The Megyn Kelly Show - Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Secrets of DC, the Israel Lobby, Jasmine Crockett, and the Future of MAGA

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.540 Today on the program, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:00:19.380 This is the first time we have ever met.

00:00:22.080 Since coming onto the national scene in 2019, she has been a lightning rod for the Republican Party

00:00:28.000 and a loyalist to President Donald Trump.

00:00:31.040 However, she's making headlines now over cracks in her support for some of his current stances.

00:00:37.380 Ukraine, Israel, the Epstein files, just to name a few.

00:00:41.800 Congresswoman Greene has been involved in some epic fights on Capitol Hill, 1.00

00:00:45.460 but whether you like her or not, she does not back down on Fauci, the villain, the trans issue, and so much more.

00:00:52.680 This is going to be a wide-ranging discussion on the current state and future of the MAGA movement and more.

00:00:59.400 Joining me now, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, MTG.

00:01:04.100 Welcome to the show.

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00:02:16.920 Thank you, Megan.

00:02:17.860 I'm glad to be here.

00:02:18.700 Yeah, thanks for coming all this way.

00:02:21.120 Let's just start with news of the day because we're taping this on Monday.

00:02:25.160 This is going to air on Tuesday.

00:02:26.880 And in the Oval Office, President Trump, who's meeting with Zelensky, was just asked about what kind of commitments are we ready to make with respect to our troops

00:02:35.720 and keeping any possible peace in Ukraine because his emissary, Steve Witkoff, his envoy, had said we that the security deals are basically being negotiated, which sounds like us.

00:02:48.560 And here's what he said.

00:02:50.620 Your team has talked about security guarantees.

00:02:52.600 Could that involve U.S. troops?

00:02:54.000 Would you rule that out in the future?

00:02:55.000 We'll let you know that maybe later today.

00:02:59.360 We're meeting with seven great leaders of great countries also, and we'll be talking about that.

00:03:05.540 They'll all be involved.

00:03:07.740 Okay.

00:03:08.560 Your thoughts on what, if any, presence we should be having over in Ukraine?

00:03:12.600 Right.

00:03:13.080 Now, taping on Monday, so we're just taking what the president just spoke of in the Oval Office.

00:03:18.680 I think he's talking about potential Article 5 security agreements.

00:03:23.080 That's what Witkoff mentioned.

00:03:24.560 Agreements.

00:03:25.100 The NATO agreement, which they're not a part of NATO.

00:03:27.140 Right, which I'm against.

00:03:30.540 Look, I campaigned all over the country for President Trump, not just in 2024, but literally for years.

00:03:37.360 And I can tell you right now, the American people are very much against foreign wars, funding foreign wars,

00:03:44.360 sending American troops into foreign countries to protect their borders, their interests, their people.

00:03:50.280 They are appalled that we've spent $200 billion or more in Ukraine thus far since 2022.

00:03:59.240 And I don't think the American people will be happy about sending American troops with an Article 5 security agreement and promise to Ukraine.

00:04:07.440 I don't think that's what the American people want.

00:04:09.420 I think they want completely out of it because most Americans are looking at their daily lives.

00:04:15.640 They're looking at their bills, their rent payments.

00:04:18.980 Young people today can't buy a house. 1.00

00:04:21.420 They're looking at health insurance, which is a complete scam and a ripoff.

00:04:25.460 And they're going, OK, how much more is this going to cost me?

00:04:28.620 So that's my first reaction.

00:04:30.200 Let's talk about what a guarantee would look like.

00:04:32.500 I mean, if we're guaranteeing, what, the security of Ukraine so that if there's another Putin invasion down the line,

00:04:40.840 we're required to fight it like it's our war?

00:04:44.540 Yes, essentially.

00:04:46.200 So Article 5 with NATO means that any NATO country that is attacked,

00:04:52.340 that means the other countries are bound in that agreement to respond with defense.

00:04:57.720 And I think it can vary depending on how the country reacts and what the defense aid they give to these other countries.

00:05:06.680 But it seems it doesn't make sense to say Ukraine can never join NATO.

00:05:13.620 But yet here we are, the United States, most powerful country in the world.

00:05:17.140 We are going to give you Article 5, a guarantee security agreement.

00:05:21.420 Like a side deal.

00:05:23.280 And why do they deserve it is my question.

00:05:25.500 Why does Ukraine?

00:05:26.640 Whether they do or they don't, I don't want to give it.

00:05:29.420 Exactly.

00:05:30.160 You know, that's my position.

00:05:31.420 I don't care.

00:05:32.120 It's my child.

00:05:32.880 No.

00:05:33.960 Megan, I fully agree with you.

00:05:35.600 And I think most Americans agree with you.

00:05:38.740 I was one of the only members of Congress that voted no from the beginning to fund the Ukraine war.

00:05:44.820 And I took a very strong position.

00:05:47.380 And literally, I was on my own out of, you know.

00:05:50.780 How did you see that?

00:05:51.560 But I just saw it from—so my dad was a combat war veteran in Vietnam.

00:06:00.860 And just growing up with a father that had been drafted and parents that had lived through the Vietnam War, you know, that whole generation, which we love them so much.

00:06:10.640 And knowing so many, you know, of family members and friends that served in everything from Desert Storm to Iraq and Afghanistan and all these Middle Eastern wars.

00:06:24.420 And as a member of Congress, constantly hearing from veterans that have so many broken issues, whether it's physical or mental with PTSD, and can't get their needs met at the VA, and then knowing that their suicide numbers are still 22 a day.

00:06:41.500 I mean, it's just common sense.

00:06:42.940 It's like, we can't do this anymore.

00:06:45.080 And we're broke.

00:06:45.880 America's broke.

00:06:46.920 We're $37 trillion in debt.

00:06:48.820 And at some point, we have to start saying no to the rest of the world and just completely say, no, we can't.

00:06:55.400 We've got to focus here, or we're going to implode one day.

00:07:00.500 It's—I mean, the Republican Party has turned on that war and supporting it, but they weren't against it in the beginning.

00:07:07.340 You know, the numbers have fallen.

00:07:08.740 So it's to your credit that you saw that trouble coming right from the get-go.

00:07:12.440 And it's not that—like, I have sympathy, of course, for the Ukrainian people.

00:07:15.840 I mean, what's happened is terrible.

00:07:18.020 They've had terrible leaders.

00:07:19.580 Yeah. 0.51

00:07:19.920 And Vladimir Putin is not a good man.

00:07:22.060 That's—I mean, nobody's going to dispute that.

00:07:24.280 But not everything can be our problem.

00:07:26.780 And the problem is we had Democrats who were messing with Ukraine and kind of trying to make it our problem for a number of years, which I think led us to feeling some obligation, understandably.

00:07:35.780 But at this point, I mean, like, you've got these two stubborn leaders.

00:07:40.220 I don't know what's going to happen today.

00:07:41.700 I don't have high hopes that Trump's going to get something done today.

00:07:43.960 Yeah.

00:07:44.360 It's going to have to stop at some point because both sides are losing, you know, how many thousands by the week?

00:07:50.360 So I don't know.

00:07:51.420 How do you see this ending?

00:07:52.780 I'm not sure.

00:07:53.900 I do want to say I put a lot of faith and hope in the president because we all win if he's successful in ending it.

00:08:01.700 However, what does America have to continue to commit to these countries in order to end their wars that we had nothing to do with?

00:08:09.220 Even the Ukraine-Russia war really started in 2014 under Barack Obama.

00:08:14.840 Everybody thinks it started in 2022.

00:08:16.940 It didn't.

00:08:17.300 It started way back then.

00:08:18.380 And then we can look at the war with Israel and Gaza or Israel and Iran or whoever in the Middle East.

00:08:25.360 You know, we haven't started those wars either.

00:08:28.740 And then we can say, well, what wars do we pick to get involved in?

00:08:32.060 What about the ones in Africa where Christians are slaughtered all the time?

00:08:37.060 It's just, it's like you said, at what point do we say, guys, enough?

00:08:42.060 Not our problem.

00:08:42.620 I mean, it's like 9-11, yeah, that was our problem.

00:08:45.740 1,000%.

00:08:46.540 That was easy to see.

00:08:47.600 But all of a sudden, like, we could be extended all over the world at any given time with millions of American troops if we really wanted to be.

00:08:55.360 Yep.

00:08:55.900 So we have to make serious decisions.

00:08:57.500 And we'll round back to Israel.

00:08:58.800 But let me just get to know you first and have you got it.

00:09:01.060 So did you grow up in Georgia?

00:09:02.520 Yes.

00:09:03.020 Born and raised.

00:09:03.900 Okay.

00:09:04.180 What was your family like?

00:09:05.700 Oh, my gosh.

00:09:06.580 Very, very down home.

00:09:09.360 My mom's side of the family, have a very big family. 1.00

00:09:11.880 My dad's side of the family is not as big.

00:09:14.540 I have one brother.

00:09:16.140 Older or younger?

00:09:16.900 Younger.

00:09:17.320 Two years younger.

00:09:18.160 You were the oldest.

00:09:18.900 Yes, I'm the oldest.

00:09:20.840 My family, we had no money in the beginning because my dad was truck and ladder construction guy, trying to grow the family business from there.

00:09:29.560 So we moved around a good bit.

00:09:31.120 I went to a lot of different public schools growing up in Georgia.

00:09:34.840 Finished up and went to UGA.

00:09:37.280 I was the first person in my family to graduate from college with a business degree, which was, you know, pretty big deal in my family as my parents weren't able to finish college.

00:09:48.780 But, yeah, just very normal childhood.

00:09:51.880 When you graduated, did you have any hopes of becoming a politician?

00:09:55.380 No, never.

00:09:56.380 Oh, my goodness.

00:09:57.260 I never wanted to have anything to do with politics.

00:09:59.060 Never even thought of it.

00:10:00.420 Were you back then, like, describe the 20-year-old you.

00:10:03.360 Were you feisty?

00:10:03.980 Were you still, like, a stand-up kind of person, or what were you like?

00:10:07.400 No, not at all.

00:10:08.360 I don't even remember arguing with a waiter in a restaurant.

00:10:11.760 Really?

00:10:12.220 Yes, just very Southern.

00:10:14.100 We grow up mild-mannered, polite, very sweet.

00:10:18.360 Bless your heart is the meanest thing you say.

00:10:20.220 Well, it has two meanings.

00:10:21.880 There's a sincere bless your heart, and then there's a mean bless your heart.

00:10:24.400 Oh, I only knew the second.

00:10:25.980 Okay.

00:10:26.280 Yeah, no, just worked in my family construction business when I was a teenager and then graduated

00:10:34.620 from college and didn't even think of applying for a job anywhere.

00:10:38.360 I went straight back to our family construction business.

00:10:41.400 Political family?

00:10:42.340 Like, was it a lot of Republican talk or not?

00:10:45.160 Not really.

00:10:46.500 I mean, of course, my parents talked about everything at the kitchen table, which honestly,

00:10:50.660 I think, helped me so much.

00:10:51.820 They discussed everything at the kitchen table, especially about our business, whatever the

00:10:58.180 problems were at the time, how much jobs cost, bidding jobs.

00:11:02.580 And it was a construction business?

00:11:03.600 Yes.

00:11:04.060 Yeah, okay.

00:11:04.380 Selling jobs.

00:11:05.460 I mean, really, the structure of running a business, the structure of running a household,

00:11:10.980 you know, household bills.

00:11:12.860 My parents just, but they didn't argue.

00:11:14.940 It was not arguing.

00:11:15.880 It was just discussing, which I always, I think I learned and benefited from that.

00:11:20.120 And I think all children benefit from that when they hear their parents.

00:11:23.560 But after college, I bought my family's construction business, took me some years to buy them out

00:11:30.060 and help them into retirement.

00:11:31.820 And then away we went for over two decades.

00:11:35.440 That's what I did.

00:11:36.380 Because I read that you, I don't know if it was you never voted in an election until Trump

00:11:41.360 or you just hadn't voted recently prior to Trump.

00:11:44.080 The only election I didn't vote in was in 2012.

00:11:46.760 I just couldn't vote for Mitt Romney.

00:11:48.480 Oh, okay.

00:11:49.020 Yeah.

00:11:49.640 Why?

00:11:50.160 Interesting.

00:11:50.480 Because back then, Mitt Romney, I mean, at least I had a very different image of Mitt

00:11:53.520 Romney in 2012 than I do now.

00:11:56.420 Mitt Romney, for me, so I'm one of those voters where I have got to feel inspired to

00:12:02.540 want to vote for someone.

00:12:04.680 You've got to give me a reason to want to vote for them.

00:12:08.360 Otherwise, I'm like, back then, I would have been like, why am I taking time out of my day?

00:12:13.260 It really, honestly, was my mindset.

