The Megyn Kelly Show - Ridiculous Anti-ICE Celebs at Grammys, Savannah Guthrie's Mom Missing, and Lemon's ＂Journalism,＂ with Jesse Kelly, Jonathan Turley, and Matt Murphy

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00:00:57.400 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:58.900 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday and happy February and Groundhog Day, for that matter.

00:01:04.740 Did you watch the Grammys last night?

00:01:07.420 Of course you didn't.

00:01:08.360 I mean, who did?

00:01:09.660 But we watched it so you didn't have to.

00:01:11.920 And we have the lowlights for you.

00:01:13.380 And there are plenty of them.

00:01:14.580 Plus, more follow-up from Don Lemon's indictment for storming a church in Minnesota, St. Paul, to protest ICE.

00:01:21.600 The brilliant legal scholar Jonathan Turley will break it down for us.

00:01:26.240 He's out with a new book and we'll discuss it with him in an hour.

00:01:30.020 Joining me first, however, is our friend Jesse Kelly, who is host of The Jesse Kelly Show, which you can hear on The Megyn Kelly Channel, Sirius XM 111, every weeknight at 6 p.m. Eastern.

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00:03:13.220 Jesse, welcome back.

00:03:14.200 Why are you giving your book away for free?

00:03:16.200 Well, it's a book.

00:03:17.620 I don't know.

00:03:18.320 MEGAN, you're the educated one.

00:03:19.840 I don't know what the transition is between a book and a booklet.

00:03:23.940 I guess I would probably call it a booklet.

00:03:25.480 It's only 93 pages.

00:03:27.140 It's just kind of, I wanted something short and easily consumable.

00:03:31.760 You know, everything's so long anymore.

00:03:33.520 Everything takes forever.

00:03:34.800 And we're more of an easily consumable society.

00:03:37.560 So it's just very short, you know.

00:03:39.080 Our friend Shirley, who we love, he went a different way.

00:03:42.040 His book is 448 pages.

00:03:44.160 So we've got two different approaches to that.

00:03:47.320 Yeah, no, and I'm sure it's very good.

00:03:50.120 And I wrote one long book, and I never wanted to write another book.

00:03:53.500 I just thought it would be good to have a condensed version of, you know, life, communism, Democrats,

00:03:58.980 Republicans, where we're at as a country, just kind of easily consumable.

00:04:02.940 And as we were putting it together, we thought, you know, I don't want to sell it.

00:04:06.700 I don't feel like selling it.

00:04:08.140 I'm not trying to, I just don't feel like selling it.

00:04:10.740 I just want people to have it.

00:04:12.780 So we're just going to email it out to everybody.

00:04:14.640 It's not a scam.

00:04:15.680 It's not a gimmick.

00:04:16.360 I'm not trying to, I'm not going to lock you into some portal thing or something like

00:04:20.460 that.

00:04:20.700 Just go jessikelly.com.

00:04:22.520 We're just going to send it to you for free.

00:04:23.940 Send it to your friends.

00:04:24.940 Enjoy it.

00:04:26.060 I've been channeling so much Jesse Kelly these days, because when I see these lunatics and

00:04:31.180 the nurses, Jesse, just like you said, they're everywhere.

00:04:36.700 The crazy videos, hoping Caroline Levitt is hurt during her delivery, hoping Usha Vance is

00:04:44.220 the ones calling for all out of salts with needles and the fatal medication by nurses in

00:04:52.080 these hospitals.

00:04:52.580 Thankfully, they are getting fired and they're getting their licenses revoked, at least if

00:04:56.500 they're in Florida.

00:04:57.600 But like this whole thing has been revenge of the nurses.

00:05:00.480 Can you speak to that?

00:05:01.700 Matt, because you called that long ago.

00:05:04.480 Well, we make a mistake.

00:05:06.680 We all make a mistake.

00:05:07.640 I've made this mistake.

00:05:08.620 But we certainly made this mistake in America when we think back to the real, the communists

00:05:14.360 on the street corners, right?

00:05:15.660 The crazies on the corner with the signs and the pink hair and the nose rings.

00:05:19.640 And it's human nature to look at those people and think, well, they're so deranged.

00:05:24.720 They're so crazy.

00:05:25.760 They're so stupid that, yeah, it's annoying, right?

00:05:28.620 They may screw up traffic, but I can avoid them.

00:05:32.300 They're never going to actually, I'm never going to have to encounter these people in

00:05:35.000 my life.

