The Megyn Kelly Show - Putin's Madness and Next Moves, and Biden's Massive Speech, with Michael Knowles and Garry Kasparov

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00:00:30.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.520 your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.820 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.380 As Ukraine fights for its very existence

00:00:48.100 and President Biden prepares for the biggest speech of his career,

00:00:52.020 we are witnessing an historic story

00:00:54.180 of Vladimir Putin versus the free world,

00:00:56.880 with Mother Russia even turning against him

00:00:59.400 in ways we've rarely seen before.

00:01:02.340 It comes as horrifying images emerge out of Ukraine.

00:01:06.480 This is what war in Europe looks like in 2022.

00:01:09.880 And for those listening,

00:01:10.760 you can see it on YouTube on our channel later.

00:01:14.240 Video here capturing the moment a rocket

00:01:16.440 destroyed a government building in Ukraine's

00:01:18.920 second largest city.

00:01:21.240 Smoke and debris flying into the air,

00:01:23.620 vaporizing a large, beautiful building.

00:01:26.900 Satellite images from the U.S. company Maxar Technologies

00:01:30.780 showing a Russian military convoy zeroing in

00:01:33.620 on the Ukrainian capital of Kiev.

00:01:36.140 The convoy, more than 40 miles long,

00:01:39.320 made up of armored vehicles, tanks,

00:01:41.500 and artillery with serious questions

00:01:43.140 about whether the Ukrainians can withstand that.

00:01:46.500 But perhaps nothing is more shocking

00:01:47.880 than the stories of the youngest victims of this war.

00:01:50.040 Earlier today, Ukraine's President Zelenskyy appealing

00:01:53.400 to all of humanity

00:01:55.540 in remarks to the European Parliament.

00:01:58.320 We have a desire to see our children

00:02:01.280 alive.

00:02:05.940 I think it's a fair one.

00:02:07.980 Yesterday, 16 children were killed.

00:02:12.420 Again and again,

00:02:13.760 President Putin is going to say

00:02:15.720 that is some kind of operation

00:02:17.260 and we are hitting a military infrastructure.

00:02:20.860 Where are our children?

00:02:22.320 What kind of military factories

00:02:24.440 do they work at?

00:02:26.340 What tanks are they going with?

00:02:29.200 Or launching cruise missiles?

00:02:31.800 He killed 16 people just yesterday.

00:02:35.680 Among the victims,

00:02:37.460 a beautiful schoolgirl named Polina.

00:02:39.760 She and her parents were shot dead

00:02:41.460 trying to leave Kiev by car.

00:02:44.080 Oh, look at her face.

00:02:45.720 Her brother and sister are currently

00:02:47.320 in intensive care.

00:02:48.820 Britain's The Sun newspaper

00:02:49.880 asking Putin how many children must die.

00:02:52.260 And then there's this heartbreaking image

00:02:53.640 from the Times.

00:02:54.800 A paramedic trying in vain

00:02:56.140 to save a six-year-old girl

00:02:58.340 who had been injured in a rocket attack.

00:03:00.900 You can see the anguish

00:03:01.800 on the face of the man

00:03:02.860 next to this child,

00:03:04.820 his body completely covered in blood.

00:03:07.260 The Daily Mirror summing it up this way.

00:03:09.760 Putin is a coward

00:03:10.520 who kills little girls in slippers

00:03:12.460 and unicorn pajamas.

00:03:14.020 My next guest has sounded alarm bells

00:03:17.520 about Vladimir Putin

00:03:18.360 for more than a decade.

00:03:20.280 He is one of the most famous Russians today.

00:03:23.420 Gary Kasparov captivated the world

00:03:25.940 as a chess champion.

00:03:27.500 I mean, in a class of one.

00:03:30.120 And has gone on to use his voice

00:03:31.820 to fight for democracy and human rights.

00:03:33.960 Gary, welcome.

00:03:34.720 So great to have you here

00:03:35.680 on a day like this.

00:03:37.360 Thank you for inviting me.

00:03:38.260 So help us understand

00:03:41.140 what Putin,

00:03:43.680 what his game must be at this point.

00:03:46.300 You know, the speculation

00:03:47.040 about whether he would go into Ukraine

00:03:48.980 or not is done.

00:03:50.260 We've seen him do it.

00:03:51.420 And with his 40-mile-long convoy,

00:03:53.680 it's only going to get worse from here.

00:03:56.300 What do you think

00:03:57.400 his end goal is at this point?

00:03:59.660 What we are seeing now

00:04:01.800 is the last chapter

00:04:02.920 of Putin's war in Ukraine

00:04:04.260 and even a larger war on democracy

00:04:07.560 and on our civilization.

00:04:10.000 And it hasn't started recently.

00:04:13.060 It's as long as Putin

00:04:15.080 is reigning in Russia.

00:04:17.540 Let's not forget,

00:04:19.040 Putin claimed in early days

00:04:22.160 of his rule in Russia

00:04:23.420 that the collapse of the Soviet Union

00:04:25.000 was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe

00:04:27.120 of the 20th century.

00:04:29.300 And at one point,

00:04:30.560 he believed that it was

00:04:31.700 his messianic role to restore it.

00:04:35.720 And then he went even further.

00:04:37.540 15 years ago,

00:04:38.760 in February 2007,

00:04:40.360 in Munich,

00:04:40.940 at security conference in Europe,

00:04:42.900 he laid down his vision

00:04:45.380 for the future of Europe

00:04:46.820 and the world,

00:04:48.340 speaking about so-called

00:04:49.940 spheres of influence,

00:04:51.960 which meant in his language

00:04:53.320 that we had to go back

00:04:55.480 to the 19th century world

00:04:56.740 where big guys,

00:04:57.940 big countries,

00:04:59.100 were in the position

00:04:59.960 to dictate to their smaller

00:05:01.960 and weaker neighbors

00:05:03.020 how to run their domestic

00:05:05.240 and foreign affairs.

00:05:07.040 And Putin was not just talking.

00:05:09.580 He backed his words

00:05:10.800 by his actions.

00:05:12.340 In 2008,

00:05:13.540 he attacked the Republic of Georgia,

00:05:15.200 annexing pirates' territory.

00:05:16.640 And the free world,

00:05:17.800 swallowed it.

00:05:20.200 He was very active

00:05:21.680 in the wall stage,

00:05:22.700 supporting every dictator

00:05:24.000 who was in danger.

00:05:26.360 He played instrumental role

00:05:29.880 in saving Bashar al-Assad

00:05:31.500 in 2013,

00:05:33.120 using Russian air force

00:05:34.680 to carpet bomb Aleppo

00:05:36.860 and other rebel strongholds

00:05:38.820 in Syria.

00:05:39.880 In 2014,

00:05:40.740 he decided that he was strong enough

00:05:42.740 to attack Ukraine directly

00:05:45.800 and annex Crimea

00:05:46.720 and incited violence

00:05:48.420 in eastern Ukraine

00:05:49.560 that led to a short war

00:05:52.660 and part of Ukrainian territory

00:05:56.200 had been de facto annexed as well,

00:05:59.720 though he failed

00:06:00.600 with his main objective

00:06:01.580 to create so-called new Russia,

00:06:03.580 cutting Ukraine in pieces

00:06:05.500 and creating

00:06:06.320 an unbroken line

00:06:11.140 of territories

00:06:12.380 ranging from Lugansk

00:06:14.200 to Odessa.

00:06:14.800 And he also

00:06:17.480 was never shy

00:06:18.760 of buying favors

00:06:20.700 from Western politicians

00:06:23.840 and business people

00:06:25.180 and personalities

00:06:26.300 and, of course,

00:06:27.840 assassinating

00:06:28.500 his political opponents

00:06:30.740 both inside Russia

00:06:31.820 and outside of Russia.

00:06:33.580 And the problem is

00:06:34.680 that he never paid

00:06:36.360 for his crimes.

00:06:38.040 And seeing no consequences

00:06:39.540 for his actions,

00:06:40.700 he eventually believed

00:06:41.620 that it was time

00:06:42.260 for him

00:06:42.700 to move

00:06:44.020 against Ukraine

00:06:46.260 most decisively

00:06:47.620 because he never

00:06:48.740 recognized Ukraine

00:06:49.520 as an independent state.

00:06:51.100 Russian propaganda

00:06:51.900 for the last eight years

00:06:53.560 had been

00:06:54.300 diminishing Ukraine

00:06:56.500 as the failed state

00:06:58.040 that was just

00:06:59.100 waiting for Russia

00:07:00.360 to come in

00:07:02.100 and restore

00:07:03.180 what they call

00:07:03.860 historical justice.

00:07:05.660 And we all know

00:07:07.200 he has been preparing

00:07:08.360 his invasion of Ukraine

00:07:09.620 in plain sight.

00:07:11.340 It was not that

00:07:12.180 his attack

00:07:13.400 from three directions

00:07:14.760 from north, south,

00:07:15.900 and east

00:07:16.460 against Ukraine

00:07:17.660 a week ago

00:07:18.540 was a surprise attack.

00:07:20.560 He even brought

00:07:21.400 his Pacific fleet

00:07:22.660 to the Black Sea.

00:07:24.480 And again,

00:07:25.320 the free world

00:07:26.060 wasn't silent

00:07:27.700 but nobody

00:07:28.900 or very few people

00:07:30.220 took him seriously.

00:07:31.620 I've been saying

00:07:32.340 for many years

00:07:33.200 that while Putin

00:07:33.840 was our problem in Russia,

00:07:35.500 at one point

00:07:36.300 as every dictator,

00:07:37.160 he would be

00:07:37.580 everybody's problem.

00:07:39.040 And now what we're seeing

00:07:40.060 and let's not

00:07:40.980 deceive ourselves,

00:07:42.180 this is already

00:07:42.860 World War III.

00:07:44.120 And this is not just

00:07:44.920 a war against Ukraine.

00:07:46.340 Vladimir Putin

00:07:46.980 is attacking

00:07:47.780 the very foundation

00:07:48.780 of the world

00:07:49.360 we used to live

00:07:50.020 since World War II.

00:07:51.460 And if he succeeds

00:07:52.680 in Ukraine,

00:07:53.800 all bets are off.

00:07:55.120 And for those

00:07:55.920 who think that

00:07:56.440 we can escape

00:07:57.140 confrontation with Putin,

00:07:58.980 look,

00:07:59.400 read history books.

00:08:00.900 And that's why

00:08:01.400 I think that

00:08:01.940 the measures

00:08:02.360 that are being taken,

00:08:03.640 they are important

00:08:04.560 but still more

00:08:05.520 can be done.

00:08:06.400 But the most tragic,

00:08:07.720 you know,

00:08:08.200 Megan,

00:08:08.420 portion of these sanctions

00:08:10.720 eight years ago,

00:08:12.220 even six months ago,

00:08:13.540 could have saved

00:08:14.360 thousands and thousands

00:08:15.540 of lives

00:08:16.160 if Putin believed

00:08:17.960 that the world

00:08:18.520 would act.

00:08:19.500 But unfortunately,

00:08:20.840 it was a failure

00:08:21.580 after failure.

00:08:22.200 And now we're dealing

00:08:24.300 with a mad dictator

00:08:25.380 and Russian army

00:08:30.480 is shifted

00:08:32.080 from so-called

00:08:33.780 liberation mission

00:08:35.500 as it was

00:08:36.220 originally proclaimed

00:08:37.060 to a total dissemination

00:08:39.060 of Ukrainian cities

00:08:40.560 because Putin

00:08:41.200 is absolutely

00:08:42.660 getting crazy

00:08:43.320 since his original plan

00:08:45.040 of taking over

00:08:45.940 Kiev in three days

00:08:47.000 and installing

00:08:47.560 puppet government

00:08:48.320 and going back

00:08:49.920 to negotiating table

00:08:51.000 with America

00:08:52.080 and Europe.

00:08:52.800 This plan

00:08:53.280 miserably failed.

00:08:55.440 There's so much

00:08:56.020 brilliance in there.

00:08:57.040 I mean,

00:08:57.180 so many good points.

00:08:58.320 Let me start

00:08:58.880 with one of the last ones.

00:09:00.900 Do you believe

00:09:01.500 he's a madman now?

00:09:04.060 Do you believe

00:09:04.700 he's lost

00:09:05.740 his own

00:09:06.500 mental faculties

00:09:08.040 in a way

00:09:08.360 that we haven't seen

00:09:09.080 prior to right now?

00:09:12.280 Absolutely.

00:09:13.980 Look,

00:09:14.580 he's in power

00:09:15.380 for 22 years.

00:09:17.220 It's a long time.

00:09:18.440 Even for

00:09:19.200 the most intelligent

00:09:20.480 person

00:09:20.960 with the

00:09:21.820 noblest

00:09:22.260 intentions,

00:09:23.120 that could be

00:09:23.980 very damaging.

00:09:25.640 And Putin

00:09:26.220 was not one

00:09:26.920 of these

00:09:27.400 kind of guys.

00:09:29.220 So his education

00:09:30.280 came from

00:09:31.820 the streets

00:09:32.200 of Leningrad

00:09:32.840 and from KGB

00:09:34.220 school.

00:09:35.960 And

00:09:36.520 for the last

00:09:38.000 few years,

00:09:39.240 he has been

00:09:40.020 increasingly isolated.

00:09:41.340 As every dictator,

00:09:42.420 he is relying

00:09:43.680 on a very small,

00:09:44.920 ever-shrinking

00:09:45.860 inner circle.

00:09:47.020 we know

00:09:48.220 that he

00:09:48.600 doesn't

00:09:48.980 trust

00:09:49.340 internet

00:09:49.780 and open

00:09:50.200 sources,

00:09:50.640 which means

00:09:51.180 he relies

00:09:51.720 on the

00:09:52.040 information

00:09:52.520 brought to

00:09:53.040 him

00:09:53.240 by this

00:09:53.680 inner circle.

00:09:55.100 And his

00:09:55.820 vision of the

00:09:56.400 world is

00:09:57.040 outdated.

00:09:58.280 And also,

00:09:58.780 we know

00:09:59.200 that Putin

00:10:00.060 believes,

00:10:01.300 it's not

00:10:02.020 I'm saying,

00:10:02.660 I'm just

00:10:02.920 simply,

00:10:03.240 you know,

00:10:03.480 quoting what

00:10:04.100 he has been

00:10:04.500 saying for

00:10:05.400 years.

00:10:05.880 He believes

00:10:06.920 that violence

00:10:07.860 is a

00:10:10.340 necessary

00:10:10.820 tool

00:10:11.460 to rule

00:10:13.140 whether

00:10:13.880 his own

00:10:14.620 subjects

00:10:15.120 or

00:10:15.920 imposing

00:10:17.200 his will

00:10:17.800 to other

00:10:18.180 countries.

00:10:19.080 That's why

00:10:19.680 we should not

00:10:20.460 be surprised

00:10:21.000 that his

00:10:21.480 favorite

00:10:22.300 historical

00:10:23.960 characters

00:10:24.540 are Joseph

00:10:25.480 Stalin

00:10:25.900 and Ivan

00:10:26.620 the Terrible.

00:10:27.820 That's the

00:10:28.240 way he sees

00:10:29.200 himself,

00:10:30.040 a man above

00:10:30.900 the law,

00:10:31.440 a man who

00:10:31.940 is the law.

00:10:33.480 And now

00:10:34.380 he thinks

00:10:36.260 that he can

00:10:37.000 do whatever

00:10:37.460 because he

00:10:38.300 feels that

00:10:38.780 with one

00:10:39.860 finger

00:10:40.300 pushing the

00:10:41.160 red button

00:10:41.920 he can

00:10:42.400 destroy the

00:10:43.060 entire world.

00:10:43.980 He said

00:10:44.440 it already,

00:10:45.180 if we have

00:10:45.720 a war,

00:10:46.420 it's about

00:10:46.800 a year ago,

00:10:48.280 they all

00:10:48.840 will die

00:10:49.540 like dogs

00:10:50.220 and we

00:10:50.560 will go

00:10:50.900 to heaven.

00:10:52.320 It shows

00:10:53.600 the mental

00:10:54.480 instability

00:10:55.040 of this

00:10:55.640 person.

00:10:56.380 And I've

00:10:56.660 been again

00:10:57.000 saying it

00:10:57.500 all along

00:10:58.380 that forget

00:10:59.140 about Putin.

00:10:59.940 It's not

00:11:00.260 about him.

00:11:00.880 It's about

00:11:01.400 sending

00:11:01.840 message to

00:11:02.460 people around

00:11:03.260 him.

00:11:03.660 those who

00:11:04.940 haven't lost

00:11:05.760 their mind

00:11:06.240 and value

00:11:07.300 their lives

00:11:08.260 and their

00:11:08.780 well-being.

00:11:10.020 And only

00:11:10.860 now I think

00:11:11.560 the free

00:11:12.220 world came

00:11:12.880 to the

00:11:13.100 conclusion

00:11:13.540 that we

00:11:14.360 are dealing

00:11:14.620 with a

00:11:14.900 madman.

00:11:16.300 Imagine

00:11:16.780 Adolf Hitler

00:11:17.780 in Berlin

00:11:20.540 bunker in

00:11:21.160 1945.

00:11:22.300 Imagine if

00:11:22.860 he had

00:11:23.140 this red

00:11:23.880 button.

00:11:24.460 Do you

00:11:24.620 have any

00:11:24.900 doubts

00:11:25.200 that he

00:11:25.460 would push

00:11:25.780 it?

00:11:27.300 You know,

00:11:28.440 some of

00:11:30.000 the earlier

00:11:30.400 things you

00:11:31.140 mentioned,

00:11:32.040 I'm not

00:11:32.400 excusing them,

00:11:33.160 let me

00:11:33.400 make that

00:11:33.720 clear.

00:11:34.280 But you

00:11:34.660 could

00:11:34.800 understand

00:11:35.500 what Putin

00:11:36.800 might be

00:11:37.200 thinking,

00:11:37.620 right?

00:11:37.840 In the

00:11:38.160 2014

00:11:38.820 situation,

00:11:40.360 there was

00:11:41.180 a pro-Russian

00:11:41.860 leader of

00:11:42.420 Ukraine who

00:11:43.000 got pushed

00:11:43.460 out and

00:11:44.360 then was

00:11:44.880 replaced with

00:11:45.660 a pro-Western

00:11:46.380 leader and

00:11:46.880 Putin didn't

00:11:47.360 want that.

00:11:47.900 He didn't

00:11:48.120 want Ukraine

00:11:48.560 getting closer

00:11:49.180 to the West

00:11:50.060 and looking

00:11:51.180 more democratic

00:11:52.040 and less

00:11:52.560 like, you

00:11:53.040 know,

00:11:53.160 an offshoot

00:11:53.800 of Russia.

00:11:55.140 And okay,

00:11:55.760 so that's

00:11:56.380 how we got

00:11:56.980 Crimea,

00:11:57.580 right?

00:11:57.760 You can

00:11:57.960 sort of look

00:11:58.400 at the end

00:11:58.860 and it

00:11:59.380 sort of

00:11:59.640 made not

00:12:00.760 sense,

00:12:01.360 but if you

00:12:02.040 could see

00:12:02.680 the reasoning

00:12:03.860 that he

00:12:04.500 was following.

00:12:05.400 This one

00:12:06.080 seems almost

00:12:08.320 out of the

00:12:08.780 blue,

00:12:09.100 Gary.

00:12:09.440 It's like

00:12:09.840 Ukraine

00:12:10.480 wasn't about

00:12:11.660 to join

00:12:12.120 NATO.

00:12:13.080 Ukraine

00:12:13.360 was slowly

00:12:14.760 inching more

00:12:15.580 toward the

00:12:16.380 West and

00:12:16.880 Europe,

00:12:17.140 but there

00:12:17.720 wasn't,

00:12:18.540 what was

00:12:18.880 the catalyst?

00:12:19.580 What,

00:12:20.040 why now?

00:12:21.180 Why,

00:12:21.640 why did he

00:12:22.200 choose suddenly

00:12:22.900 to invade a

00:12:24.240 sovereign country?

00:12:25.580 You know,

00:12:25.780 there's a lot

00:12:26.180 of countries

00:12:26.560 that used

00:12:26.840 to be part

00:12:27.180 of the

00:12:27.340 USSR

00:12:27.720 that are

00:12:28.300 fading away,

00:12:29.080 that are

00:12:29.320 getting closer

00:12:30.000 to the

00:12:30.340 West.

00:12:30.660 Why now?

00:12:33.080 There are

00:12:33.620 not so many

00:12:34.220 countries,

00:12:34.760 actually.

00:12:35.320 The three

00:12:36.280 Baltic nations

00:12:37.000 already joined

00:12:37.540 NATO.

00:12:37.980 Thanks God

00:12:38.540 they're in

00:12:38.920 NATO,

00:12:39.400 because otherwise

00:12:40.080 I think you

00:12:42.120 have no doubts

00:12:42.840 that Russian

00:12:43.700 tanks were

00:12:44.180 rolling in the

00:12:44.760 streets of

00:12:45.320 Tallinn,

00:12:45.760 Vilnius,

00:12:46.300 and Riga

00:12:46.860 in these

00:12:47.680 three Baltic

00:12:48.180 nations.

00:12:49.880 Republic of

00:12:50.660 Georgia,

00:12:51.380 under former

00:12:52.380 President

00:12:52.780 Mikhail

00:12:53.120 Saakashvili,

00:12:53.980 was trying

00:12:54.620 to move

00:12:55.000 westward,

00:12:55.940 and it

00:12:56.200 was attacked

00:12:56.620 in 2008,

00:12:57.660 and next

00:12:57.960 was Ukraine.

00:12:58.940 But I

00:12:59.320 have to say

00:12:59.740 that you

00:13:00.220 asked the

00:13:01.560 wrong question,

00:13:02.260 because you

00:13:02.640 asked three

00:13:03.400 times why.

00:13:04.980 Dictators

00:13:05.500 never ask

00:13:06.240 why.

00:13:06.640 It's always

00:13:06.920 why not.

00:13:08.340 Why not?

00:13:09.820 Ukraine was

00:13:11.520 a threat to

00:13:12.400 Putin's rule

00:13:12.900 on Russia,

00:13:13.360 because it's

00:13:14.280 like, you

00:13:14.560 know,

00:13:14.720 Arab Spring

00:13:15.460 and a

00:13:16.040 domino effect.

00:13:18.320 Independent,

00:13:19.560 sovereign,

00:13:20.200 democratic,

00:13:21.040 prosperous Ukraine

00:13:21.920 is sending

00:13:23.580 a message to

00:13:24.280 Russian people,

00:13:25.280 because we're

00:13:26.220 close.

00:13:27.660 I don't

00:13:29.240 want to

00:13:31.040 repeat Putin's

00:13:31.760 false point

00:13:33.360 that we're

00:13:33.720 the same

00:13:34.080 people,

00:13:35.160 but we're

00:13:35.980 close.

00:13:36.660 We have

00:13:37.020 enough,

00:13:37.480 you know,

00:13:37.680 of common

00:13:37.940 history.

00:13:38.820 Of course,

00:13:39.420 there were

00:13:39.580 many animosities,

00:13:40.380 but still

00:13:40.720 close,

00:13:41.320 the language

00:13:41.740 is close,

00:13:42.880 the cultural

00:13:44.400 similarities,

00:13:45.540 religious.

00:13:45.900 But for

00:13:48.620 Russian people,

00:13:49.440 seeing Ukrainians

00:13:50.640 changing their

00:13:52.220 lifestyle and

00:13:53.120 moving to

00:13:54.380 the West,

00:13:55.560 that could be

00:13:56.260 a big,

00:13:56.800 big problem

00:13:57.220 for Putin.

00:13:57.700 So that's

00:13:58.520 why he

00:13:58.920 always wanted

00:13:59.760 Ukraine to

00:14:00.440 be subdued

00:14:01.140 and eventually

00:14:01.680 taken over.

00:14:02.920 So he

00:14:03.200 failed to

00:14:04.040 impose his

00:14:05.060 will through

00:14:05.720 normal process,

00:14:06.880 through political

00:14:07.280 process.

