The Megyn Kelly Show - September 09, 2022


Remembering the Queen's Life and Legacy, with Mark Steyn, Dan Wootton, Charles C.W. Cooke, and Dominique Samuels ｜ Ep. 388


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 38 minutes

Words per Minute

157.80032

Word Count

15,570

Sentence Count

993

Misogynist Sentences

67

Hate Speech Sentences

31


Summary

As the world mourns the passing of Queen Elizabeth II, a new chapter begins. Charles C.W. Cook, an American born in Great Britain, joins us to talk about the Queen's love for her country, and the special friendship between our two nations.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Now streaming on Paramount Plus.
00:00:02.860 Someone is trying to frame us.
00:00:05.160 Until our names are cleared.
00:00:07.700 We're fugitives from interval.
00:00:09.480 Like Bonnie and Clyde with better snacks.
00:00:12.840 Espionage?
00:00:13.560 You still as good a shot as you used to be?
00:00:16.540 Better.
00:00:17.380 Is there love language?
00:00:18.860 We like to walk that fine line between techno-thriller
00:00:21.360 and romantic comedy.
00:00:24.180 We make up our own rules.
00:00:25.940 NCIS Tony and Ziva.
00:00:27.400 Now streaming on Paramount Plus.
00:00:30.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:32.540 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
00:00:41.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:00:43.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:45.240 What a day.
00:00:46.640 What a 24 hours.
00:00:48.440 As the world mourns the passing of Queen Elizabeth,
00:00:51.700 a new chapter begins.
00:00:53.440 A remarkable moment in London just a short time ago
00:00:56.200 as King Charles III arrived at Buckingham Palace
00:01:00.940 along with his wife Camilla, now Queen Consort.
00:01:04.940 The couple greeted by cheering crowds and well-wishers.
00:01:09.060 Many saying to him, God save the king.
00:01:11.300 One woman seen kissing his hand.
00:01:14.240 Many in the crowds had tears in their eyes.
00:01:16.280 It's been an emotional day.
00:01:18.360 Not just for our friends over in Great Britain,
00:01:20.800 but for a lot of Americans too.
00:01:22.320 I've been feeling it.
00:01:23.780 All walks of life, young and old,
00:01:25.500 were there to welcome their new king.
00:01:27.440 Somebody they, many of them watched,
00:01:29.260 grow up and pay respects to his beloved mother.
00:01:33.060 It's starting to look like after Princess Diana died
00:01:36.220 outside of Buckingham Palace.
00:01:38.140 We've got a fantastic show lined up for you today.
00:01:40.680 Charles C.W. Cook, our favorite British American.
00:01:43.160 He's American now, but it was born in Great Britain.
00:01:45.560 He'll be here later to talk about the Queen's love
00:01:47.660 for our country and the special friendship
00:01:49.780 between our two nations.
00:01:51.720 And we'll also cover some of the bizarre,
00:01:54.800 dark moments we've seen between the announcement
00:01:57.160 of the Queen's death yesterday and today,
00:01:58.660 including the attacks leveled against her.
00:02:00.960 I mean, in the moments after her death,
00:02:02.360 some people are so awful.
00:02:05.180 One of the most shocking
00:02:05.980 was from a United States professor,
00:02:07.880 of course, of course,
00:02:10.060 who tweeted she hoped the Queen
00:02:11.720 had a, quote, excruciating death.
00:02:13.760 I hope she has an excruciating death.
00:02:15.940 I hope this Carnegie Mellon professor
00:02:17.420 goes through that.
00:02:18.580 I mean, honestly, like what's wrong with this person?
00:02:21.540 We'll get into it.
00:02:22.880 We're also going to dive in
00:02:24.100 what all of this means for America's resident royals,
00:02:26.780 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
00:02:28.280 Meghan Markle notably not
00:02:29.740 at the Balmoral residence of the Queen
00:02:33.040 as she passed yesterday.
00:02:34.360 Prince Harry and several others didn't quite make it,
00:02:36.480 but Meghan never tried to go,
00:02:38.260 nor did Kate Middleton.
00:02:39.280 We've got some additional color on that for you.
00:02:42.120 My first guest grew up in England
00:02:43.740 and has met members of the royal family.
00:02:45.840 He told us the last time he was on
00:02:47.180 about how he dined at the palace
00:02:49.400 with the royal family
00:02:50.360 after Prince Philip saw a piece
00:02:53.860 that he had written
00:02:54.920 and wanted to have him over to discuss.
00:02:57.100 He's an old friend from the Kelly File as well.
00:02:59.500 Mark Stein is the host of
00:03:01.700 The Mark Stein Show on GB News in Britain.
00:03:06.680 Now streaming on Paramount+.
00:03:08.840 Someone is trying to frame us.
00:03:11.940 Until our names are cleared.
00:03:14.400 We're fugitives from interval.
00:03:16.140 Like Bonnie and Clyde with better snacks.
00:03:19.580 Espionage?
00:03:20.220 You still as good a shot as you used to be?
00:03:23.300 Better.
00:03:24.040 Is there love language?
00:03:25.260 We like to walk that fine line
00:03:26.840 between techno-thriller
00:03:28.000 and romantic comedy.
00:03:30.820 We make up our own rules.
00:03:32.600 NCIS Tony and Ziva.
00:03:34.320 Now streaming on Paramount+.
00:03:36.120 So great to have you back, Mark.
00:03:40.440 It's lovely to be back with you, Meghan,
00:03:42.840 even on a very sad day
00:03:45.380 for those of us
00:03:46.980 who have never lived
00:03:48.440 under any other monarch,
00:03:50.680 which is most people
00:03:52.000 in the British Commonwealth these days.
00:03:54.200 So let's start there.
00:03:56.920 What is it about Queen Elizabeth's passing
00:03:59.260 that has led to this level of news coverage
00:04:02.420 and outpouring of support?
00:04:04.760 To me, this feels very different
00:04:06.760 from the passing of any normal leader,
00:04:11.240 a former president,
00:04:12.600 especially somebody who's 96.
00:04:14.440 This one feels very different.
00:04:16.220 I think it is.
00:04:18.440 She became Queen
00:04:20.380 when Harry Truman
00:04:22.140 was in the White House.
00:04:24.300 Now, that is ancient history
00:04:25.920 to most Americans.
00:04:28.200 It's whatever it is,
00:04:29.320 a third of the entire history
00:04:31.620 of the United States.
00:04:33.160 But the Queen has been there
00:04:35.000 through Truman and Eisenhower
00:04:37.320 and Kennedy and Johnson
00:04:38.600 and all the others
00:04:39.720 and has been a constant presence.
00:04:42.540 My country,
00:04:44.680 the Dominion of Canada,
00:04:45.920 is 155 years old
00:04:48.560 and she was Queen
00:04:50.300 for 70 of those years,
00:04:52.100 which is virtually
00:04:53.060 half the entire history
00:04:55.240 of the country.
00:04:56.300 And I think at a time
00:04:57.320 when we live in a super,
00:04:58.700 hyper, present tense culture
00:05:00.500 as we do these days,
00:05:02.300 that it's useful
00:05:03.660 and comforting
00:05:04.560 to have something
00:05:05.780 that isn't up to the minute
00:05:07.220 and that doesn't change
00:05:09.240 and that just endures
00:05:10.660 decade after decade.
00:05:12.260 And even at 96,
00:05:14.640 it's a tremendous shock
00:05:15.760 when she's there one minute.
00:05:17.760 Her last official act
00:05:19.260 was she sent a message
00:05:20.840 to the people of Saskatchewan
00:05:22.840 on Wednesday
00:05:23.440 after a terrible mass murder
00:05:25.500 in that province in Canada.
00:05:28.420 That was the day
00:05:29.520 before she died.
00:05:30.760 She's 96
00:05:31.440 and she's working
00:05:32.880 until the day
00:05:33.720 before she dies.
00:05:35.340 And even on camera,
00:05:36.820 as recently as Tuesday,
00:05:38.380 she passed on a Thursday
00:05:39.860 with incoming Prime Minister,
00:05:42.160 now Prime Minister Liz Truss.
00:05:43.640 That was amazing.
00:05:44.540 I mean, think about it.
00:05:45.260 If you're that ill
00:05:46.160 and there was news
00:05:48.160 about her hands
00:05:48.940 looking bruised
00:05:49.980 and darker
00:05:50.840 in the back of her hands,
00:05:52.400 so clearly she'd been
00:05:53.320 undergoing something,
00:05:55.180 to bring yourself
00:05:56.300 just to get dressed
00:05:57.300 in that kind of a state,
00:05:58.560 never mind,
00:05:59.040 go before the cameras,
00:06:00.620 pose for the photo op.
00:06:02.160 I mean, to the end,
00:06:03.940 she sacrificed self
00:06:05.940 in the name of public service.
00:06:08.380 Yes, and she'd been
00:06:09.600 trying to will
00:06:11.160 her failing body
00:06:12.920 into being strong enough
00:06:14.300 to fly back down to London
00:06:16.760 and be there
00:06:18.780 to swear in the new members
00:06:20.440 of the Privy Council.
00:06:21.620 And her doctors,
00:06:22.660 you know,
00:06:23.000 put their foot down
00:06:23.840 and said,
00:06:24.200 you can't do it.
00:06:25.160 But that's the thing.
00:06:26.260 That's what she'd been doing.
00:06:27.920 I was going to say
00:06:30.460 since 1947
00:06:31.740 when she gave
00:06:33.480 her famous speech
00:06:34.660 from Cape Town
00:06:35.500 in South Africa
00:06:36.540 pledging her life
00:06:38.780 to the service
00:06:40.140 of the peoples
00:06:43.260 of our great imperial family.
00:06:46.000 But in fact,
00:06:46.720 she'd been doing it
00:06:47.460 since before then.
00:06:48.220 I was talking
00:06:48.620 to a friend of mine,
00:06:50.400 a friend of mine's mother,
00:06:52.720 who's a little old lady
00:06:54.620 in her 90s,
00:06:55.820 and she remembers
00:06:57.600 being invited
00:06:59.080 to tea with the Queen
00:07:00.360 when Princess Elizabeth
00:07:02.380 was a little,
00:07:03.260 I think it was
00:07:03.680 a seven-year-old girl
00:07:05.140 and they'd arranged
00:07:06.260 a sort of photo op
00:07:07.480 for her
00:07:08.260 with other seven-year-old girls
00:07:10.100 from around the empire.
00:07:11.900 And my friend's mum
00:07:13.020 got to go to that.
00:07:14.980 I mean,
00:07:15.260 that is,
00:07:15.920 the world is completely,
00:07:17.440 so that's,
00:07:18.120 that would be like 90 years ago.
00:07:20.180 Everything about the world
00:07:21.820 has been utterly transformed
00:07:24.140 since then,
00:07:25.000 but she's still there.
00:07:27.460 Just a little sampling
00:07:28.800 of today's papers.
00:07:30.040 This is the Wall Street Journal
00:07:30.960 for our YouTube audience.
00:07:32.620 You can check this out.
00:07:33.420 Queen Elizabeth II
00:07:34.860 dies at 96,
00:07:36.200 and this is a picture
00:07:36.880 from her 1953 coronation
00:07:39.420 looking absolutely beautiful
00:07:41.260 and spectacular.
00:07:42.660 We'll be soon seeing
00:07:43.640 one of those
00:07:44.120 of King Charles.
00:07:45.520 New York Times,
00:07:46.460 Queen and Spirit of Britain,
00:07:49.420 Elizabeth II,
00:07:50.280 whose seven-decade reign
00:07:51.640 linked generations,
00:07:52.860 dies at 96.
00:07:55.020 A country in turmoil
00:07:56.160 enters a period of mourning
00:07:57.540 and transition.
00:07:59.480 A more recent photo
00:08:00.380 of the Queen.
00:08:01.060 And then,
00:08:01.800 the New York Post,
00:08:03.500 pretty great.
00:08:04.580 Just a picture
00:08:05.260 of her
00:08:06.440 when she's younger.
00:08:07.680 A glamour shot,
00:08:09.040 1926 to 2022.
00:08:11.580 The Queen.
00:08:12.740 She looks spectacular.
00:08:14.180 She was a great beauty
00:08:15.500 when she was younger.
00:08:16.320 She really,
00:08:16.660 she doesn't get enough credit
00:08:17.440 for her natural
00:08:18.280 good looks
00:08:19.340 at a time when,
00:08:21.100 you know,
00:08:21.380 a lot of women
00:08:22.140 were doing a lot more
00:08:22.980 than she was
00:08:23.520 to try to stay good looking
00:08:24.760 in the public eye.
00:08:25.880 But she was a beauty
00:08:26.760 inside and out,
00:08:27.580 and that's what made
00:08:28.080 the British people
00:08:28.800 and people around the world
00:08:29.920 fall in love with her.
00:08:31.460 Well,
00:08:31.860 people thought at that time,
00:08:33.180 particularly in the U.S.,
00:08:34.440 that it was actually
00:08:35.260 her sister,
00:08:36.180 Princess Margaret,
00:08:37.120 who was the great beauty.
00:08:38.980 And Princess Margaret
00:08:39.740 was the one
00:08:40.540 who led,
00:08:41.660 I guess,
00:08:42.300 a kind of pre-Meghan Markle life.
00:08:45.520 She was the one
00:08:46.480 who would be going
00:08:48.080 to parties
00:08:48.580 with Frank Sinatra
00:08:49.760 and Frank and she
00:08:51.640 would sing duets
00:08:53.580 at those parties.
00:08:56.160 And so she was generally thought,
00:08:58.640 Princess Margaret
00:08:59.180 was generally thought
00:08:59.900 to be the beautiful
00:09:01.420 and glamorous one.
00:09:03.500 But in fact,
00:09:04.400 I think the,
00:09:05.580 as you said,
00:09:06.240 as you put it,
00:09:06.920 I think the Queen
00:09:07.500 had an inner beauty
00:09:09.240 and that beauty
00:09:10.280 was basically
00:09:11.860 her sense of service
00:09:13.100 and her sense of duty.
00:09:16.000 And so it meant
00:09:16.700 that she didn't just
00:09:18.340 think about
00:09:19.040 frippery
00:09:19.880 and surface things,
00:09:21.340 but she had a deep,
00:09:23.440 profound inner beauty
00:09:24.540 and a sense
00:09:25.260 of what she needed to be
00:09:27.080 through all the decades.
00:09:29.960 Her elegance,
00:09:31.260 her dignity,
00:09:32.320 her supreme intellect,
00:09:33.780 her education,
00:09:35.080 all of it made her
00:09:35.880 more attractive
00:09:36.600 and her reluctance
00:09:38.960 to weigh in
00:09:39.940 on anything controversial,
00:09:42.020 right?
00:09:42.240 Which,
00:09:42.440 I mean,
00:09:43.120 I'll get to that
00:09:43.660 in one second
00:09:44.120 with now King Charles,
00:09:45.740 whether he shares
00:09:46.480 the same,
00:09:47.540 I think,
00:09:49.080 astute reluctance
00:09:50.560 as his mother.
00:09:51.800 But there was a reason
00:09:52.680 for that.
00:09:53.200 There was a reason
00:09:53.660 for that, Mark.
