The Megyn Kelly Show - Putin Exploits Biden's Weakness and Canada's Authoritarian Crackdown, with Eric Bolling, Charles Cooke, and Jamil Jivani ｜ Ep. 266

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.460 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.720 All eyes at this hour on Ukraine and the White House after a dramatic series of events over the past 24 hours.

00:00:53.440 We're going to lay it out for you in terms that are easy to understand, okay?

00:00:58.020 Yesterday, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced he is sending troops into two regions in Ukraine.

00:01:04.700 These are two pro-Russia areas of Ukraine. A lot of Russians live there.

00:01:09.240 And now, the Biden administration is slowly, and I do mean slowly, beginning to use the word invasion.

00:01:17.240 We are expecting to hear directly from President Biden himself within the hour, so we will bring you that news as soon as we have it.

00:01:24.160 This is Jennifer Griffin. Our old pal at Fox News had this to say about what's happening right now.

00:01:28.500 Quote,

00:01:28.740 Eric Bolling will join us in a bit to lay out what this means for the market, for gas prices, and for the U.S. economy overall, which, as you know, is already struggling.

00:01:46.160 But first, I am joined by Charles C.W. Cook, Senior Writer for National Review.

00:01:51.740 Charles, great to have you back here.

00:01:53.200 So, the reports are that Vladimir Putin has been creating the conditions for war inside Ukraine.

00:02:01.880 Certain alleged false flag incidents that have happened within these two very pro-Russian regions of Ukraine that he's now declaring independent.

00:02:11.100 He's just unilaterally declared them to be independent.

00:02:15.200 In any event, some small incidents of explosion or what have you that, according to the New York Times at least, are believed to have originated with the Russians,

00:02:24.780 trying to make it look like there's violence against the local Russians by Ukraine, but it's not so.

00:02:32.040 He's looking for a reason to send troops in there.

00:02:35.000 We've been told all along it's because he wants NATO not to expand.

00:02:40.960 He doesn't want Ukraine to be a part of NATO.

00:02:42.800 More and more analysts who I trust are saying that's just pretextual.

00:02:46.680 That's not what this is about.

00:02:48.580 Putin wants Ukraine to remain essentially a part of Russia or at least an extension, in a way, of Russia under his control, not under the control of the West.

00:02:58.560 He likes their border a lot better than he likes his own Western border.

00:03:03.640 And he's just not going to sit back and let it become more and more pro-Western and tied to the West and that that's what this is really about.

00:03:12.580 But right now he's made a move.

00:03:14.560 It's an aggressive one for sure.

00:03:16.400 This is we were told 24 hours ago that they were going to have more talks this week than he essentially decided to invade.

00:03:23.280 And the ball is now in our court to decide what we're going to do.

00:03:26.940 So far, Biden said some sanctions.

00:03:29.560 There's small sanctions at first saying Americans can't do business in these two regions, these two pro-Russian regions within Ukraine.

00:03:36.180 That's not really going to do much, but he knows it.

00:03:39.960 So Republicans have been calling that impotent.

00:03:42.100 His own party had been pushed back.

00:03:43.560 And now within the hour, we're expected to get more from President Biden on, quote, severe sanctions to punish Putin for what he's done thus far.

00:03:51.200 Never mind what he may do.

00:03:53.480 What do you make of it?

00:03:54.760 Clearly, the whole thing is pretextual.

00:03:59.060 The skeptical parts of American and British press have to some extent indulged what Putin is saying.

00:04:11.960 There is no reason to do that.

00:04:14.660 There is no reason for us to take his words at face value.

00:04:18.900 I think one of the problems here is that we have a tendency in the West to view everything that happens in the world through our own eyes, through our own lens.

00:04:30.440 You said that Republicans had argued that Biden was weak.

00:04:33.900 There is some truth to that.

00:04:35.480 But I would, of course, caution anyone from seeing this as primarily a domestic American question.

00:04:42.880 It's not.

00:04:43.900 The ambitions that you described at the beginning did not start when Joe Biden became president.

00:04:51.140 They didn't start when Donald Trump became president.

00:04:53.760 We have been aware of who Vladimir Putin is and what he wants to do for 20 years.

00:05:00.500 This is a question that faced George W. Bush as a new president.

00:05:04.720 In fact, these ambitions, they predate Vladimir Putin himself.

00:05:12.700 We, as I'm sure everyone knows, spent most of the last century in a struggle with the Soviet Union, which also had expansionist ambitions.

00:05:21.580 So I think a lot of the coverage that we're going to see is going to get sucked into this Republican, Democrat, Western, particularly American mindset.

00:05:31.820 And that would be a mistake.

00:05:34.180 Now, that said, clearly, Vladimir Putin is aware that the preeminent world power is the United States and that he is, at 69 years old, unlikely to find another opportunity in his lifetime to execute some of the plans that he's had in mind for a long time.

00:05:51.580 And America does look relatively weak.

00:05:54.560 Its president is old.

00:05:56.180 He's weak.

00:05:56.840 He does not project confidence.

00:05:58.020 His vice president, who was sent to Munich and has been, frankly, vapid and embarrassing, seems weak.

00:06:07.240 And the United States is currently divided, suffering from inflation and still reeling from COVID.

00:06:14.060 So this does present an opportunity.

00:06:17.060 But what he is doing here is what he has wanted to do for a long, long time.

00:06:22.840 And if global circumstances were different, he would, of course, do even more than this.

00:06:27.500 Mm hmm.

00:06:28.160 Last time we saw him seize territory in Ukraine was Crimea.

00:06:31.800 That was during the Obama administration.

00:06:36.060 And Putin was upset because back then they had managed to oust a more pro-Putin president of Ukraine for a more pro-Western president of Ukraine.

00:06:47.160 And then before he knew it, he was taking Crimea and he's not going to give up Russian influence and power in Ukraine easily.

00:06:54.520 He's made that clear over the past 10 years.

00:06:57.580 He did nothing during the Trump administration that looked anything like that.

00:07:01.420 And now we have this under President Biden.

00:07:04.380 And I saw you had called attention to this tweet by then candidate Joe Biden, which really does sort of belie the reality of those two events as I just laid them out.

00:07:17.380 This is from February of 2020.

00:07:19.980 Biden, then candidate Biden, tweeting out Vladimir Putin doesn't want me to be president.

00:07:24.960 He doesn't want me to be our nominee.

00:07:27.100 If you're wondering why, it's because I'm the only person in this field who's ever gone toe to toe with him.

00:07:33.220 What do you make of that?

00:07:35.480 Well, I think it's nonsense.

00:07:37.240 My colleague Jim Garrity at National Review said earlier that he was trying to sound like John Wayne.

00:07:42.300 Of course, it didn't work because it's based on nothing.

00:07:46.680 And again, this is a good example of a tendency within the United States to view everything that happens on the world stage as an extension of our domestic politics.

00:07:57.340 Donald Trump said some pretty terrible things about Vladimir Putin.

00:08:01.300 There's a famous moment with Bill O'Reilly where Bill O'Reilly says he's a killer and Vladimir Putin, Trump says, is not so bad because we have killers here too.

00:08:12.700 We're not so innocent, I think were his exact words.

00:08:15.740 That was a terrible thing to say.

00:08:16.980 But there's no real evidence beyond that that Donald Trump was weak on Russia.

00:08:20.980 In fact, Trump sent more arms to the countries that are threatened by Russia than did Barack Obama.

00:08:29.180 And so what Joe Biden was trying to do there is play off this conception that Trump was Putin's puppet and that what we really needed in the White House was a guy who would stand up to him.

00:08:41.220 Of course, that's not really how this works.

00:08:42.780 And even if Joe Biden does a good job in responding to Russian aggression, he's still going to be somewhat hamstrung.

00:08:51.360 We're not going to go to war with Russia.

00:08:54.140 We will be able to maneuver, maybe send weapons, maybe impose more sanctions, maybe deploy some troops to make sure this doesn't spiral out of control.

00:09:02.920 But I don't really know what Biden means when he says, well, I'm the one who went toe to toe with him.

00:09:09.860 That's just not how the Russians think.

00:09:11.560 Yeah, he's trying to sound tough.

00:09:14.580 And even now that the word invasion, which the White House was reluctant to use, comes from some low level person in the PR shop who I've never even heard of.

00:09:23.240 I know it's not the president saying that, at least not yet.

00:09:26.460 It's like 14th man in charge of the PR shop has called it an invasion.

00:09:31.080 The Ukrainians aren't calling it that.

00:09:32.900 We've been threatening these severe sanctions over and over, but we haven't unleashed them, even though Putin's been upping his game and upping his game.

00:09:40.060 Now we'll see whether Biden does it today.

00:09:42.280 But, you know, one does wonder whether Biden and his administration are somehow, I don't want to use the term, enjoying this controversy, but he certainly does tout it every other day as tomorrow's the day.

00:09:56.280 Putin's invading tomorrow.

00:09:57.600 He's going to invade tomorrow.

00:09:58.520 And it's this week for sure.

00:10:00.100 It's this, it's tomorrow.

00:10:01.520 And it hasn't happened thus far.

00:10:03.640 And there's now speculation in the press that Biden's looking to this whole conflict as a distraction from our disastrous domestic situation back here at home.

00:10:13.020 Well, I hope he's not, because that would be genuinely appalling.

00:10:17.200 And it would also be to reduce the lives and happiness of the Ukrainian people to mere domestic pawns.

00:10:26.460 One of the strange things about this administration, and it's true of Joe Biden, it's also true of Kamala Harris, is their tendency to answer questions on grave topics such as these as if they were a pundit on a panel in Washington, D.C.

00:10:40.640 It's fine if you are in a think tank to say you think that Putin will engage in warfare or in an invasion.

00:10:50.800 It is fine if you're on a think tank to say a minor incursion might be acceptable.

00:10:55.840 As an analytical matter, that may well be correct.

00:10:59.900 But if you're the president of the United States, you have to talk differently.

00:11:03.160 Your job is to say, no, he will not.

00:11:05.120 And if he does, he will face consequences, even if those consequences are sanctions or arms exports or what you will.

00:11:12.840 And both he and Kamala Harris have this strange way of separating themselves from this, of talking about it from 30,000 feet in the abstract, when in fact they are in charge of the executive branch.

00:11:26.140 I wish they would stop doing that.

00:11:27.740 You know, you had an interesting observation about Kamala Harris that I don't think is unrelated to this discussion.

00:11:34.460 And it was about a tweet she sent out.

00:11:37.380 I was ripping on America again, calling us Islamophobic and anti-Semitic and all of the phobias.

00:11:43.720 We have them all.

00:11:45.140 Hold on.

00:11:45.840 You said, OK, she put out a statement in Farsi that reads there is segregation in America.

00:11:50.520 There's xenophobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia.

00:11:55.440 Wherever injustice is dealt with, there is activity ahead.

00:11:58.840 So I don't know what that means, first of all.

00:12:01.580 What?

00:12:02.260 There is activity ahead?

00:12:03.480 OK, we'll look forward to that.

00:12:07.440 But I do think it sort of lays in on a broader way, in a broader way.

00:12:10.900 And here's how.

00:12:12.340 We keep running around, the Democrats, trying to tell America how awful it is and how America's all these terrible things.

00:12:19.420 Not only does that undermine morale here at home, right?

00:12:22.880 Americans don't want to hear that over and over and over.

00:12:25.020 It's not exactly a rallying cry for patriotism or the strength of our country and so on.

00:12:29.520 But secondly, we seem determined to try to export those values.

00:12:34.720 And it makes us into a laughingstock.

00:12:38.600 You know, Saudi Arabia is not going to look at America as any stronger or as a world leader

00:12:44.280 because we're flagging ourselves, flogging ourselves for being Islamophobic or never mind any of the other things.

00:12:50.740 And I think the more we try to tell the world how they need to act when it comes to political correctness or wokeness

00:12:58.340 or whatever you want to call it, the more absurd we look, the less strong we look.

00:13:04.380 And of course, it comes as no surprise to me that she's doing that up until this very moment.

00:13:09.080 Well, I think that it weakens us enormously because the other countries that are jockeying for world power and attention

00:13:21.200 know that they can exploit these internal divisions.

