The Megyn Kelly Show - POTUS Has COVID, with Dana Loesch, Olivia Nuzzi and Nomiki Konst ｜ Ep. 6

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:37.920 Today, Trump has COVID and the media is melting down.

00:00:41.700 So what does it mean for this race less than a month out from Election Day?

00:00:45.260 Joining us today, voices from the right and the left and a very well-sourced

00:00:48.260 White House reporter with the inside scoop.

00:00:57.160 Hey, everyone, it's Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:59.820 So Trump has COVID. His doctor lied.

00:01:04.100 So did the media. Just another day in America.

00:01:07.520 I've got a lot of thoughts on what's been happening now with Trump's diagnosis and the First Lady's,

00:01:11.560 along with about 40,000 others in and around the president.

00:01:14.660 But my number one takeaway is we would all be better served if we could trust that doctor.

00:01:19.400 Trump's got to get somebody out there who doesn't engage in puffery or real estate sales

00:01:24.220 by trying to change the information we're getting and just lays it on the line.

00:01:27.340 The guy had a high fever. He had some oxygen. He's doing much better.

00:01:31.160 Great. We got it. COVID's not pleasant.

00:01:33.200 But so far, it doesn't seem that awful.

00:01:36.500 Why can't they just be straight? That's fine. That serves the president and it serves us.

00:01:40.440 But of course, the media did what the media does and went full on conspiratorial on us.

00:01:45.920 And of course, we can't trust them either.

00:01:47.680 So hopefully that's where we come in as we're going to try to give it to you straight.

00:01:51.180 We've got voices, as I said, from the left and the right today.

00:01:53.480 We've got Nomiki Konst. She's a she's a lefty. She used to come on the Kelly file all the time. 0.98

00:01:57.300 She's good, although she did something a little controversial, which we're going to get into.

00:02:01.460 We've got Olivia Nuzzi. She's from New York Magazine.

00:02:04.840 She's also from the left. And I think you're going to find what she has to say about the media

00:02:08.620 covering this story. Pretty provocative.

00:02:12.100 And we've got Dana Lash, one of my personal favorites.

00:02:14.840 She's a nationally syndicated radio host, and she is raring to go on the Democrats' attempt 0.88

00:02:18.900 to push back the Amy Coney Barrett hearings because they say this cannot

00:02:23.220 possibly go forward given the COVID outbreak we've seen on Capitol Hill.

00:02:26.840 She's got some thoughts. So all that going on today.

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00:03:54.420 And now, Olivia Nuzzi. 0.94

00:03:58.220 Is your head spinning from the past 72 hours or longer?

00:04:02.900 I mean, my head has been spinning from the last five years of covering Donald Trump.

00:04:07.580 This is this is a relationship with irreconcilable differences and the consequences of those

00:04:14.500 irreconcilable differences are center stage because the media, in my opinion, has not reported

00:04:21.580 fairly on Donald Trump and Donald Trump and the White House have, of course, lied to the media.

00:04:27.220 And now we're seeing the consequences of that destructive, awful relationship.

00:04:32.860 It's been more of the sort of the punditry in media that's gone off the rails.

00:04:39.980 Donald Trump sets the tone for his White House.

00:04:43.080 If people if he cannot trust his most senior staffers, which has been consistently the case

00:04:47.960 since the beginning of his political career, certainly that seems like a Donald Trump problem,

00:04:52.720 not a senior staffer problem. Right.

00:04:54.460 If it's been true under every chief of staff, it's been true under every regime in this White House

00:04:58.720 on the camp on both campaigns. That strikes me as a problem with the executive.

00:05:04.140 Well, especially since Trump said he hires the best people.

00:05:06.880 And so it's like, well, only the best.

00:05:08.900 And well, I think I think it's a situation where, number one, Trump is the most unusual

00:05:13.240 leader we've had in in generations. And the way he is in general is he's a destroyer of things.

00:05:20.580 He's a wrecker, which is why he got hired. Right.

00:05:22.920 They wanted to go down in Washington and just wreck shit. 1.00

00:05:25.620 And and he's been doing it. And so that's why his core supporters are like, great, 0.99

00:05:29.540 may not be the prettiest package, may have a lot of rough edges, but we'll take it because

00:05:34.100 status quo wasn't working for us. Mitt Romney was the perfect package.

00:05:37.260 He looked good. He had the perfect hair. And they were like, no.

00:05:41.340 Are you saying Trump's hair is not perfect, Megan?

00:05:42.960 It's it's it's debatable. It's debatable.

00:05:46.320 I actually ran my fingers through that hair one time, Olivia.

00:05:49.300 Oh, God.

00:05:49.780 And I can confirm it's not really a comb over. It's like it's all there. It's it's legit.

00:05:54.300 But but anyway, it feels kind of like a cobweb to me.

00:05:57.720 I don't know. It was actually quite nice. If you want to know the truth. I'll defend

00:06:00.460 President Trump's hair. I think very soft hands, too.

00:06:03.780 If he doesn't if he doesn't overspray it, it's better. But anyway, I think that that's why.

00:06:10.020 So it's like if you if you want a truly pleasant working environment, that's probably not where

00:06:15.100 you go to work in any White House, number one, but certainly not in the Trump White House.

00:06:18.400 But I also think it goes back to my irreconcilable differences because the press exit on and the

00:06:23.500 press wants to foment, you know, controversy within these guys and make it like a Game of

00:06:28.040 Thrones or a team of rivals, what have you.

00:06:30.500 Look, everyone wants to talk about the the leftward media bias in the press.

00:06:34.360 And I think that there is certainly some legitimacy to that criticism that we could spend hours

00:06:38.840 and hours talking about. But I think that the the bigger truth is that the press is biased

00:06:43.380 towards conflict. You know, we want drama when we watch any event, when we read any speech,

00:06:49.700 when we watch any interview or conduct any interview. What are we looking for? We're looking

00:06:54.600 for the conflict. We're looking for the friction. That is usually the easiest way to pretend even

00:07:02.040 if they're not just get. No, I think it goes beyond that. I think this is true before getting clicks was

00:07:06.260 even something that a phrase that people would recognize. Right. Before you could click on

00:07:10.980 anything. I think that friction and drama. I mean, it's like it's just like entertainment.

00:07:16.220 Right. It's what's the next development. It's the easiest way to push the story forward

00:07:20.400 is to have some sort of lurch in the direction of conflict. And I think that's what we tend to look

00:07:28.880 for. That's what they say. So what what now speaking of the press and its dishonesty, I've got to ask you

00:07:34.960 specifically about one guy, Gabe Sherman, this guy, he's at Vanity Fair now. But can I tell you,

00:07:41.340 so this guy, he made his name reporting on Roger Ailes and Fox News. This is the only reason people

00:07:45.820 know that name at all. And I used to read his stuff while I was at Fox because it concerned,

00:07:49.860 you know, my workplace and the people I worked with and sometimes me. And I would say Gabe Sherman

00:07:54.360 had his facts right less than 50 percent of the time, you know, someplace between 40 and 50 percent,

00:07:59.500 but was 100 percent wrong all the rest of the time. And somehow this passed for reporting and he was

00:08:06.240 allowed to go on and on. He would he would have one source for something who would be anonymous and

00:08:11.960 they would let him run with this. And now he's doing his same act over at Vanity Fair. And it seems to me

00:08:17.220 he's been let he's been allowed to run loose too long because one of one of his reports over the

00:08:22.860 weekend. And I will quote sources, colon, Trump had heart palpitations on Friday, a high fever or his

00:08:31.360 fever reached one hundred and three and a G7 ally wonders if he'll appoint Ivanka president instead of

00:08:39.020 Pence. He's lost it. I mean, for any. That's like not how the Constitution works. Oh, my God, Olivia.

