The Megyn Kelly Show - Red Light Therapy, the Best Morning Routine, and Why Peptides are ＂Big Pharma's Worst Nightmare,＂ with Gary Brecka ｜ Ep. 1361

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00:01:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today, we have one of the

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00:03:22.220 agency. Gary Brecka, welcome back to the show. Great to see you. I'm so excited to be back,

00:03:28.540 Megan. We had such a great time last time. I felt like our time got cut too short,

00:03:33.240 So maybe we'll have time to take a deep dive

00:03:35.260 on some things today.

00:03:36.980 Same, there is so much I wanna ask you about.

00:03:39.280 Let's just start at the beginning.

00:03:40.460 And by that, I mean this morning.

00:03:42.420 The Gary Brecka morning routine, go.

00:03:46.740 Yeah, you want me to just rip it?

00:03:49.440 Yeah, let's rip it.

00:03:50.380 So I call it bookending your sleep.

00:03:53.480 So I have a specific sleep hygiene

00:03:55.960 that I use to go to bed and the same thing to wake up.

00:03:58.620 The thing about this routine is that it's easy,

00:04:00.920 it's portable, you can do it anywhere

00:04:02.300 in the world. I've proven it a number of times by sharing my sleep scores onto Instagram. You know,

00:04:10.420 last year, I think when I did 14 cities in 18 days and was able to maintain 88% and higher

00:04:17.620 sleep scores, even though I was changing time zones every day for 14 days, people's ears perked

00:04:22.420 up and they started to listen because the truth is that sleep is our human superpower. And so I

00:04:28.580 bookend it by using the same routine to go to bed and the same routine to wake up. So morning routine

00:04:33.600 is within 30 minutes of waking every day, I find my way outside into natural sunlight. You know,

00:04:40.720 what's fascinating about natural sunlight is that it doesn't get the credence that it deserves.

00:04:45.360 Sunlight, certain wavelengths that are only in natural sunlight that are constant on,

00:04:50.480 they're flicker free. I'm not talking about through a window. I'm not talking about through

00:04:54.500 your drapes. I'm talking about exposing your eyes to natural sunlight. This helps set your circadian

00:05:00.540 cycle. So we actually have a clock in our brain. It's called the suprachiasmatic nucleus. It's a

00:05:07.220 very sophisticated name for basically the puppeteer in your brain that is setting your circadian

00:05:13.220 rhythm. And what's so important about circadian rhythm is that this is what governs your menstrual

00:05:18.760 cycle in a female. This is what governs your sleep and wake cycle in all human beings. When

00:05:23.620 your cortisol rises, when your melatonin calms down. This actually governs your digestive tract.

00:05:30.760 It actually sends signals to your digestive tract that you're awake and peristalsis can begin,

00:05:35.740 which is why most people don't use the restroom and have a bowel movement at night. They usually

00:05:41.660 have it first thing in the morning. And so the circadian clock is so important, not just to

00:05:47.720 longevity, but it's very important to how well we sleep that night. The one thing that you can do

00:05:53.380 that is absolutely free to ensure that you get a good night's sleep tonight is get sunlight in

00:05:59.120 your eyes this morning. So within 30 minutes of waking, I'm outside. I'm in natural sunlight. I

00:06:03.640 realize people live in cold climates. They live in dark climates. This light does penetrate through

00:06:08.040 the clouds. So it doesn't matter if it's overcast. Get outside in sunlight. And I do three rounds

00:06:13.760 of 30 obnoxiously deep breaths. And at the end of each round of deep breaths, I do a prolonged

00:06:22.160 breath hold. And the science behind this is very valid. In fact, if you really want to be

00:06:26.680 blown away by what breath work can do to the human body, regulate the immune system,

00:06:31.900 tap into our autonomic nervous system, just watch the documentary on Wim Hof called The Iceman,

00:06:37.640 and you will become a believer in breath work. I think because sunlight and breath work are free,

00:06:43.780 people don't allocate at the same level of validity that it deserves. So I'll do three

00:06:49.000 rounds of 30 breaths. At the end of my 30th breath, and I would encourage you if you're a

00:06:53.320 novice to breath work, just start with five breaths. I do an extended breath hold. And the

00:06:58.300 reason for that is it allows the carbon dioxide to build up in my bloodstream. Carbon dioxide is

00:07:04.080 the main vasodilator in the human body. The reason why we get vascular when we go to the gym and

00:07:09.280 exercise is because of the CO2 going back to the lung. And so we want to dilate that vasculature

00:07:15.460 first thing in the morning. This is a very simple way for us to wake up. And our bodies are creatures

00:07:21.620 of habit. They crave routine. You know, when you want your body to trust you, you do the same thing

00:07:29.400 at the same time every day. Give it some consistency, something that when you're traveling

00:07:34.720 or when you're in a different time zone or when you're staying in a different environment,

00:07:39.060 sleep environment, you're at a hotel, you're at an in-law's house, something that your body can

00:07:43.080 cue into to know this is time to wake up. And if you make yourself get into sunlight within 30

00:07:49.240 minutes of waking, do three rounds of 5 to 10 to 30 deep breaths with an extended breath hold in

00:07:56.120 between, if you do that consistently for seven days, you will never miss another day. It will

00:08:02.040 become your new drug of choice because nothing will make you feel better for longer. It improves

00:08:06.520 your mood, improves your emotional state, gets oxygen to our tissues, gets our digestive tract

00:08:11.300 going, spikes our cortisol, reduces our melatonin, and sets us up for a great night's sleep that

00:08:16.500 night. You know, it's really fascinating, too, and we can get into more detail on this.

00:08:20.800 But if you look at autoimmune disease as a category, 85% of all autoimmune disease is

00:08:28.040 found in females. And why is that? It's not because autoimmune disease is selective by sex.

00:08:34.380 It's selective by weakness. And very often, women especially do not feel safe in their own bodies.

00:08:41.300 And by safety, I mean out of the fight or flight response.

00:08:46.220 You know, our nervous system, which is regulating everything, not the least of which is cycling 0.75

00:08:51.100 in women, our nervous system has two states. 0.99

00:08:54.480 One is called the sympathetic state, the fight or flight state. 0.92

00:08:57.920 One is called the parasympathetic state, the rest and digest state.

00:09:01.920 You want to be in a parasympathetic state to wake up, to go to bed, to digest food,

00:09:08.220 to regulate your hormone cycle.

00:09:10.440 So some of these things that we do tell our body that it's safe.

00:09:14.860 Things are okay.

00:09:16.140 This is a routine that you can rely on, that you can learn to trust.

00:09:19.860 And those habitual patterns are something that if you build over a lifetime will pay

00:09:23.220 tremendous dividends.

00:09:25.500 Oh, that's fascinating.

00:09:26.900 Now, tell me about, you mentioned it doesn't matter if you live in a cold environment or

00:09:32.120 an environment where it's dark, you know, our friends in Alaska, for example.

00:09:35.420 But, you know, typically during the school year, most parents wake up at 6 a.m.

00:09:39.740 in that hour because they have kids that they have to get off to school, and it's dark everywhere.

00:09:44.620 Pretty much everywhere it's dark at 6 a.m. You're not really getting sunlight. Is the rule the same?

00:09:49.500 The rule is the same. If you can't get into sunlight within the first half hour because

00:09:53.100 you're waking up too early, then after you drop the kids off at school, spend eight minutes outside

00:09:57.920 facing the sun. Allow the sunlight to hit your skin. I don't know if you've seen the recent

00:10:02.660 research that's come out on sunscreen and exposure to sunlight, but the incidence of skin cancer is

00:10:09.180 significantly lower in groups that do not consistently use sunscreen. Now, I'm not talking

00:10:15.700 about bathing in the sun for hours. I'm talking about 8 to 12 minutes of direct sunlight.

00:10:21.200 Sunlight has wavelengths. They're constant on wavelengths that pass through your eyes,

00:10:25.300 and they trigger very specific activities in the brain, one of which is to tell the

00:10:29.680 suprachiasmatic nucleus, this master puppeteer, that it's morning, it's time to raise my cortisol,

00:10:35.640 it's time to drop my melatonin and it puts it onto a very good cycle you know that we used to

00:10:43.020 sleep and wake with with the sun um we are so disconnected from the cycle of mother earth now

00:10:48.600 and our schedules are so discombobulated sometimes we get up at 6 a.m sometimes 9 a.m sometimes 4 30

00:10:54.060 depending on whether or not we have a flight we got to get the kids to school or it's a weekend

00:10:57.780 and we're going to catch up on our sleep so that consistency gives your body a routine it can rely

00:11:03.020 on. And when you are in dark environments, if you take the kids to school, let's say before the sun

00:11:08.080 rises, when you get back to the house, spend a few minutes outside, do a few rounds of breathwork,

00:11:13.460 very simple, go back inside and tell me how good you feel when you start your day.

00:11:18.660 Can I ask you about the studies you mentioned? I thought it was observational, but on the

00:11:24.000 sunscreens, because as somebody who's very fair, you know, I am part Italian. I'm more Irish than

00:11:30.720 are you really okay um but there's no evidence of the italian i was gonna say i don't see the

00:11:36.040 italian in there no my grandfather's name was angelo de mayo i mean for fresh off the boat

00:11:41.620 from italy okay but nothing um anyway nothing but the temper that's i got the temper the fire

00:11:47.560 but i didn't get the skin yeah that's where you got the short fuse um but you know everyone in

00:11:53.380 my family has had some form of skin cancer thank god no melanoma but like the basal cells and the

00:11:59.320 squamous and all that stuff. And I actually asked my dermatologist, I'm very, very tuned into skin

00:12:04.020 cancer issues. You know, is this possibly true? Like, should I be not wearing sunscreen and my

00:12:09.440 kids? And she was like, absolutely not. You do need to wear the sunscreen and your kids need to

00:12:15.360 wear the sunscreen. And her take on that study was that it's, I don't know how to phrase it,

00:12:24.160 But basically, the people who aren't wearing sunscreen tend to be darker skinned people,

00:12:30.920 people who aren't like me, who can tolerate the sun much, much better than the likes of

00:12:36.800 me can.

00:12:38.080 And so, yeah, of course, they're not going to long term.

00:12:41.360 If you study those people, they're going to say, no, I don't use sunscreen.

00:12:43.560 And they're not going to have skin cancer.

00:12:45.520 Whereas if you took a bunch of Irish people like me and put us out there for 30 years

00:12:50.680 without wearing sunblock, our cancer rate would be through the roof.

00:12:54.160 So what do you make of that?

00:12:55.180 That's actually not true.

00:12:56.620 If you actually look at population data, I used to be a mortality expert for a large

00:13:00.740 life insurance company.

00:13:01.820 So we studied population data, mortality data.

00:13:04.480 I mean, you can make some broad analogies.

00:13:06.520 For example, some of the longest life expectancies in the world are centered right around the

00:13:10.720 equator, 20 degrees, is it longitude or latitude?

00:13:13.720 Latitude from the equator.

00:13:15.840 It used to be, it's not this way anymore, but historically, as you got closer to the

00:13:20.780 poles, life expectancy was precipitously lower. In fact, when I started my career about 25 years

00:13:27.440 ago, Eskimos, true Eskimos, had the shortest life expectancy of any race on earth. And when you got 0.98

00:13:33.580 closer to the equator, you extended life expectancy. So it's not whether or not you can use sunscreen.

00:13:38.360 It's the type of sunscreen that you use. So if you were to actually look at skin cancer trends,

00:13:43.600 because we've known about skin cancer for decades before the advent of aerosol sunscreens and top

00:13:50.760 sunscreens, we knew that skin cancer existed. Look at skin cancer rates in the 40s, 50s, 60s,

00:13:57.260 70s. What you'll find is if you superimpose a chart, now this is correlated, not causal,

00:14:04.160 so you could call it anecdotal, but if you were to superimpose a chart of the parabolic rise in

00:14:09.520 skin cancer, it would be superimposable with the parabolic use of sunscreen. Does that mean that

00:14:14.400 you shouldn't be using sunscreen? No, it means that you should be using a type of sunscreen that

00:14:18.640 has titanium dioxide or what's called non-nano zinc. You want things that sit on the surface of

00:14:25.780 the skin and reflect sunlight. What you don't want, because the skin is not just a barrier,

00:14:31.000 it is a gateway. It is a gateway directly into the bloodstream. It's the largest organ in our body.

