POTUS Has COVID, with Dana Loesch, Olivia Nuzzi and Nomiki Konst ｜ Ep. 6
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Trump has COVID, and the media is melting down. So what does it mean for this race, less than a month from Election Day? Joining us today are voices from the right and the left, and a very well-sourced White House reporter with the inside scoop.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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Today, Trump has COVID and the media is melting down.
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So what does it mean for this race less than a month out from Election Day?
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Joining us today, voices from the right and the left and a very well-sourced
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Hey, everyone, it's Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
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I've got a lot of thoughts on what's been happening now with Trump's diagnosis and the First Lady's,
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along with about 40,000 others in and around the president.
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But my number one takeaway is we would all be better served if we could trust that doctor.
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Trump's got to get somebody out there who doesn't engage in puffery or real estate sales
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by trying to change the information we're getting and just lays it on the line.
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The guy had a high fever. He had some oxygen. He's doing much better.
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Why can't they just be straight? That's fine. That serves the president and it serves us.
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But of course, the media did what the media does and went full on conspiratorial on us.
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So hopefully that's where we come in as we're going to try to give it to you straight.
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We've got voices, as I said, from the left and the right today.
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We've got Nomiki Konst. She's a she's a lefty. She used to come on the Kelly file all the time.
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She's good, although she did something a little controversial, which we're going to get into.
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We've got Olivia Nuzzi. She's from New York Magazine.
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She's also from the left. And I think you're going to find what she has to say about the media
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And we've got Dana Lash, one of my personal favorites.
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She's a nationally syndicated radio host, and she is raring to go on the Democrats' attempt
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to push back the Amy Coney Barrett hearings because they say this cannot
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Is your head spinning from the past 72 hours or longer?
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I mean, my head has been spinning from the last five years of covering Donald Trump.
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This is this is a relationship with irreconcilable differences and the consequences of those
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irreconcilable differences are center stage because the media, in my opinion, has not reported
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fairly on Donald Trump and Donald Trump and the White House have, of course, lied to the media.
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And now we're seeing the consequences of that destructive, awful relationship.
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It's been more of the sort of the punditry in media that's gone off the rails.
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Donald Trump sets the tone for his White House.
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If people if he cannot trust his most senior staffers, which has been consistently the case
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since the beginning of his political career, certainly that seems like a Donald Trump problem,
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If it's been true under every chief of staff, it's been true under every regime in this White House
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on the camp on both campaigns. That strikes me as a problem with the executive.
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Well, especially since Trump said he hires the best people.
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And well, I think I think it's a situation where, number one, Trump is the most unusual
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leader we've had in in generations. And the way he is in general is he's a destroyer of things.
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He's a wrecker, which is why he got hired. Right.
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They wanted to go down in Washington and just wreck shit.
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And and he's been doing it. And so that's why his core supporters are like, great,
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may not be the prettiest package, may have a lot of rough edges, but we'll take it because
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status quo wasn't working for us. Mitt Romney was the perfect package.
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He looked good. He had the perfect hair. And they were like, no.
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Are you saying Trump's hair is not perfect, Megan?
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I actually ran my fingers through that hair one time, Olivia.
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And I can confirm it's not really a comb over. It's like it's all there. It's it's legit.
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But but anyway, it feels kind of like a cobweb to me.
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I don't know. It was actually quite nice. If you want to know the truth. I'll defend
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President Trump's hair. I think very soft hands, too.
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If he doesn't if he doesn't overspray it, it's better. But anyway, I think that that's why.
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So it's like if you if you want a truly pleasant working environment, that's probably not where
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you go to work in any White House, number one, but certainly not in the Trump White House.
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But I also think it goes back to my irreconcilable differences because the press exit on and the
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press wants to foment, you know, controversy within these guys and make it like a Game of
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Look, everyone wants to talk about the the leftward media bias in the press.
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And I think that there is certainly some legitimacy to that criticism that we could spend hours
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and hours talking about. But I think that the the bigger truth is that the press is biased
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towards conflict. You know, we want drama when we watch any event, when we read any speech,
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when we watch any interview or conduct any interview. What are we looking for? We're looking
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for the conflict. We're looking for the friction. That is usually the easiest way to pretend even
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if they're not just get. No, I think it goes beyond that. I think this is true before getting clicks was
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even something that a phrase that people would recognize. Right. Before you could click on
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anything. I think that friction and drama. I mean, it's like it's just like entertainment.
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Right. It's what's the next development. It's the easiest way to push the story forward
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is to have some sort of lurch in the direction of conflict. And I think that's what we tend to look
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for. That's what they say. So what what now speaking of the press and its dishonesty, I've got to ask you
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specifically about one guy, Gabe Sherman, this guy, he's at Vanity Fair now. But can I tell you,
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so this guy, he made his name reporting on Roger Ailes and Fox News. This is the only reason people
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know that name at all. And I used to read his stuff while I was at Fox because it concerned,
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you know, my workplace and the people I worked with and sometimes me. And I would say Gabe Sherman
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had his facts right less than 50 percent of the time, you know, someplace between 40 and 50 percent,
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but was 100 percent wrong all the rest of the time. And somehow this passed for reporting and he was
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allowed to go on and on. He would he would have one source for something who would be anonymous and
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they would let him run with this. And now he's doing his same act over at Vanity Fair. And it seems to me
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he's been let he's been allowed to run loose too long because one of one of his reports over the
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weekend. And I will quote sources, colon, Trump had heart palpitations on Friday, a high fever or his
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fever reached one hundred and three and a G7 ally wonders if he'll appoint Ivanka president instead of
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Pence. He's lost it. I mean, for any. That's like not how the Constitution works. Oh, my God, Olivia.
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How did they let him how did they let him put that out there?
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Look, I have no insight into the editing process there. There are some fantastic editors at the
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fair. Gabe Sherman wrote for New York magazine for a very long time, which is obviously where I work.
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I was going to do you the favor of not mentioning much, much of his work there certainly was extremely
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consequential, important work, holding people in power accountable. I don't want to, you know,
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speak ill of a former colleague. But I think that in the Trump era, there have we've seen time and
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time again, there kind of been this lower there's been this lowering of standards, I think, when it
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comes to what we will abide with sourcing, what we will abide with. Just kind of a gut check on
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common sense when it comes to reporting on this president. And I think that we across the board
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have sometimes permitted things to get by or be promoted that don't make very much sense. And I, you
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attack a former colleague. And I don't want to, as I said before, I think on balance, the reporting in
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the Trump era has been very good. I know you disagree with that assessment. But I think that
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across the board, we permit things to kind of storylines, narratives to take hold that if it
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were on the other side, I don't think that we would. Absolutely not. If it were about Barack Obama,
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I don't think that we would. Absolutely not. But it's more complicated than this, right? Like we could
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talk about this for a whole week straight. And I could do 25 examples, but in a sea of
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egregious press statements, this one stands alone. I mean- There was an editor at BuzzFeed who I
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thought made a very good point about this report, which is that now is not the time to do shit like
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this. Now is not the time to single source outrageous claims or use attribution like one
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Republican said, you know, like, what the hell does that mean? One Republican that could be,
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a Republican could be anybody, right? If you're someone who knows, and this is not about Gabe in
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particular, I'm actually writing a story about this very thing right now about these anonymous
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Well, doesn't this irritate you? Because when you have somebody like that putting out nonsense,
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total nonsense like that, first of all, it's not news that someone might wonder if he's going to
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appoint Ivanka instead of Pence, right? That can't happen. But it's not news that someone is wondering
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about that. It's just sensationalistic, just like his other tweet over the weekend about how
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you could see the fear in Donald Trump's eyes. It's like, Gabe, STFU, just stop.
