpose and we're brothers forever as a result. And so hearing them talk about

00:14:59.500 me and their willingness to do it actively has been really, really cool. I mean, that's actually,

00:15:04.540 I don't care what politicians think about me or what pundits think about me, certainly not media

00:15:09.580 and reporters, but the guys you pulled triggers with and went out on patrol with and left the wire with

00:15:15.060 stayed in combat outposts with or guarded asshole Al Qaeda detainees with what they think

00:15:21.540 matters a lot to me. And that's the perspective I'm taking into the Pentagon. That's the perspective

00:15:27.200 is how are we using these men and women? Are we training them properly? Are we giving them,

00:15:33.480 are we wiping away the garbage of political correct social justice nonsense and focusing just on

00:15:38.920 lethality and meritocracy? Because men and women like that are going to fight future wars that Donald

00:15:45.680 Trump's going to have to make a decision about whether we enter or not. And I'm humbled to be in a

00:15:49.880 position where I could come alongside him and say, our men and women are ready. They're prepared. And

00:15:55.060 if we have to use them, they're ready to win. And I'll always be thinking about those men and women

00:16:00.620 that I serve with because that's who I want to represent. Yeah. And unlike most, you could actually

00:16:05.240 look their mothers and fathers in the eye and say, this was worth it depending on what conflicts come

00:16:11.120 our way. All right, let's, let's go through the allegations, including the first one that got this

00:16:16.460 whole campaign against you started. And that was this anonymous accuser. And by the way,

00:16:20.800 just so the audience knows, I too have looked through all of the accusations, all the reports

00:16:24.380 against you. There is not one name, not one person accusing you of any sort of misconduct

00:16:29.360 has gone on the record with their accusation. It is all anonymous from NBC, CBS, The New Yorker,

00:16:35.220 the usual suspects. And yet you are having person after person go on the record in your defense about

00:16:41.080 your character from, you know, Will Kane and Dan Bongino at Fox, Joey Jones at Fox, the entire Fox

00:16:46.060 and Friends crew this morning, standing up and defending you. Dozens of people from my vets

00:16:50.980 organizations everywhere. Yes. So that just so the audience knows, but we do need to go through what

00:16:56.120 people are saying. So you have the chance to address it. So the first is this alleged rape that

00:17:00.540 took place in 2017 at a hotel out in Monterey, California, where the allegation is that you were

00:17:06.940 the keynote speaker at a Republican women's conference that you were drinking into the

00:17:11.860 wee hours and that a female so-called handler of yours who was meant to see you from A to B

00:17:17.800 went back to your room with you to shepherd you there, found herself inside the room that you

00:17:22.420 allegedly blocked the door. She quote, remembers saying no a lot. And the next thing she knew,

00:17:27.560 things got very fuzzy and you allegedly raped her with her husband and children in their own hotel room

00:17:34.060 down the hall. The police investigated. They chose not to charge. The DA did not see probable cause

00:17:39.640 to charge this case. Um, we found out from the police report, certain exonerating details,

00:17:43.980 which none of the media will report. Like you said, it was consensual. There was no drug and she

00:17:49.280 wasn't, she wasn't drugged in any way. And she's on camera looking totally fine. According to the

00:17:54.120 police, according to eyewitnesses and according to her own husband, to whose room she returned at 4am.

00:17:58.940 She was fine. She was not slurring. She was not stumbling. And she apologized to him for being out

00:18:03.000 saying, I fell asleep on somebody's whatever. And that's what you say. She told you she was going

00:18:07.800 to tell the husband. All right. That's, that's the setup for those who haven't been paying attention.

00:18:11.200 Did you rape a woman in a hotel in Monterey? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I've been honest

00:18:17.220 about that encounter starting with law enforcement, um, from the beginning I was, I may have been drinking,

00:18:23.980 but I was cognizant enough to remember every single detail. Uh, and, and I'm not here to say that my

00:18:32.980 conduct was good. Um, you know, being in a hotel room with someone that's, you know, not the person

00:18:38.940 you're with is not okay. I own up to that. And I've, I've had to own up to that. And that's been

00:18:43.540 difficult. Um, and my wife's amazing and, and she knew about it, but going through it again is not easy.

00:18:49.260 Um, but ultimately I went through that process with investigators, eyes wide open and honest,

00:18:55.640 because I knew I had nothing to hide. It's a really unfortunate situation. Um, and ultimately

00:19:01.860 they dug into everything, as you said, everyone that was there, all the video camera footage,

00:19:07.720 all of her testimony, husband's testimony, my testimony. And they looked into it and said,

00:19:11.420 no way we're not charging on this at all. In fact, there's other things that hopefully could come

00:19:17.440 out in the future that would bend. Our team is, is benefiting from more information. So we always

00:19:21.720 want more information coming out of this because the more information that comes out, uh, the more

00:19:25.980 people realize what this actually was. Um, and, and, and ultimately, um, you know, it's never fun to

00:19:33.860 have your name. All they want is your name in the headline with that allegation. That's all they want.

00:19:39.000 And then once they do that, they run with, they don't care about all the details that you just

00:19:43.060 pointed out. And when they summarize the case in the secondary reporting, they never include

00:19:47.920 any of the exonerating details. Not at all. That's to be expected though. That's, that's how

00:19:53.020 our media today operates. Uh, they take one thing, blow it up and then extrapolate ad nauseum on it.

00:20:01.480 But notice how that story has sort of faded away because there's nothing to hang onto there,

00:20:06.500 which is why. Okay. But what about, cause you did pay her off a couple of years later,

00:20:10.480 she came back threatening and wanting some sort of a settlement and you paid her.

00:20:14.880 So was it a substantial settlement and why did you pay her? Um, I paid her because I had to,

00:20:22.020 uh, or at least I thought I did at the time. Um, I was newly married. I was up, up for potential

00:20:29.880 jobs in the administration. So my profile was higher. Uh, and listen, they, they, she got lawyers

00:20:36.960 that reached out to mine and said, if you don't come forward and if you don't pay money, then

00:20:42.980 ultimately we're going to out him. We were in the middle of a me too movement. Uh, I had a great job

00:20:48.320 at Fox and a wonderful marriage and I did it out of, I mean, it's not what I should have done,

00:20:53.500 but I did it to protect that. I did it to protect my wife. I did it to protect my family and I did it

00:20:58.080 to protect my job. And it was a negotiation purely, um, to try to prevent that. Um, we paid a sum,

00:21:06.700 I'm not going to disclose that amount. Um, but it was, it was, um, yeah, I mean, there's, you don't

00:21:14.300 expect to go through something like that. You obviously feel like you're being used, um, because

00:21:19.460 of your public profile. There are plenty of people that have gone through that. The sad part for this

00:21:24.000 is though that I, I think what it does is it cheapens the instances where there's real sexual

00:21:30.260 assault. Like it's a real thing. It's a real problem, including in the military, which is

00:21:34.080 something I will address very directly in the military. Hasn't been sufficiently addressed

00:21:37.980 what some women in the military go through. And so when you make allegations that are proved to be

00:21:44.200 bogus, fully investigated and cleared, um, and then you, and then you extrapolate that it harms

00:21:50.360 other instances where it's very real. It undermines the credibility of other accusers.

