00:06:34.880TMZ reporting that he died Sunday at a rehab facility, citing the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner.
00:06:43.540And just before we came to air, TMZ updating its report, adding that his death, Presley Gerber's, was the result of an apparent overdose.
00:06:54.180An autopsy has not yet been conducted.
00:06:57.020They report that he was at a facility that had a rehab facility and allowed at least some to stay on campus in their own housing, which is, you know, I don't know, questionable.
00:07:13.860I mean, I will tell you, having had someone I love in a rehab facility, they would never have allowed that.
00:07:20.700it was important for everyone in the facility to be together where you could keep a very close eye
00:07:27.040on them. And you couldn't even, like I tried to bring a care package to my loved one and you could
00:07:34.060not bring in anything that could even arguably possibly be used as a drug, like hairspray,
00:07:43.180You know, like nothing. So I got a lot of questions about how he OD'd in a rehab facility.
00:07:53.520And my guess this morning, knowing nothing, is that it has something to do with the fact that
00:07:57.660he was at this outpost on the facility as opposed to under what is lock and key when you go into
00:08:04.440these facilities. I mean, in the case of my own loved one, there was an in-hospital detox
00:08:12.760which is, you know, I'm not a drug rehab expert, but all of the ones I've spoken to have told me
00:08:19.420that that's a must. They have to go inpatient for the detox period because it's genuinely
00:08:25.200physically dangerous to them, drug addicts, if you just go cold turkey. It's not a matter of like,
00:08:29.800you know, boots up, let's do it. No, it's dangerous. And then at the end of that,
00:08:35.200they can go directly into a treatment facility where it is basically lock and key. You go
00:08:39.860involuntarily, but you're saying, keep me, keep me for 30 days. And they do keep you under lock
00:08:46.200and key and they do screen anything, anything coming into that room. So how did this happen?
00:08:52.480I mean, including your person and your pockets and your pocket book or your wallet, whatever,
00:08:56.560like there's just no way he walked in with it. So did somebody bring it to him?
00:09:01.080I guess there might've been a way he walked in. Did he smuggle it some, I don't know.
00:09:05.320But the point of this story is that Presley Gerber is dead at age 27, and he shouldn't be.
00:09:13.000He was himself a very successful model.
00:09:58.520On his face, under his right eye in 2020.
00:10:03.260I mean, that says a lot. When your 21-year-old son is getting a face tattoo and the word he chooses to tattoo is misunderstood, you've got serious problems in your family. That's an all-hands-on-deck situation. He later got it removed.
00:10:24.040presley's lengthy instagram video from november of last year caught our attention and we at that
00:10:33.880point did devote a fair amount of time to this on the show it's not like presley gerber is at the
00:10:39.180top of everybody's minds but everybody knows who cindy crawford is and they're getting to know her
00:10:43.740daughter who was two years his junior um kaya gerber who also revealed in a vogue magazine
00:10:52.660interview in August, uh, that, that she is big into psychedelics and there's nothing wrong with
00:11:00.500psychedelics. They can really help you like as a therapy, as I don't mean like, yeah, let's
00:11:05.440everybody shroom out. Uh, but I'm, we've talked a lot on the show about how psychedelics in a
00:11:11.400controlled form under the care of a psychiatrist can be life changes, changing for a lot of people.
00:11:15.740um and you you remember you know we we well we've done long full shows about this so but she's also
00:11:23.380struggled okay so we're gonna get to all of that but i'm gonna show you this very long soundbite
00:11:29.380listen to every word this was presley almost a year ago november of 2025 and within 10 months
00:19:42.840I mean, crushing it in the modeling industry.
00:19:46.720He had a great education in his K-12 schooling.
00:19:51.880He had access to very powerful people, including his own parents.
00:19:56.960His dad is, by all accounts, a billionaire, both thanks to his—he had a line of nightclubs.
00:20:03.500He would own the nightclubs in fancy hotels and sort of cachet bars and drinking areas.
00:20:13.180And then, of course, he, with his buddy George Clooney, started Casamigos Tequila and sold it for a reported billion dollars, not to mention Cindy Crawford's money.
00:20:36.000But I did learn a lot when we did this deep dive on Presley Gerber last year.
