Charlie Kirk, a conservative commentator on the transgender issue, was found shot to death in his own home. His family and friends believe he was targeted because of his outspoken views on the controversial issue of transphobia and gender identity. His killer has not been identified and no suspects have been identified as yet.
00:02:36.240But there's a particularly high percentage committing crimes these days.
00:02:42.320And it is responsible and important to say so, which is what Charlie was doing.
00:02:49.160The thought that this was a person acting to avenge some sort of trans person or objecting to Charlie's stance on the trans issue is entirely chilling to me.
00:03:07.360Because when Charlie and I first became friends, this was an issue he wasn't even talking about that much.
00:03:12.860But he was seeing, was resonating with some on the right, and was a growing issue.
00:03:18.740And he told me that one of the reasons why I kept coming into his algorithm and catching his attention was because we were talking about this issue.
00:03:28.380And his sister, who's also outspoken and a Christian, had been forwarding him, I guess, a bunch of videos she'd seen on our show.
00:03:37.880And of course, like many on the right, it became more and more in his lens over the past few years because it's grown in the public sphere.
00:03:52.280And you've got the vast majority of Americans right now ignoring it out of a sense of politeness or kindness, a misperceived sense of kindness and not saying anything about it.
00:04:06.440And then you've got this smaller faction of us who have been jumping up and down about it.
00:04:43.780It'll be many of us on the right who will not be silenced and who will make it our mission now to continue saying all the things that you thought you silenced with that bullet.
00:04:58.000If people are true to Charlie's legacy, if college students and high school students who felt inspired at all by Charlie feel the need to live up to his example, they'll say it too.
00:05:17.040For speaking the truth about one of the most divisive, awful issues we've ever had infect our culture.
00:05:25.820I would love to say the left is learning, that the media is learning, and that now, now that they see yet again that this was an issue behind a brutal assassination, a murder of one of our national gems, that they'll see the error of their ways.
00:05:47.560That they'll start realizing they cannot keep coddling this dangerous ideology, but I know it won't be this way.
00:05:57.460I know because I understand the media, and I know because I saw CNN after Stephen Crowder was the first to report this, what was on the cartridge, CNN and then the Wall Street Journal ultimately matched his reporting, but he broke it, Stephen Crowder.
00:06:16.440CNN popped up a chyron on their screen and put up an article at CNN.com that said cultural phrases were engraved.
00:06:28.940Cultural phrases were engraved on the cartridges.
00:06:32.200Here's what the reporting actually says, that it was phrases on the cartridges expressing, quoting here, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
00:06:43.720Transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
00:07:43.020And the left and the media, but I repeat myself, uses these phrase about him, this phrase, as though it's not even controversial.
00:07:52.240It's regularly thrown out there as though it's just factual.
00:07:56.820But when it comes to actual facts about trans violence, that needs to be buried with amorphous, meaningless phrases like cultural phrases were on the ammo.
00:08:08.660So, the Stephen Crowder reporting this morning, I pulled it up for you, was given to him, he reports, by an ATF source.
00:08:25.700And it's an ATF or by law enforcement source, and it is an ATF document.
00:08:32.940This is clearly an ATF write-up of what they've learned so far, some of which was repeated in the FBI presser this morning, some of which was not.
00:08:40.880On September 10th, at approximately 12, 24 p.m., conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley University in Utah.
00:08:50.160Mr. Kirk was speaking at the university as part of the American Comeback Tour.
00:08:54.020Multiple law enforcement agencies responded immediately.
00:08:56.860The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on a rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus, and surveillance video shows the suspect jumping off and fleeing the area on foot.
00:09:06.660ATF and other law enforcement located an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt-action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus.
00:09:18.020All of this has been confirmed by the FBI after the fact, after Stephen's report.
00:09:23.780Wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus.
00:09:26.220The location of the firearm appears to match the suspect's route of travel.
00:09:31.180The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top Fed magazine.
00:09:38.080All cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
00:09:46.980What the exact quotes are, we don't know.
00:09:48.580An emergency trace has been submitted to an ATF, law enforcement working leads generated by the trace.
00:09:57.220The firearm and ammo have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions.
00:10:03.880Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information.
00:10:08.740Multiple people of interest having contacted or detained because of eyewitness testimony and review of video footage have been, I guess they meant it right.
00:10:18.800The primary suspect is yet to be identified.
00:10:21.020ATF is assisting the investigation with multiple other federal, state, and local partners.
00:10:24.600The case is co-led by the FBI and the Utah Bureau of Investigation, state bureau.
00:10:31.160Now, the FBI has also just released two images of what they call a person of interest.
00:10:42.380He is seen here with a baseball hat, sunglasses, and a shirt that appears to have an American flag on it, along with something else, though it's difficult to decipher.
00:10:52.020Here's another image taken from a different angle.
00:10:55.480Again, you can see he's wearing blue jeans, a dark shirt, sunglasses, and a hat.
00:11:00.920And on the front of his shirt, there appears to be a flag with something else on it.
