Predators Exposed at Nickelodeon, and Democrats Abandoning the Working Class, with Alexa Nikolas and Batya Ungar-Sargon ｜ Ep. 751
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Summary
On today's show, Megyn Kelly talks about the new documentary Quiet On Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV, a series that dives into the dark underbelly of Nickelodeon, the premier children's television network that rose to prominence in the 90s and 2000s. Later, Bhatia Anghar Sargan is here to talk about her new book, Class in America.
Transcript
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we have two big interviews for you.
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Later, Bhatia Anghar Sargon is here to talk about her new book about class in America.
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This is on the heels of these other guys, former New York Times guy writing a book about white rage.
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In the rural America and among the working class, Bhatia has some different research for you about how the electorate is shaking out
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and what the real concerns are from people going into 2024 and the election.
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But we begin today with an interview focused on a documentary series that has taken our culture by storm.
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I watched it in full yesterday and I am still reeling from what I saw.
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It's called Quiet on Set, The Dark Side of Kids TV.
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It dives into the dark underbelly of Nickelodeon.
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Yes, Nickelodeon, the premier children's television network that rose to prominence in the 90s and 2000s.
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The documentary showcases a hostile work environment, sexualized jokes and sketches in shows featuring very young children
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where they were obviously exploited and made to engage in sexualized behavior that adults would fully get,
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but the children only knew they felt uncomfortable.
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All of which was created by then show creator and network golden boy, Dan Schneider.
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He's the man of Nickelodeon, or at least was for all these years.
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The documentary reveals for the first time in a stunning reveal the identity of a child star whose name you may know,
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who was alleged to be sexually abused at the hands of Nickelodeon dialogue coach Brian Peck.
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Brian Peck wound up pleading guilty to two of the charges and served time.
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And we'll get to who that was and what he said.
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Before we get to our guest, here's just a bit of the trailer.
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This is when Dan Schneider arrives, Nickelodeon's golden boy.
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For 20 years, he shaped children's entertainment.
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Working for Dan was like being in an abusive relationship.
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There would be even bigger problems down the line.
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These are three predators who worked at Nickelodeon all in a short amount of time.
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They find this enormous trove of child pornography.
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11 charges of child sexual abuse related to a child actor.
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It wasn't dealing with anybody on the shows or anything, right?
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And now I'm joined by one of the former Nickelodeon child stars from Zoey 101, who was featured
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She's the creator of the movement Eat Predators now and host of the Eat Predators Daily show.
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Alexa has been very vocal about her experience at Nickelodeon for years and how she says the
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network failed to protect her and other children as well.
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We want to warn you up top that some of what you may hear today may be disturbing as it concerns
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language of sexual assault and abuse of minors.
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Oh, well, I appreciate you telling your story and speaking out in this docuseries and more
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And so this cannot be easy for you to acknowledge what happened to you, what's happened to these
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other children, what looked like such a lovely, wonderful experience at a place like Nickelodeon,
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which now we know behind the scenes was very, very different for far too many kids and with
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When I started to watch the docuseries, I thought it was all about this guy, Dan Schneider, who
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was like, I kind of saw him as almost the Roger Ailes of Nickelodeon in that he wasn't like
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the top executive, but he was the chief show creator.
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The guy was like a goldmine when it came to ideas and what would work on television.
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But it wasn't as episode and episode goes by, you learn that guy and that guy and this
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It I can't believe Nickelodeon is still in business in the wake of this scandal.
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Well, first of all, I was going to say, yeah, me too.
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I cannot believe it is still in business, to be quite honest with you.
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I mean, watching the documentary was also shocking for me as well, because I sat down for an
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interview, you know, very early on, and I wasn't sure who else was going to sit down.
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And I think for a lot of survivors in general, you always think you're the only one.
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And that could also be a reason why survivors don't come forward is because you think you're
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And so when I sat down in that seat, I wasn't sure who else was going to follow.
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And so when I watched the documentary, not only was it extremely sad to to witness all
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of these kids being affected, but also it was very validating in a very scary way, obviously.
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You know, the kids on set talk about it because you got cast in Zoe 101, as I understand, when
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you were 12, that is very young and you were definitely exposed to inappropriate content
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and, you know, it was happening all around you, Jamie Lynn Spears.
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And we'll get to some of what they had her do that you witnessed at the time.
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Do you remember feeling that's uncomfortable or that's inappropriate?
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Or did you just have the feeling, you know, for me, my the most vivid memory that I have
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of being extremely uncomfortable was when it came to the skirts that I had to wear on
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And they were so short that I remember the wardrobe, you know, department telling me I
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And when I tried on the biker shorts, the biker shorts were too long and you could see the
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And I remember her saying, we're going to have to cut these biker shorts.
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And when she cut the biker shorts, you know, once you get rid of the seam, it would start
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And so every single day I was constantly pulling down these biker shorts.
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And she was like, well, it's to make sure that, you know, your butt doesn't show.
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And, you know, then you feel like, oh, they're looking out for me.
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And now when I look back at that, I'm like, why was I wearing a skirt where, you know, my
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And the fact that the biker shorts alone were still too long for the skirt.
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You know, that was one of my first very vivid memories of just being uncomfortable, even
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physically uncomfortable, because I was constantly having to pull them down.
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And then my other vivid memory was just Dan Schneider's behavior on set.
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I mean, he really did create a toxic work environment.
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And he made me feel always deeply uncomfortable.
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I never knew what version of him I was going to get that day.
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And usually when you think about toxic work environments, you think about adults having
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And this is a time when your brain is still, you know, forming.
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And it became, you know, essentially childhood trauma.
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Well, that explains a lot, right, because we've seen what's happened to not just the stars of
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Nickelodeon, many of them, but child stars in general don't have a great track record of
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growing up to be perfectly healthy onscreen actors.
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You know, poor Amanda Bynes is probably the best example.
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I actually didn't even realize that, to be honest with you.
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I I just knew her when she hit the big screen as this incredibly talented actress.
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And today, I mean, that poor girl has had so many mental health problems.
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And those clips of her are heartbreaking because it all really started when Dan Schneider found
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her and she got cast with her own show on Nickelodeon.
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But the environment was not conducive toward wellness.
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Let me show the audience a little bit of you in the documentary talking about some of
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And this will also show them some throwback clips to you back during the Zoey 101 years.
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Ooh, cute boy to the left, green shirt, backpack.
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When I look back at it, my character was there for the boys.
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Nicole was the archetype of male gaze, female, where she was girly, very short, short skirts
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We don't need to be hyper conservative of bodies, but that didn't represent even me as
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I mean, it's amazing how many, like from Amanda to Ariana Grande did not realize she was a Nickelodeon
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Several well-known names went through the same machine where the exploitation, the sexual references
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to these young versions of these girls were ubiquitous.
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I mean, from my personal experience, that was a Dan Schneider thing.
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You know, I even have memories of Dan Schneider, you know, at wardrobe fittings where he would
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ask to have the Polaroids of, you know, they would take Polaroids basically of your outfits.
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And, you know, that's actually kind of normal when it comes to a creator or executive producer
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kind of figuring out the color palette for the episode.
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But thinking about Dan Schneider being in there and asking for kid Polaroids to have and taking them
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And I just, you know, as I got older, I realized that that wasn't necessarily normal.
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Like you don't usually see the handover directly, but I would see the handover directly quite often.
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And so for me personally, it was Dan Schneider.
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But I know that this was happening on other kids sets as well.
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He was the one who created that Amanda show, the Ariana Grande show.
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No, she was actually in Victorious, which was the spinoff, not like a spinoff, but Victoria
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And then Dan Schneider gave her her own show called Victorious.
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He got bounced out, the highlight, during the Me Too movement.
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But he was there for, I mean, from the beginning of, you know, the 2000s, running herd over all
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And here is from the documentary, a clip showing some of the inappropriate behavior
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he had the kids engage in, including Ariana Grande in SOT 2.
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People were looking back at old scenes and saying, Dan Schneider is obsessed with feet.
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It's all very gross and possible to escape children's feet.
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There's one video of Ariana Grande making a joke about a potato.
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Sometimes I wonder if you can get juice from a potato.
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In another video, Ariana's pouring water on herself in what seems like a very sexual manner.
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And people started saying, this feels inappropriate for children.
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It's like disgust and concern as you watch this young girl really being exploited.
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I'm sure a lot of people are wondering and going to wonder throughout our discussion.
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You know, because I think most of us would like to believe.
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You know, when it came to Nickelodeon specifically, a lot of the parents weren't even allowed on set.
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So they would be, you know, beside Video Village, which is, you know, the tent where, you know, the executive producers are in and the creator and, you know, they're watching while we're filming.
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And so sometimes parents weren't even really necessarily aware of what was happening.
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So I think it's really important to note that because you think, oh, the parents right there beside, for example, Ariana Grande.
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I would say more so, there was no parents, honestly, on set.
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And they were told to step out because there wasn't enough room to have everybody in there, like the crew included.
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And so parents were around, but they weren't around in the way that we think they were around because Nickelodeon would actually not have them present.
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And some of the parents are interviewed in this series.
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And I give them credit for just being really honest about the fact that their kids were living their dream.
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You know, a million kids would kill to have these roles.
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And the parents didn't want to do anything to screw up their kid's dream.
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Because if they crossed this guy, Dan Schneider, they knew very well that their kid would get fired and would never be asked back for another Nickelodeon show.