00:08:46.400 How did they let him how did they let him put that out there?

00:08:52.340 Look, I have no insight into the editing process there. There are some fantastic editors at the

00:08:58.060 fair. Gabe Sherman wrote for New York magazine for a very long time, which is obviously where I work.

00:09:03.620 I was going to do you the favor of not mentioning much, much of his work there certainly was extremely

00:09:09.260 consequential, important work, holding people in power accountable. I don't want to, you know,

00:09:17.940 speak ill of a former colleague. But I think that in the Trump era, there have we've seen time and

00:09:25.300 time again, there kind of been this lower there's been this lowering of standards, I think, when it

00:09:31.660 comes to what we will abide with sourcing, what we will abide with. Just kind of a gut check on

00:09:44.080 common sense when it comes to reporting on this president. And I think that we across the board

00:09:49.960 have sometimes permitted things to get by or be promoted that don't make very much sense. And I, you

00:10:01.660 attack a former colleague. And I don't want to, as I said before, I think on balance, the reporting in

00:10:08.220 the Trump era has been very good. I know you disagree with that assessment. But I think that

00:10:14.420 across the board, we permit things to kind of storylines, narratives to take hold that if it

00:10:23.200 were on the other side, I don't think that we would. Absolutely not. If it were about Barack Obama,

00:10:26.960 I don't think that we would. Absolutely not. But it's more complicated than this, right? Like we could

00:10:30.580 talk about this for a whole week straight. And I could do 25 examples, but in a sea of

00:10:37.240 egregious press statements, this one stands alone. I mean- There was an editor at BuzzFeed who I

00:10:43.760 thought made a very good point about this report, which is that now is not the time to do shit like 0.99

00:10:48.620 this. Now is not the time to single source outrageous claims or use attribution like one 0.82

00:10:54.860 Republican said, you know, like, what the hell does that mean? One Republican that could be,

00:11:00.320 a Republican could be anybody, right? If you're someone who knows, and this is not about Gabe in

00:11:05.240 particular, I'm actually writing a story about this very thing right now about these anonymous

00:11:09.800 Republicans in the Trump era.

00:11:11.800 Well, doesn't this irritate you? Because when you have somebody like that putting out nonsense, 0.92

00:11:16.760 total nonsense like that, first of all, it's not news that someone might wonder if he's going to 0.81

00:11:22.480 appoint Ivanka instead of Pence, right? That can't happen. But it's not news that someone is wondering

00:11:27.940 about that. It's just sensationalistic, just like his other tweet over the weekend about how

00:11:32.180 you could see the fear in Donald Trump's eyes. It's like, Gabe, STFU, just stop.

00:11:38.340 You're not helping. And in my view, he undermines reporters like you, who I don't think you're

00:11:43.880 pro-Trump, but you do at least have sources. I read your stuff all the time. I've always known

00:11:48.120 you to be fair. And you have sources and you won't report it until you have sources. And I think

00:11:53.200 there's too many Gabe Shermans out there who are like, I smell problems for the president. Let's go

00:11:58.060 with it. Well, I think that the problem, you know, you were talking about the Russia reporting

00:12:02.020 earlier, and I think that there are, there has not been a media reckoning on how the Russia story was

00:12:07.800 handled. And there were a lot of things that I found to be totally egregious and totally embarrassing

00:12:13.500 about how that story was handled and how the left was allowed to kind of conspiracy monger

00:12:19.260 about that. And still, it's still pervasive, these conspiracies, and how that was taken seriously in a

00:12:26.300 mainstream way. And I find the same to be true about a lot of stories that are questionably sourced

00:12:32.600 about the president, his mood or whether or not he's fuming. And a lot of those stories are

00:12:40.300 legitimate. I hear from people who are with the president who say like, you know, he's in a bad

00:12:44.060 mood today or he's screaming today. That doesn't mean that all of those stories are not legitimate,

00:12:48.660 but I think, you know, as someone who's sophisticated about the media, you'll read something when the

00:12:53.980 sourcing is not quite right, right? It doesn't seem that solid. But I think unfortunately, there are a

00:12:58.440 lot of people who really started tuning into the day by day coverage of this administration or of

00:13:04.200 politics in general on November 9th of 2016, who are not as sophisticated, and they get saved by this

00:13:11.300 kind of stuff. And I think it's very dangerous. It's kind of it's how I felt about, you know,

00:13:15.540 reporting on me too. If the New York Times is going to spend a year on investigation, they make sure

00:13:21.640 it has no holes in it. They're rock solid on everything. It does not help anyone's cause to

00:13:28.480 run some anonymously sourced allegation someplace else. I'm trying to remember who originally broke

00:13:35.160 the ridiculous Julie Swetnick gang rape allegations involving Brett Kavanaugh, obviously untrue and 0.94

00:13:41.780 peddled by, as Tucker calls him, creepy porn lawyer, Michael Avenatti, who's now under arrest, 0.97

00:13:47.700 facing felony charges. That's a sign of intelligence on your part, right? If you're defined by who your

00:13:55.440 enemies are. I always laugh because it's like, over the past couple of years, I've had, I've gotten

00:14:01.220 a big dust ups with Anthony Weiner, Steve Bannon, and Michael Avenatti, too, all of whom are either

00:14:06.900 under indictment or already went to prison or likely to. So it's like, yeah, I feel pretty good.

00:14:11.760 I was reporting something the other day. And I was just telling my boyfriend this this morning,

00:14:16.560 I was like, you know, I'm going through my Rolodex of sources, and I'm trying to confirm

00:14:21.520 something as like half the people are like in jail or indicted or have COVID. I'm just like,

00:14:27.360 Jesus Christ, can we just like, can everyone calm down so I can continue to report on this

00:14:33.220 administration? It's talking about drinking from the fire hose of news. It's been it's been like the

00:14:38.920 fire hydrant these past couple years. Okay, so where does that leave us? Where does that leave us now

00:14:43.440 with the elections barreling down upon us on November 3? What do you what do you think is

00:14:49.260 likely to happen with Trump getting back on the campaign trail, which you know, he's itching to do

00:14:53.160 and like, how do you think this whole thing affects the race?

00:14:56.300 Well, before we can talk about Trump getting back on the campaign trail, I think we have to talk about

00:15:00.160 him getting back on his feet. We have no idea right now at the time that you and I are speaking, we

00:15:04.800 still do not know the last time that the president tested negative. The White House has not given us

00:15:09.280 answers about that. We do not know what exactly is wrong with his lungs. His doctor is very evasive

00:15:15.380 about that. His doctor, I think is sowing doubt and distrust in you know, what this administration

00:15:21.280 is telling us what the White House is telling us. I think he's doing the president a tremendous

00:15:25.100 disservice. So I think before we can talk about whether or not he's going to get back on the campaign

00:15:30.020 trail, we have to know whether or not he's okay. And right now we can we do there's no reliable

00:15:35.060 information coming out of this White House or from the president's medical team.

00:15:37.100 That's the most irritating thing about Dr. Conley, right? It's like, if he wanted to not

00:15:42.080 tell the truth about Trump's fever or his oxygen, he should have just said, I have no information

00:15:48.520 for you on that at this time, or we're not going to get into that and just make it obvious.

00:15:52.120 I don't want to talk about it. But the last thing you do is lie. And even when he came out

00:15:56.140 and acknowledged his lie, you know, he admitted that he was trying to paint a more rosy picture.

