The Megyn Kelly Show - May 07, 2025


Prince Harry's Hypocrisy in New BBC Interview, and Meghan's Fawning Podcast Appearance, with Dan Wootton | Ep. 1066


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 6 minutes

Words per Minute

171.43718

Word Count

11,372

Sentence Count

788

Misogynist Sentences

29

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

Prince Harry loses his fight for government-funded security when he is in the UK. Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's relationship continues to reach new lows, and Meghan has accused the royal family of actually wanting him dead.


Transcript

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:11.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. This is an extra for you.
00:00:16.820 After a years-long battle, Prince Harry lost his fight for government-funded security when he is in the UK.
00:00:24.880 Following the legal ruling, Prince Harry ran to the media, shock, and participated in a sit-down interview with the BBC,
00:00:33.120 claiming he does not see a world where he could bring Meghan and the kids back to the UK,
00:00:39.520 alleging, we know where the responsibility lies if something were to happen to his father's grandchildren,
00:00:46.940 while admitting he doesn't know how long his father, the King of England, has left.
00:00:52.100 He's been battling an undisclosed form of cancer.
00:00:55.640 Harry and Meghan continually reach new lows.
00:00:59.560 Here to walk us through the latest is Dan Wooden, host of Dan Wooden Outspoken.
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00:01:39.200 Dan, great to see you again. Welcome back.
00:01:41.740 And of course, it's on a note like this, sour, embittered, and woe is me.
00:01:48.940 Put it in perspective for us. What's he doing here?
00:01:51.340 Always, always. I mean, this is a shocking new low, Meghan, because amidst all of that,
00:01:57.820 he also went as far to suggest that the royal family actually wanted him dead.
00:02:04.340 So let's just step back and think about that for one moment, because on the one hand, he's saying,
00:02:10.960 I want reconciliation. I want to have a relationship with my brother again, even though he never wants
00:02:16.120 to speak to me again. I want to speak to my dad again. Yeah, he's probably dying, so I feel a little
00:02:21.540 bit bad about that. Then, in the same breath, he's saying, these guys want me to be unsafe.
00:02:29.720 Let me just show that. I have that little bit from the BBC interview. We have a bunch of thoughts,
00:02:34.840 but let me show that last one that he believes they want him dead.
00:02:38.940 I want history to repeat itself. I think there's a lot of other people out there,
00:02:42.880 the majority, that also don't want history to repeat itself. Through the disclosure process,
00:02:48.700 I've discovered that some people want history to repeat itself, which is pretty dark.
00:02:54.420 That's quite a statement. Who do you think that is?
00:02:56.620 I'm not going to share at this point. I know all the names of the people that were involved in this
00:03:02.080 process. Again, you have to question, why wasn't I put through the same risk management board that
00:03:09.200 everybody else was put through? The reason they won't pay for his ongoing security when he visits
00:03:15.220 the UK is because they want him dead, Dan. I know. This is now paranoia and delusion
00:03:21.720 on an actual terrifying scale. Because, Megan, what he is suggesting is that the royal family
00:03:28.380 is conspiring with the British government to make him unsafe, to see him die in an accident,
00:03:39.060 like his mother, Princess Diana, all because actually, this is where his argument gets really
00:03:45.180 weird. They secretly wanted to force him into returning to the UK. Trust me, Megan. Trust me.
00:03:52.100 You know I've covered this story up close for many years. No member of the royal family, not one,
00:03:58.740 not one member of the British royal family wants him back in the United Kingdom. And as for
00:04:04.360 reconciliation, my sources very close to Prince William say that his words were,
00:04:10.360 over my dead body. It's done. It's over. There were red lines. Harry crossed them. And the fact
00:04:19.340 that he is now trying to suggest that the royal family actually want him to die like Diana, well,
00:04:25.000 it's just another step too far. Like, why on earth would they reconcile at the same time as he's
00:04:30.480 putting out actually arguably the most crazy and explosive accusation yet?
00:04:37.020 Yes. Yes. And why would he want to reconcile with people who literally want him dead? I mean,
00:04:43.820 it doesn't make any sense. And so it isn't true. That's basically the rule. He, um, unfortunately,
00:04:50.500 it looks like we're going to be stuck with him because he said the following in SOT 42.
00:04:56.400 I can't see a world in which I would be bringing my wife and children back to the UK at this point.
00:05:03.080 Um, and the things that they, the things that they're going to miss is, well, everything,
00:05:08.600 you know, I love my country. I always have done, um, despite what some people in that country have
00:05:15.360 done. Um, so, you know, I, I miss, I miss the UK. I miss parts of the UK. Of course I do. And I think
00:05:22.880 that it's really quite sad that I won't be able to show, you know, my children, my homeland.
00:05:28.580 Oh, it's a stomach turning dad. And I love my country, you know, despite what some people
00:05:35.380 there have done, he's got so much anger. I mean, all I can think is that we reported the truth,
00:05:44.680 right? We were reported the truth about the behavior of his wife, his narcissistic wife,
00:05:52.200 Meghan Markle. Now, Meghan, remember at the time, the idea was that people like me were actually
00:05:58.880 somehow racist because we reported the fact that she was a bully, for example, reported the fact
00:06:04.080 that the late Queen Elizabeth II had called her out for her disgusting behavior, that Catherine had
00:06:09.720 actually confronted her at Kensington Palace about the way that she spoke to staff. That was all racism.
00:06:15.100 There was something about us Brits. We just didn't understand the American way. Well,
00:06:20.160 how on earth does Prince Harry now explain the fact that actually the bullying accusations are
00:06:25.780 piling up from Americans, from the woke Californians working at Archwell, that they're reported in
00:06:33.540 establishment pro-royal magazines like Vanity Fair or The Hollywood Reporter? None of this makes sense.
00:06:41.920 And the problem is Harry is now so isolated. He has ignored so many people for so long.
00:06:46.600 There's only one person who advises him, his wife. And she only cares about trying to protect her own
00:06:54.880 reputation. So all of this is crazy. But the idea that he thinks there is a way back by giving another
00:07:02.640 interview is what's nuts. Because I will say, Meghan, King Charles doesn't feel the same as Prince
00:07:08.300 William. There is a split between father and son on this. So William, when he is on the throne,
00:07:15.100 and very sadly, that will probably be sooner rather than later, given Charles is suffering from
00:07:23.160 cancer, which I believe to be incurable, although Buckingham Palace are saying that he's fighting on
00:07:31.760 and things are pretty good. And obviously, we know with medical advances, you can stay alive with
00:07:39.420 incurable cancer for some time. But the long term or even the medium term prognosis is not good.
00:07:45.880 And by the time William is on the throne, there is no way back. Meghan, he doesn't even want Harry
00:07:50.720 at his own coronation. So it's finished. But Charles is a different type of guy. He feels a lot of guilt
00:08:01.360 for Harry's upbringing. He knows that the war of the whales, which was obviously Diana versus Charles
00:08:09.140 and all of those TV interviews and tampon gate and then the death of Princess Diana. He knows that did
00:08:16.820 screw Harry up in a lot of ways. So Charles still feels this inherent guilt as a dad and was open
00:08:24.500 to some sort of rapprochement. But then Harry went and gave the interview to the BBC and it is back
00:08:31.920 to square one. Right. So he's the thing he's whining about now is that when he left the royal family
00:08:40.260 and his official role, they said, we're not going to be paying for your security when you come over
00:08:48.340 here. You know, you've left the you're not no longer working royal. So you're not going to get the
00:08:52.860 police force around you when you pay visits here. And Harry's argument to the BBC and in court was
00:08:59.360 I can never leave the royal family. I could leave as a working royal, but I am part of the royal family
00:09:05.000 and therefore I'm in danger and that they never did a review of my security status. They just yanked it
00:09:12.760 to try to force me. And you were saying this couldn't possibly be, but try to force me to stay
00:09:17.840 as a working royal because he said my threat level was the highest of anybody back in like 2020.
