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00:00:31.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.200 Today we've got Rick Grinnell. He is a former United States ambassador.

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00:00:52.960 former Fox News contributor, which is where I first got to know him

00:00:56.680 and he's got some fascinating insights on Hunter Biden

00:01:01.080 and the media blackout on this story broken by the New York Post

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00:02:52.480 And now, Rick Grinnell.

00:02:55.840 Rick Grinnell, thank you so much for being here.

00:02:58.900 Thank you for having me.

00:02:59.860 I'm really excited to be here, Megan.

00:03:01.240 I feel like we go back so far.

00:03:02.800 I remember doing the afternoon show on Fox,

00:03:05.580 and this is back before Bolton went to the UN, right?

00:03:10.580 Or maybe it was even my morning show,

00:03:13.100 but it was before Bolton went to the UN as ambassador,

00:03:15.240 and you were a spokesperson,

00:03:16.680 and we were talking about Bolton as UN ambassador back then.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, a long time ago.

00:03:22.020 And as you know, I spent eight years as the spokesman at the UN

00:03:25.940 under four different ambassadors,

00:03:27.760 and I really got to see the different styles of ambassadors

00:03:31.000 and what worked and what didn't work.

00:03:33.380 And I felt it was a real,

00:03:35.520 the best training ground is to kind of watch

00:03:37.700 and learn for so many years.

00:03:39.580 And that's when you and I would talk regularly,

00:03:42.100 and you were always interested in the behind the scenes

00:03:44.340 and working the staff,

00:03:46.240 which is very rare for a journalist to do,

00:03:48.280 but I think it's super important.

00:03:49.600 Well, I kind of love it

00:03:50.240 because you went on to become, among other things,

00:03:52.720 ambassador to Germany.

00:03:54.880 And some of the pushback on your style was,

00:03:57.520 wow, he's aggressive.

00:03:58.140 You know, he's really up front with his information

00:04:01.040 and his demands.

00:04:02.340 And I'm like,

00:04:03.040 does anybody know anything about Rick Grinnell

00:04:04.740 and whose mentor was for a while?

00:04:07.680 I wasn't surprised.

00:04:08.940 Well, obviously you were working for Trump too,

00:04:10.980 and it worked out okay.

00:04:13.060 I want to start with the news

00:04:14.500 that's come out over the past week or so

00:04:16.540 from the New York Post,

00:04:17.620 because you know something about intelligence

00:04:19.640 and, you know, manipulation of campaigns,

00:04:22.920 which is what the Democrats claim is happening now.

00:04:24.940 So I wanted to get your take on this reporting.

00:04:27.000 So in a nutshell,

00:04:29.120 the New York Post is reporting

00:04:30.780 that Hunter Biden discussed leveraging his connection

00:04:34.560 to his dad, then Vice President Joe Biden,

00:04:37.520 in an attempt to increase his money

00:04:40.740 from a Ukrainian natural gas company

00:04:43.260 that he was on the board of.

00:04:44.540 It was called Burisma.

00:04:45.940 He was getting 50,000 bucks a month

00:04:47.880 to advise them on natural gas,

00:04:50.220 something he knew absolutely nothing about.

00:04:52.500 It was a 100% gig

00:04:53.980 to just line Hunter Biden's pockets

00:04:55.800 because this old man was vice president.

00:04:58.200 I mean, that we've kind of known,

00:05:00.540 and it's gross,

00:05:01.700 and Biden won't answer anything about it,

00:05:04.100 and very few reporters have even tried.

00:05:06.760 So we knew all that prior to last week.

00:05:09.900 But what's come out now,

00:05:11.140 according to the Post,

00:05:12.000 and we'll get into the verification,

00:05:13.440 is that he was pretty explicit

00:05:15.980 about using his dad

00:05:18.340 in order to help this company.

00:05:21.140 He talks about my guy as his dad,

00:05:24.020 my guy's upcoming travels,

00:05:26.140 that they need to be characterized

00:05:27.280 as part of my advice,

00:05:29.140 mine, my partner's advice.

00:05:30.920 I need to be protected financially,

00:05:33.180 regardless of the outcome.

00:05:34.380 In other words,

00:05:34.820 I can't guarantee my dad's going to do X, Y, or Z,

00:05:37.040 but I got to make sure I get my money.

00:05:39.860 The contract needs to begin right now,

00:05:41.680 according to this email.

00:05:42.640 I want a retainer

00:05:43.820 in the range of $25,000 per month

00:05:46.620 with additional fees where appropriate.

00:05:48.640 This is all in addition to his $50,000 a month.

00:05:50.680 So the first sort of email report

00:05:52.960 that the Post is releasing

00:05:54.200 shows Hunter and his buddy Archer,

00:05:56.940 that was his business partner,

00:05:58.240 also on the board,

00:05:59.020 another American guy,

00:06:00.060 were cashing in on Biden's vice presidency.

00:06:03.120 Let's just start with that.

00:06:04.300 And let me ask you

00:06:05.040 whether you are suspicious of this reporting

00:06:07.220 because no one else has gone with it

00:06:09.220 besides the Post

00:06:10.080 because it came from some laptop

00:06:13.120 a guy in Delaware

00:06:15.040 says was dropped off at his shop

00:06:17.140 by what he believes was Hunter Biden,

00:06:19.040 but the guy was always drunk,

00:06:20.140 so he couldn't totally decide

00:06:21.400 whether it was Hunter Biden

00:06:22.260 and the shopkeeper

00:06:23.180 happens to be legally blind.

00:06:25.820 You can't make this stuff up

00:06:27.600 or maybe you can.

00:06:29.640 And so it's like,

00:06:30.820 he thinks it was Hunter Biden,

00:06:32.360 but he's not 100% sure.

00:06:33.560 And the FBI sees the laptop

00:06:34.760 and he retained a copy

00:06:35.940 and ultimately gave it

00:06:37.640 through Steve Bannon

00:06:38.420 and Rudy Giuliani

00:06:39.280 to the New York Post.

00:06:40.140 Okay, long wind up

00:06:41.040 to ask you

00:06:41.660 if you believe it

00:06:42.840 and what you think of it.

00:06:44.080 Well, first of all,

00:06:44.560 let me start with,

00:06:46.040 I think people should be

00:06:46.940 always skeptical of politicians,

00:06:49.380 especially when we're close

00:06:50.500 to an election

00:06:51.120 because both sides

00:06:52.960 love to sling mud.

00:06:54.420 Both sides like to push innuendos.

00:06:57.920 And I think we don't have

00:07:01.280 a fight in this country

00:07:02.380 between Republicans

00:07:03.480 and Democrats anymore.

00:07:05.200 I think we have a fight

00:07:06.120 between Washington, D.C.

00:07:07.860 insiders

00:07:08.400 and the rest of America.

00:07:10.140 The rules of Washington

00:07:11.440 are crazy to the rest of us.

00:07:14.380 We look at what happens

00:07:15.820 in Washington

00:07:16.380 and we think,

00:07:17.140 how in the world

00:07:17.740 could this happen?

00:07:19.500 I think that when you look

00:07:21.460 at the evidence,

00:07:22.800 not the spin

00:07:23.660 or the innuendo,

00:07:25.420 there's clearly emails

00:07:27.940 showing that Hunter Biden

00:07:30.240 not only was being brazen

00:07:33.000 with selling access

00:07:35.080 to his dad,

00:07:36.860 the vice president,

00:07:37.920 but the emails show

00:07:39.980 that he and his uncle,

00:07:43.100 Joe Biden's brother,

00:07:45.040 were selling access

00:07:47.780 and literally saying

00:07:49.440 that they were saving

00:07:50.720 10% some money

00:07:52.980 for the big man.

00:07:54.680 Now, I think what we have

00:07:56.580 to be able to do

00:07:57.460 is evaluate,

00:07:58.560 are these emails real?

00:08:00.100 But we shouldn't ignore

00:08:01.360 the emails.

00:08:02.040 We shouldn't say

00:08:03.140 politics is messy

00:08:04.280 and the computer,

00:08:06.920 getting up the computer

00:08:07.880 situation was,

00:08:08.920 you know,

00:08:09.900 crazy and odd,

00:08:10.760 so let's dismiss it.

00:08:11.720 I think we see

00:08:12.820 these emails,

00:08:14.340 very troubling emails.

00:08:16.480 The media in Washington

00:08:17.820 should immediately

00:08:18.740 start authenticating

00:08:19.980 these emails.

00:08:21.220 What we do know

00:08:22.180 is that the laptop

00:08:23.800 is with the FBI.

00:08:25.440 The FBI would not

00:08:26.900 keep the laptop

00:08:28.120 if it didn't feel

00:08:30.100 it needed

00:08:30.520 to be investigated.

00:08:31.500 The FBI

00:08:32.680 has had this

00:08:33.500 for a while.

00:08:35.040 And so,

00:08:35.540 to me,

00:08:36.220 it's pretty obvious

00:08:37.640 that these emails

00:08:38.860 are real.

00:08:39.760 If they weren't real,

00:08:40.620 we would have

00:08:40.980 immediately heard

00:08:41.980 from the FBI.

00:08:43.480 But I take

00:08:44.260 the other side

00:08:45.420 position to say,

00:08:46.560 let's test it.

00:08:47.680 Let's look at the emails.

00:08:48.960 Let's look at the metadata.

00:08:50.400 Let's make sure.

00:08:51.640 If these emails

00:08:52.660 are true,

00:08:54.000 then Joe Biden's

00:08:55.460 brother and Joe Biden's

00:08:56.520 son are selling

00:08:57.560 access

00:08:58.180 at a troubling rate.

00:09:00.440 And there is

00:09:01.160 some evidence

00:09:01.920 suggesting that

00:09:02.900 Joe Biden

00:09:03.440 also got some money.

00:09:05.440 Now,

00:09:06.080 David Ignatius...

00:09:07.560 Let me just jump in

00:09:08.480 to expand

00:09:09.600 on the allegations.

00:09:11.180 So,

00:09:11.300 the New York Post

00:09:11.860 is also reporting

00:09:13.060 that Hunter Biden

00:09:14.420 introduced

00:09:15.360 the number three

00:09:16.780 executive of Burisma,

00:09:18.360 this Ukrainian businessman,

00:09:19.780 to the vice president

00:09:20.680 while he was

00:09:21.580 the sitting vice president.

00:09:23.260 And it was about

00:09:24.700 a year after

00:09:25.440 Hunter joined

00:09:26.580 the board.

00:09:27.520 So,

00:09:28.100 they ran this

00:09:28.800 by the vice president's

00:09:29.900 office,

00:09:30.300 they ran this

00:09:30.660 by Joe Biden's office,

00:09:31.540 and his people now

00:09:32.460 are saying,

00:09:33.480 well,

00:09:33.700 that meeting

00:09:34.520 is not on his schedule.

00:09:37.000 So,

00:09:37.260 number one...

00:09:37.740 They're not denying it.

00:09:38.860 Right,

00:09:39.200 you might not put

00:09:39.900 that meeting

00:09:40.340 on the vice president's

00:09:41.280 schedule,

00:09:42.000 given how

00:09:42.640 hinky the connection

00:09:44.260 is with his son

00:09:45.080 and so on.

00:09:45.640 And number two,

00:09:46.700 it is a non-denial denial.

00:09:48.860 It's not on the schedule.

00:09:50.480 Well,

00:09:50.660 what does that mean?

00:09:51.220 That doesn't mean

00:09:51.720 it didn't happen.

00:09:52.940 And the thing

00:09:53.880 that's weirdest

00:09:54.440 to me,

00:09:55.020 Rick,

00:09:55.200 is that

00:09:55.580 they haven't had

00:09:58.520 Hunter Biden

00:09:59.340 put out a statement

00:10:00.320 or Joe Biden

00:10:01.540 put out a statement

00:10:02.200 saying,

00:10:02.820 all of these

00:10:04.260 are lies.

00:10:05.640 Hunter Biden

00:10:06.080 never did this.

00:10:07.000 This is not his laptop.

00:10:08.240 These are not his emails.

00:10:09.940 They're not saying

00:10:11.360 any of that.

00:10:12.360 And to me,

00:10:12.840 as a lawyer,

00:10:13.580 that has red flags

00:10:14.580 all over it.

00:10:15.200 And it's because

00:10:16.200 the FBI

00:10:17.360 has the laptop,

00:10:18.780 has not given

00:10:19.440 the laptop back.

00:10:21.000 And so,

00:10:21.360 while the media

00:10:22.100 are speculating,

00:10:23.220 and I've talked

00:10:23.800 to a lot of reporters

00:10:24.740 who have called me

00:10:25.440 to say,

00:10:25.780 what do you know?

00:10:26.700 And every reporter

00:10:27.920 from the New York Times

00:10:28.860 to Politico

00:10:29.600 to the Hill

00:10:30.380 to the Washington Post

00:10:31.500 who called me

00:10:32.280 and asked me about these,

00:10:33.820 they feel very strongly

00:10:35.820 that they can't report

00:10:37.980 on these,

00:10:38.840 this laptop

00:10:40.520 and these emails

00:10:41.180 until they feel

00:10:42.760 that the emails

00:10:44.200 are authenticated.

00:10:45.520 Now,

00:10:46.260 I get it

00:10:47.320 that you want

00:10:48.080 to make sure

00:10:48.720 that they're authenticated,

00:10:51.520 but I think

00:10:52.200 that there's a way

00:10:52.980 that you can report

00:10:54.000 on trying

00:10:55.020 to authenticate them,

00:10:56.320 trying to dig deep,

00:10:57.600 educating us.

00:10:58.820 It is not acceptable

00:11:00.140 to have reporters

00:11:01.180 ignore the story

00:11:02.660 or,

00:11:04.000 as David Ignatius

00:11:05.020 has done,

00:11:05.740 suggest somehow

00:11:06.740 that this is

00:11:07.760 Russian collusion.

00:11:08.760 I'm tired

00:11:09.380 of the Russian collusion.

00:11:11.000 I'm a skeptic

00:11:11.760 of Russian.

00:11:12.460 It's called

00:11:12.900 Russian propaganda.

00:11:14.600 They have done this

00:11:15.520 to us

00:11:16.020 and to every other country

00:11:17.380 for a long time.

00:11:18.440 I'm not naive.

00:11:19.600 I'm clear-eyed

00:11:20.300 about Russian propaganda.

00:11:21.820 But there comes a point

00:11:23.000 when the left

00:11:23.640 is throwing everything

00:11:24.960 and blaming everything

00:11:26.520 on the Russians

00:11:27.720 that it becomes

00:11:29.180 a chicken little situation.

00:11:31.440 They're confusing

00:11:32.440 the public

00:11:33.000 because if the Russians

00:11:34.520 do everything,

00:11:35.380 then the Russians

00:11:35.880 do nothing.

00:11:36.920 And I think

00:11:37.380 that we're at this point

00:11:38.700 where reporters

00:11:39.900 have a responsibility

00:11:41.240 and they're not

00:11:42.840 taking that responsibility.

00:11:44.160 Megan,

00:11:44.440 this is where I come back

00:11:45.780 to where I originally started,

00:11:47.540 which is the ways

00:11:48.680 of Washington

00:11:49.360 are not just the ways

00:11:51.220 of Washington politicians.

00:11:52.940 It is the ways

00:11:53.920 of Washington journalists.

00:11:55.500 We have journalists,

00:11:56.620 politicians,

00:11:57.520 lobbyists.

00:11:58.520 They all live

00:12:00.220 in Washington.

00:12:01.580 They all go to school.

00:12:03.340 Their kids go

00:12:04.100 to the same school.

00:12:05.040 They go to the same church.

00:12:06.140 They shop

00:12:06.580 at the same grocery store.

00:12:08.480 These are people

00:12:09.460 who protect themselves

00:12:11.040 and we collectively

00:12:12.600 call this,

00:12:13.680 you know,

00:12:14.220 a funny name,

00:12:15.100 the swamp.

00:12:16.200 But what the swamp

00:12:17.180 really means

00:12:17.920 is that they are

00:12:19.680 in this area,

00:12:22.000 a stale area,

00:12:23.620 a closed off area

00:12:25.080 all together

00:12:26.020 and there's no

00:12:27.020 outside fresh water

00:12:28.360 coming in.