00:16:01.780 And that said, when he owned up to it, he said, and I quote, I didn't want to give any information

00:16:06.280 that might steer the course of illness in another direction. Apparently, that means he didn't want

00:16:10.780 to, like, dampen Trump's spirits. And in doing so, you know, it came off that we were trying to hide

00:16:16.520 something which wasn't necessarily true. What? Necessarily? Dr. Conley, you're no good at this.

00:16:24.680 You're no good at this, sir. Back into the OR, you go.

00:16:28.140 Yeah, no, I mean, Doogie Howser over there with his, like, good vibes only approach to briefing

00:16:33.640 the public, I don't think that this is going to work out very well for the president. And I understand,

00:16:38.460 you know, a lot of people talking about the pressure that they feel to please the president

00:16:41.800 when they talk to the media, or when they go about their job, if it doesn't have to do with

00:16:46.040 interfacing with the media. There's a lot of anxiety about pleasing the president. And I can see how

00:16:51.600 it could lead to this type of situation. But I don't think that the president is helped in the end.

00:16:56.080 And I don't know if he knows this. I don't think that he's helped in the end by having someone

00:17:00.540 out there making it seem like this is Weekend at Bernie's. And that's kind of how it's coming

00:17:06.020 across right now.

00:17:06.540 That's Biden's gig. Trump should not get in on that.

00:17:09.920 But, you know, and, but I think that just back to the campaign, you know, I saw a lot of allies

00:17:14.820 of the president, campaign surrogates, mocking Joe Biden yesterday, even after, you know, all of this

00:17:21.380 started, uh, after the president did his little COVID parade outside of Walter Reed, I saw them

00:17:27.780 mocking Joe Biden saying, Oh, the president still did more, um, more public events today than Joe

00:17:32.900 Biden. They're still trying to push this narrative, um, that Joe Biden is like adult sick and not well 0.91

00:17:39.840 enough to be out on the campaign trail. Even when the president is hospitalized with the virus that

00:17:44.260 has killed 200,000 Americans. I think that is ridiculous. And I think their lack of a message is 0.98

00:17:49.220 really going to hurt them in this, uh, sprint to election day.

00:17:53.480 But Joe Biden hasn't exactly been ubiquitous. I mean, as we both know, there are ways of

00:17:57.480 communicating, but he, the guy puts a lid on the press at like eight Oh two in the morning.

00:18:01.520 Right. So it's like, let's not pretend Joe Biden doesn't have a strategy of staying in his basement

00:18:05.820 and, and doing a weekend at Bernie's. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. We'll, we'll find out.

00:18:09.960 I think that he's benefited tremendously from, from the fact that this virus has permitted him to stay

00:18:15.100 out of, uh, out of view and stay away from the press. And, you know, he does not have to risk

00:18:20.360 having a gas a minute as he ordinarily would. If he was, and it gives him the excuse, COVID gives

00:18:25.040 him the excuse of just looking like he's being responsible. But meantime, there are lots of ways

00:18:29.700 of speaking with voters and the press that are COVID friendly, you know, safe, and he, he's not

00:18:35.220 going to do it. And, and I don't, I understand why it's working for him. If I were his advisor,

00:18:39.600 I'd say thumbs up, keep it rolling. Cause you're winning. Um, that's the predicament

00:18:44.080 Trump's in now is that Biden is winning according to most of the polls and Trump, he has time.

00:18:49.800 And he also probably has the secret Trump voters, but he's going to have to do something. He's going

00:18:55.040 to have to do something between now and November 3rd to appeal to those women and seniors. 0.99

00:18:59.540 Olivia, it's always good talking to you. Thank you. And get some sleep.

00:19:03.860 Thank you.

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00:20:26.920 and we were, they were going down the slides and they were going through the corn maze and I'm looking

00:20:31.340 at Twitter like, Oh my God, what? Right. Were you having the same reaction?

00:20:38.400 Yeah. Well, I wake up every single day and I just wait to see what trend. So one of the first things

00:20:43.920 that I do in the morning is I, I will actually go to trending topics and see what's up because it's

00:20:48.960 always some goofy phrase or something insane that you couldn't, that you did not have on your 2020

00:20:53.680 bingo card. And then I just, then that's how the day starts. The day predictably takes on that

00:20:59.200 insane tone. Right. Well, I, you know, the headline was basically Trump lied about when he got Corona,

00:21:05.940 you know, and it was, he got it, he got it Wednesday instead of Thursday. And of course I'm

00:21:09.800 like, what? And as it turns out, you can blame that somewhat on the media, but mostly on the doctor,

00:21:15.960 that Dr. Conley who came out and was like 72 hours ago, that guy, I'm telling you, like, 0.87

00:21:21.840 I feel like he was the biggest loser of the weekend, right? Because he just sacrificed his

00:21:26.320 credibility. He was all over the place with information and now we can't trust him.

00:21:31.100 Yeah. And, and I, I don't know if he was just trying to be careful with his words. And I was

00:21:36.020 really trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because I kept telling myself, okay, just, you know,

00:21:39.480 he's a doctor, he's not really a media professional and he probably never anticipated himself being in

00:21:45.280 this position, but just, it was just kind of cagey with some of the stuff that he would say.

00:21:50.620 And it required the white house to come back and kind of clarify a couple of things. And then when

00:21:56.520 he was explaining, for instance, some of the drugs that they were giving the president and what they

00:22:02.420 seemed almost contradictory. I mean, I only play a pretend farmer. I'm only pretend pharmacist on air,

00:22:07.460 but they seemed like they would work against each other. And I do wish that he would have explained

00:22:13.840 just a little bit more about exactly why they were giving the president's drugs that they were

00:22:19.100 and in tandems like they were. Um, because it just made, it just made everyone's question even

00:22:24.320 more. And it was already an insane topic and it had already been a whirlwind kind of story because

00:22:29.820 what it's like, it was just like a couple of days. And then the president was back at the white house.

00:22:33.360 So yeah, I'm, I really wish it's almost like they needed somebody, a media professional there to say,

00:22:38.700 okay, now you need to explain to the press exactly why you gave him after remdesivir, why you gave him

00:22:45.020 this other anti-inflammatory, uh, that is used to treat all this other stuff, because then you had

00:22:49.900 Twitter being the doctor and we've already had Twitter, the gorilla experts. We've already had, 1.00

00:22:54.840 you know, Twitter, the space experts. Now we have Twitter, uh, the, the pharmacist and you can't ever

00:23:00.660 trust Twitter, but apparently that's how the media gets the basis for their story. So that's where we are.

00:23:05.400 And it's like, I, I like Dr. Conley at first. I'm like, okay, this guy's going to be a straight

00:23:09.240 shooter. He's going to give us the information. And then, then he says all sorts of wrong things,

00:23:13.600 right. That Trump had it for 72 hours and that wasn't true. And that they began treatment 48

00:23:17.740 hours earlier. And that wasn't true. Later had to come out and clarify. And then he explicitly said

00:23:22.680 they hadn't given him oxygen on Friday. And then 24 hours later had to admit that wasn't true.