00:09:54.220 Talk to us about
00:09:55.200 when she took over
00:09:56.620 the throne
00:09:57.180 and what was happening
00:09:58.560 and basically why
00:09:59.920 she was so savvy
00:10:01.120 in not making
00:10:02.200 that position political,
00:10:03.560 what she was trying to do.
00:10:06.180 Well,
00:10:06.940 she always took
00:10:08.560 the position
00:10:09.280 that the Queen
00:10:10.840 does,
00:10:11.440 and this is very
00:10:12.240 different from her son.
00:10:14.100 The Queen
00:10:14.580 doesn't need to do,
00:10:16.120 the Queen
00:10:16.700 just needs to be.
00:10:18.660 It's a system
00:10:19.720 of government
00:10:20.380 and simply by the fact
00:10:22.740 of her existence,
00:10:24.380 she diminishes politicians,
00:10:26.120 which I happen to think
00:10:27.160 is a useful thing.
00:10:28.880 There's a difference
00:10:29.640 when a,
00:10:30.660 there's a difference
00:10:31.600 in the fact
00:10:32.040 that Justin Trudeau
00:10:33.300 is merely
00:10:34.180 the first minister
00:10:35.980 of a government.
00:10:36.840 he's not the head
00:10:37.880 of state.
00:10:38.460 The fact
00:10:39.460 of the Queen's existence
00:10:41.020 diminishes politicians,
00:10:43.340 which I think
00:10:43.880 is of supreme
00:10:44.700 importance these days
00:10:46.300 and the risk
00:10:47.180 of sending
00:10:47.680 all my conservative
00:10:49.060 American friends
00:10:50.340 bonkers,
00:10:51.200 I think is a defect
00:10:52.180 of the American
00:10:53.040 constitution,
00:10:53.620 which combines
00:10:54.700 the head of state
00:10:55.980 and head of government.
00:10:57.320 She had firm views.
00:10:59.200 She knew everything.
00:11:00.360 I mean,
00:11:00.720 I've had a couple
00:11:02.900 of encounters from her,
00:11:04.340 but they were
00:11:04.800 private events
00:11:06.060 and so I got to have
00:11:08.700 fairly extended exchanges
00:11:11.300 and to be in the presence
00:11:13.080 of extended exchanges.
00:11:14.980 She knew everything
00:11:16.080 about everywhere.
00:11:17.540 She took her job seriously
00:11:19.000 and so if she's going
00:11:21.180 to a,
00:11:21.900 she's going to a literary reception
00:11:24.820 for the Commonwealth
00:11:26.280 Novel of the Year
00:11:27.660 or whatever it is
00:11:28.620 and there's going to be
00:11:29.500 some West African novelists
00:11:31.160 there,
00:11:31.900 she'd bone up
00:11:32.720 on the West African
00:11:34.000 literary scene.
00:11:34.980 There wasn't anything
00:11:35.900 she didn't know a,
00:11:38.180 she didn't have
00:11:39.480 a informed view of
00:11:42.500 and that's,
00:11:43.520 and that actually,
00:11:44.520 if you do,
00:11:44.940 if you're just there
00:11:45.740 for year in,
00:11:46.520 year out,
00:11:47.420 so if you can imagine,
00:11:48.800 Harry Truman was a smart guy.
00:11:50.340 If you can imagine
00:11:50.980 that Harry Truman
00:11:51.900 was still here now
00:11:53.880 70 years later,
00:11:57.060 how much experience
00:11:58.960 and knowledge
00:11:59.920 he would have,
00:12:01.940 then that's actually
00:12:03.060 the equivalent
00:12:04.500 of what the Queen did
00:12:05.880 through all these years.
00:12:08.160 There was also talk
00:12:09.340 throughout her reign
00:12:10.780 about abolishing
00:12:12.440 the monarchy
00:12:13.040 and, you know,
00:12:14.360 do we still need
00:12:15.000 a royal family
00:12:15.760 and what about colonialism
00:12:16.760 and shouldn't there be
00:12:17.680 payback and so on
00:12:18.460 and so forth?
00:12:18.960 And somehow,
00:12:20.820 from the time
00:12:21.820 she hit the microphones
00:12:24.320 at age 14
00:12:25.520 to speak to other children
00:12:26.740 who'd been taken out
00:12:28.720 of London during World War II,
00:12:30.640 straight through
00:12:31.360 to that speech she made,
00:12:33.120 should I live,
00:12:33.780 should it be a long one
00:12:34.660 or a short one
00:12:35.320 in terms of her life,
00:12:36.120 I will serve,
00:12:36.980 I will,
00:12:38.120 you know,
00:12:38.360 I'll give you my heart.
00:12:40.000 Somehow,
00:12:40.660 she always found the way
00:12:42.220 to almost,
00:12:44.340 well,
00:12:44.520 to really,
00:12:44.880 to be in service,
00:12:45.720 to almost bend the knee
00:12:47.120 to her people
00:12:47.860 to make sure
00:12:48.720 that they knew
00:12:49.540 she didn't see herself
00:12:51.620 as ruler.
00:12:52.880 She saw herself
00:12:53.680 as someone
00:12:54.140 who would work
00:12:54.740 for the people
00:12:55.360 and give to the people
00:12:56.880 and try to do right
00:12:58.040 by the people,
00:12:58.960 right?
00:12:59.180 And to me,
00:12:59.900 that seemed very clever
00:13:00.980 when you're in a position
00:13:02.900 that's precarious.
00:13:05.220 Well,
00:13:05.360 I don't think,
00:13:06.100 I don't think it's clever.
00:13:07.380 I think you're right
00:13:08.420 that in that South African speech
00:13:10.480 for her 21st birthday
00:13:12.360 when she pledged myself
00:13:15.000 to our great imperial family
00:13:16.860 and all the rest of it,
00:13:17.700 she says,
00:13:18.080 but I can't do it
00:13:19.380 without your support.
00:13:21.920 So that view of it
00:13:23.480 was there,
00:13:24.780 you know,
00:13:25.520 75 years ago
00:13:27.040 in 1947
00:13:28.160 and has been generally true.
00:13:31.060 She was born in 1926,
00:13:33.200 which is just a couple of years
00:13:34.620 after all the great empires
00:13:37.580 of her cousins
00:13:38.540 had fallen
00:13:39.540 during the Great War.
00:13:41.900 So the Russian Empire
00:13:43.820 had gone,
00:13:44.420 the German Empire
00:13:45.920 had gone,
00:13:46.360 the Austrian Empire
00:13:47.360 had gone,
00:13:47.800 the Turkish Empire
00:13:48.880 had gone,
00:13:49.820 and that's the world
00:13:50.720 she was born into
00:13:51.800 in which you could be
00:13:53.260 in the most stable
00:13:54.460 and powerful royal family
00:13:55.920 and you had no great expectation
00:13:58.340 of becoming queen
00:14:00.680 and staying queen
00:14:01.820 because this is no longer
00:14:03.860 an age of kings.
00:14:06.000 And so to survive,
00:14:07.620 you have to be pretty nimble
00:14:09.500 and you have to walk
00:14:10.420 a very fine,
00:14:12.160 careful tightrope
00:14:14.220 between moving with the times
00:14:17.820 and at the same time
00:14:19.700 representing,
00:14:21.420 you know,
00:14:22.440 the mystic chords of memory
00:14:23.740 or whatever Lincoln would say.
00:14:25.300 And she did that,
00:14:26.460 you know,
00:14:26.880 just a couple of months ago
00:14:28.100 she was doing a comedy sketch
00:14:29.540 with Paddington Bear
00:14:30.740 for her Platinum Jubilee
00:14:33.880 and doing,
00:14:35.040 actually,
00:14:35.660 you know,
00:14:36.320 Joe Biden
00:14:37.540 couldn't have managed
00:14:38.620 those lines
00:14:40.180 with the comic timing
00:14:41.340 of the queen
00:14:41.860 and the queen's
00:14:42.480 20 years older than him.
00:14:44.060 So,
00:14:44.500 she was pretty good
00:14:46.920 and pretty sure-footed
00:14:48.500 with one or two exceptions
00:14:49.880 until the end.
00:14:52.960 Truly,
00:14:53.140 when you look back
00:14:53.920 on her public persona,
00:14:57.200 you talk about the missteps.
00:14:58.460 I mean,
00:14:58.640 the only,
00:14:59.040 I'm sure you have them all,
00:14:59.960 but the only one that,
00:15:01.180 you know,
00:15:01.520 I think of is the,
00:15:02.720 after the death
00:15:03.620 of Princess Diana,
00:15:05.200 you know,
00:15:05.720 she misread that situation
00:15:07.200 according to reports.
00:15:08.300 I mean,
00:15:08.440 what we knew as lay people
00:15:09.940 was she wasn't saying anything
00:15:12.080 soon enough
00:15:13.220 and people started to think
00:15:14.800 she didn't respect Diana
00:15:16.160 and that she wasn't getting
00:15:17.860 where the public sentiment was
00:15:19.560 and then the report was
00:15:20.980 that Tony Blair went to her
00:15:22.080 and said,
00:15:22.960 you need to get out there
00:15:24.700 right away
00:15:25.500 and say something.
00:15:26.520 This calls for a grand gesture
00:15:28.420 and then she did.
00:15:30.240 She made a speech.
00:15:31.800 She,
00:15:32.400 I remember,
00:15:33.460 bowed the head
00:15:34.220 as Diana's casket went by
00:15:37.100 and,
00:15:37.640 you know,
00:15:37.800 it's like,
00:15:38.200 the monarch doesn't bow.
00:15:39.960 The monarch is bowed too,
00:15:41.460 but she did that
00:15:42.360 and she seems to have been
00:15:44.320 very quickly forgiven
00:15:45.360 by most folks for that.
00:15:48.480 Yeah,
00:15:48.920 it was,
00:15:49.540 it was a troubling moment
00:15:51.720 because it was a slightly
00:15:53.100 deranged moment
00:15:54.700 in London that week
00:15:56.400 and when the Queen
00:15:59.340 was prevailed upon
00:16:00.360 to make a statement
00:16:01.400 because initially
00:16:02.380 they took the view
00:16:03.660 that the boys were in shock.
00:16:05.960 Her grandsons
00:16:06.820 had just lost their mother
00:16:08.140 and they wanted to stay
00:16:09.420 in Scotland,
00:16:10.740 the Queen
00:16:11.360 and the Duke of Edinburgh
00:16:12.200 and just look after the kids,
00:16:13.720 which actually is a normal
00:16:14.920 family thing to do.
00:16:16.280 Right.
00:16:16.940 And Tony Blair said,
00:16:18.400 no,
00:16:18.680 no,
00:16:18.900 no,
00:16:19.080 the mob's gonna smash
00:16:21.120 through the gates
00:16:21.860 of Buckingham Palace
00:16:22.840 and ransack the joint
00:16:24.100 if you don't get out there.
00:16:25.640 But even then,
00:16:27.280 even though she was prevailed upon
00:16:28.820 to make that speech,
00:16:29.860 I always remember
00:16:30.940 that the Queen
00:16:31.580 was very adroit
00:16:33.640 in her choice of words.
00:16:36.220 I remember she,
00:16:37.320 she went to one point,
00:16:38.460 Diana,
00:16:39.520 Diana
00:16:40.020 was,
00:16:41.620 and there was a long pause
00:16:43.060 and then she goes,
00:16:44.000 an extraordinary woman.
00:16:47.180 And in that,
00:16:48.540 and in that choice
00:16:50.160 of adjective,
00:16:51.520 you can read
00:16:52.580 anything you want.
00:16:53.740 But the Queen
00:16:54.260 was telling us,
00:16:55.480 look,
00:16:56.160 I understand
00:16:57.100 there are certain things
00:16:58.180 I have to do,
00:16:59.000 but I'm not gonna be
00:17:00.060 shanghaied
00:17:01.220 into peddling
00:17:02.560 a lot of hokum
00:17:03.520 just because you guys
00:17:04.540 are going bananas.
00:17:05.860 Well,
00:17:06.280 that is one of the things
00:17:07.240 about Diana is,
00:17:08.640 you know,
00:17:09.080 now that we learn
00:17:09.760 more about her
00:17:10.840 and, you know,
00:17:11.400 she was not a particularly
00:17:12.400 emotionally well person.
00:17:15.220 And so,
00:17:16.180 the picture becomes
00:17:17.300 more clear
00:17:17.840 that there was
00:17:19.120 damage being done
00:17:20.660 by both parties
00:17:21.740 and so it wasn't
00:17:23.540 all one-sided,
00:17:24.480 the royal family
00:17:25.100 against her.
00:17:26.500 And now,
00:17:26.900 you know,
00:17:27.380 of course,
00:17:27.820 now you have
00:17:28.120 Meghan Markle
00:17:28.600 trying to be
00:17:29.000 the next Diana,
00:17:29.680 trying to make
00:17:30.020 similar claims
00:17:30.640 to what Diana
00:17:31.320 made about
00:17:31.820 the royal family
00:17:32.860 ignoring her alleged
00:17:34.160 suicidality and so on.
00:17:35.940 Here we go again
00:17:36.540 and we know,
00:17:37.340 well,
00:17:37.480 we have reason to believe
00:17:38.320 that she's a serial liar
00:17:39.880 who makes up things
00:17:40.700 to generate public sympathy.
00:17:41.740 So the Queen had,
00:17:43.700 it wasn't her first rodeo
00:17:45.060 when Meghan and Harry
00:17:46.700 got married
00:17:47.180 and pulled all that nonsense.
00:17:48.920 Can I ask you about her though?
00:17:50.180 Yeah,
00:17:50.340 go ahead.
00:17:50.780 Go ahead, Mark.
00:17:51.600 No,
00:17:51.860 I just want to say
00:17:52.840 something about that.
00:17:53.660 I mean,
00:17:53.840 Harry and Meghan
00:17:54.880 are the weird,
00:17:56.020 the Queen's view
00:17:57.580 of the royal family
00:17:58.580 of being royal
00:17:59.260 is it's a job.
00:18:00.320 It's a dull job
00:18:01.380 in a lot of times.
00:18:03.120 It involves going,
00:18:04.760 you know,
00:18:05.360 and visiting
00:18:05.980 a primary school
00:18:08.160 in New Zealand
00:18:09.060 and talking to
00:18:11.260 a lot of
00:18:12.060 five and six year old
00:18:13.300 boys and girls
00:18:14.240 from some corner
00:18:15.560 of New Zealand
00:18:16.280 or some corner
00:18:17.060 of Belize
00:18:17.720 or some corner
00:18:18.880 of wherever.
00:18:19.800 And that's not
00:18:20.480 the most interesting thing
00:18:21.920 to someone like Meghan Markle
00:18:23.780 who seemed to think
00:18:24.660 she was marrying
00:18:26.040 into A-list celebrity.
00:18:27.660 So her wedding guests,
00:18:29.160 which is weird,
00:18:29.980 I've never heard of this
00:18:31.080 from anybody's wedding,
00:18:33.260 you invite people
00:18:34.420 you've never met before.
00:18:35.860 So she invited George.
00:18:37.360 Normally at a wedding,
00:18:38.500 you invite your family
00:18:39.220 and friends.
00:18:40.060 She invented,
00:18:40.820 she invited total strangers
00:18:42.320 like George Clooney.
00:18:43.880 Now,
00:18:44.420 I don't know why
00:18:45.220 she would do that,
00:18:46.300 but it seems to me
00:18:47.840 that's a misconception
00:18:48.840 of what being a member
00:18:51.160 of a royal family is.