00:14:08.260 His stooge,

00:14:09.580 Viktor Yanukovych,

00:14:10.560 was removed

00:14:11.980 from power

00:14:13.040 by the

00:14:13.700 popular unrest

00:14:14.460 in 2014.

00:14:16.420 Actually,

00:14:16.660 it was a

00:14:16.900 revolution.

00:14:18.100 But the

00:14:18.800 problem,

00:14:19.520 actually,

00:14:19.860 between Russia

00:14:20.380 and Ukraine

00:14:20.660 started earlier

00:14:21.280 because,

00:14:22.160 unlike Russia,

00:14:23.160 Ukraine had

00:14:24.520 peaceful

00:14:25.300 transition of

00:14:25.960 power all

00:14:26.680 way back

00:14:27.160 in 1994.

00:14:28.680 I think

00:14:28.980 that was a

00:14:29.340 turning point,

00:14:29.940 actually,

00:14:30.440 where,

00:14:30.760 unfortunately,

00:14:31.720 the ways of

00:14:32.720 Russia and

00:14:33.260 Ukraine,

00:14:34.160 we just,

00:14:34.480 you know,

00:14:34.700 we moved

00:14:35.200 in different

00:14:36.220 directions.

00:14:36.960 In 1994,

00:14:38.100 first president

00:14:38.680 of independent

00:14:39.300 Ukraine,

00:14:40.520 Leonid

00:14:40.860 Kravchuk,

00:14:41.420 lost

00:14:41.780 elections

00:14:42.360 to the

00:14:43.440 contender,

00:14:44.000 Leonid

00:14:44.260 Kuchma,

00:14:44.720 and he

00:14:45.660 walked away.

00:14:46.840 So Ukrainians,

00:14:48.680 already more

00:14:49.700 than one

00:14:50.080 generation of

00:14:50.580 Ukrainians,

00:14:51.000 almost two

00:14:51.380 generations of

00:14:52.380 Ukrainians,

00:14:52.760 they grew up

00:14:53.300 in a country

00:14:53.880 where the

00:14:54.680 power belongs

00:14:56.220 to people.

00:14:57.360 They know

00:14:57.980 that if the

00:14:58.680 president acts

00:15:00.660 against their

00:15:01.120 interests,

00:15:01.800 they can

00:15:02.220 reelect him

00:15:03.680 or they

00:15:04.700 can rise

00:15:06.520 against

00:15:07.080 oppressive

00:15:08.080 measures by

00:15:08.760 the government

00:15:09.240 and defend

00:15:11.440 their dignity

00:15:12.080 and their

00:15:12.540 rights.

00:15:13.940 In Russia,

00:15:14.800 it's very

00:15:15.340 different.

00:15:15.820 The fragile

00:15:16.220 democracy under

00:15:17.020 Boris Yeltsin

00:15:17.580 has been

00:15:17.960 replaced by

00:15:18.680 brutal KGB

00:15:19.680 dictatorship.

00:15:21.020 And Putin

00:15:21.780 always wanted

00:15:23.240 Ukraine to

00:15:24.560 join not

00:15:25.920 just Russia,

00:15:26.600 but to become

00:15:27.100 part of his

00:15:28.140 newly built

00:15:29.640 KGB

00:15:31.780 mafia-like

00:15:32.680 empire.

00:15:33.380 So that's

00:15:33.820 why his

00:15:34.780 attack on

00:15:35.200 Ukraine was

00:15:36.460 in the

00:15:36.880 books.

00:15:38.060 Can it

00:15:39.280 happen?

00:15:40.080 Let's say

00:15:40.920 he succeeds,

00:15:42.880 however we

00:15:43.640 define success,

00:15:44.540 in this

00:15:44.780 military in

00:15:45.400 Denver,

00:15:46.080 and he

00:15:46.460 establishes a

00:15:48.600 puppet

00:15:48.960 government in

00:15:49.580 Ukraine.

00:15:50.540 The hearts

00:15:51.120 and minds

00:15:51.560 of the

00:15:51.820 Ukrainian

00:15:52.160 people,

00:15:52.860 he's never

00:15:53.780 going to

00:15:54.200 rule those.

00:15:54.940 I mean,

00:15:55.260 what does

00:15:55.980 it look

00:15:56.380 like?

00:15:56.660 What does

00:15:56.860 the end

00:15:57.240 game look

00:15:57.740 like?

00:15:59.260 He doesn't

00:16:00.080 care.

00:16:00.820 What do you

00:16:01.500 mean?

00:16:01.800 It's the

00:16:02.040 minds and

00:16:03.620 hearts of

00:16:04.080 Ukraine.

00:16:04.460 Of course

00:16:04.800 they'll fight,

00:16:05.360 and I don't

00:16:05.860 believe he

00:16:06.340 will succeed.

00:16:07.300 Ukraine is

00:16:07.660 a big

00:16:07.900 country.

00:16:08.460 It's a

00:16:08.740 big territory,

00:16:09.420 44 million

00:16:09.980 people,

00:16:10.840 though you

00:16:11.180 always can

00:16:11.760 find a few

00:16:13.480 hundred thousand

00:16:14.080 traitors here

00:16:15.060 and there,

00:16:15.520 but it

00:16:16.060 seems that

00:16:16.480 nations united,

00:16:18.180 even people

00:16:18.760 in the

00:16:19.560 east or

00:16:20.040 west,

00:16:20.580 though they

00:16:21.160 sometimes

00:16:21.640 separate it

00:16:22.360 by there

00:16:23.280 are some

00:16:23.540 religious

00:16:23.900 differences,

00:16:25.260 or in

00:16:26.500 the east

00:16:27.020 most of

00:16:27.600 them speak

00:16:27.880 Russian.

00:16:28.780 And by

00:16:28.940 the way,

00:16:29.140 Russian language

00:16:30.420 was kept

00:16:30.960 as the

00:16:32.480 normal working

00:16:33.820 language in

00:16:34.320 Ukraine.

00:16:34.660 Most of

00:16:34.980 Ukraine

00:16:35.220 television was

00:16:36.520 actually conducting

00:16:37.720 their prognosis

00:16:38.360 in Russian.

00:16:40.060 But Putin

00:16:40.860 doesn't think

00:16:41.380 that far.

00:16:42.320 So again,

00:16:43.040 his goal was

00:16:43.920 simply,

00:16:44.420 you know,

00:16:44.800 destroy Ukrainian

00:16:45.580 sovereignty.

00:16:46.580 Vladimir Zelensky

00:16:47.440 is his personal

00:16:48.240 enemy.

00:16:49.040 And when Putin

00:16:49.520 talked about

00:16:50.540 decapitating

00:16:51.260 Ukrainian government,

00:16:52.600 I don't think it

00:16:53.140 was just a

00:16:53.560 political term.

00:16:55.000 So he is

00:16:55.920 seeing, you know,

00:16:56.700 Ukraine as an

00:16:57.460 obstacle in his

00:16:58.080 way, and he

00:16:58.800 wants to destroy it.

00:16:59.760 And I think

00:17:01.020 he was shocked

00:17:01.800 by the

00:17:02.540 unified

00:17:03.140 response from

00:17:04.600 the free

00:17:04.940 world.

00:17:05.600 All of a

00:17:06.180 sudden, he

00:17:06.660 lost almost

00:17:07.720 all, if not

00:17:08.800 all, support

00:17:09.680 that he has

00:17:10.400 been building

00:17:11.020 over two

00:17:11.680 decades.

00:17:12.500 Because we

00:17:12.880 have to give

00:17:13.240 them credit.

00:17:13.960 For 20

00:17:14.400 years, he

00:17:14.900 built the

00:17:15.220 most sophisticated

00:17:15.940 network of

00:17:16.800 agents and

00:17:17.460 lobbyists

00:17:18.000 working

00:17:18.640 throughout the

00:17:19.220 entire free

00:17:19.840 world.

00:17:20.520 And included

00:17:21.080 former prime

00:17:22.040 ministers,

00:17:22.680 former

00:17:22.860 minister of

00:17:23.360 foreign affairs,

00:17:24.500 not only

00:17:25.180 politicians, but

00:17:26.140 captains of

00:17:26.940 business, famous

00:17:28.540 personalities,

00:17:31.080 luminaries.

00:17:32.400 The Russian

00:17:33.180 money infiltrated

00:17:34.120 every layer of

00:17:35.720 Western society,

00:17:37.620 political,

00:17:38.280 financial, social,

00:17:40.540 cultural, sport.

00:17:42.220 And all of a

00:17:43.120 sudden, it's all

00:17:43.880 going to bust.

00:17:44.500 I think he's

00:17:45.240 shocked now.

00:17:46.280 And that's why

00:17:46.880 he's shifting

00:17:47.660 from this, what

00:17:49.380 I call, liberation

00:17:50.140 mission, following

00:17:51.100 the Russian

00:17:51.600 propaganda language,

00:17:53.080 to indiscriminate

00:17:54.660 attacks on

00:17:55.360 Ukrainian civilians.

00:17:56.120 He is mad and

00:17:58.000 Ukrainians,

00:17:58.840 Ukrainians, people

00:17:59.940 now are feeling

00:18:00.680 the horrors of

00:18:02.200 his wrath because

00:18:03.040 now Russian

00:18:03.900 troops are

00:18:04.840 shelling civilians.

00:18:06.540 He cannot take

00:18:07.680 over Kiev or

00:18:08.520 Kharkiv and he

00:18:09.640 wants to destroy

00:18:10.320 the cities, to

00:18:10.980 turn them into

00:18:11.460 the rebels.

00:18:12.820 Let's talk about

00:18:13.240 the European

00:18:13.680 response for a

00:18:14.520 moment because it

00:18:15.400 has been unified.

00:18:16.480 It's been

00:18:16.700 shockingly unified

00:18:17.560 Europe and

00:18:18.080 beyond.

00:18:19.280 And I mean,

00:18:20.060 we talked about

00:18:20.720 yesterday how he

00:18:21.660 actually managed to

00:18:22.460 get Switzerland off

00:18:23.780 of the neutral

00:18:24.300 position and joining

00:18:25.360 in the sanctions

00:18:25.900 Switzerland, not to

00:18:27.280 mention Sweden and

00:18:28.020 many others.

00:18:28.920 And I want to ask

00:18:29.920 you in particular

00:18:30.520 about Germany.

00:18:31.460 I know you've been

00:18:31.840 very critical about

00:18:32.660 Germany essentially

00:18:33.420 bending the knee to

00:18:34.300 Putin for quite some

00:18:35.420 time now and

00:18:36.500 telegraphing all the

00:18:37.360 wrong messages.

00:18:38.460 And I wonder if what

00:18:40.420 you've seen from

00:18:41.300 Germany yesterday,

00:18:42.220 now pledging to

00:18:43.620 spend 2% of its

00:18:44.700 budget on its

00:18:45.880 military, upping

00:18:47.300 the, canceling

00:18:49.060 permanently the

00:18:49.640 Nord Stream 2

00:18:50.320 pipeline from Russia,

00:18:51.740 which is a very big

00:18:52.900 deal and stepping in

00:18:55.140 and sending arms to

00:18:56.580 Ukraine.

00:18:58.140 What do you think is

00:18:58.920 going on there?

00:18:59.440 But before you answer

00:19:00.200 that, can I just show

00:19:01.020 you this moment?

00:19:02.040 This is out of the

00:19:02.980 UN Human Rights

00:19:03.820 Council as Russian

00:19:05.620 Foreign Minister

00:19:06.360 Sergei Lavrov spoke

00:19:08.340 its video and he, so

00:19:10.360 he spoke and there

00:19:11.020 was a walkout.

00:19:11.980 There was a mass

00:19:12.660 walkout just when he

00:19:14.000 got up, I mean, via

00:19:15.220 video link and spoke

00:19:16.480 from all these

00:19:17.960 countries'

00:19:18.400 representatives who

00:19:19.040 would not even hear

00:19:20.340 it.

00:19:21.140 So, spend a minute

00:19:22.460 on what appears to

00:19:24.000 be a very unified,

00:19:25.920 certainly Europe and

00:19:26.940 beyond, world

00:19:28.060 perhaps, China

00:19:29.760 questionable,

00:19:30.660 obviously places like

00:19:31.560 Belarus not so much,

00:19:33.320 and their response

00:19:34.420 and Germany in

00:19:35.440 particular.

00:19:37.460 Yeah, it's a very

00:19:38.440 important moment

00:19:39.180 because it shows

00:19:39.940 solidarity and

00:19:41.100 isolation, political

00:19:42.620 isolation is a very

00:19:43.660 important element of

00:19:44.700 fighting Putin back.

00:19:46.640 I think that it's,

00:19:48.460 while this step was

00:19:49.220 important, symbolic

00:19:50.100 step, but more can

00:19:51.800 and must be done.

00:19:52.840 One of the measures

00:19:53.620 I've been asking

00:19:55.120 from day one was

00:19:56.860 recalling ambassadors

00:19:58.140 from Moscow and

00:20:00.280 reducing diplomatic

00:20:01.200 missions to bare

00:20:02.140 minimum.

00:20:02.960 That's important,

00:20:03.860 again, to continue

00:20:04.900 this policy of

00:20:05.700 isolation.

00:20:07.100 And by the way,

00:20:07.600 when we're speaking

00:20:08.160 about isolation,

00:20:09.760 even China has a

00:20:11.060 very tepid reaction

00:20:12.040 to Putin's

00:20:12.600 aggression.

00:20:13.020 It restated its

00:20:16.220 support for Ukrainian

00:20:17.200 territorial integrity

00:20:18.220 and sovereignty.

00:20:19.220 Again, I'm not sure

00:20:21.300 we can trust China

00:20:23.800 because China is

00:20:24.600 watching Putin's

00:20:25.760 aggression very

00:20:26.660 closely because they

00:20:28.160 have Taiwan in mind.

00:20:29.640 But it's a tricky

00:20:30.840 game.

00:20:31.340 So China believes

00:20:32.340 Taiwan is a part of

00:20:33.100 China.

00:20:33.520 So I think China

00:20:34.800 doesn't want to go

00:20:36.140 full-monthly

00:20:36.740 supporting Putin.

00:20:37.740 Even Kazakhstan,

00:20:39.200 the dictatorship that

00:20:40.760 was saved by Putin

00:20:41.760 just months ago,

00:20:43.960 demonstrated its

00:20:45.340 distance from

00:20:48.220 from Putin's

00:20:48.760 aggression.

00:20:49.220 It's very aloof.

00:20:49.800 And even the top

00:20:51.100 provider, you know,

00:20:52.120 TV provider cut

00:20:54.000 Russian channels

00:20:55.600 from Kazakhs

00:20:56.900 air.

00:20:58.340 So Putin is

00:20:59.800 increasingly isolated.

00:21:01.660 He can rely on

00:21:02.840 support of Assad,

00:21:04.060 Maduro,

00:21:05.120 Cubans,

00:21:05.880 Nicaragua,

00:21:06.480 So and Iran,

00:21:09.080 not wholeheartedly.

00:21:12.280 So that's a unique

00:21:13.820 moment.

00:21:14.260 That's a unique

00:21:14.680 moment of isolation.

00:21:15.760 And you pointed out

00:21:16.400 Germany.

00:21:17.140 Absolutely.

00:21:17.760 This is a key.

00:21:19.500 The Germans' behavior

00:21:21.300 over the last 20 years

00:21:23.420 shifted Europe in the

00:21:25.240 wrong direction because

00:21:26.020 Germany, yeah, it's

00:21:27.060 unofficial leader of

00:21:28.040 Europe.

00:21:29.120 And Angela Merkel

00:21:30.440 government that

00:21:31.320 succeeded Gerhard

00:21:32.100 Schroeder, who is

00:21:32.740 still, by the way,

00:21:33.520 working for Putin,

00:21:34.440 is on Putin's payroll.

00:21:35.800 He hasn't resigned yet,

00:21:36.920 as far as I know.

00:21:38.100 Angela Merkel

00:21:38.680 government used very

00:21:40.820 aggressive rhetoric,

00:21:43.260 sometimes belligerent

00:21:43.860 rhetoric, condemning

00:21:45.640 Putin's actions, but

00:21:46.700 never did anything to

00:21:48.340 hurt Putin's commercial

00:21:49.520 interest.

00:21:50.580 Yes, Germany supported

00:21:51.620 sanctions after annexation

00:21:52.940 of Crimea, but at the

00:21:54.400 same time doubled the

00:21:55.940 amounts of Russian gas it

00:21:57.300 has been buying.

00:21:58.560 And of course, despite

00:22:00.160 all the protests,

00:22:01.660 German politicians have

00:22:03.220 been fully supportive of

00:22:04.900 the Nord Stream 2.

00:22:06.040 That's a parallel gas

00:22:07.700 pipeline that was

00:22:08.840 important for Putin to

00:22:10.500 secure, as he thought,

00:22:12.420 the gas supply to Europe

00:22:14.000 after his attack on

00:22:14.960 Ukraine.

00:22:15.600 It's probably not

00:22:16.180 coincidence that he

00:22:17.440 decided to attack Ukraine

00:22:18.800 when the Nord Stream 2

00:22:20.000 was ready to receive

00:22:21.920 Russian gas because

00:22:22.900 that was an alternative

00:22:24.640 that he wanted to

00:22:25.980 build.

00:22:26.200 And German politicians

00:22:27.380 were very, very

00:22:28.660 reluctant, I would say

00:22:30.320 even aggressive,

00:22:31.780 speaking to people like

00:22:32.780 myself and

00:22:34.820 deflecting criticism

00:22:36.100 about political

00:22:38.040 aspect of Nord Stream,

00:22:39.180 saying it's all about

00:22:40.080 business.

00:22:41.280 And even on the next

00:22:42.980 day of Putin's

00:22:43.880 attack on Ukraine,

00:22:45.200 Germany still refused

00:22:46.460 to sell weapons to

00:22:47.720 Ukraine and try to

00:22:48.840 mediate.

00:22:50.140 But what we saw,

00:22:51.480 public opinion has

00:22:52.220 changed.

00:22:52.540 And that's what

00:22:53.560 means, you know,

00:22:54.400 that means democracy

00:22:55.560 is working.

00:22:56.780 All of a sudden,

00:22:57.720 people that were not

00:23:00.280 ready to rally behind

00:23:01.740 Ukraine, they recognized

00:23:03.140 that it's something that

00:23:04.800 we can no longer

00:23:05.880 tolerate.

00:23:06.820 And German government

00:23:07.720 immediately shifted.

00:23:08.920 And I have to give credit

00:23:09.760 to German

00:23:11.600 Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

00:23:13.580 It looked like a

00:23:14.580 bureaucrat, you know,

00:23:15.280 the gray suit,

00:23:16.340 somebody who was missing

00:23:17.920 the charisma of Angela

00:23:18.940 Merkel or Gerhard

00:23:19.880 Schroeder or

00:23:20.840 Helmut Kohl,

00:23:22.360 but he acted

00:23:23.660 decisively and he

00:23:24.980 changed not the German

00:23:26.020 policy in the last 20

00:23:26.960 years.

00:23:27.460 We can say that he

00:23:28.400 shifted German policy

00:23:29.580 that goes all the way

00:23:31.300 back to 1969,

00:23:32.420 so-called Ostpolitik,

00:23:34.760 started by

00:23:36.040 Social Democratic

00:23:37.580 Chancellor

00:23:38.160 Willy Brandt.

00:23:39.560 And it immediately

00:23:41.160 changed the European

00:23:42.940 position.

00:23:44.240 So, and

00:23:44.580 I have to say I'm

00:23:46.600 astonished by, not just

00:23:48.060 by European response,

00:23:49.440 but the fact is that

00:23:50.280 the European Union,

00:23:51.940 the Union of 27

00:23:53.100 countries,

00:23:54.140 came up with a more

00:23:55.120 decisive

00:23:55.820 sanctions against Russia

00:23:58.280 than the United States.

00:23:59.960 We have been

00:24:00.620 hearing it for so long

00:24:02.140 that America prepared

00:24:03.280 the package,

00:24:03.980 devastating sanctions,

00:24:05.460 you know,

00:24:05.780 it's unheard,

00:24:06.840 it would ruin

00:24:08.360 Russian economy.

00:24:09.420 Yes, America is doing

00:24:10.360 it, but

00:24:10.860 if you look at

00:24:12.240 the scorecard,

00:24:14.340 America is still

00:24:15.100 lagging behind.

00:24:16.060 It's leading from

00:24:17.360 behind,

00:24:17.920 if we use this

00:24:18.800 infamous phrase.

00:24:20.180 And actually,

00:24:21.260 we are working now

00:24:22.060 on a new

00:24:22.560 website,

00:24:23.660 you know,

00:24:23.860 just to have the

00:24:24.340 scorecard.

00:24:25.440 It's fightforukraine.com

00:24:27.180 that will be alive

00:24:28.180 by the end of today.

00:24:29.420 So fight for,

00:24:30.300 for like a number,

00:24:31.480 Ukraine.

00:24:31.960 And we want to show

00:24:33.000 as every country

00:24:34.560 and every international

00:24:35.760 institution

00:24:36.280 responded to

00:24:37.980 Russian aggression

00:24:38.660 with sanctions

00:24:39.640 and military supply

00:24:40.660 of Ukraine.

00:24:41.700 Oh, that's great.

00:24:42.520 Fight for,

00:24:43.220 the numeral for,

00:24:44.060 ukraine.com,

00:24:45.380 hopefully live

00:24:46.180 by the end of the day.

00:24:46.900 We'll definitely

00:24:47.180 be checking that out.

00:24:48.340 All right,

00:24:48.500 Gary's staying with us

00:24:49.540 past this break.

00:24:50.560 We're going to

00:24:50.820 squeeze in a quick

00:24:51.360 commercial.

00:24:52.220 And up next,

00:24:52.660 we're going to

00:24:52.980 discuss the power

00:24:53.900 of Zelensky,

00:24:55.740 whose words

00:24:56.540 have even brought

00:24:57.340 professional interpreters

00:24:58.720 to tears

00:24:59.900 repeatedly.

00:25:01.160 That's next.

00:25:01.720 The powerful appeals

00:25:10.800 for help

00:25:11.620 from Ukrainian

00:25:12.860 President Zelensky

00:25:13.740 have touched

00:25:14.240 hearts and minds

00:25:14.940 across the world.

00:25:16.240 Even bringing

00:25:16.800 veteran interpreters

00:25:18.160 to tears.

00:25:18.800 Never heard anything

00:25:19.300 like it.

00:25:20.180 Take a listen here

00:25:20.820 as one is overcome

00:25:22.340 with emotion

00:25:23.000 as Zelensky spoke

00:25:24.520 to the European

00:25:25.220 Parliament

00:25:25.860 earlier today.

00:25:27.060 Can you imagine

00:25:28.120 this morning

00:25:28.820 two cruise missiles

00:25:30.140 hit this

00:25:32.720 freedom square?

00:25:34.660 Dozens of

00:25:35.540 killed ones.

00:25:37.520 This is the

00:25:38.100 price of freedom.

00:25:42.840 We're fighting

00:25:44.040 just for our

00:25:46.360 land

00:25:47.000 and for our

00:25:49.340 freedom.

00:25:51.820 Despite the

00:25:53.520 fact

00:25:53.840 that all

00:25:55.200 large cities

00:25:55.700 of our country

00:25:56.380 are now blocked.

00:25:57.160 the parliament

00:26:00.320 giving that

00:26:00.820 speech

00:26:01.200 a standing

00:26:02.080 ovation.

00:26:02.940 Watch this.

00:26:03.380 just a few

00:26:25.120 days ago

00:26:25.580 as Zelensky

00:26:26.180 explained

00:26:26.720 that Vladimir

00:26:27.500 Putin was

00:26:28.020 on a path

00:26:28.560 of evil

00:26:29.120 a Ukrainian

00:26:30.200 translating

00:26:30.820 on German

00:26:31.280 TV

00:26:31.620 could not

00:26:32.080 go on.

00:26:32.580 The words

00:26:33.340 here are

00:26:33.600 not in

00:26:33.880 English

00:26:34.120 but they

00:26:34.840 don't need

00:26:35.200 to be.