00:13:24.880 Now, there's no point pretending they don't exist, but one doesn't have to proactively put them out there.

00:13:30.020 And I have a real problem with Kamala Harris for exactly this reason. 0.86

00:13:34.400 You know me, we talked about this before.

00:13:38.740 I'm a free speech absolutist.

00:13:40.480 I don't want to see people prosecuted or marginalized in our society for criticizing the United States.

00:13:47.800 If Kamala Harris thinks that the United States has segregation, fine. 1.00

00:13:52.820 If she thinks that it's an Islamophobic, transphobic, homophobic nation, fine.

00:13:58.480 But there are certain responsibilities that go with being the vice president.

00:14:02.140 You don't get to just say that anymore.

00:14:05.380 You have a responsibility to represent your country, to put the best foot forward.

00:14:10.860 Ronald Reagan had a conception of the United States as a shining city on a hill.

00:14:15.760 That doesn't mean he didn't recognize that there were problems at home.

00:14:19.540 In fact, he was elected to fix some of those problems.

00:14:21.900 But he understood that just as building up arms helps you win in a Cold War type scenario, so does telling the rest of the world that actually your country's great.

00:14:35.500 But yes, it may have some issues, but it is a model.

00:14:38.340 It is a beacon.

00:14:39.500 It is a North Star.

00:14:40.660 And I consider that to be the job of the president when on the foreign stage.

00:14:47.820 There's no need to do it at home.

00:14:49.480 I think on the merits, presidents who think the United States is a bad place are wrong.

00:14:54.600 But at home, of course, they can engage more openly.

00:14:58.240 Internationally, don't do it.

00:15:00.560 Don't do it.

00:15:01.120 It weakens us and it shows our rivals and indeed our allies how they can divide us and how they can best use diplomacy to achieve their ends at the expense of ours.

00:15:21.460 So there's that rhetoric from our vice president.

00:15:23.960 We'll hear what the president says in terms of sanctions on Russia.

00:15:26.440 One does wonder, if we drop the big hammer of the, quote, severe sanctions, that's the term he keeps using today, if we take it from impotent to something more severe, where do we go from there?

00:15:40.160 If Putin's not done, if a full-scale invasion of the non-pro-Russia areas of Ukraine happens, what's the next cudgel that we have?

00:15:51.560 I don't know.

00:15:52.580 What does Joe Biden do?

00:15:54.720 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:15:56.440 That he knows either.

00:15:58.360 And a lot of that is not his fault.

00:16:00.880 And first off, there is not, as far as I can see, a particular appetite in the United States to get into a war over Ukraine.

00:16:09.760 Irrespective of whether or not this should be the case, if Russia invaded London, I think you would see a majority in favor of the United States going in hard.

00:16:22.140 Ukraine is a long, long, long way away.

00:16:24.560 It is not a NATO country.

00:16:27.640 It is not a country with which most Americans have any affinity.

00:16:32.820 Again, I'm not endorsing this view.

00:16:34.540 I'm just describing it.

00:16:36.260 Second, historically, we tend to struggle when the areas in question are disputed or when there are elements within them that would actually prefer to be part of the invading force.

00:16:53.800 Let us dispense for a second with the idea that Vladimir Putin is Hitler or that this crisis is the same as those that arose in the late 1930s.

00:17:06.960 But as we saw then, it's tough.

00:17:10.040 When Germany said, well, we want the Sudetenland because it's full of ethnic Germans, many of whom want to be German, we struggle with that because at the root of our system is consent.

00:17:21.360 And we find it difficult to rationalize opposition to consent.

00:17:28.200 And we're not quite sure what's true and what's not.

00:17:30.720 And it divides public opinion.

00:17:33.260 And I think where Putin has been clever here is, in addition to creating all sorts of pretextual reasons to go in, he's playing around with the separatist parts of Ukraine that don't actually want to be a part of Ukraine.

00:17:49.900 Some of them want to be Russian.

00:17:52.120 And I'm not buying his reasoning, and I'm certainly not endorsing or condoning what he's doing.

00:17:57.800 But in the West, we struggle with that because of our own history of self-determination.

00:18:04.460 And if you apparently watch TV in Russia right now, you will see story after story.

00:18:09.400 Of course, he controls the media.

00:18:10.580 Story after story of the human rights abuses that are allegedly being perpetrated on the Russians inside of these two regions of Ukraine in particular.

00:18:20.640 And the spin inside of Russia and inside of, you know, they're there with their amongst their lawmakers is, you know, we have to do something.

00:18:27.540 It's it's what's right.

00:18:28.740 We have to protect our fellow Russians who are being abused.

00:18:31.720 And apparently there was a vote to support this move.

00:18:34.260 It was unanimous.

00:18:35.780 There was a standing ovation for Vladimir Putin's comments, his speech the other day.

00:18:39.620 So within Russia, they see themselves as sort of liberators going there to protect, you know, the Russians who are living in these two parts of Ukraine in particular.

00:18:48.520 That's, of course, not at all the way Europe or the rest of the world sees it.

00:18:51.900 But you're right.

00:18:53.120 I don't think there's an appetite here in America to do more than economic sanctions.

00:18:56.720 The question is, what will those do to our economy?

00:19:00.860 I mean, Biden, when he was playing pundit in that ever long, you know, press conference, you and I talked about this.

00:19:06.080 One of his observations was, of course, that could come back to haunt us, too.

00:19:08.880 You know, it's like, yes, it could.

00:19:11.120 But that, you know, that is one of the considerations we have to think about is how is it going to hurt our economy if we impose the severe, quote, again, capital sanctions?

00:19:20.680 Well, and especially given a backdrop that is not that rosy to begin with.

00:19:28.840 And I think this will only lessen any American willingness to make sacrifices in order to help Ukraine.

00:19:37.980 It would be one thing if it were 1998, the economy were booming, gas was, you know, $1.25 a gallon.

00:19:47.720 Gas is creeping up to $4 in many places.

00:19:51.980 Inflation is rampant.

00:19:54.040 Americans are coming out of a terrible two years with COVID and its associated lockdowns.

00:20:01.800 And I suspect the last thing they're going to want to do is to make more sacrifices, again, for a country many of them couldn't locate on a map.

00:20:11.340 And I don't say that disparagingly.

00:20:13.140 There's no rational reason most people should spend their days looking at maps of that part of the world.

00:20:19.280 So I think Biden has his hands tied here.

00:20:23.320 I do think, though, that the J.D. Vance approach to this, which is to say who cares about what happens in Ukraine, it may poll well.

00:20:32.520 It may make headlines.

00:20:35.440 I don't think, historically speaking, it is a good approach.

00:20:40.080 I think we have learned that.

00:20:41.340 And we don't have to have Vladimir Putin as Hitler in order to understand that.

00:20:46.960 We do have in this country a commitment to a principle that was established 500 years ago, the Treaty of Westphalia, that borders are important and sovereign nations should be respected.

00:21:01.280 And in such a case as they are not, we have historically done all that we can, or at least a great deal, to change that.

00:21:10.100 And if America decides, for whatever reason, just to look the other way, I'm not arguing here we should go to war with Russia.

00:21:18.680 But if America decides to look the other way, say who cares, someone else's problem, there are very, very few historical examples of that working out for us.

00:21:27.880 So we should be concerned about this, and we should be rooting for this administration to do as well as it can.

00:21:36.980 But I don't think there are that many options on the table at the moment.

00:21:41.580 One positive development is the Germans. 1.00

00:21:44.200 You know, the German chancellor there hadn't been going so far as to explicitly say that he was going to sort of put the Nord Stream 2 on hold, that he was going to suspend it.

00:21:53.540 And now he has. So that's, you know, yet another sort of threat that we have over Putin, because he definitely wants that thing open.

00:22:00.720 He wants to get, you know, be the be the main energy supplier on an ongoing basis to Germany.

00:22:06.000 And Nord Stream 2 is important to that.

00:22:08.040 We'll continue to watch it as we expect President Biden in about 40 minutes to come out and add to his earlier comments.

00:22:14.240 Charles C.W. Cook, always a pleasure. Thank you.

00:22:17.420 Thank you for having me.

00:22:18.020 Coming up, Eric Bolling, before he was a big star on Fox News and now Newsmax, made his big fortune trading oil and gas futures in sort of the financial markets.

00:22:29.820 I didn't know about this, but Melissa Francis explained it to me once.

00:22:32.940 Eric Bolling made a fortune doing that.

00:22:35.440 He understands this area very, very well.

00:22:38.280 And he's the perfect person to talk to about what's going to happen to gas prices here if we impose severe sanctions.

00:22:45.220 What's going to happen to your energy bill?

00:22:47.800 What's going to happen to inflation that is already at record levels?

00:22:51.240 He's going to speak to all of that.

00:22:53.200 And then we'll get into this Canada up in or this convoy up in Canada and whether it's coming here next.

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00:23:47.980 So what's this going to do now to Americans' wallets here at home and to the price they're paying at the pump?

00:23:56.240 Because we're about to get the new announcement on, quote, severe sanctions.

00:24:00.860 So it could get even tighter than it is already, like the crackdown on Russia and Ukraine.

00:24:06.180 Yeah, Megan, great to be back with you.

00:24:07.820 And what a day to be back.

00:24:09.120 And we have the breaking news of all these sanctions that we're going to slap on Russia.

00:24:15.400 But what's it?

00:24:16.100 So I was listening to the last segment, and Charles C.W.

00:24:18.780 He was a brilliant, brilliant analyst.

00:24:21.100 I disagree with him very, very vehemently about why we should, he believes we should get involved in this.

00:24:28.860 And listen, what is it for us?

00:24:31.560 There's really literally nothing that's going on in that region of the world that affects us.

00:24:36.680 I just don't see why we risk blood and treasure.

00:24:39.860 I don't think he was advocating it.

00:24:41.600 He was just saying some people will advocate for a harsher approach, saying, you know, appeasement isn't going to get us anywhere.

00:24:48.200 Well, how about neither?

00:24:49.460 You know, my point is, why don't we stay out of these things?

00:24:52.280 These things, historically, Vietnam, you know, Afghanistan, these things end up costing us lives and treasure.

00:24:58.140 And there's really literally no payoff.

00:25:00.220 I would even say Afghanistan made more sense than us getting involved in a sort of Ukraine-Russia conflict.

00:25:06.620 Because in Afghanistan, at least it was geographically situated where you can keep an eye on China.

00:25:11.700 You can keep an eye on Russia from that one spot.

00:25:15.200 And we let that go.

00:25:16.360 But OK, so fine.

00:25:17.480 I'm all about pulling people out.

00:25:19.160 Anyway, to make a long story short, here we are.

00:25:21.780 Putin, over the last few months, has aligned troops and done his little military war games along the Ukraine border.

00:25:27.480 It scared the bejesus out of the oil markets. 1.00

00:25:30.360 Oil was about $50 a barrel before this whole thing started.

00:25:33.840 And I'm talking about North Sea Brent, which is the international oil for Europe.

00:25:37.560 And now it's spiked to $98 and almost $99 a barrel today.

00:25:42.220 So that's a 100% increase, a $50 barrel increase.

00:25:46.040 And that translates into about $250 billion a year increase, not just total increase to the Russian economy.

00:25:55.480 Because they sell, they produce and sell 11 million barrels of oil per day.

00:25:59.800 And that turns into almost a quarter of a trillion dollars increase because we're allowing the oil markets to rally because we say we're going to get involved in a situation that has absolutely nothing to do with us.

00:26:09.940 If we didn't play these sanctioned games, Megan, why would the price of a barrel of oil go up?

00:26:15.340 Russia is still going to produce their 11 million barrels.

00:26:17.960 We're not sanctioning them.

00:26:19.200 It's not going to pull their oil off the world market.

00:26:22.280 If we say we're not going to buy Russian oil, guess what's going to happen to the price of oil?

00:26:26.180 It's going to continue higher.

00:26:27.400 And at this price right now, because we've run up so dramatically over the last month, month and a half, all that oil is becoming higher and higher priced oil in inventory tanks and refiners.

00:26:37.340 So they buy oil, they put it into the tank.

00:26:39.520 They have to have a supply.

00:26:40.760 They have to have a 60-day supply.

