The Megyn Kelly Show - Reckoning with Horror of Charlotte Stabbing, and Kamala's Complaints, with Megan Basham, Heather Mac Donald, Allie Beth Stuckey, and Mike Solana ｜ Ep 1145

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00:01:01.360 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:13.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.880 It is a video that normally you wouldn't see on camera on a show like this or any other

00:01:21.880 because it is disturbing and it is of an innocent woman being murdered.

00:01:26.700 Our typical approach in media is you don't show the actual moment of someone's death.

00:01:31.600 It's just a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, an unwritten guideline that we all follow.

00:01:38.340 But we're not going to follow it today.

00:01:41.540 And for really good reason.

00:01:43.460 I'm sick of this shit.

00:01:46.420 Everyone has to look at this.

00:01:48.160 You have to, I'm sorry, you have to look at it.

00:01:51.660 You have to, I have to, we all have, no one wants to see this, but we must see this because

00:01:57.720 it's intentionally been kept hidden from us, not just in this case, but what's happening

00:02:04.180 in this country has been hidden from us, from people in authority positions when it comes

00:02:10.640 to law enforcement, most specifically DAs, weak judges, and those around them, politicians

00:02:16.200 and media that would love to show us George Floyd under the knee of Derek Chauvin all day

00:02:23.500 long on loop, but wanted to totally ignore the story of 23 year old Irena Zarutska here

00:02:32.220 from Ukraine for a better life.

00:02:34.160 They don't want to show you how inhumane her murder was because she's white and her killer 1.00

00:02:42.280 was black.

00:02:43.320 That's it.

00:02:45.580 He has to be protected.

00:02:47.040 You see, because he's a black, this is ridiculous. 1.00

00:02:50.780 No sane black American would think it's racist to show this video simply because the perpetrator

00:03:00.660 was black.

00:03:01.440 Only racist lunatics on the left and in our media walk away with that conclusion.

00:03:07.900 That's, that's a leftist narrative that's untrue.

00:03:12.160 And they're all bowing to it right now and trying to avoid discussing this case altogether.

00:03:18.600 They're desperate to avoid discussing it.

00:03:21.600 The full video of one angle of the attack was released by Headline USA.

00:03:28.380 That's a news outlet out of Charlotte, North Carolina.

00:03:30.820 The outlet said it filed a freedom of information request and received the full raw video.

00:03:35.620 That outlet did blur the actual stabbing out of respect for the family.

00:03:39.160 I get that.

00:03:39.920 That's, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:03:42.040 It's an individual decision.

00:03:44.180 The raw video was released to local news outlets on Friday, but none of those stations

00:03:49.200 made it available to the public.

00:03:50.700 I don't know about you.

00:03:53.320 When I saw this on X yesterday, I was, it's, I'm still so jarred by it.

00:03:58.180 I'm so jarred by it.

00:03:59.360 And I want to tell you something.

00:04:00.480 I said this on morning update, AM update this morning.

00:04:04.200 It's not, it's not exactly because of the gore or the inhumanity of the stabbing.

00:04:10.900 Those are there and present and effective, affecting on the, on the viewer, but it's, it's because

00:04:19.560 of her.

00:04:20.920 That's what's so awful.

00:04:23.680 It's because this young girl came here for a better life.

00:04:26.840 She was 23.

00:04:28.040 She had everything in front of her.

00:04:29.440 She didn't mooch off the system. 0.97

00:04:31.500 She didn't sit like a barnacle collecting other people's tax money. 1.00

00:04:36.540 She got a job at a pizzeria.

00:04:38.260 She volunteered to help animals and she was coming home from her pizzeria shift.

00:04:44.880 She didn't have a glamorous life. 0.98

00:04:47.220 She was in her little uniform, no makeup, just trying to get from A to B.

00:04:53.320 And after she was attacked and killed, she had maybe 60 seconds of life left in her.

00:05:02.420 And you see it.

00:05:04.400 You see her struggling to understand what just happened to her and obviously scared, terrorized.

00:05:13.560 And, and in a way, the most disturbing part is her confusion.

00:05:18.660 She's confused.

00:05:20.140 It's clear she doesn't know what just happened to her,

00:05:22.320 but you do.

00:05:24.480 We do.

00:05:26.640 It, I don't know.

00:05:28.460 I don't remember feeling this way watching another video,

00:05:31.220 which is why we have to watch it.

00:05:33.000 We have to show it and we have to discuss it.

00:05:35.120 I'm telling you, this is a tipping point.

00:05:38.020 This is a tipping point.

00:05:40.160 This is the official end to the BLM madness that infected our criminal justice system, 1.00

00:05:46.420 that took hold of it and still has hold of it in, in terms of the way we approach, yes, policing,

00:05:54.260 but more importantly, arguably who we put on the bench, the policies that we ask them to pursue,

00:06:01.460 the infection of DEI at every level of the criminal justice system.

00:06:07.260 These weak-kneed judges, politicians, magistrate judges like the one here,

00:06:13.220 who know they have a mentally deranged, dangerous lunatic standing before them

00:06:19.320 and don't even have the balls to withhold them,

00:06:23.140 to make them remain custodial in jail pending the trial on the charges before them,

00:06:29.500 never mind to work to institutionalize them,

00:06:32.880 to do some hard-handed referral to an institution where they could actually be committed,

00:06:37.480 which is next to impossible in the United States of America anyway.

00:06:42.660 We're going to air the video now.

00:06:45.100 As we know from the videos released on Friday,

00:06:47.340 there was zero interaction between 34-year-old suspect,

00:06:51.700 but we have to call him a suspect because legally that's what he is right now,

00:06:54.500 to Carlos Brown Jr. and Irena Zarutska before he began starring, stabbing her.

00:07:02.420 As you can see here, Brown stands up.

00:07:04.860 He immediately begins plunging the knife into her neck.

00:07:08.720 It's quick. It's over already.

00:07:10.300 It was three seconds long into her neck and upper body.

00:07:14.420 He struck her three times, at least once in the neck.

00:07:17.300 She looks up at him in utter shock, fear, terror.

00:07:21.220 After the attack, she sits cowering with her knees pulled in in a defensive position. 0.96

00:07:27.180 Here she falls over. 0.99

00:07:28.540 Oh, it's so awful.

00:07:29.860 But there is a moment where she covers her mouth.

00:07:32.560 She covers her eyes.

00:07:34.280 She looks at the other passengers.

00:07:35.760 She looks down at her own body,

00:07:38.120 seeming to check whether and where she was injured.

00:07:43.120 She doesn't realize yet that the injuries are so catastrophic.

00:07:48.080 She is about to die from them.

00:07:49.660 Brown walks over to the door,

00:07:52.700 but then for a split second walks back over near her.

00:07:56.400 She sits there for several seconds with her hand over her mouth.

00:07:59.520 You don't hear her scream, maybe because she couldn't.

00:08:04.080 She begins to lose consciousness.

00:08:06.080 She slumps over to her left side in the adjacent empty seat,

00:08:10.980 and then her body appears to crumble onto the floor.

00:08:14.520 This is an image of Zaritska from that video.

00:08:18.680 She had just been stabbed.

00:08:19.860 She had just been stabbed to death, but had not yet died.

00:08:24.880 She's looking up at her killer.

00:08:26.720 It is a look of fright, confusion, terror, almost one of betrayal.

00:08:37.480 There's something about her eyes that suggests a betrayal that she didn't know.

00:08:42.660 She didn't know that the social compact here in the United States has been broken.

00:08:45.660 She didn't know that we allow dangerous lunatics to roam our streets and our subways and our light trains,

00:08:52.540 light rail cars in a city like Charlotte, North Carolina, endangering her life when she goes home from the pizzeria.

00:08:58.860 She didn't know she trusted us.

00:09:00.160 You know, she shouldn't have trusted us.

00:09:05.160 We should not be trusting us.

00:09:07.360 The social compact has been willingly destroyed by the BLM crew. 1.00

00:09:14.600 That ends now.

00:09:16.460 That's why we're showing you this.

00:09:17.860 From the time Irena slumps over to the time the first bystander begins to help her, it's about a minute and 20 seconds.

00:09:28.160 A minute and 20 seconds.

00:09:29.780 One man who was sitting in the seats behind Brown gets up and walks over, but does not bend down to help her,

00:09:35.740 despite the blood beginning to pour out of her. 0.99

00:09:39.480 You see a woman who is seated in the aisle right beside Zaritska.

00:09:43.940 She's basically next to her, but across the aisle.

00:09:46.060 She gets up, but does not bend down to help Zaritska at all.

00:09:53.100 Another man walks up.

00:09:54.440 He points at Zaritska, but does not offer help.

00:09:57.880 I mean, a minute and 20 seconds.

00:10:00.260 It's a painfully long time when you watch the video.

00:10:03.240 You do not understand why they are not helping her.

00:10:06.540 The only thing I can hope for is that they were confused and they didn't realize what had happened.

00:10:12.720 But soon the blood begins pouring out of this poor girl, and it's really hard to understand how there's not a mass reaction on board that train.

00:10:23.020 I'm going to show you that piece of the video right here so you understand how long she was lying on the floor alone.

00:10:28.720 You can hear there's no panic.

00:10:43.180 You see an empty seat here because, look at this, she's reaching up to grab her phone. 0.94

00:10:49.140 She's down.

00:10:49.920 She's down on the floor here. 0.95

00:10:51.620 You can see her hand moving.

00:10:53.440 She's alive.

00:10:55.000 She's reaching, we believe, for her phone.

00:10:56.560 Someone's dying next to you.

00:11:17.620 No one's helping her.

00:11:18.760 They're milling about.

00:11:22.480 There goes the lady in the red shirt who is her seat neighbor. 1.00

00:11:25.080 Bye.

00:11:26.140 You've been utterly useless.

00:11:27.660 You've done absolutely fucking nothing.

00:11:30.180 You made eye contact with her.

00:11:32.200 You looked at her.

00:11:33.120 And then you looked out the window.

00:11:34.560 We saw you.

00:11:37.560 They're milling about like she's not even down.

00:11:40.040 We're still in the minute 20.

00:11:48.160 Here comes the man in the green shirt.

00:11:51.640 And I want to tell the audience in that video we just showed, I didn't notice it the first time I watched the video because I was looking at the bystanders wondering why they weren't doing anything.

00:12:00.900 And then I watched it a second time and the most disturbing part of the video is she's gone down, you know she's down, and there's the half wall that's dividing the front of her seat from the area where people disembark from the train.

00:12:18.380 Like the small little half wall, she had her feet up on it after she was attacked, and she's down, her head is down on the floor now, and you see blood, very bright red blood start to come out underneath that half wall.

00:12:36.880 And by the end, it is absolutely spurting.

00:12:41.660 It's projectile.

00:12:44.080 That's the damage that man inflicted in those three seconds.

00:12:46.800 It is very clear that she needed assistance.

00:12:52.160 It was not until that last man we saw at the end of the video, an unidentified man still in a green shirt, rushes over and bends down to begin helping her.

00:13:02.140 For what it's worth, because this does have racial elements, this is a person of color, have no idea what his heritage is, whether he's black, Hispanic, Indian, I don't know.

00:13:13.680 But he helps her.

00:13:14.800 He works on her alone for several minutes while also calling 911.

00:13:21.360 It is unclear whether others had already called for help.

00:13:25.920 At one point, a young woman does rush in then to help.

00:13:29.220 The man in the green shirt takes off his shirt, apparently to try to use it to stop the bleeding.

00:13:33.860 At times, they're seen caressing her face.

00:13:36.420 A short time later, another man rushes in to help.

00:13:40.260 None of these people was sitting near Zaritska when the attack happened.

00:13:44.240 Those people appear to have just bailed.

00:13:46.420 These are folks who rushed in to help when they did realize something was wrong.

00:13:49.840 At one point, it appears the man in the green shirt gets Zaritska's ID and shows it to the other two.

00:13:56.260 We don't know for sure, but as parents, we can only hope someone was calling her by her name.

00:14:02.160 Maybe someone said, Irina, you'll be okay. 0.97

00:14:08.160 We're here.

00:14:08.800 And maybe that comforted her in her final moments here on Earth.

00:14:14.580 When she looked for help in the end, people did care enough to know her name.

00:14:19.480 But those weren't the people who could have prevented this death.

00:14:22.620 Those people are politicians.

00:14:26.420 Those people are people like the governor of North Carolina.

00:14:29.760 The one right before this one and Governor Josh Stein, the local DA, the mayor, the magistrate judge, the district court judge,

00:14:39.380 who allowed this guy back on the street when they knew he was mentally unwell and dangerous.

00:14:45.760 They knew both of those things.

00:14:47.240 The media won't talk to you about that.

00:14:49.160 You watch CNN, you're just going to hear that he was mentally ill.

00:14:53.220 Poor guy.

00:14:54.720 Mentally ill.

00:14:55.700 Van Jones literally said, hurt people, hurt people.

00:15:00.180 What in the actual F?

00:15:03.620 He was mentally ill.

00:15:04.960 He had schizophrenia.

00:15:06.300 And he was dangerous.

00:15:07.840 Not everyone who's mentally ill is dangerous.

00:15:10.260 No one's talking about mandatory lockups for everyone who is mentally ill.

00:15:14.860 There is a significant faction of the mentally ill who are also dangerous.

00:15:20.780 And this guy was at the top of the list.

00:15:24.200 And they just kept revolving dooring him right back out to an unsuspecting public.

00:15:30.680 This was not only not surprising, it was bound to happen.

00:15:36.300 And it's bound to happen in your city, too.

00:15:39.020 And it is happening.

00:15:40.500 It is happening in your city.

00:15:42.040 You don't hear about it because the media won't discuss it for all sorts of reasons.

00:15:46.500 Do you have any doubt that this story would be getting shoved down your throat?

00:15:51.820 Just imagine, just imagine if that perpetrator had been a white 22-year-old male killing a cowering black young woman on her way home from her pizzeria job.

00:16:05.320 This story would be leading the news everywhere.

00:16:10.420 We would be having riots in the street.

00:16:14.460 Nothing.

00:16:15.600 Even today.

00:16:16.280 I mean, think of how many times, how many days the George Floyd story dominated the news.

00:16:20.800 And he was a derelict career criminal, too.

00:16:23.660 They cared more about him.

00:16:24.560 How everybody in the country knows the name of this Kilmar Obrego Garcia, this, you know, Maryland man who's been a wife abuser, a trafficker of illegals.

00:16:36.140 The list of accusations against him is long, very long, including from his own wife.

00:16:41.580 Everyone knows his name.

00:16:42.680 On the New York Times homepage now, it's not even there.

00:16:46.320 Washington Post, not even there.

00:16:47.840 They don't care about this story.

00:16:51.480 They're not really interested when white people get killed by black people. 0.97

00:16:54.500 It doesn't fit any narrative.

00:16:56.300 And therefore, it's just crimes.

00:16:57.940 Free country.