00:18:53.120 That one of the last pictures
00:18:54.800 of the Queen's working life
00:18:56.420 from just a few weeks ago
00:18:57.780 was her receiving
00:18:59.300 the governor
00:19:00.020 of New South Wales,
00:19:01.200 who's a very nice lady
00:19:02.340 who happens to be
00:19:03.260 the Queen's vicerate
00:19:04.380 legal representative
00:19:05.540 in Sydney.
00:19:07.560 And whoop-dee-doo,
00:19:08.860 I don't think
00:19:10.040 when I'm 96,
00:19:11.320 if I make it that long,
00:19:12.440 I don't think you'd
00:19:13.280 want to do it either,
00:19:14.960 Meghan,
00:19:15.680 be receiving a lady
00:19:18.740 who's the governor
00:19:20.340 of New South Wales
00:19:21.320 and you're expected
00:19:22.060 to be able to talk
00:19:23.000 about the ins and outs
00:19:24.640 of public life
00:19:26.660 in New South Wales
00:19:28.240 in an informed manner
00:19:30.020 for half an hour,
00:19:31.900 45 minutes or whatever.
00:19:33.100 That's not something
00:19:33.900 most 96-year-olds
00:19:35.280 want to do.
00:19:36.120 Meghan Markle thought
00:19:37.680 that being in the royal family
00:19:39.480 was just having a card
00:19:41.460 to pal around
00:19:42.320 with George Clooney
00:19:43.440 all the time.
00:19:44.500 And when she found it
00:19:45.380 meant visiting regiments
00:19:47.300 and visiting hospitals
00:19:48.540 and being nice
00:19:49.740 to small kids
00:19:50.600 from the other side
00:19:51.380 of the planet,
00:19:52.040 she lost interest in it,
00:19:53.700 thought this is
00:19:54.280 Yawnsville,
00:19:56.000 this is a big
00:19:57.100 yawn-a-roo,
00:19:58.200 there's no George Clooney,
00:19:59.780 there's no,
00:20:00.260 I'm out of here.
00:20:00.940 She had a fundamental
00:20:02.180 misconception of the job.
00:20:04.620 It reminds me of a line
00:20:06.220 by Larry David
00:20:06.920 in Curb Your Enthusiasm
00:20:07.960 where he's trying to explain
00:20:09.040 why he's not going to
00:20:10.140 go play golf
00:20:11.220 even though he lost a bet
00:20:12.380 that would require him
00:20:13.180 to play golf
00:20:13.820 or go to Temple,
00:20:14.920 I think it was.
00:20:15.460 And he said,
00:20:15.960 I'm a senior citizen.
00:20:18.420 My time is limited.
00:20:19.620 At this point in my life,
00:20:20.720 I shouldn't be compelled
00:20:22.100 into doing anything
00:20:23.180 I don't want to do.
00:20:24.220 Well, that's Larry David
00:20:24.880 in his 70s.
00:20:26.500 Look at Queen Elizabeth
00:20:27.480 at 96.
00:20:28.840 She still did it.
00:20:30.140 She did her duty
00:20:31.000 even though,
00:20:31.560 as you point out,
00:20:32.060 I'm sure it wasn't
00:20:32.680 exactly atop her list.
00:20:34.340 She would have rather
00:20:34.800 been with her dogs
00:20:35.540 and her horses
00:20:36.200 and her family.
00:20:38.280 A question on
00:20:39.780 the Meghan Markle thing
00:20:40.960 because I've been
00:20:41.700 thinking about it.
00:20:43.000 I really think the Queen
00:20:43.980 was the anti-Meghan Markle
00:20:45.140 and it's one of the reasons
00:20:46.460 we're so sad to lose her.
00:20:49.700 Meghan Markle,
00:20:50.500 and it's not just Meghan,
00:20:51.540 but she's representative
00:20:52.720 of a new generation
00:20:53.840 that loves to whine,
00:20:56.220 loves to complain,
00:20:57.520 loves to invent problems,
00:20:58.980 loves to take
00:20:59.640 one random slight
00:21:00.680 that may or may not
00:21:01.420 have happened
00:21:01.900 and blow it up
00:21:02.940 into the entire narrative,
00:21:04.700 right?
00:21:04.900 The entire narrative
00:21:05.720 when she claimed
00:21:06.800 in that interview
00:21:07.320 with the cut
00:21:07.800 that the press
00:21:08.700 are calling her children
00:21:10.000 the N-word.
00:21:11.120 Who?
00:21:11.620 Where?
00:21:12.300 That would have been
00:21:12.740 a massive story.
00:21:13.920 There would have been
00:21:14.340 international backlash.
00:21:15.960 So clearly she's
00:21:16.760 on the comments sections
00:21:18.120 of random posts
00:21:20.100 about her online
00:21:21.040 where somebody got away
00:21:22.600 with offering
00:21:23.700 a terrible remark.
00:21:24.780 If that,
00:21:25.480 I'm giving her
00:21:25.820 the benefit of the doubt.
00:21:26.680 And she blew it up
00:21:27.720 into her narrative
00:21:29.320 about how she's treated
00:21:30.300 by the British press
00:21:31.300 in an interview
00:21:32.200 with New York Magazine.
00:21:33.160 That says something
00:21:33.900 about Meghan Markle
00:21:34.680 in the same way
00:21:36.000 as the Queen
00:21:36.980 that said something
00:21:37.900 about her
00:21:38.460 that it was
00:21:39.700 never complain,
00:21:41.000 never explain.
00:21:41.920 She would be the last
00:21:43.800 to run to the cameras
00:21:44.820 or the press
00:21:45.540 and start lambasting
00:21:47.280 anyone in her family,
00:21:48.420 even those who deserved it,
00:21:49.740 or attackers
00:21:50.540 of the royal family.
00:21:52.240 Yes, I think that's true.
00:21:54.400 And she regarded
00:21:55.780 all that
00:21:56.700 as part of the job.
00:21:57.980 Another reason
00:21:59.000 I actually quite like
00:22:00.900 constitutional monarchy
00:22:02.320 as a system
00:22:03.120 is because it ensures
00:22:05.220 that there's always
00:22:06.160 a certain percentage
00:22:07.040 of people
00:22:07.580 who object to it.
00:22:09.520 You know,
00:22:09.800 that's the nature
00:22:10.380 of monarchy.
00:22:11.280 You'll always have
00:22:11.900 a small Republican movement
00:22:13.380 that doesn't want
00:22:14.100 anything to do with it.
00:22:15.740 Yet last night
00:22:16.720 there were pubs
00:22:17.680 in Londonderry
00:22:19.080 in Northern Ireland,
00:22:19.980 which is within
00:22:20.840 Her Majesty's dominions,
00:22:23.340 where there were people
00:22:24.640 laughing and joking
00:22:26.360 and sneering
00:22:27.340 at the idea
00:22:28.160 of the dead queen.
00:22:28.980 The queen wouldn't have
00:22:29.660 cared about that
00:22:30.300 for a moment.
00:22:31.020 She accepted that
00:22:31.800 as part of the job.
00:22:33.240 When she did
00:22:33.680 Trooping the Colour,
00:22:34.560 whatever it was,
00:22:35.180 I think about 30 years ago,
00:22:37.920 some guy,
00:22:38.500 she was riding her horse
00:22:40.040 through,
00:22:41.080 down Horse Guards Road
00:22:43.480 in London,
00:22:44.380 and some guy
00:22:45.720 stepped out
00:22:46.620 and pulled a gun
00:22:48.180 directly in front
00:22:49.760 of her
00:22:50.180 and in front
00:22:51.820 of her horse.
00:22:52.820 And the coppers
00:22:54.300 got to him.
00:22:55.140 It's not like
00:22:55.900 President whatever
00:22:57.740 in his
00:22:58.300 48-car motorcade.
00:23:01.100 There's just
00:23:01.660 the queen on a horse.
00:23:03.040 The next year
00:23:03.820 she was back
00:23:04.560 on the horse
00:23:05.520 because she regards
00:23:06.520 that as part
00:23:07.320 of the job.
00:23:07.880 The risk
00:23:08.440 is part of the job.
00:23:09.620 The insults
00:23:10.900 are part of the job.
00:23:12.860 And she handled
00:23:13.740 it so well
00:23:14.480 that, for example,
00:23:15.520 Maoris,
00:23:16.380 Dan Wooten
00:23:17.080 would know about this,
00:23:18.100 but disrespectful Maoris
00:23:19.920 tend to greet
00:23:21.200 the queen
00:23:21.720 by turning around
00:23:23.540 and dropping
00:23:24.000 their trousers
00:23:24.760 and bearing
00:23:25.380 their bottoms.
00:23:26.020 Oh, boy.
00:23:26.580 And after about
00:23:27.140 the third time
00:23:28.780 it happened,
00:23:29.300 the queen just
00:23:29.880 would wave
00:23:30.360 her gloved hand
00:23:31.420 at all those
00:23:32.580 pert Maori bottoms
00:23:34.580 and it's
00:23:37.640 de facto
00:23:38.480 incorporated
00:23:39.900 in New Zealand
00:23:40.940 ceremonial.
00:23:42.240 The queen
00:23:42.780 just waving
00:23:43.680 her hand
00:23:44.600 at the mass
00:23:45.300 ranks
00:23:45.760 of Maori bottoms.
00:23:47.420 The insults
00:23:48.640 come with the job.
00:23:49.720 The slights
00:23:50.500 come with the job.
00:23:51.360 The dangers,
00:23:52.200 the risks
00:23:52.520 come with the job.
00:23:53.560 And the idea
00:23:54.140 of Meghan Markle
00:23:55.480 recycling
00:23:56.260 the same
00:23:56.900 half-dozen
00:23:57.580 grievances
00:23:58.280 to ever-diminishing
00:24:00.020 returns
00:24:00.740 on Oprah
00:24:01.560 or whatever
00:24:02.520 show she's down
00:24:03.500 to by now
00:24:04.300 is absolutely
00:24:05.720 pathetic.
00:24:06.340 The queen
00:24:10.140 is taking
00:24:11.200 criticism
00:24:12.380 to this moment
00:24:13.360 in a way
00:24:13.940 that is
00:24:14.440 offensive.
00:24:15.400 Maybe the queen
00:24:16.000 would have
00:24:16.300 blown it off.
00:24:17.180 Almost certainly,
00:24:18.020 yes,
00:24:18.260 she would have,
00:24:18.740 but the rest
00:24:19.120 of us don't
00:24:19.480 have to.
00:24:20.260 People have
00:24:20.760 lost their
00:24:21.160 minds,
00:24:21.640 Mark.
00:24:21.760 I mean,
00:24:21.900 it's just
00:24:22.180 so disgusting.
00:24:23.340 I'll give you
00:24:23.740 one example
00:24:24.300 I mentioned
00:24:24.820 in the intro.
00:24:25.840 Her name
00:24:26.160 is Uju Anya.
00:24:28.200 She's a professor
00:24:28.940 at Carnegie Mellon
00:24:29.880 and she currently
00:24:31.220 teaches and conducts
00:24:32.000 research as an
00:24:32.900 associate professor
00:24:33.560 of second language
00:24:34.440 acquisition there.
00:24:35.360 She tweeted
00:24:37.600 yesterday,
00:24:39.200 right after we
00:24:39.880 found out about
00:24:40.460 the queen's death,
00:24:42.000 I heard the chief
00:24:42.760 monarch of a
00:24:43.620 thieving,
00:24:44.480 raping,
00:24:45.260 genocidal empire
00:24:46.520 is finally dying.
00:24:48.460 May her pain
00:24:49.260 be excruciating.
00:24:51.660 She went on,
00:24:52.920 that wretched
00:24:54.180 woman and her
00:24:55.160 bloodthirsty throne
00:24:56.300 have effed
00:24:57.020 generations of
00:24:58.000 my ancestors
00:24:58.640 on both sides
00:24:59.200 of the family
00:24:59.700 and she supervised
00:25:00.680 a government
00:25:01.040 that sponsored
00:25:01.660 the genocide
00:25:02.320 of my parents
00:25:03.060 that my parents
00:25:04.120 and siblings
00:25:04.580 survived.
00:25:06.000 May she die
00:25:06.800 in agony.
00:25:08.400 And goes on
00:25:09.180 and on and on.
00:25:09.900 Carnegie Mellon
00:25:10.500 has now distanced
00:25:11.240 itself from her
00:25:11.900 saying that
00:25:13.220 this does not,
00:25:14.040 it does not
00:25:14.720 condone the
00:25:15.400 offensive and
00:25:15.980 objectionable messages.
00:25:17.640 Even Jeff Bezos
00:25:18.540 responded to her
00:25:19.560 saying,
00:25:20.080 this is someone
00:25:21.140 supposedly working
00:25:22.120 to make the world
00:25:22.800 better?
00:25:23.360 I don't think so.
00:25:24.360 and she continued
00:25:27.080 to rip on him
00:25:27.900 just an additional
00:25:29.100 bit of color.
00:25:29.780 Chris Ruffo
00:25:30.420 points out that
00:25:31.800 she's a critical
00:25:32.420 race theorist
00:25:33.140 actually at
00:25:33.620 Carnegie Mellon
00:25:34.280 who believes
00:25:35.240 that, quote,
00:25:35.820 white women
00:25:36.360 consistently vote
00:25:37.240 to protect
00:25:37.700 white supremacy
00:25:38.440 and that white
00:25:39.380 mothers of
00:25:39.960 biracial children
00:25:40.960 have
00:25:42.260 mandingo
00:25:43.360 BBC
00:25:44.560 means big
00:25:45.620 black,
00:25:46.220 you know what,
00:25:46.860 fantasies of black
00:25:47.640 men
00:25:47.980 and regularly
00:25:49.240 call their own
00:25:50.220 children the
00:25:51.200 N-word.
00:25:52.200 Oh, really?
00:25:52.520 Okay, so this is
00:25:53.360 who's teaching
00:25:54.500 America's children.
00:25:55.400 That's the biggest
00:25:56.180 problem here.
00:25:57.040 But she represents
00:25:58.180 a fair amount
00:25:58.920 of folks on the
00:25:59.520 left, the far
00:26:00.940 left, who've
00:26:01.940 reacted this way.
00:26:03.560 Well, people need
00:26:04.400 to get real.
00:26:05.320 You know, we
00:26:07.020 live in a world
00:26:08.480 where essentially
00:26:09.600 many Western
00:26:11.140 nations no longer
00:26:12.200 think of themselves
00:26:13.140 as conventional
00:26:13.960 states.
00:26:15.060 But our enemies
00:26:16.240 do, China
00:26:17.400 and Russia
00:26:18.140 and Iran do.
00:26:19.380 They think in
00:26:20.160 conventionally
00:26:20.900 imperial terms
00:26:21.960 that strong
00:26:22.880 states dominate
00:26:24.000 weak states.
00:26:25.100 That's been a
00:26:25.700 fact of life
00:26:26.460 throughout history.
00:26:27.600 The fact is
00:26:28.260 the British
00:26:29.280 empire was
00:26:30.120 the most
00:26:30.500 benign
00:26:31.120 empire the
00:26:32.140 world has
00:26:32.980 ever known
00:26:33.680 which is
00:26:34.120 why almost
00:26:34.980 all its
00:26:36.100 colonies
00:26:37.020 are now
00:26:38.120 quite happy
00:26:39.020 to recognize
00:26:39.900 the queen
00:26:40.620 and now
00:26:41.180 the king
00:26:42.880 which I
00:26:43.660 can't quite
00:26:44.100 bring myself
00:26:45.300 to say
00:26:46.540 as head
00:26:47.800 of the
00:26:48.240 commonwealth.