00:20:42.200after I saw that Instagram post and said, this is not going to end well.
00:20:48.380The number of medications he cited, you know, I was just looking them up.
00:20:53.480Virtually every single one of those, a side effect is drowsiness.
00:20:56.340Now you tell me if you're taking five or six meds at once,
00:20:59.440all of which have a side effect of drowsiness,
00:21:01.420and you are already a depressed person, what that could do to you?
00:21:06.740You know, like everything was a drug cocktail,
00:21:09.820and you heard this guy begging to get off of it.
00:21:11.480But hold on, before I get to that, before I get to the drug cocktail and what the system does to anybody who expresses any statement about depression, which is medicate them immediately.
00:21:23.280He was begging in that video to be titrated off of it, but couldn't seem to find a doctor to help him.
00:26:52.520It doesn't sound like he really wanted to be a model.
00:26:56.460And when you hear many interviews of him talking about his time as a model, it's very rare that he was talking about it in laudatory terms.
00:27:20.000We got scouted and signed like the same day.
00:27:22.980getting thrown into the modeling industry, it's like you sink or swim. That's like bottom line.
00:27:29.920So you just, you, you're thrown into it and you immediately have to know how everything works. I
00:27:36.200remember within the first week of signing, I'm like in New York, people are taking pictures of
00:27:40.480me, like shirt off. I'm like, this is, you know, like just my whole life changed within a month.
00:27:47.280And like, it was just, it was, it was just a very profound experience because I had to grow up
00:27:52.320quickly. All of a sudden I'm in social media school and I'm sitting in a class where I'm
00:27:56.820literally being told how to answer questions. When people tell you, when people ask you this,
00:28:02.640we want you to respond with this. When people ask you this, we want you to speak like this.
00:28:07.820And, you know, obviously I've clearly forgotten a lot of those skills, you know, over the years,
00:28:13.760but it was, yeah, like you said, it was, uh, it was interesting being thrown into that mix where
00:28:19.900you're around now these celebrities and we were definitely some of the younger ones at the at the
00:28:25.760agency can you imagine i mean honestly can you imagine putting your 13 year old and 15 year old
00:28:34.500in modeling i just i just think it's a reckless decision i i think it's known to be a terrible
00:28:42.720industry it's the same as putting them into singing the odds are overwhelmingly against
00:28:49.080them growing up to be well people. And look, this is just my, and I have nothing but empathy today
00:28:55.560for Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber, nothing but empathy for them. I'm sure they are in the depths
00:29:02.060of despair. They've issued a statement confirming that he died and asking for privacy. They don't
00:29:08.460want to make any public statements or be asked for them, and I don't blame them. This is for the rest
00:29:12.960of us. This is not about how they parented necessarily, though in part it is. I don't
00:29:19.320think it was a good idea to put young children in modeling, but it's really about parents who
00:29:24.100in general are allowing their children to grow up or forcing them to too soon.
00:29:32.66013 years old, 15 years old, going to Europe and doing modeling contracts and doing social media
00:29:38.860school where you learn how you have to present, which is not your authentic self, hint, hint,
00:29:44.860and being thrust into a vapid, toxic, empty industry where the only thing that is prized
00:29:52.460is your outward appearance. No one gives two shits what your inner strength is,0.98
00:29:58.560what your inner beauty is, what your inner wisdom is. They couldn't care less.0.98
00:30:03.820I mean, back when I would occasionally go and have a magazine shoot when I was at Fox and so on,
00:30:08.860And the models were talking about how they would have three, like they cater these events, and the models would have three little tortellinis, like the little tiny ones that you might serve in a bowl of pasta, and they would use a knife and a fork to cut them up and eat them as a meal.
00:30:26.780I mean, that's chain smoking. And he talked about how he began smoking at rehab. He said, because that's what one does. So he was already in and out of rehab. He said he was an addict by the time he was 18. Now that would have taken a while. So let's assume 17 is when at the latest, the drinking and the drugs began.
00:30:48.700So it took two years of him entering the modeling industry for him to become an addict and three for him to need inpatient rehab.
