The Megyn Kelly Show - Prince Harry Blames the Press, and Golden Globes Attempts Cultural Rehab, with Dan Wootton and Andrew Klavan

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00:00:42.200 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:00:45.080 Happy Thursday.

00:00:46.340 It's Thursday, right?

00:00:47.020 No, it's Wednesday.

00:00:48.480 Who the hell can keep track?

00:00:49.780 I don't know.

00:00:50.260 I love Wednesdays.

00:00:51.680 Can I tell you why?

00:00:52.660 Because our schools are on hour delay every Wednesday.

00:00:55.620 It's like a hangover thing from COVID.

00:00:57.880 And they decided to keep it.

00:00:59.240 And it's so delightful.

00:01:00.640 That's why I'm all discombobulated.

00:01:01.920 Because then I don't know what day it is.

00:01:03.380 Because I was like, I woke up late.

00:01:04.780 Who am I?

00:01:05.720 But it's wonderful.

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00:01:08.500 If your school's not doing it, it's like an extra hour of sleep for everybody involved.

00:01:12.480 And you don't feel like you lost anything.

00:01:14.020 You just get there.

00:01:14.420 You can just get through Monday, Tuesday.

00:01:15.480 You got Wednesday.

00:01:16.140 Then Friday's right around the corner.

00:01:17.260 Boom.

00:01:17.740 Bob's your uncle.

00:01:18.900 Okay.

00:01:19.340 Here's what's in the news today.

00:01:20.740 Prince Harry's book has been out for a day now.

00:01:22.880 We actually took the time to read the whole thing.

00:01:25.000 So you don't have to.

00:01:26.060 Dan Wooten did it, too.

00:01:27.000 He's coming up later with his thoughts.

00:01:28.640 He gets attacked personally by the prince in his memoir.

00:01:33.700 And Dan's got thoughts.

00:01:35.500 But we begin today with the Golden Globes, which took place last night.

00:01:39.440 A Tuesday night for an award show seems like an admission that they knew no one was really

00:01:42.880 going to watch anyway.

00:01:44.020 And they haven't been.

00:01:44.760 Last year, they canceled it for all sorts of reasons.

00:01:46.740 The year before that, it was a record low in ratings.

00:01:49.760 Eddie Murphy was there.

00:01:50.480 He was funny, as always, and the host, Gerard Carmichael.

00:01:54.660 Well, we'll show you.

00:01:56.600 There's no one I'd rather discuss all of these events with than Andrew Clavin.

00:02:00.860 He's a bestselling author, screenwriter, and host of The Andrew Clavin Show.

00:02:05.340 And he's here with us today.

00:02:06.800 Andrew, great to see you.

00:02:07.580 How are you?

00:02:08.560 Good to see you, too, Megan.

00:02:09.500 Happy New Year.

00:02:10.600 And to you.

00:02:11.240 All right.

00:02:11.520 So we'll start with the Golden Globes, and then we'll get to what's happening with the

00:02:13.860 FAA.

00:02:15.080 It was just disaster.

00:02:16.760 But I'm interested in the Golden Globes because it's always sort of a cultural touchstone

00:02:19.920 on where we are after being entirely canceled because they weren't woken up.

00:02:24.560 They didn't have any black people in the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which decides who

00:02:28.240 gets the awards.

00:02:29.700 They were buying off.

00:02:31.220 They were they were being bought off.

00:02:32.560 The people in the Hollywood Foreign Press Association buy various movies and producers

00:02:36.860 for their votes.

00:02:38.280 Shocker.

00:02:38.800 It wasn't actually a legit winning.

00:02:40.380 And now they're back.

00:02:42.140 And supposedly they have solved all their problems.

00:02:45.640 And they hired Gerard Carmichael, who I confess I had never heard of prior to finding out he

00:02:51.780 was hosting last night.

00:02:53.060 And he comes out there with an opening monologue.

00:02:56.020 That really took aim at the fact that he knew very well why they hired him to do this gig.

00:03:03.160 Here's just a bit, a shorter soundbite of Gerard and his opening.

00:03:07.400 I am your host, Gerard Carmichael.

00:03:10.200 And I'll tell you why I'm here.

00:03:13.240 I'm here because I'm black.

00:03:14.660 The Golden Globe Awards did not air last year because the Hollywood Foreign Press Association,

00:03:25.140 which I won't say they were a racist organization, but they didn't have a single black member

00:03:32.900 until George Floyd died.

00:03:35.400 So do with that information what you will.

00:03:37.820 One minute, you're making mint tea at home.

00:03:40.740 The next, you're invited to be the black-faced of an embattled white organization.

00:03:47.560 It's a great opportunity.

00:03:49.160 Thank you for the call.

00:03:50.300 But I'm only being asked to host this, I know, because I'm black.

00:03:54.460 It's not about the money, honestly.

00:03:56.800 It's about the moral question of whether I should allow.

00:04:00.660 And she said, Gerard, enough of all that.

00:04:02.300 How much are they paying you?

00:04:04.120 And I said, $500,000.

00:04:05.900 And she said, boy, if you don't put on a good suit and take them white people money.

00:04:11.960 So, Andrew, I got to say, good for him for just putting it on the line.

00:04:16.240 I'm sure that's true.

00:04:17.880 And I give him credit for not being like, I, you know, they wanted me because I'm so funny

00:04:23.400 and I'm a household name.

00:04:25.320 They he's exactly right.

00:04:26.640 They were trying to check an identity box and rehabilitate themselves.

00:04:30.760 And this is the way it now works, not just in Hollywood, but in America.

00:04:34.240 Yeah, absolutely.

00:04:35.900 I mean, it was I wish he'd been a little funnier.

00:04:38.420 I mean, I was honest, but it would be nice if he had been Ricky Gervais level funny.

00:04:44.680 You know, the thing about this is that, you know, I've worked in Hollywood for a long time.

00:04:49.600 The Hollywood Foreign Press Association is famously a group of drunken, corrupt, you know,

00:04:56.660 layabouts who can easily be bought.

00:04:59.200 And when they were charged with not having any black members, I thought, well, they're

00:05:03.020 going to have to go out and find some drunken, corrupt black people.

00:05:05.480 Because it's one thing to, you know, have different colored faces, but you don't want

00:05:09.280 to, you know, violate the essential nature of the organization.

00:05:13.180 And these awards, they do have an effect on box office.

00:05:17.500 And box office has been so bad this year because of streaming, but also because wokeness

00:05:23.300 has destroyed Hollywood's ability to tell a good story.

00:05:25.980 And so I guess they needed it back.

00:05:29.080 There was really no reason to bring it back.

00:05:30.680 Its ratings are incredibly low.

00:05:32.420 So the whole thing just had a kind of air of desperation when he started out with the

00:05:36.460 monologue.

00:05:37.260 All I could think is this is kind of funereal, you know, it's kind of like we're sitting

00:05:39.940 here in this dead room talking about a dead issue.

00:05:42.680 The entire Hollywood to white thing has been a real disaster.

00:05:47.580 I think it started out with Will Smith's wife complaining because he wasn't nominated for

00:05:52.940 a film called Concussion that nobody saw about football players and their injuries.

00:05:57.580 And nobody cared about this movie.

00:05:59.240 And there was no reason to nominate him for everything.

00:06:01.680 But suddenly this became a big problem that there weren't enough black people winning awards,

00:06:06.700 which wasn't true since 2000.

00:06:08.820 About the same percentage of black people have won Oscars and other awards as are in the country.

00:06:14.980 And so it's actually been quite fair.

00:06:17.020 Hollywood really doesn't care about these things when they're giving the awards.

00:06:20.140 They just want to promote the movies and make the money.

00:06:22.220 And so the whole event has really ruined it in a lot of ways, because now you feel that

00:06:29.400 there are going to be quotas of how many black people have to win awards and how many, you

00:06:34.100 know, purposeful, you know, lecturing, preaching films win awards.

00:06:39.540 And I just feel this has made the entire award system, which was meaningless to begin with.

00:06:43.860 But now it's really meaningless because we don't really think anybody's winning for their

00:06:47.880 efforts or for their abilities.

00:06:49.220 So I just think that Hollywood is shooting itself in the foot.

00:06:52.700 The unions out there have now made it an actual quota system where you have to bring on black

00:06:58.480 writers.

00:06:59.100 I know people who are bringing on black writers onto films where the writers don't do anything,

00:07:03.300 which I feel is humiliating for everybody.

00:07:05.360 But they just want that black face in there.

00:07:07.600 So I think the entire thing has been a kind of disaster.

00:07:10.360 But as you said, quite rightly, Megan, this is happening all over the country.

00:07:14.420 It's this kind of make-believe, I don't know, make-believe justice that has come to

00:07:20.520 pass, you know, to replace the make-believe racism that was pervasive in our society.

00:07:26.160 I don't I think America is the least racist country I've ever been in.

00:07:28.740 And I've traveled quite a lot.

00:07:29.860 And I think that the idea that we have to somehow pay back for our past is just a nonsense.

00:07:34.940 And it really is making it difficult for people to just get along, which, in fact, in real

00:07:39.160 life on the street, they mostly do.

00:07:41.600 Yeah, we're doing it now in our colleges.

00:07:43.560 That's why we had the lawsuit up heard by the U.S.

00:07:46.300 Supreme Court this term.

00:07:47.280 We expect a decision in the spring on whether they can discriminate against, for example,

00:07:52.060 Asians on admissions and yet favor blacks by using race as more than just one factor.

00:07:58.220 It's really the factor.

00:07:59.520 But in any event, it's happening every day.

00:08:02.260 Even there was a story in the week in the news this week about how these colleges now

00:08:06.660 who decided to get rid of the SAT and the ACT during COVID because, I don't know, it just

00:08:12.420 was tough to study or you couldn't get a review class, whatever, now have extended

00:08:17.160 it.

00:08:17.560 Some schools like University of North Carolina through 2025, no ACT, no SAT.

00:08:22.080 And what they're really trying to focus on is improving their number of minority students

00:08:27.340 who they believe don't do that well on standardized testing.

00:08:30.540 But of course, it depends on what minority you are, right?

00:08:32.920 Like Asian.

00:08:33.820 No, that does not count.

00:08:35.240 That's why we have the case.

00:08:36.960 And what happens?

00:08:38.000 You know, like people like Glenn Lowry, you could go up and down the line of scholars who

00:08:43.040 have taken a hard look at affirmative action like this, which is essentially what it is,

00:08:46.200 and said, you wind up embarrassing the black student, the black candidate, and setting

00:08:50.800 them off on a course that they didn't need to be on to succeed in life.

00:08:54.080 If they would just match up with a college that was actually well suited for their actual

00:08:57.780 aptitude, whatever it is, they would do better.

00:09:00.120 They'd probably stay in a science or something other than black studies or gender studies

00:09:04.640 or something that doesn't pay that well when you get out the other end.

00:09:07.160 Um, and yet we feel better about ourselves, like these people in the admissions department

00:09:11.800 for doing this.

00:09:14.100 You know, racism, I've always believed this racism makes people stupid.

00:09:17.680 The minute you start talking about people in terms of race, almost anything that comes

00:09:21.400 out of your mouth next is going to be idiotic.

00:09:23.440 Uh, it's not just the black people who, if they've promoted to a college that they don't

00:09:26.900 deserve to be in are going to be made a loser that, you know, it makes, it turns you

00:09:31.180 into a loser because you're not as smart as everybody around you.

00:09:33.080 It's anybody, anybody who's taken into a college for a reason, other than the fact that he

00:09:37.560 deserves to be there is going to turn out to be not as good as everybody around them.

00:09:41.460 And that's going to make you worse off in your long run life.

00:09:44.640 You know, this thing with the Asians, with keeping Asians out because they work hard,

00:09:49.460 their culture causes them to work hard.

00:09:51.240 They have very high IQs, uh, and I, and they come in and they take over entire universities.

00:09:55.860 So they're trying to keep out.

00:09:56.760 They did the same thing with the Jews when they finally let the Jews in, they said, well, we

00:10:00.680 take some Jews, but not too many, because then we'll have Jews all over the campus.

00:10:03.560 So it's this continual, uh, you know, race against their own hatreds and their own small

00:10:09.840 mindedness.

00:10:10.560 And I have to say the, the thing that Republicans like to point out that this has been endemic

00:10:17.100 in the Democrat party for most of the Democrat party's history is absolutely true.

00:10:22.080 It is an absolutely fair attack.

00:10:24.620 It's the Democrats who were fighting to keep slavery.

00:10:27.100 It's the Democrats who brought in Jim Crow.

00:10:29.620 It's the Democrats who brought in, uh, you know, fought integration, the Dixiecrats,

00:10:33.580 they called them.

00:10:34.660 Uh, I'm just reading a biography of J. Edgar Hoover, the guy, the left hates more than

00:10:38.780 anything.

00:10:39.120 And when FDR wanted to intern all the, uh, Japanese people during the war, Hoover was

00:10:44.560 like, you can't do that.

00:10:45.480 It's un-American.

00:10:46.760 The FDR said, nah, just put them all in, in a concentration camp.

00:10:50.300 The Democrat party has been rife with racism from its beginning.

00:10:53.180 Woodrow Wilson, the first president ever to win, I think a black majority, the first

00:10:57.920 Democrat ever to win a black majority for president was a virulent racist.

00:11:01.480 He was the Obama of his time and they loved him to death.

00:11:04.300 He was a virulent racist.

00:11:05.380 And now all they've done is switch over the racism to white, white people.