00:23:27.820 I get it. If you want to protect your, your patient's privacy, to some extent, it's hard

00:23:32.200 when it's the president, um, and keep his attitude up. But the choice there is then to just say,

00:23:38.740 we're not going to talk about that, that we're not going to talk about, and just be,

00:23:41.860 just be honest about your caginess as opposed to lying. Cause now he's done us all a disservice

00:23:47.220 cause we no longer trust him. Um, so I understand why, why some of the press lost its mind because

00:23:54.000 the last thing you can do to the press is let them catch you in a direct contradiction when it has to

00:24:00.040 do with Trump. They're going to kill you. Right. If this is, if this had been Obama's doctor, 0.99

00:24:04.580 they would have been giving the guy a total pass, but it's Trump. So no. Um, but let me ask you about

00:24:09.740 the most intense criticism we've seen, I think has been over the secret service car ride and Trump

00:24:16.420 went out, uh, on, on Sunday and did a little like ride around with the crowd waving from inside with

00:24:22.900 the windows up. And to me, Dan, it was funny because after, after months of protesting in the

00:24:29.860 face of law enforcement, getting in the face of the secret service right outside of the white house and

00:24:34.380 telling them to F off, basically spitting all over them while they're screaming at them, you know, 0.51

00:24:39.080 with the black lives matter protest and so, so on. Suddenly, suddenly the left is very concerned 0.98

00:24:43.980 about the health of the secret service and really wants them treated with more respect.

00:24:49.320 Yeah, exactly. Suddenly blue lives matter, I guess. And I think that that's a great point as well,

00:24:54.340 because here nobody was concerned at all whatsoever about the black lives matter protest and this,

00:24:59.220 and how they could be super spreader events. And in fact, you will not find any reporting at all

00:25:03.740 whatsoever of them being treated as such. But the weird thing about this is how do they think Trump

00:25:07.900 got to the hospital? He didn't Harry Potter apparate from the white house into his presidential suite at

00:25:14.900 the, at the hospital at Walter Reed. He had to get in a chopper with secret service. And then everybody

00:25:21.800 became, and this is my favorite, Megan, everyone became experts on the presidential car. And they were

00:25:27.300 saying, well, you know, it's basically it's sealed tight and there's all the germs are in with them

00:25:32.100 together in this tube and they're all probably going to die. And then there were other people,

00:25:37.880 engineers and people who are familiar with the way that the automobile was constructed that say,

00:25:41.600 no, actually he's in his own, probably little glassed off vestibule inside. There's, there's

00:25:46.740 six double glass between him and secret service in the front seat. Since you all need to know this

00:25:51.440 so very badly that, I mean, that's, that's not an important issue. And the fact that they, the way that

00:25:57.560 this is why people don't trust legacy press. And we really want to right now, we desperately would

00:26:02.800 love to, I mean, that's, we want that to have that relationship, but stuff like this is why we

00:26:07.900 can't, they were apoplectic over this yesterday. It was trending all day. So, or the other day,

00:26:13.400 actually. So I, you know, I look at this and I, I, I don't think it was a huge deal. I don't think

00:26:18.060 it was, I mean, he had his face mask on secret service had their face mask on. He's the president.

00:26:22.560 He's got to be protected. I just, it was, it was so over the top. Um, I, I don't know. I'm waiting

00:26:29.340 to see what else the week holds. And not only that, but the secret service to your point,

00:26:33.720 not only were they in a car with him and a helicopter with him days earlier, but do people

00:26:38.500 think the secret service, like they don't get anywhere near the president they're protecting?

00:26:42.740 It was like, it's kind of their job to stay within six feet of him and make sure nothing bad happens.

00:26:48.080 And no one knows whether they have secret service agents who already have the antibodies

00:26:51.440 or what was done to protect them. So it's all speculation. And my own feeling was watching

00:26:57.000 the hysteria, the hysteria over that car ride was that what's really driving their anger over

00:27:04.820 this is not the car ride. It's over coronavirus misinformation in general and over Trump in

00:27:11.060 general. They, they hate him. Yeah. He disrupts it. Well, he also this, if he's, if he's recovering

00:27:17.340 as quickly as it said that he is, and it would appear that he is, then it completely disrupts

00:27:22.120 the narrative that the press has been selling everyone this entire time. Because the, the way

00:27:26.640 that, the way that the story works is that the moment you contract coronavirus, then you're

00:27:31.800 pretty much a fatality. That's kind of how they present it. And, and all of this discussion,

00:27:35.720 they have never put into context the severity of the cases, nor have they put into context the

00:27:40.580 recovery rate, which is incredibly important, particularly if you're hyping the fatality rate.

00:27:44.640 And so they sold this as, oh, well you have it, it's a fatality. And it was just ghoulish the way

00:27:51.400 that they were sort of just waiting on standby to see if the president's condition was going to

00:27:55.960 deteriorate more. And then he, they tweeted out the photos of him working and he tweeted all this

00:28:01.220 other stuff out of, of, you know, him, apparently he was sending pizzas to the supporters outside,

00:28:06.880 something like every 45 minutes he was sending pizzas or something like that, which I thought

00:28:11.100 was kind of funny. Uh, but then, you know, he's driving now he's, he's back at the white house 0.72

00:28:16.900 and, uh, they give word that he's ready to assume a full work schedule. He's going to be doing the

00:28:21.320 whole social distancing and quarantining. And that really contradicts what the media has been trying

00:28:26.120 to tell the public. They've been trying to sell us on continued lockdown. We need to lock down

00:28:30.680 again. And even more, none of the kids should go to school. You should wear a mask all the time,

00:28:35.160 even in your own home. And for crying out loud, some people are saying,

00:28:37.740 even during intimate times with your partners, you should stop it for crying out loud. It's just,

00:28:44.340 it's because we, Oh man, alive. They've actually been, I've talked about this on, on radio. They,

00:28:53.860 they're at, there have been some, uh, academics, uh, in the field of science who have said, well,

00:28:59.100 perhaps it's best that we even incorporate mass usage in the home and maybe even in the bedroom.

00:29:05.720 And I just know nobody's doing that. You're not, you don't put more things on,

00:29:09.160 but that's a whole other topic. I don't like, I haven't taken this close to look at it,

00:29:12.460 but like, aren't there like, is the Corona virus immune to all bodily fluids or just,

00:29:17.640 just the, the stuff that comes out of your saliva? I don't, it's starting to get too personal,

00:29:22.480 but I'm just thinking like, if I'm going to incorporate a mask into my bedroom routine,

00:29:26.020 it's going to be like a leather one. I don't know. I'll just like make the most of it,

00:29:29.320 but I'm just thinking this is an area where I do not want Dr. Fauci. Get out.

00:29:35.500 Yeah. No, I do not want Dr. Fauci's advice, uh, in that, in that area. And I especially do not

00:29:41.540 want a national mandate on facial prophylactic. No, you, you and Chris need no help in spicing up

00:29:47.660 your bedroom routine. This, I know about the two of you. So, okay. So the, the other,

00:29:52.560 the other problem they have is that, you know, Trump, he does seem to be doing better and you've

00:29:58.020 had, you know, we talked about this a minute ago, but you've got reporters like Vanity Fair's

00:30:02.080 Gabe Sherman tweeting out nonsense over the weekend about, this is the quote, just watch Trump's

00:30:08.020 hospital video a second time. His breathing is so clearly labored. He seems to be leaning on the

00:30:13.040 table for support. And there's so much fear in his eyes. So they invest in a narrative that the guy's

00:30:20.480 on his deathbed and then when he's driving around and he's returning, it's like, it can't be, it can't

00:30:26.700 be. Yeah, no. Yeah. The, the drama of it all, he should be, he should write for Harlequin. That

00:30:33.120 should, that should be his next gig in case this one falls through. It's, it's, it is this ghoulish

00:30:38.620 desire to, to see their, I mean, honestly, their wish fulfilled. I really think that they would love

00:30:45.220 the chaos that something of that consequence would throw the nation into. And I mean, we

00:30:51.060 all watch the same video. Yeah. If he were to, if he were to heaven forbid, if this were, if it were

00:30:56.300 to suddenly deteriorate and reverse and, and he would go the other way, which doesn't seem like

00:31:01.360 that's the, the, the natural progression once you contract this virus, you, and he's, I mean,

00:31:07.080 despite the fact that he is in an older age demographic, he's still, I mean, he's what I

00:31:12.100 think a little overweight, he said himself, but he's, he's relatively healthy. He doesn't

00:31:15.660 really have any vices. He's kind of straight edge. He doesn't have any vices, except maybe

00:31:20.360 perhaps the stress of the job, but that's about it. And so even then, even with, yeah. And

00:31:25.580 with other, with some of these other variables factored into it, I mean, he still has what a

00:31:30.140 99 or 95, 99% something recovery rate. I mean, it's, it's incredibly high.