00:14:37.540 And so we eliminate waste through the skin. One of the reasons why sauna is one of the best ways to

00:14:42.780 reduce all-cause mortality and cardiovascular disease is because we use the skin to eliminate

00:14:46.700 waste. But it is not just a barrier. It is a gateway. We transmit medications through the

00:14:52.060 skin, patches, creams, sprays. So when you apply sunscreens, para-aminobenzolic acid,

00:14:58.300 and other binders, fillers, agents that are meant to create aerosols, aerosol sprays,

00:15:06.080 those chemicals, and it's not the sunscreen that is the issue itself. It is the chemical carriers

00:15:13.060 in the sunscreen that show up in the bloodstream. And if you look at that study, some of the

00:15:18.640 concentrations of these chemicals, parametobenzylc acid being one of them, PABA, were 400 times the

00:15:26.640 safe allowable limit, the FDA's safe allowable limit. And you would think that if I'm spraying

00:15:32.260 it on my skin, it's not transmissible and can't be picked up in the serum of the blood, but that's

00:15:36.780 actually not true. The skin actually transmits a lot of these molecules right through the skin

00:15:41.320 into the bloodstream. So it's the carriers that are taking the sunscreen and making it into an

00:15:47.360 aerosol or making it into a gel that's very easy to spread on your skin. Those carriers, those

00:15:52.740 chemicals transmit right through the skin. They get embedded in the dermal layer of the skin.

00:15:58.380 They also enter the blood. And this is where you have issues with skin cancer, because all cancer,

00:16:04.380 regardless of its form or its origin was at one time a healthy cell. So there's no form of cancer

00:16:11.760 that was not initially a healthy cell. So what happened to that cell? It became metabolically

00:16:17.820 sick. It shifted its metabolism. If it happens in the liver, you have liver cancer. If it happens

00:16:22.680 in a lymph node, you have lymphatic cancer. You know, if it happens in the spleen, you have

00:16:27.280 one of cancer. And so what causes healthy cells to become sick? Well, very often what causes a

00:16:34.500 healthy cell to become sick, we know radiation can do this, which comes from sun. We also know

00:16:39.660 that chemicals can do this. So when we apply harsh chemicals to the skin, we can very often

00:16:45.480 cause an accelerated shift in that cell's metabolism, which is the genesis of cancer.

00:16:51.120 So if you're going to apply sunscreen, and I am actually a fan of sunscreen, there are a lot of

00:16:55.380 tallow-based sunscreens that use non-nano zinc. There are sunscreens that use titanium dioxide.

00:17:00.540 These are extraordinarily safe. When I was 19 years old, I was a lifeguard in Ocean City,

00:17:05.480 Maryland. Remember everybody had the white noses? And then they came out with colored

00:17:09.780 zinc oxide. So a lot of us had blue noses, pink noses, whatever. Those sunscreens are

00:17:16.320 extraordinarily safe. You can get them clear now. You can get them in gel format. You can get them

00:17:21.480 pace. Uh, so if you're going to apply a sunscreen. Yeah. Cause that's the downside of the zinc.

00:17:25.480 Is it just, it's so you're so white, you go from white to even whiter. Yeah. You do look like 0.94

00:17:30.500 Casper, the friendly ghost. Um, and just by saying Casper, the friendly ghost, I'm dating

00:17:34.540 myself at that. I think that show went up 30 years ago. I'm right there with you. Um, and if

00:17:38.880 you remember it, you're as old as I am. Um, but, uh, uh, so these topical sunscreens that have

00:17:45.600 titanium dioxide and zinc oxide, that's the direction you want to go. Okay. All right. Well,

00:17:50.920 got it that's good to know but now i'm getting concerned that i my long-term editorial producer 0.98

00:17:57.260 debbie murphy she lives in canada damn canada as we call it and uh she's been warning me against

00:18:02.280 putting on the self-tanner gary for a long time a long time you know like when you're pasty though 0.95

00:18:09.200 especially as a woman like you do tend to want to fight it somehow what's the solution we just get

00:18:15.600 a tan or no there's like i never really considered i never really considered there's a peptide

00:18:23.760 called melanotannin um which will do it naturally um and it will activate melanocytes um in your

00:18:31.940 skin systemically you'll get an even tan um if you do go in the sun you will accelerate your tan

00:18:39.080 so you'll be the darkest you you've ever stop it right now this is sci-fi no melanotannin look it

00:18:44.960 up milano tannin it is a very people are taking this and it's where it's making them tan oh no

00:18:50.360 question um and it has a bunch of other positive uh effects in the body but milano tannin is i'm

00:18:57.000 doing this on the air i'm people gonna watch me tan how long does it take and do a follow-up show

00:19:02.920 in 45 days you're gonna look like you're italian so now you'll start to fit your heritage yeah

00:19:07.920 that's amazing is it over the counter um technically you could get it over the

00:19:14.000 counter. It's considered a supplement, but you want to get it from a licensed compound pharmacy.

00:19:18.580 Well, it's called a 503. That's spectacular. Yeah. Okay, great. I wish I had invented that.

00:19:24.780 That's very good to know. All right. So wait, a couple of other questions on the morning routine.

00:19:29.840 So the, you get the sunlight, you wake up. Now here's a question I have for you. A lot of women

00:19:34.320 my age, we don't sleep well. You know, it's like the menopausal process, which I've now found out

00:19:41.880 takes forever. Yes. Like the can start in your late perimenopause. Like, yeah, it's like 15

00:19:47.240 years. You're stuck in like whatever perimenopause or menopause. I don't even know what it is

00:19:50.940 anymore, but, um, you don't sleep well. I don't know anyone my age, female who sleeps well. So

00:19:57.340 I've told the audience before I did start HRT, which I really like. Good for you. Uh, it's been

00:20:02.600 actually kind of miraculous and that I do do the estrogen. I do the cream. It's great. Yes. And I'm

00:20:09.060 so dumb to think like, of course those hormones can pass through my skin, but I'm fine with a 0.99

00:20:12.760 self-tanner. Okay. I needed this conversation. Anyway. So the progesterone though, it's a 0.99

00:20:20.060 problem for me and a lot of my girlfriends, like not everybody tolerates progesterone. Well,

00:20:24.960 it makes me, for example, super bloated, like uncomfortably bloated. And I hate it. Right.

00:20:29.620 So then the doctors are like, Oh, you can do it. IUD. I'm like, I don't want to do an IUD. I don't

00:20:35.040 want to do any i'm not sure i want to do any of that crap but the problem is if you don't you

00:20:39.200 have to do progesterone if you're taking estrogen to protect against uterine cancer that's what the

00:20:43.700 doctors say but the problem is um progesterone makes you uncomfortable and yet it's the key

00:20:51.100 part of hrt that helps women like me sleep it's what makes you sleep it gets you through these

00:20:57.660 menopausal weirdnesses and i wonder if you have any thoughts on that like is there any solution

00:21:04.660 for women who are between 40 and 60 having sleeping difficulty, but who either don't

00:21:11.820 tolerate progesterone well or who just don't want to do HRT?

00:21:15.480 Yes.

00:21:15.940 So first of all, this happens to be a core competency of mine.

00:21:20.460 And I think it's one of the most underserved areas of all of modern medicine is female

00:21:24.240 hormone therapy, perimenopause, premenopause, and menopause. 0.76

00:21:28.440 You know, as you know, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration just recently removed the

00:21:31.800 black box warnings from female hormone therapy because nearly 50 million women suffered for

00:21:37.280 decades because they thought that hormone therapy and specifically estrogen led to an increased risk

00:21:42.660 of breast cancer. We know that that is patently false. You know, if you look at the study that

00:21:47.860 that came from, which was called the Women's Health Initiative, one of the largest hormone

00:21:51.420 studies ever done, it was bastardized and misreported. And essentially what came out of

00:21:57.000 that study was not that there was a 20% concomitant increase in breast cancer. There was a 20%

00:22:03.620 relative risk reduction in breast cancer. And that's why I applaud the FDA for that. Marty

00:22:09.220 McCary did that before his tenure ended. Yes, God bless him. And they removed the black box

00:22:14.240 warnings from female hormone therapy. So let's just back up a little bit. And let's just talk 0.96

00:22:18.880 about what premenopause and menopause actually is, right? I mean, when you're in menopause,

00:22:24.060 you still have a cycle. It's just that your amplitude is lower. So you have a very high

00:22:29.460 amplitude cycle, very definitive cycles between follicular ovulation and luteal as you are a

00:22:34.580 menstruating female. And as you get older, this amplitude begins to drop. You still have a cycle

00:22:39.980 in menopause. It's just very, very low. So it's important to understand, first of all, that this

00:22:45.960 cycling decline can begin in your late 30s. And the signs are not things that drive you to the

00:22:53.800 emergency room or take you to the ER or get you over to the urgent care. They are signs like brain

00:22:58.940 fog, waking, water retention, poor focus, poor concentration. The hallmark sign is exhaustion

00:23:06.620 upon waking in the morning, which is an inverted cortisol and melatonin cycle, which I'm going to

00:23:11.600 talk about in a second. There is a gold standard test for women. And if your female audience is 1.00

00:23:17.060 listening, I think they should write this down because it may completely change their life. 1.00

00:23:20.320 there's a gold standard test called a dutch test um one of the most dangerous things to do in 1.00

00:23:26.280 female hormone therapy is to prescribe your entire complement of hormones based on a blood test just 1.00

00:23:33.540 a simple one-time blood test a blood test is a snapshot in time a menstruating female it's 0.90

00:23:39.420 perfectly normal for her estrogen to be in the 400s it's perfectly normal for estrogen to be in

00:23:43.800 the teens. So who's to say that 172 or 210 or 68 or 99 is high or low? Well, you don't know unless

00:23:51.080 you know exactly what stage of her cycle she's in, follicular, ovulation, luteal, and you know

00:23:56.320 whether or not all of those hormones are entering or exiting the cycle together. What happens in

00:24:03.660 these different stages of menopause is that all the hormones in a women's body don't get together 0.90

00:24:09.280 in a conference room one day and go, okay, girls, it's been a great run. We're all out of here. 0.89

00:24:13.800 right? They get together in the conference room and estrogen goes, no, no, no, I'm going to stick

00:24:18.580 around a while. Progesterone says I'm out. Pregnenolone says, I think I'm going to hang

00:24:22.700 out for a few months and then I'm going to leave. Testosterone's like, I'm totally out of here. I've

00:24:27.260 been in here long enough. So you get this weird cascade of everything from lack of libido to

00:24:34.260 brain fog, to weight gain, to water retention, to mood changes, to emotional changes. A female's 1.00

00:24:40.800 attraction to their spouse can shift during this period of time. Does it mean that they don't love 0.99

00:24:47.560 their spouse? It means that, and very often, sadly, in relationships, we couple libido and arousal

00:24:56.820 with love and attraction. You can be deeply in love with your spouse, you can be very attracted

00:25:01.560 to your spouse, and you can have no ability to be aroused and no libido. That's usually because

00:25:06.680 free testosterone is low. So these strange things happen where you're like, well, I'm still in love

00:25:12.340 with my significant other. I'm still attracted to my significant other. I'm just not aroused. I have

00:25:16.460 no libido. Or you wake up in the morning more exhausted than when you went to bed. Or someone

00:25:22.020 that is extraordinarily organized. This is what happened to my wife. I'd encourage you to go watch 1.00

00:25:25.640 the podcast that I did with my wife, Sage Workinger, because we went through menopause together.

00:25:30.140 We did the Dutch test, and then she was very transparent, put her entire cascade of hormones. 1.00

00:25:35.940 She had every symptom that a female could have 1.00

00:25:38.000 all the way through to frozen shoulder. 1.00

00:25:40.620 Something called adhesive capsulitis.

00:25:42.340 I have a friend who has that right now.

00:25:44.360 It's menopause.

00:25:46.340 I will tell you, your friend is between 42

00:25:48.500 and probably 54 years old.

00:25:51.420 And it's very painful for her to lay it on her shoulder.

00:25:53.720 She probably has a difficult time raising it above level. 0.98

00:25:57.160 Yeah, she just got a shot in it. 0.98

00:25:59.260 Oh boy, she got cortisone.

00:26:01.000 And next recommendation, tell her to be very careful,

00:26:03.160 is they're going to recommend manipulation under anesthesia,

00:26:06.740 which is where they actually put her to sleep

00:26:08.440 and they break those adhesions while she's sleeping. 0.86

00:26:12.520 They physically break those adhesions.