00:26:48.880 They belong
00:26:49.680 to a modern
00:26:50.760 commonwealth
00:26:51.400 of nations
00:26:52.060 all these
00:26:52.760 supposedly
00:26:53.440 downtrodden
00:26:55.040 colonies
00:26:55.600 in which
00:26:56.040 according to
00:26:56.540 this idiot
00:26:57.160 the queen
00:26:58.860 inflicted
00:26:59.560 genocide on
00:27:00.400 them.
00:27:00.820 They're all
00:27:01.180 quite happy
00:27:02.040 to be photographed
00:27:02.800 alongside her
00:27:04.100 at the
00:27:05.460 commonwealth
00:27:05.900 conference
00:27:06.420 every two
00:27:07.120 years.
00:27:07.620 This was
00:27:08.360 the most
00:27:08.860 benign
00:27:09.920 empire in
00:27:10.880 history
00:27:11.440 which is
00:27:12.280 why it's
00:27:13.020 held together
00:27:13.760 as a
00:27:14.800 post-imperial
00:27:15.900 commonwealth
00:27:16.680 whose
00:27:17.760 high
00:27:18.560 commissioners
00:27:19.180 in London
00:27:19.820 on Saturday
00:27:21.440 morning
00:27:21.960 will be
00:27:22.880 partaking
00:27:23.840 of the
00:27:24.640 accession
00:27:25.400 council
00:27:25.880 and helping
00:27:26.760 proclaim
00:27:27.360 the new
00:27:28.280 sovereign.
00:27:28.980 So she's
00:27:29.400 talking
00:27:29.680 absolute
00:27:30.400 ahistorical
00:27:31.480 codswallop
00:27:32.400 and it's
00:27:33.420 the imposition
00:27:35.660 of her
00:27:36.540 own peculiar
00:27:37.260 obsessions
00:27:37.960 on an
00:27:39.200 institution
00:27:39.860 that in
00:27:40.580 fact was
00:27:41.120 one of the
00:27:41.500 first post-racial
00:27:43.040 institutions
00:27:43.800 in the
00:27:44.760 western world.
00:27:45.540 If you look
00:27:45.940 at any
00:27:46.280 picture
00:27:46.640 you can
00:27:47.340 pick a
00:27:47.900 picture
00:27:48.200 from
00:27:48.820 Buckingham
00:27:49.220 Palace
00:27:49.680 a couple
00:27:50.680 of years
00:27:51.280 back
00:27:51.880 of the
00:27:52.120 queen
00:27:52.400 with her
00:27:53.220 viceroys
00:27:54.300 from all
00:27:54.660 over the
00:27:54.980 commonwealth.
00:27:55.860 She's there
00:27:56.300 the little
00:27:56.680 white old
00:27:57.300 lady
00:27:57.680 surrounded
00:27:58.260 by black
00:27:59.100 and brown
00:28:00.000 and yellow
00:28:02.040 men and
00:28:03.340 she is
00:28:03.940 perfectly
00:28:04.320 happy with
00:28:05.280 them because
00:28:05.840 the monarchy
00:28:07.500 was one of
00:28:08.060 the first
00:28:08.500 truly post-racial
00:28:09.880 institutions
00:28:10.780 until Meghan
00:28:11.820 Markle came
00:28:12.560 along and
00:28:13.420 decided that
00:28:14.280 in fact
00:28:14.880 it's
00:28:16.860 basically
00:28:17.400 Bull
00:28:17.840 Connor
00:28:18.220 in whatever
00:28:19.500 it was
00:28:20.160 in the
00:28:20.700 1960s.
00:28:21.720 Until that
00:28:22.300 the queen
00:28:23.320 was recognized
00:28:24.700 as actually
00:28:25.360 having presided
00:28:26.200 over a
00:28:27.440 post-racial
00:28:28.360 transformation
00:28:28.980 in the
00:28:29.780 commonwealth.
00:28:30.340 there's
00:28:32.020 now going
00:28:32.280 to be a
00:28:32.540 10-day
00:28:32.920 period of
00:28:33.400 mourning
00:28:33.680 in the
00:28:34.240 UK
00:28:34.480 and no
00:28:35.500 parliamentary
00:28:35.900 business
00:28:36.380 will be
00:28:36.680 done
00:28:36.940 is my
00:28:37.520 understanding
00:28:37.960 so what
00:28:39.460 is this
00:28:40.060 what's next
00:28:40.740 for Britons
00:28:41.280 can they
00:28:41.720 get around
00:28:42.220 King Charles
00:28:43.280 what do you
00:28:44.680 think is
00:28:45.300 coming at us
00:28:45.900 in the next
00:28:46.320 10 days
00:28:46.860 and year
00:28:47.660 well we
00:28:49.280 don't have
00:28:50.240 in in the
00:28:51.080 Westminster
00:28:51.520 system we
00:28:52.160 don't have
00:28:52.700 that thing
00:28:53.160 which I
00:28:53.600 frankly think
00:28:54.540 is one of
00:28:54.980 the worst
00:28:55.480 elements of
00:28:56.600 the US
00:28:57.140 constitution
00:28:57.720 the so-called
00:28:58.520 three-month
00:28:59.620 peaceful
00:29:00.180 transition
00:29:00.920 of power
00:29:01.820 as you
00:29:02.300 call it
00:29:02.760 and it
00:29:03.320 was
00:29:03.640 it was
00:29:04.940 actually
00:29:05.300 shocking to
00:29:06.380 me
00:29:06.700 at 630
00:29:07.980 yesterday
00:29:09.180 evening
00:29:09.740 when Buckingham
00:29:10.780 Palace
00:29:11.100 announced
00:29:12.040 the queen
00:29:13.040 has died
00:29:13.780 peacefully
00:29:14.340 at Balmoral
00:29:15.540 the king
00:29:17.200 and the queen
00:29:17.880 consort
00:29:18.360 will remain
00:29:19.400 there this
00:29:19.960 evening
00:29:20.300 and leave
00:29:21.640 for London
00:29:22.120 in the morning
00:29:22.660 I thought
00:29:23.120 wait a minute
00:29:23.480 the king
00:29:24.260 and the queen
00:29:24.840 consort
00:29:25.260 yes
00:29:25.620 it all
00:29:26.340 takes place
00:29:27.120 in 15
00:29:28.260 seconds
00:29:28.860 and I
00:29:29.740 haven't heard
00:29:30.260 anybody
00:29:30.680 actually say
00:29:31.540 the king
00:29:32.320 to me
00:29:32.920 since I
00:29:33.440 was a little
00:29:33.960 boy
00:29:34.440 and occasionally
00:29:35.560 little old
00:29:36.220 ladies
00:29:36.660 recalling
00:29:37.440 some event
00:29:38.380 after the
00:29:39.480 war
00:29:39.800 would say
00:29:40.220 oh yeah
00:29:40.560 I remember
00:29:41.020 I think
00:29:41.320 it was in
00:29:41.680 1947
00:29:42.500 that the king
00:29:43.760 came to
00:29:44.220 my village
00:29:44.820 and so
00:29:45.180 I find
00:29:45.580 even just
00:29:46.200 you know
00:29:47.200 the king
00:29:48.040 his majesty
00:29:49.320 I find
00:29:49.820 the sort
00:29:50.160 of
00:29:50.540 overnight
00:29:51.560 change
00:29:52.300 in lingo
00:29:52.920 actually
00:29:53.860 very
00:29:54.380 unsettling
00:29:55.320 and it
00:29:56.360 fills me
00:29:57.020 with great
00:29:57.680 foreboding
00:29:58.520 I think
00:29:59.760 I think
00:30:00.720 the queen
00:30:01.380 held a lot
00:30:02.660 of things
00:30:03.100 together
00:30:03.620 with great
00:30:04.260 skill
00:30:04.780 and I'm
00:30:05.640 not entirely
00:30:06.540 sure
00:30:07.180 that her
00:30:08.480 son
00:30:08.880 is up
00:30:09.680 to it
00:30:10.020 but monarchy
00:30:10.680 the price
00:30:11.680 of monarchy
00:30:12.340 is that
00:30:13.520 you have
00:30:13.960 to weather
00:30:14.640 substandard
00:30:17.020 and low
00:30:17.920 grade monarchs
00:30:18.920 and get
00:30:19.440 through it
00:30:20.100 until the
00:30:21.080 next one
00:30:21.600 and you
00:30:21.920 hope you
00:30:22.360 have a
00:30:22.700 queen
00:30:22.900 victoria
00:30:23.560 you hope
00:30:24.200 you have
00:30:24.640 an elizabeth
00:30:25.220 the second
00:30:25.740 you hope
00:30:26.560 you have
00:30:27.040 a george
00:30:27.980 the fifth
00:30:28.480 and if
00:30:29.240 they're not
00:30:29.660 quite in
00:30:30.160 that league
00:30:30.840 you just
00:30:31.420 get by
00:30:32.300 with
00:30:33.000 with
00:30:33.540 with the
00:30:34.100 throw
00:30:34.480 of the
00:30:35.480 genetic
00:30:36.600 lottery
00:30:37.240 dice
00:30:37.780 and you
00:30:38.240 make the
00:30:38.580 best of it
00:30:39.260 certainly
00:30:40.280 wishing
00:30:41.000 king
00:30:41.400 charles
00:30:41.920 a long
00:30:42.840 and healthy
00:30:43.340 life
00:30:43.940 but i will
00:30:44.400 say that
00:30:44.880 the folks
00:30:45.360 who take
00:30:45.700 care of
00:30:46.060 the monarchs
00:30:46.620 and their
00:30:46.860 families
00:30:47.240 at buckingham
00:30:48.180 palace
00:30:48.440 seem to do
00:30:48.900 a great
00:30:49.200 job
00:30:49.640 the queen
00:30:50.600 mum
00:30:51.140 dying
00:30:51.800 at 101
00:30:52.420 prince philip
00:30:53.720 dying
00:30:54.060 at 99
00:30:54.740 prince
00:30:55.300 queen elizabeth
00:30:56.560 dying
00:30:56.980 at 96
00:30:57.920 pretty good
00:30:59.400 health care
00:30:59.900 inside the
00:31:00.600 palace
00:31:00.940 so thinking
00:31:02.160 he's going
00:31:02.580 to have
00:31:02.800 a long
00:31:03.080 and healthy
00:31:03.420 reign
00:31:03.760 i think
00:31:05.080 a lot
00:31:05.460 of people
00:31:05.880 in the
00:31:06.220 united
00:31:06.520 kingdom
00:31:06.940 will be
00:31:07.400 taking
00:31:07.700 that
00:31:07.980 as a
00:31:08.420 subtle
00:31:08.700 dig
00:31:09.040 at the
00:31:09.380 national
00:31:09.900 health
00:31:10.540 service
00:31:11.300 megan
00:31:11.740 which
00:31:12.460 has
00:31:13.260 completely
00:31:13.780 fallen
00:31:14.340 apart
00:31:14.980 during
00:31:15.460 the
00:31:15.700 covid
00:31:16.000 years
00:31:16.480 but
00:31:17.220 you
00:31:18.920 are
00:31:19.100 right
00:31:19.440 the
00:31:20.100 women
00:31:20.380 in the
00:31:20.860 house
00:31:21.080 of
00:31:21.240 windsor
00:31:21.660 have
00:31:21.980 generally
00:31:22.480 been
00:31:23.040 long
00:31:23.740 lived
00:31:24.120 and the
00:31:24.560 men
00:31:24.840 not so
00:31:25.620 much
00:31:25.980 and i
00:31:26.660 certainly
00:31:27.000 did hope
00:31:27.620 that the
00:31:28.060 queen
00:31:28.280 would
00:31:28.540 carry
00:31:29.100 on
00:31:29.500 and
00:31:29.960 i
00:31:30.640 want
00:31:31.140 to
00:31:31.240 say
00:31:31.520 one
00:31:31.780 the
00:31:32.260 queen
00:31:32.600 was
00:31:33.180 fantastically
00:31:34.120 funny
00:31:35.160 which i
00:31:35.840 always
00:31:36.120 loved
00:31:36.600 about
00:31:37.120 her
00:31:37.440 and
00:31:38.560 the
00:31:39.000 other
00:31:39.160 thing
00:31:39.360 that
00:31:39.500 people
00:31:39.740 don't
00:31:40.460 get
00:31:41.180 about
00:31:41.440 she
00:31:41.840 was
00:31:42.040 completely
00:31:44.780 fluent
00:31:45.460 in
00:31:45.820 french
00:31:46.240 but i
00:31:46.940 remember
00:31:47.240 being at
00:31:47.780 an event
00:31:48.200 a canadian
00:31:48.820 event
00:31:49.220 with her
00:31:49.820 and a
00:31:50.540 rather
00:31:51.480 surly
00:31:52.180 quebec
00:31:52.700 separatist
00:31:53.460 was presented
00:31:54.220 to her
00:31:54.780 and she
00:31:56.100 had a
00:31:56.460 very spirited
00:31:57.040 conversation
00:31:57.740 in french
00:31:58.600 with him
00:31:59.120 but what i
00:32:00.380 loved about
00:32:00.860 the way she
00:32:01.380 spoke french
00:32:02.080 was she
00:32:02.460 spoke
00:32:02.760 fluidly
00:32:03.380 but exactly
00:32:04.040 like the
00:32:04.660 queen
00:32:05.000 so she
00:32:05.480 would be
00:32:05.760 going
00:32:06.020 oh monsieur
00:32:07.120 they said
00:32:08.120 absolument
00:32:08.900 delisieux
00:32:10.160 and the guy
00:32:11.100 was completely
00:32:11.900 stunned by it
00:32:13.420 but he had to
00:32:15.280 admit that she
00:32:16.420 spoke fantastic
00:32:17.760 french
00:32:18.460 but just like you
00:32:19.680 would expect an
00:32:20.720 english monarch
00:32:21.660 to speak with that
00:32:23.040 cut glass accent
00:32:24.000 i i i i loved
00:32:25.900 listening to her
00:32:26.720 do that and it
00:32:27.760 absolutely threw
00:32:28.780 that guy
00:32:29.380 it seems to me
00:32:30.660 if the queen
00:32:31.260 wanted to win
00:32:32.060 you over
00:32:32.560 you would
00:32:33.200 be won
00:32:33.600 over
00:32:33.900 that is
00:32:34.300 why today
00:32:34.800 she's got
00:32:35.380 statements
00:32:35.780 coming out
00:32:36.260 from every
00:32:36.740 single uh
00:32:37.500 you know
00:32:38.060 obviously living
00:32:39.060 and former
00:32:39.780 u.s president
00:32:40.480 vladimir putin
00:32:41.540 came out with a
00:32:42.220 statement talking
00:32:42.800 about what a
00:32:43.400 loving person
00:32:43.940 she was i mean
00:32:44.440 it was just
00:32:44.920 the number of
00:32:46.060 people has been
00:32:46.960 absolutely stunning
00:32:47.800 mark stein
00:32:48.540 such a pleasure
00:32:49.160 to see you
00:32:49.700 and hear from
00:32:50.420 you today
00:32:50.720 thank you for
00:32:51.180 being here
00:32:51.660 thanks a lot
00:32:53.120 megan always a
00:32:53.860 pleasure
00:32:54.160 coming up next
00:32:55.420 our friend dan
00:32:56.360 wootton will be
00:32:56.960 here he's been
00:32:57.720 on the air
00:32:58.080 non-stop since
00:32:58.820 this happened
00:32:59.280 we'll ask him
00:32:59.880 for the very
00:33:00.680 latest on
00:33:01.160 what's happening
00:33:01.740 now streaming
00:33:02.960 on paramount
00:33:03.660 plus someone
00:33:05.360 is trying to
00:33:06.020 frame us
00:33:06.580 until our
00:33:07.840 names are
00:33:08.320 cleared
00:33:08.780 we're fugitives
00:33:10.460 from interval
00:33:11.000 like bonnie and
00:33:12.260 clyde with better
00:33:13.100 snacks espionage
00:33:15.420 you're still as
00:33:16.100 good a shot as
00:33:16.780 you used to be
00:33:17.600 better is their
00:33:19.800 love language we
00:33:20.960 like to walk that
00:33:21.640 fine line between
00:33:22.500 techno thriller
00:33:23.380 and romantic comedy
00:33:25.680 we make up our
00:33:26.840 own rules
00:33:27.460 ncis tony and
00:33:29.040 ziva now
00:33:29.940 streaming on
00:33:30.540 paramount plus
00:33:31.520 there have been
00:33:38.220 many remarkable
00:33:39.200 moments uh in
00:33:40.920 the past 24 hours
00:33:41.920 and of course in
00:33:42.920 the 96 years that
00:33:44.900 we were fortunate
00:33:45.460 enough to have
00:33:46.140 queen elizabeth on
00:33:47.640 this planet but
00:33:48.480 there was one
00:33:49.380 recent moment that
00:33:50.700 stood out to us
00:33:51.460 when the queen
00:33:52.340 celebrated her
00:33:53.060 jubilee this past
00:33:53.980 june she made a
00:33:55.400 surprise appearance
00:33:56.200 on the balcony
00:33:57.040 of buckingham
00:33:57.980 palace she hadn't
00:33:59.280 been feeling well
00:33:59.940 and many did not
00:34:00.580 think that they
00:34:01.100 would see her that
00:34:01.800 day instead she
00:34:03.980 came out with her
00:34:05.140 family and in a
00:34:06.520 touching moment the
00:34:07.460 crowd broke out
00:34:08.900 into god save the
00:34:10.440 queen marking one
00:34:12.400 of the last times
00:34:13.860 she would hear that
00:34:15.080 song sung to her
00:34:16.900 watch and listen
00:34:17.840 it's in stone for
00:34:23.340 today that they
00:34:23.400 have ap
00:34:25.640 meaning in stone
00:34:26.420 to us
00:34:27.520 survive and
00:34:27.880 unto the
00:34:28.760 the
00:34:29.440 Christmas
00:34:29.960 in stone
00:34:30.880 and the
00:34:31.140 yeah
00:34:32.280 the
00:34:32.760 not
00:34:33.640 the
00:34:34.600 heart
00:34:34.920 in stone
00:34:35.460 they
00:34:36.100 play in stone
00:34:36.440 in stone
00:34:36.640 games
00:34:38.920 after it
00:34:39.700 enticing
00:34:40.220 it's in stone
00:34:40.780 to us
00:34:41.300 to us
00:34:42.640 in1000
00:34:42.800 they
00:34:43.640 saw a
00:34:44.280 house
00:34:44.580 in grey
00:34:44.920 Oh, there she is in her bright green suit and matching hat, all smiles as the adoring
00:35:11.140 crowd, chokes up, claps, cheers, waves their British flags.
