The Megyn Kelly Show - Platner's ＂Sexting＂ Scandal Lies, Jill Biden's Book Tour Panic, and CBS Host Attacks Boss Bari, with Emily Jashinsky ｜ Ep. 1329

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00:00:42.380 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday and happy June.

00:00:46.940 It's June 1st. How did that happen? Great to be here. There is a ton to get to today. We

00:00:52.320 hardly know where to begin, including some stunning reports about the frontrunner to be

00:00:56.460 the Democrat nominee for Maine's Senate seat. We are going to go through this Graham Plattner

00:01:01.220 fake denial like we are FBI agents trying to crack open a homicide case. This guy is lying

00:01:09.160 through his teeth. Do you care? That's up to you. But I do care when they lie. You want to fuck

00:01:16.880 around on your wife? Excuse me. It's kind of your business. But the lying to my face is upsetting. 1.00

00:01:22.900 And honestly, this guy is emotionally unregulated. That's what's true. All right. This this June 9th primary is going to happen and he's going to win that. And then he's expected to face off against the incumbent Republican Senator Susan Collins, who, you know, she gets a lot of crap from, you know, diehard righties because she's so moderate.

00:01:45.280 She'll work across the aisle. 0.98

00:01:46.400 People are now ripping her for voting for President Biden's.

00:01:50.840 Well, wait, no, for, you know, President Obama's Supreme Court nominees and President Biden's, I guess, too, including Ketanji Brown Jackson. 0.99

00:02:00.020 But that's what senators used to do.

00:02:02.520 That that was normal. 0.99

00:02:04.240 It was normal for senators to vote for a president's Supreme Court nominees unless they were really a super crazy ass, you know, leftist or righty being nominated. 1.00

00:02:14.140 Anyway, Susan Collins is going to have to face off against this guy. 1.00

00:02:18.120 And this woman who everybody wanted to go farther to the right, do more like more extreme things. 1.00

00:02:23.460 She didn't because she lives in Maine. 1.00

00:02:25.880 She would never get reelected.

00:02:27.460 I mean, she's barely hanging on right now, having held the moderate line.

00:02:34.240 So you can kind of see the position she's been in.

00:02:37.080 And she might lose to this guy with a Nazi tattoo and apparently six to 12 sexting partners while he's married.

00:02:44.680 Like, it's a problem for her if that happens. 0.82

00:02:49.680 But we've got a lot to do there on that show.

00:02:53.140 All right.

00:02:53.400 And it's like his Reddit posts.

00:02:56.020 That was one thing.

00:02:57.700 Now he's on.

00:02:58.520 He's been outed as being on this website, Kik, which is known for, like, the place to exploit children.

00:03:06.840 Why was he on there?

00:03:08.380 Why did he join that at 32 years old?

00:03:11.140 I'm dead serious.

00:03:12.700 The sexting scandal while he's married is interesting to me, but I'm much more interested in why is a 32-year-old man on kick?

00:03:20.640 What exactly did he do on there?

00:03:22.680 It should be knowable.

00:03:24.140 But if there is any, any whiff of any sort of exploitation of a child, we do need to know that.

00:03:31.780 That's a hard no on advancing in American politics.

00:03:35.480 So I don't know that there's there is any. I'm not suggesting that I've seen anything, but you shouldn't be on kick.

00:03:42.820 You shouldn't be on kick as a 32 year old man. That's what it's known for.

00:03:47.280 So we've got a lot of juicy details about the sexting scandal and all this stuff.

00:03:50.980 And we got to get into their denials. Also, the cretin Tom Steyer is surging in the race for California governor as voters head to the polls tomorrow.

00:04:00.140 This thing where they have to elect the top two happens tomorrow, and he's up there.

00:04:05.720 It's basically now Javier Becerra is at the top, and it's a tie, just about, like one point separating them,

00:04:13.940 for a second between Tom Steyer and Steve Hilton.

00:04:17.840 It could wind up that Steve Hilton is not even in the top two, my friends.

00:04:21.520 Don't allow this to happen, California viewers, please.

00:04:24.500 I beg of you.

00:04:25.720 So what does this villainous Tom Steyer do?

00:04:30.140 whose, you know, his biggest push in the final moments has been, we have to have boys and girls

00:04:34.500 sports. And looking at this A.B. Hernandez, who's been stealing all the girls' medals

00:04:40.060 in California and saying, like, I'm so proud of you. And I will make it my mission to support you

00:04:45.560 from danger. What are you saying? You're going to protect A.B. Hernandez from danger? It is the

00:04:52.100 boys and girls sports who are endangering the girls. Like, track and field is one thing.

00:04:58.520 At least A.B. Hernandez is not endangering anybody, but other boys are in field hockey and volleyball and basketball and soccer.

00:05:07.420 So that's his closing message.

00:05:09.400 And for the final ad of this phase of the campaign, who does he turn to?

00:05:16.840 Jon Hamm.

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00:05:31.480 The Nerve is fun, and it's all about culture.

00:05:34.780 And she's our cultural prosecutor, as she calls herself, and she is.

00:05:39.640 She opened The Nerve, the inaugural episode of The Nerve, on Jon Hamm and his alleged severe abuse of a young man in a fraternity hazing scandal.

00:05:54.280 that for some reason, Hollyweird has allowed him to escape or ignore.

00:06:00.920 Well, you want to get political, John? Let's go. It's on. It's on.

00:06:08.160 I cannot believe Tom Steyer didn't at least do a Google search of Jon Hamm

00:06:13.660 before selecting him to voice over his campaign ad. We'll get into it.

00:06:19.200 Plus, Dr. Jill Biden. And yes, indeed, they are all calling her that. It's so absurd. Dr. Jill is on a media tour ahead of the release of her new memoir tomorrow. And even though she's being treated with kid gloves, it's not going well. It is not going very well at all.

00:06:37.560 She went over to the Today Show this morning and like the mildest little questions from Craig Melvin resulted in her getting so defensive, demanding that we see her as inspirational.

00:06:49.300 She's giving Gail King.

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00:08:25.120 Emily welcome back great to see you thanks for having me Megan good to be here oh my god I don't 0.99

00:08:30.500 even know where to start but I I guess I'll start with Graham Plattner because I am into these

00:08:36.220 obviously fake denials so it's crazy what what they're going with with he and his wife uh like

00:08:43.900 let me start with this I just said last week when Ken Paxton beat John Cornyn notwithstanding the

00:08:49.520 fact that Ken Paxton has all these scandals in his past including like with women not his wife

00:08:55.040 and that the wife filed for divorce saying it wasn't a biblical marriage.

00:09:01.260 That I think we've gotten to the point in American politics where,

00:09:04.840 as Heather McDonald has been arguing for a while,

00:09:07.660 like Eros has no place in assessing a candidate's fitness.

00:09:12.820 Like men will be men is a short form way of putting it.

00:09:17.240 I'm sorry to be sexist.

00:09:18.580 I guess women will be women too.

00:09:19.880 But you know what I'm saying?

00:09:21.000 That like after the excesses of the Me Too movement,

00:09:24.080 which was more about sexual harassment and abuse than it was about cheating on your spouse. But

00:09:28.500 people are just like shy to get into what's happening in a person's marriage

00:09:33.020 as a matter of politics. And I think that's right. I think we are very different-minded

00:09:38.460 about it in 2026 than we were in 2016 even. However, what Graham Plattner should have done

00:09:46.600 was to come out and say, my wife and I had problems in the beginning of our relationship.

00:09:50.620 we dealt with him through counseling and that's all i'm going to say about it it's a private matter

00:09:54.660 that's it i honestly i would be like get off his back i really would but that's not what he did

00:10:00.820 he came out and clearly lied to us and now it's on now it's on graham um because you've been lying

00:10:06.480 for a while like you didn't know that was a nazi tattoo that's obviously not true either

00:10:10.320 we don't know why he got a nazi tattoo i i'm not i don't think you're a nazi he was drunk on marine

00:10:16.080 leave in Croatia, which who among us, Megan? I mean, you know, I've totally, I was like my mom,

00:10:23.200 Linda, she got a tattoo when she turned 70. Um, it was of a rosary. Um, I don't think she could

00:10:31.580 have like accidentally been inked with a swastika or Nazi insignia, but she probably wasn't that

00:10:37.800 drunk. My mom could have been, I don't think she was drunk at all. Um, in any event. So just 0.99

00:10:45.920 to back up, the Wall Street Journal breaks the story that he allegedly was sexting with some

00:10:52.900 number of women post his marriage to his wife, Amy, and pre-launch of the campaign.

00:11:01.860 He married his wife, Amy, in late 2023. Definitely in 2023. I think it was late 2023.

00:11:09.540 So this is recent history. This isn't like they got married 25 years ago and there was something, like who cares, right? This is a couple years ago. He was a newlywed and he was caught sexting with some number of women, six to 12.

00:11:30.160 Originally, the number was 12, and then their defense was, it was only six.

00:11:38.460 Note to the fellas at home, don't try this.

00:11:41.260 You have to set the bar high.

00:11:43.620 So then when you get to the real number, it looks better.

00:11:48.300 Half that, honey.

00:11:49.600 Like half that.

00:11:51.400 A 50% decrease.

00:11:54.400 Right, right.

00:11:55.200 It's going in the right direction.

00:11:56.160 So he, and by the way, one of the really interesting things is the person who outed this, Genevieve McDonald, who did not cloak herself in nobility either, because this woman, the reason she apparently knew that this was true is she is the one who heard it directly from Amy.

00:12:17.520 She was running Graham's campaign, and she went to Amy, and I guess Graham, saying,

00:12:23.960 if there's anything bad we need to know about, please tell us now so we're not surprised.

00:12:28.000 And then Amy told her this.

00:12:30.300 So I do feel bad because that is dirty pool, man.

00:12:33.800 That hurts.

00:12:35.900 But, you know, live and learn.

00:12:38.620 You know, I've been burned by these nasty PR agents, too, in the past. 1.00

00:12:41.940 They are just a bunch of disgusting, filthy scum. 1.00

00:12:45.180 There might be one or two exceptions out there, but as a pool, disgusting, filthy, dirty, lying scum, that's what they are. 1.00

00:12:55.020 So this woman wasn't PR. 1.00

00:12:57.040 She was campaign, which same same rules. 1.00

00:12:59.980 Anyway, now she's decided to go out the story. 0.99

00:13:04.800 The threats that came her way from the Plattner campaign, we can get to in a minute, but she gets the story out there.

00:13:09.440 So it's not like.

00:13:12.260 Oppo research like she heard it directly.

00:13:15.180 from Amy. It's, that's pretty, other having, other than having Amy sit down with the New York

00:13:20.600 Times and say it, um, you're not going to do better than that, which is why both papers went

00:13:25.080 with it and felt confident, uh, in going with it. Well, then Amy comes out with her, okay, long,

00:13:32.580 overly therapized response to this. And then Graham comes out with what are clearly lies.

00:13:37.120 And let's go through them each. Let's first look at Amy's response to the reporting in part. She

00:13:43.480 went on. This is boiled down to a minute. It's not one. I find it really shameful that there's

00:13:49.580 a group of media outlets and people who are willing to spread gossip instead of talking

00:13:59.920 about real issues. Graham and I have a great marriage. Being married is hard. Being newly

00:14:08.260 married is hard being newly married and going through infertility is hard being newly married

00:14:15.240 going through infertility and a senate campaign is is hard our marriage counselor helps uh my

00:14:23.720 personal counselor helps crown's personal counselor helps i don't want a perfect marriage i want my

00:14:29.860 marriage and i want to be married to grand i knew the man that i married had been through an immense

00:14:36.420 amount of violent active combat and um he's been in therapy for years i just i admire the 0.95

00:14:49.300 fuck out of him so when there are news articles about our marriage it's just extra shitty

00:14:54.540 okay so emily just a couple things media outlets willing to share gossip like like this is the 1.00

00:15:04.940 media's creation. This is not the media's creation. This is your husband's creation.

00:15:09.000 No one forced him to run for office. Literally nobody could have stayed on the side. This is

00:15:12.860 why a lot of people stay on the sidelines. They don't want to get dragged for bad behavior. Most

00:15:17.640 people don't have as quite as few, quite as many items in that column as Graham Plattner does,

00:15:24.240 right? You have a couple of things that they, they feel ashamed about it. They wish they hadn't done

00:15:28.140 those like Nazi tattoos and maybe a dozen sexting partners while married is different,

00:15:34.260 not to mention the kick membership, which we'll get to. That's one point, which I want to talk

00:15:38.680 to you about. And secondly, being married is hard. Disagree. Disagree. I've said this before.

00:15:46.360 It's actually awesome. And I, you know, I have to say, I do think if you really think marriage

00:15:51.260 is very hard, you might not be married to the right person. I, you can disagree with me. There

00:15:56.140 may be a lot of married people out there disagreeing with me, but my own view of it is

00:15:59.540 if it's really hard, you married the wrong person. I'm blessed to tell you my marriage is

00:16:04.000 not hard. 10% of it is hard. 90% of it is totally blissful and awesome. Married my best friend.

00:16:09.720 He's supportive. He's great. We're hot for each other. First person I look forward to talking to

00:16:14.600 about anything. Like it's great. I don't know why she's having such a hard time two years in.

00:16:19.120 Then she says being newly married is hard. No, it's not. That's usually the blissful period for

00:16:23.400 everyone. What do you mean? Even the people who think it's hard and disagree with me on it will

00:16:28.900 usually say that the early years are good. Even their early year is apparently not good.

00:16:34.280 Newly married while going through infertility is really hard. Again, no, it isn't. I did that too.

00:16:39.180 It was fine. We did it together. It was a journey. We knew, you know, whatever happened, we'd be okay.

00:16:44.540 We had each other. They're apparently not looking at each other that way because he's busy on kick.

00:16:48.460 And then newly married, married, newly married, and newly married going through infertility.

00:16:53.140 And while running a Senate campaign is really, who made you do that? Who made you run for office?

00:16:58.740 Everyone's got challenges.

00:17:00.220 They may not be running for Senate, but everyone has a boss.

00:17:03.500 Everyone has the fear of getting fired.

00:17:05.700 Everyone always has the risk of public humiliation, whether it's via Facebook or, you know, friend group or what have you.