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And these aren't parents who saw abuse happening, but just uncomfortable moments that, you know, it's easy for us now to be like, oh, I would have stormed in there.
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But realistically, in the moment, I can see how it was a difficult thing to handle.
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Yeah, I mean, the power dynamic, even for an adult, you know, after the Me Too movement, we've learned a lot about power dynamics and how they have an impact on consent.
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And so when you think about the adults, a lot of these adults, for example, and parents, some of them like would quit their jobs, right?
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Because not that their child's career was a full-time job, but even the auditioning process itself.
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I mean, I have so many memories, my whole childhood, driving, you know, five hours, six hours, you know, a day to and from auditions.
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And a parent could not have a full-time job while taking their children to all of these auditions.
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So by the time they land a role, the child ends up being essentially the breadwinner, the person who is putting food on the table.
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And so for the kid, obviously, that's extremely stressful, even if they're not fully consciously aware of that.
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And then for the parent, they're aware that if the kid loses the job, you know, that there might not be any electricity that's, you know, staying on in the house or food on the table.
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And so I think the financial pressure of it all adds to the parent's position when it comes to speaking up for their child, sadly.
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My dear friend, Melissa Francis, was a star back in the day on Little House on the Prairie, across from Jason Bateman.
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She played one of the new Ingalls kids brought in when the original ones kind of aged up.
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And she's got a lot of these same stories in her memoir, which is called Diary of a Stage Mother's Daughter.
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And she had enormous earning pressure put on her during those years.
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She was obviously the primary wage earner and felt a lot of the same, but no allegations of abuse like these.
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Before we get into the details and some of the most disturbing stuff that was alleged among some of these other actors outside of Dan Snyder,
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I want to spend another minute on him because I don't want to be too dismissive of the alleged hostile work environment that he created,
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not just with the children, but with adult females.
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The first episode spent some time with two female writers who, I have to say, seem like very cool people.
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Like they're, as writers on any comedy show might be, they're self-deprecating, they're funny,
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they clearly don't take themselves too seriously, but they're like, oh my God, this stuff happened.
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And as a third party watching, I'm like, yeah, that's gross.
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Here is the story of writer Christy Stratton in part.
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We were in the writer's room and Christy was talking about high school,
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which is relevant because we're writing for a young girl.
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And Dan was just said, you know, it'd be funny if you leaned over the table
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and acted like you were being sodomized and told that story about high school.
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And then he was kind of like, oh, come on, come on.
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And everyone's kind of laughing too, because he's making it like this big joke.
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So she just leaned over the table and did what he asked her to do.
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Do you remember Dan asking you to act out being sodomized?
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I just think of that poor girl and what she had to, you know, go through.
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And that was Christy in a second soundbite tearing up.
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And it's a humiliate, a public humiliation that he was willing to do, according to the
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docuseries, to two female employees for him who talk about power dynamic.
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But think of the power he had over the children.
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Think about what kind of a person we're dealing with here.
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Yeah, I mean, essentially a predator in in my in my opinion, because the way that he
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was not only behaving towards the children, but the adults breaks my heart because I am
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And, you know, sodomy was was part of that of my sadly my life.
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And so to see somebody make a female do that in a work environment is so beyond disgusting.
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And the fact that it did end up, I mean, from my knowledge, it did end up becoming part of a lawsuit.
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And so Nickelodeon was aware that he was like that.
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And I just can't imagine allowing someone like that to continue working for a kids network.
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You know, this wasn't like this, like, this is not the first time Nickelodeon has heard
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Her story was told to Nickelodeon a long time ago, and they continue to enable him.
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And I mean, essentially, I feel like Nickelodeon is complicit when it comes to all of this.
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Because they knew and, you know, they just they let him continue.
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And that's why, you know, when I heard that story, a lot of the memories also just came
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back for me personally, having to watch, you know, Dan Schneider get massages constantly
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And, you know, just to think that that was the culture that Nickelodeon was allowing for
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me as well as a as a young girl to hyper normalize female employees massaging their bosses as if
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it's no big deal, you know, that can groom essentially children into thinking that that's
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There's no allegation in the docuseries that this guy, Dan Schneider, is a pedophile, to be
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clear, just that he allegedly created a hostile work environment.
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As I point out, he eventually got turfed out during the Me Too movement and ultimately siloed
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But but this is how predators start with the vulnerable would be victims.
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They start taking down their defenses bit by bit.
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And with children and we'll get to this, it's done by introducing inappropriate topics at
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an inappropriate age or inappropriate setting, crossing boundaries that shouldn't be crossed
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You know, talking about sex in a way that is totally inappropriate, you know, not
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not not like a normal way that you might find in seventh grade health class, but like
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in a work setting, bringing it up and trying to get the kid used to it.
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And then before you know it, it takes the next step.
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And that I guess we should get to it is the pattern I think we've seen with probably the
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Somebody and the viewers may not know him, but his name is Brian Peck, and he worked as
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like a dialect coach or a script coach with the kids on lots of shows at Nickelodeon.
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We knew that he had ultimately pleaded guilty to two counts of endangering a child.
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Let me let me see exactly what they were so I don't misstate it.
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I'll find the specifics, but he pleaded guilty.
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And but we didn't know who the John Doe was because it was a minor.
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And in the docuseries, uh, Drake Bell, who was a very large child star, very big star
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at the time, um, when it had the band had his own show was the victim.
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It was last night, I'll tell you, I was, I was in my bed, Alexa, kind of like falling
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asleep and I needed to go to bed, but I really wanted to see the fourth episode.
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And I was like in the like twilight where you're still, you're still hearing it.
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And I mean, my eyes popped open, like, oh my God, no.
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So anyway, here is Drake sharing in part what happened to him at the hands of this man,
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I was sleeping on the couch where I would usually sleep.
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I woke up and he was, uh, he was sexually assaulting me.
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And I froze and was in complete shock and had no idea what to do, no idea how to get out
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of the situation, I had no car, I didn't drive.
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You know, that I, I don't know what got into me.
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And, and, and, and I, I crossed the line and I, this will never happen again.
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Why don't you think of the worst stuff that someone can do to somebody as a sexual assault?
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He was charged Brian Peck on August 19th, 2003, 43 years old, uh, for committing lewd acts
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Again, trigger warning here, honestly, a legit one on what the charges were alleging that
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he had molested Drake or at that time, John Doe over a six month period charged with 11
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counts against a child, including lewd act upon a child, sodomy of a person under 16,
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attempted sodomy of a person under 16, sexual penetration by a foreign object, four counts
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of oral copulation of a person under 16, or a copulation by anesthesia or control substance,
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sending harmful matter and using a minor for sex acts.
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He ultimately in a deal because they always try to spare the child, the necessity of taking
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a stand and testifying, pleaded no contest to two charges of child sexual abuse and served
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just 16 months in jail, was ordered to register as a sex offender.
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And the epilogue to Brian's story is equally horrifying, but for different reasons.
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When you found out that Brian Peck back then, before you knew it was Drake, had been arrested
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and charged with all of these acts, what did you think?
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You know, I, Brian Peck wasn't around, obviously, on the set of Zoey 101 because Zoey 101 happened,
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And so I didn't even know about Brian Peck, which is honestly very scary to think about,
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that Nickelodeon knew that they had, you know, a predator on set and that they weren't giving
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any type of education to the children when it came to being aware of, you know, the possibility
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of someone being on set and being a predator and what to do and how to make a complaint,
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It's really weird to know this now and know that Nickelodeon knew that that happened and
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that, you know, the next generation, Zoey 101, none of the kids were taught anything when
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We never even thought in a million years that, you know, a predator could be on the set.
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You know, I think we knew at least a little bit that there was a such thing as background
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And so we thought we were protected every single day.
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So that was really shocking for me because Nickelodeon wasn't doing the proper measures
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And, you know, when you fast forward to my story about Ian, who was the talent coordinator
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bringing me into a trailer without my mom's knowledge, you know, it was Britney Spears
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It was still traumatic, but thank God it wasn't someone like Brian Peck.
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And when you think about them knowing, you know, that this has happened before and not
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doing anything to prevent it in the future is really it really freaked me out, to be honest.
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And this guy, Brian Peck, there's a chilling scene in the docuseries where they show Drake
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Bell's dad, who you just wind up feeling so sad for.
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And then this guy, Brian Peck, allegedly inserted himself between the two, got in Drake's ear about
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You know, you really shouldn't let the dad manage you.
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Got Drake back in the custody of his mom temporarily, who was a parent, this is my opinion, much
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And that before you knew it, the dad had told the mom, the one person you should not let
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him spend any alone time with is this guy, Brian Peck.
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And Brian Peck basically takes over in Drake's life.
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Drake starts sleeping over there because he lived in Orange County and the work was in a
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So this guy, Brian Peck, did all the things he slowly but surely inserted himself between
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the child parent relationship and took advantage of a child of divorce.
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And he he was on camera, says Drake's dad, Joe, in a situation with Leonardo DiCaprio.
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But two of the people who wrote letters we now know, thanks to the docuseries and Business
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Insider, who wrote letters on behalf of Brian Peck when he stood up in court and said, OK,
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guilty on two counts, were Alan Thicke and Joanna Kearns, the parents on Growing Pains.
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Leonardo DiCaprio as a young kid was on that series for a time.
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And there's a video of a young DiCaprio with this guy, Brian Peck.
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I saw this video of Brian Peck on Growing Pains with Leonardo DiCaprio, grabbing his shoulder,
00:30:21.100
That's the kind of behavior I saw him with my son.