00:11:08.660 So it's absolutely all right to go on television and say, this is a problem of whiteness and

00:11:12.700 whiteness has these aspects and whiteness has these qualities.

00:11:15.620 Racism makes you stupid.

00:11:17.400 And it's just, you know, it would be gone, it wouldn't be gone from America because it's

00:11:22.500 never going to be gone from the human heart, but it would be gone from American society

00:11:25.880 if the Democrats just didn't keep using it to get ahead.

00:11:29.080 And it's, it's really frustrating.

00:11:30.680 It ruins everything.

00:11:31.760 It ruins everything that the people could do.

00:11:34.900 It's so true.

00:11:35.700 So you mentioned Will Smith a minute ago.

00:11:37.540 He was, he was not up for anything last night, but, and he's not, I don't know if he's

00:11:41.780 allowed to go to this one.

00:11:42.460 He's, he's banned from the Academy Awards for 10 years, but his name did come up and

00:11:47.680 it actually was pretty funny.

00:11:48.760 Of course, courtesy of Eddie Murphy.

00:11:50.820 Listen to this.

00:11:52.720 There is a, a definitive blueprint that you can follow to achieve success, prosperity,

00:12:03.680 longevity, and peace of mind.

00:12:05.960 There's a blueprint and I followed it my whole career.

00:12:09.660 It's very simple.

00:12:10.580 There's three things you just do these three things, pay your taxes, mind your business,

00:12:20.000 and keep Will Smith's wife's name.

00:12:25.900 It was believed because it had the F-bomb.

00:12:32.080 Good to see humor return to the stage.

00:12:34.640 It is, you know, it is nice.

00:12:38.140 The thing is, the more and more meaningless these, these award ceremonies become, the better

00:12:43.600 they become.

00:12:44.020 Because it used to be, these guys would get up and lecture you about the fact that you

00:12:47.280 voted for the wrong president or you have the wrong politics and they'd make these bold

00:12:51.380 statements as if this was an important moment.

00:12:54.540 It's just the movies.

00:12:55.640 You know, there's nothing about these guys.

00:12:57.140 These guys were blessed with the genetic jackpots.

00:13:00.280 They were blessed with good looks.

00:13:01.600 They were blessed with talent.

00:13:03.180 They can do a thing, which is that they can pretend to be somebody else and speak words

00:13:06.800 that writers wrote for them.

00:13:08.300 They're not important people.

00:13:09.640 And I think it's one of the problems we have in America.

00:13:12.060 You know, leftism thrives wherever it doesn't have to be tested.

00:13:15.600 So Hollywood is a perfect place because it's a place that lives in the imagination.

00:13:19.300 And so you can imagine leftism works there without having to test it against real life.

00:13:23.260 But, you know, one of the real problems with America is there's so much unreality, so much

00:13:28.600 belief in the image of things that we've now gotten to the point where we think we can

00:13:33.100 talk our way out of, you know, realism.

00:13:35.820 We can say, well, if we're just nice to criminals, they won't commit crimes.

00:13:38.840 We can say a man can turn into a woman.

00:13:41.120 I have to tell you, my favorite part of the Golden Globe was in the New York Times the next

00:13:45.680 morning when Billy Porter was on the red carpet and he, an actor, and he wore a dress

00:13:52.460 on the red carpet.

00:13:54.200 And the New York Times just ran it among all the other beautiful women wearing beautiful

00:13:59.080 dresses on the red carpet without comment as if it were nothing.

00:14:02.240 But Porter himself said that he was trying to comment about red carpet fashions and masculinity.

00:14:08.820 And I was thinking, I can't imagine what there is to say about red carpet fashions and masculinity,

00:14:13.800 except that you have to wait for your life to finish watching the red carpet part of the

00:14:17.460 show so you can turn to something else.

00:14:18.900 But I just thought that was beautiful.

00:14:21.600 That now I'm so glad you mentioned this up.

00:14:24.140 We had this big debate on the show with the guys from the fifth column yesterday and they

00:14:28.200 were against me.

00:14:29.400 But I was saying because the New York Times did this long article on dressing.

00:14:33.940 If you're a non-binary person at the office and ran these absurd photos of men, there was

00:14:40.460 a whatever.

00:14:41.320 I assume that these are biological men in little mini skirt dresses with bare legs that have

00:14:48.280 been shaven with little high top white sneakers and little white, low, low, like white socks

00:14:55.380 and their man hair and their man, like in some cases, man beards with women's.

00:15:01.060 I'm like, no, no.

00:15:02.820 You work at my company.

00:15:03.880 You may not dress like that.

00:15:05.040 You can choose a lane.

00:15:06.080 You can be a man who wants to dress like a woman.

00:15:07.840 That's fine.

00:15:08.300 You can be a woman who wants to dress like a man.

00:15:09.920 No problem.

00:15:10.760 You are not coming to my office with a beard and a woman's wig and a woman's dress and

00:15:18.180 your man legs.

00:15:19.560 That's not happening there.

00:15:20.880 I'm not pretending that two genders can exist in the same person at what?

00:15:25.100 No, you can work out your issues on your own time.

00:15:27.060 You can work here, but you can't dress like that because dress codes have been enforced

00:15:30.400 as legal by the Supreme Court.

00:15:33.120 See, this kind of this kind of hateful talk, Megan, I'm just ashamed of you now.

00:15:37.020 I mean, like, you know, today, today, the New York Times ran an article about a trans

00:15:41.260 man who had a baby and he had a baby.

00:15:44.700 And I thought, you know, I don't know.

00:15:46.140 I'm sorry.

00:15:46.540 That just seems inexact language to me.

00:15:48.500 You know, once you give birth, you are a woman, you know, there's a question about

00:15:54.460 it.

00:15:54.740 That's almost, that almost is a defining moment, I think, in womanhood that you give birth.

00:15:58.780 And I think that you just have to take the, take the pronoun.

00:16:01.720 You have to bite on that pronoun.

00:16:02.700 You know, it makes America stupid to not be able to talk about these things in a real

00:16:07.040 way.

00:16:07.640 I mean, it makes you stupid when, when people are afraid that if they say anything, they're

00:16:11.540 going to be called hateful.

00:16:12.540 That if you say, well, actually, you know, I don't think Rachel Levine is a woman and

00:16:16.620 they, they actually excoriate you for that.

00:16:18.980 How can you discuss anything?

00:16:20.280 How can you get people to have to make their points, to make sense, to exhibit some kind

00:16:25.460 of logical thinking?

00:16:26.560 If the minute you say anything, you're deemed hateful, it is making us idiots.

00:16:30.180 It is turning people into idiots.

00:16:31.980 And the only thing that's great about it is the New York times has become a laugh riot.

00:16:35.720 And I think that that's, that's making my life better.

00:16:37.820 They want us to engage in this fiction, right?

00:16:39.380 That like a client wouldn't, wouldn't be uncomfortable walking in to see the guy in the miniskirt

00:16:45.000 with his, you know, man appearance, like bullshit.

00:16:48.820 Most normal people would be like, wow.

00:16:50.720 Okay.

00:16:50.960 That's a lot.

00:16:51.620 I like you do you and your private life, but I don't want to have to think about this

00:16:54.520 while I'm just trying to get like my, my pens at the pharmacy.

00:16:58.120 Um, but in any event, you're right.

00:17:00.340 Billy Porter does it.

00:17:01.320 Harry Styles does it.

00:17:02.460 The golden globes would be celebrating it.

00:17:04.460 Of course, at every turn, I will say there was this weird moment where it was kind of

00:17:09.340 interesting though, where the host Gerard Carmichael made a joke about Tom Cruise.

00:17:14.700 Now there's a history here.

00:17:15.980 So first of all, Maverick, you know, Top Gun Maverick was nominated for like two awards.

00:17:21.860 It didn't get any.

00:17:22.900 I mean, I never heard of these movies that won the awards, but of course Maverick didn't get

00:17:26.400 any because it was anti-woke.

00:17:28.480 So it can't be honored by the, the, this group, which is bending over backwards to prove how

00:17:33.160 woke it is now that, you know, after all the years of not having a single black member,

00:17:36.260 okay, now we're super woke.

00:17:37.700 So we're not going to give Top Gun any awards.

00:17:40.420 Nevermind Tom Cruise.

00:17:41.620 Well, Tom Cruise during the whole kerfuffle about the Hollywood foreign press and how it's

00:17:46.780 like, you know, golden globe.

00:17:47.980 So white, he sent back the three, the three golden globes that he had won.

00:17:53.440 Like you're disgusting.

00:17:54.740 Here are my, here are my awards.

00:17:56.220 I think it was his golden globes.

00:17:57.420 He sent back and Gerard Carmichael made a joke about it.

00:18:01.580 I'm interested in your reaction to this.

00:18:03.660 Listen to us.

00:18:04.040 Thought seven.

00:18:06.620 Backstage.

00:18:07.020 I found these, uh, three golden globe awards that Tom Cruise returned.

00:18:16.880 Look, I'm just the host briefly or whatever, but I have a pitch.

00:18:21.440 I think maybe we take these three things and exchange them for the safe return of Shelly

00:18:28.440 Miscavige.

00:18:33.440 Oh, so it's a Scientology reference.

00:18:35.920 The head of Scientology is no longer L. Ron Hubbard.

00:18:38.640 He died.

00:18:39.080 Now it's David Miscavige.

00:18:40.520 And it is true.

00:18:41.720 David Miscavige's wife has been weirdly missing for quite some time.

00:18:45.360 We don't know where she is.

00:18:46.180 People like Leah Remini and Mike Rinder have been asking all sorts of questions about this.

00:18:50.440 Scientology, of course, is like, you know, they, they don't let any information out that

00:18:53.920 they don't want out.

00:18:54.740 So it's a good question, but I don't think it's a coincidence.

00:18:57.540 Tom Cruise was a fair target last night.

00:19:01.520 It's a really good point.

00:19:02.760 Scientology is a cult.

00:19:04.420 I think it is a very, it is a dangerous thing.

00:19:06.820 They've infested all the acting schools in LA.

00:19:09.200 So anybody who's really coming into the industry, uh, gets at least solicited by them.

00:19:14.640 Uh, and I, I think that they're bad news, but they've worked for, uh, Tom Cruise.

00:19:19.800 And the interesting thing about Tom Cruise is if you went and saw, um, Top Gun 2, you

00:19:25.040 know, it's a, it's a fun doping movie and it made about a billion dollars in 10 minutes.

00:19:29.820 It was a huge, huge hit because it wasn't woke.

00:19:32.800 It was about competence.

00:19:34.220 It was about America.

00:19:35.100 It was about men being men and women being women.

00:19:37.080 And it was just a pleasure to watch all the way through.

00:19:40.680 But the interesting thing as I was watching that film, as I was watching Tom Cruise and

00:19:44.540 it's not, it's not the smartest movie in the world.

00:19:48.400 It's very cliched.

00:19:49.740 A lot of, you know, kind of recycled dialogue.

00:19:53.060 Cruise really showed up.

00:19:54.700 He showed up and he played every scene as if it mattered.

00:19:57.400 He played every scene as if he meant it and he cared about it.

00:20:00.360 He did the stunts himself, which is insane.

00:20:02.580 I mean, the insurance they must pay on him must be out of this world.

00:20:05.800 He flies helicopters off cliffs.

00:20:07.340 He does anything he, uh, he has to do.

00:20:09.920 You got to give that credit to a guy who is the heart of the, and soul of the industry.

00:20:15.440 So you want to make jokes about Scientology?

00:20:17.480 That's absolutely fine with me, but he's a lot more important than the Golden Globe Awards.

00:20:21.640 The Golden Globe Awards could disappear tomorrow and nobody would care.

00:20:24.840 If Tom Cruise stopped making money, the movie industry would go broke because he could actually

00:20:31.260 make money.

00:20:31.700 He became fair game because he made that movie.

00:20:34.600 It's directly tied.

00:20:35.800 If he hadn't done Top Gun Maverick this year, which was anti-woke, which showed up to China,

00:20:40.100 which wouldn't back down on some of their demands being made by the Chinese who, you

00:20:44.100 know, run Hollywood now, uh, it would have been a different story.

00:20:47.020 But now because he did all that, they're somehow associating him with like being a Republican

00:20:51.400 or at least being anti-woke.

00:20:53.160 And therefore he's fair game for the Golden Globes ripping.

00:20:57.300 Um, otherwise he would have been treated like the Hollywood royalty he's been.

00:21:00.660 Go ahead, Andrew.

00:21:01.700 You know, you know, this is, this is a really interesting thing because you're talking about

00:21:05.000 the fact that Hollywood had a terrible, terrible year and they blame it all on streaming.

00:21:08.940 But one of the biggest shows last year on television, one of the biggest stream shows

00:21:12.180 on television was The Terminalist based on Jack Carr's book.

00:21:14.700 Uh, just an absolutely terrific action film with men, manly men and, you know, kind of pro-military

00:21:21.240 or at least pro the military culture, uh, lots of guns and very exciting.

00:21:26.380 Rick Carr is a good writer and he writes, you know, he writes in my genre.

00:21:29.840 I know, I know a good writer.

00:21:31.100 When I see one, he is, uh, he plots well and the thing was plotted.

00:21:34.600 Well, well acted, well done.

00:21:35.800 You go on Rotten Tomatoes, it gets something like a 95% from the viewing audience.

00:21:41.400 95% of the viewing artists loved it.

00:21:43.120 And it was a massive hit.

00:21:44.440 It gets about a 36 or a 38% from the film critics.

