The Megyn Kelly Show - Queen Elizabeth II Dies, and the Left's Divisiveness, with David and Christen Limbaugh, Calvin Robinson, and Dr. Nicholas Kardaras

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.620 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.920 We had planned to start today's broadcast with Rush Limbaugh's brother, David Limbaugh,

00:00:20.320 on to talk about his new book and the news today. He will join us in just a little bit.

00:00:25.620 But first, an unprecedented scene is unfolding in Scotland right now as Queen Elizabeth's family

00:00:32.880 races to her bedside amid reports that doctors are concerned about her health. It is extremely

00:00:41.080 rare for Buckingham Palace to release that kind of a statement about the monarch. British commentators

00:00:49.060 are all commenting on how severely grave things must be for them to have done this.

00:00:58.780 You know, with the British, you kind of have to read through layers of some obfuscation. Sometimes

00:01:05.940 they're not as direct as we in the American media might like. And our British friends are telling us

00:01:11.220 this sounds troubling, deeply troubling. All four of her children are reported to be with the Queen

00:01:18.260 right now, or at least almost with the Queen, along with Prince William. Prince Harry is reportedly on

00:01:25.220 the way as well, although there are reports at this moment saying his wife, Meghan Markle, who is in the

00:01:31.580 region with him on a separate tour right now, the two of them are, will not be going to Scotland,

00:01:37.240 not confirmed. That's according to the New York Post. We don't know whether that's true

00:01:41.020 individually yet. Joining us now to discuss, Father Calvin Robinson, Anglican deacon and GB News

00:01:47.620 presenter. Calvin, what a pleasure to have you on. Thank you so much for doing this today.

00:01:56.240 I'm such a fan of yours and what a day to have you. So can you put in perspective what's happening

00:02:02.420 over there? Because here in America, we see this statement. A royal spokesman says as follows,

00:02:08.600 following further evaluation this morning, the Queen's doctors are concerned for Her Majesty's

00:02:13.980 health and have recommended she remain under medical supervision. The Queen remains comfortable

00:02:18.980 and at Balmoral, the Scotland residence. You know, as an American, you read that and you think,

00:02:24.240 all right, well, it doesn't sound that bad. But I mean, the reaction across Great Britain right now

00:02:29.080 suggests something else. Yeah, first of all, thank you for having me on, Megan. It's an absolute

00:02:32.940 pleasure. I wish it was under better circumstances. You're right in that we have to read between the

00:02:38.360 lines. When we see an official announcement from Buckingham Palace or from any of the royal family,

00:02:43.320 it's always very short and very sweet. It's just the British way. You know, we are very subtle about

00:02:47.740 these things. But if we are reading between the lines, it reads that things are not looking good.

00:02:52.740 There's a tense atmosphere. You know, I've been in broadcast for some time now and I don't get

00:02:56.760 nervous. But today I feel anxious. There's a broad, broad feeling of anxiety in the United

00:03:01.360 Kingdom. You know, it's pouring down with rain outside. It's a pathetic fallacy. Her Majesty the

00:03:05.760 Queen is, I think, the glue that holds this country together. She is the living embodiment

00:03:10.160 of our constitution. You know, she's the person that protects our liberties from, you know,

00:03:16.160 potential government dictators. She is the thing that unites us, the living embodiment of Britishness.

00:03:21.360 And to think that she might, her health might be at risk, severely at risk, is concerning to a lot of

00:03:28.260 us. It seems that all four of her children, Charles and Edward and Andrew, are either at her bedside

00:03:34.980 right now in Scotland or are about to be. When we saw the Royal Air Force flying some in a short time

00:03:42.380 ago, including her grandson, Prince William and Prince Harry. Again, the Daily Mail and the New York

00:03:47.440 Post at least reporting that Meghan Markle, Prince Harry's wife, is not there. I do not know about

00:03:51.480 Princess Kate. She's not listed. She's not. OK. And and in addition, can we just talk for a moment

00:03:58.400 about what's happening on the BBC? They and please forgive me because I don't know what the protocol

00:04:05.180 is, but some reporting that they've changed their website from having a red header to having a black

00:04:10.060 header that the BBC presenters, which is how we refer to the news people there, are changing into black

00:04:15.820 ties and black suits. Is is that true? And if so, what does it mean? So I didn't know they're doing

00:04:22.580 this already, but this is the protocol. So I have my black suit on today instead of a colored jacket

00:04:26.240 on because I will be on TV in the next few minutes after this broadcast. It's it's said that when Her

00:04:32.320 Majesty does when when that time comes, we are to subtly change into black and we are to change our

00:04:38.840 headers and all of this in a period of mourning. Even if you're not able to change, you're supposed to

00:04:44.480 wear a black horn band. This is the traditional English form of mourning that we will enter for

00:04:49.600 some period if the worst does happen. But I'm just praying for the best at the moment, because,

00:04:54.480 you know, as with anyone's health, Her Majesty the Queen's health could take a turn for the better

00:04:58.740 at any given moment. But looking at looking at the bright side of this picture, you know,

00:05:02.680 just this week, Her Majesty swore in a new prime minister, the 15th prime minister of her reign.

00:05:08.900 So Liz Truss, our new PM, met Her Majesty the Queen the other day. And that, you know,

00:05:13.700 Her Majesty the Queen has sworn in from from Winston Churchill to Margaret Thatcher. She's been stable.

00:05:19.940 She's been the constant throughout so much of our recent history. It's incredible to think that she

00:05:24.900 might not be a part of that picture one day. Right. I mean, we all understand the way life

00:05:29.240 works and the inevitable will come at some point. We don't know whether that day is today and are

00:05:33.840 hoping it's not. And it's just amazing to me. We'll get to this. But the love for this monarch

00:05:39.640 amongst the British people, it's withstood the test of time. You know, there have been dark times

00:05:45.560 in even her family's history. And, you know, who could forget the Annis or Ribilis that she referred

00:05:51.120 to after Princess Diana. But today, this 96 year old woman, I think it's fair to say, is almost

00:05:58.640 universally beloved by the British people. Right. I mean, Prime Ministers, Presidents,

00:06:04.160 Popes even come and go, but Her Majesty the Queen has been there throughout. And I think that's

00:06:08.640 important to us because other countries don't have that. You know, you guys have your flag and you

00:06:12.360 unite behind your flag, but it doesn't quite embody the same feeling as a living, breathing representation

00:06:18.100 of what we stand for as a British people. You know, she's been on the throne for over 70 years.

00:06:22.720 She's delivered over 69 Christmas messages, introduced 15 Prime Ministers, been the patron

00:06:28.760 of thousands of charities, the good work that she's done all around the country in the name of

00:06:33.600 the British Empire formally, and then the British Commonwealth nations more recently. And the fact

00:06:38.560 that throughout all of this, she has maintained that Jesus Christ was her rock as well. She says that

00:06:44.380 she is accountable to God. And for a public figure to say something quite as explicitly Christian as

00:06:50.540 that would be considered quite strange these days, but she maintains that throughout as well. So that's

00:06:54.820 another reason that I hold her dear, that she's not afraid of her faith. And in fact, that's the

00:06:58.920 thing that's given her a sense of service and duty. That's sort of a theme of our show today. We're going to

00:07:05.080 have David Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh's brother, forgive me to David for referring to him in that way over

00:07:10.040 and over, but that's obviously Rush was such a giant, everybody knows him, but he's got a book out on

00:07:14.740 Jesus and on faith and on the Apostle Paul that we're going to be talking about in just a bit.

00:07:19.480 But I think you're right. I mean, the Queen's commitment to her faith has been important at

00:07:24.720 a time in which it continues to wane among the populace there and the populace here.

00:07:30.300 She's needed it. It's been 70 years on the throne. She was 25 years old when her father died

00:07:38.400 and she took over as monarch. And, you know, I mean, you talk about the first prime minister she swore

00:07:44.500 in was Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill. Think about the tumult in the world at that time and

00:07:51.120 that she's helped steady the nation through.

00:07:55.020 Oh, absolutely. And from a personal perspective, she's got, you know, four children, eight grandchildren,

00:07:59.760 12 great-grandchildren. But we as a nation tend to see her as the nation's grandmother. And she's been

00:08:04.720 with us throughout that as well. Prince Philip, unfortunately, did die quite recently. And I think

00:08:10.520 nothing's been the same since. But even with that, she's maintained that her faith has continued to

00:08:16.700 give her strength. And one key element of that is forgiveness. So we all know that the IRA were the

00:08:23.200 biggest terrorists of the time a few decades ago and targeted the royal family and actually killed

00:08:27.840 Earl Mountbatten. But the Queen, Her Majesty the Queen shook the hands of the leaders of Sinn Féin,

00:08:33.620 the Irish Republic, the political party, in a sign that said, look, unity of Great Britain and Ireland

00:08:40.860 and friendship and bringing the nationalists and unionists together is more important than my

00:08:46.040 personal heartbreak. And I think that the Christian value of forgiveness is something that's so important

00:08:51.880 that we seem to be forgetting quite often these days in this time of cancel culture and wokeness.

00:08:58.580 And this is, Mark, you should know who don't know you as well as I do from watching on GB News and

00:09:03.000 following you on Twitter and so on. This has been something you've bravely spoken out about. I mean,

00:09:06.820 in great, smart, fierce terms from the start, you're definitely not pro cancel culture.

00:09:13.380 The just a couple of other details on what's happening right now. The changing of the guard

00:09:17.860 was canceled. We're told at Buckingham Palace today, there's just a sign up that reads no,

00:09:24.000 no guard changing ceremony today where you would normally go and watch it. I mentioned the BBC

00:09:29.700 presenter, more than one, I'm told, in a black suit and black tie and the change in the website.

00:09:35.780 We're also told that there is now perhaps it's always thus, but extra, I guess, security,

00:09:41.580 including barricades erected around Balmoral, as you might expect, with so many in the royal family

00:09:45.640 there. Some sort of a note had been handed to Prime Minister Liz Truss, again, brand new prime

00:09:51.320 minister. So we don't all we know for sure is that there's definitely something happening with the

00:09:55.900 Queen and her health. Calvin, on Tuesday, we saw her with Liz Truss. This is the first time she ever

00:10:01.400 did it at Balmoral in Scotland. The Queen is normally at Buckingham Palace for this, but she

00:10:06.140 stayed in Scotland for it. She's obviously been struggling. And there were some comments on how

00:10:11.540 her hands had bruises on them. The backs of her hands were very bruised up. I mean, she's 96 and

00:10:18.960 she's been struggling with her health. And you certainly anybody who's hadn't ever had an IV put in

00:10:22.720 them understands this can happen to you even when you're in your 30s or 40s, never mind in your in

00:10:27.740 your mid 90s. But it's extraordinary that she could be this unwell 48 hours ago and still did her duty,

00:10:38.900 still got dressed, still went out there, still met the incoming prime minister. I mean, extraordinary.

00:10:45.920 This is it. This is, you know, Her Majesty the Queen is from another generation that understood the

00:10:50.380 words duty, service and obligation. In fact, when she acceded the throne, one of the first things she

00:10:56.340 said was she was going to give her life in service to this country. And that is exactly what she has

00:11:01.620 done. And I think she will do it right up until the moment that she dies. But the fact that she

00:11:05.600 was willing to break tradition, and you know how important tradition is to the royal family and to

00:11:09.900 the English in general, but break tradition in meeting Liz Truss at Balmoral showed that she's not

00:11:15.100 work shy. Even when she is very, very ill, she still wants to do her duty in meeting and swearing

00:11:20.780 in at the next prime minister. It's that important to her. And this is why she is the head of state for

00:11:25.160 54 nations around the Commonwealth. This is why people hold her in such high regard. They just don't

00:11:31.440 make them like that anymore. She's been celebrated. I mean, across the globe, her platinum jubilee was just

00:11:38.440 celebrated 70 years on the throne. She did manage to make two appearances at that, even though she

00:11:44.360 wasn't feeling well. Just continuing with the fact that she's always put public service over

00:11:49.740 herself. Always. That's the thing about the Queen. I made it to that jubilee service, by the way. It

00:11:53.280 was absolutely fantastic. It was the first time, I think, since the 2012 Olympics that we held in

00:11:57.540 London that I felt a sense of unity in the country. Because, of course, there are some Republicans,

00:12:01.540 and I mean that in the English sense of not being a monarchist, rather than the US political sense,

00:12:06.340 there are some Republicans over here. But for the vast majority of the British public, there is a love

00:12:10.340 for Her Majesty the Queen. And celebrating all of those years of service is something that

00:12:14.300 united us in a time when we need it. We've just had Brexit. We've just had the horrible lockdowns

00:12:19.460 and the COVID years. And we feel more divided, or we have felt more divided than we have in a long

00:12:24.580 time. So it's good to have something to bring us all together, no matter if we're left or the right,

00:12:28.680 if we're woke or not, just to say, yes, we're all English, we're all British, and Her Majesty the

00:12:33.480 Queen has been there for all of us. And I think that the jubilee really shows that.

