The Megyn Kelly Show - RFK Announces Presidential Run, and Actress Compares Christians to Taliban, with Alex Berenson, Isabel Brown, and Will Witt

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday.

00:00:16.100 Biden's Secretary of Education, the man who will lead the department's changes to Title IX,

00:00:21.680 which they're trying to make right now when it comes to, among other things,

00:00:25.040 transgender athletes in female sports, refuses to answer the question, what is a woman?

00:00:32.160 That explains a lot about their confused policy changes. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announces a

00:00:39.560 run for the White House as a Democrat, and the so-called tolerant left immediately goes after

00:00:44.660 his wife. Joining me now to discuss that and much more, journalist and best-selling author Alex

00:00:50.380 Berenson. Alex posts his reporting to Substack on his Unreported Truths publication. Alex,

00:00:57.580 welcome back to the show. Great to see you. Thanks for having me, Megyn.

00:01:01.300 So Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has made heads explode on the left because he got out there and said,

00:01:08.680 you know what, you silenced me for all these years. This is what happens. Here's a taste of

00:01:13.440 what he said during his announcement yesterday, SOT 7.

00:01:16.000 This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years.

00:01:26.340 I got a lot to talk about.

00:01:31.080 They shouldn't have shut me up that long because now I'm going to really let loose on them for the

00:01:35.580 next 18 months. They're going to hear a lot from me.

00:01:38.580 This is what happens when you ban somebody from speaking out. They run for president,

00:01:46.160 so I assume I'm about to get your announcement. You're in.

00:01:51.060 No, no, I'll let other people go into that lines then.

00:01:59.400 But you and he are similarly situated in that way, right? I mean, you were treated much as he was,

00:02:04.400 just as a purveyor of disinformation, one who cannot be heard from, one who the Biden White

00:02:10.860 House said must be shut up. Yes. Well, now I've sued, you know, I've sued Joe Biden. I've sued

00:02:17.160 several officials in the White House and I've sued a couple of Pfizer board members, including the

00:02:22.720 chairman of the company. So we'll see. And by the way, you know, the news of the lawsuit

00:02:27.640 respectively has been censored. The media will not report on it, even though it builds on my

00:02:35.020 successful lawsuit against Twitter. And even though I have hard evidence presented in the suit

00:02:42.060 that the White House specifically demanded in 2021 that Twitter banned me and that a board member at

00:02:50.120 Pfizer named Scott Gottlieb also got involved and demanded that I be banned. I mean, it's really

00:02:55.040 stunning, as I wrote last week on Unreported Truths on the Substack, if, let's say in 2020,

00:03:03.580 the same thing had happened with Trump, because, you know, in 2020, I was writing a lot about school

00:03:07.320 closures and writing about how the lockdowns were a mistake and masks didn't work. Let's say that the

00:03:13.460 Trump administration had gotten mad at me about that. And Jared Kushner had gone to Twitter and said,

00:03:20.400 hey, you got to get this guy off. You know, he's telling people not to wear masks and that's really wrong.

00:03:25.060 And then Twitter had banned me. And let's say that I figured that out and I'd gotten hard evidence and

00:03:29.860 I'd sued the Trump administration. I mean, that would have been, Megan, you can imagine it would

00:03:34.160 have been a huge front page story. And there would have been talk about how Trump hates the First

00:03:38.700 Amendment and this is immoral. And how can we prevent a journalist from speaking? And I mean,

00:03:44.060 really, it is exactly the same thing. It's just a year later. And I was really talking about vaccines

00:03:49.160 or not and not even I don't call the mRNA shots vaccines. They are not traditional vaccines. I was

00:03:54.800 talking about the mRNA shots from Pfizer and Moderna. And, you know, the White House and Pfizer went to

00:04:01.640 Twitter, pushed on me or, you know, push them to ban me. And and ultimately Twitter did. And that story, I mean,

00:04:09.600 aside from the conservative media, has just been completely ignored.

00:04:13.000 Mm hmm. Well, it's crazy because this is not the only lawsuit like that now pending against the

00:04:19.020 Biden administration. There's one brought by Missouri, by Louisiana against the Biden administration for

00:04:24.140 doing the same. And interestingly, that one got passed motion practice and is in discovery right

00:04:28.840 now. So these they've been getting really interesting documents from the Biden. That's why Fauci had to sit

00:04:34.640 for a deposition in that in the context of that case, which is alleging the same kind of thing.

00:04:39.980 And we've had some press reaction to that one, which I was looking at prior to you coming on. And I

00:04:45.220 I had to say I was, you know, horrified, but also slightly bemused by it, Alex, where

00:04:50.400 reason did a great write up of some of the reaction, including from The New York Times,

00:04:54.900 when they saw this lawsuit followed by the AGs of Missouri and Louisiana. They point out New York

00:04:59.760 Times reporter Stephen Lee Myers, quoting now from Reasons 2923 piece. The law he's warning the New York

00:05:06.800 Times is that the lawsuit could disrupt the Biden administration's already struggling efforts to

00:05:12.740 combat disinformation. This guy, Stephen Lee Myers, worries that the First Amendment has become, for

00:05:17.940 better or worse, a barrier to virtually any government efforts to stifle a problem that in the case of a

00:05:24.000 pandemic threatens public health. And in the case of integrity of elections, even democracy itself.

00:05:31.220 You see, that pesky First Amendment is so annoying when one is trying to be a democracy.

00:05:38.100 I mean, doesn't The New York Times get the joke here? Like they don't exist in a country that doesn't

00:05:43.920 have, you know, strong press freedoms on the First Amendment. It is just bizarre to me to see

00:05:48.920 journalists calling for censorship. And they've done it sort of more and more explicitly in the last

00:05:53.820 couple of years. It's it's really odd. So this I I'm going to have to do something here that kind

00:06:00.400 of makes me feel bad. Jeremy Peters of The New York Times occasionally comes on the show and I like

00:06:05.120 Jeremy, but he was part of Nerd Prom in covering the Fox Dominion lawsuit. You know, all the media

00:06:10.660 reporters went out there. They were in the offsuit. They're so excited to see Fox get its comeuppance

00:06:14.720 and then won't want single tear. They settled. So I applaud him for his honesty in admitting how

00:06:20.900 important this was to him. You know, it's I'm sure it doesn't hold a candle to Brian Stelter's

00:06:26.280 disappointment. But, you know, to your point, most I think most sane reporters did not love this

00:06:32.660 lawsuit unless they hated Fox News like the First Amendment, the standards for defamation, what a

00:06:38.000 journalistic, excuse me, outlet could say and could not say how, you know, about a public figure,

00:06:43.540 which is something we should be protecting as journalists. We should want that to be as expansive

00:06:46.680 as possible there. Everything was flipped on its head because the defendant was Fox News.

00:06:51.680 So screw them. Let's see them lose. And here's Jeremy on The Daily, which is The New York Times

00:06:57.100 podcast, talking about the day that it was becoming apparent that they were about to settle. Listen.

00:07:04.000 And what are you think might be going on? I almost threw up.

00:07:08.320 I. I'm serious. Why? Well, I've spent so much time and mental energy on this case.

00:07:22.080 And he did not want to see it go away, Alex.

00:07:26.900 It's so crazy. Look, I wrote about, you know, the Fox Dominion case yesterday, again, on the

00:07:35.380 Substack on Unreported Truths, which because, because look, I actually went on Fox. I was on

00:07:41.300 with Tucker in November 2020 saying, look, Biden is going to be the president. And frankly, from my

00:07:46.580 point of view, since I'm not a Republican, I'm a registered independent. And, you know, my main

00:07:51.220 interest in 2020 was not that, you know, Donald Trump get another four years when he had not won

00:07:57.140 the election. It was that it was that that we get past COVID, right, that we that we end the school

00:08:03.920 lockdowns and that we end the mask requirements and that, you know, we we we never have an idea

00:08:09.220 of another national lockdown, which the Biden administration was sort of hinting at, you

00:08:13.240 know, before they took office, although thankfully they never did that. And so I said I said on the show,

00:08:18.660 I said, look, the Republicans have to make a decision here. Are they going to fight for Donald Trump

00:08:23.660 and get latched to him even more? Are they going to fight COVID restrictions? And ultimately, I mean,

00:08:29.800 you know, again, I'm not a Republican, so it was easy for me to say that. But the base demanded that,

00:08:34.980 you know, that that Trump that had become that be about Trump. And I think that was bad for the

00:08:39.940 country. And I think January 6th was terrible for the country. So all that's true. OK, you can know

00:08:46.380 that and still be disgusted by the press response to Dominion v. Fox for a couple reasons. I mean,

00:08:52.980 you mentioned one of the reasons. Another reason, though, it goes even further than that.

00:08:57.040 Fox essentially got in trouble not for statements that they were making, but for statements that

00:09:01.920 their guests were making. And that is a really, really huge expansion of libel law. And it's going

00:09:09.580 to make it hard. I mean, it's going to mean that these places aren't going to want to quote anybody

00:09:14.740 with a controversial opinion. If just quoting somebody or allowing them to use your airwaves

00:09:19.560 can get you in trouble for a defamation suit. How can you ever have a debate where there's two

00:09:24.600 sides and one side might be saying things that, you know, a lot of people don't like? So I thought

00:09:29.160 that was crazy. I thought the fact I mean, I think Fox essentially was a was forced to settle because

00:09:34.120 the documents look so terrible. But they settled for far more than that suit would have been worth,

00:09:38.920 you know, in a real economic way. I mean, how can Dominion have said they lost a billion dollars?

00:09:43.920 Like, where are the losses? Right. They didn't. Did they lose any contracts as a result of this?

00:09:49.280 So they didn't. They were baking in punitive damages into that settlement and the price to

00:09:53.320 keep Rupert and the top talent off the stand. Exactly. So this so this is a this is but that

00:10:00.440 means the combination of the expansion of defamation law and the giant settlement puts a target,

00:10:08.200 I think, on every news organization. And yeah, maybe the Times thinks they're they're not going to get

00:10:12.280 in trouble here, but somebody is going to sue them. And, you know, southern Mississippi and,

00:10:16.600 you know, and we'll see what happens. Yeah, I agree. It's as a journalist,

00:10:20.740 you should not be rooting for this case to go anywhere, really. I mean, I tried to cover it

00:10:25.020 openly and fairly, but it's it's tough to root for Dominion to get a huge judgment against a

00:10:29.960 journalistic outfit for covering claims being made by the president of the United States and his lawyers.

00:10:35.120 And I realize there were extraordinary circumstances here. I will say this. This is like all my friends.

00:10:39.820 I like Jake Tapper as well. But he also had this sort of, you know, strong reaction to the to the

00:10:47.760 settlement. And to me, it's just indicative of these other news organizations, whether it's the Times,

00:10:53.440 MSNBC or CNN playing a little too holier than thou when it comes to journalistic integrity,

00:11:00.720 which I grant you Fox was not the example of in covering the Sidney Powell stuff. But, you know,

00:11:07.520 look at how the others pretend they've never screwed up massively and repeatedly and on huge national

00:11:14.780 stories. Here's a bit of Tapper. And is this where he reads to himself or is this where he's

00:11:19.600 interviewing the Dominion lawyer? He's reading the Fox News statement after the verdict. Here it is.

00:11:26.500 Fox trying to put a positive face on what can only be interpreted as one of the ugliest and most

00:11:34.280 embarrassing moments in the history of journalism. Fox issued a statement saying, quote, we are pleased

00:11:40.300 to have reached a settlement of our dispute. Dispute. The settlement reflects. I'm sorry,

00:11:46.700 this is going to be difficult to say with a straight face. This settlement reflects Fox's

00:11:50.540 continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards. We are hopeful that our. Sorry.

00:11:56.560 Wow. When do you make of that? I mean, he's not even pretending, is he? It's well, look,

00:12:05.200 if you're CNN, you know, you've been sucking Fox's exhaust now for 20 plus years. And so this probably

00:12:12.600 feels pretty good if you're Jake Tapper. I mean, what is Tucker's audience? Ten times Tapper's? I mean,

00:12:17.520 you know, it's a, so there you go. Right. I mean, so, so CNN hasn't had a lot of good news

00:12:27.020 on the business front or, or, you know, in the last few years. And so this is, this is exciting

00:12:33.260 for them. But, you know, I will, again, it's bigger than, look, Fox screwed up. And the way these

00:12:39.980 stories were written was, well, Fox screwed up because it was serving its audience, right? It didn't

00:12:44.480 want to say no to its audience. And the point I made yesterday in, in, in the, on the sub stack

00:12:49.920 was substitute New York times for Fox and MRNA vaccines for 2020 election. And you have exactly

00:12:58.160 the same thing. You have a news organization that will not challenge the preconceptions of its viewers.