00:55:44.280And the part where I did see a little bit of the understanding of him going on and doing a show like this was when they were talking about all the conspiracy theories and craziness that's been spread about this guy in particular.
00:55:57.580That's the part I find the least necessary.
00:56:36.700it's not it doesn't matter how much proof is right in front of them it's just not the way
00:56:41.800conspiracies work that it's all about like and it's through no fault of their own there's like
00:56:47.280it's just kind of and and let's face it a lot of the conspiracies have come true in the covid years
00:56:51.800so i'm not disparaging them i'm talking about like the deeply conspiratorial people who just
00:56:56.720genuinely like that you know immediately they're going to say patrick clancy did it there's
00:57:01.060something about the mind that says like i question everything and i know better i know better i'm
00:57:07.280being lied to and so when like the truth comes and like it's so obvious to the rest of the world
00:57:12.460you're like you don't get it i'm one of the few who gets it that's how their minds a 60 minutes
00:57:18.860interview is never going to do it it's not going to do it i can understand the mode i can understand
00:57:23.360why he thought you know you think you're going into one of these theories it's a big audience
00:57:27.160maybe you can move some people but it's never it never it never ever works you know i i did an
00:57:32.180interview years ago with a pen gillette uh famous magician and but famous for many many things very
00:57:37.740smart guy and and i was talking to him and i said you know you're you're kind of a contrarian on
00:57:41.280everything like why why are you like that he goes hold on let me stop you for a second it's not a
00:57:45.400contrarian it's a skeptic and i think that's i thought that was such an important way to think
00:57:49.840about it contrarians constantly take the opposite side of everything when you're talking to someone
00:57:54.180who's really involved into deep conspiracy theory one of the most you know common phrase they they
00:57:59.500says they say is something to the effect of well that just proves and then they go back into their
00:58:05.680conspiracy theory right like it doesn't matter what the evidence is so if you're one of these
00:58:09.540people especially a guy like this who yes he's known because he was you know he's been around
00:58:13.820the trial and and and people you know who are obsessed with the story do know what he looks
00:58:17.980like and everything else but one of the things he talked about was wanting to be anonymous right
00:58:23.000Moving to New York City where you can blend in and everybody's, everybody, every other person is on the sidewalk, you know, sobbing brutally about God knows what.
00:58:32.180It's hard to stand out when you're going through a tough time in New York City.
00:58:38.560To make that decision, to try to be swallowed up by the city and disappear after the worst thing that's ever going to happen to you, and then come out and do 60 Minutes, I don't think those things work very well together.
00:58:50.180So I generally watch the interview and felt a little sympathy for him.
00:58:55.420And it's got to be the most impossible thing in the world to deal with.
00:58:58.800But at the same time, you know, just going away and living your life and maybe not describing your future family plans to millions of people might be the better way to go.
00:59:11.680And you're going to talk all about the first three kids to the kids you're going to have with this woman who also wanted her moment in the spotlight.
00:59:25.880She was a bit of an odd duck and like her candle lines.
00:59:30.060It was like, I just don't think he helped himself with like normies and I don't think
00:59:34.400he helped himself with people who think he did it.
00:59:36.900I think he should just, look, I, I realize he's a victim too.
00:59:40.880Definitely he's a victim, but there are people like me who have, I don't have scorn for him,
00:59:45.820But I do have real questions about how the hell he left his wife alone with his children after she said she was having thoughts of harming them.
00:59:51.320So it's like, I don't blame him exactly, but I don't totally exonerate him either.
00:59:57.440I do feel like you needed to be more careful.
01:00:01.000You needed to believe your wife when she was telling you that.
01:00:03.960You needed to be your children's protector.
01:00:08.040He knows I doesn't need Megyn Kelly to tell him.