00:12:29.460 There's no outside

00:12:30.580 perspective

00:12:31.240 and I think

00:12:32.420 that's where

00:12:33.260 we're really in danger

00:12:34.580 where,

00:12:35.940 like the Hunger Games

00:12:37.120 scenario,

00:12:38.640 the capital

00:12:39.320 is doing

00:12:40.480 its own thing

00:12:41.180 and ignoring

00:12:41.920 the people

00:12:42.720 and this

00:12:43.660 Hunter Biden

00:12:44.600 scandal

00:12:45.260 is yet another

00:12:46.360 example

00:12:46.880 where the media

00:12:47.620 have decided

00:12:48.340 that they're

00:12:49.460 not going

00:12:50.180 to turn away

00:12:52.920 from the 47-year,

00:12:55.600 the guy

00:12:56.600 who's been

00:12:57.040 in Washington

00:12:58.160 for 47 years

00:12:59.280 because he plays

00:13:00.060 by their rules.

00:13:00.960 They know he will

00:13:01.780 play by their rules.

00:13:03.460 But I have to say,

00:13:04.720 do we really

00:13:06.120 think that Joe

00:13:06.980 Biden has

00:13:07.880 saved a good

00:13:08.780 idea for year

00:13:09.740 48?

00:13:11.040 Do we think

00:13:11.840 that in year

00:13:12.400 48 he's going

00:13:13.400 to do something

00:13:14.020 different?

00:13:14.620 I don't think

00:13:15.200 so and neither

00:13:16.420 do most of

00:13:17.020 the American

00:13:17.440 people when

00:13:18.220 they look

00:13:18.620 at the situation

00:13:19.380 and they say

00:13:20.000 Washington,

00:13:21.220 stale,

00:13:22.300 got to change,

00:13:23.240 it's protecting

00:13:23.960 itself,

00:13:24.740 it's the swamp.

00:13:25.560 Well that's what's,

00:13:26.140 I mean to your

00:13:26.500 point about the

00:13:27.060 swamp and D.C.,

00:13:28.380 it's like everyone

00:13:29.300 knew that Hunter

00:13:30.240 Biden was sitting

00:13:30.980 on the board

00:13:31.380 of this company

00:13:31.960 getting 50,000

00:13:33.060 bucks a month

00:13:33.680 and some people

00:13:34.460 inside the State

00:13:35.200 Department actually

00:13:35.840 jumped up and down

00:13:36.780 and there's been

00:13:37.980 testimonials that

00:13:39.420 they actually went

00:13:40.220 directly to the

00:13:41.080 vice president to

00:13:41.840 said this stinks

00:13:43.220 to high heaven.

00:13:44.540 We got your kid

00:13:45.240 who knows nothing

00:13:46.040 about natural gas

00:13:47.100 sitting on the

00:13:47.840 board collecting

00:13:48.520 50 grand a month.

00:13:50.380 It smells bad

00:13:51.300 and now what's

00:13:52.320 happened and

00:13:53.360 everybody's shoulder

00:13:54.220 shrugs, right,

00:13:54.780 because it's going

00:13:55.100 to hurt Biden

00:13:55.700 potentially if you

00:13:56.300 get too deep into

00:13:57.020 it and the press

00:13:57.680 has no interest

00:13:58.180 in doing that.

00:13:59.380 But now what's

00:13:59.880 happened through

00:14:00.620 the Post is

00:14:01.980 reporting that it

00:14:02.700 was much worse

00:14:03.400 than that,

00:14:03.980 that a week

00:14:05.340 before,

00:14:06.620 or it was a

00:14:07.460 month,

00:14:07.700 no, it was a

00:14:08.060 week before

00:14:08.780 Joe Biden came

00:14:10.220 out and actually

00:14:10.960 pressured Ukrainian

00:14:12.360 president to get

00:14:13.660 rid of this

00:14:14.280 prosecutor who was

00:14:15.200 looking into

00:14:15.740 Burisma, like

00:14:16.560 there was this

00:14:17.120 prosecutor over

00:14:17.740 there who was

00:14:18.300 investigating the

00:14:19.340 company that

00:14:19.900 Hunter, who's

00:14:21.180 board Hunter was

00:14:22.080 on.

00:14:22.920 And right before

00:14:23.900 that, the Post

00:14:25.100 is reporting,

00:14:25.960 Biden met, he

00:14:27.060 met with a

00:14:28.060 Burisma advisor

00:14:29.680 thanks to his

00:14:31.000 son Hunter.

00:14:31.460 So Hunter's

00:14:32.020 behind the

00:14:32.420 scenes making

00:14:32.840 all sorts of

00:14:33.460 introductions,

00:14:34.860 making requests,

00:14:36.300 trying to line

00:14:36.800 his pockets to

00:14:38.500 even more than

00:14:39.280 50 grand a month

00:14:40.140 for doing all of

00:14:40.980 this.

00:14:41.720 And everybody's

00:14:42.220 like, oh, well,

00:14:44.420 I don't know.

00:14:45.080 Seems like Russian

00:14:45.780 disinformation.

00:14:46.480 And maybe it is,

00:14:47.600 but there's no

00:14:48.520 curiosity to look

00:14:49.320 into it.

00:14:49.800 None.

00:14:50.160 I can tell you

00:14:51.000 it's not Russian

00:14:51.720 disinformation.

00:14:52.860 John Ratcliffe has

00:14:53.740 said that with our

00:14:54.760 director of national

00:14:56.500 intelligence.

00:14:57.000 But this is the

00:14:57.860 ways of Washington

00:14:58.740 where they say,

00:14:59.700 you know what,

00:15:00.300 we know that the

00:15:01.840 son of a vice

00:15:02.520 president is going

00:15:03.220 to sell access.

00:15:04.080 These are our

00:15:04.640 rules in Washington.

00:15:05.600 Everybody sells

00:15:06.240 access.

00:15:06.860 So we don't have

00:15:07.960 a problem with it

00:15:08.820 and neither should

00:15:09.460 you.

00:15:09.840 But the American

00:15:10.400 people do because

00:15:11.420 this is a real

00:15:12.640 problem not just

00:15:13.500 for Ukraine.

00:15:14.680 The emails show

00:15:16.160 there's a whole

00:15:17.140 China angle where

00:15:18.980 he has been

00:15:20.300 selling access to

00:15:22.280 Chinese businessmen.

00:15:23.460 The reason we know

00:15:24.340 about the meeting

00:15:25.880 between the Ukrainian

00:15:28.260 businessmen and

00:15:29.440 Joe Biden is

00:15:30.560 because the

00:15:30.960 Ukrainian businessmen

00:15:32.120 came out in an

00:15:33.080 email and thanked

00:15:34.140 Hunter for meeting

00:15:35.660 Joe Biden.

00:15:36.420 So we know that

00:15:37.280 that meeting has

00:15:37.940 taken place.

00:15:39.160 So this is a real

00:15:40.620 scandal and let me

00:15:41.860 just finish on your

00:15:42.600 point about the

00:15:43.480 State Department.

00:15:44.280 The official is,

00:15:45.420 his name is George

00:15:46.340 Kent and he's a

00:15:47.680 career State

00:15:48.920 Department official.

00:15:49.640 I've worked at the

00:15:50.320 State Department for

00:15:51.060 11 years and I

00:15:52.180 know these career

00:15:53.000 officials.

00:15:54.120 George Kent is the

00:15:54.960 same one who

00:15:55.620 testified on the

00:15:57.220 Ukraine issue when

00:15:59.220 Congress was

00:16:00.500 looking to impeach

00:16:01.480 Donald Trump and

00:16:02.900 he went and gave

00:16:04.160 his testimony during

00:16:05.540 the Trump impeachment.

00:16:07.560 He also has said

00:16:09.500 early on he

00:16:11.900 approached the

00:16:12.720 vice president,

00:16:13.560 Joe Biden vice

00:16:14.280 president at the

00:16:15.100 time, approached

00:16:16.260 the office to say

00:16:17.580 we at the State

00:16:18.700 Department, we

00:16:19.440 career officials are

00:16:21.440 very uncomfortable

00:16:23.060 with your son

00:16:24.260 selling access.

00:16:26.820 The vice

00:16:27.220 president's office

00:16:28.160 told the State

00:16:29.700 Department, we are

00:16:31.220 not uncomfortable,

00:16:32.720 mind your own

00:16:33.260 business.

00:16:34.320 The State Department

00:16:35.120 continued to raise

00:16:36.440 these issues with

00:16:37.840 others at the

00:16:38.600 White House.

00:16:39.540 The Obama White

00:16:40.480 House knew this was

00:16:41.740 a problem and even

00:16:44.720 now we're seeing

00:16:45.820 reports that when

00:16:47.580 Obama was vetting

00:16:48.920 Joe Biden, that the

00:16:50.760 banking issues, the

00:16:52.320 access from Hunter

00:16:53.840 was one of the

00:16:55.800 concerns of the

00:16:56.720 Obama team and

00:16:57.620 they didn't do

00:16:58.540 enough about it.

00:16:59.300 But I go back to

00:17:00.340 the corruption

00:17:01.380 ways of selling

00:17:02.600 access in

00:17:03.300 Washington are

00:17:04.700 shrugged by those

00:17:05.900 in Washington

00:17:06.440 because everybody

00:17:07.600 does it.

00:17:08.520 Right.

00:17:08.920 But it's

00:17:09.320 disgusting to

00:17:09.980 those of us on

00:17:10.600 the outside, you

00:17:11.540 know, who don't

00:17:12.540 get paid $50,000

00:17:13.620 to do nothing

00:17:14.640 other than sell

00:17:15.580 access to our

00:17:16.480 parents.

00:17:17.860 And the thing

00:17:18.140 about China, I

00:17:18.980 mean, that's so

00:17:20.220 I mean, I think

00:17:20.740 most people, their

00:17:21.260 eyes kind of glaze

00:17:21.940 over when you get

00:17:22.480 into Ukraine and

00:17:23.420 China.

00:17:23.820 But the bottom

00:17:24.460 line is what

00:17:25.580 these what this

00:17:26.580 reporting by the

00:17:27.280 New York Post

00:17:27.840 shows and it

00:17:29.400 dovetails on

00:17:30.700 earlier reporting

00:17:31.460 that is confirmed.

00:17:32.380 That's why it's so

00:17:32.880 interesting.

00:17:33.840 There was a

00:17:34.180 purported email

00:17:34.840 cited by the Post

00:17:35.580 from Hunter

00:17:36.280 indicating that he

00:17:37.140 was receiving

00:17:37.700 10 million bucks

00:17:38.940 a year, a fee

00:17:39.820 of $10 million

00:17:40.540 annually for from

00:17:42.840 a Chinese

00:17:43.280 billionaire for

00:17:44.080 introductions alone

00:17:45.440 and that the

00:17:46.540 big guy, the big

00:17:47.520 guy, which is Joe

00:17:48.380 Biden, might be

00:17:49.800 getting a percentage

00:17:50.460 of that.

00:17:51.080 Now that that is

00:17:52.660 worth looking into

00:17:53.480 and I realize

00:17:54.080 people think

00:17:55.080 isn't to be

00:17:57.060 trusted and that

00:17:57.700 he might be

00:17:58.140 getting used, but

00:17:59.600 these are important

00:18:01.200 things to know

00:18:02.380 because it

00:18:03.040 compromises everyone

00:18:04.860 involved, including

00:18:05.660 the man who wants

00:18:06.540 to be president in

00:18:07.420 two and a half

00:18:08.020 weeks.

00:18:09.200 And Joe Biden

00:18:10.240 just continues to

00:18:11.940 dismiss any

00:18:12.980 concerns about

00:18:13.860 Hunter, Rick, as

00:18:15.160 oh, he had a

00:18:16.780 drug problem and I

00:18:17.580 love my son.

00:18:18.380 Well, it's

00:18:20.140 it's not about

00:18:21.260 his son's drug

00:18:22.180 problem that

00:18:23.000 most Americans

00:18:24.380 are not looking

00:18:25.000 to beat up on

00:18:25.560 Hunter for

00:18:26.280 having an

00:18:27.080 addiction.

00:18:27.800 It's what he

00:18:28.880 was doing that

00:18:30.080 may have been

00:18:30.640 corrupt that we

00:18:31.880 need to know

00:18:32.240 about.

00:18:32.520 And if it's

00:18:32.860 certainly if it

00:18:33.440 went right into

00:18:34.180 the office of

00:18:34.780 the then vice

00:18:35.320 president, we

00:18:36.540 deserve to have

00:18:37.120 real answers.

00:18:38.120 I am very

00:18:39.180 troubled by one

00:18:40.300 thing.

00:18:40.720 David Ignatius

00:18:41.500 in the Post

00:18:42.060 wrote a piece

00:18:42.760 and he tried he

00:18:43.480 was trying to

00:18:44.100 spin for Joe

00:18:45.060 Biden to say

00:18:45.820 corruption and

00:18:47.940 access is what

00:18:49.580 happens in

00:18:50.220 Washington and

00:18:51.000 that's just

00:18:51.440 Hunter.

00:18:52.080 It has nothing

00:18:52.600 to do with

00:18:53.120 Joe Biden.

00:18:54.320 I'm very

00:18:54.940 uncomfortable

00:18:55.420 because the

00:18:56.180 quote that

00:18:57.480 David Ignatius

00:18:58.400 uses from

00:19:00.580 Hunter Biden,

00:19:01.700 and this was

00:19:02.780 many years ago,

00:19:03.840 Hunter Biden

00:19:04.460 admits that he

00:19:06.060 is under

00:19:06.440 incredible pressure

00:19:07.600 to raise money

00:19:09.000 for the family.

00:19:09.980 He says,

00:19:11.480 my brother,

00:19:13.340 and so clearly

00:19:14.160 Beau Biden is

00:19:14.960 alive at this

00:19:15.680 time.

00:19:16.040 We know that

00:19:16.520 he has died

00:19:17.520 of cancer.

00:19:19.220 But at this

00:19:20.080 time, Hunter

00:19:20.680 says, my

00:19:22.620 brother Beau is

00:19:23.420 going to run

00:19:23.800 for political

00:19:24.420 office.

00:19:25.180 He's not going

00:19:25.720 to be able to

00:19:26.060 have money.

00:19:27.000 My dad is in

00:19:28.520 political office.

00:19:29.520 He doesn't have

00:19:30.080 money.

00:19:30.620 I have to raise

00:19:31.620 the money for

00:19:32.320 the family.

00:19:34.540 And then we

00:19:35.100 see these emails

00:19:36.200 saying we're

00:19:36.900 saving money for

00:19:37.880 the big guy,

00:19:38.760 Joe Biden's

00:19:39.500 brother.

00:19:39.980 And Hunter

00:19:40.980 Biden.

00:19:41.460 I'm very

00:19:42.160 uncomfortable

00:19:42.860 because I know

00:19:44.280 Washington, I know

00:19:45.200 the ways of

00:19:45.760 Washington, and I

00:19:46.640 know what's

00:19:47.240 dismissed in

00:19:48.320 terms of the

00:19:48.900 corruption.

00:19:50.160 This is

00:19:50.880 corruption, and

00:19:52.160 we need to get

00:19:53.180 to the bottom

00:19:53.720 of it, and we

00:19:54.480 only have a

00:19:55.200 little while.

00:19:55.780 I can tell you

00:19:56.560 this, though,

00:19:57.080 Megan, there

00:19:58.100 are a couple

00:19:59.140 of other outlets

00:20:00.340 who are working

00:20:01.420 on bigger

00:20:02.400 angles that

00:20:03.420 would prove

00:20:04.000 this even

00:20:04.620 more, and I

00:20:05.780 believe those

00:20:06.480 will come out

00:20:07.060 in the next

00:20:07.480 week.

00:20:08.480 Good, good,

00:20:09.060 because you

00:20:09.600 know as well

00:20:10.280 as I do

00:20:10.880 that as

00:20:12.560 odd as

00:20:13.940 the chain

00:20:14.940 is in

00:20:15.800 getting this

00:20:16.260 story out,

00:20:17.020 it was like

00:20:17.500 the legally

00:20:18.240 blind computer

00:20:19.860 repairman, which

00:20:20.700 must be a story

00:20:21.360 unto itself.