00:11:04.420He appears to be white, young, male, in his early 20s.
00:11:08.460If you have any information on this individual and law enforcement is asking for your help, you are asked to call the FBI.
00:11:24.260He remains at large and obviously is considered dangerous.
00:11:28.860This morning, the FBI held a press conference and reported the following.
00:11:32.280Investigators have obtained, quote, high-quality video of the assassin, but will not yet release that to the public.
00:11:39.180The suspect who the FBI referred to as a man appears to be, they said, quote, of college age.
00:11:44.640Other evidence they have collected includes a palm imprint, they said, on the gun, a forearm imprint, and, quote, a footwear impression.
00:11:55.020Obviously, we believe that's from the ground leading to or from the college.
00:11:58.820They also have tracked the shooter's movements from the moment he arrived on campus, thanks to all the security cameras that they have, right up to the moment he escaped.
00:12:09.420Through all that work last night, we were able to make a few breakthroughs.
00:12:14.060We were able to track the movements of the shooter.
00:12:18.260Starting at 1152 a.m., the subject arrived on campus, shortly away from campus.
00:12:25.980We have tracked his movements onto the campus, through the stairwells, up to the roof, across the roof to a shooting location.
00:12:33.020After the shooting, we were able to track his movements as he moved to the other side of the building, jumped off of the building, and fled off of the campus and into a neighborhood.
00:12:45.480Our investigators have worked through those neighborhoods, contacting anybody they can with doorbell cameras, witnesses, and have thoroughly worked through those communities, trying to identify any leads.
00:13:01.740We do have good video footage of this individual.
00:13:04.760We are not going to release that at this time.
00:13:07.720We are working through some technologies and some ways to identify this individual.
00:13:12.340If we are unsuccessful, we will reach out to you as the media, and we will push that publicly to help us identify them.
00:13:18.340But we are confident in our abilities right now, and we would like to move forward in a manner that keeps everyone safe and moves this process appropriately.
00:13:29.720Just getting this in, and it's no surprise, per the New York Times, efforts to identify the suspect through facial recognition technology did not work.
00:13:37.760And that's why they are now asking for the public's help to catch him.
00:13:41.940He appears young in the pictures, and that would track because virtually all of us could be caught by facial recognition.
00:13:50.520I mean, it's quite vast, the number of pictures that they have of all of us online, not just people like me who are more familiar, but any of us.
00:14:00.200We had somebody on who walked us through the vast abilities, the facial recognition technology.
00:14:05.920They can get you when you're just three-quarters of a face, two-thirds of a face, one-third of a face.
00:14:11.260So I suppose the fact that this guy's young limits the number of public pictures of him.
00:14:19.260It looks like a him on the limited pictures that they've released.
00:14:23.940And what they've said is that they've referred to him as he.
00:14:28.260The New York Times also reported a short time ago, citing its law enforcement sources, that the weapon and the ammo are being traced by ATF analysts in West Virginia.
00:14:36.280But that evidence has not yet led to a person of interest.
00:14:38.940In short, the FBI reported literally everything that was in the Stephen Crowder ATF report except what was written on the cartridges.
00:15:08.060Yesterday, when I was reporting the news that Charlie had died, and I'm seeing the reporting from just the news, John Solomon, and I'm seeing the reporting from Deseret.
00:15:48.360And he's been verified now, in large part, by the FBI directly and the Wall Street Journal matching his reporting, including on the trans and Antifa or anti-fascist messaging that was on the cartridges.
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00:17:17.060I honestly have no words to describe it.
00:17:19.680I got the call yesterday, and I was in shock.
00:17:23.420I mean, it's the third time I've got that call in a little over a year about a close friend or a loved one almost being killed because that was when we didn't actually know what was going on yet.
00:17:34.700And so, obviously, a lot of mix of emotions.
00:17:37.940Then we got a report that, hey, he's getting blood.
00:17:42.700Then 20 minutes later, we got the news that he didn't make it.
00:17:46.060And so it was a really rough day for someone who's been a very close friend, confidant, incredible warrior for the things that we all believe in for a very long period of time.
00:18:03.800And you remember these days because I was doing your show back on Fox News at the time, and a couple friends came up to me and said, hey, you got to meet this guy.
00:18:49.560And so I took the meeting reluctantly and I sat down with Charlie Kirk for the first time.
00:18:54.720This must have been, I guess, end of 15.
00:18:57.360And in five minutes, I was like, oh, my God, this kid's brilliant.
00:19:01.360I mean, this kid himself could be president one day.
00:19:04.280You know, I just I saw a talent, perhaps, you know, that's maybe my knack in politics, whether it was Charlie or JD or a couple of the others.
00:19:10.040It's like, wait a second, I saw something there and I was like, just congratulations, you're on my team.
00:19:14.480I think Turning Point had a million dollar operating budget that year.
00:19:18.380And in the decade since, I mean, you know, pushing 200 million.
00:19:25.060And from that day, I mean, he literally for the rest of the 16 campaign was basically, you know, with me every day, fundraising, speaking, getting coffee.