00:09:24.340 And then they revoked all my protection without even doing an additional security assessment,
00:09:31.040 proving in his mind they knew I was at risk. And while I left as a working royal, I never can leave
00:09:37.340 being a royal because as he said to the BBC, you know, I am who I am.
00:09:41.100 100%. And he wants to be treated like a former prime minister who will receive lifetime security
00:09:50.240 rights. So even as Charles, she was prime minister for six weeks. She receives security for the rest
00:09:56.060 of her life. He believes that that's what he deserves. Now, Meghan, in the negotiations after
00:10:02.600 Meg said at this thing called the Sandringham Summit, where all of the senior royals, the late
00:10:08.680 Queen Elizabeth II, King Charles, William, and their senior staff gathered, Harry was told point
00:10:14.900 blank, you will lose your security if you leave in this way. Yes, that is why the royals tried to
00:10:22.740 come to some type of arrangement with Harry. There were loads of ideas thrown around. At one point,
00:10:27.460 it was like, could we maybe move you to South Africa, a Commonwealth country for six months of the
00:10:32.860 year? What about making you the governor general of Australia? Is there some type of role for you in
00:10:38.280 Canada? But as soon as Meghan Markle made it absolutely clear that it was all about the
00:10:42.920 moolah, it was all about the big bucks, it was all about trading off the royal name. And you've got to
00:10:47.680 remember, she was lining up these deals, Meghan, when she was still the Duchess of Sussex. She was in
00:10:53.300 talks with Disney, she was in talks with the publishing companies, in talks with Netflix. So at that point,
00:10:59.560 the late Queen Elizabeth II, quite rightly, in my opinion, said, no, there is no half in,
00:11:04.060 half out. So you can go, you go without blessing, but you lose everything, and you do lose your
00:11:11.200 security. And you can imagine the difficulty for the British government, because if they were to fund
00:11:16.700 Prince Harry's security, that would also mean that there would be pressure for them to provide
00:11:22.400 security to other high net worth, famous individuals who come to the United Kingdom. Mark Zuckerberg,
00:11:28.520 Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and that doesn't happen in this country. Now, Harry has been very intellectually
00:11:36.040 dishonest, though, to suggest that there is no security for him. Every time he has come, King
00:11:41.460 Charles has offered him a lodging at, wait for it, Buckingham Palace. And guess what, Meghan?
00:11:48.040 Buckingham Palace is empty at the moment, right? Charles is at Clarence House, William is in Windsor,
00:11:53.980 so he could have the rum of Buckingham Palace. And if he was at Buckingham Palace,
00:11:59.060 he would receive full security. Guess what? Harry said no. He went to say with a posh,
00:12:06.440 rich friend and an eight million pound flat, it has been revealed, Meghan, that he ordered Deliveroo,
00:12:12.560 you know, Deliveroo, it's like a food order for food ordering service here, like Uber Eats or whatever.
00:12:17.180 Now, that goes against every form of security, if you're a member of the royal family. So he doesn't
00:12:25.300 really care. This is just something for Harry to do. He needs to have a battle. He needs to have a
00:12:32.260 mission. It's actually deeply sad, but I have zero sympathy for him because the fact that he is putting
00:12:38.160 his father through this in the final years of his life has a very, very sinister mirroring
00:12:46.200 of exactly what he did with Prince Philip. Do you remember that? The Oprah interview and all of
00:12:50.400 that when Prince Philip was on his deathbed. And then the late Queen Elizabeth II, because all of
00:12:56.220 the drama around Spare and the Netflix documentary and all of other, all of their other terrible
00:13:03.220 slights happened when the late Queen Elizabeth II was dying of blood cancer. It's like, you're never
00:13:09.080 going to learn. And there's no turning back. And Megan, there are members of the royal family
00:13:14.600 who believe that Harry's behavior hastened the death of the late Queen Elizabeth II.
00:13:21.920 Yes.
00:13:22.160 That is not something that they will easily forgive and forget.
00:13:25.620 I believe that too. That's what I say. I say those two killed the Queen. That's my opinion.
00:13:29.440 I saw that.
00:13:30.020 Yeah. She would have lived longer had they not ruined her last two years on earth with
00:13:35.380 their selfishness. So much strength. So now he lost at the trial court level on this push to make
00:13:42.140 the British royal family pay for his security when he goes to the UK. And then he appealed it and he's
00:13:47.040 just lost the appeal. And now he runs to the BBC. He's totally forlorn. He's like, can't believe I
00:13:53.260 lost this? And now he's got this warning for his cancer stricken father in SOT 43.
00:14:01.160 Once they realize that, you know, myself, my wife, my kids are happier outside of the institution,
00:14:07.880 then please just look at the facts. Look at the risks. Look at the threat. Look at the impact
00:14:13.740 that if anything was to happen to me, my wife, or my father's grandchildren, if anything was to
00:14:19.660 happen to them, look where the responsibility lies. You know?
00:14:24.980 I mean, what a manipulation. My father's grandchildren. They're going to die and it
00:14:32.280 will be his fault. That's what he was saying there.
00:14:35.140 It's gaslighting on a grand scale. But Megan, you know how when the palaces usually brief about
00:14:41.960 these types of stories, right, they're quite buttoned up and, you know, they try and keep
00:14:48.380 the language, the tone quite controlled. That's all out the window after this interview. They are
00:14:55.940 raging. They have had enough. So the accusations now against Harry are you're gaslighting. They've
00:15:03.060 literally used that term. And they've also described their behavior and especially the behavior of
00:15:08.500 Meghan Markle, by the way, who after that interview posted a picture of Harry on his own, sort of
00:15:13.580 looking for lawn with the two children. Although, of course, you don't see the faces of the children
00:15:18.560 and it looks like their bodies have been manipulated. So that's all really weird.
00:15:23.040 In their garden.
00:15:23.740 In Montecito.
00:15:24.880 Yeah, in the garden. That's it.
00:15:26.040 Walking away.
00:15:27.260 Do you know what the palace briefed? That is Meghan Markle giving us a giant FU. Now,
00:15:34.720 that is not the sort of language usually used by the royal family, but they'll fit up.
00:15:39.060 I thought it was usually bugger off.
00:15:42.080 Yes, that's true. I definitely want them to bugger off. It's just like, leave us alone,
00:15:49.000 go and do your own thing, enjoy your millions. What is this all about? And you can understand
00:15:54.880 from Charles's point of view, it's like, we've offered you Buckingham Palace, you'd get royal
00:15:58.960 security if there was a risk or if you were here for any type of formal event. But if you're at
00:16:03.920 Buckingham Palace, you're protected anyway, because of all of the natural security that
00:16:09.000 is provided at Buckingham Palace. What's your problem? The problem is he wants to be able
00:16:14.360 to swan into the country whenever he wants, not tell anyone and receive state funded security.