00:26:13.700 Oh my gosh.

00:26:14.640 It's called adhesive capsulitis.

00:26:16.840 Within three weeks of starting hormone therapy, 0.95

00:26:20.520 her frozen shoulder will be gone. 1.00

00:26:22.320 My wife's shoulder went from being raised to here

00:26:24.580 to straight up in the air, no pain.

00:26:27.220 Your friend will also tell you

00:26:28.320 that it's very painful to lay on that shoulder

00:26:30.580 if she rolls over on it.

00:26:32.800 And it will just wake her up and she'll tell you that it's restricted. 1.00

00:26:36.600 And then she'll do simple things like she'll bend down the entire shoe and forget that she has this and it will take her to the floor.

00:26:43.740 It's very, very painful, this adhesive capsulitis.

00:26:46.280 This is a byproduct of estrogen metabolism.

00:26:51.540 And if you wanted to have one lever to torture a woman, it would be estrogen. 1.00

00:26:56.980 Right. Because as you and estrogen is a category of hormones.

00:27:01.020 there's e1 e2 e3 it's called estradiol estreon there these different hormones are high and low

00:27:09.840 at different times in a woman's cycle in her life cycle of her menstrual cycle until she goes into

00:27:16.120 menopause by moving these estrogen levers you affect skin elasticity so all of a sudden they

00:27:22.580 look in the mirror and they're like i feel like i've aged 10 years and six months so the elasticity

00:27:28.220 is leaving their skin. Libido crashes. The exhaustion in the morning. They start to retain

00:27:35.440 water because remember the primary role of estrogen is to retain water in the interstitial

00:27:40.460 space. The reason why estrogen goes from a high of about 400 in a menstruating female to a high of

00:27:45.920 about 4,500 is because when they get pregnant is so that you can retain water, pad the uterus, 0.99

00:27:53.320 protect the fetus so but when we're older we don't want to uh retain water these women think 0.98

00:27:59.580 that they're getting fat and they're not getting fat they're getting water retensive this also 0.99

00:28:03.740 happens to women that eat in a very narrow feeding women window which is why one of the most dangerous 0.99

00:28:09.260 things that menstruating women can do is intermittent fasting in a very very narrow 1.00

00:28:14.100 feeding window and you want to frustrate a female when they start intermittent fasting with their 1.00

00:28:19.100 spouse husband's got all the energy in the world he's putting on lean muscle sleeping like a bear 0.80

00:28:23.300 wakes up like a tiger, doing great in the gym, a woman's eating in the same narrow feeding window,

00:28:29.000 can't get out of bed, starting to get bloated, is also exercising, is barely eating, and is 0.63

00:28:33.400 gaining weight. You know, that's because you throw off the estrogen cycle and the body starts to

00:28:37.700 retain water. So let me walk you through what the solution to this is. The solution is a 24-hour

00:28:43.180 urine test called the Dutch test. And you do this test once, and what it shows is the entire 0.56

00:28:49.380 complement of hormones. And don't assume that because some of the hormones are tanking heading

00:28:56.520 into menopause that all of the hormones are tanking. In fact, I'd be very surprised if the

00:29:01.900 reason why you react poorly to progesterone is because your progesterone in its cycle is probably

00:29:08.500 normal. And you may be low on pregnenolone. You may be low on one of the three estradiols,

00:29:15.620 the estrogen hormones, you're almost certainly low on testosterone and free testosterone.

00:29:22.220 So when you treat women for hormone therapy, you replace the entire complement of hormones. 0.97

00:29:28.720 We do not shoot women with rifles. In other words, you don't take darts and throw them at

00:29:34.240 hormones. You replace the entire complement of hormones. And the reason for that is because

00:29:40.720 it's called hormone replacement therapy, is that hormones are not cumulative. So I often will open

00:29:47.800 some of my hormone lectures by asking a room full of physicians, let's say you have two men. One has

00:29:53.060 a testosterone of 200. One has a testosterone of 600. And you're going to put them on hormone

00:29:58.880 therapy. Who gets more testosterone? The guy with 200 or the guy with 600? And the answer is they 1.00

00:30:06.600 get exactly the same amount reason for that is as soon as i replace their testosterone both of

00:30:14.040 their production is going to zero or near zero so if i give each of them 200 milligrams of

00:30:20.540 testosterone they will end in the same place because if a man stops taking testosterone will

00:30:28.500 his body kick back in and make the testosterone again depending on how long he's been taking it

00:30:33.020 which is why I'm a much bigger fan of peptides like kispeptin, gonadalurilin.

00:30:38.600 I'm a big fan of something called enclomaphene.

00:30:41.860 These will signal the testicles to increase their production. 0.93

00:30:46.980 So then they're high on their own supply. 0.79

00:30:48.840 And no matter what anyone tells you, there is no better hormone than one the body makes on its own.

00:30:54.200 So as men age, they can develop something called primary hypogonadism,

00:31:00.240 where they cannot produce their own testosterone.

00:31:03.020 and in that case absolutely replace testosterone the evidence is clear 2018 the journal of american

00:31:09.900 urology updated all of their clinical guidelines on male hormone therapy having low testosterone

00:31:16.940 is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease replacing testosterone does not increase your

00:31:23.580 risk of cardiovascular disease in fact it reduces it there are 10 000 receptors for

00:31:29.020 testosterone in the male heart. It's the highest of any organ in the body. So you don't want to

00:31:34.780 deprive it of testosterone if you're a man. There is not an increased risk of prostate cancer. There's

00:31:39.880 not an increased risk of prostate enlargement. And there is not a correlated risk or a causal

00:31:44.720 risk for cardiovascular disease. So you replace it if you can't produce it. You stimulate if you can

00:31:53.060 produce it. So I'm going to go back to women for a second and close that loop. A Dutch test will 1.00

00:31:57.860 give your OBGYN, hopefully a functional OBGYN, everything that he or she needs to say, okay, 0.77

00:32:04.020 here are the hormones that are deficient. I am going to bring those back into the normal level.

00:32:09.240 Here are the hormones I'm going to leave alone or I'm going to replace. And then you replace that

00:32:15.940 entire complement of hormones. And it is a game changer for women because no woman only suffers 1.00

00:32:25.200 from the classic signs of menopause. 0.92

00:32:28.260 Classic signs are the hot flashes.

00:32:30.400 Classic sign is low libido.

00:32:32.100 Classic sign is sleep disruption.

00:32:34.040 They usually have this myriad of other symptoms

00:32:37.180 that they don't attribute back to, you know,

00:32:39.740 the poor focus, poor concentration,

00:32:42.140 lack of waking energy, you know, brain fog.

00:32:45.940 These are things crushing fatigue for no reason.

00:32:50.380 Waking exhausted and then having

00:32:52.240 what they call crushing fatigue during the day

00:32:54.480 where they just feel like they really have to take a nap.

00:32:56.900 Your listeners do not have to suffer.

00:32:58.780 Get that Dutch test, get it to a functional medicine doctor

00:33:01.280 and get those hormones replaced.

00:33:04.560 You're not increasing the risk of breath.

00:33:06.020 So now, not to beat a dead horse,

00:33:08.580 but if you don't sleep well, notwithstanding,

00:33:11.680 because I am doing the HRT and I love it,

00:33:14.320 there are some out there who are saying like 20 milligrams,

00:33:19.160 I don't know if that's a unit, of creatine

00:33:20.740 and you're going to feel a lot better.

00:33:22.440 And I've never taken creatine.

00:33:23.700 I don't know whether that's something we should be considering, but like, is there any like bounce

00:33:29.160 back tool? Yes. So there are a bunch of things that can mitigate the effects of poor sleep. So

00:33:34.740 first of all, why sleep important? Um, there's two phases of sleep. They're extraordinarily

00:33:38.120 important. One is called REM phase. This is where we are assembling memory, right? Learned memory.

00:33:43.380 So maybe you learned something on this podcast today. Um, and when you go to sleep tonight,

00:33:48.440 um, your subconscious, your hippocampus and your prefrontal cortex, these two will connect.

00:33:53.700 and this will become a learned memory.

00:33:56.040 You'll remember what maybe that you learned

00:33:59.000 during this podcast or a lecture or an interview

00:34:00.720 or another guest that you had on.

00:34:02.580 So that is called learned memory.

00:34:04.440 That's assembled during REM phases of sleep.

00:34:07.240 During the deep phase of sleep,

00:34:09.180 something called the glymphatic system is active.

00:34:11.680 So we have lymph nodes in the body, right?

00:34:13.580 The lymph nodes that swell when you get a sore throat.

00:34:16.320 We have a glymphatic system in the brain

00:34:19.560 which drains waste from the brain.

00:34:21.740 And by waste, I mean inflammatory proteins, cytokines, histamines, these inflammatory proteins that if they are not drained from the brain will stay in the brain.

00:34:32.940 And these are the genesis of a lot of things.

00:34:35.540 Alzheimer's, dementia, early onset cognitive decline, which, by the way, are not conditions of you losing your memory.

00:34:43.500 It is a fallacy that people that have Alzheimer's are losing their memory.

00:34:48.800 They are losing access.

00:34:49.900 You can't access your memory.

00:34:50.740 Your memory. I am sitting right now, physically sitting in a memory care facility. It is called Regentra. I'm checking my mother and my father in today into assisted care. It's actually independent and assisted care living because there is a project here called Regentra where they're using red light therapy, hydrogen gas, vibration shake plates to dramatically improve cognitive outcomes in the elderly.

00:35:21.460 And what we are seeing coming out of these studies is absolutely mind-numbing, controlling

00:35:27.380 their glycemic profile, their blood sugar, and reducing these inflammatory compounds.

00:35:31.700 So let's go back to sleep because that's what you asked about.

00:35:35.180 So creatine is one of those things in high doses that crosses the blood-brain barrier.

00:35:40.420 And what it does is creatine can actually mitigate the effects of sleep deprivation.

00:35:46.800 So my wife going through menopause was having a very difficult time sleeping.

00:35:51.860 I mean, if she slept more than two or three hours at a stretch without a long period of waking, that was a good night for her.

00:35:57.820 So she was taking 20 milligrams of creatine daily because in high doses, it does cross the blood-brain barrier.

00:36:06.360 And there is evidence that it can mitigate the effects of sleep deprivation.

00:36:10.720 So if you are a female over 42 to 44 years old, I would insist that you are on a minimum

00:36:18.440 of five milligrams of creatine a day, full stop. 0.99

00:36:22.000 Is it something you have to build up, you know, like five milligrams for a week, 10

00:36:26.220 milligrams for two weeks, and then graduate to 20?

00:36:28.860 No, the loading dose was sort of a bodybuilder holdover where you did a loading dose of creatine

00:36:35.060 for a week, and then you actually went down to five milligrams.

00:36:37.920 that's that's uh those studies are related to muscle hypertrophy growing uh lean muscle tearing

00:36:44.720 a muscle having the muscle grow back larger when we're talking about the cognitive benefits um in

00:36:49.800 the inflammatory benefits anti-inflammatory benefits 20 milligrams of creatine split into

00:36:55.020 two 10 milligram doses it's very safe um and okay you just put it in like a glass of water

00:37:01.260 put it in a glass of water now here's here's the difference between the two creatines monohydrate

00:37:06.400 there's more clinical evidence on monohydrate. I am actually a fan of both monohydrate and

00:37:13.880 creatine hydrochloride, HCL. Women sometimes will find that they bloat less on HCL,

00:37:21.780 hydrochloride, because it is 40% more water soluble. One of the things that creatine does, 0.96

00:37:26.920 which is why bodybuilders love it, is it holds water in the muscle, but it also holds water in 0.71

00:37:32.160 the gut. And so dissolve your creatine completely or use a form that has other carriers like a

00:37:40.620 symbiotica gel pack creatine, very, very good form monohydrate. Start with five milligrams

00:37:46.800 and then work your way up. Don't do a loading dose at first. Five milligrams week one and week

00:37:52.280 two, you can switch all the way to 20 milligrams a day. You will notice the difference in cognitive

00:37:57.960 function in 24 hours. Some people even say the same day because sleep deprivation

00:38:04.400 leaves these inflammatory proteins in the brain. So you want something to cross the blood brain

00:38:11.080 barrier and help get them out. So you could do that every day regularly or just save that for

00:38:16.740 when you had a bad night sleep? So if you don't have consistently poor sleep, if poor sleep is

00:38:22.400 something that is not common to you, so it only happens when you travel, only happens when you're

00:38:26.760 stress only happens when you change time zones, then you can save those large doses of creatine

00:38:32.360 for that period of time. If you're going through menopause or you are a chronically poor sleeper,

00:38:37.980 I would recommend that you take the 20 milligrams of creatine daily. It is a game changer for

00:38:44.500 cognitive function. In this memory care facility, I'm in Coconut Creek, Florida, these 80, 85,

00:38:53.060 90-year-old patients are on high doses of creatine, 20 milligrams of creatine a day.

