The Megyn Kelly Show - Political Hypocrisy, Trump Obsession, and Intel Community Absurdity, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's always a good day when

00:00:16.380 the Ruthless guys are here, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast, which you absolutely need

00:00:21.320 to be listening to. And they are here today for the full show. So many interesting, newsworthy,

00:00:27.840 and then juicy stories to get to. Okay, here's just one. Here's just one of my favorites.

00:00:32.400 Former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann this week had an insane takedown of the cable channel,

00:00:39.040 his former bosses, Rachel Maddow, and her new replacement, Alex Wagner. So this is brought

00:00:45.300 to my attention. I'm like, what? I might actually have to listen to Keith Olbermann, which I then did.

00:00:50.040 It made my jaw drop and we're going to get to it. Plus, one of the most popular podcasters in the

00:00:56.200 country and one time guest of The Megyn Kelly Show, Sam Harris, who I really like, came out with,

00:01:03.300 you know, he sort of said the quiet part out loud and is getting attacked for it, saying Hunter

00:01:08.340 Biden could have corpses of children in his basement and Sam does not care. It would not be as bad as

00:01:14.780 anything President Trump has ever done and was kind of defensive of the suppression of the New York

00:01:21.420 Post report on Hunter Biden. This is one of the things I actually like about Sam Harris is he just

00:01:27.180 doesn't give an F. You know, he tells you how he feels and he let the fallout be whatever it is. But

00:01:32.700 and also it's like helpful to have people who are on the left. He's not woke, but he's of the left

00:01:39.520 say what they're really feeling. So we'll play the soundbite and we'll get into it. And a new video

00:01:45.600 shows Border Patrol agents calmly unlocking the gates to allow illegal migrants into this country

00:01:53.160 one after the other, after the other. And so far, no explanation by Border Patrol has been provided.

00:02:01.260 Southern state governors along the border are outraged. We'll show it to you and talk about it.

00:02:06.300 Joining me now, John Ashbrook, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, and the man known to his Twitter minions

00:02:17.600 as comfortably smug are all here. Ruthless. Welcome back to the show.

00:02:22.580 Great to be back. That's great to be here.

00:02:25.100 Aren't you excited about all those stories? I have such juicy ones for you guys today.

00:02:28.960 I mean, it's always awesome. But yeah, that's a good lineup.

00:02:31.460 All right. I really there's so many that we could start with, but I kind of I didn't get

00:02:36.600 to this yesterday. We had Bessie DeVos on and I really didn't. I want to get to Liz Cheney

00:02:41.620 slash Abraham Lincoln. It's unbelievable. So like there's more reporting this morning

00:02:50.340 on her concession speech or her, you know, it's not really a farewell speech. It's more like

00:02:54.660 I'll see you shortly for the presidential run speech. Where do you know that that guy,

00:02:58.300 James Goldston, who used to run ABC News, who has been helping her with the January 6th

00:03:03.400 committee theater, you know, produce it and try to make everything snazzy and TV, you

00:03:08.740 know, appropriate. He was there shooting her her little concession speech or, you know,

00:03:14.200 I'll be back speech. Clearly, she really is planning some sort of a political comeback

00:03:19.280 or maybe some documentary about herself that nobody wants to see. And in the midst of all

00:03:24.600 this, maybe that's why she incorporated this reference to our 16th and arguably

00:03:29.700 greatest president ever. Here's the sound and then we'll talk about it. This is thought

00:03:34.160 three.

00:03:35.940 The great and original champion of our party, Abraham Lincoln, was defeated in elections

00:03:42.500 for the Senate and the House before he won the most important election of all. Lincoln

00:03:48.540 ultimately prevailed. He saved our union and he defined our obligation as Americans for

00:03:55.040 all of history.

00:03:57.540 OK, what was that doing in there? And do we really believe there's any political future

00:04:04.200 for Liz Cheney?

00:04:05.960 Oh, well, let's start with the obvious fact that there's never been a candidate for office

00:04:10.560 in history who's had such ample time to plan a concession speech. She said months and months

00:04:19.520 and months to to to come to grips with the inevitable and getting blown out by 40, I think

00:04:25.100 may have even exceeded her expectations in that regard. Yeah. But obviously, at some point

00:04:30.060 along the way, she basically just stopped campaigning. Right. I mean, she she made her entire campaign

00:04:35.540 in her entire political identity about Donald Trump. Right. And so, like I read in The New

00:04:41.740 York Times, this piece about how Hageman, who who defeated her, told her staff that you want

00:04:47.860 to just go just do the bare minimum research here. Let's look on her congressional website

00:04:53.060 and see how many times she's mentioned Wyoming or inflation or Biden. Right. Zippo. Right.

00:05:01.520 It was just it was just Trump. It was just January 6th. So, I mean, look, if you're running

00:05:06.320 to try to represent people in their interests, I don't know if anybody's noticed, but the

00:05:09.540 economy is not awesome. Right. I got to imagine people have a opinion on that. Well, the representative

00:05:15.800 isn't really interested in that, apparently. She's way more interested in taking shots at

00:05:20.600 Trump. She's got like a personal thing about Trump. I get it. She didn't like January 6th,

00:05:23.840 but like to have been this obsessed with it for this long, given the numbers facing the economy

00:05:28.700 and her hometown. Like there's some sort of personal thing going on there. And then to

00:05:33.160 use the dad at the last minute, like Trump's terrible. I was like, OK, she needs to move

00:05:37.820 on. The country's focused on other on other things. The only people interested in that

00:05:41.320 are at the Lincoln Project, which is probably why she had that reference in her little speech.

00:05:46.080 They're all they see her as the modern day Lincoln. I think it's a fitting. I think it's

00:05:51.440 a fitting end to to the saga in that, you know, her campaign eventually just became

00:05:57.960 a theater production like you were saying earlier, Megan, with the snazzy TV production

00:06:02.620 of the January six hearings. And, you know, they bring in the big wigs to make it snazzy

00:06:06.580 and all that sort of thing. Well, you know, in television, you get to the end of season

00:06:10.700 one and, you know, some characters, they're no longer on the show.

00:06:15.000 Kill off the character. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's Liz Cheney's fate. You know,

00:06:19.120 they they did the focus groups. They listened to the panel and they're like, we don't really

00:06:22.480 like her as a character on this. She's not going back to see it. Oh, contraire. Listen

00:06:28.540 to what she said to the Today Show when they pressed her about whether she was going to

00:06:32.740 be running for president. Are you thinking about running for president?

00:06:40.220 That's a decision that I'm going to make in the in the coming months today, and I'm not

00:06:43.440 going to make any announcements here this morning, but but it is something that I I'm

00:06:47.280 thinking about and I'll make a decision in the coming months. OK, literally, other than

00:06:53.400 the Lincoln Project, who would vote for Liz Cheney? Well, they're all there. They're always

00:06:58.900 going to be half a dozen people who get less than one percent in Iowa. And I guess she's

00:07:02.400 going to cast her name in with that. Is that just for the the end of her series that she's

00:07:07.480 shooting with Tom Goldston, the ABC News guy? Because I don't understand. Liz Cheney seems

00:07:11.820 too smart to think in any world she's got a shot. And by the way, for what party would

00:07:16.500 she be running? Well, that's a great question. That is a great question. I think it comes

00:07:21.240 out. So there's something I always say. You can either make a point or you can make a

00:07:24.520 difference. And I think she doesn't want she's not interested in making a difference. She's

00:07:27.900 not concerned with the interests of the people of Wyoming. She's trying to make a point.

00:07:31.760 She's like, oh, wow, democracy is going to die if people don't vote for me. If if people

00:07:36.300 don't love me, it means democracy is dying. This is all Trump's fault. She's done nothing

00:07:39.880 to address the concerns of the people of Wyoming. This isn't about Trump. This is about

00:07:44.020 her not doing her job when you have, what, over two thirds of voters in her own party

00:07:49.380 said, we don't want you representing us. You haven't done your job.

00:07:52.180 And right now, it's sort of a honeymoon with the liberal media and sort of the establishment

00:07:56.940 left. But I think what she's going to find out here over the next few months or the next

00:08:01.560 year is that honeymoon phase is going to wear thin pretty quickly. I mean, you remember when

00:08:07.260 Howard Schultz, the Starbucks CEO, was going to launch this independent bid and everyone was

00:08:12.020 super excited right at the beginning. And then the entire Democrat Party was like, hey,

00:08:16.200 actually, no, don't don't do that because you're going to siphon away votes from us.

00:08:21.000 And I think this whole honeymoon is going to end real quick.

00:08:24.080 No question. It's over whether she knows it or not. However, it's not necessarily over for

00:08:30.500 she's a Republican. But I mean, let's face it, she's sounded an awful lot like a Democrat on

00:08:35.000 anything related to Trump in the past two years. It's not necessarily over for Democrats who want

00:08:40.160 to take over the Senate or keep control of the Senate. Interesting news at a Cook political

00:08:44.720 report today saying in early May, we predicted the Republicans had odds of 60 percent of flipping

00:08:51.800 the Senate to their favor. They predicted they could gain as many as four seats, which would

00:08:56.180 do it since it's 50 50 split right now. And now they're saying the Democrats may pick up

00:09:01.960 one seat. They've moved it over into toss up. They still say the GOP could still take over.

00:09:07.320 They could gain three seats. But they're saying the Dems could actually pick up one seat.

00:09:11.020 They're now calling this a toss up. And I wonder to what we owe that. I mean, is it is it abortion?

00:09:19.420 Is it the media? Is it is what is it? You tell me. Well, I'm glad you asked this. This happens to

00:09:24.980 be like what we do in our day job when we're not just sort of being assholes and making fun of each

00:09:30.840 other. The program. Yeah. On the program. So look, there are a couple of important things to

00:09:37.400 remember. And apparently Cook political has forgotten this. It's generally a pretty good

00:09:41.720 prognosticator of things to come. But if you look at every midterm that's happened over the last 12

00:09:46.820 years, generally speaking, there's an environmental issue, political environment one way or another.

00:09:53.260 Right. In 10 and 14, they were really big headwinds for Obama and his party Democrats in Congress.

00:10:00.240 And what ultimately happened is if you look at August polling of both 10 and 14, Republicans

00:10:07.880 were either down in these Senate races or down big in all the center, like seven of seven targeted

00:10:16.020 Senate races in 2014. Senate Republicans were trailing in multiple consecutive polls.

00:10:21.840 Right. You fast forward to the end of that story. Republicans won 10 seats. Right. Not only did

00:10:27.460 they win all seven, they won three more. So it takes a while in a midterm for the political environment

00:10:33.220 to catch up to the ballot questions in Senate races. Midterms tend to be a little bit sleepier.

00:10:38.580 People don't clue in like they do to presidential races until later in the game. That is just a

00:10:43.740 historical norm that's happened over the last 12 years. Now, the one exception to that is in 2010

00:10:48.760 when it was still a good day for Republicans, but you had a couple of candidates out there. If you,

00:10:55.080 if you remember the witch, remember the witch? Yeah. Yeah. Christina O'Donnell. Christina O'Donnell.

00:11:00.480 Yeah. Yes. Her. And then Sharon Angle, uh, who started on her in Nevada. Those were two incredibly

00:11:09.020 winnable Senate races that the candidate and the campaign just couldn't execute down the stretch.

00:11:13.840 They're flawed nominees. Now the media is arguing that Republicans have incredibly flawed nominees.

00:11:20.840 I'm not sure if that's true. We're going to find out one way or another, but the environment is not

00:11:25.340 the issue. They keep saying that it's going to be, abortion has fundamentally changed the game.

00:11:29.920 Nonsense. They keep saying that like, I mean, can you imagine just for a second,

00:11:33.460 just for a second that you actually believe the American people have experienced all this

00:11:39.340 inflation, all the economic recession, dark stuff going ahead. And they're funding like electric

00:11:45.260 cars in multi trillion dollar bills. And all they're going to set that all aside and be like,

00:11:51.500 you know what? I'm a single issue voter this year. It's never happened in history. Right. But that's

00:11:54.960 the argument that they're actually making here. And so I think that Republicans have a much greater

00:12:00.100 chance than anybody has given them, given the polling that we're seeing right now. But it is

00:12:04.760 ultimately up to the candidates to try to deliver down the stretch. The the the news media coverage

00:12:10.260 of these Trump backed candidates is predictably unfair and obnoxious. You know, Carrie Leak is

00:12:16.660 somebody who's getting it from every single written publication I've read, every single mainstream media.