00:35:17.160 Wow.
00:35:17.480 And there she is waving back.
00:35:19.640 What a moment.
00:35:20.780 Here with me now, Dan Wooden.
00:35:22.700 He's host of GB News' Dan Wooden tonight and a Daily Mail columnist and has been all over
00:35:27.340 this news since it broke about this time yesterday.
00:35:30.440 Dan, you covered that.
00:35:32.560 You've been covering the royal family.
00:35:34.000 In fact, I was listening to a podcast about the royal family just the other day, and they
00:35:39.920 kept citing Dan Wooden.
00:35:41.140 Dan Wooden broke this.
00:35:42.040 Dan Wooden broke that.
00:35:42.780 I mean, you are the reporter for royal news.
00:35:46.620 And so what do you make of the past 24 hours, the headlines we've seen, and how the British
00:35:51.740 people are feeling right now?
00:35:53.300 It's been surreal, Megan, absolutely surreal.
00:35:56.080 Obviously, we knew that the Queen's health wasn't the best.
00:36:00.760 To be honest, I knew that it was far worse than what the palace was letting on.
00:36:06.680 But that's what you expect with the royal family.
00:36:09.040 And many times before, the Queen had bounced back.
00:36:13.220 She didn't bounce back this week.
00:36:14.820 At 96 years old, we lost her.
00:36:17.940 And I think the way that she managed to just two days before her death, Megan, pull herself
00:36:25.560 literally from her deathbed in order to farewell our last Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, and
00:36:33.320 allow Liz Truss, the new Prime Minister, obviously shares her name to take over.
00:36:38.080 And she did so with the usual dignity and grace and kindness that we expect from the Queen shows
00:36:44.820 that she was a woman all about duty until the very end.
00:36:51.140 She's so different to the sorts of public figures, the types of celebrities that we're used to
00:36:57.140 in this day and age.
00:36:58.420 There was a selflessness about the Queen.
00:37:01.960 She certainly represented the best of British.
00:37:04.540 For me, she was the final link to my grandparents' generation.
00:37:10.640 She lived through World War II.
00:37:12.800 She fought in the ATS, which was the same local army unit that my grandmother fought in during
00:37:19.500 World War II to defend the homeland against the Nazis.
00:37:23.080 And there is no other figure in the world who had so much connection to history.
00:37:32.720 I mean, this is a woman who goes to JFK at Buckingham Palace.
00:37:35.100 So look, we're struggling.
00:37:37.160 We're not going to lie about that.
00:37:38.840 The country is grieving.
00:37:40.920 There's a surreal feeling.
00:37:42.440 I was actually down outside Buckingham Palace last night, Megan, the moment that they lowered
00:37:47.920 the flag to half-mast, signifying that the Queen had died, and I have never heard central
00:37:55.500 London so silent.
00:37:57.140 It was airy.
00:37:58.220 You could hear a pin drop.
00:38:00.180 Perhaps the beautiful thing about it, though, Megan, is that the UK is very divided at the
00:38:04.180 moment.
00:38:04.680 There is obviously a big culture war going on.
00:38:07.260 There is a cost-of-living crisis.
00:38:09.900 Politics is divided.
00:38:11.660 Well, the Queen was our great unifier.
00:38:14.320 And I really sensed that last night.
00:38:16.320 All of the people who I was speaking to, many in tears, were speaking to strangers, comforting
00:38:21.800 each other, and they spanned the class divide.
00:38:25.480 They spanned age divisions from all ethnic groups.
00:38:29.360 And that's what the Queen did.
00:38:31.660 And now we obviously look to King Charles III to see if he can have the same impact.
00:38:38.300 Is it even possible if he continues pushing his green energy programs?
00:38:43.920 These are controversial matters.
00:38:45.380 Like, global warming isn't, per se, but how to remedy it is very divisive.
00:38:51.360 And it's almost like COVID, where one side's saying, follow the science, and the other side
00:38:56.160 saying, your science is a little sketchy.
00:38:58.440 Seems extraordinary to me that somebody in Prince Charles, now King Charles' position, would
00:39:03.800 weigh in on this.
00:39:04.660 And he's done more than weigh in, Megan.
00:39:09.400 I mean, King Charles views himself as a Greta Thunberg-style activist.
00:39:15.780 And look, that might be okay.
00:39:17.840 Personally, I disagree with the politics of it.
00:39:19.960 I think the UK is on a deranged march to net zero.
00:39:23.260 And the massive energy crisis that we're facing is because of that.
00:39:28.040 And because we have tried to move away from fossil fuels far too quickly, as Elon Musk even
00:39:32.820 admitted last week, we need time.
00:39:36.060 Folk like Prince Charles don't, or King Charles now, don't want us to have that time.
00:39:40.760 So that's the politics.
00:39:42.080 I think where Britain stand at this moment, though, Megan, I remember this is a country
00:39:47.600 that now goes into an official 12-day mourning period, is that we're prepared to give King
00:39:54.080 Charles III a chance.
00:39:55.920 I certainly am.
00:39:57.420 And he made a pitch-perfect debut, Megan, in the past couple of hours as he arrived at
00:40:02.700 Buckingham Palace for the first time since becoming king, the first time since his mother's
00:40:06.520 death, he left his car and he went and he met the grieving public.
00:40:15.100 And he was kissed by them and he was hugged by them.
00:40:18.880 And it suggested that he is going to be a different type of monarch.
00:40:24.340 He's going to be more accessible.
00:40:26.700 He's not the queen.
00:40:28.100 We know that.
00:40:29.200 He doesn't have the aura of the queen.
00:40:31.240 But what he might have is a more personal touch.
00:40:35.000 And it was really interesting, Megan, because you never know what happens in these sorts
00:40:38.000 of situations.
00:40:38.700 Do you remember when Harry and Megan turned up at the Platinum Jubilee earlier this year?
00:40:42.800 They were booed outside St. Paul's Cathedral.
00:40:45.560 So you never know what is going to happen.
00:40:47.900 The crowd were behind King Charles today.
00:40:51.720 They were singing, God save the king.
00:40:54.740 They were cheering.
00:40:56.460 They were crying.
00:40:58.180 So look, so far, and we're just about an hour away from his first address to the nation,
00:41:04.800 which is going to be highly significant, to see what sort of tone he sets.
00:41:10.760 For me, I hope he sets a non-political tone.
00:41:15.220 I hope he signals that he will be moving away from these controversial left-wing eco-issues.
00:41:22.620 And I hope he will follow the example set by his mother.
00:41:26.180 It's early days though, Megan.
00:41:27.420 He said 73 years to watch the goat, the goat of royals, show him how it's done.
00:41:34.200 So hopefully he was paying attention and we'll have a different tone now that he's king than
00:41:38.260 he did when he was just prince.
00:41:40.900 Their titles have changed.
00:41:42.280 Can you just give us one second on how everybody's titles have changed now, Dan?
00:41:45.620 Megan Markle finally got her wish.
00:41:47.460 Her two kids are finally able to be called princes and princesses.
00:41:51.000 So I'm sure she's thrilled.
00:41:52.980 Which she claimed, by the way, remember, Megan, she told Oprah that there was some big conspiracy
00:41:57.700 to stop it happening.
00:41:58.920 Oh, no, you just had to wait for the queen to die, which, of course, none of us wanted.
00:42:04.240 Although Megan didn't seem to care too much about the health of Prince Philip, did she?
00:42:08.220 Given she gave that interview when he was on his deathbed.
00:42:10.760 But no, so there are changes.
00:42:12.720 Camilla is now queen.
00:42:14.960 Queen Camilla.
00:42:15.840 She automatically takes on that title, even though officially she is the queen consort
00:42:21.720 in a similar way to the previous queen mother.
00:42:25.780 However, that is an interesting moment, Megan, because you've got to remember there remains
00:42:29.780 a significant portion of the British public who are opposed to Camilla because a lot of
00:42:35.380 us haven't forgotten the way that she treated Princess Diana.
00:42:38.700 However, she has turned things around in the eyes of the establishment.
00:42:42.460 She was very much supported by the queen.
00:42:45.200 Prince Charles, when he married Camilla, said she wouldn't become queen consort, but that
00:42:50.240 would have required new laws to go through Parliament.
00:42:53.400 So Camilla is queen.
00:42:55.220 That is official.
00:42:56.880 And now Prince William and Kate take on the previous title of Prince Charles.
00:43:02.860 So they are now the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge.
00:43:08.180 So that is a minor change.
00:43:09.360 Plus, you see Archie and Lilibet officially, as you say, become a prince and a princess.
00:43:15.540 Time will tell if Prince Edward inherits the former title of the queen's husband, the Duke
00:43:22.660 of Edinburgh.
00:43:23.360 That has been something where there's been quite a lot of consternation.
00:43:26.400 So there are changes, but nothing too significant to the rest of the titles.
00:43:31.740 Of course, what Prince Charles wants is he wants a streamlined monarchy.
00:43:35.400 He wants people, to be honest, Meghan, to forget about Prince Edward and forget about Prince
00:43:39.960 Andrew and forget about Prince Harry and Meghan too.
00:43:43.020 He wants everyone focused on himself, Camilla, Prince William, Kate, and their three children.
00:43:49.840 You got to have Prince William thinking, Dad, you know, you're getting your exercise.
00:43:53.780 You're eating well.
00:43:55.120 Like, let's make it.
00:43:55.900 I'm sure he's in no rush to take over that job.
00:43:58.800 It's a very, very big shoes to fill.
00:44:00.520 You know, straight up and down.
00:44:02.580 Now, you have a piece out today in the Daily Mail talking about some drama yesterday, speaking
00:44:09.280 of Meghan and Harry.
00:44:10.420 So he did not make it to Balmoral.
00:44:13.020 They were over there to promote themselves, of course, in their fake royal tour, which they
00:44:17.420 made to look exactly like the tour they would take if they were royals, only it wasn't.
00:44:20.880 And they were flying private jets while lecturing the rest of us, again, about green energy.
00:44:24.380 So it just so happened that they were in London when the Queen fell ill.
00:44:30.560 So what happened yesterday?
00:44:31.840 What was the drama on that front?
00:44:35.080 Well, this has actually been a really shocking development, Meghan, because earlier in the
00:44:38.440 week, Meghan's mouthpiece, he's this odd little bloke.
00:44:42.540 You've probably heard of him, Omid Scobie.
00:44:44.980 He says that he's a journalist, but essentially he operates as a PR for Meghan Markle.
00:44:49.820 And he wrote a very incendiary column saying, forget this idea that it is the royal family
00:44:59.020 who have rejected seeing Harry and Meghan.
00:45:02.300 Harry and Meghan have no desire to see any member of the royal family because they think
00:45:07.020 the way that Prince William treated them during their time in Britain was unforgivable.
00:45:11.420 So while the Queen is on her deathbed, that's the propaganda being pumped out by Harry and
00:45:17.940 Meghan.
00:45:18.080 Then, of course, the entire blood relatives of the Queen, or at least the close blood relatives
00:45:24.220 of the Queen, her children and Prince William and Harry were all expected to gather at Balmoral
00:45:28.800 as the Queen died.
00:45:31.600 Kate was going to stay in London.
00:45:35.100 The blood relatives were going to be there.
00:45:38.180 Then Harry and Meghan pump out via yet again their favourite media channels, including this
00:45:44.820 weird guy, Scobie, the statement that Prince Harry and Meghan were going to travel to Balmoral.
00:45:52.520 Of course, that caused great consternation.
00:45:55.160 There is huge business about the claims that Meghan has made about the royal family being
00:46:00.640 racist.
00:46:01.840 So lots of behind the scenes manoeuvring went on.
00:46:04.880 Eventually, this weird little guy, Scobie, came out and said, no, no, no, no, it's just
00:46:08.800 Prince Harry who's going.