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You know, what it brings up for me is that when Drake's dad says that that was the type
00:30:41.280
of behavior that Brian Peck was behaving like on the set of Nickelodeon, that means so many
00:30:50.620
And, you know, a normal person, anyone would go, what is going on here?
00:30:56.800
You know, there's a clip also where Brian Peck then starts to talk about Leonardo DiCaprio
00:31:01.260
being a teen hunk and and like displaying his body.
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And that's what terrifies me is that so many people were witnessing this type of behavior.
00:31:12.460
And from my knowledge, I'm kind of pretty sure that, you know, Drake's dad was going to
00:31:19.340
Brian Robbins and Brian Robbins is now the president of Nickelodeon and Paramount.
00:31:25.760
And so when I hear Drake, Drake's dad, you know, say that he was looking out for his son and
00:31:31.440
most likely it was Brian Robbins who he went to out of concern, you know, and you think
00:31:37.560
about his dad getting shunned, but then Brian Robbins becoming the president of Nickelodeon
00:31:45.800
And meanwhile, they had restored Dan Snyder, the guy we started on, to a position of power.
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In fact, he went on to have even more power there.
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And this guy, Brian Peck, after serving his time, he's back out there.
00:32:10.340
Like, these guys go on to have second acts in a way that is totally inappropriate and
00:32:19.160
Yes, it is, because essentially it's financially rewarding abuse.
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So when you constantly are financially rewarding abusers, they will not stop.
00:32:29.620
They will not stop because they know that even when they do the most horrific acts, that
00:32:35.980
they're going to be financially rewarded and that they're going to be protected.
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Which is why, you know, one of my main slogans for eat predators is protect survivors, not
00:32:45.620
predators, because in the entertainment industry, it's been quite the opposite, where the industry
00:32:50.900
has been protecting the predators and not protecting the survivors.
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OK, so just as to as to underscore the point, Brian Peck was released from prison in 2005.
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To work on The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, starring Dylan and Cole Sprouse, where he did
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voiceover work for three episodes, but had no interaction with the cast or crew on set
00:33:23.240
The outlet reports that he was immediately terminated after Disney learned of his conviction and
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He continued to appear on a variety of projects, including 2008's Bedtime Stories, 2015's Freaks
00:33:37.300
of Nature and the 2012 series Anger Management.
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His last role was in 2018 for a miniseries titled Animal Showdown.
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This is unbelievable that he would have any sort of access to the industry, never mind to children's
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programming after serving time for child molestation.
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Yeah, I mean, one thing to note, though, is one of the individuals who wrote a letter in defense
00:34:09.820
And so when Disney says that they didn't know, well, Rich Carell knew.
00:34:15.240
And he wrote in his letter that it would be a pleasure to work with Brian Peck again.
00:34:20.300
And so when I see the fact that Brian Peck ended up on Suite Life of Zack and Cody, and that
00:34:25.680
Rich Carell worked on that show consistently, and that Rich Carell said in his own letter
00:34:30.820
defending Brian Peck that it would be a pleasure to work with him again, that's how something
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like this happens, by the way, that's how it happens.
00:34:39.000
And Rich is not held accountable, you know, for enabling that type of behavior.
00:34:43.960
But, you know, that's what really scares me is that we know that he's complicit.
00:34:53.160
I mentioned you mentioned Carell and I mentioned Joanna Kearns and Alan Thicke.
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I assure you what Brian has been through the last year is the suffering of 100 men.
00:35:10.500
We care about what Drake Bell has been through.
00:35:12.600
Brian was the perpetrator pleading guilty to child molestation.
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I've seen the effects the situation has had on Brian, and I know that he regrets any mistakes
00:35:28.320
Again, Business Insider got, they petitioned the court to unseal the letters, 41 of them that
00:35:35.120
Joanna, I only can believe that there must have been some kind of extreme situation or
00:35:42.040
temptation exerted upon him to influence his actions.
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And just to add to that, Kimmy Robertson, an actor, wrote,
00:35:52.200
I believe with all my heart that Brian was pressured and pushed beyond belief before he
00:36:02.140
This guy was in his 40s, 47, something like at the time of the abuse, I think 47 years old.
00:36:08.820
There is no situation in which a 15 year old boy pressures a 47 year old man to do anything.
00:36:14.800
No, no, there's no such thing as a consent with the child.
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And that's why now they're trying to step it back.
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And, you know, everyone's like, if I knew all of the details at the time, you knew enough
00:36:32.900
Currently, it's all these individuals stepping back, you know, and saying they didn't know
00:36:38.620
When you read these letters, it's pretty clear that they knew enough.
00:36:44.960
It's not like you're pleading guilty to like running a red light.
00:36:50.240
And even in Rich's wife's letter, she mentions Drake Bell by name.
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And she was working on Drake and Josh working with Drake every single day.
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And in the letter, she tells the judge that he's OK, that he looks unaffected by it.
00:37:09.020
Imagine Drake working with this adult thinking, you know, he can trust her.
00:37:13.240
Meanwhile, she's writing a letter to the judge defending the predator and telling the judge
00:37:20.200
And that's someone also who was hired by Nickelodeon.
00:37:25.860
Before we move on from Drake, I want to tell the audience that the thing that made me
00:37:29.460
wide eyed in the middle of the night was the update.
00:37:32.240
Of course, like we've seen, his life went significantly downhill after all of this.
00:37:43.840
It's, you know, people understand they could fill in those blanks without me even telling
00:37:47.980
them, but then came his own charges of alleged inappropriate behavior with a minor, with
00:38:00.860
It's not, by the way, it's not that everybody who who is the victim of childhood sexual abuse
00:38:11.840
But, you know, that still leaves the vast majority who do not go on to do that.
00:38:15.700
And I don't want to even attribute the reasons behind the alleged abuse.
00:38:20.300
But he that was one of the charges against him.
00:38:23.520
And I can't help but feel like Alexa, this is this part of the danger.
00:38:26.420
Like this is the cycle when when kids get sucked into this devastating world of abuse
00:38:33.620
that were sentencing them, them, just Drake, to a lifetime of awfulness.
00:38:38.600
And then others, others like the little girl who he wound up hurting.
00:38:45.220
Yeah, I mean, you know, when it comes to abuse, like, as you said, not every single person
00:38:51.680
ends up, you know, recycling the trauma on to others, but it does happen.
00:38:57.520
And the most important, that's why when people don't take this seriously, it's it's really
00:39:05.460
beyond devastating for the future, because this is how things do recycle.
00:39:11.020
I really do believe that I really do believe that.
00:39:15.200
I know there's that saying her people hurt people, but it is very true.
00:39:18.900
And if we don't take people's trauma seriously and we don't try to prevent, you know, harmful
00:39:24.660
things happening to children, especially then, you know, we can't be surprised when things
00:39:30.620
happen, you know, out of the blue, someone harming someone, because usually people are
00:39:37.380
And this behavior is a learned experience for them.
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And they end up taking back their power in a very, very weird way.
00:39:47.820
By doing that act and being in the different position this time.
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And I'm not saying that's necessarily Drake Bell, for example, but that happens regularly,
00:39:57.200
where that's how trauma can manifest in the mind.
00:40:04.960
Because it's like, people know this, but just because it may not be your child doesn't mean
00:40:10.200
it's not going to be someone, you know, or the next generation of children coming up who
00:40:15.960
you might know, like, this is widespread and it gets covered up and people know this.
00:40:22.480
And by the way, can we spend a minute on how that's probably no accident?
00:40:26.440
You know, the, these pedophiles, there's a reason they went in and exploited the Boy
00:40:33.100
There's a reason so many of them pop up at a place like Nickelodeon.
00:40:39.800
That's why the organization has a heightened duty to be vigilant about background checks
00:40:46.420
and protection mechanisms and checking in with the children and making sure no one's
00:40:51.100
ever unsupervised and certainly not spending the night at anybody's house because of this
00:41:03.640
Number one for me personally, when I see people, you know, wanting to hang around children,
00:41:09.380
even though children are amazing, you know, it's always a little bit bizarre when someone's
00:41:14.100
an adult, you know, is really wanting to constantly hang around children.
00:41:18.520
And so that should be honestly the first red flag for me personally.
00:41:22.380
And then obviously you look further, but you know, that's number one for me, just because
00:41:27.880
some adults wanting to hang out with children 24 seven is a little bit concerning, you know,
00:41:34.140
unless this is your child or this is your child's friend and they're having a play date, you
00:41:39.320
know, those things are normal, but it is a little bit of a red flag when an adult is so
00:41:44.480
And we know from the Catholic church, for example, you know, this is how these things happen.
00:41:49.120
They're, they're looking for access to children.
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And so they'll gravitate towards environments that give them access to children, which is why
00:41:57.500
Nickelodeon has the responsibility where they're on the lookout for that and not even on the lookout
00:42:03.180
for that being extremely protective to make sure that no one's getting too close.
00:42:08.120
No one's acting in a type of way that could lead to actual abuse.
00:42:14.540
And, and yet it wasn't just the hostile work environment alleged against Dan Schneider.
00:42:30.040
I mean the name, but he was responsible for shepherding the children from A to B on set.
00:42:37.380
Of course, there's going to be somebody who says like, now you're going over here for your,
00:42:40.300
you know, homeschooling and now you got to go over here and work your lines with Brian
00:42:45.340
And now you got to go out here and do the scenes.
00:42:47.280
And he was the guy and the pictures of him in the docuseries.