00:13:06.100 And this is something I think people don't understand that as the business of journalism has

00:13:11.600 moved from ad supported to subscriber supported, this has actually gotten much worse because the

00:13:17.480 times used to be, you know, Bloomingdale's and Tiffany and, you know, whoever paid most of the

00:13:24.600 bills. They were most of the revenues and they, you know, the Arthur Salzberger could say to Bloomingdale,

00:13:30.800 I mean, Bloomingdale's never told the New York times what to write. We wrote what we wanted. Now it's

00:13:36.220 the subscribers who pay the bills and the subscribers are all hard left and the times knows

00:13:41.900 it very well. And so it is very hard for the times to aggressively challenge the political

00:13:48.760 predilections of 95 or 98% of its readers. And you see it even, they don't even like the fact that,

00:13:55.720 you know, Brett Stevens is allowed to have an opinion column. So, so it's exactly the same dynamic

00:14:01.080 that got Fox in trouble at play at the New York times. It's just the times, uh, or, or because

00:14:06.940 of the lawsuit, we got access to what the Fox people were saying, which is we don't really want

00:14:11.480 to challenge our audience. And I don't, I mean, like to me, I understand there were doubts expressed

00:14:16.540 at the highest levels at Fox about the Sidney Powell claims and so on. Is it better if the internal emails

00:14:23.700 at a place like CNN all show get on the knee to King Fauci Fauci's right again? Look at these terrible

00:14:32.300 naysaying doubters like Alex Berenson. He he's never coming on CNN again, this insane lunatic. And then

00:14:38.900 when the facts show you were right, no acknowledgement that they suppress truth, that they spewed lies

00:14:45.340 that actually did endanger people's lives, you know, unlike, Oh, did Sidney Powell tell the truth or not?

00:14:50.720 Right. And there's no, there's no acknowledgement. I'm just saying, not saying Jake Tapper did that,

00:14:55.180 but his network certainly did. So, you know, you have to be really careful when you cast these stones.

00:14:59.920 Yep. No, it's, it's, and, and, you know, look, this is still happening. Okay. The mRNA vaccines are

00:15:07.740 effectively, you know, not being used anymore. Right. I mean, almost, I mean, basically the whole world

00:15:13.720 has walked away from them, but look at the death data. Okay. Last week, uh, England's, England's mortality

00:15:20.640 this was the numbers reported last week. So I guess it was 10 days before that. So we're,

00:15:25.020 we're going back to sort of the end of March, but this, the most recent week of data or the,

00:15:30.700 the most recent sort of non holiday week of data available deaths in England were 20% above normal.

00:15:37.920 Okay. When that happened in 2020, because of COVID, we shut down the world. And now there's not even an

00:15:44.480 acknowledgement that this is happening. And it's not one week in the UK. It's happening all over

00:15:49.620 Western Europe. It's happening in East Asia. All the countries that use these vaccines

00:15:54.440 are having really bad ongoing mortality numbers and no one forget solving, figuring out what's

00:16:01.040 happening. No one is even covering this. Well, and right. And we don't know what the

00:16:06.320 causation is. It could be related to deaths of despair and the wake of the pandemic and all that,

00:16:10.540 but it is disturbing how there isn't the desire to do an in-depth study to figure out. That's what

00:16:16.560 makes me so, so upset about the vaccine. And so relieved I didn't give it to my kids.

00:16:21.160 It's just, I, why can't we take an honest look at what if any damage was caused by them?

00:16:26.420 Because maybe these same brilliant minds that came up with a vaccine in the first place could

00:16:30.240 come up with a cure for the people who actually were vaccine injured.

00:16:34.840 Well, yes. I mean, at the least we should be talking about, you know, is this, you know,

00:16:39.580 what's really happening with the death numbers? What are these sorts of, there's, you know,

00:16:42.720 there's been a couple of disturbing studies showing long-term changes in your immune response

00:16:47.700 to COVID post-vaccination that don't occur when you're naturally infected and recovered.

00:16:52.160 There's stuff that we, if we were serious without panicking and I, and I'm not one of these people

00:16:57.000 who says, you know, people are dying in the street. I mean, it's clearly not true. Or, you know,

00:17:00.760 in five years, you know, it's all gonna, you know, it's all gonna be awful and it's gonna be

00:17:05.460 zombies roaming the globe. I mean, forget that stuff. There is real, there are real scientific

00:17:11.400 questions that should be being pursued at sort of high levels by the NIH that the FDA and the CDC

00:17:18.040 should be pushing the vaccine companies to try to answer. And because everyone is so scared of what

00:17:23.320 the answers might be, they won't even ask the questions. You raised a point, I think it was on

00:17:28.340 your sub stack the other day about how the times though, you know, and it's experts seem to be coming

00:17:35.300 to grips with reality when it comes to these vaccines. The worst COVID reporter in America.

00:17:44.520 What's her name?

00:17:46.540 Apoorva, yes.

00:17:47.640 Apoorva Mandevelli, right?

00:17:49.420 I don't know if she's the worst. It's heavy competition, but she's up there.

00:17:52.740 She's terrible. She's the one who said some nearly 900,000 kids had been hospitalized due to COVID,

00:17:57.600 which was an overstatement by like, it was like 65,000. And then they kept letting her report.

00:18:02.640 Like she continued to report. She completely downplayed the study that showed that there

00:18:07.460 were potential downsides for 65 and older when it came to stroke. She said, oh, they're all clear.

00:18:13.800 No problems whatsoever with these boosters. When even other honest news organizations like, oh,

00:18:17.740 the latest study shows it could increase the risk of stroke for seniors. Anyway, she, you point out,

00:18:24.380 went around to some experts and even her favorite experts who were like, booster, booster, booster,

00:18:28.640 booster, finally said, no, don't do it.

00:18:32.060 I mean, it's a great point, Megan. So I can't remember when the story was, it was maybe two,

00:18:36.560 three weeks ago. But so the most striking person in that story, which I wrote about in the stack,

00:18:43.020 because I was so stunned to see the quote in the New York Times, is a doctor named Paul Offit.

00:18:48.860 Now, Offit is very pro-vaccine. You know, I think he actually has a patent on,

00:18:53.960 not on a COVID vaccine, but on maybe a rotavirus vaccine. He's always, you know,

00:18:58.780 he's always been quoted as being very, you know, I don't like vaccine skepticism. It's danger. You

00:19:04.320 know, he's, he's, he's a, he's a vaccine advocate to start to finish. And in 2021.

00:19:09.680 He said, and just, this is from your piece, just to interrupt and give you back what you wrote.

00:19:14.380 You pointed out that in April, 2021, he wrote, I don't think you could have devised a vaccine that

00:19:19.820 appears to be more perfect. That's right. I mean, that's funny. That's two years ago,

00:19:24.900 but I mean, not, not 20 years ago, two years ago, he's quoted saying that, well, what does he tell

00:19:30.580 Aporva? He says, no one, not young people, not immunocompromised people, not old people,

00:19:37.740 no one should get more boosters with the data we now have. I mean, that is a stunning repudiation

00:19:43.900 because I mean, that goes further actually, than even a lot. I think, you know, a lot of people have

00:19:48.480 questions about the vaccines would go. I mean, people, a lot of people would still say, well,

00:19:52.220 maybe if you're, you know, 80 years old, it can't hurt to have a booster. I mean,

00:19:57.000 Offit, Offit said, nobody, he said, we just don't have data right now showing that it's pretty,

00:20:02.720 that's pretty striking considering what he said two years ago.

00:20:06.220 Yeah. He said, given the lack of data, I don't think it's fair to say to people,

00:20:10.620 inject yourself with a biological agent.

00:20:14.020 I want to go ancient. He wasn't calling them that two years ago.

00:20:19.480 No, that's right. But again, there'll be no accountability for the universal cheerleading

00:20:25.160 we got from people like Aporva and the experts she cites in here. And no, you know, true coming

00:20:30.980 to Jesus over what they did to people like you who were raising doubts at the time saying,

00:20:35.120 here's what I'm seeing. You know, you were shut down. That's why you're suing. And it'll be really

00:20:40.120 interesting to see what you get in that lawsuit. We definitely will be following it.

00:20:45.400 Getting back to RFK, I do think it's interesting that not only does he get attacked,

00:20:50.020 of course, every single headline about JFK, RFK Jr. is anti-vaccine, anti-vaxxer, anti-vaxxer. You

00:20:57.920 cannot mention RFK Jr. without saying that apparently. But now they're turning on his wife,

00:21:03.700 Cheryl Hines, the actress who stars in Curb Your Enthusiasm. She used to be funny. She's not now. I mean,

00:21:09.380 they're just so nasty, Alex. I guess you're familiar with this to some extent, but I have

00:21:14.480 to say I was slightly taken aback. Did they not know that these two were married?

00:21:17.920 No, I mean, this has come up before, but it's gotten worse. And it's like they want her to

00:21:22.240 repudiate him publicly. It's almost like they want her to divorce him. It's right. I mean, A,

00:21:28.380 you know, she's not responsible for what he says. All she did was introduce him, by the way. She just

00:21:34.280 introduced him. Right. Like, who are you to, I mean, it's just, I mean, it's guilt by association,

00:21:39.740 right? It's, you know, it's like, it's like, I mean, I, you know, I don't want to, I don't want

00:21:45.020 to say anything too inflammatory, but, but guilt by association is a classic tactic of, you know,

00:21:50.360 the Soviet regime, other, you know, communist and fascist regimes. And, and by the way, it's,

00:21:56.480 you know, it's, it's happened to me. Like, it's, you know, it's funny. Like, I mean, funny is the

00:22:02.860 wrong word, but you know, I, people who I respect actually, and would like to have conversations

00:22:09.460 with are afraid and know that I'm serious. Like, and know that I know what I'm talking about are

00:22:14.020 afraid if they talk too much to me publicly, uh, you know, they're going to get, uh, they're going

00:22:19.760 to get smeared for it. It's, it's really a stunning. Even now, even that you've been validated

00:22:25.740 in so many of your criticisms. Yes. Even now, I mean, you haven't seen me on CNN or MSNBC. You

00:22:33.000 haven't seen me quoted in their times. You've been seeing this lawsuit quoted. Uh, Megan, look for

00:22:38.200 better or worse. I'm the only person ever, as far as I know to, to have been reinstated by a social

00:22:44.360 media company following a lawsuit over a ban. Okay. If nothing else, I said this a couple of

00:22:50.220 days ago, that's a news story, right? When something's only happened once, it's a news

00:22:54.660 story when it happens. And honestly, if you run Twitter or you run Facebook, my case is important

00:22:59.880 to you because it tells you, you know, I don't have conversations with a, with, with a user outside

00:23:06.740 the normal channels about what we are going to allow or not allow, because those could later come

00:23:12.160 back to hurt you. So I can guarantee you my lawsuit and its resolution have actually like

00:23:17.340 made a, made a difference to the business practices of these companies. It won't even be discussed on

00:23:22.820 that level. These, these places, I mean, I'm still, I mean, I'm still blacklisted. I'm still

00:23:28.280 canceled essentially. Fortunately, I have a really big sub stack, which they can't touch. Um, sub stack

00:23:33.660 has been, you know, very supportive of free speech and I have a, you know, a good Twitter platform

00:23:38.980 and whatever the weirdness is happening on Twitter, I can still post and, you know, people will see it.

00:23:44.940 Yes, of course. Thank goodness. And it'll be interesting because it's true that the government

00:23:48.680 cannot do through social media companies, what it cannot do directly. It is not allowed to suppress

00:23:55.420 what a citizen's viewpoint because it doesn't like the content of the viewpoint that that is the first

00:24:02.000 amendment. So it can't get around that prohibition by using Facebook to do it by, by pressuring Twitter

00:24:09.480 to do it. That's the essence of your lawsuit of the, of the, um, Missouri lawsuit and the Louisiana

00:24:14.920 lawsuit and so on. So they're really going to have to deal with the amount of strong arming they did

00:24:20.020 of big tech. And I know their defenders are saying, well, they never had to punish big tech.