00:38:59.080 My mother is on 20 milligrams of creatine a day, and it is having very, very positive outcomes on

00:39:03.820 learned memory, short-term recall, focus, concentration, and complex tasking.

00:39:09.700 You said, what was that thing you mentioned? Red light therapy, I know. That sounded familiar.

00:39:15.040 Then there were two other things, and the second of them was something about a shake bed?

00:39:19.800 Shake what?

00:39:20.740 It's low vibration therapy. 0.98

00:39:22.860 So what happens in the elderly and deconditioned people is, you know, they can't get into zone

00:39:29.480 two cardio and they can't exercise. 1.00

00:39:32.040 We all know the benefits of exercise, right?

00:39:34.140 Maybe we can go down that road.

00:39:35.460 But if you don't, you know, exercise is probably the single best hallmark activity to ward

00:39:43.140 off aging, all cause mortality, cardiovascular disease.

00:39:46.980 You see this in blue zone studies.

00:39:48.260 You see this in meta-analyses.

00:39:49.840 You see this in all the big...

00:39:50.860 Alzheimer's.

00:39:52.080 Alzheimer's, which is now also being called type 3 diabetes.

00:39:57.280 If you Google type 3 diabetes, you'll see that type 3 diabetes is Alzheimer's.

00:40:01.620 We used to think that Alzheimer's was the presence of neurofibrillary tangles and amyloid

00:40:06.520 plaques.

00:40:07.220 That is the byproduct of Alzheimer's.

00:40:10.240 The genesis of Alzheimer's is insulin resistance.

00:40:13.860 So if you only had one biomarker that you were tracking and you said,

00:40:17.860 i'm only going to choose one biomarker that i'm going to manage for the rest of my life

00:40:21.420 if you manage your um your insulin level and what's called your hemoglobin a1c the three

00:40:28.180 month average of your blood sugar that would probably do more to ward off all-cause mortality

00:40:32.660 than anything else that you do which is why exercise is so beneficial but they're doing a

00:40:38.080 few things here um one they're using low impact vibration so these these vibration plates put

00:40:45.200 several Gs of force through the body in very short bursts, vertical bursts. The reason why that's

00:40:50.400 important is it helps the bones to strengthen and remineralize. You know, for decades, we always

00:40:55.780 thought that brittle bones was low calcium, but that is patently false. Our bones are not even

00:41:01.660 calcium. Our bones are calcium bound to something called phosphorus, and they form something called

00:41:09.080 hydroxyapatite. So our bones are hydroxyapatite, not calcium. In order for calcium and phosphorus

00:41:16.440 to bind, you need 12 minerals. If you're missing any one of those 12 minerals,

00:41:23.000 your bones do not ossify and you get osteopenia or osteoporosis. You can go to assisted care

00:41:28.980 living facilities all over the world and see elderly men and women that have osteopenia or

00:41:33.680 osteoporosis that have been on calcium supplements for 25 years. I promise you this. Calcium is not

00:41:40.480 the answer. Minerals are the answer. Taking a mineral salt would do more for bone density

00:41:47.260 than taking calcium. You know, usually these people are not calcium deficient. Most of us

00:41:51.900 are not calcium deficient. By the way, if you take too much calcium, it ends up in the arterial wall.

00:41:56.520 This is where we get calcification and hardening of the arteries. So mineral salt is something that

00:42:01.700 should also be in your daily routine i take a mineral salt called baja gold there are lots of

00:42:07.060 great mineral salts out there redmond salt how much of that do you put it i actually saw you

00:42:11.420 mention that and i ordered it um how much of that do you put like in the morning my doctor actually

00:42:17.460 told me a while ago start your day with a glass of water and put a little salt in there yes he

00:42:22.540 doesn't he didn't recommend it for my husband who's um got some high blood pressure but for me

00:42:27.400 he did. But is it just a pinch? So Baja Gold has a liquid mineral dropper. This is probably the

00:42:36.140 cheapest biohack in the world. And it's my favorite biohack. You can buy a bag of this

00:42:40.840 salt for about 15 bucks. It'll last you five years. I buy the liquid mineral salt that comes

00:42:45.180 in a dropper and I put two squirts of it in a glass of water in the morning with all eight

00:42:50.580 essential amino acids and a hydrogen tablet. I put those three things in water and I whack that back

00:42:56.500 first thing in the morning. And I never, ever, ever, ever miss that. All nine essential ingredients.

00:43:01.720 And that gives you the hydrogen and that gives you the minerals you need?

00:43:04.920 Mm-hmm. Probably have those with me. I literally never leave home without these things.

00:43:10.620 So hydrogen gas, this is the one that I use. I use one called H2TAP.

00:43:15.200 I love a prop.

00:43:16.320 Sorry. I'll take that up.

00:43:18.320 No, I love it. The visual aid. Everybody loves the visual aid.

00:43:21.300 This is, I will tell you that the role of hydrogen gas in the human body, mark my words on this, is the greatest discovery of our millennia.

00:43:34.240 Hydrogen water, hydrogen inhalation, and even bathing in hydrogen gas will be as common as a multivitamin in 10 years.

00:43:44.460 The evidence is absolutely crystal clear.

00:43:47.740 and i am talking about human trials of peer-reviewed placebo-controlled randomized

00:43:53.820 clinical trials conducted at gold standard universities that are in the public domain

00:43:58.220 that have been published hydrogen is the smallest lightest element in the universe

00:44:03.400 it's highest on the periodic table it's also the most prevalent element in the universe 10 of your

00:44:08.380 body weight is hydrogen so it's harmless to human beings the role that hydrogen gas has in the human

00:44:13.600 body. We have only recently discovered. So hydrogen acts as what's called a selective

00:44:20.960 antioxidant. So in other words, it doesn't just reduce oxidative stress. It reduces oxidative

00:44:29.720 stress to neutrality. It restores something called redox homeostasis. And why is that important?

00:44:37.740 because too much inflammation, too much oxidation, too many free radicals, very bad.

00:44:45.540 Too little inflammation, too few free radicals, too little oxidation, also very bad.

00:44:54.480 You want there to be a balance, which is called redox homeostasis.

00:44:58.760 You want there to be a balance between what's called inflammation and reduction.

00:45:03.060 But when you take hydrogen gas, it restores this to neutrality, to balance, and stops, even if you take too much.

00:45:12.640 There is not a professional athlete that I work with.

00:45:15.360 There's not a VIP client whose health trajectory I manage who is not regularly bathing in hydrogen gas and does not take hydrogen water tablets every single day.

00:45:26.660 And you can just take elemental magnesium, which is what a hydrogen tablet is, drop it into water, and it will effervesce into pure hydrogen gas, and you can drink it.

00:45:36.360 So what happens when that goes into the body is it neutralizes these free radicals.

00:45:41.720 So when we say something is an antioxidant, for example, like what does that mean?

00:45:47.760 Blueberries are antioxidants.

00:45:49.560 Vitamin C is an antioxidant.

00:45:51.800 Quercetin is an antioxidant.

00:45:53.300 What does that mean?

00:45:53.860 It means that it donates electrons.

00:45:56.660 so something is causing free radical damage and oxidative stress you neutralize it by giving it

00:46:04.180 electrons so hydrogen because it can pass through your skin through your bones through your cell

00:46:10.440 wall right through your joints through the capsule of your joint it can go right through your spine

00:46:14.840 it is the smallest lightest element in the universe it's the fraction of the size of a virus

00:46:20.440 and so it goes everywhere in the human body and reduces this inflammatory cascade

00:46:26.040 um i i don't even talk about this in the public domain because people would call me a complete

00:46:32.420 charlatan but um i have a hydrogen bath at my house um and i have put people into that tub

00:46:40.340 again nearly crippled with arthritis and they will skip out of my unit like they won the lottery

00:46:46.660 my wife sage has an l5 s1 fusion spinal fusion in her back and if you know anything about spinal

00:46:53.460 surgeries, they never really go well. You just buy yourself a problem down the street. Anybody

00:46:59.960 that's had back surgery knows. In another life, I was married to an interventional pain management

00:47:05.240 doctor. Were you? And he used to say, I can help anybody except somebody who's actually had back

00:47:10.620 surgery. Yeah. And usually starts with a disectomy, starts with a fusion, and then it goes to another

00:47:16.920 level and another fusion and another disectomy and then rods. But so my wife, Sage, has an L5

00:47:23.440 S1 fusion. So she had her sacrum fused to her first lumbar vertebrae because of a really bad

00:47:28.980 car accident she was in. And ever since then, you know, when that surgery acts up, it just goes

00:47:37.100 right up her spine and it just cramps her whole spine down. If I bather in hydrogen gas for 25

00:47:44.020 minutes, she'll sleep eight hours through the night like a child. It is a selective antioxidant.

00:47:51.920 I will send you the published research on this, and you can put it in the show notes.

00:47:56.680 Your listeners can check it out for themselves.

00:48:00.060 There's also a website called hydrogenstudies.com, where you can see all 1,500 peer-reviewed

00:48:06.020 studies.

00:48:06.460 You can select out the animal studies, just look at human studies.

00:48:09.920 It will be as common as a multivitamin, especially in professional sports, because professional

00:48:15.080 sports is-

00:48:15.820 Can I ask you a quick question on this?

00:48:17.440 Is this because I had Dr. Casey Means on the program many times?

00:48:20.880 Oh my gosh, I love her.

00:48:21.220 her brother cali and i she's amazing i love him too i know because you're very active in the maha

00:48:26.980 space he's they're both brilliant we're so lucky to have them um but she was the first person who

00:48:33.260 just insisted that i get the ro filter uh in my house which i did the carbon filter and the ro

00:48:38.560 yes but a friend of mine was saying that they had they've gone next level and they've put one of

00:48:44.700 these like is this possible to have a yes is it a hydrogen filter in their house like do i need

00:48:50.640 something other than the RO now? Like, what is this? How would this work in terms of consuming

00:48:54.460 water? I will tell you that the single best under-the-counter water filtration system in

00:49:00.600 the world is called a MAW water filter, M-A-W. I think it's MAW wellness. That tells it I have it

00:49:09.940 under every sink in my house. I have it under every sink in every property that I have.

00:49:13.440 So what this does is uses sediment and reverse osmosis, these different carbon filters and different filters to completely destructure the water.

00:49:25.080 So you have, you take out fluoride, chlorine, microplastics, pharmaceuticals, what's called PFAs, polyfluoroalkyls.

00:49:33.740 I live in Miami.

00:49:35.440 We have some of the worst municipal water.

00:49:38.440 They'll tell you that it's clean, but I've had it tested.

00:49:41.320 arsenic palladium cadmium nickel um trace amounts of lead not not significant amounts of lead but

00:49:47.880 chlorine fluoride uh microplastics i would argue that one of the best things that you can do

00:49:53.800 as a passive wellness hack meaning not something you have to be active in doing like getting in a

00:50:00.120 sauna or getting in a red light bed is to put water filtration in your home um so this this uh

00:50:06.120 mall wellness filter maw wellness it what it will do is it will destructure the water and then

00:50:12.560 before it comes out of the sink it will uh make the water alkaline it will uh add electrolytes

00:50:20.040 back to the water and it will remineralize the water so it destructures it wow and then

00:50:26.040 restructures it coming out of the uh so i still put my hydrogen tablet in there but i would argue

00:50:33.260 that that is the single best water you can put in the human body because it's so helpful i'm

00:50:39.560 gonna go out a shopping spree after this although it's i imagine that the the ma water filter is

00:50:45.400 pricey it's probably and for people who don't have money to spare can you just try to put that

00:50:52.300 on one filter and go from there i mean like you know that sounds like a lot yeah there's a filter

00:50:56.920 called a cold life um that you can actually screw on just to your sink and that will do fluoride

00:51:01.960 chlorine microplastics, which is a long way to getting really healthy water. If you want the

00:51:08.080 gold standard, an under-the-counter water filtration, you know, these things are,

00:51:12.240 it's an investment you make once, and it is pricey, and you probably could finance it.