00:20:26.020I mean, even, you know, even his biggest detractors.
00:20:28.720I mean, on a daily basis, Charlie Kirk gave them a platform to debate these ideas.
00:20:34.580He gave them his platform that he actually worked for, he created.
00:20:37.960He let them speak and he calmly, you know, he'd push back with ideas, with words.
00:20:44.760And, you know, I say, you know, when they talk about him being a threat and you have all these, you know, left wing, radical funded NGOs labeling him, you know, domestic terrorist and these sorts of things.
00:21:29.000And in minutes, you'd see this on a college campus, some radical giving, you know, just insane, you know, leftist talking points.
00:21:35.700And he'd push back and, you know, they were left speechless.
00:21:39.420Many of them, OK, they'd walk away just humbled.
00:21:41.940And I think half of them probably became believers.
00:21:44.500But the people who came to hear him speak, the people who, you know, went in there with an open mind, they were like, oh, oh, this is right.
00:21:54.640The indoctrination that we've dealt with since probably kindergarten is bullshit.
00:21:59.800The stuff that we're being force-fed by our college professors is absolute nonsense.
00:22:24.800And, you know, of course, the university makes it very difficult for us to get a room that would treat three times oversold.
00:22:29.760They won't let us even have a platform.
00:22:31.860And then they got to make sure all the radicals get in.
00:22:33.980And I remember we're going to go on stage and the Michigan State Police pulled us aside.
00:22:37.860They were there, not because we had them, but they were just monitoring all of it.
00:22:42.040And they basically pulled me and Charlie aside and said, hey, guys, we can't stop you from going out there, but we can't guarantee your safety.
00:22:50.720And Charlie and I both sort of simultaneously looked at us and we're like, you know, we'd rather take an ass-kicking than give them that win and be silenced.
00:22:58.340And we went out there and we pushed back and we had the haters and we had the protesters and we went at them kindly with words.
00:23:06.160And you could see the entire dynamic of the room.
00:23:08.640It went from being, you know, probably 60-40 leftist to like 90-10, 95-5 when people were like, wait a second, like let these guys have a conversation.
00:23:18.740You could see the shift in the room and Charlie did that day in and day out for nine years till yesterday when he was killed doing just that.
00:24:34.720I mean, I'll get to that in one second.
00:24:37.540Let me ask you about your dad because he said he's going to speak with, I think, the family, Erica, I think, later today.
00:24:43.720He mentioned that this morning in a 9-11 remembrance event and also announced that he's going to award Charlie the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously.
00:24:53.820He also ordered the staff – the flags to go at half-staff, which is very unusual for a private citizen.
00:25:00.380Can you talk about what Charlie meant to your dad?
00:25:04.360I mean, I think, you know, Charlie single-handedly, you know, other than my father, I guess, would have been the single-handed most important player of the last election cycle and probably, frankly, 2020 as well.
00:25:17.200I mean, you know, the gains were being made.
00:25:18.920But, I mean, I think he single-handedly won Arizona for us, probably Wisconsin as well.
00:25:24.760You know, moved, you know, the youth vote 20-plus points.
00:25:30.100And, again, that's not just youth vote to 18-year-olds.
00:25:32.920This is the 18 to 29 people who could actually vote, you know, so significantly.
00:26:07.900I spoke to my – I don't know for sure, but I think, you know, sort of unbeknownst to me, I think, you know, my father was calling me.
00:26:13.920And I had just heard, you know, from Charlie's team that was on the ground when it passed.
00:26:18.240So, I think he may have heard it directly, you know, sort of from me first.
00:26:20.840And he called me back later on that evening and we were just, you know, talking about it and how much he meant to my father and how good a fighter he was.
00:26:29.680My father truly recognized his genius and his excellence, his work ethic, everything.
00:26:36.820It's like Charlie had a seat at the table.
00:26:38.400He had real influence in the administration with you guys and all of it was earned.
00:26:44.440At just 31 years old, people recognized what a savant this kid was and how special he was and his truly genius-like abilities to understand the seams in the story and to communicate with a group that had been totally ignored by most – all Republicans, Don, until Charlie came along and said, let's fight for them.
00:27:05.560Let's – why not try to get the youth vote?
00:27:15.420Charlie was younger than most college students when he was speaking on college campuses and started doing that when we were doing it.
00:27:21.220You know, he recognized, Megan, that, you know, we can scream in our echo chamber as much as we want and, you know, everyone can nod along because they agree with what you're saying.
00:27:28.280But he understood how important it was to, you know, go to the places we weren't supposed to be and have that conversation and have that discourse.
00:27:37.340You know, he went into the lion's den more than anyone.
00:27:41.240And again, when you're at that age, you know, it's a little bit more effective than sending, you know, an 85-year-old establishment politician who can't possibly relate, doesn't understand social media, doesn't do his own, doesn't feel the vibe of what's going on.
00:29:27.260Like, don't take anything for granted.
00:29:28.900He fought to the last minute and obviously had great results in 24.