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You're not helping. And in my view, he undermines reporters like you, who I don't think you're
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pro-Trump, but you do at least have sources. I read your stuff all the time. I've always known
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you to be fair. And you have sources and you won't report it until you have sources. And I think
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there's too many Gabe Shermans out there who are like, I smell problems for the president. Let's go
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with it. Well, I think that the problem, you know, you were talking about the Russia reporting
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earlier, and I think that there are, there has not been a media reckoning on how the Russia story was
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handled. And there were a lot of things that I found to be totally egregious and totally embarrassing
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about how that story was handled and how the left was allowed to kind of conspiracy monger
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about that. And still, it's still pervasive, these conspiracies, and how that was taken seriously in a
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mainstream way. And I find the same to be true about a lot of stories that are questionably sourced
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about the president, his mood or whether or not he's fuming. And a lot of those stories are
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legitimate. I hear from people who are with the president who say like, you know, he's in a bad
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mood today or he's screaming today. That doesn't mean that all of those stories are not legitimate,
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but I think, you know, as someone who's sophisticated about the media, you'll read something when the
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sourcing is not quite right, right? It doesn't seem that solid. But I think unfortunately, there are a
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lot of people who really started tuning into the day by day coverage of this administration or of
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politics in general on November 9th of 2016, who are not as sophisticated, and they get saved by this
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kind of stuff. And I think it's very dangerous. It's kind of it's how I felt about, you know,
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reporting on me too. If the New York Times is going to spend a year on investigation, they make sure
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it has no holes in it. They're rock solid on everything. It does not help anyone's cause to
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run some anonymously sourced allegation someplace else. I'm trying to remember who originally broke
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the ridiculous Julie Swetnick gang rape allegations involving Brett Kavanaugh, obviously untrue and
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peddled by, as Tucker calls him, creepy porn lawyer, Michael Avenatti, who's now under arrest,
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facing felony charges. That's a sign of intelligence on your part, right? If you're defined by who your
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enemies are. I always laugh because it's like, over the past couple of years, I've had, I've gotten
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a big dust ups with Anthony Weiner, Steve Bannon, and Michael Avenatti, too, all of whom are either
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under indictment or already went to prison or likely to. So it's like, yeah, I feel pretty good.
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I was reporting something the other day. And I was just telling my boyfriend this this morning,
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I was like, you know, I'm going through my Rolodex of sources, and I'm trying to confirm
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something as like half the people are like in jail or indicted or have COVID. I'm just like,
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Jesus Christ, can we just like, can everyone calm down so I can continue to report on this
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administration? It's talking about drinking from the fire hose of news. It's been it's been like the
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fire hydrant these past couple years. Okay, so where does that leave us? Where does that leave us now
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with the elections barreling down upon us on November 3? What do you what do you think is
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likely to happen with Trump getting back on the campaign trail, which you know, he's itching to do
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and like, how do you think this whole thing affects the race?
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Well, before we can talk about Trump getting back on the campaign trail, I think we have to talk about
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him getting back on his feet. We have no idea right now at the time that you and I are speaking, we
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still do not know the last time that the president tested negative. The White House has not given us
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answers about that. We do not know what exactly is wrong with his lungs. His doctor is very evasive
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about that. His doctor, I think is sowing doubt and distrust in you know, what this administration
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is telling us what the White House is telling us. I think he's doing the president a tremendous
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disservice. So I think before we can talk about whether or not he's going to get back on the campaign
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trail, we have to know whether or not he's okay. And right now we can we do there's no reliable
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information coming out of this White House or from the president's medical team.
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That's the most irritating thing about Dr. Conley, right? It's like, if he wanted to not
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tell the truth about Trump's fever or his oxygen, he should have just said, I have no information
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for you on that at this time, or we're not going to get into that and just make it obvious.
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I don't want to talk about it. But the last thing you do is lie. And even when he came out
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and acknowledged his lie, you know, he admitted that he was trying to paint a more rosy picture.
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And that said, when he owned up to it, he said, and I quote, I didn't want to give any information
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that might steer the course of illness in another direction. Apparently, that means he didn't want
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to, like, dampen Trump's spirits. And in doing so, you know, it came off that we were trying to hide
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something which wasn't necessarily true. What? Necessarily? Dr. Conley, you're no good at this.
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You're no good at this, sir. Back into the OR, you go.
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Yeah, no, I mean, Doogie Howser over there with his, like, good vibes only approach to briefing
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the public, I don't think that this is going to work out very well for the president. And I understand,
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you know, a lot of people talking about the pressure that they feel to please the president
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when they talk to the media, or when they go about their job, if it doesn't have to do with
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interfacing with the media. There's a lot of anxiety about pleasing the president. And I can see how
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it could lead to this type of situation. But I don't think that the president is helped in the end.
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And I don't know if he knows this. I don't think that he's helped in the end by having someone
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out there making it seem like this is Weekend at Bernie's. And that's kind of how it's coming
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That's Biden's gig. Trump should not get in on that.
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But, you know, and, but I think that just back to the campaign, you know, I saw a lot of allies
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of the president, campaign surrogates, mocking Joe Biden yesterday, even after, you know, all of this
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started, uh, after the president did his little COVID parade outside of Walter Reed, I saw them
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mocking Joe Biden saying, Oh, the president still did more, um, more public events today than Joe
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Biden. They're still trying to push this narrative, um, that Joe Biden is like adult sick and not well
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enough to be out on the campaign trail. Even when the president is hospitalized with the virus that
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has killed 200,000 Americans. I think that is ridiculous. And I think their lack of a message is
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really going to hurt them in this, uh, sprint to election day.
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But Joe Biden hasn't exactly been ubiquitous. I mean, as we both know, there are ways of
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communicating, but he, the guy puts a lid on the press at like eight Oh two in the morning.
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Right. So it's like, let's not pretend Joe Biden doesn't have a strategy of staying in his basement
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and, and doing a weekend at Bernie's. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. We'll, we'll find out.