00:12:15.860 He did not inspire you.

00:12:16.720 Very non-political.

00:12:17.940 He did not inspire me.

00:12:19.560 I voted in the first election against Obama.

00:12:22.120 It's not that I like John McCain, but it was against Barack Obama.

00:12:25.620 The next time I was like, well, Barack Obama's going to win.

00:12:28.020 And I definitely don't want to vote for Mitt Romney.

00:12:30.280 So I was like, why would I bother?

00:12:31.940 The Bain Capital dog on the roof.

00:12:33.640 What was it?

00:12:35.240 I think he just was the wing of the Republican Party.

00:12:38.100 I could not stand.

00:12:39.860 And that, for me, was a major turnoff.

00:12:42.280 You were already in that place in 2012.

00:12:45.380 Very much so.

00:12:46.400 So when Trump comes on the scene three years later, were you like, wow?

00:12:52.160 Yes.

00:12:52.880 I went, this is the first, I called him a politician, but he was a candidate.

00:12:58.060 I was like, this is the first politician that makes sense to me because he talked the way

00:13:02.920 my father and my uncles and many men in my life, especially in the construction world,

00:13:09.200 talked.

00:13:09.660 He talked normal.

00:13:11.340 And he talked about issues that we cared about, like ending foreign wars, putting America

00:13:17.480 first.

00:13:18.260 And he talked about so many of the things that none of the politicians would ever dare talk

00:13:22.360 about because that might not be the right way to talk.

00:13:24.840 Yep.

00:13:25.180 So he was very appealing.

00:13:26.660 Was it love at first sight?

00:13:28.300 Absolutely.

00:13:29.100 For a politician?

00:13:29.680 Yes.

00:13:30.140 Love at first sight.

00:13:30.860 So you didn't, you weren't buying into any of the controversies that the media was kicking

00:13:34.800 around back then.

00:13:35.340 You were an early supporter. 0.98

00:13:37.340 Never bought into any of the garbage. 0.91

00:13:38.940 Well, this would be important for your future political life. 0.99

00:13:41.720 It's not buy into garbage being printed by the media.

00:13:44.560 We didn't buy into it.

00:13:45.820 I didn't buy into it.

00:13:46.600 And a lot of people I knew didn't buy into it.

00:13:48.120 But you were not yet a politician, we should point out.

00:13:49.920 So this, you were still running a construction company.

00:13:53.200 You were a business owner and business woman. 0.58

00:13:55.840 Raising three children.

00:13:56.720 Okay.

00:13:57.100 So how old were your kids at this point?

00:13:59.180 Um, well, gosh, so they are now they are 22, 25 and 27.

00:14:04.620 So they're adolescent back in 2016.

00:14:06.660 Yeah.

00:14:07.280 High school and middle school.

00:14:08.620 All right.

00:14:08.940 Yes.

00:14:09.620 And, um, so now at some point you're, you decide to throw your hat in the ring and actually

00:14:14.180 run for Congress, which is a huge decision.

00:14:17.160 Yes.

00:14:17.440 So how do you go from not being really that political to actually running for office?

00:14:22.960 I know it sounds crazy.

00:14:24.300 So 2016, I really started paying attention because of Donald Trump and that led, um, and

00:14:30.820 it was also the whole world of social media opening up.

00:14:33.320 There was so more, so much more information that was outside of mainstream news that was

00:14:38.840 on social media that I found very interesting and many people did.

00:14:42.880 And, um, so I, I really started paying attention and it was watching the Republicans in 2017 fail

00:14:52.200 on multiple fronts.

00:14:54.000 Number one, they didn't fight against the Russia hoax.

00:14:57.300 And it was so clear and obvious to me that it was a complete lie.

00:15:01.180 And Republicans basically stood down and allowed Donald Trump just to be pummeled. 0.97

00:15:06.600 And it was disgusting to me.

00:15:08.460 I was like, how are they doing this? 0.85

00:15:09.860 It just was so repulsive.

00:15:11.600 And then, um, it was in 2018, they passed the largest budget.

00:15:15.140 I think at that time it was $1.3 trillion.

00:15:18.140 It was a just, just bloated budget.

00:15:21.740 They even funded Planned Parenthood.

00:15:23.760 They did all these things that they had said they weren't going to do.

00:15:26.940 And then they flat out did them.

00:15:28.560 And then they did not repeal, uh, the Affordable Care Act.

00:15:32.500 And our family, that hurt us in particular because we bought our own health insurance.

00:15:37.680 We weren't, we wasn't given to us at some job.

00:15:39.680 And when the Affordable Care Act passed, our family's health insurance went from around

00:15:46.000 $800 a month to over $2,400 a month.

00:15:50.160 It, it killed us.

00:15:51.680 That was more than our mortgage payment.

00:15:53.480 Because if you had more than like a certain number of employees, you really took it.

00:15:57.900 I remember my brother, who's also a business owner in Georgia, was trying to keep the employees

00:16:02.520 under that number.

00:16:03.420 I can't remember if it was under 50 or under 100, but he was trying not to hire even one

00:16:07.940 more person so he could avoid the exorbitant increases that were coming from Obamacare.

00:16:11.920 Exactly.

00:16:12.480 It was terrible.

00:16:13.600 Right.

00:16:13.760 So you're not, so what's that doing to the economy?

00:16:15.840 Killing us.

00:16:16.480 It was killing us.

00:16:17.860 And so all of those problems were, were supposed to be the problems that Republicans were supposed

00:16:22.980 to fix.

00:16:23.700 And at the same time, they weren't defending and protecting the president that we had elected

00:16:28.860 and truly believed in his message.

00:16:31.320 And I'll never forget, it was in January of 2019, watching Nancy Pelosi take the gavel

00:16:39.160 and become Speaker of the House again.

00:16:41.380 Trigger.

00:16:42.200 Yeah.

00:16:42.620 And I was like, I mean, I want to say the F word.

00:16:46.600 You can on this podcast.

00:16:47.300 I did. 1.00

00:16:47.680 I was like, fuck it. 1.00

00:16:48.640 I'm running for Congress. 1.00

00:16:49.800 Wow.

00:16:50.080 Because I felt like they don't have regular people in there that understand.

00:16:55.600 It's like, who is in Congress that gets it?

00:16:58.200 And so I was so naive though, Megan, so naive.

00:17:01.880 I just thought that you could just run for Congress and ask for everybody's vote and go

00:17:07.740 up there and fix problems.

00:17:09.600 And, oh boy, it's been quite a ride since.

00:17:11.420 Yeah.

00:17:11.760 You've learned a lot.

00:17:12.660 So you were elected in what year did you come into the Congress?

00:17:14.960 2020.

00:17:15.700 Right in 2020.

00:17:16.340 Yes.

00:17:16.500 At the height of the craziness.

00:17:17.900 Insane.

00:17:18.360 The year America lost its mind.

00:17:19.680 Yes.

00:17:20.900 Now, what I remember back then was you got in trouble for tweets about Sandy Hook or Parkland.

00:17:29.620 No, they accused that.

00:17:31.980 They laid that on me.

00:17:33.420 But I had always been very vocal against how horrific school shootings are.

00:17:39.080 They're horrific.

00:17:40.980 They're going to take anything.

00:17:41.940 When you're a young Republican woman, which you're not allowed to be, that's not okay.

00:17:46.180 Right.

00:17:47.240 They're going to throw everything at you. 0.97

00:17:49.400 And if they can paint you to be a nutcase, so much the better. 1.00

00:17:53.180 They would say nuts or sluts. 1.00

00:17:54.720 That's what they do, especially conservative women. 1.00

00:17:57.420 Oh, yeah.

00:17:58.120 And I think they could tell I meant what I was saying.

00:18:01.940 Well, you're threatening.

00:18:03.720 You're a good communicator.

00:18:05.460 So they created this whole new character of me that didn't exist.

00:18:10.420 And I was not prepared for it.

00:18:12.800 I had no media training.

00:18:14.940 I had no nothing.

00:18:17.320 You hadn't even had a lifetime as an arguer.

00:18:21.080 No.

00:18:21.640 Oh, no, no, no, never.

00:18:23.000 My first GOP meeting was when I walked into one and said, I'm Marjorie Taylor Greene, and

00:18:28.280 I'm running for Congress.

00:18:29.720 It's my first GOP meeting.

00:18:31.940 I had no idea what I was getting into.

00:18:33.600 Well, but I mean, that's what we want, right?

00:18:35.280 The whole idea of the founders was like the citizen politician who would come and serve

00:18:39.540 for a limited time and not get bought and paid for and need the job or padding their

00:18:45.360 stock account, Nancy, with access to insider information.

00:18:51.160 She denies it.

00:18:53.580 So that must have been very eye-opening for you to start realizing how things work and

00:18:57.700 you have to do certain things, not the way you want, but the way leadership wants.

00:19:02.020 I mean, you tell me, what were the eye-opening?

00:19:04.120 Oh, no.

00:19:04.660 For me, I came in with my hair on fire.

00:19:07.120 I was mad at everybody.

00:19:10.020 Everybody. 1.00

00:19:10.500 Because you people suck. 1.00

00:19:12.680 100%. 1.00

00:19:13.000 Okay. 1.00

00:19:13.420 I was like, this whole city sucks. 1.00

00:19:15.760 It's destroying us. 1.00

00:19:17.220 It's killing us.

00:19:18.760 But you know what?

00:19:19.880 I still feel that way.

00:19:20.840 I literally still feel that way.

00:19:22.920 I wasn't ready for the media blitz.

00:19:24.760 I wasn't ready for what they were going to do to me.

00:19:27.080 So let me tell you, I learned all the hard lessons, and now I'm fine.

00:19:32.160 Like what?

00:19:33.080 Just how they will lie.

00:19:34.560 So I've learned that when I'm at the Capitol, my staff will record the

00:19:39.540 entire, whatever questioning there is, whatever interviews I get.

00:19:44.180 Very smart.

00:19:44.600 They record them all, and we put the whole thing out on social media.

00:19:47.360 So they can't cut up my words.

00:19:48.600 At least I have a way of fighting back.

00:19:50.580 So I learned little tricks like that.

00:19:52.420 How about intra-party?

00:19:54.180 Okay.

00:19:54.520 Intra-party is the most interesting thing.

00:19:58.500 I'm not a leadership person.

00:20:00.200 I don't.

00:20:00.820 They can't buy my vote.

00:20:02.020 They can't talk me into it.

00:20:03.420 I'm so independent, and it's the best place to be.

00:20:08.580 I went in believing I had to join the Freedom Caucus because I thought, okay, these are where

00:20:14.140 the good guys are, like-minded people.

00:20:17.040 Actually, I'm not in the Freedom Caucus anymore because oftentimes they end up making a deal

00:20:24.340 or selling out, and I don't think it serves the best interest.

00:20:28.680 However, there are other things that I will, I mean, I'll vote for because, like, for example,

00:20:33.960 appropriations.

00:20:35.460 My district needs road project help.

00:20:38.460 They need water help.

00:20:39.940 They need help with police and fire requests.

00:20:43.320 And I think that's what our tax dollars should go towards.

00:20:47.220 I won't vote for a foreign war. 0.99

00:20:49.100 I'm not voting for your foreign aid garbage. 1.00

00:20:51.460 I'm not going to vote for whatever stupid special interest thing that you're going to 1.00

00:20:55.660 ask me to vote for. 0.99

00:20:56.680 But I want our appropriation bills, and I want the money to come back to my district.

00:21:00.080 Presumably what your constituents want from you.

00:21:02.480 That's what they want.

00:21:03.400 I think that's what we're supposed to do.

00:21:05.720 But I'm not going to, like, I'm mad every single day that we don't have a balanced budget.

00:21:10.680 Like, as a business owner, it makes no sense.

00:21:13.600 I know.

00:21:14.080 You could never run a business like this.

00:21:15.960 Oh, no.

00:21:16.660 We'd be homeless people.

00:21:17.600 Yes.

00:21:18.440 So what happens?

00:21:19.680 Like, was it Kevin McCarthy in 2020?

00:21:21.800 I'm trying to remember who was speaker.

00:21:22.920 Kevin McCarthy was, he was our minority leader.

00:21:27.020 It was Nancy Pelosi was speaker in 2021 and 2022. 0.53

00:21:30.860 So you've got to remember, the third day on my job was January 6th.

00:21:34.420 That was the third day there.

00:21:36.340 I couldn't even find the bathroom.

00:21:39.500 Then we had Nancy Pelosi did the second impeachment of President Trump on January 11th. 1.00

00:21:47.180 That was the same day that my father was having brain surgery to have tumors removed because he had cancer.

00:21:55.880 And then it was terrible.

00:21:57.400 So we were not even in session and we had to fly back to vote on that impeachment vote.