00:21:48.420 These guys are now, by the way, and a film critic's job is to tell you whether you like

00:21:52.080 the film or not.

00:21:52.820 Not whether he likes the film.

00:21:54.180 It's to tell you whether you'll like the film.

00:21:55.740 So they're not even doing their jobs, but they are so detached from most of America and

00:22:02.140 most of the reasons we go to the movies.

00:22:04.320 And part of this is because the movies are a dying, uh, art form.

00:22:07.820 And when an art form dies, it does detach from the people and becomes very intellectualized.

00:22:12.000 And that's what's happening to the movies.

00:22:13.460 But the industry, the infrastructure of the industry, the, the part that it was, it used

00:22:19.300 to be used to bring people in and to protect the stars from us finding out how bad they

00:22:23.840 really were, all of that has collapsed because of wokeness.

00:22:27.800 And now they're talking to us and we don't like them anymore.

00:22:30.720 And I think that's really important, you know, that they don't like us and we don't

00:22:33.940 like them.

00:22:34.440 And I don't think you can run a popular industry on that basis.

00:22:37.860 If you're not making Top Gun, if you're not making the terminal list, if you're not

00:22:41.260 making movies that at least reflect something like our values and like the values of most

00:22:45.420 of the people in the country, indeed, most of the people who weren't insane in the

00:22:48.740 world, if you're not making movies that talk to those values, why should anybody

00:22:52.260 go and see them, I don't care how many award shows you have, eventually you'll be giving

00:22:56.120 rewards to yourself and nobody will be watching because nobody's watching the movies and the

00:22:59.820 industry will just disappear.

00:23:02.220 A great opportunity, by the way, for conservatives to start building their own industry and making

00:23:06.740 their own movies.

00:23:07.740 But I don't know if there's enough to do it.

00:23:09.860 Well, no, this is, I was dying to talk to you about this because, and just to remind our

00:23:13.620 audience, you are, before you became a very famous podcaster and member of the Daily

00:23:18.320 Wire team, you continue to, but you started off as a writer and a screenwriter and including

00:23:25.000 either wrote the book that turned into a film or a screenplay is connected with true crime

00:23:29.520 with Clint Eastwood, shock to the system with Michael Caine, don't say a word with Michael

00:23:33.240 Douglas, I could go on.

00:23:34.360 So you know of what you speak.

00:23:36.020 So the other thing they're doing is closer to my lane, which is like journalism, but theirs

00:23:42.560 is fake journalism.

00:23:43.660 So, and I don't mean just fake news that we see, I'm talking about these sort of limited

00:23:47.900 series, docu-series, docu-mentaries, and I'm using air quotes for the listening audience

00:23:53.880 that aren't, that are nothing of the kind, you know, from Finding Neverland, which focused

00:24:00.220 on the Michael Jackson situation with young boys and it had two accusers come forward with

00:24:05.420 stories that had so many holes in them that were not, that were not called to the audience's

00:24:09.560 attention.

00:24:09.920 And then Oprah came on to sort of bless the whole thing at the end for on HBO, like,

00:24:14.400 oh, how bad was it?

00:24:15.320 Right.

00:24:15.520 And without pointing out any of the problems with these two young men's stories to even

00:24:19.900 the Dylan Farrow thing against Woody Allen, I could go into that to the most latest, the

00:24:26.520 most recent example, which is the Harry and Meghan doc quote, quote unquote documentary on

00:24:30.560 Netflix, which has had so many journalistic fall downs.

00:24:35.020 I mean, I could go through them all, but they call it a documentary.

00:24:38.400 You want to call it like a dramatization of somebody's life or like just their story,

00:24:42.980 you know, like from their perspective.

00:24:44.360 OK, but it's not a documentary if it's not fact based and if you're not pointing out the

00:24:48.480 full story.

00:24:49.800 So the reason I want to bring it up with you is because, yes, your history, but also my

00:24:52.980 husband's got a podcast called Dedicated with Doug Brunt.

00:24:55.100 He's an author and he's been interviewed.

00:24:56.820 In fact, you should go on that show.

00:24:58.040 Now that I think about it, he interviews successful authors about writing and their process and

00:25:04.060 their biggest successes.

00:25:05.680 Yesterday, he had on Craig Mazin.

00:25:07.720 Craig Mazin won three Emmy Awards and wrote Chernobyl, which was a docuseries for HBO.

00:25:14.360 And they got into this.

00:25:16.140 And here's what he said about the Harry and Meghan documentary and where we are now on some

00:25:20.540 of these documentaries or quote unquote docuseries.

00:25:23.300 Listen to this.

00:25:25.560 On the TV side, there's a real spectrum, a wide spectrum of responsibility, like journalistic

00:25:30.880 responsibility with film.

00:25:33.920 There's a high level of respect and sort of accuracy and that.

00:25:38.740 But, you know, on the flip side, like the Harry and Meghan thing where they were using images

00:25:44.200 from crowd shots that were not they weren't even there.

00:25:47.180 There was just a lot of sort of deception involved with that.

00:25:49.360 Well, that's the reality TVification of of content.

00:25:58.840 People feel like, well, there's this genre that uses the word reality that has nothing

00:26:04.540 to do with reality is it is basically professional wrestling.

00:26:09.360 I think it's presented as reality, but everybody's winking to each other because, of course, it's

00:26:13.960 not.

00:26:15.160 And so they don't have a problem showing one thing or another and faking it all.

00:26:20.540 And people do this in, you know, I can't how many times they've caught political campaigns

00:26:26.960 showing pictures of real people with their real thoughts.

00:26:29.600 And someone's like, that's a stock photo.

00:26:31.340 It's not even a person.

00:26:32.300 So that's Craig Mazin saying on Dedicated with Doug Brunt that the Harry and Meghan documentary

00:26:38.020 is essentially professional wrestling.

00:26:39.740 And so many of these documentaries are.

00:26:41.320 But the consumer, Andrew, doesn't know that.

00:26:45.980 You know, this wouldn't be a problem, Megan, if if the experts and the authorities and the

00:26:51.200 media were not as self corrupt.

00:26:53.280 If The New York Times were still a newspaper and you could turn to The New York Times and

00:26:57.140 find the facts, then it wouldn't bother me that they were making unfactual documentaries.

00:27:01.620 If ABC and NBC and CBS had not become handmaidens of the big state, it would be fine with me

00:27:10.780 if they occasionally played silly documentaries and reality TV that had nothing to do with

00:27:15.100 reality.

00:27:15.720 The problem we have is that we're in an information crisis that because of the Internet, because

00:27:19.900 of the the amount of information that's coming in, because of the threat that poses to people

00:27:24.820 in power and the fact that people in power have become corrupt and dishonest, trying to stem

00:27:29.700 that threat, trying to keep control of their power while their power is undermined by the

00:27:34.200 spread of information.

00:27:35.320 We don't don't know where to turn.

00:27:37.060 And it becomes very, very hard to tell reality from fantasy.

00:27:40.360 The other day, I watched the entire Netflix series, Ancient Apocalypse, which is Graham Hancock,

00:27:45.900 a journalist who has this theory about the ancient peoples and how some great kind of Atlantis

00:27:53.200 like civilization existed before the Ice Age.

00:27:56.900 And it's a kind of a cockamamie theory.

00:27:59.040 But there's some there was some interesting stuff.

00:28:00.880 And most of it was really fast and loose.

00:28:03.080 But instead of coming out and saying, here is why we archaeologists think this is wrong.

00:28:09.660 They called Hancock a white supremacist, which he's not.

00:28:13.000 They accused him of attacking indigenous people, which he didn't.

00:28:16.640 And they were absolutely furious that he insulted archaeologists, whereas that's actually not

00:28:22.800 a crime.

00:28:23.400 You know, you can insult anybody you want to.

00:28:26.080 And they basically responded in the same at the same level as he was putting forward his

00:28:32.240 theory.

00:28:32.600 He was very fast and loose with this theory, but he put it forward.

00:28:35.380 And, you know, you can attack it.

00:28:36.540 You could disprove it.

00:28:37.340 But they didn't.

00:28:38.280 They basically called them names.

00:28:40.620 And so when you can't trust the archaeologists to give you archaeology straight, then how do you

00:28:46.120 know whether Graham Hancock is making up what he's making up or not?

00:28:49.720 If you can't trust the CDC to not suppress information on Twitter, then how do you know

00:28:56.400 when somebody else comes along and says, well, the vaccine will kill you like that?

00:29:00.280 How do you know he's not telling the truth?

00:29:02.000 So because in protecting their power, the authorities have decided that it's OK to lie, it's OK to

00:29:09.440 suppress nude, it's OK to suppress, you know, Hunter Biden's laptop and tell people it's

00:29:15.700 Russian misinformation because of that.

00:29:18.240 We have no one to trust.

00:29:19.420 And when you have no one to trust, you're going to trust the people who agree with you

00:29:22.580 more.

00:29:22.920 You're going to go with the confirmation bias.

00:29:24.880 That's the issue.

00:29:25.720 It's really not the issue that Hollywood is full of malarkey.

00:29:28.980 Hollywood is supposed to be full of malarkey.

00:29:30.760 That's their job.

00:29:31.740 It's the problem that we cannot trust the news media and the authorities to tell us the

00:29:36.240 truth.

00:29:36.660 So we can't tell their malarkey from Hollywood's malarkey.

00:29:40.140 So well said.

00:29:41.960 All right.

00:29:42.120 Well, somebody might think listening to this conversation that we're talking about leftists

00:29:45.820 who don't care at all about discrimination against Asians or anything that upsets the

00:29:51.020 Asian community, you know, based on the Supreme Court laws.

00:29:53.380 You would be wrong.

00:29:54.640 Gwen Stefani is in the news and we'll explain how those two things are related right after

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00:30:31.200 Gwen Stefani is now in trouble with some on the woke left because she gave an interview

00:30:41.120 to a very young reporter at Allure magazine.

00:30:45.080 And in the article, the author of the piece, who says she is, I believe, Filipina, says that

00:30:56.340 Gwen committed the sin of cultural appropriation.

00:31:00.640 That Gwen apparently a couple of years ago went through a phase that the author refers to

00:31:06.080 is for she said first she went through a pop punk Stefani with baby blue hair.

00:31:09.960 Then there was ska era Stefani with platinum blonde hair, a bikini top and cargo pants.

00:31:14.140 And then there was Harajuku Stefani, Harajuku apparently being a district in Tokyo.

00:31:18.940 And she says that she had launched this line of perfume not long ago that was taking inspiration

00:31:26.500 from Japan's Harajuku subculture for its visuals and marketing.

00:31:30.160 OK, so so far, she's not ripping her.

00:31:33.880 She's like, you know, I loved it.

00:31:35.080 I thought it was really great.

00:31:36.040 But then I never really spent a lot of time thinking about the fact that it was a white

00:31:39.740 woman behind this Asian representation.

00:31:41.940 As an adult, though, I'm coming to examine it and I have not been alone.

00:31:46.460 Then she gets into it.

00:31:47.560 She thinks that was cultural appropriation.

00:31:49.580 And then Gwen, when asked about it, tries to explain why she fell in love with this region

00:31:54.940 and this culture and so on and says that was my Japanese influence.

00:31:58.860 That was a culture that was so rich with traditions, yet so futuristic, with so much attention to

00:32:02.940 art and detail and discipline.

00:32:04.180 It was fascinating to me.

00:32:05.740 Explain how her father, who's Italian-American, would return after going there with stories

00:32:09.360 of street performances and so on.

00:32:11.380 And she finally got to go herself as an adult.

00:32:13.940 Stefani, quote, I said, my God, I'm Japanese and I didn't know it.

00:32:19.640 Stefani, quote, I am, you know.

00:32:22.480 And she goes on to say, if people are going to criticize me for being a fan of something beautiful

00:32:25.740 and sharing that, that just doesn't feel right.

00:32:27.740 It should be OK to be inspired by other cultures, because if we're not allowed, then that's

00:32:31.880 dividing people, right?

00:32:34.260 And this author goes on to say, look, I'm not Japanese either, but I am an Asian woman

00:32:39.680 living in America, which comes with sobering realities, goes on to discuss all the sobering

00:32:45.920 realities.

00:32:46.500 She's been called racial slurs.

00:32:47.860 You know, get over it.

00:32:48.640 We've all been called terrible names.

00:32:50.100 All of us, even white guys like Clavin.

00:32:52.440 They all have.

00:32:53.040 But of course, she's got to lean into.

00:32:55.660 All right.

00:32:56.340 So now there's a whole thing about whether Gwen Stefani has really stepped over the line

00:33:01.020 by saying I am Japanese.

00:33:03.180 No problem for Gwen Stefani to come out tomorrow and say, I'm a man.

00:33:07.600 I'm a man.

00:33:09.280 She could say it.

00:33:10.220 No problem.

00:33:11.220 But I am Japanese has caused the people at Allure to tsk, tsk her with all these experts

00:33:17.220 weighing in saying she's culturally appropriated again.

00:33:20.200 And they're angry.

00:33:21.400 What do you make of it?

00:33:22.420 Well, it's hilarious.

00:33:23.980 I mean, first, just taking her at her word, what she was saying made perfect sense.

00:33:27.760 She went to this district in Tokyo that's famous for its street performances and people

00:33:31.780 dressing up.

00:33:32.420 And she's obviously someone who performs and dressing up.

00:33:35.020 So she said, oh, they're me.

00:33:36.740 I'm Japanese.

00:33:37.800 Like me reading romantic poetry and thinking, oh, I'm a romantic.