00:42:57.960
He describes himself as a pedophile and he was caught because a little girl named Brandy
00:43:05.340
who had been guest starring just, she appeared, I think in an episode or two on one of the
00:43:11.420
Uh, he struck up a relationship with her, like work with me.
00:43:15.160
I've got, you know, all these industry connections.
00:43:19.220
You know, this connection from her stint on the show.
00:43:22.200
The next thing, you know, he sends her a naked picture of himself masturbating.
00:43:26.880
She's a little girl and God bless this family because a lot of parents were like, I don't
00:43:36.400
I don't want my kid involved any further than she's been, but she did testify against him.
00:43:44.520
He pleaded no contest to multiple charges, was ordered to serve a six year prison sentence
00:43:49.020
released in 2009, moved to North Carolina, registered as a sex offender 2014, arrested
00:43:55.320
on three counts of indecent liberties with a child and two counts of sex offender registry
00:43:59.760
Now he's serving a sentence at the federal correctional institution in Virginia.
00:44:05.900
These are the staffers around these children at Nickelodeon, right, right around the time
00:44:12.020
I don't, it just seems, I don't know, because let me ask you this.
00:44:15.680
When I read these statements that the docuseries producers put up at the end of every episode,
00:44:20.120
and I'll read some of them too, to make sure that the defenses are aired here.
00:44:25.320
What I hear is Nickelodeon's changes policies to try to do better.
00:44:30.320
That's literally like, and like, yeah, what, what have they done?
00:44:41.400
I mean, again, we must remember that most likely the person who Drake, Drake's dad went to was
00:44:51.660
And so it's, it's, it's kind of a joke to hear Nickelodeon say that when, you know, their
00:44:56.260
president, president, their current president, you know, was a person who did not protect
00:45:04.040
And if anything got promoted and is behind that statement today.
00:45:07.440
So, you know, when I hear these things, this is just the entertainment industry in a nutshell,
00:45:12.040
where they are constantly promoting, financially rewarding the people that do not protect their
00:45:18.900
employees, do not protect the children, and they discard the survivors, the victims of abuse.
00:45:24.820
And that's just the pattern time and time again.
00:45:27.600
And listening to Nickelodeon, you know, you can just tell it's a bunch of lawyers in a room, finding the
00:45:33.120
right words to protect their, I want to say asses, protect themselves, and not actually protect the
00:45:42.840
And I think in that statement, they also talked about formal complaints, like, when a formal
00:45:47.740
complaint happens, we take it really seriously.
00:45:49.860
Well, for example, Drake's dad went to Brian Robbins, most likely, and they blocked Drake's
00:45:59.940
What should have happened, what Brian Robbins should have done was say, wow, I hear you.
00:46:08.960
If he is a concern to you, and that's what, that's what should have happened.
00:46:12.560
But no, instead, they gaslit the dad and eventually let the dad get cut out of the whole picture,
00:46:25.740
They hire an outside law firm, and then suddenly everything goes away.
00:46:32.900
Or like, we looked into it, and something was done.
00:46:36.780
Or they don't hire an outside law firm, and they investigate themselves, which we all know
00:46:42.140
Yeah, that's not going to be a trusted source whatsoever.
00:46:46.480
I mean, when you think about Jeanette McCurdy's book, for example, right, and you think about
00:46:50.260
Nickelodeon's statement, when it came to Dan Schneider saying, we did not find any type
00:46:55.720
of behavior like this when it came to our investigation with Dan Schneider.
00:46:59.480
Didn't you try to get Jeanette McCurdy to sign NDA?
00:47:02.980
Didn't you try to get her to sign NDA before she left Nickelodeon?
00:47:08.720
Because she sure sounded like she had a lot to say about her experience at Nickelodeon.
00:47:13.240
So when I hear statements in general from these lawyers, corporations, institutions,
00:47:18.600
their main goal is to protect the company and protect their money, their property, essentially.
00:47:24.780
And so, you know, you just look at it and go, okay, cute, cute, cute, but we know what
00:47:34.800
Okay, so I want to read Nickelodeon's statement regarding the alleged behaviors of on past
00:47:40.220
production sets. Though we cannot corroborate or negate allegations of behaviors from productions
00:47:45.160
decades ago, Nickelodeon, as a matter of policy, investigates all formal complaints as part of
00:47:51.120
our commitment to fostering a safe and professional workplace environment free of harassment or other
00:47:54.620
kinds of inappropriate conduct. Our highest priorities are the well-being and best interests
00:47:58.400
of not just our employees, cast and crew, but of all children. And we have adopted numerous
00:48:02.620
safeguards over the years to help ensure we're living up to our own high standards and the
00:48:08.320
expectations of our audience. Other statements we will post on our show page on YouTube and on my
00:48:16.100
megankelly.com. And there are multiple statements from Dan Schneider as well. He regrets and he
00:48:26.780
apologizes and expresses regret and embarrassment and holds himself accountable for his previous
00:48:31.940
behavior. He wants some of his old jokes to now be cut from the reruns of his own show,
00:48:37.060
but he denies having been cut off from the child's stars while there. Says he, there's a reason they
00:48:42.740
turfed him to some other room other than that they didn't want him to have any ongoing contact.
00:48:47.320
Look, what's the bottom line? What, what, what's the bottom line here, right? Do we, does somebody
00:48:53.260
still need to be fired? Is this guy, Brian, we'll reach out to him. We didn't get a comment from him,
00:48:57.240
but I mean, what's the takeaway? Is it safe for children to be working in these environments?
00:49:00.540
What? Uh, I don't think so. I don't think so. Cause I don't even think it's safe for adults
00:49:06.360
per se. So when you put children into these environments that we have learned now adults
00:49:10.820
are not safe in, like how, how can we believe that children are safe? And also just the Hollywood
00:49:17.200
industry in general for a child, I just personally don't think is appropriate. I'm not pro child stars
00:49:23.880
in general. I do not believe that children should be working. I like child labor laws and I want them to
00:49:29.220
be very strict. I don't want to see any children working whatsoever. And so no, I don't think
00:49:34.700
children are safe because I can see still today that adults aren't safe. Yeah. I gotta say, I
00:49:41.860
wouldn't do it with my kid. Uh, having knowing what I know, but listen, you're so brave. Thank you so
00:49:47.300
much for telling your story, for being here. People find her work at eat predators, YouTube channel
00:49:59.220
Former RNC chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel officially fired by NBC news. By the way, CAA has also fired
00:50:06.940
her reportedly her agent. Agents are the worst. They're the worst. Someday I'll tell you my agent
00:50:14.940
story and you will not believe how horrifying it is. Okay. Meantime, uh, joy read and Rachel Maddow.
00:50:22.800
So gleeful, so thankful last night to NBC management for axing McDaniel and making her a national
00:50:30.340
laughing stock. They really, really, really love that and saving their sacred air. I am grateful
00:50:37.660
to Caesar for actually making the right decision. I think it was the right decision, but I want to get
00:50:41.480
your take as well. Oh, thank you for asking me about it. I will just say that journalists are a
00:50:47.380
fractious bunch to see the executives and the leadership hear that and respond to it and be
00:50:54.040
willing to change course based on it, based on their respect for us and hearing what we argued.
00:51:00.000
I, I have deep respect for that. And I think it's a show of strength and I'm, I'm grateful that our,
00:51:04.840
our leadership was willing to do the, I think the, the bold, strong, resilient thing.
00:51:10.500
Rachel Maddow. It's always a pleasure. Uh, my friend, thank you very much. I now release you to
00:51:14.780
your evening because we cannot get enough Rachel. Can't we? Shows like Morning Joe can now go back to
00:51:20.280
featuring voices. They prefer to the terrible election denier, Ronna McDaniel. A few weeks ago,
00:51:27.340
they had on the authors of a new book. They really want you to read called white rural rage.
00:51:33.320
It's a book all about how those pesky white rural voters who they hate pose a threat to the country.
00:51:41.700
Watch. They're the most racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-gay geodemographic group
00:51:48.300
in the country. Second, they're the most conspiracist group. QAnon support and subscribers,
00:51:52.920
election denialism, COVID denialism, and scientific skepticism, Obama birtherism. Third,
00:51:58.800
anti-democratic sentiments. They're also the most strongly white nationalists and white
00:52:03.360
Christian nationalists. And fourth, they are most likely to excuse or justify violence.
00:52:07.860
So you mentioned a lot of negative factors about, about this, this demographic. Um, Tom,
00:52:13.600
what else do they have in common? Democrats have been told that in order to get rural voters to get
00:52:19.480
them to listen to you, you have to go there. You have to really empathize with them. You have to
00:52:23.040
show them that you understand their lives. You have to, you know, put on a Carhartt jacket and
00:52:27.060
go down to somebody's farm and yeah, maybe milk a cow. Yes. And it turned out that none of that was
00:52:32.580
true. All that he gave them was a way to essentially give a big middle finger to Democrats,
00:52:37.760
to people who live in cities. I'm sorry. I know you heard me. We keep the mic on during the
00:52:42.220
soundbites. Fuck them. That's so obnoxious. They're so, you have a beer, those losers in
00:52:48.000
the rural communities is, you know, they sit around getting drunk all day, just living off
00:52:52.700
of my paycheck. Okay. Uh, we've got thoughts on all of this and we have a great guest today to
00:52:58.100
discuss it all. She's got an in-depth knowledge of the media and working class voters too. She
00:53:02.900
just wrote a book about the latter. Uh, Batya Angarsargon is the opinion editor for Newsweek.