00:05:35.380 And of course, because of all their failings, they're never going to rise and actually

00:05:42.580 achieve important positions in society.

00:05:45.820 They're too crazy.

00:05:47.340 They're too stupid.

00:05:48.600 But that is so insanely naive.

00:05:51.480 History tells a completely different story that when you get enough of these bottom barrel

00:05:56.500 losers like this, they will eventually work their way through institutions and they will

00:06:02.200 pilot your planes.

00:06:03.540 They will be standing over your bed as you're in a hospital needing life-saving care.

00:06:08.000 They will be in critical positions in the government.

00:06:09.920 They will be judges.

00:06:10.920 They're not going to stay on the street corners forever.

00:06:14.100 And they did not.

00:06:15.000 I honestly don't like to dwell on it, Megan, because all of us at some point in time have

00:06:19.720 a hospital visit in our future.

00:06:21.960 And besides the education profession and maybe the legal profession, the takeover of the medical

00:06:27.260 profession by these monsters is probably the scariest thing to sit and dwell on when you

00:06:32.760 think about what that means for you.

00:06:34.360 Put your MAGA hat away when you go to the hospital.

00:06:37.360 Yeah, my scarily, yes.

00:06:39.620 All right.

00:06:40.180 And also when you go to the Grammys.

00:06:41.780 I mean, let me tell you my number one takeaway from last night.

00:06:44.460 There's a ton of mental illness in the music industry.

00:06:47.580 That's one.

00:06:48.580 And number two, not to put too fine a point on it, but I just sat there like, sing for

00:06:54.920 me, bitch.

00:06:56.060 That's how I felt.

00:06:57.520 Sing.

00:06:59.260 Sing.

00:06:59.760 I don't support anything you're doing.

00:07:01.680 I'll never buy your album.

00:07:02.720 But I will sit and listen to your music if I like it.

00:07:06.120 Sing.

00:07:06.560 Do it.

00:07:07.420 Dance.

00:07:08.480 Do it.

00:07:09.400 Watch.

00:07:09.720 I'll watch you and I'll listen.

00:07:11.620 I won't give you any money.

00:07:13.180 I don't give two shits what your thoughts are on politics.

00:07:16.380 Now sing right now.

00:07:17.720 That's how I felt.

00:07:18.920 Like you absolute jerk losers.

00:07:21.840 No nothings.

00:07:23.780 Justin Bieber is Canadian and is out there with his get out ice pin.

00:07:30.180 I mean, honestly, is dumb as two bananas.

00:07:33.100 He's so stupid.

00:07:34.380 There's nothing in between those ears.

00:07:36.240 He's a good singer and he likes to wear his underwear a lot that we know.

00:07:40.120 We know those things about Justin Bieber.

00:07:41.520 The thought that this guy's going to advise us on how to handle one of the most complex,

00:07:47.660 pernicious problems in America is so galling.

00:07:51.060 And then there's the fashion.

00:07:56.060 I mean, here's Billie Eilish, who might be the most depressed person in America.

00:08:00.480 I mean, like all of her music is like.

00:08:02.060 She shows up and she's ready to talk about ice with her disgusting outfit.

00:08:12.580 Truly, she was one of the worst dressed.

00:08:13.880 Not the worst.

00:08:14.500 We can talk about that in a minute because Jesse, I'm sure, wants to talk about best

00:08:17.060 dressed and worst dressed.

00:08:19.080 But here she was with a message, just like her fellow artists for ice and saw eight.

00:08:24.780 No one is illegal on stolen land.

00:08:30.060 What?

00:08:32.060 Yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now.

00:08:44.540 And I just, I feel really hopeful in this room.

00:08:48.080 And I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting.

00:08:52.440 And our voices really do matter and the people matter.

00:08:56.220 You literally look like the human embodiment of a domino, which is a great game.

00:08:59.780 But it wouldn't really be my motivation for the Grammys.

00:09:02.960 I mean, what?

00:09:03.980 Okay.

00:09:04.920 She, like everybody else who got up there to lecture us, has got more money than God.

00:09:11.160 Her property records reveal she's got, she paid $14 million for her LA estate back in 2023.

00:09:16.260 Yeah, and the property spans, Jesse, nearly four acres on an oak tree-studded hillside, gated, gated, of course,

00:09:25.580 accessed via a very long, sinuously winding driveway.