00:12:38.060 That makes so much sense, because over here, of course, we're equally divided in terms of Democrats

00:12:42.220 versus Republicans. And we used to have just America, the belief in this idea of America that

00:12:47.560 would bring us together, as you point out, our flag, our national anthem. And that's changing,

00:12:52.980 too. You know, the left in particular has been tearing that down as well, day by day. And now

00:12:58.100 we're in these fierce tribal culture wars. But unlike you, we don't have this other major figure

00:13:04.500 that we can get behind. You know, it was an idea. And as that degrades in the eyes of some,

00:13:11.400 we don't have a person that we can all agree on is a great representative of our country. You know,

00:13:16.840 I mean, the closest thing we had was Betty White, who was no, she was wonderful, but she wasn't the

00:13:21.180 Queen of England. You know, we just don't have something like this.

00:13:25.060 The reason I think that that's so important is because no matter how polarized society gets,

00:13:29.340 and how polarized politics gets, we have that stable figure. So right now, we're seeing the

00:13:33.440 Republicans and Democrats are so far apart. And we're seeing the same in the United Kingdom.

00:13:37.400 The Labour Party have gone so far left, they can't even define what a woman is anymore.

00:13:40.960 And the Conservative Party are reacting to that on the right. But smack bang in the middle,

00:13:45.220 this stable figure, this embodiment of the Constitution is Her Majesty the Queen. And no

00:13:50.000 matter who comes and goes in politics, from left or right, from leader or opposition,

00:13:55.100 she will still be there holding it all together.

00:13:58.220 Now, we understand, I mean, that when she took office, it was after, it was when her dad

00:14:02.120 passed away. And she took office, that's not the right term, but when she ascended to the throne,

00:14:08.720 but she wasn't sworn in officially, she didn't have her coronation ceremony, I guess is the term,

00:14:13.860 until sometime later. But just as a procedural matter, when the Queen passes, will Prince Charles

00:14:21.660 immediately become the King? And then same thing, there'll be a coronation later?

00:14:26.560 Yes, technically, he'll become the King. Her Majesty the Queen's funeral will usually happen 10 days

00:14:31.920 after her death. And then sometime after that, the next in line will be crowned. I think it was 18

00:14:37.860 months before Her Majesty the Queen was crowned, actually. But in her, yes, because in 1952,

00:14:43.460 she ascended the throne. But in 1953, in June, she became Queen. And in that broadcast, before she

00:14:49.700 ascended the throne, she gave us all a Christmas broadcast and she said,

00:14:53.100 pray for me, that God may give me wisdom and strength to carry out the solemn promise I shall

00:14:58.360 be making, and that I may faithfully serve him and you all the days of my life. I think that's just so

00:15:04.380 fitting to read right now, because that's literally exactly what she has done. Since before she was

00:15:09.360 enthroned, before she was crowned, she was swearing to God and to the British people that she'll serve us

00:15:14.120 all of her life. That gave me the chills. Do we expect that if there were an announcement to come,

00:15:21.300 it would come directly from Buckingham Palace as opposed to from the BBC or the news agencies?

00:15:27.480 Well, Buckingham Palace will let the Prime Minister know, and then the Prime Minister may decide to let

00:15:32.620 the public know, probably via the BBC, and then it will disseminate from there. But there are a chain

00:15:39.460 of events that are supposed to happen. It's called London Bridge Falls, the plan, but some of it has

00:15:45.840 changed because it was leaked, I think, just over a year ago by some shameful aid. So they have had to

00:15:51.680 change what will happen. So we don't know entirely, but there are so many protocols and traditions that

00:15:56.080 they have to follow. But at least we know it will be done in a proper and traditional manner. It won't

00:16:01.480 be just blurted out over the airwaves, which was unfortunately the case when His Royal Highness Prince

00:16:06.320 Philip died. I think BBC Radio were playing some drum and bass. They paused to say he had died and

00:16:12.200 continued the drum and bass, almost as if it was part of the track. It was very tasteless.

00:16:16.020 Oh my goodness. I mean, it's terrifying. Already on anything like this, you know, you got to stay

00:16:20.920 off social media because, of course, there will always be somebody trying to misdirect you.

00:16:25.360 And, you know, we see these reports where people, they report that some famous person has passed

00:16:29.680 and the person hasn't at all and actually is perfectly well with somebody of this advanced

00:16:36.220 age and this important on the global stage. You've got to be very careful. There was already

00:16:41.080 one report by some Twitter account that has about 600 followers. I'm not going to say the name,

00:16:47.660 but it's very close to a legitimate news agency. But it's not a legitimate news agency reporting that

00:16:53.080 the Queen had, in fact, passed. Not true, as far as we can tell from virtually any news,

00:16:59.460 real news organization. And a very well-known news organization here in the States ran with it.

00:17:04.900 So that's how you become part of the story, by not really checking. In any event, we need to wait

00:17:09.240 to hear from the prime minister, the palace, and it sounds like the BBC as well.

00:17:16.040 And the heavens have just opened. It's absolutely tarantula out here. It really does feel like

00:17:19.780 the end of a horror movie. It's a horrible time. But yes, I'm not a big fan of the BBC,

00:17:24.100 but they will be one of the first to publicize if there are any official changes. And that will

00:17:28.860 come from the prime minister himself. Well, herself now. Hopefully they'll get smart and

00:17:35.900 start giving it to GB News, which I would much rather watch as this news breaks and will.

00:17:40.520 Calvin, thank you so much. It's such a pleasure to have you here. I'm sorry it's on such a dark day,

00:17:44.680 both figuratively and literally. Thank you, Megan. God bless.

00:17:48.420 All the best to you, too. We're going to keep an eye on this. We'll update you

00:17:52.020 as the two hours progress to see if there's any news. And wow, what a great time to have David

00:17:57.540 Limbaugh, I mean, who's literally just written a book on Jesus Christ, on his apostle Paul,

00:18:04.160 and on things like forgiveness, which you just heard Calvin mention. We'll hit some news stories

00:18:09.880 with David and get into his book when his daughter joins us as well.

00:18:18.420 A big day for political headlines as Hillary Clinton steps in it on The View and a US Senate

00:18:25.580 candidate gets caught in an undercover video. This one again from James O'Keefe bashing white

00:18:30.260 people. OK, all that comes as the fallout over Joe Biden's soul of America speech. Dark Brandon

00:18:36.300 continues to create waves with one Boston Globe columnist suggesting the president did not go far

00:18:42.000 enough in condemning the evil MAGA Republicans, suggesting there would be no threat to the

00:18:47.640 nation, no MAGA Republicans at all without fill in blank white supremacy. It's days like today when

00:18:55.900 we often feel the absence of Rush Limbaugh. Right. Like I I miss Rush. I miss Charles Krauthammer.

00:19:03.080 There are certain just cultural voices that were unique and had so much wisdom and so many years

00:19:10.440 of walking you through the rough times that they would provide a comfort when things got really dark

00:19:15.360 like they have just now. And so today we're particularly excited to welcome two members of the Limbaugh

00:19:22.520 family to the show. They're here to talk about their new book, The Resurrected Jesus, The Church and

00:19:28.400 the New Testament. But Rush's brother, David Limbaugh, also agreed to talk news and politics

00:19:33.340 with us, which he's very, very good at doing. So we're going to start with just David. David,

00:19:37.160 thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the show. Megan, thank you so much. Long time no see.

00:19:42.140 This is the craziest thing I've read. The fact that The Globe and I realize it's The Globe published

00:19:46.880 this is almost stunning to me. The opinion columnist is also associate editor for their op-ed page.

00:19:53.620 Her name is Renee Graham. And what she wrote is and follows that centuries old brew of racism,

00:20:02.080 grievance and entitlement continues to roil and undermine this nation. After referencing

00:20:07.380 the Klan and others who have, you know, sullied our history, she says more than a century before

00:20:13.560 MAGA Republicans, there were the red shirts, white leagues and KKK terrorizing and massacring

00:20:19.580 black people. For them, the civil war never ended. It simply moved to new fronts.

00:20:25.100 And then she quotes somebody with them. The end sanctifies the means, however desperate and bloody.

00:20:29.900 And that end is first, midst, last and always a white man's government, meaning that's what these

00:20:34.980 people want, tantamount to the old slaveholding oligarchic supremacy that she was quoting William

00:20:40.680 Lloyd Garrison, a Boston abolitionist who wrote that in an 1875 letter to the Boston Journal.

00:20:47.040 Then she picks it up. Not a single word of what this guy Garrison wrote. Not a single word needs to be

00:20:53.660 altered to capture the current climate. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are nothing more than

00:21:00.420 rebranded red shirts and white leagues. And Garrison's descriptions also apply to Trump's acolytes,

00:21:07.140 whether they're on school boards in Congress or on the Supreme Court. I'll give you one more line.

00:21:14.080 She says Biden took pains to say, I'm not talking about every Republican, not even the majority,

00:21:21.500 but the MAGA ones. I am not as generous as President Biden, she says. If there are Republicans

00:21:27.840 opposed to their party's full embrace of Trumpism, most remained awfully quiet about it. She goes on

00:21:32.920 a reminder that not every white supremacist wears a white hood or a red MAGA cap.

00:21:39.840 What do you make of it?

00:21:42.340 This is why, and you read the Ben Shapiro story, which we may get into, the left is so exclusive,

00:21:51.840 so intolerant while accusing us wrongly of being that way. Biden did intend to demonize all Trump

00:22:00.880 Republicans, which I dare say is 95% of Republicans. These are not people that necessarily like Trump,

00:22:08.000 everything about Trump. They like his policies, and they like the fact that he

00:22:11.600 stood up for America as founder. And I challenge the premise that conservatives are racist at all.

00:22:20.200 I resent this constant accusation made out of whole cloth that, first place, I don't believe Trump is

00:22:28.660 a racist, and I don't believe... They first started it because of his border enforcement policies,

00:22:36.080 and they said that that was based on race. And yeah, he made some inartful comments. It has nothing

00:22:40.680 to do with race. It has to do with the unique American culture and orderly assimilation to our

00:22:46.000 society and law and order and the rest. Any nation preserving its sovereignty has to have ordered

00:22:51.680 borders. But they somehow conflate these things, and they know they're lying. Although the problem is

00:22:58.760 the followers of the left, the leaders of the Democratic Party, many of them do believe it.

00:23:03.680 On my Twitter feed, I say, I lament the fact that the America as founded is imploding. And they say,

00:23:10.940 yeah, you mean when there was slavery and all that? You can't wait to... And I think some of

00:23:14.880 these people really believe it. And it really troubles me. It grieves me, Megan, that so many people now

00:23:21.660 believe that conservatives are racist because that has been the constant drumbeat of the Democratic

00:23:27.760 Party because they have no effective policies, and they have to do something to stay in power.

00:23:31.480 And I mean it. It's just that cynical because they know better. And I'll give you a personal

00:23:37.020 example. A good friend of mine in high school, black guy, really close to him. I heard he was

00:23:41.780 not going to come to the 50th high school reunion. I can't believe how old I am. He's not going to

00:23:46.580 come to the reunion because I and others in the class are racist. Why are we racist? Because we

00:23:51.760 supported Trump. So this has real life consequences. These lies the Democrats are saying about race,

00:23:57.620 and they're harming race relations because they're causing too many blacks, and I don't know how many,

00:24:03.280 to really believe that we are racist. And it's so false. And I just find it lamentable that the

00:24:10.900 whole Democratic Party now, their whole mode is to exclude and to demonize us because, like I said,

00:24:17.960 there's no... They have no solutions to what's going on. They don't have solutions because they're

00:24:21.840 affirmatively causing them. Okay. Yeah.

00:24:23.740 I don't think that Joe Biden actually wanted to distinguish between MAGA Republicans and any

00:24:28.340 other Republicans. I think his speech certainly tarred everybody. And that when in the light of

00:24:35.080 day, he decided that might not be a great move, given what happened with Hillary's deplorable speech,

00:24:41.040 which may have cost her the election. So he tried to walk it back in a question that Peter Doocy

00:24:46.260 shouted at him. But I'm going to play just a piece of the dark Brandon speech from Thursday night.