00:21:55.500 Okay. So that one we've dealt with, but then come the flurry of allegations about your personal

00:22:00.340 life. And I think it's admitted, at least in your divorce proceedings that you did cheat on your first

00:22:06.940 two wives. You're on your third marriage to Jen, a former colleague of my own at Fox and yours too.

00:22:12.920 And, um, your hookup with this woman in Monterey happened when you were with Jen. So that's three.

00:22:20.360 Right. And there are a lot of women at home and men who will be like, it's a no, right? He's too

00:22:26.340 much of a serial cheater. Like, how can we put a guy in this position who's a serial cheater? So is

00:22:32.960 that a fair characterization of you? I think it would have been, it was a fair characterization of

00:22:38.540 me before I, um, truly was changed by Jen and my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. And I mean that, I mean,

00:22:44.420 people can not believe that if they don't want to, but if you look at me and if you know me,

00:22:48.200 uh, if you have walked us, watched us walk into Colts Knight Community Church and Pilgrim Hill

00:22:53.840 Reform Fellowship, the churches where we've attended, um, that have truly, I mean, I'll never

00:22:58.800 forget a sermon that my pastor gave, Pastor Chris, who's a dear friend of mine, where he talked about

00:23:03.380 most people miss Jesus by 12 inches from their head to their heart. I grew up as a Christian. My mom

00:23:08.340 was on Fox and French. She's wonderful Christian parents. I intellectually was associated with it and

00:23:13.360 understood it, but never really lived it. Um, and it was those moments in those places in my

00:23:19.620 relationship with Jen, as we grew together in Christ, um, that I become a changed man. Um,

00:23:25.360 am I a perfect man? No. Was I a perfect man? Absolutely not. Uh, do I regret those things?

00:23:30.880 Yes. But is it who I am today? No. And, um, I'm just grateful for the grace of God that gives me a

00:23:37.280 new chapter. And I knew stepping out in this, that that would be part of what would come at me.

00:23:41.720 Is that scary? It was part of the calculation. Sure. But what's the alternative that people with

00:23:46.320 difficult, somewhat difficult pasts can never step up and try to serve the American people and serve

00:23:52.280 a president who was elected? Is that, is that the alternative? You, you have to be, you can't have

00:23:57.100 made any mistakes in your life or, or reconciled for them or ask for forgiveness for them. Uh, if you

00:24:02.280 want to serve in another capacity. And I just, my wife and I got together, we prayed about it a lot

00:24:06.260 and said, we know this, the slings and arrows are coming. Um, we're going to lock shields. That's why

00:24:11.360 we're together on the Hill. We're together everywhere in this process. Um, because if,

00:24:16.580 if we, if we can't do this together, then it's not worth doing and having that assurance in Christ

00:24:22.320 and with a partner where this is ride or die for the rest of our life, no matter what, um, is life

00:24:28.300 changing. And I've never had, I've never had that perspective before. And I did that foolishly as

00:24:32.560 someone who came home from wars and was untethered from, you know, accountability and all over the

00:24:37.480 place all over the map until, you know, we, we just got a couple of horses. I don't know anything

00:24:42.160 about horses, but it's, it's a beautiful exercise. But what you realize is you've got it. When you

00:24:46.460 handle them, you handle them properly. You've got to prove that you're kind of the alpha. They

00:24:49.900 got to want to follow you. And one of our horses is a little stubborn and we've got a trainer that

00:24:54.120 comes over and sometimes they got to yank on the, on the, on the harness. And I feel like sometimes

00:24:59.340 God had to yank on me a little, a little harder, um, to say, Pete, pay attention here.

00:25:04.260 I think this is your purpose, especially guys coming back from war, look for the answer in a

00:25:07.920 bottle and eventually find out the hard way it's not in there. And maybe it's in the Bible

00:25:12.640 instead of the bottle. I think I'm going to use that. It actually is like, I've read the Bible

00:25:19.020 before. This is the first year, this year where I've read it through cover to cover, uh, in addition

00:25:23.220 to devotions, in addition to, uh, daily prayer time. And you realize how foolish, how foolish we are

00:25:29.500 as individual human beings untethered from eternal truth, untethered for the wisdom of

00:25:34.480 the Bible, from the wisdom of the patriarchs, to the judges, to the prophets, to the disciples,

00:25:39.680 to Jesus Christ, to everything that happened. When we don't know and contemplate and, and

00:25:44.600 start our day on those things, we start them focused on ourself or our needs or our wants

00:25:49.640 or our prides, um, all of which are destructive. I mean, I, I talk to my kids all the time about

00:25:54.080 this. Um, you know, there's sin equals slavery. Um, the truth, the Bible equals freedom. And I've

00:26:02.160 created plenty of problems for myself, but I know here sitting, I'm, I'm a liberated man by the gospel

00:26:09.200 of Jesus Christ and the partner that I'm with. And people can take, take that or leave that and

00:26:14.080 believe that or not. I know that in my core, I know how we started our day this morning, uh, was in,

00:26:19.060 in prayer and it's not going to stop. And we hope we get a chance to serve the country in the process.

00:26:23.020 So what do you say to people who say, well, uh, you are nominated to be secretary of defense

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00:26:32.840 So how do you look at those guys and say, I will judge you. I will pursue these charges against you.

00:26:38.380 Um, you follow the laws that supply. I mean, I, I don't, I, I don't know exactly what instances

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00:28:55.380 PragerU.com slash real talk. What do you make of the drinking? Because this is another big thing,

00:29:04.000 and this could potentially come back to haunt you with these senators, even ones who like you,

00:29:06.960 right? Because nobody wants, even if you're not an alcoholic, which I believe, you can't have

00:29:13.360 somebody who's inebriated to the point where they need to be carried in from their hotel room as

00:29:17.320 alleged anonymously in these New York reports running the Pentagon. Like, you know that. So to the

00:29:24.780 people who have read these reports talking about public inebriation and needing repeatedly to be

00:29:29.780 carried into your hotel room at night, and even now there's an NBC report, Anonymous, which oddly

00:29:36.000 includes a Pentagon correspondent, which is very interesting to me. Why would a Pentagon, like,

00:29:40.800 it does make me wonder whether some of their sources are really there.

00:29:43.220 Well, maybe there's some people in the Pentagon that don't want me to do the Secretary of Defense,

00:29:46.080 which wouldn't surprise me. In any event, that's a report that claims that some of our Fox News

00:29:49.120 colleagues, former and current, are saying you showed up at Fox and went on the air intoxicated.

00:29:54.080 So how do you respond to those reports?

00:29:57.560 Check the tape, first of all. I want to start where we began. I want to start my comment where

00:30:03.600 we began this conversation. All of those allegations are anonymous. All of them are

00:30:08.860 unsubstantiated. No one's putting their name on it. No one can point to an actual incidence,

00:30:13.940 an actual place, an actual piece of evidence, none of it. I was at my brother's house last night

00:30:19.760 where I was talking about, where did this allegation come of me being in a strip club?