00:26:42.540 So everything they're replacing of the cheaper oil is being replaced with $100 barrel of oil, which means they haven't even begun to charge us at the gas pump yet for the more expensive feedstock inventory crude that's going into the refinery.

00:26:55.180 In other words, if you're paying $4 a gallon right now, $3.80, $3.75, whatever, now expect another 50% increase.

00:27:02.820 So I would say it's almost a lot that nationally average we're going to see a $5 gallon of gasoline, which is very, very difficult, especially people-

00:27:11.400 Wait, let me let you know me and the numbers.

00:27:13.860 I mean, I mean the math, Eric, we're going to walk through it slowly.

00:27:16.700 So I get our gas prices are going up even more.

00:27:19.420 I mean, that's shocking.

00:27:20.140 That is a sticker shocking number, $5 a gallon here in the United States.

00:27:23.840 It's already gone up $0.90 just over the past year, so going to go up more.

00:27:27.980 And is that without the severe sanctions?

00:27:30.480 Are you saying that's going to happen to us irrespective of what happens in Ukraine?

00:27:34.320 Megan, this is without any sanctions yet.

00:27:37.400 This is what's already happened with this saber-rattling of Putin on the border and the world saying, well, if they're going to do that, there's surely going to be some sanctions slapped on.

00:27:45.840 It's the anticipation of whatever these sanctions will be.

00:27:48.360 We're locked in to probably another dollar a gallon on the upside on gasoline.

00:27:53.080 Just locked in already because these refiners have to buy crude oil on the world market, and they're paying $100 a barrel right now.

00:28:00.380 We're not going to take a loss on that.

00:28:02.000 When that feedstock finally goes through the refinery, on the backside becomes gasoline, heating oil, and jet fuel.

00:28:07.620 That stuff, they have to make up that loss.

00:28:09.720 And they get it from us.

00:28:11.000 Of course we're going to eat it.

00:28:13.060 We're going to see $5 a gallon in this country, absolutely, no matter what happens.

00:28:17.600 So what happens, so if, you know, the Nord Stream 2, that's going to be shut down, so Russia's not going to be able to get that energy supply down to Germany.

00:28:26.620 Russia supplies 40% of Europe's natural gas and 25% of Europe's oil.

00:28:32.600 So if you're, and apparently what I read is that that's what Biden's been doing overnight, trying to get the Europeans to come on board so that we can, as a unified force, come out today, again, within the next 30 minutes and say, we're all together.

00:28:44.100 This is what we're doing to Russia. 0.98

00:28:45.400 So if that happens, it's not without consequence to our European friends when it comes to their gas bills, which are already high.

00:28:51.420 And we've been saying, oh, don't worry, we'll backstop you.

00:28:54.120 We got you.

00:28:54.640 We got that 40% of natural gas supply, and we got that 25% of oil supply.

00:28:59.180 But if we had all of that in abundance, and I know we do, but we're just not mining it under Biden, why wouldn't we be using it on the American people to lower those gas prices down from four to three instead of going from four to five?

00:29:09.080 So what position are we going to be in if this all really does go through and Germany doesn't go through and Europe starts curtailing its energy purchases from Russia and so on?

00:29:17.740 Yeah, and any sort of supply disruption or dislocation in this case, because Russia will still produce, they just won't be able to put in anywhere.

00:29:25.680 It's a dislocation.

00:29:26.940 Any sort of supply or dislocation or disruption in any part of the country will always, or the world, will always increase prices.

00:29:34.740 So we don't really have it to give anymore.

00:29:37.120 We used to be energy independent about a year and a half ago.

00:29:40.020 We're not any longer.

00:29:41.540 We're now importing oil for the better part of the last two years of the Trump administration.

00:29:45.420 We were exporting oil.

00:29:46.920 We were more than substantially producing what we use.

00:29:50.140 Now we're back to importers begging OPEC, begging Russia, begging Iran to sell us oil at a higher price.

00:29:56.460 So, you know, in this whole thing, this whole joke, and I watch these people do it.

00:30:01.240 I watch the Biden administration do it.

00:30:02.800 I watch politicians do it.

00:30:04.400 Oh, prices are going up.

00:30:05.500 We're going to release, I don't know, 5 million barrels of oil or some ridiculous thing like that.

00:30:09.960 But that is a, we use 20 million barrels of oil per day here in the United States alone.

00:30:16.580 These minor releases are all for show.

00:30:19.340 They're all politics.

00:30:20.400 They're all, none of them mean a lick of a bit to the price of gasoline at the pump.

00:30:27.240 Not one of them.

00:30:28.180 But they all use it to say, oh, you know, we're going to do the right thing.

00:30:30.880 There's no way to give Europe relief on this.

00:30:34.580 We'll squeeze in a quick break.

00:30:36.000 We'll come back with much more with Eric Bolling, including what's happening in Canada.

00:30:40.400 I mean, Justin Trudeau, he's lost his mind.

00:30:45.400 He is treating the remaining truckers, right?

00:30:48.620 He's already cleared the streets, essentially, as though they are, I mean, just a band of roaming

00:30:55.420 criminals wreaking havoc from city to city.

00:30:58.880 Meanwhile, one of those blockades ended with handshakes between the truckers and the cops.

00:31:03.360 But he treats them and has explicitly said they're, they're racists.

00:31:07.100 They're like Nazis. 0.79

00:31:08.180 They're, they have swastikas, all unfounded.

00:31:11.220 And what he's doing to those who have supported them with, let's say, a $50 donation here,

00:31:15.960 a 25 donation there is shameful.

00:31:19.840 So we'll pick it up with Russia and Canada when I get Eric back right after this.

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00:32:10.640 So Eric, just to put a pin in the end of the Russia and the sanctions and all that discussion,

00:32:15.380 on the price of gas, there was a report that there's talk in Washington of possibly suspending

00:32:21.140 federal taxes on gas as a relief, you know, to people when it comes to the price of gasoline.

00:32:27.740 Is that a meaningful solution?

00:32:29.520 Yeah.

00:32:29.940 Well, it is.

00:32:31.380 But think about that, Megan, for a second.

00:32:32.920 So they're going to take 18, 18.3 cents a gallon that we're not going to have to pay.

00:32:36.620 That'll help.

00:32:37.620 But that 18.3, it may be the only tax that makes sense in the whole entire U.S. government.

00:32:43.660 It's because all that money goes to the Department of Transportation to build roads and highways

00:32:47.720 and fix potholes.

00:32:48.840 That's the one place it's not a grift.

00:32:52.200 They're not taking your tax dollars and doing something.

00:32:54.120 They're actually taking people who use the roads and taxing them for the use of the roads.

00:32:59.360 Everything else is let's borrow from here.

00:33:01.060 Let's borrow from Social Security.

00:33:02.180 I say get rid of it all completely, you know, make every road a toll road and privatize the

00:33:10.540 whole darn system.

00:33:11.560 But it'll help.

00:33:12.940 It's not a lasting solution to it.

00:33:14.700 So what happens then down the road when it's six dollars a gallon?

00:33:18.060 Then what do you do?

00:33:19.520 Here's what happened.

00:33:20.740 When when Biden pulled us off of energy independence, he handed the power to countries like Russia,

00:33:28.540 to the OPEC ministers, to the people who hate us.

00:33:31.000 It was a transfer of power from the United States with the most powerful economy in the

00:33:34.960 world, most powerful military in the world to watch what happens when the price of all

00:33:39.740 these things starts to go higher and higher and higher.

00:33:42.600 And don't forget, price of gasoline doesn't just doesn't mean your drive to the soccer

00:33:47.220 stadium, soccer field is more expensive.

00:33:49.840 Everything's more expensive.

00:33:50.780 Your avocados are more expensive.

00:33:52.360 Your potatoes are more expensive.

00:33:53.380 Your meat is more expensive.

00:33:54.120 Every single thing we do in this country becomes more expensive.

00:33:57.320 That's where they talk about Biden's inflation.

00:33:59.620 It's sourced at one spot, the fuel market.

00:34:03.120 And that's the real source of is spiring out of control inflation.

00:34:07.620 They say all these other things.

00:34:09.000 It's really fuel because fuel goes into everything, including that pork chop that you put on the

00:34:14.220 family's table every day.

00:34:15.740 So another question.

00:34:16.820 This is like geopolitical.

00:34:17.940 But when Russia and China, they're not natural allies.

00:34:22.300 They don't necessarily make a lot of sense in terms of the way they live and what their

00:34:25.980 strategic goals are and so on.

00:34:27.780 But we've seen some cozying.

00:34:29.600 We've seen some cozying up in in recent months.

00:34:32.500 And Putin went to the Beijing Olympics and there was just sort of a public showing of

00:34:36.540 we're buds now.

00:34:37.640 And I think that was obviously for our benefit.

00:34:39.660 So if we if we punish him too much, if we punish Putin too much with these sanctions and Europe

00:34:45.480 does as well, what are the risks realistically of China becoming more important to Russia

00:34:51.780 in a way that's going to hurt us?

00:34:54.160 I think both of them have it have a common interest.

00:34:56.620 And the common interest is knocking the United States off their top pedestal.

00:35:00.180 They both clearly like that Putin for his his egotistical reasons and President Xi in 0.94

00:35:05.260 China because they want to be number one. 0.91

00:35:06.760 They have the fastest growing economy for the last 20 years.

00:35:09.560 Every year, they're approaching our level of gross domestic product.

00:35:13.460 They want to overtake us to be the world power superpower in finance and gross domestic

00:35:17.520 product.

00:35:18.080 And what they need to do that one, you know, one of the most important things.

00:35:21.600 One thing we have is we have energy.

00:35:23.760 We have energy under our ground that can that can that can provide all everything we need.

00:35:28.400 China doesn't. 0.63

00:35:29.520 China has coal and that's it.

00:35:31.500 They don't have natural gas.

00:35:32.600 They don't have much crude production.

00:35:34.080 They're at the mercy of other producers.

00:35:35.640 They're at the mercy of France.

00:35:37.020 They're at the mercy of Russia. 0.54

00:35:38.020 They're at the mercy of OPEC as what we would be if we were less of a producer.

00:35:42.600 But we eliminated that where we proved that we can be self-sufficient.

00:35:46.080 For some reason, we threw that away.

00:35:48.040 So China wanting us to get off the top level and they want to be on the top level.

00:35:52.840 What's the what's the what's the inroad to do that energy?

00:35:55.360 They strike deals with Russia by saying the United States is bad.

00:35:59.420 Russia, Putin doesn't like us anyway.

00:36:00.940 So they agree.

00:36:02.120 Russia sends oil to China.

00:36:03.720 China's economy rises.

00:36:05.240 Russia sells a lot of oil, creating a lot of revenue for them.

00:36:08.760 And what happens?

00:36:09.460 Our price of oil goes up.

00:36:11.060 We get less access to it.

00:36:12.280 China grows. 0.91

00:36:12.880 We don't.

00:36:13.380 That's it's it's it's more than clear.

00:36:15.940 They're even doing military exercises together for the first time ever in the last year.

00:36:21.940 Russia and China.

00:36:22.600 Yeah, it's a complex matter.

00:36:24.200 We have a lot of moving parts to keep an eye on.

00:36:26.620 It's not so simple as, oh, you know, one country crossed another country's sovereign borders

00:36:31.400 and we're the United States.

00:36:32.440 So we step in and stop the bully from doing that.

00:36:34.800 It's a lot more layered than that.

00:36:36.980 OK, let's shift gears.

00:36:38.040 Speaking of country and borders and let's go up north to the Canadian one where Justin Trudeau.

00:36:43.240 I mean, he he thinks he's Vladimir Putin.

00:36:46.520 He wants to be more of an authoritarian, apparently, because he has unleashed hell.

00:36:52.320 On these truckers and not just the truckers, but anybody who supported them.

00:36:56.460 Now we've seen an extension thanks to at least one half of the Canadian parliament.

00:37:01.520 It's got to pass both houses.

00:37:03.520 But so far, they're extending his emergency powers.

00:37:06.240 There's a very strong editorial in The Wall Street Journal saying none of this was necessary.

00:37:09.860 He didn't need emergency powers.

00:37:11.100 Regular law enforcement could have dealt with this problem.

00:37:13.120 The things that they're doing to sort of clear the areas in Ottawa and so on were all regular matters of law enforcement.