01:00:09.880but that it's the reason it's the thing that kind of stops me from being anything other than just
01:00:15.100fully empathetic toward him i'm i'm i confess i'm i have some feelings of like uh where were you
01:00:21.740yeah totally and you know i think that the the vibe on him after the trial was like oh gosh he's
01:00:27.940so stoic and he didn't even show any emotion and and like i felt like maybe he i could see that
01:00:34.340right it's really it's tough i don't know how do you deal with a situation like this i i don't i
01:00:38.940don't think they think i'd be heavily medicated yeah yeah and and probably dealing with it you
01:00:43.540know what how i would deal with a situation like this really poorly like i would be god only knows
01:00:49.180what i would do i don't know i mean i hate to say things like this but like i don't even know like
01:00:52.960myself if i had to deal with a situation like this i don't even know if i'd make it to the 60
01:00:56.960minutes interview i i would be catastrophically destroyed and i'm sure he is i certainly wouldn't
01:01:03.420be thinking about like my image no no in the public eye i would never how to rehabilitate it
01:01:08.880I would never want to have another conversation with anyone who knew who I was again in my life.
01:01:12.720And that's probably the best side of how I would react to a situation like that.
01:01:16.980You know, but I think, like, one of the things, it's been interesting, and I'd love to, you know, your journey through this, I'm sure, has been really fascinating as well.
01:01:24.400But, like, I would talk to a lot of people about this particular case who had more sympathy and understanding for Lindsay Clancy than I would have necessarily thought.
01:01:36.120And it's because, you know, because I think, you know, particularly women connect to the idea of postpartum depression and the idea of these mental health struggles that were real.
01:01:46.120She did seem to really try to get help and all of this.
01:08:12.300I mean, look, I get that there are complications here.
01:08:16.640And, like, you know, like, you can make an argument, I think, that, like, maybe, you know, there's some—I lean on your legal analysis here, Megan, far more than I am.
01:08:27.620But just talking from a regular person perspective, like, if someone really did go through this, they really did look for help, they may have had some terrible reaction to some medication, all these arguments that have been brought up, that's—okay, put that to the side.
01:08:40.000that is different than whether we should separate this person from our society like i have relatives
01:08:45.860with young children the the person that has is capable of strangling their three kids with
01:08:51.720exercise bands can't be in the same free society as them that's just not a thing that can happen
01:08:56.120it's a no it's a no it's a no now is should she be in prison for the rest of her life
01:09:00.140should she have the death penalty thrown at her should she be a person who is in a high security
01:09:05.560mental institution for the rest of her life there are all sorts of different ways that could go i
01:09:10.220suppose and those details do matter certainly for her and certainly for our legal system we should
01:09:14.480follow the law as it as has been designed but like what are we talking about here we're talking about
01:09:20.800harassing the one guy who said absolutely not you can't kill your three kids that's the guy who gets
01:09:26.340the harassment what what we're upside down as a society if this guy who at the very least is
01:09:32.980making a very understandable argument that this is an unacceptable activity to engage in,0.84
01:09:40.200that's the guy who's getting all the crap for this? Not the parents, not the woman who did it,0.67
01:09:45.880not the dad who left in a questionable circumstance, but the guy who said,
01:09:49.900no, I'm holding the line of murder of children. That's the one we're going to pick apart.
01:09:54.620It's completely upside down. They will rue the day they allowed this kind of harassment of a
01:10:01.880holdout juror, because nine times out of 10, as you point out, the holdout juror is the one saying
01:10:07.900not guilty. And it's the rest of the jury that wants to send somebody to prison potentially for
01:10:13.100the rest of their lives. And it often involves a black defendant whose life hangs in the balance.
01:10:19.160And one one juror will say, no, I'm not doing that. And if we're going to give the legal
01:10:24.460colonoscopy to every holdout juror, well, he was seen with his cell phone, Your Honor. I saw him
01:10:31.120in the deliberation room with his cell phone.