00:24:25.700 They never actually did hurt big tech for not complying with their demands. And you have an answer

00:24:29.960 to that too. Yes. I mean, so, so what's very interesting about my suit and, and this, and

00:24:36.900 this is, it's not, it's, I think, I think we have a really good case even. So in April, 2021,

00:24:44.520 Slavitt, Andrew Slavitt at the white house, clearly, you know, he, he, the, you, the words in the

00:24:50.580 Twitter, uh, you know, uh, internal files are asked a really tough question about why I was still allowed

00:24:57.780 on the platform. So to me that, you know, that's a really tough question in the way when a cop says,

00:25:03.840 can you get out of your car, sir? Um, you know, that's a, that's, that's not really a question,

00:25:08.340 right? It's a, it's a demand in the form of a question. Now, Twitter amazingly didn't bite

00:25:13.920 and didn't actually ban me for several months. It took months more pressure, but, but my case,

00:25:20.000 um, draws on a case called night Institute, be true. Okay. In 2017, Donald Trump banned some people

00:25:27.540 from commenting on his or following him on Twitter and they sued. And the second circuit,

00:25:32.840 which is where I've sued in New York city, I said, that's not okay because his Twitter page

00:25:40.180 is a public forum. Even though Twitter is a private company, his page is a public forum. So my claim is

00:25:48.180 that in pushing Twitter to ban me, even if they didn't immediately succeed, they were trying to

00:25:55.040 prevent me from commenting on their pages, on Andy Slavitt's page, on Joe Biden's page,

00:26:00.840 on Viva Murphy's page. You also point out that they did this to you. They, the, the pressure to

00:26:06.040 get you banned was ramped up right at a specific time during the pandemic and the vaccine rollout

00:26:12.700 that you say was not coincidental. That's correct. So, so, but, but so my, my argument is you can't

00:26:20.120 prevent me, or you can't even try to prevent me from commenting on your Twitter pages,

00:26:25.920 just as Donald Trump couldn't do that. And the, the analogy, I think people, people will get this.

00:26:30.720 Let's say Joe Biden had a press conference and it wasn't at the white house. Let's say it was at a

00:26:34.980 hotel. And, and I, and I was going to come in and ask questions. I had my credential. I was going to

00:26:40.340 come in and ask questions and they didn't want me to do that. And they said, the hotel, Hey guys,

00:26:44.940 we'd really like it if you didn't let Alex Berenson come into this press conference. And by the way,

00:26:50.360 you may remember we're the federal government and we do a hundred million dollars of business

00:26:54.400 with you every year. Well, even if the hotel stood up and said, you know what, he's got a press pass,

00:27:00.020 we're letting him in their effort to ban me in and of itself is a first amendment violation. So that,

00:27:06.580 that is the sort of, that's like, that to me is something that everybody can get that analogy.

00:27:11.880 But the other piece of it is they, they didn't have to hurt Twitter or Facebook or YouTube because

00:27:19.900 they complied, you know, the bands were put in place. So it's like, well, that, that doesn't help

00:27:27.680 the government on its first amendment defense. They, they put the pressure on the meat, the big

00:27:32.560 social media companies complied. People like you had their voices silenced, silenced, and the American

00:27:37.520 public were hurt as a result. Not that that's a required element. You were hurt. That's enough.

00:27:42.140 So we'll see. I like the fact that this has gone so far in the, in the state AG's case. I like that

00:27:47.740 for you. And I think it's really interesting. I mean, the fact that Fauci had to sit for deposition

00:27:51.780 bodes well for you and others who are bringing similar claims, man. Oh man. Can you imagine

00:27:57.080 having access to him for tough questioning, like you sitting next to the lawyer funneling in the

00:28:02.240 questions? Or, but Pfizer too, right? That's the other part of this is, you know, so Albert Borla,

00:28:08.920 the CEO of Pfizer, Scott Gottlieb, board member of Pfizer, if the lawsuit survives the motion

00:28:14.060 to dismiss, we're going to be able to ask Pfizer about its communications with the federal

00:28:18.820 government. And to me, and frankly, what they knew in 2021.

00:28:22.720 And you can get it Pfizer potentially, because this isn't about a vaccine injury. They've been

00:28:28.040 immunized against, legally immunized against those lawsuits by law. But this is a different

00:28:35.260 story. Yep. Very. And so, and so, yeah, in a way it's the only possible way anyone's going to be

00:28:42.540 able to ask Pfizer these questions. And so I really do hope we survive this motion to, I mean, they

00:28:47.440 haven't filed it yet, but I, you know, you can just about guarantee they're going to try to get this

00:28:51.280 dismissed. Yeah, for sure. All right. We have much more to get to, including the secretary of

00:28:55.160 education, not being able to define what a woman is. Uh, we'll get to that. And then this MSC,

00:29:00.260 an MSNBC anchor tries to take down Matt Taibbi. And then another lefty reporter steps in to

00:29:07.700 humiliate the guy from MSNBC. We'll walk you through it.

00:29:15.880 I just wanted to finish making one point I raised during our last discussion, which was

00:29:19.320 it was July of 2021. You write that they were beginning to realize within the Biden administration

00:29:26.460 and Pfizer that the MRNA vaccines were losing their efficacy against infection far faster than

00:29:32.220 they had expected July of 2021. And it was July of 2021 that the white house publicly demanded social

00:29:39.540 media companies take aggressive action against vaccine skeptics. So the push to get you and others

00:29:46.240 silenced ASAP around that time was not accidental. You alleged that they knew they knew problems with

00:29:53.300 the vaccine were going to be recognized and come out publicly. And so it was more urgent than ever

00:29:57.780 that the loudest vaccine skeptics be silenced. I mean, that's how to sick this, what they did was

00:30:04.980 according to your lawsuit and that of others. So just to wrap that up. Okay. Let's, uh, let's talk

00:30:09.600 about the secretary of education who does not understand what a woman is, uh, takes after Ketanji

00:30:16.180 Brown Jackson, a sitting Supreme court justice who refused to say what a woman was because she's

00:30:20.600 not a, quote, not a biologist. Um, he was asked explicitly, I don't know, do we have this sound

00:30:26.900 bite? Um, to define a woman. Uh, and here's how Miguel Cardona answered. So can you please tell me

00:30:34.780 or can you please define for me, what is a woman? Uh, our focus at the department is to provide

00:30:41.000 equal access to students, including students who are, uh, LGBTQ access free from discrimination.

00:30:48.200 Is that, so what's the def, what's the definition of a woman? You haven't given me that you haven't

00:30:54.340 answered my question. I think that's almost secondary to the important role that I have

00:30:58.260 as secretary of education. My question is not secondary. My question is very simple. What

00:31:02.960 is the death? What does HHS say? The definition of a woman is, uh, I lead the department of education

00:31:09.500 and my job is to make sure that all students have access to public education. So this guy right

00:31:15.540 now is trying to change women's rights under title nine. He's this man is trying to change our rights

00:31:21.100 under title nine and cannot even define what we are. This is, uh, I mean, I haven't gotten too involved

00:31:27.560 in, you know, in, in writing about trans issues. I figure I have enough people who hate me as it is.

00:31:32.680 I did write last week about, uh, Dylan Mulvaney. Um, uh, there's something bizarre happening,

00:31:40.760 right? I mean, it's bizarre legally, it's bizarre societally, it's bizarre medically. Um, uh, you know,

00:31:48.080 this is not that complicated, right? You know, human biology, uh, chromosomes, uh, gender, like

00:31:56.120 these things are the, obviously, you know, there's always, there's, there's, there's a, you know, very,

00:32:00.800 very tiny number of people who are born with, you know, strange, uh, you know, genetic abnormalities,

00:32:06.320 but, but as a rule, this is pretty straightforward stuff. And, and the effort to try to tell people

00:32:12.660 it's not, I think is, is, is increasingly infuriating a lot of, a lot of centrist Americans.

00:32:19.140 And, and, and frankly, it's infuriating a lot of women. I mean, look, I'm, I'm like, to some

00:32:24.720 example, I'm sort of irrelevant in this discussion, right? I'm never going to compete in a woman's,

00:32:30.320 uh, you know, track meet. I'm never, I'm never going to go into a woman's bathroom. Like,

00:32:34.600 but, but I understand why this is so incredibly infuriating to, to women, real women, biological

00:32:41.500 women who've grown up, you know, who, who, who know that, you know, if a, if a guy enters the,

00:32:48.380 the, the track meet that, that they're, that they're now competing for second place and who

00:32:53.080 know that there's a physical risk to them when they're on the street, that men are bigger and

00:32:57.500 stronger than they are. And that, that's just the biological reality. And to pretend it isn't,

00:33:03.680 and to pretend that a man can become a woman just by saying so, or vice versa is, is completely

00:33:09.100 untrue. And, and, and, you know, one of the things that I, that I wrote about in this,

00:33:13.780 in this piece about Mulvaney is that one of the, one of the things that I think doesn't get,

00:33:18.900 you know, really discussed, even as sort of an open secret is that these surgeries,

00:33:23.520 these sexual reassignment surgeries don't really work very well for, for a lot of people,

00:33:28.340 right? There's high rates of complication. I mean, it's, it's hard to make a penis out of a vagina,

00:33:33.460 or a vagina out of a penis. It doesn't work very well. So, so this isn't really about

00:33:39.760 turning you into the opposite sex. That's, that's impossible. It's about something else.

00:33:47.120 Um, Kelly J Keen was on the show last week, Posey Parker, uh, who's been an activist on this for a

00:33:53.000 while. And she's amazing. She's so smart. And she, she puts everything in very simple terms. It was

00:33:57.500 like, yes, why can't we just say that? And she just says, you know, I asked her, what is a woman?

00:34:00.940 She said, adult, human, female. So simple. Yes, exactly. Adult, human, female. That works.

00:34:06.580 Why is it so hard? Why can't the Supreme court justice say it? Who actually is a woman?

00:34:10.020 Why can't the secretary of education who's right now trying to change women's rights

00:34:13.360 when it comes to sport, when it comes to sexual harassment on campus, why can't he define it?

00:34:19.060 If, if we just covered yesterday, the case of a sorority, Kappa Kappa Gamma out in Wyoming,

00:34:23.880 that's getting sued by seven of its members because they forced these girls to allow in a

00:34:28.800 transgender girl who is like leering at the women, according to the lawsuit and jerking

00:34:34.240 off while watching them and absolutely disgusting stuff. Right. So they filed a lawsuit. So why,

00:34:39.340 like, if you don't understand what a woman is, when you're the person who's going to be changing

00:34:45.340 the standards for resolving sexual harassment standards on college campuses, you're the guy

00:34:50.700 you need to educate yourself. Because if you're going to tell me that the male who was jerking

00:34:54.580 off to the women dressed in a wig is the same thing as the women he was harassing. Well, how are

00:35:01.120 your standards going to apply? You're going to need to revise them yet again, sir. These are actually

00:35:05.800 not that tricky issues. They're actually very simple. And if you would just resort to biology,

00:35:10.680 they'd be simple to you too. Let's talk about the Dylan Mulvaney thing. So Dylan Mulvaney, um,

00:35:16.640 you know, Dylan Mulvaney wanted to be a star. That's pretty clear from Dylan's

00:35:20.300 behavior as while living as a biological male. And now, uh, since Dylan's only been a pretend

00:35:26.420 woman for a year, Dylan is getting mocked in some corners, predictably that happens to any public

00:35:33.780 figure and certainly one who's been as offensive as Dylan has in my view to women. And, um, there

00:35:39.060 is some commentator online who occasionally, I mean, they've put like a few, a few videos out

00:35:44.420 pretending to be Dylan. Uh, and you know, in this exaggerated non-complementary way,

00:35:49.800 can you just look at this, look at the, the, the impersonator and then look at how Dylan responds.

00:35:57.420 Hey guys, it's day four of being a girl.

00:36:00.720 Hello. First of all, I would never open my video saying, Hey guys, I know that this is what you

00:36:06.420 want. You want me to respond. You want me to react. You want attention. Um, and I've seen your

00:36:10.620 videos for a few weeks, if not months now. Um, I didn't have time to respond to those. I was

00:36:15.800 really busy, you know, auditioning to be in movies. And now I actually just walked as a model in New

00:36:21.340 York fashion week on a runway. So sorry, I didn't get to you sooner. You're doing all those things

00:36:25.940 to mock me. Um, more specifically, you just kind of, I think hate trans people. I'm very glad that

00:36:31.680 you're doing it to me and not to another trans person because I'm okay right now. I really,

00:36:37.020 my life is going very well. Um, I feel pretty happy, but if you had made this video while I

00:36:45.080 was maybe depressed or God forbid, suicidal, that could be really effed up. And I, that would be on

00:36:52.120 you. That would be evil of you. It is evil. I'm a woman and I'm not going to say I'm more of a

00:36:58.560 woman than you are. I know that that would make you scoff, but because I see us as equals.