00:16:58.480 It happens.

00:16:59.320 It's just.

00:17:01.160 Look, this is the official end.

00:17:03.980 End of the Black Lives Matter mania. 0.92

00:17:07.340 And it has to end.

00:17:09.260 It has to be reversed policy wise and legally.

00:17:12.040 And that's going to require accountability.

00:17:13.840 That's going to require the people who got us into this mess to say they're sorry and undo it.

00:17:19.340 And actual finger pointing by those of us who have been keeping the receipts when it comes to those who got us into this mess.

00:17:26.360 Because not everybody went along.

00:17:29.040 There were many of us who stood up at the time and said, this is insanity.

00:17:33.100 And these are lies we're being told.

00:17:35.600 Lies. 0.99

00:17:36.940 And I've got three very important such people with me today.

00:17:41.800 Megan Basham is a reporter for The Daily Wire.

00:17:44.760 Heather McDonald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor for City Journal and author of When Race Trumps Merit.

00:17:52.660 And Allie Beth Stuckey is host of the Relatable podcast and author of Toxic Empathy.

00:17:59.820 What a phrase given this news story.

00:18:02.600 Ladies, thank you all so much for being here today.

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00:19:05.580 Heather, let me start with you as, you know, in a way, the mother of us all on this.

00:19:11.360 I mean, I'm sure everybody looking at you has been influenced by you and your writings and your expertise on this subject.

00:19:15.740 And you are somebody who has told the truth from the beginning, been called every name in the book, only to be proven right time and time again.

00:19:24.780 And so when you hear Van Jones and others like him look at this situation with that absurd recitation about hurt people, what's your thought?

00:19:37.380 I agree with you totally, Megan.

00:19:39.180 I think this has got to be the end.

00:19:40.900 And the elites have been perpetrating a complete lie, which is that white people are the biggest threat facing black people today, that the criminal justice system is racist, that we live in a white supremacist society.

00:19:57.720 That lie has given them enormous power, and the lie is what gave us the unbelievably heart-wrenching death of Ms. Zarutska, because based on the lie of criminal justice system racism, we have been decriminalizing, we have been deprosecuting long before George Floyd.

00:20:21.200 But after the George Floyd race riots, it became an absolute mania, and we are refusing to inflict just punishment because doing so will have a disparate impact on black criminals.

00:20:37.020 And the Roy Coopers of the world, who you mentioned, that introduced racial equity considerations into North Carolina and Charlotte, that we're incarcerating too many black and Hispanic criminals, they are the embodiment of that lie. 0.99

00:20:55.840 And let's just look again at the statistics, Megan.

00:20:58.740 And it cannot be further from the truth.

00:21:03.160 President Biden, President Obama used to go around saying that black parents were right to fear that their children would be killed every time they stepped outside implicitly by either a police officer or a white person.

00:21:16.180 No, the reality of interracial crime is exactly the opposite.

00:21:20.140 It is what we have seen in this video.

00:21:22.680 This video is a synecdoche for the reality of America.

00:21:26.720 In 2023, the National Academy of Sciences, a liberal left elite institution, published a report authored by, among others, Bruce Western, who is a leftist at Columbia University, that said that the amount of white on black homicides in the United States was so negligible to not really even be measurable statistically,

00:21:50.660 whereas blacks are 35 times more likely to commit an act of violence against whites than whites against blacks.

00:21:59.960 Nevertheless, we have been told by the New York Times, by CNN, that it is blacks who were victimized by our system that has given the elites power to overturn every Western standard of excellence,

00:22:16.260 of merit, of behavior, of criminal justice.

00:22:19.540 And I hope you're right.

00:22:21.180 And I think you have to be.

00:22:22.800 It's over now.

00:22:24.880 Mm hmm.

00:22:25.420 I this this must be the end of the fever dream.

00:22:28.720 The the Van Jones soundbite would have played in 2020.

00:22:32.900 I'll play it now, Ali Beth, and then get your take on it.

00:22:35.580 It would have played in 2020.

00:22:37.440 It's it's too late for these kinds of lies.

00:22:40.600 Here it is.

00:22:40.980 We don't know why that man did what he did.

00:22:44.760 And for Charlie Kirk to say we know he did it because she's white when there's no evidence of that is just pure race, race, mongering, hate mongering.

00:22:54.080 It's wrong.

00:22:55.080 Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping changes imposed on society.

00:23:01.400 Where is the George Floyd Policing Act?

00:23:04.000 It didn't pass.

00:23:05.340 You mentioned the thing about cashless bail.

00:23:06.880 So I think this is a big challenge that we have.

00:23:10.840 Would you have felt better if there had been cash bail and the mom had come and put down a thousand dollars to let him out?

00:23:16.840 It's not about cashless bail or no cashless bail.

00:23:19.480 It's about the fact that we don't know how to deal with people who are hurting in the way this man was hurting.

00:23:24.540 Hurt people hurt people.

00:23:26.820 Your thoughts, Ali Beth.

00:23:29.200 This is a prime example of that toxic empathy.

00:23:32.100 Empathy turns toxic when it encourages you to do at least two things, and that is validate lies and support destructive policies.

00:23:40.740 And it encourages you to ignore the true victim in every situation and instead victimize the criminal or the perpetrator of wrong.

00:23:49.420 And this false narrative that we've heard for many decades, but of course accelerated over the past five years, that we have this basic binary dichotomy in the United States of black oppressed and white oppressor.

00:24:02.920 And that everything, every situation, every news story has to be examined through that lens, has supported policies that have led to deaths like this one.

00:24:13.640 Even in the Christian world, in the evangelical world, we certainly saw in 2020 and still see today. 0.70

00:24:19.520 One message toward the white congregants, which is one of collective guilt, a collective need for repentance of the sins of America and the sins of our white ancestors, and a complete abdication of responsibility toward their more melanated congregants, a sermon of apology toward them, and a message of guilt toward white privilege or guilt about systemic racism toward their white congregants. 0.86

00:24:47.840 And that message, especially over the past half decade, has breathed life into the kinds of policies that have led to unjust murders like this one.

00:25:00.160 And so, yes, of course, it is a huge political issue.

00:25:03.300 It is a huge systemic issue.

00:25:05.520 But we've got spiritual and theological problems in the United States that is leading to this kind of bloodshed.

00:25:13.000 It's got to change on every single level.

00:25:16.140 Well, yes, Megan, I know you've been talking about this, too, over at Daily Wire.

00:25:21.640 And I have to tell you, you know, I talked about this openly.

00:25:24.560 I'm Catholic and going through the process of getting an annulment on my first marriage.

00:25:30.240 And my ex-husband and I are friends and he's on board.

00:25:33.300 But in the process, I had a bit of a crisis of faith because it just sort of dawned on me, as my evangelical friends would already argue, why do I have to go through the middleman?

00:25:41.420 Like, what is the point of like getting this middleman to like bless the dissolution of this?

00:25:46.500 And I had a moment of like searching for other churches within the Christian faith, like I might consider this one, I might consider that one.

00:25:53.320 And I'm telling you, like literally every church I went to just to try them out had a pride flag on the outside of it and a BLM flag, a pride flag and BLM.

00:26:03.060 And it was unbelievable how the Christian community has bent the knee to this lie, to these lies about policing in America and what our obligations are as people of faith on this whole narrative. 0.72

00:26:20.640 Yeah, and I'm really glad that you bring that up, that Ali brings that up, because it's an important point to know that I don't believe that these policies, which have been floated by the left for many, many years, they've been promoted, they've been pushed.

00:26:32.300 But they were allowed to take hold in the wake of George Floyd, because you had people who were known as Christian conservatives, for example, using their platforms to push what was a false narrative, which was that George Floyd died because of racism in the policing system.

00:26:47.700 We now know that there was not a shred of evidence that race played any role in his death.

00:26:51.520 And so these were the people who were able to give that movement a moral imperative it didn't have when it was just Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton talking about it.

00:27:01.940 And, you know, one of the things I want to emphasize for people as a Charlotte native is that this was a safe area of town.

00:27:08.600 It's a very trendy, trendy restaurants, trendy shops and boutiques.

00:27:13.120 We go there frequently on the weekend.

00:27:14.980 So you can't escape the impact of these policies, if that's what you're thinking.

00:27:19.660 This was not a dangerous part of town.

00:27:21.740 And the other thing I want to emphasize is that Governor Roy Cooper and our then Attorney General, now Governor Josh Stein, responded to the death of George Floyd in another state more quickly than they responded to the death of Irina Zarutska, who was a resident of their own state, who they are responsible for.

00:27:41.620 So within two weeks, Governor Roy Cooper had called for a racial equity task force to overhaul our criminal justice system here in North Carolina.

00:27:51.300 And the things that it put in place were things like pre-trial release, cashless bail, decriminalizing homelessness and, quote, unquote, public behavior.

00:28:00.760 So being a public menace on the streets, the very kinds of things that DeCarlos Brown was arrested for.

00:28:06.940 So when that was going on and you have, let's be clear, this is the Bible Belt.

00:28:11.600 North Carolina is the Bible Belt. 0.98

00:28:13.140 This is Southern Baptist land. 0.66

00:28:15.020 So when you have that going on and then you have the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., represents some 14 million Americans.

00:28:25.580 Get up into the pulpit, get up onto platforms represented by the Southern Baptist Convention and release public letters saying, you are a bad Christian.

00:28:34.860 You are not a loving Christian if you don't support this overhaul of our criminal justice system in the name of racial equity. 0.58

00:28:42.740 Well, you have a lot of people in the pews who are looking at them going, well, these are conservative Christians like me.

00:28:48.080 And they say, I'm not loving my neighbor if I don't embrace these policies.

00:28:51.440 So that's what I believe was really the difference with George Floyd, why these policies that were being pushed for a long time were suddenly allowed to take effect even by people who would consider themselves conservatives.

00:29:03.340 Because who wants to be called a bad Christian?

00:29:05.680 Who wants to say they don't love their black neighbor?

00:29:08.000 So that was really a tipping point, I think.

00:29:10.180 And the appalling thing to me is that you had so many of those faith leaders participating in that lie, and that it cost people in their own backyard, and they've largely been silent about it now.

00:29:22.140 Yeah, all I can think about is Barry Weiss came on this show very early in its life.

00:29:27.280 And we talked a bit, this is well before 10-7, and we talked a little bit about anti-Semitism and how people get away with it.

00:29:36.760 Like, it's not really, no one seems to really mind it much in many corners.

00:29:41.160 And she said to me, it's because Jews don't count.

00:29:44.680 Like, we don't count.

00:29:45.920 No one's really that exercised when a Jewish person is targeted with anti-Semitism.

00:29:51.860 It's a very different reaction than when a black person is the subject of actual racism, right?

00:29:57.080 Like, there's just not the same level of outrage.

00:29:59.520 And we've gotten to the point somehow where young white women don't count. 0.68

00:30:06.880 And obviously, men too, but women tend to be the victim of crimes. 1.00

00:30:10.480 I mean, in so many instances where it's a male-perpetrated act.

00:30:14.680 But young white people, white people, don't count. 0.73

00:30:18.520 They don't count.

00:30:19.460 They don't count if you're Austin Metcalf down in Texas, and you've got Carmelo Anthony stabbing you in the heart for no reason.

00:30:26.720 Another story the media wanted to ignore.

00:30:29.820 They don't count here.

00:30:30.580 I mean, we could spend all day outlining the stories that just really aren't of interest because we're the wrong color, and our hair is the wrong color, and a privilege is assumed, and therefore we're not oppressed.

00:30:41.860 So, too fucking bad if you get murdered.

00:30:44.300 I mean, truly, that's how callous our ruling class has become, Heather.

00:30:49.380 Well, and this goes beyond, I mean, there's nothing worse than justifying, in a sense, or diminishing violent crime.

00:30:59.480 But the hatred of whites goes far beyond that, Megan, and the consequences for our society go far beyond this.

00:31:07.220 Whites are the last to be admitted to medical school with superb qualifications. 0.88

00:31:12.420 They're the last to be admitted to law schools.

00:31:15.360 They're the last to be considered for medical deanships at this point.

00:31:20.340 We are tearing down every standard of excellence because it has a disparate impact on blacks, not because those standards are racist.

00:31:30.220 They are not.

00:31:31.540 It's because the academic skills gap is so huge.

00:31:34.760 So it's a completely codependent relationship.

00:31:38.700 We demean whites because we're so terrified at this point about black dysfunction. 1.00

00:31:45.620 We want to turn our eyes away from it.

00:31:47.620 And, of course, I'm not talking about all blacks. 0.83

00:31:49.820 There are thousands, millions of law-abiding, hardworking blacks who want public safety, who want the police.

00:31:56.980 But there is a real problem.

00:31:59.140 There is a catastrophic dysfunction in the black underclass community that nobody wants to talk about. 1.00

00:32:06.100 We turn our eyes away from it because we're so terrified we don't have any solutions for it.

00:32:12.100 We've been trying decades to close the crime gap, to close the achievement gap.

00:32:16.600 None of that effort has worked.

00:32:19.000 And so we are elevating blacks as the saints and whites as the devils. 1.00

00:32:26.720 And, you know, the lies are so great.

00:32:30.020 They're so great with regards to discrimination in the private sector.

00:32:34.440 They're so great with regards to discrimination in the criminal justice system.

00:32:39.060 And as both Megan and Allie said and you, these lies have consequences.

00:32:46.260 The reason that Brown was still on the streets was because of the Black Lives Matter narrative,

00:32:51.880 because we have decided we're simply not going to enforce the criminal law because doing so will have a disparate impact on black criminals.

00:32:59.060 That's the only reason if there was no disparity in criminal offending, if blacks were incarcerated, if they were arrested, if they were stopped at the same rate of whites. 0.78

00:33:11.920 And the reason they're stopped at higher rates, again, is not police racism.

00:33:16.940 It is not prosecutor racism.

00:33:19.880 It is not jury racism.

00:33:21.860 It's because their crime rates are 25 times that, 50 times that of whites. 0.99

00:33:30.120 That lie has meant that we are not incarcerating anybody.

00:33:33.720 We are not putting anybody away for mental illness.

00:33:37.320 You mentioned, yes, not every mentally ill person is violent, but there is a fatal brew of mental illness and chemical abuse.

00:33:47.300 This is the MICA population.

00:33:49.360 Mentally ill people who abuse substance have very, very high rates of crime.

00:33:54.120 And my guess is, is that Brown is probably also not just schizophrenic, but a chemical abuser. 0.63

00:34:01.680 He was a walking time bomb.

00:34:04.100 There are walking time bombs all across our cities.

00:34:07.220 In New York, people are constantly being pushed into subways, assaulted by these mentally ill vagrants. 1.00

00:34:13.620 We're not doing anything about it.

00:34:15.240 Why?

00:34:15.740 Again, it's all about race. 0.78

00:34:18.020 Americans have to stop being scared of being called a racist.