00:30:25.520 That's one of the things that's been reported. In Louisiana, that you were in a strip club,

00:30:27.900 not just in a strip club, storming the stage. On the stage at a strip club. And I was just sitting

00:30:34.120 there talking, end of the day. Where did this come from? And my brother and sister-in-law actually

00:30:38.640 both worked with me at Concerned Mead for America before she was my sister-in-law. They met.

00:30:42.380 And they said, Pete, don't you know what happened there? I said, no. He goes, there was an incident

00:30:49.600 at a strip club. Something happened that was addressed. You were nowhere near there. You

00:30:53.920 weren't even at the event. You weren't even in the state. Yet someone has made us, there's so much

00:31:00.480 information coming at us so fast that it's hard to digest it. You're being accused of something you

00:31:04.800 weren't even at. So if they're making up an instance of something where I didn't even attend,

00:31:10.200 how can you believe a single other thing that any of these people are saying in any instance to

00:31:14.660 include being carried up to my room? With a bunch of vets who are working hard, have come back from

00:31:20.480 combat deployments, would they have beers? Sure. I'm not going to dissuade you of that. The idea that

00:31:26.240 was constantly being carried up anywhere is patently false, which is why all of these people have come

00:31:31.460 out in writing with their names on the record. I'm not just talking about people that were on the

00:31:37.400 stage with me, production crew, field staff, administrative staff, volunteers, all willing

00:31:43.820 to come out and say, we've been with Pete for years and years across the country. And we've seen

00:31:48.140 none of these. Well, I don't know who these anonymous accusers are about the Fox News time,

00:31:52.340 but I did see Fox and Friends, every single member of Fox and Friends this morning, go on the air and

00:31:56.920 say, this is BS. And as I said, Joey Jones and Dan Bongino and Will Kane. And I worked with you for

00:32:04.280 years at Fox News. I am the reason you became a contributor there. Fact, fact, fact. And that was

00:32:09.700 primetime night hits that you were doing with me and never once, not even the hint of alcohol or any

00:32:17.300 alcohol problem. And so what I'm trying to do is prove a negative, right? So this is, again,

00:32:23.800 the anatomy of a smear. So they have tried to create a narrative based on what they said about

00:32:29.600 Vets for Freedom and CVA and all of that. And now they're trying to extend the string. This is what

00:32:34.120 they're trying to do with senators, right? Okay. We've got to extend this string from past behavior

00:32:38.100 to current behavior. And so what NBC is going to do is make up anonymous sources, none of which are

00:32:43.120 close to me, none of which know me, claiming that I had a drinking problem at Fox or was drunk on air.

00:32:47.960 I tell everybody out there, check the tape. Yeah. Check every tape. Find the drunken. And by the way,

00:32:54.640 talk to the, I got a text from my senior producer of Fox and Friends weekend recently said,

00:32:59.260 Pete, I was, you were the, by far, always the most reliable member of our team for every moment I was

00:33:08.860 there. You were there every morning on time, ready to go. Never missed a beat ever. Ask the primetime

00:33:14.880 hosts whose shows I do at, you know, seven, eight, nine, 10 o'clock. So most of the time when I'm in New

00:33:20.020 York, I'm doing a show at 10, nine or 10 at night. And then my own show at six in the morning.

00:33:25.000 Uh, it's patently false and patently ridiculous. And everybody who's around me from hosts to staff,

00:33:32.120 to producers, to production crew, you know, how many people are in those studios. I mean,

00:33:36.120 you know, how many people are in here right now? There's 25 people behind the cameras right now.

00:33:40.260 If I had a problem, even a sniff, there was a media reporter that came out on Twitter today on by their

00:33:47.320 name saying, I've covered Fox for 15 years. That place leaks like a sieve is what they said. He said,

00:33:53.700 I've never heard one iota of a thing about Pete. Honestly. And when I was there, you knew like there

00:34:00.040 were certain people, there was one who I won't repeat his name here, but he's come on my show

00:34:03.660 and talked about it, uh, who had a serious alcohol problem. And there was an intervention. Roger helped

00:34:08.960 him, got him into a treatment program. It wasn't even something that where, you know, you would

00:34:14.080 necessarily be fired or, you know, shamed, you would be helped, but nothing, nothing around you.

00:34:20.460 And you know, we, we knew about the wife situation, right? But nothing with respect to alcohol.

00:34:25.340 It is, it is again, the anatomy of a smear. They're trying to extend it out because they

00:34:29.720 want to create a scenario where senators go, okay, I could handle this. I could handle that. But

00:34:34.160 if he's drinking, I can't handle that. That's the, that is by far the least true aspect of any part of

00:34:42.240 this. So have you, have you stopped drinking now or what's this? Thank you for asking that. So when I

00:34:46.700 was, so my plan going forward ongoing is when I deployed, we had something called general order

00:34:53.000 number one, uh, and general order number one, uh, it is, you are not allowed to drink while you're

00:34:59.280 on deployment, right? So if you're in Iraq and Afghanistan in a combat zone, you're not allowed

00:35:02.600 to drink. That's how I view this role as secretary of defense is that I'm not going to have a drink

00:35:08.320 at all. And it's not hard for me because it's not a problem for me, but I need to make sure the

00:35:12.420 senators and the troops and president Trump and everybody else knows when you call me 24 seven,

00:35:18.100 you're getting fully dialed in P just like you always did in Iraq and Afghanistan. So this is

00:35:22.800 the biggest deployment of my life and there won't be a drop of alcohol on my lips while I'm doing it.

00:35:29.120 Okay. Let's talk about the financial allegations. Cause this is potentially problematic for some of

00:35:33.180 these senators. Um, you ran two different vets organizations, veterans for freedom and concerned

00:35:38.180 vets for America. And the first one anonymous reporting in the New Yorker, forgive me for

00:35:44.180 asking you about these anonymous reports. I know you have to though. That's, that's why we're here.

00:35:47.300 The reason these were, these, this has been allowed to percolate is because they were so ridiculous and

00:35:51.900 they were all anonymous that we didn't want to give them oxygen. I get it. But now because of where we

00:35:56.340 are, we're answering questions. Um, okay. So the anonymous reporting by the New Yorker says that that

00:36:00.680 organization wound up in enormous debt that they couldn't pay its creditors. They said without more

00:36:04.960 donations, they were going to be facing bankruptcy. This is under your leadership.

00:36:08.620 CBS news reporting that in 2008 at that organization, you guys raised 8.7 million,

00:36:12.880 but spent 9 million suggesting financial mismanagement. Is that true?

00:36:18.180 It's not true. Let me tell you why. Um, I'm really proud of the work we did at vets for freedom.

00:36:23.520 Uh, I didn't start the organization, but I came in, uh, shortly after it was started and built upon the

00:36:29.040 success of the group. And we fought for the war fighters and the surge in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:36:32.480 Our job was to bring the message of the, what we believe to be a successful strategy in the surge.

00:36:37.800 And what general Petraeus was doing in Iraq and advocate for that in the American people.

00:36:41.960 And that made its way up to 2008. Well, what, what was happening in 2008?