00:09:29.480 No part of the house itself is visible from the street, but it's quite large.

00:09:33.600 Six bedrooms, seven baths, nearly 7,000 square feet.

00:09:36.980 It's located on the ancestral, unceded land of the Tongva people.

00:09:42.060 Oh, wait a minute, Billy.

00:09:44.160 It's on ancestral land.

00:09:46.400 The County of Los Angeles formally recognizes that it occupies land originally and still inhabited and cared for by the Tongva,

00:09:52.560 along with other indigenous groups.

00:09:54.620 She has a net worth of well over $50 million, of course.

00:09:57.740 And Billy is just fine with her 24-7 security team and her gates and her four acres outside of LA.

00:10:11.200 But the rest of us need to live ungated, unprotected, without all the acreage,

00:10:17.400 and just deal with the murderous, raping illegals that she wants sicked on us, or we're bad people.

00:10:23.420 Well, you know, I've got actually a few things to say about these nutballs, Megan.

00:10:28.420 Yes, I need you to say them.

00:10:30.560 First, people can criticize the Romans, the most wonderful society in the history of mankind,

00:10:37.840 the longest lasting.

00:10:39.100 They gave more improvements to the planet than any other empire in the history of the world.

00:10:43.740 But the Romans had a lot of things figured out very, very well.

00:10:46.540 You said, just sing for me.

00:10:48.340 Well, that's exactly how the Romans viewed artists.

00:10:51.000 The Romans loved plays.

00:10:52.720 They loved music.

00:10:53.820 They absolutely adored these things.

00:10:55.620 But they also understood that generally the practitioners of these things should never,

00:11:00.380 ever, ever, ever, ever make decisions of any kind in a society.

00:11:04.700 High society Romans, it was actually a scandal if they were even seen talking to a musician and an actor.

00:11:11.720 They regarded them as the same level as prostitutes.

00:11:14.980 And you can say that's mean and that's insulting.

00:11:17.340 But I would invite everybody to go watch the Grammys and tell me just how far the Romans were off.

00:11:22.180 They nailed it exactly.

00:11:24.460 I don't need to argue politics with Billie Eilish.

00:11:28.280 I don't even know who this woman is.

00:11:30.440 In the same way, I don't need to argue politics with a monkey.

00:11:33.540 Her job is there to sing.

00:11:35.360 She's not there to make decisions.

00:11:37.120 Should never make decisions in a society.

00:11:39.520 I don't argue with my dog over what to have for dinner.

00:11:42.660 And I don't argue with Billie Eilish about how to handle immigration for a country of 300 million people.

00:11:47.920 That's not something that would ever happen in a million years.

00:11:50.920 And more than anything else, Megan, what they are is because we have such a corrupted system in this country where we have all these cultural institutions that are taken over by these monsters, what they're doing is they're trying to get access to the upper floors of the building.

00:12:08.320 And you have to check certain boxes to get access to the upper floors of the building.

00:12:12.620 For instance, I want to make sure he gets credit for it.

00:12:14.320 The wonderful actor James Woods gave an interview recently.

00:12:16.820 I don't remember who it was.

00:12:17.840 Sorry to not give that person credit.

00:12:19.360 But James Woods was actually talking about the Oscars.

00:12:21.500 And they would talk to him about DEI in Hollywood.

00:12:24.440 And James Woods said, well, here's how it works in Hollywood.

00:12:27.080 You can write the best movie in the world, have the best actors, have this and that.

00:12:30.560 If you don't have enough gays in it, enough black people in it, enough this.

00:12:34.700 If your movie is not, if it doesn't have enough DEI, then boom, you've run into the ceiling.

00:12:40.100 You can't get all the way up to the Oscar.

00:12:42.420 That is a box you must have checked.

00:12:44.700 Think of it like a security card.

00:12:46.300 If you can't scan it and get through that door, there's no Oscar for you.

00:12:50.640 So you have to start throwing that stuff in there.

00:12:53.280 These musicians are the exact same way.

00:12:55.580 Would you like $10 million to play at the next Democrat National Convention?

00:13:00.720 $10 million can be yours.

00:13:02.400 Pay for that house and that security.

00:13:04.140 But we're going to need 30 seconds from you at the Grammys rolling out the Democrat line

00:13:10.400 about how every single foreign barbarian should be able to move into your neighborhood and eat your cat.

00:13:15.880 That's what you have to do.