00:26:35.700 Listen.

00:26:36.300 Ukraine

00:26:36.660 we know

00:26:38.520 what we

00:26:41.580 are defending.

00:26:43.620 Thank

00:26:44.140 each

00:26:44.860 of our

00:26:45.820 soldiers.

00:26:47.220 Thank

00:26:47.540 Ukraine.

00:26:49.160 Thank

00:26:49.620 the words

00:26:51.680 that got

00:26:52.020 her.

00:26:52.800 Ukrainians

00:26:53.400 we know

00:26:53.720 exactly what

00:26:54.320 we are

00:26:54.560 defending.

00:26:55.380 We will

00:26:55.620 definitely

00:26:56.000 win.

00:26:56.820 Glory to

00:26:57.340 each of

00:26:57.660 our

00:26:57.840 soldiers.

00:26:58.960 Glory

00:26:59.240 to Ukraine.

00:27:00.640 I'm

00:27:01.060 joined once

00:27:01.440 again by

00:27:02.000 Russian

00:27:02.460 pro-democracy

00:27:03.300 activist and

00:27:03.980 former world

00:27:04.760 chess champion

00:27:05.740 Gary Kasparov.

00:27:07.700 Gary at some

00:27:08.260 point you've got to

00:27:08.760 come back and

00:27:09.180 we've got to

00:27:09.520 talk about your

00:27:10.060 history and

00:27:10.660 your whole

00:27:11.040 profile because

00:27:11.760 it's fascinating

00:27:12.540 just for those

00:27:13.620 who needed a

00:27:14.340 quick update.

00:27:15.780 Born in the

00:27:16.040 Soviet Union

00:27:16.540 in 1963

00:27:17.360 became the

00:27:18.080 under 18

00:27:18.820 chess champion

00:27:19.500 of the

00:27:20.120 USSR at

00:27:21.080 the age of

00:27:21.600 12.

00:27:22.660 The under

00:27:23.220 and the

00:27:23.920 world under

00:27:24.440 20 champion

00:27:25.100 at the age

00:27:25.600 of 17.

00:27:26.980 International fame

00:27:27.740 at the age

00:27:28.080 of 22

00:27:28.560 is the

00:27:28.900 youngest

00:27:29.160 world

00:27:29.540 chess

00:27:29.800 champion

00:27:30.160 in history

00:27:31.280 back in

00:27:32.440 1985 a

00:27:33.740 title you

00:27:34.160 defended five

00:27:35.460 times.

00:27:36.380 You broke

00:27:36.640 Bobby Fisher's

00:27:37.360 rating record

00:27:37.900 in 1990

00:27:38.580 and your

00:27:39.380 own peak

00:27:39.900 rating record

00:27:40.440 remained

00:27:40.740 unbroken

00:27:41.280 all the way

00:27:41.980 through 2013.

00:27:44.000 You since

00:27:45.280 fled the

00:27:45.880 Soviet Union

00:27:46.580 the Russia

00:27:47.160 in Moscow

00:27:48.620 and have

00:27:49.500 become a

00:27:50.000 target of

00:27:50.840 President Putin

00:27:51.940 who wanted

00:27:52.860 to arrest

00:27:53.640 you and

00:27:54.040 perhaps more

00:27:54.900 and have

00:27:56.020 been pushing

00:27:56.560 for democracy

00:27:57.680 there and

00:27:59.140 abroad ever

00:28:00.080 since and

00:28:01.140 been a

00:28:01.620 fearless

00:28:01.900 advocate for

00:28:03.280 reforms and

00:28:05.040 slow they have

00:28:06.520 been to come.

00:28:07.420 So one of the

00:28:08.320 things that I've

00:28:08.700 heard you talk

00:28:09.080 about as well

00:28:09.920 is America

00:28:10.680 and I've

00:28:11.520 heard you

00:28:11.900 just really

00:28:12.880 smart observations

00:28:14.300 about how

00:28:15.160 those young

00:28:16.380 kids today

00:28:16.920 who think

00:28:17.280 America is

00:28:18.180 they compare

00:28:19.280 it to a

00:28:19.720 third world

00:28:20.080 country.

00:28:20.620 They talk

00:28:20.840 about us

00:28:21.180 being oppressive

00:28:21.860 about how

00:28:23.000 we have no

00:28:24.520 civil rights

00:28:24.940 in this

00:28:25.220 country and

00:28:25.780 we don't

00:28:26.020 understand the

00:28:27.180 way

00:28:27.500 to treat

00:28:28.260 people and

00:28:28.920 to advance

00:28:29.300 humanity

00:28:29.760 and you've

00:28:30.780 basically said

00:28:31.500 they don't

00:28:32.000 know what

00:28:32.260 they're talking

00:28:32.680 about.

00:28:33.280 Try living

00:28:34.280 in some

00:28:35.340 countries around

00:28:35.860 the world

00:28:36.200 and then come

00:28:36.580 back and tell

00:28:37.100 us that

00:28:37.440 America is

00:28:38.660 not the

00:28:39.260 leader of

00:28:39.760 the free

00:28:40.040 world.

00:28:40.460 It's not

00:28:40.840 perfect but

00:28:41.900 it certainly

00:28:42.240 is the

00:28:42.540 leader when

00:28:43.000 it comes

00:28:43.240 to freedom

00:28:43.620 and there's

00:28:44.060 a reason

00:28:44.360 so many

00:28:44.680 people want

00:28:45.060 to come

00:28:45.260 here.

00:28:45.960 So

00:28:46.060 understanding

00:28:47.120 that that's

00:28:47.540 been our

00:28:47.980 role,

00:28:48.780 what do you

00:28:49.280 think our

00:28:49.660 role here

00:28:50.340 should be?

00:28:51.440 What should

00:28:52.100 America be

00:28:52.640 doing right

00:28:53.040 now that it's

00:28:53.500 not?

00:28:53.700 those emotional

00:28:58.900 moments you

00:28:59.480 showed and

00:29:00.080 every time I

00:29:01.300 hear this

00:29:01.860 testimonies and

00:29:03.980 this emotional

00:29:05.400 reaction even

00:29:06.200 from the

00:29:06.580 interpreter so

00:29:07.340 I feel

00:29:08.080 ashamed that

00:29:08.640 I'm Russian

00:29:09.120 though I

00:29:09.940 always opposed

00:29:11.120 Vladimir Putin's

00:29:12.460 dictatorship and

00:29:13.340 I've been warning

00:29:13.940 about his

00:29:14.460 horrors but

00:29:15.020 it's this

00:29:16.300 we all know

00:29:16.820 we bear

00:29:17.460 responsibilities

00:29:18.280 that this

00:29:18.880 monster is

00:29:20.340 ruling our

00:29:20.760 country and

00:29:21.460 it's threatening

00:29:22.160 not only

00:29:22.700 Ukraine but

00:29:23.260 the whole

00:29:23.660 world with

00:29:25.540 total

00:29:27.580 destruction.

00:29:29.240 As for

00:29:29.900 America

00:29:30.340 sometimes I'm

00:29:33.400 frustrated,

00:29:34.160 annoyed,

00:29:34.640 you know,

00:29:35.120 pick up the

00:29:35.500 right word

00:29:35.980 when I see

00:29:36.800 these young

00:29:37.200 Americans,

00:29:38.660 not only young

00:29:39.260 Americans,

00:29:39.960 just some

00:29:40.540 Americans

00:29:40.960 totally ignorant

00:29:42.480 about the rest

00:29:43.140 of the world.

00:29:43.720 Oh, just

00:29:44.640 calling America

00:29:45.560 is a country

00:29:47.920 with no real

00:29:48.420 democracy and

00:29:49.280 looking at

00:29:49.680 American past,

00:29:51.000 I know,

00:29:51.360 denigrating

00:29:51.880 American history

00:29:52.580 and democracy

00:29:53.340 and protesting

00:29:56.880 against injustices.

00:29:58.400 Yeah, no

00:29:59.120 country is

00:30:00.060 perfect.

00:30:00.680 American democracy

00:30:01.280 is not perfect

00:30:01.960 but there is no

00:30:02.560 perfection in the

00:30:03.640 universe.

00:30:04.400 Nothing is even

00:30:05.420 close to 100%

00:30:06.380 but you always

00:30:07.380 should look at

00:30:08.200 the relative

00:30:09.400 strengths and

00:30:10.540 weaknesses.

00:30:11.440 An American

00:30:11.800 democracy today

00:30:12.800 and America

00:30:13.980 as a country

00:30:14.800 is a force

00:30:15.840 for good

00:30:16.380 as it was

00:30:17.500 50 years ago

00:30:18.380 when people

00:30:18.800 like me

00:30:19.280 who were born

00:30:20.440 and raised

00:30:20.960 in the Soviet

00:30:21.440 Union on the

00:30:22.160 other side

00:30:22.580 of Iron Curtain

00:30:23.280 always looked

00:30:24.100 at America

00:30:24.620 as a beacon

00:30:25.140 of hope.

00:30:25.960 And today

00:30:26.340 we have

00:30:26.840 millions,

00:30:28.220 tens of

00:30:28.680 millions,

00:30:29.400 hundreds of

00:30:29.980 millions of

00:30:30.480 people still

00:30:31.120 looking at

00:30:31.520 America this

00:30:32.160 way.

00:30:33.160 Yes,

00:30:33.440 we know

00:30:33.840 that America

00:30:34.480 is trying

00:30:35.140 to improve

00:30:35.880 and America

00:30:36.960 is looking

00:30:37.760 at its past

00:30:39.200 and being

00:30:39.940 highly critical

00:30:40.940 but we

00:30:42.880 never had

00:30:46.000 the same

00:30:46.640 kind of

00:30:47.020 freedom.

00:30:47.860 Today,

00:30:49.240 millions,

00:30:49.880 maybe even

00:30:50.280 billions of

00:30:50.960 people in

00:30:51.320 the world

00:30:51.660 because according

00:30:52.860 to Freedom

00:30:53.260 House,

00:30:54.300 you know,

00:30:54.580 it's two-thirds

00:30:55.720 of the world

00:30:56.180 population live

00:30:56.940 in unfree

00:30:57.440 countries.

00:30:58.760 So people

00:30:59.340 would be

00:30:59.960 dying for

00:31:01.720 the portion

00:31:03.300 of freedoms

00:31:04.220 that Americans

00:31:04.980 always take

00:31:06.200 for granted.

00:31:06.680 and what

00:31:07.600 is happening

00:31:08.020 now in

00:31:08.400 Ukraine

00:31:08.800 is a

00:31:09.240 demonstration

00:31:09.680 that people

00:31:10.320 are willing

00:31:10.640 to die

00:31:11.340 for freedom

00:31:11.980 and in

00:31:14.360 America,

00:31:14.980 you have

00:31:15.300 so many

00:31:15.780 opportunities

00:31:16.240 to advance

00:31:17.500 the cause

00:31:17.940 of freedom

00:31:18.420 but you

00:31:19.060 have to

00:31:19.340 fight for

00:31:19.660 your own

00:31:19.860 democracy.

00:31:20.480 But to

00:31:20.880 fight for

00:31:21.220 democracy

00:31:21.560 and to

00:31:22.100 regain

00:31:22.920 American

00:31:23.360 leadership

00:31:23.820 in the

00:31:24.120 world,

00:31:24.480 you must

00:31:24.880 respect

00:31:25.400 your

00:31:25.600 democracy.

00:31:26.240 You must

00:31:26.520 recognize

00:31:27.200 the role

00:31:27.680 of America

00:31:28.160 and it's

00:31:28.880 tragic

00:31:29.320 that on

00:31:30.200 both sides

00:31:30.940 of the

00:31:31.200 political

00:31:31.440 spectrum,

00:31:32.060 the extremes

00:31:32.620 on the

00:31:32.960 right or

00:31:33.320 the left,

00:31:34.140 for different

00:31:35.120 reasons,

00:31:35.560 they challenge

00:31:36.920 this American

00:31:37.380 role and

00:31:38.560 they do

00:31:39.060 not understand

00:31:40.000 that attacking

00:31:41.240 America's

00:31:42.400 leadership role

00:31:43.400 in the

00:31:43.620 world and

00:31:44.200 finding excuses

00:31:45.120 for thugs,

00:31:46.300 terrorists and

00:31:47.660 dictators on

00:31:49.700 the globe,

00:31:50.760 they are

00:31:52.120 chopping pieces

00:31:54.500 for American

00:31:55.040 democracy because

00:31:55.900 if you are

00:31:57.540 not ready to

00:31:58.740 defend democracy

00:31:59.700 worldwide in

00:32:01.440 the 21st century,

00:32:02.540 it's globalization,

00:32:03.640 which means we

00:32:04.400 know instantly

00:32:05.340 what's happening

00:32:05.900 in Ukraine,

00:32:06.660 in Indonesia,

00:32:07.500 in Argentina,

00:32:08.900 all over the

00:32:09.520 world.

00:32:10.460 And if we

00:32:11.520 are not ready

00:32:12.620 to fight for

00:32:13.660 democracy

00:32:14.100 worldwide,

00:32:14.620 we are

00:32:15.540 endangering our

00:32:16.360 democracy here

00:32:17.100 in this

00:32:17.400 country.

00:32:18.780 So what does

00:32:19.180 that mean for

00:32:19.700 us in

00:32:20.000 Ukraine?

00:32:20.540 You know the

00:32:21.000 American people

00:32:21.580 are war weary.

00:32:22.680 They don't have

00:32:23.100 a lot of trust

00:32:23.620 in their

00:32:23.880 generals after

00:32:24.620 the way

00:32:24.940 Afghanistan

00:32:25.400 went and

00:32:26.220 news emerging

00:32:27.600 of the

00:32:27.880 Afghanistan

00:32:28.280 papers about

00:32:29.040 how we've

00:32:29.380 been lied to

00:32:29.860 by our

00:32:30.180 leaders for

00:32:30.580 so long

00:32:31.660 about how

00:32:32.240 that war

00:32:32.560 was going,

00:32:33.620 never mind

00:32:34.000 the disastrous

00:32:34.560 exit.

00:32:35.340 Never mind

00:32:36.040 the disaster

00:32:36.620 in Iraq

00:32:37.200 and I

00:32:37.540 could go

00:32:37.820 on.

00:32:38.620 So that's

00:32:39.140 the mindset

00:32:39.860 right now

00:32:40.440 of most

00:32:41.180 Americans

00:32:41.640 when it

00:32:42.020 comes to,

00:32:42.540 oh my

00:32:42.680 God,

00:32:42.880 we can't

00:32:43.180 get involved

00:32:43.540 in another

00:32:43.960 war.

00:32:44.600 Certainly

00:32:44.960 don't want

00:32:45.360 a war

00:32:45.640 with Russia

00:32:46.640 and nuclear

00:32:47.900 armed

00:32:48.200 country.

00:32:49.320 So okay,

00:32:49.860 we'll stick

00:32:50.380 to the

00:32:50.720 sanctions

00:32:51.100 and we'll

00:32:51.540 hope that

00:32:51.880 they work

00:32:52.340 and we'll

00:32:52.620 try to be

00:32:53.340 a part

00:32:53.640 of this

00:32:53.940 international

00:32:54.420 coalition,

00:32:55.040 not lead

00:32:55.440 it,

00:32:55.780 but be a

00:32:56.120 part of

00:32:56.400 it,

00:32:57.120 cracking

00:32:57.380 down

00:32:57.820 on Vladimir

00:32:58.780 Putin

00:32:59.100 and Russia.

00:32:59.640 what more

00:33:01.400 should we

00:33:01.820 be doing

00:33:02.180 in your

00:33:02.480 view?

00:33:03.680 Yeah,

00:33:04.380 it's an

00:33:06.160 American

00:33:06.480 concept over

00:33:07.280 the last

00:33:07.640 15 years

00:33:08.500 or so,

00:33:09.060 leading from

00:33:09.520 behind.

00:33:09.980 And I

00:33:11.080 can remind

00:33:11.780 you and

00:33:12.560 our listeners

00:33:13.480 that back

00:33:14.400 in 1951,

00:33:15.940 President

00:33:16.220 Harris

00:33:16.640 Truman said

00:33:17.520 we cannot

00:33:18.180 lead force

00:33:18.980 of freedom

00:33:19.340 from behind.

00:33:21.100 And without

00:33:23.380 America

00:33:24.060 reassuming

00:33:25.540 its leadership

00:33:26.220 role,

00:33:27.560 the world

00:33:27.940 is in

00:33:28.180 trouble.

00:33:28.700 Right now

00:33:29.140 we see the

00:33:29.640 coalition of

00:33:30.240 European nations

00:33:30.900 led by

00:33:31.340 Germany.

00:33:32.440 And again,

00:33:33.120 it's a very

00:33:33.940 powerful message,

00:33:34.840 but we still

00:33:35.400 need America

00:33:36.020 to participate

00:33:37.660 aggressively in

00:33:38.520 the war

00:33:39.100 because it's

00:33:41.160 not a war

00:33:41.680 of our

00:33:41.940 choosing,

00:33:42.560 but we

00:33:42.920 are at

00:33:43.300 war already.

00:33:44.500 Vladimir

00:33:44.820 Putin,

00:33:45.500 again,

00:33:45.860 listen to

00:33:46.280 his

00:33:46.440 rhetorics,

00:33:47.000 listen to

00:33:47.300 his propaganda.

00:33:48.200 He's

00:33:48.600 attacking

00:33:49.000 Ukraine,

00:33:49.740 not just

00:33:50.080 as Ukraine,

00:33:50.900 but as

00:33:51.120 an American

00:33:51.460 puppet.

00:33:52.300 He is

00:33:52.840 at war

00:33:53.200 with America.

00:33:54.020 He is

00:33:54.420 at war

00:33:54.740 with democracy.

00:33:56.120 And he

00:33:56.360 believes that

00:33:56.980 the world

00:33:57.740 must accept

00:33:58.860 his

00:33:59.620 conditions.

00:34:00.900 His

00:34:01.120 ultimatum

00:34:02.060 that he

00:34:02.560 issued a

00:34:03.640 few months

00:34:04.020 ago,

00:34:04.900 by the way,

00:34:06.100 after seeing

00:34:07.060 President Biden

00:34:07.780 at the

00:34:08.300 summit in

00:34:09.020 last June,

00:34:09.740 and then

00:34:09.980 having these

00:34:10.420 two conversations

00:34:11.140 with him

00:34:11.700 just over

00:34:12.560 Zoom or

00:34:13.560 whatever

00:34:13.920 communication

00:34:16.340 they used,

00:34:17.460 he felt

00:34:18.540 arrogant and

00:34:20.040 emboldened

00:34:20.640 to issue

00:34:21.300 the ultimatum

00:34:22.060 demanding the,

00:34:23.360 more or less,

00:34:24.080 we can read it

00:34:24.640 between the lines,

00:34:25.720 the end of

00:34:26.220 NATO,

00:34:27.740 the

00:34:27.940 capillation of

00:34:29.040 America and

00:34:29.700 capillation of

00:34:30.360 the West,

00:34:31.360 and giving him

00:34:33.300 full power to

00:34:34.880 decide how to

00:34:35.820 act in his

00:34:37.100 spheres of

00:34:37.860 influence.

00:34:39.780 And now

00:34:40.880 he's trying

00:34:41.860 to impose

00:34:42.400 his will.

00:34:43.080 That's why

00:34:43.520 he's threatening

00:34:44.260 nuclear

00:34:49.180 weapon to

00:34:50.900 become a

00:34:51.340 factor in

00:34:52.680 this game,

00:34:53.880 because he

00:34:54.340 knows,

00:34:55.440 as an

00:34:56.740 experienced

00:34:57.160 poker player,

00:34:58.300 that he has

00:34:58.740 a very weak

00:34:59.140 hand.

00:35:00.280 Russian

00:35:00.680 conventional

00:35:01.140 force is

00:35:02.440 no match

00:35:03.060 to NATO.

00:35:03.640 It cannot

00:35:04.240 win a war

00:35:04.780 even against

00:35:05.280 Ukraine.

00:35:06.200 They're

00:35:06.400 stuck.

00:35:07.860 So,

00:35:08.380 facing NATO

00:35:09.080 on the

00:35:10.020 battlefield is

00:35:10.700 not an

00:35:10.960 option for

00:35:11.360 him.

00:35:11.800 So,

00:35:12.120 he's trying

00:35:12.500 to raise

00:35:12.840 the stakes.

00:35:14.100 And as

00:35:14.460 he did

00:35:14.900 before,

00:35:15.940 for him,

00:35:16.680 it's a

00:35:17.460 game of

00:35:17.840 nerves.

00:35:18.680 He expects

00:35:19.360 America and

00:35:20.100 Europe to

00:35:20.560 blink.

00:35:21.760 And then,

00:35:22.940 then he

00:35:23.320 wins.

00:35:24.580 I think if

00:35:25.100 he takes

00:35:25.440 over Ukraine,

00:35:26.800 even with

00:35:27.580 Ukrainians

00:35:28.360 refusing to

00:35:29.380 accept his

00:35:29.940 rule,

00:35:30.400 that could

00:35:31.260 be disastrous

00:35:31.820 because he

00:35:32.420 will not

00:35:32.760 stop.

00:35:33.740 Dictators

00:35:34.220 never stop.

00:35:35.940 They are

00:35:36.420 stopped.

00:35:37.900 And it's

00:35:38.720 just a

00:35:39.120 matter of

00:35:39.420 time before

00:35:40.200 Putin will

00:35:40.940 test American

00:35:41.700 resolve on

00:35:42.760 NATO territory.

00:35:45.060 And that's

00:35:45.380 why I'm

00:35:46.060 not comfortable

00:35:47.320 hearing President

00:35:48.380 Biden repeating

00:35:49.140 we would not

00:35:50.040 fight for

00:35:50.420 Ukraine,

00:35:50.780 but we would

00:35:51.300 defend every

00:35:52.200 inch of

00:35:52.660 territory of

00:35:53.580 NATO

00:35:53.760 countries.

00:35:54.960 It's not

00:35:55.540 about me

00:35:55.900 believing him

00:35:56.380 or not.

00:35:56.940 I don't

00:35:57.180 think Putin

00:35:57.660 believes him.

00:35:59.100 Because there

00:35:59.780 was a

00:36:00.020 meeting,

00:36:00.560 summit I

00:36:00.960 mentioned,

00:36:01.460 in June,

00:36:02.360 and we

00:36:02.720 heard that

00:36:03.140 America laid

00:36:03.780 down an

00:36:04.140 ultimatum.

00:36:04.900 They had

00:36:05.800 a meeting

00:36:07.140 where Biden

00:36:07.740 looking at

00:36:08.160 Putin's

00:36:08.420 eyes said,

00:36:09.180 we would

00:36:09.600 punish you

00:36:10.620 for your

00:36:11.360 aggression

00:36:11.680 against

00:36:11.940 Ukraine.

00:36:12.500 So it

00:36:13.900 seems that

00:36:14.320 Putin didn't

00:36:14.800 believe him.

00:36:15.920 And then

00:36:16.120 they had two

00:36:16.460 more conversations.

00:36:17.420 And then

00:36:17.640 every Western

00:36:18.320 leader visited

00:36:18.820 him.

00:36:19.320 He didn't

00:36:19.740 believe them

00:36:20.200 because they

00:36:20.700 were so

00:36:21.040 weak.

00:36:21.760 Why do you

00:36:22.420 think that

00:36:22.760 Putin would

00:36:23.200 believe

00:36:23.640 when Biden

00:36:25.680 talks about

00:36:26.440 Estonia,

00:36:27.820 Latvia,

00:36:28.200 or Poland?

00:36:29.200 I think it's

00:36:30.020 time to

00:36:30.320 recognize we

00:36:30.960 are at war.

00:36:31.620 And while

00:36:32.420 I'm not

00:36:32.760 advocating

00:36:33.300 just immediate

00:36:34.380 intervention,

00:36:35.680 but we

00:36:35.960 should do

00:36:36.360 more.