00:12:22.900 You know, I realize she's definitely team MAGA, but I I think she's got a shot. I think she's like

00:12:28.600 she obviously is great on camera. She's dynamic. She's kind of fun to watch. She's got a little

00:12:33.440 Trump pizzazz in her. So we'll see. Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania is getting it. There is a viral

00:12:41.960 clip of him. I don't have it cut, but there's a viral clip of him because he was in Wegmans. And I

00:12:46.120 don't know if you guys ever because you're down in the in the Beltway area. I don't know if you guys

00:12:49.840 have Wegmans there, but I'm from New York. OK, we have Wegmans and it is the most beautiful,

00:12:55.000 wonderful supermarket chain I've ever had the pleasure to step foot inside. It's awesome.

00:13:00.520 I only wish that we had a Wegmans close to me where I love Wegmans. It's like nicer than Whole

00:13:06.040 Foods because it's bigger and it's better organized and it's not like full of obnoxious people.

00:13:12.020 And yet it's got really good produce and it's well organized. I just I love Wegmans.

00:13:16.300 Anyway, apparently he was in a Wegmans and he called it a Wegners and he was picking out

00:13:22.440 like some broccoli and some kale and said, I'm going to make, you know, my wife wanted

00:13:26.460 to make a crudite and the opponent there, you know, who's more man of the people is like

00:13:35.940 in Pennsylvania, we call it a veggie plate. You know, like what do you what do you know?

00:13:40.820 He's like looking out of touch is how the mainstream will paint it. He's getting hit because he said

00:13:45.260 he had two homes, but really he has 10. Is it really a shock that Dr. Oz is a rich man?

00:13:49.160 He had a very successful show for all these years. Anyway, does any of this matter?

00:13:54.220 He's running against a guy who has been living off of his parents. He's 50 years old and he's

00:13:59.220 still getting an allowance from his parents. And he bought a house from his sister for one dollar.

00:14:03.540 One dollar. So we're talking about an opponent here who can't put a sentence together.

00:14:07.740 Somebody should say it. The guy cannot speak. And I think that I think Pennsylvania is a state

00:14:13.080 that we can win. I mean, one of the points you made is about the Trump effect and Holmes was

00:14:18.060 pointing out the midterms. But in 2016, there were Republican candidates who are polling

00:14:22.840 significantly behind their Democrat opponent in Wisconsin. Ron Johnson was was polling double

00:14:28.780 digits behind Russ Feingold. He went on to win that race in Indiana. Todd Young was polling

00:14:33.880 double digits behind Evan Bayh went on to win that race. And in Pennsylvania, you had Pat Toomey

00:14:40.840 polling behind Katie McGinty went on to win that race in 2016. So I think I think Oz can win this

00:14:47.360 race. And I think Fetterman is the kind of candidate who is offering something that suburban

00:14:52.780 Collar County voters around Philadelphia are not looking for.

00:14:56.580 I mean, the other piece of this is what the media has failed to adequately explain is let there be no

00:15:04.140 mistake. Democrats are the party of big money. Right. And they have outspent Republicans over the

00:15:09.180 summer to the tune of like five to one in every one of these races. At some point this fall, when

00:15:14.060 voters tune in, the other side of the story is going to be told. You just mentioned the Fetterman

00:15:17.740 situation. We all know the crudités story, you know, because the media dutifully does their their

00:15:23.380 job in trying to denigrate a Republican. But how many people at this point know the fact that this guy

00:15:29.300 has lived out of his parents' home and bought a house from his sister for one dollar and still gets an

00:15:34.080 allowance. Right. I mean, if we're talking out of touch for for people and families that are

00:15:38.940 struggling to buy groceries, how the hell is that in touch with anything? I mean, he's just basically

00:15:42.700 don't you want somebody who's successful? Mehmet Oz has not only run this successful television

00:15:47.360 program, but been a respected doctor. And it's like, why? Why are we so quick to demonize like

00:15:53.120 somebody who's been super hardworking and a successful person who's very relatable? I mean,

00:15:57.960 the fact that he calls the veggie tray crudités doesn't necessarily mean he can't help you.

00:16:04.420 And that's the thing. I would love to see the Oz campaign lean more into his actual story

00:16:09.320 and compare that to Fetterman. So this guy had his immigrant parents moved to this country. Right.

00:16:15.600 And what does Oz do when he's in America? What does he do with that opportunity?

00:16:18.960 He goes to Harvard. He gets a medical degree from the University of Pennsylvania.

00:16:22.740 Pennsylvania. He develops numerous heart surgery methods that he teaches as a professor of medicine

00:16:28.660 at Columbia University. This guy is the definition of someone who pulled themselves up from their

00:16:32.900 bootstraps, made something himself, and he deserves the success that he's earned. He shouldn't shy away

00:16:37.120 from any of that. And he shouldn't put up with someone like Fetterman trying to call him out with it

00:16:40.080 when everything in Fetterman's life's been handed to him.

00:16:42.540 And also, I mean, Fetterman, given his health problems, maybe he should be reaching more for the

00:16:46.140 crudités than the cheese steak. Well, that's exactly right. He should become familiar with the crudités.

00:16:51.080 He can't speak because he had a stroke and then he's been basically not in the public eye ever

00:16:56.200 since. And it is sort of bizarre. I mean, I guess I'm sort of used to this now because I've seen this

00:17:00.900 happen over more recent cycles in politics. But there is, you know, obviously a huge disconnect

00:17:06.540 between Twitter and what voters actually care about. But because the media spends all day on

00:17:12.340 the platform, the narratives start to get built around what happens there, even though the actual

00:17:18.380 reach to voters is so very small. And so it's like, yeah, I mean, Fetterman, like you said,

00:17:22.620 Ashbrook, who can barely string, you know, three sentences together is, you know, launching all

00:17:27.240 these Twitter dunks from like left wing zoomers. While like, I mean, the guy's been like hiding in

00:17:33.220 his house for the last three months. I mean, that's what I'm saying is like the media is more

00:17:36.240 concerned with the way that Dr. Oz pronounces vegetables and the fact that John Fetterman is

00:17:40.140 a vegetable. Yeah, he's not going to do on camera. He's not going to do debates.

00:17:43.920 We're going to get letters on that one, Megan. What else is new? It was funny because I will

00:17:48.640 admit when I was, I don't know, 22 or so on right around there. My family member got married and I was

00:17:56.440 looking at the the planned offering at the wedding and it said that word crudite. And I said, what's

00:18:02.400 crudite? My sister was like, ah, you don't know. I truly am a woman of the people. We didn't have

00:18:11.620 such things growing up. We had hell of a good French onion dip and carrots. And it was the bomb

00:18:16.720 and chips at every like, you know, Super Bowl Thanksgiving. It's you know what? Show me something

00:18:22.800 that beats hell of a good French onion dip as an offering. And I'll buy it because in 51 years of

00:18:28.520 life, I haven't found it. You can't beat it. You can't beat it. Now, I mean, I think most of our

00:18:34.360 dining accoutrements were basically like steaks and potatoes. Yeah. I get a burger mixed in some

00:18:40.620 fries, maybe some chips. I mean, that's like I didn't know what the crudite did. Well, now

00:18:44.840 now it's like, OK, I could go to Wegmans if I had one nearby. I can go to Whole Foods. I can buy all

00:18:50.420 the fanciest foods and cheeses and whatever that they are. Hell of a good. That's what I want. If I ever

00:18:55.700 come over to your house and you know what I want with it, I want ruffles with the ridges.

00:19:00.020 That's yes. I love the ruffles with the ridges in the hell of a good. Leave me there. Five pounds

00:19:05.180 later, I'll be happy as a pig. And you know what? It'll be great. That's exactly right. It's like

00:19:09.820 people put together the charcuterie boards with the cheese and the salami and everything. And that

00:19:14.180 makes for a great Instagram post. But let's be serious. At the end of the day, you want the French

00:19:18.640 onion dip. You want the Velveeta cheese. You want the ruffles chips. You want the pigs in a blanket

00:19:23.380 bought from Costco. You don't need them. You know, then not no fancier than that. You get

00:19:27.240 them from Costco. You shove them in the oven. Bigger, the better. They're amazing. Like

00:19:31.000 that comfort food is what everybody wants. They don't want it. Dr. Oz needs to learn that

00:19:35.780 they don't want broccoli and they definitely don't want. It's a shame when you're a doctor,

00:19:40.980 you know, you're trying to help people. I mean, veteran men can always be like, no,

00:19:44.060 I'd rather have a cheese steak. We see where that's done. Well, in Philly, that should fly.

00:19:48.980 Well, we'll see. I mean, I can just see it's like you unless you step back, you don't realize how the

00:19:54.700 media will work to destroy any Republican running for office. You know, last week we had Tim Scott on

00:20:00.380 and we played the soundbite from Ellie Mistal, who's the correspondent for The Nation. And he's

00:20:06.520 on MSNBC all the time. He's a he's a black man. And he went off on the biggest racist rant about

00:20:12.720 Herschel Walker, Senate candidate down in Georgia. It was stunning. I mean, it's amazing to me. I realize

00:20:18.600 he's a black man doing the racist rant. That doesn't excuse it. It was absolutely disgraceful.

00:20:24.620 And, you know, that just passes for news on MSNBC and people move on. It's like poor Herschel

00:20:29.220 Walker's getting the Clarence Thomas treatment and the treatment that so many black conservatives

00:20:33.300 have gotten time after time. Nary an eyebrow has raised. You notice how anti-racism has a lot of

00:20:40.420 similarities to just plain old racism. Yeah. Yeah. Lots. Oh, it's like what you get out of the left.

00:20:47.500 Like, you don't need to boil down the thought process here. They are frankly offended by the

00:20:53.860 idea that an African-American man in this country can have conservative views. They have taken this

00:20:59.000 population for granted as part of the Democratic voting bloc, absolutely in perpetuity for as long

00:21:04.300 as, well, my entire lifetime anyway. And so anytime you get a Herschel Walker or a Tim Scott or somebody

00:21:10.300 who is trying to help educate people on the principles of conservatism,

00:21:14.040 they personally are attacked. Right. And oftentimes in an incredibly racist way that

00:21:19.740 even genuine racists are like, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned Senator Tim Scott. I don't know

00:21:25.940 if you heard this story about when he submitted an op ed to The New York Times. Barry Weiss, who I know

00:21:30.680 is a is a, you know, widely read friend of the show. She told this story about how his submission to

00:21:37.300 The New York Times was blocked, not by somebody at The New York Times, by Chuck Schumer.

00:21:42.840 Chuck Schumer. They ran it by Chuck Schumer. Yeah. He said no. You start to realize that

00:21:48.780 anti-racism is gatekeeping what's allowed to be black in America. Bingo. That's what I mean,

00:21:54.540 that's what it is. That's weird how Democrats feel like they have some sort of ownership over black

00:21:59.320 people. Like maybe historically there's something there. Old trends die hard. So speaking of media

00:22:08.060 and giving a pass where one shouldn't, let's talk about the General Michael Hayden tweet.

00:22:14.920 So General Michael Hayden, who used to run the CIA, has made his views of Republicans known. And boy,

00:22:22.780 oh boy, the timing couldn't be better or worse, depending on your viewpoint, because

00:22:26.300 we're in the midst of, you know, hardcore MAGA absolutely believing that there's a deep state,

00:22:31.380 believing that it's behind the raid on Mar-a-Lago, believing that you can't believe a word out of

00:22:36.460 our intelligence agencies or our Department of Justice and the FBI. And at this very moment,

00:22:42.900 General Michael Hayden sends out an insane tweet. OK, so here first is Ed Luce, who's an associate

00:22:49.460 editor of The Financial Times, who tweets out as follows. This tweet was 812, but the Hayden thing just

00:22:55.760 came out yesterday. He tweets out, quote, again, this is loose. Quote, I've covered extremism and

00:23:00.540 violent ideologies around the world over my career, have never come across a political force

00:23:05.500 more nihilistic, dangerous and contemptible than today's Republicans. Nothing close. OK, he's never

00:23:13.380 encountered something more dangerous, contemptible. General Michael Hayden tweets out. I agree.

00:23:19.600 And I was the CIA director. So Michael Hayden, ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda has never come across a

00:23:31.220 political force. I never know whether it's nihilistic or nihilistic. I've heard people say

00:23:36.180 it different ways. I say nine nihilistic, dangerous and contemptible than the Republican Party.