00:51:17.400 But if you added up all of the bottled water that you drank, you know, I just traveled with

00:51:21.460 an aluminum bottle that I filled up from that filter this morning. So you actually can save

00:51:27.940 on glass bottle of water and plastic bottle of water by actually having water filtration in your

00:51:32.360 home. And then you're cooking with it. You're drinking it. Your kids are drinking it. Your

00:51:37.020 spouse is drinking it. You know, it's probably, I think, as a single intervention, one of the

00:51:42.500 best things that you can do. Wow. And all the things that you're saving yourself, as you said,

00:51:47.320 now you're not drinking chlorine. You're not drinking all the arsenic. And your children

00:51:52.100 aren't either. So it is an investment. All right. Stand by because we have much more.

00:51:55.920 Gary stays with us.

00:51:56.640 We take a quick break.

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00:53:48.540 well my entire staff and i have been shopping during the commercial break trying to get

00:53:56.940 tabs hydrogen tabs and tallow-based sunscreen and all sorts of these fun recommendations and

00:54:02.760 i feel healthier already thanks to gary brecca he's our guest today he's founder of the ultimate

00:54:08.400 human media platform and let me tell you something i know you you're very familiar with this story

00:54:13.500 gary but there it is ultimate human um it wasn't that long ago i don't know maybe nine ten months

00:54:20.080 maybe a year where i was i was watching something that you had done and you were telling the dana

00:54:26.060 white story uh ceo of uh ufc and it led me down a rabbit hole into dana white videos talking about

00:54:34.620 his health and i'm going to let you set the stage in a second for his turnaround but i just want to

00:54:39.540 show the audience this. So this, I get to this video where he's laying out part of what Gary's

00:54:44.300 protocol for him has been and how it's been absolutely life-changing. This is a guy who was

00:54:48.680 on blood pressure medication. They were going to be doing these like aggressive interventions,

00:54:53.880 like surgical interventions on his heart. He thought he had a limited time on this earth left

00:54:58.960 when it came to his blood pressure and his heart issues. And then Gary came into his life. Long

00:55:03.280 story short, he's off all meds. He's off all of them now. Thanks to Gary. And here's some of what

00:55:08.960 he put on the internet that he does which i find fascinating so first there's um dana here there's

00:55:14.480 video of him getting into this red light bed so he doesn't just do red light for the face he does

00:55:18.600 red light he's in the bed he's got his shorts on that's all he wears and he goes into this

00:55:24.720 red light bed that he pulls down over him i think it's 20 minutes a pop he says he does this at

00:55:30.580 least a few times a week and this is one of the ways in which he starts his day then he also says

00:55:36.340 he does this. He runs on a treadmill while breathing oxygen. Now, I have done this at

00:55:44.200 this spa not far from me. We call it med spa or gym spa, spa gym. And this is like a big thing

00:55:51.340 where they have you at this gym spa. We ride a bike and we put these oxygen masks over our faces

00:55:58.160 and then you put the little like a handle on on the mountain where your oxygen goes way down

00:56:05.500 and off the mountain you get all sorts of good oxygen flowing in through this mask so it's the

00:56:10.300 same sort of approach i don't understand it any better when i do it there than i when i watch

00:56:14.560 dana doing it here we'll get to that with gary and third uh dana shows us that he goes on something

00:56:21.320 called a p-e-m-f pad that uh here in his video he just lies on it on like a massage table you can

00:56:30.820 see him pressing a button, but he says that he sleeps on this every night. And that seems like

00:56:38.380 another very low impact way of improving your health. If you just have to sleep on a pad,

00:56:43.440 I mean, this is right up our alley. Is it not people where like we can get just a little bit

00:56:47.700 better without all of that looks highly pleasant to be quite frank. So walk us through the Dana

00:56:53.860 White story and those protocols there, Gary. So I'm going to tell you the expensive way to do it

00:56:58.740 And then the free way to do it, because, you know, the best biohacking modalities, what they do is they take the best of what Mother Nature has to offer us and they just make it convenient.

00:57:11.880 Very often I say I'm a much bigger believer in what God gave us than what man makes us.

00:57:17.880 I'm a bigger believer in our God-given immune system than I am in chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals.

00:57:24.460 And the same thing is true with a lot of biohacking modalities.

00:57:26.780 um so i'm a huge believer in red light i'm a huge believer in pemf pulse electromagnetic field

00:57:34.720 and i'm also a big believer in what dana was doing which is called e-watt which is based on

00:57:39.900 dr otter warberg's research who won two nobel prizes in modern medicine called multi-step

00:57:46.440 oxygen therapy so if you can afford those pieces of equipment or you have access to them in a spa

00:57:52.440 or a gym, by all means, regular red light therapy, regular sauna, regular PEMF, even cold

00:58:00.740 immersion, and something called intermittent hypoxia, those are phenomenal things for your

00:58:06.920 body. They not only shift your cellular biology, they improve your VO2 max very often at rest,

00:58:12.480 and they have proven life extension capabilities. And I'm going to explain that in a second,

00:58:17.180 proven, clinically proven life extension capabilities. In fact, I'm in the process now

00:58:22.320 of opening 600 ultimate longevity centers all over the country

00:58:27.600 because I really feel like my message is for masses,

00:58:30.660 not just for the top 2% of a society that can afford that type of equipment.

00:58:36.640 A red light bed like that, a really good red light bed will cost you $100,000.

00:58:41.240 So if you're getting ready to buy a Ferrari, buy a hyperbaric or a red light bed.

00:58:45.640 If you don't have the money for a Ferrari or a red light bed,

00:58:48.280 you find your way to one of these centers.

00:58:50.100 and there'll be 600 of these around the country

00:58:53.640 in the next few months.

00:58:56.780 That's great.

00:58:57.840 That's great news.

00:58:58.900 Yeah, I'm really excited about.

00:59:01.240 It's a project that Tony Robbins Life Force is involved,

00:59:06.140 you know, for the corporate practice of medicine,

00:59:07.940 hormone therapy, nutrient deficiencies, peptides,

00:59:11.900 but most importantly, you know,

00:59:14.040 low-cost memberships where people can actually go in

00:59:16.160 and use sauna, red light, hyperbaric chambers,

00:59:19.520 PEMF, like you're seeing there with Dana, and something called intermittent hypoxia. And I

00:59:25.140 want to explain those in a moment. But if you can't afford a red light bed, a PEMF, and an

00:59:31.240 EWAP machine, get sunlight on your skin, learn to do breath work, and touch the surface of the earth,

00:59:38.940 you will get the same, very close to the same outcomes. Because certain wavelengths of red

00:59:44.220 light. We are very photovoltaic beings. So red light therapy, the primary role of red light

00:59:49.660 therapy is it passes through the skin. Remember that light doesn't care about inflammation. It

00:59:55.060 doesn't care about the cell wall. It doesn't care about the tissue. It passes right through your

00:59:59.260 skin. And when it passes through the skin, one of the things that it does is, without getting too

01:00:05.380 scientific, is it goes into a little organelle in the cell called the mitochondria. And the

01:00:11.160 mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell it's a little battery that's inside of your cell

01:00:15.200 and we have about 110 trillion of these in our bodies 10 of your body weight is mitochondria

01:00:21.140 so you've got 110 trillion of these in your cells they're very important and they're making energy

01:00:25.580 they're making this form of energy called ATP what's fascinating about the mitochondria is that

01:00:31.960 there's a motor inside of the mitochondria and every time it makes one revolution it has two

01:00:37.140 choices. It can either create two units of energy, two ATP, or it can create 36 units of energy,

01:00:45.260 36 ATP. One turn, and it's either 16 times more powerful or 16 times less powerful.

01:00:54.440 So what determines whether or not it's 16 times more efficient or more powerful or 16 times less?

01:01:00.460 the presence of oxygen. If oxygen enters that cycle, aerobic respiration, you get 36 ATP.

01:01:09.320 If carbon dioxide, anaerobic respiration, enters that cycle, you get two ATP. One of the things

01:01:16.160 that red light does is when it passes through the wall of this mitochondria, it kicks out a gas,

01:01:22.040 a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide, and forces oxygen to dock. So it's almost like taking

01:01:28.440 a hammer and driving oxygen into the battery, the powerhouse of the cell. So red light therapy

01:01:35.660 heals you and gives you energy from the inside out. Certain wavelengths of sunlight do the same

01:01:42.380 thing. So yes, red light therapy is excellent. How many times a week would you be doing that?

01:01:47.400 Well, red light therapy is dose dependent, just like sauna. So if you look at the research on

01:01:52.260 dry sauna, for example, and the data is clear on dry sauna, I don't think anyone in the functional

01:01:57.360 medicine or biohacking space would argue the impact of sauna. Just to clarify, dry sauna is

01:02:04.960 like what you know of as sauna. Wet sauna is steam room. I mean, dry sauna and infrared sauna.

01:02:11.840 So they're both dry. One uses light to create friction and heat you up. The other uses heat

01:02:19.300 to heat you up. A dry sauna is usually about 160 to 180 degrees. An infrared sauna is usually about

01:02:24.920 100, 155 degrees, but it also makes you sweat. It makes you sweat by using wavelengths of light

01:02:30.360 to create friction in water chromophores. So it actually also makes you sweat. Either of those

01:02:35.980 is fine, an infrared sauna or a dry sauna. I'm not a fan of commercial steam rooms unless they

01:02:42.440 filter their water because commercial steam rooms usually bring in the municipal water

01:02:46.320 and then you are vaporizing fluoride gas, chlorine gas, polyfluoroalkyls. Whatever is in that water,

01:02:52.700 you're turning into a gas good point and the way that we take a poison and turn it into a

01:02:57.980 bioweapon is we vaporize it right i mean you you and i could be sitting on in front of a desk with 0.50

01:03:03.640 a pile of anthrax on our desk no problem if you lit that on fire or vaporized it big problem

01:03:10.220 right um so there's a dark thought there's a dark yeah i got really dark there for a second

01:03:16.120 sorry wow i'm not there i was in the steam room enjoying myself until i got poisoned by anthrax

01:03:22.700 Yeah, it was all fun and games until Gary vaporized the anthrax, you know.

01:03:28.240 But, and I'm not saying municipal steam rooms are that bad, but when you walk into a lot of these, yeah, locker rooms, you smell the chlorine, right?

01:03:38.500 Yeah, that's right.

01:03:39.300 You can just smell it.

01:03:40.360 And it's chlorine gas and fluoride gas.

01:03:43.460 So unless you're filtering the water in your steam room, I would avoid that.

01:03:47.440 I wouldn't use municipal water.

01:03:48.860 But if you filter it, great.

01:03:49.720 Right. So we know that sauna reduces all-cause mortality, meaning we know that the reduction in cardiovascular risk and the reduction in all-cause mortality clearly causal, not correlated.

01:04:02.920 It is a clear line in the scientific literature. So sauna is one of those things that if you're on a longevity bandwagon, it should be somewhere in your stack.

01:04:13.580 But it is also dose dependent.

01:04:16.500 So five days is better than two.

01:04:18.140 Two days is better than one.

01:04:19.940 Red light therapy is the same way.

01:04:21.380 The more consistently you lay in a red light therapy bed, the more youthful an appearance

01:04:27.340 you'll take on.

01:04:28.460 You will notice extraordinary youthful changes in your skin.

01:04:33.320 Why?

01:04:33.600 Because it's very good for collagen, for elastin, for fibrin, and for something called vasomotor

01:04:40.800 circulation.