00:33:40.880 I get it now.

00:33:41.540 This is where I belong.

00:33:42.860 It's a perfectly rational thing to do.

00:33:44.920 However, however, it's very hard to pinpoint what is the stupidest aspect of leftism, but

00:33:50.360 cultural appropriation comes very close to winning the prize.

00:33:54.100 Cultural appropriation is one of the greatest things about America and one of the most healthy

00:33:59.220 things about our mixing in the world.

00:34:01.920 You know, when you come to America, if you come legally, our feeling is bring your food,

00:34:07.160 leave the tyranny.

00:34:08.120 You know, you want to come from Mexico legally, bring the burrito, leave the cartels.

00:34:12.860 That's like, that is absolutely a great thing about America.

00:34:16.280 It is what makes America so great.

00:34:19.000 And what makes, it's the only argument there is for having a multi-ethnic country.

00:34:23.740 A multi-ethnic country is very difficult.

00:34:25.640 No one has done it since Rome.

00:34:27.380 And it really brought the Roman Republic down in a lot of ways.

00:34:30.960 I'm talking about ancient Rome, I'm talking about now Rome.

00:34:33.660 So nobody's done this in a long time.

00:34:35.080 This is a big experiment and it might well fail.

00:34:37.880 We don't know.

00:34:38.540 However, if there's one reason to have a multi-ethnic country, it's cultural appropriation.

00:34:44.180 And so we get all the good stuff and leave the bad stuff out by having an American culture

00:34:48.540 of freedom and individual freedom and free speech and, you know, limited power of government

00:34:53.260 and all those things that people come here for and the capitalism.

00:34:56.420 But they bring with them things that are beautiful, you know, their clothes, their styles, their

00:35:01.800 fashions, their food.

00:35:03.060 And if we want to take those and make them part of our clothes and our styles and our

00:35:06.320 fashion and our food, great.

00:35:08.080 That's a great reason to have a multi-ethnic country.

00:35:10.520 I think it's a beautiful thing.

00:35:11.680 I think it's one of the best things about America.

00:35:13.640 And it really is the only thing that makes a multi-ethnic country worthwhile.

00:35:19.180 So the left's idea is this.

00:35:21.340 When Donald Trump comes along and says, make America great again, everybody says, oh, that's

00:35:24.800 nationalism, that's terrible.

00:35:26.340 He's Hitler.

00:35:27.460 But when a Filipino woman says you can't steal, you know, Japanese culture because I'm Asian

00:35:34.120 and they're Asian and something, something, something, that suddenly is okay nationalism.

00:35:38.820 So it really is only against the West.

00:35:40.780 It's only against America.

00:35:42.580 So it's really anti-Americanism hiding away in this and yet another shocked moral outrage

00:35:49.720 that the left has invented.

00:35:50.920 But cultural, we shouldn't, we shouldn't like make excuses for cultural appropriation.

00:35:55.560 It is one of the best things about us.

00:35:57.500 It's not, it's not a bad thing.

00:35:59.460 Like, you know, you could, you could say if the left is fighting racism, you could say

00:36:03.260 they're fighting it the wrong way, but racism is a bad thing.

00:36:06.080 But cultural appropriation is a great thing.

00:36:08.100 It's a positive.

00:36:09.200 It's ridiculous.

00:36:10.140 Honestly, it's like you, somebody made a piece saying like big hoop earrings.

00:36:14.780 Now that's cultural appropriation of the Latinx community.

00:36:18.580 By the way, Sarah Huckabee Sanders in the news today for, for banning any government

00:36:22.160 document now in Arkansas that uses Latinx.

00:36:24.560 Go, Sarah, go, go, go, go.

00:36:26.500 In any event, um, but the earrings, I remember taking my kids down with my husband and my family.

00:36:31.740 We were in the Bahamas and back when I was at the first in the Bahamas and you know, it's

00:36:35.760 like 1987, you get the braids.

00:36:38.820 Like the braids was what everybody wanted to do.

00:36:40.760 And the Bahamian women love to give you the braids.

00:36:43.460 You'd pay them.

00:36:44.080 And it was a way of sharing cultures.

00:36:46.400 Now it's like, oh my God.

00:36:47.440 I was like, I don't think I can get the braids in my daughter.

00:36:49.660 I think it's like, maybe she can have two.

00:36:51.080 She can have like two, maybe the otherwise going to turn into a national news story.

00:36:54.600 What am I doing this stupid?

00:36:56.420 In any event, uh, Gwen Stefani clearly didn't try to misrepresent that she's in fact Japanese.

00:37:02.260 She was saying in her, obviously the implication was in my soul.

00:37:05.840 I connected with these people and their culture and how beautiful it was.

00:37:10.280 That is a compliment.

00:37:11.420 You dumb ass allure writer.

00:37:13.520 It is not a Hilaria Baldwin situation, right?

00:37:16.700 It's like she claims she's in Spain and she's not.

00:37:21.000 Anyway, I think it's funny.

00:37:22.600 Another celebrity in the news today on something that got a lot of attention online yesterday.

00:37:27.100 It is a slow news week, but I'll say that is Ellen DeGeneres, who thinks that the reason

00:37:31.820 they're having all these rains and floods in California is we haven't been kind to mother

00:37:36.360 nature.

00:37:37.080 It's once again, clearly back to, we got to get greener.

00:37:40.760 We got to think about climate change.

00:37:42.500 One of those lectures.

00:37:43.380 Here's a little bit of it.

00:37:44.200 Uh, such well.

00:37:46.320 This is crazy.

00:37:48.100 On the five year anniversary, you're having unprecedented rain.

00:37:52.160 This creep next to our house never flows, ever.

00:37:56.940 Probably about nine feet up and you've been going on a two feet up.

00:38:00.120 Yeah, fortunately, we have to be nice to the mother nature because mother nature is not

00:38:08.200 happy with us.

00:38:10.140 Let's all do our part.

00:38:11.760 Stay safe, everybody.

00:38:14.560 She was fine until that last two lines.

00:38:17.260 We need to be nicer to mother nature, because mother nature is clearly enough.

00:38:20.440 That's all do our part.

00:38:21.340 Now, can I just I'll give you a couple facts from Michael Schellenberger, who's the go-to

00:38:24.920 on anything relating to climate, a former hardcore liberal who worked for Solyndra, worked for

00:38:31.720 the Obama administration and then actually started finding facts that proved this stuff

00:38:35.800 doesn't work very well.

00:38:37.000 And we need to get real about what does big proponent of nuclear and other things.

00:38:40.280 In any event, according to Schellenberger, the data show the number of climate related

00:38:44.000 disasters actually declined over the last 20 years by about 10 percent.

00:38:47.680 Um, there has been a 92 percent decline of, uh, in the decades death toll from natural

00:38:54.140 disasters since this peak in the 1920s.

00:38:56.340 In that decade, 5.4 million people died of natural disasters.

00:38:59.800 In the 2010s, it was 400,000, 400 that we went down by 5 million in terms of deaths from

00:39:06.540 natural disasters.

00:39:07.300 So we're doing something right.

00:39:08.740 The 92 percent decline in deaths over the last century occurred during a period when the global

00:39:12.420 population nearly quadrupled and the global temperature rose 1.3 degrees centigrade.

00:39:17.980 In other words, hurricanes, floods and other natural disasters resulting from extreme events

00:39:22.440 are not getting worse.

00:39:24.820 They're getting better, much better.

00:39:27.440 And deaths from natural disasters are at their lowest point in 120 years.

00:39:33.800 Ellen, which a simple Google search might have told you before you decided to add that little

00:39:39.500 warning at the end of your bit.

00:39:41.800 Here's something even worse.

00:39:45.340 One of the reasons the death toll has gone down so much is not because the storms have changed.

00:39:49.980 It's because we've gotten so much richer and we're so much more able to build protections

00:39:54.380 and build cities in ways that don't get destroyed the way they used to.

00:39:58.280 That's because of capitalism and because of fossil fuels.

00:40:01.400 So in other words, fossil fuels are actually making the world safer in the event.

00:40:06.840 Yes, in the event of climate disasters.

00:40:08.960 I'm glad to see that paganism is making a return, however, that we have to make sacrifices to

00:40:14.560 Mother Nature because at least now Hollywood will have some religion.

00:40:18.360 You know, my first thought when I saw this was that this was God finally responding to

00:40:24.340 Hollywood's sinfulness.

00:40:25.420 And I was wondering when they built an ark, how would they know whether the animals identified

00:40:29.080 as male or female when they were trying to rebuild the world?

00:40:31.920 You know, I lived in Montecito for many years.

00:40:38.980 Many of my friends are are being evacuated.

00:40:41.840 I don't want to make fun of a storm that is actually killing people.

00:40:44.960 But, you know, storms happen.

00:40:47.060 Weather happens.

00:40:47.780 Mother Nature can wipe us off this planet in a flick of an eye.

00:40:51.360 You know, she is all powerful.

00:40:52.760 She can take us away anytime she wants.

00:40:54.760 But these are the things that happen.

00:40:55.980 They happen a lot in California.

00:40:57.160 It goes right over a major fault.

00:40:59.300 So there's going to be earthquakes.

00:41:00.300 It's a desert.

00:41:01.200 So there's going to be extremes of weather.

00:41:03.720 You know, it is just the way things are.

00:41:05.560 And this is, again, how we become stupid, because if you question climate emergency alarmism,

00:41:12.200 if you question that, you're a denier as if you had denied the reality of the Holocaust,

00:41:16.900 the most well-documented atrocity in human history.

00:41:19.700 So by denying something documented from the past is being equated with denying a computer

00:41:25.680 projection of what might happen under certain circumstances.

00:41:29.420 That, again, makes you stupid because you can't have a conversation about anything without

00:41:33.440 being compared to some of the worst people on Earth.

00:41:36.100 And it really is ridiculous.

00:41:37.720 And it's like stay in your lane, Ellen.

00:41:39.420 It makes people like Ellen stupid, you know.

00:41:41.080 You know how to make jokes.

00:41:42.180 That's your thing.

00:41:42.920 OK, stop lecturing us on the environment.

00:41:44.980 That's stay in your damn lane.

00:41:46.280 OK, let's talk about what's happening in the FAA this morning, because that was pretty

00:41:50.500 shocking.

00:41:51.340 You wake up to a news alert saying all domestic travel.

00:41:54.020 I mean, it was all travel, all planes trying to get out of the United States had been grounded

00:41:57.300 first time since 9-11.

00:41:58.980 That's happened because of some computer malfunction.

00:42:03.500 It's back up now.

00:42:04.780 But there are people and they're saying we don't know what caused it, but we're going to

00:42:08.360 investigate.

00:42:08.800 We expect to know soon.

00:42:10.320 They did say we don't believe it was hacking, although I don't know how they could know that

00:42:15.120 so quickly.

00:42:15.560 OK, so we'll we'll find out.

00:42:18.040 But now some airline experts are weighing in, saying this is squarely the fault of

00:42:22.760 Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

00:42:25.040 They're saying there's no excuse.

00:42:26.320 One guy was on earlier today, airline industry expert, saying there's no excuse for the failure

00:42:31.280 that that is the latest in a string of embarrassing transport headaches since Buttigieg took office.

00:42:38.200 Michael Boyd, chairman of the Boyd Group, an aviation research company, telling CNBC the

00:42:41.840 FAA has fallen off the trolley in terms of keeping up their system.

00:42:44.960 There is no excuse and that, you know, we really need to keep our eye on things like the FAA

00:42:52.640 and its computer systems and so on, instead of dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:42:57.260 into woke scholarships.

00:42:59.260 And I don't know what else we're wasting money on.

00:43:01.560 We could be here all day if we listed it.

00:43:03.240 But it is kind of disturbing to think the FAA is not, you know, this pencil is not as sharp as it needs to be.

00:43:09.140 Yeah, I mean, you know, Pete Buttigieg obviously doesn't make the planes run on time.

00:43:12.860 That's not, you know, it's his job to oversee these things, but he's not a hands on guy.

00:43:16.260 But the problem with him is he doesn't seem to realize that this is an actual job, that you actually have to do things and you have to oversee the transportation system.

00:43:24.780 This was the failure of a software system, which is also what brought down Southwest over the holidays, the software going down.

00:43:32.340 This was the notice. It used to be called notice to airmen.

00:43:35.020 Now it's called notice to air missions because we didn't want to gender our pilots.

00:43:38.360 You know, and this thing goes down.

00:43:41.360 It's been in place since World War II.

00:43:43.960 So every time that little thing that says you have an update in your software, you want to press that button.

00:43:48.300 And I think that the problem with Pete Buttigieg is not that he should be on top of everything before it happens.

00:43:54.000 It's that he shouldn't be doing the stuff he is doing, which, as you say, is, you know, taking two month paternity leave when he rents a baby,

00:44:02.040 taking, you know, all this time to go after racist bridges.

00:44:05.560 I mean, this was this thing he did where apparently he read the six minute summary of Robert Caro's great, great book,

00:44:12.200 The Power Broker, about Robert Moses.

00:44:14.100 And Robert Moses, who built most of New York, was a stone racist and didn't like the little people

00:44:20.420 and would drive, you know, highways right through poor neighborhoods and just destroy them.

00:44:24.460 He was a terrible, terrible person.

00:44:26.600 However, he did build most of New York.

00:44:28.460 So he's going to go back into the past and fix that.

00:44:30.900 You know, Robert Moses, I'm pretty sure Robert Moses' death was permanent.