00:23:42.740 What do you think? I'm going to put I'm going to put a quarter

00:23:46.260 in Duncan's back and wind the toy. Yeah. Just and just let him go. I think we'll all appreciate

00:23:53.020 this. Well, I think, number one, I mean, his his his contract must be up for renewal at MSNBC

00:23:58.980 to tweet something that outrageous. And I you know, I mean, it's a perfect demonstration of why there's

00:24:04.440 so much skepticism, I think, on the right and, you know, historically on the left, you know,

00:24:09.060 with our intelligence agencies, you look at these people like James Clapper, you look at the people

00:24:13.600 like Brennan or, you know, Hayden, and you look at people like Schiff who use the intelligence,

00:24:20.360 you know, apparatus in this country as this sort of shield to say whatever they want,

00:24:25.420 no matter how outrageous it is. And I think it really undermines their credibility when they

00:24:29.800 do things like that. And I mean, you know, I mean, there there are a host of examples going back

00:24:34.600 to Russiagate in the early days of the Trump administration that prove out that these

00:24:38.860 people don't have any idea what they're doing, you know, James Comey all the way down. And it's

00:24:43.380 like, I don't know what they expect. Well, I mean, look, Hayden was in this line of work when they

00:24:48.340 bombed the World Trade Center the first time he was in that line of work when the same people took

00:24:53.080 out Kobar Towers. Right. He was in that same line of work when 9-11 happened over a 25 year period of

00:25:00.060 time, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden Associates took out an enormous amount of of Americans and allies

00:25:08.600 in pursuit of an ideology that is so dangerous and extreme, like we don't even need to cover it.

00:25:13.980 Right. But the fact that that is sort of glossed over, by the way, Hayden worked in all of these

00:25:18.740 places. Yes. While that shit was going on. Right. So now today's Republican Party, because it presents

00:25:24.020 a different alternative to whatever's going on on MSNBC, is somehow equated with Bin Laden.

00:25:29.560 I mean, come on, man. It's just it's it's disgusting. The FBI tried to trap the former president of the

00:25:34.400 United States by showing up when he won election and said, congratulations, Mr. President-elect.

00:25:40.700 Hey, did you pee on Russian prostitutes? Day one. Yeah, that's what James Comey did. And then he ran

00:25:46.560 downstairs like a good little boy scout into his car and typed out a bunch of notes and tried to

00:25:52.120 leak them to the media to start the the independent investigation and Russiagate and all that bullshit.

00:25:57.580 Like, I don't know. It seems like they were wrong about that. I mean, there's so much to go into on

00:26:02.660 that tweet. I think the funniest part to start with is at the very bottom, it says

00:26:06.160 tweet sent from McLean, Virginia. So he's in his mansion and like this wealthy suburb in D.C.

00:26:13.180 popping out takes an iPad to impress MSNBC, get that contract renewal. Is this someone who's seen

00:26:18.540 ISIS set people on fire to execute them for execution videos? And honestly, can I just say

00:26:24.340 he's like, no, no, no. Honestly, it's got to be it's got to be the GOP who's far more extreme than

00:26:30.120 them. You may want to go with dangerous if you're a political opponent for the Republicans,

00:26:33.860 contemptible. OK, I get it. You don't like Republicans, but truly nihilistic. I mean,

00:26:38.900 like absence of moral. You don't believe in moral principles. You don't believe in religious

00:26:42.600 principles. You believe life is meaningless. In what world does that describe Republicans?

00:26:46.960 Even arguably, they're the party of pro-life of trying to protect unborn babies. They're the party

00:26:53.000 of that tends to be more religious. They're the party that used to be very lecturing about moral

00:26:58.200 codes and so on. Like even arguably, I don't know how you get to nihilistic, but that's his

00:27:02.740 worldview. And it's not just Michael Hayden's. You know, like it's it's why people believe that the CIA,

00:27:09.000 that the FBI, that the DOJ would do whatever it took to get Donald Trump to get him out of office,

00:27:14.600 to get him from winning a second term. This is why core Republicans continue to believe that they

00:27:18.560 stole the election to get him from being able to run again. And that brings me to Sam Harris,

00:27:24.160 who I like. I really like Sam. I think he's brilliant. He's been great on things like,

00:27:28.320 you know, being honest about what radical Islam means to the United States. By the way,

00:27:33.040 we should talk about Salman Rushdie at some point. But he and he's been very great in defending cops

00:27:38.940 and all the the lies that have been told about them. So he's a sort of non woke, left leaning guy.

00:27:45.500 And he's interesting. He's not religious. He's an atheist. He does a lot on that.

00:27:49.300 But he hates Donald Trump. And every once in a while, he's very helpful for like a window into

00:27:57.580 how people who really hate Donald Trump think. So he gave an interview to our pal, our pals who do

00:28:06.920 the blanking on the name of their podcast. I've been on it and I love it. Come on, Constantine.

00:28:12.940 Yeah, it's Constantine Kisnes podcast. What's it called? Triggernometry. Thank you, team. Triggernometry.

00:28:19.720 It's also super fun to listen to. Gives him an interview and listen to what he said about Hunter

00:28:25.840 Biden. I mean, Hunter Biden at that point, Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of

00:28:32.400 children in his basement. I would not have cared. Right. It's like there's nothing. First of all,

00:28:38.240 it's Hunter Biden. Right. It's not it's like it's not Joe Biden. But even if Joe like even

00:28:43.860 whatever scope of Joe Biden's corruption is like if you if we could just go down that rabbit hole

00:28:49.420 endlessly and and understand that he's getting kickbacks from Hunter Biden's deals in Ukraine

00:28:54.780 or wherever else. Right. Or China. It is infinitesimal compared to the corruption we know

00:29:03.380 Trump is involved in. It's like it's like it's like a firefly to the sun. Right. I mean, like

00:29:08.200 there's just it doesn't even it doesn't even stack up against Trump University. Right. Trump University

00:29:14.240 as a story is worse than anything that could be in Hunter Biden's laptop, in my view. Right. Now,

00:29:21.160 that's not that doesn't answer the people who say it's still completely unfair to not have looked at

00:29:27.520 the laptop in a timely way and to have shut down the, you know, the New York Post's Twitter account like

00:29:32.640 that's that's a just a conspiracy. That's a left wing conspiracy to deny the presidency to Donald

00:29:38.500 Trump. Absolutely. It was absolutely right. But I think it was warranted.

00:29:45.160 It's just unbelievable. It's just insane. And what what Hayden did was take that insanity and apply

00:29:52.060 it to half of this country. Yep. Right. And said, all Republicans are terrible people. And I just I just

00:29:58.160 think that these guys, you know, Senator Grassley, I don't know if you guys have seen this. He has sent

00:30:04.560 three letters to the FBI asking them to explain what he's been what's been reported by whistleblowers

00:30:11.580 to his committee about political favoritism. They're not going after Hunter Biden. They are going after

00:30:17.840 Donald Trump. And the FBI is non-responsive to Senator Grassley. I think that's that's a mistake

00:30:24.060 on their part. I think you should be responsive to Senator Grassley. If he's shown anything, he's

00:30:28.000 tenacious in this life at 80 years old, getting up at four in the morning, running five miles a day.

00:30:33.520 But I just to your point about the division in this country and the mistrust of institutions,

00:30:39.700 the FBI Democrats are not doing anything to heal any of that. What's this dude? So I don't know this

00:30:46.860 dude. Apparently you do. I got one of the most successful popular podcasts out there. If Steve

00:30:54.300 Cracker on my EP will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was his mother who was the executive

00:30:58.760 producer of Golden Girls, which is OK. All right. Well, that's a hell of a show. Yeah, that's a lot

00:31:04.600 of good. Thank you for being a friend. Yes. He's a deep thinker. He's very into like meditation

00:31:11.900 and he's got a lot of thoughts on politics. He's all over the board. Like you never kind of know

00:31:15.780 where he's going to. But he's been very clear in his hatred for Donald Trump. And even when he came

00:31:20.660 on my program shortly after we launched, we had an argument just like this. I was making some

00:31:25.640 criticisms of Joe Biden. And as I recall, he said something to the effect of. Do they compare?

00:31:30.900 Like, do you do you really think there's a comparison there, you know, between? I don't know.

00:31:35.960 Megan, I don't know if he must have not had the privilege of seeing what's in Hunter Biden's laptop,

00:31:41.160 because I don't think he'd be so dismissive of that in the pictures in particular. I think

00:31:46.620 they're scarring, scarring image on all those. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I guess what I actually

00:31:54.480 appreciate it, because this is a real commitment to the bit like this is really putting the blue

00:31:59.200 jersey on and saying I'm right or die. And I can appreciate that, you know, as somebody who's a

00:32:04.060 Colts fan. And, you know, I mean, basically, basically what I'm saying here is like, you know,

00:32:09.740 when you're not having a lot of success and as a Colts fan, you know, you you we won one Super

00:32:15.680 Bowl, but it became more important than making the playoffs was just beating the Patriots.

00:32:22.820 You know what I mean? And so like anything could happen. But as long as we beat the Patriots during

00:32:28.160 the regular season, we had a good season. And it's sort of like that. They've gotten that obsessed

00:32:32.960 with Donald Trump that they don't care about anything else. They're just like, we just got to get

00:32:37.040 them. Yeah. As long as we get Donald Trump, it was all worth it. You know what I mean? And it's

00:32:40.880 just like it's just to justify the means. It's ends justify the means policy and procedure and

00:32:46.860 practice. And that's truly I mean, that is at the heart of why Republicans distrust the results

00:32:53.720 of the last election, distrust the DOJ and the FBI, distrust the CIA. They believe that General Michael

00:33:02.060 Hayden, Jim Comey, Christopher Wray, who heads up the FBI now, Merrick Garland all share the ideology

00:33:09.980 that Sam Harris just said out loud. And it's dangerous if it's the policy or practice of people

00:33:17.460 in those positions. Let me pause you because we'll pick it back up right there with the latest on the

00:33:23.580 Trump raid and what's happening in court today as that skepticism continues by at least half, if not

00:33:31.040 more of the country. Stand by. This all leads us to this discussion, this distrust in these agencies

00:33:41.740 that really, I mean, what you can call it deep state and call it whatever you want. They hate

00:33:45.160 Donald Trump. They've been pretty open about it. They've been out to get him for his entire four

00:33:49.420 years and remain out to get him two years post presidency. And I 100 percent believe that's what

00:33:54.720 was behind the FBI raid the other week. I believe Trump's got documents at Mar-a-Lago that maybe he's not

00:34:00.460 technically allowed to have doesn't justify what we saw. That's that's my take. Not even close.

00:34:06.680 So we're going to get more information on exactly what went down there. But what's happened now is

00:34:11.280 the DOJ released the warrant that they used that they got from the judge to go in there and seize the

00:34:17.280 documents. But they didn't release the real money document, which is the affidavit in support of the

00:34:24.540 warrant. And it wouldn't be normal for them to release that at this point in the case, because normally it

00:34:30.420 kind of shows your whole case and it could it could reveal sources, could reveal confidential

00:34:34.900 informants, could reveal more about your case than you want the defendant to see. But right now, the

00:34:40.340 media has filed a request that that the government release it or that the judge release it. And the

00:34:45.420 DOJ claims that they they don't want it released yet because they'd have to redact the entire document.

00:34:51.700 And Trump is saying he wants to see it. So, look, I don't think what's going to happen that they're

00:34:57.180 going in court today. I don't think the judge is going to release this. Not yet. It's too early in

00:35:01.200 the case. But but it's sort of it raises some interesting questions because normally Andy

00:35:06.000 McCarthy was pointing this out. Normally, you don't you don't execute a search warrant like the FBI did

00:35:10.820 until you're about to make an arrest. Like once you have enough to get a search warrant like this,

00:35:14.920 you have enough to get an arrest. And all of the data as to why those things would be justified will be in

00:35:19.380 this affidavit. And the question really is whether they're getting ready to arrest Donald Trump.

00:35:23.700 And that's why they don't want to show us what's in this thing or what's happening next.

00:35:28.140 But I wonder whether this winds up in an indictment and tears the country apart or they

00:35:33.900 try to slink away saying we got our boxes back. Never mind all that shit we did down at Mar-a-Lago.

00:35:39.780 Just trust us. He's a criminal. What do you guys think? Look, I think a good place to start with

00:35:45.200 this is that it's an unprecedented thing that just happened. Right. It never before has the

00:35:52.020 administration of a of a president rated a another president who happened to be a political opponent

00:35:59.320 and perhaps a future political opponent. Right. I mean, obviously, anybody with a brain can see

00:36:05.200 how that could be problematic. But the precedent itself of rating the House of a former president

00:36:11.840 is so high. It is so high. One of two things needs to happen. Right. Either they have to have

00:36:18.540 some unbelievable evidence of some kind of documents in there with intent to like distribute it

00:36:25.760 or you need the entire Department of Justice to resign immediately. Right. One of those two things

00:36:33.060 needs to be the case. You can't slink away with boxes. That doesn't work because you've just thrown the

00:36:38.720 country into absolute turmoil. It is not a paper pushing conduct. You don't do something like that

00:36:45.080 over an accounting mechanism of documents that need to go to the National Archives or whatever.