01:04:41.620 vasomotor is something you may even want to write down because most people think that our heart

01:04:49.740 circulates all the blood in our body they're cardiologists that think that but um that the

01:04:55.040 heart circulates all the blood running through our body that is that is not true um the heart

01:04:59.600 circulates about 30 of the blood in our body nobody has a left ventricle with a single contraction

01:05:04.380 that is strong enough to push blood um 63 000 miles you have about 63 000 miles of blood

01:05:11.200 vessel in your body, including venules and capillaries and arterioles. So this 70% of our

01:05:18.480 circulation, how does that 70% of the blood circulate? It's circulated through this activity

01:05:24.420 called vasomotor. So I want you to think of a snake swallowing a mouse, okay? We don't put a

01:05:30.920 hose in the snake's mouth and push the mouse along. What happens is there's a muscular,

01:05:35.820 like peristalsis, a muscular motion that moves that mouse down the snake's body. That's how the

01:05:42.420 bolus of blood is moved through 70% of your circulation. So vasomotor, this microvascular

01:05:51.500 circulation, we never examine it. We don't image it. We don't treat it. We don't even talk about

01:05:56.680 it. And so what happens as we age is we get compromise in this vasomotor circulation.

01:06:05.080 Red light therapy is one of the best things you can do for vasomotor circulation.

01:06:09.560 And if you go back to Dana White, Dana White had what's called brittle hypertension when I met him.

01:06:16.580 And brittle hypertension means that you have extraordinarily high blood pressure all the time, and it's not controlled well by medication.

01:06:24.760 He had been on beta blockers, calcium channel blockers, diuretics, something called ACE inhibitors.

01:06:30.840 None of it was working to keep his blood pressure down.

01:06:33.100 What was fascinating was that Dana was told he had familial hypertension.

01:06:41.560 He was told he had genetically inherited hypertension.

01:06:44.400 And I want to make something super clear for your listeners.

01:06:47.640 In modern medicine, there's a type of diagnosis called idiopathic.

01:06:52.580 So when a physician has no idea, in fact, the Latin root of that is unknown origin.

01:06:58.600 So when you have a condition and we don't know why, we just diagnose it as idiopathic.

01:07:03.840 You have idiopathic hypertension.

01:07:06.000 You have idiopathic hypothyroid.

01:07:08.360 You have idiopathic autoimmune, which means we have no idea what caused this.

01:07:16.000 85% of all primary hypertension diagnosis are idiopathic.

01:07:22.720 So when they are medicating your heart for a crime they cannot prove it's committing,

01:07:27.360 it's because they do not know the origin.

01:07:30.300 And that's in the record, idiopathic.

01:07:32.700 And so when we can't explain things in medicine, we look for other routes to validate it.

01:07:39.120 And one of the routes they do is they look at your family history and they go,

01:07:42.660 oh my gosh, Megan, look at this.

01:07:43.720 You have high blood pressure. 0.99

01:07:44.880 We've examined your heart.

01:07:46.160 There's nothing wrong with your heart, which is what happened to Dana.

01:07:48.860 Your EKG is normal.

01:07:49.900 EEG is normal.

01:07:50.700 Heart sounds are normal.

01:07:51.500 Lung sounds are normal.

01:07:52.340 cardiac cast normal, die contrast study, all of these advanced studies are all normal.

01:07:56.700 So we can't find anything wrong with the heart. We want to medicate the heart anyway.

01:08:01.100 So we look at your family history and we go, oh, look at that. Your father's brother

01:08:04.520 has hypertension. Your mother had hypertension. You have familial hypertension. You have genetically

01:08:12.020 inherited hypertension. Well, if I can get you to believe that you have a genetically inherited

01:08:16.820 disease, I can get you to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. But if we took that conversation

01:08:21.440 one step further and you look the physician in the eye and said, if I inherited this disease

01:08:27.200 from my ancestor, what gene did they pass on to me that caused this condition to exist?

01:08:34.620 That's when their face would go blank because that gene does not exist. There's not a gene

01:08:40.340 for hypertension. There's not a gene for hypothyroid. There's not a gene for type 2 diabetes,

01:08:44.620 drug and alcohol addiction, depression and anxiety. All of these things run in families.

01:08:48.840 none of them are genetic so wow that is a critical distinction so they diagnosed dana

01:08:59.620 with idiopathic hypertension hypertension of an unknown origin the reason familial genetic

01:09:09.680 hypertension even though there's no gene for hypertension so the first conversation i had

01:09:15.300 with Dana was, well, they don't know the origin. They're medicating your heart for a crime they

01:09:21.020 cannot prove it's committing. In fact, your cardiac workup says the opposite. You have

01:09:25.720 no cardiac anomalies. Your EKG, heart and lung sounds, and all of your cardiac workup has been

01:09:31.580 normal for 10 years. Dana's response, I won't say his exact response on the show because it's

01:09:38.540 very colorful, but he said, what in the beep am I on all of these medications for?

01:09:45.300 Um, and so what I found was that, uh, he had an amino acid in his blood.

01:09:53.080 Please, if you have hypertension, write this down.

01:09:55.840 He had an amino acid in his blood called homocysteine.

01:09:59.960 Homocysteine is in everyone's blood that's listening to this conversation right now.

01:10:04.120 Homocysteine is normal in our bloodstream.

01:10:07.260 Our body takes homocysteine, breaks it down and turns it into another amino acid called

01:10:14.420 methionine.

01:10:15.300 which then quiets the mind. So when homocysteine rises, which is genetic, you inherit

01:10:23.180 poor homocysteine metabolism, which means you inherit high homocysteine. You do not inherit

01:10:32.620 hypertension. And so when this amino acid rises and it's cruising by the inside lining of your

01:10:38.980 blood vessels, it irritates your blood vessel. And if you irritate a blood vessel, it will clamp

01:10:45.120 down. And when you make the pipes smaller in a fixed, excuse me, a fixed system, the pressure

01:10:52.240 goes up. An apprentice plumber knows if I want to increase the pressure, I decrease the diameter of

01:10:58.460 the pipes. So you have 63,000 miles of blood vessel in your body, 70% of which we never image

01:11:04.040 and never examine. And if you get vascular constriction, vasoconstriction in that 70%

01:11:10.960 of your system, the pressure is going to go up. Just like if I wanted to raise your blood

01:11:15.200 pressure right now, I just put some Normatec compression boots on your legs. Your blood 1.00

01:11:20.120 pressure will skyrocket. Nothing wrong with your heart. If I take the boots off, pressure goes back

01:11:25.540 to normal. So what happened to Dana over 21 weeks, and I would encourage your audience to write this

01:11:30.420 down too, if they have hypertension, check your homocysteine level. If you have high homocysteine,

01:11:36.440 that means that you have vascular constriction. If you have vascular constriction, you likely have

01:11:40.560 high blood pressure, and this is well documented in the literature, you take an amino acid called

01:11:48.020 TMG. You can get this over the counter. Trimethylglycine. What TMG will do is help your

01:11:54.540 body metabolize the homocysteine. So over 21 weeks, as Dana took this amino acid and he began

01:12:00.820 to metabolize homocysteine, as his homocysteine level dropped, his vascular system began to relax.

01:12:07.380 and as it relaxed, his pressure returned to normal.

01:12:10.660 So after 21 weeks,

01:12:11.940 he was off all of his cardiovascular medication.

01:12:14.640 He is no longer brutally hypertensive.

01:12:17.120 He does not take medication for his heart

01:12:19.320 and he takes an amino acid called trimethylglycine, TMG.

01:12:23.280 That's incredible.

01:12:23.940 Perfectly normal.

01:12:25.440 Absolutely incredible.

01:12:28.000 Just to circle back before we move on,

01:12:31.360 we talked about red light bed.

01:12:33.160 We talked about the treadmill with O2.

01:12:35.800 yes let's talk about the free version of that because i said i would tell you what to do for

01:12:41.000 free if you can afford an ewat get on a treadmill breathe the oxygen if you can't learn to do

01:12:45.820 breath work that breath work that i described at the beginning three rounds of 30 deep breaths

01:12:51.760 obnoxious like deep breaths in through your lungs really expanding your rib cage exercising the

01:12:58.280 auxiliary muscles of respiration and then out through a straw three rounds of 30 breaths

01:13:04.000 followed by an extended breath hold.

01:13:05.940 And then the final one is touching the surface of the earth.

01:13:08.380 It's called earthing or grounding.

01:13:10.280 And I used to get a lot of flack for this 10 years ago,

01:13:13.040 but it's not the new sign.

01:13:14.020 I know, I know.

01:13:14.400 That's real though, right?

01:13:15.660 That's real.

01:13:16.840 You discharge into the earth.

01:13:18.540 You can hold a voltage meter and put one,

01:13:20.600 get one off of Amazon,

01:13:21.940 put one pin of the voltage meter in your hand,

01:13:24.160 plug the other one into the ground

01:13:25.360 and then stand barefoot on top of your tennis shoes.

01:13:28.860 Okay, hold the voltage meter.

01:13:30.600 Step off of your tennis shoes onto bare ground

01:13:32.520 and watch the meter peg all the way to the right so you have to have your shoes off that's that's

01:13:38.180 yes you want to touch the surface of the earth with bare feet it's called grounding or earthing 0.98

01:13:41.680 that's why people feel so good when they go to the beach and the p-e-m-f does that yes or you

01:13:47.400 it's kind of a substitute if you can't yeah i mean if you live in a very snowy area oh by the way

01:13:52.180 does it work in a snowy area like if you if you were standing it does it'll work on cold uh ground

01:13:56.560 too what's fascinating too is a lot of commercial buildings um are grounded so like if if you

01:14:03.820 actually live in a commercial condominium you're in new york city and you're like gary there's no

01:14:06.900 dirt around um uh you can also get a grounding test meter on amazon there's six bucks um and

01:14:14.440 you can hold it and take your shoes off and stand on your tile floor you may be grounded because

01:14:19.200 commercial buildings run uh steel um and they also have steel poles so very often the the concrete

01:14:26.560 surfaces in those buildings are grounded so you may be on the 15th floor but fully grounded

01:14:30.980 you can just touch the surface of the earth touch your touch your tile and you'll be grounded

01:14:34.740 um on the subject of you know the the dana white revolution can we talk about ldl there's such a

01:14:44.800 debate over LDL. And I actually was looking into this recently because like my doctor,

01:14:53.140 I've told my audience this, he loves the statins. He thinks everybody should be on a statin. He

01:14:58.780 thinks they should be in the drinking water. Literally said that to me. I love my guy, but

01:15:02.120 he's, he's more of an old school, you know, he's not functional medicine. Um,

01:15:07.520 but I'm into functional medicine. So like, I, it's interesting for me, but so he loves,

01:15:11.760 loves loves the statins but now i know i've had enough people on the show that i know that there's

01:15:15.880 a real question about statins and there's a real question about whether we should be focused on

01:15:19.580 ldl cholesterol at all oh you're great peter atia who's he's you know in the longevity space

01:15:25.000 he does believe did he resurface well i don't know maybe he's not he's not functional but he's

01:15:31.360 in the longevity but he he loves this he wants ldl down he also believes ldl should be low and

01:15:38.000 you do have to worry. And my doctor was telling me in Europe, they want your LDL to be like below

01:15:44.120 60. I mean, that's really low. And, you know, they'll lead you to believe you're going to have

01:15:50.340 a heart attack if you don't manage the LDL. So where do you stand on LDL? So first of all,

01:15:55.780 let's talk about what cholesterol is and what it's not. So cholesterol is not a fuel supply.

01:16:01.580 Your body cannot use cholesterol for energy. So what is it? It's a construction material.

01:16:05.700 We use it to build every cell wall, every cell membrane.

01:16:09.000 We use it to make vitamin D3, the only vitamin that human beings make on our own.

01:16:14.300 Human beings only make one vitamin, and it's vitamin D3 called calciferol.

01:16:18.960 We make it from sunlight and cholesterol.

01:16:21.380 You don't need to eat, drink, or supplement.

01:16:24.340 You just expose your skin to sunlight, have cholesterol in your bloodstream, you'll make

01:16:28.060 vitamin D3.

01:16:28.940 So just think for a moment how critical that must be to human function if when God made

01:16:34.000 us, he made us with the ability to make one vitamin. So it's a construction material. And

01:16:39.120 so secondly, cholesterol is also a transport molecule. So if cholesterol was a tennis ball,

01:16:47.740 the fuzzy yellow surface on the top, that would be a triglyceride, a fat. So fat, triglyceride,

01:16:55.460 is transported around the bloodstream on the surface of cholesterol. So if you remember from

01:17:01.960 high school geometry that as the size of a sphere gets smaller, its surface area to volume ratio

01:17:11.180 goes up. Why is that? Oh, boy. Hold on. I'm going to explain it in the way that your audience is

01:17:16.780 going to get. Bring it home, Gary. For the naysayer nerds. So let's say you had two basketballs of

01:17:26.060 cholesterol sitting on your desk. Okay. They're covered in fat and you want to add more fat to

01:17:34.240 your desk. You want to put more fat on those basketballs. How do they hold more fat? Two

01:17:39.800 basketballs become four softballs. You add more fat to the bloodstream. Four softballs become eight

01:17:47.400 baseballs. You add more fat. Eight baseballs become 16 golf balls. You add more fat. 16 golf

01:17:55.280 balls become 32 little BBs. Now, those two basketballs are markers for longevity,

01:18:05.220 large puffy cholesterol. The 32 BBs are markers for cardiovascular disease.