00:22:02.560 So I had to leave my mother's side and she was beside herself because she wasn't allowed in the hospital because of COVID.

00:22:10.100 And so anyways, I had to fly to Washington and vote no on impeachment.

00:22:14.220 That was like the second week.

00:22:17.380 Third week there, I got kicked off of all committees.

00:22:21.240 What'd you do?

00:22:21.860 Um, they said, they just didn't like my remarks, didn't like things I had said on social media.

00:22:27.620 So Nancy. 0.99

00:22:28.560 Was it J6 related?

00:22:30.280 Actually, I think it was because I had entered.

00:22:33.180 I know.

00:22:33.760 Yeah.

00:22:33.900 I think it's because I introduced articles of impeachment on Joe Biden on his first day in office.

00:22:38.500 Oh, okay.

00:22:39.240 And they got mad.

00:22:40.100 The other side would never do that.

00:22:41.440 Oh, no.

00:22:42.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:43.200 Right.

00:22:43.640 So it was just is full on political warfare.

00:22:46.200 But it doesn't serve the American people.

00:22:49.920 So how do you because I do wonder how they come to you to try to get you to like, sacrifice your beliefs and your personal commitments of how you're going to be and what you're going to prioritize.

00:23:02.620 Like, do they tell you they're not going to fundraise for you?

00:23:05.540 How do they try to make you go along?

00:23:07.720 Yeah.

00:23:07.920 And okay, so each member of Congress is different.

00:23:11.520 Thankfully, over 95% of my campaign money that I raise is small dollar donations under $30.

00:23:20.680 We're talking about grandma giving me 20 bucks, which is the nicest campaign donation I can ever receive.

00:23:28.540 Yeah.

00:23:29.100 It means more than the $2,000 check sometimes.

00:23:31.200 Oh, my gosh.

00:23:31.700 That comes with a handwritten note and a prayer.

00:23:34.240 And you're like, I feel guilty to even take it.

00:23:37.260 It's like such a nice thing.

00:23:39.000 But those are my donors.

00:23:40.040 And they're just sincere Americans.

00:23:42.360 And they're the greatest.

00:23:44.260 So you can't.

00:23:46.200 Here's how it works.

00:23:47.500 So most members of Congress don't have that.

00:23:50.160 They have to raise the max donations that come from the big dollar donors.

00:23:55.720 And so those are going to be the very rich party people in their district.

00:23:59.640 But they'll also be max dollar donors from around the country.

00:24:04.120 Well, in Washington, D.C., you've got the entire lobbying world.

00:24:09.340 And they work for all the industries that come to Washington needing anything and everything.

00:24:16.080 What are the most lucrative ones?

00:24:17.340 Like if you wanted to do it a different way and you just wanted to get donations, like I'm going to line my pockets so I have an easy re-election, who would you say yes to?

00:24:26.020 You would say yes to the military industrial base.

00:24:28.980 And you would say yes to Big Pharma.

00:24:31.280 And you would say yes to Big Farm.

00:24:35.140 You would say yes to agriculture.

00:24:38.240 You would say yes to the major food industries.

00:24:41.220 Some of this is explaining why Hegseth and RFKJ had such a difficult time getting confirmed.

00:24:48.020 Yes, because they aren't bought by those people.

00:24:52.280 Yeah, they're threatening.

00:24:53.660 And so let's say that I'm one of those members and say that that's where I'm going to get my fundraising from.

00:25:00.720 It works out really simple.

00:25:02.500 The lobbyists come and they say, hey, why don't we have a little cocktail gathering for you off the hill?

00:25:09.960 Because you can't do any fundraising on the hill.

00:25:12.120 Off the hill, we'll bring some people together.

00:25:14.880 You know, we're going to need your support on the NDAA this year.

00:25:17.740 We're also going to need you on that farm bill.

00:25:20.560 We're going to be doing some work, you know, helping out with major grants and studies for the pharmaceutical companies.

00:25:28.740 And then let's say that somebody like me is like, oh, yeah, that sounds great.

00:25:32.760 Well, they can throw together an hour and a half little cocktail party with some nice little drinks and some, you know, little cocktail sausages on a stick and a few other things.

00:25:43.160 And then the lobbyists can come in and then you bring in all the executives and high level people from all those different companies that say the lobbyist represents.

00:25:53.280 They all come in and write max donor checks, which it depends on what they can write for.

00:25:58.440 You can write for a primary, you can write for the general, and you can write for a runoff.

00:26:04.220 And so I think that's a $3,800 max contribution per person for each race in one cycle.

00:26:12.360 So you mean I could do like 38, 38, and 38?

00:26:14.900 Yes.

00:26:15.340 Oh, I see.

00:26:16.020 So the numbers can get high.

00:26:17.460 Oh, gosh.

00:26:18.340 Imagine what that turns into, and you multiply that by 20 people or 40 people in one room.

00:26:25.500 Yep.

00:26:26.200 Well, they're getting their campaign pockets loaded.

00:26:29.220 Do that a couple times throughout a campaign cycle, and that gives that politician, that gives them enough money to get reelected again.

00:26:38.120 And they never had to go home and take a $20 check or even a $5 wadded up, hand it in your hand, and your handshake.

00:26:48.180 These people own you.

00:26:49.560 They own them 1,000%.

00:26:51.780 And then what happens?

00:26:53.740 That translates to, well, we're coming up on appropriations right now.

00:26:58.820 Okay.

00:26:59.440 Megan, I'm going to make this real simple because this is a process that's really hard to understand.

00:27:03.280 I had to learn it too.

00:27:04.680 September 30th every single year is our government funding deadline, and Congress is constitutionally required to fund the government.

00:27:12.820 That's what we're supposed to do.

00:27:14.020 It's our job.

00:27:14.680 So that makes sense.

00:27:15.820 Well, there's 12 separate appropriation bills, and that funds like every different department and section of the government,

00:27:23.840 ranging from the Department of Defense to the Department of Agriculture to TSA, Border Patrol, ICE, all of this.

00:27:31.180 Really important stuff.

00:27:32.980 Okay.

00:27:34.120 We in the House have only passed two of our 12 appropriation bills.

00:27:39.420 Only two of them.

00:27:41.340 Took us seven months to pass two.

00:27:44.020 We've been out on recess for five.

00:27:46.360 It'll be five weeks by the time we go back on September 2nd.

00:27:50.260 Okay.

00:27:50.700 Get ready for this.

00:27:52.100 Going back in September, we're only going to be in session for 15 days.

00:27:57.740 15 work days.

00:27:58.800 Why?

00:28:00.880 I can't even tell you.

00:28:02.260 It makes no logical sense to me.

00:28:04.320 To me, that's a calendar set up for failure.

00:28:06.380 So that means the House has 15 days to pass 10 more appropriation bills in order to fund the government.

00:28:14.540 And the Senate has only passed three out of their 12 appropriation bills, and they have roughly the same amount of time.

00:28:21.540 Why can't we pass any of these bills?

00:28:22.900 Here's why.

00:28:27.260 Well, number one, I don't know why.

00:28:28.740 They don't have them finished.

00:28:30.280 And I don't know.

00:28:32.120 I can't comprehend why they don't have them finished.

00:28:34.560 But you have the pulling and tugging.

00:28:37.200 Behind the scenes.

00:28:38.060 Yes.

00:28:38.320 Of those lobbyists saying, make sure this gets covered.

00:28:40.640 Yes.

00:28:41.240 And so they're packing in all the appropriation bills with all the crap, and then they have members like me that is saying, I will never vote for that. 0.70

00:28:47.840 Right. 0.95

00:28:48.340 And so that means that if you're leadership, you likely don't have the votes to pass these appropriation bills because the appropriation bills are so disgusting.

00:28:56.880 Well, it's like what we saw with the big, beautiful bill, and we got a closer look at how that process played out, but on a smaller scale.

00:29:03.260 Yes.

00:29:03.620 Okay.

00:29:04.100 Yes.

00:29:04.420 No, and then it's government funding.

00:29:06.980 And so what all your poor viewers are probably going to have to watch during September is we won't get appropriations done.

00:29:15.940 Oh, we're going to have to pass the CR.

00:29:18.540 Yep.

00:29:19.080 I never follow those battles.

00:29:21.100 I've made it a point in my 20-plus year career as a journalist to not pay any attention to that.

00:29:25.520 Good for you.

00:29:25.920 Because eventually the CR gets passed.

00:29:28.340 Eventually some agreement is reached, and I spared no agita during the process.

00:29:33.000 I was like, I have no tolerance.

00:29:35.060 I like a Congress.

00:29:35.840 I just, I feel like we have to move on without them.

00:29:37.840 You know, like.

00:29:38.680 Absolutely.

00:29:39.340 They're no good to us anymore.

00:29:40.640 But it's also the reason why we're $37 trillion in debt.

00:29:44.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:44.940 It's a broken system.

00:29:46.580 It's just a broken system.

00:29:47.840 So one you didn't mention, but I think is also in there, is AIPAC.

00:29:51.860 Yes.

00:29:52.220 We should talk about that because that's, it's the Israeli, you know, pro-Israeli American group.

00:29:59.060 Yes.

00:29:59.580 And they are also very good about recruiting politicians early on in their careers.

00:30:04.740 And they, like those other groups you mentioned, are deep-pocketed and would love to buy your vote.

00:30:09.560 Mm-hmm.

00:30:09.820 And now they're becoming more controversial because people like you are sort of saying, you don't own me.

00:30:16.640 Mm-hmm.

00:30:16.940 And there are a lot of politicians to my left and my right, and literally to your left and right, because Democrats and Republicans, who have been purchased, who now may not have the freedom to speak as openly about their thoughts on this.

00:30:29.900 And I think this audience knows, and I know where you stand, too, on Israel and all that, but I've been very pro-Israel, and I've been very defensive of their right to defend themselves in this nightmare. 0.90

00:30:41.080 Sure, of course. 0.82

00:30:41.360 And I've been very defensive of American Jews on campuses who are just being harassed, and it's ridiculous. 0.96

00:30:45.520 Of course.

00:30:46.260 But I have absolutely no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group, including AIPAC.

00:30:52.600 Right.

00:30:52.820 So I would love to know what they do to get the loyalty of politicians, because I will say, I have had multiple, multiple reach-outs to me, both from friends and from connected people in D.C., begging me to go to Israel with them.

00:31:10.160 Mm-hmm.

00:31:11.080 And I have said no every time.

00:31:13.720 I usually am just too busy.

00:31:14.580 I have three kids.

00:31:15.200 I have a full-time job.

00:31:16.100 Sure.

00:31:16.640 I'm not doing it.

00:31:17.540 But lately, it seems like it's coming to be even more, because I feel like there's a contingent of people who are worried that they're losing me.

00:31:25.780 Uh-huh.

00:31:26.540 And I've said that you're not losing.

00:31:27.860 I'm not on Hamas's side. 0.93

00:31:29.400 No.

00:31:29.880 God, no.

00:31:30.660 Nobody's on Hamas's side. 0.89

00:31:31.640 But it's been a while now that this has been going on.

00:31:34.800 Right.

00:31:35.320 And we're getting more involved with the Iranian bombing and so on.

00:31:39.540 Sure.

00:31:40.280 And my own feelings are, you know, I'm looking at Israel in a different way right now than I was on 10-8, that's for sure, of 23.

00:31:47.480 Right.

00:31:48.300 And I can feel the pressure being slightly ratcheted up, like you're not allowed to.

00:31:52.420 You're not allowed to.

00:31:53.380 Mm-hmm.

00:31:53.820 And I can see people like you, like Tucker, who I know.

00:31:56.980 I know Tucker.

00:31:57.820 I've known him for years.

00:31:58.680 And I've seen you in your early career.

00:32:01.340 I know you have nothing against Israel.

00:32:03.120 Oh, gosh, no.

00:32:04.300 Never mind Jews. 1.00

00:32:04.980 Yeah. 0.99

00:32:05.140 That's all a lie.

00:32:06.080 Right.

00:32:06.720 And I see the beatdowns coming.

00:32:08.600 Uh-huh.

00:32:09.260 Like, you're not allowed.

00:32:10.900 Like, you have to stay right on this lily pad.

00:32:14.480 Yes.

00:32:14.720 And you cannot jump to another neighboring lily pad because it could take you all the way down the river away.

00:32:20.160 That's right.

00:32:20.420 So I'm very interested in this dynamic.

00:32:22.020 Yeah.

00:32:22.440 Well, I find it fascinating that you're getting asked more and more and more.

00:32:25.840 I've been asked more and more and more.

00:32:27.600 Well, you're a person of very big influence.

00:32:30.120 You've got a big voice.

00:32:31.480 You've got a large audience.

00:32:33.320 They also take a lot of influencers.

00:32:35.660 They invite tons of influencers.

00:32:37.460 Many of whom have invited me.