00:24:51.940 Yes. And then the Peter Doocy Q&A. You have to listen because it's a little hard to hear the

00:24:56.080 Peter Doocy bit. Right. But I mean, it's a direct, direct contradiction of what he actually said. Here

00:25:01.240 it is. They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time they're

00:25:11.560 determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people. That's why respected conservatives like

00:25:19.920 federal circuit court judge Michael Ludwig has called Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans,

00:25:27.920 quote, a clear and present danger to our democracy.

00:25:33.440 But while the threat to American democracy is real, I want to say as clearly as we can,

00:25:40.720 we are not powerless in the face of these threats.

00:25:44.660 We are not bystanders in this ongoing attack on democracy.

00:25:49.660 Mr. President, do you consider all Trump supporters to be a threat to the country?

00:25:55.540 No, everyone. Come on.

00:25:59.140 I don't consider any Trump supporter to be a threat to the country. He literally the night before said

00:26:12.620 the Trump supporters are a clear and present danger to the country and are, and I quote,

00:26:18.080 a threat to the country. I mean, he doesn't even remember what he said less than 12 hours earlier.

00:26:23.820 It is so farcical what we're witnessing. We have an utterly incompetent, mean-spirited old man running

00:26:31.540 the country. And we're horrified yet at the prospect of impeaching him, which we never do anyway,

00:26:37.160 because what waits in the wings is worse. Kamala Harris and then Nancy Pelosi. We are in such a

00:26:44.780 mess. It's so embarrassing, but I don't care about embarrassment. And by the way, it's not

00:26:50.540 incompetence. This is a deliberate destruction of the things that traditional Americans hold dear.

00:26:57.400 And so people say, well, Biden's incompetent. No, he's not incompetent. Whoever is handling him

00:27:01.780 is doing precisely what they want to do. And you can see that in the intentional sabotaging of the

00:27:08.000 domestic energy grid and how these absurd things. You're now going to power electric cars because

00:27:14.920 the Florida and the California grid, the electrical grid is down. So you're going to power them with

00:27:20.220 gas generators. You can't, as someone said, make this stuff up. Their policies make no sense.

00:27:26.760 And while we punish and suppress our energy producers in the United States, we then try to

00:27:34.660 buy at higher prices, dirtier energy from foreign countries. And if this truly is, if climate change

00:27:43.140 truly is a global phenomenon, and I reject a lot of this anyway, but let's assume for the sake of

00:27:48.280 argument that it is, then it's going to have just as much damage globally in another country as it does

00:27:53.460 here. And so I find their, their policies are so absurd, reducing inflation with a, with an

00:28:00.380 inflationary act, a spending act. I, I, they just lie straight to our faces. They can't possibly believe

00:28:06.960 the things they're saying, but they do. They are committed ideologues, socialists, and you can't

00:28:12.060 even, you can't even say that's hyperbole anymore. They're full blown socialists in my view. Uh, the,

00:28:17.900 the hyper, yeah, go ahead. I was going to say the hypocrisy, uh, from some on the left who are pushing

00:28:22.820 these policies, like Gavin Newsom, you're talking about energy. He's getting hit today because let

00:28:27.420 me ask you, I'll show you the soundbite and, um, ask you if you notice something about what he's

00:28:31.940 wearing in this soundbite that has made news here. Stand by here. It is. And I'll explain.

00:28:37.240 I can't see it. I can't see anything still. So you've stepped up to help in a big way to keep the

00:28:43.700 lights on so far, but we're heading, we're heading to the worst part of this heat wave. And the risk for

00:28:47.880 outages is real and it's immediate. These triple digit temperatures throughout much of our state

00:28:53.840 are, are leading not surprisingly to record demand on the energy grid. Everyone has to do their part

00:29:00.300 to help step up for just a few more days. Okay. So you can't see it, but he's wearing a fleece coat.

00:29:08.860 He's sitting there telling everybody, you really can't crank your air conditioning, you know,

00:29:13.920 because we're in an energy crisis. Meanwhile, he's clearly in a room that's as cold as an ice

00:29:18.280 box. Otherwise he wouldn't need his hat and his, and his fleece jacket. Mr. French laundry don't

00:29:25.720 have any gatherings at home during COVID or any gatherings at all during COVID while he's dining

00:29:30.300 out of French laundry has done it again. Yeah. And you know, it is hypocrisy, but it's worse than

00:29:37.220 hypocrisy because they're affirmatively harming the country, harming other people, destroying the very

00:29:43.260 people they claim to protect because this is creating, uh, actually it's a global movement

00:29:48.980 that's creating worldwide poverty. And there, there, there's really credible evidence to believe

00:29:53.980 that Europe is going to face severe shortages and people will die in the winter because they can't

00:29:59.800 heat their homes. And you know, that's bleeding into the United States. It's not even bleeding.

00:30:03.160 We're doing the same. We're enacting the same silly, insane policies to cause that here. We have it

00:30:08.460 within our power to stop this stuff. And I just find it preposterous by the way, Megan, that,

00:30:13.260 that we can control the global thermostat anyway. And even if we could, you, all the, the, the experts,

00:30:20.940 except the, the, the politicized scientists will, will say that even if you enact even the,

00:30:26.540 the draconian provisions of the Kyoto, Kyoto protocol, you can't change mean temperature,

00:30:32.740 one degree Celsius in a hundred years. So they know this can't work. And, but yet they keep saying,

00:30:38.860 we're going to die in 10 years. They've been saying, you can't believe anything they say. I,

00:30:43.020 and, but in the meantime, they're destroying us. This is just some, uh, innocuous debate we're having.

00:30:48.300 This is going to kill people. It's going to impoverish people, but that's what socialism does.

00:30:54.420 And that's what environmental idolatry does. Yeah. And soon, and soon, I mean, especially given

00:31:00.300 Putin saying he's shutting down Nord Stream 1, uh, to Europe and, and keeping sort of that gas

00:31:06.440 pipeline shut down, or as Kareem Jean-Pierre calls it Nordstrom. Nordstrom 1. She doesn't know

00:31:12.340 anything. She knows absolutely nothing. There was a great piece by David Marcus in the New York Post

00:31:18.340 on her today, just talking about how, listen, she's just not up. She's not ready for primetime and

00:31:22.780 she, she's an embarrassment and she can't do anything without her notes. And when she does weigh in,

00:31:26.120 she lies. It's pathetic. I, I, I really, uh, it's unfair that they, she doesn't even know

00:31:34.580 that she's an embarrassment. That's how ignorant she is. And I don't say that to insult her that

00:31:39.520 they have a, they have a fiduciary duty in the executive branch to, to be competently,

00:31:45.860 at least trying to competently run things and to communicate with us. Biden's continually in the

00:31:51.340 basement and on vacation. So he sends out someone who, who checks all the, the, uh, boxes for

00:31:57.320 identity politics. And it's just an insult. Like nothing matters anymore. You can't, you can't be

00:32:03.800 serious. The only thing that matters in the military is whether, uh, you've got, uh, woke policies. It

00:32:09.800 doesn't matter if we're, if our military is being emboldened or if we're increasing our, our ship

00:32:14.900 building to stay up with the Chinese who, who represent an existential threat to the United States.

00:32:20.040 We just, we're going around in a horrifying way in the United States.

00:32:25.260 And then you have, so you have these innocuous comments by anybody with a, you know, wearing a

00:32:30.640 Republican t-shirt taken out of context and used to beat them up and their careers, punish them

00:32:35.380 publicly. But you can be a, a South Carolina U S Senate candidate like Christie, Crystal Matthews

00:32:43.720 and say stuff like this about white people. And it's totally fine. Anti-white racism

00:32:49.380 is not only not a problem, it'll probably get praised. Listen to her in an undercover video

00:32:54.620 captured by James O'Keefe.

00:32:56.620 You got to treat the white people like shit. You got to keep them right here. You got to

00:33:03.620 keep them right here. Otherwise they get out of control like shit. You got to keep them

00:33:10.620 right here. Otherwise they get out of control. Like you got to keep them right here. Otherwise

00:33:18.620 they get out of control. Like as if she's corralling them with her arm. That's how she treats the

00:33:31.620 whites. Imagine if a white politician said that about black constituents in his or her district,

00:33:40.620 they'd be run out of town on a rail. It is, it is so unbelievable what's going on. And it's being

00:33:48.420 elevated in the universities and doctrinating students to literally self-loathe that they're

00:33:53.240 white. Uh, and to justify all this hatred in the name of past wrongs, I guess, which by the way,

00:34:00.100 you and I didn't commit, even if it, even if it existed to the extent they say it did. And it was bad

00:34:05.420 in the past, but we've made so many national sacrifices, fought wars, fought the civil war,

00:34:11.840 went through all the turmoil of the civil rights era. And, and now, uh, we're still more evil than

00:34:18.400 we ever were. They're training the, the, they're indoctrinating young black children to hate the

00:34:23.940 cops. You've seen the videos of the young kids spitting on cops. How can you sustain a society

00:34:30.080 with this kind of hatred? And then these very people, I'm not talking about blacks. I'm talking about

00:34:34.700 mainly white liberals who are virtue signaling to their deathbed. Why, how can you possibly, uh,

00:34:41.200 run a society when you demonize one group of people and, and, and you do it in the name of,

00:34:47.720 I guess, equality. I, I don't, I don't get it, but, but it can't work. And these people are so

00:34:53.940 intolerant. The left is so intolerant and so exclusive and they do it in the name of inclusiveness.

00:35:00.000 I, I, I, it boggles my mind that they can say these things with a straight face. It boggles

00:35:06.800 my mind that the liberal media is in lockstep with this insanity. I mean, you would, you would

00:35:11.960 think, you, we know they're Democrats and probably mostly atheists, but how can they accept that,

00:35:19.440 that some of these premises that the, the left is now proposing and it doesn't matter how extreme

00:35:25.020 they get, which is, yeah, they're crystal Matthews is not going to get in trouble with

00:35:30.700 the left at all. The same as Don Lemon will not get in trouble for looking at a female commentator

00:35:38.500 on his panel last night. And when she lost her train of thoughts, accused her of having mommy brain.

00:35:45.080 Um, I mean, absolutely sexist and disgusting, but they won't call out Don Lemon and they won't call

00:35:53.380 out crystal Matthews because they're on the right team. They, they are two black public figures who are

00:36:01.560 open leftists. And so there's a very narrow category that will get you a pass. If you, if you were white

00:36:08.240 and a leftist, you could still get hit, but black, uh, uh, leftist and in Don Lemon's case, gay, as he

00:36:14.260 continues to remind us all black and gay, black and gay, cause it didn't want to get fired. Um, you're

00:36:18.660 fine. You're not going to get touched. That's the reality. That's why people get so angry because

00:36:23.620 their racism and their sexism gets a complete pass. And meanwhile, they look at people on the right

00:36:29.420 and make things up about them, find dog whistles where they don't agree. Tell us all Kyle Rittenhouse

00:36:35.240 is a white supremacist when there's no proof of it. And then want us to look at them as our moral

00:36:40.480 betters. And, but what's scary to me is then the people on the left believe it. And it's been going

00:36:49.120 on for so long, uh, that people now believe it. And this idea that, that Trump Republicans, even if it

00:36:54.760 were only 40% maggot, that's what they mean. I don't know who they're talking to. The people I know

00:37:00.840 are Bible believing good people. And they just believe in traditional values and God,

00:37:06.640 motherhood and apple pie and all that. And they're not bigots. And these are the people that

00:37:11.760 they're happy people. They're not filled with hate. They're not people who would ever censor

00:37:16.900 the speech of the other side. Why isn't that objective evidence of, of which side is on the

00:37:22.360 right and which side is on the wrong? David, can I add to that? Nor are they

00:37:25.800 semi-fascist or fascist? They want nothing to do with government. They don't want more government.