00:44:34.360 He's not coming back.

00:44:35.320 It's not what we need to fix.

00:44:37.020 He's not paying attention to the supply chain.

00:44:40.680 He's not paying attention to things like this, you know, the airplanes and the software and all this.

00:44:47.240 He's not paying attention to strikes and train strikes and unions.

00:44:51.320 These are the things that he has to do.

00:44:52.840 He doesn't seem to understand that he actually has a job.

00:44:56.100 He's treating it like a sinecure, like it's something you just get and then you collect the money and go home and it's fine.

00:45:01.880 That's not the way it works.

00:45:02.940 It is an actual job and it does need to be done.

00:45:05.100 And he's not doing it.

00:45:06.020 And that's the thing I blame him for.

00:45:07.340 And I think that's the thing that, you know, like he was never going to become president.

00:45:11.580 That was that was something they were floating around.

00:45:13.060 But I think it's going to be very hard for him now to run on his record because his record stinks.

00:45:17.360 And again, it's not what he is doing.

00:45:19.700 It's what he's not doing.

00:45:20.520 Well, the media will run cover for him, as I'm sure we'll see that the news play out today, but I'm sure they'll run cover for for Buttigieg, for Biden on on all of this.

00:45:29.500 If this were Trump, it'd be a much bigger story.

00:45:31.500 Right.

00:45:31.660 They'd be blaming the administration immediately, just like they're doing on the Biden top secret classified documents turning up at his University of Pennsylvania office, which happened to be in Washington, D.C.,

00:45:43.120 but it was in connection with his I guess he I guess he was lecturing at the University of Pennsylvania during his four years off during the Trump administration.

00:45:50.300 Listen to Joy Behar on why we really shouldn't care about that.

00:45:52.800 That really isn't a story.

00:45:54.280 It's not because it didn't compare in scope to what Trump did.

00:45:57.820 OK, I could see that argument.

00:45:59.180 No, that's not why.

00:46:00.240 Listen, here she is in Sot 4.

00:46:02.260 We all know that Trump is a liar and a thief, you know, you know, so it's not that big a jump to say that he obstructed and he lied.

00:46:12.320 We don't think that Biden is a liar and a thief.

00:46:14.800 So we give him the benefit of the doubt.

00:46:16.940 So Biden doesn't lie, Andrew.

00:46:19.020 You see, Biden, he he's like honest, Abe, never tell the lie.

00:46:25.080 I'm not sure a true word in Biden's mouth would die of loneliness.

00:46:28.640 You know, this is the thing that, again, talking about this information crisis, CNN rushed to sort of say, well, it's a false equivalence, you know, between Trump and Biden.

00:46:39.060 But it's really not.

00:46:40.180 You know, I mean, the difference is, yes, there were many more documents.

00:46:44.220 Trump did give a hard time to the archives about giving the documents back.

00:46:48.840 However, only one of these people suffered an FBI raid on his home as if we were living in a banana republic where you arrest the last guy who ran the government.

00:46:58.040 And only one of these guys, namely Trump, had the right to declassify the documents that he was taking.

00:47:04.600 He was the president of the United States.

00:47:06.020 President of the United States can just declare something declassified.

00:47:09.660 These are documents that Biden had when he was vice president.

00:47:12.520 So he had no business taking them.

00:47:14.680 But it's just at this point, it's just the comedy of it, really.

00:47:18.240 You know, we just had Trump's tax returns released, and that was going to put Trump in jail.

00:47:24.320 And apparently he just pays his taxes and uses every dodge he can, like everybody else, every honest dodge he can.

00:47:30.120 Trump has been they've been telling us the walls are closing in.

00:47:32.800 It's the end of the line.

00:47:33.760 He's going to jail for decades at this point.

00:47:36.720 And it's just the absurdity of the way one party is covered and the way the other party is covered that really it really is a problem.

00:47:44.760 I mean, our corrupt media, our corrupt news media genuinely is a problem.

00:47:49.060 And it genuinely is is damaging to our political and our social life.

00:47:53.560 And I want to know about the National Archivist.

00:47:55.720 Did he go back to the former vice president and say, I'm not sure I have all your documents?

00:48:00.480 Or what have you done to search all of your documents to make sure that I, the national repository for all documents, have everything I'm supposed to have?

00:48:07.980 He did it for Trump.

00:48:08.960 So why not?

00:48:09.800 What?

00:48:10.100 I mean, what did they do for Biden?

00:48:11.880 Let's find out more.

00:48:12.720 Why was there so little interest in what those other former presidents and vice presidents had in their home offices and so much in Trump?

00:48:20.740 Right.

00:48:20.940 Could there be a different standard when it comes to our leaders that led to this whole raid and conflict to begin with?

00:48:28.280 I'm sure we'll be getting real answers on that in the fake probe that the DOJ is now doing of Biden.

00:48:34.000 Andrew, great to see you.

00:48:34.900 Thank you so much for being here.

00:48:36.420 Always good talking to you, Megan.

00:48:37.320 Thanks a lot.

00:48:38.260 A pleasure.

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00:49:13.200 Prince Harry is now, you'll be shocked, blasting the media, claiming news organizations are putting his life in danger for covering the fact that he wrote in his book that he killed 25 Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan.

00:49:31.320 You see, that, too, is the media's fault.

00:49:35.140 Joining me today is Dan Wooten.

00:49:37.000 Dan is the host of Dan Wooten Tonight on GB News and a columnist for the Daily Mail dot com.

00:49:42.140 He's broken tons of big exclusives on the royals, including Harry and Meghan.

00:49:45.600 And Harry is none too happy about it.

00:49:48.100 Dan, welcome back to the show.

00:49:49.740 Great to be here, Meghan.

00:49:51.180 All right.

00:49:51.900 So this is really galling.

00:49:53.980 He writes in his own book that he killed 25 Taliban, that he looked at them not as humans, but as chess pieces on a board.

00:50:01.320 He wrote that.

00:50:02.260 No one made him write that.

00:50:03.940 And now he's very angry that the press has written about it.

00:50:08.760 Here's what he says.

00:50:10.340 This is when he went on Colbert last night.

00:50:12.900 Oh, wait, we have it.

00:50:13.660 OK, listen, here he is on Colbert.

00:50:15.300 Look, I'm not going to lie.

00:50:16.120 The last few days have been hurtful and challenging and not being able to do anything about those leaks that you refer to.

00:50:22.460 But perhaps the or no, not perhaps, without doubt, the most dangerous lie that they have told is that I somehow boasted about the number of people that I killed in Afghanistan.

00:50:32.680 But it's a lie.

00:50:34.020 And hopefully now that the book is out, people will be able to see the context.

00:50:37.260 And it is.

00:50:37.820 It's really it's really troubling and very disturbing that they can get away with it.

00:50:41.360 And that's dangerous.

00:50:42.520 And my words are not dangerous, but the spin of my words are very dangerous.

00:50:48.440 You see, Dan, once again, it's the press's fault.

00:50:52.460 Always the prompt of the media, isn't it, Megan?

00:50:55.040 We're seeing this more and more with Harry and Megan.

00:50:58.720 They never take responsibility, even for their own words.

00:51:04.300 So first, we saw them roll back on those claims to Oprah Winfrey that there was a racist running around at the senior levels of the royal family.

00:51:13.320 All of a sudden, no, no, no, we didn't mean there was a racist.

00:51:16.120 Just there's a lot of unconscious bias going on.

00:51:18.340 Now that there has been a significant backlash to these comments from Harry about the 25 members of the Taliban who he claims that he killed when in service there as part of the British Army,

00:51:32.280 all of a sudden it is the fault of the British media for reporting his exact words.

00:51:39.020 This is a man baby who isn't even able to claim credit for his own words.

00:51:48.340 And then in Spam, man, it's never Harry's fault, ever, ever.

00:51:55.960 It's always someone else's fault.

00:51:57.560 It's either the Queen's fault or King Charles's fault or William's fault or the fault of his schoolteachers.

00:52:04.860 But largely, as you have pointed out, it's the folk of folk like me, members of the British media.

00:52:13.000 We are the devil.

00:52:14.400 We are dangerous.

00:52:16.020 We are evil.

00:52:16.900 Actually, if you listen to the members of the military at the senior levels of the military in the UK,

00:52:24.600 they're not complaining about the coverage of Harry's words.

00:52:28.640 They're complaining about the fact that he has made this revelation at all.

00:52:32.940 Now, they're the experts on the Taliban and the military, Megan.

00:52:36.940 I'm not.

00:52:37.860 But they have made it very clear over the past couple of days that this passage in Harry's book now significantly increases the security risk,

00:52:47.480 not just to Harry and his immediate family in Montecito, but to the entire royal family,

00:52:53.360 to the king, to William, and actually to British people overall, because the Taliban are using this.

00:53:01.760 And there are increasing threats being made, in particular to the people of London.

00:53:07.480 By the way, man, baby, even got a laugh out loud out of Abby, which is a big A plus.

00:53:12.000 She's a cynical newswoman like I am sitting next to me all day.

00:53:14.440 It takes a lot to make her laugh out loud.

00:53:15.920 But you did it.

00:53:16.420 On the on the Taliban thing.

00:53:19.920 So let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say what he's mad about is that they called it a boast.

00:53:24.180 And he wants to say it wasn't a boast.

00:53:25.700 First of all, that's a matter of opinion.

00:53:27.060 And there have been a lot of ex-military saying that's how we view it.

00:53:29.640 There was absolutely no reason to disclose it.

00:53:31.640 You might have tried to couch it in sort of a self-revelatory, like I'm reflecting on my time.

00:53:36.960 But we all see it as what we think it is, which is a brag.

00:53:40.320 And so they're entitled to their opinion.

00:53:42.440 Too bad.

00:53:42.860 Harry wants to control everybody's thoughts and feelings and statements, not just ours, but even former military who were offended by the statement.

00:53:49.660 Like it's what's dangerous is how you reacted to it.

00:53:52.520 Not not what I actually said.

00:53:54.020 But here's what how he's now trying to spin it.

00:53:55.740 This is so absurd.

00:53:57.520 He says the reason he chose to write about his kill count was to reduce the number of suicides among military veterans.

00:54:07.700 I made a choice to share it because having spent nearly two decades working with veterans around the world, I think the most important thing is to be honest and to give space to others to share their experiences without any shame.

00:54:22.920 Well, Colonel Kemp, who commanded Operation Fingal in Afghanistan in 2003, told the Mail Online he did not think that revealing the number would help any healing journey and that it's given the Taliban more fuel for propaganda.

00:54:37.700 Of course, here he is again.

00:54:39.900 He's so altruistic, Dan.

00:54:42.000 He's such a stallion.

00:54:43.440 That's his own word in his book.

00:54:44.720 He's such a stallion.

00:54:46.260 And so but he he can't take credit for he's just he even this was just to help others.

00:54:51.040 It wasn't to make him look like a tough guy.

00:54:54.240 Oh, no, indeed.

00:54:55.180 And he doesn't make any mistakes ever.

00:54:57.020 But actually, what's so disturbing is when you really dig down into the campaign going on here, what Harry wants is the free British press to be controlled, to be limited.

00:55:11.360 He's actually calling and he laughs in the face of his father at one point, King Charles, when he says to him, look, dear boy, it's impossible for the institution to control the media and how he laughs in his face.

00:55:26.720 He is living in a world where he genuinely believes that the British royal family should be able to control what someone like me as a British citizen can write and publish or broadcast.

00:55:39.860 And so Harry thought that it was absolutely fine for him to include all of this information in his book, which we remember he's making millions and millions of dollars for.

00:55:50.020 But it wasn't right for the British press to report on the ramifications of his making this of him making this comment.

00:55:58.000 And so I would put it back to Harry, the Duke of Sussex, that you're the dangerous one.

00:56:04.200 You're the dangerous one because you want a British society where there is no freedom of the press.

00:56:10.240 And remember, Megan, we don't have the constitutional protection here in the UK that journalists and broadcasters like you have in the US.

00:56:18.560 So I actually think what he's calling for is chilling.

00:56:22.200 Yeah, you know, he called the First Amendment bonkers that we luckily have over here.

00:56:28.160 He doesn't believe in it. He doesn't believe in the principle of free speech or the free press here or there.

00:56:33.200 And this is embodied in his attack. I mean, what a pathetic soul.

00:56:38.200 He attacks you in his book for what? For publishing some viciously untrue story that turned out to embarrass you.

00:56:46.360 No, that did not happen. You broke Mexit and he's mad.

00:56:51.260 He's mad you didn't sit back. By the way, I read in your piece on the Daily Mail, you gave them a week's notice to respond, to weigh in.

00:56:58.960 It's not like you just ran to the presses with this, but you were right.

00:57:01.500 In any event, you could have done that. He's mad you broke it, that you didn't let him break it.

00:57:06.760 Well, hello. That's not how the media works.

00:57:10.660 And for this, you get labeled a sad little man.

00:57:14.800 You a sad little man. Go ahead, sad little man.

00:57:17.500 For doing your job, something that's actually really important to both his country and ours.

00:57:22.400 I know. He actually calls me a sad little man, I think, three times.

00:57:27.340 It's always these sort of be kind, woke lefties, isn't it, Megan, who love throwing the personal insult at the people who they don't agree with politically, which is what I think this is really about.

00:57:39.140 But actually, when it came to the Megxit story, and that wasn't the only big story I wrote about Harry and Megan, but I guess it was the culmination of a whole load of previous scoops.

00:57:50.020 He was so angry that I had this information and that I was about to break the story that he actually reveals in the book that he called up his grandmother, the queen.