00:13:17.100 If you want that $10 million, it's the way you get to move on up the building.

00:13:21.660 And that's what they're doing.

00:13:22.580 They're just morons giving the company line because it keeps moving them up the floors.

00:13:27.080 That's all it does.

00:13:27.700 Remember when that idiot Macklemore or whatever that dork's name is?

00:13:31.360 I think he won a Grammy for like the worst song ever because it was all about gay people.

00:13:36.060 That's the only reason he won it.

00:13:37.160 It was the worst song ever.

00:13:38.140 I think it was like auto-tuned and everything else.

00:13:40.200 But he made it gay enough.

00:13:41.720 Boom.

00:13:42.180 Grammy.

00:13:42.600 There you go.

00:13:43.040 He's still at it.

00:13:45.360 He's been ripping on ice in the past couple of weeks as well, as have so many of them,

00:13:50.800 most of whom I have no idea who they are.

00:13:53.240 The only one who I knew was Shabuzi, whose music I like.

00:13:58.440 And he will sing for me, bitch.

00:14:00.080 He will.

00:14:01.040 Sing.

00:14:01.900 Do it.

00:14:03.080 Now.

00:14:04.480 Play.

00:14:05.100 That's it.

00:14:05.580 I love it.

00:14:06.040 I really don't give a shit about what their feelings are on politics.

00:14:10.040 I will listen to them sing.

00:14:11.500 I won't pay for the money, pay the money to listen to it because I won't support them.

00:14:15.660 But I do feel the need to mock them that they think they can come into our lane and talk

00:14:20.860 politics.

00:14:21.400 Same as I don't know shit about Shabuzi.

00:14:24.800 He sounds like a man who might need a 30 day in in-house treatment program.

00:14:29.180 But whatever.

00:14:30.320 I'm not going to opine on his music or how music's made because that's not my lane.

00:14:35.840 And I have news for you, Shabuzi.

00:14:37.640 And also we're going to see singer Kelani, Samara Joy, and also I think it's just those

00:14:44.340 three in this clip.

00:14:46.180 You don't know anything about politics either.

00:14:48.640 Stop three.

00:14:49.740 That I say is that everybody is so powerful in this room and in this room later.

00:14:54.480 And together we're stronger in numbers to speak against all the injustice going on in

00:14:58.480 the world right now.

00:14:59.260 So instead of letting it be just a couple of you here and there, I hope everybody is

00:15:05.780 inspired to join together as a community of artists and speak out against what's going

00:15:09.940 on.

00:15:10.220 And I'm going to leave this and say, fuck ICE.

00:15:15.100 I want to stand up.

00:15:16.340 You know, I don't want to draw attention to myself all the time without recognizing the

00:15:21.700 humanity between myself and all the people around the world who are experiencing such

00:15:25.960 tragedies.

00:15:26.880 Immigrants built this country, literally.

00:15:29.260 Oh, actually.

00:15:33.220 So this is for them, for all children of immigrants.

00:15:36.900 This is also for those who came to this country in search of better opportunity to be a part

00:15:40.660 of a nation that promised freedom for all and equal opportunity to everyone willing to

00:15:45.160 work for it.

00:15:46.280 Thank you for bringing your culture, your music, your stories and your traditions here.

00:15:49.600 You give America color.

00:15:51.620 I love y'all so much.

00:15:53.020 Thank you.

00:15:53.640 OK, Jesse, it's so dishonest.

00:15:57.880 It's so freaking dishonest to pretend that this is about immigrants.

00:16:00.840 It has nothing to do with immigrants.

00:16:02.760 There's lots of immigrants in the country right now.

00:16:04.620 We don't bother them.

00:16:05.700 They came in legally.

00:16:06.980 They jumped through the right hoops.

00:16:08.680 We don't bother them.

00:16:09.980 The first lady is an immigrant.

00:16:11.600 All right.

00:16:11.860 We don't bother them.

00:16:12.620 It's the illegal immigrants who need to get the F out.

00:16:17.140 And so, like, this is just so blatantly dishonest.

00:16:19.200 Is he dumb or dishonest?

00:16:20.600 We should play that game for everybody we're going to go through.

00:16:22.780 Your thoughts?

00:16:23.840 I think it's dumb.

00:16:25.280 And maybe even dumb is being a little mean, although you know how mean I actually am,

00:16:29.780 Megan.

00:16:30.060 I think it's more programmable.