00:37:31.780 They want government out of their lives. That's another note that I had written myself to bring up

00:37:37.200 that the people who are authoritarian are the left. Biden is running in the left. All Democrats try to get

00:37:44.580 as much done as they can through executive order, unaccountable administrative bureaucracies,

00:37:50.400 unelected judges who are, uh, activist, liberal judges who will rewrite the constitution, who are

00:37:56.720 not accountable. That's the threat to so-called democracy. I think they mean constitutional republic,

00:38:01.360 but they don't know the difference. And, and so we don't do that. We want as much freedom as we can

00:38:07.460 possibly have and get the government out of our lives. Although we do want law and order,

00:38:10.920 we want a strong military so that we can preserve those liberties. Uh, but we believe in a safety net

00:38:16.060 and we're probably way more compassionate, uh, individually than the liberals. Not only do

00:38:21.480 Christians give more in charitable contributions, uh, but our policies in, uh, create more wealth.

00:38:28.460 We don't have a zero sum game. These people think the only way you can, you can make the people on the

00:38:33.980 in, in impoverished people better off is by redistributing wealth. And it's such flawed, uh,

00:38:40.520 economic thought. And, but even if it weren't look at the reality of what happens when you have

00:38:46.280 full-blown liberalism, full-blown socialistic ideas implemented, you have poverty, impoverishment

00:38:53.400 and death in world history. Look at the Jimmy Carter years, the years of malaise, you implement

00:38:59.120 those so-called well-intentioned policies. You end up with the misery index off the charts. Now,

00:39:04.920 what we're experiencing is horrifying. Megan, $31 trillion debt, and we're just continuing to,

00:39:12.040 to print money and spend it at an alarming rate. And even the conservatives are distracted from this,

00:39:18.140 this, you and I with kids, how can we not, how can we sleep at night other than through our faith,

00:39:23.940 uh, with that kind of thing. And the rest of it, I could, I could tick off as you, as you could,

00:39:29.400 10 existential threats. What about China? What about the border and fentanyl? I mean,

00:39:33.400 any of these things single-handedly could, could destroy the country law and order. I mean,

00:39:38.480 everything that the Democrats are doing is really horrifying to me. And there is no limit. And we

00:39:43.800 warned it, Rush warned about, I wrote a book in 2019. I'm no prophet. I'm not as well-versed as you

00:39:48.640 guys are, but it didn't take a, as a seer to know that the Democrats, if they got in power and all the

00:39:55.660 major branches, they would implement policies that would destroy. And we see no restraint.

00:39:59.820 They are out for power. They are ideologues. They're hateful. I don't mean the Democrat part.

00:40:05.160 The left is so hateful and claims they're not. I keep saying it scares me.

00:40:10.360 Well, it reminds me yesterday we had on Larry Elder and he was promoting his new movie,

00:40:14.100 Uncle Tom too. And it takes a hard look at the Marxist ideas underlying a lot of these big movements

00:40:20.840 like BLM and how really the goal is to destroy the country. They, they hate America and bit by bit,

00:40:26.880 they find new ways and new messaging to tear it down. And part of the plan is to remove God,

00:40:32.900 not just from the public square, but from the public, from America, which is a perfect place to

00:40:38.720 pause. Um, because you've essentially written multiple books about this, including your latest

00:40:44.500 along this one with your daughter, Kristen. So she's going to join us and we're going to get into,

00:40:48.420 uh, what you've written about what you want people to know right after this very quick break. Don't go

00:40:53.540 away. David Limbaugh is here today and we're also joined now by his daughter, Kristen Limbaugh Bloom

00:41:03.620 together. They wrote the new book, the resurrected Jesus, the church in the new Testament. Kristen,

00:41:10.340 welcome to the show. Great to have you here. All right. So first, just give me an overview

00:41:13.820 on what it was like growing up Limbaugh, because that's what America wants to know.

00:41:19.800 You know, we grew up in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, where dad and Rush are both from. So, um, growing

00:41:25.220 up, everyone knew my family knew who I was. And then going to college, I went to a pretty conservative

00:41:31.680 college. So when they heard my last name, they make the connection like you're, Oh, you're Russian

00:41:37.380 positive. I love him. I I'm a rush baby. But, um, I did have some liberal professors who, um,

00:41:43.180 definitely, um, we're not fans of rush. And so, um, dealt with that, but, um, no, I, my family's

00:41:52.120 great. Um, they've always instilled in me conservative Christian values and, um, and really my dad and

00:41:59.640 rush both, I mean, uh, are, have both been very humble and, um, I grew up like any other kid

00:42:06.440 in America would have, and I grew up believing that America is exceptional. And so I'm very

00:42:11.200 blessed. Now I can understand how they instilled conservative values in you, but in today's day

00:42:16.740 and age with so much, you know, I have so much drinking, so many drugs, so much premarital sex.

00:42:22.940 So all like, you know, debauchery and so on. How, how were they able to your dad in particular

00:42:29.240 and your parents to instill a love of Christ, an understanding of Christianity to the point where

00:42:35.520 now you're, I think, 29 years old and writing books about it. To me, that's extraordinary.

00:42:40.020 It's not easy to do. Oh, that's so kind of you to say, well, um, my mom is always the prayer warrior

00:42:46.500 in our family. And then I like to call dad the divine truth warrior. So, um, a little anecdote

00:42:52.640 of that is, uh, before I went off to college, dad was very concerned about me, um, not losing my faith,

00:42:59.720 but my faith being attacked. Um, maybe me having doubts based on the different arguments that

00:43:04.860 various, um, liberal professors would make to attack the faith. So he said, look, I'm going to

00:43:11.540 start taking you on lunches once a week. And I'm just going to go through the, the arguments that

00:43:18.340 you can, um, know in your heart and can use if you have to, to defend the Christian faith. And so we

00:43:25.660 met, um, we had like our little father daughter dates and, um, I felt very equipped and actually,

00:43:31.400 um, I had signed up for a class on the Bible, my first semester of freshman year, not knowing that

00:43:39.140 the actual premise of the class was to pick apart the Bible as a piece of literature and actually

00:43:44.140 try to discredit it. So, you know, little all me. Um, so, but I was prepared for that because dad

00:43:51.360 had equipped me. And so I spit out the answers that I needed to do, which is also something dad taught

00:43:56.420 me. He said, just, just get the, you know, it's not worth, it's not worth, uh, getting into a fight

00:44:01.500 with your professor your freshman year over something that, uh, they're not going to agree

00:44:05.600 with you on. So I spit out the answers, but in my heart of hearts, I knew, um, the arguments to defend

00:44:11.260 the faith. And I was so grateful to dad for preparing me that way. Oh, fascinating. Now this is,

00:44:16.160 um, I just had, uh, a friend of mine go to wake forest university because her dad, her dad was

00:44:23.240 like, Sean Hannity sent his kid there. So it can't be too far left. So what like, that's interesting

00:44:30.280 that the approach was to sort of just get the A cause we've been having this ongoing debate on

00:44:34.000 the show. I can't imagine Sean's son is going, it's just getting the A just can't imagine he'd be

00:44:39.120 in there going along with it. Yeah. Um, so funny because actually I met my husband through Sean

00:44:45.900 because Sean, uh, Sam played tennis at wake forest and helped recruit Patrick onto the

00:44:50.980 wake forest tennis. Yeah. Yeah. And you worked at Fox. You still work at Fox. You worked on

00:44:54.960 Sean's show. Yeah, that's what I do. I mostly just, um, handle scheduling now, not so much

00:45:00.120 production, but, um, yeah, it's just a small world. God has actually, you know, connected me

00:45:05.920 with so many important people in my life. Maybe when you're, maybe when you're the daughter of David

00:45:11.540 Limbaugh, who, while well known in our circles, may not, maybe not at the college level is

00:45:15.780 as well known as rush was, you can get away with it. But I got to imagine like there's certain

00:45:19.940 last names like Hannity. Everybody knows they know exactly what your feelings are.

00:45:23.800 There's no hiding it. You got no chance. Yeah. So you better be ready for whatever comes at you

00:45:29.440 good or bad. That's right. But he's going to be a stronger kid because of it, as I'm sure you are

00:45:34.060 as well. So great kid. Yeah, of course. So, so, you know, that's a, that's a risky thing. Like

00:45:39.820 if you don't send your kid to Liberty or Hillsdale, David, you take a big risk in today's day and age,

00:45:44.800 maybe SMU, there's a short list of colleges that are not looking to turn you into a far left

00:45:50.380 progressive. King's college is pretty good too. We sent her younger sister to King's. And although,

00:45:57.240 you know, there's, there's liberals there too, there's liberal, but we, we conservatives don't

00:46:00.540 object to liberals. We just want some conservative balance, you know? So, although I love Hillsdale.

00:46:05.920 Oh my gosh. Awesome. And whenever you see sort of an, whenever you see a sort of a, um, like an

00:46:12.980 online offering from Hillsdale, it's always somebody I love and always something I want to sign up for.

00:46:17.660 All right, listen, next, we're going to get into the book and you're going to teach me about the

00:46:21.520 apostle Paul. And my first question, I'll let you think about this during the break is how is he an

00:46:25.880 apostle if he never necessarily met Jesus? All right. That's a tough question. I know you're,

00:46:32.780 I know you're ready for it. Um, we're going to pick it up on, uh, on forgiveness and the messages

00:46:37.560 that David and Kristen have immersed themselves in while researching this book. Don't go away.

00:46:42.500 We'll be right back and we will dig into the resurrected Jesus.

00:46:51.580 So Paul is interesting to me. I have, I have a, a stepbrother who's named Paul after Paul,

00:46:57.260 and I didn't know any of this stuff about him or why he was, they, they, they chose this name or

00:47:02.980 just exactly how important he was. But let me just begin with the basics since I'm not a Bible study

00:47:07.240 girls will be apparent to you. Um, why, how is he an apostle if he was not around when Jesus was

00:47:13.540 around? Okay. In the, in the, uh, first letter to the Corinthians, he says, am I not free? Paul says,

00:47:21.160 am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? He did see Jesus. He encountered

00:47:27.720 him on the Damascus road. He was on his way to murder and persecute and imprison Christians who

00:47:33.780 he viewed as apostates from the Jewish faith. And Christ encountered him in a supernatural

00:47:38.420 experience, a vision, actually Christ actually appeared to him and blinded him on the road.

00:47:43.800 Thereafter shortly, uh, he, he was converted. But as I discussed it in the previous book,

00:47:50.260 Jesus is risen. He doesn't technically, uh, satisfy the apostolic credentials that were specified in

00:47:57.460 acts one 21 through 22, because he wasn't with Jesus during his earthly ministry and didn't witness

00:48:04.940 his resurrection. Those are the assigned credentials, but he was an exception because Christ specially chose

00:48:11.940 him. Uh, he did see Christ not in his resurrected form, of course, but he didn't witness the resurrection,

00:48:17.940 but he did see him on the Damascus road and Christ commissions him directly. So no matter what rules

00:48:23.360 existed, Christ can, is the God of the universe. So he can overrule any, any of those kinds of rules.

00:48:29.020 Okay. So what, why Paul? I mean, I realize it's not just about Paul, but Paul's the star. So why,

00:48:34.100 what is it about Paul, Kristen, that made him such, so ripe to be the star of this book and this message?

00:48:40.060 Well, Paul wrote, um, all seven of these epistles and, uh, he was actually under arrest while writing

00:48:47.480 these letters is what they actually were at the time. He was writing letters to the different

00:48:52.280 churches, um, that had blossomed in Asia and in Europe. And so he's writing them for different

00:48:58.980 reasons because different things were happening in each of these churches. Um, some of them were

00:49:02.980 believing false doctrine about Christianity. Things were getting muddled. Um, others were doing well.

00:49:08.720 And so he was just, but they were under persecution. So he's writing to encourage them.

00:49:12.960 And so it's interesting because a lot of the, um, issues that we face in our modern church

00:49:18.460 were already happening as early as the first century church that, um, Paul was helping to

00:49:24.360 like night. And, um, well, like doctrine getting, getting mixed in, you know, today we deal with the

00:49:30.840 new age where there's a lot of syncretism where people take something that is actually not

00:49:35.880 of Christianity and try to meld it with Christianity. And so, um, ideas get, get muddled

00:49:42.040 in people's minds and it's not, um, the true doctrine of Jesus. And, um, and also kind of

00:49:47.780 the lukewarm, um, aspect of the faith where people, um, aren't, are kind of like going to

00:49:53.280 church, but not fully having a personal relationship with Jesus, understanding that he is the only

00:49:58.720 way, um, to, to true salvation. And that is the key here that, um, and that's the theme of

00:50:04.920 the book, obviously that, um, Jesus is the one who is actually carrying out this mission

00:50:10.380 of his church through Paul and continuing today through Christians, because it's actually his

00:50:15.860 Holy spirit who lives inside Christians hearts. And when we connect with him on a personal level,

00:50:21.900 that's when we're able to have revelation and, um, discern what his will is in our lives.