00:32:38.580 Like, we're all going together, and will you come?

00:32:41.860 Like, they seem to be coming at me from a number of ways, which only really kind of raises my hackles.

00:32:46.760 Like, I'm not going.

00:32:48.480 Right.

00:32:48.600 I'm going to stay right here.

00:32:50.300 I can cover this conflict from here, and I don't wish to be wooed by any side.

00:32:54.940 I actually don't wish to be persuaded.

00:32:56.580 Well, have you been invited by any other foreign country?

00:33:00.840 No.

00:33:01.340 No.

00:33:01.820 Okay.

00:33:02.380 That's the part, right?

00:33:04.180 So we have tons of lobbyists, foreign countries lobbyists, that come to Washington, D.C.

00:33:10.880 Pretty much every country has some sort of representative.

00:33:14.000 They have an ambassador they send to Washington.

00:33:16.480 It's naturally in their interest.

00:33:17.920 We can understand that.

00:33:19.380 They also are required to register under FARA.

00:33:22.620 It's a law.

00:33:23.460 They have to register as a foreign agent, a foreign lobbyist.

00:33:27.200 That is required.

00:33:28.300 It's extremely important.

00:33:29.500 Here's the difference with AIPAC.

00:33:33.300 AIPAC is not registered under FARA, under this law that requires anyone coming to lobby

00:33:41.580 a member of Congress or a senator or department of the government and the federal government

00:33:46.280 on behalf of another country.

00:33:49.220 So AIPAC argues, oh, but we're Americans.

00:33:52.140 Yes, they are Americans, but they are coming to Congress and to the federal government asking

00:34:00.300 on behalf of the country of Israel.

00:34:02.860 And I fully agree with you, Megan.

00:34:04.800 We are not against Israel.

00:34:06.540 We are all for their right to defend themselves, just as we are for any Jewish person on campus,

00:34:11.300 just as I think.

00:34:12.340 And like, gosh, we could talk about young white males in high school that are constantly

00:34:17.980 getting beat up.

00:34:19.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.100 Guess what?

00:34:20.140 They should have a right to defend themselves, too.

00:34:22.120 And people should stand up for them as well.

00:34:24.120 We think anybody that is a victim should be able to defend themselves.

00:34:29.020 However, Israel is the only country I know of that has some sort of incredible influence

00:34:36.080 and control over nearly every single one of my colleagues.

00:34:39.380 And it is, it is, I don't know how to explain it.

00:34:44.300 I mean, I believe it just given the amount of reach out I've had in this position.

00:34:49.600 And I don't vote on anything, you know.

00:34:51.680 Yeah.

00:34:52.300 And if I had taken money, I could see them really thinking that they had a right to control

00:34:58.420 my speech or, you know, my positions, which is why I never have.

00:35:02.800 Of course, I mean, in what context would I?

00:35:04.440 I don't take advertising from, you know, random people.

00:35:07.780 Like I always say, I was like, I have Genucel, whose cosmetics are really nice.

00:35:13.080 We love good cosmetics.

00:35:14.500 Yeah, but like it can't be bought by a special interest group.

00:35:17.900 But I can see it because, look, no one wants to feel like their position has been bought

00:35:24.740 and paid for.

00:35:25.260 But these politicians, it's, they have.

00:35:27.680 And so I can see why AIPAC would get mad if these politicians then turned on them and

00:35:33.080 didn't support, you know, it's like, what did my 3,800 times three get me if you're not

00:35:38.920 going to vote for my issues?

00:35:40.940 Exactly.

00:35:41.600 Because AIPAC are Americans, therefore they can legally donate to members of Congress and

00:35:47.160 senators.

00:35:47.520 So let's talk about how that works.

00:35:50.440 AIPAC takes every single that they can, freshman member of Congress, their first year in Congress,

00:35:56.120 they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August.

00:36:00.400 That's our, August is our recess.

00:36:02.240 It's our, it's our month-long district work period.

00:36:05.500 That's the-

00:36:05.800 Dems and Republicans or just Republicans?

00:36:07.320 They take both of them.

00:36:08.440 Yes.

00:36:09.020 And they, they invite pretty much everyone to my knowledge.

00:36:13.160 So they take them on this trip to Israel.

00:36:15.720 They, they, I guess they go on tours all around.

00:36:18.180 I didn't go.

00:36:18.900 So I don't know what they do there, but they take them on tours.

00:36:21.800 Like the pictures we've seen recently of the Speaker and, and other members of Congress

00:36:27.420 at the Wailing Wall.

00:36:28.880 They've all gone.

00:36:30.120 They've all gone.

00:36:30.620 You see them all.

00:36:31.520 And they, and they wear the kippah.

00:36:34.180 They, and even though they're Christians, they're, they're not Jewish, but yet they're 0.99

00:36:38.600 adorning Jewish attire.

00:36:40.960 And they're at these Jewish religious sites.

00:36:44.440 Then they also meet with different members of the Israeli government.

00:36:48.560 No, we got to recognize the Israeli government is secular.

00:36:52.480 This is not the biblical Israel.

00:36:54.160 It is the secular government of Israel.

00:36:57.540 And so they meet with their members of, of, you know, all throughout their government and

00:37:02.440 the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu meets with them.

00:37:05.660 And so they've done that trip already this month.

00:37:08.220 The, the new freshmen and members of our leadership all went and they, they did that trip.

00:37:13.560 Here's what else they do.

00:37:14.860 AIPAC takes influencers.

00:37:16.320 They take really big people like you.

00:37:18.680 They want you to come over there.

00:37:20.420 They, they want to pull you in because they want to pull you on their, their side.

00:37:25.880 And, and why is that?

00:37:27.460 Okay.

00:37:28.580 For members of Congress, every single year annually, Israel receives, and we have to vote 0.51

00:37:34.940 on it.

00:37:35.340 It's a yes or no vote.

00:37:36.800 $3.8 billion in funding for Israel.

00:37:41.520 Now, what kind of, what does that money mean?

00:37:44.020 Well, they'll say, oh, well, this is for Israel.

00:37:46.800 Uh, it's, it's, it's them to be able to defend themselves.

00:37:49.700 They're the only democracy in the Middle East.

00:37:52.160 They're constantly under attack.

00:37:54.040 They're surrounded by their enemies.

00:37:55.560 The, who wants to annihilate them?

00:37:56.920 That's all true.

00:37:57.660 Sure.

00:37:58.080 We're not arguing those points.

00:38:00.340 However, let's flip over and look at, well, okay, well, what does this mean?

00:38:04.240 Um, number one, Israel is doing so well with their economy and I'm excited for them.

00:38:10.180 This is a big deal.

00:38:10.920 I wish we were doing this good.

00:38:12.620 We're $37 trillion in debt.

00:38:15.320 Israel is less than 400 billion in debt, less than.

00:38:20.020 If you're, if you're an Israeli citizen, you have government funded healthcare and you have

00:38:24.960 government funded college.

00:38:26.500 So why is America having to give Israel $3.8 billion?

00:38:31.700 If they're doing so great and they're funding healthcare and college and their government

00:38:36.480 is, is their economy is doing so well and their tax revenue is so good that they're less

00:38:41.520 than $400 billion in debt.

00:38:43.340 Why is dead broke America having to send $3.8 billion?

00:38:48.660 Well, then they argue back and they go, oh, but this helps America's economy.

00:38:52.940 Well, how, how is that?

00:38:54.480 Tell me how it helps.

00:38:55.780 Okay.

00:38:56.120 Well, because we buy money from your defense contractors. 0.93

00:38:59.420 Although guess what?

00:39:00.520 But this is really interesting.

00:39:02.640 We give a ton of money to all these foreign countries and, and, and if we, if it's military

00:39:07.060 aid, they're required to buy purchase weapons from our defense contractors, except Israel

00:39:12.540 is the only one with an exception.

00:39:14.520 They don't have to buy from our American defense contractors.

00:39:17.360 They can use that money to buy from Israeli defense contractors.

00:39:21.300 Oh, wow.

00:39:21.480 So there's a funny little, a little exception, just like the same exception that Israel has 0.98

00:39:27.220 that this just came from Judge McFadden.

00:39:29.640 He just had a ruling that you can burn any flag in the United States of America and including

00:39:35.520 our own American flag, except you can't burn the Israeli flag in America.

00:39:40.020 Who said that?

00:39:40.820 Judge McFadden.

00:39:41.660 In what context?

00:39:42.380 In his court.

00:39:43.660 It just happened.

00:39:44.180 Well, that's not going to be upheld.

00:39:45.820 It shouldn't be.

00:39:46.480 That's a violation of the first amendment, blatant, and it will be struck down as soon

00:39:49.540 as it goes up on appeal. 0.94

00:39:50.520 What a ridiculous notion. 0.96

00:39:52.540 Should be. 0.94

00:39:53.400 He said, and what he wrote is that the Israeli flag, it's an identity, a race, and it would

00:40:00.980 be a hate crime.

00:40:01.920 Yeah.

00:40:02.360 Wrong.

00:40:02.880 Yes.

00:40:03.240 Wrong.

00:40:03.500 That's getting struck down.

00:40:04.380 But I see why you're raising it, because I'm picturing, you know, look, I have a lot

00:40:10.860 of very close friends who are Jewish, who are very big supporters of Israel, and some

00:40:15.760 faction of them will say like, well, why would you platform an MTG?

00:40:19.860 She's definitely gone anti-Israel.

00:40:21.760 And I don't care whether you're anti-Israel or not.

00:40:25.160 Any anti-Israel people are welcome here.

00:40:28.320 Of course.

00:40:28.880 You're allowed to have that view.

00:40:30.160 It's a country that's involved in a war, and you don't have to be pro any country in

00:40:35.140 order to come here.

00:40:36.040 But I know you're not.

00:40:36.740 I'm not anti.

00:40:37.600 I know you're not.

00:40:38.160 Yeah.

00:40:38.820 But I am also sensing, I discussed this with Charlie Kirk recently, how we're just getting

00:40:44.000 to a place now, the more you tell me I can't talk to somebody about something, the more

00:40:48.660 I'm guaranteed going to do it.

00:40:50.440 No one owns me, and I will talk about it, and I will hear you out, and I want to hear

00:40:56.040 why you're having this kind of experience times 10,000, you know, like my little lily

00:41:00.980 pad, and you're way down there, and I can see you getting rained down on.

00:41:04.720 And I don't like it, Marjorie.

00:41:06.120 I have to tell you, I don't like it, because this is America.

00:41:08.780 You're allowed to have your view.

00:41:10.340 Israel's not America. 0.97

00:41:11.440 They're a friend to America, but they're not America. 0.76

00:41:13.340 No.

00:41:13.800 And we do have areas in which we have divergent interests, and it is our obligation, and yours

00:41:18.200 especially as a representative, to say when you see a divergence, you cannot reconcile

00:41:24.300 where you got to choose one.

00:41:27.020 Yes.

00:41:27.500 Right?

00:41:27.940 Like, that's what I see happening to you.

00:41:29.880 So what happened?

00:41:31.340 Did you, well, like, how did you find yourself in this place?

00:41:35.460 Because you stopped voting for funding for the Israel war?

00:41:39.540 Yeah.

00:41:39.980 It was easy for me.

00:41:41.080 I'm a business owner.

00:41:41.940 So right now, I feel like I'm part of a board of 435 members, 435 members of Congress, where

00:41:49.280 we should act like an executive board of a company.

00:41:52.180 And I feel like our company, the United States of America's federal government, is a company

00:41:58.160 that has sirens blaring, and we are on the verge of literally imploding and going out of

00:42:04.140 business.

00:42:04.380 Bankruptcy, yeah.

00:42:05.340 Massively.

00:42:06.500 I also pay a lot of attention to our economy.

00:42:08.920 Being a business owner in the construction industry, my success of my business, for as

00:42:13.740 long as I've run it, rises and falls with the economy.

00:42:17.820 And I'm very concerned.

00:42:20.200 The cost of doing business is extremely high.

00:42:22.860 The cost of living is extremely high.

00:42:25.460 Insurance is completely out of control.

00:42:27.520 Car, health, life insurance, business insurance, you name it.

00:42:31.120 Forget homeowner's insurance.

00:42:32.360 That's almost impossible to even find as an offering anywhere.

00:42:35.520 And if you're under 40, forget being able to buy a home.

00:42:37.960 Right.

00:42:38.240 They don't even have the hope of that.

00:42:40.220 You can't get a job.

00:42:40.640 I heard you and Tucker talking about how he was saying some 14 friends of his daughter,

00:42:45.480 they all graduated, three out of 14 had jobs.

00:42:48.380 I can see this in my, our kids are a little younger than college age now, but our friends,

00:42:53.020 some of them got started earlier and a lot of their kids are now graduating from college.