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I think that he's benefited tremendously from, from the fact that this virus has permitted him to stay
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out of, uh, out of view and stay away from the press. And, you know, he does not have to risk
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having a gas a minute as he ordinarily would. If he was, and it gives him the excuse, COVID gives
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him the excuse of just looking like he's being responsible. But meantime, there are lots of ways
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of speaking with voters and the press that are COVID friendly, you know, safe, and he, he's not
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going to do it. And, and I don't, I understand why it's working for him. If I were his advisor,
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I'd say thumbs up, keep it rolling. Cause you're winning. Um, that's the predicament
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Trump's in now is that Biden is winning according to most of the polls and Trump, he has time.
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And he also probably has the secret Trump voters, but he's going to have to do something. He's going
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to have to do something between now and November 3rd to appeal to those women and seniors.
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Olivia, it's always good talking to you. Thank you. And get some sleep.
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and we were, they were going down the slides and they were going through the corn maze and I'm looking
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at Twitter like, Oh my God, what? Right. Were you having the same reaction?
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Yeah. Well, I wake up every single day and I just wait to see what trend. So one of the first things
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that I do in the morning is I, I will actually go to trending topics and see what's up because it's
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always some goofy phrase or something insane that you couldn't, that you did not have on your 2020
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bingo card. And then I just, then that's how the day starts. The day predictably takes on that
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insane tone. Right. Well, I, you know, the headline was basically Trump lied about when he got Corona,
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you know, and it was, he got it, he got it Wednesday instead of Thursday. And of course I'm
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like, what? And as it turns out, you can blame that somewhat on the media, but mostly on the doctor,
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that Dr. Conley who came out and was like 72 hours ago, that guy, I'm telling you, like,
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I feel like he was the biggest loser of the weekend, right? Because he just sacrificed his
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credibility. He was all over the place with information and now we can't trust him.
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Yeah. And, and I, I don't know if he was just trying to be careful with his words. And I was
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really trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because I kept telling myself, okay, just, you know,
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he's a doctor, he's not really a media professional and he probably never anticipated himself being in
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this position, but just, it was just kind of cagey with some of the stuff that he would say.
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And it required the white house to come back and kind of clarify a couple of things. And then when
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he was explaining, for instance, some of the drugs that they were giving the president and what they
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seemed almost contradictory. I mean, I only play a pretend farmer. I'm only pretend pharmacist on air,
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just a little bit more about exactly why they were giving the president's drugs that they were
00:22:19.100
and in tandems like they were. Um, because it just made, it just made everyone's question even
00:22:24.320
more. And it was already an insane topic and it had already been a whirlwind kind of story because
00:22:29.820
what it's like, it was just like a couple of days. And then the president was back at the white house.
00:22:33.360
So yeah, I'm, I really wish it's almost like they needed somebody, a media professional there to say,
00:22:38.700
okay, now you need to explain to the press exactly why you gave him after remdesivir, why you gave him
00:22:45.020
this other anti-inflammatory, uh, that is used to treat all this other stuff, because then you had
00:22:49.900
Twitter being the doctor and we've already had Twitter, the gorilla experts. We've already had,
00:22:54.840
you know, Twitter, the space experts. Now we have Twitter, uh, the, the pharmacist and you can't ever
00:23:00.660
trust Twitter, but apparently that's how the media gets the basis for their story. So that's where we are.
00:23:05.400
And it's like, I, I like Dr. Conley at first. I'm like, okay, this guy's going to be a straight
00:23:09.240
shooter. He's going to give us the information. And then, then he says all sorts of wrong things,
00:23:13.600
right. That Trump had it for 72 hours and that wasn't true. And that they began treatment 48
00:23:17.740
hours earlier. And that wasn't true. Later had to come out and clarify. And then he explicitly said
00:23:22.680
they hadn't given him oxygen on Friday. And then 24 hours later had to admit that wasn't true.
00:23:27.820
I get it. If you want to protect your, your patient's privacy, to some extent, it's hard
00:23:32.200
when it's the president, um, and keep his attitude up. But the choice there is then to just say,
00:23:38.740
we're not going to talk about that, that we're not going to talk about, and just be,
00:23:41.860
just be honest about your caginess as opposed to lying. Cause now he's done us all a disservice
00:23:47.220
cause we no longer trust him. Um, so I understand why, why some of the press lost its mind because
00:23:54.000
the last thing you can do to the press is let them catch you in a direct contradiction when it has to
00:24:00.040
do with Trump. They're going to kill you. Right. If this is, if this had been Obama's doctor,
00:24:04.580
they would have been giving the guy a total pass, but it's Trump. So no. Um, but let me ask you about
00:24:09.740
the most intense criticism we've seen, I think has been over the secret service car ride and Trump
00:24:16.420
went out, uh, on, on Sunday and did a little like ride around with the crowd waving from inside with
00:24:22.900
the windows up. And to me, Dan, it was funny because after, after months of protesting in the
00:24:29.860
face of law enforcement, getting in the face of the secret service right outside of the white house and
00:24:34.380
telling them to F off, basically spitting all over them while they're screaming at them, you know,
00:24:39.080
with the black lives matter protest and so, so on. Suddenly, suddenly the left is very concerned
00:24:43.980
about the health of the secret service and really wants them treated with more respect.
00:24:49.320
Yeah, exactly. Suddenly blue lives matter, I guess. And I think that that's a great point as well,
00:24:54.340
because here nobody was concerned at all whatsoever about the black lives matter protest and this,
00:24:59.220
and how they could be super spreader events. And in fact, you will not find any reporting at all
00:25:03.740
whatsoever of them being treated as such. But the weird thing about this is how do they think Trump
00:25:07.900
got to the hospital? He didn't Harry Potter apparate from the white house into his presidential suite at
00:25:14.900
the, at the hospital at Walter Reed. He had to get in a chopper with secret service. And then everybody
00:25:21.800
became, and this is my favorite, Megan, everyone became experts on the presidential car. And they were
00:25:27.300
saying, well, you know, it's basically it's sealed tight and there's all the germs are in with them
00:25:32.100
together in this tube and they're all probably going to die. And then there were other people,
00:25:37.880
engineers and people who are familiar with the way that the automobile was constructed that say,
00:25:41.600
no, actually he's in his own, probably little glassed off vestibule inside. There's, there's
00:25:46.740
six double glass between him and secret service in the front seat. Since you all need to know this
00:25:51.440
so very badly that, I mean, that's, that's not an important issue. And the fact that they, the way that
00:25:57.560
this is why people don't trust legacy press. And we really want to right now, we desperately would
00:26:02.800
love to, I mean, that's, we want that to have that relationship, but stuff like this is why we
00:26:07.900
can't, they were apoplectic over this yesterday. It was trending all day. So, or the other day,
00:26:13.400
actually. So I, you know, I look at this and I, I, I don't think it was a huge deal. I don't think
00:26:18.060
it was, I mean, he had his face mask on secret service had their face mask on. He's the president.
00:26:22.560
He's got to be protected. I just, it was, it was so over the top. Um, I, I don't know. I'm waiting
00:26:29.340
to see what else the week holds. And not only that, but the secret service to your point,
00:26:33.720
not only were they in a car with him and a helicopter with him days earlier, but do people
00:26:38.500
think the secret service, like they don't get anywhere near the president they're protecting?