00:37:03.660 Okay. You're sighing. I just look, uh, again, I just kind of feel like in some ways women are

00:37:14.860 going to have to deal with this. Like it's, it's, it's incredible. I mean, as a man, it, it just,

00:37:22.060 it seems incredibly offensive to me, but, uh, but you know, uh, look, I, I do think women are

00:37:29.780 speaking out now, which is a good thing. Yeah, they are. Uh, to me, it was so telling

00:37:34.620 that Dylan saying I'm about to go walk in New York's fashion week. This is what Dylan has been

00:37:40.520 after, you know, celebrity, these endorsements that Dylan is getting fame. And what is he using

00:37:47.640 to, to get there? Us, us, you know, pretending to be one of us. And then with a wink and a nod,

00:37:55.780 I'm not going to say we're not equal. We're equal as humans, but we're not equal as women. Cause you're

00:38:00.080 not one, only one of us is, and it's not you. Yeah. I will say also, you know, look, this issue,

00:38:09.000 everybody knows what a man is and what a woman is. And people were not everybody, but I'll speak for

00:38:16.240 myself. I was happy enough. If, if a trans person wanted to say, you know, I, my pronouns are, you

00:38:23.640 know, she, or, you know, uh, or whatever you want, you know, wear what you want. If you want to have

00:38:29.160 this crazy surgeries and, and, you know, have your, you know, your, your penis removed and replaced with

00:38:35.680 this, this thing that's, that goes nowhere that you call vagina, whatever you live your life. Like

00:38:42.640 that's, this is the United States. I mean, I, I, I know there may be people who have religious or

00:38:47.940 moral objections to it. I don't. Okay. It's a free country, but, but, and I think a lot of the

00:38:54.140 country felt that way until about three years ago, this issue is being forced on us and people would

00:38:59.860 rather just not worry about what, you know, a few thousand or tens of thousands of people, uh, you

00:39:07.020 know, want to do, or, you know, maybe now it's hundreds of thousands. I don't know if, if you want to do

00:39:12.080 this, do it, but, but, but don't make us, and we'll pretend if you want us to pretend that you're

00:39:18.040 a woman or you're a man, we'll pretend we can all just, we can all just go on with it. But if you're

00:39:24.020 going to make it a political issue and insist on, again, competing against women or using the wrong

00:39:30.460 bathroom or whatever it is, at that point, it's, it's, it's something where I have to tell you what

00:39:35.880 I really think, which I'd rather actually not do because it, because it might hurt your feelings.

00:39:39.620 It's, it's gone so far beyond hurting feelings now. The, the, well said, I mean, I'll give you

00:39:45.060 just one example. I, I just retweeted this on my Twitter feed. This is, I usually don't take a one

00:39:50.460 off and tweet it out. Cause you know, it's like there's freaks in every freak women, freak men,

00:39:55.300 freak, whatever, you know, there were everywhere. However, this is becoming a theme. Now these

00:40:00.040 threatening Tik TOK videos that certain trans people are putting out. And I'll just give you an

00:40:04.580 example of the latest. I dare you to try and stop me from going into a women's bathroom.

00:40:12.740 It will be the last mistake you ever make. I dare you to try and stop a transgender woman

00:40:20.260 in my presence from using the bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make.

00:40:26.100 This is a call to action and a call to arms. You need to arm up plain and simple, go out,

00:40:31.660 buy a gun, learn how to use it efficiently. Look at this lunatic, this man trying to wear man hair

00:40:41.200 and claim that he has a right to go into our spaces. So if he wants to go in there with my

00:40:47.880 now 12 year old daughter and I say, sir, no, he's going to shoot me. That's what we're up against now.

00:40:55.220 I apparently so. I mean, by the way, has the manifesto from the, from the shooting in Tennessee

00:41:06.600 been released? No, it hasn't been released. It probably never will be right. You know, I think

00:41:10.700 there is a, you know, there's a public safety issue here in terms of testosterone is a really

00:41:15.640 powerful hormone. Estrogen, these are powerful hormones. Sex hormones are powerful hormones and

00:41:20.140 to hand them out to disturb teenagers, um, you know, is probably not the best idea. It, uh, again,

00:41:27.840 like the idea that, that, that trans, that changing your sex is a mental health treatment

00:41:33.300 is, is, is crazy. Right. So you, it, it, you should have a clear understanding. I mean,

00:41:41.080 you should have a psychiatrist diagnosis that you are not mentally ill, that you're, you know,

00:41:45.700 that you're not depressed, that your desire to change genders is somehow independent of any kind

00:41:52.220 of mental illness. That's so true. Before, before you're certainly, before you're going to get these

00:41:56.980 hormones. I mean, I think that should just be, I think that just makes sense medically, legally

00:42:02.180 from a public health, you know, public safety point of view. And yet like, you know, we're way

00:42:08.580 past that. You know, you can, it seems like in many of these clinics, you can go in, have a 10 minute

00:42:13.440 consultation, say you're depressed and walk out with the, you know, the beginnings of, of reassignment.

00:42:21.440 We had a D transition around the show just last week saying, uh, she got her cross gender hormones

00:42:28.020 from planned parenthood after just done nothing. And she was suffering from having been sexually

00:42:33.480 assaulted. She had an eating disorder. And of course, since the default is a firm, a firm, a firm,

00:42:38.580 they don't care about any of that stuff. It's, it's exactly the opposite of what you're saying.

00:42:43.200 It should be. They, they're not interested in probing other trauma that may be causing these

00:42:47.640 feelings. Just all that matters is that the feelings exist. You get affirmed, you cross over.

00:42:53.140 And by the way, I should tell the audience, Alex has done a ton of reporting on cannabis and he's

00:42:57.300 done a lot of work on mind altering drugs and how they can really affect behavior. So, you know,

00:43:03.320 of what you speak. Yeah. I mean, you know, the, another analogy, you know, suppose people with

00:43:09.540 eating disorders said, you know, I, I just really need to be 70 pounds and, and, and, and I need,

00:43:15.420 you know, I weigh 110 pounds now. It's not enough. I need surgery. I need lap band surgery,

00:43:20.680 you know, and, and then I'll be happy. That's, that's my, that's my goal. That's how I see myself.

00:43:28.140 I mean, a surgeon who did that, uh, you know, to a, to a depressed 17 year old girl would be set to

00:43:34.080 prison. Right. I mean, these are, these are very serious surgeries in the case, you know, in the

00:43:39.680 case of, in the case of the trans surgeries, you know, some of the stuff they do cannot really be

00:43:44.680 reversed in a, in a meaningful way. Obviously, you know, you cut somebody's breasts off and, or,

00:43:49.500 you know, or their penis off and they can't, that can't be reversed really. And so the idea that any of

00:43:56.540 this stuff is happening to anybody, I would say, I, you know, under the age of 18, 21 might make more

00:44:02.000 sense who doesn't have a demonstrated long-term history that this is what they want. I don't

00:44:06.900 think that's unreasonable. I think, I think the medical society should, should be stepping in here.

00:44:13.640 It's so infuriating. I think about last time I was at Broadway and they had the sign on the door,

00:44:17.960 use whatever bathroom is consistent with your gender identity. And I'm going to have to face that

00:44:22.440 guy. That is obvious man who's going to shoot me. If I say, I don't want you in here, or I, would

00:44:28.500 you please wait until my daughter's done? I'm going to get shot. That is that what it's going to

00:44:31.960 take for people to start standing up for women's spaces and privacy and dignity. Apparently the

00:44:37.780 answer is yes. And God help, God help us when we get to that point. Um, okay. Lastly, we've got to

00:44:42.800 talk to talk about Medhi Hassan, MSNBC anchor who tried to take down Matt Taibbi. And I'll show you

00:44:49.000 just a little bit of it. He didn't like Matt's reportings on the Twitter files, some of which,

00:44:52.780 some of the Twitter file reporting out of what they did to you. Um, and Medhi Hassan didn't like it.

00:44:57.980 He's a lefty. He's on MSNBC. He hates the Twitter files. Here's what happened when Taibbi went on

00:45:02.640 with him.

00:45:03.800 The vampire squid was an indelible image and it was textbook Matt Taibbi. If you were like me back

00:45:09.840 then, you loved reading his blistering takedowns of America's worst villains. But if you listen to

00:45:15.520 him these days, he's telling a different story. The man who used to gleefully heap abuse on the

00:45:21.240 outrage industrial complex on Fox now appears regularly on that very propaganda network. He once so

00:45:26.960 wonderfully lampooned.

00:45:28.300 So you started off as I expected with the whole, what happened to you, man, routine.

00:45:32.720 Uh, well done.

00:45:33.720 Do your files provide evidence of government censorship? I don't think so. You said the

00:45:39.120 EIP was founded in response to the government dropping its proposal for a disinformation

00:45:43.560 government. Well, there you are. We're quoting you on screen. It wasn't. It was formed two years

00:45:47.180 earlier. Uh, you suggest it was government funded, even though during the 20 election, 2020 election

00:45:52.280 that you're covering. It wasn't, uh, you say they labeled 22 million tweets as misinformation

00:45:58.080 in the run-up to the 2020 vote. They didn't, but you mix up CISA, CISA, a Homeland Security

00:46:04.940 Agency with the Center for Internet Security, the CIS. It's just error after error, Matt,

00:46:09.020 on just this one topic.

00:46:09.840 But the other, but the other ones aren't, uh, apparently I've gotten like one thing wrong

00:46:15.320 or a few things wrong, but mostly I think this story, these stories are going to hold

00:46:19.900 up over the test of time. Unlike your Russia case story.

00:46:23.380 By the way, Mehdi's attempt at a fact check fell flat because then he was fact checked and

00:46:27.580 he was wrong about 99% of what he said. So it was, it was a false indictment and in a court

00:46:32.800 of law, it would have been overruled as a fake impeachment, false impeachment. Now it turns

00:46:37.060 out, Alex, thanks to, uh, Lee Fong who used to work at the intercept with Glenn, uh, Greenwald.

00:46:42.460 He did an in-depth report on Mehdi Hassan. Mehdi Hassan is a long history of being a plagiarizer

00:46:47.380 and he's got the receipts. If you look back, it's absolutely disgusting how much he copied

00:46:52.120 and stole from other writers without attribution. That's who we're listening to.

00:46:57.380 Yeah. I mean, that's what we're, look, the standards that, that, that, that Matt faces or

00:47:02.380 that I face or, you know, that Abigail Schreiber is, we are judged. If we make

00:47:06.920 one tiny factual error, um, uh, you know, we are just pilloried for it. And the, meanwhile,

00:47:14.960 you know, people like Aporva just make mistake after mistake and half the time don't even correct

00:47:19.920 them. So, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's a, look, I take my responsibility to be accurate and truthful

00:47:27.120 very, very seriously. And that's both the journals, but it's also because I don't have the New York

00:47:31.780 Times protecting me right now. If somebody sues me, it's me who's going to be stuck paying it.

00:47:37.320 And, you know, that's a very serious thing for an independent reporter. So, so I am as serious as

00:47:43.380 can be about this. And, and I know Matt is too. And I, you know, the, the double standard here is very

00:47:48.940 real. Lee Fong's reporting shows that Mehdi Hassan stole huge portions of an article from U.S. News and

00:47:56.600 World Report and just repurposed it as his own about spanking. It was absolutely disgusting.

00:48:03.140 Even on this show, if I quote another podcast, if I get an idea from another writer, I, I attribute it

00:48:09.380 out of respect and professional responsibility. This is egregious. He hasn't responded. He ought to

00:48:14.720 be ashamed of himself. Yeah. It was a cut and paste job. I mean, it's totally clear. Yeah. But, but he,

00:48:20.080 but he probably won't respond or if he does, he'll say it was 20 years ago and he made a mistake and no

00:48:24.240 one will pay any attention to it. It, the, the, the game is rigged and there, you know, there's me.

00:48:29.380 Would have been a different story, right? If he'd been, there's a few, there's a few people out

00:48:33.040 there who are fighting. Yeah, that's exactly right. All right. I got to go, but, uh, great to see you

00:48:38.220 and, uh, we'll see you again soon. All right. When we come back, we're going to be joined by two

00:48:42.260 Gen Z commentators with a lot of thoughts on what's happening in today's news, including, uh, we'll pick

00:48:47.700 back up on that Dylan Mulvaney and that lunatic soundbite I just showed you. Stand by.