00:34:22.020 And fortunately, our commander in chief now doesn't give a damn.

00:34:27.220 Like you, Megan, he doesn't give a damn.

00:34:30.580 And my hope is, is that in four years, this madness will end.

00:34:36.800 And most people will say, I too don't give a damn.

00:34:39.960 You can't scare me by calling me a racist.

00:34:42.460 You can't tear down America by calling it systemically racist.

00:34:46.660 At this point in time, I'm not going to put up for it with it.

00:34:50.000 It's amazing.

00:34:50.740 We went through a period, Ali Beth, where, where we all knew that the black on white crime was worse than the white on black crime, which is really amazing when you consider the population rate, right? 1.00

00:34:59.780 That black people are 13% of the population.

00:35:02.380 Black men are, call it half, six and a half percent of the population.

00:35:05.720 And even smaller, if you look at the age, you know, like, let's say teenagers through 55, you know, the probably the average age of those who would commit crimes, it's going to be more like two to 3%.

00:35:16.740 So that's the population committing the vast majority of crime, violent crime, period.

00:35:22.000 And those people committing crime against whites is a much, much higher number than than whites committing any crime against blacks.

00:35:29.280 So we went through years where we just didn't talk about that.

00:35:32.340 Polite society wouldn't raise that fact. 0.95

00:35:34.160 It was an inconvenient, uncomfortable fact.

00:35:36.300 You were a racist if you wanted to mention that.

00:35:38.900 So we didn't.

00:35:40.020 We didn't talk about the media.

00:35:41.180 We didn't talk about polite society.

00:35:42.380 And then after George Floyd, the whole narrative gets switched to not only like, OK, we're past the days of not talking about.

00:35:49.060 Now we're going to say it's the whites, the whites who are Matt Walsh, Walsh did an amazing monologue on this.

00:35:54.040 I posted on my Twitter today.

00:35:54.980 But now the whole narrative switched to whites are dangerous.

00:35:58.980 Whites are hurting and oppressing and killing blacks at every turn. 1.00

00:36:02.580 You know, LeBron James, they're getting hunted in the streets by by these racist white cops.

00:36:07.580 And that bit by bit, you see these murders and they they get attention if they get caught on camera.

00:36:12.800 That's the nature of American society.

00:36:14.580 And still we have the media unwilling to go there.

00:36:19.120 It doesn't flow with the narrative.

00:36:20.960 They still they're capitalizing black when they write about the races in this particular instance, as is the new AP style book recommendation.

00:36:28.580 But not white.

00:36:29.640 That's lowercase for a reason.

00:36:33.160 Yep, you're absolutely right.

00:36:34.760 A white person is seven to eight times more likely to be killed by a black person than the reverse.

00:36:39.480 Yet if you are just a normal person who doesn't dig into statistics as normal people don't, you just listen to the mainstream media.

00:36:47.300 Maybe you listen to your pastor.

00:36:48.840 You would certainly think it was the opposite.

00:36:50.460 Actually, you would think that the numbers are even more exaggerated when it comes to white people killing black people.

00:36:56.300 And of course, it's just not true.

00:36:57.540 It's a sad fact, but it is a fact.

00:36:59.640 And the truth does matter because what people think, people's perception of reality, isn't just something that stays in their own mind.

00:37:06.100 It changes policy.

00:37:07.520 It changes programs.

00:37:09.160 That's what we've seen over the past five years.

00:37:11.460 I had a very well-meaning pastor reach out to me just this morning who genuinely wanted to know.

00:37:16.440 This is a normal person not plugged into day-to-day politics like we are who said,

00:37:20.780 Ali, you know, I value your insight and I'm trying to understand why people are making this political.

00:37:25.300 And I just responded because politics has something to do with it because the politics of this city, of this state,

00:37:32.180 affected the policies that then enabled this person to be out on the street and murder this young woman.

00:37:37.400 And something about mental health, since we were just talking about that.

00:37:41.000 First of all, like I don't care about your mental health diagnosis.

00:37:44.600 If you are violent, whether you're schizophrenic, depressed, I want you to be put away so that you don't have to affect the rest of society.

00:37:51.520 Your mental health diagnosis, while unfortunate, is not a justification for your symptoms to be unleashed on everyone else.

00:37:58.740 Number two, this person was mentally well enough to target the most vulnerable person on that train.

00:38:05.700 If he was so out of it, he might have targeted someone bigger than him, someone stronger than him,

00:38:10.400 because he wasn't capable of understanding whether or not that person could defend themselves.

00:38:14.280 Instead, he targeted this frail, small, vulnerable girl, cheap shot from behind. 0.96

00:38:21.180 She couldn't even see herself to move out of the way and then was with it enough afterward to walk out and say,

00:38:27.940 it seems I got that white girl.

00:38:30.200 I got that white girl. 1.00

00:38:31.980 So he apparently was mentally capable enough, cognizant enough to commit this crime.

00:38:37.880 And another thing I want to say about mental health, sometimes it's not mental health.

00:38:41.920 We always talk about it's mental health.

00:38:44.280 We need more mental health programs.

00:38:46.460 This is trauma, hurt people, hurt people.

00:38:48.620 Look, evil exists.

00:38:49.820 I know that's unpopular to say.

00:38:51.260 It's not sophisticated or academic to say, but actual evil exists.

00:38:55.640 Objective morality exists.

00:38:57.660 Darkness exists.

00:38:58.920 Some people do things not because they are not okay mentally, but because they are evil.

00:39:03.880 And we as a society have to have the moral courage, have to have the political will to restrain evil at almost whatever the cost.

00:39:14.740 Because evil is either going to be inflicted on us or we are going to inflict punishment on the evildoers to protect everyone else.

00:39:23.840 That is the very simple black and white choice that we have.

00:39:27.480 And now maybe we will have the courage to make it.

00:39:30.320 Yes, you're so right.

00:39:32.180 I mean, like, I'm sorry that you're having schizophrenia.

00:39:34.460 It really shouldn't be my problem.

00:39:36.220 That's really where I am.

00:39:37.520 I pay tax dollars to try to get people like this into facilities where they can't hurt me or my children.

00:39:43.080 Why aren't my tax dollars being used this way?

00:39:45.620 Instead, Megan, what we've seen with these judges down there, you mentioned the governor and his predecessor, both of whom were woke Democrats who implemented soft on crime policing policies.

00:39:54.980 The mayor, she's a nightmare, vile, that's what I call her. 1.00

00:39:58.900 Her name is Vi Lyles, a Democrat.

00:40:01.360 Her reaction, I read this the other day, but just as a reminder, she comes out to say, I don't know the specifics of this man's medical record, but he's long struggled with his mental health, appears to have suffered a crisis.

00:40:13.520 This is the unfortunate and tragic outcome.

00:40:15.860 Tragic incidents like these should force us to look at what we are doing across our community to address root causes.

00:40:20.360 We will never arrest our way out of issues such as homelessness and mental health.

00:40:26.400 And then goes on to say, I want to be clear, I'm not villainizing those who struggle with their mental health.

00:40:31.400 Then there's the magistrate judge who's got another job as the director of operations at Second Chance Services, a mental health and addiction clinic in Charlotte, North Carolina.

00:40:43.200 Gee, I wonder what her political bent would be when someone like this guy, Brown, comes before her.

00:40:48.340 However, she graduated from the worst law school in the country, Cooley Law School, so she has a JD.

00:40:53.900 It also has the lowest bar passage rate of any accredited law school in the country.

00:40:57.560 We don't believe she has her actual bar card.

00:41:00.380 So she's a magistrate judge who can't practice law from the look of it. 1.00

00:41:03.760 And by the way, that's also legal in North Carolina.

00:41:06.100 She's making decisions on your safety as a Charlotte resident.

00:41:09.060 And then it goes up to Roy Wiggins, who made the decision, this district judge in July on whether this guy should remain in custody pending his mental health evaluation and said, no, he doesn't need to go ahead.

00:41:24.080 Go back out on the streets.

00:41:25.080 All of you, all of you in Charlotte were failed by all of these people.

00:41:29.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:31.020 And, you know, when you look at that Vi Lyle statement, the thing that was most appalling about it is in her initial statement, she did not acknowledge Irina Zarutska at all, did not name the victim, didn't even refer to the victim.

00:41:42.700 She only referred to the perpetrator as a victim.

00:41:45.640 And so that, I think, was what was just so eye-opening to so many of us to hear that.

00:41:50.620 And then you look at the kind of money coming in to change these policies.

00:41:54.280 You know, something I posted on X that ended up going kind of viral was the fact that the MacArthur Foundation, a $7 billion mega foundation, has funneled over $3 million into Mecklenburg County, which houses Charlotte, in order to promote this racial equity overhaul of our criminal justice system.

00:42:11.880 So, you know, the same kind of policies that you saw coming out of the racial equity task force were also being promoted by the MacArthur Foundation.

00:42:18.140 So they're getting paid a lot of money to supposedly give these second chances.

00:42:22.800 But let's be clear, it wasn't a second chance.

00:42:25.460 This man had been arrested at least 14 times before, including for armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, assaulting his own sister.

00:42:34.360 This is not somebody who should have been on the streets, as even his own mother acknowledged.

00:42:39.160 She tried to get him committed.

00:42:41.120 She tried to get him involuntarily held.

00:42:44.140 They only held him for a short period of time.

00:42:46.400 And these were the deliberate policies, as Ali said, that have been enacted.

00:42:50.340 This pretrial, this cashless bail, this reducing the prison population and decriminalizing homelessness.

00:42:57.720 So these were deliberate actions.

00:42:59.580 This wasn't somebody who fell through the cracks.

00:43:01.760 This was the design.

00:43:03.360 And I think that is what is waking so many people up, is that it wasn't an accident that this happened.

00:43:08.320 They have deliberately enacted these policies to ensure that someone like that is on the streets.

00:43:14.480 And to be clear, just to be clear on what happened, because we used to institutionalize people in this country.

00:43:19.560 We did used to do it to keep the rest of us safe.

00:43:22.100 And then we decided we weren't going to do that anymore.

00:43:24.280 Some 50 years ago, we were going to start opening up the doors to the institutions and letting people out because of civil liberties.

00:43:30.620 We had a couple of bad Supreme Court decisions saying, yeah, you know, I have to be really super protective of these people's civil liberties.

00:43:36.700 And what did we start to do?

00:43:38.980 They were out on the streets.

00:43:40.540 They became homeless.

00:43:41.400 It became a real problem.

00:43:42.860 So normal states and cities started locking them up in the prisons because nine times out of ten, the truly deranged would wind up committing crimes.

00:43:50.780 So they wound up going into the prisons and the prisons wound up housing some 30 percent of their populations who were nutcases, too. 0.57

00:43:58.680 But at least they were behind bars and they would be getting some sort of mental health services in prison.

00:44:03.240 All right.

00:44:03.580 Not ideal.

00:44:04.100 I'd rather see them in a locked up mental institution, but I don't really care as long as they're not near me.

00:44:09.240 And then then came George Floyd of Palooza and even the 10 years leading up to it where we started opening up the prisons.

00:44:16.460 Incarceration was bad.

00:44:17.500 It was dangerous.

00:44:18.160 It was racist.

00:44:19.160 And then George Floyd.

00:44:20.260 And we started not only opening up the prisons, but not even prosecuting these people to begin with.

00:44:24.440 That's why, Heather, this is a direct result of policy choices that have been made by politicians.

00:44:30.320 Well, politicians have now decided that their primary commitment is to the antisocial and the dysfunctional.

00:44:38.240 The the hatred against whites that you mentioned, Megan, that results in whiteness studies in the Smithsonian talking about the awful white traits of punctuality and rationality and family. 0.67

00:44:53.000 That that hatred is even broader.

00:44:56.380 It's the hatred of the bourgeois, of the normal, of the law abiding.

00:44:59.820 And instead, government, I call this the great inversion, has decided that its obligation is to protect the criminal, the vagrant against the alleged threat from the bourgeois.

00:45:12.660 And and that treats taxpayers as ATMs merely for their feckless social uplift projects.

00:45:20.240 And so we have the rights of the mentally ill vagrants who've decided and drug abusers who decided they want a street lifestyle because it's the easiest way to keep getting their drug habit fed. 0.87

00:45:34.160 We cater to them with these outreach teams that bring them pizza and blankets and tents.

00:45:40.600 And we ask taxpayers to simply put up with it.

00:45:44.860 These are situations in our cities that would have been unthinkable 60, 70 years ago, 100 years ago, when government understood that its primary obligation was not to the antisocial,

00:45:58.700 to protect the antisocial or black people against dangerous whites and dangerous bodega owners and dangerous entrepreneurs that are just trying to create a functioning business to help Americans have more choice in their how they live their lives. 0.88

00:46:18.480 Now, it used to be that's our obligation is to the functional.

00:46:22.620 Now, the only obligation is to people like Brown, to people like Michael Brown.

00:46:32.300 We learned today amazingly that the main liar, Dorian Johnson, who perpetrated one of the most incendiary lies of the Black Lives Matter movement, 0.72

00:46:42.660 the hands up, don't shoot lie that even the Obama Justice Department couldn't give credence to and finally said this whole thing is bogus.

00:46:49.480 He was shot fatally, very close to where the Michael Brown incident in Ferguson, Missouri, happened in 2014.

00:46:57.620 Those are the people that we are venerating.

00:47:01.320 It's a tragic situation.

00:47:03.240 You know, all of our civil rights heroes today are dysfunctional black criminals. 1.00

00:47:09.200 That's how you become a civil rights hero.

00:47:11.160 You get yourself shot by the police because you've been resisting arrest or running or trying to grab the officer's gun, as Michael Brown was.

00:47:21.040 And we're so desperate to villainize whites and to to sanctify blacks because we're so terrified about that inner city dysfunction that those are the people who now we have shrines to. 0.90

00:47:35.920 Minneapolis has shrines aplenty to George Floyd because government is unwilling to say, no, we are going to fulfill our obligations, which is to provide, protect rights, property, life and liberty of people who obey the law.

00:47:55.040 Yeah, the social compact.

00:47:57.240 We are definitely getting back to the story of Dorian Johnson and Michael Brown, the fact that he's died and what the media is now saying about him, in particular, CNN and NBC.

00:48:08.760 We are rounding back to that in just a minute.

00:48:10.580 But let me put a pin in it for now.

00:48:12.800 Megan, you mentioned these groups that have been getting in there, changing our prosecution departments and offices across the country.

00:48:20.080 There was an article in Heather's publication, City Journal Today.

00:48:24.300 It hit yesterday.

00:48:25.540 The title of it is Outsourcing Justice, How Donors and Consultants Steer America's Prosecutors.

00:48:31.460 And it kicks off with a story about the Wren, W-R-E-N Collective LLC, a private consulting firm that is, quote, already embedded in several prosecutor's office across the country and looking to expand.

00:48:43.720 In particular, it's founded by this former public defender activist, Jessica Brand.