00:36:50.880 I mean, we don't know. Candidly, to the point that you were making earlier about nobody's

00:36:54.740 trusts these guys anymore. Yeah. I mean, they won't release the affidavit,

00:36:58.860 but you can helpfully read in The New York Times and Washington Post that they were talking about

00:37:02.280 nuclear secrets. Right. Right. Meanwhile, we have no idea what that means. We have no idea what that

00:37:06.860 means. Does it mean like just a general discussion about how Iran's likely to, you know, to be

00:37:11.320 pursuing a bomb? The North Koreans like it could be anything. The intimation on cable news is he was

00:37:17.160 passing nuclear codes to somebody like this is how you launch our weapons. This is how we built our

00:37:21.120 bombs. And we're supposed to trust, you know, that sourcing in The New York Times based on people

00:37:29.000 like Michael Hayden, who say if a Republican is a terrorist worse than ISIS. Like, how do you square that

00:37:34.980 circle? And then you got, you know, people talking after the Trump raid about, you know,

00:37:38.860 tone policing about like, well, let's not, you know, say bad things about the FBI and all that.

00:37:43.700 I'm like, look, yeah, tone could be better. But like you're calling Republicans terrorists.

00:37:49.680 Merrick Garland and the FBI put every parent who went to a PTA meeting on the domestic terrorist list.

00:37:55.620 Like, I'm sorry, but you're giving us a lot of reasons to be pretty skeptical.

00:37:58.900 Spare your lectures. This is coming on on the heels of six months of these people telling us

00:38:05.600 there's nothing to see here on Hunter Biden. Don't don't even worry. He's fine. He's clean.

00:38:09.900 Nothing to worry about with Hunter Biden. It's not it's not something that anybody and four years

00:38:14.200 of Russiagate, including Hayden. I mean, that's what really bothers me is that you had how many

00:38:21.140 investigations have already occurred on Donald Trump and he hasn't been guilty of any of this.

00:38:26.680 They spent years pushing this Russian conspiracy on the public. How many newscasters,

00:38:32.080 how many of these journalists got their books about how Donald Trump's a KGB agent on the New

00:38:36.140 York Times bestseller list? All of them made a career off of it. All of them made money on it.

00:38:39.980 Now we found out an FBI testimony that like, yeah, you know, none of that was actually real.

00:38:44.480 None of them have issued redactions. None of them gave back the money to people. Oh,

00:38:47.980 I'm issuing a refund. Everything I said about Russia and Donald Trump's a KGB agent was bullshit.

00:38:52.720 No, none of them have to apologize. They make their money. They're fine. They're happy.

00:38:56.920 fooling the public and lying to the public and saying that Donald Trump is is has a nuclear

00:39:02.380 bomb in Mar-a-Lago. Like, how ridiculous is it? And when Merrick Garland gets on that podium and

00:39:06.940 says, I take responsibility, the buck stops here. I authorize that raid. This is the guy who, like,

00:39:12.880 like, like Ashbrook mentioned, put parents or dunk mesh, put parents on a tarot watch list,

00:39:18.060 right, for showing up to PTA meetings, has allowed mobs to form and run amok outside the houses of

00:39:24.100 Supreme Court justices after an attempt was made on the life of Justice Kavanaugh. So so his focus

00:39:30.120 is on what is on punishing a guy who I wonder why. Well, let's not forget Obama promises Merrick

00:39:35.480 Garland a Supreme Court justice seat and he doesn't get it. And Trump appoints a replacement. Maybe he's

00:39:40.300 got personal reasons he's doing this kind of let's not forget how he wound up in this situation.

00:39:44.800 Politics of Merrick Garland aside. I mean, they went to the right person. But in The Federalist,

00:39:50.640 they had a great piece the other day and it was outlining the fact that this guy,

00:39:54.360 the record keeper at the National Archives, is sounds like a partisan hack. He was saying that

00:39:59.660 before he launched this whole thing by realizing Trump probably had documents down in Mar-a-Lago that

00:40:05.060 were technically supposed to be with the archivist and not with Trump, even though most, if not all

00:40:09.740 of these will ultimately probably wind up in Trump's presidential library. But there's an interim

00:40:13.640 period where this guy wants to control them and with everybody else has controlled them.

00:40:18.100 This guy resigned under President Biden saying, I want to make sure that this administration

00:40:23.100 replaces me and talked about how January 6th was the worst day of his entire life.

00:40:27.900 So this does not sound like somebody who is in any way a Trump fan. And this is the guy who,

00:40:32.980 when he realized that he didn't think he had all the boxes back and when Trump returned those 15

00:40:37.220 boxes a couple of months ago, said, oh, there's classified information in here, went to the DOJ.

00:40:41.720 And the next thing you know, they're opening up a grand jury proceeding, which is extraordinary,

00:40:46.320 right? Like, why are you going right to the grand jury route? Why wouldn't there be more

00:40:50.580 of a negotiation? Why wouldn't there be more back and forth like we did with the Clintons when they

00:40:55.140 stole almost $200,000 worth of furniture from the White House? There's a negotiation, you see?

00:41:00.100 And the Clintons wound up paying about half of that back to the United States. But in any event,

00:41:05.000 they went nuclear right away, like grand jury open. Let's get let's get it on. And that's what

00:41:10.060 culminated in this FBI raid. So this bureaucrat who clearly didn't like Trump went to another

00:41:16.320 bureaucrat, essentially Merrick Garland. And Merrick Garland smelled an opportunity

00:41:20.580 as the Democrats in the media were leaning on him to get Trump on January 6th.

00:41:24.720 This would be the fishing expedition he wanted because this was not limited in any way to

00:41:29.020 classify documents. This was this was a huge net cast as widely as possible. He got all of the

00:41:34.680 documents that he could possibly get, including, you know, stuff from Melania's closet, stuff from,

00:41:39.180 you know, the safe, which, by the way, would have required a separate showing of cause.

00:41:43.300 So I'm really interested to know what was in the safe because they say nothing.

00:41:46.120 So what what did he hear was in the safe? Who told you something was in the safe and what's

00:41:50.220 best? So I want to read the affidavit and it finally comes out. But in any event, that's why

00:41:53.400 it all smells so partisan. And the thing that I see happening is if either they indict Trump,

00:41:57.440 we get to see all that's in that affidavit or they don't indict Trump and they never have to

00:42:01.800 release it. All we have to live with is this stupid leaks to The New York Times and The Washington

00:42:05.920 Post, which are partisan and selective and we'll never get to press them.

00:42:09.800 Yeah. You notice how it's it's there's only one party left in this country that believes

00:42:15.940 in the blindfold over lady justice. Right. I mean, this is supposed to be justice applied

00:42:22.320 equally under the law for all Americans. And you look back with like, I think it was Clapper.

00:42:28.300 Mm hmm. You clearly have Fauci lying. What? Congressional testimony. What's the name of

00:42:35.760 the porn lawyer? Avenatti. Avenatti. Creepy porn lawyer to you.

00:42:40.780 Julie Swetnick. Rolls in Julie Swetnick to abjectly lie and accuse Justice Kavanaugh of being

00:42:48.120 a serial date rapist. Right. And gang rapist.

00:42:51.260 Gang group. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gang rapist. So. So. But the important part about that is that

00:42:56.120 the the Judiciary Committee in the Senate actually referred that specific case to the Department of

00:43:03.200 Justice for prosecution. Right. Seems like a pretty cut and dry case to me. Did he or did he

00:43:08.700 not do it? We all saw him on TV doing it. They clearly that is the case. Where's the prosecution?

00:43:14.340 Right. Where is the prosecution of Clapper and misleading Congress? And yet, you know, everybody on

00:43:19.900 the right has this immediate inundation. They're either investigated, they're indicted or in some

00:43:25.680 cases like Steve Bannon were convicted. And you have to just step back for a minute. Right. And let's

00:43:31.520 not even excuse any of the behavior that led to the ultimate indictments. Why is it that they're only

00:43:39.200 applied to Republicans? That is a massive problem. The precedent of rating a president. You can understand

00:43:47.540 how there are a bunch of Republicans out there that would also seek to use if they got their hands

00:43:52.940 back on on power. The Department of Justice in a similar way that Democrats have now been using it

00:43:57.600 for the last 20 years. That is an incredibly dangerous precedent. Right. But so that's why I say

00:44:03.040 if this is like a paperwork issue and he didn't have documents that he or he had them that he

00:44:09.300 should have had and that's it. They need to gut the entire Department of Justice, Ray Garland and

00:44:15.200 everybody else. Throw their asses out of there. They should be looked at for criminal proceedings.

00:44:20.600 And then you should look back and try to rebuild justice in this country in a way that people have

00:44:24.620 faith in because currently they do not. And if it was something like more serious, I think rating the

00:44:30.640 former president's house requires a radical level of transparency. Right. Like, like, yeah, that's the

00:44:36.700 only way you restore trust to people is like a radically transparent process. And then let the people

00:44:42.820 decide for themselves, not this cloak and dagger bullshit that we've gone through for the last five

00:44:47.300 years on all the way back to Russiagate. You know, remember this? It was always, oh, no, I've seen proof

00:44:51.540 of collusion. I can't tell you about it just yet, but I'm going to go on cable news every night and

00:44:55.120 say I found it. And then, of course, it didn't happen. The Mueller report comes out and there was

00:44:59.360 no collusion. Then it's on to the next thing. Then it's on to the next thing. And I'm very worried

00:45:03.380 this is going to be one more thing to your point, Megan, that they're going to go and they're going to get

00:45:07.540 all the right TPS reports from Trump that he wasn't supposed to have. And then we're not going to hear

00:45:11.660 anything else about it. Right. But then it's going to be another thing for the left to talk

00:45:15.460 about every night on cable news about how you remember that thing with the nukes, because I

00:45:19.260 read about it in the New York Times. I never saw any proof, but it happened. And I mean, I think

00:45:22.820 that's exactly I think I think Duncan perfectly encapsulated what has happened. So this the left

00:45:28.220 is no longer instituted in trying to, like, restore faith in any sort of institution. They've

00:45:32.880 become completely politicized from top to bottom where you have. I think Kavanaugh is a perfect

00:45:37.700 example of this. Everyone has learned that all the lies that porn lawyer told about Justice Kavanaugh

00:45:43.520 were absolute lies, creepy, but a lawyer. But but but you've got half of America who believes to this

00:45:50.300 day that they were true. And for the rest of his life, I mean, we all saw the images of Kavanaugh's

00:45:54.560 wife behind him in tears hearing these lies said about her husband on national TV. It's awful to see

00:46:01.360 that a man who led who worked so hard to get to this position. And they spread the left does this

00:46:07.180 is they spread lies about individuals and let them hang there because they know there's no

00:46:11.300 consequences that they face. The media is on their side. And how how justice happens in this country

00:46:16.220 doesn't inspire a lot of confidence because creepy porn lawyer can lie before the Senate Judiciary

00:46:20.740 Committee and face no consequences. But he shakes down Nike. Yeah, right. You can't. And then you go

00:46:25.300 right. And the left's like, don't touch one of our corporation. You can't touch that. It's

00:46:30.180 unbelievable. That's right. And that's what's finally got him booted from CNN to his his shaking

00:46:35.400 down of Nike and got him swept up in the criminal law. And then we found out all the things he was

00:46:38.920 secretly stealing from Stormy Daniels behind the scene. And his explanation was, I got too close

00:46:44.260 to the sun. Can I tell you, one of my proudest journalistic moments was I had creepy porn lawyer

00:46:51.480 on my show when I was at NBC. And this is during the love fest by the left against this guy. And I gave

00:46:56.920 him such a hard time. And it was so fun because he was totally expecting me to give him a pass,

00:47:01.880 you know, I guess because I was at NBC. I remember thinking to myself, a simple Google search would

00:47:06.120 have disabused you from that notion, sir. You don't want to come on prepared to Megan. No,

00:47:13.320 no, no. And you know what? And the guy representing Trump came on, too. And I gave him a tough time as

00:47:17.740 well. So it was like fair and balanced. Good times. All right. Standby, because there's so much more to

00:47:21.560 get to it. We've got to get to Olbermann. We got to get to Fauci and COVID and the CDC investigating

00:47:27.480 itself. What they really say is they've been too smart. They've been too academic. They've been

00:47:32.220 really too focused on scholarly articles. And that's really how they're going to revamp.