00:37:19.420 You didn't need to give Trudeau the power to seize people's bank accounts.

00:37:24.540 And so he's seizing the truckers, professional bank accounts, canceling their insurance policy so that they can't work at all.

00:37:31.420 And if you're some person who donated twenty five bucks or 50 bucks from your personal bank account now, some of those those private personal bank accounts are being seized.

00:37:42.880 And Justin Trudeau has zero problem with any of this.

00:37:47.180 What are we to make of it?

00:37:48.500 So I don't know if you've had her on yet.

00:37:50.020 There's an Alexandra Lavoie.

00:37:51.960 She's a reporter that was in the she's part of the not a part of the protest, but she's covering the Canadian protests.

00:37:56.900 Well, she got she was rebel.

00:37:59.060 I think she's with rebel news.

00:38:00.600 And we've had her colleague Ezra, Ezra Lavan done.

00:38:03.800 Yeah, fantastic.

00:38:04.700 But Trudeau has become the Canadian Fidel Castro.

00:38:08.900 I mean, he has really become a dictator up there.

00:38:11.600 He's a power drunk, hungry socialist who who says exactly what you said there.

00:38:17.380 What kind of constitution allows a government to go in and seize people's personal property for simple for peaceful protests?

00:38:23.780 I mean, they didn't do that with BLM here.

00:38:25.460 However, I've become very close to the people's convoy here in the United States, which is leaving Barstow, California tomorrow, trekking across the country, weeding its way through Texas and other states.

00:38:36.400 They don't announce where they're going to be.

00:38:38.260 But we know they're going to end up in the D.C. area on March 5th.

00:38:41.660 I'm going to ride the last leg of that with them.

00:38:43.700 And they're doing exactly the same thing the Canadian truckers did.

00:38:46.380 They're fighting for the for our freedoms.

00:38:47.940 Now, we have a constitution that protects that peaceful, peaceful protests.

00:38:51.320 They're going to be very peaceful.

00:38:52.280 The question is, will the United States crack down the way Canada is cracking down on the people who who showed up in Ottawa?

00:38:59.880 Let's hope not.

00:39:00.460 They didn't crack down in Minneapolis and Kenosha, in L.A.

00:39:04.300 and all the other cities that burned to the ground in 2020 on the heels of George Floyd's murder.

00:39:08.800 They didn't they didn't crack down on all the violence and rioting and looting that went on there.

00:39:12.900 Hopefully this becomes a peaceful protest.

00:39:14.940 And the D.C. swamp realizes that this is about our freedoms and we're willing to protect those truckers and people's convoy.

00:39:22.860 They got it going on.

00:39:24.500 Yeah.

00:39:24.740 In Canada and in here, there's a collapse of faith in the public health messengers and, you know, prophets like I call him the prophet Fauci because that's how he's treated by the mainstream media and the far left.

00:39:36.400 And at my little Upper West Side bookstore, there's literally a Dr. Fauci superhero doll you can buy and people buy it.

00:39:43.980 Not not even ironically.

00:39:45.460 But there's been a collapse in trust with apart from those crazy, you know, far left 10 percent people in public health messages.

00:39:55.340 And for good reason.

00:39:56.300 You know, we're seeing it all fall apart.

00:39:57.620 We're seeing reason to doubt them.

00:39:59.420 There's a report just today, Eric, about how the CDC has not been publishing large portions of the covid data that it's collecting because it basically admits it's not going to uphold its push for vaccines, in particular the booster.

00:40:14.040 But not just the booster, the hospital data on the hospitalizations of children and so on.

00:40:18.520 So they don't want to release it because it undermines their narrative.

00:40:21.160 And then when you try to talk about facts that may undermine their narrative, they block you.

00:40:25.060 They they organize letter writing campaigns against you.

00:40:27.960 They try to get you pulled off the air like they did with Joe Rogan.

00:40:30.060 So they're all connected.

00:40:31.500 Right.

00:40:31.820 Up in Canada, they decided to go out and protest in the streets over this nonsense.

00:40:35.200 Here, we're doing it as well.

00:40:37.360 Any sort of public messaging gets shut down and we're supposed to just take it.

00:40:41.720 Yeah.

00:40:41.860 Unfortunately, you're you're you're hitting the nail on the head here.

00:40:45.360 So they said it's all about the science three weeks to, you know, stop the spread.

00:40:49.860 And we realize all these things were were wrong.

00:40:53.260 They were just completely wrong about masks.

00:40:54.840 They were there may or may not have been wrong about vaccines.

00:40:58.480 Again, I'm vaccinated.

00:40:59.980 I'm pro vaccine, anti mandate, the mandate part, because we're not really sure you want to do it.

00:41:04.340 Do it for yourself.

00:41:04.920 But here's the point when the CDC admits that they were not exposing or sharing data that they knew would affect the way the narrative would would be seen by the people because they were so intent on having people vaccinated that they didn't want to show them what people what the actual science was saying.

00:41:24.020 Isn't that isn't that isn't that in itself a statism, a communism, a the government telling you what you can and can't do and with your own body?

00:41:36.620 I mean, it literally we've gone from a democratic republic into some sort of communist regime where the group, the big farmer gets together with the administration, who also gets backed by the vast majority of the mainstream media to make sure that the loop is closed and the narrative stays the same.

00:41:55.460 It becomes less about science and more about the politics of it, what they want.

00:41:58.880 And again, Megan, I'm telling you, we've talked about this for a long time, for two years of this pandemic.

00:42:03.740 This is all about money, money.

00:42:06.380 Big Pharma was the by far the biggest donator to Joe Biden campaign.

00:42:09.920 They they put eight and a half million dollars as a group into the Joe Biden 2020 campaign.

00:42:15.060 Everyone else, the next highest was Trump at about two and a half million dollars.

00:42:19.060 So it's almost more than triple the amount of money.

00:42:21.840 Why?

00:42:22.700 What happens?

00:42:23.640 Biden says, you know what?

00:42:24.700 Everyone's got to get everyone is mandated to get vaccinated.

00:42:27.680 Not once, not twice, not three times, four times of the boost.

00:42:30.280 Right.

00:42:30.460 Everyone, including five month down to whatever year olds for free.

00:42:35.820 Well, it's free to those people who are doing it because that's a lot of demand that you can create.

00:42:40.260 The demand means that there's a lot of medicine that these big pharma people are going to sell to our government, who's just printed five or six trillion dollars to pay for all that.

00:42:49.400 Send it over to big pharma and they turn around and send it back into these Democrats coffers.

00:42:53.240 It's a closed loop.

00:42:54.480 It's it's shady.

00:42:55.580 It's probably illegal.

00:42:57.420 And hopefully, hopefully the House goes and the Senate goes Republican next term.

00:43:02.700 Twenty twenty two.

00:43:03.380 It looks like it's going to.

00:43:04.440 And we start hearing some some of these people, some of these Pfizer CEOs and Moderna CEOs on the stand explaining why they're the biggest donors to the Democrats.

00:43:12.680 And is there any link to Democrats pushing their product on the American people?

00:43:16.440 Hmm. There's no there's no federal booster mandate yet, but there is in city after city in New York.

00:43:20.900 You're going to have to have it to enter a lot of facilities and so on.

00:43:23.360 And, you know, the thing that supports that theory, because I understand you could just make the argument.

00:43:29.000 I mean, it would just sort of make logical sense and you could say this is just what I believe.

00:43:32.280 But the thing that really adds to it, in my view, is the fact that they were doing they were pushing the vaccine at the expense of the therapeutics.

00:43:39.140 They didn't want any talk of therapeutics at all.

00:43:42.040 They weren't actively unleashing, you know, the way they did to generate the vaccine.

00:43:45.900 The companies to go get the therapeutics on it.

00:43:48.360 And when you had hydroxychloroquine came up, it was like, no, Ivermectin.

00:43:52.560 It was like, no, you had the Fauci squash machine come down and anybody pushing it.

00:43:56.780 So why? Why was the vaccine so prized over everything?

00:44:01.140 We can't get straight answers because they bury the information.

00:44:04.060 Yeah, you can. Because the therapeutics are cheap and they're, you know, Ivermectin.

00:44:08.160 It was like a 10 cents a dose.

00:44:10.680 You know what? Meanwhile, you're selling a Moderna vaccine that we cost hundred dollars per dose.

00:44:14.980 And they were selling and they were demanding.

00:44:17.320 They were mandating those.

00:44:18.340 And, you know, it really is if you it probably would be illegal if you were doing it in the public and the free, you know, your average investor, average person out in the markets trying to do this.

00:44:30.460 But these guys are scratching each other's back.

00:44:32.980 There's a string attached to every policy that the administration is making.

00:44:36.620 They get Fauci to sign on and say, yeah, this is definitely he's a doctor.

00:44:40.180 He's a doctor. He's a scientist. He's a doctor.

00:44:42.200 He knows what he's talking about.

00:44:42.920 The world's greatest virologist who's been.

00:44:44.840 Has he has he treated even one covid patient?

00:44:46.840 Has he treated even one even one covid patient?

00:44:49.320 No, he treated. He's been wrong about everything, Megan.

00:44:51.480 He came out and saying no masks.

00:44:52.880 Then he said mask. And then he said two masks.

00:44:54.940 And they said, you know, masks didn't matter.

00:44:56.400 And then I think wrong is being too generous.

00:44:58.540 You know, he's lied.

00:44:59.300 He admitted that he lied to us repeatedly.

00:45:01.200 He wasn't wrong. 0.97

00:45:02.160 There's a difference between making an error, which we would forgive and openly lying to us.

00:45:06.400 And then saying we have to stick a needle in our arm, but our in our baby's arm.

00:45:10.300 Right. Like that's what Fauci is guilty of.

00:45:12.840 You know what he was guilty of?

00:45:15.620 He's guilty of hiding for the Chinese. 1.00

00:45:17.680 He's guilty of blocking lead blocking for the Chinese. 0.71

00:45:20.660 They clearly started this pandemic.

00:45:23.340 It clearly started.

00:45:24.520 And now we believe it started in the Wuhan lab, which we've been talking about for a long time.

00:45:28.720 In the meantime, if you say, no, no, that's that's kabuki theory.

00:45:31.880 That's not proven that the Wuhan lab theory is real.

00:45:34.760 And also in the meantime, China destroys all our data from that Wuhan lab and then tells us they only lost 3000 people during the pandemic. 0.86

00:45:42.460 We've lost 600,000, 800,000, whatever the number is there.

00:45:46.160 They've lied and Fauci, he's hidden, he's blocked for that, for the Chinese. 1.00

00:45:52.080 And we've done less to the Chinese to hold them accountable than we're about to do to Russia for its border skirmish with Ukraine.

00:45:59.520 OK, let me let me shift gears because we lost a friend of ours, a mutual friend of ours and a former co-host of yours, Bob Beckel died.

00:46:08.180 Bob Beckel's dead, age of 73, the cause of death not released.

00:46:11.600 It's hard to believe, Eric, such a larger than life force, right?

00:46:16.620 It's hard to believe he's passed on.

00:46:19.160 So many, so many, so many great memories with Bob.

00:46:22.580 Bob used to sit in the breezeway smoking his little cigar and talk to anyone who would talk to him.

00:46:27.380 Bob, you know, you may not remember this, but Bob, the first day that the five was slated to become a show, we went and had lunch over at Del Frisco's across the street with the whole cast and crew and everything.

00:46:38.640 And Bob choked on a shrimp and I. Yes, you saved him. I did save him a Heimlich.

00:46:43.840 I did save him with the Heimlich and I wish I could do it again.

00:46:46.680 Bob was a was a unique character, a real true hero for in my book.

00:46:50.940 Hey, look, we had opposite political views, but that was a time when two people can have completely bipolar political views and come together and just be friends and have a good time and make some good TV.

00:47:02.900 Mm hmm. My husband talked to him for one of his books, spent so much time with Doug.

00:47:08.060 You know, he wasn't going to get anything out of this, but spent so much time with him talking about, you know, the golden days when he used to be able to run the Democrat campaign and talk to the guy running the Republican campaign and fight it out all day, but then have a drink together at night back when he was still drinking.

00:47:19.260 But, you know, it's just he always gave and gave and gave and never expected anything in return and so quick with a laugh and a compliment and support.