00:17:10.740 So you're not special.

00:17:12.380 Just stop.

00:17:13.300 Okay?

00:17:14.160 You're in this position because of your own decisions, yours and your very strange husbands.

00:17:18.980 So let's start there with Amy and the messaging around all this, EJ.

00:17:22.880 Yeah, I mean, you can't, obviously, you can't blame the media for reporting a story about the character of somebody who's trying to win a Senate seat, a competitive Senate seat, nonetheless. So, yeah, that's a little bit of a cop out. I think I heard Plattner also yesterday saying that there was journalistic malpractice at hand. I read both the Times story, the Wall Street Journal story, didn't see anything that really qualified as journalistic malpractice in that.

00:17:46.120 But he is a four-time combat veteran and has said that he has PTSD. That's how he explained the Reddit posts. And so I don't doubt that it probably is difficult for any person suffering that much to get help.

00:18:01.020 But he also said that he started to get help around 2017 for his PTSD when he was explaining

00:18:06.440 the Reddit posts.

00:18:07.460 And part of his explanation for that was he, you can see in his own Reddit posts, he says,

00:18:12.360 they become calmer, less angry, less irrational.

00:18:15.760 So that was 2017.

00:18:17.060 And we're talking about the early 2020s here.

00:18:20.500 So I'm a bit curious because this is a weird comparison.

00:18:23.400 It reminds me a little bit, a little bit, it's not apples to apples, but a little bit

00:18:27.020 of John Fetterman, in that John Fetterman may have a lot of the positions that people agree

00:18:32.880 with in Pennsylvania, or may not. I mean, a lot of progressives loved John Fetterman when he was

00:18:36.480 running for Senate, and they thought, the same people who like Plattner now, really liked John

00:18:40.300 Fetterman. And we're trying to say it doesn't matter what he's gone through with his stroke,

00:18:45.340 he's fine, he's okay. And I think a lesson of Fetterman, actually, is that you used the term

00:18:50.460 emotional regulation earlier, Megan, and I think there are some people who are now going to look

00:18:54.480 at this and think that's a serious question when it comes to Plattner. To be honest, I think a lot

00:18:59.080 of people are in the kind of Paxton camp where they're like, I gave up on politicians being

00:19:04.560 decent human beings 10 years ago because I've become so cynical. It's no longer the case. And

00:19:09.640 I think a lot of people are probably still willing to vote for Graham Plattner. But there is a

00:19:12.980 question of like, are you able to even do the job if you were still suffering from PTSD at that level

00:19:20.860 where it would be affecting your marriage significantly with infidelity. So that does

00:19:25.640 raise a question. I have to say, I mean, I wouldn't vote for Graham Plattner if I were in Maine. I'd

00:19:31.280 be voting for Susan Collins. But if I were inclined to vote for him, I don't think his

00:19:37.200 sexting scandal would stop me. I have to be honest. I don't think it would. I don't think

00:19:41.320 it's great, but it doesn't necessarily tell me he's a bad man. It tells me he married the wrong

00:19:47.040 person and is making bad decisions around it. Again, I'm not saying it's ethical. I certainly

00:19:52.080 don't want it to happen to me. But I'm just saying, would it stop me from voting for him?

00:19:57.340 No, it wouldn't. Like, same way. Trump's got some history there, too. It didn't stop me from voting

00:20:00.860 for him either. In 2026 America, I think we're getting really honest about the fact that a lot

00:20:06.460 of people make bad decisions in their marriage or their relationships. And if we make that the

00:20:10.320 stakes of whether we elect them or not, we're not going to have that many left from the look of it.

00:20:14.060 But whatever, it's still kind of interesting

00:20:16.960 because it does speak to sort of a wider narrative

00:20:20.660 in the guy's life, which is he's got some real issues.

00:20:24.380 Now, I'm all for therapy.

00:20:27.040 I've said that before.

00:20:27.960 I know therapy's no longer in vogue,

00:20:29.660 but I have a great therapist now

00:20:31.220 who's more like a life coach.

00:20:32.240 He doesn't tolerate nonsense.

00:20:34.200 He doesn't let me wax poetic about anything bothering me.

00:20:37.100 He just like redirects me and gives me useful tools

00:20:40.520 for dealing with problems.

00:20:42.700 And I love that.

00:20:44.280 And I recommend that to anybody.

00:20:45.840 Rumination about your problems and blaming it all on your mom or your dad or whatever.

00:20:49.640 That's bad, I think.

00:20:51.040 That's the bad therapy.

00:20:52.420 But so you're telling me that she's now saying he's in therapy and she's in therapy and they're in marriage therapy and they make mental health a part of every day.

00:21:08.380 and we are supposed to believe that he can handle the demands of the U.S. Senate just fine?

00:21:15.140 Like, when's he going to go to the Senate between all of his therapy sessions and his mental health

00:21:20.040 work? I'm dead serious. Like, all the numerous, you know, meetings he's going to have to have

00:21:25.840 and counseling sessions he's having, and what does he do? What does that mean, mental health

00:21:30.260 is part of your day? Well, how do you deal with that? Like, I'd love to have a follow-up on that

00:21:33.660 Because I would prefer we send somebody who is, it's fine to go through that journey, good on them for working on things.

00:21:40.100 Maybe the Senate run should come after that's complete, like closer to complete.

00:21:45.440 And I think actually this is an interesting question for some of the progressives who've been very disappointed by John Fetterman.

00:21:50.660 Because Fetterman gets into the Senate, and I think he checked himself in for depression, for like an inpatient care for depression for weeks.

00:21:58.780 And if you look at what happened to Fetterman, he has changed some of his positions on those issues that progressives cared most about. Like there's a certain kitchen table, progressive economic policies, those sorts of things. He's changed his disposition, his temperament.

00:22:13.660 So I think that is actually kind of an interesting comparison. It's that like when somebody is thrust into a job that is enormously stressful and high stakes and they're dealing with significant mental health problems that would go back to being in Ramadi in 2006, where Plattner was, along with a lot of other men who've served the country and have dealt with PTSD.

00:22:33.940 I think that's actually a kind of a fair question. I'm with you, Megan. I think at this point,

00:22:38.780 most people are so cynical. They've seen a million John Edwards come and go. It's like

00:22:42.840 clean cut guys that are supposed to be pastors, basically. And you find out it's not the case.

00:22:49.040 And people are desperate and cynical right now in America. It's very much a populist moment still.

00:22:53.860 And so they're willing to pull the lever for anybody who's going to throw a wrench into the

00:22:57.220 system or challenge the establishment or both. And I think a lot of people see that in Plattner.

00:23:02.160 I think he knows that. And I think that's why he's still drawing crowds. I was looking at local news reports in Maine from yesterday. He was still drawing crowds. He was doing campaign rallies with his wife and all of that. So I think that a lot of people are sort of past this. But at the same time, I do think progressives might be asking themselves a little bit of that question right now. They really like Graham Plattner.

00:23:22.400 unless they get that uh the main governor who bailed because she had no money back into this

00:23:29.880 race within the next week they have no alternative and and honestly what they really want on the

00:23:36.380 progressive side is to unseat susan collins and get a senate seat that they didn't have so

00:23:41.440 if if i were a democrat i'd say we're gonna have to dance with this guy no matter what his problems

00:23:46.580 are we're gonna have to downplay them and get him through tuesday and then you know try to fight

00:23:52.100 susan collins as being lame and not relevant and too old for me i mean that's what i do if i were

00:23:56.920 democrat um the campaign's response has been to point out in all these articles wall street

00:24:05.860 journal and new york times that the the sexts they uh they are from they were found earlier in their

00:24:14.700 marriage okay they got married in 2023 we're still early in their marriage who cares like

00:24:21.800 it was 2023 and in any event before the campaign was launched that they that they ended before the

00:24:30.160 campaign was launched who cares like this is like a made-up artificial date that's supposed to

00:24:37.780 tampen down or dampen down the the scandal like well he stopped doing it before he announced

00:24:43.660 who cares and also that was like that they're leaning on this that was also like a year and

00:24:49.920 a half ago. Like that was not that long ago at all. It's really recent history. Yeah.

00:24:56.340 Like this is the same party that's been trying to make Stormy Daniels a thing in our lives for

00:25:03.000 10 years. That wasn't recent. Like, what do you, what do you mean? How far do we go back in Trump's

00:25:09.020 history? We just had to spend two years talking about fucking E. Gene Carroll. It was 35 years 0.98

00:25:14.400 ago. Stop. What do you mean? Well, he stopped it before he announced for Senate. So I can't talk

00:25:22.240 about it? I don't think those are the rules. How many times was E. Jean Carroll on Rachel

00:25:25.540 Maddow? It's not true that everybody on the left has been obsessed with Ken Paxton and Trump's

00:25:30.940 scandals and Kristi Noem and all of that. But a lot of people have been and a lot of prominent

00:25:35.560 pundits in media who may now be very excited about Grant Plattner and who may now be defending

00:25:41.700 Grant Plattner are actually getting a look in the mirror a little bit or finding out what it's like

00:25:46.280 when the shoe is on the other foot because Republican voters, many of them, since the 0.98

00:25:49.740 primaries in 2016 were telling people we no longer care about this character bullshit no matter how 0.97

00:25:56.460 much others might disagree with it, no matter how much I might disagree with it. They've been saying 0.98

00:25:59.780 we don't care about it anymore because we don't believe that Jeb Bush is that much better of a man

00:26:04.700 as Donald Trump if he's going to, at the time, send people back into the Middle East or if he

00:26:09.360 is going to make my life that much harder. We don't necessarily believe that because he has

00:26:13.380 led this perfect personal life, he's going to be a more moral president. That goes back 10 years

00:26:19.380 for Republicans. You can go back to the Clinton administration and Lewinsky scandal and hear

00:26:23.900 Gloria Steinem and other feminists making that case, but it was thrown out the window in the

00:26:28.320 Trump era for a lot of prominent Democrats. And now they're finding out that Republican voters, 0.85

00:26:33.640 the sentiments of Republican voters who said, we don't care about this stuff anymore because we are

00:26:37.280 desperate after the Great Recession, after all of these failed wars in the Middle East. Now,

00:26:42.020 with the AI boom threatening to displace half of white-collar jobs, we just want somebody who is

00:26:47.140 going to metaphorically blow up the political establishment. And it's a lesser of two evils

00:26:52.440 voting process for a lot of voters out there now. And now the left is with Graham Plattner

00:26:58.080 experiencing a little bit of the Paxton case that Texas voters just reckoned with last week.

00:27:03.080 yes yes republicans gave up on this with trump they back in 16 this was a huge debate you had

00:27:09.400 all these republicans running as like true conservatives against trump saying like my god

00:27:14.180 look at his marital history you know like he's had multiple affairs which he's bragged about

00:27:18.700 in the new york tabloids it's like not a secret um and they didn't care and people tried to shame

00:27:25.280 the evangelicals into like how could you support him why wouldn't you be for ted cruz and they

00:27:29.820 loved Trump. They loved what he stood for. And it was a big deal to have Republicans who were

00:27:34.560 always like the, you know, the party of virtue say, we no longer care. We gotta be honest. We

00:27:42.160 don't actually care about that anymore. And that was the end of that. So it's like, it's going to

00:27:46.900 be tough for Republicans to make this sale too, right? That like Graham Plattner's marital issues

00:27:52.860 are, you know, make him beyond the pale. Like Republicans cannot make that point. This is

00:27:58.740 going to have to be a Democrat issue. But I do find lying interesting. And here is a whole bunch

00:28:03.860 of it. Listen, in my view, listen to Graham Plattner trying to respond to this and speaking

00:28:09.260 to the local ABC outlet in Portland. It's no surprise to me that the establishment media

00:28:15.940 outlets are just going to run gossip. Amy and I have a very loving and very happy marriage.

00:28:21.620 But of course, the powers that be do not want us to talk about that. And so they're going to just

00:28:26.220 do gossip instead.

00:28:27.320 But the stories are true, right?

00:28:29.040 About the texts?

00:28:30.140 No.

00:28:30.900 No.

00:28:31.220 This is the amazing part.

00:28:33.140 The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, ran stories without any evidence besides the

00:28:38.780 gossip from a former staffer.

00:28:40.820 I'm sorry.

00:28:41.320 That's, frankly, journalistic malpractice.

00:28:45.880 We pushed back on it.

00:28:47.280 They went and did it anyways.

00:28:49.120 So are you confirming that the messages did not exist?

00:28:53.840 What's that?

00:28:54.260 the messages they did not. I'm confirming that what Genevieve McDonald said in the New York

00:28:59.420 Times is not true. So you never met with her about uncomfortable, for lack of a better word,

00:29:05.700 sexting messages as the campaign was going? We talked about things in Amy and I's marriage that

00:29:10.960 we've gone through over the years. We talked about that because that's our marriage and we

00:29:15.780 discussed it with the campaign. What Genevieve McDonald claims isn't true. Okay. Everything he

00:29:22.740 said is a lie. It's an obvious lie. It's a dodge. Graham, not it. That was a fail, an utter fail.

00:29:29.800 We're not dumb. We're not stupid. I'm starting to think you might be, though, sir. Okay. Tries 0.99

00:29:36.600 to blame the establishment media as reporting gossip. They got it indirectly from your wife. 0.99

00:29:45.160 Your wife is your outer. Sorry. She's the one who outed you. That's why we believe it. 0.97

00:29:51.100 And the person who repeated what your wife told them was at the time she received the information, your campaign manager, someone who at that time at least was loyal to you. By the way, that's another thing that's on you. You apparently chose somebody who's not loyal. And that also is on you as a leader.

00:30:07.580 Okay, then he says, then they say, so it's not true? What they reported is not true? No. The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times ran stories without evidence besides what they heard from someone, whoever he said.

00:30:26.020 But so they ran without evidence.

00:30:29.040 Evidence is a first-person testimonial or a second-person testimonial if received from a reliable source.

00:30:37.220 And that's what they ran.

00:30:37.960 That is evidence.

00:30:38.820 And he knows damn well that's true.

00:30:40.540 And they both know that Amy's the source. 0.96

00:30:43.300 The wife is the source.