00:29:33.800You know, Don, it was 14 months ago that we were talking about the attempted assassination of your father by a shooter who got on a rooftop in a place he never should have been allowed to take a shot that was fatal for one man in the audience and was almost fatal for your dad.
00:29:51.100But what do you make of the fact that Charlie, who was as cognizant as any of us of the dangers of that day and how close your dad came to being killed in that way, wound up dying in the exact same way by a different assassin's bullet?
00:30:11.360I mean, you know, Charlie knew the threat.
00:30:14.420I mean, I know you, I'm sure, deal with it.
00:30:16.400I know I've dealt with it, and I've had, you know, I think it was, you know, in the first term, I was number two most threatened person, you know, according to the Secret Service in government.
00:30:26.080You know, we deal with these things every day.
00:30:28.340Charlie was well aware, but that was never going to stop him.
00:30:32.300And I think his faith, I mean, he was a true believer.
00:30:35.540You know, he believed he was being, you know, handled by God to do what was right for our country, and there was nothing that was going to stop him.
00:30:43.960I mean, you know, he had a security detail, but there's only so much you can do.
00:30:47.500Like I said, they almost, you know, they almost killed the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party during a presidential, you know, election and allowed that to happen.
00:30:57.020So you can take a lot of precaution, but you can't do everything.
00:31:01.160And I think this shows us, you know, no one's there to protect you.
00:31:06.640A big part of the whole conservative ethos, and certainly Charlie, you know, that individualism, you have to learn how to take care of yourself.
00:31:22.040One of the last events I did with Charlie before the election, you know, we were in Arizona, which, again, I think him and his team at Turning Point single-handedly won for us.
00:31:33.040We were doing events all over the place, and, you know, there was, you know, we got a deranged letter about a threat to me at some event that we were doing.
00:31:41.340It was going to be basically a, you know, BYOB.
00:31:43.540It was bring your own ballot, not booze, although I imagine there was probably some drinking because it was, you know, a college campus event.
00:31:48.040And I was like, you know, we're going anyway, and, you know, it turns out at the last minute, I guess they caught the guy and, you know, before the event.
00:31:55.720But, you know, these things were a regular occurrence, you know, these kinds of threats where they're literally threatening, you know, our lives or anyone that's effective.
00:32:11.480It's not violence from both sides, Megan.
00:32:12.900It's violence coming from the left, created by the left.
00:32:17.080When you call someone a Nazi, when you call them a fascist, when you call them a dictator and you say they're the greatest threat to democracy, you know, every one of us has been the greatest threat to democracy, depending on, you know, if they're leading the news cycle that day.
00:32:30.040You know, each and every day, they enabled this.
00:32:38.620And if it's not them calling us those things, it's their silence, like we saw from that just young Ukrainian woman just stabbed for no reason on the bus in the Carolinas two weeks ago.
00:32:52.180Absolute silence about it because it didn't go for the narrative.
00:32:54.660You know, rather than talking about a 14-time repeat offender who literally slits someone's throat on a bus, sitting there on her phone, minding her business, you know, guys like Charlie, you, you know, myself, you know, we talk about these things.
00:33:26.620I can't name, including probably like al-Qaeda and the Taliban, a group that is more violent per capita than the radical trans movement.
00:33:35.220I mean, when you think of mass killings, when you think of this, each and every one, and I'm sure there's plenty that we don't even know about because they wouldn't release the manifesto like they didn't, you know, in Wisconsin.
00:33:47.440Because you're not allowed to talk about the truth, you know, because, I mean, I'm sure it's totally normal.
00:33:51.120I'm sure people are totally sane after jacking themselves up on hormones given to them by some, you know, rainbow-haired freak doctor because, you know, they think men can somehow magically become women.
00:34:01.100And, you know, I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, Megan.
00:34:10.040But the reality is, you know, we've shown and we've seen they're not willing to be nice.
00:34:16.160Again, the violence is only going one way.
00:34:20.840You know, Charlie, again, probably the kindest soul I know in politics, the least radicalized.
00:34:26.880He was just, again, effective because he was able to use his words so well.
00:34:31.300But to the left, words are violence, as we've heard so many times, because it doesn't suit their agenda, which I don't know what it is, actually.
00:34:40.140I mean, the irony of this is, you know, you hear the stuff that they're saying and it's like just people are – they're actually insane.
00:34:45.480It's not like there's moderate Democrats anymore.
00:34:47.820I'm sure there are in middle America some moderate Democrats, but they certainly have no representation in Congress or the Senate because, you know,
00:34:53.400you need the crazy California or New York money, you know, to fund those things, and therefore they never actually get there.
00:34:58.860So I believe there's moderate Democrat voters.
00:35:00.660I don't believe there's any moderate Democrats anymore.
00:35:02.600And, you know, frankly, that's evidenced by some of the craziness and the insanity that we saw coming out of MSDNC yesterday and CNN and, you know, blaming Charlie.
00:35:38.400But there was a line at the end that I think is – I just wanted to raise and read.
00:35:43.180At the end of this four-minute video, he says, for years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.