00:36:46.720 Barack Obama was running against John McCain. John McCain had been a big advocate of the surge

00:36:50.840 and winning the war in Iraq. We had worked a lot with him on Capitol Hill. I actually know

00:36:55.340 a lot of the senators on Capitol Hill from my work at vets for freedom and concern vets for

00:36:59.740 America. A good chunk of the offices I'm walking into our senators who I've met with time and time

00:37:03.860 again, because of my work on military and veterans advocacy that started with vets freedom. We traveled

00:37:08.340 the country rallying the public. We went on Capitol Hill. We wrote op-eds. I went on TV. That might've

00:37:13.220 been the first time I was on TV with you. It was right around there. You, you probably gave me my

00:37:16.540 first shot, not just the contributorship. Uh, we're making the case for the war. And a big part of that

00:37:22.120 was raising money so that we could run ads, uh, that would promote veterans candidates or

00:37:27.880 we're a 501c4. So you can't get too political. You're a, you're a nonprofit, but you can issue

00:37:34.060 advocate. You can say, Hey, John McCain is for winning the war. And Barack Obama is going to,

00:37:38.840 is going to end it in disgrace or whatever you want to say that. And so we ran a lot of ads and

00:37:43.560 raised a lot of money. We were very successful. I'm proud of it. Um, ultimately we were political

00:37:49.040 novices. You know, I had, I guess I studied politics at Princeton. That's what I did,

00:37:53.660 but I didn't have any political experience. I was a, I'd been in the military. Um, we had some

00:37:58.440 advice on the outside, uh, some of which in very slimy ways are now turning on us, but that's to

00:38:03.080 be expected. Uh, and ultimately at the very end, I'll never forget. We were about two weeks out from

00:38:09.160 the election and the politico types were saying, we're looking at the polling and McCain's going to

00:38:14.720 lose. And it's time to turn off the spigot because he's going to lose. And you tell that to a guy

00:38:21.380 who's back from war, believes in the war has a candidate who's fighting for that war. And, and

00:38:28.140 that Lieutenant, which I was at the time is going to say, go fuck yourself. I'm fighting for this war.

00:38:34.240 I'm going to raise the money to do even more. I'm doubling down. When you say the fight is lost

00:38:38.200 because it matters to me and it matters to the war fighters. And that's what we did. So we spent a

00:38:43.860 little bit more than we had at the end, cognizant of it. We knew it. We said, Hey, we're going to

00:38:48.960 pour a few more ads in, in a few key places for a few races, because we want to double down on

00:38:53.540 trying to win this thing. We're not going to abandon this guy. We've been there for us,

00:38:56.840 but we knew we were over our skis. And when the election was over and McCain had lost,

00:39:02.660 uh, there was not much appetite for funding a veterans organization that was in debt because of

00:39:09.020 that. Uh, and so I spent the next, it was a very humbling experience. I spent the next year and a

00:39:14.840 half, um, fundraising from donors to pay off debt and working with, um, different, um, vendors to try

00:39:23.520 to negotiate down contracts and prices. But I spent a year and a half working every day and you know what

00:39:30.260 we did? We paid it all off and we squared it away. And ultimately we did merge with another

00:39:34.800 organization, uh, a friendly organization consolidated and moved on. And I moved on,

00:39:40.000 but in doing so, I felt a personal responsibility to make sure we were even when it was done,

00:39:45.420 but there was zero impropriety. There wasn't a dollar spent that we weren't proud of spending

00:39:51.000 on behalf of a cause we believed in. We were just amateurs at that moment in time.

00:39:55.820 For the record, uh, David Bolavia, co-founder of the organization brought you in. He's a medal of

00:40:00.300 honor recipient, uh, and said not one irresponsible fiscal decision was made by this group. Pete is a

00:40:06.800 leader to his core, uh, backing you Sergeant Sean Bryan, retired U S Marine Corps, total professionalism

00:40:12.460 at veterans for freedom with Pete Hegseth. And, and it went on. Okay. Concerned veterans for America.

00:40:18.220 That was a different group. And this is the one, there are a lot of allegations swirling around this

00:40:22.520 that appear to initiate to have been initiated by mostly, we now believe Jesse Jane Duff,

00:40:28.480 who is also a Fox news contributor. She was, she was never a Fox news contributor,

00:40:32.820 but she was on a lot. Okay. She was on a lot. Thank you. So she, the reason we think it was

00:40:36.900 her is because there's been reporting that she was the one who was behind this so-called

00:40:39.940 whistleblower report at concerned vets about you, that it was a seven page report. It's

00:40:45.420 now wound up at the New Yorker. And it's what Jane Mayer of the New Yorker who smeared Kavanaugh

00:40:49.760 is basing a lot of her reporting on. Um, this is some of what's in there. The New Yorker report

00:40:55.580 in large part, based on this report, January, 2016, you resigned from that organization under

00:40:59.820 pressure. Three sources said you were forced out due to mismanagement and an alcohol problem.

00:41:04.700 Uh, the whistleblower letter, it's making these accusations, including that there was public

00:41:10.740 drunkenness. There was inappropriate behavior. There was allegedly an attempted sexual assault

00:41:15.020 at that strip club in Louisiana. That was not me. No, but that you didn't do anything about

00:41:18.920 is the allegation. Um, and that, uh, there's a second, a second anonymous mail and forgive me,

00:41:28.040 Jesse Jane Duff, cause she hasn't actually gone on the record with any of this, but there's a second

00:41:32.020 anonymous mail cited in this report who says he went to a bar in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio with you on

00:41:37.980 May 29th, 2015, and saw you and another guy standing on the bar screaming in some quote, violent way,

00:41:44.320 kill all Muslims. Um, and when asked about this by the New Yorker, this person said to Jane Mayer,

00:41:50.540 I will deny that. I will deny that if you print that. And she says, well, I've got you on email.

00:41:55.040 So, and he said, well, I'm going to deny that it happened. So in any event, that's what we have

00:41:58.660 about your time at Concerned Vets. Would you like to address those allegations?

00:42:03.500 Have any more delightful things to say?

00:42:06.800 First of all, I will only say that I'm incredibly proud of what we accomplished at Concerned Veterans

00:42:12.180 for America. I actually would argue that there's not a single vets group in the country that

00:42:16.020 accomplished more in a smaller amount of time than we did. If you look at the reforms at the VA,

00:42:20.600 we talked about this a lot on your show, the Veterans Accountability Act and the Choice Act

00:42:24.340 for vets. Um, we, we were the intellectual harbor. We started that movement, built a whole report on it,

00:42:30.880 drove it up on Capitol Hill, and ultimately led to its passing by working with Democrats and

00:42:36.040 Republicans. And then Donald Trump took it and ran with it. Do you know how hard it is to get

00:42:40.140 reforms passed in this town? It's really, really hard, especially the ability to fire employees,

00:42:45.760 cut through the SES system, and the ability to take on the VA bureaucracy and let people choose

00:42:50.420 their healthcare. Like what we did, a couple of vets and military family members with, with generous

00:42:56.340 donors, organizing and building is truly remarkable. Again, the amount of people that are willing to go

00:43:04.120 on the record that were in all of these places with their name, with their credibility tied to

00:43:09.180 is staggering. Um, they're in the media and they're, they're talking that Jane Mayer and others who are

00:43:14.660 reporting this refuse to talk to those people. All they've done is talk to disgruntled former

00:43:20.760 employees. If, by the way, I'm at the point where I don't even know if they're talking to real

00:43:24.400 employees. I really mean that. I mean, this stuff is, is so bogus. How can you know? What does it take

00:43:28.500 to add a third or fourth or fifth anonymous source to a story? There's no accountability for them on

00:43:34.140 that. So I don't, I don't believe any of it at this point. Um, but ultimately, you know, all of

00:43:40.180 those allegations, again, anonymously, anonymously given a totally unsourced fly in the face of the

00:43:47.420 overarching trajectory of that organization. I want to get to the end of that as well. I was not fired.