00:30:44.100 Then he says, a reporter, good for her, says, are you saying the messages do not exist?

00:30:50.120 And now our audience knows.

00:30:52.440 We don't hear yes.

00:30:54.180 We don't hear no.

00:30:56.020 We hear a dodge.

00:30:57.800 What I'm saying is that what Genevieve McDonald said is not true.

00:31:04.820 Well, I mean, any amateur lie detector can drive a truck through the loopholes in that non-denial denial.

00:31:12.320 Genevieve used the word 12 when, in fact, there were only six. 0.99

00:31:16.140 Or I wouldn't describe baby you're hot and I want you as a sext. 0.97

00:31:20.360 I think a sext has to have explicit language in it about your unit or hers, right? 0.52

00:31:26.440 Like, whatever.

00:31:27.420 That's such a joke of a joke.

00:31:28.680 He's got to get better at lying if he's going to be a politician.

00:31:32.400 Then you never met with her regarding sexting.

00:31:40.680 And once again, we talked about the state of Amy and I's marriage.

00:31:47.220 I mean, the English needs some work.

00:31:50.360 Um, we talked about it. Yeah. So that's eventually he gets to what's effectively an admission.

00:31:56.660 I mean, again, here are the two options. You should either just say, I'm not going to answer

00:32:02.560 questions about this. Amy and I did go through something at the beginning of my marriage.

00:32:06.900 We worked it out and we continue to work it out. We're both happily married. And beyond that,

00:32:10.420 it's none of your business. I think most people would accept that. They'd be like,

00:32:13.980 you're right. It actually isn't any of my business, but this, this bullshit is just 1.00

00:32:19.560 going to keep the story alive because Republicans who may not be feeling all that judgy things to 0.95

00:32:24.100 Trump have no problem amplifying a scandal on the left when it comes to one of the main Senate seats

00:32:32.080 the GOP needs to defend. And he just gave them so much fodder. He gave them so much fertilizer

00:32:39.200 on those seeds, Emily, which was a massive neophyte error on his part. And I wouldn't doubt

00:32:45.040 that there's more to come. It's very early in this race. I mean, it's not even past this technical

00:32:49.820 primary, but I would bet there'll be more to come for Plattner. And that's where I've been

00:32:54.280 fascinated by this campaign since he launched, because it seems to me like he was trying to do

00:32:58.080 a sort of post-Trump campaign where he understood, or his consultants also understood, the value of

00:33:05.820 authenticity, even if sometimes it's like performative authenticity, but the value of just

00:33:10.200 like getting out there and owning your Reddit posts and being like, hey, I just got here. I'd

00:33:15.220 seen a lot of stuff. I was struggling. I wasn't doing well. Yes, I called myself a communist and

00:33:19.360 a socialist, but I'm not now. And that's where this would have been an opportunity for him

00:33:26.480 to just go in front of the cameras. And instead of denying anything or doing these artful dodges

00:33:32.660 that weren't so artful as in last night, he could have just said, people don't care about the

00:33:38.140 mistakes I made in my marriage. They care that I am going to make their healthcare affordable.

00:33:42.120 They care that I'm going to take on the establishment on X, Y, and Z. I'm going to

00:33:45.780 stop these wars. I mean, like, that's what he could have done. He's tried to do a little bit

00:33:49.380 of both, as has his wife, who said, I'm very upset that we're talking about this and not the issues.

00:33:54.560 But he could have just leaned into it and been like, I'm not even going to talk about it,

00:33:57.440 like you said, Megan. And that would have been probably a way better, like, we saw this with

00:34:01.760 Tallarico last week. Tallarico tried to do his cleanup tour, and you covered it, where he came

00:34:05.640 out and said, of course, I believe that there are only two sexes. He's on tape saying there are six 0.75

00:34:10.680 sexes, at least six sexes. You can't do that if you're running these new campaigns, because the 0.95

00:34:15.680 one thing people want to know is that you believe what you're saying that you believe. Like, that's

00:34:21.460 the biggest problem for Plattner right now. He needs to come across as at least being honest,

00:34:26.480 because once you lose that, they might not trust that you actually are going to make healthcare

00:34:30.560 cheaper, that you actually are going to vote against wars. Like, that's how low institutional

00:34:34.600 trust is, you have to meet the moment. I mean, there's a difference, too, in my mind, between,

00:34:40.380 for example, what that disgusting Republican in Texas did, Congressman, where he was cheating 0.93

00:34:46.180 with a staffer who worked for him, demanding nudes from her. And this woman's life blew up 1.00

00:34:55.340 as a result of this affair to the point where she wound up setting herself on fire, taking her own 1.00

00:35:01.140 life and this congressman took no responsibility, that's a filthy pig. And he was basically forced 1.00

00:35:06.680 to say he's going to resign. Only after Swalwell fell apart, however, you know, and Swalwell's

00:35:13.240 behavior, that's different than just being like, whatever this is, you're sexting behind the back

00:35:18.380 of your wife. Again, for the record, not an endorsement. Don't want it to happen. Just saying,

00:35:23.940 you know, each of these things has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. But the way not to handle

00:35:29.620 it is to just lie to the public and pretend it's the media's fault. That's not what this is.

00:35:33.960 Sorry, you're going to have to deal with it. Now, potentially more despicable than any of those

00:35:40.040 items we just listed is child exploitation. Don't know whether Graham Plattner's ever done that at

00:35:47.600 all. Needs to be investigated. That actually we do need to know about. I don't know how you get

00:35:53.380 on Kik and figure out exactly what interactions Graham Plattner had, but why is a 32-year-old

00:35:59.640 man on there, a website that is known for sexually exploiting minors? Here's the Daily

00:36:06.540 Wire's reporting on it. It's called A Predator's Paradise. It was created in June of 2016,

00:36:14.260 his particular Kik profile. Here's his picture. Look at this. It's disgusting. It's his weirdly

00:36:20.740 stout kind of fat body wearing a white towel covering just below the navel. Obviously he 0.95

00:36:27.380 thinks this looks hot and enticing. I can see the damn toilet. So apparently he thinks he should 1.00

00:36:32.920 show off the shitter and that's going to entice some lady. Um, you can see all of his tats. So 0.99

00:36:38.500 you know, it's him and he cut off his head. So he wants you to see his not hot chest. Sorry,

00:36:45.060 Graham and his toilet. Like this is all so gross. It's just gross. So he posts this on there. He

00:36:53.180 joined in June of 2016. Again, he was almost 32 when he joined. 70% of users on Kik reports the

00:37:01.640 Daily Wire are between the ages of 13 and 24. That's, that's a lot younger. You're, you are

00:37:10.160 walking into a potentially much younger dynamic there. A Forbes investigation found that Kik had

00:37:17.620 a, quote, huge child exploitation problem. The BBC found that the app was at the center of over

00:37:24.420 1,100 child sexual abuse cases in the UK between 2013 and 2018, just around the time he was

00:37:32.460 joining. It has been described as having, quote, the app, it is being, quote, the app with the most

00:37:40.120 severe sexual content. It offers sexually explicit live chats with women. And it's often found at the

00:37:49.620 center of sexploitation cases where the predators coax someone into sending nude photos and then

00:37:54.300 use the images for blackmail, reported the New York Times in 2016. In 2025, a main man was

00:38:03.300 sentenced to 30 to 60 years in prison for producing videos, forgive me, this is disturbing, of children

00:38:10.460 being raped and distributing the videos in a kick chat room. On top of this, among his past Reddit

00:38:19.820 posts that have become controversial. There was one in 2017 in which he said he had to jerk off 0.95

00:38:24.860 every time I sit in a quote, port-a-shitter. That whole thing is a quote. Nice. I mean, 0.98

00:38:30.160 first of all, who does that? And second of all, who posts that? It's just, and I don't want to

00:38:34.820 hear PTSD, frankly. I really don't. I know a lot of vets. I know so many vets and I've interviewed

00:38:39.520 countless vets and they're not, you know, it doesn't make you perverted. That's not a thing

00:38:44.260 where you become just a pervert. You're jerking off every time you're in a port-a-potty and you're 1.00

00:38:48.440 on inappropriate websites where children like to go? What the F is that? Don't shame your fellow 1.00

00:38:53.520 veterans by trying to chalk that up to PTSD. And here's another one where he described graffiti of

00:38:59.700 a penis as, quote, beautiful and then, quote, engorged and veiny and moving, quote, towards 0.99

00:39:06.320 its penetrative glory. I'm sorry, there's something off with this guy. This is the stuff 1.00

00:39:12.960 that would stop me if I were a Democrat who really wanted control the Senate. I'd say no,

00:39:18.120 It's a no. I do have some standards. He's disgusting. I'm deeply disturbed. And I know

00:39:22.680 I need to know exactly how far he's gone online, when and with whom.

00:39:28.100 The kick stuff is where I have no idea what kick is by that description. It seems like a place that

00:39:34.460 has a reputation for being just overtly not even just with children, but like very, very sexual.

00:39:40.640 So was there overlap between his relationship with his now wife and his time on kick? My

00:39:47.080 understanding is that the campaign has said that this was his uh kick profile and he also uh just

00:39:53.060 hasn't he deleted the app from his phone long ago it hasn't been active in a really long time so

00:39:57.680 there's of course a question about that timeline uh and why he seems to have been spending so much

00:40:03.180 time on the internet even just like talking about sexual stuff i mean he talked about everything

00:40:08.660 talked about politics talked about drugs he talked about uh all kinds of weird stuff on reddit over

00:40:14.080 the years. So I just, he was clearly spending a lot of time online. And I think one of the

00:40:19.040 questions, Megan, is did in 2017, when he says he started getting help from the VA, did that

00:40:25.340 really, like, is he, like, let's just say, like, I think a lot of people have enormous amount of

00:40:29.780 grace for people who served for combat tours. But is he better? Honestly, is he well enough to be

00:40:36.640 in the Senate? Is this, would he still be if he weren't running for Senate? Would he be spending

00:40:42.100 time posting now, cheating on his wife now. Like, I don't know. It's a bad pattern and it's not that

00:40:47.960 far in the past. I do think a lot of voters are just going to say, screw it because they want to

00:40:52.720 get Susan Collins out of there. But at the same time, probably other people, you can just not vote

00:40:56.960 also. Like for some people, they may just say, all right, I'm out. I don't have a clear dog in

00:41:00.340 this fight because I don't know that he's great. And I also don't want to vote for that. So you

00:41:07.280 could see that going different ways, especially if there's more to come between now and November.

00:41:10.680 Well, if you're a Democrat in Maine or nationwide, especially if you're in leadership, don't you want to get to the bottom of this before next Tuesday?

00:41:20.940 I mean, what what if there really is something on there that's absolutely devastating that would make everyone run away from him?

00:41:28.780 Don't forget, on the other side of him is not Ken Paxton.

00:41:31.760 On the other side of him is going to be Susan Collins, who's totally palatable for most Mainers.

00:41:36.740 That's why they've they've reelected her term after term after term. 0.97

00:41:40.140 Like she's not so far right that she's totally alienating to people who are liberal in Maine, 0.87

00:41:45.420 obviously. So like if there is another shoe to drop here, I would imagine if you're on Team

00:41:50.940 Blue, you want it to drop right now when you could potentially get that Maine governor back

00:41:56.440 in this race. And she's going to be on the ballot because she dropped out so late anyway, 1.00

00:42:00.200 and maybe tried to drive the vote to her. I wonder if that's actually why this went into

00:42:03.820 the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times when it did, Megan, because the Janet Mills people

00:42:07.980 And Janet Mills, by the way, had the support of Chuck Schumer, had lots of money coming in and endorsements from prominent national Democrats, which after she dropped out, I mean, they thought for sure the Nazi stuff would would cook Plattner, but he got the tattoo covered up and he said, didn't know.

00:42:21.380 They never get tired of that trick. 0.66

00:42:23.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:24.140 And they thought it was going to work. 0.97

00:42:25.540 They thought it was going to be smooth sailing for Janet Mills, who is a terrible candidate, by the way. 1.00

00:42:29.540 Yes, she's the sitting governor, but she is just a terrible candidate for the position. 1.00

00:42:33.960 Susan Collins is no good either. 1.00

00:42:35.740 She keeps winning. 1.00

00:42:36.380 But Susan Collins is a great retail politician. Like that woman is at every opening. Like she is all over the state. She's brought a lot of money back to the state by being in the Senate over the years. And she can talk to she knows everybody in the state from the sort of main political folks that I know. She's just excellent. That's why she's been able to last so long, because she she travels the whole state, talks to everyone. So that could be a real problem for Plattner, too. 1.00

00:43:01.860 There's just a lot of built-in goodwill for Susan Collins around the state of Maine. 1.00

00:43:06.600 That's why they thought they had Sarah Gideon. 0.57

00:43:08.580 Last time they tried to get rid of Susan Collins, they thought they had it.

00:43:11.020 They put so much money in this race.

00:43:12.380 They thought they had a great candidate.

00:43:14.140 Fell flat.

00:43:14.700 Didn't work.

00:43:15.540 Polls were wrong, too.

00:43:16.620 So it's a tough race.

00:43:18.740 You're right.

00:43:19.120 It's not like Ken Paxton on the other side of it.

00:43:21.760 And I think that does kind of change the dynamic a bit.

00:43:24.320 But maybe that's why this was dropping to the Times and the Wall Street Journal is that 0.75

00:43:27.780 the source, I think Genevieve McDonald, the former campaign manager, 0.90

00:43:30.960 was getting pressure, maybe pressure from herself too, to try and spoil the primary at the last 1.00

00:43:37.260 minute and get Mills back into the race. I don't think Mills gives them a better chance of beating

00:43:41.060 Susan Collins no matter what is to come on Graham Plattner, assuming it's not like horrible child

00:43:46.380 abuse. But other than that, I think he's still probably a better candidate. We'll see what

00:43:51.180 happens though, because I guess she could. She's on the ballot. Even if it's not horrible child

00:43:57.640 abuse. Obviously that would do anybody in, but if he had any sort of meaningful interaction with

00:44:03.380 somebody who was underage, he's toast. He's toast. And I do wonder whether there's something 0.74

00:44:09.660 that somebody knows that's being withheld. I don't know, but like a lot of this stuff is traceable

00:44:15.280 on these social media websites. We'll find out. He said, um, he was asked, he got the Lulu Garcia

00:44:21.660 Navarro treatment at the New York times. Well, I'll just play it. Um, this is two weeks ago, 0.61

00:44:26.660 It's not three.