00:50:27.200 And then for how we're supposed to be affecting the rest of the world.

00:50:31.160 So that's what Kathy Lee Gifford is always saying. She's saying she doesn't really have

00:50:34.580 much use for organized religion, but she has a lot of use for her direct relationship with Jesus

00:50:39.460 and has written so many books on it and talked about it at, you know, at length. So she, she is

00:50:44.940 like you, she'll get you very fired up about Jesus. And I love that because, you know, I may,

00:50:49.620 maybe you get something out of the Sunday mass, maybe you don't. Um, but the direct line to Jesus

00:50:55.380 himself, it can be much more, um, enriching. And I, let me just, as a, again, let me ask my

00:51:01.420 pedestrian question. Um, I did not realize this from chapter four, where you talk about how Paul

00:51:06.240 closes this one letter, um, by giving glory to God with his final greetings to all believers in

00:51:11.480 Christ, ending with this, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. And you go on, um,

00:51:18.440 to expand on that. But, you know, a few years ago, the, the church changed the way we respond

00:51:23.880 in mass to, you know, the Lord be with you. And you used to say, and also with you now they change

00:51:29.120 it to, and with your spirit. And I didn't know until I read this book that this is probably where

00:51:34.300 that came from, from Paul and that line, although I could be wrong. No, I don't know. We're not

00:51:39.740 Catholic, although I love you Catholics. Uh, but, but I didn't know that they changed that. I would have

00:51:45.360 to assume that it was in line with the scripture. That's encouraging. Can I, can I add something?

00:51:50.360 Because I think you're intrigued by Paul. Kristen gave a great answer. I want to add something to

00:51:55.400 what your question was. Is that okay? Yeah, please. Megan? Please. Okay. Why did, why did he choose

00:52:01.700 Paul? I think Paul was the least likely person for Christ to pick because he was a persecutor of the

00:52:07.460 church and hateful murder, just rebellious. But, and he was a Hebrew of Hebrews, you know, he was,

00:52:15.200 he was strictly followed the Hebrew laws and, and didn't want to accept faith in Christ. Uh, so,

00:52:21.900 but I think he chose him precisely because of his qualities, his zealotry, his energy, his intellect,

00:52:27.600 and because he would be the fiercest evangelist. Once he was converted, he would approach that with

00:52:33.400 every bit of zeal of zeal as he did when he was an Orthodox Jew. And by the way, as you know,

00:52:39.240 we Christians love the Jewish people. So this isn't anything, none of this has anything to do with,

00:52:44.060 uh, uh, denigrating Jews. We love them. And that's not just gratuitous, but so Paul,

00:52:50.760 but, but in, in the early church, there were these heresies that threatened the, the very survival of

00:52:56.980 Christianity in it, in its incipiency. These, these false teachers who, who Paul confronted in the

00:53:03.220 church, in the early churches, like in Ephesians or Ephesus, uh, some of these cults, some of these

00:53:09.440 false teachers were saying God is either not, I mean, Jesus is not either fully God or fully man.

00:53:14.600 The Christian doctrine is that he's fully a hundred percent, both melded into one being.

00:53:20.460 And some of the Gnostics would say material, material life is evil. Therefore, Christ could

00:53:26.420 not have been a human being. It was an illusion. He was only spirit. So he couldn't have died on the

00:53:31.320 cross. Well, that negates the entire premise of Christianity, which is that Christ's incarnation,

00:53:37.440 he became a man so he could save us. And so we could relate to him. He could suffer for us,

00:53:44.040 die for us, redeem us. If we have faith in him, there are also challenges to his, uh, to Paul's

00:53:51.000 assertion that salvation is by faith alone. And he wanted to embolden and reinvigorate his arguments

00:53:57.540 to correct these false teachers. And he called them false teachers. And so he instructed the churches

00:54:02.760 to purge the, uh, purge themselves of these false teachings. Otherwise you dilute it and then you

00:54:09.120 have nothing. It's what's happening in America on a secular level today. And I know you, you write

00:54:14.640 about how Paul felt like it was really important to, to equip younger leaders and workers with

00:54:21.780 practical knowledge to carry on the message and carry on the work. And that's, that's where we've

00:54:25.460 fallen down. That's one of the many places where we've fallen down. This is what, again,

00:54:29.080 this is two days in a row, but this is what Larry Elder was saying in uncle Tom too, which is like,

00:54:33.960 there's been a, there's been a design by the left capital L to extract not just, not just religion

00:54:41.820 from the public square, but religion from the people and replace it with Marxism with this leftist

00:54:47.620 idea of how society is supposed to run. And I'm not going to say Paul saw Marx coming, but Paul

00:54:52.760 certainly saw this as a massive problem that if the young people didn't have a relationship with

00:54:57.040 Christ, things are going to go South fast. No question. And, and another thing about this

00:55:02.940 that, that is analogous to modern times, I used to read the Bible and think ancient Corinth,

00:55:08.200 ancient Rome, the decadence, the licentiousness, uh, in those cultures and those communities,

00:55:13.280 uh, we'd never get that way in America. And I swear to you, Megan, we're there. This is the most

00:55:19.300 horrifying, uh, uh, thing I've ever seen that the licentiousness and the, and the celebration of

00:55:25.600 pure evil in the United States, the glorification of killing babies, what, no matter what you believe

00:55:31.600 about it, it used to be safe, legal, and rare, which was always a lie. They never meant that,

00:55:36.500 but now you're able not, they, they advocate the killing of babies, uh, even up to the point of

00:55:42.040 birth and beyond by resisting the infant born alive act. Obama did that. Obama was an extremist.

00:55:47.720 And I don't know how you can, how you can reconcile it. I don't know how that is not

00:55:52.620 objectively evil. Uh, but, and they'll, they'll wear shirts. I celebrate my abortion. I like to

00:55:58.640 murder baby. I mean, these, this is pure evil celebrate and worse. How can anybody side with

00:56:04.440 that? Anybody that's not under the influence of spiritual forces for eight or nine months pregnant

00:56:09.700 with a t-shirt on that reads, this is not a baby. Uh, okay. Can I just say, cause I wasn't sure

00:56:14.940 whether I was going to bring this up or not, but you just said like, we're getting like,

00:56:18.060 we're embracing evil. My God. I mean, almost literally there is a new FX show produced by

00:56:24.160 Disney. It's literally the opposite of what you two are doing. A father and daughter here sitting

00:56:29.160 on this show, promoting the word of the Lord and talking about the apostles. And this show is

00:56:35.100 promoting the devil and it's a father daughter team too. It's Danny DeVito and his daughter that he

00:56:41.560 has with Rhea Perlman. She plays, um, the daughter of Satan. It's a cartoon. So they do the voiceovers.

00:56:49.200 She, she does the voiceover for the, for Chrissy, who's the daughter of the devil. Danny DeVito does

00:56:54.440 the voice for Satan. And it's kind of crazy how weirdly violent and upsetting this entire thing is.

00:57:02.700 They're running around saying things like, let's go boil some babies while their heads are still soft.

00:57:07.900 Um, it's, it's very off putting that Disney has decided this is an appropriate cartoon

00:57:15.780 to air. Yes. Maybe it's targeted toward adults, but still like the talk about the coarsening of

00:57:22.100 our society. We actually have a little soundbite from it. Soundbite nine.

00:57:26.820 The sky over a local junior high has torn open.

00:57:30.220 Mom, get in.

00:57:31.820 There's no more putting this off. Your dad is the devil and you're the antichrist.

00:57:35.120 I'm supposed to accept that you had sex with Satan or anyone.

00:57:39.780 Please allow me to introduce myself.

00:57:42.980 Come to your father, Damien.

00:57:46.220 Oh, you're a girl.

00:57:48.040 The future is female.

00:57:50.240 Great to meet you.

00:57:51.380 Where have you been my whole life?

00:57:53.040 The metaphysical realm.

00:57:55.160 It's not hell, but it's got the essentials.

00:57:58.820 Yeah. What do you make of it?

00:58:00.680 Looked like the backdrop from Biden's speech.

00:58:05.120 But let me just say, let me hog the, hog.

00:58:10.780 See, I try to, I try to conflate, uh, spiritual and, and political issues.

00:58:15.640 Actually, they're all so joined anymore.

00:58:17.420 Let me take a quick stab before Kristen.

00:58:19.420 I think, uh, nothing's sacred anymore except evil.

00:58:24.020 Ironically in this culture, the what's dangerous here, obviously we're exposed to this kind of

00:58:29.460 thing in our culture all the time, but the dangerous thing is Disney, which purports to be a children's

00:58:33.840 network is doing this.

00:58:35.700 And so kids are going to necessarily run into this and they're trivially, trivializing spiritual

00:58:41.980 warfare by, and glorifying witchcraft, by the way, and lying about it.

00:58:46.400 Like witchcraft can fight these things when witchcraft is very part of the evil spiritual

00:58:50.720 realm.

00:58:51.140 They're normalizing evil.

00:58:53.360 They're, they're making it act.

00:58:54.880 They're acting like evil really isn't evil.

00:58:57.300 It's something to laugh about.

00:58:58.540 And what we don't understand, we become desensitized.

00:59:02.540 The Bible and Paul tells us in Ephesians, it's a, it's a handbook for spiritual warfare.

00:59:06.540 Don't think this is all about ghosts and goblins.

00:59:09.240 Evil spirits truly exist.

00:59:11.140 Satan truly exists.

00:59:12.460 He's behind the scenes.

00:59:13.540 I know I sound like a maniac.

00:59:14.900 I used to not even believe in the devil.

00:59:16.080 How else do you explain the rampant evil in this society apart from some spiritual forces

00:59:22.840 at work?

00:59:23.440 Kristen, sorry.

00:59:24.100 I talked that.

00:59:25.180 No, I would just add that the Bible says that, uh, Jesus told his disciples that the

00:59:31.160 enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy your life.

00:59:34.280 But I have come to give you life and life to the fullest.

00:59:37.140 And it's true.

00:59:38.520 This is nothing to laugh about.

00:59:40.620 People are trying to make a joke of evil in this world of the spiritual warfare.

00:59:45.660 That's actually going on and of hell.

00:59:47.840 And, um, it's a slippery slope because obviously boycotts are, you know, it's a slippery slope

00:59:55.040 with that.

00:59:55.420 But honestly, this is geared toward children.

00:59:57.600 It's about a 13 year old girl.

00:59:59.340 You can say it's geared toward adults, but it's already about a child and it's obviously

01:00:03.560 going to be on Disney plus.

01:00:04.680 I mean, it's, it's so sad to me because the kids who watch this are going to be desensitized

01:00:10.900 and are going to think that hell is, he said, it's not hell.

01:00:15.020 It's a, it's a metaphysical verse.

01:00:16.960 I mean, they're literally mocking God, mocking the Bible.

01:00:20.800 And we're not just talking about heaven and hell here.

01:00:24.240 Satan is out to rule or ruin and rule your life.

01:00:28.240 And so we're talking about your life on earth here as well.

01:00:31.260 I mean, he wants to steal every good piece, um, of, of fullness that God has for your

01:00:38.080 life and that is true for every single human being.

01:00:40.780 So I, I'm, I'm just repulsed by this and I'm so sad.

01:00:44.600 And I pray that, um, something that maybe the kind of devil has overplayed his hand with

01:00:49.380 this and this will wake more and more people up to the people.

01:00:52.040 Yeah.

01:00:52.380 Good point.

01:00:53.880 I think about, you know, where we should be focusing our energy, given how divided we

01:00:58.460 are and how unhappy our kids in particular are and the teenage suicide rate being what it

01:01:03.200 is and the social media.

01:01:04.240 Actually, we have a guest coming on a minute, but with all that, but I think about just where

01:01:07.940 we are as a society and couldn't we use more uplifting messages?

01:01:10.880 You know, what about, remember Michael Landon's highway to heaven?

01:01:12.920 That show couldn't get made today, but you can get a show on about the devil and killing

01:01:17.500 babies.

01:01:18.240 Sure.

01:01:18.660 That's funny.

01:01:19.440 That'll be a laugh riot.

01:01:20.940 And it made me think about before you guys were coming on, my producer pulled a bunch of

01:01:24.500 great rush clips and it was just so fun going back and listening to them.

01:01:27.860 But the one that I wanted to play for you guys is it's a little sadder.