00:46:10.340 But what Prince Harry didn't do is get on the chartered RAF flight being taken by Prince
00:46:17.160 Andrew, Prince Edward, Prince William and Sophie.
00:46:20.100 He decided to get his own private jet because he couldn't bear to be in the same plane as his
00:46:26.880 family, Meghan, even as their grandmother lay on her deathbed.
00:46:31.740 So he got his own private jet, but it actually arrived in Scotland after the Queen had died
00:46:38.000 and after the announcement of her death had been made.
00:46:42.260 Then he leaves less than 12 hours later.
00:46:46.880 He's the first to leave Balmoral this morning, gets immediately on a commercial flight back to
00:46:52.020 be with his Meghan in Windsor.
00:46:55.760 So look, obviously, and this is what I've written my column about today, I hope and I
00:46:59.960 pray, Meghan, because this country needs unity at the moment.
00:47:03.500 We are a country in mourning.
00:47:05.240 The death of the Queen is the biggest thing emotionally as a collective we've had to go
00:47:09.540 through since the tragic death of Princess Diana in 1997.
00:47:13.120 So I hope and I pray within those 12 hours at Balmoral, Prince Harry realised, you know what?
00:47:18.340 The one thing that the Queen would have wanted on her deathbed is for me to reunite with my family and to support my father and my brother.
00:47:31.220 But of course, this is Prince Harry.
00:47:33.620 He's influenced by Meghan.
00:47:35.040 He's scarpered after 12 hours.
00:47:36.540 Do you really think we can have that hope, Meghan?
00:47:39.140 And I hope and I pray that he does the decent thing and he supports his father.
00:47:44.480 But you know what?
00:47:45.140 That would involve having to pulp his autobiography, which is coming up and is expected to slam the royal family.
00:47:52.300 If he's a decent guy, that's what he will do.
00:47:55.420 I hope and I pray that's what he does.
00:47:58.220 But I'm not holding out much hope, to put it that way.
00:48:01.560 Yeah, because you have the biography coming out, but you also have his Netflix special.
00:48:05.060 So I'm sure he's torn.
00:48:06.260 I'm sure he's torn because he'd love to get more footage of William and the family into his Netflix special.
00:48:12.340 So it'll actually happen since so far it's said to be rather boring and Netflix is unsatisfied with what they're giving them.
00:48:18.160 But if you go ahead and trash him in the book, you're not going to get access to him for Netflix.
00:48:21.580 They have a real they're in a real pickle, Dan.
00:48:23.520 They're in a real.
00:48:24.740 Listen, as I said to you last night, my thoughts are with you.
00:48:27.460 They're they're with your countrymen.
00:48:30.140 We're thinking about you guys today and will be over the next couple of weeks.
00:48:33.240 All the best to you and great job on your great reporting.
00:48:37.140 Thank you so much, Megan.
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00:49:48.680 She's a very popular British commentator who often appears on Dan Wooden's show, along with the BBC, Sky News and many others.
00:49:54.920 She is also very outspoken.
00:49:57.480 Just the kind of person I like.
00:49:59.300 This is her latest tweet.
00:50:00.400 Quote, if you celebrate the death of an elderly woman in the name of anti-racism, you're not compassionate or kind.
00:50:06.440 You're a vicious hypocrite lacking in any emotional intelligence.
00:50:10.740 Dominique, welcome to the show.
00:50:12.580 Thank you for having me.
00:50:13.540 I really appreciate it.
00:50:14.620 So excited to be with you.
00:50:16.280 Oh, thank you.
00:50:17.280 I've been dying to get your take because, you know, I was on with Dan last night on GB News.
00:50:22.260 And I was saying why I felt so personally sad about the loss of the queen.
00:50:29.220 And yes, it has to do with she's a bridge to history and a time in both Great Britain and America where our countries were stronger and had so much to be proud of.
00:50:37.440 And, you know, we fought for the good guys and defeated fascism and so on.
00:50:40.960 But as a woman, I related to what Paris Hilton said about about Queen Elizabeth, which was she called her the original girl boss.
00:50:49.920 I saw that.
00:50:51.360 That's really true.
00:50:52.920 You know, in America, we don't have we've never had a female president.
00:50:56.840 Obviously, we don't have a queen.
00:50:58.160 We don't have a female leader who's universally respected by both sides.
00:51:01.480 It's very partisan over here.
00:51:02.820 So this is a woman who was without question an international leader and respected by both sides in Great Britain, who was pretty much universally beloved.
00:51:12.000 Maybe 15 percent of the world objects to Queen Elizabeth.
00:51:14.660 And that's fine.
00:51:15.240 But compared to most leaders, universal.
00:51:19.600 And I look around at the women around us today who we hold up as role models, Dominique, and I'm deeply alarmed.
00:51:27.100 I'm disgusted.
00:51:28.440 I'm concerned for my children.
00:51:32.440 And I see nothing like her dignity, her class, her.
00:51:39.360 I don't know.
00:51:40.160 There was a serenity about her in her womanhood, in her appearance, in the way she put herself out there.
00:51:46.800 And I think about I'm sorry to keep ripping on Kim Kardashian because I don't think she's a bad person, but I do strongly object to what she's done to our culture.
00:51:55.640 I really do.
00:51:56.340 I think she's been a force for evil.
00:51:57.700 Well, more so than a force for good.
00:51:59.540 And I understand she got Alice Marie Johnson out of prison and all that.
00:52:02.160 And I love Alice Marie Johnson.
00:52:03.520 And Kim did a good thing there.
00:52:05.080 But this is Kim being celebrated in Interview Magazine a week ago.
00:52:09.720 This is her version of the American dream.
00:52:12.040 She dropped her pants and she's got her naked bottom sticking out there with a far too photoshopped face.
00:52:18.520 Given the chance to celebrate the American dream, this is what Kim Kardashian chose to do.
00:52:23.300 I think it's disgusting.
00:52:24.340 I think it's disgusting the same way I thought it was disgusting when JLo decided to show her vag at the Super Bowl as my then six year old was watching and Shakira, too.
00:52:33.640 Right.
00:52:33.800 Like the way I can't stand, you know, Megan Thee Stallion and Cardi B talking about their wet ass P words and celebrating, you know, how what kind of sex they can give a man based on the amount of lubrication.
00:52:46.060 I just our culture is going steadily downward.
00:52:50.620 And instead of celebrating people who have the dignity and the class and the reserve of Queen Elizabeth, we celebrate this now like it's something to aspire to.
00:53:01.560 And it's not your thoughts.
00:53:04.080 You know, it's so funny that you mentioned that because I actually wrote a piece for the Daily Mail newspaper touching upon this exact topic about the role models that we have today, especially for young women.
00:53:19.920 These role models are heavily sexualized.
00:53:23.780 Their bodies are augmented a lot of the time.
00:53:27.460 For example, in Kim Kardashian's case, their bodies are augmented and then they deny ever having surgery.
00:53:32.900 So you're presenting this unrealistic idea of what a woman looks like to young women and sort of warping what they aspire to be.
00:53:42.820 Nowadays, it's not really about the sort of service, the duty, the class, the elegance that the Queen embodied.
00:53:50.860 Nowadays, it's about being overtly sexual, narcissistic.
00:53:56.380 I'm an independent woman.
00:53:57.540 I don't need no man, I don't need no man, whilst at the same time basing a woman's value on what she can provide sexually to men.
00:54:05.840 And when we think about how women and men view each other nowadays, is it any wonder that a lot of men view women as a piece of meat?
00:54:13.880 When we women espouse these views, when we're singing along to songs such as WAP, when we're idolizing women such as Kim Kardashian, who, you know, they don't even know who, Kim Kardashian doesn't even know who she is, let alone what makes, you know, a woman.
00:54:30.520 So I agree with you. I think that what the Queen represented is long gone in today's society.
00:54:36.560 And I think we should bring some of that back.
00:54:38.740 And maybe one good thing will come out of her death.
00:54:42.620 And that's reminding women all around the world what a true, dutiful and classy lady looked like.
00:54:49.880 Yes. And I don't want to sound like a prude because I understand part of being a woman and a beautiful woman, and that could be every single woman, depending on what's in her heart, is our sex appeal.
00:55:04.460 I get that. And I don't mind the celebration of it. I really don't, even among powerful women.
00:55:10.420 However, this is something different. WAP is something very different.
00:55:14.460 That is not the celebration of one's sexuality in a way that's inspiring or empowering.
00:55:18.560 It's just disgusting. It's just crass. It's crude. And it's lowbrow. Right.
00:55:23.960 And Miley Cyrus, I same like on the wrecking ball, like, OK, she never misses an opportunity to show every part of her body.
00:55:30.740 Like there's no screening of genitalia. It's just it's too much.
00:55:34.540 To me, I find it debasing. It's there's something.
00:55:39.700 Yeah, just debasing about it, where I feel like they're they're subjugating themselves to something and they shouldn't be.
00:55:47.180 But so it's not all about the sexuality, the thing that I'm objecting to.
00:55:51.320 It's it's about, yeah, class and the understanding that there's a different way forward, right, that you could represent womankind in a way that's really empowering and smart and elegant and forceful.
00:56:06.600 And you don't always have to go to this place of just showing your vagina at the Super Bowl show.
00:56:13.240 Right. Like what if you just drove around the Saudi leader in your Jeep at Balmoral and refused to slow down because the guy had never ridden in a Jeep with a woman driving because the Saudis didn't let women drive then.
00:56:25.060 And instead of slowing down, you accelerated. Right.
00:56:27.160 Like Queen Elizabeth. I just feel like women are throwing darts at the board right now, trying to matter and they're going about it all the wrong way.
00:56:34.020 I think it's because we're in a crisis culturally at the moment.
00:56:38.560 Men and women are being told that they don't need each other when, you know, in my personal opinion, biologically, men and women do need each other.
00:56:46.980 We're intended to complement each other. And because women are told that, you know, they shouldn't want to look nice for a man, they shouldn't want to be appealing to a man.
00:56:57.560 But at the same time, they should aspire to sort of participate in hookup culture like men do, despite the fact that, you know, women are very, very different creatures.
00:57:07.700 We cannot, you know, sleep around the same way men can without getting emotionally attached.
00:57:13.220 We're told that we sort of need to stay away from each other and swap roles in this really bizarre way.
00:57:19.820 And the reason why I think this is damaging is because it's led to a culture where we worship these celebrities that put all of their value on their looks.
00:57:30.400 And look, I agree with you. There's nothing wrong with, you know, wanting to be attractive.
00:57:36.040 All women, whether they admit this or not, I mean, let's just be truthful here.
00:57:40.660 All women do aspire to be attractive to men, whether that be attractive to your husband, attractive to a love interest, attractive to your boyfriend.
00:57:49.780 But there's a difference between being quietly sexy, quietly attractive and just hanging it all out on display in this really crass way.
00:58:00.180 Yeah. And being desperate and looking desperate and setting a desperate example for other young girls.
00:58:06.360 And the thing that Queen Elizabeth lacked that these women, I mean, Kardashian more than any of them probably have in abundance is vanity.
00:58:15.740 I feel like that photo of, you know, whether it's Kardashian with the Marilyn Monroe dress, you know, why did she need to touch that dress that was so revered and ruin it?
00:58:25.660 Right. It's her vanity. It's why. Why do I need to see naked pictures of her all the time on the Internet?
00:58:31.580 It's her vanity. Why, when she's already a billionaire three times over, does she feel the need to show us her ass when asked about the American dream?
00:58:39.840 It's her vanity. And you like Queen Elizabeth was the opposite of that.
00:58:45.580 Yes, she always had a nice, sweet, coordinated outfit.
00:58:48.640 She always had her makeup together. But here was an example of a woman who projected strength, steadiness through the storm, a classier way, elegance, manners.
00:58:59.580 I mean, truly, the juxtaposition could not be more severe.
00:59:04.260 Oh, I completely agree. And I think what's lacking with that is, you know, the Queen was was very self-assured.
00:59:10.760 She knew what her purpose was on this earth, and that was to serve her people and to serve the Commonwealth.
00:59:19.500 So therefore, all of the sort of worldly things that we worship now in the modern day, she was above all of that.
00:59:27.200 And that's why she is loved and will always be loved all over the world.
00:59:32.680 And with celebrities like Kim Kardashian, the reason why they're indeed so dangerous is because they may appear outwardly confident,
00:59:41.480 you know, showing their behind for magazines, parading their vagina for underage people that are watching the Super Bowl to see.
00:59:51.460 But inside, these people are extremely insecure.
00:59:54.680 They likely don't really have an identity.
00:59:58.620 And so they project that.
01:00:00.520 And the media allows them to do this.
01:00:02.280 They allow these people to create this unrealistic fairy world that doesn't actually exist for young girls.
01:00:10.020 And then these young girls are trying to aspire to it, aspire to this, never really quite fitting the bill.
01:00:15.480 And that's why in this day and age, we have so many young girls getting surgery, filling up their lips, doing things like OnlyFans,
01:00:24.740 because our culture has told them is that's what they should aspire to, rather than searching for a higher purpose on this earth like the Queen did.
01:00:33.280 And it's really sad.
01:00:34.900 Yes, it's almost evil.
01:00:36.660 It's almost evil to put that out there for all these young girls to follow and then just sort of shoulder shrugged and said, like, who me?
01:00:43.660 What do you mean?
01:00:44.140 I just like selfies.
01:00:45.460 You know, I'm just a brilliant marketer, which is what she told Interview Magazine.
01:00:49.800 And then, you know, doing something great.
01:00:51.540 If she really cared about that, sorry, she wouldn't Photoshop her pictures.
01:00:56.680 She wouldn't lie about the surgery that she's had.
01:00:59.580 Everyone knows that Kimmy's had surgery, for example.
01:01:01.900 And I'm sorry to pinpoint her, but seeing as we're talking about her, if she really was just a marketer.
01:01:06.820 Well, I mean, she's the best known.
01:01:07.840 Yeah.
01:01:08.440 If she really was all about that, she wouldn't lie.
01:01:10.180 And I understand, like, OK, now she's gotten her law degree while she's trying.
01:01:14.460 I don't know.
01:01:14.780 She's she passed.
01:01:15.700 She failed the bar multiple times and then passed what's called something like the baby
01:01:18.720 bar in an event.
01:01:19.580 As a lawyer, I never heard of this thing.
01:01:21.600 But she she does that.
01:01:23.820 She helps get Alice out of jail.
01:01:25.560 She worked with Van Jones on getting the crime reform bill passed, which has turned out to
01:01:31.240 have a lot of problems, FYI.
01:01:32.400 But anyway, so she's trying to put goodness out into the world here, there and elsewhere.
01:01:37.060 But my point is, it doesn't absolve her because she's caused more damage with the youth of not
01:01:45.000 just America.
01:01:45.540 She's got over 100 million followers on Instagram and so on.
01:01:48.580 That family has caused more damage with the youth of my country and yours than 2000 Alice
01:01:56.500 Marie Johnson's could make up for.
01:01:58.180 You're ruining way more lives and body images than you are saving.
01:02:03.900 And I really think if she wants to do some good in this world, she should stop launching
01:02:07.480 gazillion dollar.
01:02:10.420 What is it?
01:02:11.240 A hedge fund or a venture private equity fund.
01:02:14.940 And she should reflect on how she can undo what she's done and be more like Queen Elizabeth,
01:02:20.600 who is an example for us all.