00:16:20.400 It just isn't going to happen. But the problem is, he's surrounded by yes men. He's surrounded
00:16:26.100 by people who have created this delusion in his head. And actually, he is now a pathetic
00:16:31.980 man, really, on so many levels. Because you also remember, Megan, and I was more personally
00:16:36.820 involved in this one, because I was actually going to give evidence against Harry. And he said it was
00:16:41.560 the fight of his life. He was going to take Rupert Murdoch and the tabloid newspapers to court,
00:16:48.260 and he was going to be the first man to do it. He was never going to settle. And this was the battle
00:16:52.360 of his life versus the sun and news of the world. And he was going to be the guy to bring down
00:16:57.640 Rupert Murdoch. Well, guess what? The day the trial was meant to start, he folded and he folded
00:17:02.820 for a big sum. He settled. So then he says, this security case is the fight of my life. This is the
00:17:09.160 battle of my life. But he's lost. So what now? What now? The problem is, there is nothing. He has
00:17:16.380 no focus. He has no job. He's trapped in a very unhappy marriage with a narcissistic woman who is now
00:17:23.900 wearing the trousers in the relationship because she's the moneymaker. Harry isn't making any
00:17:29.960 money. She's the one that is now going to commercialize the children, pimp them out on
00:17:34.420 social media, even though Prince Harry has said that social media is a killing ground for children.
00:17:39.580 And so he's just got nothing. It's really sad that someone who on the surface has everything,
00:17:46.660 you know, I mean, look at his life. He's like a bored housewife who's looking for drama because he's
00:17:51.640 not busy enough and he's not obviously spending enough time with his children or he might find
00:17:56.600 that fulfilling. But yeah, he's looking to create drama. You can see it in like the fights that he's
00:18:01.760 picking. He went on to say that he could forgive the race allegations that he made. He and his wife,
00:18:11.800 Megan, made both to Oprah and in their Netflix documentary. I use that term very loosely, documentary.
00:18:18.440 Um, he could forgive what happened on the racial front, but this thing about taking his security
00:18:23.540 away and like trying in his view to have him killed, that's a bridge too far. Here he is in
00:18:28.480 stop 44. There are decisions that have been made. There are things that have happened
00:18:33.460 since 2016, especially throughout my whole life, but let's just stick since 2016. There are things
00:18:39.440 that have happened that I can now forgive. I have moved past that. I can forgive my family's
00:18:44.020 involvement and my father, my brother, and my stepmother. I can forgive. I can forgive the
00:18:51.380 press to a large extent as well for so many things that have happened. What I'm struggling
00:18:55.600 to forgive and what I will probably always struggle to forgive, um, is that a decision that was made in
00:19:03.200 2020 that affects my every single day. And that is knowingly putting me and my family in harm's way.
00:19:13.440 Okay, Dan, how does it affect his every single day? We, we've seen his home. We've seen his garden.
00:19:22.400 We've seen their extravagant lifestyle. They're, they want us to believe they're living their best
00:19:27.360 lives out there. How does him not having exactly the security he wants in the UK when he goes to
00:19:34.200 the UK affect his every single day to where this is unforgivable, but his family allegedly being a
00:19:40.680 bunch of racists against his babies. That's fine. Totally. It's completely insane. And the fact that
00:19:47.280 he is asking for forgiveness is the most hilarious thing because actually the people who he needs to
00:19:55.100 apologize to Megan, uh, the British people who he claimed were all racist. Remember post-Brexit in
00:20:03.980 the Netflix documentary and specifically King Charles and Catherine, the princess of Wales,
00:20:09.980 who he claimed were the royal racist. Do you remember that after the Oprah Winfrey interview,
00:20:14.880 this witch hunt began, then they leaked the names to that very odd little guy,
00:20:20.220 Omar Scobie, who sort of looks a bit like Michael Jackson. And he put out there that they were the
00:20:26.820 royal racist. And then Prince Harry goes and does an interview with his best mate, Tom Bradby on Woke
00:20:33.220 ITV, as I call it. And Tom Bradby says, well, what about these racism allegations? And Harry says,
00:20:38.040 what racism allegations? Right. That was just made up by the media. So it's like the guy is living in
00:20:45.660 actually quite a concerning dream world. There is no sense that he has anchored to any type of
00:20:53.420 reality. And the fact that he's sort of saying, I can forgive you. I can forgive the British media
00:20:59.180 for what you are the one that needs to apologize. And actually that interview could have been very
00:21:04.060 different. As I say, not with William, William's done. William and Catherine are done with Harry.
00:21:08.800 There's, there's no going back there, but the interview could have been very different.
00:21:12.080 If Harry had offered some type of apology in that interview to Charles and the stress that he put
00:21:17.560 him through and said, look, I'm just going to take this out of the media and I want to reconcile
00:21:23.500 privately. But you know, Megan, the distrust now between the royal family and Prince Harry and Megan
00:21:29.960 is off the scale. Like there are serious suspicions that they were actually trying to record
00:21:37.400 conversations, even when they returned to the United Kingdom for the late queen's funeral.
00:21:43.320 And I know for a fact that King Charles and Prince William spoke about this and decided that they would
00:21:50.360 not ever be in any type of confined space on their own with Prince Harry without the other royal in
00:21:58.880 attendance. Because William and Charles were so nervous that Harry would create some type of lie that
00:22:05.640 would become a case of their word versus his. And so what they thought is at least if we're both
00:22:12.100 there, we're both there, we can back the other one up. But come on, that's a relationship that is just
00:22:17.620 completely broken down. Completely broken down.
00:22:19.960 No, no. You do have to worry that he's just taping them or if he's not taping them, just going to use it
00:22:26.360 as fodder for his next book, Spare 2 or his next Netflix special or his next Spotify deal once the current
00:22:35.000 spigot runs out. So yeah, understandably, they don't have any desire to talk to him one on one. He's made it
00:22:42.180 so that it's not possible, which is why this next soundbite is just so cynical. He knows exactly the position
00:22:49.720 he's put them in. Here it is, Sat 45.
00:22:55.180 There have been so many disagreements, differences between me and some of my family.
00:23:04.620 This current situation that has been ongoing for five years with regard to human life and safety is the
00:23:13.020 sticking point. It is the only thing that's left. Of course, some members of my family will never
00:23:20.440 forgive me for writing a book. Of course, they will never forgive me for lots of things. But, you know,
00:23:29.920 there is... I would love reconciliation with my family. There's no point in continuing to fight
00:23:41.020 anymore. As I said, life is precious. I don't know how much longer my father has. You know,
00:23:48.420 he won't speak to me because of this security stuff. But it would be nice to reconcile.
00:23:59.200 Oh, how about that, Dan?
00:24:00.980 It's delusional. It's totally delusional. Because what you have to think, Nagan, is that there were
00:24:11.500 loads of points along the way where there could have been a full reconciliation. But there was
00:24:17.840 particular red lines that Harry was warned about very directly. So from King Charles's perspective,
00:24:23.800 it was don't come for Camilla. Just leave Camilla alone. And from William's perspective, it was don't
00:24:32.860 come for my wife. Do not come for Catherine. You'll be making a big mistake. And what did he do? He went
00:24:39.940 for Camilla and Catherine in spare. And actually, he even released private WhatsApp messages between
00:24:46.360 Meghan Markle and Catherine in the book to try and prove that Catherine is some type of bully,
00:24:50.440 which is a ludicrous claim. I mean, if you know anything about Catherine, it's like she's a very
00:24:57.120 sweet, softly, sobering person. She doesn't like getting into rows with anyone. And Meghan,
00:25:02.640 just look at the track record, right? We've seen Catherine in public life now for two decades.
00:25:07.300 Have you ever heard about her fallout with anyone? Like anyone?
00:25:11.160 She's the picture of class.
00:25:13.320 Yeah, Meghan, there's like this long list of people who she falls out with, from her own family
00:25:19.100 to her personal assistance. So Harry had all of these warnings. There were ways for him to still
00:25:25.540 come back. But unfortunately, he's right when he says that William will, well, he's talking about
00:25:31.020 William, that William will never forgive him for writing the book. And that's not a surprise,
00:25:36.380 because remember, it wasn't just Catherine that he came for. He also made William out to be some type
00:25:41.580 of violent bully. So it is unforgettable. And unfortunately, Harry now has to deal with the
00:25:48.580 consequences of his action. You made a lot of money. That money was meant to give you the freedom.