01:01:31.660 Um, and it's from one of his last shows, but it's talking, I mean, like it's forgive me for

01:01:36.880 comparing rush to Oprah in a way, but when Oprah did her last show ever, it was very good.

01:01:43.360 I, I liked it.

01:01:44.220 I'm no longer an Oprah fan, but I loved her last show because it was sort of the accumulation

01:01:48.880 of all this wisdom she'd, she'd gotten over 30 years and she gave sort of the life lessons.

01:01:54.260 You know, there was one, like everyone wants to feel that they matter, that they need to

01:01:58.080 feel like they matter.

01:01:58.780 And Rush did something similar.

01:02:02.100 And this was just, this is a brief clip on him talking about pretty much what matters

01:02:06.400 is the opposite of what's in this new FX show.

01:02:09.700 Um, here's SOT 11.

01:02:12.320 My, my point in everything today that I share with you about this is to say thanks and to

01:02:18.760 tell everybody involved how much I love you from the bottom of a sizable and growing and

01:02:28.200 still beating heart.

01:02:29.820 And there's room for, for much more all because I have, I've learned what love really is during

01:02:39.980 this.

01:02:40.460 You know, I have a philosophy, there's good that happens in everything.

01:02:46.040 It may not reveal itself immediately.

01:02:47.800 And even in the most dire circumstances, if you just wait, if you just remain open to

01:02:55.740 things, the good in it will reveal itself.

01:03:00.920 And that has happened to me as well in countless, countless ways.

01:03:09.280 Oh, wow.

01:03:10.460 I miss him so much.

01:03:11.940 I know you guys do.

01:03:13.920 I don't know.

01:03:15.120 What do you make of that?

01:03:16.420 I mean, what do you, what do you think Rush would make of where we are right now?

01:03:19.280 More divided than even when he passed?

01:03:23.320 Well, you know what he said, he was living out the very message he was delivering, which

01:03:29.540 is God uses evil for good and the evil of cancer.

01:03:38.940 Sorry to get emotional.

01:03:40.460 Really drew him closer to Christ.

01:03:47.980 So it's awesome.

01:03:49.580 But now getting myself cheered up again.

01:03:52.440 The, I really think Megan and I think Rush thought this, that we lament divisiveness and

01:03:59.420 we say it's terrible that we have disunity.

01:04:01.380 I think what we have is strident divisiveness and such hate, mainly coming from the left.

01:04:09.120 And I, but I don't, I don't really aspire to get rid of, I don't aspire to reaching across

01:04:19.340 the aisle because I don't think there's any reconcile, on a spiritual level I do, but on

01:04:23.620 a political level, I don't think you can compromise with, with evil.

01:04:27.460 And I don't mean the people are evil, but their ideas are evil.

01:04:30.760 Marxism is evil.

01:04:31.880 And that's what they're advocating.

01:04:33.460 I believe like Rush, we have to defeat them.

01:04:35.920 And I don't mean grind them into the ground.

01:04:37.880 I don't mean to deny them a platform like they want to do Ben Shapiro and Megan Kelly.

01:04:42.300 I believe that we show love and we're winsome about it, but we cannot, we, we cannot fool

01:04:51.160 ourselves by believing in reason with people who are not governed by reason.

01:04:55.400 I think they're governed by spirit, spiritual dark forces.

01:04:58.600 And I don't mean in some cases, in other cases, not they're just ideologues and they're

01:05:03.040 so warped in their ideas and they're not willing to compromise.

01:05:06.300 You can talk to them.

01:05:07.560 You can listen to Biden calls us divisive and then demonizes the entire trend.

01:05:12.300 Trump supporters.

01:05:14.320 So anyway, it's just not, it's just not something I aspire to, even though I, we want to love

01:05:21.540 everyone and we'd like to bring everyone to Christ and to peace.

01:05:24.640 But in the political realm, I think we've got to defeat them or the country dies.

01:05:29.060 Yeah.

01:05:29.260 There are limits to your powers.

01:05:30.880 Kristen, I know we began with growing up Limbaugh.

01:05:34.200 You've got to think about that on a number of levels.

01:05:36.500 Now you're a new mom.

01:05:38.480 You have baby Zeke, who I think is David's first grandchild and, uh, you know, and, and

01:05:45.480 things change, right?

01:05:46.580 When you become a mother, you necessarily become a mother warrior and you look at all

01:05:51.720 these issues very differently and you are ready to fight.

01:05:55.900 You know, do you, do you, how, how, before I let you go, how has motherhood changed you

01:06:01.140 when it comes to, you know, all of the things we've been discussing?

01:06:06.300 Honestly, it's, it's exactly what you're implying.

01:06:08.840 Um, I think of myself more as a mama bear.

01:06:11.520 Now I get a lot more fired up about, um, all the evil that we are seeing in this world.

01:06:16.180 And I just think of what Jesus said.

01:06:18.540 He said that people will hate you because of me, because Jesus was hated when he came

01:06:22.620 to the earth.

01:06:23.140 And so I think that it's important to remember that not everyone's going to agree with, uh,

01:06:28.680 our beliefs and, um, but we're doing this because, um, because we have children to bring

01:06:34.720 up because we have a higher call, especially as parents, um, to bring up our own kids and

01:06:39.960 to set a legacy for generations that can be used by God because God is a generational God

01:06:44.680 who works through hundreds and thousands of, uh, uh, generations of people.

01:06:49.440 And I truly believe that.

01:06:50.700 I think that the prayers of parents are so powerful.

01:06:54.100 Um, I pray for, for my son throughout the day.

01:06:57.080 I know my mom, um, was the prayer warrior of our family and did the same.

01:07:00.200 And I've seen the way that her prayers, um, have blessed my life so much and dad's prayers.

01:07:04.960 And I pray that the same can happen for, for my child.

01:07:07.720 Oh, Megan, I want to say too, that I I've noticed, you know, uh, quick and quickening

01:07:13.840 in your steps since you became a mother, you're obviously such a loving mother.

01:07:17.740 And I love that.

01:07:19.160 And I, and Doug is such a great guy, your husband.

01:07:22.240 I've so enjoyed meeting him over the years.

01:07:24.320 And I do want to say one, one last thing I meant to add to my substantive answer.

01:07:28.840 Jesus contrary to popular opinion did not come to unite us.

01:07:33.960 He came to divide us.

01:07:35.140 He said, so he is the truth.

01:07:36.660 And people will oppose the truth.

01:07:38.520 He will separate mother from father, brother, and sister and all.

01:07:42.260 And it doesn't mean he wants to divide people, but he knows people will reject the truth.

01:07:46.020 And he knows that Satan's in control of this world, uh, to the extent, you know, that he

01:07:50.380 does.

01:07:50.780 And so there will, there will never be.

01:07:52.500 So there's nothing inherently evil about being divided.

01:07:56.400 If you're advocating the truth, we cannot deviate from the truth or everything disintegrates.

01:08:01.460 That's a very good point.

01:08:03.200 Very, very good place to leave it.

01:08:05.320 David, thank you.

01:08:06.180 Such a pleasure to see you again.

01:08:07.440 And Kristen, so nice to meet you.

01:08:09.260 Good luck with the book.

01:08:11.140 Yes, everyone's got to buy it.

01:08:12.320 It's called The Resurrected Jesus.

01:08:15.140 And all of David's books have been amazing, but I'm excited to read this one in full with

01:08:18.620 the two of you working on it together.

01:08:20.940 Thank you so much.

01:08:23.480 All right.

01:08:23.800 We're going to be right back with an expert on technology and social media addiction, who

01:08:29.560 is out with a fascinating new book and has some serious and helpful thoughts on how to

01:08:34.740 break that addiction in yourself or your child and, um, the social contagions that are

01:08:41.300 going around as a result of not breaking it.

01:08:44.000 Okay.

01:08:44.280 So stand by for that.

01:08:48.620 You heard with our last two guests, we were talking about things like God and his recession

01:08:55.600 from the public square, from the public hearts and minds, um, and the effect that that's causing

01:09:03.540 on our society, on our country, on the hearts and minds of our teenagers whose depression is

01:09:11.020 growing and spiking because guess what they're filling their time with as they're not part of

01:09:16.900 the Boy Scouts anymore.

01:09:17.840 They're not joining the youth groups.

01:09:19.240 They're not in a Bible study.

01:09:20.780 Many don't go to church on Sundays.

01:09:23.100 Um, they're filling it with technology.

01:09:24.960 You know that they're, they're on the iPhone or they're on the iPad or they're on the Android

01:09:29.460 all day long in far, far too many houses.

01:09:34.380 Um, there is a growing addiction, an actual addiction to technology and social media.

01:09:39.900 And it is a real problem.

01:09:41.060 That's only getting worse.

01:09:42.640 Our guest now, Dr. Nicholas Cardares joins us to talk about it.

01:09:47.100 He's one of the country's foremost addiction experts, and he's developed clinical treatment

01:09:51.840 programs all over the country.

01:09:53.460 He's got a new book out called digital madness, how social media is driving our mental health

01:09:59.040 crisis and how to restore our sanity.

01:10:01.960 It's out soon.

01:10:02.760 You can order it now.

01:10:03.980 And that really helps him because, you know, you get the pre-orders going and then, you

01:10:06.700 know, the Amazon list and all that, the New York times list, they bump you up and they

01:10:10.540 don't like books that, you know, whatever.

01:10:12.700 So just buy it.

01:10:13.560 That's all I'm saying.

01:10:14.520 It's out soon.

01:10:15.400 It offers a blueprint for putting the phone down and living a better life.

01:10:19.880 Nicholas, welcome.

01:10:20.760 Well, thanks for having me on the show.

01:10:22.020 And I've got some tough acts to follow.

01:10:23.620 I've got the queen and the lemon bows and Jesus and God.

01:10:26.980 And it's a lot, a lot, but you know, you're kind of the perfect guest because as I said,

01:10:31.300 in the intro, we've been talking about a lot of these issues, you know, why people are

01:10:34.880 so depressed, why we're so divided, why we're becoming more Marxist in weird ways.

01:10:39.940 And, you know, we've, we've withdrawn from faith, whatever the faith is, and we've embraced

01:10:45.300 emptiness.

01:10:46.880 Like, forgive me, I don't mean to blame it all on the Kardashians, but they are one example

01:10:51.140 of just vanity and selfie culture and narcissism.

01:10:55.000 And in your case, you're focused on technology and just the void of the screen and how dangerous

01:11:03.800 it is and what it's doing to our kids.

01:11:05.320 Let's start there.

01:11:06.340 Yeah.

01:11:06.460 And I think even beyond our kids, you're, you're, you're nailing it when you're saying

01:11:09.480 our society, it's not just our children, it's all of us.

01:11:11.980 So I think the one conundrum that I was looking at over the last few years as an author, a

01:11:16.820 psychologist, a researcher was just the simple equation of as our technology was marching

01:11:22.060 forward, we were digressing and our mental health metrics were skyrocketing.

01:11:27.400 We were at our worst all time in our mental health pre COVID in 2019.

01:11:32.800 We had the worst rates of depression, suicides were over 40,000 overdoses, anxiety, loneliness.

01:11:40.380 And so we were going through this real crisis of mental health and it seemed to correlate

01:11:44.340 with the advancing progression of our dependence on this, this thing, this new way of being that

01:11:50.880 has really snuck up on many of us.

01:11:52.800 So I started really exploring and looking at what was this relationship with our technology

01:11:57.880 love affair.

01:11:59.180 And, and, you know, the one phrase that I think is apt is as we've become mad for our

01:12:03.900 devices, our devices are increasingly driving us mad.

01:12:07.060 And I think the research bears that out.

01:12:09.660 There, there's a crisis of emptiness and technology exacerbates that.

01:12:13.860 And it amplifies certain things in social contagion fashion that are inherently, inherently unhealthy.

01:12:21.760 A crisis of emptiness.

01:12:23.640 Oh my God, that's so sad.

01:12:25.160 And it's very clearly so true.

01:12:28.160 You write about one patient of yours named Susie, who I think embodies this, this, and in fact,

01:12:38.660 was very illuminating to me, uh, as somebody who's followed the, she didn't declare herself

01:12:43.520 trans, but somebody who's followed the whole trans thing very closely, which Abigail Schreier

01:12:47.240 and others have concluded is at least in part as a result of the technology and, uh, it's

01:12:52.820 sort of a social contagion.

01:12:54.020 So the story of Susie gets to this crisis of emptiness.