00:48:54.240 Our next guests are helping fight the radical left takeover of Gen Z, two outspoken and fearless

00:49:02.020 commentators who are here for the first time. Isabel Brown hosts outdated a weekly podcast and

00:49:07.740 video series highlighting the lies of modern dating and relationship culture and gender theory. She's

00:49:14.360 also a turning point USA contributor and travels the country, giving speeches to colleges from coast to

00:49:19.040 coast. Will Witt is the editor in chief of the Florida standard and the bestselling author of how

00:49:24.160 to win friends and influence enemies, taking on liberal arguments with logic and humor.

00:49:29.080 And his new book released in September is do not comply, taking power back from America's corrupt

00:49:35.500 elite. Isabel and will so great to have you here. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having us.

00:49:41.680 So let's kick it off with the tolerant left and I'll play you that a little excerpt of some guy on

00:49:46.540 tick tock again, pretending to be a woman and threatening us all. If we try to stop him from

00:49:51.500 going into a lady's restroom, watch this. I dare you to try and stop me from going into a women's

00:49:59.580 bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make. I dare you to try and stop a transgender woman

00:50:08.100 in my presence from using the bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make. This is a call to

00:50:14.720 action and a call to arms. You need to arm up, plain and simple. Go out, buy a gun, learn how to

00:50:21.560 use it efficiently. Got it. So, Isabel, if you are walking into the restroom and you happen to see

00:50:28.820 that clearly biological man trying to walk in there with you and say, excuse me, sir,

00:50:34.380 you're going to get shot. He's putting it out there, making it absolutely clear.

00:50:38.920 You know, Megan, they are really saying the quiet part out loud these days. This used to be a tinfoil

00:50:44.880 hat conspiracy theory that the far right would talk about on the deep corners of the dark web.

00:50:50.280 But ever since high school girls and minors have been sexually assaulted in public bathrooms and

00:50:55.880 public schools, as we've seen in Loudoun County, and now we're hearing more and more stories about

00:50:59.740 this all over the country, people really are leaning into this, that the bathroom is not just a place

00:51:05.020 to relieve yourself, but is somewhat of a battleground for this alphabet mafia, as you

00:51:10.400 often hear them referred to on TikTok. I have yet to hear until this video, an actual call to arms

00:51:16.400 though. But with this year's trans day of vengeance, that was somewhat supported by our White House,

00:51:22.180 acknowledging a trans day of visibility. I think we're only going to see more of this divisive,

00:51:26.940 angry, and even violent rhetoric, and potentially even a manifestation of that rhetoric,

00:51:31.700 like we just saw with Riley Gaines at San Francisco State University, speaking up on behalf of

00:51:37.140 biological gender and being physically assaulted and held hostage herself for doing so.

00:51:42.380 Yes, and it's to the point, and we discussed on the show about how a large percentage of these

00:51:47.080 trans women are actually men who just get off in dressing in women's clothing. It's a sexual fetish.

00:51:54.320 And so said men are supposed to be able to go into our bathrooms and pull their pants down and do

00:52:00.360 whatever they want when my 12-year-old daughter is in the stall next door and I'm not supposed to say

00:52:04.900 anything, or I could get shot or some other woman could get shot. I mean, this is where we are

00:52:10.480 in this debate. And you know what? This makes us, even for having the conversation, we're transphobes.

00:52:17.100 You're exactly correct. And more than that, we are the violent domestic extremists, as our own

00:52:22.880 government is pointing out. If you start to say things like biology matters when it comes to gender,

00:52:28.200 or even my safety should matter, when I walk into a restroom, you are considered this radical

00:52:33.440 domestic terrorist, while other people can go on TikTok and talk about a call to arms and even

00:52:38.500 raising violence and shooting people if you don't agree with their gender identity. Could you imagine

00:52:43.420 if the roles were reversed on that TikTok?

00:52:46.820 Right, right. So can I ask you, before I bring in Will in, what is the attitude on this issue?

00:52:52.800 You know, women are finding their voices more and more on this issue. And so young people,

00:52:57.200 you know, women in particular, where are they on this?

00:53:02.060 You know, I'm incredibly inspired and encouraged by my generation, Gen Z, on a whole host of issues.

00:53:07.800 I think Americans, particularly from a right of center perspective, have discounted us and said

00:53:12.800 that we are destroying America because a small percentage that is the minority is the loudest.

00:53:18.540 And they're particularly the loudest on platforms like TikTok. But every single day,

00:53:22.880 on college campuses, on TikTok, on Instagram, or my live stream that I host across platforms,

00:53:28.480 I engage with Gen Zers, even on the left, who have had enough with this violent, divisive rhetoric

00:53:34.220 in our country. We're breaking free from the stereotypes that so many people associate Generation Z with,

00:53:40.240 one of which being this craze of changing our gender all the time.

00:53:43.660 And we're seeking truth and genuine dialogue, which is why independent content creators like

00:53:48.780 Will and myself really have gone above and beyond in facilitating this conversation and a change

00:53:53.740 of perspective that our generation isn't exposed to on our college campuses or on our TikTok feeds,

00:53:58.960 unless we're willing to be there.

00:54:00.860 Okay. I thank God for you. I really do. Because my three kids are actually at the

00:54:05.820 end of your Gen Z. I mean, we looked it up. I guess technically it starts like around 2010

00:54:10.400 is like the last of Gen Z. So it ends around there. So my kids are in there. My daughter

00:54:15.720 just said to me the other day, well, I'm Gen Z. So she's in with you. So she needs women like you

00:54:21.700 who are closer to her age to look up to, not just the old hags like mom saying all the,

00:54:26.920 yeah, no, don't do that. It's bad for you. So I appreciate it, Isabel. So you will have been

00:54:31.560 fighting back against this same nonsense. And in particular, one of the clips that jumped out to me

00:54:37.900 about you was standing up to this, forgive me, I know I sound so old, but absolute smut that we're

00:54:44.240 seeing in some libraries in public schools. I mean, that there's just like no other word for it. It's

00:54:48.300 absolutely disgusting. We pulled a clip of you reading an excerpt from this book, Lucky,

00:54:54.340 that you found in Hillsborough County public school libraries. Here it is.

00:54:59.720 Good evening, board. My name is Will Witt, and I'm here to read you an excerpt from a book called

00:55:03.840 Lucky. He started humping me again wildly. The base of my spine was crushed into the ground.

00:55:09.420 Glass cut me on my back and behind. He kneeled back. Raise your legs, he said. Spread them. He put

00:55:14.780 a hand on each calf and pressed them out farther than I could hold. Keep them there. He began to

00:55:19.260 knead his fist against the opening of my vagina. I want a blowjob. He held his dick in his hand.

00:55:24.280 I've never done it before, I said. I'm a virgin. Put it in your mouth. I kneeled before him.

00:55:29.140 Guys, seriously, would you ever read this to your own children? No. If you wouldn't read it to your

00:55:39.080 own children, then why is this in the schools? Yes. Yes. Will, I too am applauding you. I should

00:55:46.720 have given an explicit warning on that before we played it, but good for you. So why was that

00:55:53.100 important to you? How did you find the book and how was your objection received?

00:55:56.940 Well, the objection was not received very well by the board. We actually had one of the school

00:56:01.820 board members fall asleep while some of us were going and talking. I think there was about 30 of

00:56:06.120 us and there was about 45 books. Each person, this was working with a group called CCDF and

00:56:10.540 Moms for Liberty and some other just parents who were concerned in the Tampa Bay area who brought

00:56:14.900 these books to the school board to read all of them out loud. And these books are just,

00:56:18.580 I mean, you heard what I said. I mean, it was egregious. I was embarrassed going up there,

00:56:22.920 even being a 26 year old man and having to read these things. It's, it's embarrassing for me to

00:56:28.340 have to go and do that and think that children are reading these books within the schools, the left

00:56:33.240 and the people who are putting these things in the schools and thinking that there's nothing wrong

00:56:37.360 with it. I can't imagine that there is anything that they are doing that is not something screwed

00:56:42.160 up inside their head that makes them think that this is okay for children. None of them would

00:56:45.820 actually ever read this to their children, but they're so scared of going against the left and going

00:56:49.960 against this new, these new tenants of a leftist religion that they are going to continue to put

00:56:54.200 these things in the book and do it behind closed doors with these school board meetings and make

00:56:58.060 sure that no one really knows about it. It's like so disturbing. That's so age inappropriate. I don't

00:57:03.280 care if it's all the way up through high school, that's not appropriate for a school library. And yet

00:57:09.480 to me, it kind of dovetails with what we're seeing in so many places in our society. As we get rid of

00:57:15.460 gender as a non thing, you know, it's like whatever biological sex is no longer a real thing.

00:57:19.960 And young women are encouraged. I know you talk about this in your podcast, Isabel,

00:57:23.280 to just give it up to anybody who wants it. That's sexual liberation. Trust us. It's going

00:57:26.820 to make you feel so good. Oh, okay. Read anything by Bridget Phetasy in the past two years and see

00:57:31.440 how that worked out. Um, and that brings me to Sam Smith, who I find a very disturbing person.

00:57:36.260 I mean, he's both disturbed and disturbing and every concert now seems a desperate cry for help by this

00:57:42.980 guy. First, you just wanted to be sort of a non-binary goes by they, I guess that's one I refuse to use.

00:57:48.100 I'm not using they, I don't even know if I'm using any of them anymore, but I'm definitely

00:57:51.540 not using they that one's taken. Here's just a little bit of where Sam Smith is now in his career

00:57:56.960 and his performance art. But the listening audience, it's a very heavy man with man boobs

00:58:06.300 and nipple covers and like the front of a thong and high boots in a devil worshiping type of

00:58:15.820 performance. Yeah, let's get rid of this. We've seen this long enough. So Will, do you know,

00:58:27.720 I'm not saying it's exactly the same as what you were reading inside that classroom, but it just

00:58:31.740 seems like at every turn we're priming these kids for inappropriate sexuality.

00:58:37.660 Oh yeah. It's not even a question at that, at this point anymore. What I seem to find is like

00:58:41.860 looking at that tick tock that we watched earlier about the trans guy saying that we should get

00:58:45.260 guns. And then the Sam Smith thing, you have an entire generation of young people, Gen Z,

00:58:49.160 as well as many millennials who have a clear lack of meaning or any sort of purpose in their lives.

00:58:54.900 So then what happens? You have these ideologues, these zealots who come in with this trans ideology

00:58:59.100 or Black Lives Matter, climate change, COVID ideology, whatever it is. And they take these

00:59:03.680 impressionable, insecure young people who are working these nine to five jobs, answering emails

00:59:08.220 all day with no real sense of passion or articulation to think of. And they give them these leftist ideas

00:59:13.940 and put them inside their head and say, hey, you can have some sort of meaning in your life

00:59:17.840 by attaching yourself to this trans identity. So now you have these numbers that are showing there's

00:59:22.880 way more gay and trans kids than ever before. And it's because they are pushing it on these kids

00:59:27.540 to know that they can control them because they have nothing else in their lives going on because

00:59:31.920 society has essentially turned most of the American young population into the new surf class.

00:59:37.600 And that's incredibly sad. And so unless you find the way, like I'll go to and do speeches for,

00:59:42.800 I did one for this older group of people in Florida a little while ago and they say, well,

00:59:46.100 how do we get the young people to be Republican? How do we make them conservative? And I said,

00:59:50.120 you can't even talk to many young people about Republican issues or being a conservative,

00:59:54.760 low taxes when they don't even have anything that really gives them any sense of purpose.

00:59:59.000 You need to instill that inside of them. And whether that's through God or through some sense

01:00:03.140 of, you know, heroism, courage they can take a part in. You have to do that before you start

01:00:07.780 working on these issues because you're just going to continue to see a spiral and spiral downhill

01:00:12.220 with this trans ideology and everything else. That's so well said. And so here's the problem.

01:00:17.220 You got governors like DeSantis in Florida who say, one thing we should do is keep inappropriate

01:00:23.260 content out of the classroom, uh, in particular, while the children are young, he's taking a hit

01:00:28.400 right now in, in, because there's a push to expand his parental rights law beyond the third grade up

01:00:35.300 to 12th grade, which is different to say, you can't talk about gay rights or, you know, homosexuality

01:00:41.200 or potentially gender identity until the 12th grade or all the way through high school. I understand

01:00:46.420 that's more controversial, uh, through third grade shouldn't be a controversial law. I have a third

01:00:50.360 grader. This is absurd. And I've got a seventh grader. I got a sixth grader, um, in any event.