00:25:55.440 So go and live your life. Go and live your life in your 16-bathroom Montecito mansion. But you just know
00:26:03.760 that actually he's yearning to find a reason to be back in the United Kingdom, Meghan. And one of the
00:26:09.700 issues is that he is now so ostracized from every single friendship group that had nothing to do
00:26:15.980 with Meghan Markle. And she is a manipulative person. So while I don't, you know, I'm not one
00:26:22.040 of these people who says, oh, woe is me, poor Harry, because actually he allowed himself to be
00:26:27.620 manipulated. But what she has done is taken away any of the people who he could have trusted to confide
00:26:35.960 at a time like this. It's really true. It's his school friends, his army mates. It's the old
00:26:41.380 courtiers. It's like what they say, you know, like coercive control. If this were a man doing it to a
00:26:47.400 woman, we'd see it very clearly where if you have an abusive husband, suddenly the wife is detached
00:26:53.520 from all of her family and is sending emails saying, I don't want to see you anymore. Don't bother me.
00:26:57.740 And then also detached from all of her friends. And he isolates her to the point where he can control
00:27:03.660 her. I mean, really just look at the reverse. Like that's what she effectively got him to do
00:27:08.380 to alienate his entire family, all of his friends. Yeah. And then just to add one other point to it,
00:27:15.280 you watch her and you watch him. I mean, I didn't really know this until this whole
00:27:19.160 past few years. He's not smart. This is not a smart young man. And she is smart. She is very smart
00:27:26.260 and she's cunning. And the more I've seen of her, the more I've seen of him, I feel like it was
00:27:30.360 shooting fish in a barrel for her. Oh my God. He stood no chance when this woman put her designs
00:27:35.700 on him. She had him from the word hello. Well, Megan, you obviously revealed that to the world,
00:27:41.560 didn't you? With the fact that she had the mood board, the mood board with Prince Harry on.
00:27:46.640 And we know that she was so desperate to snare Harry. And yes, remember it was Princess Diana who
00:27:53.780 described Harry as not being a particularly smart guy. And so this is the problem.
00:27:58.940 He likes to think he is, but actually he doesn't really have the intellectual capability to deal
00:28:04.880 with all of this. And he was very well protected in the royal family for a long time. He had a load
00:28:10.800 of good people around him who made sure that he got through these scrapes. And all of a sudden,
00:28:15.960 he doesn't. He's totally ostracized, totally isolated, totally on his own. His only friends
00:28:22.160 now, Megan, are the joint friends, the showbiz friends who Megan Markle controls. So I'm not
00:28:29.880 disagreeing with the fact, I absolutely believe there is a degree of coercive control. There is a
00:28:34.200 degree of emotional abuse. And what is particularly shocking at the moment, and if you just juxtapose
00:28:39.560 how she looks in these interviews, like the cat who's got the cream, you know, my confession,
00:28:47.000 my confession is that I'm the happiest I've ever been. I'm the happiest I've ever been. Life is so
00:28:51.900 good. Cut to Harry on the BBC, totally devastated. And there was actually an amazing moment, you know,
00:29:00.180 when he turned up at the Time 100. It wasn't the party that you were at, Megan, you know,
00:29:05.760 the summit during the day. And he was her bag carrier, right? He was her bag carrier. She had
00:29:11.620 forced him to attend with her as her bag carrier. Yet she didn't go with him to the Legends of Aviation
00:29:20.940 event that he was at the next night, because it's one way traffic in their relationship.
00:29:25.080 But there's a key moment when he leaves the car, and she walks in front of him,
00:29:33.220 almost pushes him out the way, goes to shake the hand of the person who was coming to greet them.
00:29:38.520 Now, if you were following royal protocol, which is obviously the protocol that Harry followed for
00:29:43.040 his entire life, as the blood royal, he would be the person who got to shake the hand first. Now,
00:29:49.660 I understand as Americans, you can say that's all stupid and everything. And in lots of ways it is.
00:29:54.340 But that was the life that Harry was brought up in. And you just see his face, the color drain from
00:30:00.160 his face. And it's like this moment of realization. I'm now the spare to Meghan Markle.
00:30:06.540 Oh my God, you're right. I was still worried about being the spare to Prince Harry,
00:30:10.580 to Prince William. But now I'm the spare to my own wife.
00:30:15.460 I had never considered that, but you are 100% right. That's exactly what he's done.
00:30:21.420 It's like he needed to repeat the same pathology somehow. And she is meanwhile trying to have her
00:30:28.220 cake and eat it too, because she's putting out this perfectly curated life on her stupid Netflix
00:30:35.180 special, you know, with her. Oh, you know, I just had like just the perfect bath salts and just the
00:30:40.440 perfect tea and just the perfect pretzel. And you know, the, the, the fruit spread that takes
00:30:46.440 eight hours to prepare. That's just what I do before school. It's kind of mom. I am.
00:30:51.120 Then she meanders over to this podcast of this woman who created it cosmetics, Jamie Kern Lima.
00:30:57.280 And I knew there was something weird about this woman. I interviewed her, Dan, when I was at NBC
00:31:02.280 about creating IT cosmetics. And she did have the high, I can't even do it. My voice is too low, but
00:31:08.540 she had the high squeaky voice a little, but she's really leaning in now in her little podcast with
00:31:16.220 Megan. She's gone next octave up and the two of them have the weirdest dynamic. And so in this podcast,
00:31:24.600 Megan does her perfectly curated life thing, but she's allegedly wearing no makeup. Meanwhile, she's got
00:31:31.020 like the perfect blowout, you know, and like she's completely camera ready, except she didn't put eye
00:31:36.000 makeup on. And she also is pretending that she she's crying. And we did a zero in, like we zoomed in just
00:31:43.280 to see there isn't a tear in sight. Dan, look, look at this. I invite the viewers to take a closeup.
00:31:51.540 Look at this. Where's the tear? There's nothing there. Look, she just, it's an actor's trick.
00:31:58.840 She just keeps wiping and wiping and wiping. So we think she has a heart.
00:32:06.700 Oh my God, Megan. She has this really famous thing where she says one tap left eye and she can
00:32:14.820 make herself cry on demand. And it's a really good thing to have as an actress, but you're completely
00:32:20.780 right. There were no tears there. And this podcast with Jamie Kern Lima was absolutely car crash. I
00:32:28.260 mean, Jamie Kern Lima is actually a very successful woman, self-made billionaire. However, she is a fame
00:32:34.480 whore because, you know, she first found the fame by appearing on the first series of Big Brother
00:32:40.560 in the United States. But she's had that totally scrubbed from the internet because now she believes
00:32:47.280 that she's the new Oprah Winfrey. And the problem is, you realize these are the types of people
00:32:51.780 Megan Markle is surrounding herself with. And none of them are prepared to ever give her a dose of
00:32:58.300 reality. Like I, for my sins, listened to the new episode today of Confessions of a Female Founder.
00:33:05.160 You know, she calls everyone female founders. And I know you find that very ridiculous.
00:33:09.320 And it's with this British woman called Hannah Mendoza, who actually created a brand called
00:33:15.700 Clever Blends and Megan invested in her company. But the podcast is meant to be Hannah Mendoza's
00:33:21.340 story, right? But Megan spends the entire time talking about what it was like for her to invest
00:33:27.940 in this woman, Hannah Mendoza.