00:47:27.660 And man, we will miss him.

00:47:29.560 Eric Bolling. So good to see you. Love you as well.

00:47:32.360 Check him out on Newsmax. Everybody's a great, great show.

00:47:34.580 4 p.m. You can watch him there.

00:47:36.580 And up next, we're going to have a bit more on that authoritarian crackdown into Canada as a Canadian radio host who recently went independent, is here to share his story of what the media there did to him when he had the nerve to be a black man who with heterodox thinking.

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00:48:27.240 President Biden is expected to speak this afternoon within minutes, we're told, about Russia and sanctions while a Ukraine invasion is underway, though not necessarily in progress.

00:48:43.580 In other words, they went in, they took these two areas of Ukraine that are more pro-Russian and filled with a bunch of Russians.

00:48:50.280 Last we knew, they weren't continuing the march, though anything could happen.

00:48:55.680 That situation is clearly quite fluid.

00:48:58.380 Meantime, Canada's Justin Trudeau being accused of crossing a Democratic line of his own in his crackdown against the Freedom Convoy truckers.

00:49:06.520 Late last night, in a party line vote, his side won to continue his emergency measures as Canada's House of Commons approved the Emergencies Act extension.

00:49:18.080 Today, police are fully in control of the Canadian capital.

00:49:22.320 Convoy leaders are under arrest and people who supported them, even with small donations, have had their personal bank accounts frozen.

00:49:31.380 And the pain continues.

00:49:33.520 Jamil Javani is a Canadian radio personality who recently left his corporate gig and started a substack.

00:49:39.240 More on that later and what happened to him.

00:49:41.280 But first, let's go.

00:49:42.200 Let's talk about what's happening up north of our border.

00:49:45.320 Welcome, Jamil.

00:49:45.900 Thank you so much for having me, Megan.

00:49:48.080 Pleasure's mine.

00:49:48.940 So what's the reaction?

00:49:50.580 I realize that Canadians tend to be nicer than Americans.

00:49:54.480 They tend to take a bit more than we would take here, though clearly they have their breaking point.

00:49:59.380 So what's been the reaction to the Canadian Parliament, at least part of it, extending this emergency state that allows him to pursue these crazy measures?

00:50:09.660 Well, you're right.

00:50:10.280 You know, Canadians, we are very polite people.

00:50:13.220 You know, you step on our shoe on the street and we'll apologize to you.

00:50:17.320 That's sort of what we're known for.

00:50:19.780 But it's also a reality.

00:50:21.080 And we have put up with a lot.

00:50:22.720 I mean, you know, the decision of the Trudeau government to continue pushing these mandates onto the truckers, onto others, despite the fact that 90 percent of our population has gotten vaccinated.

00:50:35.980 It just seems like such an unnecessary, brutal action.

00:50:40.440 And that's what led to the trucker convoy.

00:50:43.000 And the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, is continuing on this path of using his power in ways that are completely unnecessary.

00:50:50.840 What's interesting, as you noted, Megan, about the party line vote is that the reason why Justin Trudeau is able to get his Liberal Party members to all vote in this direction and also to get our Socialist Party, the NDP in Canada, to vote in this direction is because he made it what is called a confidence vote.

00:51:11.700 And in our parliamentary system, what that means is if his party didn't support him 100 percent, it could have triggered an election.

00:51:19.960 And so a lot of the people who voted in favor of him getting the Emergency Act passed are actually doing so because they didn't want an election, not because they agree with him.

00:51:29.720 Wow. All right.

00:51:30.300 So here's here was his message to parliament about why it was necessary to give him these powers officially to let him roll with these.

00:51:38.460 This is Justin Trudeau from Monday, Soundbite 2.

00:51:42.220 I ask all members of parliament to take action against illegal blockades and to stand up for public safety and for the freedom of Canadians.

00:51:54.660 Invoking the Emergencies Act has been necessary.

00:51:58.400 In a democracy, you can protest.

00:52:01.820 You can share your opinion at the top of your lungs.

00:52:05.200 You can disagree with elected officials.

00:52:07.640 You can certainly disagree with me.

00:52:11.180 But you can't harass your fellow citizens who disagree with you.

00:52:16.940 You can't hold a city hostage.

00:52:20.160 You can't block a critical trade corridor and deprive people of their jobs.

00:52:26.040 You can't attack journalists for reporting, which is essential to our democracy.

00:52:31.800 It's pretty crazy when you listen to that and and think back on how he felt very differently when the BLM protests were going on inside Canada.

00:52:40.960 And by the way, as for the harassment of journalists, we just had Eric Bolling on.

00:52:45.580 Why don't you tell it to to the Rebel News journalists, including Alexa, who we were talking about with Eric Bolling.

00:52:51.980 You can see her.

00:52:52.880 I'll just play it.

00:52:53.540 The Soundbite 5.

00:52:54.280 You can see her getting hit with a billy club. 0.88

00:52:56.660 Talk about harassment.

00:52:57.740 Here's some.

00:52:58.260 It's crazy.

00:53:18.620 So for our listening audience, you can see this young woman.

00:53:21.200 She's holding a stick mic.

00:53:22.640 She's clearly not just some random, you know, bully.

00:53:26.480 And this cop comes up to her with his billy club turned horizontally and shoves it against her. 0.99

00:53:31.520 You can't tell.

00:53:32.260 But what I what I'm told is up against her neck over and over and over.

00:53:36.520 So your thoughts on it, Jamil.

00:53:38.220 Well, it's frustrating to see and hear, you know, those images, those those interactions, those conflicts between citizens, journalists and police officers.

00:53:51.160 The unfortunate thing here is that the Trudeau government has picked cops against the community.

00:53:58.280 You know, you mentioned Black Lives Matter earlier, Megan.

00:54:00.740 I mean, this is the same prime minister who kneeled with Black Lives Matter protesters, called our country racist, called police officers racist, and then decided to put police officers in these tense situations where they're in conflict with citizens and journalists.

00:54:18.780 Keeping in mind, by the way, that the police chief of Ottawa resigned a week ago.

00:54:24.380 The first black police chief, by the way, in Ottawa's history, which is just another layer of what's going on here in terms of the hypocrisy of the Trudeau government treating police officers in many ways like pawns to do their bidding.

00:54:38.500 It's incredibly frustrating when it comes to video of the of the BLM protests in Canada.

00:54:43.980 And while it didn't approach what we saw here in America in terms of the violence and the, you know, the looting and so on, it doesn't look like it was exactly a picnic and completely law abiding either.

00:54:56.820 And yet, you know, back then, like you point out, he was out there marching with them.

00:55:00.740 Look, you can see the people running in the streets and kicking over the garbage.

00:55:04.400 And he was like, yeah, let's go out and protest with them.

00:55:06.660 I'll be with them right in the middle of the road, blocking traffic.

00:55:08.820 The very things he said you cannot do.

00:55:11.460 But he supported that fully, Jamil, fully.

00:55:14.840 And now what is he?

00:55:16.020 How does he distinguish between the two?

00:55:18.020 Oh, he says, well, the truckers are all racists based on what?

00:55:21.140 One flag with a swastika on it that wasn't even tied directly to an actual protester as opposed to somebody there trying to make protesters look bad.

00:55:30.940 You're absolutely right.

00:55:31.900 And the reality is when those BLM protests were happening, we weren't even supposed to be gathered in groups.

00:55:37.480 That was at the height of COVID and everyone was told to stay inside.

00:55:41.840 Unless, of course, COVID doesn't go after you when you're a BLM protester.

00:55:46.740 So the hypocrisy knows no bounds here.

00:55:49.560 And the reality is this.

00:55:51.040 Justin Trudeau is gaslighting not just my fellow Canadians, but the entire world right now.

00:55:55.800 You heard him go on television and say this is for freedom.

00:55:58.860 How exactly could restricting our civil rights and civil liberties lead to make more freedom?

00:56:06.280 It's just it's it's just all these mind games that get done to make us not realize what is going on, including focusing, by the way, on the mainstream media corporations who love to make martyrs and victims out of their journalists who tow the government's line on all of these issues.

00:56:22.840 And meanwhile, the vast majority of these protests with these truckers were annoying from what we've heard for the local citizenry.

00:56:30.520 But it's not like the truckers were going after the locals, trying to hurt the locals, looking for opportunities to create havoc or cause violence.

00:56:39.300 And as you point out, he sends the cops in and treats them like they're violent criminals.

00:56:44.840 And now we are seeing skirmishes like we saw some woman get trampled by a police officer on his horse.

00:56:51.460 This is soundbite for you can hear some of the desktop for our audience at home.

00:56:56.560 Oh, come on through.

00:56:58.200 Come on through.

00:56:59.600 What is happening here?

00:57:01.460 Wow.

00:57:02.240 What is this lady doing? 1.00

00:57:03.680 Trampling.

00:57:04.600 Trampling horses.

00:57:06.080 Trampling.

00:57:06.960 Stop it.

00:57:07.940 Stop it.

00:57:08.500 Stop it.

00:57:08.780 What?

00:57:09.300 Oh, my God.

00:57:10.380 Oh, my God.

00:57:11.800 What the hell is that?

00:57:12.920 You can see bodies on the ground and the horse is going right over them.

00:57:16.920 They just trampled that lady. 1.00

00:57:19.680 They just fully trampled that lady. 1.00

00:57:22.460 They just fully trampled that lady. 1.00

00:57:24.240 And, Jamil, this is what this is what people are saying now from our Wall Street Journal to, you know, the more right leaning pundits in Canada.

00:57:31.760 You know, like I was talking about Ezra Levant saying this isn't necessary.

00:57:35.740 Like this isn't there.

00:57:36.820 They're treating these truckers like they are like some sort of crazed band of bandits out there setting fires and causing havoc and looting stores.

00:57:47.200 And they weren't.

00:57:48.320 Well, you're right.

00:57:49.740 And it's not even just, you know, pundits or journalists who are making this point.

00:57:55.160 Even premiers in Canada, which is the equivalent of a governor in Alberta, Saskatchewan, they're making the exact same point.

00:58:02.400 You know, Justin Trudeau referenced the trade corridor between Michigan and Ontario that was blockaded a couple weeks back.

00:58:11.480 And they were able to resolve that blockade without him, you know, using the suspending our civil rights and using the Emergencies Act to pit police officers against citizens.

00:58:22.400 So it's it's very bizarre that they've proven they could resolve these things without the violence, without the manipulation of our laws and our liberties.

00:58:31.820 And yet he's now arguing that he has to do this in order to clear a few blocks in our capital city.

00:58:38.120 You had the deputy prime minister, Ms. Freeland, come out last week and warned that what they were going to do to the bank accounts and so on.

00:58:46.760 And I'll play you that. But indeed, it appears they're doing it. Here she is. Soundbite one.

00:58:52.480 If your truck is being used in these protests, your corporate accounts will be frozen.

00:59:00.220 The insurance on your vehicle will be suspended.

00:59:05.360 The consequences are real and they will bite.

00:59:10.420 And not just the truckers, but anyone who donated twenty five bucks to them, 50 bucks.

00:59:16.940 We're hearing reports of people being fired from their jobs once it's emerged that they donated fifty dollars to support what freedom to support some pushback on the vaccine mandates.

00:59:26.440 That's what it started as. And it became more about government authoritarianism.

00:59:30.120 But that's a that's a protected political view. At least it would be here in America.

00:59:34.840 As it should be. You know, what's happening with the freezing of bank accounts.

00:59:39.060 You're right, Megan. There are stories of single moms who work at diners who donated fifty dollars and have now had their bank accounts frozen. 0.92

00:59:46.960 I mean, the impact this is having on working class and middle class families is significant.

00:59:51.860 And it is a way of just cracking down on political dissent.

00:59:56.940 You know, Christia Freeland, our deputy prime minister, who you mentioned, she was a journalist and a writer.

01:00:03.200 Before she got into politics, she covered countries all around the world that did this kind of stuff to their citizens. 0.52

01:00:08.700 And before she got into Trudeau's government, she probably would have opposed these things.

01:00:13.780 But this is what happens when power is at your fingertips.

01:00:17.060 We've seen from Justin Trudeau, we've seen from Christia Freeland an appetite for power that transcends principles, values and ethics.