01:00:54.620 So he pushes to say, keep, keep your weird leftist agenda out of the classroom. Let, let the parents

01:01:01.480 send their kids to class. And if the parents want to educate them about any of that stuff,

01:01:05.420 they can do it at home. It's not for the teacher to try to indoctrinate the kids in sexualities,

01:01:10.860 any, any talk about sex. And in response to that issue, they had this discussion on the view,

01:01:18.280 the person who we're going to show you is a woman named Patti LuPone. She is an actress. She was most

01:01:25.740 recently in the Broadway show company, which I actually went to with my two priest friends. It

01:01:31.880 was super fun. And, uh, she's on the view promoting her latest project. And here's her reaction to Ron

01:01:39.680 DeSantis in that issue. I don't know what the difference between our Christian right and the

01:01:45.400 Taliban is. I have no idea what the difference is. You're not the only person who's said that.

01:01:50.420 I don't, I just don't know what the difference is. What's happening in this country right now in the

01:01:55.640 name of religion is so dangerous. Look at that, Isabel. No pushback by Whoopi. You're not the only

01:02:02.100 one who said that, you know, I'm thinking it right now in my head is what she's thinking.

01:02:06.380 Yeah, absolutely. It's open encouragement more than a lack of pushback. I actually reacted to this video

01:02:11.000 on my TikTok yesterday and got some fascinating responses from people on the internet, but it

01:02:16.780 blows my mind that we've come to a time where genuinely we have bought into the level of

01:02:21.720 hyperbolic rhetoric that is allowed on TV, particularly on the view these days. I'm convinced at this

01:02:27.400 point, Megan, that they sit around in the green room right before they record the show every day

01:02:31.620 and ask what the craziest thing they possibly could say on national television could be to remain

01:02:37.360 somewhat relevant in modern day American life, because otherwise no one would be paying attention

01:02:42.360 to the show with the subjects that they're talking about. But to compare the Christian right in America

01:02:48.020 today, that's suggesting perhaps we should preserve the innocence of children while they are still

01:02:53.020 children. Maybe we should be encouraging a 12 year old girl to experience puberty before we put her

01:02:58.480 through menopause, through chemical and physical castration. Perhaps it's important for us to educate

01:03:04.100 our children in mathematics and science and helping them be successful in their adult years rather than

01:03:10.160 crude conversations that are completely inappropriate for public or private schools about how to have

01:03:16.000 anal sex, which was happening in the state of Florida prior to Governor Ron DeSantis' leadership on

01:03:21.560 this issue, to the Taliban, which is quite literally removing any semblance of human rights for anyone that

01:03:27.820 does not adhere to the lockstep ideology of a radical terrorist organization, where you as a woman do not have

01:03:33.720 the opportunity to go to school or even to walk outside of your own home without the presence of a male

01:03:39.300 chaperone from within your family is ridiculous to me. And we have to keep counting these opportunities,

01:03:45.800 as many opportunities as we can to discount the lies and the narrative that are being propagated by the

01:03:51.720 American left today. If we don't call this out for what it is, which is propaganda at the very source,

01:03:56.860 we will not have the opportunity to even fight for freedom of speech, which ironically is what Patty

01:04:01.960 so luckily had there on the panel on The View to even utter such a ridiculous statement.

01:04:07.180 Yeah, it's like she hates this country that's given her so much, right? She can't stand half the country.

01:04:12.340 She's also the woman. I don't know if you guys remember this, but it not at the show that I was at.

01:04:17.220 But and when I was there was well post the peak of COVID. But of course, the mask Nazis were everywhere,

01:04:22.020 like pull up your mask, pull up your mask. And since, you know, my priest buddies, of course,

01:04:26.080 they were compliant. They were sweet. But I was like, anyway, so so it wasn't at our performance,

01:04:32.740 but it made news at another performance. She and the other actors, they stay around afterward.

01:04:37.720 They ask you to donate to certain things. A conversation got going and she absolutely

01:04:41.920 scolded this one audience member over the mask. Watch this. We pulled the clip back up.

01:04:47.020 Put your mask over your nose. That's why you're in the theater. That is the rule. If you don't

01:04:53.880 want to follow the rule, get the fuck out. Who do you think you are? If you do not respect

01:05:04.100 the people that are sitting around you. You pay my salary. Bullshit. Chris Harper pays my salary.

01:05:11.800 Who do you think you are? Just put your mask over your nose.

01:05:21.060 The tolerant left is so fun to spend time with, aren't they? Right? Like the irony of her screaming

01:05:27.860 that not wearing a mask herself, sitting awfully close to her fellow co-stars. It's just you can't

01:05:34.000 make this stuff up anymore. She's a lovely person. I'll be sure never to attend another another show

01:05:40.260 that she is in. She was in God. What movie was it? She was in. She was younger and she actually was

01:05:45.520 quite good. She said she's not. She's a good actress. She's just a terrible person. So it

01:05:49.420 happens. Have you will like, did you go through this whole nonsense while in college with what

01:05:57.280 we're seeing right now at places like, you know, the San Francisco State University and what we saw

01:06:01.680 at SUNY Albany, where we, you know, saw a talking points, a friend of the show shouted down last week.

01:06:07.440 Um, Ian Hayworth actually, was he there via TP? I can't remember. In any event, we've seen it

01:06:12.780 campus after campus, right? Somebody goes on like a Riley Gaines, gets shouted down. They're not

01:06:17.140 allowed to speak, whether it's the judge out in Stanford or Ian at SUNY Albany. Have you experienced

01:06:22.040 any of that? Oh, most definitely. Yeah. My book tour, uh, in university of Maryland, I had about 50

01:06:28.040 protesters come and I'll say, well, what is a racist and a liar and all, all these kinds of things,

01:06:32.160 you know, university of Maryland, right over by DC, DC is just LA for ugly people. So, you know,

01:06:36.660 you kind of have to expect that that's the case when it happens over there. But yeah,

01:06:40.020 I did a event at university in Northern Colorado as well, where black lives matter thugs, these

01:06:44.180 animals come and they start flipping tables because I refuse to wear a mask. The school said I had to

01:06:48.720 wear a mask while I spoke. I said, the hell I'm wearing a mask. I'm not wearing a mask. And they

01:06:52.540 came and they destroyed the event, threatening kids and children in the audience. I've definitely

01:06:56.800 dealt with these kinds of things. But one thing about the video that you just saw with the lady who is,

01:07:00.740 is there on stage cursing at this person telling me to put on a mask. It shows how disconnected the

01:07:05.400 elite of this country, the higher echelon of people are with the normal everyday person,

01:07:10.160 right? It's, it's, it's very reminiscent of the French revolution where you have religion is cast

01:07:14.840 aside and you have these elites who think that they can do whatever they want while the people

01:07:17.920 all pay for it. They're in their, their chalets and their castles having these soirees and parties.

01:07:22.520 And eventually these people are going to have to pay the price for the decadent lifestyle that they

01:07:27.280 are living. And the American people are incredibly fed up. This is why we have this divisive rhetoric

01:07:31.900 right now in this country, because the people are so sick of the elites. This is why you have

01:07:35.160 someone like Donald Trump getting so much fame and, and, and, uh, notoriety or not notoriety,

01:07:40.400 but people loving him because he was a populist. This is why you had Bernie Sanders as everyone

01:07:44.540 loved him on the left because he was a populist as well. So yeah, I'm just very disenfranchised with

01:07:49.740 the elite. And I think there's going to be a reckoning coming very soon with them.

01:07:52.800 And how about the nerve of her to be like, Oh, you pay my salary. The producer of the show

01:07:57.560 places. Who do you think puts the money in his pack pocket, madam, a fundamental understanding

01:08:01.940 of economics might really help you out here. As good as of an actor, as you are, um, you may

01:08:07.020 have skipped the math section of high school. Cause even I know that one, um, there are more and more

01:08:12.180 people speaking out even, even at the, you know, public figure level, which is encouraging on this

01:08:18.260 trans ideology insanity. Uh, Sam Ponder over at ESPN state Sage Steele, who I love, um, found the nerve

01:08:26.380 inside of ESPN, which is as woke as it comes. I mean, that's a Disney company. They are the

01:08:34.500 wokest of the woke to say, this is baloney what they're doing, what Biden's doing right now, right

01:08:40.640 now with title nine, which he's trying to amend the title nine protections, which are meant to

01:08:44.360 protect women, women on college campuses, women's rights, women's sports. He's trying to

01:08:49.060 change those rules that would make all these state bands. There are 20 of them banning men from

01:08:55.260 participating in women's sports. It would basically eviscerate them. It would say those

01:08:59.020 bands are no longer good. And you're not allowed to have a ban for K through eight education at all.

01:09:05.340 And maybe for high school and college on a case by case basis, you might be able to,

01:09:09.660 we'd have to review it. So both sides are unhappy. The trans community, Leah Thomas is out there saying

01:09:13.960 there should be no possibility of a ban. Look at me. I'm an example of fairness in sports. Leah Thomas,

01:09:19.660 a man who's crossed over into women's swimming and won all the wet, the medals. That's why Riley's

01:09:24.000 mad. Um, so now you have stage seal, you've got Sam Ponder speaking out. And I just, I wonder what

01:09:30.120 your reaction is because it was what a year and a half, wait, a year, no, about almost a year exactly

01:09:37.000 ago that this same, not Sage and Sam, but this same organization, ESPN held a moment of silence

01:09:44.800 on the air because of that Florida bill we were just discussing. Look at this legislation happening in

01:09:51.480 Florida and across other States as well that are targeting our LGBTQI plus communities.

01:09:57.400 Many of our colleagues here at ESPN have planned and organized a walkout that will be happening at

01:10:03.200 3 PM Eastern today. And to be honest with you, we thought we were going to come here today and

01:10:07.300 really celebrate a sport that has meant so much and done so much, including for so many in the LGBTQI

01:10:13.880 plus communities. But we understand the gravity of this legislation and also how it is affecting

01:10:19.680 so many families across this country. And because of that, our ally shit is going to take a front

01:10:25.360 seat. And with that, we're going to pause in solidarity. Oh my God. Isabel, who would not

01:10:34.620 surprised. I mean, if you turn on ESPN every morning and see Stephen A. Smith screaming about

01:10:39.820 the latest woke agenda, uh, ideology as well, it's the same thing across all of their programming.

01:10:45.660 They're at ESPN. Uh, you're starting to see reporters speak up and be fired for it or be

01:10:50.760 personally punished in their jobs, but I'm encouraged to see more and more people standing

01:10:54.740 up. I think we'll really said it best. The American people have had enough and you can

01:10:58.680 only push people so far with this type of insanity that isn't based in partisan ideology. It isn't

01:11:05.320 based in what political party you might support or who you voted for in the last election. It is a

01:11:10.440 complete perversion of objective reality and objective truth. I keep asking where the feminists

01:11:17.140 are. If we're seriously contemplating replacing women with men in every single aspect of American

01:11:23.700 society, competitive sports in our bathrooms for job opportunities, entrance into higher education

01:11:29.500 and more. And yet they remain silent and or cheer on this type of ideology in that perversion

01:11:35.420 of objective truth. People can only take so much of this insanity before we say we've had enough.

01:11:42.380 And I think that's a good question approaching that reality. That's a good question. Where are

01:11:45.980 the women? And they are starting to find their voices because, you know, men don't want this.

01:11:49.640 Men don't want these fake women taking over women's spaces. There's not a man in the world who's normal,

01:11:55.500 who wants to go to bed with Dylan Mulvaney or that freak who I opened the show with threatening to

01:12:01.200 kill us if we if we don't let him into our bathrooms. Not a man on Earth who's sane wants to go to bed

01:12:06.800 with that instead of with Mayor Isabel. OK, that's just the truth. So men don't want this. They don't

01:12:12.880 want this takeover of women's spaces. And they are, I think, on our side on this. It's just been sort

01:12:19.360 of like a shoulder shrug. Like this is a weird group and there's nothing much we can do about it.

01:12:22.740 But I feel like there's been a couple of inflection points. Right, Isabel? I feel like it's been

01:12:26.940 what happened to Riley Gaines was was big. Dylan Mulvaney has touched a nerve and not in a good

01:12:32.660 way for Dylan's cause. Leah Thomas is another person who touched a bad nerve. Every American

01:12:39.120 looked at that and said that is unfair. These TikTok videos that gain traction are starting to turn

01:12:44.460 the tide on people's opinions. So, you know, I do wonder if we're almost at a before and after

01:12:50.980 moment on this whole conversation. I think we are. But I have to say, Megan, I'm coming from a bit

01:12:55.700 of a place of frustration. Having been responding to people like Dylan Mulvaney for over a year now

01:13:01.440 in my personal content, we're talking about somebody who has 10 million followers on TikTok

01:13:06.700 and regularly gains dozens of millions of views on every single one of his videos, encouraging

01:13:12.760 youth to embrace this type of behavior. We're just now starting to pay attention to it because

01:13:17.700 it happened to affect America's favorite beer brand. Although if you were genuinely drinking

01:13:22.100 Bud Light before this, I don't know why you have such horrible taste in alcoholic beverages.