00:33:29.580 That's all she does. She only has on people who she gave money to so they can say how amazing
00:33:34.420 she is.
00:33:34.920 It's like she's her boss. So like Megan is Hannah Mendoza's boss, effectively. So clearly
00:33:41.120 she's keeping to the script. But there's this really awful moment where Megan turns into the
00:33:46.720 mean girl that we know she all is. And she mocks Hannah Mendoza, who's a bit of an earth mother
00:33:52.140 type, for turning up to this interview, this first interview when she gave her money in Birkenstocks
00:33:59.580 and a satin jumpsuit. And it's like, Megan's laughing at her about it. It's very, very
00:34:05.400 bizarre. And unfortunately, Megan is now, well, maybe it's fortunate for us, because Megan
00:34:10.720 is now the executive producer of all of all of all of these works. So we see the real
00:34:15.640 her. It's like an oh my god, you made me laugh so much with Maureen and in your version of
00:34:21.320 this thing, which is absolutely fantastic. You know, the moment with Mindy Carling, when
00:34:26.300 like, Mindy Carling is clearly terrified of Megan Markle, right?
00:34:31.120 It's clearly. It's simmering.
00:34:33.520 And so this is the thing. Megan Markle is only now surrounded by people who will tell her what
00:34:40.980 she wants to hear. And so again, the level of delusion is off the scale. But just remember,
00:34:48.000 Jamie Kern-Lima sits down with Megan Markle for 90 minutes, 90 minutes, talks about what a
00:34:53.840 wonderful businesswoman she is, what a wonderful friend she is. Not one question, Megan, about
00:34:59.180 what about these bullying allegations, right? Surely there now must be something in it. The
00:35:05.620 fact that your staff in Hollywood are also questioning this. At the very least, I mean,
00:35:12.120 I know she's her friend, and I know it's a different type of format. But at the very least,
00:35:15.440 she could have said, look, were they just lies? Were they people who were coming for you unfairly?
00:35:21.460 Right. But remember, we now live in this sort of dual world, don't we? Where there is the truth,
00:35:27.400 and there is what celebrities can put out to be the truth via their chosen platforms. And obviously,
00:35:33.900 there are great things about that in the independent space, because we can also immediately
00:35:38.720 analyze. And that's what we do and point out, this is not true. This is not true. This is not true.
00:35:42.680 But I do just want to remind people, Megan, for all of the times that Megan Markle says that she's
00:35:49.480 happy in her relationship with Prince Harry. And there's this moment where Jamie Kern-Lima says,
00:35:53.820 will you stay with Prince Harry forever? Will you be married to him forever? And her voice goes up
00:35:59.460 two octaves. And she says, yes, because she's lying. Because Megan, and this is something I'd reported
00:36:04.760 for years. I think we spoke about it. But she is shopping the post-divorce book to publishers
00:36:11.840 already. And if people thought that was some type of conspiracy theory, though, I always believe
00:36:16.520 conspiracy theories come true these days. Vanity Fair confirmed that in their big post-op.
00:36:22.900 Wait, that she's shopping her post-divorce memoir? What?
00:36:26.140 Yes, 100%. 100%. And in the Jamie Kern-Lima interview, she asks, will you write another
00:36:33.600 book? She doesn't say, will you write a memoir? She says, will you write another book? And Megan
00:36:37.740 says, a lot of people ask if I want to write my memoir, but I haven't lived enough life yet.
00:36:44.340 And what is going on there is that Megan doesn't want to have to write a book now, which would
00:36:50.720 obviously include loads and loads of positive stuff about Prince Harry, because she is preparing
00:36:57.880 for the big payday, which she knows will be a massive payout to keep her going for years and
00:37:04.620 years. I mean, Harry, remember, got well over 20 million for his three book deal. And that is what
00:37:11.980 she is proposing to do. And as I say, this is something I had reported for years and years and
00:37:15.680 years, but Vanity Fair included it in their recent profile of Meghan Markle. Katie Nichol,
00:37:23.200 who is the royal correspondent for Vanity Fair, is very clear that they weren't coming into the
00:37:28.240 profile. The editor of Vanity Fair didn't have some type of agenda. Remember, they'd previously put
00:37:32.700 Meghan Markle on that famous cover, Wild About Harry. There was no agenda going into this profile.
00:37:38.460 What they discovered was pretty horrifying. So Harry has been warned. It's like, mate,
00:37:45.520 get out. Seriously, Vanity Fair is reporting that your wife is shopping to publishers, a post-divorce
00:37:53.880 book where she's going to throw you under the bus. Get out. Seriously.
00:37:59.220 Wait a minute. Why would she be doing that? Because that would really show, you know, the crack in the
00:38:05.500 facade. Like, I have trouble believing that because she right now wants to maintain the facade and wants
00:38:11.060 us all to believe that it's perfect in Montecito, you know, welcome to Montecito time where we have
00:38:15.960 champagne with fruit dollops inside of it at all hours of the day. But anyway, why? So why would
00:38:22.380 she risk that news coming out by actively shopping? You know, it doesn't make sense to me.
00:38:28.060 Well, she's a deeply manipulative woman, number one. And what she always has is a number of business
00:38:33.360 contacts who are working on her behalf and just sizing up the potential future scene. And certainly
00:38:41.360 there have been real bumps in the road when it comes to the marriage over the past couple of years.
00:38:46.880 And remember, there was also a time when it didn't necessarily look as if Netflix was going to
00:38:52.040 stand by her. They already lost the Spotify deal where she was described as effing rifters.
00:38:57.200 And yeah, totally. I mean, this is the problem, Megan. Sometimes these things that I end up reporting
00:39:02.360 about Meghan Markle, they do sound too crazy to be true. And so there was that moment when it
00:39:09.200 appeared within the Vanity Fair profile. I was absolutely delighted because I was like,
00:39:13.520 okay, this is good. You know, like, it's not that I'm not the only one in the mainstream media
00:39:19.200 necessarily, but I'm like, no, this is good because they did not come into this with an agenda. I think
00:39:25.300 it's absolutely fair to say now that I do have an agenda where I'm not pro Harry and Meghan. You know,
00:39:30.340 they totally tried to ruin my life and destroy me because I revealed the truth about their exit from
00:39:36.720 the royal family. And that's something we've gone into previously and we don't have to do it again
00:39:41.140 today. But I think it's absolutely fair to say, you know, I'm not a fan of these two, right? But
00:39:46.380 Vanity Fair, they went in with a completely clean slate just to find out what the state of their
00:39:51.420 relationship was like. Now, in fairness, Vanity Fair also reported that for the moment,
00:39:56.680 the marriage is on track and they're still very physically attracted to each other.
00:40:01.000 I think that is something that doesn't quite tell the full story, which is that Harry knows
00:40:10.040 that this marriage is all he has. And he also knows that if the marriage were to end while the
00:40:17.680 children were still young because of the way the law works in California is he would not be able to
00:40:23.400 take those children back to California. So, of course, he is going to try and make marriage work.
00:40:28.420 But the idea that this is some sort of happy union is for the birds. He's a very troubled guy. He's a
00:40:38.300 very troubled soul. People are very worried about him. But the problem is the idea that his brother
00:40:44.460 is going to run in and save him this time is just unfortunately not going to happen.