00:53:08.220
In 2021, she was on this program after she wrote the book, Bad News, How Woke Media is
00:53:14.000
Undermining Democracy. Obviously still very relevant today. And now she's out with a brand
00:53:19.580
new book next week. It's called Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men
00:53:25.760
and Women. It's available for pre-order now. This is her first interview about it. Batya,
00:53:32.540
Oh, Megan, it is so amazing to be here with you. You are such a role model to me personally,
00:53:38.960
but I think to so many journalists, um, I'm so honored to be here and I am so excited to
00:53:45.260
talk about the book. This is the first interview I'm doing about it. And I just could not be more
00:53:49.940
happy to be here. You are so sweet. I admire you. I admire your writing and your fortitude.
00:53:55.640
And I've been watching you light up the internet clip after clip over the past year plus,
00:54:00.220
really enjoying getting your take out there and having people be introduced to your very smart
00:54:05.040
thinking. Um, let's start on the second point before we get to the NBC drama. That clip is so
00:54:11.920
offensive. We've been trying to get to it now for the better part of a month because it happened a
00:54:16.120
while, a few weeks ago, but the dripping disdain for these disgusting white rural voters, just a
00:54:26.460
broad brush on how gross they are with their Carhartt jackets and their beer. That's what you'd have to
00:54:33.000
drink in order to get along with them. Right. It's certain male gesture is basically being done under
00:54:38.900
the table is stomach turning and they are not alone. It's not just the set of, and the crew of
00:54:44.300
mourning jail. Absolutely. Um, this book, white rural rage is the Democrats fantasy about why they
00:54:53.580
are losing because it gives them an alibi for what actually happened, which is that they abandoned the
00:55:00.280
working class, which is now flocking to Donald Trump. And instead of acknowledging all of their
00:55:06.620
failures, which stem from the very contempt that you are pinpointing, Megan, they come up with this
00:55:13.500
fantasy that the other side are racists or fascists or election deniers or this or that, whatever the
00:55:23.140
insult of the month is as an alibi for themselves. So they don't have to do the hard work of looking
00:55:31.400
inside and analyzing how they lost the working class and how they came to develop hatred for the
00:55:38.580
Americans who we rely on to survive. They're just, as I said yesterday, when they were discussing the
00:55:46.080
Ronna McDaniel thing, they ooze sanctimony. They're holier than thou approach to the news, to Americans,
00:55:55.800
to Republicans is on its sleeve. You it's readily available for all to see. And they are clueless
00:56:03.500
about what a turnoff this is to normal people. I mean, I'm not, I'm not working class. I come from
00:56:10.220
a middle class family, but I'm disgusted by them. I mean, you don't have to be in the working class
00:56:15.280
to hate what they're doing, which brings me to your book. I mean, your book is the opposite of their
00:56:19.720
book of that book that they were promoting there. Your book does this radical thing of actually trying
00:56:24.800
to figure out who are the working class and what is driving them. What does concern them? Is it all
00:56:33.140
the things that they just listed there? As it turns out, you have found the answer's no.
00:56:39.080
That's absolutely right, Megan. Their contempt for the working class, they dress it up as though it is
00:56:46.720
some sort of moral sanctimony or some sort of political ideology. It's just money, right? They're
00:56:54.180
all millionaires and they sit there on their cable news channels and sneer at the people who clean
00:56:59.460
their toilets, right? That that's what's happening there, right? Make no mistake about it. That
00:57:04.540
sanctimony stems from the clash between their economic privilege on the one hand and their belief that they
00:57:11.580
are the good guys on the other hand, which don't often go hand in hand. What I found in my book was
00:57:17.060
the exact opposite of white rural rage. I spent a year traveling across America interviewing working
00:57:24.500
class people in all industries of all races, religious persuasions, family breakdowns, what
00:57:31.540
have you. And what I found was that whether or not a working class person votes Democrat or Republican,
00:57:39.460
they by and large have a very similar ideology and view of the world. First of all, these are the most
00:57:45.940
tolerant people you will ever meet. And that tolerance stems from a number of places. First
00:57:52.260
of all, this country is finally becoming the great nation that we were promised to be at our founding.
00:57:58.240
And that is very important to working class Americans. I write a lot about how they've been
00:58:01.880
abandoned by both sides, by the elites on both sides. These people are so patriotic. They still love
00:58:07.620
this country, even though so many people have given up on them. And they also are very similar when it
00:58:14.480
comes to politics. So one of the major headlines that I found in the book, Megan, was that the vast
00:58:20.700
majority of working class Americans want basically a total moratorium on immigration, right? Because
00:58:26.900
they understand the truth, which is that these immigrants are lowering their wages. But they also
00:58:32.000
want some sort of government backed health care. They feel like they can't afford good health care,
00:58:37.520
and it bothers them a lot. So you see how neither party is really representing them, right? One party has
00:58:42.840
open borders, but we'll talk about health care. The other party has the immigration piece, but doesn't
00:58:48.260
have a health care policy. On other issues, they're so united, whether they're Democrats or Republicans.
00:58:53.820
For example, I found that working class Americans are extremely pro-gay. I spoke to a lot of
00:58:58.980
Christians who have a gay person in their life who they want to be treated with dignity, but they're very
00:59:05.440
worried about the transgender ideology. They don't like seeing it in sports. They don't like seeing it in
00:59:11.360
schools. They don't want to hear teachers talking to their kids about sexuality. And this really
00:59:16.400
unites both conservative and liberal working class people. In short, what I would say is, is that
00:59:22.020
polarization is a totally elite phenomenon, Megan. Working class Americans are so much more united than
00:59:28.340
they are divided. That is so interesting and just confirms a general feeling. One of the things I love
00:59:34.400
about, you know, we put the show as a podcast and the YouTube, but we were also live on SiriusXM during
00:59:39.080
the day. And so we get such a wide variety of listeners calling in when we take calls. You know,
00:59:44.640
you'll get doctors and lawyers and that, and you'll, you get the truckers and they, they have so many
00:59:49.620
similar views. It's like people who are on the right side, I think generally are more right leaning.
00:59:53.760
They have a lot of similar views because I don't think that there's that many, there are some
00:59:57.620
conservative elites, but this elite thing seems to be rather unique to the Democrat party. I understand
01:00:04.360
the Republican party fractured because there were too many elites on the GOP side with the chamber of
01:00:07.880
commerce and all that kind of thing. But the way things stand today, the Democrats do.
01:00:13.120
They have the majority of the so-called elites who are lecturing us at every turn. And I think most of
01:00:18.600
my listeners are disgusted by it and see the same problems that you just outlined, no matter what
01:00:23.340
their income is. Just to put a couple more points on it, here's a little bit more of them talking
01:00:28.620
about this is because this is not just MSNBC. This is how the left sees the problem with the pesky
01:00:33.960
Trump voters, the annoying half of the country that continues to try to back Trump and put him
01:00:40.240
in office. And, and like the problem with the American electorate. Here's top 27.
01:00:46.280
We spent a couple of years after Donald Trump got elected, you know, journalists went to every
01:00:51.100
single diner in middle America to try to talk to red-hatted MAGA folks about what, what concerned
01:00:56.560
them, what they were mad about. Nobody went to the rural African-Americans, rural Latinos,
01:01:01.660
rural Native Americans to find out what's mad, what they're mad about. And they have every reason
01:01:05.840
to be mad, but you know what they're not doing? They're not overrunning the Capitol. They're not
01:01:10.120
going down to their state Capitol carrying AR-15s. They have, and nobody treats them the way we do
01:01:16.760
right rural Americans as though we have a moral obligation to know what they're angry about and
01:01:22.260
to cater to them. Oh my God. Do you know what's so funny, Megan, is that, you know what Black Americans
01:01:30.900
are really angry about? The open border, right? They would never let them talk about that on MSNBC
01:01:38.520
or CNN, right? They are really, really angry that the Democrats abandoned them to open the border and
01:01:45.500
welcome in an entirely new slave cast from failed socialist states to do working class jobs. And by
01:01:52.420
the way, that signals to working class people that you are nothing. That's what happens there. When you
01:01:59.760
take in 10 million people to compete with people who clean toilets, which is not actually an inherently
01:02:05.840
bad job, if it pays well, you signal to Americans, an American doesn't do this job. Why would we do that
01:02:14.560
to people who work so hard? Why would we tell people who clean diapers of the elderly, right?
01:02:21.540
People we rely on so much to do these hard, hard jobs that you are nothing. An American shouldn't
01:02:28.680
be doing this job. It's so appalling. Contempt everywhere you look, Megan, from these elites,
01:02:34.160
you are so right. It's amazing to hear. I love to hear them say it. I love it when they just put it
01:02:40.240
out there. But just to pull out a couple of the quotes, which we ran in the opening soundbite,
01:02:45.700
this is Tom Schaller talking about it. They're the most racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant,
01:02:50.320
anti-gay geodemographic group in the country. Most conspiratorial, COVID denialism.
01:02:59.460
I'd love to hear what specifically, what? They denied that COVID began in a wet market? Because
01:03:08.380
that's not what happened. They should have denied that. They denied that the vaccine would stop the
01:03:13.160
spread. They were right about that, too. They don't believe in an independent press
01:03:20.420
or free speech. It's the white, rural voters who don't want free speech, not the elite leftists who
01:03:32.200
are trying to police what we say at every turn on the Internet and on college campuses and elsewhere.