00:26:42.740
It was like, it's kind of their job to stay within six feet of him and make sure nothing bad happens.
00:26:48.080
And no one knows whether they have secret service agents who already have the antibodies
00:26:51.440
or what was done to protect them. So it's all speculation. And my own feeling was watching
00:26:57.000
the hysteria, the hysteria over that car ride was that what's really driving their anger over
00:27:04.820
this is not the car ride. It's over coronavirus misinformation in general and over Trump in
00:27:11.060
general. They, they hate him. Yeah. He disrupts it. Well, he also this, if he's, if he's recovering
00:27:17.340
as quickly as it said that he is, and it would appear that he is, then it completely disrupts
00:27:22.120
the narrative that the press has been selling everyone this entire time. Because the, the way
00:27:26.640
that, the way that the story works is that the moment you contract coronavirus, then you're
00:27:31.800
pretty much a fatality. That's kind of how they present it. And, and all of this discussion,
00:27:35.720
they have never put into context the severity of the cases, nor have they put into context the
00:27:40.580
recovery rate, which is incredibly important, particularly if you're hyping the fatality rate.
00:27:44.640
And so they sold this as, oh, well you have it, it's a fatality. And it was just ghoulish the way
00:27:51.400
that they were sort of just waiting on standby to see if the president's condition was going to
00:27:55.960
deteriorate more. And then he, they tweeted out the photos of him working and he tweeted all this
00:28:01.220
other stuff out of, of, you know, him, apparently he was sending pizzas to the supporters outside,
00:28:06.880
something like every 45 minutes he was sending pizzas or something like that, which I thought
00:28:11.100
was kind of funny. Uh, but then, you know, he's driving now he's, he's back at the white house
00:28:16.900
and, uh, they give word that he's ready to assume a full work schedule. He's going to be doing the
00:28:21.320
whole social distancing and quarantining. And that really contradicts what the media has been trying
00:28:26.120
to tell the public. They've been trying to sell us on continued lockdown. We need to lock down
00:28:30.680
again. And even more, none of the kids should go to school. You should wear a mask all the time,
00:28:35.160
even in your own home. And for crying out loud, some people are saying,
00:28:37.740
even during intimate times with your partners, you should stop it for crying out loud. It's just,
00:28:44.340
it's because we, Oh man, alive. They've actually been, I've talked about this on, on radio. They,
00:28:53.860
they're at, there have been some, uh, academics, uh, in the field of science who have said, well,
00:28:59.100
perhaps it's best that we even incorporate mass usage in the home and maybe even in the bedroom.
00:29:05.720
And I just know nobody's doing that. You're not, you don't put more things on,
00:29:09.160
but that's a whole other topic. I don't like, I haven't taken this close to look at it,
00:29:12.460
but like, aren't there like, is the Corona virus immune to all bodily fluids or just,
00:29:17.640
just the, the stuff that comes out of your saliva? I don't, it's starting to get too personal,
00:29:22.480
but I'm just thinking like, if I'm going to incorporate a mask into my bedroom routine,
00:29:26.020
it's going to be like a leather one. I don't know. I'll just like make the most of it,
00:29:29.320
but I'm just thinking this is an area where I do not want Dr. Fauci. Get out.
00:29:35.500
Yeah. No, I do not want Dr. Fauci's advice, uh, in that, in that area. And I especially do not
00:29:41.540
want a national mandate on facial prophylactic. No, you, you and Chris need no help in spicing up
00:29:47.660
your bedroom routine. This, I know about the two of you. So, okay. So the, the other,
00:29:52.560
the other problem they have is that, you know, Trump, he does seem to be doing better and you've
00:29:58.020
had, you know, we talked about this a minute ago, but you've got reporters like Vanity Fair's
00:30:02.080
Gabe Sherman tweeting out nonsense over the weekend about, this is the quote, just watch Trump's
00:30:08.020
hospital video a second time. His breathing is so clearly labored. He seems to be leaning on the
00:30:13.040
table for support. And there's so much fear in his eyes. So they invest in a narrative that the guy's
00:30:20.480
on his deathbed and then when he's driving around and he's returning, it's like, it can't be, it can't
00:30:26.700
be. Yeah, no. Yeah. The, the drama of it all, he should be, he should write for Harlequin. That
00:30:33.120
should, that should be his next gig in case this one falls through. It's, it's, it is this ghoulish
00:30:38.620
desire to, to see their, I mean, honestly, their wish fulfilled. I really think that they would love
00:30:45.220
the chaos that something of that consequence would throw the nation into. And I mean, we
00:30:51.060
all watch the same video. Yeah. If he were to, if he were to heaven forbid, if this were, if it were
00:30:56.300
to suddenly deteriorate and reverse and, and he would go the other way, which doesn't seem like
00:31:01.360
that's the, the, the natural progression once you contract this virus, you, and he's, I mean,
00:31:07.080
despite the fact that he is in an older age demographic, he's still, I mean, he's what I
00:31:12.100
think a little overweight, he said himself, but he's, he's relatively healthy. He doesn't
00:31:15.660
really have any vices. He's kind of straight edge. He doesn't have any vices, except maybe
00:31:20.360
perhaps the stress of the job, but that's about it. And so even then, even with, yeah. And
00:31:25.580
with other, with some of these other variables factored into it, I mean, he still has what a
00:31:30.140
99 or 95, 99% something recovery rate. I mean, it's, it's incredibly high.
00:31:35.200
No one wants to talk about that. I think his age has like a 90, 94.7 or nine, almost 95%
00:31:41.620
recovery rate, but they do, they have been treating this as though it's a stage for pancreatic
00:31:47.020
cancer, you know, just to get the COVID diagnosis at 74 years old. And it isn't true. It's, it's
00:31:52.220
riskier. And certainly when you're overweight, like Trump is, thanks to the McDonald's, um,
00:31:56.540
you know, it's riskier, but they, the odds are overwhelmingly in his favor. And you can just
00:32:02.680
sort of sense, right. There's a hope behind too many of these Democrats that something awful
00:32:09.360
will happen. And some of them actually put it in writing, which we've talked about,
00:32:12.040
you know, that some of them actually said like Hillary Clinton's old spokesperson expressly
00:32:15.660
saying, I hope he dies. I hope he, I mean, it's just gotten to that level.
00:32:20.080
And there's a reason why they would like for that to be prolonged. And the first and foremost,
00:32:24.520
the biggest reason is that Trump and Corona virus, because of the narratives that have been published
00:32:29.500
for months now, uh, that is where he is. That's the most difficult for him in polling.