00:58:00.780 He bothered the queen about my story and says, look, Gran, the son has this story, so I'm going to have to scoop them and release my own statement about it.

00:58:13.240 She says, all right, be careful, and he in the end decides, actually, we can't put the statement together fast enough, so he's going to let the sad little man, me, publish the story, which I do.

00:58:27.480 But what he has done, and this is not surprising, Megan, because the book is littered with provably untrue claims, and this is one of them.

00:58:36.700 He claims that the reason that I published the story so quickly is that I was working in concert with Buckingham Palace, that we were somehow conspiring on this story together.

00:58:50.540 Well, I can tell you right now that's completely not true.

00:58:53.320 I had gone to Harry's own communications secretary seven days before publishing the story.

00:59:00.860 I had had numerous conversations with her.

00:59:03.140 I knew because she told me that she was speaking directly with Harry and Megan about my story and that they were meeting with her at Fogmore Cottage the moment that they landed from Canada.

00:59:15.880 I even included within the story briefing.

00:59:20.380 You know, briefing, the thing that Harry says is, like, evil and is so bad that he should end his relationship with his father and his stepmother and his brother.

00:59:31.720 Well, guess who was providing the briefing to me on that story?

00:59:35.800 Him, his own communications secretary.

00:59:37.680 And I'll tell you what the briefing was.

00:59:38.740 And by the way, I don't usually talk about this stuff because, actually, people don't really need to know about how the sausage is made.

00:59:44.300 And I actually also believe it's incredibly important, something I would go to jail to do, protecting sources.

00:59:50.700 But in this case, I'm not claiming that Harry and Megan were the source of the story.

00:59:55.160 What I'm saying is I got the story myself, but then I was doing my job as a journalist.

01:00:00.180 I wanted to provide both sides of the story.

01:00:02.720 So they briefed me.

01:00:05.100 And the briefing that they gave me on the story was that the reason they were so angry about the royal family is that the queen had released a picture over the Christmas period.

01:00:16.340 Because, remember, they had snubbed the queen.

01:00:18.520 They hadn't wanted to be with her for one of her final Christmases.

01:00:21.460 They had instead spent it in Canada.

01:00:23.880 And she had released a picture of the queen, Charles, William and George.

01:00:29.160 And Harry was so furious about this.

01:00:30.920 He took it as a slight.

01:00:32.360 And he thought it was a sign from the monarch that she was saying to Harry and Megan,

01:00:36.740 you're not going to be a part of the monarchy in the future.

01:00:39.380 And that was one of the reasons that they were so angry and that they started to speed up, I guess you could say, the discussions about Mexico.

01:00:47.440 But I faithfully included that in the story.

01:00:49.160 And I also included a line, and this is obviously really banal information,

01:00:52.400 but just to explain to you how this briefing works, a line saying that Megan wasn't worried about the British weather.

01:00:59.680 She wasn't moving to Canada because she wanted to get away from the horrible British weather.

01:01:04.360 This was something that she was apparently concerned about.

01:01:06.740 Of course, as we know, Canada is quite a lot colder than California, where they ended up a few weeks later.

01:01:12.800 But the reason I'm going into that detail, Megan, is because I think it's really important for folk to know that Harry and Megan were doing all of this briefing.

01:01:21.500 I had hundreds and hundreds of phone calls with staff members for the Sussexes over their time in the royal family.

01:01:26.280 And so they claim that they should end their relationship.

01:01:30.640 I just don't understand it.

01:01:32.500 Right.

01:01:32.620 They're their own relatives.

01:01:33.640 They're upset their relatives briefed the press, and they also did it.

01:01:36.240 Here's, here's, I find this very telling.

01:01:39.720 He says, as expected.

01:01:42.300 This is from the book, chapter 73.

01:01:44.720 The story depicted our departure as rollicking, carefree, hedonistic, tapping out, rather than a careful retreat, an attempt at self-preservation.

01:01:54.180 It also included the telling detail that we had offered to relinquish our Sussex titles.

01:01:58.040 There was only one document on earth in which that detail was mentioned, my private and confidential letter to my father.

01:02:04.100 Let's take those point by point.

01:02:06.120 I love it.

01:02:06.720 Like, he does want to control the press.

01:02:08.620 You should have portrayed it as a thoughtful self-preservation attempt, Dan.

01:02:13.760 You didn't, you had no business referring to this as a tapping out, which weren't, whatever.

01:02:18.680 But this is how obsessed this guy is.

01:02:21.080 He doesn't understand.

01:02:22.280 We can write what we want.

01:02:24.680 If we have facts that are telling us it's A and you want to say it's B, and if you want to come to me and tell me it's B, I'll include that in there.

01:02:31.600 If you say nothing, I'm going with A.

01:02:33.380 That's what I have from my source.

01:02:35.440 Too bad that you wrote it in a way he didn't like it.

01:02:38.040 That's, this is so petulant and small minded, but on point B, I get it more interested.

01:02:45.560 He said this on his press tour too, that there's a reason he believes you worked in concert with the palace on this is because the detail of we had offered to relinquish our Sussex titles was something only one person he claims knew.

01:03:00.840 He claims he had told his dad, then Prince Charles, now King, that they would do that, that the dad weirdly asked him to put it in writing.

01:03:09.840 And he was like, why do I need to put it in writing?

01:03:11.780 It's my own dad, but okay, I'll do it.

01:03:13.560 He sent it to the dad, Prince Charles, and that within a week it wound up in your reporting.

01:03:19.480 And so he's saying it's very clear the palace worked to get this story out.

01:03:24.780 Only he and Prince Charles knew about it.

01:03:27.780 Exactly.

01:03:28.180 What he has to understand is that once this document was sent to Prince Charles, the wills were in motion.

01:03:36.060 The palace had to start preparing the options for Mexit.

01:03:40.720 They had to present these options to the queen who made the final decision.

01:03:46.220 So obviously a lot more people knew than his father.

01:03:49.720 But again, there's another really critical factual inaccuracy here.

01:03:53.140 I had already gone to his communication secretary with the story, and I can prove that before he even sent the email to his father.

01:04:01.820 So he's talking rubbish, but he speaks rubbish throughout the book.

01:04:05.320 Honestly, it is littered with lies because Harry only believes in his truth.

01:04:11.700 Well, you talked about how he felt that he was being slighted by the queen because he wasn't in the photograph, despite what he'd done to the queen.

01:04:19.820 But this is a theme throughout the book.

01:04:21.940 He feels slighted at everything.

01:04:25.320 I mean, we talked a little bit about this on your show last night.

01:04:28.960 He's mad that when he was young, he shared a room with William and William's half of the room was bigger and nicer.

01:04:35.640 He attributes everything to the fact that he was the, quote, spare.

01:04:39.920 And meanwhile, it's like, has he any younger brother or sister in the world can tell you they've all had that experience.

01:04:48.220 The firstborn usually gets the best choice.

01:04:50.340 It's not about preferring that child to the others.

01:04:52.560 It's about how do you got to pick some fair way of doing it?

01:04:55.840 And, you know, he's been here first.

01:04:57.240 And you know what then happens?

01:04:58.420 The first one leaves and goes off to school and the second one graduates in terms of the room size.

01:05:03.680 But it's just one example of how he sees everything as a slight to him.

01:05:09.920 Completely.

01:05:10.620 And actually, when I was reading the book, I thought there was a total lack of compassion or understanding on his part about the role that his father and his brother had to take on.

01:05:24.440 I mean, they didn't ask to be born first, Megan.

01:05:27.800 This is the bizarre way, right, that our constitutional monarchy in the UK works.

01:05:33.580 So he's incredibly aggrieved because he's the spare.

01:05:36.840 But actually, Charles and William are struggling throughout their entire life because they have no freedom.

01:05:44.700 You know, as we know, because Harry has revealed it, William wasn't even able to get married with a beard because the queen said, no, you're going to be king.

01:05:56.560 That's not how you behave.

01:05:58.140 Harry, as the spare, was allowed that flexibility and freedom.

01:06:02.700 And I also thought there was a real willful blindness, I guess I would describe it, to actually times when Charles and William were quite clearly trying to save Harry from himself.

01:06:18.540 And he recounts lots of these conversations, right, as if they're being a bad father or a bad brother.

01:06:24.880 But my reading of them was actually, they're trying to help you, mate.

01:06:29.100 They are desperately trying to make sure you don't go down these dodgy paths.

01:06:34.300 And actually, there's so much compassion from King Charles in particular shown.

01:06:37.940 For example, Meghan, we remember the Nazi uniform saga.

01:06:43.420 We remember the naked picture scandal in Las Vegas.

01:06:46.720 Well, after both of those occasions, Harry goes to see Charles.

01:06:51.080 And Charles is incredibly tender and incredibly kind.

01:06:54.780 And at his lowest moments, his dad is there for him, even, by the way, as a 29-year-old man.

01:07:00.160 I think most 29-year-old men don't have to rely on their parents for money or for emotional support.

01:07:07.700 But Harry, because he is this man-baby, does.

01:07:11.220 And that's fine.

01:07:12.340 He's got mental health issues.

01:07:13.800 So he goes to his dad.

01:07:15.420 And his dad, at 29 years old, actually gets him in with a doctor, practically.

01:07:21.020 But Harry decides he doesn't want to undergo the treatment at that time.

01:07:26.020 So what I saw from Charles was actually, yes, a bit of a hapless father at times, but someone who tried to do his best.

01:07:33.920 When it came to the relationship with William, yeah, he's a bit tougher on his brother.

01:07:39.340 But again, in those dark moments, he is there for him.

01:07:43.220 And so I think Harry actually is attempting to portray his mother and his brother as deeply caring.

01:07:52.300 But that wasn't my reading of the situation.

01:07:55.120 Also, by the way, they just don't like being told advice that they don't agree with.

01:08:01.040 So, for example, even once Meghan is in the family, there's a conversation between Camilla and the Sussexes where she gives some advice to Meghan about just riding out the storm.

01:08:11.540 And obviously, no one knows better than Camilla, right, how tough it can be when you are not liked by the British public.

01:08:21.560 Because Camilla had a really tough time, four years.

01:08:25.100 I mean, she was described as a rottweiler.

01:08:26.520 She was totally despised because she was the other woman in the marriage who had left Diana devastated.

01:08:34.620 And Meghan ignores that advice.

01:08:37.260 There's another moment, right, where the Queen says, Meghan, you've got to fly to Mexico to go and see your father and actually sort this out with him face to face.

01:08:48.300 What brilliant advice from Queen Elizabeth II.

01:08:52.080 And if only Meghan had done that, she would have avoided so much stress and so much strain.

01:08:57.680 She refuses because she's so paranoid about a picture being taken of her going into her dad's house.

01:09:04.760 Well, how ridiculous.

01:09:06.060 So I guess the point that I'm making is actually the royal family give lots of good advice to Harry and Meghan, but Harry can't see that it was good advice.

01:09:14.860 I think it was probably Meghan most of the time who was saying, ignore your father, ignore your brother, ignore your grandmother.

01:09:22.900 And I think they did that at their peril.

01:09:25.680 He can't stand his brother.

01:09:27.620 I'm sorry, but I had no idea the amount of loathing he has for Prince William.

01:09:32.900 And he paints him as an absolute cad who was bullying him and unkind to him at every turn.

01:09:39.740 And, of course, then paints himself as the hero.

01:09:42.880 I mean, he goes into great detail about how amazing he has been.

01:09:46.760 He, Harry.

01:09:47.720 Here are a couple of examples.

01:09:49.220 First, we've talked about before he blamed his Nazi costume on William and Kate, saying they were the ones who told me to wear it.

01:09:54.700 They laughed hysterically.

01:09:55.740 They thought it was amazing, but I had to take all the bad press over it.

01:09:59.180 He can't even get over the little digs.

01:10:01.120 OK, here's here's a story about when they were both in the military together.

01:10:07.040 They gave a joint interview.

01:10:08.720 And he says during this interview, Willie, which is what he calls his brother, griped endlessly about my habits.

01:10:14.440 Harry's a slob.

01:10:15.540 Harry snores.

01:10:16.500 I turned and gave him a look.

01:10:17.660 Was he joking?

01:10:18.540 I cleaned up after myself and I didn't snore.

01:10:21.040 Besides, our rooms were separated by thick walls.

01:10:23.100 So even if I did, there was no way he heard.

01:10:25.540 The reporters were having fits of giggles about it all.

01:10:27.680 But I cut in lies, lies.

01:10:29.720 That only made them laugh harder.

01:10:31.700 Willie, too.

01:10:33.080 Now, he says, I can't help but wonder if there wasn't something else at play.

01:10:36.980 I was training to get to the front lines, the same place Willie had been training to get.

01:10:40.080 But the palace had scuttled his plans.

01:10:42.380 The spare?

01:10:43.200 Sure.

01:10:43.780 Let him run around on a battlefield like a chicken with his head cut off.

01:10:47.000 It's what he likes.

01:10:47.820 But the air?

01:10:48.760 No.

01:10:49.120 So Willie was now training to be a search and rescue pilot and perhaps feeling quietly

01:10:53.880 frustrated about it.

01:10:55.200 He was jealous of him.

01:10:56.560 He was jealous of the spare because he got to do all the fun things.

01:11:01.780 That's what this is what brothers do to each other.

01:11:04.120 Like he needed another brother.

01:11:05.740 If I could list for you all the things that my brother has said about me, just it's kind

01:11:10.460 of a brother's job to toughen you up, whether you're a little brother or a little sister.