01:03:40.580
There's a psychological term called projection, right, where you don't want to admit your own
01:03:44.740
faults. And so you see them in everybody that you interact with. And that's exactly what this is.
01:03:49.840
Everything that the Democratic elites try to push onto rural voters, onto the working class, onto the
01:03:55.880
MAGA voter, is true about them. And it's so funny because when I try to convince Democrats like,
01:04:01.880
hey, maybe we shouldn't be throwing these people out, right? They'll say to me, well, don't any of
01:04:06.540
these working class people care that, you know, Donald Trump is a threat to our democracy? And
01:04:12.220
honestly, Megan, what I heard a lot was it's kind of a threat to our democracy to take the most popular
01:04:17.720
politician in the entire country off of the ballot, right? It's kind of a threat to democracy to wage
01:04:24.280
lawfare against the most popular politician in the country because you are terrified that he is
01:04:30.520
appealing to the very voters that used to be your base. And it's not just the white working class,
01:04:35.160
right? So, for example, in 2020, Trump was polling at 8 percent of black men. He got 18 percent of black
01:04:41.740
men in 2020. Today, he's polling at 30 percent of black men. You can imagine how many black men are
01:04:47.620
going to actually vote for him. He's polling at the majority of Hispanics, which is the majority of that
01:04:52.360
community is working class. I mean, this is no longer a white working class party. The Republican
01:04:58.020
Party now is the party of the working class. And that divide in the GOP is going to be crucial to the
01:05:03.340
future. I mean, Megan, you get it, right, that there's no returning to the Chamber of Commerce, Nikki Haley
01:05:08.260
version of the party, right? But I think a lot of people are sort of in denial about it. And they have to
01:05:13.420
realize, like, these voters, these are the best voters because they're the majority of the country,
01:05:18.000
right? If the Republican Party can seize on what does it mean to be working class today and how can
01:05:23.400
we protect these workers and their labor and their dignity, they will have the ruling majority that
01:05:28.420
the Democrats always dreamt of. By the way, on that front, this is what they're doing instead over on
01:05:34.760
the left to raise money and gin up enthusiasm. This just came across the wire. On Thursday, tomorrow,
01:05:42.240
Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton will hold a fundraiser in New York City for Joe Biden and his
01:05:49.680
2024 race. The cheapest tickets are $225. If you would like a photo with all three men, it will cost you
01:05:58.580
the low, low price of $100,000. Access to more intimate receptions will cost $250,000 or $500,000. So
01:06:13.940
they're really going for the plumbers of America. That's the class they're really trying to appeal to
01:06:20.780
here with their $225 tickets and their $100,000 photos. It's so amazing because prior to Bill
01:06:33.620
Clinton, the Democrats used to be the party of the working class. And then Bill Clinton showed up and
01:06:39.860
said, actually, let's have a trade deal called NAFTA. Let's send 5 million good middle class American jobs
01:06:47.700
to China and Mexico, build up their middle class, and then import cheap products for our new base,
01:06:54.900
who are the college-educated elites. Barack Obama shows up and says, those jobs aren't coming back.
01:07:00.420
Maybe your father worked in a factory. You're not going to work in a factory. And so they ship all
01:07:05.120
the good-paying jobs overseas. And then Joe Biden shows up and says, actually, the remaining jobs,
01:07:10.820
we're going to open the border and bring in an entirely new slave cast to compete with you here for
01:07:15.440
the jobs that are still here. So it's like this, you know, it's really a gallery of rogues. When
01:07:20.400
you think about the process the Democratic Party went through to abandon the working class and instead
01:07:26.020
cater to the college-credentialed elites who consume cheap products from China and consume cheap labor of
01:07:32.360
illegal immigrants, right? That's literally what that photo would be. I've told this story before,
01:07:38.600
but there was an event I went to out where I stay in Montana. And I wasn't actually attending the
01:07:46.440
event. I just went by it because I have a house there. So I was like, okay, I'll swing by. I was
01:07:51.340
invited to swing by. And there was this debate. This is in 2019, I think, or 2020. It was a debate
01:07:56.540
under folding. It was all the elites. It was all the who's who's from Republican politics, Democratic
01:08:01.540
politics, and tech, and Hollywood. I mean, it was one of these muckety-muck situations.
01:08:05.820
And they were having a debate about our relationship with China. And you know who stood up
01:08:11.680
and said, I've got real questions about them. I don't trust them. I think they're spying on us.
01:08:17.440
I think the relationship has cost working class jobs. It was Mila Kunis, Ashton Kutcher's wife.
01:08:25.220
She's an actress. She was there with him. And she stood up and I was like, you go, girl. Well,
01:08:30.980
the crowd turned on her. Like, how dare you? Right? Some guy who stood up like, I have a PhD
01:08:40.880
in Chinese studies. And I can tell you, we're making real progress. And we're at the dawn of
01:08:44.360
a new age with China. Okay. Then we got a spy balloon. We got COVID. We got all the lies.
01:08:49.480
And it was just such a good microcosm into how these elites, about whom you write in your book,
01:08:55.080
Second Class, just see the world and stifle dissent. They don't want to hear it. They don't
01:09:00.660
want to hear any voices that question their master plan because they genuinely think they know better.
01:09:07.060
It's so true. And, you know, Trump really, you know, he took an ax to the handshake agreement
01:09:12.880
between both parties that, you know, we should be shipping good American jobs overseas. But he also
01:09:16.880
really took an ax to the pretensions of the expert class. And nothing reveals this more than the way
01:09:22.900
economists talk about immigration. So every time you bring up the fact that these people are literally
01:09:28.020
competing with Americans for jobs and driving down their wages, every single PhD economist will show
01:09:34.340
up and lecture you and say, aha, but immigration raises GDP in the aggregate. Therefore, it is good.
01:09:41.660
And it's like, people don't live in the aggregate. There's a class divide in this country.
01:09:46.180
One part of the country is consuming cheap labor. And one part of the country is trying to raise a
01:09:51.680
family by working that cheap labor job that no longer pays a living wage, right? Obviously,
01:09:57.780
all of the gains of immigration have gone to the top 20%, the top 10%, which are now hoarding over 50%
01:10:04.420
of the GDP. So you have these like college credentialed democratic elites who love to rail about the 1%.
01:10:10.520
But it's not really the 1% that's hoarding the majority of the GDP. It's actually them. And they
01:10:16.960
are hoarding the American dream. They are preventing working class people from being able to have
01:10:21.580
the most modest things, Megan. I mean, it brings tears to your eyes. All these people want is to be
01:10:28.020
left alone, to work very hard and raise a family in dignity, own a home, maybe have a vacation once a
01:10:34.860
year and retire in dignity. It is so modest. It is everything that the college elites take for
01:10:40.660
granted. And yet it is increasingly impossible for working class people to achieve the American
01:10:45.820
dream, despite the fact that they are doing the jobs that we all rely on to survive.
01:10:51.100
And yet what do you have? You have a president who right now is focused on student loan, quote,
01:10:57.920
forgiveness, which is a wealth transfer, where those truckers I was just talking about are going to pay
01:11:01.880
for some snot nose, nose kids, student loans that the trucker wisely did not take out because he
01:11:07.400
realized that would probably be a waste of money, whether you're going on to, you know, an elite
01:11:12.360
job in media, or you're going to drive a truck. It's becoming more and more obvious that you're not
01:11:17.360
getting a lot of bang for your buck in these institutions. But in any event, so he's trying
01:11:21.100
to get the youth vote by the wealth transfer. And he's doing the, oh, we're all going to be driving
01:11:27.020
electric powered cars by 2032. And that's, I mean, that's a direct punishment of the working class.
01:11:33.620
They're not going to pay $80,000 for a Tesla. They can't. They can't pay $225 for a ticket to
01:11:41.560
meet you either, Joe Biden. That's, that's the difference between eating that month and not.
01:11:47.540
They don't get it, right? So it's like, all of the president's policies seem ginned at,
01:11:52.620
at, um, it's in gear toward ginning up support amongst those core elite groups that we were
01:11:57.820
just talking about, like the rich soccer moms, the elite college grads and, you know, higher
01:12:03.940
education grads, uh, and the people who are driving Teslas who are definitely not working class.
01:12:11.000
That's absolutely right. Uh, when the Democrats abandoned the working class, they created an
01:12:15.340
entirely new agenda that was meant to appeal to the college educated. So for example, you know,
01:12:20.880
green new deal climate stuff, the kind of stuff you can worry about when all of your direct needs
01:12:25.540
are being met, right? When you are a person who, you know, doesn't even notice that groceries are
01:12:30.160
up by 18%, right? You have time to worry about things like, you know, the climate so-called climate
01:12:35.200
crisis, right? So that's a perfect example of a, an elite obsession that is actually a tax on the
01:12:41.980
working class. As you point out, Megan, I mean, it goes beyond just the cost of the cars, which is huge
01:12:46.460
in rural America. You can't drive an electric car because you can't stop every three hours and,
01:12:51.700
and, and, and put energy in it, right? You, you got, you have to drive much, much further to get
01:12:56.120
to work, to get back. And you don't have an hour to sit there. I mean, that's time, that's money,
01:13:00.300
right? And even if you can stop, you can't sit there for at best, at best 20 minutes if they found
01:13:04.860
a super fast charger, but it's not going to be super fast in most of these stations.