01:00:25.560 He the Wall Street Journal put it as follows.

01:00:28.640 Mr. Trudeau criminalized a protest movement deputizing financial institutions without due process or liability to find and freeze personal accounts of blockaders and anyone who helps them.

01:00:41.180 These extraordinary measures are a needless abuse of power.

01:00:45.260 Now, I'd like to think if that happened here, I mean, that that is extreme, freezing the personal bank accounts of people making a $20 donation.

01:00:54.440 I like to think we would throw that politician out on his ear.

01:00:57.920 But Canada is extremely liberal.

01:01:00.560 Trudeau's party is liberal and in charge.

01:01:02.680 So what are the odds that this actually does come back to haunt him politically in any way?

01:01:07.760 It's a great question.

01:01:08.620 And I think it's important to note, Megan, that a lot of this crackdown on the trucker convoy began with American corporations like GoFundMe.

01:01:18.800 So we've seen, you know, the thread that we're seeing in Canada does go back to the United States.

01:01:24.420 It does go back to woke corporations.

01:01:26.840 It goes back to this overwhelming desire from some people in positions of power to want to control what we say, when we say it, how we think.

01:01:36.440 And so we do worry about this expanding beyond just the 30 days that Justin Trudeau has asked for this power.

01:01:44.840 They've already alluded to the possibility it could last for months.

01:01:48.120 We worry about it happening to our brothers and sisters in other countries, like in the United States, because we've seen collaboration between American corporations and the Canadian government to make these sorts of things happen.

01:02:01.260 So it is a it's a scary idea that there aren't enough checks and balances.

01:02:04.900 And this is not a common feature in Canadian democracy.

01:02:09.300 The only other times this has been used, this power that Justin Trudeau is invoking now, is during world wars or when there was a terrorist attack and Justin Trudeau's father, Pierre Trudeau, was the prime minister.

01:02:22.720 So it's been decades since this power was used.

01:02:25.220 And I think it is revealing that he is so quick and hungry to have this power himself.

01:02:32.260 My hope is that enough Canadians and frankly, also enough people outside of the country like yourself will draw attention to this so that he feels some accountability.

01:02:41.460 But unfortunately, you know, he's proven to be someone who likes to avoid accountability at all costs.

01:02:46.560 All right. He put his tail between his legs and hid rather than speaking with the truckers and hearing them out, even at a time when covid is receding and the restrictions are coming down one by one.

01:02:57.900 Even then, he couldn't even make it look like he was talking with them and extending an olive branch.

01:03:02.640 He had to just call them racists, try to dismiss them and then try to ruin their lives.

01:03:06.720 I'll tell you something, Jamil, if if that happened here in America, if the Biden administration has the nerve to try to do any of this to this trucker convoy that's starting to organize here domestically in the wake of giving BLM a total pass on the rioting and the looting and in too many cases, the physical violence and even murders we saw happen, all hell is going to break loose.

01:03:29.960 They they will be forced to pay at the ballot box this November in in a way that they're not even anticipating.

01:03:37.400 There's no way the American people are going to allow that double standard.

01:03:39.900 All right. Stand by, because you mentioned these woke corporations which are ruining your country and mine.

01:03:44.700 And it is corporations. And I've read that in your sub stack.

01:03:47.760 It's not just these individual journalists that we can call out as being pernicious forces.

01:03:52.240 It's the corporations that back them up, that want to exploit these divisions between us to line their pockets or make themselves look better.

01:03:59.960 And then watch the rest of us fight.

01:04:02.100 And Jamil's fallen victim to victim to that himself.

01:04:04.700 He's been the target of said corporations and has got some thoughts on it.

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01:04:49.360 Jamil, let's talk about you, because your personal story is really interesting to me.

01:04:52.820 You're a young guy, right?

01:04:53.960 34 years old?

01:04:55.100 Yes, that's right, Megan.

01:04:56.500 Okay.

01:04:56.880 And as I understand it, you wound up at Yale Law School with our pal, J.D. Vance.

01:05:02.940 I did, yeah.

01:05:03.680 We were classmates together, and he was my best friend at Yale and really happy to see

01:05:09.000 his success.

01:05:10.300 That's amazing.

01:05:10.900 So you're Canadian?

01:05:11.720 Were you born and raised in Canada?

01:05:13.400 Yeah, in the Toronto area.

01:05:15.000 Living in New Haven, Connecticut was my first time outside of Canada.

01:05:20.160 Okay.

01:05:20.560 And how did you do that?

01:05:21.920 Like, how did you make it into Yale Law School?

01:05:23.580 He's got such a fascinating story.

01:05:25.440 What's your story?

01:05:27.380 Yeah, mine is also, you know, an unlikely journey.

01:05:30.900 I was born in Toronto.

01:05:32.620 My father is from Kenya.

01:05:34.980 He immigrated to Canada.

01:05:36.560 And my mother is the daughter of Irish-Scottish immigrants after World War II.

01:05:42.060 And so I was raised primarily by my mother.

01:05:45.540 And I was just, you know, like a lot of kids, struggling, getting into trouble, not fitting

01:05:49.560 in.

01:05:50.320 When I was in high school, they actually declared me illiterate because I couldn't read and write

01:05:56.400 at grade level, or at least that's what they thought.

01:05:59.340 So I struggled a lot in school.

01:06:01.260 And it wasn't until getting out of high school that I was able to turn things around.

01:06:05.560 I got some good mentors.

01:06:06.840 Some people believed in me, got into a different environment, and I went to community college

01:06:11.980 and just kind of took off from there.

01:06:13.920 So in less than about six years, about five years, I went from being illiterate to being

01:06:19.220 JD's classmate at Yale.

01:06:21.160 So it was a very, very quick turnaround in life.

01:06:23.900 And it took me a while to get adjusted.

01:06:26.140 Let's put it that way.

01:06:27.320 That's amazing.

01:06:28.180 Well, I mean, you've been very open about growing up without your dad and the impact that

01:06:34.360 had on you, and you've extrapolated that to the experience a lot of young Black men have,

01:06:39.180 in particular, of growing up in fatherless households, and the cultural impacts that it

01:06:44.660 can have.

01:06:45.820 It's something that you're not really supposed to talk about.

01:06:48.420 You know that, like in polite society, certainly if you're a white person, you're certainly

01:06:51.440 not supposed to talk about it.

01:06:52.920 You've been pretty bold in going a different way.

01:06:55.260 Why?

01:06:56.360 Well, because I think if we want to solve a lot of the biggest problems in the United States

01:07:01.200 and in Canada, we need to talk about the family.

01:07:04.680 You know, I always try to help people understand that when you grow up without a dad, you look

01:07:09.680 for one every time you leave the house.

01:07:11.820 And when I was a kid, I was looking for male role models everywhere.

01:07:15.860 And, you know, I didn't often have the best options.

01:07:19.000 And that had a tremendous impact on my life and a big part of why it took so long for me

01:07:24.300 to even believe in myself enough to try hard in school.

01:07:27.500 And how someone who could go on to be an Ivy League student was considered illiterate in

01:07:33.040 the only language that he knows, right?

01:07:35.640 So it's such a big issue.

01:07:37.840 And I really do believe if we want to solve problems and not just, you know, whine and

01:07:42.300 complain about grievances, we do need to talk about what's happening in our homes.

01:07:47.060 So the father is incredibly important, of course, as is the mother.

01:07:51.480 The family unit is probably the most important thing for a child.

01:07:55.580 And our first line of defense for children from the bad influences that await them.

01:08:01.980 I had Jason Reilly of The Wall Street Journal on not long ago talking about his latest book.

01:08:05.780 And he grew up in Buffalo, New York.

01:08:08.160 And he writes in his earlier, an earlier book about how it could have gone either way.

01:08:13.900 You know, how he could have been pulled over into a far more criminal element than the one

01:08:18.960 he was really kind of being raised in.

01:08:20.460 And he was, you know, he's been raised in a nice family that didn't want him to do anything

01:08:23.900 close to illegal.

01:08:25.180 But the town was, you know, kind of going another way, at least a faction of it.

01:08:29.240 And he talks about some of his friends who got pulled into drugs and crime and died very young.

01:08:35.500 And just how chilling it was for him to realize how close that was for him.

01:08:40.960 If he had made a couple of different decisions.

01:08:44.200 Can you relate to that?

01:08:45.800 Absolutely.

01:08:46.600 You know, I'm a big admirer of Jason.

01:08:48.520 I know his work well.

01:08:49.680 And I do think he touches on a very relatable experience for me and many others who did

01:08:55.360 see, you know, our peer group fail to live up to their potential.

01:08:59.540 In many cases, lack the supports needed to become the student or the innovator that the

01:09:06.060 creative thinker that they could have been.

01:09:08.440 So, yes, I mean, I have friends who I grew up with who wound up in prison, who wound up in

01:09:13.040 all sort of criminal situations.

01:09:15.300 And they are, none of them were less capable than I am.

01:09:19.740 Frankly, a lot of the time it felt like a matter of luck, whether you wound up in the

01:09:24.060 worst spot or in a slightly better spot.

01:09:27.240 So I definitely relate to Jason's experience in Buffalo.

01:09:31.460 And what I would say is, I think that's one of the reasons why I get so frustrated with,

01:09:36.400 you know, political correctness.

01:09:37.680 Because when you've seen the consequences of these things in real life, when you know

01:09:42.680 people who are affected by these real social issues, you just don't have time and energy

01:09:48.180 and tolerance for dancing around the real issue because you want to solve them.

01:09:52.680 You want to save lives.

01:09:54.040 And it's people who live at the top of ivory towers who have the luxury of being able to

01:09:58.880 theorize about these things and point fingers at everyone else and not try to actually move

01:10:04.000 things forward.

01:10:04.700 It's so true. 0.84

01:10:05.860 I mean, if you've had real problems in your life, you don't have a lot of tolerance for

01:10:08.500 language policing.

01:10:09.560 It's like, let's just get to the point.

01:10:11.200 We both know what we're talking about.

01:10:12.660 Let's duke it out on whether it's a good idea or a bad idea.

01:10:15.620 But stop policing my language all the time, right?

01:10:18.620 It's like only one of the many problems with wokeness.

01:10:21.520 So you graduate from Yale Law School, you start practicing law, and then life deals you yet

01:10:27.560 another whopper at age 30.

01:10:31.280 In 2018, you got some bad medical news.

01:10:35.040 Tell us about it.

01:10:37.160 Yeah, it was a very tough situation, Megan, because, you know, when you graduate from law

01:10:41.520 school, you sort of have this sense of life is going to be easier now, right?

01:10:45.500 Like you're making money.

01:10:47.000 I mean, you're still paying off student loans, but you're making some money, you know, you're

01:10:50.620 living in a nicer neighborhood, you're able to help your mom, help your sisters, and then

01:10:55.440 you just sort of get taken down a notch again.

01:10:58.500 And you get reminded that, you know, a good education and a good salary doesn't save you

01:11:04.060 from hardship.

01:11:05.200 You know, in this case, for me, it was stage four cancer, which, you know, just completely

01:11:10.540 turned my life upside down.

01:11:11.960 And I wound up for almost a year on chemotherapy and radiation.

01:11:17.380 Eventually, I did go into remission.

01:11:20.300 But it was a very challenging time.

01:11:21.860 It was a time where I had very many moments where it was just me and the good Lord in a

01:11:26.420 dark hospital room and, you know, praying that I'd be able to get a chance to, you know,

01:11:30.860 work again, have a career, live my life.

01:11:33.140 And I'm grateful every day that I got it.

01:11:36.160 Because, you know, you're not guaranteed it.

01:11:38.540 Even at my 30s, I'm reminded that, you know, none of these things are a guarantee.

01:11:44.260 Yeah.

01:11:44.760 Stage four lymphoma is nothing to shake a stick at.

01:11:48.080 So you did, I mean, forgive me for not understanding how to ask about this, but did you beat it?

01:11:53.620 Or did you go into remission?

01:11:55.100 I'm not exactly sure what the term should be.

01:11:57.880 No, you're right.

01:11:58.640 Yeah, I went into remission a couple of years ago.

01:12:02.080 And it's one of those things where for, you know, at least five to 10 years, I'm going

01:12:05.840 to be tested all the time.