00:20:22.320 I mean, how

00:20:22.620 does one make a

00:20:25.340 living in that

00:20:26.620 line of work

00:20:27.360 when one is

00:20:27.960 legally blind?

00:20:28.700 But we'll get

00:20:29.520 to that another

00:20:30.020 day.

00:20:30.540 So this guy

00:20:31.460 has the laptop,

00:20:32.640 the alleged

00:20:33.040 hunter never

00:20:33.720 returns for it,

00:20:34.780 the guy winds

00:20:35.480 up calling the

00:20:36.140 FBI, the FBI

00:20:37.120 comes and gets

00:20:37.740 it with a

00:20:38.080 subpoena, he

00:20:38.740 maintained a

00:20:39.300 copy, he

00:20:40.220 winds up giving

00:20:40.820 it to Rudy

00:20:41.260 Giuliani's

00:20:41.920 lawyer because

00:20:42.560 he realized

00:20:43.200 that nobody

00:20:43.820 was going to

00:20:44.240 do anything

00:20:44.540 about this,

00:20:45.160 and he

00:20:45.380 thought it

00:20:46.180 contradicted

00:20:47.080 some of the

00:20:47.520 public narratives

00:20:48.220 Biden has

00:20:48.720 put out.

00:20:49.840 Giuliani, I

00:20:50.400 guess, gave

00:20:50.700 it to Steve

00:20:51.160 Bannon, I

00:20:51.940 mean, who's

00:20:52.540 under federal

00:20:53.200 indictment, so

00:20:53.880 it's sketchy.

00:20:54.600 I get why

00:20:55.040 people are like,

00:20:55.740 well, but you

00:20:56.980 know very well

00:20:57.580 if that same

00:20:58.380 chain of custody

00:20:59.360 of the story

00:21:00.060 emerged in the

00:21:01.920 context of a

00:21:02.480 story about

00:21:02.820 Donald Trump,

00:21:03.500 every reporter

00:21:04.640 in the country

00:21:05.600 would be working

00:21:06.480 their butt off

00:21:07.480 to confirm it

00:21:08.660 and track it

00:21:09.640 down, and

00:21:10.080 they're not,

00:21:10.520 and what we

00:21:11.140 saw last week

00:21:11.780 of course.

00:21:12.380 And they

00:21:12.500 would be

00:21:12.840 reporting on

00:21:13.660 every piece

00:21:14.260 of drama

00:21:14.800 and nuance

00:21:16.120 before they

00:21:16.780 could confirm.

00:21:17.280 Of course, I

00:21:17.740 love how

00:21:18.220 suddenly people

00:21:18.860 are pretending

00:21:19.360 that if you

00:21:19.840 don't have

00:21:20.320 40 different

00:21:21.620 legitimate papers

00:21:23.340 confirming on

00:21:24.240 it, no one

00:21:24.660 gets to discuss

00:21:25.380 it.

00:21:25.940 Bull, that's

00:21:26.660 never been the

00:21:27.140 standard.

00:21:27.660 Only now that

00:21:28.340 it's bad for

00:21:28.840 Biden are they

00:21:29.280 like, you can't

00:21:30.120 even mention it.

00:21:31.240 And what the

00:21:31.720 nonsense that

00:21:32.420 Twitter and

00:21:32.900 Facebook pulled

00:21:33.600 last week in

00:21:34.360 completely shutting

00:21:35.400 it down, Twitter

00:21:36.140 not even allowing

00:21:37.140 you to tweet

00:21:37.860 out a link to

00:21:38.600 it, freezing

00:21:39.440 the press

00:21:40.100 secretary's

00:21:40.700 account, the

00:21:41.620 New York

00:21:41.860 Post remains

00:21:42.760 frozen as of

00:21:43.880 this day because

00:21:45.220 it's tried to

00:21:46.040 tweet out links

00:21:46.920 to its own

00:21:47.360 story, is just

00:21:48.900 fuel on that

00:21:49.680 fire.

00:21:50.240 It was a

00:21:51.500 decision at

00:21:52.140 Facebook made

00:21:52.780 by a Democratic

00:21:53.400 operative saying

00:21:54.240 this is bad for

00:21:54.780 Joe Biden, we're

00:21:55.280 not doing it.

00:21:56.020 Yeah, it's

00:21:56.560 scary to me when

00:21:57.340 I look at the

00:21:57.900 power of big

00:21:58.600 tech and the

00:22:00.060 exceptions that

00:22:02.020 they have been

00:22:02.700 allowed to

00:22:03.460 get so that

00:22:04.840 they can't be

00:22:05.480 sued and that

00:22:06.280 somehow they're

00:22:06.960 acting, you

00:22:08.000 know, beyond

00:22:09.740 the scope of a

00:22:10.440 publisher.

00:22:11.740 And I just

00:22:12.680 feel like big

00:22:14.100 technology got

00:22:15.380 early on, they

00:22:16.980 got the

00:22:17.720 waivers in

00:22:18.560 order to

00:22:19.540 allow them to

00:22:20.440 have freedom

00:22:21.260 on the

00:22:22.300 internet.

00:22:22.860 And they

00:22:23.240 have abused

00:22:24.280 the spirit of

00:22:25.180 why they got

00:22:25.820 the exception.

00:22:26.940 Yeah.

00:22:27.440 Yeah, because

00:22:28.040 just so the

00:22:29.460 viewers know,

00:22:30.200 they have a

00:22:31.040 protection that

00:22:31.540 doesn't let

00:22:31.920 them get sued

00:22:32.520 for, you

00:22:33.560 know, viewer

00:22:33.900 comments, reader

00:22:34.660 comments.

00:22:35.220 So if you go

00:22:35.600 on there and

00:22:35.960 you say something

00:22:36.340 defamatory about

00:22:37.200 somebody, that

00:22:38.200 somebody might be

00:22:38.940 able to sue

00:22:39.340 you, but they

00:22:40.200 can't sue

00:22:40.660 Facebook or

00:22:41.260 Twitter because

00:22:42.120 they're like,

00:22:42.560 hey, we're just

00:22:42.860 a platform.

00:22:43.600 You know, we're

00:22:43.780 not endorsing

00:22:44.380 content or not

00:22:45.120 endorsing content.

00:22:46.380 But man, they're

00:22:46.900 really sticking

00:22:47.360 their nose in

00:22:48.500 content now in a

00:22:49.780 way that is

00:22:51.340 clearly inappropriate.

00:22:52.820 I mean, it's

00:22:53.140 clearly inappropriate

00:22:54.160 and it only ever

00:22:55.180 inures to the

00:22:55.860 benefit of one

00:22:56.520 side.

00:22:57.220 Correct.

00:22:57.300 And I know

00:22:58.500 personally, I was

00:23:00.160 frozen out, locked

00:23:01.920 out of Twitter

00:23:02.600 because I shared

00:23:04.300 my neighbor who

00:23:06.400 came to me and

00:23:07.380 said, I just got

00:23:08.300 two ballots, one

00:23:09.200 for my mom and

00:23:09.880 one for my dad,

00:23:10.960 sent to my

00:23:11.480 house.

00:23:12.740 And my mom and

00:23:13.680 dad have been

00:23:14.080 both dead for

00:23:15.080 more than 10

00:23:15.740 years in Los

00:23:16.440 Angeles County.

00:23:17.960 And so he and

00:23:19.260 I decided because

00:23:20.400 we wanted it to be

00:23:21.320 very authentic with

00:23:22.440 the addresses on

00:23:23.520 it so that there

00:23:24.580 wasn't a question

00:23:25.460 of marking out

00:23:26.540 some sort of

00:23:27.300 information and

00:23:28.160 people being

00:23:28.660 skeptical about

00:23:29.640 lack of

00:23:31.160 transparency or

00:23:32.260 deletions,

00:23:33.620 redactions.

00:23:34.420 I know about the

00:23:35.560 skepticism that

00:23:36.340 comes from

00:23:36.760 redactions.

00:23:38.160 And so he and I

00:23:38.820 decided to share

00:23:39.840 the real ballot.

00:23:42.280 And Twitter

00:23:43.680 has community

00:23:46.180 policers

00:23:47.080 employed by

00:23:48.360 Twitter, and

00:23:48.940 those community

00:23:49.800 policing individuals

00:23:51.340 decided to lock

00:23:53.240 me out for

00:23:54.480 sharing the

00:23:55.160 private information

00:23:56.060 rather than take

00:23:57.920 the time to go to

00:23:59.300 the Los Angeles

00:23:59.980 County Register of

00:24:01.000 Voters to say,

00:24:01.900 you have some dead

00:24:03.060 people on the

00:24:03.740 rolls, maybe you

00:24:04.680 should do something

00:24:05.340 about it.

00:24:06.160 If we're going to

00:24:06.760 have community

00:24:07.420 policing through the

00:24:09.000 internet or through

00:24:10.040 social media companies,

00:24:11.800 I think they should

00:24:12.580 go after the

00:24:13.500 problem, not the

00:24:15.320 messenger of the

00:24:16.140 problem.

00:24:16.400 In a second, we'll

00:24:18.240 have more with

00:24:18.940 Rick Grinnell on

00:24:19.800 what it's like to

00:24:20.380 be a gay

00:24:20.920 conservative who

00:24:21.900 grew up as an

00:24:22.800 evangelical Christian

00:24:23.760 and is still a

00:24:24.860 man of faith.

00:24:25.620 But first, let's

00:24:26.400 talk about Zip

00:24:27.300 Recruiter.

00:24:28.180 You know how it

00:24:28.800 is when you're

00:24:29.180 trying to hire

00:24:29.620 people, right?

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00:25:42.500 I think it was

00:25:48.500 Dr. Scott Ellis

00:25:49.280 who just raised a

00:25:50.020 question about

00:25:50.440 whether masks

00:25:51.020 are effective.

00:25:52.100 No,

00:25:52.600 done.

00:25:52.960 You can't tweet

00:25:53.540 that.

00:25:54.040 No dissenting

00:25:54.900 viewpoints are

00:25:55.560 allowed anymore,

00:25:56.560 right?

00:25:56.820 It's like,

00:25:57.440 you're not allowed

00:25:58.620 to have an opinion

00:25:59.380 that masks don't

00:26:00.480 work,

00:26:00.880 even though that's

00:26:01.780 what the WHO

00:26:03.080 was saying when

00:26:03.760 this whole thing

00:26:04.220 kicked off.

00:26:04.760 You're no longer

00:26:05.280 allowed to say that

00:26:05.940 or it's disinformation

00:26:06.820 and the Twitter

00:26:07.880 gods will slap

00:26:09.000 your hand and

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00:26:10.440 so that you're

00:26:11.140 not even allowed

00:26:11.620 to speak the

00:26:12.640 words.

00:26:13.440 So people who

00:26:13.940 are looking,

00:26:15.060 who have doubts,

00:26:16.140 right,

00:26:16.360 about the information

00:26:16.960 we're getting from

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00:26:19.520 and quarantines

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00:26:21.360 they're not allowed

00:26:22.220 to even get

00:26:22.840 information that

00:26:24.240 might also be

00:26:25.240 doubtful.

00:26:25.920 You know,

00:26:26.060 it's like a

00:26:26.500 collective pile-on

00:26:27.580 to push one

00:26:28.800 view and one

00:26:29.640 view only.

00:26:30.140 I've spent 20

00:26:31.400 years fighting

00:26:32.260 for tolerance

00:26:33.580 and diversity

00:26:34.340 on other angles

00:26:36.040 and suddenly

00:26:37.000 I'm now trying

00:26:38.540 to fight

00:26:39.300 for tolerance

00:26:41.000 when it comes

00:26:41.700 to being a

00:26:42.120 conservative

00:26:42.500 and having

00:26:43.520 a different

00:26:44.060 voice.

00:26:44.960 It's quite

00:26:45.860 ironic and

00:26:47.140 troubling.

00:26:48.980 You know,

00:26:49.380 that's,

00:26:50.040 speaking of that,

00:26:51.680 you're like,

00:26:52.300 you're one of

00:26:52.760 those unicorns,

00:26:54.240 right,

00:26:54.420 because you're

00:26:55.040 a gay

00:26:56.240 Republican

00:26:56.920 and it's like,

00:26:58.780 I think a lot

00:26:59.380 of people believe

00:27:00.060 there aren't

00:27:00.660 that many.

00:27:01.220 The log cabin

00:27:02.160 Republicans would

00:27:02.980 say different,

00:27:03.980 but I know

00:27:04.800 this is one

00:27:05.320 of your

00:27:05.980 purposes right

00:27:07.020 now.

00:27:07.660 You've done

00:27:08.660 so much,

00:27:09.180 but I know

00:27:09.440 at the moment

00:27:09.800 you're a senior

00:27:10.280 advisor to the

00:27:10.920 RNC,

00:27:11.820 among other

00:27:12.180 things,

00:27:13.000 trying to

00:27:13.420 focus on

00:27:13.780 outreach to

00:27:14.400 LGBTQ

00:27:15.540 voters.

00:27:17.860 And the

00:27:18.380 question I

00:27:19.340 have for you

00:27:19.840 is whether

00:27:20.300 you think

00:27:20.980 there are

00:27:21.340 a significant

00:27:22.040 amount of

00:27:22.800 them out

00:27:23.200 there that

00:27:23.980 are conservative

00:27:24.980 or not,

00:27:27.440 but still

00:27:27.760 might vote

00:27:28.240 Trump.

00:27:30.060 Absolutely.

00:27:30.920 If you put

00:27:31.660 three homos

00:27:32.280 in a room,

00:27:32.740 one of them

00:27:33.120 is going

00:27:33.380 for Trump.

00:27:34.260 I'm telling

00:27:34.840 you right

00:27:35.220 now,

00:27:35.660 it is

00:27:36.320 unbelievable

00:27:37.480 what has

00:27:38.000 happened.

00:27:38.740 I mean,

00:27:39.040 I sat,

00:27:39.780 Megan,

00:27:40.120 in 1992

00:27:41.020 and listened

00:27:42.120 to Pat

00:27:43.420 Buchanan

00:27:43.820 in Houston

00:27:44.460 at the

00:27:44.940 Republican

00:27:45.340 Convention

00:27:46.020 working on

00:27:47.200 the Bush-Quail

00:27:47.820 re-election

00:27:48.340 campaign.

00:27:49.680 And I sat

00:27:50.160 there as

00:27:50.880 Pat Buchanan

00:27:51.760 gave an

00:27:52.260 awful speech

00:27:53.080 towards gays

00:27:53.920 and lesbians

00:27:54.500 and basically

00:27:55.200 saying we

00:27:55.880 weren't welcome

00:27:56.480 in the

00:27:56.740 party.

00:27:57.740 And I

00:27:58.020 vowed then

00:27:58.800 that I

00:27:59.380 would be

00:27:59.660 the fighter

00:28:00.200 within the

00:28:00.700 Republican

00:28:01.080 Party to

00:28:02.200 be the

00:28:02.540 consistent

00:28:03.120 conservative

00:28:03.740 because I

00:28:05.420 am the

00:28:05.840 one who

00:28:06.940 is consistent

00:28:08.000 when I

00:28:08.460 say keep

00:28:08.900 government

00:28:09.260 out of my

00:28:09.720 pocketbook,

00:28:10.640 keep government

00:28:11.180 out of my

00:28:11.680 bedroom,

00:28:12.640 have personal

00:28:14.020 responsibility,

00:28:14.960 judge people

00:28:15.780 according to

00:28:16.980 what they do

00:28:18.340 and stay

00:28:19.820 out of their

00:28:20.540 personal life.

00:28:21.340 That is what

00:28:22.060 conservatives do.

00:28:22.980 And I do

00:28:23.300 have to say

00:28:23.860 that philosophically,

00:28:24.940 I actually

00:28:26.320 think when

00:28:27.440 it comes to

00:28:27.940 foreign policy,

00:28:28.700 which is my

00:28:29.220 passion,

00:28:30.480 this is also

00:28:31.240 a problem of

00:28:31.960 the Republicans.

00:28:33.060 They decided

00:28:33.900 instead of

00:28:34.760 being a

00:28:36.360 country that

00:28:37.560 would just

00:28:37.960 defend our

00:28:38.680 own national

00:28:39.400 security,

00:28:40.020 we suddenly

00:28:40.400 were going

00:28:40.800 to go and

00:28:41.840 get in

00:28:42.180 everybody else's

00:28:42.940 business around

00:28:43.620 the world.