00:36:37.440 And isolation

00:36:37.980 of Russia

00:36:38.380 must be

00:36:38.820 complete.

00:36:39.900 Oil embargo,

00:36:40.740 gas embargo,

00:36:41.940 total isolation

00:36:42.760 everywhere,

00:36:43.560 and stop

00:36:44.100 every conversation

00:36:45.040 with Russia.

00:36:46.040 I also wonder

00:36:46.840 if Americans

00:36:47.800 are trying to

00:36:48.560 bring Russia

00:36:49.040 into Iranian

00:36:49.600 deal,

00:36:50.500 because according

00:36:51.620 to many sources,

00:36:53.600 Russia was a

00:36:54.220 country where

00:36:54.760 uranium,

00:36:57.240 enriched uranium,

00:36:58.240 had to be

00:36:58.860 stockpiled.

00:37:00.160 Bad,

00:37:00.920 because that

00:37:01.380 means Russia

00:37:02.020 is still at

00:37:02.600 the table.

00:37:04.020 Cut all the

00:37:04.680 ties.

00:37:05.340 Green deal,

00:37:06.160 Iranian deal,

00:37:07.240 Russia must

00:37:07.980 become a

00:37:08.520 pariah.

00:37:09.240 And that's

00:37:09.500 the way to

00:37:10.360 demonstrate to

00:37:11.920 Russian people

00:37:12.560 and to Russian

00:37:13.280 elite that

00:37:14.280 America and

00:37:14.960 Europe are

00:37:15.360 serious.

00:37:16.000 So far,

00:37:16.860 I still hear

00:37:18.300 doubts and

00:37:19.600 weaknesses,

00:37:20.360 and Putin also

00:37:21.060 is hearing

00:37:21.760 them.

00:37:22.320 And that's

00:37:22.620 why he will

00:37:23.660 keep raising

00:37:24.240 stakes.

00:37:25.840 My gosh,

00:37:26.820 I could talk

00:37:27.760 to you for

00:37:28.160 two more

00:37:28.740 hours,

00:37:29.060 and I

00:37:29.260 would like

00:37:29.820 to.

00:37:30.500 Will you

00:37:30.960 agree to

00:37:31.300 come back

00:37:31.760 soon and

00:37:32.460 let's have

00:37:32.780 a longer

00:37:33.120 discussion?

00:37:34.160 I'm always

00:37:34.560 available,

00:37:35.200 Megan.

00:37:35.480 I think we

00:37:37.040 are facing

00:37:37.680 one of the

00:37:39.080 turning points

00:37:39.760 in history,

00:37:41.020 a milestone.

00:37:42.040 And what

00:37:43.440 happens today

00:37:44.180 may decide

00:37:45.080 our lives

00:37:46.000 for months,

00:37:46.980 years,

00:37:47.420 maybe decades.

00:37:48.680 Wow.

00:37:49.320 All right.

00:37:49.660 Before you

00:37:50.120 go, give us

00:37:50.880 the name of

00:37:51.200 the website

00:37:51.560 again so

00:37:52.000 people can

00:37:52.380 check it

00:37:52.680 out.

00:37:53.780 It's

00:37:54.020 fightforukraine.com

00:37:55.780 or .org.

00:37:56.840 Fight for

00:37:57.460 number,

00:37:58.120 Ukraine,

00:37:58.900 and it

00:37:59.240 will be

00:37:59.540 ready by

00:38:00.140 the end

00:38:00.340 of the

00:38:00.540 day.

00:38:01.120 All right.

00:38:01.380 We'll keep

00:38:01.700 refreshing.

00:38:03.000 Gary, thank

00:38:03.420 you.

00:38:03.700 Thank you so

00:38:04.120 much.

00:38:04.340 We appreciate

00:38:04.740 it.

00:38:05.640 Thank you

00:38:05.940 very much

00:38:06.180 for having

00:38:06.480 me.

00:38:07.160 Wow.

00:38:07.660 Extraordinary

00:38:08.060 man, right?

00:38:09.120 Extraordinary

00:38:09.520 man.

00:38:10.040 He knows of

00:38:10.780 what he

00:38:11.020 speaks.

00:38:12.180 Now, tonight,

00:38:13.120 we will be

00:38:13.660 hearing from

00:38:14.260 President Joe

00:38:14.880 Biden.

00:38:15.220 He's finally

00:38:15.660 going to

00:38:16.080 deliver the

00:38:16.740 State of

00:38:17.020 the Union

00:38:17.400 address months

00:38:19.160 after he was

00:38:19.700 supposed to.

00:38:20.240 We expect

00:38:20.700 what?

00:38:22.220 I guess it's

00:38:22.900 not an end

00:38:24.020 to COVID,

00:38:24.660 but he's

00:38:24.980 definitely going

00:38:25.540 to be taking

00:38:25.960 some sort

00:38:26.340 of a victory

00:38:26.840 lap.

00:38:27.660 And what's

00:38:28.160 he going to

00:38:28.460 say about

00:38:28.840 Ukraine?

00:38:29.260 What kind

00:38:29.480 of credit

00:38:29.900 is he going

00:38:30.560 to want

00:38:30.960 for what's

00:38:32.000 happened there?

00:38:32.560 Michael Knowles

00:38:33.120 of The Daily

00:38:34.180 Wire joins

00:38:35.100 us next.

00:38:42.180 Joining me

00:38:42.760 now,

00:38:43.180 Michael Knowles,

00:38:43.900 host of

00:38:44.520 The Michael

00:38:44.940 Knowles

00:38:45.380 Show for

00:38:46.080 The Daily

00:38:46.400 Wire.

00:38:46.740 Michael,

00:38:46.980 great to

00:38:47.240 have you

00:38:47.520 here in

00:38:48.380 advance of

00:38:49.140 the long

00:38:49.820 awaited

00:38:50.460 State of

00:38:51.000 the Union

00:38:51.380 address.

00:38:52.580 And I

00:38:52.800 said at

00:38:53.020 the top

00:38:53.240 of the

00:38:53.400 show,

00:38:53.580 this is

00:38:53.800 probably

00:38:54.080 the most

00:38:54.460 important

00:38:54.920 address that

00:38:55.660 Joe Biden

00:38:56.180 will have

00:38:56.520 given to

00:38:57.040 the nation

00:38:57.420 since he

00:38:57.800 became

00:38:58.080 president,

00:38:59.040 given everything

00:38:59.500 that's happening

00:39:00.080 at home and

00:39:00.820 abroad.

00:39:02.140 You know,

00:39:02.300 the naval

00:39:02.640 gazers in

00:39:03.180 Washington have

00:39:03.880 been beating

00:39:04.360 themselves up

00:39:05.000 asking,

00:39:05.460 will he say

00:39:05.960 the word

00:39:06.440 inflation?

00:39:07.540 Will he

00:39:07.740 say the

00:39:08.320 word?

00:39:09.100 I mean,

00:39:09.360 would you

00:39:09.540 shut the

00:39:10.300 hell up,

00:39:10.720 right?

00:39:10.880 Like,

00:39:11.120 who gives

00:39:12.780 a shit

00:39:13.020 whether he

00:39:13.380 says the

00:39:13.700 word inflation

00:39:14.180 or not?

00:39:14.580 We know

00:39:14.820 that we're

00:39:15.080 dealing with

00:39:15.440 record inflation.

00:39:16.500 What's he

00:39:16.800 going to do

00:39:17.300 about inflation

00:39:17.960 is the

00:39:18.280 question.

00:39:19.120 And what

00:39:19.440 I'm gathering

00:39:20.040 from what

00:39:20.460 I'm reading

00:39:20.920 is he's

00:39:22.060 basically just

00:39:22.620 going to

00:39:25.660 plans like

00:39:26.100 BBB as

00:39:27.320 the solution

00:39:28.040 to inflation.

00:39:29.500 So his

00:39:29.880 plan is

00:39:30.520 really just

00:39:31.020 to spend

00:39:31.720 more,

00:39:32.880 but he's

00:39:33.100 going to

00:39:33.440 recast

00:39:34.140 BBB as

00:39:35.100 inflation

00:39:35.980 solution in

00:39:36.900 the form

00:39:37.380 of,

00:39:37.860 you know,

00:39:38.560 taking care

00:39:39.280 of eliminating

00:39:40.360 barriers to

00:39:41.460 well-paying

00:39:42.500 jobs,

00:39:43.660 promoting

00:39:44.120 fair

00:39:44.640 competition,

00:39:46.320 helping

00:39:47.160 families,

00:39:48.600 and protecting

00:39:50.640 the Right to

00:39:51.220 Organize Act

00:39:52.380 and a bill

00:39:52.860 to raise

00:39:53.200 the minimum

00:39:53.560 wage to

00:39:54.000 $15 an

00:39:54.620 hour.

00:39:54.720 Spend,

00:39:55.440 spend,

00:39:55.740 spend,

00:39:56.040 spend,

00:39:56.340 spend,

00:39:56.600 and that

00:39:57.220 somehow is

00:39:57.720 going to

00:39:58.140 solve our

00:39:58.680 inflational

00:39:59.020 problems.

00:39:59.920 Right.

00:40:00.160 I think that's

00:40:01.140 an astute

00:40:01.500 observation,

00:40:02.400 Megan.

00:40:02.620 His policies

00:40:03.280 have been

00:40:03.680 so disastrous

00:40:05.080 and so deeply

00:40:06.020 unpopular

00:40:06.520 that he

00:40:07.200 couldn't even

00:40:07.820 convince his

00:40:08.420 own party

00:40:09.080 to go along

00:40:09.960 with his

00:40:10.340 budget.

00:40:10.840 He can't

00:40:11.060 even get

00:40:11.240 a budget

00:40:11.600 passed.

00:40:12.380 And so

00:40:12.700 his only

00:40:13.160 option is

00:40:14.240 to use

00:40:15.260 that to

00:40:16.060 some sort

00:40:16.980 of advantage.

00:40:17.680 He'll say,

00:40:18.220 well,

00:40:18.560 you know,

00:40:18.780 the reason

00:40:19.140 things aren't

00:40:19.800 perhaps as

00:40:20.460 good as they

00:40:20.880 could be right

00:40:21.400 now is because

00:40:22.400 I've been

00:40:22.760 stymied in

00:40:23.820 my plans,

00:40:24.500 which are

00:40:24.740 so wonderful

00:40:25.400 and so popular

00:40:26.340 that not even

00:40:27.080 Democrats want

00:40:27.800 to support

00:40:28.240 them.

00:40:28.840 And then he'll

00:40:29.460 hold out that

00:40:30.000 carrot for the

00:40:30.680 future.

00:40:31.440 I mean,

00:40:31.860 I don't think

00:40:32.560 it is a

00:40:33.120 hyper-partisan

00:40:34.360 exaggeration to

00:40:35.940 say that

00:40:36.260 everything the

00:40:36.900 man has

00:40:37.300 touched has

00:40:38.140 turned to

00:40:38.660 ash,

00:40:39.100 in some

00:40:39.480 cases,

00:40:40.000 literally.

00:40:40.820 So on

00:40:41.000 foreign policy,

00:40:41.940 obviously the

00:40:42.480 world has

00:40:42.880 fallen apart

00:40:43.560 because of

00:40:44.460 specific decisions

00:40:45.300 he made in

00:40:46.200 Afghanistan with

00:40:47.300 regard to Russia,

00:40:48.180 the Nord Stream 2

00:40:48.760 pipeline.

00:40:49.140 obviously we're

00:40:49.640 seeing that

00:40:50.000 play out in

00:40:50.760 Ukraine right

00:40:51.420 now on the

00:40:52.340 economy.

00:40:52.960 It's gone to

00:40:53.800 pot in terms of

00:40:55.600 inflation,

00:40:56.140 in terms of

00:40:56.560 energy,

00:40:57.100 the list goes

00:40:57.800 on and on

00:40:58.300 and on.

00:40:58.920 So his best

00:41:00.040 bet for the

00:41:00.720 State of the

00:41:01.140 Union is to

00:41:02.880 look toward the

00:41:03.700 future.

00:41:04.320 He can pump up

00:41:05.520 the new Supreme

00:41:06.200 Court nominee,

00:41:07.180 right?

00:41:07.320 That's something

00:41:07.780 that could seem

00:41:08.500 possibly positive

00:41:10.740 for him.

00:41:11.740 He can talk

00:41:12.860 about how he's

00:41:14.820 a wartime

00:41:15.260 president now and

00:41:16.240 how he's united

00:41:17.280 NATO.

00:41:17.740 He's united

00:41:18.340 NATO because of

00:41:19.060 a dereliction of

00:41:19.800 American leadership

00:41:20.620 that has basically

00:41:22.560 left Europe and

00:41:24.180 NATO on their

00:41:24.760 own.

00:41:25.260 So I guess in

00:41:26.340 that way it's

00:41:26.920 sort of damning

00:41:27.440 with faint praise,

00:41:28.300 but he can make

00:41:28.980 that claim.

00:41:30.040 And then you saw

00:41:30.600 last night this

00:41:31.240 last-ditch effort

00:41:32.180 by the Democrats

00:41:33.280 to do anything

00:41:34.820 and that was

00:41:35.900 them tilting at

00:41:37.160 windmills.

00:41:37.780 They passed a

00:41:38.460 law to criminalize

00:41:40.080 lynching.

00:41:41.340 Lynching, which

00:41:42.180 last time I checked

00:41:43.140 is already illegal.

00:41:44.400 It's been illegal

00:41:44.880 for a very long

00:41:45.520 time.

00:41:46.000 Hasn't been a

00:41:46.480 problem in America

00:41:47.220 for at least,

00:41:48.280 what, 70 years

00:41:49.140 now?

00:41:49.580 And so they're

00:41:50.160 tilting at

00:41:50.720 windmills and

00:41:51.840 imaginary problems.

00:41:53.000 Meanwhile, the

00:41:53.520 world burns.

00:41:55.020 They've got

00:41:55.340 massive problems.

00:41:56.400 I mean, the

00:41:56.720 polls, we as a

00:41:58.060 country have

00:41:58.460 massive problems,

00:41:59.100 but Joe Biden

00:41:59.800 and the Democrats

00:42:00.320 have massive

00:42:00.800 problems if you

00:42:01.340 look at the

00:42:01.680 latest polls.

00:42:03.020 Trying to pull

00:42:03.700 it up here.

00:42:04.320 It's 38%

00:42:05.900 approval.

00:42:06.460 That's his

00:42:06.820 latest numbers.

00:42:08.660 Just, okay,

00:42:09.200 here it is.

00:42:09.600 Yeah.

00:42:10.380 ABC News,

00:42:11.260 Washington Post

00:42:11.880 poll released

00:42:13.000 just this past

00:42:13.780 Saturday.

00:42:15.000 He's at a

00:42:15.520 career low of

00:42:16.180 37%.

00:42:17.000 Approval

00:42:18.260 Rating on

00:42:19.060 his job

00:42:19.420 performance

00:42:19.840 overall.

00:42:20.860 That includes

00:42:21.360 a 30%

00:42:23.180 approval rating

00:42:24.100 amongst

00:42:24.540 independents.

00:42:25.900 30.

00:42:26.780 I mean,

00:42:27.160 needless to say,

00:42:28.300 the Republicans

00:42:28.800 can't stand him.

00:42:29.540 He's got a 10%

00:42:30.600 approval rating

00:42:31.340 amongst

00:42:31.620 Republicans.

00:42:32.780 But 30%

00:42:33.780 approval amongst

00:42:35.320 independents does

00:42:36.000 not spell

00:42:36.380 re-election.

00:42:37.240 And it does not

00:42:37.920 spell good things

00:42:38.900 for the midterm

00:42:39.620 elections either.

00:42:40.880 He's not killing it

00:42:41.840 with his own

00:42:42.200 party either.

00:42:42.960 Even within the

00:42:43.700 Democratic Party,

00:42:44.820 nearly a quarter,

00:42:45.500 either disapprove

00:42:46.340 or 4% say

00:42:47.560 they are withholding

00:42:48.680 judgment.

00:42:50.220 For those who are

00:42:51.220 likely to vote,

00:42:52.040 actually say they're

00:42:52.980 certain to vote

00:42:53.580 in November,

00:42:54.400 there's a 54%

00:42:55.680 to 41%

00:42:56.760 gap

00:42:58.060 with respect

00:42:59.860 to who they

00:43:01.200 would choose,

00:43:01.880 Republicans over

00:43:02.780 Democrats.

00:43:03.160 So he's got a lot

00:43:04.840 of ground to make

00:43:05.700 up tonight

00:43:07.000 and in the next

00:43:07.780 eight months.

00:43:09.280 I mean,

00:43:09.760 I don't know

00:43:10.100 where he begins.

00:43:11.600 Well,

00:43:12.180 he has one

00:43:12.820 great advantage,

00:43:14.000 at least as

00:43:14.980 pertains to

00:43:16.420 the Democratic

00:43:17.160 nomination in

00:43:18.320 2020-24,

00:43:19.480 if he wants it.

00:43:20.940 And that great

00:43:21.480 advantage is

00:43:22.440 he's no less

00:43:24.260 popular than

00:43:25.020 anyone else who

00:43:25.720 could get the

00:43:26.160 nomination.

00:43:27.200 Incredibly,

00:43:27.880 Kamala Harris is

00:43:28.780 less popular

00:43:29.520 than he is.

00:43:30.660 The only person

00:43:31.580 who's even close

00:43:32.240 to him in his

00:43:32.820 administration

00:43:33.280 is Pete Buttigieg,

00:43:35.060 and Pete Buttigieg

00:43:35.620 has roughly the

00:43:36.440 same approval rating.

00:43:37.680 So I know that

00:43:38.780 Democrats keep

00:43:39.420 trying to make

00:43:39.920 Pete Buttigieg

00:43:40.540 happen,

00:43:41.120 just like mean

00:43:42.040 girls try to

00:43:42.740 make fetch

00:43:43.200 happen,

00:43:43.540 but it's not

00:43:44.000 going to happen.

00:43:44.960 And so Biden

00:43:45.560 is in a

00:43:46.720 relatively good

00:43:47.580 position with

00:43:49.000 regard to the

00:43:49.540 Democrat Party.

00:43:50.300 It reminds us,

00:43:50.980 too,

00:43:51.360 that Joe Biden

00:43:52.060 is not some

00:43:52.940 singular evil.

00:43:54.840 Actually,

00:43:55.360 Joe Biden's

00:43:55.940 selling point in

00:43:56.640 2020 is that

00:43:57.820 he's an empty

00:43:58.320 suit.

00:43:58.800 He's kind of

00:43:59.340 nothing.

00:44:00.000 He's just a

00:44:00.500 return to the

00:44:01.120 old establishment

00:44:01.840 normal.

00:44:02.620 The man wakes

00:44:03.160 up in the morning,

00:44:03.920 licks his index

00:44:04.540 finger,

00:44:04.940 puts it in the

00:44:05.360 air,

00:44:05.640 and figures out

00:44:06.380 which way the

00:44:06.840 wind is

00:44:07.220 blowing.

00:44:08.020 So as an

00:44:08.880 avatar for the

00:44:09.620 Democrat

00:44:09.980 establishment,

00:44:10.620 it means he's

00:44:12.040 only going to be

00:44:12.620 as popular or

00:44:13.360 unpopular as

00:44:14.360 the party

00:44:14.780 broadly.

00:44:15.400 And right now

00:44:15.840 the party is

00:44:16.760 really,

00:44:17.280 really unpopular,

00:44:18.100 puts him in a

00:44:18.540 terrible position

00:44:19.240 for 2024.

00:44:20.320 And there's

00:44:20.700 really no

00:44:21.200 alternative to

00:44:22.400 the man in

00:44:23.620 office right now.

00:44:24.660 You know,

00:44:25.000 it's I think a

00:44:25.600 lot of Republicans

00:44:26.160 said,

00:44:26.640 all right,

00:44:26.960 who voted for

00:44:27.640 Biden instead of

00:44:28.560 Trump 2.0

00:44:29.720 said,

00:44:30.560 OK,

00:44:31.560 I'll take the

00:44:32.100 empty suit,

00:44:32.880 you know,

00:44:33.120 over the

00:44:33.460 flamethrower.

00:44:34.040 I'll take the

00:44:34.540 empty suit.

00:44:35.000 I like small

00:44:35.740 government.

00:44:36.140 At least he

00:44:36.600 probably won't

00:44:37.300 do much.

00:44:37.880 Seems old.

00:44:38.600 Doesn't seem

00:44:39.000 inspired to be

00:44:39.600 like a huge

00:44:40.100 change agent.

00:44:41.260 Let's go that

00:44:41.820 way.

00:44:42.400 Now,

00:44:42.520 we know,

00:44:42.840 of course,

00:44:43.080 domestically,

00:44:43.500 he's gone an

00:44:44.000 entirely different

00:44:44.600 route.

00:44:44.940 And that's why,

00:44:45.600 in part,

00:44:45.860 we have such

00:44:46.340 huge inflation

00:44:46.940 problems.

00:44:48.360 And the

00:44:48.880 spending numbers

00:44:49.480 are just out of

00:44:50.060 control.

00:44:50.340 Although now he

00:44:50.980 apparently tonight

00:44:51.580 he says he's

00:44:52.200 going to work on

00:44:52.660 the deficit.

00:44:53.120 OK,

00:44:53.880 all right,

00:44:54.480 sure.

00:44:54.920 But with all

00:44:55.440 these spending

00:44:55.920 plans.

00:44:57.760 But you see

00:44:58.880 the dangers

00:44:59.320 of an empty

00:44:59.820 suit when you

00:45:00.620 get to a

00:45:01.240 foreign policy

00:45:01.780 crisis,

00:45:02.160 right?

00:45:02.600 I mean,

00:45:02.740 we just had

00:45:03.120 Gary Kasparov

00:45:03.760 talking about

00:45:04.340 how we are

00:45:05.740 leading from

00:45:06.620 behind again.

00:45:08.360 And that's in

00:45:08.700 part how we got

00:45:09.220 into this mess.

00:45:10.860 People forget

00:45:12.460 that Joe Biden

00:45:14.420 is responsible

00:45:15.460 for this crisis

00:45:16.300 in Ukraine.

00:45:17.160 You know,

00:45:17.400 I don't really

00:45:18.540 think this is

00:45:19.140 just a cheap

00:45:19.720 partisan shot.

00:45:21.040 We've been

00:45:21.640 calling this

00:45:22.220 out on the

00:45:22.720 conservative side

00:45:23.400 of the aisle

00:45:23.820 for months now.

00:45:25.320 Joe Biden

00:45:25.840 made very

00:45:26.580 specific decisions

00:45:27.780 that essentially

00:45:28.960 rolled out the

00:45:29.660 red carpet for

00:45:30.440 Vladimir Putin

00:45:31.080 to invade Ukraine.

00:45:32.380 Notably,

00:45:32.900 he took the

00:45:33.620 energy sanctions

00:45:34.780 off of Russia.

00:45:36.400 So Donald

00:45:37.540 Trump,

00:45:38.160 love him or

00:45:38.580 hate him,

00:45:39.180 the man was

00:45:39.680 actually pretty

00:45:40.400 tough on Russia,

00:45:41.400 contrary to what

00:45:42.080 we were told

00:45:42.880 by the left.

00:45:43.760 His rhetoric

00:45:44.440 was nice,

00:45:45.420 but his behavior

00:45:46.360 wasn't so nice.

00:45:48.120 Bingo.

00:45:48.700 It's those

00:45:49.080 policies.

00:45:49.720 And a lot

00:45:50.960 of it hinges

00:45:51.420 on this one

00:45:52.100 issue of the

00:45:52.620 Nord Stream 2

00:45:53.480 pipeline.

00:45:54.360 So Putin had

00:45:54.960 been trying to

00:45:55.560 build this

00:45:56.000 oil pipeline

00:45:56.700 so that he

00:45:57.440 could get out

00:45:58.180 of Ukraine,

00:45:59.140 sell his

00:45:59.620 energy straight

00:46:00.420 to Europe.

00:46:01.120 Then there is

00:46:01.800 no reason,

00:46:02.440 he's taken away

00:46:02.960 all the leverage

00:46:03.460 from Ukraine,

00:46:04.300 he can invade.