00:40:50.400 Not true. Okay. Two things. Here, indeed, is the piece from the Vanity Fair cover story from February
00:40:56.680 2025 inside Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's big business ambitions five years after their royal
00:41:01.580 exit. Quote, a few years ago, a rumor began circulating around the book world about another
00:41:06.960 perspective project for Meghan. This story, which a person with knowledge confirms the broad details
00:41:11.720 of, was that Meghan's team had a conversation with a publishing house to gauge interest in the idea
00:41:16.960 for a potential book. The concept, for which there was no written or formal proposal,
00:41:21.660 was post-divorce. Not a general book on life after marital dissolution or one about Meghan's past
00:41:28.000 experience. This book, this notion of a book, really, might center on a post-Harry divorce. Not that there
00:41:35.260 was actually one in the works. Just if this, a priori divorce, ever came to be, would this publisher
00:41:44.740 theoretically be interested in a book that took place in its aftermath? Unbelievable. I totally
00:41:49.460 miss this. Another source with knowledge says, if that's true to any degree, she would have been
00:41:54.140 approached and not vice versa. No offer was ever made and no manuscript was produced. After all,
00:42:00.860 there was no divorce. But that doesn't mean they didn't shop the interest on what, you know,
00:42:06.960 there would be in a book. It's absolutely true. And actually, Vanity Fair sums up pretty well how it
00:42:11.500 works. You know, it's like, would you be interested in this? Maybe. But, you know,
00:42:16.920 Meghan screwed it all up now anyway, because she had Ari Emanuel at WME trying to save her career.
00:42:22.540 And he got so frustrated because she was not listening to his advice. So this is the problem.
00:42:28.360 You know, it's a long, long line of disappointed Meghan Markle, uh, helpers, fans, friends, staff,
00:42:33.540 etc. Here. Um, so contrast all of that with the way she talks about H and their relationship. Um,
00:42:43.540 here is it, is it, is it 46 or 47? Lauren, you choose. Go for it. 47.
00:42:49.960 Are you in love now more than ever, more than you've ever been?
00:42:53.440 Yeah. I mean, you have to imagine at the beginning, everyone is like butterflies. And,
00:42:59.340 and then we immediately went into the trenches together. Yeah. Right out of the gate, like six
00:43:07.480 months into dating. So now seven years later, when you have a little bit of breathing space,
00:43:13.280 you can just enjoy each other in a new way. And that's why I feel like it's more of a honeymoon
00:43:18.440 period for us now. Yeah. Do you think you'll be married forever? Yes. I have a letter. He's also
00:43:28.200 a fox. If you haven't noticed, my husband's very, very handsome, but he's all right. His heart is
00:43:33.500 even more beautiful. I love that your eyes are sparkling right now. Oh, oh my God. Dan,
00:43:41.220 I threw up in my mouth. Yes. Yes. Dan, when you do interviews on your show, do you do the,
00:43:46.480 the Jamie Kern Lima reactions? Hmm. Ah, yes. Oh my God. There's something wrong with her.
00:43:54.260 What? Wow. Who communicates like that? She's that she's the only thing saving Megan Markle
00:43:58.640 because between the two, she's even weirder, but Megan Markle, this, uh, this is a tell. Okay.
00:44:04.740 This is a tell. It's the same way on Valentine's day. You see people post like my rock, my life,
00:44:12.500 my life partner, the person who saved me. Guaranteed that guy's cheating on her and she
00:44:18.000 knows it. Like nobody does those over the time. Like crazy. Right. It's like maybe here or there,
00:44:25.000 but like, this is how she always tries to sound in talking. Like, and he's a fox. Like there's
00:44:31.140 something wrong. That seems obvious. Oh, totally. I mean, there was nothing at all genuine about her
00:44:37.660 response to Prince Harry. Then she's someone who very much reacts to what's in the media. I mean,
00:44:43.120 that was another big life in the interview. She claimed she didn't look at the media or social
00:44:46.340 media, but everything she does, everything she posts is in direct reaction. So for example,
00:44:52.380 even the new birthday poach post with Archie in his pajamas, which is all a bit odd, makes the point
00:44:59.360 that we held the birthday party a week ago. And that's because people like me are saying,
00:45:04.760 what the hell? Prince Harry is going to Vegas on the day of his son's birthday. What's that about?
00:45:11.800 But I did just want to pick up on one thing that she said in that interview, in that clip that we
00:45:16.320 just saw, because I think it is the thing that has really shocked royal sources. Did you hear her say
00:45:22.960 that when she was first with Harry and she's talking about her time in the royal family,
00:45:26.900 we were in the trenches. Now remember, we have just celebrated the 80th anniversary of VE Day.
00:45:34.140 In the United Kingdom. Now in the trenches, that's obviously not referring to World War II. It's
00:45:38.400 referring to World War I. And when you think about what those soldiers went through, my great
00:45:44.560 grandfather was in the trenches in World War I. He did survive, but his life was ruined, Megan,
00:45:50.720 because they were gassed. They lived in the most unimaginable conditions. And the fact that this woman
00:45:58.480 is so narcissistic that she can genuinely compare living in Kensington Palace, right?
00:46:07.240 Then moving to Windsor Castle after a multi-million dollar renovation to being in the trenches. I'm
00:46:15.900 sorry, you're a sick human being. There's no way you can be helped because it's the opposite of what
00:46:24.480 someone who cares about public service or what someone who wants to be royal should do. And I
00:46:30.380 just compare and contrast with the members of the royal family who we've seen over the past couple
00:46:34.520 of days be with these veterans of World War II because knowing full well, they're not going to be
00:46:40.640 there, Megan, for the next big celebration of VE Day in 10 years, because all of these veterans are now
00:46:47.780 in their late 90s or early 100s. And we saw Prince George and King Charles.
00:46:52.240 I saw that. Prince William brought Prince George and Prince George was asking situationally
00:46:57.200 appropriate questions of the veterans. Like they were thoughtful and sensitive. They were wise not to
00:47:03.400 bring Prince Louis, but the next in line after Prince William was so appropriate and thoughtful and
00:47:10.860 caring. They look great as they always do. They seem like genuinely good people. And she looks like
00:47:16.920 the narcissist that she obviously is. Yeah. And it's, don't you think it's odd? I mean,
00:47:22.340 Megan, I know you are very careful with, with your children, but don't you think it's odd that,
00:47:26.880 that Megan Markle talks this big game and Prince Harry talks this big game about the evils of social
00:47:32.500 media. And then they've decided to post Prince Archie in his pajamas. I mean, to me, that's really
00:47:38.800 weird. It's, it's a really odd decision. She's, she really needs to make a decision. It's like,
00:47:44.580 she wants, she loves being the mother of a prince and a princess. Like she loves that so much.
00:47:51.240 And she knows that people in the UK especially would love to see them. You know, they have a
00:47:56.240 connection to the Royal family. They don't like her, but I don't think anybody would hold it against
00:48:00.540 her children. They'd like to see the lineage. And they're technically, I guess, in the line of
00:48:04.200 succession. If many, many bad things would happen. Um, but so she just teases them, you know,
00:48:09.600 it's like, here's just the back of his head, even though she's making public figures out of them
00:48:14.320 because she talks about them all the time. And Harry uses them. My, my father's grandchildren
00:48:20.300 as a cudgel. So they're happy to use these children at every turn, whether it's to make money
00:48:25.260 or to make threats, but just to tease, you know, because what, I guess we can't see their face
00:48:30.000 unless it's on Netflix, in which case it's fine. Cause they do put out pictures of them every so
00:48:34.320 once in a while. I mean, it's really bizarre. They've shown their faces before. So, so yeah,
00:48:39.580 yeah, exactly. Really bizarre. And this is actually going to end up becoming a political
00:48:44.100 issue in the United Kingdom, Megan, because there is now overwhelming public support for Prince Harry
00:48:51.700 and Meghan Markle to be stripped of their HRH titles. And there are also serious question marks
00:48:58.060 about how on earth can Prince Archie and Prince Italy, but remain in the line of succession.