00:48:49.580 And they get in there and say, for free, we'll teach you how to do all of the woke BLS stuff.

00:48:55.920 And they're well-funded by activists with an agenda.

00:48:59.160 So this is like where we actually have identified political enemies that we have to defeat.

00:49:05.200 Like, we're not in there.

00:49:06.320 Our groups aren't in there.

00:49:07.180 What are we doing?

00:49:08.760 Right.

00:49:09.260 And look, that's part of the problem is that you have millions and millions of dollars pouring in from Soros' Open Society Foundation, from the MacArthur Foundation.

00:49:16.960 And they're promoting all of these policies.

00:49:19.160 And you have municipalities that are happy to take those millions of dollars to implement these programs.

00:49:23.800 And look, I spent the last couple of days sitting and watching some of this anti-racism training that they put our, I mean, literally our entire court system and policing system through.

00:49:34.720 This rolled out across the state.

00:49:36.080 It became a mandatory thing that you had to go through this anti-racism training as a part of that racial equity task force that was unveiled right after the death of George Floyd.

00:49:45.460 And it is teaching them that if your impulse is to jail someone who is a minority because of a crime they've committed, well, then you may have an implicit bias.

00:49:54.220 And that is what you, as a law enforcement officer or as a member of the court, that's what's pushing you to do that.

00:50:01.400 And really quick, I just want to cite a statistic, which is the fact that if you put white people on a jury, they are much less likely to convict a black defendant than they are another white defendant.

00:50:13.960 It is the opposite for black juries. 0.86

00:50:15.840 They are much more likely to let a fellow black defendant go free, and they are much more likely to convict a white defendant. 0.55

00:50:22.920 So this idea that white people have this implicit animus towards black people is simply not borne out by the statistics.

00:50:30.860 All right, we're not done.

00:50:32.220 When we come back, I have to take a quick break.

00:50:33.980 I'm going to play you the soundbite from CNN from just last night as they had on a woman, Caroline Downey, from NNR, National Review, who tried to raise the issue of this guy was not safe to be on the streets.

00:50:45.740 And we'll show you the meltdown that ensued.

00:50:47.900 And we will round back to the Michael Brown narrative still being lied about, still by the same media that has caused these problems we've spent the last hour discussing.

00:50:58.720 Stand by.

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00:52:53.020 Back with me now, Megan Basham.

00:52:54.900 She's a reporter for The Daily Wire.

00:52:56.620 Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute is author of the book When Race Trumps Merit.

00:53:01.780 Great read, by the way.

00:53:03.140 And Allie Beth Stuckey is host of the Relatable podcast and author of another great read, Toxic Empathy, which we talked about when it was published.

00:53:11.960 I just want to start with this because I want to get it in.

00:53:14.060 And Trump did issue a statement yesterday from the Oval Office.

00:53:16.680 It was very forceful, very strong.

00:53:18.860 Here it is, Satue.

00:53:23.160 In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the results of these policies when a 23-year-old woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end on a public train.

00:53:35.380 And here's a picture of it.

00:53:37.340 This is the picture of it.

00:53:41.100 And this is a picture of the woman.

00:53:44.060 A beautiful young girl that never had problems in life with a magnificent future in this country.

00:53:55.020 And now she's dead.

00:53:56.300 We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country.

00:54:05.180 We have to respond with force and strength.

00:54:08.060 We have to be vicious just like they are.

00:54:10.940 It's amazing to listen to him.

00:54:13.560 What a different message we would have had if Kamala Harris had been in there. 1.00

00:54:18.840 God, I mean, it's a miracle.

00:54:20.880 It's a miracle.

00:54:22.200 It's a miracle he's in there for this and that there's a chance to undo some of the madness.

00:54:26.780 I do want to show you some of the things that have come in on this guy's mental state.

00:54:31.160 His sister is talking to the news.

00:54:34.100 And in particular, she's speaking to the Daily Mail.

00:54:37.960 First, she told CNN.

00:54:39.020 Her name is Tracy.

00:54:40.160 First, she told CNN that the perpetrator here, DeCarlos Brown Jr., had been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

00:54:45.900 He suffered from hallucinations and paranoia.

00:54:48.180 He attacked her in 2022.

00:54:51.300 She, the sister, ultimately dropped the charges out of concern for his mental health.

00:54:56.440 She said she spoke with her brother, the defendant here, after his arrest, asked him why he did it.

00:55:02.360 And she said he responded because she was reading my mind.

00:55:07.740 Her brother told her multiple times the government had implanted a chip in him, she said,

00:55:13.520 and said, look, somebody like this is going to break.

00:55:17.160 And that night he broke.

00:55:18.800 He just snapped.

00:55:19.740 Well, now she's spoken to the Daily Mail with a recording she made of her conversation with DeCarlos Brown Jr.

00:55:29.860 And here we play it.

00:55:31.680 Watch.

00:55:33.180 So you said something in your body did what?

00:55:38.860 Nah, the material, put it like the material used in my body to stabilize it.

00:55:47.160 And so she just got stabbed.

00:55:53.020 Yeah.

00:55:55.740 You know, that's not me.

00:55:57.720 I'm talking about this for no reason.

00:55:59.260 But since they did that, since they did that, now they got to investigate the material in my body.

00:56:05.120 So since they want to do all that, now they got to investigate.

00:56:09.720 She's from, she's from the Ukraine.

00:56:12.200 She's from Russia.

00:56:13.480 And, you know, they got a war.

00:56:15.000 They had a war going on against the United States.

00:56:17.700 So I'm just trying to understand, out of all people, why her?

00:56:22.360 That's, hey, it ain't, I don't have nothing.

00:56:25.020 Hey, they just lashed out on her.

00:56:27.080 That's what happened.

00:56:29.200 They lashed out on her.

00:56:31.080 Whoever was working the material, they lashed out on her. 0.87

00:56:36.720 Whoever was working the material, they lashed out on her. 0.87

00:56:41.540 Since they did that, meaning the Ukrainian situation, now they have to investigate the material in my body, too.

00:56:51.280 Obviously, this is an unwell person.

00:56:54.540 But here's what jumps out at me, Ali Beth.

00:56:56.240 This is exactly what he said to the 911 operator last January, January of 2025, that got him arrested.

00:57:03.500 He was saying he's been espousing this, and the criminal justice system knew it and sent him back out there.

00:57:10.780 Here is what they charged him with.

00:57:12.380 During the 911 incident, officers said he bizarrely claimed a man-made material was inside his body and was controlling him as he ate, walked, and talked, according to an affidavit cited by the outlet.

00:57:25.320 But that affidavit read as follows, quote, Brown wanted officers to investigate this man-made material that was inside of his body.

00:57:33.940 Obviously, the guy is a nutcase, but he's not just any random nutcase.

00:57:39.020 He had this very long—I mean, we've confirmed 14 arrests, but there are reports that it was more than that, that it was up to 29 times he'd been arrested in and out of the system.

00:57:50.080 And we know for that particular instance, he was arrested.

00:57:53.980 He was in front of the justice system in January, in front of that ridiculous magistrate judge, and then again in July, a month before this happened, in front of Judge Roy Wiggins, both of whom sent him back out on his way.

00:58:07.300 So last night, the subject of his schizophrenia came up on CNN, and Caroline Downey, who's with National Review, tried to make a point about it.

00:58:15.600 Here's how that went.

00:58:16.960 He served time for his violent offenses in the past.

00:58:20.740 Not for his schizophrenia.

00:58:23.020 That's not a surprise.

00:58:23.720 That's not a crime.

00:58:24.600 No, I know, but I'm saying that that was compounding this entire issue, the fact that he lashed out violently on that crime.

00:58:30.520 I know, I'm just saying, he did actually serve time for the violent offenses that he committed.

00:58:35.640 Yes, but he was a career criminal, a repeat offender who was let back onto our streets, despite a really bad criminal record that suggests he should have been locked away for life because he was threatening the public.

00:58:46.720 He was a menace to society.

00:58:48.560 I'm sorry, he should have been locked away for life for what now?

00:58:51.880 He should have—schizophrenia.

00:58:53.320 You actually said that.

00:58:55.680 I can't believe you actually said that.

00:58:57.160 Somebody should be locked away in jail forever for schizophrenia.

00:59:00.920 Did you really say that?

00:59:02.200 He said he should be locked away for life for schizophrenia.

00:59:05.200 That is what you said.

00:59:06.120 He should be institutionalized.

00:59:07.340 Yes, and if you're saying he should not, you're saying that young women like you and me are basically just—we are lambs into the slaughter.

00:59:15.000 You go on public transportation in this city, that could happen to any single one of us.

00:59:18.620 I use public transit constantly.

00:59:21.220 That is completely unhinged, frankly.

00:59:23.900 People shouldn't be locked away for mental illness.

00:59:26.080 They should be treated for it.

00:59:27.820 In an institution.

00:59:29.400 Yes.

00:59:29.740 Yes, Allie.

00:59:32.100 What he needed, he needed talk therapy.

00:59:34.340 That's really—that's what DeCarlos Brown Jr. needed.

00:59:36.800 If people like this who are surrounding Caroline are anywhere close to power, we will continue to have situations like this on a consistent basis.

00:59:46.880 Look, this is not a one-off.

00:59:48.600 Sure, he does seem like a nutcase, but also at the same time, I just want to say evil people say evil things.

00:59:53.920 People who are violent are also liars.

00:59:55.660 Yeah, he's probably crazy, but he could just also be making excuses for the fact that he's a bad person who does bad things, and he doesn't want to take responsibility for that.

01:00:04.260 That is like the pattern of a lot of criminals.

01:00:06.600 But also, I want to say something about our mental health system.

01:00:10.260 What we have realized, especially since COVID, a lot has happened over the past five years and revelations about many different things, is that our mental health system, in general, is actually exacerbating the problem of instability and violence, not reducing the violence that is caused by people who may have these mental health diagnoses.

01:00:30.760 Because so many of the pharmaceuticals actually have on their label as potential side effects, psychosis, violence against others, violence against yourself, deepening these episodes of depression and anxiety and paranoia.

01:00:45.260 I don't know what pharmaceuticals this guy was on, if he was on any, but for anyone to say, well, he just needs treatment, he just needs more psychology, he just needs more psychiatry.

01:00:56.500 Obviously not.

01:00:57.780 Obviously not.

01:00:58.640 He had probably been getting that for some time.

01:01:01.500 Caroline is absolutely right.

01:01:03.320 For this kind of manifestation of this kind of mental illness, yes, locked away for life, because they are all saying exactly what Caroline said they are saying, which is that you, young woman, you, white woman, you are worth the sacrifice.

01:01:19.060 We are going to put you on the altar of social justice, of racial equity, and you are going to like it.

01:01:25.920 People like that on that roundtable.

01:01:27.580 People, yes, exactly, should never be close to power.

01:01:31.620 Yeah, no, exactly right.

01:01:32.600 It's, I have absolutely no qualms about this guy going away for life before this crime.

01:01:37.000 It's his life or our lives.

01:01:39.640 Why should we, the perfectly law-abiding sane ones, have to put our lives on the line just to get on the light rail?

01:01:46.080 It's absurd.

01:01:47.020 He's the one, I'm sorry, he's got to go.

01:01:49.280 And we've had too many instances that prove that to us.

01:01:51.840 Nonetheless, it's not just the CNN panel.

01:01:55.060 I've got one for you too, Megan.

01:01:56.620 Here's Whoopi Goldberg this morning over on The View.

01:02:01.300 A young woman is dead.

01:02:03.000 Let's, let's take that into mind, into consideration.

01:02:07.620 And yes, a man who should have been behind bars was loose and out.

01:02:14.380 Well, he should have been.

01:02:15.300 Well, he should, listen.

01:02:16.240 Yeah.

01:02:16.460 He was a schizophrenic man.

01:02:18.100 His mother begged them to take him and put him away.

01:02:23.780 So stop politicizing this.

01:02:25.720 This is not political.

01:02:26.880 This has to do with how we take care of our sick Americans when they are in need.

01:02:36.140 Not, not political at all.

01:02:38.360 Okay.

01:02:39.020 So a point of order first, going back to that CNN panel, is that he was not put away for all of those crimes.

01:02:44.740 For most of those crimes, he did go away for the armed robbery.

01:02:47.480 But for multiple other crimes, he was credited with time served, giving community service and probation.

01:02:53.500 So he was not serving time for the crimes he committed.

01:02:57.280 Second point of order, he didn't just have the encounters with the police that we know about where he was arrested.

01:03:03.100 There were additional points.

01:03:04.920 We know at least three times in 2024, so just last year, he had encounters with the police where they didn't arrest him.

01:03:13.060 They referred him to, quote unquote, resources.

01:03:15.580 So we know that they were supposedly trying to refer him to the kinds of mental health help that all of these people are saying, well, that's what he should have been given.

01:03:24.460 Well, the community policing forces that he encountered did try to do that, and he wasn't forced to accept it, and so he didn't.

01:03:32.480 So he continued to be a menace on our public streets.

01:03:34.520 And that is the point of why that absolutely, yes, this is political, because those were the policies that allowed him to be on that train so that he could stab Irina Zarutska in the neck.

01:03:44.900 So to try to separate this from politics, in fact, to try to separate it from identity politics is impossible, because it was the identity politics that played a role in why he was out there being a menace to society.

01:03:57.820 So, you know, when I look at this, I go, one, they're not being dishonest about this man, or they're not being honest about this man's background, but they're also then not being honest about the role that identity politics and the social justice movement in the wake of George Floyd played in his being out there and being available to commit this crime.

01:04:17.020 Just a follow-up, too, on the problems with the North Carolina judges involved in all of this.

01:04:23.260 This, I mentioned the one judge, Teresa Stokes, and what she did, and then the other judge, Roy Wiggins, and what he did, but Jesse Waters actually did a good piece on Fox last night on who appointed Teresa Stokes as magistrate judge from the lowest-rated law school in the country, who's not even a practicing lawyer, who doesn't appear to have her bar card.

01:04:44.980 It was someone named Alyssa Chin Gary, who's the clerk of the Superior Court. 0.69

01:04:50.140 Stokes was nominated by the clerk, and then Stokes was appointed by Judge Carla Archie.

01:04:57.840 Chin Gary, the one who nominated her, her bio on the Mecklenburg Bar Association says she's the family court administrator and a leader in building and strengthening race matters for juvenile justice.

01:05:10.140 Under Chin Gary's leadership, Race Matters for Juvenile Justice partnered with all these other groups to train more than 200 leaders in a series of workshops entitled Dismantling Racism.

01:05:21.740 Those are the qualifications she wanted us to know she had in order to select future magistrate court judges who would be making assessments on bail and whether somebody like Brown would have to stay in the system.

01:05:32.080 Her LinkedIn says that she's a judge of superior court and probate, racial equity organizer, diversity and inclusion consultant.

01:05:42.640 She then wrote, in 2014, I was named the Julius L. Chambers diversity champion, conferred by the Mecklenburg County Bar to celebrate persons in our community who advanced the cause of diversity and equal opportunity.