00:42:56.560 Great colleges, smart kids, cannot find jobs.

00:43:00.580 This is so heartbreaking.

00:43:01.780 So for me, it's not, I'm not anti-Israel.

00:43:06.240 I'm not anti-any country.

00:43:08.060 I've turned radically and unapologetically for America, just flat out for America.

00:43:16.160 I'm like, I'm sorry.

00:43:17.720 We don't have time to fund what you're doing.

00:43:20.080 No, we don't.

00:43:21.060 You guys are doing great.

00:43:21.940 If we have the extra, totally.

00:43:24.500 Yeah.

00:43:25.060 But we don't.

00:43:25.920 We don't have the money.

00:43:27.180 We don't have the money.

00:43:28.140 And not only do we not have the money, the middle class is turning into the working poor.

00:43:32.920 If you're, if you're.

00:43:34.140 Yes. 0.97

00:43:34.440 If you're a young married couple today and you make together over $100,000, you are dead 0.96

00:43:41.500 ass broke. 0.56

00:43:42.800 You are barely making it month to month. 1.00

00:43:44.820 You retweeted this on Sunday.

00:43:46.700 It's a woman who is out there on Twitter complaining about what her life is like, given the financial

00:43:53.240 situation she's in.

00:43:54.200 Here it is, top 55.

00:43:56.840 Hey, TikTok.

00:43:58.160 I'm just on here wondering if anybody's feeling the same way I'm feeling.

00:44:02.920 I'm from Illinois and I feel like the gas prices and the electric bills and the prices of food

00:44:12.020 is just so overwhelming anymore.

00:44:15.280 Like, I'm wondering if anybody else is feeling like they're drowning and they can't get out.

00:44:22.180 I work overtime and I cannot get above water.

00:44:28.480 I mean, I literally have no gas for next week.

00:44:32.920 It was either that or get a few groceries to get by.

00:44:37.520 I hit my local food pantries.

00:44:40.540 I'm just wondering if anybody else feels like they're drowning.

00:44:43.700 But, anyway, I hope everybody has a great day.

00:44:55.360 Oh, that poor woman. 1.00

00:44:56.580 You can see it.

00:44:57.380 You can see her trying to just keep it together.

00:44:59.260 Yeah.

00:45:00.220 But that woman, she didn't just lose her job. 0.99

00:45:04.000 She's not, she's not like, she's not somebody that refuses to work and is sucking off. 0.95

00:45:09.500 She has a job. 0.98

00:45:10.540 Working overtime.

00:45:11.820 Yep.

00:45:12.180 And she's going to the food pantry and she's sitting in her car so overwhelmed by the cost

00:45:17.760 of living and the ability, the fact that she can't ever get ahead.

00:45:21.400 She can't even keep up.

00:45:22.340 And she's sitting in her car alone, crying, pleading, trying to find some connection with

00:45:28.460 somebody on social media.

00:45:30.800 Megan, those videos are, oh my gosh, a dime a dozen.

00:45:34.600 They're all over social media.

00:45:36.680 What's the cause of it?

00:45:37.400 I look at that.

00:45:37.980 My first instinct is you should get out of Illinois and a blue run state and probably a blue run 0.76

00:45:43.760 city.

00:45:44.520 But I don't know that that's the magical elixir.

00:45:47.580 I can't.

00:45:48.160 I mean, and then how hard is that for her?

00:45:49.920 No, I know, but what causes it is because I lived in Illinois for five years and it's

00:45:54.840 like California is completely captured by the left.

00:45:57.300 There are some Republican voters, but they're not represented at all.

00:46:00.020 Thanks to gerrymandering.

00:46:01.340 Yep.

00:46:02.840 But that's, I'm not sure what they're doing with their money.

00:46:06.000 They collect it in large measure from their taxpayers and then like the teacher's union

00:46:10.440 may get it.

00:46:11.520 I don't see it trickling down to children or the working class or the poor.

00:46:15.620 It's not a bunch of social safety net programs that are helping people like that get

00:46:19.840 better.

00:46:20.840 And so I've, I've been wrestling with this for a past, the past few years as inflation

00:46:25.220 has gone up and people are really suffering.

00:46:27.240 Okay.

00:46:27.640 We can get rid of president Biden who spends like a drunken sailor and doesn't care.

00:46:31.760 Yeah.

00:46:32.620 Okay.

00:46:32.820 We did that.

00:46:33.440 It can't be fixed overnight.

00:46:34.840 No.

00:46:35.440 President Trump is also a spender. 0.76

00:46:37.180 Yes.

00:46:37.840 Um, is that the solution or is it local governance?

00:46:42.440 Like if you had your magic wand, where would you even begin to help?

00:46:47.400 I think it's unfortunately we've, we've gotten so far now we're in the, all of the above.

00:46:52.500 So here's our reality.

00:46:54.260 And this really, I mean, we were headed this way, even in the Trump, under the Trump administration.

00:47:00.020 Like I said, Republicans were big spenders.

00:47:02.520 President Trump spent a lot of money.

00:47:03.900 That CARES Act was 5.2 or 5.7 trillion.

00:47:07.860 The one that was passed at the very beginning of COVID that started, but then what the Biden

00:47:12.880 administration did is they spent an insane amount of money.

00:47:16.820 And they knew, they knew we couldn't afford it.

00:47:18.880 Like it had been too much already.

00:47:20.780 Yeah.

00:47:21.040 And they were told we don't have that 2.7 trillion or whatever that one was at the

00:47:24.060 beginning of, well, in early 2020.

00:47:26.780 And he did it anyway.

00:47:27.840 Right.

00:47:28.720 That was like, we had a wildfire going.

00:47:31.180 Late 2020.

00:47:32.000 Late 20.

00:47:32.400 Yeah.

00:47:32.880 We had a wildfire going and then it was like the Biden administration came and just poured

00:47:37.280 gasoline all over it.

00:47:38.620 And then now it's become a forest fire that's completely out of control.

00:47:42.240 And it's like, where do you start putting it out?

00:47:45.560 Like I said, so rescissions, we're doing rescissions.

00:47:50.420 That's where we cut USAID, NPR, CBP.

00:47:54.840 That came from my work on, I chair the Doge subcommittee on oversight.

00:47:59.000 That came from our hearings and that work.

00:48:01.260 And we put them into rescission cuts.

00:48:03.040 But Megan, you wouldn't believe it.

00:48:04.220 We had four Republicans that voted against it.

00:48:06.520 Didn't even want to cut NPR.

00:48:08.200 What?

00:48:08.980 Yeah.

00:48:09.300 That's crazy.

00:48:10.220 It's insane.

00:48:11.340 I mean, I love it.

00:48:12.140 And I love Doge, but it's teaspoons in the ocean, right?

00:48:14.680 It's entitlements.

00:48:15.680 If we're going to do government spending, that's the only place to really make up money.

00:48:19.820 Yep.

00:48:20.660 But then we have like, Americans are taxed to death.

00:48:23.500 You pay a tag tax.

00:48:25.080 You pay a gas tax.

00:48:26.660 You pay, you know, you're taxed on your sales tax, your property tax.

00:48:33.260 There's a death tax.

00:48:34.860 Death tax.

00:48:35.640 Yes.

00:48:36.100 You think taxing when you die.

00:48:37.800 Yes, when you die.

00:48:38.560 On money you already paid taxes on.

00:48:39.660 Yeah.

00:48:40.220 So there's, I mean, there's taxes on everything.

00:48:42.320 But then what has happened with this insane spending and the national debt?

00:48:47.360 So we, not only do we have $37 trillion in debt, we pay $1 trillion a year in interest

00:48:54.100 on our $37 trillion in debt.

00:48:56.980 Here's what I'm saying is, it's out of control.

00:49:01.320 It's like so out of control, but yet Washington is totally tone deaf to this poor woman and

00:49:07.680 the millions and millions of Americans that are just like her, that are crying in their

00:49:12.080 cars, they're making these videos.

00:49:14.880 God knows if they're crying on social media in their cars, I don't know what they're doing,

00:49:18.560 how they look and feel and emotionally and physically, how they're doing in their free

00:49:23.820 time.

00:49:24.560 But this is how it's totally failing America.

00:49:27.780 And your kids are not even out of the house yet.

00:49:31.520 My kids are trying to get started in their 20s.

00:49:34.220 And it's this whole young generations of Americans.

00:49:37.260 And Megan, here's what I think it's going to produce.

00:49:40.060 If Republicans aren't solving the problem, mainstream Democrats didn't solve the problem,

00:49:45.760 they created the problem, then many of these young people that are voters and should be

00:49:51.160 really starting to engage into the political process and voting for our country leaders

00:49:57.040 to fix their problems, they're only going to turn to radicals.

00:50:01.200 Because it's like, we're seeing it.

00:50:02.240 They're going to be like, screw the Republicans, screw the Democrats.

00:50:04.980 They're going to turn to radicals that are going to make like Mom Donnie. 1.00

00:50:09.600 He's pushing for full-blown socialism, if not communism.

00:50:13.380 Yeah, that's terrifying.

00:50:14.100 And he has huge support among young people.

00:50:16.080 And he can't pay for all that stuff he's promised.

00:50:17.860 No, oh, hell no.

00:50:18.660 It's all a lie.

00:50:20.080 It's like, sounds great.

00:50:21.640 And he's putting it to the system.

00:50:23.280 And he's like, I care about you.

00:50:24.900 But it's all a lie.

00:50:26.740 Like, he can't deliver it.

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00:52:06.280 I don't even know what to recommend to the young people.

00:52:10.200 I mean, certainly they should vote Republican over Democrat, but I don't know that Republicans

00:52:13.440 are their solution either.

00:52:14.860 You know, for a long time now, I've been feeling like the only answer is outside of government.

00:52:18.740 You know, the future has to be outside of government, has to be with people like Elon or David

00:52:22.720 Sachs or some big-brained person who's doing something other than legislating.

00:52:27.260 But the problem is the government continues to bankrupt us.

00:52:31.000 So no matter how well those other guys do or other solutions they come up with, we're still

00:52:35.280 stuck with all the spending, and it is our money.

00:52:37.700 Yes.

00:52:38.420 Well, so, but this is all, we won't solve it here, sadly, but this is all sort of background

00:52:43.120 to why you do not want to give Israel or any other country.

00:52:47.260 Right.

00:52:47.940 Because you're saying like AIPAC should register under Farah.

00:52:50.940 I assume you would say so should CARE, the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

00:52:54.500 Absolutely.

00:52:55.100 Anybody, anyone, I don't care who you are.

00:52:57.800 If you are coming and talking to members of Congress, anybody in the government, on behalf

00:53:03.340 of another country, even, let's go, let's talk about, what's that other one?

00:53:09.100 Christians United for Israel.

00:53:11.220 Like, they'll send a, you know, a pastor from my district into my office.

00:53:15.660 Well, they're from my district.

00:53:17.160 They should register under Farah.

00:53:19.100 So you're saying you don't, you shouldn't have to just be foreigners.

00:53:22.360 If your primary purpose is to advance the interests of a foreign government or a foreign

00:53:27.240 country, then you should have to register.

00:53:29.780 Absolutely.

00:53:30.360 Would that change their ability to raise money?

00:53:32.240 What would it, what would it do to AIPAC if that were to happen?

00:53:34.660 Well, I think that's holds, holds them accountable under the law.

00:53:37.460 Why do they get a pass?

00:53:38.800 Why does AIPAC get to take members of Congress, social media influencers, people like you with

00:53:46.160 giant shows, Newsmax, they took Newsmax, they take Fox News people, they take all these

00:53:51.700 people, they take them on the Turning Point USA influencers, they take them to Israel,

00:53:58.720 all expenses paid.

00:54:00.580 Well, I would never accept that.

00:54:01.940 Never.

00:54:02.840 Right.

00:54:03.680 Exactly.

00:54:04.360 So why do they get to do that?

00:54:06.500 Why does AIPAC?

00:54:07.580 I won't even go to Mar-a-Lago.

00:54:09.040 Like, I don't, President Trump tried to get me to go to Mar-a-Lago back in 2015.

00:54:12.660 I was like, hell no, I can't.

00:54:14.920 I can't.

00:54:15.620 I mean, like, I'm in a different business.

00:54:17.260 And the politicians, frankly, should see themselves in a different business.

00:54:20.660 I agree.

00:54:21.040 They have different people to whom they answer.

00:54:22.540 You know, I answer to my audience, they have to be able to trust that I'm not bought and

00:54:25.720 paid for by anyone.

00:54:26.900 I so respect that.

00:54:28.380 And politicians should be in the same business I'm in in a different way.

00:54:32.480 Yes, I completely agree.

00:54:34.240 It's very disheartening.

00:54:35.500 I, like, I have nothing against AIPAC.