00:28:44.500 And we've

00:28:44.820 created endless

00:28:45.780 wars.

00:28:47.240 And that's

00:28:48.240 where I think

00:28:48.780 we got off

00:28:49.440 and we've

00:28:49.840 lost with

00:28:50.660 John McCain

00:28:51.380 and Mitt

00:28:51.760 Romney and

00:28:52.360 had a series

00:28:52.940 of losses.

00:28:53.780 And for me,

00:28:54.940 it was

00:28:55.540 pretty

00:28:56.100 remarkable

00:28:57.100 on the

00:28:57.880 two issues

00:28:58.460 that I

00:28:58.740 care most

00:28:59.180 about,

00:28:59.520 foreign

00:28:59.720 policy and

00:29:01.340 equality,

00:29:02.580 gay equality,

00:29:03.420 to see

00:29:03.840 Donald Trump

00:29:04.640 stand on

00:29:06.500 the stage

00:29:07.080 with 17,

00:29:09.380 18 other

00:29:10.020 Republicans

00:29:10.520 and say,

00:29:11.980 we've got to

00:29:12.260 stop these

00:29:12.740 endless wars.

00:29:13.680 We've got to

00:29:14.220 change our

00:29:14.800 foreign policy.

00:29:15.920 We need to

00:29:16.720 have a

00:29:17.960 strong

00:29:18.580 defense

00:29:20.460 capability,

00:29:21.680 but be

00:29:22.260 reluctant in

00:29:23.200 using it.

00:29:23.640 We used

00:29:23.940 to call

00:29:24.220 that peace

00:29:24.620 through

00:29:24.820 strength.

00:29:25.960 And this

00:29:26.280 is what

00:29:26.660 Donald Trump

00:29:27.160 has done.

00:29:27.580 And then he

00:29:27.860 also,

00:29:28.700 you know,

00:29:28.920 in the

00:29:29.280 primary has

00:29:30.620 really embraced

00:29:32.860 gay equality.

00:29:34.780 He's the

00:29:35.060 first president

00:29:35.820 of the United

00:29:36.400 States,

00:29:37.440 first president

00:29:38.320 to come into

00:29:39.540 office supporting

00:29:40.560 gay marriage

00:29:41.300 and complete

00:29:42.460 gay equality.

00:29:44.220 And this is a

00:29:45.040 transformation of the

00:29:46.260 party.

00:29:46.360 He came in

00:29:46.780 after it had

00:29:47.340 been ruled

00:29:47.700 constitutionally

00:29:48.720 okay.

00:29:49.520 He was the

00:29:50.720 first president

00:29:51.240 to come in

00:29:51.800 after a

00:29:52.180 bridge fell.

00:29:52.520 He had also

00:29:55.260 articulated as

00:29:56.920 a New Yorker

00:29:57.820 even through

00:29:59.380 the 80s

00:30:00.380 where he

00:30:01.100 had lots

00:30:02.400 of gay and

00:30:03.380 lesbian friends

00:30:04.140 through the

00:30:04.500 80s.

00:30:04.840 When Donald

00:30:05.220 Trump talks

00:30:05.780 about AIDS

00:30:06.700 in the

00:30:07.860 80s and

00:30:08.360 what it did

00:30:08.800 to New York

00:30:09.240 City and

00:30:10.080 how it wiped

00:30:10.800 out some

00:30:11.740 of the best

00:30:12.380 people in

00:30:13.080 every single

00:30:13.920 industry,

00:30:14.820 this is a

00:30:15.300 man who

00:30:16.000 fundamentally

00:30:17.140 does not

00:30:18.420 separate

00:30:19.900 gays and

00:30:20.920 lesbians from

00:30:22.400 straight people.

00:30:23.980 He embraces

00:30:24.860 us.

00:30:25.280 I know him

00:30:26.020 well.

00:30:27.500 Well, it's

00:30:27.820 certainly not

00:30:28.380 Pat Buchanan's

00:30:29.680 Republican Party

00:30:30.780 anymore.

00:30:31.900 I mean,

00:30:32.360 obviously Joe

00:30:33.120 Biden has

00:30:33.640 evolved from

00:30:34.820 his prior

00:30:35.300 views on

00:30:35.860 gay marriage

00:30:36.780 as most of

00:30:37.260 the country

00:30:37.620 has.

00:30:37.980 I mean,

00:30:38.080 we used to

00:30:38.420 be in a

00:30:38.680 very different

00:30:39.240 place years

00:30:41.320 ago.

00:30:41.860 But I

00:30:42.040 think for

00:30:43.280 you,

00:30:44.140 I think

00:30:45.680 you're the

00:30:45.960 first openly

00:30:46.460 gay person

00:30:46.960 at the

00:30:47.220 cabinet

00:30:47.460 level who's

00:30:47.940 been at

00:30:48.160 the cabinet

00:30:48.540 level in

00:30:48.920 the United

00:30:49.180 States,

00:30:49.580 yes?

00:30:51.140 Yes,

00:30:51.600 correct.

00:30:52.000 Okay,

00:30:52.240 so like when

00:30:53.140 you look

00:30:53.640 appointed by

00:30:54.020 Donald Trump,

00:30:55.420 right,

00:30:55.720 appointed by

00:30:56.060 Donald Trump.

00:30:56.580 So when you

00:30:57.180 look at

00:30:57.600 other,

00:30:58.780 I don't

00:30:59.080 know,

00:30:59.220 it just

00:30:59.440 seems to

00:30:59.800 me that

00:31:00.060 like the

00:31:00.440 leadership

00:31:01.040 of GLAAD,

00:31:02.360 of these,

00:31:03.120 you know,

00:31:03.500 openly gay and

00:31:04.340 lesbian leadership

00:31:05.540 groups,

00:31:06.100 they're all

00:31:06.580 anti-Trump and

00:31:07.820 not just

00:31:08.200 anti-Trump,

00:31:08.920 but like they're

00:31:10.260 pro-shaming

00:31:11.040 you if you're

00:31:12.440 pro-Trump and

00:31:13.680 spread the

00:31:14.920 narrative that

00:31:15.620 he's a

00:31:16.740 bigot.

00:31:17.120 He's a

00:31:17.360 bigot on

00:31:17.680 race,

00:31:18.780 he's a

00:31:19.020 sexist when

00:31:19.540 it comes to

00:31:19.900 women,

00:31:20.100 and he's

00:31:20.760 anti-LGBTQ

00:31:22.300 talking about

00:31:22.880 some of his

00:31:23.440 transgender

00:31:24.420 pushes and

00:31:25.660 orders.

00:31:26.000 This is a

00:31:26.600 playbook from

00:31:27.280 the left.

00:31:28.020 This is what

00:31:28.500 they always

00:31:29.220 do.

00:31:30.200 Listen,

00:31:30.940 let's talk

00:31:31.680 about GLAAD

00:31:32.200 for a second.

00:31:33.120 He's an

00:31:33.580 organization that

00:31:34.680 exists to

00:31:35.580 make sure that

00:31:36.160 gays and

00:31:36.560 lesbians are

00:31:37.220 treated equally

00:31:37.880 in the media.

00:31:39.260 Tell me what

00:31:40.180 media property

00:31:41.180 is not

00:31:42.100 pro-gay.

00:31:43.620 They should

00:31:44.040 have shut

00:31:44.440 down a long

00:31:45.160 time ago.

00:31:46.120 GLAAD is

00:31:46.660 done with

00:31:47.900 their purpose,

00:31:48.660 except what

00:31:49.360 they've done is

00:31:49.920 they've morphed

00:31:50.500 into open

00:31:51.380 borders,

00:31:52.060 pro-abortion,

00:31:53.660 the Victory

00:31:54.440 Fund,

00:31:54.820 the organization

00:31:56.460 that exists to

00:31:57.700 elect gays and

00:31:58.580 lesbians,

00:31:59.580 that you cannot

00:32:00.840 get the Victory

00:32:01.760 Fund endorsement

00:32:02.800 unless you're

00:32:03.920 pro-abortion.

00:32:05.080 This has nothing

00:32:06.180 to do with

00:32:06.840 gay and lesbian

00:32:07.500 rights, but

00:32:08.640 this is part

00:32:09.760 of their

00:32:10.220 endorsement.

00:32:11.360 The gay-left

00:32:12.120 leadership in

00:32:12.980 Washington, D.C.

00:32:14.460 wants to keep

00:32:15.480 this as a

00:32:16.020 wedge issue.

00:32:16.700 They get power,

00:32:17.940 money, and

00:32:18.640 votes by

00:32:19.720 keeping this

00:32:20.600 a wedge issue.

00:32:22.240 The groups

00:32:22.720 standing in the

00:32:23.480 way are the

00:32:24.240 far-left

00:32:24.800 gay leadership

00:32:25.740 and they're

00:32:26.420 losing the

00:32:27.200 rank-file gay

00:32:28.200 voter because

00:32:29.300 we see what

00:32:30.800 they're doing

00:32:31.360 to us.

00:32:31.940 They're keeping

00:32:32.620 it a problem

00:32:33.700 when the

00:32:34.720 Republican Party

00:32:35.620 has moved

00:32:36.120 beyond.

00:32:37.240 The Republican

00:32:38.040 Party has

00:32:38.640 changed and the

00:32:39.400 Democrat gay

00:32:40.360 left does not

00:32:41.400 want them to

00:32:42.060 change.

00:32:42.560 They're holding

00:32:43.000 on to the

00:32:43.660 ways of the

00:32:44.160 past.

00:32:45.740 That's funny.

00:32:46.620 I mean,

00:32:46.760 listening to you

00:32:47.560 talk, it's

00:32:48.300 similar to what

00:32:49.020 we've heard from

00:32:50.220 people like

00:32:50.660 Candace Owens in

00:32:51.400 the way she

00:32:51.780 talks about how

00:32:52.760 black voters

00:32:53.660 are often

00:32:54.880 used by

00:32:55.960 Democratic

00:32:56.420 officials because

00:32:57.200 they want them

00:32:57.820 voting as a

00:32:58.440 group and

00:32:59.340 more and more

00:33:00.000 people of

00:33:00.480 color are

00:33:00.940 starting to

00:33:01.360 say, no,

00:33:02.540 I'm going to

00:33:03.000 decide for

00:33:03.460 myself whether

00:33:04.760 being a

00:33:05.540 Democrat makes

00:33:06.180 sense for

00:33:06.760 me.

00:33:07.380 Maybe I

00:33:08.040 align more

00:33:08.760 with the

00:33:09.060 Republican

00:33:09.400 policies and

00:33:10.700 then they get

00:33:11.160 shamed.

00:33:11.600 Same as a

00:33:12.600 lot of gay and

00:33:13.020 lesbian people get

00:33:13.660 shamed if

00:33:14.740 they come out,

00:33:15.840 forget coming

00:33:16.340 out of the

00:33:16.660 closet, if they

00:33:17.500 come out as

00:33:18.440 something far,

00:33:19.960 far more

00:33:20.320 controversial

00:33:20.800 than being

00:33:21.680 gay, but

00:33:22.380 being a

00:33:23.060 Republican.

00:33:25.000 Where you

00:33:25.680 live out in

00:33:26.120 California, where

00:33:26.740 I live in

00:33:27.680 New York, it's

00:33:28.460 like you're on

00:33:29.500 far shakier

00:33:30.560 ground saying

00:33:31.220 you're with

00:33:31.540 the GOP than

00:33:32.220 you are saying

00:33:32.840 you're gay or

00:33:34.460 you're trans or

00:33:35.260 any of those

00:33:35.980 things.

00:33:36.520 Correct.

00:33:37.000 And I think

00:33:37.480 also, Megan,

00:33:38.720 we've seen

00:33:39.340 this with

00:33:40.400 union voters.

00:33:41.300 We have seen

00:33:42.480 union voters

00:33:43.420 look at their

00:33:44.700 union bosses

00:33:45.580 and say,

00:33:46.460 you don't

00:33:46.860 reflect my

00:33:47.860 values anymore

00:33:48.880 and we're

00:33:50.580 split.

00:33:51.440 This is, I

00:33:52.020 go back and

00:33:52.720 I've really

00:33:53.340 thought long

00:33:53.820 and hard, this

00:33:54.400 is why the

00:33:55.040 leadership in

00:33:56.000 Washington, D.C.,

00:33:57.040 the insiders

00:33:57.980 think they

00:33:59.180 control the

00:33:59.840 rest of

00:34:00.220 America and

00:34:01.400 the American

00:34:01.940 people are

00:34:02.620 fighting back.

00:34:03.560 They are

00:34:03.820 saying, no,

00:34:04.700 we can't be

00:34:05.220 controlled.

00:34:09.460 More with

00:34:10.100 Rick Grinnell in

00:34:10.660 one minute, but

00:34:11.300 first, let's

00:34:12.080 talk about

00:34:12.420 home title

00:34:12.980 lock.

00:34:13.500 I got a

00:34:13.940 crash course

00:34:14.580 in home

00:34:15.260 title theft

00:34:16.060 and you

00:34:16.440 better pray

00:34:16.900 this thing

00:34:17.260 never happens

00:34:17.820 to you because

00:34:18.420 this crime

00:34:19.020 can ruin

00:34:20.060 you financially.

00:34:21.700 Here's how

00:34:22.220 easy it is.

00:34:22.960 The legal

00:34:23.400 titles to

00:34:24.040 our homes

00:34:24.580 are digitized

00:34:25.440 and they're

00:34:25.920 kept on

00:34:26.260 government and

00:34:26.740 business servers

00:34:27.340 and in the

00:34:27.880 cloud where

00:34:29.120 they can be

00:34:29.520 hacked.

00:34:29.820 You know,

00:34:30.100 you've seen

00:34:30.400 all those

00:34:30.660 naked pictures

00:34:31.200 of celebrities

00:34:31.880 because they

00:34:32.560 put them in

00:34:32.900 the cloud.

00:34:33.520 They didn't

00:34:33.740 think they

00:34:34.020 could be

00:34:34.260 hacked.

00:34:34.520 Well, they

00:34:34.700 can and so

00:34:35.460 can the

00:34:35.800 title to

00:34:36.420 your home.

00:34:37.220 A cyber

00:34:37.820 thief, once

00:34:38.780 he's gotten

00:34:39.100 past the

00:34:39.480 naked pictures

00:34:39.960 of the

00:34:40.180 celebs, will

00:34:40.980 find your

00:34:41.520 home's title

00:34:42.240 and then forge

00:34:43.400 your signature

00:34:44.180 on a quick

00:34:44.820 claim deed

00:34:45.640 stating that

00:34:46.840 you sold your

00:34:47.800 home to

00:34:48.080 him.

00:34:48.660 It's a

00:34:49.020 lie, but

00:34:49.780 it's easily

00:34:50.240 done.

00:34:51.060 Then this

00:34:51.520 guy will

00:34:51.760 take out

00:34:52.100 loans against

00:34:53.300 your home

00:34:53.980 until all

00:34:54.760 your equity

00:34:55.200 is gone

00:34:55.660 and leaves

00:34:56.400 you in

00:34:57.160 debt.

00:34:58.200 The sad

00:34:58.620 thing is you

00:34:59.020 won't even

00:34:59.300 know anything

00:34:59.700 about this

00:35:00.240 until the

00:35:00.700 collection calls

00:35:01.340 start pouring

00:35:01.820 in and you

00:35:02.500 are not

00:35:02.900 protected by

00:35:03.400 insurance,

00:35:03.780 you're not

00:35:04.000 protected by

00:35:04.440 your bank or

00:35:05.140 by any of

00:35:05.620 the common

00:35:06.060 identity theft

00:35:06.780 programs.

00:35:07.480 Home title

00:35:08.060 lock will

00:35:08.500 protect you

00:35:09.060 from this

00:35:09.440 nonsense.

00:35:10.220 Home title

00:35:10.660 lock puts

00:35:11.080 a barrier

00:35:11.660 around your

00:35:12.700 home's title.

00:35:13.860 The instant

00:35:14.380 they detect

00:35:14.840 tampering,

00:35:15.440 they will help

00:35:15.940 shut it down

00:35:16.720 cold.