01:12:07.260 And I got to tell you, it is still incredibly stressful when I go in for these tests, not

01:12:13.620 knowing what's going to come.

01:12:15.740 And especially when, which has happened many times in my case, because I had a very aggressive

01:12:20.520 form of cancer.

01:12:21.740 I get a lot of inconclusive tests where they don't know whether the cancers come back.

01:12:26.680 And it takes months before I get a final answer.

01:12:29.520 And those times are just so stressful.

01:12:33.120 But, you know, that's that's where faith in God comes into play.

01:12:36.020 If I if I didn't have, you know, Jesus Christ, I'd be stressing out all the time.

01:12:40.460 And it would be hard to take the leap of faith to to to actually move my life forward, not

01:12:46.220 knowing, you know, if I if I'm going to get hit by cancer again, like a truck coming out

01:12:50.880 of nowhere.

01:12:51.840 My God, and this strength that must be building because you have no choice but to wait.

01:12:55.880 You can't rush it along.

01:12:56.880 You have no choice.

01:12:57.660 So you've got to be building strength, resilience, incredible patience, tolerance during those

01:13:04.400 intolerable months.

01:13:06.620 So, I mean, as I read your story, it's struggle after struggle that you overcome through faith,

01:13:13.040 through family, through grit, initiative, character.

01:13:16.660 And then you get this extraordinary opportunity like two years after your your diagnosis from

01:13:24.020 Bell Media, Bell Media.

01:13:26.100 That's up in Canada, I guess.

01:13:27.660 And they come and they say, how would you like to host a primetime radio show for us?

01:13:33.780 And you're like, hell, yes.

01:13:36.100 Right.

01:13:36.320 I mean, like you must be excited about this.

01:13:37.920 Yeah, I was very excited, you know, for a number of reasons, as you noted, because it was just

01:13:44.260 a couple of years after cancer.

01:13:45.660 And it's, you know, it's, it's, it was, it was just a good feeling to be like, you know,

01:13:51.100 I never knew if I was going to be able to use my voice again, to now being able to use

01:13:55.400 it, you know, on this platform.

01:13:56.800 So I was very excited about that.

01:13:58.700 And I was also very excited, Megan, because of the timing, you know, George Floyd was just

01:14:03.900 killed.

01:14:04.360 And at this point in 2020, in the summer, and Black Lives Matter was all over the news all

01:14:11.100 over the media.

01:14:11.760 And there was this sort of groupthink, this moral panic that was taking hold, where it

01:14:17.840 seemed like everyone was afraid to disagree with them over some really important issues,

01:14:22.700 including some of the family stuff that we talked about, by the way, since Black Lives

01:14:26.640 Matter has been pretty openly against the nuclear family.

01:14:30.200 So when I got this chance to host a radio show, I'm thinking, wow, like, I get to actually

01:14:34.560 provide a voice to push back on some of that stuff, because it's really important.

01:14:39.420 And because I was seeing all these images coming out of Washington, D.C., there's a church set

01:14:44.300 on fire, and other parts of the United States, police stations are set in fire, and St.

01:14:49.160 Louis, a Black cop was killed.

01:14:50.940 And I felt like we needed some course correction.

01:14:55.040 We needed to balance out the conversation.

01:14:57.200 So yeah, I started off very excited about that job.

01:15:00.960 And then, I mean, we've heard this story before.

01:15:03.660 Now, I will admit, it doesn't often happen to a Black man.

01:15:06.880 With your backstory, I mean, it's just egregious, but we've heard this story before.

01:15:12.300 Then once they got to hear your more heterodox views, right, that you did not sound like Don

01:15:19.060 Lemon, you sounded more like Jason Reilly, they were not so hot on you suddenly, Jamil.

01:15:25.900 Yeah, you know, as the months went by, it started to feel like there was an expectation from some

01:15:34.500 of the, you know, senior management at the company, who managed the iHeartRadio talk network

01:15:40.540 in Canada.

01:15:41.600 And they sort of, it was almost like, you know, you aren't the Black guy we were hoping for, 1.00

01:15:48.400 right?

01:15:48.740 Like, it was this sort of weird...

01:15:49.900 If you could just say these other things, everything would work out great.

01:15:52.260 Like, yeah, like, and in some way, I think it's because, and I would imagine you may have

01:15:57.600 experienced this at times in your career too, Megan, as a woman, where there's this sort

01:16:01.820 of sense of, as the workplace becomes more diverse, or as a radio station or a TV station

01:16:07.560 becomes more diverse, there are people who think they sort of get to control what the

01:16:12.180 new person gets to say.

01:16:13.900 So in my case, as a Black person, there were people who seemed to think they knew what a

01:16:18.320 Black man with a radio show was supposed to think about all these different issues.

01:16:22.600 And when I did not go in the direction they wanted, it just built up over time, this sort

01:16:27.900 of resentment and this frustration towards me, which started to boil over about a year

01:16:33.360 in, where it became obvious that, you know, when we were approaching our national independence

01:16:38.860 day in Canada, for example, they wanted us to go on the radio and repeat Justin Trudeau

01:16:44.560 style talking points, apologizing for our country, calling our country racist.

01:16:50.300 And I just wasn't willing to do that.

01:16:51.640 I mean, you know, my story, Megan, how many countries in the world does a kid get declared

01:16:56.480 illiterate in high school, and then get a chance to change his life?

01:17:01.220 In most parts of the world, if you screw up as a kid, like I did, you're toast, you don't

01:17:05.640 get a second chance.

01:17:07.000 And so how could I be so ungrateful, so resentful to my own country?

01:17:10.780 And just this media company, Bell Media, just was full of senior management who couldn't

01:17:16.020 understand that.

01:17:17.880 So how did that get communicated to you?

01:17:20.460 You know, do they sit you down and say, here's what we want you to say?

01:17:23.560 Or like they suggested you, like, how do you know what they want you to say?

01:17:27.220 And how do you know they're unhappy with what you did say?

01:17:31.500 Well, sometimes it is sort of the sort of unsaid vibes you can get from people, right?

01:17:37.180 And I think we all have experienced that at work, where someone's just giving you looks

01:17:40.500 or treating you in a way where it's clear you're not being valued.

01:17:44.340 But there were some moments where it became very clear.

01:17:46.780 So for example, we were actually asked in the summer of 2021 to air clips the day before

01:17:54.900 our Independence Day decrying our country as racist, going on the radio and playing clips

01:18:00.260 from all sorts of activists and academics, you know, in my view, unfairly criticizing

01:18:07.660 our country.

01:18:08.900 And, you know, I didn't do that.

01:18:10.980 I just refused to do so.

01:18:12.720 There were other times where we were asked as employees to join equity consultations, where

01:18:19.260 we were going to be divided up based on our gender, our race, our sexuality.

01:18:23.340 I think some of us probably would have had to attend three or four of those meetings to

01:18:26.720 cover all of our identities.

01:18:28.280 Um, and I just refused to participate.

01:18:31.000 And I said things to them in emails where I said, Hey, like, I understand you're doing

01:18:35.700 this diversity, equity, inclusion thing, but could we also think about diversity of

01:18:40.140 thought?

01:18:40.600 And I would get no replies to that.

01:18:42.640 They just refuse to talk to me about those sorts of things.

01:18:44.720 So no.

01:18:45.600 Okay.

01:18:46.180 What do they want the mixed race people to do? 1.00

01:18:49.540 Like if you could just have the white affinity group and the black affinity group sitting right 0.94

01:18:52.740 next to each other, that would really help me out.

01:18:54.240 I'll just sit on the little line there and I'll please everybody.

01:18:56.560 Yeah.

01:18:58.260 And, and that's the thing.

01:18:59.260 It's like when they bring this stuff into the workplace, you know, this diversity, equity,

01:19:03.060 inclusion stuff, it forces you to be at odds with your employer.

01:19:07.460 If you don't go along to get along and in good conscience, I just couldn't participate in

01:19:12.640 these things.

01:19:13.220 So you could feel the tension growing because I was not being welcomed to share my perspective

01:19:18.980 on these issues.

01:19:19.760 And they're making you think about your race, which is not necessarily something you want

01:19:23.920 to think about while you're doing your job or, and, or in my case, your lady parts or

01:19:27.920 your sexuality.

01:19:29.200 Maybe you don't want to be thinking about that while you're at the office.

01:19:31.240 Maybe you want to be thinking about inflation or the trucker convoy or something other than

01:19:35.820 your immutable characteristics, which used to have no place in the workforce.

01:19:40.380 Exactly.

01:19:42.860 And that's, you know, the right that we should all have, you know, regardless of your background,

01:19:48.160 your gender, your identity, you should be able to make those choices of how much do you

01:19:52.720 want that to be part of your experience at work.

01:19:55.060 And these big corporations are giving you no choice.

01:19:57.940 They're forcing this political agenda on all of us.

01:20:00.920 So how big, like in the United States, we have so many amazing, as I said, heterodox 0.67

01:20:07.680 thinkers within the black community, mixed race, whatever, who they do take a beating.

01:20:12.820 You know, I mean, Jason, we've been talking about Larry Elder.

01:20:15.040 He was called the black face of white supremacy when he ran for governor of California.

01:20:18.860 Clarence Thomas is called, you know, an Uncle Tom all the time, Supreme Court justice.

01:20:22.980 I could go on.

01:20:24.080 Candace Owens.

01:20:25.020 They just, they take it in a way that's especially cruel and diminishing.

01:20:31.680 So what's it like in Canada?

01:20:33.160 Do you, is it, you know, do you have like a strong contingent of, you know, black thinkers

01:20:37.900 who just refuse to go along to get along?

01:20:41.280 Well, we do sort of under the radar.

01:20:44.580 We have those, those members of our community, academics, conservative activists, thoughtful,

01:20:52.560 heterodox thinkers.

01:20:53.540 Unfortunately, above the radar, and I don't mean this to make myself seem more important

01:20:59.940 than I am.

01:21:00.780 I was kind of the only one.

01:21:02.420 I mean, we have a few people who are politicians, black politicians from the conservative party

01:21:07.440 who are insanely valuable.

01:21:10.240 Leslyn Lewis, Casey Maddu, for example.

01:21:13.340 But in the media space, it just is me.

01:21:16.360 And that's why I was such a target.

01:21:17.980 Like, I was the only person from the black community to have anything but a far left perspective

01:21:24.220 in mainstream media.

01:21:26.380 And that's one of the reasons why I've gotten more support, frankly, from American media

01:21:31.260 since I got fired than Canadian media.

01:21:34.280 Because a lot of people in Canadian media are afraid they're going to lose their job if

01:21:37.820 they even talk about what happened to me.

01:21:39.380 There is a very repressive culture when it comes to true diversity of thought in Canadian

01:21:46.420 mainstream media.

01:21:47.740 And that's one of the reasons why in Canada we have such rosy, glowing coverage of someone

01:21:52.920 like Justin Trudeau.

01:21:54.360 Mm-hmm.

01:21:55.000 So it's just strange to me because I guess it was Bell Media for whom you worked, but they're

01:21:59.140 connected in some way to I Heart Canada because I Heart America, they're very pro-free speech.

01:22:06.220 I mean, that's who produced Rush Limbaugh for all those years and stood by him.

01:22:10.840 And so I guess there's obviously a dichotomy between the way the American group and the

01:22:16.000 Canada group work.

01:22:17.740 So how long did it take for them, Bell Media, to come to you and say, you're fired?

01:22:22.260 Well, it took them about a year and a half.

01:22:26.920 As we got close to the end of last year, right before Christmas time, some of the executives

01:22:33.760 just got a lot more aggressive with trying to change the content of my show, including

01:22:39.320 sending some accusatory emails, which I still to this day can't believe they put in writing.

01:22:44.700 And this is one of the reasons why I'm allowed to go out and talk about this.

01:22:47.760 And they can't sue me because I could prove everything I'm saying.

01:22:50.680 They put in writing their desire to question my commitment to diversity and inclusion because

01:22:57.780 I would talk about things like Dave Chappelle or J.K.

01:23:01.280 Rowling and their views on gender ideology because I refuse to condemn other people in

01:23:07.820 the Black community who are unvaccinated.