01:13:27.040 Take it from Colorado natives, Will and I ourselves. Please upgrade to a better beer. But I'm glad to

01:13:31.920 see we're finally talking about this as Americans. Why did it take a year, though, of sponsorships from

01:13:37.800 Tampax, from Kate Spade, from other women's companies, Nike women's apparel and sports bras being modeled by a

01:13:44.780 man being championed on our most popular social media platform in America with over 150 million Americans

01:13:51.680 using the platform daily, 60 percent of whom are my generation for us to finally stand up and say we've

01:13:57.840 had enough because of one brand sponsorship. We have been on defense for far too long in America when it

01:14:04.520 comes to this assault on objective truth. And unless we're willing to start fighting on offense and

01:14:09.120 replacing these lies with truth, I don't know that we'll have much left to fight for in 2024 in any

01:14:14.500 major presidential election or as Gen Z continues to come into adulthood. So what is the answer to

01:14:19.620 that, Will? Why did it take the Bud Light thing to start changing the conversation? Well, obviously,

01:14:25.160 Bud Light is something that men are very into. Men drink beer more than women. It's something that

01:14:29.580 men, like you said, are not too interested in all this trans stuff that's Dylan Mulvaney thing. But it goes

01:14:33.520 even deeper than that, where you have these issues right now, which is one of the reasons that I think is

01:14:38.180 very wrong with the conservative movement, is that we are so focused on calling out the left's

01:14:42.260 hypocrisy. We're so focused on having making sure that all of our facts are always 100 percent

01:14:46.680 correct. And that we think that that is the antidote to beating the left. We think that that

01:14:50.780 is the antidote to winning against this trans ideology. When in fact, the left doesn't care

01:14:55.580 about hypocrisy. They don't care if they're right. Obviously, men and women's sports is completely wrong

01:15:00.400 and it's hypocritical and everything else. But does that stop more and more people from more men from

01:15:05.420 winning in women's divisions? Does that stop more men from going into women's bathrooms and claiming

01:15:10.400 that they're trans? No. Us calling out their hypocrisy doesn't do anything because the left

01:15:14.540 only works on the basis of power. They know that they can get power over people through these ideas

01:15:20.120 and shame them and harm them and ostracize them from every inch of society. And so us going out and

01:15:26.200 saying, well, this is hypocritical. You know, the left, they're so dumb. That doesn't do anything for us

01:15:30.880 as a movement. Like Isabel said, we need to be on offense and say, what can we actually do to make

01:15:36.120 sure that these things can never happen? That this ideology, this trans ideology that is infesting

01:15:41.000 our world should be eradicated, right? It should not be allowed to fester and get into the minds of

01:15:45.920 children anywhere in America. That is what we have to do. Like Rhonda Santos is doing in Florida with

01:15:50.680 That's what Michael Knowles said that got him in so much trouble at CPAC, that trans ideology needs to

01:15:57.040 be eradicated. And that is different from saying trans people, which the left said is what he said.

01:16:01.720 And it wasn't what he said. And I don't understand how that's even controversial when you understand

01:16:06.120 the social contagion that is infecting in particular teenage girls right now. If you can't say there's

01:16:13.120 an ideology there that is catchable, it's contagious and it needs to be stopped. And if you don't understand

01:16:20.240 how that is distinct from trans people need to be eradicated, that's different, right? It's different.

01:16:24.680 Look, I think we were better off as a country when this was a much smaller problem, when we weren't

01:16:31.360 so open about it and encouraging people to lean into it. It's a very damaged way to be. And I just

01:16:38.520 having seen this in my own life, transitioning in any way doesn't solve your problems. It tends to

01:16:43.600 create a lot more. I know that's not the messaging from the trans community. They'll tell you exactly

01:16:47.300 the opposite. Spoken to an FD transitioners and others who will tell you a very different story if

01:16:51.680 only they could get access to a microphone. That is most definitely the case. These people have

01:16:57.280 an ideology that they are pushing where they can, again, make up their own facts. They can disregard

01:17:01.400 everything that we say and say, oh, it's all lies. It doesn't matter. Again, if we have the best facts

01:17:06.220 and the best everything, it doesn't matter. I mean, it's like there's a guy, let's say there's a doctor

01:17:11.060 and he's doing trans surgeries on children, cutting off little boys' penises and turning them into

01:17:14.760 girls. And we say, well, that's stupid. That's horrible. What we should be doing is going and making

01:17:19.180 sure that this doctor's office gets shut down and this guy's license gets revoked so that he can no

01:17:23.900 longer perform these surgeries on children that are evil. That is what conservatives should be

01:17:28.220 doing for. So, Will, we're doing that. We're doing that more and more, right? You see Ron DeSantis

01:17:31.120 coming out explicitly this week and saying you cannot turn from a man into a woman. That is a lie to be

01:17:36.340 able to say that you can. And you have 20 states, as I point out, saying you're banned. If you're a boy,

01:17:41.740 you cannot play in girls' sports, period. K-12, college, it's done. And then you see the Biden

01:17:46.460 administration interfering, saying, no, we're overturning your ban. We're going to change the

01:17:52.020 federal rules and we're going to null it because of federalism. When the feds legislate, the states

01:17:57.240 are not free to in any particular area. So you are no longer allowed to have those bans. That's

01:18:01.960 what's so frustrating. So you've got to play a bigger game politically. You've got to win at the

01:18:06.560 highest levels in this country. It's not enough to win the state houses. You have to win the presidency.

01:18:10.740 You have to take control of the Senate. And the Republicans, who tend to be more aligned with

01:18:15.780 the messaging we're discussing on this show, are terrible at politics. Just terrible. They don't

01:18:22.660 know. They're not good at winning, Will. No, they are not good at winning at all. I can't think of

01:18:27.240 one Republican basically in Congress who I would say is a real winner. I would say Thomas Massey is

01:18:31.580 someone who I respect, especially because of his raw milk stances and everything, which I'm

01:18:35.720 huge support of. But other than that, I mean, look, we're talking about this trans stuff. And then you

01:18:40.680 look at the amount of money that candidates are taking, politicians on both sides are taking. You have

01:18:44.680 Bayer Pharmaceuticals that is working hand in hand and Abby V Pharmaceuticals that is working hand in

01:18:49.460 hand with gender groups and movies that deal with transgenderism for children, funding these movies

01:18:55.160 or working with them to push transgenderism on kids so that then that money can be, or essentially

01:19:00.700 they're making money off these things so that people will go and buy their drugs, which are puberty

01:19:04.200 blockers for children that are used to castrate sex offenders, right? So the maliciousness of these big

01:19:09.940 companies that are working with these trans groups is horrible. And then yet you have Republicans and

01:19:14.700 Democrats in Congress and all around this country who are taking money from big pharma, these essentially

01:19:19.200 evil companies that are pushing this ideology and making it so that these kids are getting castrated

01:19:24.240 and potentially ruining their lives forever. That is evil. If we don't revamp our political system

01:19:29.340 entirely in the lobbying and everything else, then none of this is going to get changed. It takes real

01:19:33.880 dedicated leadership with strong conservative values. What is your raw milk thing? What are you,

01:19:39.760 what are you talking about? This is raw milk. This is straight out of the cow's utter.

01:19:43.500 So no pasteurization, no homogenization. Wait, how do you get your hands on that? And why is that good?

01:19:48.400 You just go to a cow and, you know, you just, you know, get a cow and square it right into your

01:19:52.440 mouth. It's great. No, there's a farmer's market I go to for this and it's, it'll change your life.

01:19:56.780 Why do you love it? Why is this better?

01:19:57.700 Um, well, it's good for your gut health. People who are lactose intolerant drinking,

01:20:02.780 they'll drink pasteurized milk and they will be lactose intolerant. They can't digest it,

01:20:06.160 but you drink raw milk or have raw cheese, raw butter. Most of them can take it. It's like you

01:20:10.720 go to Europe, it's full of raw cheeses and everything like that. But big dairy has been fighting against,

01:20:14.940 uh, raw dairy products for, for years and years in this country.

01:20:19.180 Yes. Another big, we had an expert on plastics on the show and she was talking about how

01:20:22.740 one of the problems is, you know, that the automatic milkers, which is how they get milk

01:20:27.340 from most cows and most places on earth, including in, um, Amsterdam where we went as a family,

01:20:32.520 you know, it's going through plastic. All that milk is going through plastic as they milk. So,

01:20:38.300 you know, I, so I'm like, do I need to get my own cow now? But it's much harder when you're in the

01:20:42.980 metropolitan area. Yeah. We'll, we'll put it in the apartment. We'll work and we'll, we'll split it

01:20:47.980 halfway. By the way, I want to tell you this time last week on the show, well worth your time,

01:20:52.380 we had the maker and, uh, a couple of the stars of affirmation generation. It's a movie. If you go

01:21:00.340 to affirmation generation.com, you will see the movie and it's so, so worth your time.

01:21:06.160 I had seen the highlights and an outline of it before they came on. Now I've seen the entire

01:21:10.440 thing. I will warn you, you got to go through and you got to pay four bucks, um, via one of those

01:21:15.820 services. I get like a Venmo it's Venmo. Do it, do the four steps necessary. It's just your email.

01:21:21.420 I did it. You can do it. It's four bucks. It's so good. It's horrifying. But what made me think

01:21:27.860 of it well was your point about the drug companies and the money behind this whole push. And, um,

01:21:34.120 Joey was the person who was the filmmaker and she was on talking about how she said she thought she

01:21:39.000 might be trans and she went to a psychiatrist back in the day. She's more my age. Um, and they

01:21:43.900 were like, you're just a butch lesbian. You're fine. You're not a guy. You're just, you know?

01:21:48.540 And so she's behind the film anyway. Well, well worth your time. Very educational

01:21:52.260 affirmation generation, movie.com affirmation generation, movie.com. Check it out. All right.

01:21:57.580 More with Isabel and will right after this break. Did you hear all the dustups about what's happening

01:22:01.780 on planes right now? Should obese people be given a free extra seat? We'll take it up.

01:22:08.400 I want to tell our audience just an update to the segment we did with Alex Berenson, where we told

01:22:16.520 you about how Mehdi Hassan, this guy in MSNBC tried to tank Matt Taibbi's career with this gotcha

01:22:22.380 interview over his Twitter files reporting. And then Mehdi was fact checked after the interview.

01:22:28.220 And it turns out it was improper impeachment. We'd call it in the law. He was trying to get him on

01:22:32.980 things that actually Matt had not made mistakes on. Unfortunately, Matt conceded a couple of the

01:22:37.900 like, OK, then I guess that was a mistake. But he was wrong, too, because he was right and Mehdi was

01:22:41.740 being dishonest in his so-called fact checks. Well, now this moron, Representative Stacey Plaskett,

01:22:48.120 we told you about this when we first covered this this cross-examination of Matt when he went before

01:22:52.580 Congress. She's from the Virgin Islands, which, by the way, be quiet. We have more important things,

01:22:57.620 more important people to hear from. I'm just sorry. The Virgin Islands. What? Take a seat.

01:23:01.260 The all the beautiful salt air has gone to her head. She is threatening Taibbi with five years in

01:23:08.340 jail, alleging he lied in front of Congress with one of these fake false fake news fact checks that

01:23:17.720 Mehdi Hassan tried to do, which turned out to be a Taibbi win, not a Mehdi Hassan win. And now she's

01:23:22.860 threatening him, according to Lee Fang's reporting. Stacey Plaskett is floating a threat of five years in

01:23:29.820 jail against Matt Taibbi. I mean, this is where we are. This is the state of American politics.

01:23:33.880 We have morons running the country. Back to you guys. So speaking of morons running the country,

01:23:41.160 let's go down to Nashville, Tennessee, and the so-called Tennessee Three. Their antics continue,

01:23:46.360 right? These two of the three were thrown out of the Tennessee Statehouse after they hijacked the

01:23:50.900 proceedings. We're very mad that their gun agenda, anti-gun agenda did not get passed.