00:47:37.220 Do you feel better? We'll get to that. And also Afghanistan and what the guys think of that.

00:47:42.960 The Ruthless podcast guys are with us for the whole show. And don't forget, you can find the

00:47:46.880 Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. We got a youtube.com

00:47:53.140 slash Megyn Kelly if you want to watch it or you can subscribe as a podcast listener if you prefer

00:47:57.740 that means of getting your news. I meant to mention this before. Presidential historian Michael

00:48:06.820 Beschloss had tweeted out something when the Trump news broke, you know, the reporting by Washington Post

00:48:11.580 that this was nuclear secrets or nuclear information he had at Mar-a-Lago. He sent out a tweet

00:48:16.680 that basically said it cited how the Rosenbergs, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, were convicted for

00:48:24.360 giving U.S. nuclear secrets to Moscow and were executed June of 1953. He just happened to tweet

00:48:30.580 that right as that news broke. And what's his name? He tweeted, Hayden responded by tweeting,

00:48:38.100 sounds about right. My God.

00:48:41.840 I know. So, yeah. Now Trump's the same as the Rosenberg.

00:48:47.460 There's so many layers to this. So I think Beschloss, this is something that really, you know,

00:48:51.740 thank you for bringing this up. This guy is the worst hack in the game. Passes himself off as being

00:48:58.080 some kind of like a historian, you know. I'm just very interested in the subject and I want to

00:49:02.400 educate people. Well, unlike unlike some folks I know who got a contract with NBC and had some

00:49:08.380 integrity, he gave all his up. His was for sale. So now he all he does is he just runs all the damn

00:49:14.560 attack lines. He's attacking Dr. Oz today. He's calling Donald Trump the Rosenbergs. He's completely

00:49:20.940 lost the script because he's getting paid to do this. And the fact that yet again, it completely

00:49:25.400 undermines any faith that the American people should have in our justice system and in administration

00:49:29.980 when the CIA director is like, sounds about right. Well, you just didn't McLean drop intakes.

00:49:34.460 You look at the last last few years, last five years of American.

00:49:40.460 And politics seems like our Intel officers, you know, with COVID, like some quote unquote scientists,

00:49:46.740 epidemiologists, everyone was an epidemiologist on Twitter for two years. And now historians are all

00:49:52.640 in this battle to see who can provide more left wing takes online every day. It's like the

00:49:58.500 politicization of everything. It's it's terrible. I hate it. Did you see?

00:50:03.300 I like the way he said that. He's become a dem attack. He meant to say that's it. It's a it's a

00:50:09.400 dem attack. Did you see Biden brought all those turds into the Oval Office? No. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:50:15.440 Beschloss and like all the pseudo historians that they came in ostensibly to talk about the very

00:50:21.400 serious nature of the of the threat to democracy here in America. Right. I mean, with like a newly

00:50:27.600 elected president. Right. I can't I literally don't know where to begin to express my total

00:50:33.640 disinterest in everything that those people have to say from here on out. I loathe these people.

00:50:38.240 It is. Oh, it's disgusting. It's like the same thing as like you get those like new reporters

00:50:42.240 who are like fresh out of journalism school, total waste of money. But anyways, they're fresh out of

00:50:47.260 there. They get the first ride on Air Force One. They take their selfies with the M&Ms and then they're

00:50:52.440 like, I have been bought. I will push whatever you want me to say, Joe Biden. Thank you for the

00:50:57.360 M&Ms photo that I sent to my mom. Anything you need said. That's what's becoming of the whole

00:51:02.000 institution. You know, Beschloss is a perfect example of this, where you give this guy one

00:51:06.000 White House visit. You know what happened there? Joe Biden was like, OK, man, well, Joe Biden probably

00:51:10.360 couldn't say it. So Joe Biden's in the corner probably being fed pudding by a nurse and his aides

00:51:14.640 are like, OK, so Beschloss, here's what we need you to tweet out. Do you do this for us?

00:51:17.580 Absolutely. Oh, my God. Can I just show you something? Because Biden, when he signed the

00:51:22.900 Inflation Reduction Act the other day, he was very happy about it and had another senior moment

00:51:29.860 where he shook the hands of those present. Then he stopped to put on his mask and then appeared to

00:51:35.380 have forgotten in that two seconds that he'd already shook the hands of all those people.

00:51:39.620 Here's the video. For those of you listening, this is what's happening there. They're clapping

00:51:44.220 there. He's signing. They're clapping. Now he's putting on his mask. He's already shaking

00:51:52.020 everyone's hands. Oh, geez.

00:51:55.500 He doesn't know what to do. Oh, there we go. Double high five.

00:51:59.020 More shaking. Honestly, it's like the media is they're not interested in President Biden's

00:52:04.320 mental health at all. But, you know, they'll talk about Mehmet Oz and crudité all day long.

00:52:09.280 Oh, my God. How are we not concerned about this guy? Right. I mean, it's we are literally every day.

00:52:15.440 It's what do you make of Carolyn Mahoney of New York, of the Upper West Side, where I used to live?

00:52:19.860 Democratic Congresswoman saying, quote, off the record, but it was on the record. The New York

00:52:23.140 Times. He's not running again. Like, I mean, she she might know. She stepped in it a few times.

00:52:28.200 You know, I mean, I think she also had had an issue on CNN where she said something similar a while ago.

00:52:33.020 And then she had to go back on for a struggle session where she publicly, you know, recanted

00:52:38.140 and said, oh, Joe Biden, please run again. Pretty please. Well, she would direct the camera like it

00:52:42.440 was a hostage. Right. Yeah. Right. She was like talking directly to him. Yeah. I mean, I feel like

00:52:47.880 she might know she's pretty high up in Democratic politics. Like, I don't know, maybe it's just her

00:52:52.780 speculation. But yeah, you look at him. There's another one of those every day where you think he

00:52:57.040 can't possibly. But listen, it's one thing to just forget whose hand you you've been shaking.

00:53:01.520 It's quite another to, you know, pull us out of Afghanistan and completely embarrass the nation

00:53:06.020 and our military. And that's when his poll numbers fell. They're rising again. I will say

00:53:10.240 they're going up a little bit as the gas prices go down. His poll numbers go up a bit. I don't know

00:53:15.320 if people are celebrating his inflation reduction act or what, but they seem to be having a little

00:53:22.000 bit of wind at their back. Notwithstanding the fact that those Afghanistan lives were now one

00:53:27.560 year post the disastrous withdrawal. And they're all being proven day by day. But it's another story

00:53:32.720 the media ignores. Just here's just one. OK, so this time last year when when Biden pulled out the

00:53:39.680 troops so disastrously, he said we will make sure that we get every American out. Right. He said that

00:53:45.880 one month before he actually did it. And then we saw what happened. No, it was no. It was when he

00:53:50.860 actually did on August 19th. And now we get the news just yesterday. This is from the New York

00:53:56.520 Post. He did not get all the Americans out at the time. We had more than a thousand. They've been

00:54:01.640 able to put a number out more than a thousand who were left behind. This is thanks to Michael

00:54:05.600 McCall, who issued 115 page report. And from the two page summary, you can see that we the State

00:54:12.640 Department has since evacuated more than 800 Americans. Outside veterans groups have evacuated

00:54:17.900 several hundred more, meaning well over a thousand Americans had been abandoned. Contrary to this

00:54:23.520 promise by the president back on August 19th, 2021. Listen, stop one.

00:54:30.420 Americans should understand that troops might have to be there beyond August 31st.

00:54:34.460 No, Americans should understand that we're going to try to get it done before August 31st.

00:54:38.000 But if we don't, the troops will stay. If we don't, we'll determine at the time who's left.

00:54:42.840 And. And if they're American forces, if there's American citizens left, we're going to stay to get

00:54:50.580 them all out. Just another lie. There's nothing wrong with George Stephanopoulos. The guy has built

00:54:57.200 a great career for himself. But let's begin this segment by recognizing the fact that he, too, is a

00:55:02.360 Democrat press secretary. Yeah, I work for Bill Clinton. And they're like, OK, we need you to hold

00:55:07.060 this demonstration to account. And he asked Joe Biden the very simple question. And Biden can't even

00:55:11.980 answer it about the top issue of last summer. He is completely unfit to be holding the office that

00:55:18.860 he has right now. I mean, he's been wrong about everything as it relates to Afghanistan. I mean,

00:55:22.760 saying, number one, that you're going to get every American out, which obviously they didn't when he

00:55:26.460 said, you know, there it's very unlikely that the Taliban will retake all of Afghanistan. He was wrong

00:55:32.600 about that. You know, that happened in an hour when they're going to say, you know, oh, Kate is not

00:55:37.680 going to reconstitute in Afghanistan. Well, we had to kill, you know, Ayman al-Zawahri in Kabul.

00:55:44.180 Yeah. And head of Afghanistan ends up being right there. Right. If the leader of Al-Qaeda feels

00:55:48.280 comfortable enough to be in country, I think we probably have a problem with Al-Qaeda in country.

00:55:53.020 Yeah. And the thing that's so maddening about this, and we never should lose sight of it because

00:55:57.480 we lost 13 service members as a result of this incompetency. But the thing that we should never

00:56:02.720 lose sight of in addition to that is it was all super preventable. Right. Because now we don't

00:56:07.860 have because there's no congressional oversight with Democrats. We don't have the actual candid

00:56:12.500 assessment that generals were making about the folly that would follow. But my guess is because

00:56:18.220 you talked to like we talked to Mike Waltz on the program. He was he's a congressman from Florida.

00:56:23.600 And what he was saying a month beforehand is it's very obvious that that is Afghanistan is going to fall

00:56:29.680 in a hurry. The one thing you ought not to ever consider is giving up Bagram Air Force base,

00:56:35.260 because at that point, not only do you have a whole bunch of POW, like absolute war criminals

00:56:40.860 in housed at Bagram, it's also the only place you can take off and land from that gives you a strategic

00:56:48.000 advantage over China and everything else. And like immediately, it's the first thing that they gave

00:56:51.800 away. Right. And what happened? What happened to the terrorists that were being housed at Bagram?

00:56:56.740 They put on a suicide vest and they are the ones from Bagram that set off the suicide bomb that killed

00:57:04.420 the 13 Marines. All of this was information that was very, very easy to ascertain ahead of time.

00:57:11.980 But remember, Joe Biden's only goal, his only goal was to make sure that he could celebrate the 20th

00:57:18.220 anniversary of 9-11 by saying he was out of Afghanistan. It was a political goal. It had absolutely

00:57:24.920 incredible consequences for our service men and women, for the people who are helping them in

00:57:30.460 Afghanistan. And now the country is absolutely in flames. And we just gave away, gave away all kinds

00:57:35.660 of progress that we had blood, sweat and tears to try to achieve over the last 20 years.

00:57:40.160 So he got his photo op. We got 13 dead service personnel. We left a thousand Americans behind that

00:57:45.640 we then had to spend the past year trying to find who knows how many more there are. The reports are that

00:57:49.700 we estimate it's far greater than a thousand and folks are still trying to get out. On top of that,

00:57:54.500 the latest reporting this month is that we left the number is 7.12 billion in U.S. funded military

00:58:01.280 equipment behind. That's from the Pentagon. Their estimate military aircraft, ground vehicles,

00:58:06.480 weapons, other military equipment still there. And again, they think that's that's an understatement.

00:58:12.920 Afghanistan, the latest report from the U.N. is in near collapse,

00:58:15.680 that it's that the U.N. is warning pure catastrophe on the brink of pure catastrophe.

00:58:21.100 Massive hunger there only. I think it was I want to get my number correct. I have it in front of me.

00:58:25.980 Nearly half the country faces acute hunger. Forty three percent of their population is living on less

00:58:30.820 than one meal a day. Women have been barred from virtually every job outside the home. They will let

00:58:36.060 them clean the bathrooms, the female bathrooms of the Kabul government. They can't little girls can't go to

00:58:42.840 school after grade six. This is all, you know, contrary to assurances we got from Joe Biden about

00:58:49.520 how everything was hidden in hand and this wasn't going to happen. And, you know, it was time to

00:58:54.360 leave no matter what. And I realize that we're not the policemen of the world, but it's a disaster.