00:32:34.540
And now here, as we're coming down the homestretch towards November, they, they need to not have the
00:32:39.640
attention shift from any kind of focus on the economy and the economic gains. I think, what
00:32:44.240
does it say? It's the, it's the fastest that we've ever seen in our nation's history. We're going to
00:32:48.740
have two economic comebacks in the span of four year period. So as long as the, if the news focuses
00:32:54.900
on that issue, that does really, really well for Trump because people vote their wallet. And I think
00:32:59.580
with the exception of one individual, there's only, there's never been a president not reelected
00:33:04.120
under a good economy. So they have to have this focus on Corona virus because that is what the
00:33:10.060
media hasn't has made his weak spot. And that has been his weak spot in some battleground states
00:33:15.000
with some independence. And so that's what they need to focus on.
00:33:18.180
That's why that's one of the reasons why him getting it at this time and it becoming
00:33:22.700
spreading like wildfire throughout his closest people is bad. It's no question. It's politically
00:33:27.840
bad for Trump because it does make it look like the thing that he's weakest on has come back to
00:33:33.520
hobble him right in his home. I want to ask you about the latest polls that were just out.
00:33:38.340
And I always say, I don't, I don't have that much faith in the national polls. The swing state polls
00:33:41.880
are more interesting, but it's interesting to me that the latest, uh, wall street journal, NBC poll
00:33:46.900
has now Biden with a, with a 14 point lead 53 over 39 to Trump. And they said the biggest advantage
00:33:55.180
Biden just gained was between, was with older voters and suburban women. And Reuters, Ipsos has
00:34:01.060
a similar, well, they have Biden up now 10 points. And so the question, I know Trump always says,
00:34:05.880
I won, I won, I won the debate. But the truth is the polls suggest he did not win the debate.
00:34:10.600
And I wonder whether we now have an answer to whether his behavior at that debate did hurt him with
00:34:16.380
not his core supporters, but the folks he really needs on his side, like older voters who he won last
00:34:21.800
time, but they seem to be migrating over to Biden. Right. And I haven't looked at any of the details
00:34:28.780
for this, any of the crosstab information from it. So I don't know where they're pulling some,
00:34:32.600
where they're, what area they're pulling their voters for, what the, how wide the spread is. But
00:34:37.000
I, I am curious to see what this does in the next week as well as, as the polling reflects,
00:34:44.440
like maybe, maybe, or maybe there, maybe there isn't even one. Let me shift gears with you and ask you
00:34:48.420
about Amy Coney Barrett in the hearings now, because we're already hearing some Democrats come
00:34:53.400
out and say, we cannot do this. The remote participation that Mitch McConnell is suggesting
00:34:59.060
we can do is inadequate for a lifetime appointment. And this needs to be postponed and we can't get her
00:35:07.060
confirmed. Yeah, well, it's inadequate or not, it would work absolutely fine. And I know you and I
00:35:14.340
were talking earlier and, you know, you made the point that if, you know, if our kids are,
00:35:18.180
are being, if they're doing remote learning and this is education for, I think most of the year
00:35:23.420
now for school, uh, if, if this is good enough for them, this is completely appropriate for this,
00:35:28.380
particularly since the constitution doesn't mandate a hearing, we don't have to have a hearing at all.
00:35:33.220
That's right. They didn't use to have them at all.
00:35:35.400
No, they didn't. And Mitch McConnell, I mean, if he really wants to be sassy about it, he can say,
00:35:39.780
okay, you know what? I understand how nervous you all are. Let's go ahead and just hold the vote.
00:35:43.140
We won't even bother with the hearing. We'll just have the vote right now. That might be kind
00:35:46.940
of a gamble for him, but at the same time, I think people would like the aggressiveness of it.
00:35:51.220
But yeah, there's nothing wrong with having a remote hearing and Amy Coney Barrett is someone
00:35:55.120
out of the candidates that we, that are on the list. She's already been, uh, pretty well vetted.
00:36:00.760
Um, obviously not everyone who everyone in America knows who she is. A lot of people are hearing
00:36:05.400
her for the first time, but, um, I mean, if they're nervous about having the hearing and go
00:36:09.280
ahead and have the vote, but either way, I mean, the president serves for four years, not three,
00:36:12.980
let's get it done. Yeah. They've, they've already had 21 hearings remotely since, uh, the pandemic
00:36:18.540
began. And, and the point I was just trying to make is, is if it's good enough for my kid
00:36:22.760
to learn remotely, then it's good enough for you senators to learn remotely about Amy Coney
00:36:26.860
Barrett. Exactly. Right. Like why, why the double standard, why do you have to actually be sitting
00:36:31.340
in the same room with her in order to understand it's an obvious dodge because they don't want her.
00:36:36.240
They're getting their, they're not getting their B-roll footage. They, this is the campaign footage
00:36:40.100
they all get. They all get footage of them yelling at this woman, just like they all got them
00:36:43.660
footage of themselves yelling at Kavanaugh. And then that's what they go and raise money with.
00:36:47.300
They want the spectacle of it. They want the theater. It's all a Victorian freak show.
00:36:52.840
That's what they want. And, but at the same time, part of me really wants the hearing because
00:36:57.100
they always overplay their hand every single time. And they absolutely, I guarantee it.
00:37:02.480
They would with Amy Coney Barrett as well. That is the only attraction that, that for me,
00:37:07.240
that I have with these, with, with this whole process. I, I would like hearings just to see
00:37:13.840
Well, you may get it via remote. We'll find out. Dana, so good to hear from you. So good.
00:37:25.020
We've got Democrat Nomiki Kahn's coming up in a second. It's fair to say that she and I had a few
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00:39:20.020
personal that's happened to me that I want to talk to you about. And today it's Richie Sambora
00:39:24.900
and Jon Bon Jovi. Yes. Like most girls who grew up in the eighties, I love Jon Bon Jovi, the band.
00:39:31.520
I love Jon Bon Jovi and I also love the band Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. But it wasn't until later
00:39:37.320
in life that I actually met Richie Sambora at a charity event down south and he was helping raise
00:39:44.560
money for a bunch of kids, which is what he always does. And I loved the guy. Super sweet. Not at all
00:39:50.280
what you'd think when you meet a rock star, like sort of, I don't know, gruff or weathered, right?
00:39:56.520
He was just super warm and kind and self-deprecating. Well, it turned out about a year or two after that,
00:40:02.220
Doug and I were on vacation with our family and who was at the same hotel, but Richie Sambora.
00:40:06.640
So we spent a week with a guy in Hawaii, more than a week, basically on vacation with Richie.
00:40:13.200
We played tennis with him. You haven't lived until you've seen Richie Sambora and his tennis whites.
00:40:17.220
It's just like so incongruous. But he was so kind. He was so good with my kids.
00:40:22.700
And we just fell in love with the guy. Well, flash forward to just last night and I'm scrolling
00:40:28.580
through Twitter and I see an article by Jon Bon Jovi giving an interview. And, you know,
00:40:33.780
Richie left the band and those two had a falling out as so often happens. And that's fine.
00:40:38.180
But honestly, Jon Bon Jovi never misses an opportunity to take a hit on Richie Sambora.