00:44:28.000 But the GOP is gonna dig up everything,

00:44:31.640 and more that they can.

00:44:33.200 Yeah. And probably lie at some point.

00:44:37.000 Is there something new you want to get ahead of?

00:44:38.980 No. I mean, like, we've, I've been,

00:44:41.540 I've lived my life.

00:44:43.780 Like, I've been there for the whole thing.

00:44:45.520 And it's, and because of that, like, I,

00:44:49.720 I mean, I know what I've been through.

00:44:52.420 I know what I've, I know what my behavior has been.

00:44:54.960 I know all of it.

00:44:55.660 And the I mean, there's a reason that even after however many months that was October when they dropped the opposition research stuff on us and the whole time there was always just like, oh, there's more coming.

00:45:08.520 I was like, I don't know, like what this more is going to be.

00:45:11.160 So those are more lies, because when he said that, he knew that he had been sexting with six, 12, a baker's dozen, I don't know, number of women, not his wife, with sexually explicit messages.

00:45:27.860 He knew, so he was lying there.

00:45:30.800 And for what it's worth, though, he's saying nothing is coming.

00:45:35.880 That turned out not to be true, because we have this scandal.

00:45:38.580 Let's see whether there's something more.

00:45:41.800 Like to think that if he were communicating in any way with somebody underage, again,

00:45:46.440 zero evidence of that, just his presence on Kik, which could have been just about women

00:45:49.760 and explicit chats.

00:45:50.780 I don't know that he wouldn't have said something so explicit.

00:45:54.180 I do want to point out, though, that his campaign threatened this Genevieve McDonald in a pretty

00:46:03.220 offensive way.

00:46:04.700 This guy, Morris Katz, who was with Mom Donnie, who's now a Plattner campaign strategist. 0.96

00:46:11.280 He first he's tweeted out, it's no one's fucking business what happened in Graham and Amy's 0.94

00:46:16.260 marriage before he was ever a candidate for office. 0.97

00:46:18.660 Again, before he was a candidate for office.

00:46:20.840 This is the new Democrat standard.

00:46:23.020 Oh, what?

00:46:24.100 Like, does it have to be during the candidacy?

00:46:26.760 Is that now what limits the scandal?

00:46:29.720 They have to be doing it while they're actually running?

00:46:32.840 I don't think so.

00:46:33.460 But this guy is the one who allegedly threatened Genevieve, the former campaign manager.

00:46:39.240 And she said that he wrote a message to her as follows.

00:46:45.500 Just want to be clear before these stories broke and where we are right now.

00:46:49.340 If the story goes in its current iteration, this is for the Wall Street Journal piece, which was first.

00:46:54.200 We'll communicate directly on the record and by name that Genevieve violated the personal trust of Amy and Graham and shared explicit falsehoods to sabotage the campaign.

00:47:06.820 She said in her post, that's when I called the New York Times and offered to go on the record.

00:47:12.940 So that backfired mightily.

00:47:15.440 And now we're reduced to these two calling it gossip and her saying, I don't want a perfect marriage.

00:47:21.500 I want my marriage. 0.59

00:47:22.640 Well, pardon the rest of us if we want nothing to do with your marriage. That's the last thing I want for my marriage. And I don't think it's exactly an example. You know, barely married and sexting six to 12 others. And then everyone's in therapy for God knows how long. It's not great.

00:47:38.100 Okay, moving on.

00:47:40.580 The other big races, so that race is going to be, well, the Democrat primary comes up a week from tomorrow in Maine.

00:47:47.720 But tomorrow is the big California vote at the gubernatorial level and at the mayoral level.

00:47:55.000 That's also got a lot of interesting stuff going on.

00:48:00.020 Steve Hilton, who's been in the lead oftentimes by a lot.

00:48:05.280 Then it started to narrow. And now he's lost the lead. Becerra is ahead by a couple of points. It's not a huge advance, but he's ahead now by a couple of points. And in two is the vile, loathsome Tom Steyer, only one point ahead of Steve Hilton.

00:48:25.600 But Steve Hilton, now we reported this on AM Update, is now begging Republicans in California to not split the GOP vote because Chad Bianco is now in, I think, fifth or sixth.

00:48:35.700 He's like, please, with no offense to Chad, you've got to vote for me because we can't we could now be looking at those two Democrats in the runoff with no Republican choice.

00:48:47.100 Your thoughts?

00:48:47.880 I mean, they're on the cusp of something very exciting in California, and it will be disillusioning if he doesn't cross into the runoff tomorrow, because, again, there's so many people in California, Democrats, independents, who just want something that is not from the left right now in California.

00:49:08.240 Because even the anti-establishment left has run cities like Los Angeles into the ground. Karen Bass, not considered to be the most establishment Hillary Clinton type politician. They've seen this over and over again throughout their state. Gavin Newsom tries to act like he's Mr. Progressive.

00:49:25.800 Well, look at the record in California for Gavin Newsom. And so there's just so many people who are tired of it. They want something new. It's kind of like what we've been talking about the whole show. They're desperate. They might be Democrats who don't like that Spencer Pratt maybe is, you know, whatever he thinks about abortion, right? They might think it's MAGA. Or with Steve Hilton, they might think he's MAGA, although I think he's handled those questions pretty well.

00:49:47.440 But at this point, they're willing to try something different. And it is going to be disillusioning if Steyer, of all people, billionaire Tom Steyer, is the one who snatches it away from Steve Hilton at the last moment.

00:50:01.100 Oh, it's so gross on every level.

00:50:04.780 I have a lot more to say on Steyer, and we are doing our deep dive into Jon Hamm.

00:50:10.160 But we've got to talk about both of these, the mayoral race out there and the gubernatorial race,

00:50:14.860 because the People's Republic of California has suffered enough. 0.97

00:50:18.360 I cannot believe that the woman who allowed their city to burn is currently in the top position for Los Angeles mayor reelection.

00:50:29.140 I cannot believe it. 0.97

00:50:30.080 Stand by. EJ stays with us for the show. Right back.

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00:51:46.140 Happy Monday again.

00:51:47.480 I can't believe it's finally here,

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00:52:19.600 So, E.J., the California race involves—now, separating here, we were on gubernatorial, so we'll stay there for a minute before we just talk about how Karen Bass burned their city down and they're still going to re-elect her.

00:52:34.260 At the gubernatorial level, Tom Steyer's now making a run, and unfortunately, he's got momentum.

00:52:39.640 You know, he's kind of like peaking right when you want to peak, like days before this primary.

00:52:44.660 And what is he doing? What is it that's capturing the hearts and minds of Californians? It's his nonsense, I think, reach out on the trans people in sports issue. Amazingly, this is where the 15 percent of Americans who support that nonsense live.

00:53:02.900 You know, it truly is between an 80 and 90 percent support issue to keep boys out of girls sports in America.

00:53:10.360 But it is at least an 82 percent who don't want it.

00:53:14.600 At least 82 percent have said that they don't want it in poll after poll.

00:53:17.520 So where are those, what, call it 18 percent of the Americans?

00:53:20.640 They must be in California.

00:53:22.200 I mean, quite clearly they are because it seems to be helping him, which must be why he's doing it.

00:53:27.140 So he takes time out.

00:53:28.300 In the story in the news all last week was this A.B. Hernandez, who we've been following for quite some time here on the MK Show, who is a boy pretending to be a girl in track and field who has stolen medal after medal of the girls he's competing against, who has broken record after record.

00:53:44.240 It's easy when you're a boy in the girls sports. And now it's been the state championship where he again broke records and stole girls medals. And these girls are forced to subject themselves to the indignity of sharing the top riser with him. This one girl next to him.

00:54:01.160 I mean, honestly, it's like you'd think this would do it because the girl who seems to have actually won in most of these meets is a beautiful young black girl who is forced to share her award with this white male. 0.98

00:54:13.200 Hello, Democrats, we're supposed to hate them. 0.94

00:54:16.440 This is a white male stealing the bragging and other rights belonging to a black female American. 1.00

00:54:23.480 Where are you? 0.99

00:54:24.740 Where are you? 0.99

00:54:26.200 They don't give a shit because he's pretending to be a girl, which ranks him higher than actual girls, even actual girls of color. 0.99

00:54:33.520 I don't understand the leftist philosophy. 0.99

00:54:35.440 I'm just repeating what it is.

00:54:37.960 So enter Tom Steyer to try to make a hero out of this boy, A.B. Hernandez, and his mother.

00:54:45.520 Here's the soundbite.

00:54:46.920 You guys were talking about me and the support that I had, despite all the social media drama.

00:54:51.240 so I thought I found it pretty interesting that you you're set on just

00:54:56.400 us basically a set choice on where you stand with trans athletes I am it was

00:55:02.240 nice to just have a straight decision on who you support most people support you

00:55:06.480 90% at the time just not the 10% you need them for if we're gonna be on side

00:55:11.100 then we're on side 100% at the time I've been outed like so many times over and

00:55:16.080 over you know docs where i go to school so i feel like more safety aspect and not just supporting

00:55:22.980 but protecting protection i totally agree i was saying in this um town hall it's the job of the

00:55:30.040 governor to stand between danger and californians and i mean it and to make sure that people are

00:55:35.760 safe and to protect them from all the malign influences in this world and i take that super

00:55:41.440 super, super, super seriously for you. Just so you know. And I'm so proud of you for what you're

00:55:46.380 doing. Thank you. So proud of you for succeeding. So proud of you for competing. That's really the

00:55:52.780 point. And I'm going to hope like heck that you don't just make state, but you do really well

00:55:58.200 there. Okay. So it's his job to put himself between danger and Californians. What about the

00:56:05.800 what about the little girls? What about the danger? Why isn't he standing between that danger

00:56:11.620 and the little girls of California? Don't they count? Don't they matter, Tom Steyer?

00:56:16.560 Do you give two shits about the girls who are actually being hurt? Honestly, again, 0.97

00:56:21.680 track and field is not one of those sports because they don't actually have to be

00:56:24.940 touching one another. They run, they jump, they jump high, they jump long.

00:56:30.880 But girls in field hockey, in soccer, in volleyball, in basketball are being hurt on the regular and he doesn't care.

00:56:41.680 He's not he's not willing to put himself through between that danger and those experiencing it.

00:56:47.240 In fact, he's willing to help cause it. Shame on this guy.

00:56:50.320 And then, Emily, he says the job of the governor is to protect against all of the malign influences in the world.

00:56:59.280 No, it isn't. What are you saying? I don't want my elected official to think that's his job.

00:57:06.800 There are certain identifiable dangers that an elected politician, depending on the office,

00:57:11.320 is responsible for, i.e. the border. If you are president, that's real. OK. And President Trump

00:57:19.120 actually did issue some executive orders to protect young girls from this danger caused by

00:57:25.660 athletes like A.B. Hernandez. That's appropriate. But what who wants to elect a politician who

00:57:31.640 thinks it's his it's his remit to protect all Californians against all of the malign influences

00:57:40.420 in the world? That is such a Democrat way of thinking. Everything is government's problem.

00:57:46.680 Everything is in government's hands. And that's why you have to be taxed up to your eyeballs

00:57:52.220 and give it all to the Tom Styers of the world,

00:57:55.240 including the billionaires who have not given enough,

00:57:57.240 even though they've spent more on taxes

00:57:59.020 than the rest of us combined.

00:58:00.640 They need to spend more.

00:58:02.160 They have to give it to Tom Styer

00:58:03.880 because he's busy protecting us

00:58:05.600 from the most malign influences in the world all the time.

00:58:08.940 All of this is just to tell

00:58:10.700 that we are dealing with a radically left man.

00:58:14.940 Yeah, he wants to be your daddy as governor of California,

00:58:17.360 but this is the tragedy of California.

00:58:19.380 It's the state that used to be the frontier,

00:58:21.320 the American frontier, where people could self-actualize and go and have an amazing

00:58:26.940 middle-class life. The beginning of LA Confidential makes me so sad. Like, this is a very weird

00:58:31.700 reference, but if you're watching the beginning of the film, there's all of these, like, reels

00:58:34.880 of how California used to be depicted in the mid-century period. And it makes me so sad to

00:58:40.260 look at what California was, what it symbolized to the country. And now it actually is full of

00:58:45.460 a lot of people, I think, Megan, your point is correct, who are attracted to what Tom Steyer

00:58:49.820 is saying, because we saw what happened during COVID in California. There were people who wanted

00:58:54.040 the governor to be their daddy, who wanted their local mayors to be their daddy. Like, they wanted

00:58:58.180 security over freedom. And that is so the opposite of what California used to symbolize in the United

00:59:03.620 States, what it meant culturally to us, how it was politically. It is the exact opposite. But I think

00:59:09.260 that's probably why, to some extent, this is working. Because, Megan, I don't know about you,

00:59:13.340 I think Tom Starr is one of the few Americans who believes what he's saying. Like, I think he

00:59:17.540 genuinely believes that these athletes should be able to compete with girls. And I think he is of

00:59:23.840 the minority. He's so far left and progressive on this question. He genuinely believes what he's

00:59:28.640 saying. And there's something when you're in a tight race that's being pulled in multiple

00:59:32.740 different directions with failed politicians like Javier Becerra, who lost so many migrant children

00:59:38.460 under the Biden administration, under his purview when he was serving in the Biden administration.