00:54:37.740 I don't actually fully understand what they do.

00:54:39.680 I do have something against care.

00:54:40.900 But I agree that, like, all biases should be out and accounted for and obvious to anyone

00:54:49.700 who's being offered anything by these groups or asked to attend anything by them or in any

00:54:56.460 way going into business with them.

00:54:58.280 Yep.

00:54:58.620 That just makes perfect sense to me.

00:54:59.900 It makes perfect sense to pretty much everybody outside of this weird bubble of Washington,

00:55:05.680 D.C.

00:55:05.920 So I don't get it then.

00:55:07.460 But, like, why are you ostracized?

00:55:10.320 People are saying she's not going to win her next race.

00:55:14.000 You know, like, Trump's turned on her, they say.

00:55:16.060 Oh, he hasn't.

00:55:16.820 Okay.

00:55:17.120 So what's that about?

00:55:18.060 Like, is that not real?

00:55:19.240 Or is the GOP turning on you because of this?

00:55:22.360 Or is it just loud people who, you know, whose interests are more closely aligned with Israel?

00:55:27.640 Well, number one, President, so Donald Trump is the most attacked, I'd say, human being

00:55:32.000 ever by the establishment media.

00:55:34.800 I would say I'm the most attacked member of Congress ever by the establishment media.

00:55:40.380 I have supported him unapologetically.

00:55:43.280 They would love to be able to say, you know, TG and Trump have split.

00:55:46.980 And they're trying to say that, yet I talk to the president routinely, I text with him,

00:55:51.660 he and I have a great relationship.

00:55:52.760 You would know if things were not good.

00:55:54.320 Yes.

00:55:54.800 I can speak to that.

00:55:55.800 Yes.

00:55:56.420 Now, here's the other side of it.

00:55:58.460 I got elected on my own.

00:56:00.880 I didn't get elected with a Trump endorsement.

00:56:03.120 I beat eight men in a primary who I respected every single one of them.

00:56:07.200 I thought, wow, these guys are great.

00:56:09.540 How am I going to win?

00:56:10.940 But somehow I beat the heck out of all of them.

00:56:13.300 So I also have the, I would say, luxury of being very, in a very independent member of

00:56:19.720 Congress.

00:56:20.360 And I can disagree with the president.

00:56:23.500 I can.

00:56:24.300 And I have, I already have on multiple fronts.

00:56:27.640 The Genius Act that just recently passed that set up the whole system for stable coin.

00:56:33.980 And I didn't vote for that bill because it has a back door for a central bank digital currency,

00:56:41.180 which I am largely against.

00:56:43.400 And Speaker Johnson didn't allow us to do amendments on that bill to amend that part of

00:56:48.220 the bill.

00:56:48.600 So I said, I'm a no vote.

00:56:50.660 That was President Trump's bill.

00:56:51.460 You were against the bombing of Iran.

00:56:52.980 You said so.

00:56:53.680 Yep.

00:56:53.960 I was against bombing Iran. 0.99

00:56:56.740 I'm against paying for Israel to continue to keep bombing Gaza.

00:57:02.000 I think it's humanitarian crisis.

00:57:03.800 I've called it a genocide.

00:57:05.700 And children are starving to death.

00:57:07.420 I've talked to Christian pastors there that have told me that Christians have been killed

00:57:11.960 and children are being starving against.

00:57:14.080 I'm a Christian myself.

00:57:15.620 I'm against children.

00:57:17.280 Let's talk about that one.

00:57:18.180 Starving.

00:57:18.960 There, there's daylight between us because I believe that children are starving and hurting

00:57:24.480 in Gaza, no question.

00:57:25.780 But I blame Hamas.

00:57:27.460 I do see what's happening with the Israeli aid and the food trucks.

00:57:30.300 And they get co-opted by Hamas, by certain Palestinians. 0.95

00:57:34.500 And that's why, and the more suffering children they can get on a camera over there, the better

00:57:38.920 in their minds.

00:57:39.620 These are not honest brokers.

00:57:41.380 They steal from their own people. 0.80

00:57:42.740 They're happy to watch their children starve to death as long as they can put the emaciated 0.86

00:57:47.000 baby on camera. 1.00

00:57:48.340 It's disgusting.

00:57:49.500 They don't have the same value toward human life that we do. 0.96

00:57:53.000 And yes, that Israel has.

00:57:54.880 I'm not saying Israel's perfect.

00:57:56.260 They haven't executed this whole thing perfectly, not by a long shot.

00:57:59.000 But when I see what's happening with the starving children, I blame Hamas.

00:58:03.820 Well, they started it.

00:58:04.960 Am I wrong?

00:58:05.220 Why do you?

00:58:06.160 They started it.

00:58:07.200 So October 7th was unbelievably horrific.

00:58:11.400 It's unspeakable what Hamas did. 0.55

00:58:14.220 I totally blame Hamas. 0.61

00:58:15.700 The war wouldn't even be happening if Hamas hasn't done all the things that they've done, 1.00

00:58:20.740 right?

00:58:21.060 Firing rockets into Israel, kidnapping and murdering all these people, suicide bombers over the years. 0.80

00:58:27.800 Absolutely.

00:58:28.280 They started this and it's horrible.

00:58:30.760 I think it's Israel's, they can pinpoint areas, but they're just mass bombing everywhere 1.00

00:58:39.260 and the videos coming out of there are terrible.

00:58:41.400 I'll also say this, Megan, that conflict has been going on way, I'm 51 years old.

00:58:46.220 It's been going on way beyond before I was born or any of us were born.

00:58:50.140 I can't even tell you I qualify to solve it.

00:58:53.460 I think God is the only person that can solve it.

00:58:55.520 Mara Gaza is the solution? 0.99

00:58:57.260 No.

00:58:59.280 No, not at all.

00:59:01.820 My problem is, I mean, you use the word genocide, like I don't believe that, but I also don't

00:59:08.160 have any meaningful video or picture source that I trust.

00:59:13.040 Yeah, I think it's fair to say that no one does, right?

00:59:18.240 Although I haven't seen the number of dead children, injured children, starving children

00:59:25.860 coming out of the Ukraine-Russian conflict like we've seen come out of the Israel-Gaza conflict.

00:59:30.840 But isn't that because of the Palestinians and their amazing propaganda abilities? 1.00

00:59:35.280 Like, I think that's the reason, because the Palestinians put all this on camera and 1.00

00:59:38.540 release it, and they make sure that we see this, which is another reason to be suspicious

00:59:43.020 of it.

00:59:43.520 You know, I don't know what I'm being fed or for what purpose.

00:59:46.540 Yeah.

00:59:46.820 The Ukrainians aren't doing that, and the Russians aren't doing that.

00:59:50.340 But why not, though?

00:59:51.520 Why isn't Ukraine and Russia doing that to each other? 0.69

00:59:55.080 See, this is what-

00:59:55.740 Well, I don't know.

00:59:56.060 No, I think Zelensky's pretty good at propaganda.

00:59:57.920 Maybe, but I guess he doesn't have, like, the lifelong commitment to it that the Palestinians- 0.99

01:00:01.720 I mean, since I've been in news, the Palestinians have been doing this. 1.00

01:00:04.960 Yeah.

01:00:05.180 And they're very good manipulators of media, of cameras.

01:00:08.760 You've been in the news business much longer than me.

01:00:11.200 Yeah, I've been burned enough times by them.

01:00:13.780 Like, I've gone with their numbers over the years enough times to be like, oh my god, this 1.00

01:00:17.200 is another fucking lie. 1.00

01:00:18.280 All they do is make up lies and numbers. 1.00

01:00:20.040 Right.

01:00:20.280 Then you run with it, and, you know, if you're smart, you pay attention, you get burned, then

01:00:23.560 you realize, oh, I do not trust the Hamas Ministry of Health. 0.97

01:00:27.580 So that's kind of how I've come to it.

01:00:30.220 But I don't- I also feel like it's also undeniable that at this point, Israel has lost, or most 0.85

01:00:38.840 charitably, is losing the propaganda war.

01:00:42.240 And I know why.

01:00:43.600 They're not fighting it as well as Hamas. 0.90

01:00:45.820 They never have.

01:00:47.280 And I think people gave them a huge benefit of the doubt in the beginning of this war.

01:00:51.600 It was like, we were still getting bombarded by images and false facts by the Palestinians. 1.00

01:00:56.260 But it was like, you know what?

01:00:57.480 You can't- we're impenetrably on Israel's side. 0.98

01:01:00.220 We saw what you did on 10-7.

01:01:02.460 But it's been two years now.

01:01:03.820 Yeah.

01:01:04.680 And I know Israel says, well, we still have 20 hostages left, or whatever the exact number

01:01:08.980 is.

01:01:09.160 20 that are alive.

01:01:09.560 50, but I think they say- they think 20 or so.

01:01:12.380 That are alive.

01:01:13.040 Yeah.

01:01:13.180 But my question is, with all due respect to the hostages, how long can we justify non-stop

01:01:23.480 war based on the hostages?

01:01:26.600 And it's not that I have no empathy for the hostages.

01:01:28.700 It's just at some point, war must stop, or at least we have to stop funding it at some

01:01:33.580 point.

01:01:33.600 See, that's where I'm at.

01:01:34.640 We don't need to fund it.

01:01:35.800 That's where I'm at.

01:01:37.020 I can't fix it.

01:01:38.680 I can't even step in there and come up with a solution to repair it.

01:01:41.680 You want to know why?

01:01:42.400 I can't even relate to it.

01:01:43.940 I don't live there.

01:01:45.160 I don't live on either side.

01:01:47.020 I certainly do not support Hamas ever, never could, couldn't even defend them in any position. 0.97

01:01:52.580 However, I do know all the videos and pictures I've seen of these children.

01:01:57.120 I do know that.

01:01:58.160 But I can also say, Americans don't want to fund this anymore.

01:02:03.140 We just don't.

01:02:04.620 And I also can say, Israel, and even Lindsey Graham said it recently.

01:02:08.720 He said, if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could. 0.85

01:02:12.840 And you want to know what that is?

01:02:14.280 That's an admission by Lindsey Graham saying that Israel is completely competent.

01:02:19.220 Therefore, why are we funding it?

01:02:21.200 Can I ask you that?

01:02:21.960 Because my understanding is the reason, generally, that we fund Israel so much more than a lot

01:02:28.260 of other countries is where we started.

01:02:31.120 That they really are the only democracy in the Middle East.

01:02:33.740 There's only one Jewish state.

01:02:35.340 There's some 30 Muslim nations, but only one Jewish state.

01:02:39.660 So they need to exist.

01:02:41.800 They have no place else to go.

01:02:44.020 It's not an area of the world that's very hospitable to Jewish people.

01:02:48.080 Right.

01:02:49.060 And they are allied with the United States.

01:02:52.540 They seem to share a lot of our values.

01:02:54.180 So, like, you watch—I mean, this is a weird way of looking at it, but I look at what's

01:02:59.260 happening in Dearborn, Michigan, with, like, the call to prayer five times a day on the

01:03:03.200 streets of an American city, and Muslim immigrants coming over here and having seven children each

01:03:08.560 family.

01:03:09.480 And look at the birth rates in Europe right now, which are largely, like, non-existent for

01:03:16.040 white native Europeans, but sky high for Islamic immigrants, many of whom are Islamists.

01:03:23.880 And I think this is like an existential situation here, is it's so bad to have this one country

01:03:29.100 in the middle of the Middle East, which is a very rough neighborhood, you know, Syria, 1.00

01:03:33.780 Lebanon, that likes us, that will help us, that would, if we ever had a conflict there,

01:03:39.940 help with our military staging, that has amazing intelligence, that it shares with us, that

01:03:46.260 has amazing abilities to affect, you know, terrorist takedown plans, which is also helpful.

01:03:50.960 So, like, these strategic reasons make sense to me, too, for our understanding we don't

01:03:56.240 have endless funds to spend some there.

01:03:59.380 Yeah, that's been the thinking, and that's what Americans have largely believed, and that's

01:04:04.500 how the U.S. government has largely functioned for as long as I can remember.

01:04:07.980 Although, if you look at Israel, it's, you have to recognize, in the context of these

01:04:14.780 conversations, not only are they such a strong economic country, not only have they proven

01:04:20.160 that their military can almost, they're annihilating their enemy, almost, and they're going to finish

01:04:25.280 the job, and they're saying they're going to finish the job, they also have nuclear weapons.

01:04:31.520 This is a nuclear-armed nation.

01:04:33.760 So, you're saying you agree with all that, but we, they got it.

01:04:36.740 But I'm saying America is a sinking ship.

01:04:41.480 We're sinking so badly.

01:04:42.760 Our children have no hope of ever buying a home in the future.