01:18:12.940 Same level of cholesterol, different size. Does that make sense?

01:18:19.740 Yeah.

01:18:20.040 The two basketballs have the same surface area as 32 little BBs. Those 32 little BBs are very

01:18:24.920 dangerous because they will pass through the endothelium the the arterial wall they'll get

01:18:29.080 eaten by a macrophage they'll start foam cell um they'll start the production of what's called foam

01:18:33.840 cells which is the genesis of plaquing scarring narrowing cardiovascular disease cholesterol by

01:18:40.960 itself doesn't magically just jump out of the bloodstream and stick to the arterial wall

01:18:44.980 you need oxidation and you need um that molecular size of the cholesterol to be very small

01:18:52.580 So I'm going to say something that's going to sound controversial, but if anyone has evidence to prove this statement wrong, I'm happy to look at it.

01:18:59.540 No one has ever been able to do this for me so far.

01:19:02.960 But there is zero, and I mean zero, evidence anywhere in the peer-reviewed published clinical literature linking elevated levels of LDL cholesterol on its own to cardiovascular disease.

01:19:16.200 you have to have a corresponding increase in triglyceride or you have to have the small

01:19:21.740 particle size now lipo a lipo little a which is genetic is a very dangerous form of cholesterol

01:19:29.540 right now there are no pharmacological solutions for that pks3 9 inhibitors do not reduce lipo

01:19:35.120 little a there may be solutions by the end of this year but as we stand right now there are

01:19:39.900 not pharmacological solutions for lipo little a lipo b so what happens is we've selected one

01:19:46.000 myopic view of cholesterol ldl and we've said ldl high cardiovascular risk high we need to get it

01:19:53.500 low that is not true and i will tell you that in the evidence because when i was in the mortality

01:20:01.040 space we had access to the day date time location and cause of death for 371 million lives i can

01:20:09.400 tell you in 22 years, I never processed a single death claim on a centenarian, somebody who lived

01:20:14.300 over age 100, that did not have clinically elevated levels of LDL cholesterol at the time

01:20:19.580 of their death. And if you look at blue zone studies, elevated LDL cholesterol, low triglyceride.

01:20:26.320 If you look at the centenarian death claims that I processed, high LDL cholesterol, low triglyceride.

01:20:33.200 if you want to focus on a single variable that makes your cholesterol less lethal control your

01:20:40.200 insulin insulin resistance is a greater marker for cardiovascular disease insulin and hemoglobin

01:20:48.160 a1c than ldo cholesterol i would not i am not a physician so let me be the first one to say that

01:20:55.240 i'm not a physician and i am not licensed to practice medicine um but i am a data scientist

01:21:00.500 and I have read the data, if it were me or my loved one, I would not take a statin if purely

01:21:07.760 my LDL cholesterol number was elevated, especially if I had normal to low triglyceride.

01:21:14.960 So-

01:21:15.760 Can I ask you a question then?

01:21:16.760 If you're a diabetic whose insulin is controlled, right?

01:21:22.100 If you're a medicated diabetic who's controlling her insulin all the time, shouldn't you then

01:21:27.660 never die of a heart attack?

01:21:28.700 like because well what's interesting your insulin's always under control um if you look at the category

01:21:34.760 of diabetes so diabetes if there's a measure called hemoglobin a1c okay this is the three

01:21:42.840 month average of your blood sugar it goes from 4.8 to 5.6 on most standard lab values

01:21:48.100 in that range you're considered to have normal blood sugar between 5.6 and 6.0 you are considered

01:21:55.780 pre-diabetic between 6.0 and 6.4 you are diabetic but not insulin dependent

01:22:04.860 so so insulin dependence you can have diabetes and not be insulin dependent

01:22:12.500 you can have diabetes and require insulin so if you look at the incidence of cardiovascular disease

01:22:19.380 in type 2 diabetics, meaning they are diagnosed with diabetes, then you find significantly higher

01:22:27.740 rates of cardiovascular disease. In fact, insulin is a more correlated risk to cardiovascular disease

01:22:34.680 than LDL cholesterol. It is a greater predictor of cardiovascular risk and disease than LDL

01:22:41.500 cholesterol on its own. Insulin resistance is what causes cholesterol to oxidize. So

01:22:49.540 if you're going to monitor, if you just had an LDL cholesterol number and you had your insulin

01:22:56.800 and hemoglobin A1c, I would control my blood sugar before I took a stat because the uncontrolled

01:23:04.320 blood sugar- And the thing about blood sugar is it's not just sugar. I mean, obviously,

01:23:09.360 if you're having boatloads of candy and ice cream and sugary products, that's not good,

01:23:12.740 but you could eliminate all that and still have high blood sugar, right? Like, that's right. For

01:23:18.000 example, if you, if you have hunks of bread, your body recognizes that as sugar, it processes that

01:23:24.740 as a sugar. There are ways of spiking that blood sugar that have nothing to do with the consumption

01:23:28.860 of actual sugar. That's right. Yeah. And, and, and the big offenders are white bread, flour,

01:23:34.760 rice, pasta, grains. Those are the ones that they don't taste sweet, so we don't think of them as

01:23:43.060 spiking blood sugar, but they spike blood sugar. Fruits that end in berry, great. Be very protein

01:23:49.020 forward with your diet. Saturated fats and proteins are fine as long as you do not also have

01:23:55.320 high glycemic carbohydrates with them. We just updated the entire, not just the food pyramid,

01:24:00.820 but the nutritional guidelines to be very protein forward. We also ended the war on

01:24:05.580 saturated fat. When we launched the war on saturated fat, we began the explosion of

01:24:15.340 high sugary drinks, sodas, snacks, and highly processed foods. And look at the rates of diabetes

01:24:22.340 when we went after fat and replaced it with sugar. Because-

01:24:29.280 Everything got worse. And I know, Gary, you say, just to get the same, we have to take a break,

01:24:33.200 but you say the number one, the only diet rule that matters is to avoid processed foods. I mean,

01:24:41.100 processed foods are the devil. Like you can't eat them. You do not buy them. Do not have them in

01:24:48.580 your pantry. Do not give them to your children. Avoid them like the plague. Yes, this is very

01:24:54.380 true and and just quick because i know i know we're tight on time um blue zone studies meta

01:24:58.840 analyses and big data all line up there's no argument for dogmatic dieting to extend life

01:25:03.820 it's not keto paleo pescatarian vegan vegetarian carnivore you know raw food the secret to

01:25:10.100 extended life is the absence of processed food you can do fine on a vegetarian diet it's difficult

01:25:16.840 but you can very difficult on a vegan diet but you can do it on a vegetarian diet difficult but

01:25:22.300 you can do it. You can do it eating fish, chicken, meat, eggs, as long as you are not taking in high

01:25:29.740 amounts of highly processed food, and you are watching your sugars. Honey is great. You know,

01:25:36.820 fruits and berries are amazing for you. It's not no sugar, it's eating sugar in moderation.

01:25:43.680 And when you look at all of the areas of the world where we have life extension,

01:25:48.500 there is no presence of processed food. Wow. Think of that. And we are the

01:25:54.160 capital of the world when it comes to that stuff. It's part of our diet. It's pushed on us

01:25:59.860 everywhere. And we're the sickest, fattest, most disease-ridden nation in the world.

01:26:05.140 All right. A lot more to get to, including fermented foods. We're going to play you what

01:26:10.360 Cheryl Hines says about RFKJ and his obsession with steak and ferments, as he calls them.

01:26:18.040 And then what about peptides?

01:26:19.940 Is there something we should be taking?

01:26:21.080 Oh, we should definitely talk about peptides.

01:26:22.620 We'll ask him when we come back after this break.

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01:29:50.180 back with me now gary brecca he's founder of the ultimate human media platform find it now at

01:30:00.840 the ultimate human.com all right gary i have so many things i need to get through with you in the

01:30:05.260 last 13 minutes okay bang through a bunch like quick hits let's go all right um there's a lot

01:30:11.760 okay you this is from you you do not have an autoimmune disease you have a pathological 0.84

01:30:19.740 infection. So if you think you have an autoimmune disease, you say there are five things that you

01:30:29.020 need to think about. Forget what the disease is. Forget lamentations about having one. There are

01:30:37.220 five things you can look into to improve your health and how you feel. The first one on the

01:30:43.840 list is mold. Very interesting. Do you want to keep going from there? Yep. Mycotoxin, parasite,

01:30:51.040 virus, and heavy metal. I'm going to do a little demonstration here that may be the most

01:30:56.260 significant thing that you learned about autoimmune. Now, I am not saying that all

01:31:01.080 autoimmune disease is caused by those five things. What I am telling you that is that as a category

01:31:06.240 of disease, 85% of autoimmune is diagnosed as idiopathic, which means that you're led to

01:31:14.100 believe that you woke up one day, and for no apparent reason, your immune system turned on

01:31:18.340 your colon, so you have Crohn's. You woke up one day, and for no apparent reason, it started to

01:31:22.900 attack the myelin sheath of your nerve. You have multiple sclerosis. It went after your thyroid.

01:31:27.420 You have Hashimoto's, the chagrins, lacrimal gland of the eye, and on and on and on.

01:31:31.380 um so if if this this is a piece of gum but if this was a mold spore or a mycotoxin or a parasite

01:31:39.660 or a virus or a heavy metal and this healthy cell this does not hide like this it hides like this

01:31:48.780 and that's a very important distinction because the immune system is hyper vigilant it wants to

01:31:55.020 get to this right and it's hiding just for listening audience he's putting the bad thing

01:31:59.740 in the middle of his fist.

01:32:00.920 He's saying it's like hides

01:32:02.040 in the middle of your system there.

01:32:04.000 Keep going.

01:32:04.460 Yeah, so think about

01:32:05.180 if somebody across the street

01:32:06.720 from your house robbed the bank

01:32:07.720 and ran into your house

01:32:08.980 and barricaded himself in your house,

01:32:11.440 the police would bust down that door

01:32:13.160 to get to the perpetrator.

01:32:15.120 They're not just showing up to your house

01:32:16.300 to kick in the door for no reason.

01:32:17.960 They're kicking in the door

01:32:18.920 because the perpetrator is inside.

01:32:21.540 So the immune system-

01:32:22.260 That's why your autoimmune markers are up.

01:32:23.920 There's something bad happening inside of you

01:32:25.500 that they're after.

01:32:26.280 Exactly.

01:32:27.460 So we can take one of two types of belief if we have no explanation.

01:32:31.660 One, God made a mistake.

01:32:33.300 The immune system just attacked you for no reason.

01:32:35.640 God didn't make a mistake.

01:32:36.960 The immune system is there for a reason.

01:32:39.640 So the police officer just showed up and barricaded through your door and ran around your house.

01:32:43.780 Or he kicked in the door to get to a perpetrator.

01:32:47.260 So what happens when the immune system reaches the wall of a cell and it doesn't have permission to go inside?

01:32:52.740 The way it gains permission to go inside, take down the door, is it manufactures an antibody to that tissue.

01:32:59.000 So if you look at the incidence of heavy metal toxicity in Hashimoto's, which is autoimmune thyroid,

01:33:07.060 you would find that very often, not always, but very often, these patients have high levels of metals embedded in their thyroid.

01:33:15.260 Why? Because the thyroid has an affinity for heavy metals.

01:33:19.780 So mercury toxicity, palladium, lead, arsenic, very often will gravitate into the thyroid.

01:33:26.640 And then what happens?

01:33:27.620 The immune system is chasing that perpetrator, and it begins an autoimmune response.

01:33:32.540 If you have Crohn's disease, the immune system didn't just wake up one day and attack your colon for no reason.

01:33:37.340 Usually what has happened is that you have damaged the single cell layer of the inside lining of your intestine.