01:12:57.500 Can you tell that story?

01:12:59.560 Yeah.

01:13:00.120 You know, I, yeah, I think, I think really the debate a few years ago when I first started

01:13:05.180 writing about this was, can we be habituated to our devices?

01:13:07.900 And I think now that's a fed a complete, we, we know that we understand that the clinical

01:13:12.080 world knows that the society understands that, oh yeah, we're, we're addicted to our devices

01:13:17.040 and by design, this is not an accident.

01:13:19.520 This is, you know, the social dilemma and a lot of other documentaries have sort of pulled

01:13:23.600 back the curtain and showed the playbook, but habituation was just the entry point.

01:13:28.520 That was just the price of admission.

01:13:30.420 Once somebody is habituated to a device, now they're much more vulnerable, but I like to

01:13:34.740 call their psychological immune system now is much more vulnerable to a whole host of

01:13:39.260 other influences or behavior modifications or shaping effects.

01:13:43.700 And so our client Susie, like so many, and her real name wasn't Susie obviously, but like

01:13:48.460 so many of the young people that I treat in our programs, which are geared for young adults,

01:13:53.320 um, they've been severely impacted by these shaping influences.

01:13:57.980 You know, they don't call them influencers, uh, without reason.

01:14:01.760 And we've always had influencers, Megan, we've always had the Michael Jordans and the athletes

01:14:06.860 and the celebrities that we wanted to aspire to, but, but social media has made that impact

01:14:12.040 much more pervasive and insidious.

01:14:14.160 And so we're not just trying to be like Mike back in the Michael Jordan days.

01:14:18.220 Now we're, we're getting our values shaped.

01:14:21.400 And now what's interesting.

01:14:23.580 Well, let me back up.

01:14:24.800 We were seeing this depression epidemic that was happening because we weren't evolutionarily

01:14:29.220 designed to be sedentary, isolated screen staring people.

01:14:33.800 Uh, we weren't designed to be that way.

01:14:35.960 We were designed to be social face-to-face community, physically active tethered to things

01:14:41.580 that gave us meaning and value in our lives.

01:14:44.100 And, and the technological information age was a nuclear bomb and all of that.

01:14:48.860 So people started getting more depressed and more empty and filling that void with the

01:14:54.140 shaping influences of Kardashian-esque TikTok influencers.

01:14:59.140 And what was interesting is not only were they beginning to shape, not only were we seeing

01:15:03.440 that they were beginning to shape people's values and how they see the world, but now in,

01:15:09.000 in, in literal site, uh, social contagion fashion, there was spreading things like Tourette's

01:15:14.560 disorder, gender dysphoria, borderline personality disorder.

01:15:18.080 They were emulating the behaviors of their influencers.

01:15:21.940 And some of these influencers who had some of these psychiatric disorders were getting

01:15:26.000 billions of views.

01:15:27.560 These Tourette's influencers on TikTok had over 2 billion views and their teenage followers,

01:15:33.580 these adolescent girls that were following them started manifesting signs of Tourette's

01:15:37.940 disorder.

01:15:39.200 Um, this was an amazing new phenomenon to see just how, uh, impactful some of this stuff,

01:15:45.400 some of this pervasive and insidious, uh, content has been on people.

01:15:49.820 Mm-hmm.

01:15:50.860 Let me just pause for one second, Nicholas, to update the audience.

01:15:55.180 Uh, a tweet coming in from the Royal family.

01:15:58.360 The queen died peacefully at Balmoral this afternoon, the king and the queen consort, meaning Charles

01:16:07.040 and Camilla will remain at Balmoral this evening and will return to London tomorrow with one single

01:16:13.160 black and white photo of Queen Elizabeth, the late Queen Elizabeth.

01:16:17.440 So sad and so, so hard to really get your arms around, you know?

01:16:23.120 I mean, she just seemed like, uh, of course, you know, she's going to pass.

01:16:27.960 She's only human, but she seemed almost otherworldly.

01:16:30.500 Like she, like somehow she would avoid it and she'd be there for us as this steady ship in

01:16:35.620 the storm for, you know, decades to come.

01:16:40.960 You know, and I'm sad to hear that because I, unlike some other Americans, I'm a fan of

01:16:45.500 the Royal family.

01:16:46.060 I think there's something to be said for the, the ritual and the tethering of, uh, our culture

01:16:52.100 and certain important hallmarks.

01:16:54.180 It gives us a sense of bearing, cultural bearing, societal bearing.

01:16:58.200 And I think that's a big part of what's been evaporating.

01:17:01.780 And we've lost some of these iconic influences and now they've been replaced by some of the

01:17:08.240 stuff that we were just talking about.

01:17:10.040 Yes.

01:17:10.540 Yes.

01:17:11.080 That's such a good point.

01:17:12.980 You know, her class and her dignity and her grace and sense of public service and sacrifice

01:17:19.480 of self.

01:17:20.420 We're living in a world now that's exactly the opposite of that.

01:17:24.680 Right, right, right.

01:17:27.080 And, and self-centric, egocentric.

01:17:29.220 Um, part of what I really try to really raise a red flag about is that some of the values

01:17:35.600 that something, somebody like the queen embrace in my book, digital madness.

01:17:38.420 I wrote about my father who grew up in, uh, Greece during world war II.

01:17:42.940 And so the Nazis destroy his entire village and murder all the adult males in this town.

01:17:47.660 And, you know, my father was an old school Greek immigrant from a different time in a different

01:17:52.660 place, but he had such a clarity of mind and thought, you know, when you've gone through

01:17:56.940 the, that kind of life, when you've seen real war and famine, it, it crystallizes what's

01:18:05.300 important in life.

01:18:06.220 And my father always had that clarity until he died of cancer a couple of years ago.

01:18:09.640 And, and I feel kind of like you're saying with the queen now, we've lost the wisdom of some

01:18:15.280 of our elders that really were giving us this sense of direction and up is down and left

01:18:21.180 is right and male is female.

01:18:23.240 And it's all connected.

01:18:24.500 I think all of this is sort of creating a mass confusion.

01:18:27.860 That's creating this unwellness that we're struggling through.

01:18:30.800 Um, there's no sense of mooring.

01:18:33.680 There's no sense of bearing.

01:18:35.720 And so people are just, I think a lot of the young people that I work with are drifting.

01:18:40.120 They, they're just feeling empty and they're not, they're confused.

01:18:43.280 And I get it.

01:18:43.960 I mean, we've all been through, you know, I think all of us who have been through high

01:18:47.120 school have been through any kind of transitional periods in their lives, understand what it might

01:18:51.520 be like to be confused and trying to find meaning in the world.

01:18:54.820 And it's just not readily available right now because the world right now is a very confusing

01:18:59.620 place.

01:19:01.100 Yeah.

01:19:01.660 So you, you look at Queen Elizabeth and you think there's a woman who understood what

01:19:05.860 duty, honor country means the same way our Marines do.

01:19:09.760 Like she understood it.

01:19:11.000 She lived it duty, honor country.

01:19:13.840 And our teens today are focused on this device, which either fits in their pocket or spits on

01:19:19.720 the seat back in front of them, which drives hate, self-loathing prizes, victimhood.

01:19:27.940 Um, I heard a great quote in this book I'm reading the other day.

01:19:30.700 Um, suffering is universal.

01:19:33.560 Victimhood is a choice.

01:19:35.140 And instead of stiff upper lip, Queen of England approaching, you know, approach to the world,

01:19:41.040 we're telling our kids online today, victimhood is to be prized.

01:19:45.640 It's to be celebrated.

01:19:46.600 It makes you special.

01:19:47.580 And they're actually finding, finding ways to declare themselves a victim that aren't

01:19:53.420 even authentic to them.

01:19:54.940 That was what was so remarkable to me in your story about Susie, who said, I've got, I've

01:19:59.540 been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.

01:20:01.700 And the deeper you looked, the more you realized she doesn't, she doesn't have borderline personality.

01:20:06.780 This, she doesn't have any of the signs of that.

01:20:08.540 Somebody who has that has had difficulty making relationships their whole lives and so on and

01:20:12.140 so forth.

01:20:12.520 This is a person who saw this discussed online and then decided to start doing some of the

01:20:18.860 things that somebody who really has it does as, forgive me for using this term, but like

01:20:24.680 to sort of glom on and embrace the traits of it.

01:20:30.100 Well, that's exactly right.

01:20:31.140 And the way that I've come to view social media, it's, it's almost like a, like a living organism,

01:20:35.520 right?

01:20:36.420 It's like a, this organism that feeds off of our most primal vitriolic emotions, right?

01:20:42.220 So social media gets fed by the most toxic content, you know, whether it's political

01:20:47.860 or psychiatric, you know, we feed the beast and then the beast in turn feeds us through

01:20:52.820 predictive algorithms and really, really sophisticated, um, behavior modification techniques will like,

01:21:00.340 like heat seeking missiles.

01:21:01.700 The algorithms will find our psychological vulnerabilities.

01:21:05.480 So if you're a young teenage girl with body image issues, the content that you'll be exposed

01:21:11.280 to is going to really compromise it.

01:21:13.740 Well, it's going to engage you because it knows, right?

01:21:15.960 This beast, this, the social media entity understands that somebody that's concerned about, um, their

01:21:21.800 weight, or if they have a, uh, the propensity for an eating disorder, they can't stop rubbernecking

01:21:27.300 at content that is unhealthy.

01:21:29.460 They're going to look at that and it's going to amplify their psychiatric distress.

01:21:33.540 It's going to make their eating disorder worse.

01:21:35.620 And, and that's what this thing is.

01:21:37.640 And if, uh, from a political spectrum, if we're extreme left or extreme, right, the, the

01:21:43.920 algorithm senses that and feeds us in what's called an extremification loop, more and more

01:21:48.840 of that toxic content, because we know that that activates our lizard brain.

01:21:52.940 We can't look away, but it makes us more and more unwell, more and more.

01:21:57.960 The, the thing that I, that I hypothesize is I think what it's done to our young people

01:22:02.180 is it's also made them, um, not nuanced.

01:22:05.140 It's made them black.

01:22:06.300 It's changed the structure of how they process information to be black and white thinkers.

01:22:10.720 Um, it's really difficult.

01:22:12.160 I've been a professor.

01:22:12.960 I was a professor at Stony Brook university for 10 years and you saw each year, young

01:22:18.800 people were less and less able to hold, uh, uh, a conversation that was, uh, used critical

01:22:24.540 thinking that used logic that used reason.

01:22:27.480 It was real, all emotional reactivity and, and that's being fomented by this thing, by this

01:22:33.580 thing that we're calling social media that feeds off of that, that drives that.

01:22:37.120 And what you talked about is what I talk about is the antidote civics, um, honor.

01:22:43.680 Um, cause I'm a big, um, I've studied the classics, classical philosophy.

01:22:47.320 And I do believe that the antidote to the modern is the ancient and what the ancients talked

01:22:52.260 about was how to develop your abilities to critically think, how to develop a sense of civic

01:22:57.160 responsibility, um, how to break through the narcissism of egocentrism.

01:23:02.140 And if you think also about what the digital landscape does, it curates a digital world that

01:23:09.260 is me centric, right?

01:23:11.620 Because the algorithms read what your, uh, what your interests are, what your tendencies

01:23:16.060 are, and then they feed them back to you.

01:23:18.600 So of course, a young person is going to think that the world is created in their image because

01:23:22.120 that's what their digital world is.

01:23:23.700 It's created in their image by these predictive algorithms.

01:23:27.640 So it feeds this narcissistic tendency.

01:23:31.180 And that's what we're having to sort of break out of because it's narcissism, this emptiness

01:23:35.820 is, is the disease now.

01:23:38.600 Yes.

01:23:39.180 Well, you mentioned, I know that you're a big fan of the Stoics read Marcus Aurelius read

01:23:43.600 some of our, our philosophers, our great philosophers who came before us to keep a foothold in the

01:23:49.140 past in these great philosophies that have been thought through and written down for

01:23:53.400 the rest of us.

01:23:54.680 I mean, not to compare Queen Elizabeth to Socrates, but in a way, I think that's why I feel sad.

01:24:00.480 I think that's why we're both feeling sad.

01:24:02.420 It's like, we've lost somebody who was of that ilk, who was a serious person, who was

01:24:09.200 a deep thinker, who cared about more than just herself.

01:24:12.140 And like the stories, just reading up on her understanding that, you know, she was late

01:24:17.080 in her life.