00:43:53.660 I was not pushed out. There were no allegations of impropriety. There were no allegations of

00:43:58.880 excessive drinking. That was, I was, I knew all the people above us in the hierarchy of that.

00:44:04.520 Ultimately, I think it was actually, I think it was actually on your show. And I mean that

00:44:09.100 where I was talking about defeating ISIS. There was a foreign policy discussion going on. It was

00:44:14.040 the end of 2015, early 2016, how we need to crush ISIS. Very hawkish about that. And I'll never forget,

00:44:19.980 I got off the air with you. And I got a phone call from some of the folks tied to the organization

00:44:24.700 saying, um, this has exacerbated the perceived differences in policy we have about foreign policy.

00:44:32.800 And we need to start a discussion about whether this is going to work. I had a very, they had just

00:44:37.740 had a very different view of foreign policy than I did. And they didn't want the organization to move

00:44:41.660 into foreign policy. They wanted to stay focused on veterans and, and sort of economic issues.

00:44:47.720 And I'm saying, we got the black flag of ISIS flying over the place where I fought.

00:44:52.700 Right. You want me to be silent on this? I remember that. You remember that? I mean,

00:44:56.160 we had some, and so ultimately after a couple of weeks, it was agreed upon, let's just part ways.

00:45:02.800 Uh, and that's the other letter I have in here is the letter from the trustee of Concerned Veterans

00:45:06.080 for America. I have, well, I have some of this. So there's Randy Lair. Yep. That's it.

00:45:10.880 In 2016, before any of this broke, before any of this mirror campaign, he went on the record in the

00:45:15.260 letter saying Pete was a strong leader at Concerned Veterans for America and was not fired because

00:45:20.340 this whistleblower thing had, had raised its ugly head at that time. By the way, the word whistleblower

00:45:25.180 gets used just for everybody watching right now. Um, you know, I guess Alexander Vindman and others

00:45:29.600 exploded the definition of what that means. What that means is a disgruntled email to someone saying,

00:45:35.360 I don't like this person. Usually anonymous. Was anonymous. It was anonymous at the time,

00:45:40.620 Megan, except the person who wrote it wasn't good at hiding metadata. So 15 seconds worth of, uh,

00:45:47.240 research from someone who knew computers identified it as the person you just spoke about. Um, and the

00:45:52.700 reason I've known about all this for such a long time is when I left CVA, there was some jealousy of

00:45:58.580 my profile and what I was going to go do at Fox. And so that email that you're talking about,

00:46:03.020 the whistleblower report, the email was forwarded to every single executive and host at Fox news

00:46:08.940 channel. I mean, you just ask them. I remember, um, a number of dear friends being like, I just got

00:46:14.180 an email about you. That's really bad. Um, I don't believe it, but I just want you to be aware I got

00:46:20.240 it. And so that letter from Randy Lair was a response to me saying, Hey guys, help me out here.

00:46:26.280 I'm being totally impugned at Fox where I'm grateful to have this opportunity. Can you help me out?

00:46:30.560 And they don't normally do that, but they did it because it was such an overwhelming amount of

00:46:34.220 garbage being thrown at me. That was then also, um, I don't know what the process was at Fox,

00:46:39.300 but reviewed by Fox. And they said, Hey, Pete's good to go. So, uh, they identified it as anonymous

00:46:45.820 and salacious and ridiculous at the time, which is precisely what it always has been. So this is

00:46:51.320 Jane Mayer trying to traffic up old stuff that we knew about, like my team knew about, this was all

00:46:56.820 predictable. What you don't predict is the level to which they'll continue to twist and distort it

00:47:02.620 and add things to it. That adding more untrue things to things that are already untrue.

00:47:07.500 Uh, want to tell the audience too, that Holly Talley, uh, who was it with concern vets in

00:47:11.500 Louisiana said, you're an example of honesty, integrity, and character. She never saw any

00:47:15.700 inappropriate behavior involving you. Karen Vaughn, gold star mom who traveled with you for three

00:47:19.300 years with this group said, you're trustworthy, you're dedicated, you're brilliant. This is all

00:47:22.720 disinformation. You were born for this job. Mark Lucas, executive director of concern vets,

00:47:27.440 gave you a glowing assessment. There are many people going on the record to say they never saw

00:47:31.820 a hint of impropriety. They only had the most positive experiences with you. It just underscores

00:47:36.660 Pete, what a difficult position you've been placed in here. Um, and, and Jesse's welcome to come on the

00:47:42.540 show and, and repeat these allegations. I don't think, I don't think she wants to, because I don't

00:47:46.580 think she, I think she probably regrets a lot of that. She may not like me, but the reality is,

00:47:51.180 you know, she tried to call out that my combat experience wasn't real and that I really never

00:47:55.280 was in combat. And then I was everybody, you know, she had ideas of what she wanted to do in the

00:48:00.700 media. I was doing my own thing in the media. I don't have any desire to tear her down. She,

00:48:06.060 she can, but she's back. She, interestingly, she has gone on television since I was chosen and said,

00:48:11.540 I'd be a great secretary of defense. So you can roll that tape on your own. Just Google it. She said,

00:48:16.640 Pete would be amazing. And I love where he's at on the issues. You mentioned Holly Talley.

00:48:20.520 There's also Tina Kingston. Who's a, uh, both of them are female. Both of them work for me. Both

00:48:25.140 of them are wonderful. Uh, Tina Kingston was a Lieutenant Colonel. I may have been a Colonel.