00:58:58.240 And you point out the leader of Al Qaeda gets shot like he's walking around. It's like the Jersey

00:59:01.660 Shore for him there after we were told that they would not be housing Al Qaeda. Oh, it's just who is

00:59:07.400 it. Oh, it's just the number one. It's just the number one guy of Al Qaeda. So that's Afghanistan

00:59:11.420 right now. His roommate was a contributor to The New York Times. Yeah, the guy who owned the house

00:59:16.980 wrote this article in The New York Times about how like, hey, you listen to the Taliban. They're not

00:59:20.640 that bad. That's right. The New York Times is like, sounds great. We should absolutely put you in our

00:59:24.960 paper. I think it can't be overstated how much of a tragedy this situation was. And it was under Joe

00:59:33.300 Biden's watch. It was under his direction. The photo op he was concerned with was trying to spike

00:59:38.520 the football. But then the photo op he ended up getting is checking his watch when when you have

00:59:43.740 dead service members who gave their lives to this country because he made a lot of terrible decisions.

00:59:49.720 Yeah. It's also worth pointing out the vacuum that this left across the globe. Right. There was an

00:59:55.760 immediate reaction from Vladimir Putin, an immediate reaction from Xi, an immediate reaction from Iran

01:00:02.420 that concluded very quickly that this administration didn't have his shit together. Right. And then they

01:00:07.340 could basically do whatever the hell they wanted without consequence for the first time in a very

01:00:12.220 long time. And so you see quickly world events unfold. Ukraine, you have to ask a very serious

01:00:17.440 question about whether that ever would have happened if we wouldn't have just embarrassed ourselves

01:00:22.400 and demeaned the sacrifice of our soldiers in Afghanistan only a few months before. Right. You got to

01:00:28.800 imagine that China has a very different approach to Taiwan, knowing that you don't have Bagram Air

01:00:33.820 Force Base off of your eastern part of your country or your western part of your country any longer.

01:00:39.300 And you now have strategic advantage and air power over all of that. Right. So all of this stuff is not

01:00:44.260 done just in a silo. Or to add one more thing, you know, you got the old Obama bros and now,

01:00:51.000 you know, the Biden folks trying to bring the band back together to reenter, you know, the Iran nuclear deal.

01:00:55.780 You got John Kerry there, you know, with doing his thing. You know, meanwhile, you've got Iran trying

01:01:03.800 to kill Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. Yeah. And and in the world again. And so I mean, that's the

01:01:12.580 Andy McCarthy. I love him. And he had a great piece at National Review the other day saying,

01:01:16.220 you know, the reason Salman Rushdie got attacked in a very well-known author is is because of that

01:01:22.680 Iranian fatwa that had been placed on his head after he wrote Satanic verses, which doesn't

01:01:26.840 reflect so well on the Prophet Muhammad. And for a year, they killed like three of his translators

01:01:31.360 or at least tried to kill three of his translators over the years. He's had this fatwa to try to kill

01:01:35.340 him for many, many years. And he gets stabbed at this book event and our response. And this is because

01:01:40.460 of the fatwa. You know, I mean, that's like that's what's happened. And the response by the U.S.

01:01:44.740 government is like, that's not right. That wasn't good. Anywho, look at our nuclear deal. We're

01:01:51.760 going to make great progress. Like we've tied our own hands. Yeah, they're more concerned about

01:01:56.440 getting a WNBA player out of jail in Russia. Right. Than they are for retribution inside our

01:02:03.120 borders. It's just to me, it was a signal early on in this administration about how they were going

01:02:09.720 to approach America's strength in the world. Right. And those of us who grew up in a Reagan era,

01:02:15.760 you always felt like an American so much as gets a hangnail in another country.

01:02:20.720 Our country is going to come figure that out for you. Right. But over time with the Obama

01:02:25.160 administration and now with the Biden administration, you get the feeling that they're

01:02:28.400 just like, let's just try to avoid all consequences. Right. Let's not have any strategic

01:02:32.340 advantage whatsoever anywhere else in the world. Everything is political. It has to be seen through

01:02:37.100 a political lens. Assuming Democrats retain Congress, it was all worth it.

01:02:41.700 Now, no one was fired in the wake of Afghanistan, not a single general. There was absolutely no

01:02:46.600 accountability. And the same is true in our National Institute of Health and our CDC regime.

01:02:52.500 Right. Anthony Fauci is still there. Did you guys hear the Fauci soundbite, by the way? I played

01:02:57.540 this the other day. Did you did you hear him talking about himself and the Fauci effect?

01:03:01.180 Oh, yes. Yes. Oh, my. I actually really would love to get your reaction. I freaking love this

01:03:05.900 in case our audience missed this. It's well worth your time. We should play it every day. As a matter

01:03:09.220 of fact, we have a team. Let's play it. It's called the Fauci effect, which is sort of like,

01:03:15.600 you know, as trust me, I'm I don't get excited about that. I mean, it's nice, but I mean, it's

01:03:25.460 it's people go to medical school now. People are interested in science, not because of me, because

01:03:32.760 people, most people don't know me who I am. My friends know me. My wife knows me, but people don't

01:03:38.400 know me. It's what I symbolize and what I symbolize in a in an era of the normalization of untruths

01:03:48.160 and lies and and all the things you're seeing going on in society from January 6th to everything

01:03:56.280 else that goes on. People, the craving for consistency, for integrity, for truth and for

01:04:02.540 people caring about people. Oh, what an arrogant prick. It's unreal. I mean, the gall of him,

01:04:11.180 the gall of him to be like, you know, uh, no one knows me. But of course, the Fauci effect.

01:04:17.660 Well, I am God and integrity. That's definitely two things. Incredible. That's why they're going

01:04:21.720 to med school. They're going to med school because of my integrity and me standing for truth. No,

01:04:27.660 they're not. No, they aren't. And if they are, I don't want those doctors. It's he's delusional.

01:04:32.460 This is the CDC that said, stop buying masks, then wear a mask. Then you know what? Wear two masks.

01:04:40.040 Then you get the vaccine. You're never going to get covid. And then, well, you know, there might be

01:04:44.500 some breakthrough cases. And then it's like, oh, well, actually, um, you know, this is a coronavirus

01:04:49.720 like the flu is a coronavirus and we can't actually stop transmission whether you get this thing or not.

01:04:55.500 You know, I mean, his organization, his organization was funding gain of function research on bat

01:05:02.820 coronaviruses. And he lied about it under oath before Congress. He got caught and they and his

01:05:10.020 group, the NIH and his subgroup of it was forced later to admit that they got caught in that lie.

01:05:15.120 He lied about masks and PPE. He lied about herd immunity. Those are the ones that he's admitted

01:05:21.620 lying to. We know about the other. He attacked the guys behind the Great Barrington project who said,

01:05:27.760 let's focus on the elderly and the most vulnerable and tried to besmirch them, smear them in the media

01:05:33.180 as lunatics who are dangerous conspiracy theorists. We saw this behind the scenes. Thanks. Thanks to FOIA

01:05:39.560 documents. Meanwhile, that's exactly what we should have been doing. There's no accountability.

01:05:44.120 And over at the CDC, as you point out, Michael, you got Rochelle Walensky, his partner in crime,

01:05:49.280 who's saying, oh, you know, we've done an internal review, not an external. We've done an internal

01:05:53.860 review, basically. And here's what we've concluded. We've been too scholarly. We've been focused too much

01:05:58.780 on article writing. And we really need to do better because that's not what the American people

01:06:03.540 need. Just a list. The Reason magazine put together a few of the highlights that you just hit.

01:06:08.920 Obviously, they oversold the benefits of masking with absolutely no randomized control trials that

01:06:13.900 would support it. In fact, to the contrary, the one study they did about masking in schools studied

01:06:18.380 90,000 children in Georgia and proved that they do nothing, as my second grade student told his teacher

01:06:24.160 when she tried to mask him at one point this year. They instituted the travel ban on South Africa

01:06:28.360 after the documents there. The doctors there said, hey, yo, we're seeing this Omicron put that in a

01:06:32.840 place, you know, sort of chilling anybody from raising it. They there was never quick approval

01:06:38.920 of new testing, which led the long lines around the block from people who actually did need to

01:06:42.360 test or like to go to school, to go to work, which was nonsense to longest school closures in the

01:06:47.940 world, in America, in the United States of America. The damage that cause is uncalculable.

01:06:52.660 That's because of the CDC, their alliance with the teachers union. Absolutely disgusting.

01:06:57.160 Randy Weingarten was calling the shots. Not that lunatic Rochelle Walensky, who was blubbering

01:07:02.200 on camera for half of her tenure, talking about it. She isn't scared, trying to create a national

01:07:07.040 panic. They ignored natural immunity. Thousands of people have been fired, lost their jobs in the

01:07:12.360 health care industry, including in public service professions like cops because of her, because of

01:07:17.300 the CDC. It doesn't have shit to do with being too scholarly.

01:07:20.220 Yeah. Thank you. God bless it. Everybody in America should hear what you just had to say.

01:07:26.380 It's 100 percent true. Right. But it's not even stopping yet. I mean, we again, we talk to people

01:07:31.580 who are really concerned that reserves, National Guard reserves have this map vacs, still have a

01:07:38.340 vaccine mandate. And they're going to not going to actually be able to respond to national disasters

01:07:43.980 and things like natural disasters and things like that because of the vaccine mandate that still exists,

01:07:48.220 despite all evidence that it doesn't do a goddamn thing. Right. I mean, this is it. How about another

01:07:54.160 couple of Fauci phrases? 14 days to slow the spread. How'd that work out? That go pretty well.

01:08:00.420 Right. Trigger. How about trigger a pandemic of the unvaccinated? Yeah. How about that one?

01:08:06.160 Did that one work? Was that was that right, Mr. Fauci? All of it is complete and utter bullshit.

01:08:11.940 But the thing that galls me most is what you just hit, what it did to children across this country.

01:08:16.380 And that it may have set a generation back irreparably, not just from an educational

01:08:22.300 standpoint, but from a social standpoint, you may have changed the very fabric of our culture

01:08:27.980 and this asshole. He's sitting there in that overstuffed leather chair and his suitable life

01:08:34.000 telling telling people, well, you know, there's just so much misinformation out there.

01:08:39.060 Yeah. Like, give me a fucking break. Oh, you shut down businesses, you shut down schools for years.

01:08:46.100 Yeah. I mean, people are angry about that, Anthony. Like, you're responsible and you lied and lied and

01:08:52.600 lied. And don't forget, he funded a study that killed a bunch of beagles. I mean, Michael Vick lost his job

01:08:57.700 for life. Yeah, right. That's right. You know, one of the things that bothers me is that the Democrats

01:09:02.920 are quick to point out that some of the Capitol Hill police officers wound up taking their own

01:09:08.120 lives, died by suicide is how you're supposed to say it now after the January 6th riot. And that is

01:09:12.960 unfortunate. And law enforcement does have a disproportionate rate of taking their own lives

01:09:16.960 because of the nature of their very difficult job. But that they want to pin squarely on Trump.

01:09:22.320 Right. They want to pin that directly on Trump for encouraging the January 6th rally, which,

01:09:27.300 of course, turned into a riot and so on. But what about the thousands, thousands of unnecessarily

01:09:34.740 dead people who have lost their lives thanks to drug overdoses, thanks to suicides, thanks to

01:09:41.340 alcoholism as a direct result of these unnecessary lockdowns for which Anthony Fauci has taken zero

01:09:49.780 responsibility. Instead, he wants to talk about fake news medical students going to school because

01:09:54.840 of the alleged Fauci effect of truth and integrity. My ass bull. What you just described is the real

01:10:03.100 Fauci effect. In his mind, he thinks it's one thing. But to everybody else in this country who lost their

01:10:07.780 jobs, who built a small business that was closed down, who sent their kids to school, then were told,

01:10:12.200 oh, no, no school. And their kids are set back. That's the real Fauci effect.

01:10:15.700 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and and the media and the teachers unions are now retconning this whole thing

01:10:21.800 and saying, oh, you know, I mean, we were never really for all these school closures. You know,

01:10:26.860 we learned a lot of lessons that we should never do that again. I guess we'll move on.

01:10:31.080 And people need to be held accountable for this. Yeah. And not to mention the societal effect writ large.

01:10:35.440 Right. Even if you back it off of schools and everything else. I mean, what happened to most people

01:10:39.440 who were actually following Fauci's advice is that their their circles of influence in their

01:10:45.440 information flow shrank and shrank and shrank and shrank. Right. To the extent that you have a

01:10:50.260 problem with extremism in this country, to the extent that you are concerned of people with fake

01:10:56.260 news or or narratives that don't exist both on the left and the right. That is a very seminal moment

01:11:03.140 where an awful lot of that stuff began to spread across this country because of those information flow

01:11:08.500 and their inability to interact with people outside of their very small circle. Right.

01:11:13.140 So it extends so far beyond in our society. We're going to be dealing with this for decades.