01:33:44.880 You have something called leaky gut, where contents from the inside of your intestine are leaking through the wall and into the bloodstream.

01:33:54.940 And the immune system arrives there and starts a fight.

01:33:58.180 And then we suppress the immune system.

01:33:59.960 We hold it responsible for a crime it's not committing.

01:34:02.620 And we give you high doses of corticosteroids, anti-inflammatories, to try to control the inflammation.

01:34:08.640 Instead of saying, why did the immune system show up in the first place?

01:34:13.180 Why is a police officer at my house kicking in my door?

01:34:17.360 Oh, there's a bank robber inside.

01:34:19.220 Oh, there's a heavy metal.

01:34:20.540 There's a mold spore, a mycotoxin, a parasite, viruses, same way.

01:34:24.120 When a virus arrives to a cell, what it does is it sticks to the cell wall and injects

01:34:28.600 its DNA, and then it takes over the function of that cell.

01:34:32.280 A virus is not a living thing.

01:34:33.920 It needs a cell to survive.

01:34:35.720 So it survives by injecting its DNA.

01:34:38.780 It's like being bitten by a zombie.

01:34:40.280 You're a zombie, right?

01:34:41.340 So a cell bitten by a virus becomes that virus, for lack of a better explanation.

01:34:47.660 And also, I just want to say, Dr. Dale Bredesen, who is a brilliant doctor who studies Alzheimer's and dementia, he says looking at all those things also helps prevent Alzheimer's because you're reducing your viral load, you're reducing your toxic load, which will help your brain in addition to these other things.

01:35:07.960 So yeah, this can help you in a number of ways.

01:35:10.740 But I want to keep going because there's so many, so many other things.

01:35:13.320 You had a woman on your show recently talking about your feet.

01:35:17.580 No one thinks about their feet as important to longevity.

01:35:21.600 But I listened to the two of you and I went, I have to say,

01:35:25.080 I bought a pair of the ugliest sneakers I have ever seen.

01:35:29.920 They're going to make us live longer somehow, Gary.

01:35:32.640 I know, but they're so not fashionable, Megan.

01:35:37.040 But I mean, if just look at the general shape of the foot,

01:35:40.460 foot shaped like a y look at the general shape of a uh shoe it's shaped like a pyramid

01:35:47.600 and like a pizza yeah pizza shaped like a slice of pizza but that's usually processed food so

01:35:54.360 let's stay away from the pizza analogy shaped like the uh the uh capital building so you you

01:36:01.000 you have this uh pizza shape to most shoes but you have a y shape to our feet and if you look

01:36:07.260 at what happens, bunions and corns and things like that, the toes start to turn in towards each

01:36:15.340 other. We also, because our shoes, some running shoes even have carbon fiber insoles, like flat

01:36:22.800 insoles. So we're losing the original strength of our feet. There's an amazing book called Born to

01:36:28.600 Run. It was about Mexican tribes that run 60, 70 miles on a regular basis every week barefoot.

01:36:35.220 And they have no ankle injuries.

01:36:37.040 They have no foot injuries.

01:36:38.160 They don't have knees and hip and low back injuries because the foot is adaptive.

01:36:42.940 The foot has 300 planes of motion that it moves in, has 20, I want to say seven bones.

01:36:50.320 So the foot is meant to adapt to different surfaces.

01:36:53.480 It's meant to be malleable. 1.00

01:36:55.500 And when we cast it and we put it in narrow toes, high heels are the worst than the most poor anatomical position for women. 1.00

01:37:04.780 And so we do damage to our feet. 0.98

01:37:08.260 You know, I've seen photographs of a lot of NBA players, famous NBA players.

01:37:12.180 These are online.

01:37:12.840 They're the grossest things you've ever seen.

01:37:14.680 Ingrown hair, I mean, ingrown toenails, toes literally overlapping with other toes.

01:37:21.740 You know, this very pizza shape to all of the toes at the distal end of the foot.

01:37:27.200 So this is a very unnatural position for us.

01:37:29.940 So, yes, wider toed, Y-shaped shoes.

01:37:32.580 Great for you.

01:37:33.380 being barefoot is excellent for you toe strength is right up there with grip strength in terms of

01:37:39.220 how we can determine how balanced we are so in elderly people that lose toe strength and they

01:37:44.820 lose foot strength it's very easy for them to fall and she was saying that if you keep your toes out 0.51

01:37:50.560 and you like lift your big toes that's good like do that to keep your you know some toe strength

01:37:55.520 separate your toes apart so that they're not together try the exercise where you just try to

01:38:00.860 just your big toe. It's way harder than you think. All right. Now, what about ferments?

01:38:07.100 Because RFKJ and a bunch of other people in the administration are on some diet where they're

01:38:11.260 eating red meat and ferments only. Well, right now he is only eating meat and fermented vegetables.

01:38:20.920 So what that looks like is in the morning at 630, he's cooking a steak and eating sauerkraut.

01:38:29.740 so what happens do you guys go out to eat is he like waiting to get back home to eat

01:38:33.940 now this is i don't know if he wants me saying this either but who cares um he's so dedicated

01:38:39.900 to this diet that he's eating that he will bring his own sauerkraut to a restaurant

01:38:46.520 which by the way katie you will appreciate this because we'll be in the car dressed up i'll have

01:38:54.080 like a little no I'll have my little clutch right one of my good bags that I only take out every

01:39:01.900 once in a while because I don't I want to keep them nice and he'll hand me a bag of sauerkraut

01:39:07.940 and say can you put this in your bag and I'll say I actually cannot and I you know what if you would

01:39:16.660 have told me when we were inside I would have brought a different bag but what you're about

01:39:22.220 to put in, in this bag is not okay. I'm going to give this bag to one of my daughters. 0.92

01:39:28.580 When she, you know, when I die, this is not a sauerkraut bag.

01:39:33.180 If you tell me ahead of time, I can bring a sauerkraut bag.

01:39:39.680 You know what I mean? It's too much.

01:39:42.240 I won't bring the Chanel.

01:39:44.140 I won't bring the Chanel. Exactly. What do you make of those?

01:39:47.620 So fermented foods are going to, first of all, they're excellent for your body. They have

01:39:51.900 great probiotic flora in them. I eat a lot of sauerkraut, a lot of kimchi, some really interesting

01:39:57.320 research coming out on kimchi and microplastics, correlated, not causal, meaning they can remove

01:40:02.380 microplastics from the body. This is a correlated result so far. But fermented foods have two

01:40:07.880 things. One, they have soluble and insoluble fiber. Soluble fiber is what turns into free fatty acids

01:40:14.120 and produces something called butyrate, which is an anti-cancer molecule, and it also lowers

01:40:20.480 inflammation. Insoluble fiber moves through the gut as bulk. And we know that high fiber diets

01:40:27.920 are correlated to decreased risk of colorectal cancer. And so one of the things that you can do

01:40:33.000 is reintroduce fermented foods and you get the benefits of soluble and insoluble fiber.

01:40:40.080 Reduction of inflammation, we would call these foods anti-cancer. They're not to treat cancer,

01:40:45.000 but we call them anti-cancer. The bulk moves through as bulk and the soluble fiber turns

01:40:49.500 into free fatty acids and butyrate really good for you all right there's a free there's a free

01:40:54.300 tip for you now peptides all the latest you know big celebs they love the peptides i'm a big fan

01:41:01.380 of peptides i've used them myself and use them with really good effect um you know with a couple

01:41:08.560 of injuries i love peptides peptide plumping or nail polish peptide plumping i guess i just don't

01:41:15.820 really care about my nails i've been enjoying my peptides i got restocked on my pet guys which i

01:41:21.800 kind of cycled off and i love them these peptides these are pills i love them bpc-157 a synthetic

01:41:34.140 15 amino acid peptide derived from a protein found in human gastric juice marketed for tendon

01:41:39.440 ligament muscle and gut repair is that something we should be taking and is there another peptide

01:41:45.460 you like? No question. First of all, so just a quick explanation on peptides. Peptides are not

01:41:51.260 new, novel, recently discovered molecules. Peptides are generally things that are made

01:41:56.320 endogenously in the human body. Insulin is a peptide. GLP-1 is a peptide. We have a trillion

01:42:03.020 dollar industry built on the back of a peptide that we make in our own gut. And we make this

01:42:07.980 peptide, GLP-1, in response to nutrient density. GHKCU, the famous copper peptide for the skin,

01:42:16.560 we make this in the human body. So peptides very often are endogenous. We make them in the human

01:42:22.160 body. That's the first thing. The second thing is they are signaling molecules. They usually tell

01:42:27.100 the body to do something, produce more growth hormone, produce more testosterone, send platelets

01:42:33.180 to this location and heal this tissue. So it taps into the body's innate systems that already exist.

01:42:41.720 Very often as we age, the body does not lose the ability to produce youthful levels of things like

01:42:49.680 growth hormone, testosterone, other hormones. The signal gets turned down. So in other words,

01:42:55.680 if you walked into a room and you could barely hear the music, you wouldn't go mess with the

01:42:58.800 speakers. You would find the tuner and you would turn the tuner up and the music would play louder.

01:43:03.180 This is how peptides work. They're signaling molecules. They are like the tuner. And so

01:43:08.040 because they're amino acids, they actually have enzymes in the body that recognize them and can

01:43:13.740 break them down and eliminate the waste. The reason why you don't desensitize to food,

01:43:18.980 you can eat 1,500 calories a day for the rest of your life. Why don't you have to eat 10,000

01:43:23.640 calories 10 years from now? Because your body is not desensitizing to food. It's not building a

01:43:29.100 intolerant to food. Why? Because we recognize it, we have enzymes to break it down, we can store it

01:43:35.220 as energy, we can use it to build structures, or we can eliminate it. Peptides fall into this

01:43:40.720 category. What's fascinating about peptides, I think these are Big Pharma's worst nightmare,

01:43:45.280 is that it can signal the body to accelerate wound healing, BPC-157, TB-500, GHKCU. Peptides

01:43:54.980 that already exist in our body, amino acid chains that we already have, we can add these back to the

01:44:01.000 body and we can accelerate wound healing. There are peptides that are anti-anxiolytic that actually

01:44:06.540 reduce the impact of anxiety. They have impacts on brain-derived neurotropic factor, BDNF.

01:44:13.040 There are peptides that cause our body to secrete something called telomerase and lengthen our

01:44:18.420 telomeres. So peptides are something that we've been using for the last 10 years in clinical

01:44:23.740 practice. My team of physicians have probably written over a quarter of a million prescriptions

01:44:29.900 for peptides without a single adverse event, serious adverse event, itching and rashes at

01:44:35.960 the site of injection, minor infection at the site of injection for not being sterile,

01:44:40.780 or some of the side effects, but those are not related to the peptide. Those are related to

01:44:45.120 the injection. There are certain peptides that have contraindications. You should always have

01:44:49.720 a physician do these. But the Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee is meeting on the 23rd of this

01:44:54.800 month, and I pray that there is a positive recommendation to the FDA that they turn into

01:45:00.740 guidance on peptides, taking these off of the Category 2 and putting them on the Category 1

01:45:05.340 list. I will be in Washington on Monday advocating for this myself. That's great to hear. Okay, well,

01:45:11.820 I'm excited by these because, as you say, Big Pharma's Nightmare. They actually seem like

01:45:16.200 they're helping people and it's not necessarily a game of, and now we are hooked for life and we're

01:45:21.240 just going to make tons of money off of you. And the more I hear, the more interested I am.

01:45:26.040 I don't think I'm on any peptides, but I'm interested. I love that. You can go to my

01:45:31.260 website and I do a whole education on peptides. I loved our conversation. I'm so grateful to you,

01:45:38.480 Gary. Thank you. Thank you for all the great work you're doing. Check out the ultimate human.com

01:45:44.520 UltimateHuman.com?

01:45:45.980 Yes.

01:45:46.780 TheUltimateHuman.com, yes.

01:45:50.400 TheUltimateHuman.com.

01:45:51.440 All the best to you and all the best to all of you.

01:45:53.140 Tomorrow, our first-time guest, Alex Bruzowitz, will be here.

01:45:56.480 Boy, does he have a lot to say.

01:45:57.500 You'll see. 0.73

01:45:59.280 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 16, 2026

Red Light Therapy, the Best Morning Routine, and Why Peptides are ＂Big Pharma's Worst Nightmare,＂ with Gary Brecka ｜ Ep. 1361

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