00:48:29.680 I should be forgiven if I don't know that, but a Colonel, uh, in the, in Louisiana, both were in

00:48:34.500 Louisiana and Ohio when those purported incidents occurred and said that never happened. Females

00:48:42.080 who worked with me said that never happened. So I don't know how many more times we have to sort

00:48:46.460 of point that out to discredit these. I mean, by the way, they're not members of the media,

00:48:51.240 Megan, you know, that Jane Mayer and all these Gabe Sherman and all these trash artists,

00:48:56.660 they're not members of the media. They're leftists with keyboards. They are agenda drivers whose whole

00:49:03.560 job is to try to destroy anyone who supports Donald Trump, believes in what he's fighting for,

00:49:09.480 and is trying to advance it. And of course, if you're this young nominee for the secretary of

00:49:13.300 defense, uh, who's going to try to do big things on behalf of the warfighter and take on an entire

00:49:18.280 system, you're target number one, you are target number one. And so they've peddled this, uh, it's

00:49:24.840 not reporting. It's not real. It's fake. And we're going to fight back. And for far too long,

00:49:31.120 conservatives, Republicans, Trump support, not, not, not Trump supporters. That's Trump supporters

00:49:34.740 have learned. Donald Trump's led the way he knows how to fight. He never, he said that to me this

00:49:39.580 morning, like I said, but we have to learn to fight through like the chaos, um, and the violence

00:49:46.340 of the moment of the way they tear you down of the way they try to demoralize you. They try to

00:49:51.000 get people to turn on you. And what's been really cool in this process is that every, everybody that

00:49:57.900 knows me, and I mean, everyone who truly knows me and has been with me for the last 15 has put their

00:50:03.680 name on the record and said, I stand by this guy. That's a humble, I, I, you, we were talking just

00:50:07.740 for a second before the show out there and you relayed what I hadn't seen Fox and friends this

00:50:11.580 morning. It's the first time I got a tear to my eye in this whole process. Um, is that you said

00:50:17.760 that Brian, Steve Ainsley and Lawrence came out in my defense this morning as people who had worked

00:50:21.640 with me at Fox. It wasn't Ainsley. There was a sub in for her. Oh, it was, uh, it was, um, also

00:50:25.700 amazing, um, from outnumbered. Um, I don't know her. Oh, I know her. Well, she's with Kaylee. Uh,

00:50:31.520 it was Emily. Emily Campanio. Emily Campanio. She's wonderful. They're going out there with

00:50:37.900 unnamed sources. When we sit on the couch with him almost every day, I think it's just for over

00:50:44.600 10 years. It just, to me, that is the stunning part, especially when you don't reach out to his

00:50:49.660 co-host of the show for comment to say, Hey, what do you guys think about that? No one has been

00:50:55.580 contacted about that. I think that screams that it's a witch. And you can't fill in for Laura

00:51:00.700 Ingram, Sean Hannity, uh, work for eight hours every Sunday, fill in for all of us over the

00:51:06.040 course of 14 years. The way the, the, his detractors are describing him, it would be

00:51:10.520 impossible to think he'd still be surviving, but stay out of the marriages. It has nothing to do

00:51:15.640 with this. The fact that they do that, like they don't have to do that, but they also know me.

00:51:21.560 And if there's anything people know about me as well, I work really hard to be kind and fair to

00:51:25.520 people. I've been a tough business, tough business, advocating on Capitol Hill, tough

00:51:30.600 business, pulling triggers as an infantryman, tough business, playing basketball at Princeton.

00:51:34.420 Like there was no more. I sat on the bench for four years and told I wasn't good enough to play.

00:51:38.320 You know, like I'm used to being people coming at me. Um, but I also, the people that know me also

00:51:44.720 know that I'm kind and loyal to people and I work really hard and they have my back. And that means a

00:51:50.700 lot. How are we going to get anybody to volunteer for public service now? Like you were at Fox.

00:51:54.680 Yes. I'm sure you were making seven figures and you got offered this amazing opportunity to serve

00:52:00.100 our country again. And you said, yes, sir, I'll do it. And then what happened? They tried to destroy

00:52:04.680 you. They're currently trying to destroy you, not only from this role, but from any job ever again,

00:52:09.200 from going back to Fox, if this doesn't work out from going onto the private sector, you know,

00:52:13.660 what he's an alcoholic, philandering, rapist, uh, mismanager of money. I mean, everything they can

00:52:19.640 pile on you, they are piling on you. And all I can think is who the hell would say

00:52:24.400 yes to working for the government after watching this kind of thing. And it's fine. The audience

00:52:29.880 can make up their own mind about what's real and what's not, but the, but it requires reporting of

00:52:33.780 the other side. And that's why I raise the testimonials that are being given about you

00:52:38.360 for me as a friend of yours and as a member of the media, it's stomach turning. It's such a

00:52:44.180 their election of duty. Uh, so I, I understand it's, it is an arsenal of lies. It is an arsenal

00:52:50.640 of lies. Um, they, they mobilize to destroy. I've had senators look me in the eye, friends,

00:52:57.560 great said, they're trying to kill you. And, and what I, what I, when I wake up, I look at my wife

00:53:03.720 and talk about it and say, if Donald Trump can do this, if he can fight the way that he's fought

00:53:08.820 with everything they've done to them, then we better learn to be able to fight ourselves.

00:53:12.600 So we don't know precisely how this is all going to play out. I'm going to go up on Capitol Hill,

00:53:16.920 meet with all these senators, keep working hard, try to earn votes, respect the process.

00:53:21.480 The future is in God's hands. And I'm, I'm going to put my head on the pillow tonight,

00:53:25.360 content of that. And I pray that he gives me the opportunity to serve my country as the secretary

00:53:30.640 of defense. And if he did, I know I do a damn good job and I'd fight like hell. Um, if it doesn't

00:53:36.360 happen, I'm going to be able to know I did everything I could in this process that I told

00:53:40.660 the truth, uh, that I took on the haters and the liars and the media, uh, and there'll be another

00:53:45.880 chapter God will provide. Uh, and you know what? I ultimately, I've got seven beautiful kids who,

00:53:52.080 um, are going to have an opportunity to fight for the future of our country as well. And that's,

00:53:56.460 that's why I'm doing this. That's who I dedicated my last couple of books to.

00:54:00.200 They're going to have to fight for the Republic too.

00:54:02.020 Speaking of Ainsley Earhart on Fox news, after my, um, ending at NBC news, Ainsley

00:54:09.340 is such a, she's an angel. She sent me this beautiful, uh, display of orchids and the card

00:54:16.100 read, give it to God. And that's, that's where you are right now, right? Give it to God. Like

00:54:21.700 it's too much of a burden to carry yourself. Give it to God. And you know what, Pete, she was a hundred

00:54:25.900 percent right. Uh, like my own life turned around dramatically from that moment to this. So I feel

00:54:32.280 like whatever God has in store for you, whether it's this job or a different one, but I think it

00:54:36.520 will be this job. Um, I think greatness awaits. I like your newfound look, uh, look out on life,

00:54:42.940 your newfound connection to him, to your wife, like all of that goodness breeds more goodness.

00:54:48.840 That's my hope for you. And that's my belief too.

00:54:50.700 And I want to, and I want to thank everybody out there who's praying for me, who's praying

00:54:54.300 for us, not just from our church or the people that we know and hurt, but at Fox across the

00:55:00.140 country, the amount of incoming notes, emails, you can, you can feel it, but we need it. That's

00:55:08.040 the shield. That's the armor of God we need. And I just want everybody out there who's doing

00:55:12.140 that to know we are giving it to God.

00:55:14.160 Okay. But less happy would be, um, the confirmation hearings, how you're going to get cross

00:55:18.640 examined by Democrats and potentially an FBI investigation. Do you, do you welcome an FBI

00:55:24.060 investigation?

00:55:25.000 Well, I can't wait for a FBI investigation. Can't wait. How soon can they start?

00:55:29.160 Really?