00:46:05.020 He has said

00:46:05.880 that the collapse

00:46:06.680 of the Soviet

00:46:07.180 Union was the

00:46:07.800 greatest geopolitical

00:46:08.780 catastrophe of

00:46:09.900 the 20th century.

00:46:11.100 He believes that

00:46:11.720 Ukraine has no

00:46:12.460 right to exist

00:46:13.020 as a sovereign

00:46:13.560 nation.

00:46:14.160 He has wanted

00:46:14.600 to conquer it

00:46:15.180 for a very

00:46:15.620 long time.

00:46:16.480 So a lot

00:46:16.980 of the leverage

00:46:17.600 that Ukraine

00:46:18.280 had to remain

00:46:18.900 a sovereign

00:46:19.300 nation was

00:46:20.460 this energy

00:46:21.180 issue.

00:46:21.820 What did

00:46:22.080 Biden do?

00:46:23.400 Biden lifted

00:46:24.080 the sanctions

00:46:24.620 on Nord Stream

00:46:25.220 Truet.

00:46:25.760 Biden gave

00:46:26.280 it the go

00:46:26.740 ahead.

00:46:27.500 There were

00:46:28.140 bipartisan

00:46:28.600 sanctions on

00:46:29.300 it before.

00:46:29.960 Biden comes

00:46:30.520 into office,

00:46:31.040 four days later

00:46:31.600 Putin starts

00:46:32.280 rebuilding the

00:46:33.340 pipeline.

00:46:34.140 So Biden

00:46:35.200 takes all the

00:46:35.880 pressure off

00:46:36.620 of Vladimir

00:46:36.980 Putin.

00:46:37.420 Then he

00:46:37.800 literally invited

00:46:38.960 him to

00:46:39.560 invade.

00:46:40.040 Biden was

00:46:40.520 asked,

00:46:41.120 what will

00:46:41.480 you do

00:46:41.900 if Vladimir

00:46:42.340 Putin

00:46:42.640 invades

00:46:42.980 Ukraine?

00:46:43.380 And he

00:46:43.560 says,

00:46:43.800 well,

00:46:44.120 as long as

00:46:44.760 it's just

00:46:45.120 a minor

00:46:45.540 incursion,

00:46:46.260 I suppose

00:46:46.680 that would be

00:46:47.180 just fine.

00:46:47.760 But he

00:46:48.240 better not

00:46:48.680 go further

00:46:49.220 as if to

00:46:49.860 say,

00:46:50.400 hey,

00:46:50.480 crocodile,

00:46:51.240 only eat

00:46:51.900 my little

00:46:52.280 pinky,

00:46:52.760 but you

00:46:53.120 better not

00:46:53.660 eat the

00:46:54.020 whole hand.

00:46:54.780 Don't you

00:46:55.200 do it.

00:46:55.700 Control your

00:46:56.100 appetite.

00:46:56.600 Of course,

00:46:56.860 that's not

00:46:57.200 going to

00:46:57.520 happen.

00:46:58.140 And so

00:46:58.360 now Biden

00:46:59.760 imposes

00:47:00.720 these toothless

00:47:02.140 sanctions on

00:47:02.920 Russia going

00:47:03.820 after every

00:47:04.600 Russian industry

00:47:05.340 except for

00:47:05.900 oil,

00:47:06.500 except for

00:47:06.840 energy,

00:47:07.240 the only

00:47:07.500 industry that

00:47:07.960 actually matters

00:47:08.620 in Russia.

00:47:09.420 So I guess

00:47:09.800 Russian

00:47:10.180 haberdashers

00:47:10.960 are going

00:47:11.180 to be in

00:47:11.440 trouble.

00:47:11.960 I guess

00:47:12.180 the people

00:47:12.540 who make

00:47:12.840 those little

00:47:13.220 dolls that

00:47:13.940 stack one

00:47:14.860 within the

00:47:15.340 other,

00:47:15.520 I guess

00:47:15.820 they're not

00:47:16.240 going to

00:47:16.380 be able

00:47:16.580 to sell

00:47:16.860 their goods.

00:47:17.500 But in

00:47:17.700 terms of

00:47:18.060 oil that

00:47:18.520 actually

00:47:18.920 enriches

00:47:19.360 Putin and

00:47:19.740 pays for

00:47:20.080 the invasion,

00:47:20.880 that's going

00:47:21.240 to be just

00:47:21.780 fine.

00:47:22.420 And so

00:47:23.180 what are you

00:47:23.760 going to

00:47:24.020 have?

00:47:24.200 You're going

00:47:24.420 to have

00:47:24.580 the most

00:47:26.200 significant

00:47:27.020 disruption

00:47:27.520 to the

00:47:28.260 post-war

00:47:29.020 political

00:47:29.840 world order

00:47:30.920 that we

00:47:31.860 have seen.

00:47:32.600 And that

00:47:32.800 is going

00:47:33.100 to be

00:47:33.480 when Putin

00:47:34.660 gobbles up

00:47:35.300 Ukraine,

00:47:35.820 which at

00:47:36.080 this point

00:47:36.480 unfortunately

00:47:37.080 seems

00:47:37.640 inevitable.

00:47:38.640 And what's

00:47:39.120 so tragic

00:47:39.740 about it

00:47:40.240 is it could

00:47:41.060 have been

00:47:41.380 prevented

00:47:41.800 with clearer

00:47:42.860 leadership,

00:47:43.660 better policy,

00:47:44.560 that

00:47:44.940 failure lies

00:47:45.520 at Joe

00:47:45.880 Biden's

00:47:46.260 feet.

00:47:47.200 Wow.

00:47:48.060 Just one

00:47:48.860 of the many

00:47:49.180 challenges

00:47:49.560 he's up

00:47:49.980 against.

00:47:50.400 We're going

00:47:50.620 to talk

00:47:50.840 about COVID

00:47:51.420 and the

00:47:52.240 lies we're

00:47:52.600 about to

00:47:52.900 be told

00:47:53.280 on his

00:47:53.920 success.

00:47:54.980 I'm sorry,

00:47:55.760 but that's

00:47:56.100 just the way

00:47:56.840 it's going

00:47:57.100 to be.

00:47:58.100 And whether

00:47:58.740 the American

00:47:59.600 people will

00:48:00.080 forget what's

00:48:01.040 been done

00:48:01.380 to us

00:48:01.840 right after

00:48:02.940 this.

00:48:03.180 Don't go

00:48:03.420 away.

00:48:08.800 Coming up,

00:48:09.620 we have an

00:48:10.180 exclusive interview

00:48:10.920 with a collegiate

00:48:11.800 swim coach

00:48:12.760 speaking out

00:48:14.040 on Leah

00:48:14.360 Thomas,

00:48:14.880 the transgender

00:48:15.780 swimmer

00:48:16.760 breaking records

00:48:17.500 is the first

00:48:18.080 time a

00:48:18.740 division one

00:48:19.660 swim coach

00:48:21.000 will be

00:48:22.020 speaking on

00:48:22.820 the record

00:48:23.180 on camera

00:48:23.780 about this.

00:48:24.960 We'll bring

00:48:25.160 that to you

00:48:25.560 shortly.

00:48:26.020 But first,

00:48:26.740 back with me

00:48:27.280 now,

00:48:27.560 Michael Knowles,

00:48:28.240 the one and

00:48:28.600 only host

00:48:29.240 of the Michael

00:48:29.960 Knowles show

00:48:30.660 for the Daily

00:48:31.120 Wire.

00:48:31.960 OK, so here's

00:48:32.640 the news on

00:48:33.700 tonight and

00:48:34.600 COVID,

00:48:35.180 according to

00:48:35.600 political,

00:48:36.060 Michael.

00:48:37.260 The headline

00:48:37.980 is Biden

00:48:38.660 wants to

00:48:39.220 declare a new

00:48:39.840 chapter in

00:48:40.480 the COVID

00:48:40.940 fight,

00:48:41.380 but he's

00:48:42.640 trigger shy.

00:48:43.980 He's shy.

00:48:45.080 He's afraid

00:48:45.700 of what

00:48:46.740 par for the

00:48:47.360 course.

00:48:48.100 He's expected

00:48:48.840 to stop

00:48:49.380 well short

00:48:50.340 of the

00:48:50.860 mission accomplished

00:48:51.680 moment on

00:48:52.460 COVID political

00:48:53.420 reports that

00:48:54.420 many members

00:48:54.920 of his own

00:48:55.340 party would

00:48:55.720 like to see

00:48:56.300 stressing

00:48:56.940 instead the

00:48:57.520 need to

00:48:57.860 remain vigilant,

00:48:58.860 remain vigilant

00:48:59.400 against the

00:48:59.860 virus.

00:49:01.020 And they

00:49:01.660 say if

00:49:02.060 you're if

00:49:02.760 you're waiting

00:49:03.240 to rip off

00:49:04.120 your masks,

00:49:05.120 this is not

00:49:06.180 that moment,

00:49:06.860 said one of

00:49:07.460 the people

00:49:07.780 familiar with

00:49:08.300 the planning.

00:49:08.900 By the way,

00:49:09.200 70 percent of

00:49:09.740 the country

00:49:10.060 is now

00:49:10.380 maskless,

00:49:10.960 so I'm

00:49:11.280 not sure

00:49:11.620 how that

00:49:11.960 can be

00:49:12.320 the message

00:49:13.040 tonight,

00:49:13.400 but he's

00:49:13.680 afraid,

00:49:14.180 which no

00:49:14.580 one's

00:49:14.780 surprised at.

00:49:15.740 A lot of

00:49:16.020 people thought

00:49:16.300 it was maybe

00:49:16.680 Jill Biden

00:49:17.300 really stoking

00:49:18.040 his fears

00:49:18.600 and making

00:49:19.040 him so

00:49:19.360 COVID crazy.

00:49:20.400 Who knows?

00:49:21.020 Doc,

00:49:21.280 excuse me,

00:49:21.960 Dr. Jill

00:49:22.420 Biden,

00:49:23.120 doctor.

00:49:24.180 I, too,

00:49:24.760 am a doctor.

00:49:25.460 I have a

00:49:25.960 curious doctor.

00:49:26.520 I'd like you

00:49:26.820 to refer to

00:49:27.440 me that way.

00:49:27.900 In fact,

00:49:28.160 I forget to

00:49:28.700 remind people.

00:49:29.920 In any event,

00:49:31.320 the Democrats

00:49:32.760 writ large are

00:49:33.700 preparing to

00:49:34.300 take a victory

00:49:34.800 lap on COVID

00:49:35.520 and have

00:49:35.940 completely

00:49:36.400 shifted their

00:49:36.920 messaging.

00:49:37.500 You tell me

00:49:38.060 whether it

00:49:38.520 is an

00:49:38.840 accident that

00:49:39.860 the day

00:49:40.360 before the

00:49:41.220 State of

00:49:41.520 the Union,

00:49:42.020 the CDC

00:49:42.720 finally comes

00:49:43.960 out and

00:49:44.380 says,

00:49:45.020 OK,

00:49:45.560 you can

00:49:45.960 take the

00:49:46.260 masks off

00:49:46.860 in 70 percent

00:49:47.800 of the

00:49:48.040 country with

00:49:48.900 Rochelle

00:49:49.460 Walensky

00:49:50.080 finally apparently

00:49:51.320 willing to

00:49:51.980 relinquish her

00:49:52.900 hold on us

00:49:53.520 saying we

00:49:54.600 want to give

00:49:55.140 people a break

00:49:55.980 from things

00:49:56.580 like mask

00:49:57.180 wearing when

00:49:57.880 levels are

00:49:58.460 low and

00:49:59.460 then have the

00:49:59.880 ability to

00:50:00.380 reach for

00:50:00.660 them again

00:50:01.200 should things

00:50:01.940 get worse

00:50:02.520 in the future.

00:50:04.320 Megan,

00:50:04.360 how dare

00:50:05.160 you question

00:50:05.940 the science?

00:50:06.860 Don't you

00:50:07.360 know that

00:50:08.320 the science

00:50:08.880 says that

00:50:09.540 the State

00:50:10.060 of the Union

00:50:10.640 is the

00:50:11.560 cure to

00:50:12.460 COVID,

00:50:13.000 that it

00:50:13.400 is the

00:50:13.800 political

00:50:14.120 science and

00:50:15.520 the medical

00:50:16.100 science follows

00:50:16.980 the political

00:50:17.460 science?

00:50:18.340 This has

00:50:18.780 always been

00:50:19.480 at the heart

00:50:20.420 of the COVID

00:50:21.060 issue is that

00:50:22.340 people like

00:50:22.860 Rochelle Walensky,

00:50:23.660 people like

00:50:24.040 the exalted

00:50:24.520 Dr. Fauci,

00:50:25.340 peace be upon

00:50:25.840 him,

00:50:26.300 people like

00:50:26.880 the other

00:50:27.560 public health

00:50:28.220 bureaucrats,

00:50:29.260 they have

00:50:29.540 pretended that

00:50:30.240 they are

00:50:30.580 merely clinical,

00:50:32.260 scientific,

00:50:33.480 scholarly,

00:50:33.880 sorts of

00:50:34.500 people when

00:50:35.200 in fact they

00:50:35.820 are political

00:50:36.380 apparatchiks.

00:50:37.320 They get their

00:50:37.900 paychecks from

00:50:38.640 the government,

00:50:39.720 they make

00:50:40.440 public policy

00:50:41.100 for 300

00:50:41.540 million people,

00:50:42.160 more than

00:50:42.420 300 million

00:50:42.880 people because

00:50:43.460 their policy

00:50:44.260 affects people

00:50:44.840 around the

00:50:45.320 world.

00:50:45.760 The masks

00:50:46.240 have always

00:50:46.960 been a

00:50:47.520 political

00:50:47.820 symbol.

00:50:49.000 Now at

00:50:49.500 least we're

00:50:50.280 allowed to

00:50:50.780 say that

00:50:51.680 the masks

00:50:52.240 are little

00:50:52.820 more than

00:50:53.300 facial

00:50:53.640 decorations.

00:50:54.580 Now that

00:50:54.760 Leanna

00:50:55.120 Nguyen,

00:50:55.840 the CNN

00:50:56.440 medical

00:50:56.860 analyst,

00:50:57.400 has admitted

00:50:57.740 that on

00:50:58.160 TV,

00:50:58.680 we previously

00:50:59.280 were not

00:50:59.800 allowed to

00:51:00.180 say that.

00:51:00.840 That would

00:51:01.120 have been

00:51:01.420 dangerous

00:51:01.900 misinformation.

00:51:02.580 But at

00:51:03.440 the heart

00:51:03.720 of this,

00:51:04.120 there has

00:51:04.380 always been

00:51:04.860 the capricious

00:51:05.520 and arbitrary

00:51:06.160 use of

00:51:07.180 power.

00:51:07.960 That capricious

00:51:08.640 use of

00:51:09.080 power,

00:51:09.860 the neurotic

00:51:10.900 symbolism of

00:51:12.060 the masks

00:51:12.560 and all the

00:51:12.960 rest of it,

00:51:13.620 had previously

00:51:14.260 served the

00:51:15.220 Democrats'

00:51:15.840 political

00:51:16.120 interests.

00:51:16.620 It gave

00:51:16.820 them a lot

00:51:17.160 more power,

00:51:17.760 particularly

00:51:18.080 during 2020

00:51:19.000 and in the

00:51:19.740 lead up to

00:51:20.080 that election.

00:51:20.580 It's no

00:51:21.220 longer serving

00:51:22.080 their political

00:51:22.840 interests and

00:51:23.460 so they're

00:51:24.160 itching to

00:51:24.660 get rid of

00:51:25.140 it.

00:51:25.520 As we were

00:51:26.080 discussing

00:51:26.480 earlier,

00:51:27.340 Joe Biden

00:51:27.920 does not

00:51:28.460 have a single

00:51:29.000 accomplishment,

00:51:29.600 not a single

00:51:30.520 one for his

00:51:31.100 entire presidency.

00:51:32.700 Everything has

00:51:33.440 gone to pot

00:51:33.960 on foreign

00:51:34.360 policy,

00:51:35.100 on domestic

00:51:35.540 policy.

00:51:36.000 The man

00:51:36.220 can't even

00:51:36.680 pass a

00:51:37.080 budget.

00:51:37.680 So he

00:51:37.920 needs some

00:51:38.360 sort of

00:51:38.700 win.

00:51:38.980 I think

00:51:39.240 he's going

00:51:39.540 to try

00:51:39.820 to get

00:51:40.080 that win

00:51:40.580 tonight in

00:51:41.460 a maskless

00:51:42.260 sort of

00:51:42.580 state of

00:51:42.940 the union.

00:51:43.760 But as

00:51:44.140 you can

00:51:44.460 tell,

00:51:45.060 they're

00:51:45.260 vacillating.

00:51:46.360 They go

00:51:46.560 back and

00:51:47.040 forth because

00:51:47.700 the COVID

00:51:48.600 lockdown gave

00:51:49.360 them so

00:51:50.060 much power.

00:51:52.060 Even when

00:51:52.820 they were

00:51:53.100 pushed at

00:51:53.560 the extremes,

00:51:54.520 the Supreme

00:51:54.900 Court,

00:51:55.240 for instance,

00:51:55.880 shut down

00:51:56.360 the OSHA

00:51:56.960 private employer

00:51:58.460 mandate,

00:51:58.960 but they

00:51:59.520 took much

00:52:00.160 more power

00:52:00.580 on the

00:52:00.780 healthcare

00:52:00.980 workers,

00:52:01.780 on government

00:52:02.140 contractors,

00:52:03.120 on the way

00:52:03.580 we live

00:52:03.880 our lives.

00:52:04.480 And so

00:52:04.720 they don't

00:52:05.280 want to

00:52:05.560 give it

00:52:05.840 up entirely

00:52:06.900 and they're

00:52:07.340 trying to

00:52:07.900 have their

00:52:08.260 cake and

00:52:08.960 eat it

00:52:09.300 too.

00:52:09.600 And like

00:52:09.820 most things

00:52:10.340 this

00:52:10.500 administration

00:52:10.880 does,

00:52:11.680 it's just

00:52:12.220 probably not

00:52:12.640 going to

00:52:12.840 work.

00:52:13.640 You know,

00:52:14.100 today for

00:52:14.620 the first

00:52:14.980 time in

00:52:16.060 two years,

00:52:18.360 I sent

00:52:18.980 my children

00:52:19.500 off to

00:52:20.000 school without

00:52:20.600 masks.

00:52:21.660 Two years.

00:52:22.880 My eight-year-old

00:52:23.820 son was in

00:52:25.300 kindergarten when

00:52:27.240 they had to

00:52:27.780 mask up.

00:52:28.380 Now he's in

00:52:29.060 second grade

00:52:29.760 and I

00:52:30.840 resent these

00:52:32.020 people.

00:52:32.400 I do not

00:52:33.520 accept Rochelle

00:52:34.540 Walensky and

00:52:35.200 then have the

00:52:35.680 ability to reach

00:52:36.500 for them again.

00:52:37.620 Keep your

00:52:38.160 hands off of

00:52:39.080 me and keep

00:52:40.080 them off of

00:52:40.760 my child's

00:52:41.720 face.

00:52:42.560 No one's

00:52:42.940 listening to

00:52:43.520 you anymore.

00:52:44.100 You are a

00:52:44.740 political operative.

00:52:45.540 You made that

00:52:46.160 clear so many

00:52:47.640 times.

00:52:48.080 One that comes

00:52:48.820 to mind is

00:52:49.220 when you

00:52:49.520 refuse to

00:52:50.140 condemn

00:52:50.440 Sonia Sotomayor,

00:52:51.940 a left-leaning

00:52:52.720 liberal jurist on

00:52:53.920 the Supreme

00:52:54.260 Court,

00:52:54.940 for grossly

00:52:55.580 overstating the

00:52:56.520 number of

00:52:56.920 children who

00:52:57.400 were in the

00:52:58.780 hospital at

00:52:59.180 the moment

00:52:59.500 thanks to

00:53:00.160 COVID,

00:53:00.640 suggesting it

00:53:01.580 was 100,000.

00:53:02.660 It was an

00:53:03.200 absurd

00:53:03.700 misstatement of

00:53:05.380 fact, and you

00:53:06.320 refused to even

00:53:07.340 correct her because

00:53:08.640 you're a partisan

00:53:09.960 hack.

00:53:11.180 But here's what's

00:53:11.900 happening, Michael.

00:53:12.520 Now we're going

00:53:13.020 into tonight in

00:53:14.320 advance of the

00:53:14.780 State of the

00:53:15.100 Union.

00:53:15.820 Finally, even

00:53:17.140 New York State,

00:53:18.840 even California,

00:53:20.460 are getting rid of

00:53:21.260 their indoor mask

00:53:22.040 mandates, including

00:53:22.840 in schools.

00:53:24.340 I mean, it's like

00:53:24.960 they've been

00:53:25.480 holding on to

00:53:26.180 that with their

00:53:26.700 cold, dead

00:53:27.440 hands.

00:53:28.300 The House has

00:53:29.620 dropped its

00:53:30.820 masking requirement.

00:53:31.940 The White House

00:53:32.800 has dropped its

00:53:34.000 masking requirement.

00:53:35.480 All of this

00:53:35.880 begins on March

00:53:36.500 1st, day of the

00:53:37.100 State of the

00:53:37.400 Union today.

00:53:38.380 California,

00:53:39.240 Oregon,

00:53:39.860 Washington, all

00:53:41.060 ending school

00:53:41.800 mask mandates as

00:53:43.280 of March 12th,

00:53:44.620 trying to create

00:53:45.720 this illusion that

00:53:47.360 he can have a

00:53:48.640 spike the ball in

00:53:49.280 the end zone

00:53:49.720 moment.

00:53:51.080 He is trying to.

00:53:52.320 Unfortunately,

00:53:52.940 though, Joe Biden

00:53:53.880 has a habit of

00:53:54.700 putting his foot in

00:53:55.340 his mouth, and he

00:53:56.280 already admitted a

00:53:57.100 few months ago that

00:53:58.140 there is no federal

00:53:59.160 solution on COVID.

00:54:00.620 Do you remember?

00:54:01.300 He started his

00:54:01.880 campaign.

00:54:02.300 He said, I'm not

00:54:03.120 going to shut down

00:54:03.700 the country.

00:54:04.400 I'm going to shut

00:54:05.100 down the virus.

00:54:05.900 And then what did

00:54:06.500 he do?

00:54:06.860 He shut down the

00:54:07.680 country, and then he

00:54:08.480 admitted that there

00:54:09.080 was no way for him

00:54:09.760 to shut down the

00:54:10.420 virus.

00:54:11.120 So I think that

00:54:12.100 people have woken

00:54:12.900 up to this.

00:54:13.820 I don't think that

00:54:14.400 the Democrats are

00:54:15.640 exactly in control of

00:54:16.960 this narrative anymore.

00:54:18.240 You mentioned,

00:54:18.840 Megan, it's been

00:54:19.340 two years,

00:54:19.920 two long years of

00:54:21.260 15 days to slow

00:54:22.380 the spread, which

00:54:23.360 was initially to

00:54:24.040 slow the spread,

00:54:24.820 then flatten the

00:54:25.740 curve, then find a

00:54:27.040 cure, then take the

00:54:28.360 jab, then stop the

00:54:29.620 surge, because there

00:54:30.500 was a surge again

00:54:31.220 because the jab

00:54:31.800 didn't do everything

00:54:32.500 we were told the

00:54:33.120 jab would do, then

00:54:34.380 slow down, and then

00:54:35.860 just keep going on

00:54:37.380 and on and on.

00:54:38.880 We were told that

00:54:39.720 the vaccines would

00:54:40.480 stop infection and

00:54:41.500 transmission.

00:54:42.120 That turned out

00:54:42.540 not to be true.

00:54:43.260 Then the story

00:54:43.720 changed to the

00:54:44.540 vaccines are going

00:54:45.220 to minimize

00:54:45.600 hospitalization and

00:54:47.000 death.