00:16:32.060 You know what hit me when I was just watching that sod of all these people and Ice This and

00:16:35.860 F Ice and all this other stuff?

00:16:38.280 I would love to play a replay.

00:16:40.100 In fact, I think I'm going to go dig this up, a replay of what the Grammys were like during

00:16:44.540 COVID and how many of these people got up and told people to take the facts and get you

00:16:49.500 a shot, all these other things during COVID.

00:16:52.500 And what it shows is just they're just robots.

00:16:54.800 I mean, they're just robots not wearing very much clothing.

00:16:58.280 And you just upload to them, like a robot, whatever the latest software update is of

00:17:04.320 the day, whatever the latest commie talking points are, and they'll go out there and say

00:17:08.980 it.

00:17:09.360 You could, you could, I promise you, if there was enough propaganda and money behind it,

00:17:14.160 next year at the Grammys, you could get all these people to go out there and give a speech

00:17:19.220 on whale farts smelling good.

00:17:21.520 And it sounds ridiculous, but I guarantee if you put enough money incentive behind it and

00:17:26.080 get a promise them, there'd be a potential Grammy and there'd be great publicity behind

00:17:30.280 it.

00:17:30.500 And you're going to get in us weekly for it.

00:17:32.300 And you're going to get invited to this concert.

00:17:34.320 Every single one of these morons would go up there and talk about how wonderful whale

00:17:38.780 farts are.

00:17:39.340 And then the next year it would be something else.

00:17:41.420 And then the next year it'll be something else entirely.

00:17:43.660 It's not like these are introspective people who sit at home and consume the news.

00:17:47.540 They're not listening to the Megyn Kelly show on the wonderful Sirius XM.

00:17:50.940 They're not informed about anything at all, at all about anything.

00:17:55.260 They're just robots.

00:17:56.900 You just put in a little software update, beep, beep, beep, and they roll out there and

00:18:01.280 say the next thing.

00:18:03.020 I find it to be so boring.

00:18:05.160 And like I said, they're people who really just shouldn't be taking seriously at all.

00:18:10.380 And the one woman who gets up there and talks about how you're all so powerful.

00:18:16.160 Get freaking serious, you goober.

00:18:18.840 You're all a bunch of rich singers.

00:18:20.680 And by the way, you'll all be forgotten about in a year or two when the writers start writing

00:18:25.500 for someone else and you're stuck with your heroin in your beach house that's in bankruptcy

00:18:30.060 and now no one cares about what you say at the Grammys anymore.

00:18:33.240 It's all the same story every time these people are boring.

00:18:36.520 Yeah, and that's why in addition to being political hacks, they have to show up naked.

00:18:43.340 I mean, literally like naked for some of them.

00:18:47.900 This woman was just an attendee and she's in some reality show, but she really wanted

00:18:55.360 attention, Jesse, so she felt she had to go naked.

00:18:57.940 Um, her name, hold on for the listening audience.

00:19:01.380 She's naked.

00:19:02.360 I see an entire left boob, like it's side boob, but it's the whole boob.

00:19:07.560 Her name is Ciara Miller.

00:19:09.360 And I see an entire ass cheek.

00:19:12.840 There's like absolutely nothing covered on her except for like the little hip bone on the

00:19:16.660 left.

00:19:17.300 And so instead of keeping it classy, Jesse, she decided to show us exactly what every

00:19:22.660 man who's banged her has gotten to see, which seems like a little aggressive.

00:19:26.320 I'm, I'm just going to say like, once you've shown it off to the world, where's the excitement

00:19:30.780 your first night with your new man or your, you know, when you go home to your husband

00:19:34.340 and he knows he's the only one who gets that seems like it kind of deflates it for me.

00:19:38.680 And then there was Heidi Klum, the perpetually naked Heidi.

00:19:43.880 And I'm just going to tell you, Heidi Klum is around my age and sister.

00:19:48.200 There comes a time when you just have to stop with all the nudity.

00:19:51.280 She's on the beach in St.

00:19:52.860 Bart's happening to catch herself nude photographed in the nude every other month.

00:19:58.120 Jesse Heidi's beautiful.

00:19:59.900 It's not exactly the way it used to be.

00:20:02.080 It isn't for any of us.

00:20:03.360 I have passion, no judgment.

00:20:04.300 That's, but that's why most of us don't run around naked.

00:20:06.420 And some of us never did.

00:20:08.660 She's wearing some sort of concoction.