01:32:13.140How does she get a $600,000 grant?1.00
01:32:15.320um how does she you know continue this public persona how does she do this and there's that
01:32:20.920moment where she talks about how her uh her daughter um was failing at math and she you know
01:32:28.040she it was math was her favorite subject and the reason it was her favorite subject is because she
01:32:34.200believed she was good at it and she was getting good grades because the teachers couldn't care
01:32:40.640less whether she was doing the math program problem right or not they were lying to this
01:32:45.980poor kid like almost like a a parent of a bad singer on american idol telling them hey no you're
01:32:52.280actually really really good at this and then they got on stage and embarrassed themselves and it's
01:32:55.980like that's crushing this poor girl just wanted to be good at math and thought she was and because
01:33:01.600of the decision her mom made put her in this like you know uh spiral really where now i'm sure these
01:33:08.000conversations as she's presenting them happened but god only knows i'm sure they weren't very
01:33:11.840pleasant uh you know so now she's hurt her own family she's hurt her daughter's development0.83
01:33:16.100all to stick to this thing that i think most people who say it know is a lie she apparently
01:33:21.980didn't uh that these schools are good and you could actually get through them and there's all
01:33:25.620these inequality problems look there's all sorts of inequality all over the world i you know one
01:33:29.920of the reasons i show up to work every day megan is to pay for a school tuition for my children who
01:33:34.560go to what i think is a really good school uh that i think is better than what is around me
01:33:39.480which is our very good public schools uh and i do that because faith is involved in it and i think
01:33:43.780that's a really good thing and i'm glad we're able to do that not everybody can i'm glad there's
01:33:47.980school choice programs that are making it accessible for many more people today thank god
01:33:51.820one of the good things that came out of covid is that um but like i'm not like i the one of the
01:33:57.940reasons i show up to work every day is to make my kids life better not to try to not to try to prove
01:34:03.000my points by ruining their lives. And so this is not someone who should get an award for this.
01:34:08.240This is something to be seen as a real moment of self-reflection. Hopefully it is for her. I don't
01:34:13.880know that she's capable of it, frankly, with the other work that she's done.
01:34:16.440I've got to say this. I don't believe in any of the self-reflective bullshit that she's putting0.99
01:34:24.400in this piece. I'll tell you what Nicole Hannah-Jones is actually thinking about. This is0.99
01:34:28.680my opinion. The kid's 16 now. The daughter's 16, and I believe a junior. And when you are a 16-year-old
01:34:36.000junior, you are starting to think about college. And I will venture a guess, she's not at the top
01:34:42.540of her class at this new school. And I'll bet she's probably not doing so well on the practice
01:34:48.820SATs, given the fact that she wasn't learning math for her entire education, thanks to her mother.
01:34:55.300And I guarantee you, Nicole Hannah-Jones is trying to very publicly grease the path into whatever vaunted university she wants her daughter to go to, because all bets are off when we get there, and just telegraph to everybody these terrible scores and these terrible grades are her mother's fault, not hers.
01:35:17.200and you should know that part of her story is she too is full of virtue she went to these schools
01:35:25.040because we were trying to improve them so those d's she's getting at the tougher school are really
01:35:32.400ethical a's and that's how you should be looking at knowledge transcript i'm telling nicole hannah0.95
01:35:38.540jones is a bad person she's a total liar read her piece about charlie kirk it's a disgusting1.00
01:35:46.400filthy, defamatory smear. She smeared him in his grave. She didn't give a shit what that would do1.00
01:35:54.200to his legacy, his children, his wife. She enjoys heaping pain on white people who are conservative.1.00
01:36:02.120She's a bad person. So I don't believe this. For one second, she's had a come to Jesus moment.0.99
01:36:07.820She's greasing the wheels for her now uneducated daughter to sail right into whatever university
01:36:13.900of choice she and the husband went to that's what she's doing and you know what the sad part about
01:36:19.380all this megan is you know who's going to buy that argument 98 of universities around the country
01:36:24.820she will get into any school that she wants i mean she will get into any school that she wants
01:36:30.620it will work like an absolute charm you know why it's similar to what you were saying about the
01:36:36.060juror earlier they're all going to be terrified to reject this kid they if it god forbid you do
01:36:42.880You say, you know what, your 18 score on the PSATs isn't high enough to get into our university.
01:36:49.060You know, like, what's going to happen?
01:36:51.640They're going to be in the New York Times.
01:36:53.900They're all going to be, their university is going to get trashed if they say no to her.
01:36:58.180Every single university in America, with the very few exceptions I could probably name off the top of my head,0.99
01:37:40.740And she's playing the right side of it, at least right now for her.
01:37:44.380The only justice that could possibly emerge from this is if the daughter registers Republican, declares herself a conservative and says she wants to go to Liberty University.