00:35:52.920This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.
00:35:58.980And obviously, there's a lot of rhetoric that is problematic.
00:36:03.000A lot of it is coming from one particular side and from one particular building.
00:36:33.280I mean, that they can say that with a straight face.
00:36:36.140After vilifying everyone, after Jen Psaki, who I believe was press secretary still, when Joe Biden got before that demonic red platform and vilified over 50 percent of the country,
00:36:48.020like, you know, these same people spewing the idea that, you know, white men are the greatest domestic terror threat.
01:01:03.820I got to witness up close, Megan, Charlie's miraculous life.
01:01:10.660And there's no other way to describe it other than prophetic.
01:01:14.780Charlie Kirk had a calling on him from a very young age.
01:01:21.700And as I watched him grow and as I watched him mature and as I watched him gain exponential influence on our culture and on our land and be able to call up President Trump, who viewed Charlie Kirk as a son.
01:01:35.080As a son, as a child, as someone so close to him, I knew that he would become a target.
01:01:45.120And I believe Charlie knew this as well.
01:01:50.660And Charlie got struck down by an assassin's bullet because of his power and because of his influence and because of something that we all well knew, those who were close to him.
01:02:05.080Which is that Charlie Kirk would become the president of the United States one day in his life.
01:02:22.480We must rise up with full hearts and remember who Charlie was and what he stood for.
01:02:33.160Light in the darkness, truth in the face of evil, fearlessness, and most importantly, and as Charlie has said again and again and again, a desire to evangelize his faith in Christ Jesus our Lord.
01:02:54.040To a lost world that so desperately needs it and with the last note of his life stating that he wants peace and salvation for this country.
01:03:06.100Charlie Kirk is an American martyr, a Christian soldier, dying with honor and grace and delivered up to his Lord and Savior, Megan.
01:03:18.900And his legacy then passes on to the rest of us in our own poor and inefficient and insufficient ways to carry it forward.
01:04:08.860I was able to watch him work and I was able to see God, not only, not only God's hand on what he was building, but also the providence of his actions.
01:04:21.660And I experienced it and everybody who was near Charlie knew that there was a specific energy that only he had.
01:04:31.460And sometimes as it goes with martyrs, you don't even appreciate it when it's right there in front of you.
01:04:38.880But now looking back, you say, my goodness, God has his hand on this man.
01:04:46.020And I will never understand why God took him from us.
01:04:50.000I will never understand why he's gone today.
01:04:56.380And so your question is, how are people holding up?
01:05:00.180Well, they're holding up exactly the way that Charlie would want us to hold up because Charlie is right now smiling with that iconic and irreplaceable smile down from heaven on us.
01:05:18.500And he is saying, buck up, don't cry, continue the work.
01:05:30.680I've built this incredible organization in Turning Point USA.
01:05:33.840I've begun this movement that has started the process of saving a generation of Americans.
01:05:41.380who followed him by the tens of millions, who listened to his every word and continue that work.
01:05:51.680And that is what Charlie has said to me so many times.
01:05:54.860I'm sure he said it to you in private text messages.
01:05:58.820He said it to so many hundreds of activists and people of influence, politicians and so on, that Charlie Kirk was there constantly stiffening the spine.
01:06:29.560Megan, I'll tell you, I have wept bitterly on my knees.
01:06:33.900And I've done that in my own private space.
01:06:37.220And what it will require of us moving forward is to remember that that is not who Charlie was.
01:06:46.920He was not somebody who ever felt sorry for himself ever.
01:06:50.140He was someone who only ever served those around him and built up.
01:06:55.140And it's not easy to kill a martyr, Megan.
01:07:01.280Martyrs get more powerful after their martyrdom.
01:07:04.940And what you're seeing now today is that the world is gathering around Charlie, praying for him and his family and his beautiful wife, Erica.
01:07:15.100He is survived by Erica and their two children.
01:07:17.620They're gathering around Charlie and people are now looking with more intensity than ever at what was Charlie saying that got him killed.
01:07:26.780What was Charlie doing, Megan, that got him killed?
01:07:40.220And now today, now today we get the news that it was about his speech, that it was about his opinions, or so say the bullets that remained chambered.
01:07:54.180The reporting out of the Wall Street Journal, originally broken by Stephen Crowder, is that the three rounds not yet fired had pro-trans, anti-fascist messages written on them.
01:08:07.200No pictures yet released of that, though I'm sure it's coming.
01:08:10.340And yet another piece of evidence in that, that the that Charlie's haters didn't know him at all.
01:08:21.460We could we could be here all day playing similar exchanges between Charlie and a trans advocate or activist or someone who said they just were trans at these events.
01:08:38.260I just want to say I'm a transgender male.
01:08:42.640What age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy?
01:08:46.460Because I don't know what's true, what's not.
01:08:48.700Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story?
01:08:50.700I've known that since like third grade and I'm currently 19, almost 20.
01:08:57.000I've known basically since then I didn't start going by like a different name until seventh and eighth grade.