00:35:17.800 home title

00:35:18.060 lock.com

00:35:18.760 and register

00:35:19.400 your address

00:35:19.920 to see if

00:35:20.800 you're already

00:35:22.020 a victim and

00:35:22.900 then use

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00:35:26.060 of protection.

00:35:27.000 Can you

00:35:27.180 imagine how

00:35:28.420 scary this

00:35:28.880 would be?

00:35:29.540 You can

00:35:29.840 prevent it

00:35:30.280 by going

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00:35:31.160 radio

00:35:31.760 for 30

00:35:32.980 free days

00:35:33.600 of protection.

00:35:34.200 Again,

00:35:34.420 it's code

00:35:35.000 radio

00:35:35.660 at

00:35:36.320 home title

00:35:37.060 lock.com

00:35:37.940 home title

00:35:38.560 lock.com

00:35:39.440 and then

00:35:39.860 code radio.

00:35:41.200 Check it

00:35:41.440 out.

00:35:44.680 We're going

00:35:45.260 to do a

00:35:45.620 feature that

00:35:46.500 we have on

00:35:46.840 this show

00:35:47.160 called

00:35:47.560 Asked and

00:35:48.360 Answered

00:35:48.880 where the

00:35:49.860 viewers write

00:35:50.460 in and they

00:35:51.100 ask certain

00:35:51.500 questions and

00:35:52.060 we thought

00:35:52.400 there were

00:35:53.440 two today

00:35:54.260 that you

00:35:55.540 might want

00:35:55.860 to weigh

00:35:56.120 in on and

00:35:56.660 I've got

00:35:57.080 some thoughts

00:35:57.420 on too and

00:35:58.000 our executive

00:35:58.980 producer Steve

00:35:59.600 Krakauer has

00:36:00.520 got them ready.

00:36:01.680 Great.

00:36:02.120 Steve?

00:36:02.560 Rick, thanks for

00:36:03.140 sticking around

00:36:03.560 for our Asked

00:36:04.040 and Answered

00:36:04.580 segment.

00:36:05.020 Anyone can

00:36:05.500 email us at

00:36:06.320 questions

00:36:06.840 at

00:36:07.280 devilmaycare

00:36:07.940 media.com

00:36:08.800 and we're

00:36:09.080 going to answer

00:36:09.440 these on a

00:36:09.860 weekly basis.

00:36:10.900 Two, as you

00:36:11.700 said, Megan,

00:36:12.140 are related

00:36:12.640 today.

00:36:13.000 First, from

00:36:13.380 Kate Henderson,

00:36:14.060 who says

00:36:15.260 that she's

00:36:15.700 an undergrad

00:36:16.660 student at a

00:36:17.240 big university

00:36:17.780 in Pennsylvania

00:36:18.720 and is a

00:36:19.440 Republican,

00:36:20.640 she wants to

00:36:21.400 know any

00:36:21.900 advice on

00:36:22.600 being a 20

00:36:23.100 year old

00:36:23.400 Republican and

00:36:24.140 not being

00:36:24.720 seen as

00:36:25.220 racist or

00:36:25.740 getting

00:36:25.980 canceled or

00:36:26.840 someone who

00:36:27.380 wants to go

00:36:28.380 to grad

00:36:28.680 school and

00:36:29.000 actually get

00:36:29.400 a job.

00:36:30.900 Relatedly, we

00:36:31.800 have a question

00:36:32.160 from someone

00:36:32.600 named Tor who

00:36:33.520 says he lives

00:36:34.140 in a city

00:36:34.560 that rhymes

00:36:35.360 with Schmerkley

00:36:36.360 and he says

00:36:38.520 that he's a

00:36:39.080 gay conservative

00:36:39.740 living in a

00:36:40.400 liberal city,

00:36:41.500 actually center

00:36:42.300 left in some

00:36:43.120 ways, but people

00:36:43.860 assume that he's

00:36:44.440 on the hard

00:36:44.800 left because

00:36:45.660 he's gay.

00:36:46.580 Any advice on

00:36:48.240 that for Tor?

00:36:49.480 I can totally

00:36:50.420 relate to both

00:36:51.320 of these

00:36:51.600 individuals and

00:36:52.280 I have to say

00:36:53.340 that your first

00:36:54.460 rule is to

00:36:56.680 get comfortable

00:36:57.240 with the fact

00:36:57.980 that the left

00:37:00.160 is never going

00:37:01.440 to stop trying

00:37:03.320 to pretend that

00:37:04.020 you're racist,

00:37:04.740 sexist, or

00:37:05.200 homophobe.

00:37:06.480 That's their

00:37:07.200 playbook and you

00:37:08.520 have to stand up

00:37:09.500 to that and say

00:37:10.440 that's going to

00:37:10.940 crazy and we

00:37:12.060 can have

00:37:12.500 diversity of

00:37:13.480 thought and

00:37:15.280 you should be

00:37:15.860 tolerant.

00:37:16.400 I think you

00:37:16.860 use the

00:37:17.540 diversity and

00:37:18.400 tolerance argument

00:37:19.760 against them.

00:37:21.560 We have raised

00:37:22.560 a whole bunch

00:37:23.160 of kids through

00:37:24.580 high school and

00:37:25.520 now in college

00:37:26.340 who run out of

00:37:27.920 the room with

00:37:28.520 their fingers in

00:37:29.180 their ears when

00:37:30.320 they hear an

00:37:31.200 issue or an

00:37:32.800 opinion that they

00:37:33.520 don't like or

00:37:34.200 can't understand.

00:37:35.820 I was raised to

00:37:37.400 sit there and

00:37:37.980 listen, listen to

00:37:39.600 the opinion, let

00:37:40.940 that person have

00:37:41.760 their time and

00:37:42.480 then when it's

00:37:42.940 your time, talk

00:37:43.660 passionately or

00:37:44.460 ask questions about

00:37:46.280 the issue.

00:37:47.460 But we have to

00:37:48.400 get back to the

00:37:49.260 point where we

00:37:50.300 can sit around a

00:37:51.220 table and discuss

00:37:52.340 issues, wait

00:37:53.660 your time, but

00:37:55.560 when it is your

00:37:56.360 time, speak up

00:37:57.180 passionately.

00:37:57.920 Don't be afraid to

00:37:59.160 have your voice and

00:38:00.080 don't allow your

00:38:01.020 voice to ever be

00:38:02.020 canceled because

00:38:03.420 somebody else is

00:38:04.400 trying to pretend

00:38:05.220 like you're a

00:38:05.820 racist, sexist, or

00:38:06.820 homophobe.

00:38:07.280 That's their

00:38:07.740 playbook.

00:38:09.000 That's right.

00:38:09.340 And I think to

00:38:10.540 Kate's question, the

00:38:12.580 more people who are

00:38:13.980 right-leaning, center

00:38:14.860 right, all of it's

00:38:16.120 controversial now,

00:38:18.040 pretend they aren't

00:38:18.820 or stay, again, to

00:38:20.300 borrow the term, in

00:38:21.200 the closet, the more

00:38:22.560 difficult it makes it

00:38:23.540 for like-minded

00:38:25.160 people.

00:38:26.260 I've told this story

00:38:27.280 before, but I think

00:38:28.620 it speaks volumes.

00:38:30.340 I was at Sheryl

00:38:31.200 Sandberg's house out

00:38:32.660 in Palo Alto after I

00:38:34.620 wrote my book.

00:38:35.340 She threw a book

00:38:35.900 party for me.

00:38:36.580 She's the COO of

00:38:37.800 Facebook.

00:38:38.940 And all these

00:38:39.920 luminaries from the

00:38:40.860 tech world were

00:38:41.480 there.

00:38:41.980 It was all these

00:38:42.500 CEOs of major,

00:38:44.060 major corporations

00:38:44.740 in tech and others,

00:38:46.120 just celebrities and

00:38:46.900 so on.

00:38:48.240 And I was in a weird

00:38:50.300 position at the time

00:38:51.060 because I'd been at

00:38:51.920 Fox News for 13

00:38:52.780 years, but I'd also

00:38:54.380 been on the wrong

00:38:55.360 end of Trump for

00:38:56.320 nine months.

00:38:57.480 He was sort of

00:38:58.020 going after me for

00:38:58.640 that debate question.

00:38:59.480 So left-leaning

00:39:01.040 people assumed I

00:39:02.560 hated Trump and

00:39:03.920 right-leaning people

00:39:04.900 assumed I

00:39:06.060 supported Trump.

00:39:07.260 So both sides

00:39:08.740 would talk to me.

00:39:10.200 And at the book

00:39:11.300 signing, you'd get

00:39:13.000 people coming up

00:39:13.940 from the left

00:39:14.380 saying, oh, we

00:39:15.040 hate Trump.

00:39:15.720 We hate Trump.

00:39:16.460 He's going down.

00:39:17.180 There's no way he's

00:39:17.960 winning this election

00:39:18.740 or, you know,

00:39:19.920 screw Trump.

00:39:20.840 And then about

00:39:22.000 every sixth person

00:39:23.400 would come up and

00:39:24.280 say, I'm a

00:39:25.820 Republican.

00:39:26.440 Don't tell

00:39:26.840 anybody.

00:39:27.700 I'm going to vote

00:39:28.280 for Trump.

00:39:28.820 Don't tell.

00:39:29.920 You know, and by

00:39:31.160 the end of the

00:39:31.960 night, I was

00:39:33.280 looking around at

00:39:33.840 the Republicans

00:39:34.320 saying, you

00:39:36.280 should go talk to

00:39:37.180 that woman in the

00:39:37.860 yellow dress and

00:39:38.880 that guy over there

00:39:39.540 in the blue tie and

00:39:40.820 that girl in the

00:39:41.520 green.

00:39:42.020 You are not

00:39:42.500 alone.

00:39:43.380 You should say it

00:39:44.040 loud.

00:39:44.320 Say it proud.

00:39:45.200 It's so crazy how

00:39:46.460 if you live in a

00:39:47.240 left-leaning city or

00:39:48.240 just consume a lot of

00:39:49.120 media, which is

00:39:49.720 left-leaning, you

00:39:50.920 are made to feel

00:39:51.620 ashamed of the fact

00:39:53.560 that you lean right.

00:39:54.460 And I think the

00:39:54.900 universities, Kate's

00:39:56.960 exactly right, it's a

00:39:57.820 scary place.

00:39:59.040 But the way

00:40:00.140 forward is not to

00:40:01.140 allow them to shame

00:40:02.780 you.

00:40:03.580 It's, it's, you

00:40:04.360 got to wear it

00:40:04.940 loud, wear it

00:40:05.480 proud.

00:40:06.080 You don't have to

00:40:06.540 be in their face, but

00:40:07.480 you have nothing to

00:40:08.460 apologize for.

00:40:09.460 And if they don't

00:40:10.000 want to let you in

00:40:10.700 because you are

00:40:11.260 right-leaning, screw

00:40:12.560 them.

00:40:13.360 I'll give you the

00:40:13.780 last word, Rick.

00:40:14.500 Yeah.

00:40:15.600 I would just say I

00:40:16.880 totally agree.

00:40:17.740 And what people need

00:40:19.240 to do is feel very

00:40:20.240 comfortable with having

00:40:22.840 the pushback.

00:40:23.700 We don't live in

00:40:25.340 that world where

00:40:26.320 you're not going to

00:40:27.040 hear criticism for

00:40:28.840 your views.

00:40:29.640 And so don't hide.

00:40:31.640 Recognize that if you

00:40:32.460 want your voice, you're

00:40:33.480 still going to get

00:40:34.140 criticized, so get

00:40:35.040 comfortable with it.

00:40:36.540 Okay, let's talk

00:40:37.520 about you and your

00:40:38.920 background because I do

00:40:39.880 find it fascinating

00:40:40.640 that you, you're the

00:40:41.880 son of evangelical

00:40:42.940 Christians and you

00:40:45.100 yourself are a devout

00:40:45.980 Christian.

00:40:46.640 How were you able to

00:40:47.720 maintain your faith

00:40:49.160 in a city like

00:40:51.220 Washington, working

00:40:53.200 for administrations,

00:40:55.020 not just the Trump

00:40:55.620 administration, but

00:40:56.340 you know, years at the

00:40:57.000 U.N. and so on?

00:40:57.720 Like, how does one

00:40:59.080 maintain one's faith

00:41:00.580 through all of that?

00:41:01.900 Well, first of all,

00:41:02.700 what you have to

00:41:03.360 recognize is that I've

00:41:04.900 worked in politics

00:41:05.980 since 1992, but I

00:41:08.680 haven't lived in

00:41:09.600 Washington since 1995.

00:41:11.840 Think about that.

00:41:12.960 I have always worked

00:41:14.260 outside of Washington

00:41:15.120 and I find Washington

00:41:16.600 to be a cesspool of

00:41:19.420 groupthink.

00:41:20.280 And it's one of those

00:41:21.980 cities that I hate

00:41:23.200 to live in and I've

00:41:25.040 tried to avoid at all

00:41:27.380 costs.

00:41:28.360 I would say that most

00:41:29.560 of my friends are

00:41:31.060 liberal and most of my

00:41:32.680 family are conservative.

00:41:34.780 My family and my

00:41:36.220 immediate family, we

00:41:37.660 have six evangelical

00:41:39.900 ministers and some

00:41:42.900 young, some older.

00:41:43.940 My brother is an

00:41:45.220 evangelical minister,

00:41:46.740 nephews are, and

00:41:49.100 brother-in-laws.

00:41:50.200 And I feel like

00:41:51.960 it's a thoughtful

00:41:55.000 process, right?

00:41:56.140 I am a Christian

00:41:58.360 who fails every day

00:42:00.400 and thank God that

00:42:02.220 there are new

00:42:04.380 mercies every morning

00:42:05.340 because I can get up

00:42:07.520 and face the day

00:42:09.960 with being a Christian

00:42:12.080 who is forgiven and

00:42:13.660 thank God that I have

00:42:16.340 a faith that allows me

00:42:17.980 every day to be

00:42:19.920 renewed.

00:42:20.600 And I think that's a

00:42:21.380 real important aspect

00:42:22.660 is just to recognize

00:42:23.860 that you're

00:42:26.080 flawed.

00:42:28.740 And I find it to be

00:42:31.780 something easy because

00:42:33.300 the way I grew up, I

00:42:34.440 mean, I certainly, I

00:42:35.380 have a mother who,

00:42:36.960 you know, I tell the

00:42:38.660 story that I have two

00:42:41.240 older brothers and an

00:42:42.200 older sister.

00:42:42.880 So me as the youngest,

00:42:43.820 I was always in charge of

00:42:44.820 washing dishes after

00:42:46.940 dinner.

00:42:47.520 We didn't have a

00:42:48.240 dishwasher.

00:42:49.280 So I would spend a lot

00:42:50.540 of time with my mom at

00:42:51.820 the sink.

00:42:52.520 She'd wash and I'd dry

00:42:53.820 or we'd switch, talking

00:42:55.820 and above us was a big

00:42:59.220 sign that said, pray for

00:43:00.220 the peace of Israel.

00:43:01.580 And my mother, as an

00:43:02.500 evangelical Christian,

00:43:03.700 always felt compelled to

00:43:07.240 protect Israel, talk

00:43:08.440 about Israel, and talk

00:43:10.160 about kind of the

00:43:11.320 biblical stories of the

00:43:13.260 end times or how

00:43:15.480 modern politics were

00:43:17.240 playing into Israel.

00:43:20.200 And so I had a lot of

00:43:22.200 foreign policy talks with

00:43:23.420 my mom, even though she

00:43:24.560 didn't quite understand

00:43:25.520 she was talking about

00:43:26.400 foreign policy.

00:43:27.460 But I was really

00:43:30.520 trained to listen, be

00:43:33.560 respectful, but have

00:43:35.580 an opinion and be really

00:43:37.360 forceful with your

00:43:38.360 opinion and to always

00:43:39.880 make sure that it was

00:43:40.700 biblically based, that

00:43:41.740 you were sensitive

00:43:42.380 towards, always

00:43:44.280 recognizing you didn't

00:43:45.540 have the right answer,

00:43:46.660 you weren't perfect, you

00:43:48.040 were going to make

00:43:48.600 mistakes, but God loves

00:43:49.700 you.

00:43:50.180 And that was kind of the

00:43:51.980 basis for me going even

00:43:53.780 to a place like Harvard

00:43:54.920 where, you know, it's a

00:43:57.080 godless place.