00:59:43.840 people look at the failed politicians in the race and they say, well, this Tom Steyer guy,

00:59:48.540 he shares my cultural beliefs. He's going to protect us, protect California from

00:59:53.060 the mean Republicans who want to do us harm. And I want somebody to come in and make me feel

00:59:59.200 safer in all of these different ways as governor that aren't typically seen as like government

01:00:05.380 duty, right? Like physically safer in certain cases. Like the baseline in California,

01:00:10.480 you should be physically safe walking down the streets of los angeles right like you should be 0.91

01:00:15.200 safe from like some of these fundamental duties of the government which is to keep mentally ill

01:00:20.560 people off the streets help them get treatment help them get treatment this is what steve hilton

01:00:25.080 and spencer pratt talk about protect them protect them from themselves protect other people from

01:00:30.160 where that is going to go but he wants to run the country or he wants to run the state in the

01:00:33.900 opposite direction uh and it's all just and it's it's oddly in the name of like personal freedom

01:00:39.220 It's this bastardization on the left, right? Like they don't want people to have the sort of basic freedoms like Second Amendment rights and the like. But then when it comes to the personal freedom to be on the street and camping in unsafe conditions for yourself, let alone others, that personal freedom they're good with. And it's the tragedy of California. I think you see it in one candidate here. I mean, in much of the candidates, but he's really crystallizing it.

01:01:05.320 You are so right.

01:01:06.500 I remember talking to Charlie Sheen and reading his book about the California he grew up in

01:01:10.620 when, you know, he was a kid in the 70s.

01:01:13.280 Martin Sheen was his dad and, of course, famous.

01:01:15.600 But he used to talk about exactly what you're describing and how it wasn't this like hard

01:01:19.520 leftist weird place.

01:01:20.660 It was just a beautiful, gorgeous, big desert with relatively mild temperatures that you

01:01:25.960 could raise your family on and not be bothered.

01:01:28.380 And it also reminds me of California and Governor Reagan, Governor Reagan, before he became

01:01:33.820 President Reagan in his famous, the scariest nine words in the English language, I'm from the

01:01:39.760 government and I'm here to help, right? That nobody ever wants to hear. And this is exactly

01:01:44.960 the opposite of that. Now this guy wants Ronald Reagan's job and God help us, it's possible he

01:01:51.380 could get it. At the mayoral level, they actually might elect the woman who let their city burn. 0.97

01:01:57.160 It's amazing. She fell down on the job so many ways. I mean, they're seriously thinking about 1.00

01:02:02.600 letting Gavin Newsom, like, get the Democratic nomination. I'm sure there are a lot of Californians

01:02:07.120 who would like it. Bill Maher's one of them. And letting Karen Bass stay in this office

01:02:14.380 after she burned down half their city. No, she didn't light the match, but she helped create 1.00

01:02:21.720 the conditions that created a tinderbox in the Pacific Palisades and beyond. And she's leading.

01:02:29.080 She's leading right now in the re-election battle, Emily.

01:02:32.540 And I mean, granted, the vote is split between her and Nithya Rahman, but Nithya Rahman's

01:02:36.280 purview on city council has been dealing with homelessness in Los Angeles, which is one

01:02:41.720 of the reasons that Spencer Pratt is surging.

01:02:43.780 And so when you're faced with these options, this is what happens in deep blue and deep

01:02:48.140 red states.

01:02:48.820 The party is so entrenched because there's so little competition that you end up with

01:02:53.300 like the worst possible candidates.

01:02:54.740 No great offense to Ken Paxton and John Cornyn, but I think you said something similar in Texas.

01:02:59.840 Like, it happens when you have one party that is really firmly in control of states.

01:03:03.440 It's so hard to veer away from this pattern of failure because all of the candidates are part of the pattern of failure.

01:03:10.700 And I think that might be working to Tom Steyer's advantage because even though he is a part of the left-wing establishment, just because he comes to the business community, I mean, that man has been intertwined with the NGO world and the Democratic Party now for many years.

01:03:22.560 But I think that's partially why he probably is surging. He doesn't represent like the Biden administration, like Javier Becerra, who you covered him coming into that local news interview with such a sense of entitlement. Oh, this is going to be a nice profile, right? That's how it is when you have these states that are so deeply in one party or the other. It's so hard to get out of the vicious cycle.

01:03:40.560 And that's why it's going to be very disillusioning if I think two of the best chances for not Republicans, but independents to just try and break the cycle, even if you don't agree with Pratt and Hilton on 100 percent of things like this is what scares California Democrats into being better is having a little bit of competition.

01:03:56.900 And it's not going to work if you have Karen Bass and then like Tom Steyer, Javier Becerra stepping into these roles.

01:04:03.420 It's not going to work.

01:04:04.140 Can you imagine if it's those two who advance if Steve Hilton doesn't even make the runoff for governor and you've got those two other losers vying for the top job?

01:04:16.300 And what if, you know, what if at the at the mayoral level, it's not Spencer Pratt? 0.58

01:04:21.520 What if these other what if Karen Bass gets over 50 percent?

01:04:23.960 I don't think so, unless Nithya Raman drops out.

01:04:25.940 But you've got 60 plus percent of the vote ready to side with the Democrats.

01:04:31.160 As much as we'd like to believe that Spencer Pratt has momentum, you know, he's in a three way tie right now.

01:04:36.860 Like that sounds exciting for a Republican. That means two thirds are with the Democrats there.

01:04:41.860 Not to be a buzzkill. I'm just looking at the numbers. It's like it's Lucy with the football.

01:04:47.200 You know, it's like there are these people in L.A. actually going to vote for Spencer Pratt.

01:04:52.100 I mean, I hope so. I'd love for him to just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

01:04:54.980 But there's a reason California got into the mess it's in.

01:05:00.420 And it's because of very, very bad voting choices.

01:05:04.600 OK, keeping keeping going.

01:05:07.160 Dr. Jill, she's out there.

01:05:10.260 I love this woman.

01:05:11.720 I'm like, you go, girl.

01:05:12.920 You should have your say. 1.00

01:05:14.500 Blow it up. 0.97

01:05:15.620 Blow it. 1.00

01:05:16.180 Take the grenade and throw the shit right in the middle of that. 1.00

01:05:19.080 Why should we over on Team Sanity have all the problems? 1.00

01:05:22.000 We got enough issues of our own.

01:05:23.480 By the way, the Iran deal has completely fallen apart. The ceasefire may be off. That's been blown to smithereens. Israel continued to bomb Lebanon. Qatar is involved. It's it's a fucking mess. And I don't think it's got any chance of ending soon, unfortunately.

01:05:38.580 And also Exxon just said gas prices are looking like they're going to go up to $150 to $160 per barrel in the coming weeks.

01:05:48.660 They're now in the 90s, so that's terrible.

01:05:52.340 This is a nightmare politically and otherwise.

01:05:55.620 We have our own problems over here on the right, center right, and independent right, as I am.

01:06:01.900 So I'm fine with Dr. Jill throwing a little hornet's nest over into our leftist friend's camp.

01:06:09.760 She has decided that now would be a great time to revive the debate over whether Joe Biden's mental health was perfect while he was running for for president.

01:06:19.300 And I am here for it. She's also not happy.

01:06:22.760 she's not being shown the respect she thinks she deserves on this book rollout, which it's

01:06:28.680 supposed to be about her, her and not just Joe Biden. Let me start with that one just because

01:06:34.180 it's fun. And if this is angry, Jill Biden, who's giving Gayle King vibes of I'm inspirational, 1.00

01:06:40.340 Craig Melvin, whether you know it or not, I'm an inspiration. Watch. And I think we have to point

01:06:46.240 out, Craig. Like, that's one chapter of my book. My book is not about politics. It's about me,

01:06:54.200 my reflections, my life, my life as a teacher, my life as the first working lady, you know,

01:07:01.920 first lady. I mean, I went to work. I taught at a community college. I took a paycheck.

01:07:08.220 I wanted to say to American women, look at me. I am like you are.

01:07:13.060 look at me i too can have a private car and drive me to the suburbs and teach

01:07:21.960 can you believe she said i mean that shows her panic because i'll show you the earlier questions

01:07:31.140 which are all about the nonsense in the chapter about joe biden and you know his mental deterioration

01:07:36.300 the debate and all that but like that's her in a panic like it's supposed to be about me she's

01:07:40.900 basically saying my booker and your booker agreed you were going to talk about me and what an

01:07:46.360 inspiration I am. Where's that, Craig? And he kept calling her Dr. Jill, this fake obsequiousness.

01:07:53.160 It wasn't even real obsequiousness. It was like he knew he had to do it, just like the price of

01:07:57.360 admission and having her sit there. It's so painful. And then here is some more on how it

01:08:03.360 when it came to her covers for Joe Biden on how well he allegedly did at the debate.

01:08:11.720 Remember, after the debate, she told us all like, oh, he was impressive.

01:08:15.300 He knew all of the answers.

01:08:16.520 But now she's saying she thought he was having a stroke.

01:08:17.180 He answered every question, Megan.

01:08:19.840 How dare you?

01:08:20.360 Such a good boy.

01:08:21.640 It's like my Strudwick.

01:08:23.100 When I say sit, he sits.

01:08:24.620 When I say shake, he shakes.

01:08:26.540 He's a good boy.

01:08:28.240 OK, here's SOT 14 to start with.

01:08:30.940 how do you square thinking that he may have had a stroke with what you were saying in the days and

01:08:36.800 weeks after how do you square well look craig look at it from my point of view so i'm watching

01:08:42.040 just like everybody else was scared to death like what is going on he gets off the stage i see

01:08:48.420 he appears to be okay he says to me jill i really in other words uh messed up didn't i and i said

01:08:57.300 yes you did and so we get off and i know we're going into another event or we have two more to

01:09:03.480 do and i'm my mind is racing what do i say to him what do i say to him i'm his wife i've got to lift

01:09:09.860 him up so we go to the next event and i'm thinking what do i say that will lift him up that is true

01:09:15.800 i want to say the things that are true and so i said you know you answered every question my

01:09:20.720 mind's racing you know that's a pretty low bar well and so i you know i had to sort of lift him 0.95

01:09:28.340 up i mean i'm his wife i'm not going to get out on the stage there and say joe you really screwed

01:09:33.980 that up i had to support him i couldn't come out and i mean really publicly say joe you did a

01:09:41.100 terrible job in that debate. That is so horrific. She bullied every member of the Democrat Party

01:09:51.720 who was even mildly critical of him on the mental health question both before and after the debate.

01:10:01.220 Look, all the news from then that day to this has been about how bitter Jill and Joe are that he was

01:10:10.200 forced out of the campaign after that, how the indignity of it, how unfair they thought it was.

01:10:16.240 And now she admits the whole reason she said you answered every question is because it was the only

01:10:22.800 true statement she could think of to say to him after what she recognized was a disaster.

01:10:29.420 The nerve of her to bully everyone and now admit she totally shared their viewpoint.

01:10:37.000 and the reason we saw her speaking to him 0.96

01:10:39.780 like he was a toddler

01:10:40.820 is because it was the only thing

01:10:42.960 she could think of to say

01:10:43.860 that was factually true. 1.00

01:10:46.640 This woman is in such an incredible bubble 1.00

01:10:49.220 and I think part of this

01:10:50.680 is that you have people like Joe Scarborough

01:10:52.560 meeting with Biden before the debate,

01:10:54.860 long before the debate actually,

01:10:56.080 coming back and saying,

01:10:57.020 this is the best Joe Biden that I've ever seen.

01:10:59.260 You had the media being successfully bullied

01:11:01.620 by the White House

01:11:02.800 into basically dropping the story

01:11:04.920 about whether or not Joe Biden

01:11:06.340 was like ailing and having serious cognitive decline in front of everyone's face. And Jill

01:11:11.260 Biden got used to that from the media. And I think she is a little bit taken aback by the questions

01:11:16.340 that she's getting on this, what was supposed to be clearly a very soft and warm PR tour for her

01:11:21.500 book. But of course, her book does deal with her role, though it's not, you know, a mission of any

01:11:26.280 guilt, but it deals with her role in what has to be considered one of the biggest scandals in

01:11:32.160 presidential history here in the United States, which is that you had a president who was

01:11:35.580 declining in front of everybody's eyes. You had the media barely willing to touch the story and

01:11:41.020 everyone around him denying it. And to me, when I look at Joe Biden, I just see such an example

01:11:45.580 of the people that Joe Biden has surrounded himself with over the course of his life.

01:11:49.460 His family, his son, Hunter, obviously, Jill, they were living, for most of Joe Biden's career,

01:11:57.400 pretty normal lives. Joe Biden didn't cash out, go into lobbying or anything like that. And I

01:12:02.120 think it made them deeply resentful of the way that they lived. Like, they want to be rich,

01:12:09.620 they want to be comfortable, and they've always had to have, like, Frank and Valerie and James

01:12:14.100 off stage, you know, coming up with money and lobbying, peddling the influence, Hunter, and

01:12:20.360 then putting it all back into the family in one way or the other, instead of just, like, being

01:12:24.560 able to live comfortably and sort of bask in the glow of Joe Biden's career and be wealthy. And I

01:12:29.720 think that's how desperate they are to be rich, is that she is now selling a book without any,

01:12:35.600 I mean, I think she has some knowledge that people have turned on the Biden family, have turned on

01:12:39.880 her, but I don't think she understood how deep it was. And she was still willing to go out there

01:12:44.440 and sell this book because she thought maybe it would be okay. Her husband is literally, I mean,

01:12:48.220 I'm sorry, but he's probably in the process of dying right now because he has stage four bone

01:12:52.540 cancer. That's what they tell us. And Hunter has said, Hunter went on Soft White Underbelly last

01:12:56.260 week and talked about the fact that it is very hard for his dad right now. He has trouble sleeping

01:12:59.820 and everything like that, which we would expect. And his wife's up in New York trying to sell this

01:13:05.320 book by saying that he, like, spilling inside details about when he had probably the most

01:13:13.360 embarrassing moment of his entire life. And he's willing to let it happen, apparently, because

01:13:18.700 he wants them to be okay when he's gone. He wants them to have money. And I think that's what this

01:13:23.500 about at the end of the day. Exactly. So she wouldn't pile on him the night of the debate,

01:13:27.920 but she's fine piling on him now that we know he has stage four bone cancer. Now would be a much

01:13:32.400 better time to hurt the husband. And here is, speaking of hurting the husband, listen to this.

01:13:37.940 I listened to the Today Show interview, and this was the part that struck me as the most galling,

01:13:43.580 more galling than, I'm a role model. People should respect me. This interview should be about me

01:13:48.740 because i'm a role model again giving gail king have you been vibes um more than that listen to

01:13:55.820 thought 14b if you could go back in a time machine and do it all over again would you have

01:14:01.740 encouraged him maybe to not run again you know as i look back would i want to put joe through the

01:14:09.440 hurt and the pain that we felt during that time never never god i mean it was so hurtful and um

01:14:18.040 So it sounds like you're saying if you could do it all over again, you probably would have encouraged him to to be a one term president.