00:54:47.320 Perhaps they did.

00:54:48.080 We were told that

00:54:49.060 two would be

00:54:49.520 sufficient, then

00:54:50.220 three, then four.

00:54:51.320 We were told we had

00:54:51.940 to jab the kids, even

00:54:52.940 though the kids are at

00:54:53.560 low risk of the virus.

00:54:54.800 Now we find out five

00:54:55.620 to 11-year-olds basically

00:54:57.200 do not have much

00:54:59.500 protection from the

00:55:00.760 coronavirus vaccines.

00:55:02.220 Then we were told we

00:55:02.960 had to mask to protect

00:55:03.700 other people, then to

00:55:04.520 protect ourselves, and

00:55:05.300 then they've just

00:55:06.220 totally lost the

00:55:07.360 narrative.

00:55:07.820 And so I think for

00:55:08.740 them it's probably best

00:55:09.880 to cut their losses and

00:55:11.160 move on to the next

00:55:12.000 contrived crisis.

00:55:12.880 But people are angry.

00:55:15.200 I am still angry over

00:55:16.820 what was done to my

00:55:17.660 kids, never mind me.

00:55:18.680 If I didn't have kids,

00:55:19.440 I'd be sitting here

00:55:20.220 mad about what

00:55:20.740 happened to me and

00:55:21.300 other people's kids.

00:55:22.420 But we chose the

00:55:23.680 most vulnerable, the

00:55:24.700 little ones and the

00:55:26.020 working class people,

00:55:26.900 you know, the waiters

00:55:27.440 and the waitresses of

00:55:28.160 the world, and people

00:55:29.280 who couldn't object and

00:55:30.120 said you will wear

00:55:30.780 them.

00:55:31.020 In fact, they're still

00:55:31.640 wearing them in so

00:55:32.340 many places.

00:55:33.620 And I do think that

00:55:34.660 there's still going to

00:55:35.380 be accountability for

00:55:36.300 this because real

00:55:38.880 damage was done.

00:55:39.960 There was a memo

00:55:40.840 within the DCCC,

00:55:41.920 trying to warn, you

00:55:44.220 know, sort of the

00:55:44.900 the Democrats about

00:55:46.280 the pending election

00:55:47.240 losses they're likely

00:55:48.000 to face.

00:55:49.360 This one actually came

00:55:50.580 from a research group

00:55:51.440 that works for the

00:55:52.100 Democrats, and they

00:55:53.220 said two thirds of

00:55:55.200 parents and 80% of

00:55:56.280 teachers say the

00:55:56.960 pandemic caused

00:55:58.080 learning loss and

00:56:00.040 voters are

00:56:00.460 overwhelmingly more

00:56:01.340 worried about learning

00:56:02.100 loss than kids

00:56:03.260 getting COVID.

00:56:04.240 Yes, you can't fix

00:56:05.700 that with one victory

00:56:07.900 declaration or something

00:56:09.160 short thereof at a

00:56:10.320 state of the union.

00:56:11.920 What you've really

00:56:13.220 hit on here, Megan,

00:56:14.460 is the one

00:56:15.520 calculation, the

00:56:16.660 political calculation

00:56:17.420 that I think the

00:56:18.000 Democrats didn't make,

00:56:19.260 which is that the

00:56:20.360 entire COVID

00:56:21.760 narrative gave them

00:56:23.420 a lot of political

00:56:24.240 power.

00:56:25.260 It allowed them to

00:56:26.040 say that the

00:56:27.300 Republicans are

00:56:27.920 murderers and

00:56:28.620 they're killers and

00:56:29.440 they're traitors and

00:56:30.520 they're insurrectionists

00:56:31.380 and they're probably

00:56:32.240 racist too.

00:56:33.060 Why?

00:56:33.380 I don't know because

00:56:33.980 that's what we always

00:56:34.720 say.

00:56:35.420 And that is the

00:56:36.720 regular old playbook

00:56:37.700 and it was working

00:56:38.260 just fine.

00:56:39.000 What they didn't

00:56:39.540 count on was the

00:56:40.420 parents.

00:56:40.840 It's in particular

00:56:41.580 because the

00:56:42.960 Democrats are in the

00:56:44.180 pocket of the

00:56:44.700 teacher unions.

00:56:45.460 That's a very

00:56:45.860 important constituency.

00:56:47.220 And so that kept

00:56:47.800 the school shut down.

00:56:48.680 It kept the masks on

00:56:49.720 the poor little kids

00:56:50.500 who had no need to

00:56:51.440 wear them.

00:56:51.940 It kept all of these

00:56:52.740 things in place that

00:56:53.760 were driving the

00:56:54.640 parents crazy.

00:56:55.980 And parents cut

00:56:57.300 across ideological

00:56:58.440 groups, partisan

00:56:59.760 groups, racial

00:57:00.660 groups, geographic

00:57:01.480 groups.

00:57:02.040 You saw that start to

00:57:02.940 spring up in the

00:57:03.660 election for the

00:57:04.720 governor of Virginia

00:57:05.620 where Glenn Youngkin

00:57:06.540 beat Terry McAuliffe.

00:57:08.140 He won that not

00:57:08.920 because he was a

00:57:09.540 regular old chamber

00:57:10.260 of commerce

00:57:10.720 Republican.

00:57:11.580 He won it running

00:57:12.340 on the parents

00:57:13.040 movement.

00:57:13.760 That parents

00:57:14.220 movement shows no

00:57:15.300 sign of stopping.

00:57:16.940 And it plays into

00:57:18.220 what's going on with

00:57:19.060 COVID.

00:57:19.580 It plays into the

00:57:20.480 Democrats radicalism

00:57:21.560 on critical race

00:57:22.720 theory, on the

00:57:23.500 Democrats radicalism

00:57:24.440 on radical gender

00:57:26.100 theories.

00:57:27.160 This was another

00:57:28.000 side effect of the

00:57:29.020 COVID regime is that

00:57:30.240 when you lock the

00:57:30.820 students down,

00:57:31.400 especially for remote

00:57:32.220 learning, all of a

00:57:33.380 sudden the parents

00:57:34.200 are going to see

00:57:34.740 what's going on in

00:57:35.500 those schools.

00:57:36.280 The parents have not

00:57:36.960 liked what they've

00:57:37.660 seen and it has not

00:57:38.660 voted well for

00:57:39.240 Democrats.

00:57:40.360 Yes.

00:57:40.940 So two things

00:57:41.680 coming out that

00:57:42.600 people should keep

00:57:43.460 in mind as they

00:57:43.920 listen to Joe Biden

00:57:44.660 tonight.

00:57:45.260 One, I mentioned

00:57:46.040 a D triple C

00:57:46.960 research, which I'll

00:57:47.800 get to in a second.

00:57:48.400 And then this other

00:57:49.120 research memo by

00:57:49.840 Impact Research

00:57:50.640 sending out like the

00:57:52.600 notice to Democrats

00:57:53.740 on how to improve

00:57:54.580 their standing months

00:57:55.980 ahead of the

00:57:56.700 midterm elections.

00:57:57.420 And the latter

00:57:58.180 focuses on COVID

00:57:59.460 strategic thoughts

00:58:00.440 for Democrats

00:58:00.960 positioning themselves

00:58:01.780 on COVID-19

00:58:02.520 after nearly two

00:58:03.280 years of the

00:58:03.620 pandemic.

00:58:04.560 Number one,

00:58:05.380 declare this crisis

00:58:06.380 phase of COVID

00:58:07.040 over, push for

00:58:08.180 feeling and acting

00:58:09.140 more normal.

00:58:10.580 Thanks to Democrats,

00:58:11.440 we're nowhere near

00:58:12.060 where we were two

00:58:12.660 years ago or even

00:58:13.320 one year ago and

00:58:13.960 they go on from

00:58:14.380 there.

00:58:14.800 But listen to this,

00:58:15.720 recognize that people

00:58:16.560 are worn out and

00:58:17.380 feeling real harm from

00:58:18.340 the years long

00:58:19.000 restrictions and take

00:58:20.420 their side.

00:58:21.720 Six in ten Americans

00:58:22.460 describe themselves as

00:58:23.400 worn out by the

00:58:23.940 pandemic.

00:58:24.420 The more we talk

00:58:25.080 about the threat of

00:58:25.660 COVID and onerously

00:58:27.060 restrict people's

00:58:27.860 lives because of it,

00:58:28.720 the more we turn them

00:58:29.740 against us and show

00:58:30.940 them that we're out of

00:58:31.800 touch with their

00:58:32.980 daily realities.

00:58:34.400 Stop talking about

00:58:35.880 restrictions and the

00:58:37.520 unknown future ahead.

00:58:39.640 When ninety nine

00:58:40.580 percent of Americans

00:58:41.260 can get vaccinated,

00:58:42.240 we cause more harm

00:58:43.300 than we prevent with

00:58:44.380 voters.

00:58:44.740 But going into our

00:58:45.760 third year talking

00:58:46.760 about restrictions,

00:58:47.960 this is all political.

00:58:50.380 I don't know what

00:58:51.080 they believe.

00:58:51.780 They've been so

00:58:52.320 paranoid for two

00:58:53.100 years.

00:58:53.400 I believe they

00:58:54.020 probably are still as

00:58:54.840 paranoid as Joe

00:58:55.520 Biden and Joe Biden

00:58:56.360 are, but they've

00:58:57.360 just decided to

00:58:58.060 totally change the

00:58:58.800 messaging because they

00:59:00.180 realize it's going to

00:59:01.200 be a bloodbath in

00:59:02.280 November.

00:59:03.500 Yes, my strategic

00:59:04.300 advice for the

00:59:05.020 Democrats would be

00:59:06.000 to duck and cover

00:59:06.980 because I think

00:59:08.240 that's going to be

00:59:09.020 about as effective

00:59:09.840 in November as it

00:59:11.080 would be during

00:59:11.600 nuclear fallout.

00:59:11.700 Given everything

00:59:12.180 going on in the

00:59:13.360 world right now,

00:59:14.020 right?

00:59:15.140 You're too young

00:59:15.880 to know this,

00:59:16.340 but back in the

00:59:16.820 70s when I was a

00:59:17.980 kid, we were still

00:59:18.500 in the middle of

00:59:18.820 the Cold War.

00:59:19.440 We had to do

00:59:19.880 those.

00:59:20.620 I actually did

00:59:21.580 duck and cover

00:59:22.320 drills where you

00:59:23.040 have to duck and

00:59:24.060 cover under your

00:59:24.640 desk because there

00:59:25.400 might be a nuclear

00:59:25.940 bomb coming your way.

00:59:27.600 The modern equivalent

00:59:28.460 is the masks.

00:59:29.540 That's right.

00:59:30.040 There's a similar

00:59:31.340 efficacy, I think.

00:59:32.800 That's exactly right.

00:59:35.240 OK, so that was

00:59:36.120 that one.

00:59:36.400 But to your point

00:59:37.040 about critical race

00:59:38.080 theory and so on,

00:59:39.160 the other thing that

00:59:39.780 came out was that

00:59:40.280 D triple C memo.

00:59:41.240 And here is the

00:59:42.480 Democrats warning

00:59:43.280 their own party that

00:59:44.780 the voters in swing

00:59:45.660 districts think the

00:59:46.500 party is preachy,

00:59:48.460 judgmental and

00:59:49.760 focused on culture

00:59:50.860 wars.

00:59:51.320 And in particular,

00:59:53.120 what they said was,

00:59:54.480 OK, for example,

00:59:56.260 Democrats recognizing

00:59:57.480 here that voters do

00:59:59.340 not support defunding

01:00:00.580 the police.

01:00:01.900 And the response to

01:00:02.940 their members is you

01:00:03.960 should respond by

01:00:05.500 reiterating your

01:00:06.420 support for law

01:00:07.640 enforcement.

01:00:08.580 OK, like today,

01:00:10.380 because like yesterday

01:00:11.680 and the day before and

01:00:12.620 all the days where it

01:00:13.240 mattered, you were on

01:00:14.360 exactly the opposite

01:00:15.200 side.

01:00:16.160 OK, then it goes on.

01:00:16.960 When facing an attack

01:00:18.080 on the illegal

01:00:19.060 immigration crisis,

01:00:20.720 Democrats should

01:00:21.480 deny that they

01:00:23.100 support an open

01:00:24.340 border or amnesty

01:00:26.000 and instead talk

01:00:26.940 about their efforts to

01:00:27.900 keep the southern

01:00:28.520 border safe.

01:00:29.920 OK, so you're

01:00:31.500 going to lie like

01:00:32.760 you're just going to

01:00:33.560 deny your what

01:00:34.720 your policies are and

01:00:35.980 hope people don't go

01:00:37.120 ahead and investigate

01:00:38.320 it.

01:00:38.700 And the same way

01:00:39.560 they've been doing on

01:00:40.240 CRT, just it's not

01:00:41.600 happening.

01:00:42.620 And if you object to

01:00:43.360 CRT in the schools,

01:00:44.220 which is just a catch

01:00:45.000 all term for this

01:00:45.700 race essentialism that

01:00:46.760 they're teaching, then

01:00:48.680 you're racist.

01:00:50.220 And, you know, all they

01:00:51.380 really want to do is

01:00:51.960 teach history.

01:00:52.740 And I've said before,

01:00:53.940 I it's not about CRT.

01:00:55.940 I don't care what you

01:00:56.480 call it.

01:00:56.940 All I know is in my

01:00:58.460 children's school, they

01:00:59.300 wanted to teach that in

01:01:00.220 every child where a

01:01:01.780 white children learns

01:01:02.880 there is a future

01:01:04.040 killer cop.

01:01:05.040 You can call that

01:01:05.860 whatever the hell you

01:01:06.560 want.

01:01:07.260 Stop teaching it.

01:01:09.020 Right.

01:01:10.040 Right.

01:01:10.440 The Democrats,

01:01:12.020 on here are probably

01:01:13.360 best served by, as

01:01:14.780 you say, speaking out

01:01:15.660 of both sides of

01:01:16.260 their mouths and just

01:01:17.720 denying what they

01:01:18.460 really believe.

01:01:19.220 You saw this with

01:01:20.080 Senator Casey Jr.,

01:01:22.820 Bob Casey Jr., who

01:01:24.260 said that he is

01:01:25.900 personally pro-life,

01:01:27.860 but politically he's

01:01:29.440 pro-choice, which is

01:01:30.460 a meaningless phrase.

01:01:31.520 It was popularized by

01:01:32.720 Mario Cuomo when he

01:01:34.080 was governor of New

01:01:34.860 York.

01:01:35.260 And it's a way of

01:01:36.120 trying to hold both

01:01:36.900 sides of the issue

01:01:38.080 because unfortunately

01:01:39.800 the, the actual

01:01:42.000 views of, of

01:01:42.940 Democrats right now

01:01:43.780 are not popular.

01:01:45.080 Not, not a single

01:01:45.740 one of them is

01:01:46.360 particularly popular

01:01:47.320 with the American

01:01:48.000 people.

01:01:48.540 And so instead of

01:01:50.360 just lying about it

01:01:51.400 or, or downplaying

01:01:53.020 it or speaking out of

01:01:53.640 both sides of their

01:01:54.140 mouths, they've gotten

01:01:55.040 a little prideful.

01:01:56.100 They seem to think

01:01:56.760 that they're firmly

01:01:57.600 ensconced in power.

01:01:59.080 They're the ruling

01:01:59.720 elite.

01:02:00.140 They have the right

01:02:00.660 to rule and the

01:02:01.440 people don't really

01:02:02.080 have anything to say

01:02:02.860 about it because the

01:02:03.460 people are deplorable

01:02:04.320 and irredeemable.

01:02:05.720 What, what they have

01:02:06.480 lost is the common

01:02:08.000 sense.

01:02:08.700 There was a brilliant

01:02:09.540 leftist theorist, I

01:02:10.500 think a couple of

01:02:11.180 times ago on your

01:02:11.840 show, Megan, I

01:02:12.720 mentioned him.

01:02:13.580 Antonio Gramsci is

01:02:14.740 probably the most

01:02:15.160 important leftist

01:02:16.420 intellectual cultural

01:02:17.400 thinker of the

01:02:18.360 20th century.

01:02:19.440 And Gramsci pointed

01:02:20.340 out that you can't

01:02:21.860 win a political

01:02:22.460 movement if you lose

01:02:23.540 the common sense.

01:02:24.740 For a long time, the

01:02:25.820 Democrats positioned

01:02:26.720 themselves as the

01:02:27.900 party of the

01:02:28.820 common sense.

01:02:29.660 Those crazy

01:02:30.380 Republicans, they

01:02:31.920 wanted to deregulate

01:02:32.860 everything and let

01:02:33.840 billionaire robber

01:02:34.700 barons get away

01:02:35.360 with what they wanted

01:02:36.060 and they were going

01:02:36.800 off on crazy

01:02:37.560 religious crusades

01:02:38.800 and they wanted to

01:02:39.220 bomb the Middle

01:02:39.740 East and wow, boy,

01:02:40.500 weren't they crazy?

01:02:41.240 We're the party of the

01:02:41.900 working class and the

01:02:42.680 common sense.

01:02:43.540 Now they've lost that.

01:02:44.780 They are, now they are

01:02:45.580 the party of the

01:02:46.620 global elite that

01:02:47.380 doesn't care very much

01:02:48.200 about America, that

01:02:49.280 defunds the cops, that

01:02:51.260 gets rid of our

01:02:51.880 borders, that lets

01:02:52.580 crime run wild, that

01:02:53.920 has all these crazy

01:02:54.660 theories.

01:02:55.240 The GOP has become

01:02:56.120 much more the party of

01:02:57.700 the working class, of

01:02:58.800 the ordinary American.

01:03:00.040 That's a huge problem

01:03:01.220 for Democrats.

01:03:02.280 It is a result of

01:03:03.300 their pride, but pride

01:03:04.620 goes before destruction

01:03:05.700 and a haughty spirit

01:03:06.860 before a fall.

01:03:08.840 You know, that's a

01:03:09.740 good point about the

01:03:10.320 working class because

01:03:11.300 what we're seeing now

01:03:13.020 is they know it.

01:03:14.220 Like, the Democrats

01:03:15.160 know they're starting

01:03:15.760 to lose the working

01:03:16.420 class vote to

01:03:17.880 Republicans and not

01:03:19.060 just while Trump is

01:03:20.240 president because

01:03:20.820 Biden's president now

01:03:21.740 and it's still

01:03:22.200 happening.

01:03:22.680 Just today there was

01:03:23.220 an article talking

01:03:24.560 about, it was in the

01:03:25.260 New York Times,

01:03:25.880 actually not today,

01:03:26.540 but within the past

01:03:27.480 week, talking about

01:03:28.400 this Texas border town

01:03:29.500 where all these

01:03:30.580 Democrat officials are

01:03:31.400 officially becoming

01:03:32.640 Republicans.

01:03:34.860 There are, this is a

01:03:36.620 working class border

01:03:37.260 community, fewer than

01:03:38.120 1,000 people, and

01:03:39.920 conservative Hispanics

01:03:41.300 are not only realigning

01:03:42.240 in presidential elections,

01:03:43.280 they write, but also in

01:03:44.160 contests much closer to

01:03:45.180 home, the Democratic

01:03:46.380 County judge saying she

01:03:47.740 will seek another term

01:03:48.560 as a Republican, the

01:03:49.980 county clerk, the

01:03:50.900 treasurer deciding they

01:03:51.960 too would abandon the

01:03:53.460 Democratic Party, which

01:03:54.980 has long held sway in

01:03:56.060 local elections and run

01:03:57.320 as Republicans, a

01:03:58.820 county justice of the

01:03:59.700 peace felt the urge to

01:04:00.640 switch parties as well.

01:04:02.400 And on and on it goes

01:04:03.680 because the working

01:04:05.620 class gets it.

01:04:07.040 And Joe Biden going

01:04:07.940 out there tonight and

01:04:08.760 talking about strengthening

01:04:10.040 the ability to unionize

01:04:12.060 and demanding a $15

01:04:13.560 minimum wage, which I

01:04:15.380 believe working class

01:04:16.320 people understand

01:04:17.300 ultimately hurts them

01:04:18.580 more than helps them

01:04:19.580 because it costs jobs.

01:04:21.560 The few who can remain

01:04:22.920 at said companies may

01:04:24.000 have an increase in pay.

01:04:25.240 Maybe, maybe not, but

01:04:26.780 it costs jobs.

01:04:27.880 It will eliminate head

01:04:29.200 count at most of these

01:04:30.540 firms.

01:04:31.160 They get it.

01:04:31.960 And I think these

01:04:32.540 paltry measures are not

01:04:33.800 the solution for the

01:04:34.640 Dems.

01:04:35.640 You know, immigration is

01:04:37.180 a big issue as well.

01:04:38.720 This is one area where

01:04:39.840 Bernie Sanders has had a

01:04:41.060 really good political gut

01:04:42.260 his entire career.

01:04:43.560 And Bernie Sanders

01:04:44.280 representing much more of

01:04:45.540 that old left working

01:04:47.300 class solidarity.

01:04:48.380 He doesn't really venture

01:04:49.400 into the racial and sexual

01:04:51.040 culture wars all that

01:04:52.520 often.

01:04:53.100 The establishment

01:04:53.860 Democrats have totally

01:04:54.920 lost sight of that.

01:04:55.740 You've got elites in the

01:04:57.100 Democratic Party and many

01:04:58.400 in the Republican Party

01:04:59.320 too, who have pushed

01:05:00.400 open borders policies for

01:05:01.840 a long time.

01:05:02.500 The Democrats because

01:05:03.420 they believe that it gives

01:05:04.620 them an electoral

01:05:05.180 advantage, and it does.

01:05:06.720 And the Republicans because

01:05:07.940 they can get cheap labor

01:05:09.060 that way.

01:05:10.040 But the people who are

01:05:11.100 lost here are the

01:05:12.120 working class of all

01:05:13.120 races, of all ethnic and

01:05:14.400 national backgrounds for

01:05:15.440 that matter.

01:05:16.180 And I think they've woken

01:05:17.000 up to that a little bit.

01:05:18.400 So if the Democrats really

01:05:19.640 want to help the working

01:05:20.960 class, they should probably

01:05:22.040 stop flooding the country

01:05:23.320 with cheap labor that

01:05:24.520 drives their wages down.

01:05:26.000 I think also you're going

01:05:27.360 to see Republicans running

01:05:28.400 on the fact that during

01:05:29.620 the brief Trump presidency,

01:05:31.660 you saw real wage growth

01:05:33.660 for the first time in

01:05:35.020 decades.

01:05:35.500 And that has now gone

01:05:37.040 away.

01:05:37.440 And you're seeing a return

01:05:38.500 to the regular decline of

01:05:40.280 wages and purchasing power.

01:05:41.680 And especially with the

01:05:42.880 skyrocketing Biden

01:05:43.900 inflation, that's a big

01:05:45.180 problem.

01:05:45.880 One thing that the elites

01:05:47.360 tend to misunderstand is

01:05:50.160 they think that ordinary

01:05:51.560 working class people who

01:05:52.580 don't pay attention to too

01:05:53.540 much to politics, they don't

01:05:54.780 know anything about what's

01:05:55.700 going on.

01:05:56.260 They just need to sit down

01:05:57.820 and learn what the Davos

01:05:59.600 set is going to teach them.

01:06:01.340 That's simply not the case.

01:06:02.860 They have a much better

01:06:03.740 sense of the cost of eggs,

01:06:06.340 the cost of gas, the way

01:06:08.540 that wages are growing or

01:06:09.840 stagnating or declining.

01:06:11.480 And they are going to hold

01:06:12.580 them to account.

01:06:13.320 If the polls are to be

01:06:14.500 believed at all, it's going

01:06:16.340 to be a tidal wave for

01:06:17.900 Democrats in November and

01:06:19.700 they deserve it.

01:06:21.040 Yeah.

01:06:21.320 And the working class

01:06:22.240 voters, whatever their

01:06:23.480 historical or their ethnic

01:06:25.020 or their racial background,

01:06:25.980 they don't buy all this

01:06:27.340 nonsense about that.