01:09:04.140I just don't know, like with the met, like the whole medical stuff, like what's true, what's not, what's helpful, because I've heard so many different opinions.
01:09:12.060First of all, thank you so much for that.
01:09:13.540And so I'm going to have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body.
01:09:25.180I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first.
01:09:30.360I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through.
01:09:57.920It's absolutely beautiful and respectful in its honesty and its frankness.
01:10:03.820Yes, that's who he was, and it appears to have gotten him killed.
01:10:08.140What of the news, Benny, that this may have been somebody motivated by Charlie's messaging on the trans issue and on, quote, fascism, which is code for Donald Trump on the left?
01:10:22.840Well, I want to take a moment here, Megan, and.
01:10:27.620Give your audience a little window into what demonic activity the left has been engaging in from a corporate media level through a dark money level through an activist and terrorist level.
01:11:16.780You ensure that they have a malicious style mindset.
01:11:20.580This is done through tick tock and mass formation psychosis and the allowance of left wing violence and the promotion of Luigi style left wing murderous terrorism.
01:11:36.460You lionize and venerate like the transgender shooter that just massacred children in Minneapolis.
01:11:44.300You hot people up on pharmaceuticals and drugs to make them out of their mind.
01:13:07.020That is, and I will say it to its face, that is evil, demonic activity from the pit of hell.
01:13:14.580You have lost your humanity, but it is the end stage of the dehumanization of the other, of your political enemy.
01:13:23.040And this has been an op that has been run on this country.
01:13:25.180And Charlie Kirk is, in part, a victim and a martyr because of that op and shame and a pox on the house and a forever curse on every media organization, including and up to just a few hours ago, Van Jones on CNN.
01:13:44.080Again, calling Charlie Kirk a demagogue and an irredeemable racist.
01:13:48.920And that is what Van Jones did on CNN's airwaves.
01:14:16.740Matthew Dowd, who's now been fired from even MSNBC because they had to, sat there across from Katie Turner and said the following in Sop 23 when Charlie was clinging to life.
01:14:37.280But following up with what was just said, he's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive, younger figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
01:14:50.740And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.
01:14:58.560And I think that's the environment we're in, that people just, you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.
01:15:10.120And that's the unfortunate environment we're in.
01:15:26.360They just ran this off on my family, and I know they've done the same thing to you, Megan.
01:15:30.380The New York Times just ran a piece that said that when my family was in a life-threatening situation that included fire and bullets raining down on our home in Washington, D.C., that they weren't in enough danger for the father of this newborn child to be concerned.
01:15:50.080That was the premise of a New York Times article on my family just a few weeks ago.
01:15:53.960This is the mindset of these people, that we are not worthy of sympathy.
01:16:00.620This is how they think, and it is worth internalizing that.
01:16:05.080And whether you want to share a – can you sing kumbaya and join arms with that?
01:16:09.320Or is that something that must be defeated?
01:16:11.240Is that a worldview that is so despicable and so dark that you must actually ensure that it does not continue, meaning in a peaceful way, we must set about the business of defeating the evil that stole Charlie from us.
01:16:35.980And that evil is an inhumane spiritual darkness that has overcome and washed over the left, Megan.
01:16:44.640And you see it in so many examples, but I'll give you just one final one in conclusion.
01:16:48.960The final one in conclusion is these are the same people that told us that when President Trump took a bullet to the head that it was a Republican who did it, that it was a Trump supporter who did it.
01:17:13.580You know, he and I are talking about the disgusting media and how they gin up these lies about people.
01:17:18.620They have no qualms whatsoever about what it will do to your life or your safety.
01:17:22.020I mean, in the realm of Charlie Kirk, you know, when you look at the public media figures who have been subjected to that kind of targeting, you can't think of one more well-known than Tucker Carlson.
01:17:36.860The New York Times has literally run front page article after article on him trying to convince the world that he's a racist, which is a pernicious lie.
01:17:48.660He was dear friends with Charlie, and he's here next.
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01:24:11.780But much more deeply, people need to be transformed and see each other as God sees them, you know, including their enemies, as human beings who are doing bad things but are still created by God.
01:24:23.380Like, without that worldview, then you descend into hell.
01:24:27.720In fact, you already live there, which is where, in some sense, we live now.
01:24:30.340And, boy, that just became clear because it happened to me.
01:24:34.320I mean, I was sitting there fuming and despair and, like, by the way, what was this?
01:24:40.100You know, there's always a lot going on in the backdrop.
01:24:43.300And I don't know, of course, the answer.
01:24:47.760But everyone's got an opinion on that.
01:24:50.040And it really took me away from Charlie, Erica, and their children and the things that you should be meditating on and praying about.
01:24:59.020It totally took me out of that into this place of hate.
01:26:10.640And if you talked to him about people who had attacked him or who were truly his enemies up to, and I think including the people who assassinated him yesterday, he would never, ever express hate, ever.
01:26:22.820He would always turn to, you know, this person has been led astray.
01:26:26.840This person is clearly possessed by dark forces.