00:40:43.340
Richie Sambora wrote all of that band's greatest hits. That's why he's in the Songwriters Hall of
00:40:48.160
Fame, as well as the Guitar Players Hall of Fame. He is the talent behind Bon Jovi. And that's why
00:40:54.520
Bon Jovi is not what it used to be without Richie Sambora. So fine. They parted. They should be classy
00:40:59.500
about it and say, OK, we had a lot of good years. Honestly, Jon Bon Jovi
00:41:03.560
should just be quiet when it comes to Richie Sambora, because what he said in this article,
00:41:07.180
because he's promoting a new album, was that, oh, you know, I really wish that Richie were still
00:41:11.040
part of the band. It's too bad. You know, if only he had his life together. And then he goes on and
00:41:16.700
says, you know, it's because of his inability to get it together that, you know, I went on to write
00:41:22.180
this other great song that I'm really proud of a couple of years ago. So shot after shot, Richie's a
00:41:27.780
hot mess. Richie doesn't have his life together. He can't get it together and so on. Now, I do know
00:41:32.440
Richie Sambora. Trust me when I tell you he has his life together. He's making money hand over a
00:41:38.360
fist, of course, because he gets a lot of money on the songs that he wrote and he's still writing
00:41:42.520
great music. But Richie Sambora, as you know, has a daughter, might know, with Heather Locklear.
00:41:48.600
And Heather's had a rough few years, as you've probably seen in the tabloids. And guess who's
00:41:52.820
been taking care of their daughter? Richie. And their daughter, Ava, has turned out beautifully.
00:41:58.420
She's doing really well. She's a college. She's a super together kid. Richie's a great active father,
00:42:04.260
which leaving the band helped him be at a time when their kid needed it. And on top of that,
00:42:09.600
I just want to tell you a quick story about Richie. During COVID, one of our lowest points was my son
00:42:15.760
Yates, who's now 11, lost his music teacher to COVID. It was awful. Mr. Sorrell. He was the sweetest
00:42:23.680
guy. Yates loved him. I mean, how often is it that your kid comes home and just keeps talking about one
00:42:28.060
teacher? Well, that was Mr. Sorrell for Yates. And sadly, he died from COVID. And it was awful for
00:42:35.520
the whole community. Well, Richie Sambora heard about it. And he contacted us and said, I want to
00:42:42.020
talk to Yates, who again, he had met in Hawaii briefly. He talks to Yates. He said, I too had a
00:42:47.900
music teacher who I loved. I understand the importance they can play in your life. They were on the phone
00:42:53.460
for hours. Shortly after they hang up, Richie Sambora sent a guitar to our home, an electric
00:43:03.100
guitar for my son with a huge amp, by the way, and contacted us saying, I want to teach Yates how to
00:43:10.100
play guitar. I want to help him learn music after the loss of Mr. Sorrell. And can I tell you that my
00:43:17.600
son Yates has been doing zooms once a week with Richie Sambora for months now? This guy's busy.
00:43:25.340
This guy still is pursuing a very busy and successful music career. And he takes an hour
00:43:29.300
out of his time week after week to sit with my 11 year old. So he still has someone to look up to
00:43:36.040
in the music world. So you can pound sand, Jon Bon Jovi, because Richie does have his life together.
00:43:43.560
He's a beautiful man. And he's been nothing but class. You could take a lesson. And now on a later
00:43:50.520
note, Nomiki Konst. Joining me now from the Democrat side is Nomiki Konst. Nomiki used to come on my show,
00:44:03.020
The Kelly File, all the time. And she was always a fierce loyalist to the Democrats, but a reasonable
00:44:07.800
person, a reasonable person on these issues. Nomiki, great to have you here.
00:44:11.380
Thanks for having me, Megan. And congratulations on that. Great show. Huge success.
00:44:16.020
Thank you. Thank you so much. I my own personal belief is that the reason Democrats are so angry
00:44:23.160
about that Trump car ride with the Secret Service isn't exactly about the Secret Service. It's just
00:44:28.580
it's like a metaphor for him doing what they think is reckless when it comes to coronavirus. And they just,
00:44:36.120
you know, they're they're resentful over six months of what they think is misinformation and poor
00:44:42.340
leadership, poor examples. What do you think? I think you're you're absolutely correct. I mean,
00:44:46.940
this was a symbol, as you said, it was a metaphor of of his not just his disconnect from the facts,
00:44:53.380
but his he is he's not just reckless. He's so obsessed with his own politics and that and he is
00:45:02.140
also an emblem of the entire Republican Party. I mean, just this week, Mitch McConnell with three
00:45:07.580
senators now who have tested positive for for COVID. Mitch McConnell wants to call an immediate
00:45:13.440
meeting, an urgent meeting to discuss the appointment of Amy Coney Barrett. But, you know,
00:45:19.000
I think the disconnect that Democrats are seeing with Republicans is really in empathy. It is there's
00:45:26.920
no hiding the truth at this point. I mean, the president obviously has COVID, but there's no
00:45:32.100
hiding the truth that they're more concerned with politics and winning the Senate and winning the
00:45:36.360
presidency over the lives of not just at this point, it could be millions of Americans, but their own
00:45:42.920
president. And I mean, I was out in Arizona this week, just a couple of days ago, I was in Scottsdale,
00:45:48.960
Arizona, and I saw one of these pop up rallies and Trump rallies, and it was a QAnon rally.
00:45:54.060
And I walked through and I wanted to ask everybody, you know, where do you where do you get your
00:45:58.440
information from? And immediately, without even, you know, thinking through who I could be was a
00:46:06.000
reporter, they they all ganged up on me saying, you know, we don't listen to fake news like you.
00:46:11.280
And they didn't know I had a mask on. They didn't know who I was. And they immediately said, well,
00:46:15.000
we get it from QAnon. We don't trust anybody else. And many of them thought that the president
00:46:19.580
didn't have COVID. And those who did think he had COVID thought it was part of a plan.
00:46:25.360
So this is the information from the base of the most loyal Republican Party members and Trump
00:46:31.340
loyalists. And that spreads. And so now wait, but let me challenge you on that. Yeah.
00:46:37.460
Maybe the QAnon folks out there thought that but I saw a tweet by Joy Reid over the weekend saying,
00:46:42.580
I've got a cell phone full of texts from people who aren't sure whether to believe Trump actually has
00:46:47.220
COVID. He lies so much. Our one friend texted and our one friend texted, she said, is he just doing
00:46:53.360
this to get out of the debates? Others are texting. Now that's put out by a primetime news anchor at
00:46:58.120
MSNBC. I mean, come on. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think Joy Reid has an interesting history of the
00:47:03.800
facts, but that's a whole other conversation for another time. I mean, I, you know, and this is one
00:47:11.160
of the issues that I think we have in cable news is there are a lot of folks on there who may not
00:47:15.700
necessarily understand the complexity of politics. And that's why I love when I see different sides
00:47:20.820
come together and you see Republicans and Democrats actually think through the issues on cable news.