01:11:15.900 That's another story he tells about how in 2015, he got a little agoraphobic.

01:11:21.560 He had had some panic attacks.

01:11:23.260 He was giving a speech and he said he was nervous.

01:11:26.620 And Willie came up to me backstage laughing.

01:11:28.960 Harold, look at you.

01:11:29.980 You're drenched because he'd been sweating.

01:11:32.180 I couldn't fathom his reaction.

01:11:34.380 Him of all people.

01:11:35.560 He'd been present from my very first panic attack.

01:11:38.200 With Kate, I couldn't imagine how he could be so insensitive.

01:11:43.260 Insensitive or taking a different path to try to toughen you up and teach you to laugh

01:11:48.360 at your lowest moments.

01:11:50.620 Oh, come on.

01:11:51.580 This is banter.

01:11:52.980 This is great British banter.

01:11:54.720 It is brotherly banter.

01:11:55.820 That is William's sense of humor.

01:11:57.680 And to me, what was fascinating is at the time, how he took it as banter.

01:12:02.740 But now he has been captured by a cabal of Hollywood woke-topian yes people, right, who

01:12:09.420 are friends with Meghan and the whole psychotherapy community who want him to look back into his

01:12:16.620 past and make himself a victim.

01:12:19.680 And he's done that.

01:12:20.800 But I actually think it is despicable the way that he has thrown William under the bus.

01:12:25.680 Because I know, Meghan, the times when William was there for Harry.

01:12:29.760 And I'm talking dark moments, right, because we know about the drug use in this book, by

01:12:34.760 the way.

01:12:35.400 Harry was breaking the law on multiple occasions.

01:12:38.360 Now, whether you agree with that or disagree with that, whether you think drugs should be

01:12:42.960 legalized or not.

01:12:44.880 Personally, I don't.

01:12:46.080 I'm very anti-drugs, and I think actually sustained drug use over many decades has significantly

01:12:52.580 impacted Harry's mental health.

01:12:54.360 That is my opinion.

01:12:55.560 But whenever you think about it, you've got, at the time, the third in line to the throne

01:13:00.020 breaking the law constantly and consistently.

01:13:04.260 What are you expecting the second in line for the throne, Prince William, to do about that?

01:13:09.820 He's not just going to allow it to happen.

01:13:11.900 There were moments when he needed to give Harry some tough love, because the tough love wasn't

01:13:18.200 coming from Charles, who had this sense of guilt, really, about the fact that he was

01:13:24.720 a single dad and he could never really cope with that.

01:13:27.920 So actually, I think what he's done to William is despicable.

01:13:30.680 And I know, by the way, from my reporting on William and Harry for many years now, William

01:13:36.960 ain't going to forgive and forget.

01:13:39.640 His red line, by the way, was not the personal attacks on him.

01:13:45.360 It was the attacks on Kate, his wife.

01:13:49.180 He found that completely despicable when Meghan went on international television and claimed

01:13:56.760 that Kate had made her cry.

01:14:00.620 We have then seen more attacks on Kate in the Netflix documentary.

01:14:04.460 But this book, William is presented as the villain of the piece.

01:14:10.380 And I think it is disgusting.

01:14:12.480 And Harry has to know that there are now permanent ramifications for his relationship with William.

01:14:18.740 Because think about this, right?

01:14:19.860 William is going to be king one day.

01:14:22.700 And Harry has now tried to present to the world, he says, for historical purposes, his brother

01:14:30.160 as a violent, angry, insensitive bully.

01:14:35.200 Now, if you speak to people who are friends with William, that is not how they characterize

01:14:40.340 the guy.

01:14:41.560 I would say Harry drove him to frustration time and again.

01:14:46.180 And I don't know about you, Meghan, once I got to one of the final chapters in the book,

01:14:50.800 because my God, it's long and it's dirty.

01:14:53.240 And I felt like I had to take a wash after it.

01:14:55.680 And William lunges at Harry because he's just so frustrated by his hypocrisy.

01:15:00.760 You know, the fact that he's banging on about the way that the royal family briefed the press.

01:15:05.320 And William says to him, hang on a moment.

01:15:07.760 You've just gone and done a towel interview with Oprah Winfrey.

01:15:10.800 What the hell are you talking about?

01:15:11.920 And he lunges at Harry.

01:15:12.900 And at that point, I have to say, and I don't usually ever support any form of physical

01:15:18.820 violence, but at that point, Meghan, rightly or wrongly, my sympathies were with William,

01:15:23.660 not with Harry.

01:15:24.840 Oh, me too.

01:15:25.600 Harry needed a good ass kicking.

01:15:27.780 Apparently, he needed a second one because he's still in the same place that he was back

01:15:31.880 then.

01:15:32.520 And let's not feel too sorry for Harry, who now has written a book being read by God knows

01:15:37.360 how many people across the globe, ridiculing William's baldness, talking about his constant

01:15:43.700 scowl that he had and revealing his very private thoughts about the death of his mother, about

01:15:50.220 his stepmother, about his wife, Kate, and, you know, getting married, his conversations

01:15:56.160 with the queen, all stuff.

01:15:58.120 I mean, the nerve of this guy who's so protective of his privacy and sues all these papers saying,

01:16:03.140 how dare you publish a private letter between a daughter and a father?

01:16:07.660 Meanwhile, he's revealing conversations.

01:16:09.740 One thing, he was a part of them.

01:16:11.140 Maybe you assume the risk in talking to Harry.

01:16:13.160 I guess William did when he was 15.

01:16:14.820 He should have foreseen this is what his brother was going to do.

01:16:17.120 But it's quite another to tell your brother's private conversations with somebody else,

01:16:21.880 right?

01:16:22.060 Like he's he understands William's private thoughts about their mother.

01:16:25.560 He has no business revealing those, but he does.

01:16:28.020 And then he offers stories like this one, which I just found somewhat galling.

01:16:31.680 Chapter 25, he's talking about how they go to a friend of his father's home.

01:16:36.780 His dad has a Prince King Charles has a friend.

01:16:39.880 They go over and that guy has four boys and they would always play fight.

01:16:44.320 And he says, I don't know how effective or skilled a fighter I was, but I always succeeded

01:16:49.600 in providing enough diversion for Willie to get away.

01:16:52.980 He would check his injuries, wipe his nose, right?

01:16:57.520 It's important to diminish him this way.

01:16:58.980 Then jump straight back in.

01:17:00.940 When the scrap finally ended for good, when we hobbled away together, I always felt such

01:17:04.800 love for him and I sensed love in return, but also some embarrassment.

01:17:09.980 I was half Willie's size, half his weight.

01:17:13.040 I was the younger brother.

01:17:14.620 He was supposed to save me, not the other way around.

01:17:18.220 You tell me as a man that is an intentional attempt to diminish the future king of England.

01:17:25.420 And he's trying to rub his nose in it.

01:17:29.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:17:29.900 And he does it all the time.

01:17:31.240 I mean, it wasn't just criticizing his baldness, Megan.

01:17:35.780 I think the thing that will really upset William is how he says that he was losing his resemblance

01:17:43.700 to his mother, Princess Diana.

01:17:45.840 I mean, how nasty and cruel and actually quite evil is that?

01:17:52.800 And when it comes to the invasion of privacy, as you rightly point out, remember, Harry and

01:18:00.200 Meghan against the wishes of the Queen and or the late Queen and King Charles launched this

01:18:06.080 legal campaign over the fact that Thomas Markle gave the letter that Meghan had sent to him

01:18:13.600 and a newspaper published it.

01:18:16.460 But in this book, Harry has actually published private text messages sent between Meghan and

01:18:25.500 Kate.

01:18:26.560 So he wasn't even in that conversation.

01:18:28.840 I just think the hypocrisy is off the scale.

01:18:34.180 And obviously, what is so unfortunate and so unfair is that he knows, he knows that William

01:18:41.600 and Kate and Charles and Camilla are powerless to respond.

01:18:47.000 They will not respond in an interview.

01:18:49.420 They will not respond via courtiers.

01:18:51.560 And they will not respond legally.

01:18:53.560 And Harry knew that.

01:18:55.380 Indeed, we're not even seeing them respond without fingerprints on it in the press by,

01:19:00.380 oh, no, it was this way.

01:19:01.160 We're hearing nothing from them, which is working because apparently Harry's approval rating has

01:19:05.940 gone down down five points over the past six months or so.

01:19:09.620 Meghan's is already lower than his.

01:19:11.200 She's at the bottom of the barrel.

01:19:13.340 And but he has dinged up Prince William because his approval rating has gone down five points

01:19:17.260 as well.

01:19:17.560 So it's working somewhat on Prince William, not on King Charles, who remains at the same level,

01:19:22.260 according to YouGov.

01:19:23.140 Um, can we spend a minute on the Kate, Meghan thing?

01:19:25.920 Because I think they've they've they've muddied the waters on that a fair amount.

01:19:31.060 He in his book puts out what he claims is the actual text exchange between Meghan and Kate.

01:19:36.700 You just reference it.

01:19:37.580 Mr. Prince of Privacy.

01:19:39.180 You know, you should never do this.

01:19:40.420 Puts out a text exchange that he had no part in.

01:19:42.940 And this is how he claims it went.

01:19:45.320 He claims that Kate texted to Meghan.

01:19:47.680 This is Kate's nastiness.

01:19:50.420 These are the examples.

01:19:51.240 Number one, Meghan asked her to share a lip gloss with her before trooping of the color

01:19:55.120 or some one of those.

01:19:56.720 And Kate was slow to hand it over.

01:19:59.600 Well, hello.

01:20:00.760 I would be slow to hand over my lip.

01:20:02.520 And I've been asked by my friends as hand over his lip.

01:20:04.680 And I always say, do you have any weird lip thing going on?

01:20:06.820 Because I don't want to have to throw out my lip gloss.

01:20:08.700 I trust truly like you can get somebody who runs like a cold sore.

01:20:11.940 I have no idea.

01:20:12.740 Kate had no idea what Meghan had or didn't have.

01:20:15.020 And anyway, that's number one.

01:20:15.900 And this is number two, that Kate, before the wedding, allegedly texted Meghan.

01:20:20.960 This is presented as like a quote, though we don't know.

01:20:25.120 Charlotte's dress is too big, too long, too baggy.

01:20:28.640 She cried when she tried it on at home.

01:20:30.840 Meghan.

01:20:31.820 Right.

01:20:32.600 And I told you the tailor has been standing by since 8 a.m.

01:20:36.360 Here at Kensington Palace.

01:20:38.640 Can you take Charlotte to have it altered as the other mums are doing?

01:20:42.420 Response.

01:20:42.880 No, all the dresses need to be remade.

01:20:46.540 Meghan.

01:20:47.280 I'm not sure what else to say.

01:20:49.060 If the dress doesn't fit, then please take Charlotte to see AJ, the tailor.

01:20:53.360 He's been waiting all day.

01:20:54.940 Kate response.

01:20:56.240 Fine.

01:20:57.520 The horror.

01:20:59.000 The horror.

01:21:03.340 OK, so what do you make of that text exchange and this new story about what actually made somebody

01:21:08.280 cry?

01:21:08.580 Apparently, in response to this, Meghan was in a ball crying on the floor.

01:21:12.900 Toughen up, buttercup.

01:21:14.040 But go ahead.

01:21:15.040 Well, I mean, as if she was.

01:21:16.320 As if she was.

01:21:17.460 This is completely made up.

01:21:19.020 I mean, who saw Meghan sobbing?

01:21:21.900 One person, apparently.

01:21:23.640 Harry.

01:21:24.440 Just like we're meant to believe that Meghan was suicidal throughout this time and that

01:21:30.900 she was denied psychological help by Buckingham Palace.

01:21:34.720 Again, a claim which personally I don't believe.

01:21:38.460 I don't think it stacks up personally.

01:21:42.240 That's my view.

01:21:43.580 So was Kate very stressed at the time?

01:21:48.920 Yes.

01:21:49.520 She'd just given birth.

01:21:51.860 Was Meghan very stressed at the time?

01:21:54.540 Yes.

01:21:55.140 Her father had just had a heart attack and was saying that he wasn't coming to her wedding.

01:21:59.660 So both ladies were incredibly stressed and we understand that.

01:22:04.040 But I think the crucial point and the critical point here, Meghan, is that they hated each

01:22:09.400 other already by this point.

01:22:11.900 The wedding was just the culmination of what had been a really bad relationship right from

01:22:18.100 the start.

01:22:18.580 And again, this is another one of those really critical factual inaccuracies from Harry, because

01:22:25.200 when William goes to see him to complain about Meghan being difficult and abrasive and rude,

01:22:33.760 Harry says, oh, you've just got this from the media narrative, the press narrative.

01:22:39.500 But in fact, they had fallen out long before I ever broke the story of Kate and Meghan not

01:22:47.040 going on, because that was in November 2018.

01:22:49.500 That was the first time that it had been written credibly anywhere in the world that Meghan and

01:22:55.080 Kate had fallen out.

01:22:56.840 And that falling out was actually about the way that Meghan was speaking to staff at Kensington

01:23:02.700 Palace.

01:23:03.580 But to be honest, there were so many times reading this book, Meghan, when I just thought, my God,

01:23:10.220 this is Meghan Markle speaking.

01:23:12.380 This is not Harry speaking.

01:23:13.620 This is Meghan Markle speaking.

01:23:14.760 I'll give you an example, right, because Harry talks about page three girls and he loved page

01:23:20.840 three, right?