00:43:58.420 And I have to say this is

00:43:59.720 going to be very

00:44:00.180 controversial to say, but

00:44:01.840 even living in Europe,

00:44:03.380 you know, the Europeans

00:44:04.520 have mocked religion for a

00:44:06.200 very long time.

00:44:07.140 They've lost a lot of

00:44:08.140 their religion.

00:44:08.720 They've replaced religion

00:44:10.480 with government, and

00:44:11.540 that's where socialism

00:44:12.400 really comes in.

00:44:14.120 And so trying to be a

00:44:15.180 Christian in Europe,

00:44:17.420 finding a good church

00:44:18.660 when I was in Berlin, I

00:44:19.940 went to Hillsong, Berlin,

00:44:21.760 which was an important

00:44:23.080 part of me maintaining

00:44:24.920 my ability to, you

00:44:26.820 know, every week be

00:44:27.680 encouraged and learn and

00:44:29.760 sit in a place where I

00:44:31.280 could think about the

00:44:32.780 fact that I am the

00:44:33.740 creation and I have to

00:44:35.760 concentrate on the

00:44:36.600 creator.

00:44:37.040 These are issues that I

00:44:39.920 think my parents and to

00:44:42.440 this day, my siblings and

00:44:43.640 my nephews and nieces

00:44:44.560 freely teach me and I

00:44:46.540 learn from and I thank

00:44:48.320 God every day that I'm

00:44:49.860 sensitive towards these

00:44:51.080 issues.

00:44:51.600 And here in the United

00:44:52.600 States is the religion of

00:44:54.160 wokeness people are

00:44:55.040 practicing now, now that

00:44:56.100 religion has been chased

00:44:57.040 not just out of the public

00:44:58.180 square, but out of the

00:44:59.140 private sphere as well.

00:45:00.500 Can I ask you what it was

00:45:01.500 like?

00:45:01.720 I'm sure you've gotten

00:45:02.280 this question, but did you

00:45:03.300 ever, were you hesitant,

00:45:04.440 were you afraid to come

00:45:05.640 out as gay in a family,

00:45:07.840 you know, that, that was

00:45:09.240 evangelical Christian?

00:45:10.620 Yeah, sure.

00:45:11.440 I mean, I was because I, I

00:45:15.300 grew up really learning and

00:45:19.360 being taught that being gay

00:45:21.800 was, I think, not only a

00:45:24.100 sin, but a choice.

00:45:26.660 And so it, for me, it was

00:45:29.460 really learning.

00:45:30.160 There's a, there's a guy

00:45:30.820 named Peter Gomes.

00:45:32.000 I don't know if you know

00:45:32.640 Peter, but Peter, um, was

00:45:35.020 conservative, black minister

00:45:37.700 of Harvard Memorial church

00:45:39.400 and talk about a unicorn.

00:45:42.000 Peter was a definite

00:45:42.780 unicorn.

00:45:43.240 And I learned so much when

00:45:44.700 he wrote a book called the

00:45:46.060 good book.

00:45:47.100 Uh, and it, it really takes,

00:45:49.820 uh, people through all of

00:45:52.700 the, the, the issues of our

00:45:55.080 times, the subjugation of

00:45:56.400 women, um, you know, racism,

00:45:59.040 uh, homosexuality, um, and,

00:46:01.780 and dials back how both

00:46:04.680 sides of the argument used

00:46:07.120 the Bible to manipulate the

00:46:08.900 arguments.

00:46:09.400 And so what I really came to

00:46:11.820 the conclusion after looking

00:46:13.260 into the biblical realities of

00:46:15.620 this issue is that, um, the

00:46:17.880 word homosexual was really

00:46:19.760 added to the Bible

00:46:21.000 interpretation in the 1950s

00:46:22.780 with the King James version.

00:46:24.500 Well before that, if you go

00:46:26.020 back to the original Greek,

00:46:27.300 the original languages of, of

00:46:29.620 the Bible, um, the word that

00:46:32.040 was used was largely

00:46:33.020 prostitution.

00:46:34.300 And so there was a difference

00:46:36.060 between, um, prostitution and

00:46:38.640 homosexuality.

00:46:39.660 And so I just fundamentally

00:46:41.820 believe that, um, I was born

00:46:44.460 gay, that I was born fearfully

00:46:46.700 and wonderfully, as God says,

00:46:49.020 that God doesn't make mistakes

00:46:51.040 and that, um, I have a special

00:46:54.540 sensitivity and maybe call it

00:46:57.240 a gift, some evangelicals would

00:46:59.060 call it a gift, um, towards

00:47:01.160 really articulating this bridge to

00:47:03.860 the gay and lesbian community

00:47:05.220 that they should look at

00:47:06.980 Christianity and they should look

00:47:08.320 to God and that they are loved

00:47:10.040 and that these are issues that,

00:47:11.740 um, shouldn't separate them.

00:47:13.840 But historically the church and

00:47:16.520 largely the evangelical church

00:47:18.400 has been terrible towards gays

00:47:20.500 and lesbians and they've pushed

00:47:22.140 them out.

00:47:22.800 But I think there's a renewal

00:47:23.800 happening.

00:47:24.500 There's a change certainly with

00:47:25.840 the young people where they're

00:47:27.480 recognizing that mistakes were

00:47:28.960 made in the church and that

00:47:30.480 they're doing good outreach.

00:47:32.820 And certainly I love Hillsong for

00:47:34.720 leading the way, um, and, and

00:47:37.120 having this conversation.

00:47:39.440 Yeah.

00:47:39.660 And we're coming into the 21st

00:47:41.200 century.

00:47:41.560 I know your mother was blonde

00:47:42.860 as a strong blonde woman myself.

00:47:45.540 Um, was it, was she, was your

00:47:48.720 mom, given that imagery you gave

00:47:50.680 us of the two of you talking

00:47:51.840 every night, it sounds like you

00:47:52.980 were close.

00:47:53.980 Was she, did she cry?

00:47:56.040 What, how long did it take her to,

00:47:57.920 to get to the place of acceptance?

00:48:00.140 You know, this is my son.

00:48:01.340 Yeah.

00:48:02.120 I accept him and I love him.

00:48:03.700 It's a great question.

00:48:04.580 It's a great question.

00:48:05.600 It took a while.

00:48:06.320 Um, it, it took time and, um,

00:48:09.440 yet, um, she went on that

00:48:11.640 journey and, uh, I think every

00:48:15.020 Christian family that, that has

00:48:18.760 to deal with this issue has to

00:48:20.160 go on that journey as well.

00:48:21.840 But, but for me, I think what

00:48:23.940 really worked was reminding my

00:48:25.900 mom that I was made this way,

00:48:27.360 that God made me this way and

00:48:29.300 the biblical absolutes that we

00:48:31.940 were taught, I don't believe are

00:48:33.600 true and here's some of the

00:48:34.720 evidence.

00:48:35.160 Um, look, I love that you

00:48:37.140 argued your case.

00:48:38.080 You, you had your evidence ready

00:48:39.120 to go and your reinterpretation

00:48:40.580 of the kind of like this.

00:48:41.800 I, it's, it's brilliant, Rick.

00:48:44.060 Your mom must have been proud

00:48:45.260 on that level.

00:48:46.680 Well, I couldn't come out, um,

00:48:48.540 to my family until I knew that

00:48:51.200 I could articulate that being

00:48:53.160 gay and being a Christian was

00:48:55.340 acceptable.

00:48:56.480 And, and to be honest, I have

00:48:58.320 to tell you, like, uh, you

00:48:59.840 know, my sister-in-laws were

00:49:01.020 better than my brother.

00:49:03.080 Um, and my one sister-in-law

00:49:05.140 who was a nurse immediately

00:49:06.820 said to me, oh, I'm a nurse

00:49:09.880 and I look at science and it's

00:49:11.860 true.

00:49:12.080 People are born gay.

00:49:13.500 And so I, I love the, the

00:49:17.260 different approaches that

00:49:18.220 everybody in the family made.

00:49:19.580 And I also gave them space to

00:49:21.060 recognize they have a journey

00:49:22.480 just like I do.

00:49:23.600 It took me a while.

00:49:24.820 So let me let them have a

00:49:26.060 journey as well.

00:49:26.980 It's, to some extent, it's

00:49:28.120 crazy to be talking like this.

00:49:29.420 It's, you know, 2020 America.

00:49:30.900 But I think, and I think a

00:49:32.400 lot of the young folks today

00:49:33.520 are like, what, but, you

00:49:35.700 know, I think, I think we're

00:49:36.420 around the same age and

00:49:37.520 growing up in the seventies

00:49:38.440 and eighties, it was just,

00:49:39.740 it was a very different

00:49:40.540 time.

00:49:40.980 And even the most progressive

00:49:42.200 families would have had some

00:49:44.760 sort of a reaction to that

00:49:46.280 their child coming out as

00:49:47.480 gay or lesbian that probably

00:49:48.840 we hopefully wouldn't see

00:49:50.680 today.

00:49:51.460 So it's speaking of mentors

00:49:53.480 and it wasn't just your mom,

00:49:54.460 but I was interested to read.

00:49:55.660 I knew about ambassador Bolton

00:49:56.940 because we were all at Fox

00:49:57.820 together for a while.

00:49:58.880 I didn't know about John

00:50:00.300 McCain, who's who you

00:50:01.680 campaigned for back in when

00:50:03.340 he ran against, or was it

00:50:04.760 his 2000 bid against George

00:50:06.220 W. Bush?

00:50:08.120 It's interesting to me since

00:50:09.480 of course, those two are now

00:50:11.140 on the wrong side.

00:50:12.000 Well, you know, God rest his

00:50:13.760 soul.

00:50:14.020 John McCain was, and I guess

00:50:15.440 kind of remains on the wrong

00:50:16.480 side of president Trump.

00:50:18.060 You're, you know, your new

00:50:19.620 mentor, I guess.

00:50:20.700 How did you square that?

00:50:21.880 Two guys who you really

00:50:23.080 admired, McCain and Bolton,

00:50:25.040 who, you know, there's no

00:50:26.640 love loss with them and

00:50:28.140 Donald Trump.

00:50:29.160 For me, it's really easy

00:50:29.980 because I'm really a

00:50:30.880 multifaceted person.

00:50:32.060 I pull different lessons

00:50:33.700 from a whole bunch of

00:50:34.500 different people.

00:50:35.120 I certainly have mentors

00:50:36.260 that are hardcore

00:50:37.620 conservatives and some

00:50:39.300 people on the far left

00:50:40.660 that I really admire.

00:50:43.000 And so I pull out

00:50:45.220 different aspects of, you

00:50:48.000 know, what I admire and

00:50:49.100 what I learned from people.

00:50:50.240 And from Senator McCain, I

00:50:52.120 certainly learned a lot

00:50:52.940 about foreign policy.

00:50:53.880 I didn't always agree with

00:50:56.780 everything that he had to

00:50:57.780 say, but he was really

00:50:59.000 open and generous with me

00:51:00.500 and willing to kind of

00:51:02.500 explain and talk.

00:51:03.900 And we had this difference

00:51:05.320 of opinions.

00:51:07.280 I had at one point

00:51:09.240 was on the path to be the

00:51:11.180 U.S. ambassador to NATO

00:51:12.180 before I got the U.S.

00:51:15.140 ambassador to Germany post.

00:51:16.760 And I had several

00:51:17.960 conversations with

00:51:19.120 John McCain about NATO.

00:51:21.700 Certainly he knew a lot about

00:51:23.400 NATO and he very much

00:51:25.660 was of the mindset that

00:51:26.940 our NATO allies needed

00:51:28.440 to pay their fair share.

00:51:30.520 So I think it was

00:51:31.440 less about the same

00:51:33.960 goal.

00:51:35.140 We shared the same goal,

00:51:36.620 but sometimes different

00:51:37.360 tactics.

00:51:37.940 And that was OK with me

00:51:38.960 because we're all

00:51:39.560 different people.

00:51:40.520 And that's and that's

00:51:41.080 something Trump has, I

00:51:42.180 think, most objective

00:51:43.140 people would say he's done

00:51:43.920 a good job of trying to

00:51:44.820 push that some of these

00:51:45.840 NATO allies, including

00:51:46.640 Germany, weren't really

00:51:47.520 paying their fair share

00:51:48.400 and needed a pony up.

00:51:50.100 And, you know, why do we

00:51:50.780 have 25,000 troops over

00:51:52.300 in Germany to protect

00:51:53.180 them from Russia when

00:51:54.380 they're not even paying

00:51:55.120 what they need to pay

00:51:55.760 for their own self

00:51:56.380 defense, which I know

00:51:57.280 you've been working on

00:51:58.020 and he's been working

00:51:58.660 on.

00:51:59.420 But I was wondering

00:52:00.160 more along the lines

00:52:01.060 of, you know, his

00:52:02.380 attacks on McCain.

00:52:03.980 He's not a war hero.

00:52:05.080 I prefer people who

00:52:05.820 weren't captured.

00:52:07.680 What like I know you

00:52:08.820 admire Trump.

00:52:09.760 So how do you and how

00:52:11.600 did voters out there,

00:52:12.660 do you think, get past

00:52:13.780 his willingness to say

00:52:17.140 such outlandish things

00:52:19.300 and get to a place of

00:52:21.020 support?

00:52:22.940 Yeah.

00:52:23.640 So I love President

00:52:25.280 Trump's fight and I love

00:52:26.960 his Twitter feed and I

00:52:27.980 would never, ever say

00:52:29.920 that we shouldn't have a

00:52:31.160 president who fights.

00:52:32.780 I would say it this way.

00:52:34.040 The Washington, D.C.

00:52:35.460 establishment wants

00:52:36.560 Republicans to be super

00:52:38.040 well behaved so that they

00:52:39.200 can control us.

00:52:40.420 They want us to be super

00:52:41.500 well behaved so that we

00:52:42.660 go to the New York Times

00:52:44.120 editorial board to make

00:52:45.440 our case.

00:52:46.600 Donald Trump won because

00:52:48.220 he's a fighter.

00:52:49.620 He is a bull in a China

00:52:51.020 shop and you can

00:52:52.020 criticize the broken

00:52:54.000 China.

00:52:55.060 But for me, Washington,

00:52:56.360 D.C. right now needs

00:52:57.860 a fighter, a bull in a

00:52:59.520 China shop, someone who

00:53:01.040 will help bring down

00:53:02.040 that system.

00:53:03.060 And so when he ran in

00:53:05.240 the primary and he

00:53:06.500 articulated a stance

00:53:07.960 against George Bush,

00:53:10.640 Mitt Romney and John

00:53:11.820 McCain's policies and he

00:53:14.000 began to fight on these

00:53:15.400 issues, there was

00:53:16.280 incredible blowback.

00:53:18.220 Not only to him, I can

00:53:20.140 tell you a whole bunch of

00:53:21.520 people in my life

00:53:24.760 who said to me, you will

00:53:27.100 never work in foreign

00:53:28.020 policy again because you're

00:53:29.360 working for Donald Trump.

00:53:30.880 The cancel culture from

00:53:32.340 Republicans within the

00:53:33.640 foreign policy community for

00:53:34.980 supporting Donald Trump

00:53:35.980 was huge.

00:53:37.560 It continues to this day.

00:53:39.900 When that comes back to

00:53:40.940 you, as I know now you're a

00:53:42.620 senior fellow at Carnegie

00:53:44.120 Mellon University Institute for

00:53:45.540 Politics and that the

00:53:47.440 students there felt

00:53:48.940 unsafe, that somebody who

00:53:50.920 had, quote, propped up

00:53:52.220 Donald Trump's agenda

00:53:53.220 had come on board.

00:53:55.000 And even some of the

00:53:56.040 professors complained that,

00:53:57.620 you know, anyone who helps

00:53:58.960 execute Trump's agenda

00:54:00.660 should not be welcomed at

00:54:02.540 Carnegie Mellon.

00:54:03.640 What what did you think

00:54:05.380 when you saw that?

00:54:07.140 I will tell you that I

00:54:09.180 wasn't surprised.

00:54:10.200 the tactics from the

00:54:13.140 left are like that.

00:54:17.200 But I had to do a lot of

00:54:18.340 Zoom calls with students

00:54:20.060 who couldn't articulate a

00:54:22.300 very good message.