00:31:35.200 No one wants to talk about that. I think his age has like a 90, 94.7 or nine, almost 95%

00:31:41.620 recovery rate, but they do, they have been treating this as though it's a stage for pancreatic

00:31:47.020 cancer, you know, just to get the COVID diagnosis at 74 years old. And it isn't true. It's, it's

00:31:52.220 riskier. And certainly when you're overweight, like Trump is, thanks to the McDonald's, um,

00:31:56.540 you know, it's riskier, but they, the odds are overwhelmingly in his favor. And you can just

00:32:02.680 sort of sense, right. There's a hope behind too many of these Democrats that something awful

00:32:09.360 will happen. And some of them actually put it in writing, which we've talked about,

00:32:12.040 you know, that some of them actually said like Hillary Clinton's old spokesperson expressly 0.95

00:32:15.660 saying, I hope he dies. I hope he, I mean, it's just gotten to that level.

00:32:20.080 And there's a reason why they would like for that to be prolonged. And the first and foremost,

00:32:24.520 the biggest reason is that Trump and Corona virus, because of the narratives that have been published

00:32:29.500 for months now, uh, that is where he is. That's the most difficult for him in polling.

00:32:34.540 And now here, as we're coming down the homestretch towards November, they, they need to not have the

00:32:39.640 attention shift from any kind of focus on the economy and the economic gains. I think, what

00:32:44.240 does it say? It's the, it's the fastest that we've ever seen in our nation's history. We're going to

00:32:48.740 have two economic comebacks in the span of four year period. So as long as the, if the news focuses

00:32:54.900 on that issue, that does really, really well for Trump because people vote their wallet. And I think

00:32:59.580 with the exception of one individual, there's only, there's never been a president not reelected

00:33:04.120 under a good economy. So they have to have this focus on Corona virus because that is what the

00:33:10.060 media hasn't has made his weak spot. And that has been his weak spot in some battleground states

00:33:15.000 with some independence. And so that's what they need to focus on.

00:33:18.180 That's why that's one of the reasons why him getting it at this time and it becoming

00:33:22.700 spreading like wildfire throughout his closest people is bad. It's no question. It's politically

00:33:27.840 bad for Trump because it does make it look like the thing that he's weakest on has come back to

00:33:33.520 hobble him right in his home. I want to ask you about the latest polls that were just out.

00:33:38.340 And I always say, I don't, I don't have that much faith in the national polls. The swing state polls

00:33:41.880 are more interesting, but it's interesting to me that the latest, uh, wall street journal, NBC poll

00:33:46.900 has now Biden with a, with a 14 point lead 53 over 39 to Trump. And they said the biggest advantage

00:33:55.180 Biden just gained was between, was with older voters and suburban women. And Reuters, Ipsos has

00:34:01.060 a similar, well, they have Biden up now 10 points. And so the question, I know Trump always says,

00:34:05.880 I won, I won, I won the debate. But the truth is the polls suggest he did not win the debate.

00:34:10.600 And I wonder whether we now have an answer to whether his behavior at that debate did hurt him with

00:34:16.380 not his core supporters, but the folks he really needs on his side, like older voters who he won last

00:34:21.800 time, but they seem to be migrating over to Biden. Right. And I haven't looked at any of the details

00:34:28.780 for this, any of the crosstab information from it. So I don't know where they're pulling some,

00:34:32.600 where they're, what area they're pulling their voters for, what the, how wide the spread is. But

00:34:37.000 I, I am curious to see what this does in the next week as well as, as the polling reflects,

00:34:44.440 like maybe, maybe, or maybe there, maybe there isn't even one. Let me shift gears with you and ask you

00:34:48.420 about Amy Coney Barrett in the hearings now, because we're already hearing some Democrats come

00:34:53.400 out and say, we cannot do this. The remote participation that Mitch McConnell is suggesting

00:34:59.060 we can do is inadequate for a lifetime appointment. And this needs to be postponed and we can't get her 0.98

00:35:07.060 confirmed. Yeah, well, it's inadequate or not, it would work absolutely fine. And I know you and I

00:35:14.340 were talking earlier and, you know, you made the point that if, you know, if our kids are,

00:35:18.180 are being, if they're doing remote learning and this is education for, I think most of the year

00:35:23.420 now for school, uh, if, if this is good enough for them, this is completely appropriate for this,

00:35:28.380 particularly since the constitution doesn't mandate a hearing, we don't have to have a hearing at all.

00:35:33.220 That's right. They didn't use to have them at all.

00:35:35.400 No, they didn't. And Mitch McConnell, I mean, if he really wants to be sassy about it, he can say,

00:35:39.780 okay, you know what? I understand how nervous you all are. Let's go ahead and just hold the vote.

00:35:43.140 We won't even bother with the hearing. We'll just have the vote right now. That might be kind

00:35:46.940 of a gamble for him, but at the same time, I think people would like the aggressiveness of it.

00:35:51.220 But yeah, there's nothing wrong with having a remote hearing and Amy Coney Barrett is someone 0.97

00:35:55.120 out of the candidates that we, that are on the list. She's already been, uh, pretty well vetted.

00:36:00.760 Um, obviously not everyone who everyone in America knows who she is. A lot of people are hearing

00:36:05.400 her for the first time, but, um, I mean, if they're nervous about having the hearing and go

00:36:09.280 ahead and have the vote, but either way, I mean, the president serves for four years, not three,

00:36:12.980 let's get it done. Yeah. They've, they've already had 21 hearings remotely since, uh, the pandemic

00:36:18.540 began. And, and the point I was just trying to make is, is if it's good enough for my kid

00:36:22.760 to learn remotely, then it's good enough for you senators to learn remotely about Amy Coney

00:36:26.860 Barrett. Exactly. Right. Like why, why the double standard, why do you have to actually be sitting

00:36:31.340 in the same room with her in order to understand it's an obvious dodge because they don't want her.

00:36:36.240 They're getting their, they're not getting their B-roll footage. They, this is the campaign footage

00:36:40.100 they all get. They all get footage of them yelling at this woman, just like they all got them 0.95

00:36:43.660 footage of themselves yelling at Kavanaugh. And then that's what they go and raise money with.

00:36:47.300 They want the spectacle of it. They want the theater. It's all a Victorian freak show.

00:36:52.840 That's what they want. And, but at the same time, part of me really wants the hearing because

00:36:57.100 they always overplay their hand every single time. And they absolutely, I guarantee it.

00:37:02.480 They would with Amy Coney Barrett as well. That is the only attraction that, that for me,

00:37:07.240 that I have with these, with, with this whole process. I, I would like hearings just to see

00:37:12.020 them overplay their hand.

00:37:13.840 Well, you may get it via remote. We'll find out. Dana, so good to hear from you. So good.

00:37:18.340 So good to speak with you.

00:37:19.860 Good to talk with you, Megan. Congrats again.