00:47:25.420
First off, Trump doesn't want to look weak. So why would he make up the fact that he has COVID? I
00:47:29.700
mean, that is, he has a fear of that. And he also doesn't want to acknowledge his failure of handling
00:47:35.480
COVID. And even beyond the, I mean, the fact that QAnon is so desperate to say that he doesn't have,
00:47:40.220
it shows that he actually has it because they're trying to cover up everything that he does. They
00:47:47.040
try to pretend to the loyal base that doesn't consume any other news. Um, they're trying to
00:47:52.460
pretend that, you know, any weakness is not there. I think your point is right though. He doesn't,
00:47:58.140
he always wants to project strength. There's no way Trump would invent COVID when he didn't have it,
00:48:03.080
especially because this is the last thing he wants in the news all the time. COVID, COVID,
00:48:07.300
COVID, COVID, you know, he wants to talk about the economy. He wants to talk about Amy Coney Barrett.
00:48:11.300
Uh, he wants to talk about what he says was a win in the debate, though the polls suggest something
00:48:15.500
else, but he doesn't want to talk about coronavirus at all. And this, this undercuts everything Trump
00:48:21.940
wants to do. So there's zero chance he invented this. However, uh, I do think there was a reason to
00:48:27.200
be upset over the crazy doctor, uh, Dr. Conley over the weekend, who was like, it started 72 hours. Oh no,
00:48:34.240
it was 48 hours. And we, he had his first medication 48 hours. Oh no, it was 24 hours.
00:48:38.140
Oh, and everything's super rosy. Oh no, I just lied. Cause that's what my patient wanted me to do.
00:48:42.120
Who am I? Osteopath. That's what he is. Sir, take a seat, sir. Is there a nurse somewhere who can help
00:48:49.540
us? Exactly. I don't want to hear from Dr. Conley ever again. No, no. I mean, that was an embarrassment.
00:48:56.220
And, and I, I wish, you know, at this point, I don't even know what to say, how you hold the
00:49:02.460
presidency, you know, the white house accountable for something like that. But, um, I think this
00:49:07.580
point also, most of the news media can see through it. You know, the last thing that I think is really
00:49:12.180
important to keep in mind here is most people are voting right now. I mean, really like not most
00:49:16.280
people, but a good chunk of America is voting right now in Arizona, where I just was, uh, you know,
00:49:20.920
at that rally, 80% of Arizonans vote early. That is before COVID. That is before 2020. That is
00:49:28.460
something, you know, Republican, a governor leads the state of Arizona. This is not a, this is not
00:49:34.080
a left-wing issue. So you have folks going to the polls right now. And so if he wants to make the case
00:49:41.180
to the American people or to the 3% of undecideds, wherever they may be, he needs to be on the trail.
00:49:46.560
He needs to be on camera regularly. And you know, you know, Donald Trump, he doesn't want to be off
00:49:52.000
the camera. He wants to be in control of the narrative at all times. Well, his family's going
00:49:56.140
to be out there. His surrogates will be out there, but there's only one Trump. And exactly. I mean,
00:49:59.940
I see your point, but I do think it's tough. I mean, it's tough. It's easy for President Trump
00:50:04.280
to gin up enthusiasm among his loyal supporters and make sure they get out to the polls. The bigger
00:50:09.680
challenge has been to gin up more support amongst those who have left him or on the fence about him.
00:50:15.820
And that's, that's the work he has to do between now and November 3rd. But I mean, you know him,
00:50:20.840
he's going to be, as soon as he is physically able, he's going to be back out there. I want to ask you
00:50:25.040
this. So I don't, I don't know. I know people are saying they're, they're very angry at him. And
00:50:30.400
some are suggesting that the fact that half the white house now seems to have been infected. It's
00:50:35.060
like Hope Hicks, Trump, Melania, the assistant to the president, Kellyanne Conway, Chris Christie,
00:50:38.800
Mike Lee, Senator Tom Tillis, Ronald McDonald, John Jenkins from Notre Dame, who was at the Amy Coney Barrett,
00:50:43.360
Bill Steppi and his campaign manager, Senator John, Ron Johnson, I could go on. Right. So it's
00:50:47.320
like, this certainly seems to have spread awfully fast. You know, in part, we assume due to
00:50:52.580
precautionary measures not having been taken. But does that actually affect the vote? Because I do
00:50:58.300
think in general, Republicans are of the view that one takes responsibility for one's personal choices.
00:51:04.360
You know, no one forced Chris Christie to go into the debate prep room without a mask on for a week.
00:51:08.080
And, you know, people make different choices depending on their risk level and the situation
00:51:13.140
they're in. And I just don't know if the American public is going to be like, Trump bad because of
00:51:20.380
the COVID outbreak there. Again, I think it's, you know, 2016 was decided by two things. Very low
00:51:30.760
turnout among certain demographics in, you know, really working people making under $50,000 who
00:51:37.380
traditionally vote for Democrats. They didn't turn out the rates that they expected in 2016.
00:51:41.960
But also it came down to, you know, 50,000 votes in three states. So if the 3% comes down to whether
00:51:48.920
it's the Rust Belt or the Sun Belt, depending on the strategy, you know, it's how that 3%
00:51:55.340
sees this crisis as an emblem for all crises. I think in previous years, maybe in the last 10 to 15
00:52:02.180
years, Democrats have relied heavily on the presidential ticket. It seems like it's actually
00:52:06.040
coming from the grassroots this time around. Folks, if they don't feel like Biden's organizing
00:52:10.500
enough, or maybe they do, they still are organizing through their own independent groups for local
00:52:16.700
candidates, statewide candidates. And so, you know, they just, the enthusiasm, it needs to be at levels
00:52:23.520
that we haven't seen probably since 2008 to be able to make up for anybody who may not be able to,
00:52:30.540
I mean, he tried. Biden has tried to move Republicans over. Maybe he did. Maybe he moved a few of them.
00:52:35.120
But the counter to any voter suppression, or folks not, you know, thinking that the virus is
00:52:41.400
indicative of Trump's failures is really for Democrats to turn out at record rates.