00:55:29.580 Yes. Because that gives me an opportunity for them to do a real investigation. So what the

00:55:34.320 media is doing right now is a, is witch hunt. Uh, it's, it's trial by false accusation and lies.

00:55:39.660 The FBI is going to look through what, and if they do their job properly, which I fully expect

00:55:44.320 they will, uh, they'll talk to everybody and get the full story and a full understanding.

00:55:49.120 That's a report I welcome. Um, so yeah, we're not, we're not hiding for that one bit.

00:55:52.960 Is there a point at which you do what Matt Gaetz did? You know, too much of a distraction,

00:55:58.380 realize I can't get through the senators won't do it. Is that, is there a point like that?

00:56:03.280 I mean, that's the president's call. What I know in this entire process is there's only one man in

00:56:09.200 America that got 76 million votes, one man that American voted for and for his, for change in

00:56:14.540 the Senate and in Washington, DC. He asked me, I shook his hand. I told him I'd fight like hell

00:56:19.740 for him. If there's a moment where he calls me and says, Pete, attaboy, but it's, it's, you're not

00:56:26.520 the guy I will salute and say, whatever assignment you need for me next, I'm, I'll do it. It's, it's his

00:56:32.840 call and he's shown great confidence in me and I respect his perspective on it, no matter which way it

00:56:37.900 goes. Can we spend some time on what you would do in the job? Please. I'd love that. The women in

00:56:43.800 combat thing is, has made some headlines. I've said already that I agree with you on it for various

00:56:48.780 reasons. There've been studies showing that the troops perform more effectively when there is a

00:56:53.080 separation and women can be extremely effective in supportive roles right around it, but maybe not

00:56:57.340 on the front lines next to the men. Is that a position you still hold? I wrote a chapter on that in

00:57:02.500 my book, which I would encourage people to read. I'm familiar with the studies that you're talking about

00:57:06.300 because I've, I've studied this issue. What I would say when I step back is that women are already in

00:57:11.740 combat, female engagement teams, fighter pilots, you know, EOD, military police, and they play an

00:57:18.340 indispensable role. My, my real concern here is not about men or women. I, the, the women of the

00:57:24.820 Pentagon of our military are revered, appreciated, and I will be a secretary of defense for them.

00:57:29.760 Like everybody else, their biggest advocate, all I've really ever cared about is making sure the

00:57:35.160 standards are maintained. Right. That, um, men or women, when we look at duty MOSs, jobs in the

00:57:42.500 military that were properly assigning a threshold for capability that has nothing to do with gender

00:57:47.940 and only to do with what is needed to do the job effectively. And that means some jobs will be open

00:57:53.680 evenly to every flying drones is a very different capacity than carrying a rucksack with a hundred

00:57:59.640 pounds in it and a, and a 240 Bravo. Um, that's going to have a different qualification. And if

00:58:04.880 we have the right standard and women meet that standard, Roger, let's go. If they, if they, if they

00:58:11.560 can't, that's, and that's a, that's a product of physical differences because the standard's high,

00:58:16.700 then that's just the reality. Uh, and I think that's an easy way to look at it stand, but we've seen

00:58:22.080 standards, um, formally and informally be eroded in pursuit of quotas, or we need a certain

00:58:29.240 percentage or number here. You can't do that. You got to get rid of all of that. Make sure the

00:58:33.840 standards are high and that they're applied properly. What do you think is the biggest

00:58:36.600 problem with the military today? Like what's something you'd like to address on day one?

00:58:40.080 Oh my goodness. Um, it's the charge that the president gave me. The biggest problem is we are,

00:58:44.600 the military has been distracted from its core mission, which is lethality, lethality, lethality,

00:58:51.280 close with and destroy the enemy, deter our enemies, and then have the ability to defeat them

00:58:56.620 swiftly and come home. That's it. The military is in the business of deterring and fighting wars,

00:59:01.980 killing bad guys. Anything else you're asking it to do is a distraction. So when you're pushing CRT

00:59:08.180 and DEI and all these notions that there's systemic racism, anybody who served in these units, and I've

00:59:14.720 written about this extensively and talked about it, knows that systemic racism is not a problem in our

00:59:20.400 military today. In fact, the percentage of racism and extreme and extremism in our military

00:59:24.700 is a fraction of what it is in the general public. Thankfully, our military has been a huge part of

00:59:30.000 racial reconciliation in our country from the very beginning. Ask any guy or gal. It's never been about

00:59:36.880 skin color. It's only about green and red that you bleed together. That's it. So CRT, DEI, climate and

00:59:45.900 green initiatives, you know, trans initiatives, all the quotas, get it out, out. Standards, accountability,

00:59:54.780 meritocracy, lethality. And that also means, by the way, no tolerance for things like sexual assault,

01:00:00.080 no tolerance for things that make us less capable. All of that's got to stop. It's got to go. It's got

01:00:05.600 to be dealt with. And so I think my background specifically gives me a chance to focus on the

01:00:10.520 warfighter and readiness. That's what the president has charged me first and foremost to do. And I think

01:00:15.140 when you, when that happens, Megan, I've already seen the amount of messages I've gotten from guys

01:00:20.780 and gals saying, I wasn't going to join. I'm 18, but I joined because President Trump was elected and

01:00:26.840 you're going to be the secretary. I'm hearing it too. And, or I was going to get out as an E6,

01:00:31.060 but I'm re-upping because I'm ready to go. We are on the cusp of a recruiting renaissance. We will see

01:00:37.320 guys and gals join this military in droves because we still have a lot of, we have patriots in this

01:00:43.380 country who want to believe in institutions that have traditionally fought for and defended this

01:00:49.260 nation. It's get back to basics as, and there's a lot of other things we can talk about back to

01:00:53.420 basics. And when we do that, I actually think, I know you'll see the vast majority of the Pentagon

01:00:58.700 respond to that as well. Do you think the folks who wear the uniform in Washington DC want to be

01:01:04.020 distracted by other things? Or do you think they want to focus on warfighting and lethality? I know

01:01:08.020 the answer to that and that's coming. Can you spend a minute on the forever wars and the risks

01:01:13.800 that we're looking at right now? We've got Syria in the midst of a civil war that's amping up where

01:01:18.760 we could see Bashar al-Assad deposed. We've got the risk of China possibly taking Taiwan in the second

01:01:25.380 Trump term. We've got the explosive powder keg in the Middle East. We've got Ukraine. There's a lot

01:01:31.000 going on that could potentially involve our military at a time where the American public's really not

01:01:36.820 feeling all that interventionist. So how do you look at those conflicts and the role of the

01:01:41.680 military in 2024, 2025 America? Yeah. I mean, first and foremost, I looked at the commander-in-chief's

01:01:46.840 direction on that, his America first agenda and how he wants to adapt and adjust the way we focus

01:01:52.280 on threats. He's the boss. I'm an execution arm and my job is to give him advice as it pertains to

01:01:57.960 our military and its ability to execute on that. Ultimately, we live in one of the most dangerous

01:02:03.200 times since the end of the Cold War. There's just no doubt about it. You've refined it.