00:37:22.320 Thanks, Han. See you soon.

00:37:25.020 We've got Democrat Nomiki Kahn's coming up in a second. It's fair to say that she and I had a few

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00:39:12.340 Before we get to know Miki, we want to bring you a feature on the Megyn Kelly show that we call

00:39:16.020 Real Talk. It's basically my chance to talk about something going on in my life or something

00:39:20.020 personal that's happened to me that I want to talk to you about. And today it's Richie Sambora

00:39:24.900 and Jon Bon Jovi. Yes. Like most girls who grew up in the eighties, I love Jon Bon Jovi, the band.

00:39:31.520 I love Jon Bon Jovi and I also love the band Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. But it wasn't until later

00:39:37.320 in life that I actually met Richie Sambora at a charity event down south and he was helping raise

00:39:44.560 money for a bunch of kids, which is what he always does. And I loved the guy. Super sweet. Not at all

00:39:50.280 what you'd think when you meet a rock star, like sort of, I don't know, gruff or weathered, right?

00:39:56.520 He was just super warm and kind and self-deprecating. Well, it turned out about a year or two after that,

00:40:02.220 Doug and I were on vacation with our family and who was at the same hotel, but Richie Sambora.

00:40:06.640 So we spent a week with a guy in Hawaii, more than a week, basically on vacation with Richie.

00:40:13.200 We played tennis with him. You haven't lived until you've seen Richie Sambora and his tennis whites.

00:40:17.220 It's just like so incongruous. But he was so kind. He was so good with my kids.

00:40:22.700 And we just fell in love with the guy. Well, flash forward to just last night and I'm scrolling

00:40:28.580 through Twitter and I see an article by Jon Bon Jovi giving an interview. And, you know,

00:40:33.780 Richie left the band and those two had a falling out as so often happens. And that's fine.

00:40:38.180 But honestly, Jon Bon Jovi never misses an opportunity to take a hit on Richie Sambora.

00:40:43.340 Richie Sambora wrote all of that band's greatest hits. That's why he's in the Songwriters Hall of

00:40:48.160 Fame, as well as the Guitar Players Hall of Fame. He is the talent behind Bon Jovi. And that's why

00:40:54.520 Bon Jovi is not what it used to be without Richie Sambora. So fine. They parted. They should be classy

00:40:59.500 about it and say, OK, we had a lot of good years. Honestly, Jon Bon Jovi

00:41:03.560 should just be quiet when it comes to Richie Sambora, because what he said in this article,

00:41:07.180 because he's promoting a new album, was that, oh, you know, I really wish that Richie were still

00:41:11.040 part of the band. It's too bad. You know, if only he had his life together. And then he goes on and

00:41:16.700 says, you know, it's because of his inability to get it together that, you know, I went on to write

00:41:22.180 this other great song that I'm really proud of a couple of years ago. So shot after shot, Richie's a

00:41:27.780 hot mess. Richie doesn't have his life together. He can't get it together and so on. Now, I do know

00:41:32.440 Richie Sambora. Trust me when I tell you he has his life together. He's making money hand over a

00:41:38.360 fist, of course, because he gets a lot of money on the songs that he wrote and he's still writing

00:41:42.520 great music. But Richie Sambora, as you know, has a daughter, might know, with Heather Locklear.

00:41:48.600 And Heather's had a rough few years, as you've probably seen in the tabloids. And guess who's

00:41:52.820 been taking care of their daughter? Richie. And their daughter, Ava, has turned out beautifully.

00:41:58.420 She's doing really well. She's a college. She's a super together kid. Richie's a great active father,

00:42:04.260 which leaving the band helped him be at a time when their kid needed it. And on top of that,

00:42:09.600 I just want to tell you a quick story about Richie. During COVID, one of our lowest points was my son

00:42:15.760 Yates, who's now 11, lost his music teacher to COVID. It was awful. Mr. Sorrell. He was the sweetest

00:42:23.680 guy. Yates loved him. I mean, how often is it that your kid comes home and just keeps talking about one

00:42:28.060 teacher? Well, that was Mr. Sorrell for Yates. And sadly, he died from COVID. And it was awful for

00:42:35.520 the whole community. Well, Richie Sambora heard about it. And he contacted us and said, I want to

00:42:42.020 talk to Yates, who again, he had met in Hawaii briefly. He talks to Yates. He said, I too had a

00:42:47.900 music teacher who I loved. I understand the importance they can play in your life. They were on the phone

00:42:53.460 for hours. Shortly after they hang up, Richie Sambora sent a guitar to our home, an electric

00:43:03.100 guitar for my son with a huge amp, by the way, and contacted us saying, I want to teach Yates how to

00:43:10.100 play guitar. I want to help him learn music after the loss of Mr. Sorrell. And can I tell you that my

00:43:17.600 son Yates has been doing zooms once a week with Richie Sambora for months now? This guy's busy.

00:43:25.340 This guy still is pursuing a very busy and successful music career. And he takes an hour

00:43:29.300 out of his time week after week to sit with my 11 year old. So he still has someone to look up to

00:43:36.040 in the music world. So you can pound sand, Jon Bon Jovi, because Richie does have his life together.

00:43:43.560 He's a beautiful man. And he's been nothing but class. You could take a lesson. And now on a later

00:43:50.520 note, Nomiki Konst. Joining me now from the Democrat side is Nomiki Konst. Nomiki used to come on my show, 0.93

00:44:03.020 The Kelly File, all the time. And she was always a fierce loyalist to the Democrats, but a reasonable

00:44:07.800 person, a reasonable person on these issues. Nomiki, great to have you here.

00:44:11.380 Thanks for having me, Megan. And congratulations on that. Great show. Huge success.

00:44:16.020 Thank you. Thank you so much. I my own personal belief is that the reason Democrats are so angry

00:44:23.160 about that Trump car ride with the Secret Service isn't exactly about the Secret Service. It's just

00:44:28.580 it's like a metaphor for him doing what they think is reckless when it comes to coronavirus. And they just,

00:44:36.120 you know, they're they're resentful over six months of what they think is misinformation and poor

00:44:42.340 leadership, poor examples. What do you think? I think you're you're absolutely correct. I mean,

00:44:46.940 this was a symbol, as you said, it was a metaphor of of his not just his disconnect from the facts,

00:44:53.380 but his he is he's not just reckless. He's so obsessed with his own politics and that and he is

00:45:02.140 also an emblem of the entire Republican Party. I mean, just this week, Mitch McConnell with three

00:45:07.580 senators now who have tested positive for for COVID. Mitch McConnell wants to call an immediate

00:45:13.440 meeting, an urgent meeting to discuss the appointment of Amy Coney Barrett. But, you know,

00:45:19.000 I think the disconnect that Democrats are seeing with Republicans is really in empathy. It is there's

00:45:26.920 no hiding the truth at this point. I mean, the president obviously has COVID, but there's no

00:45:32.100 hiding the truth that they're more concerned with politics and winning the Senate and winning the

00:45:36.360 presidency over the lives of not just at this point, it could be millions of Americans, but their own

00:45:42.920 president. And I mean, I was out in Arizona this week, just a couple of days ago, I was in Scottsdale,

00:45:48.960 Arizona, and I saw one of these pop up rallies and Trump rallies, and it was a QAnon rally.

00:45:54.060 And I walked through and I wanted to ask everybody, you know, where do you where do you get your

00:45:58.440 information from? And immediately, without even, you know, thinking through who I could be was a

00:46:06.000 reporter, they they all ganged up on me saying, you know, we don't listen to fake news like you.