00:54:23.220 You know, young female

00:54:24.540 students saying to me that

00:54:25.880 they felt unsafe with me

00:54:27.840 on campus.

00:54:28.900 And I just I didn't say,

00:54:31.000 but what I wanted to say is,

00:54:32.100 you know, I'm gay, right?

00:54:33.180 You should feel really safe.

00:54:34.600 I'm probably the one person

00:54:35.920 to feel really safe.

00:54:37.040 But but I just chalk it up

00:54:40.100 to what has happened,

00:54:41.780 which is we've taught

00:54:43.120 these young kids to run

00:54:45.600 out of the room with their

00:54:46.780 fingers in their ears

00:54:47.780 instead of engaging on

00:54:49.600 issues.

00:54:50.100 And it's sad to me.

00:54:51.920 And it and it requires,

00:54:53.360 as we were talking with

00:54:54.460 the two individuals who

00:54:55.760 were submitted

00:54:57.280 questions, our answers

00:54:58.380 were get tough, realize

00:55:00.080 they're going to push back

00:55:01.080 on you.

00:55:01.800 But speak your piece.

00:55:03.060 You have a voice.

00:55:04.060 Don't be silent.

00:55:04.860 But I mean, they're talking

00:55:06.820 to somebody with a resume

00:55:08.000 like yours.

00:55:08.900 Just take that, you know,

00:55:09.860 your time as DNI,

00:55:11.160 director of national

00:55:11.700 intelligence, oversaw all

00:55:13.040 18 agencies,

00:55:14.840 intelligence agencies

00:55:16.040 in the United States.

00:55:17.480 What kind of a moron

00:55:18.320 would say, I don't want

00:55:19.560 that person on my university

00:55:20.720 because he makes me feel

00:55:21.780 unsafe when somebody

00:55:22.800 tells me that I make them

00:55:23.700 feel de-safe or the

00:55:25.100 other big term is, quote,

00:55:26.340 dehumanized?

00:55:27.200 I say, take it up

00:55:28.520 with your therapist.

00:55:29.420 If you are letting somebody

00:55:30.640 you've never met before

00:55:31.700 make you feel unsafe

00:55:32.940 or dehumanized

00:55:34.680 just by their words,

00:55:36.080 we've got work to do

00:55:36.860 that has nothing to do

00:55:37.620 with that person.

00:55:38.820 Nothing whatsoever.

00:55:40.780 So, but I do have to ask

00:55:42.060 you about being DNI

00:55:42.900 because for me,

00:55:43.600 as your fan,

00:55:44.340 I was, I thought

00:55:44.880 that was amazing.

00:55:45.480 And I thought, okay,

00:55:46.760 if somebody tapped me

00:55:47.520 on the shoulder

00:55:47.940 and made me acting DNI,

00:55:49.580 even though it was only

00:55:50.580 for a few months,

00:55:51.960 what would I do

00:55:52.640 when I got to the office?

00:55:53.500 And the number one

00:55:54.280 thing I would do

00:55:54.920 is see if they had

00:55:56.320 a file on me

00:55:56.940 and what was in it.

00:55:57.940 And the number two

00:55:58.780 thing I would do

00:55:59.520 is see what the file

00:56:00.840 on UFOs said.

00:56:02.120 So, what did you do

00:56:04.580 when you first got there?

00:56:07.200 The first thing I did

00:56:07.900 was ask for

00:56:08.760 the Russian collusion

00:56:10.020 file.

00:56:12.100 I wanted to see

00:56:12.920 what was said

00:56:13.820 because I could see

00:56:14.540 what was being said

00:56:15.380 on television,

00:56:16.800 but I wanted to know

00:56:18.040 what the truth was.

00:56:18.960 And that's when I

00:56:19.640 became very sad.

00:56:21.720 Well, it certainly

00:56:22.540 was filled with

00:56:23.280 a lot of warnings

00:56:24.280 from career officials

00:56:25.480 saying this is

00:56:26.320 Russian propaganda,

00:56:27.280 we shouldn't use it.

00:56:28.620 But those warnings

00:56:29.720 were ignored.

00:56:30.700 What do you mean

00:56:31.240 the dossier

00:56:31.800 and all the stuff

00:56:32.300 about Trump,

00:56:32.880 all the nonsense

00:56:33.360 that we now know

00:56:34.360 is total nonsense

00:56:35.060 about Trump?

00:56:36.960 Yes.

00:56:37.340 From the beginning,

00:56:38.860 the Hillary Clinton

00:56:39.860 opposition dump,

00:56:41.480 which became

00:56:41.980 the Steele dossier,

00:56:43.080 which is all of this

00:56:44.080 baloney on Trump,

00:56:45.960 was from,

00:56:46.940 filled with

00:56:48.700 Russian propaganda.

00:56:50.500 And we saw it

00:56:52.140 in the intelligence

00:56:52.880 community.

00:56:53.600 You can be proud

00:56:54.460 that you had

00:56:54.940 career intelligence

00:56:55.800 officials who said

00:56:56.620 this is malarkey,

00:56:58.160 this is Russian

00:56:59.100 propaganda.

00:57:00.140 We shouldn't use it.

00:57:01.800 But the leadership

00:57:02.600 of the intelligence

00:57:03.940 community ignored

00:57:04.960 those warnings

00:57:05.640 and filed them away

00:57:06.880 and tried to

00:57:08.660 hide those warnings.

00:57:10.220 And so I first

00:57:11.760 saw the

00:57:13.540 file.

00:57:14.820 I wanted to

00:57:15.600 really figure out

00:57:17.480 what was in it.

00:57:19.240 And I next

00:57:20.240 just decided

00:57:21.500 to be transparent.

00:57:22.700 I think it's

00:57:23.460 really important.

00:57:24.260 It's not political

00:57:25.040 to be transparent.

00:57:26.820 It's unique

00:57:27.640 in Washington,

00:57:28.280 but I wanted

00:57:29.040 to share

00:57:29.840 with the American

00:57:30.920 people as much

00:57:31.720 of the information

00:57:32.440 as possible

00:57:33.120 with one goal,

00:57:35.060 which was

00:57:35.700 to have more faith

00:57:37.320 in the intelligence

00:57:38.640 community.

00:57:39.240 If the public

00:57:40.420 believes that the

00:57:41.480 intelligence community

00:57:42.320 is being open

00:57:42.940 and honest,

00:57:43.680 then we are going

00:57:44.800 to be better off.

00:57:46.040 And now we're

00:57:46.540 full circle.

00:57:47.920 Now we're full circle,

00:57:48.780 right?

00:57:48.960 Because it's

00:57:49.660 back then,

00:57:50.860 Russian disinformation

00:57:51.960 was welcome.

00:57:52.760 They slapped it

00:57:53.300 on the banner

00:57:54.060 of CNN

00:57:54.540 every other

00:57:55.600 day.

00:57:56.600 What was in

00:57:57.340 the debunked

00:57:58.120 Steele dossier,

00:57:58.960 which had red

00:57:59.940 flags all over it

00:58:00.760 right from the

00:58:01.200 start.

00:58:01.600 Now suddenly it's

00:58:02.560 reporting it in

00:58:03.320 the New York

00:58:03.620 Post and it

00:58:04.060 hurts Joe Biden,

00:58:04.900 so it's a

00:58:05.240 different story.

00:58:06.380 But okay,

00:58:06.840 I have to ask

00:58:07.320 another question

00:58:07.900 because I

00:58:08.420 used to,

00:58:09.080 I love this

00:58:09.500 guy,

00:58:09.720 Phil Houston.

00:58:10.400 He created

00:58:11.920 the CIA's

00:58:12.820 deception

00:58:13.680 detection

00:58:14.280 techniques.

00:58:15.380 He was at

00:58:15.700 the CIA for

00:58:16.300 25 years,

00:58:17.120 half of which

00:58:17.660 he figured out

00:58:18.860 whether a bad

00:58:19.440 guy overseas

00:58:19.920 was a terrorist

00:58:20.640 and half of

00:58:21.500 which he figured

00:58:22.080 out whether a

00:58:23.360 supposed good

00:58:23.980 guy here in

00:58:24.440 the United

00:58:24.700 States who

00:58:25.200 was at the

00:58:25.540 CIA had

00:58:26.200 turned and

00:58:27.200 was working

00:58:27.560 for another

00:58:27.940 government,

00:58:28.880 which I just

00:58:29.220 freaking love.

00:58:30.200 Can you imagine?

00:58:31.360 So I'm thinking

00:58:32.640 about you in

00:58:33.280 there, Rick,

00:58:33.660 and I'm like,

00:58:34.640 what would it

00:58:35.700 be like to be

00:58:36.540 his boss and

00:58:38.800 the boss of

00:58:39.600 all these other

00:58:40.420 guys in the

00:58:41.020 intel community?

00:58:41.800 A lot of

00:58:42.080 who are like

00:58:42.620 chiseled

00:58:43.240 generals and

00:58:44.120 they've been

00:58:44.580 through war.

00:58:45.940 Like, do you

00:58:47.020 think, oh my

00:58:48.040 God, this is

00:58:49.100 scary.

00:58:49.920 I just can't

00:58:51.060 imagine what the

00:58:51.680 reaction is to

00:58:52.460 having that kind

00:58:53.780 of authority

00:58:54.320 over those

00:58:55.220 kinds of

00:58:55.620 guys and

00:58:56.480 gals.

00:58:58.240 Well, I

00:58:59.040 think when

00:58:59.740 you are

00:59:00.400 surrounded with

00:59:01.420 these individuals

00:59:02.160 from a whole

00:59:03.760 walks of life,

00:59:05.080 you see it as

00:59:06.180 America because,

00:59:07.480 well, yes,

00:59:08.100 there are those

00:59:08.900 types who are

00:59:10.100 the secret

00:59:11.200 types and,

00:59:12.520 you know,

00:59:13.060 they've been

00:59:13.680 through war and

00:59:14.800 they are steady

00:59:16.120 and weathered

00:59:19.380 from war.

00:59:20.160 you also have

00:59:22.060 within the

00:59:22.940 intelligence

00:59:23.260 community people

00:59:24.480 that are

00:59:25.240 moms, new

00:59:27.120 moms.

00:59:29.100 You have

00:59:29.580 glamorous people

00:59:30.980 that you would

00:59:31.460 you have

00:59:34.180 glamorous people

00:59:35.200 who you would

00:59:35.780 think this is

00:59:36.640 like a fashion

00:59:37.300 icon, but she

00:59:38.120 happens to be

00:59:39.020 a CIA agent.

00:59:42.120 And then you

00:59:43.020 have some real

00:59:44.140 tech nerds who

00:59:46.280 just really

00:59:47.060 know how to

00:59:47.900 be cyber

00:59:49.140 spies.

00:59:51.260 And so you

00:59:52.380 can be proud

00:59:53.140 of the

00:59:53.720 intelligence

00:59:54.160 community because

00:59:54.900 we're a little

00:59:55.300 bit of

00:59:55.580 everything.

00:59:57.140 In those

00:59:57.480 moments, like

00:59:58.280 when you went

00:59:58.620 to sleep during

00:59:59.720 that time

01:00:00.580 period, was

01:00:01.600 it a little

01:00:01.960 scarier?

01:00:02.700 Did you, I

01:00:03.220 mean, you know

01:00:03.560 how like you're

01:00:04.180 supposed to bolt

01:00:04.660 your doors, but

01:00:05.240 you don't always

01:00:05.700 bolt your doors.

01:00:06.480 Was that a time

01:00:07.160 where everything

01:00:08.380 was in full

01:00:09.020 lockdown?

01:00:09.660 You and your

01:00:09.960 partner were

01:00:10.460 sleeping with

01:00:11.000 weapons nearby?

01:00:11.820 I mean, what

01:00:12.480 was it like?

01:00:13.040 Well, we had

01:00:15.060 full 24-7

01:00:16.420 security that

01:00:18.120 was quite

01:00:19.080 enormous, and

01:00:20.320 everything had

01:00:21.060 to be, you

01:00:22.600 know, highly

01:00:23.100 secured and

01:00:23.720 locked down

01:00:24.320 with special

01:00:25.280 rooms to make

01:00:26.480 phone calls in.

01:00:27.660 So it was

01:00:28.160 incredibly disruptive

01:00:29.320 to a normal

01:00:30.400 life.

01:00:32.080 I'm, you

01:00:33.580 know, lucky

01:00:34.280 that we were

01:00:35.600 able to just

01:00:36.200 get through it

01:00:37.000 and recognize

01:00:37.760 it was a

01:00:38.520 short acting

01:00:39.560 time.

01:00:40.340 The president

01:00:40.720 had wanted

01:00:41.220 to make me

01:00:42.160 acting to

01:00:44.340 be the

01:00:44.680 director.

01:00:45.720 He asked

01:00:46.120 me numerous

01:00:46.580 times, and

01:00:47.500 I just didn't

01:00:48.440 want to do

01:00:48.960 it.

01:00:50.100 I had other

01:00:51.060 interests and

01:00:52.540 really pushed

01:00:54.060 him to allow

01:00:55.340 me to do

01:00:55.820 other things,

01:00:56.440 and that's the

01:00:56.860 great thing

01:00:57.260 about President

01:00:57.760 Trump is he

01:00:58.400 really does

01:00:59.120 listen to

01:00:59.760 those who he

01:01:01.260 likes and who

01:01:02.040 he feels are

01:01:02.680 loyal, and he

01:01:03.480 works with you

01:01:04.340 on what you

01:01:04.820 want to do.

01:01:05.300 He doesn't

01:01:05.840 demand that you

01:01:06.620 do any one

01:01:07.220 thing.

01:01:08.380 And so when

01:01:09.520 he did ask

01:01:10.160 me, though, to

01:01:10.760 go in and be

01:01:11.480 acting at a

01:01:12.140 crucial time, I

01:01:13.640 could hear it

01:01:14.120 in his voice

01:01:14.580 that he needed

01:01:15.080 me, and I

01:01:15.540 said yes.

01:01:16.540 Well, that's

01:01:16.920 one of the

01:01:17.840 quotes that

01:01:18.240 jumped out at

01:01:18.700 me when you

01:01:19.100 were appointed

01:01:19.600 temporarily was

01:01:20.660 Susan Rice from

01:01:22.400 the Obama

01:01:22.800 administration who

01:01:23.520 called you one

01:01:24.000 of the most

01:01:24.480 nasty, dishonest

01:01:25.820 people I've

01:01:26.300 ever encountered,

01:01:27.020 and I

01:01:27.200 thought, wow,

01:01:29.320 dishonest.

01:01:30.140 This is the

01:01:30.520 person who, you

01:01:31.480 know, Benghazi

01:01:32.120 video is about a

01:01:33.080 video.

01:01:33.640 Okay, so I'm

01:01:35.060 sure that one

01:01:35.520 didn't cut too

01:01:36.100 deep, but I

01:01:37.420 just thought it

01:01:37.840 would be such a

01:01:38.360 cool assignment.

01:01:38.880 I took it as a

01:01:39.560 compliment if

01:01:40.420 somebody like her

01:01:41.220 was telling me

01:01:41.920 that I was the

01:01:42.580 worst person in

01:01:43.220 the world for the

01:01:43.860 job.

01:01:44.360 I felt, well,

01:01:45.020 there's probably a

01:01:45.600 lot of secrets that

01:01:46.300 she has over there.

01:01:47.420 She doesn't want

01:01:47.920 anyone to know.

01:01:49.120 Right, least of

01:01:49.560 all you.

01:01:50.140 So, okay, let's

01:01:51.240 talk about Trump

01:01:52.020 and the race

01:01:53.380 before I let you

01:01:54.340 go.

01:01:54.940 I'll tell you that

01:01:55.900 one of your old

01:01:56.840 mentors, John

01:01:57.600 Bolton, came out,

01:01:58.960 and I know you've

01:01:59.480 been critical of his

01:02:00.560 allegations in his

01:02:01.440 book about Trump

01:02:02.300 and Ukraine and

01:02:02.980 all that because he

01:02:03.760 wouldn't say it

01:02:04.160 under oath.

01:02:04.680 He said it in a

01:02:05.280 book.