00:52:45.880
I think it's like, my own personal view is that Biden didn't move anybody anywhere. Trump moved
00:52:49.900
everybody everywhere. If you're in Trump's camp, Trump got you there. If you're out of Trump's camp,
00:52:54.960
Trump got you there. You know, it's like Biden has just been sort of sitting down behind his big
00:52:59.380
mask saying like, go for it, sir. I'm just gonna watch, watch and learn. Okay, question to you
00:53:06.600
about some of the hypocrisy. And I understand, you know, that the ride in the Secret Service card,
00:53:12.160
why it was controversial. But I was pointing out earlier that part of the problem is, it's hard to
00:53:18.860
get people really upset about this when we had the Black Lives Matter protests all summer, and people
00:53:23.020
were like, Oh, the virus understands not to attack people who are protesting over, you know,
00:53:26.980
perceived racial inequality. People are like, what? How smart is this thing? And the Ruth Bader
00:53:33.640
Ginsburg memorials, like impromptu gatherings on the Supreme Court, where everybody was on top of
00:53:37.920
each other, not to mention the March on Washington, where people were jammed in like sardines, like
00:53:42.360
sardines. And so, you know, I think a lot of people are looking at this, like, can you can you spare
00:53:47.240
us? Can you not lecture us on Trump's, you know, two minute ride outside of Walter Reed in his
00:53:52.260
sealed car with Secret Service agents who may or may not have had any antibodies or taken the risk
00:53:56.860
unwillingly? We don't know. But you know what I mean? It's like, it's tough to take the protestations
00:54:01.800
and the expressions of shock seriously. Well, you know, a couple of things. We don't really know
00:54:08.920
what happened with all these other scenarios, because most likely the folks aren't as, except for
00:54:14.680
speakers, as well known. What was interesting about the Black Lives Matter protests over the
00:54:19.120
summer and the uprising was, you know, a good chunk of folks were wearing masks. I'm not gonna say
00:54:23.260
everybody. Clearly, they were all over the country. And it was outside. And there is a lot of evidence
00:54:29.120
to say that being outside with airflow makes a huge difference. So just putting that aside. But
00:54:34.740
I think what's really going on when when Trump gets in, takes a ride around Walter Reed, when
00:54:41.740
reports are saying he is being, you know, doctors are working in multiple ways trying to treat him
00:54:47.120
from every single direction. I think it just shows how desperate he is to prove that he is strong
00:54:53.440
at a moment. And that shows how desperate he is and how worried he is about these polls.
00:54:59.560
Well, why does it show that he's just trying to reassure his supporters he was sending the pizza
00:55:03.220
out to and give people an uplifting moment? I mean, I saw on Twitter over Saturday, people who I really
00:55:07.700
like on Twitter who are, you know, in the middle saying, maybe sure it'd be nice if you just tweet
00:55:12.660
something like just a little worried about him. And then he did put out a couple of videos. But I
00:55:17.520
think why can't it just be an attempt to reassure people he is okay. Don't believe people's suppositions
00:55:23.940
that he's, you know, on death's door. And, you know, I'm good. I'm here. I'm getting treated,
00:55:29.180
but I'm good. Okay, I want to ask you about you mentioned the QAnon thing. And you went out to the
00:55:32.840
rally. This is in Arizona. So we have a clip of you interviewing the folks out there. And I wanted to
00:55:38.660
follow up with you on this. So let's listen. What about Trump being at Walter Reed? Incapacitated.
00:55:46.940
He's admitted as a, his doctor did a press conference. No, I just saw, he just did a
00:55:56.300
press conference. He's been laying. His doctor just went on air about an hour ago and said he's
00:56:00.240
laying down right now. I'm not debating. You challenged the word incapacitated and said he's
00:56:08.320
not, but vice president is taking over duties because he is incapacitated.
00:56:16.720
What are you doing there? Why, why are you spreading misinformation like that?
00:56:20.460
Well, granted that was, to be fair, that was two days ago, two days ago. And so the news that
00:56:26.660
morning, right before the press conference was saying that the vice president was likely to take
00:56:31.000
over duties because he was incapacitated and bad. Now, no, it wasn't. There were no confirmed news
00:56:35.760
reports that said that. So he, so, so the problem that she was having was that she came to me and
00:56:41.760
now there's a much larger video. There's 10 and a half minutes of this, um, in which she said, you
00:56:45.620
know, he's laying down, he's fine. He gave a rally yesterday. So there was more to this conversation
00:56:50.900
and that she, she came in and she's like, by the way, only person of color comes to me has a script.
00:56:56.240
So there's, they're organizing going to media because they want to, you know, portray themselves as
00:57:00.300
by a diverse group of Trump supporters. But, you know, she was very scripted and she said, he gave
00:57:05.480
a rally yesterday. And I said, well, no, he didn't. He did not give a rally yesterday. He's
00:57:09.020
incapacitated. Now, granted, this was minutes after the press conference in which he was being
00:57:15.280
admitted. The doctor said he was admitted as a patient. They did not believe he was admitted as
00:57:19.360
a patient. You know very well he wasn't incapacitated. I mean, because I'm just giving you jazz because
00:57:22.920
you, you said that these are, you know, the sort of the tin hat folks who don't understand
00:57:27.020
information and don't have their facts. But what you said is not true. And, and you were misleading
00:57:31.460
in that exchange. Well, there's, okay. So I hear what you're saying here and there's the legal
00:57:36.360
definition of incapacity that we all know now, two days later, after there's been a public
00:57:39.920
conversation about whether or not vice president Pence is taking over. But two days prior when this
00:57:45.440
conversation, when they just asked the doctor, is he, how is he doing? He's laying down. He is resting.
00:57:52.400
He's, is he a patient? Yes, he's a patient. Will the vice president take over?
00:57:56.240
That does not mean incapacity. Then I am incapacitated every night from 10 PM to
00:57:59.640
six AM. Well, that's what she said. That's what she said. The difference is you're not in
00:58:03.660
Walter Reed hospital and they're not having conversations about vice president taking
00:58:06.840
over two days. I know. That was the conversation at that moment. No one was having a serious
00:58:10.000
conversation about vice president Pence taking over. Nobody. Only the president's detractors were
00:58:13.780
saying that. No, it was all over the media. They, in the press conference, they asked these
00:58:18.420
questions. The New York Times shouting a question at the, at Mark Meadows doesn't mean people are
00:58:24.580
talking about. I mean, that's like a reporter looking for a headline that you were suggesting.
00:58:28.200
It's like the white house may be transferring power under the 25th amendment. Like, right. So
00:58:32.820
anyway, I got to give you a hard time about that because I feel like, you know, the folks are out
00:58:36.500
there, they're supporting him. Some people genuinely are scared and love him. Uh, so I would say that
00:58:42.080
wasn't your best move. No, but this is also this, this is an example of why it's important to have
00:58:48.200
consistent information coming from the white house because it is changing by the minute that,
00:58:52.940
you know, that morning CNN everywhere during the press conference, the conversation was very much
00:58:57.380
around is vice president going to take power, not control power, at least take over the duties of
00:59:02.480
the day while he's in the hospital. Like they did with George W. Bush when George W. Bush had a,
00:59:06.880
a minor medical procedure and he had to go under with anesthesia. So, I mean, this, this isn't like
00:59:11.620
the transfer of power and what happens, uh, you know, for months before the election,
00:59:16.240
before inauguration, it's, it's really just about what happens when a doctor says he's a patient at
00:59:20.360
a hospital and he's a president. I'm still banging the gong on this one, getting the hook and banging
00:59:25.580
the gong. Uh, but listen, I, I love talking to you and I appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much,
00:59:30.560
Megan. The vice presidential debate is on Wednesday night. We will have full coverage of that for you
00:59:39.500
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00:59:43.700
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