01:05:54.860 This is giving me total L.A. Fire Chief vibes, right? Black and a lesbian. I'm black and I'm a lesbian. Can you fight fire? Who cares? See points one and two. 0.99

01:06:08.220 Who gives a crap about all these like diversity equity initiatives she's involved in? Do you have any qualifications to pick magistrate judges? 1.00

01:06:16.500 And in North Carolina, they said, yes, those are the qualifications. She's right on. She's assessed our interests perfectly.

01:06:23.480 The mayor, who you mentioned before, who I call vile. This is a picture of the mayor at the George Floyd funeral. Here she is on her knees. 0.64

01:06:31.400 George Floyd. She's deeply upset about George Floyd and his passing. We'll show you the picture.

01:06:36.100 But that's that's who she's working for effectively. Distraught. Distraught. This is Mayor Vi after George Floyd.

01:06:43.640 OK, going on. Judge Carla Archie, the one who actually made the appointment of the magistrate, Judge Teresa Stokes. 0.75

01:06:49.720 Uh, 2019 Diversity Champion Award winner. She posted this photo in 2020 on her LinkedIn wearing her mask.

01:06:57.700 It reads vaxxed with a good dose of holiday cheer. And, uh, on it goes from there.

01:07:03.460 So the whole system, Megan, was set up. It was set up to see a guy like DeCarlos Brown and send him right out the revolving door so that Whoopi Goldberg could then say, well, this isn't political.

01:07:18.800 It's just about how we treat the unwell, knowing full well that we don't lock them up in this country anymore.

01:07:26.440 We haven't for decades. So unless they are incarcerated in an actual prison or we revamp our mental health asylum situation, he's going to be free on the streets to kill more.

01:07:36.300 Yeah. And again, when I look at that picture of Vi Lyles, I just go to the fact that they all had her, Josh Stein, Roy Cooper, all had something to say much more quickly about George Floyd in another state than they did about someone who was a resident of their own state in North Carolina who they were responsible for.

01:07:56.300 It's just appalling. And I'm going to be honest at this point, when I hear those resumes, when I hear I, you know, I'm an expert in anti-racism training or this was the, you know, diversity, equity, inclusion bona fides that I have at that point, that's actually a disqualification for me.

01:08:11.560 If I see that on your resume, I don't want you hired for the job.

01:08:14.800 Mm hmm. Here, Ali Beth, here is U.S. Attorney Russ Ferguson on whether the federal charges are political grandstanding because the feds have now stepped in.

01:08:22.740 I don't see how you would see this case as political grandstanding.

01:08:27.360 And if you do, I think you should have the conversation that we just had with Arena's family because there's nothing political about that.

01:08:34.540 This is a heinous crime and we are going to remedy it.

01:08:38.540 I don't know what the politics is here.

01:08:40.140 If this was a political grandstand, there would be an opposite side to this.

01:08:43.520 Is the opposite side, let's allow murders on our light rail?

01:08:46.560 Is the opposite side, let's let people out of state prison so they can commit other crimes?

01:08:50.980 There's no other side of this. There's no politics to this.

01:08:53.220 This is a pure and simple federal case.

01:08:56.400 I'm relieved knowing they're involved. You?

01:08:59.600 Yes. Now, I will say there are politics involved with this because that is the other side.

01:09:04.420 I mean, that is what the other side thinks, that, yes, we should allow murders because if people are mentally unwell, well, there's nothing that we can do.

01:09:11.840 We just heard that on CNN. And that is what the policies actually produce.

01:09:16.800 Now, of course, I know what he's saying. He's saying that he's not politically motivated by going after this guy.

01:09:22.040 And, of course, that's good. That's true. This is about justice.

01:09:25.320 And he's right. People who are saying this is political grandstanding, I mean, what are they trying to imply there?

01:09:31.840 The unfortunate reality, though, is even while he's speaking in hyperbole, that is an accurate description of what progressives effectively believe when it comes to crime.

01:09:41.420 That it's OK that she died as long as we are still accomplishing some superficial definition of racial equity.

01:09:48.480 That is the sad fact of the matter.

01:09:50.980 Yeah, absolutely. And the failure, right, that we've shown commentary from just last night on CNN.

01:09:57.100 We've shown commentary from ABC and The View just this morning.

01:10:00.980 Like they're doing their same old tricks over and over again.

01:10:03.560 This hasn't moved them at all. They must be moved by us.

01:10:06.640 Heather, it didn't start around Michael Brown, but it went into full flower back when he died in the 2014 race riots that destroyed Ferguson, Missouri.

01:10:18.140 And this was like this is a pivotal moment in me for me in my own career.

01:10:22.200 I remember it so well because I had just taken over a year earlier at the Kelly file in the primetime or I was about to.

01:10:28.240 I'm trying to get my exact facts right.

01:10:30.420 No, I just taken over. Yeah.

01:10:31.380 And it was a massive story and it dominated our news for days and days and days.

01:10:36.880 And we couldn't believe what CNN was doing.

01:10:39.240 Like we were watching the actual evidence unfold and CNN was lying every day on their air based on the word of this guy who just died, who you made a reference to, Dorian Johnson.

01:10:50.400 And Dorian Johnson, just as a background for the people who are getting up to speed, he was friends with Michael Brown.

01:10:55.900 They were in Ferguson, Missouri.

01:10:57.260 They were two black men in like their early teens.

01:11:00.620 Dorian Johnson was a little bit older, but Michael Brown was, I think, 18 or 19.

01:11:04.480 And they'd been committing some petty crime that morning.

01:11:08.000 And the officer, Scott Wilson, was there and he got into an altercation with Brown, of which, sorry, Derek Wilson.

01:11:15.660 And and he Michael Brown charged Derek, Derek Wilson.

01:11:19.100 He charged him in his police car.

01:11:21.380 Darren, he his fingerprints were on the car.

01:11:24.500 It was his DNA was on the officer.

01:11:27.080 The officer had a bruise on his face from where he was attacked.

01:11:30.520 The media will tell you none of that.

01:11:32.800 They didn't wait for the story to came out.

01:11:34.320 They went with the word of Michael Brown's friend, Johnson, Dorian Johnson, who said that Michael Brown was surrendering with his hands up, saying hands up.

01:11:46.060 Don't say basically don't shoot.

01:11:47.880 Here it is.

01:11:48.320 We actually have Dorian Johnson's lie to the news media here.

01:11:51.580 Stop five.

01:11:52.080 And once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and he put his hands in the air and he started to get down.

01:11:59.240 But the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and he fired several more shots.

01:12:05.200 Now, they ran with that like there was no stopping because they love that.

01:12:10.080 The media said, of course, the white cop shot down the teenager helpless with his hands up begging for mercy because whites are racist.

01:12:18.320 We all know that, especially white cops.

01:12:20.820 And that led to the following on CNN, which is a stain against them and others.

01:12:26.480 This is not just CNN.

01:12:27.600 But here's here's the moments.

01:12:29.220 We want you to know that our hearts are out there marching with them.

01:12:39.840 Hands up.

01:12:41.420 Austin, Margaret Hoover.

01:12:43.580 Don't shoot.

01:12:44.880 Hands up.

01:12:46.120 Don't shoot.

01:12:47.880 Hands up.

01:12:49.060 This is on the House floor.

01:12:50.060 Don't shoot.

01:12:50.940 Democrat after Democrat.

01:12:51.860 As the Rams came out of the tunnel, Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt acknowledged the events in Ferguson.

01:13:01.100 Unbelievable.

01:13:02.020 It's it's perfect.

01:13:02.900 And now, Heather, here's here's where I would love to give it to you.

01:13:08.840 NBC does a write up of it talking about the as follows.

01:13:13.320 It as follows.

01:13:13.800 Johnson witnessed the shooting and told media outlets what he saw, told them what he saw.

01:13:23.420 And then you've got NBC that also writes up the story of Dorian Johnson dying.

01:13:30.100 His account of Brown's killing helped inspire the iconic hands up.

01:13:36.100 Don't shoot.

01:13:37.040 Protest chant.

01:13:39.040 That assertion.

01:13:40.200 This is CNN.

01:13:40.980 This is the first one was NBC.

01:13:42.420 This is CNN.

01:13:45.900 It's iconic.

01:13:47.260 And saying that assertion, though, has been hotly contested.

01:13:51.480 It's been hotly.

01:13:51.940 It's been utterly disproven.

01:13:54.240 And these media outlets cannot let go of the narrative, Heather.

01:13:58.460 Well, we've had a series of individual lies like the hands up, don't shoot lie that are all part of the major lie with which Americans have been living for the last 20 years.

01:14:10.100 And they have to wake up from it.

01:14:12.560 It's quite extraordinary.

01:14:14.360 There's a race hustle.

01:14:15.680 There's a race grift.

01:14:16.880 All of those diversity consultants and trainers that that Megan referred to.

01:14:24.040 It's all a hustle.

01:14:25.220 There is no there is no expertise there because they're and they're fighting no problem.

01:14:31.340 We do not have a problem of white racism.

01:14:33.280 But the race grift has been extraordinarily lucrative. 0.58

01:14:37.960 It's given virtue points to the white establishment that perpetuates this complete fabrication that we live in a white supremacist society, that blacks are under threat from whites, not vice versa. 0.51

01:14:52.420 Sorry, the statistics show it's vice versa.

01:14:55.780 Again, 35 times more likely blacks are to commit a violent crime against whites than the opposite.

01:15:01.500 Blacks commit about 80 percent of all interracial violent crime in this country between whites and blacks and whites and blacks and whites. 0.99

01:15:11.100 Since the lie ends now, and you spoke, Megan, about the unbelievable providential nature of having Trump in office now, the left is terrified because they've been fighting back hysterically against Trump's long overdue call to pay attention to violent crime in America's cities.

01:15:36.180 Trump has the right standard.

01:15:38.160 One crime is too many.

01:15:39.540 One crime is we should not put up with that.

01:15:43.020 And so we keep hearing and I'm so sick of this.

01:15:45.720 Well, but crime is dropping and therefore they follow with the non sequitur.

01:15:51.660 Everything's fine.

01:15:52.840 Yes, crime has been dropping from its massive explosion after the George Floyd race riots.

01:15:59.480 When we got rid of police officers, when we demonized the cops, when they were afraid to make stops.

01:16:04.960 I love hearing Cooper and Stein now say we need more cops on the beat.

01:16:09.540 Well, guess why they're not there?

01:16:11.100 Because the cops have been so demonized that they're fleeing the profession.

01:16:17.520 And so we now have to get back.

01:16:20.560 Trump is right.

01:16:22.200 The fact that crime is dropping is irrelevant.

01:16:24.660 And this is what's just needed to say this is what we're talking about, folks.

01:16:30.160 Trump is not hallucinating.

01:16:32.640 He is not exploiting.

01:16:34.080 He is not demagogic.

01:16:35.300 He is talking about the reality of American cities.

01:16:38.620 The Washington Post today is concerned about there's National Guard in the subways of Washington, D.C.

01:16:43.780 Who doesn't want that at this point?

01:16:46.060 But the solution, frankly, you cannot have enough police officers stationed to prevent all of this.

01:16:52.400 Yes, it would be good to have more police.

01:16:54.620 Command presence works.

01:16:55.680 What we need to do is incarcerate and institutionalize.

01:17:00.120 No more sixth, seventh, eighth bites of the apple.

01:17:04.160 The point of government is to protect the law-abiding against the criminal, not vice versa.

01:17:10.700 It's not to protect the mentally ill against the sane.

01:17:13.320 It's to protect the sane against the mentally ill. 0.53

01:17:15.440 It's to protect people that care about the law, that care about raising their children safely, against the maniacs.

01:17:22.820 They don't deserve to be the primary focus of government.

01:17:27.180 And that's what they are now, all thanks to the race hustle and the race grift. 0.85

01:17:31.400 Yes.

01:17:32.120 By the way, Rafael Manguel of City Journal has been saying, and one of the first things we need to do is restore mandatory minimum sentences.

01:17:39.620 So it's not discretionary.

01:17:40.860 So these third-party groups cannot get into these prosecutors and pressure them to do the revolving door thing.

01:17:47.540 They have no choice.

01:17:48.440 This is the crime.

01:17:49.340 This is the mandatory minimum.

01:17:50.540 Who is just going to add something?

01:17:52.380 I was, Megan.

01:17:53.360 I was just going to say, you know, these claims, too, about crime being down.

01:17:57.500 I don't study every city.

01:17:58.960 I don't have them off the top of my head.

01:18:00.160 But what I can tell you is in Charlotte, they're being incredibly disingenuous because our homicide rate was up 25 percent last year.

01:18:06.980 It was the second highest year on record.

01:18:08.600 The first highest year on record was 2020 during the year of the Black Lives Matter riots. 0.84

01:18:14.000 So, you know, they're playing very fast and loose here when they claim that crime is down.

01:18:17.920 Maybe in some cities it is.

01:18:19.520 It's not the case in Charlotte.

01:18:21.080 Well, I was saying this the other day.

01:18:22.860 Can I respond to Megan?

01:18:24.740 I just think I wouldn't play that game.

01:18:26.660 I think it's irrelevant.

01:18:28.160 Crime, you know, crime in Washington, D.C., yes, it dropped last year.

01:18:32.160 It's the homicide rate in Washington is 27 times that of London.

01:18:37.680 It's 60 times that of Switzerland.

01:18:39.960 Two things can be true.

01:18:41.520 Crime is down from it.

01:18:43.320 And it may not be down in Charlotte, but it is down in cities.

01:18:46.300 I don't think conservatives should waste much time contesting that.

01:18:49.980 It's still unacceptable because it's so high in the United States.

01:18:55.480 Trump's effort to try and pay federal attention to crime is not undercut by the fact that crime has been dropping.

01:19:04.760 He's late to the story.

01:19:06.580 The federal government should have been concerned about this 20 years ago before it reached this point.

01:19:12.140 These crimes, whether they're down or not, it is unacceptable.

01:19:16.720 It is not acceptable for a civilized society to know that every single day people will be robbed and assaulted.

01:19:23.120 In New York City, business owners will be expropriated.

01:19:27.080 This is like living in the Middle Ages when you don't have security of property.

01:19:31.200 So I don't care if crime is dropping.

01:19:33.660 It is unacceptable.

01:19:35.420 And it is about time that people say we are not going to accept this.

01:19:40.720 Cities can be safe.

01:19:42.680 We know how to do it.

01:19:43.580 You enforce the law.

01:19:44.660 You incarcerate people.

01:19:46.060 And you don't continue giving endless bites of the apple to known criminal offenders.

01:19:51.520 I was just saying the other day, if I weigh 120 pounds and I balloon up to 350 and then I lose 50 pounds, I'm still 300 pounds.

01:19:59.480 I'm overweight.

01:20:00.220 It's unsafe.

01:20:01.040 It's unhealthy.