01:26:29.340This person is a perpetrator but also a victim of evil.
01:26:32.480I mean, that really was his worldview.
01:26:35.120And he expressed that in public and especially in private.
01:26:39.360And I think that faith, which was completely real, not the fake faith that you see on display so often, but a real one, that was the root of his courage.
01:26:50.000He loved being with people who disagreed with him, not theoretically with them, but physically with them, you know, like close enough to smell.
01:26:58.740He would wade right in the middle of everything.
01:27:00.600I mean, I could tell you a million stories that I saw.
01:27:06.140Like he loved people, even people who hated him.
01:27:09.600And people he loved, he was the rare person who was willing to tell them what he thought was true.
01:27:14.360I mean, he really believed, as a political matter, by the way, that, you know, I don't think he had animus toward anybody in no other country, but he really believed in his own country and the obligation of his government to stand behind his country.
01:27:26.160He was truly America first in the nicest, most decent, non-ideological, but sincere way.
01:27:32.460He was one of the only people, I mean, truly one of the only people to go to the president, whom he loved.
01:27:38.200He loved Donald Trump, like personally as well.
01:27:41.280And I think the president really loved him in a real way.
01:27:44.720But he was one of the only people to go to the Oval Office and say, sir, I totally understand and think Iran's really bad.
01:27:50.380But a war with Iran is not, you know, is something that could really hurt our country.
01:27:55.320I mean, boy, that was an unpopular position.
01:28:49.580And even where his own opinion may have differed from their opinion, he felt like he owed it to them to bring their message to the sitting president of the United States.
01:28:58.280I mean, that's what's been snuffed out.
01:29:39.880But I cannot overstate the amount of attacks he took privately over this, like absolutely for real.
01:29:47.360And having lived in Washington most of my life and seen people run nonprofits, I've never met one who was willing – stand up is too strong.
01:30:23.600What do you think about the actual assassination, who was potentially behind it?
01:30:30.900Do we believe this business about – the New York Times is trying to cast doubt on what was on those cartridges and whether those messages were really there.
01:30:38.160Not saying it didn't happen, but suggesting like be careful because it may not be true.
01:30:43.180And even if it is true, it could be a situation where there's much more to it than that, than what was on those bullets.
01:30:51.660Not knowing what the truth is, any thoughts at the sound?
01:30:53.920Yes, I have so many thoughts, but I got a call about an hour ago from one of the very few people I trust in Washington and really love and like a true friend who said,
01:31:06.580I bet like everybody you're tempted to go to dark places or focus on the violence here or what was clearly a well-planned assassination and you should just take a break from that.
01:31:19.980And this is someone who I agree with on everything.
01:31:21.680It's not – this wasn't trying to control me, but just like out of concern for me as a person.
01:31:27.060Like you should focus on Charlie and who he was and proceed with wisdom and restraint.
01:31:35.380I mean, of course, you can imagine all kinds of things and I don't think anything is necessarily implausible.
01:31:41.100I do think that we should always – and I try to live by this – be skeptical of everything that we're presented as a pat explanation for anything.
01:31:49.520I mean, of course, you know, there's been – there's an awful lot of deception in this world, but we shouldn't allow, you know, the potential that what we're hearing is fake to convince us that it is fake before we know that it's fake.
01:32:01.280In other words, wait, you know, wait for the facts.
01:32:03.980But I mean, of course, it goes without saying that I would never after, you know, 35 years of doing this ever accept the first explanation from anyone.
01:32:30.020So the .223, the .556, the AR-15 round, the little .22 caliber high-pressure round that is, you know, thought to be the most dangerous gun in the world and weapon of war and all this stuff.
01:32:41.420You're constantly hearing about it is, in fact, designed basically to wound under most circumstances.
01:32:48.420The gun that murdered Charlie was what is often referred to by Chuck Schumer as a deer rifle.
01:32:54.220But, of course, it's a much larger – it is, in fact, an old-fashioned military round.
01:32:57.840It's a .30-06, .30 caliber, big, big round.
01:33:00.140And that – you know, people who understand guns – I mean I guess all I'm saying without getting like sidetracked is, you know, whoever contemplated this and pulled it off and committed the murder, you know, had thought about it and was clearly – you know, I'm not saying it was – I mean I don't know who it was.
01:33:19.260But it wasn't – clearly not some random guy who got mad yesterday morning and decided to do it.
01:33:30.160Again, I think, you know, my life over – certainly over the last 10 years proves that I'm not an acceptor of the official story just because it's the official story.
01:33:40.040By the way, the official story can be right.
01:33:42.980You know, just because it's the official story doesn't mean it's a lie.
01:33:45.080But it – you know, I think it's incumbent on us to come to our own – well, that's true.
01:33:50.560And part of the problem with living to 56 is you've seen so much – and I grew up around a lot of this stuff already – that you can just get lost in it, completely lost in it, you know, because you know a lot of things over time that are – you know the truth about some things.
01:34:06.280You don't know the truth – I don't know the truth about everything.