00:49:03.000 They are there. Now, remember the late Queen Elizabeth II, she used to hate Prince William
00:49:08.700 riding around with his family in helicopters because he'd do it. He'd go to, he'd go to one
00:49:15.140 of the, cause you know, he was a pilot and he loved it. So he'd go to one of the castles and he would
00:49:20.120 pick up all three children and Catherine in a helicopter, or they would fly together on the same
00:49:26.680 plane. The late Queen Elizabeth II was infuriated by it for good reason, Megan, because actually
00:49:31.860 we are only one tragic accident away from the end of the monarchy because the British public simply
00:49:38.960 would not accept King Harry and Queen Megan. But that is where, that is, you know, when Prince
00:49:47.660 William takes his, and look, I'm a big fan of Prince William, right? I, on the whole think he's
00:49:52.440 doing a really good job. He is highly irresponsible, allowing his entire family to continue traveling
00:49:59.620 on the same plane because King Harry, because, because remember once William is on the throne
00:50:07.680 and before George has children, you know, it is, it's, it's William, George, Charlotte, Louis,
00:50:15.940 then Prince Harry. So the whole idea and why the late Queen Elizabeth II would never be on a plane
00:50:22.520 with Charles is to protect the line of succession. Now there are loads of other reasons why Louis,
00:50:30.120 sorry, why Archie and Lilibet should not be in the line of succession. Obviously we love our American
00:50:36.000 cousins, but you've got to admit it's pretty weird. There being a potential future Queen of England who
00:50:41.740 has this hugely American accent, if you're to believe Megan's very odd Instagram videos, which I'm
00:50:48.400 not sure I do, but, but if you do believe that is Lilibet's real voice, she has a broad American
00:50:54.040 accent. She has a father who says that he's, she's never going to be able to come to the country at
00:51:00.040 all. And she hasn't met her grandfather, the King. Why on earth should that person be in the line of
00:51:08.680 succession? So this is potentially going to become a political hot potato. Politicians in the United
00:51:14.520 Kingdom have avoided talking about this for some time, but for example, Nigel Farage just yesterday
00:51:19.760 at the VE day celebrations, and you'll know Megan, he is now the bookies favorite to be the next prime
00:51:26.180 minister of the United Kingdom. And he was highly critical of Prince Harry and that interview. So I
00:51:33.500 think increasingly there is going to be more pressure put on the King to do something about
00:51:38.760 this. The problem is there has to be an act of parliament to actually remove the titles from Harry.
00:51:43.900 Wow. And to remove Harry and the children from the line of succession, it would have to go to
00:51:48.460 parliament. Well, what about the use of HRH? Because we saw in her interview with this Jamie Kern Lima
00:51:55.220 that they were celebrating what, what a thoughtful person Megan was that she had sent this Jamie a gift
00:52:02.300 basket. And we saw in the picture of it, her stationary, it says her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Sussex.
00:52:11.880 And it's got a little crown insignia on it. She loves being a Royal. She just doesn't want to do
00:52:19.400 any of the work. I mean, this is disgusting, right? This is truly disgusting because
00:52:25.240 the Sandrinham summit was an agreement with Queen Elizabeth II. So you would think if nothing else,
00:52:32.380 given all of their public posturing over how brilliant the late Queen was, you would think
00:52:36.320 Harry and Meghan would respect that agreement, right? And that agreement was very clear.
00:52:41.060 What the late Queen wanted to avoid was that situation. Do you remember before Diana died,
00:52:46.420 after her divorce, she was stripped of her HRH title and she lost her security. And after Diana's
00:52:53.900 death, there was a massive backlash. It was the closest that the late Queen had come to ever losing
00:52:59.660 the support of the public because it all just felt a bit cruel, right? Why did Diana have to
00:53:05.120 lose her HRH title when she was still the mother of a future King? And so in this case, the late Queen
00:53:12.980 thought, well, maybe we can do this differently. We won't strip Harry and Meghan of HRH, but we will
00:53:19.300 have a hard and fast agreement where they will just never use the titles. They will never use them.
00:53:25.060 And it wasn't just that they would not use them for commercial purposes. The agreement,
00:53:29.300 and I've gone back, it's still on the Buckingham Palace website, was that they would never use the
00:53:33.180 titles at all. Yeah, because that's what they're claiming. Oh, no, the agreement was that we wouldn't
00:53:38.020 use them professionally, but this was a personal gift. That's a lie. The agreement was they would
00:53:43.160 never use the titles at all. Also though, Meghan, don't you have to be a really messed up individual
00:53:50.580 to send your mate? By the way, she literally just sent a few punnets of ice cream, right? I mean,
00:53:56.480 nice thought. I'd appreciate you sending me some punnets of ice cream. Very nice. But how weird to send
00:54:02.680 a few punnets of ice cream and sign it off HRH. I mean, look, she's a messed up human being. You've
00:54:10.460 got to admit it. I'm going to send you ice cream and I'm going to sign it. The Time 100s,
00:54:15.640 Megan Kelly, Dr. Megan Kelly, thanks to my curious doctor. That's just how I sign my things. I just
00:54:22.940 want to make sure my titles are all properly accounted. It's so self-aggrandizing. But at
00:54:28.460 the same time, if anything they've said about the royal family is true, anything, you wouldn't want
00:54:34.240 those titles. You wouldn't want the link. The people who didn't care that I was suicidal wanted
00:54:38.560 to kill myself and basically wanted me to do it. The people who tried to have my husband killed,
00:54:42.600 who my husband is now saying would like history to repeat itself so that we could die. The people
00:54:47.820 who were too racist to love my baby and really concerned about how dark his skin was going to
00:54:52.720 be. And I used a huge platform with Oprah Winfrey to tell the world about how the people who live in
00:54:58.560 the country that I think is racist because of Brexit. Those are the people to whom I am HRH,
00:55:03.860 Duchess of Sussex. Like you'd want nothing to do with these titles.
00:55:07.200 Totally. And this is the problem. And I think William has always been very conscious of this
00:55:11.020 because you know, William's a little bit woke, right? He's a little bit woke. He's into some
00:55:15.500 of those woke things. And he knows that you can only ever go so far down that path. Because
00:55:22.580 if you really start turning into an activist, when you're a member of the royal family, what you are
00:55:29.360 basically suggesting is that the whole organization has to go. And that also means you lose your whole
00:55:35.120 fortune. And Harry, for example, has opened up the conversation of slavery reparations. Okay,
00:55:41.160 then Harry, you give your fortune away because you are currently living off Princess Diana's money
00:55:48.060 and the Queen Mother's money, fundamentally, right? And lots of money that your dad's given you over
00:55:53.080 the years. So just be very careful what you wish for. But the fact that Meghan continues to use the
00:55:58.700 crown and continues to use the HRH title is truly nuts. I mean, it does not add up apart from to say
00:56:06.480 this is a deeply troubled, narcissistic person who is manipulative and isn't particularly well.
00:56:13.960 And she has no sense of what she could do to actually win the public over again. And I think we saw that
00:56:22.420 throughout the show as well, because it's like, this is a great opportunity. You know,
00:56:28.200 Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix has decided to stand by Meghan. Now that is a really
00:56:33.520 odd decision. I have my own suspicions about this, Meghan, because Meghan Markle has befriended
00:56:39.600 Ted Sarandos's wife. They are in a mixed race relationship. So there is some type of suggestion
00:56:48.100 that Meghan was a little bit manipulative in terms of how she wormed her way into the personal life
00:56:54.240 of Ted Sarandos, because there's lots of other people at Netflix who look at Ted Sarandos and like,
00:56:59.360 what are you doing? Like these shows aren't even a success. Why are you-
00:57:05.180 How to put pretzels in a bag.