01:20:02.240 It doesn't make me newly healthy.

01:20:03.720 And there's no problem now that I'm just 300.

01:20:05.500 I have a lot to go in order to get back to anything that resembles a safe existence.

01:20:12.120 And that's really the argument that they're making.

01:20:14.260 Like these are 300-pound cities that should be 120, and they're not.

01:20:18.840 I want to end on this.

01:20:20.460 The U.S. attorney, Russ Ferguson, who we played earlier, has been in touch with Irina's family, that poor family, thinking she's one of the lucky ones.

01:20:31.320 She got out of Ukraine.

01:20:32.280 She goes to the United States and the heartland, you know, not like some crazy, like scary city like New York or Chicago, but Charlotte, which is beautiful and they're thinking safe.

01:20:46.040 And he had the following to say about their wishes for her.

01:20:51.160 Stop two.

01:20:51.600 After Irina's death, the embassy in Ukraine called and said, we'll help you bring her home.

01:20:57.620 And her family said no.

01:20:59.120 They said she loved America.

01:21:00.620 We're going to bury her here.

01:21:04.540 She deserved better.

01:21:06.280 And our daughters deserve better. 1.00

01:21:09.000 And they can have it.

01:21:10.800 And we can have it if we just stay on this, if we don't drop it.

01:21:14.520 And we don't fall prey to the pat on the head, be a nice girl, be a nice guy messaging that they've been using against us for years now.

01:21:24.480 It's time to be a good person, not a nice one.

01:21:28.820 Thank you all so much for being here.

01:21:31.560 Thank you so much.

01:21:32.260 Thanks, Megan.

01:21:33.420 Wow.

01:21:34.060 Powerful group of women. 1.00

01:21:35.620 Coming up, Mike Solana is back with me.

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01:26:21.640 Joining me now, Mike Solana.

01:26:23.740 He's editor-in-chief of Pirate Wires and chief marketing officer at Founders Fund.

01:26:29.520 Mike, thanks so much for being here.

01:26:31.440 Let me just get your reaction to this whole story because you're in the media and I'm looking at the media coverage of this.

01:26:37.680 Let me just give you a flavor.

01:26:38.880 New York Times, okay, they, as of yesterday evening, they did cover the story, but they buried it.

01:26:48.560 They pushed it way down a list of their favorite stories, which included,

01:26:53.960 She became an elite runner by leaving running behind.

01:26:56.940 The restaurant list of 2025.

01:26:59.620 Nepali troops moved to restore order as death toll rises to 22.

01:27:04.040 Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist problem for the right.

01:27:07.180 Apple introduces new, slimmer iPhone.

01:27:09.520 He risked everything to leave China.

01:27:11.020 The U.S. sent him back.

01:27:12.060 The Starbucks turnaround that has baristas and customers steamed.

01:27:16.100 This murder did not rank above those stories.

01:27:19.700 Washington Post, they didn't even bother.

01:27:21.680 I was at 6 p.m. last night, did not have the story posted at all on their homepage, but they did have an op-ed from Leanna Nguyen, how states can protect vaccines from RFK Jr.

01:27:32.540 Oliver North weds his secretary, why climate change could ramp up our sugar intake, should you drink whole milk or low fat, suspected wedding crashers arrested in $60,000 heist.

01:27:44.740 Paula Deen isn't here to convince you she's not a racist.

01:27:48.040 I'm sensing a pattern here, Mike.

01:27:50.800 I'm sensing a pattern.

01:27:52.500 Yeah, I mean, I was following this story a little bit.

01:27:55.960 Well, I guess quite a lot over the last couple of days.

01:27:59.780 And the main thing, I think the big the big shift in it was Axios reporting for the first time.

01:28:04.820 And of course, the immediate reporting is like not about the heinous murder on the train, but about, you know, the fact that people are upset about it.

01:28:14.900 And it was it was a Republicans pouncing kind of story.

01:28:19.020 It was ridiculous.

01:28:19.820 And the media and it will continue going on this way.

01:28:22.540 But I do think there's been an uprising.

01:28:23.860 You know, the media is not the media anymore.

01:28:25.960 They're just not they're not in control anymore.

01:28:29.400 Just ask Kamala Harris, who did not get elected and probably would have if the media had the control they used to. 1.00

01:28:36.220 We've got to talk about the Kamala Harris book excerpt that just hit in The Atlantic.

01:28:42.920 You know, she's got this book coming out, 107 Days.

01:28:46.020 And that's the name of the book, 107 Days, which is the amount of time she ran for president.

01:28:50.200 And The Atlantic has an excerpt of it, which I've really been looking forward to sharing with you.

01:28:56.640 I'm of two minds because she sounds like such a whiny brat in this thing. 1.00

01:29:02.200 Like, my God, could you find another thing to complain about?

01:29:05.220 It's she really can't stand Joe Biden's team.

01:29:08.340 That's clear.

01:29:09.180 But on the other hand, they do sound like pricks.

01:29:12.760 And I'm persuaded that they're bad people.

01:29:15.180 I've read this excerpt, so you don't have to, because I do find it interesting just as a window into her and also a window into Team Biden.

01:29:23.740 All right, here's here's a bit.

01:29:27.180 She's talking first about Biden has stepped down.

01:29:30.360 He's said, OK, Kamala should be the nominee.

01:29:33.320 And you may recall he announced that he was going to be addressing the nation from the Oval Office later that evening.

01:29:38.340 She writes about watching it at her hotel that night.

01:29:41.100 She's already on the campaign trail. 1.00

01:29:42.320 She's the presumptive nominee because he's passed her the baton.

01:29:45.480 She writes, it was a good speech drawing on the history of the presidency to locate his own place within it.

01:29:50.220 But as my staff leader pointed out, it was almost nine minutes into the 11 minute address before he mentioned me, me.

01:30:00.720 I want to thank our great vice president, Kamala Harris.

01:30:03.740 She's experienced.

01:30:04.940 She's tough.

01:30:05.820 She's capable.

01:30:06.980 She's been an incredible partner to me and leader for our country.

01:30:10.820 And then she comes back in with. 0.98

01:30:13.300 And that was it.

01:30:14.840 I am a loyal person.

01:30:17.480 She said she's pissed.

01:30:18.820 She did not get mentioned earlier.

01:30:21.100 I'm a loyal person.

01:30:22.960 During all those months of growing panic, should I have told Joe to consider not running?

01:30:27.860 Perhaps.

01:30:28.840 But the American people had chosen him before in the same matchup, meaning against Trump.

01:30:33.440 Maybe he was right to believe that they would do so again.

01:30:36.880 He was, by some measures, the most consistently underestimated man in Washington.

01:30:40.500 He'd been right about his tactics for pushing his agenda through a resistant Congress.

01:30:44.080 It was just possible he was right about this, too.

01:30:46.520 And of all the people in the White House, I was in the worst position to make the case that he should drop out.

01:30:51.300 I knew it would come off to him as incredibly self-serving.

01:30:53.700 If I'd advised him not to run, he would see it as naked ambition, perhaps as poisonous disloyalty, even if my only message was, don't let the other guy win.

01:31:02.460 It's Joe and Jill's decision.

01:31:04.460 We all said that, like a mantra, as if we'd all been hypnotized.

01:31:08.300 Was it grace or was it recklessness?

01:31:10.440 In retrospect, I think it was recklessness.

01:31:13.500 The stakes were simply too high.

01:31:15.480 This wasn't a choice that should have been left to an individual's ego, an individual's ambition.

01:31:21.260 It should have been more than a personal decision.

01:31:24.360 Cackle.

01:31:25.380 No, I just added that.

01:31:26.480 That's not in there.

01:31:28.660 Many people want to spin up a narrative of some big conspiracy at the White House to hide Joe Biden's infirmity.

01:31:36.140 Here is the truth as I lived it, my lived experience, as I lived it.

01:31:40.720 Joe Biden was a smart guy with long experience and deep conviction, able to discharge the duties of president.

01:31:45.740 On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best.

01:31:52.220 But at 81, Joe got tired.

01:31:54.460 That's when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles.

01:31:57.240 I don't think it's any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser.

01:32:04.400 I don't believe it was incapacity.

01:32:06.700 If I believed that, I would have said so.

01:32:09.040 As loyal as I am to President Biden, I'm more loyal to my country.

01:32:12.020 By the way, 100%, this is all written by a speechwriter.

01:32:14.380 I mean, a ghostwriter.

01:32:15.380 Zero chance.

01:32:16.420 Kamala Harris has never been quite this articulate in her life.

01:32:19.480 I was well aware of my delicate status.

01:32:21.820 Lore has it that every outgoing chief of staff always tells the incoming president's chief of staff, rule number one, watch the VP.

01:32:34.400 This is her, like, I'm a threat.

01:32:35.700 I'm tough.

01:32:36.280 They had to watch me.

01:32:37.980 Because I'd gone after him over busing in the 2019 primary debate, I came into the White House with what we lawyers call a rebuttable presumption.

01:32:45.100 I had to prove my loyalty time and time again.

01:32:47.340 When Fox News attacked me on everything from my laugh to my tone of voice to whom I dated in my 20s or claimed I was a DEI hire, the White House rarely pushed back with my actual resume.

01:32:58.820 Like, they should have been running out there, Mike, saying, she's a lawyer.

01:33:03.040 She's smart.

01:33:03.660 She's really smart.

01:33:04.860 Trust us.

01:33:05.200 She's smart.

01:33:06.280 Two terms elected DA, top cop in the second largest DOJ in the United States, meaning Attorney General of California, where it's just a political greasy pole if you're a Democrat.

01:33:16.480 Senator representing one in eight Americans, meaning, again, Senator from the same state, California.

01:33:23.900 Lorraine Volz, my chief of staff, constantly had to advocate for my role at events.

01:33:28.020 She's not going to stand there like a potted plant. 1.00

01:33:29.840 Give her two minutes of remarks. 0.90

01:33:31.760 Have her introduce the president.

01:33:33.480 They had a huge comms team.

01:33:35.380 They had Corrine Jean-Pierre briefing in the press room every day.

01:33:38.520 But getting anything positive said about my work or any defense against untrue attacks was almost impossible.

01:33:47.220 They had better things to do, you nitwit.

01:33:50.120 They had their hands full defending the infirm, mentally incompetent president.

01:33:54.600 Go ahead, Mike.

01:33:55.080 Well, let's talk about the resume.

01:33:57.140 I mean, she just glosses over it.

01:33:59.220 She's like, why didn't they talk about your resume?

01:34:01.580 You were the DA of San Francisco for, what, two terms?

01:34:04.640 I don't think there's much of a resume there.

01:34:06.860 Certainly not something they want to mention out loud in the middle of this crime moment where people are worried about the endemic crime of San Francisco.

01:34:14.140 And then she was a senator. 0.67

01:34:15.220 And it reminds me a lot of what you were talking a lot in the last segment about the judges and their background.

01:34:20.420 These are like, these are DEI people.

01:34:22.520 And this is the way a DEI person talks about their resume, not in terms of their accomplishments, but the fact that they got these jobs.

01:34:30.480 They had these titles.

01:34:31.840 And if you could just, like, say these things out loud to people, they'll like them or something.

01:34:35.480 And that's not how this works.

01:34:36.480 And can you imagine J.D. Vance being like, why doesn't Caroline Levitt defend me?

01:34:42.200 Why doesn't she talk about my resume?

01:34:44.260 Like, would you just be a grown-up and, like, either take the slings and arrows like a grown-up or go out there and give an interview and defend your damn self, you whiny little brat? 0.84

01:34:55.640 All right, there's more.

01:34:56.440 Yeah.

01:34:56.520 This is an example on how they never said anything about the untrue attacks against her.

01:35:02.500 As an example, in 2021, I was dispatched to the Élysée Palace to help reset our tattered relationship with France after we signed the Australia-UK-U.S. security pact.

01:35:11.460 Australia had agreed to buy submarines from France but scrapped that contract when we and the U.K. agreed to supply Australia with nuclear subs instead.

01:35:18.860 This had caused tremendous friction.

01:35:20.580 So she met with Macron, she warmed the chill by focusing on our many areas of cooperation, such as space exploration.

01:35:28.320 Okay, sure.

01:35:29.320 I mean, this is my thought.

01:35:31.080 Did you?

01:35:33.240 Sure, Jan.

01:35:35.040 Okay.

01:35:35.920 Okay.

01:35:36.660 She says she did.

01:35:38.420 Then she says, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:41.780 I was invited to visit the renowned Pasteur Institute where my mother had worked as an mRNA researcher.

01:35:48.040 I was speaking informally with a scientist about how I wish politicians would more closely follow the scientific method, testing a hypothesis and adjusting according to results, rather than coming up with the plan, as if they had all the answers up front.

01:36:01.160 Yes, you're a scientist now, Kamala.

01:36:03.220 I said the plan with exaggerated emphasis and air quotes.

01:36:07.960 Fox News, The New York Post, and Newsmax went wild, claiming I'd faked a French accent.

01:36:13.760 That was total nonsense, but the White House seemed glad to let reporting about my gaffe overwhelm the significant thaw in foreign relations I had achieved.

01:36:24.660 Well, let's play the tape.

01:36:25.840 I haven't, I don't remember that story.

01:36:27.080 Let's see, let's see if we think it's a fake accent.

01:36:28.660 With us in government, we campaign with the plan, uppercase T, uppercase P, the plan.

01:36:39.060 And then the environment is such that we're expected to defend the plan.

01:36:44.420 Even when the first time we roll it out, there may be some glitches and it's time to reevaluate and then do it again.

01:36:50.420 I got to say the first one did seem to be a da plan as opposed to the plan.

01:36:56.360 I see why they went with it.

01:36:58.020 I feel, here's the thing.

01:36:59.980 I think that she's a funny person sort of accidentally, but if she just surrounded herself with people who would tease her a bit more, I think she would learn this about herself and she would lean into it.

01:37:10.560 Like she is Veep.

01:37:11.640 This is, this is who this person is.

01:37:13.200 She's, that's, there she is.

01:37:14.640 And she is this like buffoonish, clownish character who should not be there.

01:37:18.240 She even said, I remember during the election, it might've been, she talked about this dream of hers that she had, not of being president, but of opening a restaurant in Napa Valley that would just serve like one dish a day.

01:37:29.720 And I remember thinking, I would, I'll go, I'll go to that restaurant.

01:37:33.940 I think that you should do this.

01:37:35.400 Like you should do other things.

01:37:36.920 She seems like a fun person.

01:37:38.520 I just, I wish that she would maybe see in herself what I see in her.

01:37:42.300 It's so true. 0.84

01:37:43.160 She could be like a fun restaurant owner. 0.97

01:37:45.300 I would eat the dish.

01:37:46.320 I just don't want her with the nuclear codes.

01:37:48.480 It's all fine.

01:37:49.540 You know, I certainly don't want her making any decisions about policing.

01:37:52.980 Okay.