01:23:10.340 Like they really tried to push a certain political agenda on me in writing and I just rejected it

01:23:16.520 and I refused.

01:23:17.460 So they pulled me off the air and they said, oh, in the new year, we'll have a meeting.

01:23:22.560 We'll work out these issues.

01:23:24.360 I showed up to that meeting in early January and the people, the executives, the management

01:23:30.160 who are supposed to be there to talk about diversity and inclusion, they didn't even show

01:23:34.640 up.

01:23:35.320 Instead, it was a human resource.

01:23:36.720 I've got to ask you, are these white people?

01:23:39.420 They are all white people. 0.97

01:23:40.460 Yes.

01:23:40.620 Of course.

01:23:41.180 All white liberals.

01:23:42.280 Of course.

01:23:42.920 Of course, it's perfect.

01:23:45.480 Exactly.

01:23:46.620 And so the human resources person is the one who I find when I show up to the meeting

01:23:52.280 and she tells me, oh, there's been a restructuring and you're no longer needed.

01:23:57.020 And I said to her, like, OK, well, are we going to get to talk about the issues that,

01:24:01.820 you know, led to this point?

01:24:03.180 Because for me, that's the most important part.

01:24:05.980 Like, you know, I'm a lawyer.

01:24:07.880 I never expected a radio show.

01:24:10.920 I don't feel entitled to a radio show.

01:24:13.140 If this was a business decision, I'd be happy to accept it.

01:24:16.520 But this is clearly a political decision and they're trying to pretend otherwise.

01:24:20.500 And again, this is why they have never sued me.

01:24:23.280 They've never sent me a cease or desist letter.

01:24:25.640 They don't even try to stop me from talking about this because I can prove everything I'm

01:24:29.940 saying is true. 0.83

01:24:31.220 Plus, can you imagine if you actually then had the right to discovery and got to see what

01:24:34.540 they were saying between themselves?

01:24:36.460 I mean, it's almost worth it just to see.

01:24:39.540 So so but that so you started so you got fired and then you started posting on Substack, which

01:24:44.320 everybody should check out.

01:24:45.320 Well, first of all, let's just do some business.

01:24:46.900 How can they find you on Substack?

01:24:49.080 Yeah.

01:24:49.280 So just my name, Jamil Javani at dot Substack dot com.

01:24:53.380 OK, and all my social media, you can find it there, too.

01:24:56.840 One of the things you questioned was whether they then came back and tried to buy your silence

01:25:02.560 because once they started reading what you were posting on Substack, which was very open

01:25:07.300 about all of this, what happened?

01:25:10.720 Yeah, well, you know, they actually sent this before I went public because I think they were

01:25:15.260 they probably did their due diligence and realized they screwed up big time.

01:25:20.000 And so I think legal and H.R. probably got involved and they were like, what the heck are

01:25:24.440 you guys doing?

01:25:25.740 And so, yeah.

01:25:27.780 Yeah. So they sent me what they called a, quote, paid opportunity, which is a very weird

01:25:34.480 phrase that I've never encountered, by the way.

01:25:37.260 They sent me an email offering me a paid opportunity to write for one of their other

01:25:41.700 media properties, which is called CTV News.

01:25:44.820 And they asked me to write columns for them.

01:25:47.580 And so I responded like, you know, maybe address the reasons why you just fired me.

01:25:54.140 Like, are we going to work out those issues before you offer me more money?

01:25:58.060 And they just never responded.

01:26:00.100 So I think it was their attempt to see would I be willing to take a payout, but without

01:26:04.720 actually, you know, saying so.

01:26:07.640 And I just thought it was very insulting because to your point earlier, these are, you know,

01:26:12.280 white liberals who are questioning my commitment as a black man to diversity and inclusion and

01:26:17.880 then expecting me to just take their money whenever they offer it.

01:26:21.020 I think they owe me and frankly, my community a lot more of an explanation than that.

01:26:25.940 Yeah.

01:26:26.300 And, you know, they would have just taken your articles and buried them just so that they

01:26:29.800 could say, oh, you know, we gave him, you know, another platform, whatever, you know,

01:26:34.120 didn't guarantee the number of readers that he would get.

01:26:37.360 So we've seen that happen before.

01:26:39.140 OK, so you decide to start writing about it in Substack and not just this, but just all

01:26:42.940 these issues where you can say whatever you want.

01:26:44.680 God bless Substack because you can still say whatever you want in Substack.

01:26:47.480 And one of the points you were making was what I mentioned in the tease, which is it's

01:26:52.240 we have to stop just blaming individual journalists who are lecturing us on wokeness and how we

01:26:58.160 need to be better people and all that, you know, in their view.

01:27:00.700 Right.

01:27:00.900 All these people who have terrible sins in their own past that nine times out of 10, we find

01:27:04.500 out later they're covering up.

01:27:07.120 And you're saying we've got to look beyond them and look at the companies themselves and

01:27:12.680 why they go woke and what we can do about it.

01:27:15.840 Can you expand on that?

01:27:16.660 Yeah, what I mean by that is, you know, Megan, and I know you've encountered a lot of, you

01:27:22.280 know, nasty comments on social media.

01:27:24.540 We all do as public figures and mainstream media corporations, in my view, love that because

01:27:30.940 it allows for them to draw attention to people criticizing their employees, the journalists,

01:27:37.200 as opposed to addressing the bigger issues at the corporations themselves.

01:27:42.000 You know, a lot of these journalists, frankly, are foot soldiers for the status quo.

01:27:46.080 They don't have a ton of power.

01:27:47.700 A lot of these businesses, because they haven't adapted to new technology, are dying.

01:27:53.020 They're shrinking.

01:27:53.520 And so when you get mad at a journalist, it's almost like getting mad at, you know, the person

01:27:58.160 at the front desk, as opposed to the person who orders that person at the front desk to

01:28:03.700 say and do certain things.

01:28:05.360 So the issue with these corporations, like let's take Bell Media, for example, they have

01:28:10.220 in their governance documents, a lot of left wing talking points, including points about

01:28:16.720 systemic racism and suggesting that Canada is a racist country.

01:28:20.940 So that stuff trickles down.

01:28:22.860 I mean, if the corporation is going to take these sort of woke positions, you can't expect

01:28:27.500 the employees to be any different.

01:28:30.400 And so unless we're addressing the parent companies, unless we're addressing the governance

01:28:34.800 of these organizations, which absolutely has a political agenda.

01:28:38.780 And you can read about some of that from authors like Vivek Ramaswamy and his book, Woke Inc.

01:28:44.920 This political agenda is what is often determining what we wind up seeing on Twitter or hearing

01:28:50.420 on the radio or watching on television.

01:28:52.920 But until we address the woke agenda at a corporate level, we're still just fighting with foot soldiers.

01:28:59.340 And that's not getting us anywhere.

01:29:00.820 I like the way you put it.

01:29:02.640 This is part one of you posted this on February 1st on Substack.

01:29:07.240 Wokeness, a political agenda with a superficial commitment to diversity and inclusion, has

01:29:13.560 become a global ideological movement.

01:29:15.720 What I liked about this is calling wokeness a political agenda because its proponents would

01:29:21.800 have us believe it's an ethical code that if we don't share, we're bad people.

01:29:27.700 It's not.

01:29:28.660 Exactly.

01:29:30.460 And the evidence is clear.

01:29:32.160 When's the last time you saw any of these left-wing corporate media outlets or left-wing

01:29:37.740 activists defend Clarence Thomas when he's bad-mouthed or defend someone like Kyrie Irving, who's

01:29:45.300 had his job threatened because of the vaccine mandates, or the majority of Black New Yorkers 1.00

01:29:52.940 who have not gotten vaccinated?

01:29:55.040 None of these left-wing outlets defend any of these people.

01:29:58.180 Woke corporations do not have the interests of Black people, women, the LGBT community, 0.69

01:30:04.900 whatever group you want to talk about.

01:30:06.640 They're not interested in all of us.

01:30:08.780 They're interested in the fraction of us who share their politics.

01:30:12.740 And to the extent that we become politically inconvenient, they no longer have any interest

01:30:17.660 in defending us, representing us, doing anything for our families.

01:30:21.740 That is what makes it a political agenda.

01:30:23.760 And we have to call it out.

01:30:25.140 You're absolutely right, Megan.

01:30:26.460 It is not about ethics at all.

01:30:28.860 So what do you do?

01:30:30.700 You know, you could not buy Coca-Cola.

01:30:32.560 You could not buy Nike.

01:30:34.040 You know, there's so many corporations.

01:30:35.080 We could go down the list.

01:30:36.520 What else could be done?

01:30:38.580 Well, there are three ideas that I would recommend.

01:30:41.260 So the first one is the social activist investors like BlackRock, for example, that push corporations

01:30:51.100 to adopting this kind of political agenda.

01:30:54.160 There have been proposals to deny them the kind of shareholder limited liability protections

01:30:59.900 they have because they are using what should be a for-profit business organization to promote

01:31:07.320 a political agenda.

01:31:07.820 So pushing back on that is one option.

01:31:10.540 The second option is something that my friend J.D. Vance has talked about, which is making

01:31:15.460 it easier for employees to sue their employers when politics is forced upon them, such as diversity

01:31:23.940 and equity training, white privilege talking points, things like that.

01:31:28.220 The third thing I think we can do, and this is one that U.S. Senator Marco Rubio has been pushing

01:31:34.500 for, is making it easier for shareholders to sue CEOs when those CEOs use the company to pursue

01:31:42.680 a political agenda.

01:31:44.200 The idea being, of course, that if you are a shareholder, you are probably losing on money

01:31:49.020 by a corporation instead of focused on doing its job, trying to wade into political issues

01:31:55.040 that have nothing to do with its actual economic purpose.

01:31:58.300 So there are solutions that require the political will to take action.

01:32:03.680 And I've been organizing with some business leaders and policy experts in Canada to do that.

01:32:08.700 I've been having conversations with people in the U.S.

01:32:11.040 I do believe we can get this done, but we're just going to need some politicians with guts.

01:32:16.220 I love that it's a white guy from Appalachia, poor as they come, dirt poor family. 1.00

01:32:21.740 If you read his book, Hillbilly Elegy, which you must if you haven't, not you, but America,

01:32:26.680 a mixed race guy from Canada who grew up in a fatherless home and a Latino with the Cuban-American

01:32:33.600 roots who are pushing the solutions to that, right?

01:32:36.780 This is not like the raise the martini flag crowd at the country club, all white men who 1.00

01:32:43.020 are like, oh, you know, no, we've got to stomp out the whiteness and the wokeness. 0.99

01:32:47.020 Um, this is a different kind of crew because it's it's people like you who are being told

01:32:51.900 you're less than because of your skin color. 1.00

01:32:54.420 And I've seen it so many times, you know, black people, brown people, Asian people, white

01:32:59.180 people all forming groups together to push back against this nonsense because none of

01:33:03.620 us likes what they're saying about us, about our children, about our countries.

01:33:07.500 So glad that you're doing what you're doing, Jamil.

01:33:09.560 Everything, you know, it's like things tend to work out as they should.

01:33:12.680 You didn't belong at Bell Media.

01:33:14.020 I think you're going to run for office and hopefully turn that turn that situation up

01:33:18.460 up north around.

01:33:20.140 Well, I do hope that we we can and will turn things around, Megan.

01:33:24.360 And honestly, I can't speak for all of Canada, but so many of us are grateful for people like

01:33:30.400 you have drawn attention to this because the mainstream media in our country has been putting

01:33:34.260 so much of this stuff under the underground, bearing it.

01:33:37.800 And it's it's folks like you who are drawing attention to the real issue.

01:33:40.820 So thank you.

01:33:41.740 Well, it's our honor to be able to do so.

01:33:44.000 We'll continue to follow you, Jamil.

01:33:45.220 Go support him on Substack now.

01:33:47.960 We've got to keep independent journalists and commentators going with our support.

01:33:51.920 Otherwise, they fade away and people like Bell win.

01:33:54.560 By the way, we did reach out to Bell Media and heard they don't comment on personnel issues.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 22, 2022

Putin Exploits Biden's Weakness and Canada's Authoritarian Crackdown, with Eric Bolling, Charles Cooke, and Jamil Jivani ｜ Ep. 266

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