01:02:22.320 Let me let me turn the page and talk about the fallout, the crazies who are commenting
01:02:28.360 on the Queen's death in a way that's beyond provocative.
01:02:32.080 It's just downright offensive.
01:02:33.680 We talked about this Carnegie Mellon professor here with Mark Stein.
01:02:37.720 Now there's a guy across the pond, where are you all, named Trevor Sinclair.
01:02:43.560 Now this guy's getting he's a he's a former footballer, soccer player to us, who and he's
01:02:49.500 also, I guess, a sports host on television, and he decided to comment, quote, on Twitter,
01:02:56.740 racism was outlawed in England in the 60s and it's been allowed to thrive.
01:03:02.100 So why should black and brown mourn?
01:03:05.380 Meaning Queen Elizabeth.
01:03:06.860 What do you make of this?
01:03:07.660 Oh, it's not only nonsense, but it's just absolutely disgusting.
01:03:13.680 And this is the trend that we've seen upon the announcement of Queen Elizabeth's death.
01:03:19.420 All of these people that profess to be compassionate, kind, a lot of the time anti-racists, they've
01:03:25.700 exposed themselves to be very vicious and very cold hearted.
01:03:30.300 For you to celebrate the death or to say that people shouldn't be sad over the death of another
01:03:36.460 human being doesn't make you compassionate or kind or woke.
01:03:40.240 It makes you very emotionally unintelligent.
01:03:43.680 And this idea that Queen Elizabeth herself is responsible for all of the things that happened
01:03:49.880 under the empire is ridiculous.
01:03:51.620 When she spent her life, dedicated her life to what is now known as the Commonwealth, and
01:03:59.640 dedicated her life, her time to thousands of charities, she was a good person.
01:04:04.560 I genuinely do believe that.
01:04:06.480 So to attribute Queen Elizabeth II as an individual to these atrocities and to the black and brown
01:04:13.020 just demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to history.
01:04:17.260 And look, I am, you know, I'm of mixed race heritage.
01:04:21.820 My mum is mixed race.
01:04:23.460 And she loves the Queen.
01:04:25.700 On Christmas Day, we look forward to the Queen's Christmas message.
01:04:30.300 On the Queen's Jubilee, my mum was excited about it.
01:04:33.000 I celebrated it.
01:04:34.440 To sort of whittle it down to black and brown people should not feel like this, I think is
01:04:38.620 completely ridiculous.
01:04:39.740 Because it also discounts all of the mixed race people in this country that genuinely do
01:04:45.160 feel a part of the fabric of this country, whether it be ethnically or culturally, and
01:04:50.140 I have every right to feel emotionally affected by the death of our Queen.
01:04:55.180 That's the thing is, it's like you spend any time at all in Great Britain.
01:04:58.580 And you tell me, but I feel like race relations in Great Britain are a lot stronger than they
01:05:05.340 are currently in our country.
01:05:06.620 And I realize you're going through wokeism too.
01:05:08.340 But obviously, there's not the quote unquote, original sin of slavery in within your country,
01:05:15.060 though, that there's that in the British Empire's history.
01:05:19.400 But this notion that the country is based on slavery, because that's what we've heard
01:05:24.420 in the in the wake of the Queen's death, it's based on slavery, it's based on based on
01:05:28.480 exploitation, colonialism.
01:05:30.320 It just seems like nonsense.
01:05:32.000 It is nonsense.
01:05:34.580 And look, okay, I'm very much aware, we're all aware of the transatlantic slave trade,
01:05:41.620 we're all aware of that.
01:05:42.620 But Britain was not the first country in the world to come up with slavery.
01:05:47.880 Okay, Arab nations were enslaving African people way before and way after the big bad white
01:05:57.500 people started doing it.
01:05:58.980 And that's not to justify any of those things.
01:06:01.180 But it's to say that slavery is it's not what started Britain, it's not what started
01:06:08.640 the monarchy, it there was a whole load of sort of steps that were taken that began the
01:06:14.740 transatlantic slave trade.
01:06:16.040 And one of the first things to that was simply exploration to try and find more resources,
01:06:22.360 for example, because particularly under Henry Tudor, there was a worry about running out
01:06:28.380 of resources in Tudor England.
01:06:30.920 So that's where the exploration started.
01:06:33.240 And I think if people actually examined history, they wouldn't see it in such a black and white
01:06:38.140 way.
01:06:39.040 And it's disappointing.
01:06:40.260 And it's sad.
01:06:40.700 But sadly, you know, woke culture that's rife within our institutions, it's not just in
01:06:46.140 America, it's in the UK too.
01:06:48.260 And it's getting worse and worse.
01:06:50.080 They're indoctrinating our children and effectively teaching them to hate this country and to hate
01:06:54.460 everything it stands for.
01:06:56.260 And it's disgusting.
01:06:58.460 I think about the Queen and her brush back to Meghan Markle and her claims on Oprah about
01:07:03.520 that there's some raging racist within the royal family wondering, worrying about how dark
01:07:08.480 Meghan and Harry's child was going to be.
01:07:10.460 And the Queen, you know, just classically says, recollections may vary, right?
01:07:16.800 Like, again, less is more.
01:07:19.280 She could have unleashed on her.
01:07:20.400 She has all the power of the royal family behind her.
01:07:22.880 She didn't need to.
01:07:23.760 Just recollections may vary.
01:07:25.800 And telling us all in the process, this is a lie.
01:07:29.140 I mean, that's really what she was telling us, that this isn't true and it's not to be
01:07:32.120 believed.
01:07:32.380 And I think, you know, in response to these, you know, folks like Trevor and this Carnegie
01:07:38.060 Mellon professor, recollections may vary.
01:07:41.880 Dominique, what a pleasure.
01:07:43.580 Thank you so much for having me.
01:07:45.180 Yeah, we'll have you back, I hope.
01:07:46.420 It's been great meeting you.
01:07:48.260 Coming up next, Charles C.W.
01:07:50.580 Cook.
01:07:51.180 He's got thoughts on all of this and we've saved perhaps the most incendiary criticism
01:07:55.460 of the Queen for Charles.
01:07:57.860 We'll get to this New York magazine writer in one minute.
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01:08:30.540 As we remember the life and legacy of Queen Elizabeth, we also remember the special bond
01:08:38.780 between our two nations and how she supported us, she, and not just our country, during one
01:08:44.780 of the darkest times in our history.
01:08:46.900 The date was September 13th, 2001, two days after the 9-11 attacks.
01:08:51.640 The Queen broke with a 600-year-old tradition during the changing of the guard at Buckingham
01:08:58.740 Palace to pay tribute to the lives lost here and to give comfort to our grieving nation.
01:09:04.880 As thousands of people gathered by the palace gates, the Queen directed the guards, for the
01:09:11.500 first time in their history, to play our national anthem.
01:09:15.980 It was an unbelievable moment we wanted to share with you.
01:09:19.720 At the request of the Queen, the Coldstream Guards Band played the Star Spangled Banner.
01:09:25.720 Let's listen.
01:09:26.260 ...
01:09:36.060 ...
01:09:38.260 ...
01:09:42.200 ...
01:09:42.700 Oh, my God.
01:10:12.700 Oh, my God.
01:10:42.700 And the Queen did not have to do that. It was an extraordinary gesture. She then went on to actually reportedly sing the national anthem at a memorial service that happened later that day, which has apparently never been done before. The monarch doesn't sing, but several reporters said she did that day. What are you thinking about today?
01:11:34.520 It took place fairly close to where I grew up. And it really was the most extraordinary moment. And I think in some ways, made it clear just what a momentous event we just lived through.
01:11:48.740 And a great gesture between two countries that really are and should be about as close as possible.
01:11:56.740 As possible. And it's sort of funny you bring up September 11th, because although they were, of course, extraordinarily different in nature, the last time I can remember this blanket coverage in the news was September 11th.
01:12:12.680 I mean, for example, this morning, I locked on to Apple's website to order a new iPhone.
01:12:17.220 And the front page of Apple's website is completely taken up with a photograph of Queen Elizabeth II.
01:12:26.220 The BBC website has an enormous photograph at the top that takes up most of the page.
01:12:33.580 CNN has nothing that isn't related to Queen Elizabeth until you scroll down below the fold.
01:12:40.540 Every British newspaper, the whole of the front page is taken up.
01:12:45.520 Most American newspapers. It's been a massive international event.
01:12:51.500 And I must say more so than I would have imagined two days ago.
01:12:56.220 Hmm. There's so many reasons for it. But I do think personally, one of the reasons is you think about the Great Britain of when Queen Elizabeth became queen and our own country, America.
01:13:09.200 And I know you're an American citizen now. Back then, too, it was and you can only say this kind of thing with the benefit of some 70 plus years.
01:13:17.240 But so far, it was the heyday of America in many ways.
01:13:21.980 We were just coming off of World War Two. We had worked together to defeat fascism, the Nazis, and we were the good guys.
01:13:29.320 That was a war we actually won. And it was the best war to have fought.
01:13:35.060 You know, it was worth sending blood and treasure in to fight.
01:13:38.080 And we did it nobly and Winston Churchill and every figure that emerges on our side becomes a hero.
01:13:44.480 And she was there for it. I mean, she was a child. She was a teenager.
01:13:48.420 But it wouldn't be long after that that she would become queen.
01:13:51.520 And so I don't know. It reminds me of a time in our country's history and that of Great Britain where we were stronger.
01:13:58.540 We were more united. We were coming off a win.
01:14:01.220 Yeah, well, let's think about the changes in the world that she saw in her lifetime.
01:14:11.520 And we talk about her 70 year reign for her lifetime.
01:14:16.160 She met Winston Churchill when she was two and a half years old.
01:14:21.660 And he commented at the time on her air of authority.
01:14:26.160 At that point, she was not destined to be queen.
01:14:29.180 She was within the royal family, but her uncle was headed for Buckingham Palace.
01:14:38.240 And it was only because he abdicated and then her own father died young that she became queen in the first instance.
01:14:48.000 Think about the changes in the world.
01:14:51.300 She lived through World War II.
01:14:53.120 She lived through the Depression.
01:14:55.400 She became queen in 1952.
01:14:59.180 She was crowned a year later.
01:15:01.880 She lived through the 60s.
01:15:04.100 She lived through the Beatles.
01:15:06.100 She lived through Vietnam, which Britain did not take part in, but still had a profound effect on world politics.
01:15:12.780 The Cold War, September 11th.
01:15:15.740 We just saw she brought into the fold 15 prime ministers,
01:15:22.000 the most recent of which came just two days before she died.
01:15:26.500 The first prime minister over whom she presided as queen was Winston Churchill,
01:15:33.000 who won his first election to the British Parliament in 1900 when Queen Victoria was on the throne.
01:15:41.020 This was a reign that was notable for a whole host of reasons,
01:15:47.060 and I'm sure we'll get on to her personal qualities, but also just for its longevity.
01:15:51.640 I mean, this was a reign that is equivalent to Queen Victoria's.
01:15:56.500 This is a reign that was longer than Queen Victoria's, and as such needs to be broken up into bits.
01:16:02.760 You know, with most people, you say the Edwardian era, and that's self-contained.
01:16:06.360 And with Queen Elizabeth II, the Elizabethan era has to have an early part and a mid part and a late part
01:16:12.220 because she was just there for so long.
01:16:14.560 And just to give you an example of this, my mother, whose middle name is Elizabeth
01:16:18.600 because she was born just after the coronation, has never been alive in this world,
01:16:25.160 has never been alive in Britain without Queen Elizabeth being on the throne.
01:16:31.440 I mean, this is a remarkable moment for her.
01:16:33.260 It's not just the postage stamps that have her profile and the coins and banknotes and postboxes.
01:16:40.360 It's the entire world was Elizabethan.
01:16:44.000 And suddenly, 70 years later, it's not.
01:16:48.300 She, speaking of personal qualities, had a good sense of humor.
01:16:52.420 I read a story about how at one point she was walking on the grounds or near the grounds of Balmoral
01:16:57.160 with her security guard, and obviously she must have been dressed as a civilian,
01:17:02.220 doesn't prance around Balmoral wearing her crown.
01:17:05.480 And someone saw her, some tourists saw her, and I guess some clueless tourists who climbed out from under a rock
01:17:12.280 because apparently they didn't recognize her and said,
01:17:15.160 have you ever met the Queen?
01:17:16.340 And she looked at her security guard and said, no, but he has.
01:17:22.260 I mean, that just doesn't show a great sense of humor.
01:17:26.860 It also shows a humility and a willingness and ability to put people at ease that I think is admirable.
01:17:36.480 You know, I come on the show relatively often.
01:17:40.360 We all know my worldview, my politics.
01:17:42.840 I'm the great champion of the American Revolution.
01:17:45.180 If I was setting up a country from scratch, I would not add in a monarchy.
01:17:50.380 But the British monarchy works pretty well.
01:17:52.880 It's inextricable from the Westminster system, from its parliament.
01:17:56.740 It's popular.
01:17:57.900 And one of the reasons that it works pretty well,
01:18:01.020 and that I wouldn't take any steps to get rid of it or really change it in many ways,
01:18:05.040 is because of Queen Elizabeth's talent for the job.
01:18:10.260 And that little story that you just referenced is a perfect example of that talent.
01:18:16.620 For 70 years, she understood why she was there.
01:18:21.220 She understood the limits, important limits on the role.
01:18:25.200 She understood that her behavior would determine how the office was seen
01:18:30.820 and would determine the future of that office.
01:18:35.240 There have been moments in British history at which Republican sentiment has been quite strong.
01:18:42.500 During Queen Victoria's reign, we had one.
01:18:45.880 And there were the makings of a Republican movement in Britain as well during the Elizabethan era.
01:18:51.940 But Queen Elizabeth's talent for her job really set them to one side.
01:19:01.420 And if you go back to the Labour Party of the 1970s, when it was the most radical,
01:19:08.560 and it paid a price for it, of course, because it's eventually vanquished.
01:19:11.960 But that party was full of people who were very interested in getting rid of the monarchy.
01:19:16.680 And the modern Labour Party is not.
01:19:19.240 That's not the normal trend in politics.
01:19:22.420 You don't normally go from having one major party that wants change to an old institution
01:19:29.520 to having no major parties that want change to a major institution.
01:19:33.780 And that's the legacy of Queen Elizabeth.
01:19:35.720 She did the job extremely well.
01:19:37.440 And she secured that job, I think, for the future.
01:19:40.740 Two other examples of her good humor and kindness.
01:19:45.500 There was reportedly a faux pas committed by Michelle Obama when the Obamas went to visit the Queen.
01:19:51.080 And it's a totally normal human gesture, but apparently not OK when dealing with the Queen.
01:19:55.680 Michelle Obama put her hand on the small of the Queen's back while they were walking.
01:20:00.080 And instead of bristling, recoiling, you know, like you've broken a rule,
01:20:04.660 the Queen put her hand on Michelle Obama.
01:20:06.960 Yeah, it is to signify we're good, you know, don't don't worry.
01:20:11.540 Just a small kindness, but I'm sure it meant a lot.
01:20:14.320 And it came from such a good place.
01:20:16.380 There was another moment, Charles, we have it queued up where she came over here.
01:20:19.760 The Queen came to America in 1991.
01:20:22.360 And I think it was I well, I guess it was H.W. Bush.