01:37:54.480 Worse.

01:37:55.180 I often learned that the president's staff was adding fuel to negative narratives that spring up around me.

01:38:01.980 One narrative that took a stubborn hold was that I had a chaotic office and unusually high staff turnover during my first year.

01:38:08.620 Now, I'm just going to say it is, um, it is shitty when you realize that people who are supposed to be on your team are leaking or pushing negative stories about you to the press.

01:38:20.800 I didn't say anything whatsoever about NBC.

01:38:23.900 I wouldn't do that.

01:38:24.980 Um, that's, that's not something I would ever do, but I just know from random past experiences, I choose not to name that when your own colleagues go out there and do that to you, it does make them shit people and makes you feel bad.

01:38:36.960 So I, I have some empathy for her here and I have no trouble believing that the Joe Biden team was shitty.

01:38:42.840 She writes, um, this isn't nice because the white house is a revolving door of people.

01:38:47.600 It's not really for everybody.

01:38:49.020 So no, no wonder there was turnover.

01:38:51.140 She says the first year in any white house sees staff churn working for the first woman vice president.

01:38:56.840 My staff had the additional challenge of confronting gendered stereotypes, a constant battle that could prove exhausting.

01:39:04.700 Mike, see, no matter how bad you think you had it or Joe Biden had it under the douchebags of the Obama presidency, she had it worse because insert cue here, black woman. 1.00

01:39:17.020 Yeah, but then she also wants to not be known as the DEI hire, right?

01:39:20.000 She's like, don't you dare talk about my identity, but my identity is core to everything that I experience.

01:39:24.560 I've had so many more challenges.

01:39:28.340 Poor me.

01:39:30.020 And when the stories were unfair or inaccurate, the president's inner circle seemed fine with it.

01:39:36.420 Indeed, it seemed as if they decided I should be knocked down a little more.

01:39:40.700 Well, maybe that's what you signed onto after agreeing to be the VP for someone you said publicly was a racist.

01:39:47.500 Maybe there were some scores to settle, right?

01:39:50.040 I mean, like it seemed worth it to you at the time.

01:39:52.700 Yeah, that is funny.

01:39:55.400 You always do have to go back to that debate where he was like it was like Kamala said this man is a racist and he said she's a cop.

01:40:04.220 And it's like probably neither of them were either of those things.

01:40:06.980 But how could they ever work together after that?

01:40:11.340 Yeah, no, exactly.

01:40:12.440 Of course.

01:40:13.000 And she didn't care.

01:40:13.960 She couldn't care less that there was bad blood.

01:40:15.860 She wanted to be the first female black VP, whatever she is. 1.00

01:40:19.980 Okay, so here this is her trying to make the point that it seems sometimes like they decided I should be knocked down a little more.

01:40:27.520 Next sentence.

01:40:28.800 The VP should take on irregular migration.

01:40:31.660 From March 2021, my assignment was to attack the root causes of the misery that was driving people from their homes.

01:40:38.200 Then we get two pages on how she wasn't the border czar and no one from the comms team helped her to effectively push back and explain what she'd really been tasked to do, nor to highlight any of the progress I had achieved.

01:40:52.060 Then she goes on.

01:40:52.760 I had numerous bilateral meetings.

01:40:55.380 I had multiple calls.

01:40:57.100 I met with activist groups.

01:40:59.320 Good God, the border was a sieve in record numbers.

01:41:04.280 They were flooding us.

01:41:05.540 And she's wondering why she wasn't given more credit for her meetings and her phone calls, Mike.

01:41:10.980 Yeah, she should have been thanking them.

01:41:13.020 Like, thank you so much for not mentioning this, like, historically bad job that I'm doing.

01:41:17.540 She did.

01:41:18.080 Now, I actually read this.

01:41:19.620 I would only have read this for you, but I did read this before this discussion.

01:41:24.420 And I was interested in her approach to the border, which is like, you know, people wouldn't come here if things were better.

01:41:31.240 You know, they were investing in these local communities or whatever.

01:41:33.240 That's, like, conceptually interesting, though she takes credit for something that clearly didn't work.

01:41:38.000 It just practically doesn't work at all because there are 650 million people south of the border, and you can't fix all of South America in an attempt to keep them coming to America, to the United States. 0.99

01:41:49.880 And I wish that we would have that discussion publicly because, like, if that was the White House's strategy to keeping immigrants out, that's extremely bad.

01:41:58.600 And we should have a national conversation on that.

01:42:01.200 That's exactly right.

01:42:02.020 She talks all about how, like, she was really working to create opportunities in places like Guatemala to reduce their urge to leave Guatemala.

01:42:10.240 But, I mean, it's like, okay, you know, I took out my little butter knife and I chipped away at that edge of the Titanic iceberg, and I whittled it down.

01:42:20.280 You know, by a good inch, I shaved off that thing.

01:42:23.340 Okay, madam, but the ship hit the berg and thousands of people died.

01:42:28.380 So, you know, you could forgive the White House press office for not touting her big achievements.

01:42:34.400 So she's really a victim because she basically solved immigration and they wouldn't talk about it.

01:42:41.720 I wanted to get the good news out, but White House staff stalled.

01:42:47.600 Not yet.

01:42:48.620 We need more data.

01:42:50.160 The story would remain untold.

01:42:52.480 It's amazing.

01:42:53.880 They're trying to gently tell her, you've done nothing.

01:42:56.960 These are teaspoons in the ocean, madam.

01:42:58.980 And she's like, I'm a winner.

01:43:01.540 Tell the world.

01:43:03.340 Well, because she's, it's so, I do think it's important, though, because that's the reaction she's used to.

01:43:07.720 I mean, you got it.

01:43:08.620 Why was she selected to run for the vice president? 1.00

01:43:11.460 She's, what, she was the senator from California? 0.98

01:43:14.280 Was Joe really, like, in danger of losing California?

01:43:17.280 He was clearly in danger of losing the presidency, but not California.

01:43:20.600 Like, she was selected for two very obvious reasons.

01:43:22.920 And it wasn't that she was going to be helping with the immigration crisis.

01:43:26.660 No, no.

01:43:27.660 So she thinks she's scoring points.

01:43:30.020 The White House staff is like, oh, my God, she wants us to talk about her successes in immigration.

01:43:35.360 It's the no.

01:43:37.920 And she's still delusional because she's writing in her book about how, like, they didn't listen to me.

01:43:42.840 I told her.

01:43:43.440 Their story remained untold.

01:43:45.440 I'm breaking it right here, she's basically saying.

01:43:48.760 Instead, I shouldered the blame for the porous border.

01:43:52.640 Okay, that's a fair point.

01:43:54.060 She didn't cause the porous border.

01:43:55.220 The guy at the top was in charge.

01:43:57.660 And, yeah, he did shoulder, ultimately, the blame because he lost.

01:44:01.280 Anyway, she writes, no one around the president advocate.

01:44:05.560 Give her something she can win with.

01:44:08.220 Now, that's interesting.

01:44:09.760 And I'll bet you that that's true.

01:44:11.780 Like, they actually didn't look out for her in that way because they don't give a shit about her.

01:44:15.780 She's the VP.

01:44:16.800 They work for the other guy.

01:44:18.500 Just because she's the VP doesn't mean they're friends or like each other at all, at all.

01:44:23.120 So then she writes, then the Dobbs decision came down.

01:44:28.520 Abortion.

01:44:29.520 I love abortion. 0.66

01:44:31.400 She's like, ah, this is my issue.

01:44:33.540 Abortion and race, these are my two favorites. 1.00

01:44:36.480 Yes.

01:44:37.900 So she writes, here was a huge issue on which the president was not seeking to lead.

01:44:44.820 Joe struggled to talk about reproductive rights in a way that met the gravity of the moment.

01:44:51.240 He ceded that leadership to me.

01:44:55.380 Okay.

01:44:56.020 Here we go.

01:44:57.820 Me.

01:45:00.400 Yeah.

01:45:01.300 He ceded it to me.

01:45:03.420 I initiated a national tour.

01:45:07.160 I rallied the outrage in red states and blue stakes alight.

01:45:11.980 And she goes on about all the stuff she did.

01:45:13.700 And she continues.

01:45:14.640 Joe was already polling badly on the age issue with roughly 75% of voters saying he was too old to be an effective president.

01:45:21.640 Then he started taking on water for his perceived blank check to Netanyahu in Gaza when polls indicated that I was getting more popular.

01:45:30.060 The people around him didn't like the contrast that was emerging.

01:45:34.720 When did that happen?

01:45:35.700 I have no recollection of her ever being popular.

01:45:39.160 What is she talking about?

01:45:41.240 She wasn't.

01:45:43.060 I don't know.

01:45:44.140 It's like her team fed her a bunch of bullshit and it's made it now into her book.

01:45:49.140 She says, okay, in Selma, Alabama, at the commemoration of Bloody Sunday when civil rights marchers were attacked and beaten once they crossed the Edmund Pettus Bridge, I gave a strong speech on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

01:46:02.600 And she goes on to give the examples of what she said.

01:46:04.440 It was a speech that had been vetted and approved by the White House and the National Security Council.

01:46:09.820 It went viral and the West Wing was displeased.

01:46:15.580 I was castigated for apparently delivering it too well.

01:46:20.680 This movie, I should have had this cut from, oh, what's the name of the movie?

01:46:25.340 Oh my God, it'll come to me.

01:46:26.660 With Henry Winkler and Michael Keaton.

01:46:29.760 They banned me.

01:46:30.520 They banned me for being too good a player.

01:46:32.340 That's right.

01:46:33.300 I go to Vegas.

01:46:34.420 They banned me because I was too good a player.

01:46:36.520 That's her. 0.88

01:46:37.360 I was castigated.

01:46:38.340 What was it?

01:46:39.820 Night shift.

01:46:40.600 Yes, night shift.

01:46:41.520 It was night shift.

01:46:42.900 Thank you for my retro movie lovers.

01:46:46.840 Yeah, I was castigated for being too good, delivering it too well.

01:46:52.420 Okay, I'd love to see the evidence of that.

01:46:54.760 Okay, here's the last paragraph.

01:46:56.580 Their thinking was zero sum.

01:46:58.960 If she's shining, he's dimmed.

01:47:03.140 None of them grasped that if I did well, he did well.

01:47:06.920 That given the concerns about his age, my visible success as his vice president was vital.

01:47:13.760 It would serve as a testament to his judgment in choosing me and reassurance that if something

01:47:19.540 happened, the country was in good hands.

01:47:21.660 My success was important for him.

01:47:25.120 His team didn't get it.

01:47:28.060 The end of the excerpt.

01:47:31.280 Mike, this is unbelievable.

01:47:33.520 Yeah.

01:47:33.740 I mean, neither of them succeeded, to be clear.

01:47:36.520 Like, that is proven out.

01:47:38.260 They both had an opportunity.

01:47:39.380 They both failed.

01:47:40.160 They failed together.

01:47:41.000 They failed apart.

01:47:41.860 They never stopped failing even.

01:47:44.280 I guess there was that brief, there was like that like two-week period when we were doing

01:47:48.020 Brat Summer. 0.79

01:47:48.820 And it's, it like maybe felt like Kamala was not failing, but like in hindsight, she was

01:47:52.920 failing.

01:47:53.380 Like it truly never ended.

01:47:55.280 And I don't know.

01:47:56.980 I guess, I think it's, it was interesting that the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic at the

01:48:02.260 top of the excerpt that they ran indicated that he was surprised by her being somehow

01:48:07.400 less buffoonish or something in this.

01:48:09.000 And, um, yeah, I didn't, there's only, I'm not going to give her any credit for being

01:48:16.640 candid.

01:48:17.140 These are things that we kind of already know and we could tell while watching everything

01:48:21.360 go down.

01:48:22.060 The only thing I want her to be candid about is to the question of who was running our

01:48:26.880 country for the last four years.

01:48:28.480 Like we still, I would love to know that for sure.

01:48:31.600 And she was there.

01:48:33.080 Where is it?

01:48:34.040 Like, where is it?

01:48:35.100 This is the tell all book.

01:48:36.120 Like, tell me who was the president.

01:48:37.700 I would like to know that.

01:48:39.000 And until she's willing to do that, then I, I, as much as I want to go to the restaurant,

01:48:42.560 I can't give her too much credit.

01:48:45.260 It's amazing how she's still riddled in grievance.

01:48:49.880 You know, it's very, I got definitely getting some Meghan Markle vibes here, you know, like

01:48:53.740 poor me.

01:48:56.600 I will.

01:48:57.420 Yes.

01:48:57.940 But also it's, it's still not as bad as Hillary's book.

01:49:01.080 What was it?

01:49:01.600 What happened?

01:49:02.360 And I mean, I feel like the, the misery that followed that loss was, was so enormous that

01:49:08.600 in, in the context of that, it's not, I don't think it's quite as bad yet.

01:49:12.560 Yeah.

01:49:13.060 Yeah.

01:49:13.380 But it's funny to me that like, she's really taking aim at Joe Biden and his staff, his

01:49:18.700 staff in particular.

01:49:19.460 Whereas like, where was that attitude when you needed it?

01:49:22.800 Where was that on Colbert and on the view when you were asked, what would you do differently?

01:49:27.320 And she's like, oh, nothing.

01:49:28.480 And there's no distance between me and Joe Biden.

01:49:30.280 Where the, I'm like, you're, this can do nothing for you.

01:49:33.120 Now you can sell a couple of books, but you're actually not getting paid out on that.

01:49:36.380 You're getting paid by your advanced anyway, advanced.

01:49:38.460 So what, what good does this do you now?

01:49:42.120 It'll be interesting to see if she even says in the book, what she would do differently,

01:49:45.620 because even on the campaign trail, she didn't remember she had no, there were, there were

01:49:49.580 no policy positions on her website.

01:49:51.120 I tried to write about it.

01:49:52.260 I was genuinely curious, like, what does this woman think or care about or want to do? 0.99

01:49:56.800 And it was really hard to do that.

01:49:58.660 And so now she has a book, presumably she'll say something.

01:50:02.300 I am curious.

01:50:03.220 I haven't seen anything yet, so it'll be nice to see if anything.

01:50:06.220 My number one takeaway on this is I, I miss her.

01:50:11.000 Yeah.

01:50:11.480 I'm glad she's back.

01:50:12.280 Yeah, she added something special to the mix for sure. 0.93

01:50:15.380 And I think you just can't, that coconut stuff, the coconut thing.

01:50:19.000 I mean, you don't fall out of that coconut tree.

01:50:22.380 You can't say what she did was effective, but you can, I think what you can give her is

01:50:25.980 that no one else was doing it.

01:50:29.400 Okay.

01:50:30.040 We, we got to get to, um, morning Joe, uh, discussing this excerpt.

01:50:35.320 This was something to behold that their whole team sitting around their round desk, talking

01:50:40.260 about this excerpt that keep in mind with you, when you watch this clip and all the audience

01:50:44.960 knows this, but just as a reminder, everybody on there, but especially Joe and Mika, totally

01:50:49.680 complicit in the Biden mental frailty coverup.