01:23:21.300 I don't know if you know about page three, Meghan, but I'll explain it was the Sun newspaper

01:23:25.340 I used to work on page three.

01:23:27.960 They would have a topless picture.

01:23:30.100 It was a legendary thing in the Sun.

01:23:32.760 It had gone back years.

01:23:33.740 And when Harry was serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, he very famously used to read the Sun because

01:23:39.200 he loved page three so much.

01:23:40.700 And he's going on a date with a page three girl.

01:23:43.240 Now, after page three is mentioned, in brackets, there is this line.

01:23:47.960 That was the accepted, misogynistic, objectifying term for young women featured each day on page

01:23:54.460 three of Rupert Murdoch's The Sun.

01:23:56.840 Well, I'm sorry.

01:23:57.860 And sue me if I'm wrong.

01:23:59.220 That was not written by Prince Harry.

01:24:00.940 That was written by Meghan Markle.

01:24:02.960 And I had a fascinating conversation the other day, Meghan, where a very incredible source

01:24:08.820 told me that the manuscript, Harry's manuscript, was covered, completely littered with Meghan's

01:24:15.640 notes.

01:24:16.480 And you know what was particularly annoying to the publishers is that she had made all of

01:24:19.880 these notes in her annoying calligraphy.

01:24:23.900 You know, she writes, she's obsessed with writing everything in her calligraphy.

01:24:27.920 So, so this book is not just Harry's book.

01:24:32.380 So much of Harry's experience now has been funneled through Ms. Markle.

01:24:38.580 And I think that's very telling, especially when it comes to these, you know, paragraphs about

01:24:45.540 Kate.

01:24:46.540 And that's an amazing point I wanted to make, Meghan.

01:24:48.620 Amazing example.

01:24:49.580 Yeah, go ahead.

01:24:49.860 Harry actually concedes that there were staff sobbing in the office.

01:24:57.900 Now, he says it's because of this war going on, Team Sussex versus Team Cambridge.

01:25:05.140 Well, actually, you speak to the staff members.

01:25:06.800 They don't say it's because of that.

01:25:08.520 They say they were sobbing because of alleged bullying by Ms. Markle.

01:25:13.940 Mm hmm.

01:25:15.080 That's cover.

01:25:16.160 And it's interesting how he goes right up to the edge of these stories.

01:25:19.960 He admits just enough to offer an alternate version, but then pivots away, you know, like,

01:25:25.680 oh, here's another possibility.

01:25:26.900 They were crying because of the war.

01:25:28.500 And and, you know, all the reporting like yours, which has proven credible.

01:25:32.400 There was Mexit says it was for a very different reason.

01:25:36.580 He does it, too, on Tiara Gate.

01:25:38.560 But another thing I know you know about, and I'm going to tell you, I'm going to read for

01:25:42.300 the audience what he's now saying actually happened with Tiara Gate.

01:25:45.160 And we'll ask Dan what the truth is right after this.

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01:26:21.200 You and others reported on how Megan was allegedly showed a couple shown a couple of

01:26:26.440 tiaras by the queen in advance of the wedding.

01:26:29.820 She chose one and the advisor said, maybe not that one, maybe another one or something like

01:26:35.460 that.

01:26:35.640 I can't remember.

01:26:36.300 Um, wait, let me correct it.

01:26:39.600 It was that she wanted to try on the tiara outside of the castle.

01:26:43.480 Right.

01:26:43.860 And she was told no.

01:26:45.360 And that Harry weighed in saying what Megan wants.

01:26:48.820 Megan gets.

01:26:49.320 All right.

01:26:49.620 Here's what he says.

01:26:50.240 He denies that he angrily told Angela Kelly, his grandmother's dresser, what Megan wants.

01:26:55.780 Megan gets says shortly before the wedding in May, 2018, the queen reached out to the

01:27:00.540 couple offering Megan access to her collection of tiaras.

01:27:02.880 She was invited to Buckingham Palace to try them on.

01:27:05.600 Do come over.

01:27:06.260 The queen said, he remembers.

01:27:07.720 It was extraordinarily.

01:27:09.060 It was an extraordinary morning.

01:27:10.060 The queen was standing alongside a jewelry expert who knew the history of each stone in the

01:27:14.080 royal collection.

01:27:14.780 Also in the room was the queen's confidant on Angela Kelly.

01:27:18.240 He says the queen asked Megan to view five stunning tiaras, including one with emeralds

01:27:21.920 and another with aquamarines.

01:27:23.180 The queen told Megan tiaras suit you.

01:27:26.360 After Megan chose one, the queen advised her to try the piece on with her hairdresser before

01:27:30.900 the wedding day.

01:27:31.600 But Harry says when he tried to contact Angela Kelly later to get a hold of the tiara for

01:27:36.700 the practice session, the dresser did not respond.

01:27:40.500 When he finally tracked her down, Miss Kelly told him taking the tiara out of the palace

01:27:44.520 for an appointment with Megan's hairdresser cannot be done because it would require an

01:27:48.200 orderly and a police officer to guard it.

01:27:50.880 Harry, who admits to being exasperated, says Miss Kelly eventually appeared out of thin air

01:27:57.020 since the resentment at Kensington Palace to make him sign a release before handing over

01:28:01.840 the tiara.

01:28:02.720 He writes, quote, she fixed me with a look that made me shiver.

01:28:06.820 I could read in her face a clear warning.

01:28:09.940 This isn't over.

01:28:12.700 So here again, he seems to be admitting he obviously upset the queen's dresser.

01:28:17.220 I don't know how you do that.

01:28:18.400 I just be grateful and do what they tell you to do on the tiara.

01:28:21.100 But clearly he angered her.

01:28:22.560 And now he's basically saying that nothing, he didn't say that line and this much ado was

01:28:28.960 made over nothing.

01:28:30.500 She was the queen's dresser, but she was also so much more than that, Megan.

01:28:35.520 She was her closest ally, her closest confidant.

01:28:40.740 They had become such firm friends that the queen, in quite an unprecedented move, allowed

01:28:48.320 Angela Kelly to publish a number of books about her work for the queen, which just doesn't

01:28:54.840 happen right.

01:28:55.600 So Angela Kelly was almost like another daughter for the queen.

01:29:00.320 That is how close they were.

01:29:01.800 And Angela Kelly was often used by the queen because the queen sometimes can't say things

01:29:07.880 she really wants to say, right?

01:29:10.000 So who do you get to say them?

01:29:12.100 Tall bird, Angela Kelly, who comes from good working class Liverpool stock and isn't a

01:29:18.080 afraid to stand up to someone like Prince Harry.

01:29:20.760 So that is the context.

01:29:22.060 But when it actually comes to my reporting on Tiara Gate, I think Harry is being incredibly

01:29:26.780 disingenuous because what he's trying to do is use a diversion tactic here by commenting

01:29:33.680 on the very minor parts of the story and ignoring the main thrust of what my revelation was.

01:29:41.180 And the revelation was that the queen had to phone up Prince Harry and tell him that the

01:29:50.100 way that Meghan was treating staff at Buckingham Palace was inappropriate.

01:29:55.340 And that was the first time that there had been any indication that Meghan was not behaving

01:30:00.980 appropriately behind the scenes.

01:30:02.880 And you have to realise that it is quite unprecedented and quite extraordinary for the queen to actually

01:30:10.220 personally intervene.

01:30:12.520 And we know what happened, don't we?

01:30:14.600 We know what happened.

01:30:15.780 Angela Kelly was reporting back everything to the queen.

01:30:20.380 She was reporting back the way that Meghan was speaking to the staff.

01:30:23.320 She was reporting back the way that Harry was making all of these demands.

01:30:26.640 I was never the reporter to reveal the what Meghan wants, Meghan gets line.

01:30:33.100 But I will tell you, the man who did is one of the most credible and experienced royal

01:30:39.620 journalists of his generation.

01:30:43.580 And he is King Charles' biographer.

01:30:47.300 And I do not believe that he would ever have reported that line, Meghan, if it wasn't said.

01:30:53.540 Robert Johnson.

01:30:54.480 Yeah, Jobson.

01:30:55.520 Yes, well, of course.

01:30:56.620 And it does sound like him.

01:30:57.520 If you read this book, I mean, he does nothing other than wine, self-aggrandize,

01:31:02.180 color himself as, you know, as I said, the stallion who saves people.

01:31:06.240 I mean, I can hear him saying that.

01:31:08.140 Whereas I will be honest, I couldn't before I read this book.

01:31:12.100 Now, having read the book, I like him less.

01:31:13.800 I see him more clearly.

01:31:15.980 And I could hear him saying that.

01:31:18.420 One of the other things is the acknowledgements.

01:31:20.940 The acknowledgements thank James Corden, Oprah, Chris Martin of Coldplay, Tyler Perry.

01:31:31.260 Okay, I get that one.

01:31:32.160 Not King Charles.

01:31:35.940 Not Prince William, of course.

01:31:37.940 Not even the Queen.

01:31:40.340 That last one was shocking to me.

01:31:42.940 But also, what about his extended relatives?

01:31:46.320 What about Princess Anne, who was the only person who actually remained at Balmoral Castle after the late Queen's death to welcome Prince Harry and to usher him into the room where the Queen was lying dead?

01:32:03.840 Like, Meghan, Prince William and Charles and Camilla, they had all staffed.

01:32:09.740 They didn't even want to see Harry.

01:32:12.000 That is how bad relations had got.

01:32:14.360 Anne waited there.

01:32:15.560 But no acknowledgement for his aunt.

01:32:18.100 And, yeah, the fact that the Queen wasn't acknowledged is just sick.

01:32:22.060 But, by the way, the Queen would be so disappointed with Harry because, you know, he's also come for her sister, Princess Margaret.

01:32:31.100 But he's really bitchy about her in the book, which is just unbelievable.

01:32:35.800 And she would find it absolutely unforgivable that he has written word for word the private conversation that the Queen had with Harry when he asked for permission to marry Meghan.

01:32:50.720 And he is throwing a hell of a lot of shade at the Queen because, let's be honest, when you read the transcript, it's made very clear that the Queen wasn't all too keen on this marriage.

01:33:03.360 She wasn't all too keen on this union.

01:33:05.480 She said, well, I'm going to have to say yes, but I don't particularly want to.

01:33:09.120 That was the underlying message that you got.

01:33:11.400 But the point is, you just don't do that.

01:33:13.860 You just don't release transcripts of conversations with the late Queen if you're a member of the royal family.

01:33:20.660 But she would have been so angry at Harry for the way that he came for Princess Margaret.

01:33:26.880 And I think it also shows a real lack of understanding because, remember, Margaret was the spare as well.

01:33:32.300 She had had a really troubled life.

01:33:34.640 And there were probably lots of reasons why she wasn't particularly polite to him at that time.

01:33:39.980 Good point.

01:33:40.280 We talked about some of this on your show last night.

01:33:42.780 The reviews have not been good.

01:33:44.440 New York Times book review calling it embittered, them overexposed, boring, cringy, catty, tiresome.

01:33:52.460 Daily Beast, leftist online site, petty, mean-spirited, hypocritical, tawdry, petulant, spoiled, babyish, vindictive, a betrayal of his family.

01:34:02.200 I could go on.

01:34:03.560 So the reviews have not been particularly kind.

01:34:06.880 Nonetheless, and I don't know if this is true or not.

01:34:08.800 There's reporting in the Daily Mail, Dan, that they're still going to be invited to King Charles' coronation.

01:34:14.900 Is that true?

01:34:16.480 It is true.

01:34:17.960 It's absolutely true.

01:34:19.400 And I've done a lot of reporting on Charles' headspace around this.

01:34:24.960 I personally don't agree with it.

01:34:27.060 But just to give you some understanding about where he's at.

01:34:30.580 He believes that this feud with Harry will be resolved.

01:34:36.940 He is absolutely determined that he will not negatively brief against his own son.

01:34:44.000 He is making it very clear that he's not angry.

01:34:47.700 He is saddened.

01:34:48.760 I think the only slight shift in position possibly will come if Harry continues to attack Camilla, the Queen Consort, because that has always been Charles' red line.

01:35:01.340 What I would say is that even though Harry will be invited to the coronation, I'm certain he'll attend, by the way.

01:35:09.920 Because remember, it's only Harry and Meghan's proximity to these sorts of major royal events that give them the kudos to keep being paid big money by the likes of Netflix.

01:35:19.740 So I think he will attend, but he will not have a formal role.

01:35:25.020 And I think there's a serious risk that he will be booed and greeted very negatively and coldly by the British public, which I believe he now deserves after this book.

01:35:36.120 It's treacherous.

01:35:37.420 It is absolutely treacherous.

01:35:39.840 He has not just betrayed the royal family, he's betrayed his country.

01:35:43.100 We sat next to each other for coverage of the wedding when I was at NBC, and I want to come over there and sit next to you on GB News for coverage of the coronation, and I will personally boo him.

01:35:54.620 Oh my goodness, we've got to do that, don't we, Megan?

01:35:56.720 You've got to come back to London for the coronation.

01:35:59.240 I will get it going.

01:36:00.980 Boo!

01:36:03.180 You're too classy, but I'll do it.

01:36:05.920 Dan, so fun talking to you.

01:36:08.500 Thank you so much for the great information.

01:36:10.560 A pleasure, as always.

01:36:11.560 Thank you, Megan.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 11, 2023

Prince Harry Blames the Press, and Golden Globes Attempts Cultural Rehab, with Dan Wootton and Andrew Klavan ｜ Ep. 469

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