01:34:08.380There are many more things I'm ignorant on that I'm knowledgeable about.
01:34:11.940However, I've seen enough and been into enough dinners where people are like, well, da-da-da-da-da, and you're thinking to yourself, you have no idea what actually happened.
01:34:19.640You know, and you can get into a kind of mindset that's bad.
01:34:22.100By the way, not for nothing, but on that front, Tucker's got a documentary out today on TuckerCarlson.com on 9-11 and some hard truths we weren't told.
01:34:31.600And, of course, you're going to be called a conspiracy theorist, as people love to say.
01:34:35.480But I will say, just this week, Catherine Herridge, who nobody's ever accused of being a conspiracy theorist, has matched some of your reporting, and she's reporting it on X.
01:34:52.180There are a million things I don't know, including what was really going on on 9-11.
01:34:55.720All we proved was that the official story was, like, completely, ridiculously false.
01:34:59.680It doesn't mean that I have a pat explanation for it, and probably never will, and for a million other things.
01:35:05.280But I guess what I'm saying is I think that's super important.
01:35:08.400We need to get to the bottom of it and to a lot of other things, including the shooting at Butler, which, for some reason, we still know nothing about.
01:35:15.000And you can't have a country where someone can try to assassinate the president, and then we never get to the bottom of it.
01:35:58.120It means exactly the opposite of moral relativism.
01:36:00.020It means recognizing that we are created by a creator, all of us, no matter what our views or our appearance, all of us, and proceed with that in mind always.
01:36:09.660It doesn't mean excusing, you know, murder or anything else or pretending that transgenderism is, like, not evil.
01:36:26.580I'm like, how did this young sort of pretty yoga instructor from West Hollywood become genocidal and become totally indifferent to the murder of my friend?
01:36:54.060People have asked me this in the last 24 hours, and I'll ask you the question.
01:36:58.300You know, there's not another more prominent news person than you.
01:37:02.440And there's not one that's been attacked with the same terms they used against Charlie that have been used against me too than you.
01:37:12.120So do you worry now because the shooter's at large, and even once they catch this guy, and I think they will catch this guy, he's not the only deranged person out there or agenda-driven.
01:37:24.860I mean, I kind of don't want to answer the question, but if I'm being – okay, I will.
01:37:29.860Well, yeah, I mean, I've had some things happen in the last few years that I'm never going to talk about because my family doesn't want me to.
01:37:36.900But, like, I've had cause to think about this a lot, and I really feel like it's up to God.
01:37:47.060I'm at the head of the family, so I have concerns that extend far beyond me, and that is a subject of prayer every single day, including this morning.
01:37:55.900But I don't think that we can choose the time.
01:38:19.760I mean, you know, I've had a couple, several things that I consider very, very close calls, and so over the last 20 years or so, I've thought about it a lot, and I feel, you know, I just feel sad for Charlie's family.
01:38:33.660I feel sorry for Erica in a way that's really kind of hard to express, and it's definitely not about me.
01:38:40.340And we set up a fund for Erica and the children.
01:38:45.660I think it's going to go online in a minute.
01:38:47.120We put, we seeded it with a bunch of money, and I hope others will follow because I think.
01:38:57.640I feel like I'm more eloquent than average.
01:39:00.240I have no, nothing wise or edifying to say.
01:39:03.760You know, you stare in the face of a 31-year-old man assassinated, obviously, to send a message to the rest of us, and it's like, what do you say?
01:42:45.020And it is the only answer because you can see exactly where this goes.
01:42:48.220And so, you know, the one religion in the world that stands up and says no and then is hated for it, like that tells you this is a spiritual war.
01:43:35.200Now you have to grapple with copycats.
01:43:36.820Now you have to grapple with this as an option in the same way that Columbine crossed a line and created this new genre of violence.
01:43:44.340This is potentially where we're at now with political dialogue, and it's so antithetical to, yes, goodness and Christianity and all of it, but also just to the First Amendment and being an American.
01:43:58.160Yes, that's right, which is based on Christianity, by the way.
01:44:02.040We have a First Amendment because we believe God gave us the right to decide and to say anything.
01:44:06.860It's the only reason we have the Bill of Rights.
01:44:10.440I worry about whether this is a tipping point, yeah, a turning point, yeah, sure, for the country in a negative way.
01:44:17.760You know, this could be a descent into something – this could be the beginning of a descent into something even darker, right, as opposed to a period at the end of some terrible things that have been happening.
01:44:38.380And I appreciate every single one I've responded with gratitude to every one.
01:44:43.260But the one that stands out among the hundreds and hundreds I've received comes from my cousin Jake, who's one of the wisest people I know.
01:44:50.260And he said, I'm not praying for your safety.
01:44:53.620I'm praying that you would more fervently seek wisdom than ever before.
01:44:57.820That just stuck out to me right there.
01:45:00.060It's seek wisdom more than ever before, fervently.
01:45:37.640I've been repeating, you know, St. Michael prayer and praying that he'll help us – help defend us against the wickedness and snares of the devil, which seem ubiquitous these days.