01:24:17.520 And as a news person, you want to make sure you know what's going on.

01:24:20.460 She, it's not that she was humorless.

01:24:22.800 It's not like she was unable to have a good time and do all the things that we all want

01:24:26.660 to do while we're here.

01:24:27.580 If we should be so lucky to live 96 years.

01:24:29.980 But she had a seriousness about her, which I respected and obviously was incredibly well

01:24:34.640 read.

01:24:35.760 One of the stories is quickly, Nick, because I, I think it's, it's fun to hear these stories

01:24:40.060 and remember the full person was when she came to America.

01:24:43.360 She met with president Gerald Ford.

01:24:44.900 This is 1976.

01:24:46.100 She was sworn in.

01:24:47.020 She was coronated in 53.

01:24:48.880 I think her dad died in 52.

01:24:51.260 And so she's, she comes to visit Gerald Ford.

01:24:55.700 And first of all, he took her on the, on the dance floor.

01:24:59.320 And when the band began playing, they inadvertently started playing the lady as a tramp, which I'm

01:25:05.240 sure she got somewhat of a kick out of, but then she met their son.

01:25:10.060 At the residence, at the, the, the, the president Ford's residence, he was 24 and he was wearing

01:25:16.360 jeans and a t-shirt and the queen reassured the first lady at the time saying, don't worry,

01:25:21.220 Betty, I have one of those at home too.

01:25:23.760 You know, she was a mom.

01:25:24.920 She was, she had a sense of humor.

01:25:26.360 She was a realist.

01:25:27.020 She loved America too.

01:25:28.300 Um, one by one, we lose them and we get people who like tell us they're a different gender

01:25:36.200 or even a different species on Tuesday than they were on Monday.

01:25:39.340 And we have to pretend like that's real and they're, they're making their way into government

01:25:43.100 too.

01:25:43.440 I mean, they're starting to run the country.

01:25:44.480 If you see some of the things on Twitter today, about half of Biden's cabinet, it's

01:25:47.980 downright alarming.

01:25:48.620 So that brings me to this.

01:25:50.620 What do we do?

01:25:51.820 Because I know like Abigail Schreier has said, and this is what I would do too, that if your

01:25:57.180 kid comes home and you know, without having had any gender dysphoria from age two, which

01:26:01.480 they will have if they genuinely suffer from gender dysphoria, if they come home at 16 and

01:26:06.840 suddenly say I'm trans or your kid suddenly comes up at 16 and says, I'm now a cutter.

01:26:11.280 I have borderline personality disorder, something they didn't sure.

01:26:15.600 She says, you're taking a six month, a year long trip to Europe.

01:26:20.120 The phone doesn't come.

01:26:21.400 The screens don't come, you know, wherever it could be camping.

01:26:23.800 It doesn't have to be Europe, but I'm just saying, get them away.

01:26:26.500 Get like, there is a way of addressing this addiction and it's pernicious effect on your

01:26:32.580 child's mental health.

01:26:34.900 Yeah, it's an invasive, it's an invasive species that, well, I, I created to a digital social

01:26:40.480 virus and so, and that's where we're knowing that it's, when it's, when is it the real

01:26:45.020 psychiatric disorder?

01:26:46.040 When is it real authentic gender dysphoria or borderline personality disorder?

01:26:50.340 It's when you remove the toxin, when you remove the social media and if the symptoms go away,

01:26:56.300 then it wasn't the real deal.

01:26:57.700 If the person's still struggling with, you know, typically those disorders show themselves

01:27:01.220 very early on in early infancy.

01:27:03.240 So they don't tend to manifest themselves in late adolescence.

01:27:06.440 So a lot of these are social contagions.

01:27:08.480 I, I, as a psychologist, I fully acknowledge gender dysphoria, but the, the, the exponential

01:27:16.740 spike that we've been seeing over the last five to 10 years clearly is you can trace back

01:27:22.660 to the social contagion effect, but we've not only normalized, we've tried to normalize

01:27:27.180 gender dysphoria, but now we've, we've idealized it.

01:27:29.680 Now it's cool to be trans and, and we are a social species and teenagers who are struggling

01:27:34.440 with our identity are going to think that the solutions to some of their discomfort is

01:27:39.420 external.

01:27:40.460 In addiction, we know that sometimes when people struggle with their own lives and they're

01:27:44.820 trying to escape, they do what's called a geographic.

01:27:47.180 So an addict who hates their lives might move to Los Angeles because they think, well, the

01:27:51.660 solution is, is in Los Angeles.

01:27:53.360 I'm doing a geographic.

01:27:54.580 I think gender dysphoria in a lot of cases and a lot of our psychiatric, assuming some

01:28:00.880 of these psychiatric behaviors is doing sort of a biological geographic.

01:28:06.480 You don't like who you are.

01:28:07.620 You're going through some depression or some other types of issues.

01:28:10.340 And you say, well, Hey, the solution might be maybe if I change my biology or if I change

01:28:15.160 and I assume this other identity.

01:28:16.860 Um, and that's clearly not the answer because the answer is internal.

01:28:19.940 Um, you know, sometimes these, these are real psychiatric issues, but the percentages tend

01:28:25.360 to be really small, not the numbers that we've been seeing over the last five to 10 years.

01:28:29.960 They clearly have been driven by social media.

01:28:32.920 And even Erica Anderson, Dr. Anderson, the 70 year old trans psychologist has said the same.

01:28:38.780 She said, this has gone too far.

01:28:40.340 And clearly these, these are being amplified by quarantines, COVID and social media increases

01:28:47.460 in young people's lives.

01:28:49.580 Yeah.

01:28:49.980 We had that.

01:28:50.440 We had Dr. Anderson on the show and made a lot of sense.

01:28:53.580 And I mean, it was very sensible about the whole issue, but how do you know, right?

01:28:58.900 Because you can't, you can't really disconnect your child from all technology in today's day

01:29:04.120 and age.

01:29:04.760 And so is it the same, you know, I, I like to think if my child, God forbid, you know, they're

01:29:08.840 young, but like if they start drinking or started taking drugs and it crosses over to a place

01:29:13.740 where it's not just like a kid being a kid, but an addiction, I like to think, I'd know

01:29:18.300 I feel the same about technology, but it's trickier because that they can do in your home

01:29:25.220 while you're there and you're distracted and you, it's not like they come out smelling like

01:29:30.520 marijuana after they've been on the iPad for eight hours.

01:29:34.380 Right.

01:29:34.860 So how do you know I was, I was an expert witness on the Capitol murder case in Palm

01:29:39.900 Beach County earlier this year where there was a 16 year old Palm Beach County, a white

01:29:45.440 suburban, you know, skater looking kid who got radicalized into Islam and became an ISIS

01:29:51.420 warrior through constant YouTube exposure to, he started going down the YouTube rabbit

01:29:56.780 hole through ISIS and they indoctrinated him in his bedroom over the course of several months.

01:30:01.660 And he committed one of the most horrific murders that I don't have to go over now,

01:30:06.700 but, um, this once young, nice kid and his mother, his single mom thought he was just up

01:30:12.360 in his bedroom, you know, on the computer.

01:30:14.520 She didn't realize that he went in the period of six to eight months from nice kid who wouldn't

01:30:19.640 hurt a fly to essentially someone who decapitated someone, a 13 year old with, with, with a 13

01:30:26.040 inch knife and the mother had ostensibly had no idea.

01:30:29.860 And I'd like to think I'm a parent of 15 year old twin boys.

01:30:32.800 I'd like to think as parents, we'd have some sense of that things are changing.

01:30:37.800 The behaviors are changing, but I have seen it happen very rapidly too, where over the

01:30:42.860 course of a couple of weeks or a summer, somebody can entirely change their identity because

01:30:50.020 of this emptiness that I'm talking about.

01:30:51.900 So if you don't have countervailing influences, now I think if we're trying to be good parents,

01:30:57.000 you're a mom, I'm a dad.

01:30:58.260 We try to get our kids involved in activities and sports and music and things that give them

01:31:03.800 a sense of mooring, um, and what, and some faith-based also helps, um, because if they

01:31:09.160 don't have that, every kid wants to belong to something, to a team, they're going to find

01:31:14.140 something more toxic or more toxic team to belong to.

01:31:16.880 If they don't have something healthier to tether themselves to, so part of the antidote

01:31:20.680 is keep them tethered to something healthy.

01:31:23.240 So good.

01:31:24.060 That's such good advice.

01:31:25.280 Yes.

01:31:25.640 Because a lot of the times you see these kids who are, you know, it's absentee parents and

01:31:30.500 they're the ones who are most at risk and not just for this kind of thing, but for sex

01:31:34.780 trafficking off the internet.

01:31:36.200 I mean, it's just a very dangerous place and your kid should never be sitting in his or

01:31:40.620 her room for hours at a time with the door closed and the internet in there.

01:31:44.620 It's just, it's just not a smart idea while they're still developing.

01:31:47.760 You got to monitor them more closely.

01:31:51.140 Yeah.

01:31:51.600 It's a portal to, like I said, because of the way social media is designed, you know,

01:31:57.040 I do think that there's a Frankenstein monster effect.

01:31:59.320 I think that the big tech moguls have created this Frankenstein monster that quite honestly,

01:32:04.380 I think they've lost control over because it's, it is now morphing and evolving in ways

01:32:08.680 that I think some of them never even predicted as well, but let's not kid ourselves.

01:32:12.240 I mean, big tech, you know, five people right now are controlling or the most powerful people

01:32:17.920 that have ever lived on the planet.

01:32:20.180 You know, JD Rockefeller as the head of standard oil controlled one commodity oil.

01:32:25.800 These five men, these five white men are the gatekeepers into our thoughts, our emotions,

01:32:32.880 our children, our lives.

01:32:34.340 They can shape and control everything.

01:32:37.260 And so not only are they more wealthy than anybody's ever been, but the level of control

01:32:43.200 that they have, even a despotic dictator was only able to physically control your body,

01:32:48.500 right?

01:32:48.760 The, the, they could throw you into the gulag, but they couldn't control your mind.

01:32:52.780 But now the big tech gatekeepers through, you know, I, I can't stand this misinformation,

01:32:59.580 disinformation, nonsense, you know, just Orwellian reshaping of information and thinking that

01:33:05.140 we need gatekeepers to let us know what's real and what's not.

01:33:08.760 And who, who made, who made some Twitter gatekeeper, the arbiter of what's real and what's not.

01:33:14.300 That's, you know, I'm a real free speech purist.

01:33:17.280 And that's the other part of this thing is now we're having people control what reality

01:33:21.640 is, what's up and what's down.

01:33:23.320 And we've seen that abused from everything from the Hunter Biden case to the lab leak

01:33:28.000 theory.

01:33:28.500 I mean, I, I got COVID very early on and I remember the first month it was March, 2020

01:33:33.400 reading about the Wuhan virology lab and thinking, oh, well, I'm not a virologist, but it makes

01:33:39.240 sense that this might be a possible source of this disinformation, but it was disinformation.

01:33:46.300 Listen, I think this is an important book.

01:33:48.820 I want everybody to read this just for the sake of your family and for our society.

01:33:52.660 It's called Digital Madness.

01:33:54.500 Again, it's available right now for pre-order on Amazon and with other booksellers.

01:33:59.260 Nicholas, thank you so much.

01:34:00.140 Please come back.

01:34:00.980 We didn't even get to your amazing backstory, which, you know, the queen took up some of

01:34:04.860 our time, but, but please buy the book and read about what Nicholas has been through

01:34:09.000 to find out for yourself.

01:34:10.680 He knows of what he speaks.

01:34:12.140 All the best to you.

01:34:14.140 Thank you, Megan.

01:34:15.600 We looked up the quote that Calvin Robinson said at the beginning of the queen.

01:34:19.880 And, um, it really is just as moving as you think, as you would think it would be.

01:34:26.160 Queen Elizabeth, dead at age 96, at age 21.

01:34:31.300 This is what she said.

01:34:32.120 I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted

01:34:40.020 to your service and to the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong.

01:34:46.520 She did that and much, much more.

01:34:50.940 Uh, she will be missed and we will have full coverage of the passing of the queen and a

01:34:56.300 new king of England tomorrow.

01:34:58.700 Thank you so much for being with us.

01:35:02.220 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:35:04.520 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 08, 2022

Queen Elizabeth II Dies, and the Left's Divisiveness, with David and Christen Limbaugh, Calvin Robinson, and Dr. Nicholas Kardaras ｜ Ep. 387

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