00:46:11.280 And they didn't know I had a mask on. They didn't know who I was. And they immediately said, well,

00:46:15.000 we get it from QAnon. We don't trust anybody else. And many of them thought that the president

00:46:19.580 didn't have COVID. And those who did think he had COVID thought it was part of a plan.

00:46:25.360 So this is the information from the base of the most loyal Republican Party members and Trump

00:46:31.340 loyalists. And that spreads. And so now wait, but let me challenge you on that. Yeah.

00:46:37.460 Maybe the QAnon folks out there thought that but I saw a tweet by Joy Reid over the weekend saying,

00:46:42.580 I've got a cell phone full of texts from people who aren't sure whether to believe Trump actually has

00:46:47.220 COVID. He lies so much. Our one friend texted and our one friend texted, she said, is he just doing

00:46:53.360 this to get out of the debates? Others are texting. Now that's put out by a primetime news anchor at

00:46:58.120 MSNBC. I mean, come on. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think Joy Reid has an interesting history of the

00:47:03.800 facts, but that's a whole other conversation for another time. I mean, I, you know, and this is one

00:47:11.160 of the issues that I think we have in cable news is there are a lot of folks on there who may not

00:47:15.700 necessarily understand the complexity of politics. And that's why I love when I see different sides

00:47:20.820 come together and you see Republicans and Democrats actually think through the issues on cable news.

00:47:25.420 First off, Trump doesn't want to look weak. So why would he make up the fact that he has COVID? I

00:47:29.700 mean, that is, he has a fear of that. And he also doesn't want to acknowledge his failure of handling

00:47:35.480 COVID. And even beyond the, I mean, the fact that QAnon is so desperate to say that he doesn't have,

00:47:40.220 it shows that he actually has it because they're trying to cover up everything that he does. They

00:47:47.040 try to pretend to the loyal base that doesn't consume any other news. Um, they're trying to

00:47:52.460 pretend that, you know, any weakness is not there. I think your point is right though. He doesn't,

00:47:58.140 he always wants to project strength. There's no way Trump would invent COVID when he didn't have it,

00:48:03.080 especially because this is the last thing he wants in the news all the time. COVID, COVID,

00:48:07.300 COVID, COVID, you know, he wants to talk about the economy. He wants to talk about Amy Coney Barrett.

00:48:11.300 Uh, he wants to talk about what he says was a win in the debate, though the polls suggest something

00:48:15.500 else, but he doesn't want to talk about coronavirus at all. And this, this undercuts everything Trump

00:48:21.940 wants to do. So there's zero chance he invented this. However, uh, I do think there was a reason to

00:48:27.200 be upset over the crazy doctor, uh, Dr. Conley over the weekend, who was like, it started 72 hours. Oh no,

00:48:34.240 it was 48 hours. And we, he had his first medication 48 hours. Oh no, it was 24 hours.

00:48:38.140 Oh, and everything's super rosy. Oh no, I just lied. Cause that's what my patient wanted me to do.

00:48:42.120 Who am I? Osteopath. That's what he is. Sir, take a seat, sir. Is there a nurse somewhere who can help

00:48:49.540 us? Exactly. I don't want to hear from Dr. Conley ever again. No, no. I mean, that was an embarrassment.

00:48:56.220 And, and I, I wish, you know, at this point, I don't even know what to say, how you hold the

00:49:02.460 presidency, you know, the white house accountable for something like that. But, um, I think this

00:49:07.580 point also, most of the news media can see through it. You know, the last thing that I think is really

00:49:12.180 important to keep in mind here is most people are voting right now. I mean, really like not most

00:49:16.280 people, but a good chunk of America is voting right now in Arizona, where I just was, uh, you know,

00:49:20.920 at that rally, 80% of Arizonans vote early. That is before COVID. That is before 2020. That is

00:49:28.460 something, you know, Republican, a governor leads the state of Arizona. This is not a, this is not

00:49:34.080 a left-wing issue. So you have folks going to the polls right now. And so if he wants to make the case

00:49:41.180 to the American people or to the 3% of undecideds, wherever they may be, he needs to be on the trail.

00:49:46.560 He needs to be on camera regularly. And you know, you know, Donald Trump, he doesn't want to be off

00:49:52.000 the camera. He wants to be in control of the narrative at all times. Well, his family's going

00:49:56.140 to be out there. His surrogates will be out there, but there's only one Trump. And exactly. I mean,

00:49:59.940 I see your point, but I do think it's tough. I mean, it's tough. It's easy for President Trump

00:50:04.280 to gin up enthusiasm among his loyal supporters and make sure they get out to the polls. The bigger

00:50:09.680 challenge has been to gin up more support amongst those who have left him or on the fence about him.

00:50:15.820 And that's, that's the work he has to do between now and November 3rd. But I mean, you know him,

00:50:20.840 he's going to be, as soon as he is physically able, he's going to be back out there. I want to ask you

00:50:25.040 this. So I don't, I don't know. I know people are saying they're, they're very angry at him. And

00:50:30.400 some are suggesting that the fact that half the white house now seems to have been infected. It's

00:50:35.060 like Hope Hicks, Trump, Melania, the assistant to the president, Kellyanne Conway, Chris Christie,

00:50:38.800 Mike Lee, Senator Tom Tillis, Ronald McDonald, John Jenkins from Notre Dame, who was at the Amy Coney Barrett,

00:50:43.360 Bill Steppi and his campaign manager, Senator John, Ron Johnson, I could go on. Right. So it's

00:50:47.320 like, this certainly seems to have spread awfully fast. You know, in part, we assume due to

00:50:52.580 precautionary measures not having been taken. But does that actually affect the vote? Because I do

00:50:58.300 think in general, Republicans are of the view that one takes responsibility for one's personal choices.

00:51:04.360 You know, no one forced Chris Christie to go into the debate prep room without a mask on for a week.

00:51:08.080 And, you know, people make different choices depending on their risk level and the situation

00:51:13.140 they're in. And I just don't know if the American public is going to be like, Trump bad because of

00:51:20.380 the COVID outbreak there. Again, I think it's, you know, 2016 was decided by two things. Very low

00:51:30.760 turnout among certain demographics in, you know, really working people making under $50,000 who

00:51:37.380 traditionally vote for Democrats. They didn't turn out the rates that they expected in 2016.

00:51:41.960 But also it came down to, you know, 50,000 votes in three states. So if the 3% comes down to whether

00:51:48.920 it's the Rust Belt or the Sun Belt, depending on the strategy, you know, it's how that 3% 0.99

00:51:55.340 sees this crisis as an emblem for all crises. I think in previous years, maybe in the last 10 to 15

00:52:02.180 years, Democrats have relied heavily on the presidential ticket. It seems like it's actually

00:52:06.040 coming from the grassroots this time around. Folks, if they don't feel like Biden's organizing

00:52:10.500 enough, or maybe they do, they still are organizing through their own independent groups for local

00:52:16.700 candidates, statewide candidates. And so, you know, they just, the enthusiasm, it needs to be at levels

00:52:23.520 that we haven't seen probably since 2008 to be able to make up for anybody who may not be able to,

00:52:30.540 I mean, he tried. Biden has tried to move Republicans over. Maybe he did. Maybe he moved a few of them.

00:52:35.120 But the counter to any voter suppression, or folks not, you know, thinking that the virus is

00:52:41.400 indicative of Trump's failures is really for Democrats to turn out at record rates.