01:06:29.280 We're getting taught

01:06:30.040 through CRT and so on.

01:06:31.800 But then then there are

01:06:33.700 the people like Nicole

01:06:34.540 Hannah Jones, the elitists

01:06:36.620 within the Democratic Party.

01:06:38.120 And she is taking aim,

01:06:40.100 Michael, at the media's

01:06:41.320 coverage of Ukraine

01:06:43.240 as racist.

01:06:44.940 She says if you basically

01:06:46.480 she's saying if you care,

01:06:47.900 if you're particularly upset

01:06:49.220 about what's happening in

01:06:50.060 Ukraine, that's because of

01:06:51.380 your racism.

01:06:52.720 She is explaining that

01:06:55.420 basically it's how I'm

01:06:58.100 trying to find the exact

01:06:58.860 actual the exact tweet

01:07:01.160 that.

01:07:03.340 OK, these admissions of

01:07:05.320 shock that this is

01:07:06.480 happening in a European

01:07:07.380 country are a historical

01:07:09.080 and also serve to justify

01:07:10.640 the lack of sympathy for

01:07:11.960 other invasions, other

01:07:13.600 occupations and other

01:07:15.420 refugee crises involving

01:07:17.480 peoples not considered

01:07:19.460 white.

01:07:20.160 and goes on, goes on to

01:07:22.280 talk about the racialized

01:07:23.620 analysis and language

01:07:25.200 that the reporters need

01:07:26.760 to look internally

01:07:28.040 because racialized

01:07:30.660 analysts and analysis

01:07:32.000 and language uncovering

01:07:33.300 Ukraine is obvious.

01:07:34.740 She doesn't like people

01:07:35.680 referring to Ukraine as

01:07:36.980 a civilized country.

01:07:38.680 You did that in a tweet.

01:07:39.900 She's probably going to say

01:07:40.640 you're racist because

01:07:42.640 that shows you only care

01:07:44.760 about the Ukrainians

01:07:45.700 because they're white

01:07:46.980 because they're white

01:07:48.680 and Nicole Hannah-Jones

01:07:50.540 insists that we need

01:07:52.040 to only focus on people

01:07:53.100 with a history of slavery,

01:07:54.740 which is ironic when

01:07:55.960 we're talking about

01:07:56.660 Slavic regions of the

01:07:58.040 world, because last I

01:07:59.680 checked, Slavic is where

01:08:01.560 we get the very word

01:08:02.740 slavery.

01:08:03.980 But but to take her

01:08:05.240 point on its face, as

01:08:06.740 you mentioned, Megan, I

01:08:07.940 got in trouble for a

01:08:09.500 shocking, controversial,

01:08:11.160 amazing tweet that I made

01:08:12.340 that I I did not think

01:08:14.040 was controversial at all.

01:08:15.120 Namely, this war between

01:08:16.640 Russia and Ukraine is

01:08:17.740 the first major war of

01:08:19.920 my lifetime between

01:08:21.320 civilized nations.

01:08:23.440 There have been other

01:08:24.420 minor wars.

01:08:25.140 I think of the I don't

01:08:26.680 know, Nagorno-Karabakh

01:08:27.920 conflict, not a major

01:08:29.100 war, even Kosovo.

01:08:30.440 I remember Kosovo quite

01:08:32.460 well, but not a major

01:08:33.660 war.

01:08:34.320 When you look at the

01:08:35.720 civilized part of things,

01:08:37.920 left wing flattery aside,

01:08:41.020 I don't think anyone

01:08:41.780 believes that Gaddafi's

01:08:43.160 Libya was the most

01:08:44.460 civilized place or or

01:08:46.000 Assad's Syria.

01:08:46.900 I don't think anyone is

01:08:47.640 going to go honeymoon in

01:08:48.500 Aleppo over Paris.

01:08:50.500 The reason this matters,

01:08:52.240 I'm not making any sort of

01:08:53.560 value claim about the

01:08:55.720 relative worth of Libyans

01:08:57.580 versus Ukrainians.

01:08:59.420 The reason it matters is

01:09:00.540 because you're talking

01:09:01.540 about a nuclear former

01:09:03.740 superpower now conquering what

01:09:05.940 had been a buffer state

01:09:07.180 between Russia and Europe.

01:09:09.580 World wars have started for

01:09:11.160 much less than this.

01:09:12.640 And you've got Putin, who is

01:09:13.840 committing the invasion, is

01:09:15.400 now actually threatening to

01:09:16.920 use nuclear weapons.

01:09:18.520 So the reason I mention

01:09:19.540 this is because the

01:09:21.680 global effects of this

01:09:23.940 war, if it continues to

01:09:25.260 escalate, as I think very

01:09:26.780 stupidly the Europeans are

01:09:28.620 encouraging it to right now,

01:09:31.020 the effects could be

01:09:32.420 catastrophic at a far

01:09:34.600 greater scale than the

01:09:36.300 relatively minor wars that

01:09:38.440 we have seen for the past

01:09:39.760 several decades.

01:09:40.540 moreover, it's just not true

01:09:42.380 to suggest that there is

01:09:43.760 there's been no caring by

01:09:44.880 the American people when

01:09:46.000 war breaks out in

01:09:47.360 countries where people

01:09:48.240 aren't all white.

01:09:49.860 I mean, you could go down

01:09:50.920 the list.

01:09:51.340 I was at Fox News covering

01:09:52.980 most of them while they

01:09:53.880 were happening.

01:09:55.160 And so this is another

01:09:56.520 tweet that she sends out.

01:09:57.540 What if I told you Europe

01:09:58.540 is not a continent by

01:10:00.320 definition, but a

01:10:01.840 geopolitical fiction to

01:10:03.180 separate it from Asia?

01:10:04.700 And so the alarm about a

01:10:06.980 European or civilized or

01:10:09.380 first world nation being

01:10:10.860 invaded is, wait for it,

01:10:13.660 a dog whistle to tell us

01:10:16.160 we should care because they

01:10:18.300 are like us.

01:10:22.000 Why are we listening to her

01:10:23.820 about anything?

01:10:25.120 How can any self-respecting

01:10:27.260 American university employ

01:10:29.280 this moron?

01:10:30.940 Well, Megan, you know, the

01:10:32.480 thing about dog whistles is

01:10:34.220 that the creatures that

01:10:35.900 hear the dog whistles,

01:10:37.180 well, they tend to be

01:10:38.400 dogs.

01:10:38.800 You notice the

01:10:39.260 conservatives here and

01:10:40.020 they're never the ones

01:10:41.180 talking about these dog

01:10:42.000 whistles.

01:10:42.320 So you say, hold on, if

01:10:43.160 you're hearing that, maybe

01:10:43.920 that says more about you

01:10:44.840 than it does about me.

01:10:46.060 The irony, of course, with

01:10:47.680 Nicole Hannah-Jones is

01:10:49.600 that she is not a real

01:10:52.340 historian.

01:10:53.100 She is not a real

01:10:54.000 scholar.

01:10:54.920 She is a propagandist and

01:10:56.160 a political activist.

01:10:57.120 Actually, the main thing

01:10:58.840 that she is known for is the

01:11:00.540 1619 project from the New

01:11:02.140 York Times, the central

01:11:03.280 thesis of which was

01:11:04.440 complete bunk.

01:11:05.740 Yes, Michael, speaking of

01:11:07.520 a historical, who is she

01:11:08.960 to be throwing that term

01:11:10.020 around?

01:11:10.880 Right.

01:11:11.500 Her claim was that the

01:11:12.880 American Revolution began

01:11:14.360 to protect slavery in the

01:11:16.440 colonies and it's just not

01:11:17.420 true.

01:11:17.960 And even leftist academic

01:11:19.160 historians pointed out it's

01:11:20.520 not true.

01:11:21.160 She's never really

01:11:21.860 apologized.

01:11:22.800 The New York Times sort of

01:11:23.880 kind of tried to kind of

01:11:25.100 retract it some months

01:11:26.400 later, but they still

01:11:27.140 spent millions of dollars

01:11:28.060 pushing it.

01:11:28.840 They took out their

01:11:29.460 little eraser.

01:11:30.860 Exactly.

01:11:32.160 It's not going to work.

01:11:33.260 And so no one should take

01:11:34.380 her seriously.

01:11:35.040 And the only reason anyone

01:11:37.060 really should care about what

01:11:38.380 she says is because she's a

01:11:39.740 very effective political

01:11:41.380 activist who has transformed

01:11:42.800 curricula around the

01:11:44.280 country and totally

01:11:45.440 misrepresented history and

01:11:47.980 geopolitics.

01:11:49.360 And unfortunately, when

01:11:50.880 people are ignorant of

01:11:51.720 history and geopolitics, you

01:11:52.820 find yourself in sad

01:11:54.640 situations.

01:11:55.320 History repeating itself as

01:11:57.060 tragedy and farce.

01:11:58.120 And Joe Biden at months

01:11:59.960 ago was getting ready to

01:12:00.860 award a reward school

01:12:03.960 systems that taught her

01:12:05.280 nonsense.

01:12:05.720 Then they had to back off

01:12:07.380 of that once there was such

01:12:08.940 backlash.

01:12:09.340 But that's, you know, that

01:12:10.840 that's how he sees her

01:12:12.220 messaging tonight.

01:12:13.720 The great unifier.

01:12:14.480 We'll see what he has to say

01:12:16.000 on subjects like that if he

01:12:17.340 dares touch them.

01:12:18.560 Michael, always a pleasure.

01:12:19.660 Love you.

01:12:20.160 Love your show.

01:12:20.860 Thanks for being here.

01:12:22.040 Megan, great to be with

01:12:22.860 you.

01:12:23.020 Thanks.

01:12:28.120 Now to a broadcast news

01:12:29.380 exclusive regarding the

01:12:31.840 controversy surrounding

01:12:33.240 UPenn transgender swimmer

01:12:35.160 Leah Thomas.

01:12:36.620 We are now just two weeks

01:12:37.740 away from Thomas vying to

01:12:39.660 break all time NCAA

01:12:41.280 records set by Olympic

01:12:43.420 gold medalists Missy

01:12:45.060 Franklin and Katie Ledecky.

01:12:46.820 We have heard reports of

01:12:47.940 young female swimmers being

01:12:48.940 upset with having to

01:12:50.280 compete against Thomas due

01:12:51.480 to the natural physical

01:12:52.300 advantages she has against

01:12:53.780 them.

01:12:54.540 She was born and raised as a

01:12:56.660 biological man.

01:12:57.760 She's actually swam for the

01:12:59.120 University of Pennsylvania as

01:13:00.420 a man and then just

01:13:02.360 switched and started

01:13:03.620 swimming as a woman.

01:13:06.140 Many of these female

01:13:07.600 swimmers, however, are

01:13:08.540 afraid to speak up.

01:13:10.280 And for good reason.

01:13:11.060 We have seen what the mob

01:13:11.880 can do, but they've been

01:13:13.280 begging for people within

01:13:14.220 their sport, those with

01:13:15.340 positions that are secure,

01:13:16.960 who can make a difference

01:13:17.720 to speak up for them.

01:13:19.780 Now one man is doing so.

01:13:22.660 Joining me now, Seth

01:13:23.700 Houston.

01:13:24.480 Seth is the head coach of

01:13:25.760 swimming at Rice University.

01:13:27.740 He's the first active

01:13:28.820 Division One coach to

01:13:29.840 publicly take a stand on

01:13:31.640 this.

01:13:32.200 Seth, thank you so much

01:13:32.880 for being here.

01:13:34.000 Thank you for having me.

01:13:35.540 So let's talk about

01:13:37.520 just set the stage.

01:13:39.820 Why do you think it's

01:13:40.860 unfair for a swimmer like

01:13:42.620 Leah Thomas, who, as far

01:13:44.540 as I can tell, she was

01:13:45.880 when swimming as a man, she

01:13:47.560 was ranked 462nd in the

01:13:49.580 country.

01:13:50.180 Now swimming for the Penn.

01:13:51.720 That was when she was on

01:13:52.520 the Penn's men team.

01:13:53.820 Now swimming for the Penn's

01:13:55.040 women team is ranked first

01:13:56.760 among the nation's college

01:13:58.660 women.

01:13:59.160 So what about it is unfair?

01:14:02.180 Well, I mean, I think I think

01:14:04.880 it really goes first towards

01:14:06.980 just trying to protect

01:14:08.360 women's athletics and

01:14:11.160 and in swimming in this

01:14:13.100 case.

01:14:13.580 what's unfair is in the long

01:14:18.780 and short of it is Leah Thomas

01:14:21.000 what was born a man and

01:14:24.720 biologically went through

01:14:27.100 puberty and everything as a

01:14:30.380 as a male.

01:14:31.100 So there's some some significant

01:14:34.720 differences in the development

01:14:36.020 between male and female,

01:14:38.860 particularly during puberty

01:14:40.160 physiologically.

01:14:41.440 And so, you know, just

01:14:43.620 the long and short of it is

01:14:45.080 is that is why there is

01:14:46.920 women's sports and men's

01:14:48.580 sports.

01:14:49.180 And that was created to

01:14:50.580 create a level playing field

01:14:51.740 so women could thrive and

01:14:54.080 excel in their own arena.

01:14:57.340 Isn't it crazy that you have

01:14:58.300 to be careful talking about

01:14:59.920 how there are biological

01:15:00.960 differences between men and

01:15:02.140 women when you get on this

01:15:03.280 subject?

01:15:03.860 Like you have to be careful

01:15:05.340 not to say that men are

01:15:06.880 different from women

01:15:07.600 physically and have

01:15:08.900 different physical

01:15:09.480 advantages over women.

01:15:10.500 Like that's the crazy place

01:15:12.220 we're at now that that's

01:15:13.640 not disrespectful to

01:15:14.600 transgender swimmers or

01:15:15.680 athletes or anybody else to

01:15:16.680 say there are biological and

01:15:17.920 physical differences between

01:15:19.380 the two sexes.

01:15:20.200 The fact that Leah has

01:15:21.320 chosen to transition in her

01:15:23.260 social world to female

01:15:25.040 doesn't undo all of that.

01:15:26.460 That's just that's the

01:15:27.200 reality of this situation.

01:15:29.680 It's why people like you are

01:15:31.040 in an uncomfortable position

01:15:32.040 and having to acknowledge what

01:15:33.240 is clear without being

01:15:35.520 intentionally offensive,

01:15:36.460 which I know is not your

01:15:37.340 goal.

01:15:37.600 Well, I mean, absolutely.

01:15:40.440 I mean, in the classroom,

01:15:42.560 in the workplace,

01:15:45.400 the more power to Leah being

01:15:47.880 who Leah wants to be and

01:15:49.400 being her true self.

01:15:51.640 Absolutely.

01:15:53.460 Support that 100%.

01:15:55.280 I think I think where it gets

01:15:58.060 kind of murky is is.

01:16:01.140 You know, I mean, this is a

01:16:02.640 it there's a place where in

01:16:06.160 in the community where it's all

01:16:09.740 or nothing and and again, I

01:16:12.200 I think there have to be some

01:16:14.400 some areas where we've we've

01:16:16.020 carve out and protect, you

01:16:18.600 know, women have been a

01:16:19.740 protected class in sport.

01:16:21.740 And now with a with, you know,

01:16:24.840 sorry to like this, but a

01:16:26.100 biological male coming in

01:16:27.760 at a high level among women,

01:16:30.440 it is going to take

01:16:32.180 opportunity and and really

01:16:33.820 change kind of, you know,

01:16:35.580 if this happened over and over

01:16:37.400 and over again, it's really going

01:16:38.640 to change how women would even

01:16:40.620 approach sport.

01:16:41.520 Some might leave the sport.

01:16:42.720 There's just all sorts of

01:16:44.540 negative things that could

01:16:45.420 ultimately happen to

01:16:47.060 to women.

01:16:47.720 And so that's not to state

01:16:50.180 that Leah should not be

01:16:51.680 included or any other

01:16:53.640 transgender athlete.

01:16:55.040 I mean, absolutely.

01:16:56.000 We want everybody to have an

01:16:57.780 opportunity to compete

01:16:58.760 and to learn and

01:17:01.380 and do the things that they're

01:17:02.480 passionate about.

01:17:03.780 It's just what

01:17:05.640 what is fair competition?

01:17:08.040 And I think that's been

01:17:08.980 included where that's come up

01:17:10.480 this year, included where and

01:17:12.380 how. What would you say is a

01:17:13.700 solution to a, you know,

01:17:15.840 a swimmer like Leah?

01:17:18.400 Well, I feel like USA

01:17:20.820 Swimming came out with some

01:17:22.040 with some good guidelines

01:17:23.960 about a month ago.

01:17:25.940 And the NCAA said

01:17:28.620 that they were deferring to

01:17:29.940 governing bodies.

01:17:32.720 And and so lo and behold,

01:17:35.700 USA Swimming appropriately

01:17:37.380 came up with some some,

01:17:39.060 I think, some some good

01:17:40.760 start, a good start to

01:17:42.200 to addressing this.

01:17:43.360 And we'll obviously have to

01:17:44.700 see how that ultimately

01:17:45.560 plays out.

01:17:46.260 But they have a two tier

01:17:48.060 system, kind of an elite

01:17:49.600 level athlete

01:17:50.440 tier that, you know,

01:17:52.620 you have to demonstrate

01:17:54.620 that kind of your

01:17:56.180 your biology has been

01:17:57.780 mitigated, you know,

01:17:59.400 with lower testosterone

01:18:00.360 levels over time.

01:18:03.100 You know, other, you know,

01:18:06.020 other ways that you have

01:18:07.200 mitigated your your male

01:18:08.400 biology to compete

01:18:09.920 fairly as a woman.

01:18:11.200 And and then at the

01:18:13.520 lower level, just for those

01:18:15.020 who want to participate

01:18:15.880 and and and just be in

01:18:18.260 the sport, we're giving

01:18:19.700 them an opportunity.

01:18:20.700 USA Swimming to swim is

01:18:22.540 is who you identify as.

01:18:24.660 And I totally agree with

01:18:26.540 that.

01:18:26.760 I think it at some level,

01:18:29.780 you know, you want,

01:18:31.500 especially at the elite

01:18:32.260 level, you want to assure

01:18:33.420 a level play fair and

01:18:34.920 view level and fair

01:18:36.860 playing field.

01:18:38.380 So it's a couple of

01:18:39.200 things.

01:18:39.440 The NCAA then stepped in

01:18:41.340 after USA Swimming did

01:18:42.400 that and said, OK, those

01:18:43.800 are going to be the

01:18:44.200 standards next year.

01:18:45.540 But this year, Leah Thomas

01:18:47.000 swims.

01:18:47.740 She swims at the NCAA

01:18:48.860 championships.

01:18:50.140 She swims at the meet you

01:18:51.140 guys just had.

01:18:52.380 And she's breaking records

01:18:53.660 left and right.

01:18:54.660 And this despite some

01:18:56.520 swimming observers who

01:18:57.560 believe she's phoning it in

01:18:58.920 on something like she's

01:18:59.560 holding back to try to

01:19:01.060 keep it closer than she

01:19:02.200 could make it.

01:19:02.940 I read several reports

01:19:04.880 about that because those

01:19:06.100 who observe swimming say

01:19:06.940 you can tell when a

01:19:07.580 swimmer is not giving it

01:19:08.300 their all and they feel

01:19:09.760 like under the national

01:19:11.160 spotlight now, Leah Thomas

01:19:12.740 is doing just enough to

01:19:14.580 make it tight, but place

01:19:16.820 herself as the winner in

01:19:18.820 most of these races.

01:19:20.500 I don't know if you've

01:19:21.100 observed that, too, but the

01:19:22.440 point is she gets to swim.

01:19:23.740 She's going to swim in the

01:19:24.540 NCAA championships this

01:19:26.280 month in two weeks.

01:19:27.900 And I wonder if you think

01:19:29.300 that's OK.

01:19:30.480 Here's where I kind of stand

01:19:31.420 on that at this point.

01:19:32.240 I feel like Leah played

01:19:33.680 by the rules as they

01:19:34.760 were written with the

01:19:36.160 NCAA when when she

01:19:38.100 appealed and went

01:19:39.180 through the process to

01:19:40.040 be eligible.

01:19:41.440 And at the time, you

01:19:43.060 know, the rules, which

01:19:44.320 and that's where I've had

01:19:45.040 a problem with the

01:19:45.580 NCAA not being out in

01:19:46.880 front of kind of this

01:19:47.780 kind of issue.

01:19:49.380 You know, this is not

01:19:52.980 on Leah.

01:19:53.620 This is kind of on

01:19:54.580 governing bodies and

01:19:55.720 that to have taken care

01:19:57.060 of these things and

01:19:58.140 protect women

01:19:59.300 athletes and kind of

01:20:00.680 the fairness of sport.

01:20:02.840 At this point,

01:20:04.200 you know, I feel like

01:20:05.180 if I were coaching

01:20:06.860 or if I was if there

01:20:08.860 was an issue like where

01:20:09.740 they changed the rules

01:20:10.660 in the middle of the

01:20:11.400 season that that

01:20:13.240 maybe was had

01:20:14.160 benefited my athletes

01:20:15.540 and now that was going

01:20:16.640 to disrupt their

01:20:18.120 their opportunity to

01:20:18.920 compete, I would really

01:20:19.980 have an issue with

01:20:20.700 that.

01:20:21.420 I think in this case, I

01:20:22.880 would take the same

01:20:23.900 same stance.

01:20:24.740 I mean, at this

01:20:25.420 point, it

01:20:27.480 NCAA is a collegiate

01:20:29.960 season.

01:20:30.580 Leah started it.

01:20:31.420 Leah should finish it.

01:20:32.940 What about it?

01:20:33.800 And why would it

01:20:35.040 matter?

01:20:35.600 OK, so let's say Leah

01:20:36.520 goes and dominates

01:20:37.440 NCAA championships and

01:20:38.880 wins everything and

01:20:39.600 sets records.

01:20:40.480 Let's say she beats the

01:20:41.260 records held by Ledecky

01:20:42.380 and the other girls who

01:20:45.020 might otherwise have won

01:20:46.120 are now second

01:20:46.880 placers.

01:20:47.960 Why would that matter

01:20:49.180 to those girls?

01:20:50.200 Why?

01:20:50.680 Why?

01:20:51.020 You know, do they

01:20:52.740 have a right to be

01:20:53.400 upset?

01:20:55.000 Absolutely.

01:20:56.380 There's going to be I

01:20:58.340 mean, I've said it

01:20:58.960 before.

01:20:59.300 I think Leah goes

01:21:00.580 through the championships

01:21:01.520 and swims and there's

01:21:03.100 going to be a lot of

01:21:03.860 people in the in the

01:21:06.440 sporting world, in the

01:21:07.320 swimming world, from

01:21:08.120 the fans to parents to

01:21:10.180 to the athletes that

01:21:12.100 are going to be shaking

01:21:13.000 their heads saying, how

01:21:13.880 did this happen?

01:21:15.520 You know, this isn't

01:21:17.320 fair.

01:21:18.880 It'll be interesting to

01:21:20.120 see at NCAA.

01:21:20.760 Again, it's on it's on

01:21:22.700 national exposure.

01:21:23.700 It'll be, you know,

01:21:25.560 well attended by

01:21:26.320 athletes and coaches

01:21:27.400 from all over the

01:21:28.100 country who haven't

01:21:29.620 been in person to

01:21:31.380 compete and see

01:21:32.360 see everything

01:21:33.600 happen.

01:21:34.140 So, you know, my

01:21:35.640 hope is that it

01:21:36.800 honestly, again, it

01:21:39.200 kind of reinforces

01:21:40.200 why rules have

01:21:41.640 have needed to be

01:21:42.680 changed and

01:21:43.620 updated.

01:21:45.440 You know, and

01:21:46.440 hopefully that'll

01:21:47.440 only make make it

01:21:48.520 more obvious why

01:21:49.380 things have had to be

01:21:50.340 done.

01:21:50.760 All right, so how

01:21:51.360 people who are not

01:21:52.740 competitive athletes

01:21:53.780 understand it, right?