01:13:08.720
That's exactly right. And, and even from the point of view of the auto workers,
01:13:14.280
an EV takes so much less time on the line to produce. So they know that these EVs signal less
01:13:20.880
working hours for them, less money, less take-home pay, and they're not selling. They're just sitting
01:13:26.740
on the lots, right? So again, an upward transfer of wealth to the elites that the working class is
01:13:32.380
supposed to pay for because the elites get high on this sense of we are the virtuous ones. We're
01:13:37.540
protecting the planet. You mentioned student loan forgiveness, another upward transfer of wealth,
01:13:42.100
the open border, right? Which is wage theft of the working class. I interviewed in the book,
01:13:49.340
you will meet people, janitors, Americans, black Americans who take so much pride in this work,
01:13:55.360
and yet they cannot make a living because they are competing against people who will do it for seven,
01:13:59.960
eight, $9 an hour. It is wage theft. Of course, the person hiring the janitor, he loves that, right?
01:14:06.900
So they took an agenda, policy agenda, that was geared towards protecting the working class,
01:14:13.760
and they abandoned that and transformed their agenda into protecting the vanity of the elites.
01:14:19.460
And you know who stepped in and picked up that exact agenda, working class agenda? It was Donald Trump,
01:14:24.520
who sounds more like a New Deal Democrat than he does like a Republican. I mean, think about it. Trade
01:14:30.440
war with China, tariffs, closing the border, 15 weeks on abortion. He's courting black voters. He's
01:14:37.520
courting union voters. He got a historic $45,000 donation out of the Teamsters for the RNC. If you
01:14:44.360
want to look for a consensus candidate, somebody who showed up, looked at where the electorate was,
01:14:51.360
where 70 percent of Americans were at. If you just look at policy, Donald Trump is the consensus
01:14:57.340
candidate that Joe Biden pretended he was going to be. It's so true. And yet this is why they don't
01:15:03.760
understand on the left why people aren't completely outraged over the latest comment of the day from
01:15:11.060
Trump, the latest tweet or truth. So like, I don't get it. How can they vote for him? I've told the
01:15:16.440
viewers that I met Barbara Streisand years ago. It was 2016. And, um, she's, I, I know, I know her
01:15:25.320
politics, but I love her talent and I love a lot of her movies. So I'm able to separate the two,
01:15:30.700
unlike these lunatics on the left who want to condemn everybody for their politics. Um, but she
01:15:35.200
said to me, how, how did, how did the coal miners vote for Donald Trump? I said, Barbara, Hillary
01:15:43.560
promised to take away their jobs. She made it a pillar of her campaign to wipe out coal. But you
01:15:50.740
know, Barbara Streisand lives in a multimillion dollar cliffside estate out in the Santa Barbara
01:15:58.480
region. And she's, her life is made forever. She's got more money than she could ever spend
01:16:04.060
in her or her children's or grandchildren's lifetimes. They can't get themselves out of their
01:16:09.520
bubble. Robert De Niro out there are talking on the late night shows about how he would never
01:16:13.540
play Donald Trump. He's so disgusting. There's nothing redeeming in him. How could people vote
01:16:17.540
for him? Same. He's, he's adorned with acting awards and red carpet ceremonies and visits to con
01:16:25.020
where everybody kisses his ring and all of his, you know, Oscars and the Godfathers and everything
01:16:29.480
surrounding him with all of his wonderful millions and George Clooney meetups. That's not how the people
01:16:36.860
you met are living. They're worried about their paychecks, about their food, about their health
01:16:44.200
care. And they don't give a damn about his tweets or all the allegedly horrible things De Niro sees in
01:16:52.300
Donald Trump. And it's so disgusting the way that they sneer at these people. Like, I want to tell you
01:16:59.940
about a person that I met in Florida. Her name is Amy. She's in the book. She's gay. She's married to
01:17:05.240
a woman and her wife's mother is an evangelical Christian. And when I walked into the home where
01:17:12.620
the mother was, she, when she saw my Jewish star, she flipped out. She'd been waiting her whole life
01:17:18.180
for a Jew to show up for her to proselytize to. And she was so excited to meet me and tell me about
01:17:24.180
Jesus. And I was, you know, totally happy to hear it. And on my way out, she handed me a Bible and
01:17:30.160
she said, this is my favorite Bible. I want you to have it. And I, we get in the car and Amy said to
01:17:35.280
me, I was worried that would happen. Uh, you can leave the Bible. You don't have to take it. And I
01:17:40.520
said to her, are you kidding me? This is so precious to me. She's an evangelical Christian. One of the most
01:17:47.700
religious people I've ever met in my life. She loves you. She loves her daughter. She would never occur to
01:17:53.580
her to judge you guys. She supports you. They, they live in a, in a home on her property. This is so
01:17:59.140
precious. This is America. I mean, this Bible represents to me, America. And Amy voted for Biden.
01:18:06.060
Her wife voted for Trump because she felt that he couldn't be bought. And she really respected that
01:18:10.900
about him. And Amy said to me at some point, you know, I have to admit Trump put money in my pocket.
01:18:16.560
And the only reason that Amy votes for Democrats and not for Republicans is because she says she can't get
01:18:22.060
a meeting with the Republican for her union. She's unionized. But Amy believes that parents
01:18:27.020
who bring children to, um, a, a, a drag show should be put in prison. She does not believe
01:18:33.680
in transitioning. Um, she thinks that illegal immigration is stealing jobs and lowering wages.
01:18:38.660
She's opposed to the funding of the war in Ukraine. Um, you know, she's in every other way, she's,
01:18:44.000
you know, very much aligned with where, you know, that sort of 70% of Americans are at. This is
01:18:49.820
America. This is the American working class. Yes. I, and I think like, I think about media
01:18:56.060
and the fact that people like, you know, Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid are so far removed from anyone
01:19:02.880
who's actually living like that, that they can't even think about, they can't conceptualize it
01:19:07.520
anymore. It's just so far gone from, for them. And I will say like, this is, I feel like one of the
01:19:13.180
advantages I have as a journalist is I never got too far afield from that. You know, my stepfather,
01:19:18.000
my mom's husband, 30 years, um, plumber, you know, my mom was a nurse, uh, at the Albany Veterans
01:19:25.780
Association for her entire career. My sister was a teacher, um, you know, who then got addicted to
01:19:33.660
drugs and had a lot of problems that many of our working class friends have. Um, it helps,
01:19:39.640
it helps to stay connected to people who have those lives and are working hard to make sure they can
01:19:46.340
eat dinner and pay the healthcare bills and have to watch, you know, what's in the pot, uh, in the
01:19:51.540
checking account every month, or the bill collectors are going to come. If you get too far afield from
01:19:56.880
that, you wind up like Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow and Mika Brzezinski. You do. You live your life as
01:20:03.260
Mika and Joe do in New Canaan, Connecticut, and you're surrounded only by the most fabulous. You don't
01:20:09.180
flutter an eyelid at the a hundred thousand dollar photo with the presidents or the 250 or $500,000
01:20:15.760
meeting with them. And you forget what's actually bothering people. You obsess over things like skin
01:20:21.840
color, gender, climate, right? You obsess over it. And then you don't understand anybody who disagrees.
01:20:28.940
It's sad. All right, wait, I want to tell the audience you're not leaving, but just to remind
01:20:32.560
the audience because that we need to support you. It's called second class, how the elites betrayed
01:20:37.880
America's working men and women. It's kind of like, it's kind of like, it reminds me of JD Vance's
01:20:45.020
hillbilly elegy. You know, it's kind of like that, uh, in its tone and who you're talking to second
01:20:49.720
class, how the elites betrayed America's working men and women. All right, you stay with us and, uh,
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All right, let's talk about speaking of elites, the latest from NBC. I love how in the clip,
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you know, Joy Reid is like, now I'll release you to your evening, which Rachel Maddow has plenty of
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because she works one day a week for $30 million a year. Speaking of not being in touch with regular
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working class folks. And then you've got Chris Hayes, who also doesn't work too hard,
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getting on the air last night, Tuesday. Why? Because every weekend is a three-day weekend for
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Chris Hayes, but he really wants to weigh in on the horrible Ronna McDaniel. Listen here.
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As you might know, we don't have a show on weekends or Mondays. And most of what I wanted
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to say about all this has already been said very well by my colleagues. In the end, all you can really
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ask of people in our profession is diligence and open-mindedness and critical thinking. And above all
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else, and this is really important to me, good faith. When I'm speaking to you here right now,
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I'm not putting on a show about what I think and believe. This is it. I could be wrong about things.
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Lord knows I must be sometimes. I might have opinions you think are wrong. We might tell stories
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in ways that you think leave stuff out or emphasize a wrong angle. But the key to this entire enterprise
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is a kind of bedrock trust, the trust that we really are acting in good faith.
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We really are trying to get it right. We are not feeding you lies to be good team players.
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Hmm. I am not putting on a show about what I believe and think. That's actually exactly what
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you're doing. And I love that it all boils down to good faith. And we know that's not true because
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if it were true, they would have gone back and corrected the record on, for example, Russia,
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a lie they told over and over for three years. And if it were a good faith mistake, Bata, you and I
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know they would have gone back and said, we got it wrong. We gave you the best reporting at the time.
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It turned out to be false. Never. Not Chris Hayes, not Rachel Maddow, not Nicole Wallace,
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obviously not Joy Reid, none of them. Everybody who's listening right now should go back and watch your
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video from yesterday because you did such an amazing job of teasing out the deep hypocrisy
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that goes on here. You were saying earlier, you know, these people are out of touch, right?