01:14:23.760 But it had to be his decision, Craig.

01:14:27.140 The pain he went through. Honestly, like I'm not a Democrat.

01:14:32.740 I was never voting for Joe Biden. But if I were, I think I'd be feeling rage throughout my entire body.

01:14:39.440 The pain he went through as a result of him choosing to run again and then getting embarrassing himself on the national stage and getting forced out.

01:14:49.260 The Democrat Party is apoplectic right now over the fact that Donald Trump is president and they hate everything he's doing.

01:14:59.120 And it's because of Joe Biden.

01:15:01.360 I mean, there's no question those two things are intimately linked.

01:15:03.960 not only his implosion on the debate stage and the way he was, but of course, the lawfare, 0.97

01:15:09.320 all the shit that Joe Biden unleashed against Trump to make him a more sympathetic figure, 0.96

01:15:13.220 to make people a backlash against Joe Biden, to teach the Democrats a lesson about unfair lawfare. 0.99

01:15:18.040 And then on top of it, putting an infirm man out there and the media establishment, 0.60

01:15:21.660 the Democrat establishment, trying to tell me not to, all of us, not to believe our lying eyes.

01:15:26.380 Right. And now to say she feels sorry for Joe about what that did to him. And by the way,

01:15:33.780 she's the one who made him do it remember she was infamously at that dinner where she announced that

01:15:40.260 he's running again to the shock of his campaign aides who were there like what like she's i don't

01:15:46.680 she's as bad as he is she's as bad as hunter as much of a grifter she's all the things we suspected 0.96

01:15:52.860 she was when we saw her weekend at bernie's him into the second run and here she's inadvertently

01:15:59.140 confirming it all. I think she actually is significantly worse than her husband, because

01:16:04.800 I think we all now at this point understand that Joe Biden probably was not lucid enough to be

01:16:10.980 consciously making all of these decisions. I'm like, that's a really upsetting thing to say,

01:16:16.500 just as an American, that your president probably wasn't capable of making these decisions

01:16:21.480 independently. It was probably very reliant on what he was hearing from other people because

01:16:25.140 he was losing his grasp, his complete grasp on reality, which is something that we saw

01:16:29.980 every day in front of our own eyes, or at least the days that he was willing to go in front of

01:16:33.900 cameras. So if I were just, there was a really interesting conversation on Pod Save America,

01:16:38.680 the Obama guys who now podcast, they were talking about how it was so interesting. They were like,

01:16:43.640 people don't understand how the Biden cognitive decline scandal is affecting people's perceptions

01:16:51.100 of Democrats around the country. They were like, narrowly, are people going to go to the polls

01:16:55.280 and vote on whether or not somebody was covering up the Biden decline? No. But every single

01:17:01.380 Democratic candidate and many pundits who are supporting Democratic candidates now have to

01:17:05.980 climb themselves out of this deep hole, just in terms of people's general vibe about whether or

01:17:11.240 not they're trustworthy. And national Democrats seem to have no idea how much of that goes

01:17:16.400 directly back to them going on camera over and over again over the course of honestly five years

01:17:22.020 because they did the same thing during the primary with Joe Biden, saying he is fine,

01:17:26.260 which got worse and worse with every single year. And so they are infuriated. But you know who should

01:17:31.780 be mad is people like Janet Mills, who had to drop out of the main race because nobody trusts 1.00

01:17:36.040 the Democratic establishment anymore. It goes directly back to the trust deficit that a lot

01:17:41.380 of Democrats come just naturally to every single race right now. It's not always just Joe Biden.

01:17:46.800 It's also voting for terrible things, inflation and all of that. Yes. The border. Yes. But this

01:17:53.380 is such a big part of it, too. And they can't escape it right now in a midterm cycle when

01:17:58.000 Jill Biden decided to sell a damn book in the middle of a midterm cycle. Like, it's unbelievable. 0.99

01:18:03.240 It's amazing. The selfishness. Remember Dean Phillips who ran and tried to say he was like

01:18:08.980 this moderate, nice Democrat who was like, respectfully, I think Joe Biden's like not

01:18:14.600 in any condition to do a second term. They killed him. They absolutely crushed that guy.

01:18:20.660 Adam Smith, not to be confused with Adam Schiff. He's a Republican or a Democrat congressman from

01:18:26.640 from Washington state. He came on our show and he said the truth about Joe Biden's

01:18:31.420 mental infirmity. And he was never heard from again. Like I just saw him actually out there

01:18:36.980 giving an interview in response to this book, but he's certainly not a Democrat favorite.

01:18:41.040 Those Bidens ruined people, ruined people, and certainly at least tried, who had the temerity

01:18:47.140 to say anything about him. And now she wants us to feel sorry for Joe Biden for running again.

01:18:53.140 We don't. Fuck off. Wait, I want to show you one other thing. Yeah, you go. 1.00

01:18:57.640 Well, I was going to say, I'm glad that the PodSafe guys are saying what they're saying now

01:19:00.820 because it's just better for all of us to be honest about this. But at the same time,

01:19:04.200 And part of the reason people are now willing to turn on Biden, including the media and

01:19:07.980 the Bidens, is because the Bidens are now have no hope of getting back into any position

01:19:12.080 of power.

01:19:12.600 The family is powerless.

01:19:13.620 They can't peddle their influence because it means nothing.

01:19:16.180 And so the media has no reason to be nice to them, has no reason to be like going in

01:19:21.520 with kid gloves.

01:19:22.400 And that's what this all is about.

01:19:25.440 I don't know what she thought was going to happen.

01:19:27.380 I really don't.

01:19:28.220 She didn't think it through.

01:19:29.280 I mean, all that education to become an actual doctor.

01:19:34.200 she she didn't study what she needed to learn um here's one more so there's the person who

01:19:42.100 interviewed jill biden for cbs sunday mornings um is named rita braver and rita braver is the one

01:19:50.760 who was responsible for the the original clip where she was like i thought he was having a stroke

01:19:55.500 that made the rounds last Friday

01:19:58.080 and did not ask any follow-ups.

01:20:02.120 Like, how can you say that?

01:20:04.600 You ran around shaming people

01:20:06.660 for criticizing him after the debate.

01:20:09.620 You tried to make him stay in the race.

01:20:12.400 He had to be forced out by George Clooney

01:20:15.380 and the New York Times and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

01:20:19.040 What do you mean you thought he was having a stroke?

01:20:20.960 That's not at all how you behave.

01:20:22.560 that not one follow up by Rita Braver in a massive journalistic fail. And yet another example of why

01:20:29.980 CBS is doing very poorly right now in the ratings across the board. Well, we went back and looked at

01:20:37.040 the whole interview because it didn't air until this Sunday. And I just want to give you a feel

01:20:41.400 for the very, very tough interview that Rita Braver gave Dr. Jill Biden. Look at these questions.

01:20:48.840 so is it a big change you know you're in the white house and you're living kind of a quiet

01:20:55.000 life in delaware was there any foreign trip that you just loved you traveled the country

01:21:00.440 trying to make sure that people got vaccinated for example right you're a little bit tense when

01:21:05.660 it comes to his health huh when he was considering not running you said i don't want you to have my

01:21:13.260 opinion. Why did you say that? Did you ever think of changing the title after the East Wing was

01:21:19.660 destroyed? Your family was all around you in the White House, right? In the book, you don't mention

01:21:27.760 President Trump's name except for one time. I have to think that was done on purpose. Tell us about

01:21:33.820 that. I mean, why was it hard to be first lady? You went all out to get Vice President Harris 0.97

01:21:38.800 elected. When you think about the country now, what do you think of the direction this country

01:21:46.240 is going in now? She had to check her notes for that. That last one, she had to check her notes

01:21:51.440 for. When you think about the country now, look down. What do you think about the direction it's

01:21:55.180 going in? Rita, it's time to hang it up. Sorry. Sorry, girl. It's time to hang it up. It's not

01:22:00.320 an age thing. Leslie Stala is 86, I think. She's still crushing it. She's like doing fine. She can

01:22:07.160 still she's not my cup of tea i'm just saying like she's out there she's doing journalism and

01:22:11.280 she's still doing big interviews rita not it it's time um i don't know if you rita was ever good i've

01:22:17.460 got to be honest and i've never heard of rita before i'm not i'm not a big sunday mornings

01:22:20.660 watcher but that was such a fail on every level can you that's why she didn't ask any follow-up

01:22:25.980 questions because clearly there was a deal to give her a softball massage interview and she's 1.00

01:22:33.620 so programmed to do that that even when jill biden is making massive news saying she thought 0.94

01:22:40.400 joe biden was having a stroke at the debate she's been telling us all he crushed she couldn't follow

01:22:47.360 up she couldn't deviate off of her list of softball questions what an embarrassment i mean when craig

01:22:53.680 melvin is doing better journalistic interviews than somebody who gets the first sit down it's

01:23:00.480 a sad statement. I don't know, Megan, I'm watching this, and I'm thinking, you may know more about

01:23:03.920 this than I do, but at these big networks, women of a certain age see themselves as, because they're

01:23:09.760 all center-left feminists, see themselves in solidarity with other women who have, like,

01:23:16.220 been through hardships who are also from the center-left. And so, she may be one of the few

01:23:21.220 people in America that has any real empathy remaining for Jill Biden. It may have been a

01:23:27.500 deal with the publisher. They want to keep getting access to the publisher. I don't know. But to me,

01:23:31.560 I read that as her genuinely feeling deep empathy and almost like sistership with Jill Biden, 0.98

01:23:38.020 which is hilarious and pathetic. And it's why these networks are dinosaurs, because they still 0.97

01:23:42.140 have some of these people in top interviewing positions who suck because they're so used to

01:23:47.960 doing the back-patting interviews that maybe flew 30 years ago. But institutional trust is so low 0.59

01:23:54.600 in the country right now that nobody has any appetite for this bullshit anymore. 1.00

01:23:58.660 It's so crazy. And by the way, she would have done Jill Biden a favor if she had asked a couple 0.99

01:24:03.540 of follow ups to get her to explain, like, how can you say that when you are on record as having

01:24:08.980 defended him after that debate? Like what you're doing her a favor when you're asking her the

01:24:13.600 question that everyone wants answered, as opposed to just, you know, being stuck in your kiss ass 0.96

01:24:19.160 questions, because that's what you agreed to be at CBS Sunday mornings. That's I'm so embarrassed 0.98

01:24:23.980 for her. Leslie Stahl is 84, not 86, but the point stands. She's well into her 80s and she's still

01:24:30.780 asking tough questions. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they're all of Republicans. My point is

01:24:36.040 simply, she knows how to do a challenging interview. Unlike Rita, Rita's sister, I'm sorry,

01:24:42.100 but it didn't work out. Speaking of CBS, there is breaking news about CBS right now. And it is from

01:24:50.880 Dylan Byers, who writes now for Puck News. And he has just gotten a scoop about the new

01:24:58.560 executive producer of 60 Minutes, who's a guy named Nick Bilton, who's done kind of nothing,

01:25:07.680 not kind of nothing in TV. I don't think he's done anything in TV, much like his boss, Barry Weiss,

01:25:13.200 who has zero television experience, zero, nothing when it comes to TV news. And because they like

01:25:22.260 Barry's stance on, I guess, I don't know, Israel and woke issues, because the Ellisons align with

01:25:28.740 her on that, they hired her and put her in charge of CBS News. And unfortunately-

01:25:34.660 Don't forget low taxes, Megan. 0.95

01:25:35.600 As obviously, yeah, low taxes, right. So obviously what they're learning the hard way is that

01:25:40.880 when it comes to broadcast journalism, the broadcast piece of it actually does mean something

01:25:46.960 and having some experience would be highly relevant and helpful. But they're learning

01:25:52.780 the hard way that having zero experience, whether you are the editor-in-chief over there or the new

01:25:58.420 head of 60 Minutes, does matter. It will set you up to fail. And if you don't have it, guess what

01:26:03.580 else you won't be? Respected by the rank and file, who actually do take pride in understanding how to

01:26:09.600 do not just journalism, but broadcast journalism, which involves a lot of other elements which they

01:26:15.260 continue to get wrong under this new leadership. So she brings in somebody who's obviously some

01:26:20.540 sort of a friend, this Nick Bilton, and he just held his first all-hands meeting at 60 Minutes

01:26:25.800 this morning, and it did not go well. Scott Pelley, who's I guess the chief anchor over there,

01:26:32.180 told this Nick Bilton that he has scant qualifications for the job and pressed him

01:26:38.280 to account for all the firings we saw from 60 Minutes last week of anyone who got under Barry

01:26:44.260 Weiss's skin. Nick suggested the conversation would be better held in private. Scott Pelley

01:26:50.300 countered that he would prefer to have the conversation in front of his 60 Minutes colleagues

01:26:55.360 for whom he clearly believed he was speaking to. Nick Bilton told Scott, they're my colleagues too,

01:27:02.460 to which Scott Pelley replied, again, this is Dylan Byers reporting, to which Scott Pelley

01:27:07.480 replied that remains to be seen whoa um he says he'll have more tonight and then there was another

01:27:16.680 report from the guardian moments ago that said um hold on do i have it here yes from the guardians

01:27:26.680 jeremy barr who reports that scott pelly then called out barry weiss in the meeting saying and

01:27:33.420 this is in quotes, she's murdering 60 minutes. She does not love this place. She was brought

01:27:39.440 in to kill it and is doing exactly that. Now, Emily, I want to take you back to right after

01:27:48.360 Barry was given this job and she and I were friendly and I said some nice things about her

01:27:53.740 because I cared about Barry. And to be honest, I still care about Barry. She's been coming for me

01:28:00.160 over the Israel thing, much like Ben Shapiro, not the courtesy of a text, even though I texted her.

01:28:06.080 Nope, I'm otherized. I guess I'm not on her list of friends now. That's fine. So I'm now just going

01:28:12.560 to be really honest about what's happening at her in 60 Minutes. It's her fault. What she's doing at

01:28:17.720 CBS, which is failing, is her fault. And even when Barry and I were friendly and she got this role,

01:28:24.240 though I wished her well and so on, I did say the truth to my audience, as I always do.