01:20:26.900 OK, so it was H.W. Bush who was introducing her and he forgot to lower the microphone down.
01:20:33.560 You know, she's considerably shorter than he than he was.
01:20:36.760 And we have a full screen of it on the on the for the YouTube audience.
01:20:39.600 But her face is exactly blocked by the microphone.
01:20:43.000 And so she got up there and here is how it went.
01:20:46.380 Stop three.
01:20:48.840 I do hope you can see me today from where you are.
01:20:51.700 So this is her before Congress the next day, making a joke about what happened the day before.
01:21:07.160 I do hope you can see me from where you are.
01:21:09.900 And she got a standing ovation because they knew what had happened and they appreciated her sense of humor about it.
01:21:16.300 She didn't feel slighted.
01:21:17.560 She thought it was funny.
01:21:18.620 I think that's exactly right.
01:21:22.540 And, you know, one can overstate the case.
01:21:24.980 Of course, in many respects, she had a really nice life.
01:21:28.520 She was born into one of the richest families in the world.
01:21:32.160 But it does take talent to put people at ease.
01:21:36.140 And, you know, as I say, the monarchy is a strange and ancient institution.
01:21:42.240 And it's not written in the stars that it should remain as popular as it is, not just in Britain, but, for example, in Canada.
01:21:50.220 I think the last poll I read had it at 80 percent approval.
01:21:53.640 And we can put a lot of that down to Queen Elizabeth, who for 70 years really defined honor and duty.
01:22:02.780 On the subject of our relationship, ours with Great Britain and with her, she went on in those remarks before Congress to talk about democracy and the friendship and what it meant.
01:22:14.000 And, as always, extremely eloquent and wowed the crowd again.
01:22:18.260 We cut a little bit of it, thought it was worth playing today.
01:22:20.400 Here it is, Sot 5.
01:22:21.320 Some people believe that power grows from the barrel of a gun.
01:22:29.500 So it can.
01:22:31.500 But history shows that it never grows well, nor for very long.
01:22:38.460 Force in the end is sterile.
01:22:42.620 We have gone a better way.
01:22:44.560 Our societies rest on mutual agreement, on contract, and on consensus.
01:22:53.020 A significant part of your central contract is written down in your constitution.
01:23:00.500 Ours rests on custom and will.
01:23:04.680 The spirit behind both, however, is precisely the same.
01:23:09.580 It is the spirit of democracy.
01:23:11.340 We want to build on that foundation and to do better.
01:23:17.840 And, if the going gets rough, I hope you can still agree with your poet, Emerson, who wrote in 1847.
01:23:27.900 I feel in regard to this aged England with a kind of instinct that she sees a little better on a cloudy day.
01:23:37.720 And that in storm of battle and calamity, she has a secret vigour and a pulse like a cannon.
01:23:47.240 You will find us...
01:23:48.720 APPLAUSE
01:23:49.720 You will find us worthy partners.
01:24:03.720 And we are proud to have you as our friends.
01:24:08.220 May God bless America.
01:24:14.040 APPLAUSE
01:24:14.600 Doing the impossible.
01:24:18.640 Uniting the entire U.S. Congress.
01:24:22.180 Standing uniformly, everyone clapping and cheering yet another feat.
01:24:26.820 But I love that.
01:24:27.780 I love what she said in the...
01:24:30.200 Of course, quoting Emerson, but that in the storm of battle and calamity, she has a secret vigour and a pulse like a cannon.
01:24:36.440 The same could be said of her.
01:24:39.500 Well, that clip, of course, is catnip for me because I'm such a proud Anglo-American.
01:24:45.320 I grew up in England.
01:24:47.060 I moved to America.
01:24:48.540 I'm profoundly invested in the friendship between the two countries.
01:24:52.980 But whenever I have to wear a suit, I have these cufflinks that combine the British flag and the American flag and half and half.
01:25:02.580 And that's very much how I feel personally.
01:25:07.780 So to see the Queen praising both the United States and America and their common bond is really wonderful.
01:25:14.620 And, of course, she's right.
01:25:17.040 I think that the United States and Great Britain are massively important in the world and in world history.
01:25:26.340 I think that on balance, they've been a great force for good.
01:25:30.340 And it would be a sad day if the relationship she was just describing ever dwindled.
01:25:36.440 I was saying last night, it feels like your best friend's mother has died and that mother was a role model to you as well.
01:25:44.860 You know, that's how it feels over here today.
01:25:46.700 Like, you really didn't want it to happen.
01:25:48.740 There was something about this queen that made it feel like it just wasn't going to happen.
01:25:52.160 Like, somehow, she was going to defy the odds and just keep going.
01:25:57.060 Though we knew, of course, that would not be the outcome.
01:26:00.300 She's replaced by King Charles III.
01:26:04.400 That will be his official title.
01:26:06.160 And he's just spoken for the first time as king.
01:26:10.360 We have a soundbite of his message.
01:26:12.580 Here it is.
01:26:14.040 My darling Mama, as you begin your last great journey to join my dear late papa, I want simply to say this.
01:26:27.500 Thank you.
01:26:28.180 Thank you for your love and devotion to our family and to the family of nations you have served so diligently all these years.
01:26:41.220 He promised as well, Charles, to serve with loyalty, respect, and love, as I have throughout my life.
01:26:51.160 He did disclose that he has officially given William his, now King Charles' old title, Prince of Wales, and Kate Middleton will now hold the title of Princess of Wales,
01:27:02.140 which technically was held by Camilla, but she didn't use it out of respect for Diana.
01:27:07.900 King Charles also gave his love to Prince Harry, of course, his younger son now, Prince Harry, now the son of the king,
01:27:14.900 and wife Meghan Markle, and ended the speech by thanking his mother in that soundbite you just heard there.
01:27:21.300 Not bad.
01:27:22.280 Pretty good.
01:27:22.880 What do you think?
01:27:23.280 Well, Charles is a complicated person, and he's had a difficult life in some respects.
01:27:32.680 I mean, he's been waiting to take this job for 73 years.
01:27:37.700 That's not to say he, of course, wanted his mother to pass away, but that's not usual for heirs to the throne, and it can't be easy.
01:27:47.260 On the other hand, he has watched the master work for pretty much his entire life, and if he hasn't learned the lessons that she imparted by now, he's not going to.
01:28:02.540 He may be the king for quite a while, and his mother died at 96, and his father died, I believe, at 99.
01:28:12.500 So they have some pretty good genes.
01:28:16.260 He's 73, so it's possible he could be there for a quarter century.
01:28:22.840 I actually think he's going to do an okay job.
01:28:26.020 I think that people tend to step up when they're confronted with an institution of that historical importance.
01:28:38.080 He'll also be helped along by the men in gray suits who run things behind the scenes, who know all of the rules.
01:28:48.280 I mean, there's not much thus far that gives us an indication of how he's going to do this plan.
01:28:53.300 I think it's called London Bridge for succession has been in place for a very long time and seems to be going like clockwork.
01:29:01.440 So we'll see.
01:29:02.360 The big challenge for Charles, though, is going to be staying out of politics.
01:29:06.660 He has had a bad habit of commenting on questions that are better left to the political branches, and maybe you can get away with that, asks the Prince of Wales.
01:29:20.540 You cannot get away with that, asks the monarch.
01:29:23.700 His mother never did it.
01:29:26.160 So if I were to give him one piece of advice, which I'm sure is unsolicited and unwelcome, it would be, remember, you're the king now, and no one wants to know what you think about live political questions.
01:29:36.660 That's right.
01:29:37.160 That's right.
01:29:37.640 The queen just says something like part of being queen means showing up.
01:29:42.180 They actually do have to see you to believe.
01:29:45.120 So you just show up, show up, you smile, you do the wave, and people will love you.
01:29:50.080 When you start speaking, things tend to go south, especially if you are a political person.
01:29:53.980 Let's talk about the reaction here.
01:29:56.840 The lunatic left out just with the worst commentaries.
01:30:00.940 We've read a couple of them.
01:30:02.240 I'll give you one that jumped out at me.
01:30:03.960 A senior newsletter writer for New York Magazine named Terhaka Love.
01:30:10.600 The queen has officially been deleted from the earthly plane.
01:30:15.600 For 96 years, that colonizer has been sucking up the earth's resources.
01:30:19.960 She's represented an empire that has committed mass violence and brought multiple flavors of atrocity to the world.
01:30:26.380 You can't be a literal oppressor and not expect the people you've oppressed not to rejoice on news of your death.
01:30:31.720 Now I'm supposed to be quiet or better yet, actually mourn what was a barely breathing, glad, force flex trash bag?
01:30:40.820 Please, no.
01:30:42.140 Most of the world will be celebrating today.
01:30:47.400 She's not the only one, Charles.
01:30:48.820 There's been a lot of reaction like that.
01:30:51.000 Typically, there's a professor at Harvard.
01:30:53.120 There's a professor at University of Michigan.
01:30:54.960 There was the professor at Carnegie Mellon, whose tweet I read earlier.
01:30:58.360 It's all the established left and some folks on NBC.
01:31:02.100 Deciding this is a moment to celebrate.
01:31:03.860 What do you make of it?
01:31:05.300 Well, I think the problem with that is that it's not true.
01:31:09.300 I mean, leave aside whether or not one should speak ill of the dead.
01:31:12.100 And the British are, I must say, much more willing to speak ill of the dead than are Americans.
01:31:17.120 Our obituaries can often be savage.
01:31:20.340 But what was read there is not true.
01:31:23.280 The Queen of England was not an oppressor.
01:31:29.000 The Queen of England presided over the dissolution of the British Empire.
01:31:34.940 The decolonization.
01:31:37.320 No, those decisions were taken by Parliament.
01:31:39.580 So insofar as that decolonization or anything that was done during the Queen's lifetime was problematic,
01:31:49.040 it's the Prime Minister, his cabinet, and the legislatures who should be held accountable.
01:31:55.520 But what a strange thing to say about a Queen who not only coincided with the end of the British Empire,
01:32:05.980 but was personally extremely gracious to those who took over within the Commonwealth
01:32:14.900 and went out of her way to dance with them and knight them and be seen shaking their hands and having dinner with them.
01:32:21.800 You know, we're not talking here about some 18th century slave trader.
01:32:29.580 We're talking about a woman who was born in the 1920s, who became Queen in the 1950s, and who died yesterday.
01:32:38.680 Now, I would more broadly point out, and I understand this is more debatable,
01:32:43.320 that while the British Empire obviously did a number of things that were regrettable,
01:32:49.420 and while I'm not a great fan of empires in general, the British Empire was remarkable not because it had colonies
01:32:58.560 and not because it engaged in slavery and slave trading, but because it ended those things.
01:33:06.060 It ended it.
01:33:06.840 The great difference.
01:33:07.960 The early 1800s.
01:33:09.200 Right.
01:33:09.760 The great difference between the British Empire and every other empire in history is that after a while,
01:33:15.860 the British Empire decided to use its navy to abolish the transatlantic slave trade,
01:33:20.860 and then with the West Africa squadron to get up in all other countries' business as well,
01:33:27.500 stop their slave trades where possible.
01:33:29.920 But look, I don't want to debate the British Empire.
01:33:31.860 There was a lot of bad.
01:33:33.400 The Queen had nothing to do with it.
01:33:35.600 So it really is a stretch to sort of extend that level of vitriol toward her.
01:33:41.620 But if you're feeling nostalgic for her, Charles, it might not be your love of colonialism.
01:33:47.180 It might be your love of, I guess, how did they used to put it?
01:33:51.340 Imperial nostalgia, because you're a white guy and you might be feeling nostalgic for the white power of yesteryear.
01:33:59.020 Here's MSNBC's Richard Stengel.
01:34:03.700 It's coming.
01:34:04.300 I have to say, to your earlier question, why are American news networks dedicating all of this time to Queen Elizabeth's funeral?
01:34:12.540 I think it's a good question.
01:34:13.820 I mean, you know, I think it's something, there's a weakness in the American character that still yearns for that era of hereditary privilege,
01:34:22.900 which is the very thing that we escaped from.
01:34:26.220 So there, I've made myself the stock of the garden.
01:34:28.620 I love it.
01:34:29.780 We're keeping it real.
01:34:30.920 Oh, Lord, Nicole Wallace, it's your yearning for hereditary privilege that makes you want to talk about this, Miss the Queen or tune into coverage.
01:34:41.960 Yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty unlikely, given that I moved to the United States and I'm one of the most outspoken defenders of the American system of government and of the American revolution you're likely to meet.
01:34:52.640 There is a strange disease in our media where everything has to be seen through this reductive, historical and often racial lens.
01:35:03.820 I liked what Zaid Jelani said on Twitter, that so many of the commentators who have gone down this road are really just subsuming this issue into their own worldview.
01:35:17.780 They're not actually asking, how is the Queen, how is the British monarchy, how is Britain regarded in Jamaica or Pakistan or India, which I understand is not in the Commonwealth, but was one of the key parts of the British Empire.
01:35:34.820 They're just assuming.
01:35:35.660 And the answer to that question is, of course, very, very complicated.
01:35:41.240 But one of the things that is most interesting, I think, about the monarchy in Britain, and when I say in Britain, I mean, you know, within the British Isles, is that non-white Brits are often more favorable toward the monarchy than our native Brits, especially younger native Brits.
01:36:00.380 I know people who came over recently or whose parents came over in the great waves of the 1950s, 60s and 70s are often patriotic in a way that people whose families have been in Britain for hundreds of thousands of years are not.
01:36:20.200 And they tend not to be disparaging toward the monarchy.
01:36:23.680 And there's a great BBC comedy show called Goodness Gracious Me that mocks the degree to which the Indian and Pakistani immigrants into Britain sort of picked up the monarchy as their own.
01:36:37.040 So this is a very complicated issue.
01:36:38.680 And I think some of the some of the coverage has just been, you know, edgelordy and silly.
01:36:44.020 Last question before we go.
01:36:45.080 Why is God Save the Queen identical to My Country Tis of Thee in tune?
01:36:51.720 I mean, it's the same thing.
01:36:52.800 Have you noticed that we've been playing God Save the Queen?
01:36:55.060 Like, I recognize this tune.
01:36:57.840 I think we just stole it.
01:36:59.600 It just confused me enormously when I first moved here because it's often played in the most American setting.
01:37:05.880 And you think, wait a minute, didn't we have a revolution to get rid of that?
01:37:09.200 But apparently not.
01:37:10.780 We stole it.
01:37:11.420 We looked it up.
01:37:12.120 It was written by Samuel Francis Smith, who I guess was an American and just stole the tune outright.
01:37:18.680 So I didn't feel the need to do the work, apparently.
01:37:21.580 Charles, such a pleasure.
01:37:23.180 Thanks for coming on.
01:37:24.700 Thanks for having me.
01:37:25.900 Thank you so much for joining us today and all week.
01:37:28.460 Next week, we've got some big shows coming up, including Vivek Ramaswamy.
01:37:32.540 He's out with his new book about victims, supposed wannabe glomming victims.
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01:37:41.080 Remember all the fallout through Ben Shapiro when that podcast group bounced?
01:37:44.460 They were so horrified.
01:37:45.320 He showed up at The Daily Wire booth at their podcast convention.
01:37:49.040 Well, Jeremy is his co-founder of The Daily Wire.
01:37:51.300 So we'll talk all about it.
01:37:52.740 And on Monday, we've got some big announcements, something exciting.
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