01:37:54.700I mean, if there's any justice in the world, that's what will happen next, that the daughter having been firsthand as an obviously bright kid stuffed into a shitty school and pushed to accomplish nothing by a woke virtue signaling mother who we all know is a nightmare revolts against this whole system of identity politics.0.60
01:38:19.200and no one gives a shit about individualism and it's all about allegedly the collective good0.76
01:38:24.740even though they can't change the collective good group at a time it has to be done on an0.95
01:38:29.380individual basis by demanding excellence and she's not at a place that demanded that of anybody
01:38:34.660and the irony is neither did nicole hannah jones you know you actually could be if you want to go
01:38:40.100tiger mom and be that person who's like all over your kids stuff you can do it but i got newsflash
01:38:46.620the very groups that aren't getting into these universities now the asians those are the ones0.78
01:38:50.740who actually will go tiger they will make sure those kids are getting a's like my friend amy0.95
01:38:56.020chua says if an asian kid ever came home with a b in math well that would never happen that's what0.95
01:39:01.660she says but i was just saying like you so she she threw her to the wolves and then said go ahead1.00
01:39:08.840and devour her she didn't check the homework she didn't make sure she could read she didn't take a1.00
01:39:13.800look at the assignments and at every turn when the child complained, she, she went in, she saw0.96
01:39:19.280more problems and then left her there. Yeah. You know, it's so funny. I thought of that too,
01:39:24.000as I was reading it, like, I don't think that could happen to my kids. I don't think it could
01:39:29.020happen. And I'm not saying this as a point of inequality. I'm saying the points that like,
01:39:33.460I see their homework. Like I would realize they weren't good at math before the school had to
01:39:39.500tell me or the tests had to tell me later on uh in their years like you'd look at it you'd see
01:39:45.540wait a minute no wait a minute you got how did you get an a on this these are all wrong like i
01:39:48.940would have noticed through this period and look i'm sure she's really busy uh got you know getting
01:39:55.160doing her fifty thousand dollar an hour speeches right and i get it you know because capitalism's
01:40:00.660evil you know you know of course uh you know you got to show up for those fifty thousand dollar
01:40:05.140speeches but like any any normal i think parent right any normal parent would notice when their
01:40:12.500kid thought they were proficient and it was their best topic and in reality all of the questions
01:40:17.000were wrong now she did say she asked for these graded papers and they weren't giving them to
01:40:21.620them but like i don't know my experience with my children and every other school right yeah and
01:40:25.040she stayed anyway stayed anyway to prove her little point right to prove her little point
01:40:28.820uh you know it's like it's like some parent being like you know what i believe uh smoking does not
01:40:33.140cause lung cancer. So I'm having my kids smoke over and over and over again. And no matter how
01:40:38.440much evidence you get that smoking causes lung cancer, you just keep popping the Marlboros in1.00
01:40:44.140her mouth. Like this is ridiculous. And you're doing it for your own benefit, which makes it0.99
01:40:49.060worse. And then the nerve to play the racism card. She finally transfers to a good school.
01:40:56.340And in the pages of The New York Times, Nicole Hannah-Jones has to dump on the school by calling them a bunch of racists who allegedly referred to something about her daughter as ghetto, which, by the way, can be said about anybody.
01:41:11.240You know what I mean? Like, I've got certain earrings that people call ghetto, whatever.
01:41:15.660Of course, she's got to go the racist thing, right?0.98
01:41:18.160Like when it didn't work out perfectly and all white schools that are public in New York, the presumption is that they're racist.0.98
01:41:25.560It's the same thing we saw with Sonny Hostin last week when we were making fun of her because she's written these absolutely terrible romance novels still.
01:41:36.100And she was on The View complaining that not one has gotten made into a movie.
01:41:41.320And she said it's because the publishing or because of the Hollywood industry is racist, that they are bigoted against black and brown stories.
01:42:19.400Yeah, I think what you're trying to say is Nicole Hannah-Jones' bravery is really on display for writing this piece, and you're giving her all sorts of plaudits for that. I see what you're saying, Megan. I see what you're saying. Unbelievable.
01:42:31.100I'm sure she'll be on the MK Show soon, soon to do a first-person account. But hats off to the daughter, I will say that. Stu, thank you. A great time. It's great to see you.