01:23:54.980 They had their fair chance to debate. They didn't win the debate. Then they threw a tantrum

01:23:59.300 and acted like protesters and brought, you know, bullhorns out onto the floor and so on. Got

01:24:04.140 ejected, got put back in. And now they've decided the next move would be to show up, one of them,

01:24:11.440 Justin Jones. He's the one we told our audience about who has the criminal history. So nice, nice,

01:24:16.980 nice new congressmen, Tennesseans, who decided to show up at his next debate at the Tennessee House with

01:24:23.520 a baby casket, the casket of a little baby. This is, this man has not left, led a life consistent

01:24:33.040 with law and order. And now he wants to go in to the Tennessee Statehouse as a representative

01:24:37.620 and try to lecture them on how law and order requires a crackdown on guns, or we're going to

01:24:43.960 have more caskets filled with babies. I can't even get into how inappropriate this is, but this guy

01:24:49.760 continues to be lionized by the press, uh, including he's been invited to go to the White

01:24:55.160 House. The Tennessee three now invited to go sit with Joe Biden, a courtesy not extended Isabel

01:25:00.620 to the families of the victims in that Christian school who were gunned down.

01:25:07.760 You know, I think it's interesting to hear so many people talk about these tactics and antics that are

01:25:12.940 being used by the Tennessee three all the way up to this baby casket, which is I'm sure very

01:25:18.140 emotionally compelling and maybe something that right of center politicians should start utilizing

01:25:23.320 on issues like too early gender transition, making children more likely to commit suicide or the

01:25:28.640 abortion industry if we really want to play that game. But when we're talking about this game of

01:25:32.680 politics, uh, we said it earlier in the previous segment. So well, it's not enough anymore to just

01:25:38.540 have the facts on your side. It's not enough anymore to just be objectively right because the unfortunate

01:25:45.140 reality of where we live today in 2023 America is that we live in a post truth society. It doesn't

01:25:51.660 matter what the facts of this shooting or biological gender or science at large really are, uh, today in

01:25:58.380 2023, we can apply this to any subject and policy matter under the sun. What matters is how you can get

01:26:03.940 people to feel about it. I think we as conservatives for so long have treated this facts don't care about

01:26:09.180 your feelings mantra, which has been overwhelmingly successful as liquid gold, right? We use this as a tool

01:26:15.140 to change so many people's minds and lifestyles, but for generation Z, which is who is supporting

01:26:20.220 this Tennessee three and all of these other policies that we're talking about today, we are a feelings

01:26:25.060 generation. What you're starting to see manipulated through conversations about school shootings, gun

01:26:30.140 control, gender identity, abortion, and everything in between is getting people to act based on their

01:26:35.340 emotions. If they really care about keeping kids safe, then we must outlaw all guns. If you really care about any

01:26:41.460 other policy, then you must align with the left. I think it's high time that the morons running this

01:26:46.100 country, as you so eloquently stated, Megan, start playing that game from a truthful perspective.

01:26:51.740 If we really care about kids, why would we not want to arm our schools with armed police officers to

01:26:57.260 keep them safe the way we do our politicians, our celebrities, our BLM activists, and more,

01:27:02.040 and start applying this to every area of policy, uh, across the board, because we can no longer play a

01:27:07.960 facts game in this feelings world and still expect to win that larger game of changing culture and

01:27:13.580 politics. It reminds me of, uh, over the spring break, I guess it was, I might, I put, I gave my

01:27:20.520 kids a crime marathon in movies, just like some of my old favorites from when I was closer to your age.

01:27:26.880 And we watched, uh, Oh God, sleeping with the enemy with Julia Roberts. Good. Really good. We watched

01:27:34.240 Malice with Alec Baldwin. He was good in that. Um, and, uh, Nicole Kidman. And there was a scene in

01:27:39.940 that movie Malice where this, uh, woman, Anne Bancroft is the actress's name who says to this

01:27:45.340 other character, get into the game. That's what you're saying. Get it. Stop complaining about the

01:27:50.200 rules, like get into the damn game and learn how to play dirty, or you're just going to keep losing

01:27:55.440 to the point we made before the break. Um, I will say this will on the subject of the white house

01:28:02.460 and its behavior that think, thankfully the, I must've been Peter Doocy asked her anything about

01:28:08.840 Joe Biden, inviting the victims of the dead children, uh, to come to the white house and not

01:28:14.700 just these showboats who have behaved inappropriately. And here's how that went.

01:28:19.080 So Monday, you're going to have three of the lawmakers who protested after peacefully protested

01:28:27.600 who peacefully protested after the Nashville covenant school shooting. Have any of the victims

01:28:33.580 or the victims families been invited to the white house? I don't have anything to read out to you

01:28:37.920 about any invite. Why? I just don't have anything at this time to read out to you any invite. What I

01:28:43.800 can say to you right now is that the president is focused on getting things done. Oh my God. Well,

01:28:52.700 feel better. Getting things. No, I feel much worse actually. And knowing that these are the people

01:28:57.580 whose, whose hands my country is in, I feel terrible every day waking up and seeing that, but yeah,

01:29:02.840 cheers to that. Yeah. Hey, you know, it's a Jeremiah 12 one, I believe, which is why does the way of the

01:29:09.000 wicked prosper? This is what our society is nowadays. You have black lives matter being nominated for a

01:29:13.680 Nobel Nobel peace prize, Dr. Anthony Fauci getting a national geographic documentary of Megan the

01:29:18.860 stallion winning a Grammy for what was it? Thought shit was the name of the song. Like the people who

01:29:24.300 are doing the worst things in America today seem to be the ones who get elevated to the highest of

01:29:28.620 statuses in this country, because we are a post virtue society. As Isabel said, a post truth society.

01:29:34.160 We're also opposed to virtue society where virtue is seen as wrong and immoral acts are seen as the

01:29:39.220 most beautiful things that you can have. It's, it's anti-establishment. It's going against

01:29:43.000 the counter conservative culture, all this. And so we are in a real deficit of values,

01:29:48.420 a real deficit of, of morals right now. And the people who really want to take advantage of us

01:29:52.720 are seen as heroes. And I hope that the American people can wake up to the deception that we are

01:29:56.680 with withholding or seeing right now in this country. I need some of that milk too. Abby,

01:30:01.360 you got to get me some of that. I got to, I got to see. Yeah, we need to get on it.

01:30:04.760 Get on it. Um, here is, you know, it's not, it's not unrelated. Uh, it's because it's related to the

01:30:12.320 victim mentality, the nonstop victim mentality, right? Like it's, you disrupt the proceedings

01:30:16.440 down in Tennessee, you have your say, but you don't win. And then you hijack the whole proceedings

01:30:21.560 and you're the victim because you get held to account because they say, you're out, you're out of

01:30:24.880 here. You're ejected. Um, Oh no, you're a victim. And then you will be lionized and you go back and pull

01:30:30.500 another stunt. Um, that leads me to the airplane debate. It really is interesting to me. So a very

01:30:37.400 obese woman who is an influencer, uh, her name is Jalen Chaney is making the argument for

01:30:45.840 a change in the FAA rules saying that if you are obese and you can't easily and comfortably fit into

01:30:54.440 one seat on the airplane, the airline should be required to provide you with a second seat for

01:31:00.100 free quote air quotes free because there's no such thing. It we're going to pay for it. It's

01:31:06.340 somebody pays for it. It's always the other customers. Um, and there's an online debate

01:31:10.900 that's fierce about this saying, well, the airline seats are too small and you know, you buy a seat

01:31:15.620 and it can't accommodate you. What are they supposed to? What are these obese people supposed to do?

01:31:18.700 40% of Americans are obese. That's our country. What do you make of it? Isabel?

01:31:23.680 You know, this debate continues to just shock and amaze me with each and every day,

01:31:27.780 how far we're willing to move the goalposts of what health looks like in society. My educational

01:31:33.380 background is in biomedical sciences. I was pre-med through college and then studied, uh,

01:31:37.660 essentially science policy at Georgetown university for my master's degree, where I was uninvited from

01:31:42.340 speaking today because I'm too controversial as an alum. So had to, had to make sure that got

01:31:47.080 noticed. And that's what my tuition dollars went for. But you know, this obesity conversation and the

01:31:51.540 body positive movement conversation is glossing every single magazine cover of what it means to be

01:31:57.140 healthy for women. It's all over our Tik TOK for you pages for women, but we're not seeing the same

01:32:03.320 conversation happening for men in terms of glorifying obesity, removing any sort of beauty

01:32:08.360 standard or health standard. And I continue to see this continue to go around and around and around

01:32:13.460 in the feminist argument, uh, space online where people are debating whether or not it is healthy

01:32:18.420 to be obese, whether or not it is beautiful to be obese and how much our, our society needs to

01:32:23.220 accommodate for that to the point that our own government has now moved the bench posts and the

01:32:27.380 goalposts of what it means to be obese as a child. We've changed the BMI definition of what obesity is

01:32:33.760 to accommodate for the fact that generation alpha who comes after us is so morbidly obese, that's now

01:32:39.400 normal. So it's healthy. This is ridiculous to even remotely suggest that the FAA should provide

01:32:44.740 two seats, but it's a larger conversation about the lack of overall accountability for self

01:32:49.900 in this country to take care of ourselves means to be healthy, to eat well, to exercise, to take

01:32:55.600 accountability over our own lives, which will inevitably inspire us to do the same for our

01:32:59.660 communities and country at large. But we've created this upside down culture to rely on the government

01:33:05.060 and society first, our community next, then our family, then ourselves. And you're starting to see

01:33:10.180 the deprecation of self value physically manifesting through obesity, obviously, but also through the lack of

01:33:17.200 mental health in this country in the midst of record levels of anxiety, depression, suicidation, the lack of

01:33:22.740 objective truth. Just last night at the University of New Hampshire giving a speech, I was told by a college

01:33:27.680 student that she wouldn't have minded if she was aborted because she had such little value and regard for

01:33:33.860 herself. So I think this is a much larger conversation about instilling human value and virtue back into the

01:33:40.200 individual in America today. And hopefully we'll see a much greater return on investment in that in society.

01:33:45.440 It's really crazy. Like, I mean, well, it reminds me of the, the desktop, like a, I don't know,

01:33:50.280 in the past five days where that it was, I wrote down Toronto Blue Jays pitcher, Anthony Bass. I don't

01:33:55.260 follow sports, but he was on an airplane and he was bitching because his wife had been, he wasn't there,

01:34:00.480 but his wife was on the airplane who was 22 weeks pregnant. And she was traveling with a five-year-old

01:34:04.420 and a two-year-old, their children. And, and he was mad that the stewardess, the flight attendant

01:34:09.100 told his wife to clean up the popcorn that the children had spilled all over the place. He's like,

01:34:12.460 my 22 week old week month pregnant, uh, wife had to get down on her hands and knees and clean up the

01:34:17.300 popcorn. Yes, that's right. Or you make your kids do it like any other normal parent, but this sense

01:34:22.860 of entitlement, like I deserve a free seat. I deserve a servant to clean up after my children.

01:34:27.480 Why not for me? Yeah. Well, everybody wants everything for free. They want to just get

01:34:33.040 everything and not have to work for it. We live in a, again, all these post things, but we live in a

01:34:37.100 post work generation nowadays too, in America where people think that they deserve something

01:34:42.020 without having to work for it. It's incredibly sad because this country was built on the back

01:34:46.060 of people who knew what hard work meant. They knew what tenacity meant. They knew that if you wanted

01:34:49.880 something in your life, you would go out and get it. I mean, you have, what was the poll? It said like

01:34:54.000 92% of young people in this country say that they want to be YouTubers when they grow up.

01:34:58.500 They want some easy job where they can be famous and, and just have their name plastered all over and have

01:35:03.160 a ton of Instagram likes. Like those are the things that the young people value. If that's what

01:35:06.820 young people value, then why would you expect them to value any sort of hard work or dedication

01:35:11.160 or passion to something? It's just not going to happen. So yeah, you need to value hard work in

01:35:16.480 this country. Clean up your child's mess. Better yet, make them do it. And I realize obesity is a

01:35:22.480 massive challenge for a lot of people, but we live with it. You know, accordingly, we live,

01:35:26.540 we all live with the consequences of our own choices. It's not the FAAs or anybody else's

01:35:32.600 responsibility to help you out on that. Sorry. Isabelle and Will, what a pleasure. I hope to

01:35:37.340 see you again. Thank you so much. All right, guys. And don't, don't forget tomorrow we have

01:35:41.640 Neil Ferguson on the show. I'm really looking forward. You may know him as Ayaan Hirsi Ali's

01:35:44.800 husband, but he's brilliant. And you'll get to know him personally tomorrow. Thanks for listening

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 20, 2023

RFK Announces Presidential Run, and Actress Compares Christians to Taliban, with Alex Berenson, Isabel Brown, and Will Witt ｜ Ep. 533

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