01:11:19.340 It's a complete breakdown of trust in institutions. And I think, yeah, like you said, I mean, we're

01:11:24.300 going to during the ramifications of this are going to last a long time. Meanwhile, just FYI,

01:11:29.560 it's not over there. The terror that they impose on the nation is not over. In Philly, three to five

01:11:35.300 year olds are going to be masked for the upcoming upcoming school years. Three year olds are going

01:11:39.820 to have to. Are you kidding me? Kids in New York Publix. Jennifer say formerly of Levi's is pointing

01:11:45.540 this out on Twitter. Kids in New York Publix who are unvaccinated, can't do any sports. My own school

01:11:50.520 still has a mandatory vaccine requirement for all the children who are 16 and up. Thank God my kids

01:11:55.480 aren't there yet. But you you will be expelled from my kids school if you don't get the vaccine.

01:11:59.820 If you are 16 years, it's absurd. Those vaccines don't even cover Omicron. And kids who get COVID

01:12:06.280 are at next to zero risk of dying from COVID. The health risks should be something between a parent

01:12:12.360 and the pediatrician and not for this. The school has nothing to do about it. The school has to worry

01:12:16.240 about transmission and the vaccines don't stop transmission at all of Omicron. In L.A.,

01:12:21.940 they're considering masking the littles again. Rutgers University, all these colleges,

01:12:25.820 masks in all classrooms required. Stanford, supposed to be the smartest people in the world,

01:12:29.820 masks in all classes required. So the regime of terror continues, even though the CDC last week

01:12:35.660 quietly put out guidance saying, oh, if you have natural immunity, you should be treated the same

01:12:40.180 as if you're vaccinated. And it's kind of there's no difference. Which which Europe has done for for

01:12:45.100 over a year. And we were the slowest to come come around on natural immunity. It's it's like you're

01:12:50.460 saying, Megan, it's like the you know what they did to our economy in the United States is worse

01:12:55.540 than anywhere else in the world. The natural immunity is another perfect example of that.

01:13:00.320 And if you're just talking about vaccinating children for a second, right? I mean, I don't

01:13:04.020 care if you're pro-vax or anti-vax, whatever. It should give you some pause when you're thinking

01:13:08.380 about your children, about anything you're injecting into their arm that has less than one year of a

01:13:13.840 trial. Right. We don't know. We don't know. And like you can trust the science you can. I mean,

01:13:18.700 with the evidence that you just laid out, very tough to trust almost anything. But if you're

01:13:23.700 thinking about just this in terms of this vaccine, boy, oh, boy, it has zero zero body of work over a

01:13:32.080 period of years that would demonstrate that there are no ill health effects. Now, I'm not discouraging

01:13:36.620 people from doing it. I'm just saying, like, after all the shit that has been absolutely untrue.

01:13:42.120 No, that is why I wasn't think about it. And the only 31 percent of parents of the young ones,

01:13:48.220 kids under 12, have gotten the vax. I mean, parents are saying no to this. Go ahead, Smug.

01:13:52.360 No, the ways the medical industry was telling us trust the science. But then there's a summer

01:13:56.660 of rights and they're like, well, actually, you know, you can go out and write it. That's OK for

01:14:00.340 your health. Yeah. Or go to the RBG funeral. RBG is also a little known exception to the COVID

01:14:06.620 transmission. All right. Listen, I have to I have to end it on a fun note. OK, because

01:14:10.820 we just have to. We did Afghanistan. We did COVID. We got our tempers flaring. But we've

01:14:15.360 got to talk about Keith Olbermann, who apparently has a podcast out that sounds almost identical to

01:14:20.200 his old MSNBC show. Now, I you will not be surprised to learn. Do not listen to Keith

01:14:24.720 Olbermann. But a friend of mine said, you got to listen to the last 10 minutes of his Tuesday

01:14:29.520 podcast. I'm like, I do. Why would I have to do that? Well, I did listen. And my friend was not

01:14:34.560 wrong. It was highly entertaining. And it was basically him single handedly trying to take down

01:14:39.880 Rachel Maddow, Alex Wagner, who's now taking over for Rachel Maddow four days a week, his old

01:14:45.420 bosses at MSNBC, basically the entire network. And and also arguing that MSNBC is not liberal

01:14:51.980 enough. Here's just a sampling of what he had to say. It's a little long. So listen.

01:14:57.320 Tonight, Maddow officially switches to a once a week format, which has never worked once at a cable

01:15:01.580 news network in the history of the United States of America. And in her time slot from Tuesday through

01:15:07.620 Friday, every week will be Alex Wagner. Alex Wagner could not read the teleprompter.

01:15:15.040 When Stockwell and I lit upon the idea that Alex Wagner might become the next great guest host of

01:15:20.320 Countdown and maybe someday, like the others, host her own MSNBC show spun off from ours.

01:15:27.480 We invited her up for an audition and a meet and greet and Stockwell handled the audition and he came

01:15:31.720 back to me that night crestfallen. It wasn't only that Alex Wagner could not read the teleprompter.

01:15:38.520 Stockwell said, I told her we can teach her the teleprompter. She could become as good as Maddow in 30

01:15:44.160 minutes. And she said, nah, how hard could it be? I'll pick it up. Anyway, I got to go to a dinner party.

01:15:49.740 I had this silly idea that if we could have somebody other than a white guy filling in for a white guy

01:15:55.220 every night, this would be good. It had been a little part of my thinking with hiring Rachel

01:16:00.640 Maddow. I do hope my doubts are utterly without foundation and that as soon as possible, I will

01:16:07.340 have to write and read one of these apologizing to Alex Wagner and to MSNBC. Because when I started

01:16:14.280 the process of turning MSNBC from the industry joke to the first and so far only even kind of liberal TV

01:16:21.420 news network, I did so because I believed and still believe that America needs a kind of liberal

01:16:28.400 TV news network. I have nothing but admiration for what Rachel did with the opportunity I forced

01:16:34.600 them to give her. Her success is entirely her work. My part of that ended the day they gave her the show.

01:16:44.180 But I have to confess that ever since the night when David K. Johnston produced

01:16:47.980 one utterly meaningless page of Donald Trump's tax returns that somebody had anonymously sent him

01:16:54.840 and Rachel hyped the damn thing for 45 minutes like it was the secret to eternal life, I have

01:17:00.580 wondered if I did not do too good a job. The entire morning of MSNBC's programming features and is ruled

01:17:09.080 with an iron fist by one of the worst human beings I have ever met. The man who every day in 2015

01:17:16.700 and the start of 2016 tried to mainstream Donald Trump to the MSNBC audience and only stopped when

01:17:23.600 he realized that Trump was not going to offer him the vice presidency, Joey Scars himself. Joe Scarborough.

01:17:33.160 MSNBC as a vibrant liberal force in this country is absolutely essential. It may not be enough to

01:17:38.780 stave off fascism, but at least we gave it a try. And so I hope I am as wrong about Alex Wagner's debut

01:17:46.120 tonight as the president of MSNBC was when I first went to him in the summer of 2007 with the idea of

01:17:52.140 a Rachel Maddow show. And he, Phil Griffin, rejected it because he couldn't understand why straight men like

01:18:00.860 him would watch a lesbian woman do political commentary. I like to think he figured out

01:18:07.500 how that would happen because somehow he has wound up as the president of Rachel's production company.

01:18:15.920 Anyway, good luck, Alex Wagner.

01:18:20.700 Oh man, that's fantastic.

01:18:23.340 You gotta love it. He just unloads the drawer, doesn't he?

01:18:25.760 He is to MSNBC what Felicia Sonmez was to the Washington Post.

01:18:32.440 It's great. I do love that he's also, you know, made himself the hero of this story.

01:18:37.840 Yeah, of course.

01:18:39.740 Can I just show you like a quick epilogue? I know you guys got to go, but you have to see this.

01:18:44.080 Alex Wagner did have her debut on Tuesday night. And can I show you what happened? Watch.

01:18:47.720 Oh no.

01:18:49.140 Tonight, the FBI warrant used to search Mar-a-Lago is unsealed.

01:18:55.400 The three potential crimes laid out in that document. We'll dive into what it means and what

01:19:00.300 could happen with one of the Wall Street Journal reporters who was first to report on the contents

01:19:06.480 of that warrant.

01:19:07.740 Hands up in the air.

01:19:09.220 Then we'll...

01:19:09.840 Oh my God.

01:19:13.060 Hands again.

01:19:13.700 Then we'll talk with...

01:19:15.400 We're going to go right... We are actually going to go right to the top story.

01:19:19.220 Oh my God.

01:19:21.240 Oh my God.

01:19:21.700 First of all, if she could lean any further over the desk, her nose would have been touching the lens

01:19:29.400 of the camera.

01:19:30.740 And then all of a sudden, disaster strikes. That's amazing.

01:19:35.480 Oh my God. He was right.

01:19:37.580 I got to hand it to him. Oberman was right.

01:19:39.980 It might be the only thing he's ever been right about since the porn center anyway.

01:19:44.100 They later said, oh, there were gremlins, TV gremlins, like the prompter wasn't working.

01:19:48.000 You know what, Alex? That's why you practice. That's why you practice the prompter because

01:19:51.840 it does go down. And the best news anchors would never let the audience see it.

01:19:58.920 Occasionally live television, there are things, right?

01:20:02.100 It's amazing.

01:20:02.500 Deer in the headlights look amazing.

01:20:04.560 What a moment. I'll leave you with that. Just that thought bubble. What if Oberman is

01:20:09.420 right? Ponder on that until the next time. Ruthless, thank you guys. It's always a pleasure.

01:20:18.620 Thank you so much.

01:20:19.140 You're the best, Megan.

01:20:20.460 All right. See you soon.

01:20:21.720 My team told me during the break that there's breaking news. They said, don't look at your

01:20:30.040 phone. We're going to let Steve Krakauer, my EP, break it to you. And I don't know. There's a

01:20:35.580 reason they didn't want me to know what it was before he came back on the air. So what is it,

01:20:38.700 Steve? Yes. Yes, Megan. This broke literally as you were saying goodbye to the ruthless guys,

01:20:44.020 although I'm sure they will enjoy hearing this as well. It was broken in several places,

01:20:48.620 but confirmed now by a network spokesperson. CNN will end its Reliable Sources program this

01:20:54.520 Sunday. As a result, Brian Stelter will leave the company.

01:20:58.500 No way. Oh, well, I mean, we we kind of knew, right? We knew that was going to happen. You

01:21:04.880 you have another job as a media critic and commentator, and you'd been predicting this for a while.

01:21:12.560 It was you think about what does old Jeff Zucker era CNN look like? And you think of people like

01:21:20.380 Jim Acosta, maybe Don Lemon, maybe even Chris Cuomo, who's now gone and Brian Stelter. I mean,

01:21:25.000 those are the names. And if Chris Licht is going to make his mark, that does seem, I guess,

01:21:29.620 like a logical place to start. But Brian Stelter gone as of this Sunday, including apparently the

01:21:34.580 program Reliable Sources also ending as well. Although maybe that'll restart with someone new.

01:21:39.420 That program name is just like the Inflation Reduction Act. It's the same thing. It's got

01:21:45.020 the same problems. That's true. That's true. Yes. Yeah. But seriously, Steve, he had to go.

01:21:52.280 He went so hard partisan, rabid. I mean, he was rabidly partisan and he showed it every day on the

01:21:57.680 air. And it is the exact same thing. He's the morning time lemon. I mean, complete Trump derangement

01:22:02.840 syndrome. Absolutely no objectivity. Hates the right half of the country and wasn't afraid to show it.

01:22:07.920 So how could they possibly keep him given the new edict?

01:22:10.880 Yeah, it's hard. You know, I mean, he wrote a book called Hoax about Fox and then, you know,

01:22:15.360 a follow up with it. I mean, the whole brand became essentially a check on right-wing media.

01:22:20.880 And in fact, I don't even want to name the JV squad that he's got on his team. But there's other

01:22:25.920 people in that media department as well who are even worse, I would say, and who literally the only

01:22:30.640 thing they do is watch Fox News and write about it. That's what you call CNN's media reporting. I think

01:22:36.300 it's really terrible. And I would imagine this is probably just the first of many shoes to drop on

01:22:40.600 that front. Honestly, like until they get rid of Don Lemon, I believe nothing. I really don't. I

01:22:45.760 don't believe you cannot keep this person who purports to be a straight news anchor in that role

01:22:50.260 and call yourself a news organization. Let's put your money where your mouth is. Let's see you do that.