01:02:05.840 But I'm also the product of two decades of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, where my view shifted a

01:02:11.480 great deal from where it was to where it is today, because you would have to be a fool

01:02:16.280 to look at the outcomes in Iraq and Afghanistan and think that what we got out of them was beneficial

01:02:23.520 to American national security interests. And that's not to take away from every vet who gave everything.

01:02:28.360 I was one of them. Those last folks in Afghanistan, the 13 we lost, the people who fought for the places

01:02:34.400 that ISIS took back. Like that investment, that fight, that mission is real. And I love all of it.

01:02:39.200 But we have to be realists and clear eyed about what that intervention meant. The finite resources

01:02:44.720 that we have, the debt that we have, the threats that we have, the responsibilities our allies have

01:02:50.060 to show in Europe if they want to defend that continent. The reality of the outcome in Ukraine,

01:02:55.460 Donald Trump's been very clear about that, but that he wants to end it right away.

01:03:00.320 And that ultimately there's this huge looming threat in the Indo-Pacific, in the communist

01:03:05.160 Chinese, who are rapidly trying to build a military that outpaces ours, building military

01:03:10.940 trying to defeat us. So I don't want to get ahead of the president at all on any of this.

01:03:16.680 Part of the reason you don't normally do interviews in a confirmation process is that

01:03:20.120 anything you say will be used against you in the court of a hearing. So these are all things I've

01:03:26.140 said before and the president has said. But ultimately, yes, we live in a dangerous world,

01:03:31.220 which means if you're going to have peace through strength, you need to have the perception and the

01:03:35.940 reality of a hyper ready force ready to take on the next threat.

01:03:40.380 There was a report today. It was yesterday. It was this morning by the Wall Street Journal and

01:03:44.140 Fox News' Bill Malugin just confirmed it, saying that Trump had a face-to-face meeting at Mar-a-Lago

01:03:49.200 yesterday with Ron DeSantis. Don't know that it was specifically about this,

01:03:52.500 but that allegedly in that face-to-face meeting, they did discuss the possibility of subbing him

01:03:58.420 in for this position, depending on how things go for you. What do you think of that possibility?

01:04:05.400 Listen, it's all the president's choice. I spoke to the president this morning. He said,

01:04:09.540 I'm his guy. And I won't, I'm not going to give any other information from my conversations with

01:04:15.140 the president. I believe that what he shares with me needs to stay in confidence. But things were

01:04:20.640 addressed. And he said, you're my guy. Also saying that you're my guy was your mom on Fox and Friends.

01:04:30.040 If we all went back seven years, we would, we would see that maybe we were not the people we are today.

01:04:36.220 And I'm sure many of you across the country understand how difficult divorce is on a family.

01:04:42.400 There's emotions. We say things. And I wrote that in haste. I wrote that with deep emotions.

01:04:51.800 I wrote that out of love. And about two hours later, I retracted it with an apology email,

01:04:58.140 but nobody's seen that. I want to say something about the media. And part of today is to discredit

01:05:04.680 the media and how they operate. When they contact you, I let a few phone calls go, but then they

01:05:13.280 call you and say they threaten you. That's the first thing they do. They say, unless you make a

01:05:19.000 statement, we will publish it as is. And I think that's a despicable way to treat anyone. Threats are

01:05:27.600 dangerous. I don't think the way you operate is, it feels almost criminal when reporters call you

01:05:34.260 and threaten you. I don't think a lot of people know that's the way they operate and they don't

01:05:38.500 care who they hurt families, children. Poor Penelope. Bless her soul. Can you believe the

01:05:46.020 New York times published that email? Oh yes, because it's the New York times. It was so mean. So mean,

01:05:51.440 by the way, do you want to say anything about the mean email that your mom sent you? And then the

01:05:54.960 meanness of the New York times in publishing it. Um, so first of all, multiple outlets to their

01:05:59.520 little bit of credit had received that email before. And my mom spoke to them on to those

01:06:06.040 reporters and to their little bit of credit, they didn't run it. Wow. So I don't even want to name

01:06:10.900 them because they don't deserve any credit. But of course the failing New York times, the trash bin

01:06:15.500 that it is, um, was willing to, even after my mother spoke to the reporter and it was, it was clear

01:06:24.040 that she immediately took it back. Not just now, immediately took it back. They published it.

01:06:28.600 That's what I feel for my mom. I was going through a divorce. Uh, the issue was over child, uh, custody.

01:06:34.820 I wanted more. I want, I've got these three amazing boys who I want all the time with I can have in the

01:06:39.480 world. And so if I'm guilty of wanting more time with them, that's true. Um, and it was, you know,

01:06:44.740 ask anybody who's been through that and it can be emotional. And I, I'll, you know, the days that

01:06:49.980 followed, we worked our way through it and she walked it all back and said it was emotional.

01:06:54.300 And, but you expect that those communications are going to be private. It was private. Um,

01:06:59.420 you'd hope a place like that, like the New York times would make it about Pete Hegseth,

01:07:04.160 not Penelope Hegseth. But again, it's all the anatomy of a spear. Trash, trash, trash, trash.

01:07:10.500 Even his mom doesn't like him. Even his mom thinks he's horrible.

01:07:14.540 Didn't CVS put a mic in your face today or yesterday saying, what would you like to say

01:07:18.260 about your mom? You said, I love her. I love my mom. And you know, it's, I mean, it's,

01:07:23.660 it's also a scenario where it's not as if, you know, it's, it's a good news story, right? It's

01:07:28.380 about family and family repair. I would do the same thing to my son. If you're involved in a

01:07:33.720 contentious divorce where I didn't like the way he was handling it, I would send a harshly worded

01:07:38.180 email to try to shore his behavior up. And it does seem like over time, Pete, you did

01:07:44.520 kind of hear her. I mean, that you did wind up changing.

01:07:47.220 I think you're, I think I saw you right. Yeah. You're a good, she's a good mom.

01:07:49.740 She's a good mom. She is a good mom. She always has been. And she's been wonderful to me and to

01:07:54.900 Jen and to our family. And, but it is, it's a great news story of redemption of, of family healing.

01:08:00.560 And it didn't happen over a long period of time. It happened real quick. You know, we were very close.

01:08:07.480 She spends weeks at a time at our house with our, with our, with her grandkids. They're with us for a

01:08:12.180 month over the summer. Her and my wife are dear friends. I love her to death. She knows it. She

01:08:16.700 wouldn't. And when I called her and said, mom, will you go on Fox and friends? I mean, it wasn't a

01:08:21.480 hesitation. She was like, I would be honored to have the ability to talk about you. So I actually

01:08:26.020 haven't seen the whole interview yet as of this recording, but from what I've heard from people,

01:08:30.540 mom did a great job. So thank you, mom. I appreciate it.

01:08:33.140 I think you're going to be very proud. And I'm sure she's very proud of you. Thank you for sitting

01:08:36.240 with me, Pete. It's great to see you.

01:08:37.660 Thank you, Megan. I appreciate the time.

01:08:38.300 All the best of luck to you.

01:08:39.260 God bless. Thank you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 04, 2024

Pete Hegseth Speaks Out in Exclusive Interview, Addressing Media Smears, Responding to Accusations, and How He'd Reform Military ｜ Ep. 957

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