01:50:54.560 I mean, 100% complicit and they're also team Biden.

01:50:59.580 They're not team Kamala.

01:51:00.980 They, they, they resisted her and the switcheroo harder than anyone.

01:51:05.460 Remember Mika did her, her, you know, she gave the, the, like the defense for Joe Biden's,

01:51:10.440 uh, performance at that debate.

01:51:11.980 Like he traveled, she had the number of hours he traveled and like the number of stops they

01:51:16.420 made.

01:51:16.760 And she'd clearly been in touch with the white house to come up with the perfect defense

01:51:19.200 on why it wasn't what we thought it was.

01:51:21.220 And then Scarborough was like, no, he, he's brilliant, blah, blah.

01:51:24.960 Okay.

01:51:25.560 That's, that's what you're about to keep in your mind as you watch them trying to run cover,

01:51:29.580 um, in response to that excerpt.

01:51:32.220 Here it is.

01:51:33.900 Um, that is from Kamala Harris's new book.

01:51:38.000 Yeah.

01:51:38.240 Let's just say, uh, so Willie or, uh, whoever, who, uh, who, who, who wants to take the jump

01:51:44.420 ball here?

01:51:45.740 Rev, I'll go to you.

01:51:46.880 So, you know, politics, I mean, you, you, you've, you've run for president.

01:51:50.140 Um, a couple of things here.

01:51:52.460 I can understand everybody wringing their hands saying, why didn't we step in?

01:51:57.780 Why didn't we intervene?

01:51:58.740 I can understand the vice president, vice president Harris doing that.

01:52:01.640 But, but people that know Joe Biden and Jill Biden, no, speaking of jump balls, nobody was

01:52:09.040 going to take that ball from their hands.

01:52:11.100 They were determined early on.

01:52:13.220 She did herself no favors.

01:52:14.500 I mean, she, she had a terrible time with her staff the first year or two.

01:52:18.940 It was, uh, the, the, the white house was having to do triage on her staffing problems. 0.99

01:52:25.920 Everybody leaving.

01:52:27.320 I will say when I saw him, he was slow.

01:52:30.580 He was, you know, plodding.

01:52:33.400 He was, his neck was stiff.

01:52:35.360 Everything was really stiff.

01:52:37.300 And you're like, eh, walks around slowly.

01:52:39.680 But when he sat down, may have spoken more quietly and more haltingly.

01:52:44.460 But man, I never once saw him where he blanked out.

01:52:49.640 Never saw him where he blanked out.

01:52:51.540 Really?

01:52:52.600 I, now I'm really struggling to remember how Joe Scarborough talked about Joe Biden at

01:52:57.320 the time.

01:52:57.680 A little birdie in my mind is reminding me, it didn't sound anything like that whatsoever.

01:53:05.100 Yeah.

01:53:05.520 I mean, the man has dementia and, uh, Kamala in the piece did a lot of what he did there

01:53:10.980 too.

01:53:11.380 She's like, you know, when we would speak, it would be slower, but yeah, he's old, but

01:53:17.080 he, he wasn't, he wasn't, it wasn't the debate that we all watched.

01:53:20.880 And I don't know, there's still a lot of dishonesty happening here.

01:53:24.100 The, the, the level of discomfort, if you watch the full clip is so palpable.

01:53:29.260 You could hear him stuttering at the beginning of the clip, right?

01:53:31.900 And like, no one wants to take it because they all are like, oh my God, what, what do

01:53:36.220 I say?

01:53:36.860 Right?

01:53:37.220 It's like, there's a fight between mom and dad for these two.

01:53:40.160 We don't know whose side to take because while dad is our favorite, he, he bailed, he left

01:53:45.680 the home.

01:53:46.200 He left us with just mom and mom turned out to be a ridiculous person. 1.00

01:53:50.040 So I don't really want to hit her, but she's attacking dad. 0.79

01:53:52.940 So I kind of feel like I have to, you could see the conflict of the so-called journalists

01:53:56.640 on set.

01:53:57.820 Yeah.

01:53:58.120 They don't know whose side to take because they don't know who's going to be in power

01:54:00.520 in a few years.

01:54:01.280 They don't know who's going to be running for president and which staffers are going to

01:54:04.000 be where, and they have no sense of identity anymore.

01:54:06.660 They don't stand for anything and they haven't gotten those new marching orders.

01:54:11.200 They're, they don't know what they're supposed to do yet.

01:54:12.920 And they were part of it.

01:54:14.120 You know what I mean?

01:54:14.760 Like Joe, Joe Skarlberg was the best Biden ever roll.

01:54:19.020 Start your tape right now.

01:54:20.900 The best Biden ever.

01:54:22.420 And now he's got to be out there like, oh, well, uh, he was slow.

01:54:26.040 Oh, he was halting.

01:54:27.660 Well, Joe, that doesn't sound like best Biden ever.

01:54:30.140 That doesn't sound like best Biden at all.

01:54:32.500 Why did you say that?

01:54:34.140 They've never, ever taken responsibility for their complicity in the lie that was told,

01:54:39.480 nor has Kamala, you know, she calls it the chapter.

01:54:43.220 What's the name of it again?

01:54:45.400 The constant battle.

01:54:46.920 I mean, I would suggest the constant battle was for her to not tell the world that we

01:54:52.360 didn't really have a president, that it was president auto pen.

01:54:54.720 And she was probably bitter too, that she wasn't president because if he had told the

01:54:58.860 truth or anyone in the cabinet had come forward, there would have been a movement to 25th

01:55:02.780 amendment him and she would have taken over. 0.97

01:55:05.620 Yep.

01:55:06.220 And then she would have had a better shot at winning the presidency because that just seems

01:55:10.020 to be how these things go, right?

01:55:11.240 You have the incumbent advantage, at least if it happened early enough.

01:55:13.860 And, um, but that was her move and she didn't take it because she's not, she's not like an 0.99

01:55:19.100 active player in her own life.

01:55:21.080 It seems she's just been placed in these, in these positions.

01:55:23.940 Yeah.

01:55:24.040 She's used to just being, just being elevated.

01:55:26.360 Here's the thought.

01:55:28.580 He, he might misplace a word here and there, but you talk to him for hours at a time.

01:55:34.240 Is he slower?

01:55:35.340 Does he move slower?

01:55:36.280 Yeah.

01:55:36.440 He's moved slower.

01:55:37.780 Uh, is he stiffer?

01:55:39.180 Yeah.

01:55:39.420 He moves stiffer.

01:55:40.520 Does he have trouble walking sometimes?

01:55:42.420 Yeah.

01:55:42.720 So did FDR.

01:55:43.500 I've said it for years now.

01:55:45.800 He's cogent, but I undersold him when I said he was cogent.

01:55:50.720 He's far beyond cogent.

01:55:53.020 In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been.

01:55:56.440 Start your tape right now.

01:55:57.980 Cause I'm about to tell you the truth and F you, if you can't handle the truth, this version

01:56:05.880 of Biden intellectually, analytically is the best Biden ever.

01:56:13.040 Not a close second.

01:56:14.320 And I've known him for years.

01:56:15.960 The Brzezinski's have known him for 50 years.

01:56:18.340 If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't say it.

01:56:21.920 Yeah.

01:56:22.580 Okay.

01:56:23.180 Uh, that, that was three months before the debate debacle.

01:56:26.260 And now he, well, you know, he was slow.

01:56:28.640 He was halting.

01:56:29.760 He was, where was that?

01:56:31.320 Did very different message coming from Scarborough three months before that debate.

01:56:35.880 Comparing him to FDR is crazy.

01:56:37.920 First of all, that's like a crazy thing to say out loud ever in any context, let alone

01:56:42.200 this, you know, election when clearly this guy has dementia.

01:56:45.100 But the big takeaway there for me was, uh, the Brzezinski's have known him for 50 years.

01:56:49.220 So we know what's happening here.

01:56:50.960 You know, this person, you're very close to this person and now you're lying for him and

01:56:54.400 you still are.

01:56:55.720 Yeah.

01:56:56.220 He's your grandpa and you're rooting for him and you won't just make that clear.

01:56:59.740 Um, by the way, Kamala Harris sounded very different in her writeup and the constant battle 0.92

01:57:04.340 excerpt from her book, 107 days.

01:57:06.380 Then she did after that debate in, in here, she calls it a debacle. 0.98

01:57:10.880 Let's take a listen to what she said.

01:57:12.660 I think to Anderson Cooper right after the debate.

01:57:15.700 One said it was a disaster.

01:57:17.920 Another called it a train wreck.

01:57:19.700 Those are Democrats.

01:57:21.260 Listen, people can debate on style points, but ultimately this election and who is the

01:57:27.620 president of the United States has to be about substance.

01:57:30.520 He was a very different person on the stage four years ago when, when you debated him,

01:57:34.980 you must, I mean, that, that's certainly true.

01:57:37.760 Is it not?

01:57:39.900 Anderson, the point has to be performance in terms of what a president does.

01:57:46.740 I got the point that you're making about a one and a half hour debate tonight.

01:57:50.660 You can't honestly say, I mean, can you say that you are not concerned at all having watched

01:57:57.860 the president's performance tonight?

01:58:00.860 It was a slow start.

01:58:02.260 That's obvious to everyone.

01:58:03.320 I'm not going to debate that point.

01:58:05.480 A slow start.

01:58:06.700 That's a slow start.

01:58:08.280 It's amazing to watch the politicians, the lying liars lie, also known as our one-time

01:58:13.900 vice president.

01:58:14.880 Well, this was still like the game of Thrones moment though, where it was her, it was Pete

01:58:20.200 Buttigieg, it was Gavin Newsom being asked relentless questions about like, are you going

01:58:24.380 to step in here?

01:58:25.180 Are you going to be running here?

01:58:26.500 And so I think there, she was maybe trying to play it nice, you know, not offend anybody.

01:58:32.660 She has to look like she should put, she's supporting this guy, but my read of her, I

01:58:37.480 mean, it seemed like she was by body language kind of all but admitting, oh yeah, there's

01:58:42.540 a problem here.

01:58:43.380 You know, it's, it's, it's time for someone else to come in.

01:58:46.500 I mean, that's, that's my read of that.

01:58:48.400 I think she's trying to have it both ways there.

01:58:50.760 Um, okay.

01:58:51.360 While we're on the subject of mornings, Joe, I've got to show you this soundbite between

01:58:54.940 Mika Brzezinski and Tom Homan, our border czar, our actual border czar, who's actually deporting

01:59:01.360 illegals as we speak. 0.85

01:59:03.280 He actually, to his credit, went on MSNBC with that crew.

01:59:06.920 MS, no. 0.70

01:59:07.940 And here's how that went.

01:59:09.100 I'd love some transparency as to why a lot of these people have been disappeared.

01:59:16.300 You say you have data, uh, we would love to see it.

01:59:20.740 Well, here's the rhetoric again, right?

01:59:22.060 You just meant disappeared.

01:59:23.420 That was a ridiculous thing to say.

01:59:25.420 Why?

01:59:25.760 Because ICE is, ICE is doing the same thing we've done for decades.

01:59:29.560 But because of the last four years, ICE wasn't allowed to enforce a law.

01:59:33.720 If you don't like what ICE is doing, then go protest Congress.

01:59:36.900 However, to say we disappeared people?

01:59:38.860 No, we're arresting people that are in the country illegally and are public safety threat. 1.00

01:59:44.160 We know exactly who we're going to arrest when we go look for them.

01:59:47.340 We have a case file in front of us.

01:59:49.240 We have all those facts.

01:59:50.600 This is not disappearing people.

01:59:52.300 This is a plan.

01:59:53.720 The comments that you just made is one of the reasons why these men and women are under threat

01:59:58.460 every day.

01:59:59.140 And you using the term disappearing people is disgusting.

02:00:02.480 Well, that's what's happened.

02:00:02.940 That happened to the group that was sent to El Salvador.

02:00:05.580 People, U.S. citizens, U.S. citizens get arrested every day.

02:00:11.080 U.S. citizens get arrested by police every day.

02:00:13.400 Are they being disappeared?

02:00:15.000 No, the laws are being enforced.

02:00:17.040 They're being arrested.

02:00:18.160 They're being put in detention because they committed a criminal offense.

02:00:21.420 Not like what you're doing.

02:00:23.480 Not even close.

02:00:24.360 We're enforcing the law.

02:00:27.480 Amazing, right?

02:00:28.320 Credit to him for going on.

02:00:29.780 And really, the only example she had was the prison in El Salvador, where we know exactly

02:00:36.320 who those people are.

02:00:37.680 All of them had orders to be removed, and they were.

02:00:41.400 Yeah, it's always, you guys are breaking, you know, you're violating whatever rights,

02:00:45.840 you're violating the law.

02:00:46.740 And then it's very thin on the description of what those are and what these cases are.

02:00:51.720 And I guess in the case of Abrego, I'm sorry, the Maryland father.

02:00:55.660 Kilmer Abrego Garcia.

02:00:57.140 Yeah, yes.

02:00:58.400 So with him, it seems like the law was obeyed.

02:01:02.640 And he came back, and now he's being deported again, or whatever that is.

02:01:05.480 And I just don't know what these guys want other than open borders.

02:01:09.680 And that's terrifying to me, to be honest.

02:01:12.880 Like, the fact that that has been so normalized over the course of these last couple of years,

02:01:16.560 that makes me really nervous about whatever the next administration is going to be.

02:01:20.140 Like, once Trump is out of here, I don't know, like, what the next thing is.

02:01:23.780 It's not going to be anywhere near as transparent as these guys who make themselves available to everyone.

02:01:29.760 I mean, it's amazing how much access you can have, not just to the cabinet, but to Trump himself.

02:01:35.940 Yeah, that Mika Brzezinski was outmatched.

02:01:39.180 Tom Homan can take on anyone, and there's no one who knows this stuff better than he does.

02:01:42.680 So it was a delight to watch.

02:01:44.340 I hope he goes on more often.

02:01:46.080 I mean, he started with—oh, go ahead.

02:01:47.620 Yeah, I was just going to say, Mike, our segment wasn't as long as I would have liked it to be

02:01:52.920 because we had this news out of Charlotte, which is just so big.

02:01:56.400 But please come back soon, okay, so that we can do a properly long segment.

02:02:00.200 I would love to. Thank you for having me.

02:02:02.200 Love having you anytime.

02:02:03.460 Mike Solana, he's editor-in-chief of Pirate Wires.

02:02:06.720 Check it out.

02:02:07.400 They did write about the Charlotte situation, and poor Irina, unlike the vast majority of the mainstream.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 10, 2025

Reckoning with Horror of Charlotte Stabbing, and Kamala's Complaints, with Megan Basham, Heather Mac Donald, Allie Beth Stuckey, and Mike Solana ｜ Ep 1145

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