01:04:45.800 We, we, we pass a budget that is overblown and ridiculous every single year, and we are

01:04:52.280 dragging, we're going to be 40, we're 37 now, it'll be 40 trillion in a matter of, who knows,

01:04:57.040 months or a year.

01:04:58.060 Respect to Israel and like the, the sense it makes to this alliance, you're, you're, what

01:05:01.960 I hear you saying is, fine, but they've got it.

01:05:05.740 They're actually not facing an existential threat right now.

01:05:09.200 They've devastated all their immediate enemies all around Israel. 0.97

01:05:13.440 So, look at the action.

01:05:14.940 If this were a situation where Israel actually were on the verge of not existing.

01:05:19.300 I think we'd have a different conversation.

01:05:21.120 Okay, I get it.

01:05:21.900 Look at the, we, I just go by, I'm a, I'm a action versus words person.

01:05:26.480 So, for me, I'm like, wow, the 12-day war with Iran, which I was totally like, we shouldn't

01:05:31.260 be doing this.

01:05:32.940 It, Israel's a nuclear-armed nation. 0.79

01:05:35.040 Look at the outcome there.

01:05:37.440 They did nothing to Israel.

01:05:39.120 They did, they did shoot missiles in there, but they did, they really do anything to Israel?

01:05:42.920 No.

01:05:43.720 And could they have?

01:05:45.000 No.

01:05:46.200 Israel's a nuclear-armed nation.

01:05:48.280 They're, okay, they're surrounded by their enemies, per se, and that's constantly said

01:05:52.100 over and over again, but Israel is a nuclear-armed nation. 0.61

01:05:55.380 They can nuke these people off the planet if they want to. 1.00

01:05:59.400 And they, they have proven with their actions what they will do to their enemies to the point

01:06:04.380 of, of, like I said, they're starving children, starving children in Gaza.

01:06:09.880 There are, Christians have been killed.

01:06:11.900 Christian churches have been bombed.

01:06:13.820 They are proving that these 50 hostages that are left and they're demanding back, they

01:06:20.680 are proving that they will turn the entire Gaza Strip to rubble to get their 50 people 1.00

01:06:25.460 back.

01:06:26.020 I think that's a country that America can say, they got it.

01:06:30.580 You got this.

01:06:31.400 But we're not doing the same thing for our people.

01:06:34.060 That's.

01:06:34.760 Right.

01:06:35.300 We're not, we're kind of losing our shiny city, shining city on the hill feel.

01:06:39.400 As you look back at our, our friend from Illinois and driving her car, and there are millions

01:06:44.100 more just like her.

01:06:45.460 Tons of them.

01:06:46.240 I mean.

01:06:46.680 They're filled in my district.

01:06:47.800 If you told me tomorrow that we're pulling all the aid from Israel, I would say, oh, good 1.00

01:06:51.280 God, who's going to decide where it goes?

01:06:53.980 I, you know, that's one of my other concerns here.

01:06:57.120 I'm like, write a check to Americans. 0.61

01:06:59.000 I, well, yeah.

01:07:00.240 I mean, that poor woman in her car, you know, or it's like.

01:07:04.520 Trump, Trump actually made some noise about giving a rebate to people from the tariff

01:07:08.780 income.

01:07:09.340 And everybody was like, thank God.

01:07:10.880 Real people were like that.

01:07:11.960 But, you know, sort of talking heads who work for like muckety muck magazines all said, tsk,

01:07:17.240 tsk, use it to pay down the debt, which is another thing.

01:07:19.540 But.

01:07:19.780 Right.

01:07:20.080 They didn't want that woman in the car getting it directly. 1.00

01:07:22.920 Yeah.

01:07:23.500 No, it's no, the sad reality is, is that.

01:07:27.540 So here's what I keep telling everybody in Washington. 1.00

01:07:29.940 I'm like, oh, you think we're going to win the midterms by spending all this stupid money 1.00

01:07:34.480 again, not solving everybody's problems? 1.00

01:07:37.160 Really?

01:07:37.580 Everybody's going to run out and vote for Republicans again.

01:07:40.400 It's not going to happen.

01:07:41.560 I think people.

01:07:42.420 Especially when Trump is gone.

01:07:43.780 He's not on the ballot.

01:07:44.860 That's right.

01:07:45.820 What happens then?

01:07:46.560 What happens to MAGA in the next presidential election?

01:07:50.060 I think it's, I think we're going to see all kinds of stuff happen.

01:07:53.880 There's all kinds of levels of MAGA, right?

01:07:57.680 There's your hardcore based believers.

01:08:01.020 Then there's newer adopters that maybe they came on in the last administration later, or

01:08:06.600 maybe they came on this time, like they're more Maha or independents that were like, we're

01:08:11.980 done with the Democrats.

01:08:13.300 We've got to find a new way.

01:08:15.120 I'm going to tell you, I think those new ones or a lot of them are going to fall off.

01:08:20.060 But I don't think, I don't think they're turning, yeah, without him.

01:08:22.500 And I don't think they're necessarily turning back to Democrats.

01:08:26.340 I think they're just falling off going, who?

01:08:29.400 Do you think there's anyone in the movement that they could get behind after Trump?

01:08:34.720 Right now, I think J.D. Vance has got the large lead.

01:08:37.400 That's what the polling shows.

01:08:39.720 But will he come out unscathed over these next?

01:08:44.840 No, no one does.

01:08:47.020 No, no vice president will.

01:08:48.140 And a lot of people are mad.

01:08:49.400 They want accountability.

01:08:50.320 I want accountability.

01:08:51.440 I'm still pissed off that schools were shut down, that what they did during COVID.

01:08:56.540 Remember all that?

01:08:57.480 Oh, yeah.

01:08:57.940 You were on the right side of all that.

01:08:59.540 All these people that died from taking a vaccine.

01:09:02.020 You wouldn't call Dr. Fauci doctor, which I have to say, hats off to you.

01:09:05.780 Thank you.

01:09:06.280 He did not behave like a medical professional.

01:09:08.100 He was actually involved, we believe, in causing the pandemic.

01:09:12.620 Yeah.

01:09:13.100 Never took responsibility for it.

01:09:14.320 We believe lied under oath.

01:09:16.040 He did lie.

01:09:16.600 Why should he get the honorific? 0.94

01:09:19.640 The man is walking around with a government taxpayer-funded pension today, and he got a pardon from a brain-dead president.

01:09:28.420 And tried to ruin the careers of good doctors who were speaking up, like Dr. J. Bhattacharya.

01:09:33.460 Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:34.880 He was, what, censored or he lost his social media.

01:09:38.380 Yeah.

01:09:38.620 And they tried to dismiss him as fringe and tamp down his conspiracy theory of, let's focus protection, meaning protect the elderly and not the young people.

01:09:47.240 Right.

01:09:47.500 So today, like, when I'm watching the news, yeah, 2017 talking points on the Russia hoax and all the bad guys, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper, and Hillary Clinton, and Obama, and all these people that's being talked about.

01:10:01.200 Here's the reality.

01:10:02.660 None of those people actually physically hurt me.

01:10:04.880 And for most Americans, especially younger Americans that are like, what happened?

01:10:10.080 Because if you're 30 years old, that was like, what, almost 10 years ago?

01:10:15.200 Right, right.

01:10:15.680 You were basically still in puberty.

01:10:18.620 You're going out, having a good time, enjoying your young adult life, and you were clueless about that stuff.

01:10:23.400 You're like, wait, why do I have to hate these people?

01:10:25.380 How is this going to help me?

01:10:26.300 How did that make my rent cost so much?

01:10:28.440 So, but yet what they do know is-

01:10:30.660 So some things the older people need, Marjorie. 0.94

01:10:32.840 Some of us need to see an indictment of someone like a Brennan or a Tish James.

01:10:37.340 Not everything is for the young people.

01:10:38.920 I agree.

01:10:39.480 But I take your point.

01:10:40.500 I agree with you.

01:10:41.580 I want accountability for all of that, but I want accountability more for the people that really hurt American lives.

01:10:49.240 There's this political warfare, and it's happening in the upper elites, but yet there's nobody fighting it for the regular people.

01:10:56.000 So, I mean, do you think a J.D. Vance could unite MAGA with the less MAGA-friendly Republican base, you know, like the old Republican base?

01:11:07.800 That's not really the base anymore.

01:11:09.780 Here's how I see it.

01:11:10.640 So, we have the baby boomer generation, which is my parents.

01:11:13.980 I don't know.

01:11:14.520 Is that your parents too?

01:11:15.380 Yeah.

01:11:15.740 Okay.

01:11:16.420 So, they're primarily Fox News watchers, right?

01:11:19.280 They have it on all day long on their television.

01:11:21.440 Yes, totally.

01:11:22.280 So, that's the Republican older voting class.

01:11:26.600 And then I'm Gen X.

01:11:28.200 I'm 51 years old.

01:11:29.720 And so, you are too.

01:11:30.640 Okay.

01:11:31.660 I'm 54.

01:11:32.900 Yeah.

01:11:33.340 So, we like barely survived growing up, right?

01:11:35.740 We had no parents.

01:11:36.520 We had no parents.

01:11:37.760 We were outside until the lights came on.

01:11:40.060 That's it.

01:11:40.220 Yeah.

01:11:40.720 And then we'd drink out of the water hose.

01:11:42.280 The parents had to be reminded that we existed at 10 p.m. service announcements on the TV.

01:11:45.400 Oh, my gosh.

01:11:46.680 Do you remember that?

01:11:47.680 Yes, yes.

01:11:48.360 It's 10 p.m.

01:11:49.400 Do you know where your children are?

01:11:51.860 Hello?

01:11:52.780 What?

01:11:53.260 How sick is that?

01:11:54.440 That's what we grew up in.

01:11:55.520 No car seats.

01:11:56.480 No seatbelts.

01:11:57.760 No baby seats.

01:11:58.440 None of that.

01:11:59.020 Nothing.

01:11:59.640 I love this conversation.

01:12:00.440 No restraints of any kind.

01:12:01.220 I could go for days on this.

01:12:02.120 Okay.

01:12:02.320 So, that's our generation.

01:12:03.980 And so, we're at this strange middle point where some of us are still in the establishment

01:12:09.780 Republican mindset.

01:12:11.220 But then there's a lot of us that are really independent.

01:12:13.580 And we're like going, hold on now.

01:12:15.740 Like, we're really kind of tracking and falling off. 0.98

01:12:18.360 And then anybody under 40, holy shit, where are they at? 0.96

01:12:24.560 They're like- 0.98

01:12:25.500 I don't know which way is up.

01:12:26.260 They're like, yeah, they're lost.

01:12:28.640 It's a major dynamic of everything there.

01:12:32.200 And so, what I see the future for the Republican voter, well, no one's going to fill Trump's shoes.

01:12:39.740 He's a billionaire.

01:12:41.380 He is a celebrity.

01:12:43.060 He owns beautiful resorts and hotels and golf courses all over the world.

01:12:49.760 He has a, I mean, the connections this man had before he even ran with every celebrity and sports icon. 0.98

01:12:57.220 Nobody will ever equal him on the give a shit meter. 0.97

01:13:00.660 No. 1.00

01:13:00.980 He doesn't give a shit. 1.00

01:13:02.720 Right. 0.99

01:13:03.500 You'll never find somebody who is as carefree as he is when, like, saying what they really think.

01:13:08.040 Well, even if we did, it'll never carry that weight because of who Donald Trump is.

01:13:13.740 And he was a lifetime Democrat who then became a Republican because he had to be one or the other to win the presidency.

01:13:20.020 But he's not really a partisan guy, which I think people have found very, very appealing.

01:13:25.100 Yes.

01:13:25.600 He knew how to speak to the right.

01:13:28.120 I mean, truly, to get elected as president, as a Republican, you need to say you're going to lower people's taxes, that you're going to be pro-life, that you're going to protect guns.

01:13:35.820 Right.

01:13:36.000 If you do those three things, even if you are secretly a Democrat, you could get elected president as a Republican.

01:13:41.960 I think that's probably a true statement.

01:13:43.500 So I think most people on the right did not give two shits whether he really meant it so long as he actually governed according to it, which he has.

01:13:50.700 But I think in his heart, he's really just not a partisan person, which is part of his appeal.

01:13:55.920 Absolutely.

01:13:56.500 Everybody coming up behind him is.

01:13:58.480 Oh, very much.

01:13:59.100 And it gave him credibility, right?

01:14:00.660 Like, oh, I was a Democrat.

01:14:03.140 I was friends with all these people.

01:14:04.400 Yes. 0.91

01:14:04.660 And now I'm burning down their system.

01:14:06.760 And I'm also, he came in at the same time, burning down the Republican neocon establishment, right?

01:14:12.820 He came in, America first, make America great again.

01:14:16.320 So he has, no one can fill his shoes.

01:14:18.480 Like, what do you mean?