01:28:30.340 And this was my reaction when I heard she got this job with zero broadcast news experience.

01:28:37.260 Why would you go into mainstream media right now? Like, it's dead. It's dying. It absolutely

01:28:46.100 is on track for the iceberg. I just don't understand the allure. And I really don't

01:28:52.120 understand the allure to go to a television network, which is not Barry's background at all.

01:28:58.220 And it's for me, and I really love Barry and Nellie too. I worried they're going to eat her

01:29:04.260 alive because CBS is among the worst when it comes to being insular. You have to be raised 1.00

01:29:13.700 at CBS to be respected by the CBS people. It's happening. It's happening right now.

01:29:21.240 she's being eaten alive from within. She will not succeed in this position. It will not be held

01:29:26.440 long-term. And you can see it. They can fire Sharon Alfonsi or this one or that one. The

01:29:32.940 entire organization is against her. She's got like three friends over there, most of whom are

01:29:37.840 extremely pro-Israel, who will speak up for her on that front. There's nothing wrong with being

01:29:41.660 pro-Israel, but I'm telling you, they're not inside CBS. And you've got to have more to you

01:29:47.040 than that. You have to have something they respect. And pro tip to the Ellisons, you also at CBS have

01:29:55.280 to have been raised in television. You have to understand what's in the mind of a television

01:29:59.940 correspondent, what makes a good television story, what works and what doesn't in a 60 minutes piece,

01:30:06.680 which by the way, Mr. Ellison is a visual art. It's a visual presentation. She has no fucking

01:30:13.920 background in this. They don't respect her and they never will. So she will be eaten alive. 1.00

01:30:19.460 It's happening right now. It has absolutely no hope of succeeding. And, you know, I'm not sorry

01:30:24.540 to be right, but I was in what I said. Your point about the culture at CBS is such an important one

01:30:29.960 that if you've worked at these big networks before, you know that it's exactly as you described it

01:30:36.180 with CBS in particular. There's this like preciousness about the brand that makes this

01:30:40.780 kind of difficult because Barry has the worst critics in so many cases. Like if it is, there's

01:30:45.920 good gatekeeping and there's bad gatekeeping. And what Scott Pelley is doing is honestly bad

01:30:50.280 gatekeeping. Like if her critics are Scott Pelley and Rita and the people who have run CBS into the

01:30:56.520 ground, although it's now going further into the ground, if you're looking at ratings for evening

01:30:59.700 news and such, that is not helpful, right? Like I don't have a lot of sympathy for Scott Pelley,

01:31:05.740 who just doesn't want any of this precious, precious product, which the American people

01:31:09.420 are increasingly rejecting to have a little bit of fresh air. And the built-in hire is very

01:31:15.660 interesting because my understanding is he comes from New York Times documentaries. That is kind

01:31:20.180 of what the sweet spot for 60 Minutes should be in that what you air on broadcast should be able

01:31:25.340 to double on YouTube and be a really good ad generator for people in or for these networks.

01:31:31.280 Now, they're always going to have to cut overhead. You're never going to be able to have Stephen

01:31:34.180 Colbert with 200 staffers for a primetime, like late night, I'm sorry, late night comedy show.

01:31:39.420 and that's going to apply across the board. Nor should you. Nor should Stephen Colbert.

01:31:42.980 It's crazy. It's crazy. And you can't support that, but you can probably be profitable. Like

01:31:47.820 Fallon does pretty well on socials. You should be working to find a new way to use all pieces

01:31:53.900 of the news buffalo and all the different platforms that people are now on. So maybe

01:31:58.260 it's an interesting hire. But yes, like you have to be able to do both. And I understand why people

01:32:04.580 like Scott Pelley feel like they can't do both. I also feel like the gatekeeping from Scott Pelley

01:32:09.400 and Alfonsi and Rita and Leslie Stahl or whomever else is mad about some of this stuff. It's like

01:32:14.200 you are the last people to have any credibility about what should be happening at this network.

01:32:18.840 So it's that part of it is infuriating. I mean, Scott Pelley is a prig and he's so annoying and

01:32:25.560 he's so elitist. However, it doesn't matter what you and I think about Scott Pelley and his

01:32:31.980 editorial judgment. What matters is inside of CBS. And unless they are prepared to get rid of

01:32:38.380 everyone, except for those three or four people who support Barry, everyone. And I mean, on air

01:32:44.500 and off, you know, behind the scenes, tech staff, producing staff, for sure, they're going to have

01:32:50.280 to deal with this problem, which is she's not respected. She's loathed. And it's not because

01:32:55.540 of any one thing. It's because she's not of them and she hasn't proven herself. She's not of

01:33:01.320 television. She's been in journalism for about two minutes and not even in broadcast television.

01:33:07.260 So it's just not going to work out. I'm sorry. But that's like I'm telling you, you cannot stay in a position in any position.

01:33:14.060 I mean, the only reason she's like they're like golden child, they've decided she's something.

01:33:17.420 That's why they gave her one hundred million dollars for her organization, which was worth one tenth that the free press.

01:33:23.920 But like literally it's just their affinity for her as a person that's allowing her to stay in this role because CBS News has reached record low numbers in its morning show and its evening show.

01:33:34.100 And now we're going after 60 minutes, which is the only thing they have left.

01:33:37.600 OK, so she's not succeeding by any measure.

01:33:40.800 And on top of that, she's loathed.

01:33:43.940 She does not have the support of the troops internally.

01:33:46.240 So good luck with that, Ellis and crew.

01:33:49.060 OK, in the time we have left, I guess we have to talk about James Tallarico because he is now running for Senate in the state of Texas and he will take on Ken Paxton.

01:34:02.120 and there is a question. There are a lot of questions, a lot of questions about James

01:34:05.820 Tallarico. Does he eat meat or doesn't he? He's tweeted out the picture of him eating like a side

01:34:10.840 of ribs, but he already is on camera saying that he's vegan and that his campaign is vegan. And

01:34:16.040 by the way, he was holding those ribs, like trying to tear in them like a real meat eater,

01:34:19.820 and he was holding them with a napkin. He had a little napkin because he didn't want to get his

01:34:24.520 girly little fingers dirty with the sauce on the barbecue. That is not how a real Texas man does it.

01:34:28.980 okay so there's that now i think in an effort to like show us that he really is a man because

01:34:34.660 there's a question i mean let's let's face it we don't understand what we're dealing with there

01:34:39.600 he's really focused on the six sexes and i one has to wonder whether that that's because he's

01:34:44.160 one of the other four that we don't know about trump called him transgender over the weekend

01:34:47.640 yes yes i'm just gonna say the president he he he's not always politically correct but he does

01:34:58.400 zero in on things we're all kind of thinking. He just, he's the only one who has the nerve to say

01:35:02.760 it. Um, so it turns out on cue, James Tallarico reveals he has a girlfriend. Okay. He has a

01:35:11.960 girlfriend. Her name is George Glass. No, uh, her name is, uh, what's her name? Hold on. Where is

01:35:18.580 she? She's pretty. Uh, she's pretty. Yes. Brianna Menard and Brianna Menard has apparently she 1.00

01:35:28.260 met him in 2022. Mangabat. Wait, no, no, no. Menard. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm

01:35:34.980 confusing my two scandals here. So they met in 2022 and she was working on his campaign at the

01:35:40.480 time, Emily. And then I guess she left the campaign and they made it official in 2023,

01:35:47.300 allegedly between them. And it was in 2023 that she dropped, by the way, she's a committed vegan,

01:35:55.880 yoga buff and cat mom who likes dancing the night away at a local gay bar called cheer up charlie's 0.65

01:36:02.600 in austin the plot thickens okay cat friendly cat friendly gay bar

01:36:07.260 what's happening so she in 2023 released the following is it a poem oh no oh yeah sorry it

01:36:23.100 was 2022 so as while she's working for his campaign and maybe the relationship had started

01:36:29.380 so it's unclear whether it's directly about him let's just watch it together because we needed

01:36:33.580 to see it to believe it let me kiss you endlessly like the breeze dancing around us in our timeless

01:36:40.860 palace our sanctuary of you and me tapping along and i don't want to slow down one two one two

01:36:49.360 three four count me in because i can't stay away i'm fighting tears watching you put the sunset to

01:36:56.560 shame i'm stoned on your smile a butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles eternally lifted by your

01:37:04.440 chemicals is this okay the wine tastes better on your lips hold my hand and tell me your secret

01:37:12.280 how do you glow in the dark let's go play under the moon she'll keep it to herself while we come

01:37:19.060 alive in her light. It's as if I bottled you up and drank you the way you wore me from the inside.

01:37:31.760 I'm horrified. I don't like it. Oh my gosh, Emily. That's the girlfriend. Um, I let me kiss

01:37:40.040 you endlessly. Like the breeze dancing around us in our timeless palace,

01:37:45.320 tapping along i don't want to slow down count me in because i can't stay away

01:37:52.680 i'm stoned on your smile a butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles

01:37:59.500 i mean i would like nobody should be writing that about brad pitt let alone james tallarico

01:38:07.380 it's disgusting we need joseph massey for this but i will say megan i do after party listeners

01:38:14.040 know, I unfortunately have a minor in creative writing with a concentration in poetry. And I

01:38:19.760 will tell you, as an 18-year-old, I had to sit through a whole lot of classes where people

01:38:25.100 brought poems like this, but actually somehow better than this, and had to read them aloud

01:38:30.340 to the class. And I can tell you, that is like a C in freshman poetry, where I come from.

01:38:37.640 That's not an A. And she published that! She released it!

01:38:41.560 A butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles.

01:38:46.720 That's how we think of Glenn Greenwald.

01:38:48.100 That says externally lifted by your chemicals.

01:38:49.940 What does that even mean?

01:38:51.240 I don't even understand what that is.

01:38:53.100 Pheromones.

01:38:53.560 Externally lifted by your chemicals.

01:38:55.520 What?

01:38:56.000 How do you glow in the dark?

01:38:57.400 What is she telling us about him?

01:38:58.660 He glows.

01:38:59.040 I'm really curious.

01:39:01.100 I've never seen him at night.

01:39:02.240 So that's, does that convince you that he's more of a manly man?

01:39:07.080 I mean, come on.

01:39:08.200 The best Paxton nickname for him so far. 0.99

01:39:10.160 Paxton needs to work on his delivery, but six gender Jimmy, that's pretty good because he's 0.96

01:39:14.700 out right now lying about when he said he believes that there are more than, at least there are six 0.83

01:39:18.960 genders, at least. And now he's saying, of course, there are only two. So we'll see if he can really

01:39:24.120 convince the public that he's not off on weirdo island. If these two wind up together, I'm telling

01:39:30.960 you right now, they're off on the path toward marriage is hard. Being newly married is hard.

01:39:36.700 being newly married while running for office is really hard. I don't like the place it's going.

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01:42:16.660 No BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel, Sirius XM 111 and on the Sirius XM app.

01:42:27.600 Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party, is back with me now.

01:42:31.420 And to all of our Sirius XM fans, Emily's After the Show program will start in just a minute and you can call in.

01:42:39.860 And sometimes it's been very fun.

01:42:41.660 I've discovered this and I've been listening to it.

01:42:43.800 And it's so fun to listen to people call in and talk about what they thought, so please do call.

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01:42:52.260 There we go. So easy to remember.

01:42:54.040 Okay, get on the line now and let us know your thoughts.

01:42:56.780 Okay, Tom Steyer, the villainous, vile Tom Steyer who wants every boy to play in girl sports,

01:43:03.120 just as long as he pretends that he's a girl.

01:43:05.260 Um, he's decided that Jon Hamm would be a great person to voice over his, one of the last ads

01:43:14.120 in this campaign as the vote comes down, um, until the final hours. And, um, a simple Google search

01:43:21.380 would have served Tom Steyer very well because Jon Hamm is no one to be associated with your

01:43:29.200 political campaign. I remember seeing him once at the democratic national convention. I was there

01:43:33.300 as a reporter. And he was there. He's obviously a diehard Democrat. And he is troubled, shall we

01:43:41.900 say, Emily. I'm not going to lie. I loved Mad Men. I liked Jon Hamm in a couple of movies.

01:43:48.100 I have to be honest, it's before I knew what he had done when he was a college fraternity brother.

01:43:56.060 And it's despicable and unforgettable. And I learned it from our pal Maureen Callahan,

01:44:01.860 who, when she launched the nerve, opened with this incredible takedown of Jon Hamm.

01:44:08.600 And I was like, oh my God, is this true? I mean, for a number of reasons, I wanted to make sure

01:44:12.700 it was true. And it is true as alleged by the man who says he was victimized by Hamm. This is all

01:44:20.420 from official police documents and other documents. I'll actually give you the exact sourcing as we

01:44:25.720 come out of it. But hold on a second. It's PolitiFact actually reported. We identified

01:44:32.820 Travis County records relating to a civil lawsuit brought by this man who says he was victimized by

01:44:38.740 John Hamm. His name is Mark Allen Sanders against the fraternity and several members, including

01:44:44.120 Hamm. There is a transcript of a February 28, 1991 interview of Sanders by Stanley Anderson,

01:44:51.900 and investigator for Travis County. And that's the source for all of this information. And we'll

01:44:58.000 tell you what Jon Hamm says about it as well. But here's a summary by Maureen on what Jon Hamm did

01:45:03.880 at this fraternity where he was a brother and Mark Allen Sanders was pledging. And I mean,

01:45:10.600 I pledged a sorority. I was in Tridel when I was in college and we had minor, minor,

01:45:17.740 I don't even call it hazing,

01:45:19.460 but pledge-like behavior that we had to do.

01:45:22.280 It was fun.

01:45:23.260 It was in good humor.

01:45:24.720 We all laughed.

01:45:25.560 There was absolutely nothing

01:45:26.860 that came anywhere close to hurting us.

01:45:29.580 And by that point on the campus of Syracuse University,

01:45:32.300 they'd had a couple of scandals

01:45:34.200 involving a couple of fraternity houses.