01:02:05.880 I get all that,

01:02:06.720 but can I just

01:02:07.640 ask you, because he

01:02:08.340 just said, I

01:02:09.580 think just today

01:02:10.220 to CNN, he's

01:02:11.820 not going to vote

01:02:12.300 for Trump.

01:02:12.860 He says he's not

01:02:13.380 going to vote for

01:02:13.800 Biden, but he

01:02:14.540 said one reason

01:02:15.680 he's not going to

01:02:16.180 vote for Trump

01:02:16.640 is that eight

01:02:17.460 years could cause

01:02:19.040 irreparable damage

01:02:20.160 to the United

01:02:20.900 States and its

01:02:21.940 international relations.

01:02:23.040 He says he

01:02:23.660 doesn't think we've

01:02:24.560 suffered it yet,

01:02:25.300 but he thinks

01:02:26.300 another four years

01:02:27.620 and Trump will

01:02:29.160 cause irreparable

01:02:29.940 damage.

01:02:31.280 What do you think

01:02:32.100 about that?

01:02:32.980 And what do you

01:02:33.920 think about Bolton

01:02:34.600 and his 180 on

01:02:35.840 Donald Trump?

01:02:36.320 Yeah, so first

01:02:38.100 of all, I think

01:02:38.720 it's important to

01:02:40.840 remember because I

01:02:41.760 think the media

01:02:42.520 have always gotten

01:02:43.920 this completely

01:02:44.900 wrong.

01:02:45.700 I worked at the

01:02:47.560 UN for eight

01:02:48.600 years for four

01:02:49.940 different ambassadors.

01:02:51.820 John Bolton was

01:02:52.560 there for one year

01:02:53.780 of my eight years,

01:02:55.080 so I worked with

01:02:55.760 him for only one

01:02:56.860 year, but he was

01:02:57.620 the most famous

01:02:58.380 and he did the

01:02:59.760 most.

01:03:00.580 And so people who

01:03:02.420 really don't know

01:03:03.680 my entire career

01:03:04.980 there boil it

01:03:06.320 down to John

01:03:07.580 Bolton.

01:03:08.100 But, you know,

01:03:08.420 I worked for

01:03:08.840 John Danforth

01:03:09.660 there as well,

01:03:11.100 who is an

01:03:11.680 amazing man,

01:03:13.060 who was an

01:03:14.400 Episcopal minister

01:03:15.340 and a real rock

01:03:16.700 star when it came

01:03:17.440 to Sudan and

01:03:18.320 other issues.

01:03:19.620 John has a

01:03:20.320 different style,

01:03:21.060 and every one of

01:03:21.980 these ambassadors

01:03:22.540 had a different

01:03:23.100 style.

01:03:23.720 I learned a lot

01:03:24.560 from John Bolton,

01:03:25.480 and some of what

01:03:26.280 I learned is how

01:03:27.040 not to be.

01:03:28.640 And John is a

01:03:29.900 very passionate

01:03:30.860 person who uses

01:03:34.180 different tools.

01:03:35.620 And one of the

01:03:36.340 things that he

01:03:37.160 does is he

01:03:38.340 likes to use

01:03:38.940 the hammer all

01:03:39.780 of the time.

01:03:41.380 And when he

01:03:42.080 went in as

01:03:42.620 national security

01:03:43.400 advisor, he

01:03:44.820 forgot that

01:03:45.820 Donald Trump

01:03:46.380 was the one

01:03:47.180 who was elected

01:03:48.460 president.

01:03:49.180 And so he

01:03:50.220 worked in the

01:03:50.880 shadows to

01:03:51.820 define issues

01:03:52.720 that people

01:03:53.200 weren't thinking

01:03:53.920 about, and he

01:03:55.200 defined them his

01:03:56.020 way.

01:03:56.520 And I think

01:03:56.940 what the failure

01:03:58.120 of John Bolton

01:03:58.940 as national security

01:03:59.900 advisor was that

01:04:00.840 he put himself

01:04:02.140 in the role

01:04:03.420 of making

01:04:04.920 the decision,

01:04:05.540 and he didn't

01:04:06.900 allow Donald

01:04:07.740 Trump's style

01:04:08.640 to be going

01:04:10.840 forward.

01:04:11.300 So with that

01:04:11.820 said, I would

01:04:12.420 say that his

01:04:13.080 new warning

01:04:13.760 makes sense,

01:04:14.680 because John

01:04:15.360 Bolton doesn't

01:04:16.180 want an

01:04:17.200 engagement with

01:04:18.740 the current

01:04:20.140 regime in Iran,

01:04:21.200 just like he

01:04:21.720 didn't want

01:04:22.240 engagement with

01:04:23.980 Kim Jong-un.

01:04:24.820 He thinks

01:04:25.240 that's dangerous

01:04:26.160 to engage with

01:04:27.040 these people.

01:04:27.480 Donald Trump

01:04:27.980 thinks talking

01:04:29.300 is a tactic,

01:04:30.000 it's not a

01:04:30.620 goal.

01:04:30.880 And you

01:04:32.060 can sit

01:04:32.440 down and

01:04:33.260 you can

01:04:33.680 demand action

01:04:34.840 and demand

01:04:36.040 a change in

01:04:36.640 behavior by

01:04:38.100 talking.

01:04:38.880 And Donald

01:04:39.340 Trump is not

01:04:39.860 afraid of

01:04:40.320 talking.

01:04:41.340 And literally

01:04:42.360 everything about

01:04:43.720 John Bolton

01:04:44.320 wants to go

01:04:46.140 the opposite

01:04:46.720 of that.

01:04:47.480 And so when

01:04:48.080 he says that

01:04:49.420 he thinks that

01:04:50.280 it could be

01:04:50.880 dangerous, he

01:04:52.800 does not want

01:04:54.020 to talk or

01:04:55.800 engage with

01:04:56.620 enemies.

01:04:57.540 Now I know

01:04:57.940 that you've

01:04:58.520 been out there

01:04:58.960 on the campaign

01:04:59.580 trail for

01:05:00.100 Trump.

01:05:00.420 And I

01:05:01.100 know you

01:05:01.440 want him

01:05:01.780 to win,

01:05:02.280 obviously.

01:05:03.000 But so do

01:05:03.760 your best to

01:05:04.320 put that

01:05:04.660 desire to

01:05:05.240 the side and

01:05:05.800 give me this

01:05:06.420 answer as a

01:05:07.160 political analyst.

01:05:08.440 What are his

01:05:08.840 chances?

01:05:09.480 I mean, if you

01:05:10.240 had to put

01:05:10.620 money on it,

01:05:12.040 do you think

01:05:12.640 he'll win?

01:05:15.140 I think

01:05:15.440 absolutely,

01:05:16.160 yes.

01:05:16.600 And here's

01:05:17.040 why.

01:05:17.420 I've been

01:05:17.760 all over

01:05:18.120 Nevada,

01:05:18.940 Ohio,

01:05:19.780 Pennsylvania,

01:05:20.560 and Florida.

01:05:22.140 And when I

01:05:22.880 look at the

01:05:23.480 Republican Party,

01:05:24.400 I've been on

01:05:24.760 five, maybe

01:05:25.980 six presidential

01:05:26.840 races.

01:05:27.320 you win

01:05:29.020 when you do

01:05:29.960 one of two

01:05:30.460 things, when

01:05:31.160 you have

01:05:31.400 excitement with

01:05:32.160 your base and

01:05:33.740 when you

01:05:34.140 appeal to

01:05:34.760 new groups.

01:05:36.260 And I have

01:05:36.740 never seen our

01:05:37.620 crowds for

01:05:38.340 Republican rallies

01:05:39.380 more like

01:05:41.680 America.

01:05:43.500 Donald Trump

01:05:43.960 has brought

01:05:44.260 more black,

01:05:45.080 Hispanic,

01:05:46.220 gays, and

01:05:47.120 working class

01:05:48.080 people into

01:05:48.680 the party.

01:05:49.140 Now, many

01:05:50.160 in Washington

01:05:50.820 who write

01:05:51.520 op-eds and

01:05:52.880 who control

01:05:53.660 the media

01:05:54.180 will try to

01:05:55.480 highlight

01:05:56.100 soccer moms

01:05:57.060 or the

01:05:59.800 typical

01:06:01.160 Republican

01:06:01.940 elite,

01:06:03.200 we call

01:06:04.560 never

01:06:04.880 Trumpers,

01:06:05.700 and try to

01:06:06.760 pretend that

01:06:07.360 those groups

01:06:07.920 are the

01:06:08.260 majority

01:06:08.700 groups or

01:06:09.520 that Donald

01:06:10.000 Trump is

01:06:10.400 losing the

01:06:12.200 typical

01:06:12.700 Republican

01:06:13.520 voter.

01:06:13.940 But the

01:06:14.260 numbers don't

01:06:14.900 show that.

01:06:15.460 The numbers

01:06:15.780 show that

01:06:16.280 97, 96

01:06:17.680 percent of

01:06:18.360 Republicans are

01:06:19.000 staying with

01:06:19.500 Donald Trump.

01:06:20.680 I think he

01:06:21.300 holds by

01:06:22.560 far the

01:06:23.040 majority of

01:06:23.600 Republicans,

01:06:24.020 and he

01:06:24.420 reaches out

01:06:24.880 to new

01:06:25.280 groups,

01:06:26.140 working-class

01:06:26.780 Americans,

01:06:27.480 and that's

01:06:27.960 a coalition

01:06:28.500 that's

01:06:28.800 unbeatable.

01:06:29.760 You heard

01:06:30.100 it right

01:06:30.500 here.

01:06:31.260 Before we

01:06:31.760 go, can

01:06:32.200 I say

01:06:32.560 one thing

01:06:33.240 to you?

01:06:34.040 Your

01:06:34.380 listeners

01:06:34.880 probably

01:06:35.580 don't know

01:06:36.160 this about

01:06:36.640 you, but

01:06:37.160 I wanted

01:06:37.560 to just

01:06:37.980 say this

01:06:38.440 little story

01:06:39.020 which is

01:06:39.420 so important

01:06:40.080 to me

01:06:40.460 because when

01:06:41.000 I, seven

01:06:41.980 years ago,

01:06:42.560 got diagnosed

01:06:43.600 with non-Hodgkin's

01:06:44.740 lymphoma,

01:06:45.460 stage 3,

01:06:46.160 terrible

01:06:46.680 disease,

01:06:47.420 you

01:06:47.960 call, I

01:06:49.180 don't even

01:06:49.420 know if you

01:06:49.660 remember this

01:06:50.040 because we've

01:06:50.440 never talked

01:06:51.060 about it

01:06:51.640 after the

01:06:52.160 initial thank

01:06:52.820 you, but

01:06:53.320 this is where

01:06:54.440 I believe this

01:06:55.460 is Megan

01:06:56.500 Kelly's heart.

01:06:57.740 You called

01:06:58.480 and you had

01:06:59.700 one reason

01:07:01.120 to call and

01:07:01.680 you said,

01:07:02.300 I'm calling

01:07:02.780 because I

01:07:03.600 know this is

01:07:04.140 going to be

01:07:04.420 hard on

01:07:05.500 Matt and

01:07:06.680 I want to

01:07:07.400 know is there

01:07:08.060 anything I can

01:07:08.840 do for

01:07:09.560 Matt, the

01:07:10.300 caregiver in

01:07:11.460 this situation.

01:07:12.140 and that

01:07:13.760 spoke volumes

01:07:15.040 about who

01:07:15.480 you were

01:07:15.940 and spoke

01:07:16.420 volumes to

01:07:17.040 us and I

01:07:18.100 just wanted

01:07:18.520 to relay

01:07:19.060 that little

01:07:19.580 story and

01:07:20.380 say publicly

01:07:21.200 which I've

01:07:21.780 never said

01:07:22.180 publicly to

01:07:22.860 you, thank

01:07:23.340 you again

01:07:24.040 for having

01:07:25.140 such a human

01:07:25.920 heart to

01:07:26.520 people who

01:07:27.220 are around

01:07:27.800 you.

01:07:28.480 Oh Rick,

01:07:29.000 thank you so

01:07:29.620 much.

01:07:30.120 I love that

01:07:30.600 you guys are

01:07:31.020 still together

01:07:31.540 and that you

01:07:32.480 weathered that

01:07:33.160 storm and

01:07:33.720 are more than

01:07:34.440 five years

01:07:35.380 cancer-free,

01:07:36.180 thank God.

01:07:36.780 I remember

01:07:39.120 hearing the

01:07:39.760 diagnosis and

01:07:40.420 just being so

01:07:41.060 scared and

01:07:41.780 upset for

01:07:42.780 you and I

01:07:43.580 will say I

01:07:44.620 remember I

01:07:45.460 read not

01:07:46.300 long ago a

01:07:46.900 quote from

01:07:47.240 you about

01:07:47.900 the effect

01:07:48.320 it had on

01:07:48.740 your life and

01:07:49.200 I thought

01:07:49.560 that's the

01:07:50.920 beautiful man

01:07:51.500 I know.

01:07:52.300 You know,

01:07:52.520 it was about

01:07:53.000 something to

01:07:53.420 the effect of

01:07:54.060 how you wake

01:07:54.660 up with a

01:07:55.300 greater sense

01:07:56.000 of purpose

01:07:56.440 now and

01:07:57.480 feel not

01:07:58.500 only better

01:07:58.940 about life

01:07:59.740 but better

01:08:00.860 about death

01:08:02.180 too.

01:08:03.420 Can you just

01:08:03.960 expand on that

01:08:05.440 before we

01:08:05.840 say goodbye?

01:08:06.140 I always say

01:08:07.460 that I'm

01:08:07.780 better because

01:08:08.660 I have

01:08:08.980 cancer.

01:08:10.020 I live

01:08:10.760 life knowing

01:08:12.320 that when

01:08:12.720 you wake

01:08:13.080 up and

01:08:14.320 you get a

01:08:14.860 new day

01:08:15.400 that it's

01:08:16.860 a gift and

01:08:17.860 you should

01:08:18.620 embrace it

01:08:19.440 and have no

01:08:20.080 regrets and

01:08:21.340 no fears of

01:08:22.080 death and

01:08:23.100 when you

01:08:23.620 don't have a

01:08:24.700 fear of

01:08:25.160 death,

01:08:25.960 boy, you

01:08:26.180 live life a

01:08:27.100 lot more

01:08:27.760 loudly.

01:08:28.580 Yeah, here's

01:08:29.720 to that.

01:08:30.640 All the best

01:08:31.180 to you.

01:08:31.640 Thank you so

01:08:32.040 much for being

01:08:32.400 here, Rick.

01:08:32.920 Thanks, Megan.

01:08:33.600 Lots of love.

01:08:34.140 Don't miss

01:08:35.880 the show on

01:08:36.400 Friday.

01:08:37.060 We'll be putting

01:08:37.540 out a version

01:08:38.080 that morning

01:08:39.160 reacting to

01:08:40.520 the third

01:08:41.160 and final,

01:08:41.880 well, I guess

01:08:42.220 it's technically

01:08:42.780 the second

01:08:43.260 and final

01:08:43.980 presidential

01:08:44.600 debate of

01:08:45.940 the 2020

01:08:46.460 election season.

01:08:47.600 I'll give you

01:08:48.140 all my thoughts

01:08:48.820 and then we'll

01:08:49.160 have our

01:08:49.940 panel guests

01:08:50.480 come in and

01:08:51.000 weigh in with

01:08:51.420 their opinions.

01:08:52.520 Looking forward

01:08:53.100 to it.

01:08:53.420 It looks like

01:08:53.840 this one's

01:08:54.240 actually going

01:08:54.900 to happen

01:08:55.380 and this is

01:08:56.320 the chance

01:08:56.740 for both

01:08:57.120 candidates to

01:08:57.720 close and

01:08:58.620 supposed to

01:08:59.000 be on

01:08:59.200 foreign policy.

01:08:59.840 This one

01:09:00.220 could be

01:09:00.520 the most

01:09:00.820 important

01:09:01.220 one yet.

01:09:02.380 Don't miss

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01:09:03.120 Tune in

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01:09:30.220 You know

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01:09:37.860 What?

01:09:38.180 Oh,

01:09:38.420 focus on

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01:09:39.540 Okay,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 21, 2020

Ric Grenell on Trump, Faith, and Being a Gay Conservative ｜ Ep. 13

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