00:52:45.880 I think it's like, my own personal view is that Biden didn't move anybody anywhere. Trump moved

00:52:49.900 everybody everywhere. If you're in Trump's camp, Trump got you there. If you're out of Trump's camp,

00:52:54.960 Trump got you there. You know, it's like Biden has just been sort of sitting down behind his big

00:52:59.380 mask saying like, go for it, sir. I'm just gonna watch, watch and learn. Okay, question to you

00:53:06.600 about some of the hypocrisy. And I understand, you know, that the ride in the Secret Service card,

00:53:12.160 why it was controversial. But I was pointing out earlier that part of the problem is, it's hard to

00:53:18.860 get people really upset about this when we had the Black Lives Matter protests all summer, and people

00:53:23.020 were like, Oh, the virus understands not to attack people who are protesting over, you know,

00:53:26.980 perceived racial inequality. People are like, what? How smart is this thing? And the Ruth Bader

00:53:33.640 Ginsburg memorials, like impromptu gatherings on the Supreme Court, where everybody was on top of

00:53:37.920 each other, not to mention the March on Washington, where people were jammed in like sardines, like

00:53:42.360 sardines. And so, you know, I think a lot of people are looking at this, like, can you can you spare

00:53:47.240 us? Can you not lecture us on Trump's, you know, two minute ride outside of Walter Reed in his

00:53:52.260 sealed car with Secret Service agents who may or may not have had any antibodies or taken the risk

00:53:56.860 unwillingly? We don't know. But you know what I mean? It's like, it's tough to take the protestations

00:54:01.800 and the expressions of shock seriously. Well, you know, a couple of things. We don't really know

00:54:08.920 what happened with all these other scenarios, because most likely the folks aren't as, except for

00:54:14.680 speakers, as well known. What was interesting about the Black Lives Matter protests over the

00:54:19.120 summer and the uprising was, you know, a good chunk of folks were wearing masks. I'm not gonna say

00:54:23.260 everybody. Clearly, they were all over the country. And it was outside. And there is a lot of evidence

00:54:29.120 to say that being outside with airflow makes a huge difference. So just putting that aside. But

00:54:34.740 I think what's really going on when when Trump gets in, takes a ride around Walter Reed, when

00:54:41.740 reports are saying he is being, you know, doctors are working in multiple ways trying to treat him

00:54:47.120 from every single direction. I think it just shows how desperate he is to prove that he is strong

00:54:53.440 at a moment. And that shows how desperate he is and how worried he is about these polls.

00:54:59.560 Well, why does it show that he's just trying to reassure his supporters he was sending the pizza

00:55:03.220 out to and give people an uplifting moment? I mean, I saw on Twitter over Saturday, people who I really

00:55:07.700 like on Twitter who are, you know, in the middle saying, maybe sure it'd be nice if you just tweet

00:55:12.660 something like just a little worried about him. And then he did put out a couple of videos. But I

00:55:17.520 think why can't it just be an attempt to reassure people he is okay. Don't believe people's suppositions

00:55:23.940 that he's, you know, on death's door. And, you know, I'm good. I'm here. I'm getting treated,

00:55:29.180 but I'm good. Okay, I want to ask you about you mentioned the QAnon thing. And you went out to the

00:55:32.840 rally. This is in Arizona. So we have a clip of you interviewing the folks out there. And I wanted to

00:55:38.660 follow up with you on this. So let's listen. What about Trump being at Walter Reed? Incapacitated.

00:55:46.940 He's admitted as a, his doctor did a press conference. No, I just saw, he just did a

00:55:56.300 press conference. He's been laying. His doctor just went on air about an hour ago and said he's

00:56:00.240 laying down right now. I'm not debating. You challenged the word incapacitated and said he's

00:56:08.320 not, but vice president is taking over duties because he is incapacitated.

00:56:14.860 He's not incapacitated.

00:56:16.720 What are you doing there? Why, why are you spreading misinformation like that?

00:56:20.460 Well, granted that was, to be fair, that was two days ago, two days ago. And so the news that

00:56:26.660 morning, right before the press conference was saying that the vice president was likely to take

00:56:31.000 over duties because he was incapacitated and bad. Now, no, it wasn't. There were no confirmed news

00:56:35.760 reports that said that. So he, so, so the problem that she was having was that she came to me and

00:56:41.760 now there's a much larger video. There's 10 and a half minutes of this, um, in which she said, you

00:56:45.620 know, he's laying down, he's fine. He gave a rally yesterday. So there was more to this conversation

00:56:50.900 and that she, she came in and she's like, by the way, only person of color comes to me has a script.

00:56:56.240 So there's, they're organizing going to media because they want to, you know, portray themselves as

00:57:00.300 by a diverse group of Trump supporters. But, you know, she was very scripted and she said, he gave

00:57:05.480 a rally yesterday. And I said, well, no, he didn't. He did not give a rally yesterday. He's

00:57:09.020 incapacitated. Now, granted, this was minutes after the press conference in which he was being

00:57:15.280 admitted. The doctor said he was admitted as a patient. They did not believe he was admitted as

00:57:19.360 a patient. You know very well he wasn't incapacitated. I mean, because I'm just giving you jazz because

00:57:22.920 you, you said that these are, you know, the sort of the tin hat folks who don't understand

00:57:27.020 information and don't have their facts. But what you said is not true. And, and you were misleading

00:57:31.460 in that exchange. Well, there's, okay. So I hear what you're saying here and there's the legal

00:57:36.360 definition of incapacity that we all know now, two days later, after there's been a public

00:57:39.920 conversation about whether or not vice president Pence is taking over. But two days prior when this

00:57:45.440 conversation, when they just asked the doctor, is he, how is he doing? He's laying down. He is resting.

00:57:52.400 He's, is he a patient? Yes, he's a patient. Will the vice president take over?

00:57:56.240 That does not mean incapacity. Then I am incapacitated every night from 10 PM to

00:57:59.640 six AM. Well, that's what she said. That's what she said. The difference is you're not in

00:58:03.660 Walter Reed hospital and they're not having conversations about vice president taking

00:58:06.840 over two days. I know. That was the conversation at that moment. No one was having a serious

00:58:10.000 conversation about vice president Pence taking over. Nobody. Only the president's detractors were

00:58:13.780 saying that. No, it was all over the media. They, in the press conference, they asked these

00:58:18.420 questions. The New York Times shouting a question at the, at Mark Meadows doesn't mean people are

00:58:24.580 talking about. I mean, that's like a reporter looking for a headline that you were suggesting.

00:58:28.200 It's like the white house may be transferring power under the 25th amendment. Like, right. So

00:58:32.820 anyway, I got to give you a hard time about that because I feel like, you know, the folks are out

00:58:36.500 there, they're supporting him. Some people genuinely are scared and love him. Uh, so I would say that

00:58:42.080 wasn't your best move. No, but this is also this, this is an example of why it's important to have

00:58:48.200 consistent information coming from the white house because it is changing by the minute that,

00:58:52.940 you know, that morning CNN everywhere during the press conference, the conversation was very much

00:58:57.380 around is vice president going to take power, not control power, at least take over the duties of

00:59:02.480 the day while he's in the hospital. Like they did with George W. Bush when George W. Bush had a,

00:59:06.880 a minor medical procedure and he had to go under with anesthesia. So, I mean, this, this isn't like

00:59:11.620 the transfer of power and what happens, uh, you know, for months before the election,

00:59:16.240 before inauguration, it's, it's really just about what happens when a doctor says he's a patient at

00:59:20.360 a hospital and he's a president. I'm still banging the gong on this one, getting the hook and banging

00:59:25.580 the gong. Uh, but listen, I, I love talking to you and I appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 06, 2020

POTUS Has COVID, with Dana Loesch, Olivia Nuzzi and Nomiki Konst ｜ Ep. 6

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