01:14:19.460 What happened to free trade?

01:14:20.540 That was a Republican pillar.

01:14:21.800 He was like, no.

01:14:23.200 China.

01:14:23.520 Yeah.

01:14:24.020 Yeah.

01:14:24.620 Raised number one.

01:14:25.440 That's all he said.

01:14:26.320 China.

01:14:26.900 I know.

01:14:27.420 Like, there's so many things that we love about Donald Trump, but no one will fill his shoes.

01:14:31.740 So what happens to MAGA there?

01:14:33.300 Well, here's something really interesting.

01:14:34.820 The MAGA economy.

01:14:35.860 I love to talk about this.

01:14:37.020 So I came up as a Trump rally person.

01:14:40.700 Before I ran, I was like, oh, go to Trump rallies.

01:14:43.060 I love them.

01:14:43.740 These are great.

01:14:44.840 So there's a whole MAGA economy there.

01:14:46.820 There's people that ran food trucks and sold hot dogs, T-shirts, Trump hats, any kind of Trump memorabilia you could think of.

01:14:55.880 There's this whole entire economy, whether it happens at Trump rallies, happens online, happens in local races.

01:15:03.360 You can see them along the street corners at gas stations.

01:15:07.040 Somebody sets up a tent, and they're selling Trump gear and MAGA hats and all this stuff.

01:15:11.500 It's a Trump economy.

01:15:13.360 Well, guess what?

01:15:14.560 That is not going to exist under whoever this next banner bearer is that cannot fill these shoes.

01:15:22.400 So that's an entire thing that I don't know what happens to.

01:15:25.980 It's going to fall apart in some way because once it ends, it will fade off, right?

01:15:31.460 Who is Comey going to do shell art in tribute to on the beach after 47 is no longer with us?

01:15:37.480 Exactly.

01:15:38.140 It's really going to be tough.

01:15:39.100 Well, the real question is, will he be in prison?

01:15:41.620 But he's yet to remain.

01:15:42.920 Well, maybe his good friend Taylor Swift will help him navigate that.

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01:18:51.140 Can I ask you about some other things in the news around you?

01:18:54.700 I'm dying to ask you about Jasmine Crockett.

01:18:56.800 Oh, boy.

01:18:57.460 She seems like a nightmare.

01:18:58.900 She's delightful.

01:19:01.480 What's that like?

01:19:02.100 To work against her.

01:19:03.880 So she serves on oversight committee with me, and she's on my Doge subcommittee.

01:19:07.720 Great.

01:19:08.200 Yeah.

01:19:09.240 I'll tell you one of the funny things was we were having a committee hearing on oversight,

01:19:14.460 and it was really late at night.

01:19:16.200 And I was really irritated because I'm always like, why can't we work normal work hours like regular people eight to five?

01:19:21.260 I don't know what's wrong with Congress that we're always doing crazy things at 9, 10, 11, 2 a.m.

01:19:26.280 under Nancy Pelosi.

01:19:27.800 So we're on the oversight committee, and she is running off her mouth, and I shot at her about her massively huge fake eyelashes. 1.00

01:19:37.500 Yeah, this made news.

01:19:38.500 Yeah.

01:19:38.680 And I was like, well, you know, I said something along the lines of like, well, you can't read it because of your fake eyelashes.

01:19:44.980 Because she had all the information in front of her, and she's like, we don't even know what's going on, and da-da-da-da.

01:19:49.480 And, oh, my gosh, total explosion.

01:19:53.680 But she—

01:19:54.380 She insulted you, too. 1.00

01:19:55.800 She said something about a butch body. 1.00

01:19:57.500 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:58.220 She's nasty, too. 1.00

01:19:59.600 She's nasty. 1.00

01:20:01.240 Which I thought was absolutely hilarious. 0.78

01:20:05.360 I mean, I'm, you know, I'm like over 50.

01:20:08.680 I work out.

01:20:09.580 I'm like—

01:20:09.960 I thought it was below the belt.

01:20:11.020 I think you could say eyelashes, and you're still—yes, it's a personal comment, but it's not as low as what she said.

01:20:17.480 Right.

01:20:17.800 She loves to go low. 1.00

01:20:19.040 Yeah, and somehow Democrats, you know, they're supposed to love all women and never body shame and stuff.

01:20:25.400 How do you even like—there's no reaching across the aisle to that.

01:20:28.860 No, not at all.

01:20:30.120 Well, she's not a real person, so some interesting things that I've always observed about her is how she treats her staff.

01:20:35.900 She treats her staff like they are just beneath her. 0.98

01:20:38.960 I read that in the New York Post.

01:20:40.100 Can you confirm?

01:20:41.040 Yes.

01:20:41.860 Wow.

01:20:42.100 So she always has—one of her young male staffers has to carry her big, heavy handbag for her.

01:20:49.380 She just hands it off.

01:20:51.080 It's like, who does that?

01:20:52.320 Right.

01:20:52.660 Who are you, Beyonce? 1.00

01:20:53.960 Right.

01:20:54.420 And then I remember one time on oversight, she called one of her staff over, and she whispered something in their ear, and they ran off.

01:21:01.320 And then they came back with this big, white, fluffy pillow that they put behind her back. 0.52

01:21:07.060 And I'm going—

01:21:07.800 And some bonbons?

01:21:09.040 Yeah.

01:21:09.400 Like, what is this?

01:21:10.560 As they fed her grapes and fanned her?

01:21:12.560 Yeah.

01:21:12.780 So she claims to be, you know, from her people.

01:21:16.340 She puts on this image that she understands the black American struggle.

01:21:22.020 But let's face it, the girl went to private school. 1.00

01:21:24.640 She went on to, you know, I don't know what college and law school. 0.96

01:21:28.540 She went to—it's like, you—she's a complete fake.

01:21:32.040 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:32.340 She's as fake as her eyelashes. 0.99

01:21:34.280 She's as fake as her hair. 1.00

01:21:36.000 She's as fake as her fingernails. 1.00

01:21:37.780 And she is such a massive fraud. 1.00

01:21:40.980 Dare I ask about Laura Loomer? 0.85

01:21:43.620 Sure.

01:21:44.220 You and she don't seem to get along at all.

01:21:46.120 No, we don't get along.

01:21:47.840 So she's—I don't know Laura Loomer at all, but I see she's very aligned with—she's pro-Israel.

01:21:54.520 Mm-hmm.

01:21:55.640 And she's pro-Trump.

01:21:57.340 Mm-hmm.

01:21:57.580 And she's very effective at, like, digging and finding dirt on people, especially those who cross Trump.

01:22:04.260 Mm-hmm.

01:22:04.640 So I'm sure he likes her, you know, for among other reasons, that reason.

01:22:09.020 How did you and she get sideways?

01:22:10.900 Was it the Israel thing?

01:22:12.020 No, no.

01:22:13.080 I've actually known Laura for years.

01:22:14.980 We actually used to be friends back in, like, 2017 and 2018.

01:22:19.220 We were friends, not close friends, but we knew each other.

01:22:22.620 When she ran for Congress the first time, I endorsed her, donated to her, supported her.

01:22:28.220 When she ran the second time, she decided to run—she jumped a district, wanted to run against Daniel Webster, who's actually a conservative Republican.

01:22:38.220 And I said, hey, Laura, I don't think you should run against Daniel Webster.

01:22:41.820 I don't think you can beat him.

01:22:43.160 Why don't you jump to another district where there's an open seat, and you'll have a much better shot?

01:22:48.700 Well, she refused.

01:22:49.880 She said no.

01:22:50.840 She would not listen to anybody and ran there, and I was like, well—

01:22:54.700 What state is this?

01:22:55.320 Florida.

01:22:55.840 Florida, okay.

01:22:56.300 So I said, you know, I can't get involved.

01:22:58.660 I'm not going to endorse against him.

01:23:01.980 I'm going to stay out.

01:23:03.380 Well, she was furious at me, and then everything kind of plummeted from there.

01:23:07.920 So it actually started back then.

01:23:09.820 But she's—not only does she attack me all the time, she attacked Matt Gaetz all the time, she attacked Brian Jack, who used to work for President Trump. 0.99

01:23:18.480 She attacks some of the most loyal people to the president, people that are unapologetically America first, that fight—those of us that fight the hardest, for some reason, she attacks us the most.

01:23:31.760 Who's the best ally to you in the GOP?

01:23:34.520 That's tough.

01:23:35.320 It depends on the issue.

01:23:37.400 So a lot of conservatives—

01:23:38.700 Is there another one that comes to mind that's not bought and paid for, or like not?

01:23:42.220 Depends on the issue.

01:23:43.660 I would say the president's really mad at Thomas Massey right now, but Thomas Massey is not bought and paid for.

01:23:51.480 And a lot of our voting records are very similar.

01:23:55.320 So I can—

01:23:55.920 A lot of people tell me that they love him.

01:23:58.160 Thomas Massey's great.

01:23:59.020 And I'll say this.

01:24:00.740 I love President Trump, and I support him, and I'll fight for him.

01:24:05.580 But at the same time, I absolutely love Thomas Massey.

01:24:08.620 Yeah.

01:24:09.220 President Trump is not a Massey fan anymore.

01:24:12.040 No, he can't stand him.

01:24:13.380 And everyone—

01:24:13.900 He didn't get behind the big, beautiful bill.

01:24:15.560 Yeah, but think about this.

01:24:17.500 Do you want a United States Congress without Thomas Massey?

01:24:21.680 Everyone needs to think about that.

01:24:24.020 Number one, he was the only member of Congress that voted against the CARES Act, which was the COVID—the 15 days, when 15 days to slow the spread started, which I was overwhelmingly against.

01:24:35.280 I wanted the country to stay open.

01:24:37.220 Thomas Massey was the only one that voted no on that bill and called for a recorded vote and made everybody come in and vote and go on record for him.

01:24:45.240 He did that, and then there's many other things that he's voted against.

01:24:50.580 So in America, do we really want a United States House of Representatives without Thomas Massey?

01:24:57.980 Mm-hmm.

01:24:58.400 I don't.

01:24:58.960 We might get one, right, because Trump is pushing a primary challenge to him now.

01:25:02.960 Well, yeah, and it's his consultants that are dumping millions of dollars on Thomas Massey, but guess what?

01:25:10.100 There's been nobody come out to say they'll actually run against him from his district, and it's not working.

01:25:16.220 Oh, that's interesting.

01:25:16.900 And the same consultants and donors that are trying to totally murder Thomas Massey are the same consultants and donors that are propping up and trying to get Lindsey Graham reelected, and nobody understands that at all.

01:25:31.140 Lindsey Graham's probably one of the most—

01:25:32.940 See, you and Lumer are united on Lindsey Graham.

01:25:34.800 That's another area in which you guys could settle the dispute.

01:25:38.560 What I'm more concerned about, Meg, is that I'm concerned about the future for our children, and that's my main message is whether you like me or hate me, agree with me or disagree with me, no matter what AIPAC says about me, no matter what Mark Levin says about me, no matter what somebody on MSNBC—or now MSNOW.

01:26:00.740 Oh, God.

01:26:02.020 —says about me, and no matter what some lunatic like Laura Loomer says about me, I'm serving in Congress with a singular focus, and that is the future of our kids' generations, because right now, I don't see a future.

01:26:17.020 I appreciate what you're doing.

01:26:18.740 Thank you.

01:26:19.520 I do.

01:26:20.040 Honestly, you're always welcome here.

01:26:21.900 I like to have people with whom I have disagreements or who I don't know.

01:26:25.700 So I just think it's crazy to make the stakes, especially within the Republican Party, uniformity on every issue.

01:26:32.140 And Israel is a very dicey issue.

01:26:34.560 I mean, like, it's been two years of war with a lot of controversial things that have happened, even if you give Israel the benefit of the doubt on most of it.

01:26:42.440 So there's—I mean, like, they and their supporters need to understand they're going to take criticisms, and there are going to be people who see what they're doing as wrong.

01:26:52.400 And until they get better propaganda artists working for them—because honestly, as I say, even I look at this, and I'm like, what picture should I believe?

01:27:02.700 What video should I believe?

01:27:04.460 What—I believe I cannot trust anything coming out of Hamas, but where's the Israel side where they're showing me everything that really is happening that I don't know?

01:27:13.280 Anyway, I appreciate what you do.

01:27:15.640 Yeah.

01:27:15.920 Thank you, Megan.

01:27:16.560 Thanks for coming on.

01:27:17.320 Thanks for having me.

01:27:18.580 Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, thank you so much for being here.

01:27:21.620 We're going to talk to you again soon, and thanks to all of you for joining us today.

01:27:24.800 We're back tomorrow.

01:27:26.140 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 19, 2025

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Secrets of DC, the Israel Lobby, Jasmine Crockett, and the Future of MAGA

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