00:57:07.220 Yeah. Yeah. Like, and, and you're, you're selling jam, which is not going to make you a lot of money,
00:57:14.060 right? Even if you sell multiple, multiple, multiple jars of jam, that's not a big money
00:57:19.900 maker for Netflix. So there's a suggestion that it's this personal relationship that Meghan has
00:57:24.260 managed to sort out with Ted Sarandos via his wife. You know, they went to the Beyonce concert
00:57:29.040 together at all. It's, it's sort of how Meghan plays things that that's the reason Netflix is
00:57:35.400 standing by her. But without Netflix now, there, there, there really is nothing. And that is
00:57:43.640 obviously a huge issue. Authenticity is everything, as you well know, in this new world of independent
00:57:48.620 media and her podcast, Meghan has dropped out of the top 100 within weeks, despite being the most
00:57:57.760 publicized podcast in the world.
00:58:00.080 It's completely irrelevant. And listen, she's irrelevant too. The only reason we talk about
00:58:05.240 her is because they continue to create this drama around the Royal family about which we do care.
00:58:11.080 Some of us in America really love following the Royals and think they're fun and exciting. And it's
00:58:15.660 not that we want to be ruled by them, but I love following the Royal family. They're just fun. And
00:58:20.300 the history is interesting and they're beautiful. And it's just sort of like an escape of sorts.
00:58:25.060 Um, so yeah, she proud of our Royal family. And that's a big thing, you know, given the divisive
00:58:33.060 nature of politics today, and I think we can all agree, agree, sorry, that politics has never been
00:58:38.300 more divided. Don't you think it's pretty incredible that in the United Kingdom, such an overwhelming
00:58:43.700 majority of the country still supports the idea of this monarchy? It means a lot to us.
00:58:49.040 It means tradition and history. There are all sorts of reasons.
00:58:53.560 Because it's not political. Do you know what I mean? That's why at some point it's not political.
00:58:57.780 And it's like, you came in, you stole the prince who actually was in our hearts because we saw him
00:59:05.180 walk past, walk behind Diana's coffin as a young boy. And actually his popularity rating at one point
00:59:11.080 was higher than the queen. Like we loved this boy. You came in, you turned him into a woke muppet,
00:59:19.040 and then you tried to trash our Royal family. So there is, you know, she is going to go down in
00:59:25.280 history, but for all the wrong reasons, exactly the same reason that Wallace Simpson went down
00:59:29.680 in history for destroying another senior member of the Royal family.
00:59:34.020 I know these American women, they don't have a great track record when they start to date the
00:59:37.520 English princes and Kings. It's, I'm sorry. And, but you know what, we are paying more than our fair
00:59:42.060 share of the penance having these two stuck over here. And I have to say, I think this is probably
00:59:46.140 another thing that Harry doesn't like about living in California is sure. You know, I'm
00:59:50.980 sure when people first meet him, they're like, Oh, Harry, cool. But Americans are used to big
00:59:55.220 celebrities, especially in California. And they're not going to treat him the way the average Brit
01:00:00.780 would. If one of the princes of England came in, you know, it's just different here. We don't really
01:00:06.300 love royalty. And I'm sure he misses the cachet that comes with being Prince Harry and part of
01:00:14.500 the Royal family. As you walk around great Britain, it's not the same in Montecito. And there, by the
01:00:19.360 way, there are people who are far richer and more famous than those two all over, especially that
01:00:25.700 state. And I'm sure he doesn't love that. Well, no. And look at Taylor Swift, who you would argue
01:00:30.520 is probably the biggest, uh, celebrity in the world today. Uh, despite her botched, uh, endorsement
01:00:40.160 of Kamala Harris, she had a very clear choice and she chose William because Taylor Swift doesn't need
01:00:48.500 to be friends with just another. Oh yeah. Can you explain that again? What I, this, I vaguely recall
01:00:54.580 this, but I don't remember the specifics. So, so there was a moment when Taylor Swift had to make a very
01:00:58.620 clear choice between Harry and Megan and William and Catherine. So Megan approached her. Do you
01:01:05.380 remember when she was launching the archetypes podcast? That was her first podcast. And this is
01:01:09.460 when not everyone had really turned and Megan actually wrote her a handwritten note and her
01:01:14.780 calligraphy really begging and pleading her to, to be on the podcast. Right. And this was at a time
01:01:21.400 when she was getting some decent names on the podcast, but Taylor Swift made a very clear decision
01:01:26.840 that she'd built up this relationship with Prince William and she stayed loyal to William. And quite
01:01:33.380 recently in the midst of William's cancer battle, sorry, with Catherine's cancer battle, William took
01:01:40.140 George and Charlotte to Taylor Swift's concert. They posed with selfies backstage. Taylor wants nothing
01:01:46.620 to do with Megan Markle. And it's because people have had to make a choice. And even this is the most
01:01:53.840 interesting one to me, not a celebrity, but an awful woke politician. I actually think this woman is
01:01:58.160 evil, by the way, don't get me started on her. Jacinda Ardern, the former prime minister of New
01:02:02.920 Zealand, the country of, of my birth who locked me out of the country of my birth for three years over
01:02:08.000 COVID. But Jacinda Ardern, who Harry and Megan had desperately tried to covet and formed a close
01:02:14.600 relationship with. She also chose William over Megan and Harry, because as you say, people are
01:02:22.840 always going to, you know, people who are either celebrities or, or, or, or senior politicians are
01:02:29.180 always going to go for real royalty rather than fake royalty that comes with all of these other risks,
01:02:35.880 which are like Beyonce, for example, who at one point was very supportive of Megan furious that Megan,
01:02:43.080 I don't know if you remember in the Netflix series read out the text message, the really
01:02:47.600 crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And, and so Beyonce has turned down all of the offers to appear with Megan or be
01:02:57.720 on any of her shows. So I think they are really, really struggling. I mean, some, uh, rapper called
01:03:04.340 Megan the stallion, who I have to say, I have never heard of, but apparently she's a big, big, big deal.
01:03:09.440 Uh, even she is she turned up, but she turned down being, being on Megan's podcast, because I think
01:03:15.740 celebrities now actually know that there's no cache to being linked with Megan Markle. In fact,
01:03:21.740 it's probably only going to drag you down. And whereas being connected to William, you know,
01:03:29.100 the future King and pictured with Catherine and having them at your concert or going to an event with
01:03:34.840 them, that actually means something. So all of the A-listers, and there's a lot of them. I mean,
01:03:39.920 Lady Gaga is another one. They have all chosen to keep their loyalty actually with the real royalty.
01:03:46.940 And I think even Oprah Winfrey is regressing her decision now to align closely with me.
01:03:53.320 Ladies, I hope they don't forgive her. I really hope William and Catherine remember what she did
01:03:59.440 again when their grandfather was dying. She was terrible. And that was more terrible acting,
01:04:05.400 almost as bad as Megan's fake tears were the Oprah Winfrey. What? What? What?
01:04:11.600 It was awful. Anyway, it's so fun to cover them because they're just ridiculous people and they're
01:04:18.760 so easy to see through. So we have to do it. When they give us these, this fodder, we have to go
01:04:23.220 with it. When they give us the ingredients, we bake the cake and nobody does it like you, Dan Wooden.
01:04:27.120 It's a pleasure. And you got to check them out, check out his podcast. It's Dan Wooden
01:04:31.180 Outspoken. He's on his own now and he is outspoken and can be in a way that he never could when controlled
01:04:37.820 by corporate media and we support it. So good for Dan. Check them out wherever you get your podcasts
01:04:41.500 for free. We'll see you next time.
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