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Barbra Streisand out of touch. It's totally fine. If God rewards you and makes you somebody who never
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has to talk to people who are working class again, you know, say thank you to God. But what used to be
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was people who had achieved that level of success, like Joy Reid, like Chris Hayes, like Rachel Maddow,
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they had a level of humility that came along with that. It used to be called noblesse oblige,
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like this sense that you owe something back to the community, to the nation that made you so
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successful. And the difference with these people is they don't believe in that. They don't believe
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in God. They believe that it was their own merit that got them these millions and millions and
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millions of dollars. And as a result, they don't feel that they owe anything to anybody.
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The opposite. They have to protect the system that they believe elevated them. And so the way
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you do that is by silencing anybody who dares to object. And so instead of saying to working class
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people, look, I'm so successful. I know I get it. But what can I do to make sure that you have the
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modest things that you want? They silence them and call them racist and call them fascist. And which
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brings me back to Rona McDaniel. It's so funny because, you know, she's not even that representative
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of where the GOP is out, right? Donald Trump doesn't like her. He feels like she was sort of
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working against him to bring back the old GOP. But even that kind of a person, they cannot stomach
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because, as you rightly pointed out yesterday, Megan, they cannot stand the idea of giving the
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other side a fair hearing because they know that if they do, it's going to be curtains for them.
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Yeah, it's exactly the same thing as the lawfare that they're unleashing against Donald Trump because
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they don't want the voters, those racist, white, rural, dumb, beer-drinking voters to have a say
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because they're too stupid. Joy and Chris and Rachel need to decide. They're the smart ones,
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okay? That's really the message behind everything they say. You know what? They do say that in good
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faith. That is something they actually believe and telegraph night after night. We played this
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soundbite recently. It was, oh God, was it after, it was after Trump lost one of the many legal
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challenges, or when Trump won one of the legal challenges. It was on immunity. It was on immunity.
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And the Supreme Court took the case. That's what it was. He had lost the immunity argument
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at the lower court. And the liberals were banking on the Supreme Court, not reviewing that decision.
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So he'd have to go pedal to the metal on the J6 case and others. Well, the Supreme Court took it
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and the left freaked out. And this is Chris Hayes after that decision came down.
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That they would rob the People's Department of Justice the opportunity, present all the evidence
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of his guilt. That the voters of this country, you and I, the hundreds of millions of us,
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might be robbed of the information we need to determine whether the man is guilty of the
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gravest crime any politician has been accused of since the Civil War. If you were hoping that
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Donald Trump's authoritarian disregard for the rule of law was going to be stopped by Americans'
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institutions and the court at the highest level, that hope is severely diminished today.
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The Mueller investigation didn't stop him. Two congressional impeachments did not stop him.
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Today is the starkest proof yet that in the zero-sum battle between MAGA and democracy,
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there was and is only one thing that could ever truly stop Donald Trump, and that is we the people.
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He's almost there. You know, he's almost there, right? Like, he's three quarters of the way there.
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Of course, Donald Trump prevailing over a host of competitors in the primary who outspent him two to
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one. Like, if he were a Democrat, they would be noting this for what it is, which is a triumph
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of the will of the people, right? If you think about Donald Trump, and this is my plug for people
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who are really, really don't like him, you know, like, and they're really upset that he's, you know,
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possibly going to win again. I get it. I get that a lot of people don't like his character.
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But if you care about democracy, and we should all care about democracy, you have to admit that
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seeing him crush a competition that is outspending him two to one is nothing short of a triumph of the
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will of the people. You have to admit that him triumphing over the lawfare and the billions of
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dollars and the institutional might that the Democrats have thrown at him, that a person
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in America can still beat those odds, just through the will of the people showing up and casting their
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ballot. If you care about democracy, I'm begging you to acknowledge this is a win. This is what
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I love how he says it's between MAGA and democracy.
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democracy. Um, like you say, you're almost there. Oh, believe it or not, they have a role in the
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democracy too. All right. Now I've got to get to this today because there's in other news,
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more protests going on with these pro Palestinian protesters who continue to bother random civilians,
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just trying to live their lives. The latest is at Vanderbilt, which like all the other universities,
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or a lot of them didn't used to be like this, you know, down South, but it's woke and annoying just
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like the others now. So these students showed up to protest. Um, I don't know what exactly they want
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the chancellor to back the divestment movement out of Israel. They hate Israel. They think that they're
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committing a genocide and they want the chancellor to do exactly what they want him to do. So they tried
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to get into his office. They demanded to meet with him. And first they shamed a black cop for not
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joining them because the cop's black. Then they started, then they called nine one one because
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somebody needed to change her tampon. I'm not even kidding you. And they felt it was an emergency
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that she'd be allowed passage. I'm going to start with the second one because there's no way we can end
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without getting to South 35. Watch toxic shock. Yeah. There's a currently a female student who's
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being denied the right to change her tampon, uh, that has been in for multiple hours, which leads
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to an increased risk of toxic shock syndrome. So while you're saying, right. So then you should
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understand. Okay. What you are not hearing, what you're not hearing is that if she stands up to use
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the restroom to change her tampon, they are threatening arrest. So it is not an option for her.
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Ma'am, do you have an emergency? Yes, ma'am. I do. That is an emergency.
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I don't know. Do you have an emergency? Not your friend that's inside. Do you have an emergency?
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That is my emergency. Yeah. I don't, I don't remember the time that I needed to have an
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emergency personally to call nine one one for help. Yeah. But neither, you know, your friend has
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one. This is, this is important. Can you believe how stupid, I mean, Vanderbilt is a good university,
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at least on paper. Can you believe just the narcissistic, dumb behavior happening on these
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campuses? I mean, so much to say, but, um, I'll just try to narrow it down. Um, um, I'm an Oda who
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is an Arab Israeli politician used to quote, I believe it was the, the Palestinian poet, uh,
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Mahmoud Darwish, who used to say, uh, we Palestinians are lucky that our enemies are the Jews because
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otherwise nobody would care about us. And it's totally true by the way. And, um, and I think
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we American Jews are very lucky that these are the people who have taken up the other side. You
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know, there's a lot of talk about rising antisemitism, antisemitism on campus. And I just
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keep telling my fellow Jews, like, you don't understand who these people are. Like, I, I'm
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going to keep this video so I can show it to them. You know, like, come on, you know, these
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are the American Jewish students aren't in danger. You can't be in danger from somebody
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like that. You're in danger of like being unpopular with people like that. And honestly,
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that is a good thing. That should be a marker of pride. Stand up for what you believe in.
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The vast majority of Americans are behind us. You know, you go out into working class Americans,
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they don't support this nonsense. In fact, it's often coming at their expense, all of this activism,
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which has, by the way, these activists have no interest in convincing anybody. You know,
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they, they want to upset people. They don't want to convince them. And they've done, you know,
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they've done us a big favor and shown their true colors. Obviously there's people in Congress who
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are saying disgusting things and, and, you know, they should be voted out in a democratic way,
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in a democratic way, if they're, if they're, you know, residents don't like them anymore.
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But, you know, to me, I look at this and I'm like, you know, as Jews, like, thank God that this is
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what we're dealing with. It is unbelievable how philo-Semitic and pro-Israel, the American working
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class remains to this day, how marginal antisemitism is in this great country. And I just urge my
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fellow Jews to, to see it through this lens. Cause this is the truth. I don't know about the
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antisemitism. That seems obvious too, but it's definitely, I'm feeling anti-stupidism watching
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the clip. I'm, I'm feeling it strongly. It's ubiquitous. I'm going to squeeze in the one about
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the black cop too. Watch this. I hope you know that you're protecting a terrible man
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and a coward, an absolute coward who is aiding and abetting a actual genocide. Show your morality.
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What if it was your kids? Would you care? It will be your kids. It will be our kids.
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Is a job worth it, sir? Is a job worth it? You're a black thorn. We're already dealing with this.
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32,000 dead and you don't care. You can stand with us right now and be on the right side
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of history. But you won't. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame. You are black in America and
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you're not standing with the marginalized people of the world. What does that make you? What
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does that make you? A coward? Coward. Shame. Shame. Free, free Palestine. Free, free Palestine.
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let's talk Turkey. It's not really about their nonsense chant and shaming of the black cop.
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Who are the young college girls going to sleep with? Because they've run out of real men.
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Who would ever even consider going to bed with any of those mealy mouth, weak knees, cross-legged,
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elbow holding mask wearing lightweights? I'm terrified for the future of the human race.
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I love that that is where your mind went. I was going to have a whole thing about how the Democrats
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keep abandoning black Americans for other pet projects, but you're totally right. It's both the
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problem for who are the girls going to be with and also a problem for who are the young men going to be
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with because young women come out of college much more liberal than young men and Democrats now are
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refusing to date conservatives. And so you're going to have a growing sector of the population who has
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literally nobody to sleep with on both sides. And it's going to be a disaster.
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No, you can't. Girls do not look for a man who sits cross-legged when he's beyond age 10. That's
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number one. Or who's wearing a mask unless he's like elderly and has a disease and who links arms
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and nevermind all the other stuff he said. You need a real man. Trust me, when you get between the sheets
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and it's time to do business, you need a real man up there, ladies. Those guys are not it.
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Baja, such a pleasure. Love you. Please come back.
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Thank you so much, Megan. Thank you. God bless you.
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Oh, you too. Again, the book is called Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed America's Working
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Men and Women. Go get it right now. Thank you all so much for joining us.
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