01:22:55.780 You know, it was interesting. Don Lemon was on Charlemagne's Comedy Central show and essentially put down a

01:23:00.920 challenge to his bosses and said, what I do is objective reporting. And if you're going to tell

01:23:06.520 me I can't do what I'm doing, well, then I don't belong here. I mean, he actually said that. So I

01:23:11.540 would say I would guess he's probably on his way out also. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I'm black and I'm

01:23:16.520 gay. Remember that was that's what he said the first night that the new management took over and he was

01:23:21.300 like, I'm black and I'm gay. Jeff Zucker put me on the air. Don't don't forget. Most importantly,

01:23:26.220 I mean, it's like, OK, we'll see if that will save you. Very interesting news. Brian Stelter out at

01:23:32.900 CNN. Oh, I can't. I wish we had gotten to run that by our pals at Ruthless. I'm sure they would

01:23:37.480 have. They would have had some fun with that one. Hey, call me, though. All of you can call me with

01:23:43.180 I don't know my number when they don't put it in the prompter. It's like, what's my number, Steve?

01:23:48.620 Eight, three, three, four, four, Megan. Eventually I'll get like Dr. Laurel and I'll have it

01:23:52.600 memorized. Eight, three, three, four, four, Megan. But it's M-E-G-Y-N. Don't forget that

01:23:56.180 M-E-G-Y-N because my mom did not know how to spell. What do you think about the ouster

01:24:02.200 of Brian Stelter? All right, let's get to some of our callers who are calling in right now.

01:24:07.820 Let's go to Iowa. I love it when I have listeners and viewers in Iowa. That's where my imaginary

01:24:11.980 viewer Madge is. But this is Dale who may know my imaginary viewer Madge. Dale, what's on your

01:24:17.840 mind this afternoon? I'm no imaginary viewer, but it's the week of the Iowa State Fair. We love you

01:24:23.440 out here because you tell the truth because farmers out here, they can sense shit whenever it's out

01:24:28.920 there. So you don't step in it. I'm calling you that I wonder, and you're the attorney here from

01:24:35.320 the strategy, but do you think, and this is just my worldview, that the Trump team, his legal team

01:24:41.980 knows that that affidavit's probably not going to get opened up. So they go on the offense. They

01:24:46.660 basically say, we want it released. We want it released, knowing that it won't happen.

01:24:51.140 And then when it doesn't happen, they can come out and continue to say, see, they're hiding

01:24:55.540 something. They won't get this out. Granted, we're going to get the drip, drip, drip. That's

01:24:59.820 someone else I love, Dana Perino. I watch her every night. She's like, that'll continue to come out. But

01:25:05.640 at least this way, and again, from my perspective, Trump is able to say, go ahead. We don't care. Open it up.

01:25:12.580 Yeah. And you know what? I think that's exactly right. They know that this judge is not going to

01:25:17.260 release the affidavit. Not yet there. He's going to be deferential to the government at this point

01:25:21.520 in the case that that would be consistent with the way it's normally handled for people who are

01:25:26.380 going to freak out. They won't release it. That would be normal for him to say, no, I'm not releasing

01:25:30.500 it yet. At some point, it needs to be released. You know, I was listening to my pal Alan Dershowitz the

01:25:34.560 other day saying, you know, they objected to releasing the full Pentagon papers, too. And we eventually saw

01:25:39.980 all those and helped lead to the end of the Vietnam War. Like we need we have a right to know

01:25:45.360 why they breached these norms in such an extraordinary fashion and what our DOJ is up

01:25:52.480 to. Unfortunately, if they don't actually indict him, the normal procedure would be we don't get

01:25:58.080 to see the affidavit. So we we need to see it like Merrick Garland does need to be totally transparent

01:26:03.180 with us and not with a ton of redactions. You know, yes, sources and methods. Yes. Things that

01:26:07.720 would compromise national security. But this judge needs to have an in-camera hearing where it's just

01:26:12.080 him and the government, no Trump people. And that's OK to do when you're assessing something

01:26:16.240 like this and figure out for the American public what's OK to see and what's not. I do worry because

01:26:22.140 he does seem kind of partisan. This judge recused himself from another case involving Trump not long

01:26:26.260 ago. So why why is he OK hearing this one? I don't know. The burden is on him to be extraordinarily

01:26:32.500 fair to bend over backwards to be fair. And I, like you, want to see what's in there. And I think

01:26:37.620 Trump. Yeah, he's playing it smart. He isn't a PR war. They started it and he's playing it and he's

01:26:43.440 playing it wisely. But yeah, we all know what's going to happen today. Dale, enjoy the fair.

01:26:50.360 Oh, it's always it's always a pork fest. And oh, by the way, I've been watching the pictures of your

01:26:55.300 Stradwick. Oh, my God, that is good trouble right there. Look. And I like the partner thunders

01:27:02.100 looking at it like, oh, yeah, we had an English lab. This time we went golden retriever, a little

01:27:07.120 bit calmer. He is lucky. He's so cute, Dale. That's all I have to say. Thanks for calling in.

01:27:13.780 OK, let's go to Vicki in North Carolina. Vicki, what's on your mind?

01:27:19.580 Hi there. It's a pleasure to talk with you. I listen to you every day and I learn something new

01:27:24.480 every day. So thank you. I guess my biggest concern, of course, obviously, the direction

01:27:29.700 our country is going in. I feel like I'm sitting back watching a dumpster fire and there's not one

01:27:35.960 person willing to step up that we've elected to do anything about it.

01:27:41.260 Well, you don't see Liz Cheney. I mean, Abraham Lincoln as that as that person.

01:27:46.360 That was just appalling. But I think the thing that caught my attention most lately was at least

01:27:54.400 Greg Abbott has the wherewithal to put these immigrants on buses and ship them to the people

01:28:01.360 who are talking that we should be doing this. And, you know, my son is a former deputy sheriff

01:28:09.700 who worked closely with the border in New Mexico. And I just don't think they'll understand

01:28:15.000 or have even a glimpse of the appalling atrocities that are happening.

01:28:21.020 It's so easy for people sitting in New York to say, oh, we're a nation of immigrants.

01:28:25.460 But, you know, we didn't get to it today because we had so much else to go over with the guys. But

01:28:28.820 there's there's video just posted today from Fox News showing them opening up this gate down at the

01:28:35.080 border and just letting these migrants come through. And now, listen, they're defending it by saying

01:28:39.120 normally that door is open. And so we were just sort of restoring it to what it normally is. But

01:28:44.340 like because the Texas, I guess, National Guard is the ones who shut it. And so the Border Patrol is

01:28:49.340 like, no, that normally stays open. Why is it open? Why? Right. Like that's what begs the question.

01:28:53.720 Exactly. So I commend Greg Abbott for at least taking some initiative to make a difference.

01:29:01.160 Like I said, nobody has a clue what is happening down there.

01:29:05.460 I have to say, I like Greg Abbott. I'm surprised whenever he falls in the polls or he gets like a

01:29:10.080 you know, he almost gets ousted. I'm like, what more would you have the guy do? He's done a lot

01:29:14.260 of like, you know, I don't know everything I see coming out of Texas. I'm like, yeah, right on, Greg. But

01:29:18.380 somehow he's not totally beloved by the Texans. We'll see. Listen, Vicki, thank you for the call

01:29:23.240 and all the best in North Carolina. Let's go further west, farther west out in California. And Richard

01:29:28.460 just got some thoughts. Hey, Richard.

01:29:30.120 Megan, I thank you for taking my call. Really love your show. Appreciate all you do. I'm out

01:29:36.940 here in Los Angeles, California. I have completely given up on this disaster out here. I need your

01:29:43.760 opinion on obviously the current administration's a disaster. Trump looks like he, you know, it'd be

01:29:52.640 such a better option, but he's so toxic. He's like poison that I'm so concerned. If he did get

01:30:00.080 reelected, it would create a civil war, especially in places where I live in the bluest of blue

01:30:05.140 that it's time for guys like, and this is what my concern is. You hear Sean Hannan, Mark Levin,

01:30:12.300 Glenn Beck, Larry Elder, Leo Terrell. Look, I love all those guys, but they are all about him.

01:30:19.160 Why don't they see what I'm saying right now and sit down with him, say, look, let's get behind

01:30:26.420 DeSantis. If you, as much as we love you and you do good, you're going to create, I'm not kidding,

01:30:32.760 Los Angeles. I think I'd have to board up my business if he got reelected. As much as I love

01:30:37.200 the guy, I know he goes nuts. I know on the Twitter, you and I are mature enough to get over that,

01:30:44.100 but probably 60% of the country is going to lose their mind. Why, why can't those guys,

01:30:49.820 why doesn't Sean Hannity see this and say, you know what, Trump, we love you. Or, you know,

01:30:56.020 all these guys I just mentioned and sit down and say, look at what could happen. Let's get behind

01:31:01.220 DeSantis, be part. But then it's just a level of persuasion over Trump that doesn't exist.

01:31:08.520 They tried, you know, we know from the January 6th committee that they tried to get him to stop

01:31:13.960 the January 6th riot before, well, before he did that, they begged him to stand off of the stolen

01:31:19.360 election claims, which of course he did not. His family did too. Ivanka, Hannity, all these guys,

01:31:27.260 you know, Trump, if we know one thing about him is he's stubborn. He's much more of a bull and

01:31:32.960 you just can't. There's only so much controlling you can do of a bull when he wants to buck and buck

01:31:38.500 and buck and break all the China. And look what happened in Georgia. You know, half the party went

01:31:42.700 there and said, don't, don't mess up Georgia. We're going to lose control of the Senate and your

01:31:46.560 legacy is going to get erased bit by bit. Didn't care. You know, it's just how can you really think

01:31:52.860 if he does get elected? What, I mean, do you see like Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, these cities,

01:31:58.300 like these crazy where I live, do you see it going just complete haywire if he gets reelected?

01:32:07.820 I do. I, you know, I don't want to say that that's a reason not to elect him, you know,

01:32:12.520 because threats of violence or breaking the law shouldn't shouldn't be a reason not to elect

01:32:17.900 somebody that you want. Right. It's like that's extortion. But honestly, like my prediction as a

01:32:23.720 news anchor is, yeah, I think all hell will break loose if he gets reelected. And I don't think

01:32:28.320 the Democrats are going to comply with the rule of law in many ways. I don't think they'll comply

01:32:34.220 with Trump policies, second term or a Trump Supreme Court edict. I just I have very deep concerns about

01:32:41.600 where we'll go if he gets reelected. Richard, thank you for raising the concerns here because I,

01:32:46.840 you know, we'll cross that bridge. But yeah, I got I got my own concerns. Let's stay in. Well,

01:32:51.800 let's go to North Carolina, actually, where Rob's got thoughts on what what's what's on your mind

01:32:56.620 today, Rob. Hi, Megan. How are you? I'm good. What's up? Good. I just I did think that there

01:33:03.360 was one person that's probably very sad about Brian Stelter being fired, and that would be Greg

01:33:08.480 Gutfeld because he is his whipping boy. I think Greg is probably sitting at home going, damn, what do I do

01:33:16.820 now? My my husband and I were just having this debate last night about we love Tucker and he's

01:33:22.220 a personal friend. And Doug was like, you know, Tucker's never mean. And I was like, well, and I

01:33:27.300 love him. He does call Brian Stelter a eunuch. That's a little. Yeah, that's rough. But listen,

01:33:35.060 it's because Brian Stelter gives as good as he gets. And he tries to do it with like dignity under the

01:33:40.640 I won't say what I think of him. But I do. On the other note that you were talking about with

01:33:45.960 with Trump, I am a big DeSantis fan. Don't get me wrong. I love Trump. But I do see what you see

01:33:53.640 coming if he is reelected. And I think DeSantis, although the left may hate him, they hate him less

01:34:02.440 than they hate Trump. And I don't think they'll be as big a civil polarization if DeSantis is elected.

01:34:10.120 They may not like what he does, but I don't think they're going to go as apoplectic as they would

01:34:15.300 if Trump is elected again. I think that's right. Donald Trump has a singular you know, he's a

01:34:20.880 singular figure in their mind is truly bad. Like go back to the Sam Harris clip. They won't be doing

01:34:25.260 that about Ron DeSantis. It will be political arguing and fights, but it won't. I just don't

01:34:31.320 see the left tolerating a second Trump term. And I don't even know what that means. I don't know

01:34:36.820 what that looks like. I just listen to their rhetoric. And as Glenn Beck always says, when he

01:34:41.080 says why he's been right on so many of his predictions, I just believe them. I'm listening

01:34:45.620 to them and I believe them. So we'll see. It's going to be a very rocky presidential election

01:34:51.420 year. Thank you for listening. Thank you for calling. It's been a pleasure of a two hour stay.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 18, 2022

Political Hypocrisy, Trump Obsession, and Intel Community Absurdity, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts ｜ Ep. 376

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