01:21:54.900 Because I've heard and

01:21:56.140 I've read a lot of

01:21:57.140 statements from like

01:21:58.100 GLAAD and others

01:21:58.900 saying societal good is

01:22:00.720 more important than the

01:22:01.680 good that one swimmer

01:22:02.520 feels this in this

01:22:03.700 scenario, the biological

01:22:05.580 girl who comes in

01:22:06.400 number two.

01:22:07.520 Societal good is more

01:22:08.380 important.

01:22:09.100 And, you know, you may

01:22:10.300 not like it, but you're

01:22:11.240 going to have to suck it

01:22:11.800 up because society is

01:22:12.700 moving forward and this

01:22:13.620 is the right result.

01:22:14.340 And too bad.

01:22:15.940 And we've even seen

01:22:17.180 one of the competitive

01:22:19.880 swimmers, not at

01:22:21.460 UPenn, at another

01:22:22.440 organization, she's at

01:22:24.640 Stanford, Brooke Ford,

01:22:26.760 come out and say

01:22:27.340 something similar.

01:22:28.140 She's apparently in

01:22:29.360 these competitions and

01:22:30.700 expected to do well.

01:22:32.240 And she says, I

01:22:35.420 believe treating

01:22:36.040 people with respect

01:22:36.760 and dignity is more

01:22:37.600 important than any

01:22:38.720 trophy or record will

01:22:39.680 ever be, which is why

01:22:40.860 I will not have a

01:22:41.660 problem racing against

01:22:42.760 Leah at NCAAs this

01:22:44.500 year.

01:22:44.960 But I think in that

01:22:46.100 case, I would say any

01:22:48.960 competitive athlete,

01:22:50.300 especially at this high

01:22:51.380 level, you there's

01:22:53.980 certain things you have

01:22:54.740 control over and

01:22:55.400 there's things you

01:22:55.940 don't.

01:22:56.600 And in Brooke's case,

01:22:58.120 she can do what

01:22:59.120 Brooke can do.

01:23:00.040 And if Leah is going

01:23:00.880 to be there, it's

01:23:02.220 in Brooke's best

01:23:03.020 interest just to

01:23:03.760 focus on Brooke and

01:23:04.900 get up and race and

01:23:05.840 do her best.

01:23:06.520 And, you know, maybe

01:23:07.620 she'll come out on

01:23:08.280 top to to to kind

01:23:12.700 of make an issue as

01:23:14.400 as an athlete and get

01:23:15.940 too vocal about it

01:23:17.100 over something that

01:23:17.860 you have no power

01:23:18.460 over with the NCAA

01:23:19.440 rules and that would

01:23:20.800 really, really kind of

01:23:21.840 help that individual

01:23:23.020 then self-destruct.

01:23:24.340 So, you know, I'll

01:23:25.580 have someone competing

01:23:26.700 at the meet and our

01:23:28.140 focus is on that

01:23:29.500 athlete doing her

01:23:30.460 absolute best and

01:23:31.860 being prepared to

01:23:32.860 do her best despite

01:23:34.140 the other things

01:23:35.200 going on around

01:23:35.880 that are, again,

01:23:36.700 not within her

01:23:37.340 power.

01:23:39.720 And so for that,

01:23:41.320 I feel like I

01:23:42.860 don't necessarily

01:23:44.300 what I would say

01:23:45.720 kind of in the

01:23:46.720 other piece of

01:23:47.460 that, what Brooke

01:23:47.940 said is, of

01:23:49.900 course, we want

01:23:51.720 to include, we

01:23:53.100 want to support

01:23:54.040 Leah.

01:23:55.200 We want, I want

01:23:56.820 all of those things.

01:23:57.740 But in sport, I

01:23:59.560 mean, there are

01:24:01.240 rules that are

01:24:02.980 created to create a

01:24:03.840 fair competition.

01:24:05.920 And that's why we

01:24:07.520 update rules from

01:24:08.340 year to year.

01:24:08.800 That's why an

01:24:10.580 umpire should be

01:24:11.420 calling balls and

01:24:12.200 strikes for one

01:24:13.640 team the same as

01:24:14.380 another team.

01:24:15.900 You know, that's,

01:24:16.520 there's, you know,

01:24:17.360 you step over the

01:24:18.100 line and you're out

01:24:19.140 of bounds.

01:24:20.340 That catch doesn't

01:24:21.400 count.

01:24:21.820 Things like that.

01:24:22.460 So, you know, to

01:24:24.940 just say, get

01:24:26.220 used to it.

01:24:27.280 This is, this is

01:24:28.540 where we're going

01:24:29.100 as a society.

01:24:31.060 Again, in the

01:24:32.700 workplace, in the

01:24:33.400 classroom, 100%

01:24:35.660 agree.

01:24:36.440 I want, that

01:24:37.500 should have no

01:24:38.060 bearing on whether

01:24:39.220 someone could

01:24:39.820 perform their

01:24:40.420 duties, do a

01:24:42.100 great job, live

01:24:43.780 and learn and

01:24:44.300 thrive.

01:24:44.940 But again, sport

01:24:46.060 is just, it's

01:24:46.860 different.

01:24:47.500 And it is

01:24:48.200 different because

01:24:49.080 it's been created

01:24:51.060 again, separate

01:24:52.140 but, you know,

01:24:53.400 honestly, it's

01:24:53.960 equal.

01:24:54.320 There's men

01:24:55.260 and women's

01:24:55.900 sports, uh,

01:24:57.240 women, uh, you

01:24:58.760 can, you can go

01:24:59.740 down studies and

01:25:01.300 studies and studies

01:25:02.120 where it's

01:25:02.760 illustrating and

01:25:03.440 showing the

01:25:04.080 physiological

01:25:04.840 differences that

01:25:05.840 happen, uh, for

01:25:07.800 male biology and

01:25:08.640 female biology.

01:25:09.660 Yeah.

01:25:09.980 And it's not, it's

01:25:10.500 not all hormonal

01:25:11.300 either.

01:25:11.940 If it's not all

01:25:12.520 about the level of

01:25:13.120 testosterone.

01:25:14.360 Yeah.

01:25:14.580 If it was all

01:25:15.200 one sport, um,

01:25:16.980 you wouldn't see

01:25:17.720 very many women at

01:25:18.860 the top of, of

01:25:19.860 podiums and that

01:25:21.000 if they were

01:25:21.460 exclusively competing

01:25:22.920 against, uh, well,

01:25:24.700 it was all mixed

01:25:25.840 together.

01:25:26.440 So I know that

01:25:27.520 you said that's

01:25:28.520 the change.

01:25:29.500 I know that you

01:25:29.980 gave an interview

01:25:30.760 to, uh, swim

01:25:31.820 swam, uh, dot

01:25:32.980 com.

01:25:33.220 And I know you

01:25:33.600 said in there,

01:25:34.220 the NCAA is,

01:25:35.460 is not leading.

01:25:36.860 Um, they're not

01:25:37.600 even really

01:25:37.900 following.

01:25:38.380 They're just sort

01:25:39.160 of going along.

01:25:40.440 Um, what

01:25:41.600 about you, Penn?

01:25:43.140 Because as far as

01:25:44.620 I can tell, they've

01:25:45.300 actually said that

01:25:46.320 if Leah's kept

01:25:47.280 out of these

01:25:48.300 competitions, they,

01:25:49.640 according to one

01:25:50.680 of the swimmers

01:25:51.120 who spoke out

01:25:51.600 anonymously, have,

01:25:53.220 um, threatened to

01:25:54.140 sue on Leah's

01:25:54.860 behalf to make

01:25:56.080 sure she can swim.

01:25:57.140 And then when

01:25:58.480 angry parents of

01:25:59.660 the female swimmers

01:26:00.520 sent a letter to

01:26:01.840 you, Penn, saying,

01:26:02.740 would you please do

01:26:03.480 something to protect

01:26:04.180 our daughters?

01:26:04.920 This has gone too

01:26:05.860 far.

01:26:06.460 The response was,

01:26:07.880 and I only wish I

01:26:08.840 were kidding.

01:26:09.340 The response was,

01:26:10.460 uh, we fully

01:26:12.320 support all of our

01:26:13.200 swimming student

01:26:13.820 athletes and we

01:26:15.320 have encouraged them

01:26:16.140 to utilize the

01:26:17.340 robust resources

01:26:18.260 available to them

01:26:19.000 at Penn, in

01:26:20.240 particular, providing

01:26:21.980 links to counseling

01:26:23.580 services, counseling

01:26:25.320 and psychological

01:26:25.940 services, and the

01:26:27.480 LGBTQ center.

01:26:29.980 In other words,

01:26:31.180 Seth, they're telling

01:26:31.980 the girls to go get

01:26:32.820 therapy to deal

01:26:34.140 with their anger as

01:26:35.500 opposed to doing

01:26:36.280 anything to deal

01:26:37.220 with the source of

01:26:37.800 the anger.

01:26:38.740 I'm not really

01:26:39.500 following what the

01:26:40.900 Ivy League schools

01:26:41.520 are doing.

01:26:42.300 Uh, I, I guess I

01:26:43.740 could tell you I'm

01:26:44.400 very happy to be

01:26:46.180 coaching at Rice and,

01:26:48.300 and I feel like we've

01:26:49.200 had, we're having

01:26:50.700 debate literally about

01:26:53.200 what I've said and,

01:26:54.960 um, uh, and, you

01:26:57.160 know, kind of my right

01:26:58.440 to speak.

01:26:59.460 And, and then again,

01:27:00.820 uh, you know, am I,

01:27:03.600 you know, the, I think

01:27:04.720 some of it is, is like,

01:27:07.000 am I being transphobic

01:27:08.340 by expressing this

01:27:09.460 opinion?

01:27:10.140 Uh, and that's what

01:27:11.120 some people choose to

01:27:12.160 think.

01:27:12.740 Uh, I've had, uh,

01:27:14.400 I, I just think it's

01:27:15.460 too bad that we're

01:27:16.720 not like it, at Penn

01:27:18.380 or an Ivy League

01:27:18.900 school, they're not

01:27:19.420 really even allowed

01:27:20.100 to express an opinion,

01:27:22.000 uh, and said they're

01:27:23.140 kind of being muted,

01:27:24.460 uh, and just go along

01:27:26.200 and get along.

01:27:27.080 That's, that's too

01:27:27.880 bad.

01:27:28.080 That's really, I don't

01:27:28.640 feel like what, what

01:27:29.520 we're really all about.

01:27:30.700 I think we can have

01:27:31.460 an open and fair

01:27:32.200 dialogue, um, and

01:27:33.900 disagreements come

01:27:35.060 with the territory.

01:27:36.920 You were called

01:27:37.540 transphobic by, uh,

01:27:39.480 the, the paper at

01:27:40.780 Rice, the student

01:27:41.460 newspaper, the

01:27:42.300 thresher, the

01:27:43.440 student association

01:27:44.160 equity council

01:27:45.120 introduced a

01:27:45.660 resolution denouncing

01:27:46.980 you calling for you

01:27:48.420 to publicly apologize

01:27:49.400 to Leah Thomas and

01:27:50.380 the student body for

01:27:51.620 your quote, transphobic

01:27:52.820 comments, which simply

01:27:54.120 mirror the ones you've

01:27:54.800 made here, uh, for

01:27:56.340 Rice to make a

01:27:57.040 monetary donation to

01:27:58.400 the Houston trans legal

01:28:00.040 aid clinic and for

01:28:01.740 you to undergo

01:28:03.680 allyship training and

01:28:05.900 an anti-discrimination

01:28:07.700 course.

01:28:09.100 So are you prepared to

01:28:10.740 do any of that?

01:28:11.400 Uh, I think we'll

01:28:15.740 just see how all of

01:28:16.720 this plays out.

01:28:17.560 I, I, I've completely

01:28:20.200 stayed out of it.

01:28:21.100 I really don't, you

01:28:22.420 know, the student

01:28:23.060 government's going to

01:28:23.700 do what the student

01:28:24.280 government does.

01:28:25.340 What, what I've seen

01:28:26.620 here.

01:28:26.940 And, uh, again, I

01:28:28.960 understand why a lot

01:28:29.800 of people won't speak

01:28:30.660 out.

01:28:30.940 I mean, I sure as heck

01:28:32.060 didn't say something

01:28:33.880 even thinking that this

01:28:35.480 would go to, like I

01:28:36.900 would even be sitting

01:28:37.500 here talking with you

01:28:38.480 or, uh, any of

01:28:39.700 that, um, it was

01:28:41.200 just me stating an

01:28:42.640 opinion.

01:28:43.580 Uh, and, and I

01:28:45.500 think what, what has

01:28:46.320 happened is, you

01:28:47.400 know, this is a very

01:28:48.280 sensitive issue.

01:28:49.080 People get really

01:28:50.320 wound up, uh, kind

01:28:51.740 of defending, you

01:28:53.220 know, their ideals or

01:28:54.920 what they think and, or

01:28:56.200 can be very offended by

01:28:57.420 something who's speaking

01:28:59.560 out or saying something

01:29:00.580 different.

01:29:00.980 And that's what I'm

01:29:02.100 seeing here.

01:29:02.760 What has happened, um,

01:29:04.500 quite honestly, I feel

01:29:05.460 like a number of people

01:29:06.580 are kind of, I'm going

01:29:08.300 to say coming out of

01:29:09.000 the woodwork at rice, a

01:29:10.120 number of, of students,

01:29:11.420 uh, that have been

01:29:12.760 silent and kind of feel

01:29:14.280 like, uh, they're seeing

01:29:16.000 that this is not really a

01:29:17.380 very fair process for, um,

01:29:19.480 it's kind of been one

01:29:20.240 sided and, um, and

01:29:22.280 they've kind of been

01:29:22.840 speaking up and, and,

01:29:24.140 and some people are

01:29:25.320 actually gaining a voice,

01:29:26.400 uh, you know, from

01:29:28.580 this, uh, and, and so

01:29:31.200 it's been, it's been

01:29:32.000 kind of interesting to

01:29:32.760 kind of sit back and

01:29:33.840 watch it unfold.

01:29:34.880 Mm-hmm usually that's

01:29:36.200 what, that's what we

01:29:37.100 see when one person

01:29:38.060 speaks up, there are

01:29:38.900 many others who have

01:29:39.640 been too afraid who

01:29:40.900 might then find the

01:29:41.660 courage.

01:29:42.640 Um, can I ask you

01:29:43.680 though, frankly, do

01:29:44.260 you, do you feel that

01:29:45.020 you need allyship

01:29:46.240 training or an

01:29:47.360 anti-discrimination

01:29:48.060 course?

01:29:49.580 No, I, I, I, I

01:29:52.420 really live, live

01:29:53.540 very much by a rule

01:29:54.420 of everybody who I

01:29:55.920 meet first is I'm

01:29:57.160 going to be very

01:29:57.660 respectful to you.

01:29:59.160 It would take a lot

01:30:00.000 for me to, for that

01:30:01.860 person to kind of

01:30:02.560 lose my respect.

01:30:03.300 So I really value

01:30:04.240 people.

01:30:05.240 Um, I think, I

01:30:06.920 think anybody who

01:30:08.060 comes across my

01:30:08.800 path, I'm, I'm

01:30:09.580 greeting, I'm

01:30:10.120 hello, I'm, I'm

01:30:11.580 treating really very

01:30:12.660 fairly, uh, it, and

01:30:14.760 that's just, you

01:30:15.380 know, that's really

01:30:16.220 just kind of my, my

01:30:17.520 Christian background.

01:30:19.180 And I feel like that

01:30:20.520 has given me the

01:30:21.640 opportunity or ability

01:30:22.740 to kind of love

01:30:23.700 everybody.

01:30:24.480 Uh, now I can meet

01:30:25.560 people where they're

01:30:26.220 at, they, you know,

01:30:27.520 and again, we're going

01:30:28.100 to be different, uh, and

01:30:29.620 people are going to

01:30:30.000 have different ideas and

01:30:31.100 opinions.

01:30:31.680 And I could tell you

01:30:32.980 coaching 18 to 20

01:30:34.920 year old women, they

01:30:35.760 do not think like I

01:30:36.700 do in a lot of ways.

01:30:38.760 And that doesn't mean

01:30:40.180 I think any less of

01:30:41.120 them.

01:30:41.340 Uh, honestly, I

01:30:42.400 really value, uh, kind

01:30:44.680 of the things they say

01:30:45.620 or where they're coming

01:30:46.300 from.

01:30:46.580 And I'm willing to

01:30:47.480 listen and learn still.

01:30:48.700 Well, let me ask you

01:30:49.540 that because to the

01:30:50.500 girls, we know that the

01:30:51.680 girls at UPenn have been

01:30:52.800 afraid to speak out the

01:30:53.820 young women they, because

01:30:55.080 they've done so, but

01:30:56.320 anonymously to various

01:30:57.560 publications.

01:30:58.960 What, what is your

01:31:00.860 message to them?

01:31:02.140 The ones we know are

01:31:03.000 unhappy with the

01:31:03.860 situation.

01:31:04.220 They don't, they don't

01:31:05.120 want to swim next to a

01:31:06.180 biological man.

01:31:06.980 Who's now transgender

01:31:07.980 woman.

01:31:08.540 They don't want to share

01:31:09.480 a locker room, 35 young

01:31:10.900 women with someone who

01:31:12.480 is still biologically male.

01:31:13.880 And the, what they have

01:31:16.280 reported is that Leah

01:31:17.280 Thomas doesn't seem to

01:31:18.160 care at all about the

01:31:19.380 fact that they are

01:31:20.040 uncomfortable and they

01:31:21.240 are losing and they don't

01:31:22.060 think it's fair.

01:31:22.880 And they report that

01:31:24.120 she's enjoying the

01:31:24.780 attention and enjoying

01:31:25.900 the wins.

01:31:26.520 And I'm sure it does feel

01:31:27.540 good to go from 437 to

01:31:29.200 number one.

01:31:30.220 Uh, but what do you, what

01:31:31.120 is your message to the

01:31:31.940 young women at UPenn who

01:31:32.940 are too afraid to speak

01:31:33.760 out?

01:31:34.380 I hadn't really thought

01:31:34.940 about what I would

01:31:35.540 deliver for a message to

01:31:36.840 them.

01:31:37.420 Uh, I believe, you know,

01:31:38.820 one of the things I just

01:31:40.100 spoke to my team about, uh,

01:31:41.800 you know, when, uh, you

01:31:43.680 know, I wanted them for

01:31:45.700 instance, when, when, what

01:31:47.540 I had came out and then

01:31:48.680 the student government, I

01:31:49.760 did, I wasn't encouraging

01:31:52.020 anybody to, to speak up

01:31:53.360 for me.

01:31:53.640 I wanted them, if they

01:31:54.520 have a comment, if they

01:31:55.380 wanted something to share,

01:31:56.280 um, you know, if they're

01:31:58.280 comfortable with it, do it.

01:31:59.700 And it didn't have to be

01:32:00.780 in support of me.

01:32:02.180 Uh, and if it was great,

01:32:03.720 uh, but, but, you know,

01:32:05.900 I just, for the most part,

01:32:07.060 I encouraged them to, to

01:32:08.040 speak up.

01:32:09.340 Uh, but I, I really do

01:32:11.380 understand, at least in

01:32:12.520 part, you know, some of

01:32:14.000 the things you hear is if,

01:32:15.240 uh, as a young person, if

01:32:17.180 you speak up, it could

01:32:18.160 cost you, uh, you know, a

01:32:20.340 job later, or you could

01:32:22.320 be, uh, you know, kind

01:32:24.260 of, uh, so to speak,

01:32:26.120 canceled out, uh, those

01:32:27.500 kinds of things.

01:32:28.740 Uh, and, and that's a real

01:32:31.200 fear, uh, when you're 18,

01:32:33.060 19, 20, because acceptance

01:32:34.700 and being a part of a

01:32:36.200 group and your reputation

01:32:37.660 are, are, you know, very,

01:32:39.560 very important kind of in

01:32:40.540 your self-esteem and who

01:32:41.500 you are.

01:32:42.040 So, I mean, I do

01:32:43.280 understand where people

01:32:44.720 are quiet and trying to be

01:32:46.780 an anonymous, but, uh,

01:32:48.500 it's, and in, in some

01:32:50.320 ways that just seems to

01:32:51.220 be what's been reinforced

01:32:52.800 and forced upon them.

01:32:54.040 I would imagine if it

01:32:55.260 wasn't like that, there,

01:32:56.200 there probably would be

01:32:56.940 some voices speaking

01:32:57.820 out.

01:32:58.860 Correcting myself, uh,

01:32:59.840 Thomas was ranked 462nd

01:33:01.700 in the country on the

01:33:02.840 men's team.

01:33:03.320 Now, number one on the

01:33:04.480 women's, I will say this,

01:33:05.920 I'll steal the last word

01:33:06.700 on it, Seth.

01:33:07.280 Um, I've been, I've been

01:33:09.480 through a lot, uh,

01:33:10.840 publicly when it comes

01:33:11.860 to cancellation.

01:33:13.040 I've been a young woman

01:33:13.940 who's been in a lot of

01:33:14.820 battles that are dicey

01:33:16.460 and I will, I, I land in

01:33:18.620 a different place on this

01:33:19.600 having been through all

01:33:20.280 that.

01:33:20.500 And I say these young

01:33:21.260 women, if they don't

01:33:21.920 speak out now, will

01:33:22.680 regret it for the rest of

01:33:23.600 their lives.

01:33:24.720 That this is a character

01:33:26.220 defining moment.

01:33:27.100 They're not 12, they're

01:33:28.320 19.

01:33:29.300 And this is one of those

01:33:30.540 moments where taking a

01:33:32.080 principled stand, just like

01:33:33.160 we saw those girls do in

01:33:34.180 Connecticut, um, in the

01:33:36.100 face of being called

01:33:36.900 names.

01:33:37.300 When you know what

01:33:38.180 you're really calling for

01:33:39.200 is fairness, not just for

01:33:40.740 you, but for womankind, for

01:33:42.540 womankind, um, is not

01:33:45.200 bigoted, it's brave.

01:33:47.060 And I, I think there's sort

01:33:49.220 of a before and after

01:33:50.060 moment happening now, right

01:33:51.300 now for those women.

01:33:52.000 And there is not an

01:33:52.920 employer in the nation

01:33:53.900 that, that will refuse to

01:33:58.440 hire them.

01:33:59.000 That is worth working for.

01:34:01.120 And there are a lot of

01:34:01.980 employers who will hire

01:34:03.400 them for standing on their

01:34:04.720 principles and having the

01:34:05.520 courage to speak out.

01:34:06.840 And then those are the

01:34:07.460 places they should land as

01:34:08.940 opposed to the former.

01:34:10.220 Uh, that's I'm out of

01:34:11.160 time, but I am very

01:34:12.400 grateful for you speaking

01:34:14.380 out on it and coming on

01:34:15.760 this program and speaking

01:34:17.380 your mind.

01:34:18.100 I hope the blowback is not

01:34:19.380 too, too fierce, but call

01:34:21.420 us if it gets there.

01:34:23.340 All the best.

01:34:23.880 Appreciate it.

01:34:24.340 Yeah, you bet.

01:34:26.740 Thanks for listening to the

01:34:27.880 Megan Kelly show.

01:34:28.700 No BS, no agenda, and no

01:34:31.180 fear.

01:34:35.520 Don't fear.

01:34:36.720 You

01:34:37.480 you

01:34:37.580 ?

01:34:44.440 Yeah.

01:34:44.980 Yeah.

01:34:49.480 Oh, that's it.

01:34:50.340 Yeah.

01:34:51.340 Yeah.

01:34:51.760 The.

01:34:51.860 Yeah.

01:34:52.520 Yeah.

01:34:53.020 Yeah.

01:34:54.020 Yeah.

01:34:54.460 Yeah.

01:34:55.380 Yeah.

01:34:56.360 Yeah.

01:34:57.280 Yeah.

01:34:58.760 I think that's it.

01:35:02.080 Yeah.

01:35:02.440 Yeah.

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