01:45:36.320 So the fraternities as well were pretty clean

01:45:39.300 in the so-called hazing or the initiation rituals.

01:45:43.180 But certainly we had moved beyond hurting people,

01:45:46.500 understanding that that's not brotherhood, and it's not what a man would do, which is what these

01:45:54.060 guys are at the college level. Young men trying to set the example in behavior for others. So

01:46:00.960 shame on you, Jon Hamm. Here's Maureen's recitation of some of the basics.

01:46:06.320 Because this kid, Mark, could not come up with the proper nicknames, he gets mad, meaning Jon Hamm.

01:46:13.860 He marches these two little pledges upstairs where they meet two other frat boys who have a paddle.

01:46:20.760 They begin to beat Mark Sanders.

01:46:24.880 And the victim describes Jon Hamm rearing back, and he hits me right over my right kidney.

01:46:31.620 I mean, square over it, good solid hit, and that stood me up.

01:46:35.040 So then Jon Hamm and the group lead me downstairs to the quote-unquote pit.

01:46:39.480 And Mark is ordered to get in the dirt and begin forcibly doing push-ups.

01:46:45.720 Jon Hamm, according to this transcript, and another frat boy, quote,

01:46:50.440 they were actually pushing my face to get in the dirt.

01:46:55.200 Jon Hamm pulls out a lighter, and I was wearing designer jeans,

01:46:59.400 and I have this loop on the front, and he took the lighter and caught that on fire.

01:47:02.960 I tried to put out the fire immediately.

01:47:04.840 John Hamm knocked my hand away, and I was kind of panicking because I was wearing a cotton T-shirt.

01:47:11.160 He made me blow it out with my mouth. 0.99

01:47:14.100 John Hamm takes that hammer claw, hooks it under Mark Sanders' genitals, and drags him around the room for about a solid minute. 0.99

01:47:23.760 I mean, absolutely despicable behavior. 0.92

01:47:27.480 She also got into this, that Mark Allen Sanders told investigators when he sat down with him

01:47:35.700 weeks later that he had been to the doctor, he had a broken back, his spine was fractured,

01:47:42.760 his doctor told him he may lose his right kidney, he had extreme trauma, he said, quote,

01:47:49.920 my kidney spasms and it bruises itself. And the doctor told him it was from being hit right over

01:47:58.620 it, the kidney. I can remember feeling being hit hard right over this, his kidney. He was also

01:48:04.680 beaten with a broomstick right over my rib cage. He said, whenever I breathe, my lung actually

01:48:09.500 can't go all the way because it's pinned between my rib cage from, I assume it was beaten down

01:48:14.120 some, beaten into me. He had ligament damage, cartilage damage, artery vein, and nerve damage.

01:48:19.480 His rib cage was bruised severely. The other pledge who survived that night said he was

01:48:26.000 afraid to return to Austin. This happened at the University of Texas at Austin at the Sigma Nu

01:48:31.820 fraternity house. And Jon Hamm, when asked about this incident by Esquire in 2018, said, quote,

01:48:40.700 I wouldn't say that it's accurate. Everything about that is sensationalized. I was accused of

01:48:48.140 these things. It's so hard to get into. I don't want to give it any more breath. It was a bummer

01:48:55.480 of a thing that happened. I was essentially acquitted. I wasn't convicted of anything.

01:49:02.560 I was caught up in a big situation, a stupid kid in a stupid situation, a fucking bummer. 1.00

01:49:09.400 I moved on from it. Okay. A fucking bummer is not how you describe breaking someone's back, 1.00

01:49:17.740 fracturing their spine, uh, bruising their right kidney to the point where they might 0.99

01:49:23.120 have lost it, hurting their lungs, their ligaments, their veins, causing nerve damage.

01:49:30.220 As you did all the things Maureen said, allegedly. And on top of that, one we didn't

01:49:36.780 include in the clip was, uh, they allegedly pulled his underwear up from inside of Mark's pants.

01:49:44.340 Uh, the more they pulled, the more it would like, they just kept pulling on both sides. They were

01:49:51.560 pulling and then they sawed the underwear like back and forth between his legs, trying to hurt

01:49:57.460 him. And it did hurt like over and over. So they hurt his genitals. Jon Hamm tried to light him on

01:50:03.100 fire. Jon Hamm beat him in the kidney with a paddle and allegedly broke his back. And somehow

01:50:10.960 this man has become a Hollywood darling to the point where Tom Steyer, now number two in the

01:50:18.780 race for California governor, thought he would be a great choice to voice over his final ad.

01:50:25.020 It's despicable and says a lot about Tom Steyer, not to mention Jon Hamm. Your thoughts? I mean,

01:50:31.180 It says a lot about Hollywood, actually, because these are really, really serious allegations.

01:50:36.220 And to get a question about it in Esquire and then be able to coast.

01:50:39.880 I mean, Hamm's not just out there like a Joaquin Phoenix type guy, just trying to be an actor.

01:50:44.600 You know, he's just in it for the art.

01:50:45.840 Like, he's a big brand.

01:50:47.460 He has a lot of, like, business deals that come along with Jon Hamm, Inc.

01:50:52.420 And so for that to never have affected his career, I mean, there are a lot of crazy fraternity hazing stories.

01:51:00.220 there's a small minority of stories. I mean, people have died in these awful rituals,

01:51:04.280 but there are small, small minority of stories. It sounds like this story

01:51:07.960 falls into that small, small minority of stories where you have fraternity brothers who are so

01:51:13.020 drunk, they're big football players, and they become sadistic. And to drag someone around

01:51:20.420 with a hammer claw by their testicles is just, it's not normal behavior. It's not even like 0.99

01:51:25.420 I got caught up in the moment during frat hazing and was so drunk I was blacked out

01:51:29.660 type of behavior. It doesn't even fall into that category. So the fact that he's kind of gotten

01:51:33.680 away with somebody on fire. Yeah, right, right. And the fact that he's kind of gotten away with

01:51:37.700 just giving fucking bummer answers to these questions. I actually think that tells us 0.98

01:51:42.240 something about especially, by the way, as a kind of far like, let's just say Tom Steyer is going in

01:51:47.780 the leftist plane, like he wants to be seen as a leftist. And then for leftists who are supposedly

01:51:52.720 caring about women, vulnerable people, and toxic masculinity to just bring John Hammond to the

01:52:00.480 fold as a, you know, surrogate without really ever grappling with that seems a little interesting

01:52:07.660 from my perspective because that's a very, I mean, that's not just like, oh, it was in my past. I had

01:52:12.340 one drunk and crazy night. That's pretty serious stuff. That is deadly serious. Here's the ad.

01:52:19.020 Sweet California.

01:52:22.720 built by the go-getters, the pioneers, the brave,

01:52:27.320 to make this big, beautiful, crazy place we call home.

01:52:31.860 A home that's become unaffordable for the people who live here and make it run.

01:52:36.200 This election is about change versus more of the same.

01:52:39.820 If you want a governor who can't be bought,

01:52:42.260 who can take on the powerful interests crushing us,

01:52:44.900 if you're ready for change, Tom Steyer for Governor.

01:52:49.180 Let's not forget, Emily, what he said to A.B. Hernandez.

01:52:53.900 It's the governor's job to protect you against all of the malign influences in this world,

01:53:00.600 that I will be your protection between the danger and Californians.

01:53:07.120 You just had one voice your ad.

01:53:10.120 What are you?

01:53:11.200 Tell it to Mark, right?

01:53:12.740 Tell it to this poor kid, Mark Allen Sanders, now a grown man, who will never get over the scars caused by an incident like that.

01:53:20.120 Absolutely never.

01:53:21.640 I mean, can you imagine?

01:53:22.720 This is so damaging and just destructive to a young man's psyche to have to go through that just to join a fraternity.

01:53:30.860 And then he has to watch as Jon Hamm becomes a big star, a huge celebrity.

01:53:36.800 But at least he's thinking they didn't know.

01:53:38.840 at least he's thinking, OK, all he's doing is acting a role. He's not actually Jon Hamm

01:53:44.560 who's being celebrated until now, where Tom Steyer has taken the actual Jon Hamm to be,

01:53:50.820 in essence, a campaign spokesperson, because he's just fine. The big protector of California

01:53:55.980 is just fine with having an abuser, alleged, voice over his last campaign ad to leave

01:54:02.140 that lasting impression with Californians about what a protector Tom Steyer is going to be.

01:54:06.840 Well, I'm contrasting this in my mind with Mark Wahlberg, who a lot more people are familiar with Mark Wahlberg. I mean, these are people of similar caliber celebrity. A lot more people are familiar with Mark Wahlberg's past, and he's had to explain it. He's had to deal with it. And you rarely ever, ever hear this Jon Hamm story. Like, despite how serious the allegations are, you rarely ever, ever hear about this.

01:54:26.760 Like, that's the beauty of what Maureen does.

01:54:28.980 She tells these stories because as a market, people know they're not getting what they

01:54:32.600 want to hear from Hollywood, like, industry press.

01:54:35.400 But that's insane.

01:54:36.780 I mean, just thinking about examples, like, Wahlberg tends to be, I think, seen as somebody

01:54:41.040 who's a little more right.

01:54:42.600 But if, I think if Jon Hamm were somebody who was coming out in support of Steve Hilton

01:54:47.520 or Spencer Pratt, he would be getting destroyed over these allegations, to be honest.

01:54:53.140 Yes, I totally agree with you.

01:54:55.420 it's like Matt Damon almost had his career destroyed because he was accused was it I forgive

01:55:02.300 me I forget whether it was Matt or Ben Affleck one of them like allegedly grabbed a woman's rear end

01:55:08.880 during the Me Too era and it came out and the other one like defended him but he definitely

01:55:12.980 almost got it was Ben who did it okay and Matt just made comments about it like calm down and 0.98

01:55:18.520 And then Matt admitted that he had used the term faggot. 0.97

01:55:22.980 He had like discussed at the table with his daughter how the term that term didn't used to be, you know, verboten. 0.98

01:55:31.460 And she couldn't believe that he didn't know that, like that there was a time when that term was used.

01:55:36.460 And he almost got canceled over saying that, you know, at one point that term wasn't considered anathema, like you were allowed to say it.

01:55:44.980 So like they're ready to cancel Matt Damon over that word and over defending like a bottom tap.

01:55:52.740 But Jon Hamm can not only be a huge star in all these series and movies and actually do voiceovers for gubernatorial campaigns after breaking a man's back, allegedly, and allegedly trying to set him on fire.

01:56:09.660 Again, he's sort of trying to deny it. It's not the most convincing denial to Esquire.

01:56:15.720 That's just fine. Hollywood doesn't have its values intact, and neither do Democrats in

01:56:22.440 California if they don't start calling Tom Steyer's office and asking him why he chose

01:56:28.680 this alleged abuser to be his campaign voiceover man. That's the lasting impression he wants

01:56:35.280 Californians to be left with. I think it's disgusting, Emily. I'm sorry. I just think 0.96

01:56:38.080 of all the people. I'm sure there's other rich California actors who would have been willing

01:56:45.700 to voice a Tom Steyer ad. You didn't have to go to this guy. I wonder if the Steyer campaign even

01:56:51.680 knows about this, honestly. That's how little this has been talked about, even right now as

01:56:57.000 he's cutting this ad for Steyer at the last minute. This show is probably one of the only places where

01:57:02.140 this is getting discussed. And again, if he were coming out for Steve Hilton or Spencer Pratt,

01:57:07.180 we know that this story would be huge. It would be weaponized. And I don't think all of our

01:57:12.020 standards are great, but all people are asking for is for us to have the same standards. For

01:57:17.340 Hollywood, if they're going to lecture us and send endorsements to candidates, all we're asking

01:57:24.040 is that they hold themselves to the same standards if they're going to be so sanctimonious about

01:57:29.160 politics. If they insist on doing that, then they should hold themselves to their own standards.

01:57:33.560 And that's obviously not happening here.

01:57:36.060 Oh, yeah.

01:57:36.800 I mean, like every Trump surrogate when he was running was subjected to media scrutiny

01:57:41.700 where we had to go back through their scandals and ask ourselves whether they really should

01:57:45.920 have been speaking at the Republican National Convention and so on.

01:57:49.420 Like, they all got that treatment.

01:57:51.780 This?

01:57:52.740 I look forward to watching the Hollywood reporters write up of it.

01:57:56.440 The very judgmental Hollywood reporter, unless it's a star they want access to, in which

01:58:01.680 case it's kid gloves.

01:58:02.920 They will get the Rita treatment of Jill Biden on CBS Sunday mornings.

01:58:08.240 So we'll see.

01:58:09.100 We will certainly call the Tom Steyer campaign, as we have been, trying to get him to come on the show to defend his stance on males playing in female sports.

01:58:18.340 But he's too much of a you-know-what to come on here and actually answer tough questions.

01:58:23.440 He is.

01:58:23.940 He's too scared to actually answer.

01:58:26.160 And I would be respectful of Tom Steyer.

01:58:27.980 I would. 0.98

01:58:28.340 I wouldn't be an ass. 0.71

01:58:29.620 I would ask him tough questions and see if he could defend them. 0.94

01:58:32.140 but he is too afraid to do it.

01:58:34.040 Speaking of questions, off you go to the races.

01:58:37.680 Thank you for being here,

01:58:38.740 and thank you for doing three hours today, Emily.

01:58:40.920 You're very busy on the MK channel over on SiriusXM,

01:58:45.080 and the MK wrap-up show starts in just a moment.

01:58:47.520 We are back tomorrow with an amazing Kelly's Court.

01:58:50.760 That case down in Texas involving Carmelo Anthony,

01:58:56.500 the young man who was accused of stabbing

01:58:59.180 Austin Metcalf in the heart is now underway, starting with jury selection. We will have a

01:59:04.860 full deep dive for you. And there is an update on the horrific case out of London, too, with the

01:59:11.340 young man who was stabbed and told by the London police, no, you haven't been. Wait until you hear

01:59:17.340 what the perpetrator's family just did. All that is in tomorrow's Kelly Score. We will see you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 01, 2026

Platner's ＂Sexting＂ Scandal Lies, Jill Biden's Book Tour Panic, and CBS Host Attacks Boss Bari, with Emily Jashinsky ｜ Ep. 1329

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