00:20:11.600 It looks like hard plastic.

00:20:13.380 I read someplace that it was latex, but it looks, I mean, if you knocked on it, it would

00:20:16.940 make a hard noise, like you were knocking on a McDonald's arch, which is what it reminds

00:20:21.000 me of.

00:20:22.040 She can barely walk in her seven inch heels.

00:20:24.620 She looks large.

00:20:26.680 It makes her look large.

00:20:28.320 Her rear end looks enormous.

00:20:30.320 And the tweet from, was it Variety?

00:20:33.720 Was like Heidi Klum certainly knows how to make a statement on the red carpet.

00:20:38.840 And my response was, is it, I look ridiculous?

00:20:42.780 Because that's all I can think when I look at this absurd, desperate grasp for attention,

00:20:49.960 Jesse.

00:20:51.220 There comes a time in life where you got to grow up, right, Megan?

00:20:54.460 I mean, even look, okay, you're Heidi Klum.

00:20:57.020 In fact, I was talking to my wife about this this morning.

00:20:59.560 She says, hi, by the way, you know how much she loves you.

00:21:01.700 I was talking to about this this morning and she was honestly so disappointed.

00:21:07.340 She's not big on pop culture stuff, but she's of course saw the Heidi Klum stuff.

00:21:10.820 And she said, she's got to be in her fifties.

00:21:14.540 You should be, you're Heidi Klum.

00:21:16.500 You're already a legend.

00:21:17.600 You already have more money than God.

00:21:19.520 You should be in a classy, beautiful dress because you're Heidi Klum.

00:21:24.360 You're beautiful.

00:21:25.220 You don't have to do that anymore.

00:21:27.940 Why are you still doing that?

00:21:30.040 I understand you're some 22 year old starlet trying to get noticed.

00:21:34.500 So you make sure you have to get as naked as humanly possible on the red carpet.

00:21:38.860 I understand that.

00:21:40.400 Not, not, not, not that I'm encouraging it, but I totally understand that.

00:21:44.700 But you're Heidi Klum.

00:21:46.140 Your bank account probably is in excess of a hundred million dollars with all the money

00:21:50.480 models make these days.

00:21:52.680 What are you doing?

00:21:54.040 Doesn't there be, doesn't there, don't you get to a place in life where you just kind

00:21:58.480 of want a nice, quiet glass of wine on a beach where you show up at these events and you want

00:22:04.020 to, uh, you want to have a classy dress on and you want to possibly be somebody for other young

00:22:09.320 women to look up to instead of being 60, trying to be 20 again.

00:22:14.540 It's all insanely sad.

00:22:16.560 And you brought up, uh, Billie Eilish earlier about how depressed she is.

00:22:20.620 That is one thing I hope everybody watching and listening understands is that wherever you're at in

00:22:25.260 life, I know you don't have as much money as these people do.

00:22:27.600 Believe me, I do not either.

00:22:29.300 You're probably almost undoubtedly happier and more content than all of them.

00:22:33.420 They all showed up in limos, five-star hotels.

00:22:36.480 They all took private jets there with supermodels and the St.

00:22:40.400 Bart's and the everything else.

00:22:41.760 And it seems like their lives are perfect.

00:22:43.740 These people hate themselves and they hate their lives.

00:22:47.100 None of these people are happy and content.

00:22:49.180 They're all miserable human beings.

00:22:51.140 And part of me, and maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, Megan, part of me feels bad for them.

00:22:57.060 Yeah, no, I do too.

00:22:58.500 Because you know, they're not going home to like a spouse who loves them and kids who are

00:23:01.840 awesome and like a normal life with good friends who genuinely like them and aren't just after

00:23:06.520 their weird celeb connection.

00:23:09.720 Um, that it wasn't just them there, by the way, Heidi Klum, she's, she's giving off JLo

00:23:14.900 vibes now.

00:23:15.460 We're like, and Holly Berry, those are three women who are now in their fifties who are

00:23:21.060 desperate to hold onto their sex kitten status.

00:23:25.280 And it's, it's like, if they wouldn't do that, people would just be saying, my God, you still

00:23:30.320 have it all, you look amazing for your age or not even with that qualifier.

00:23:34.020 You look amazing.

00:23:35.200 You look hot and sexy.

00:23:37.100 I don't know how you do it, but because they've got to actually show boob, I'm telling you,

00:23:42.260 just Google Heidi Klum.

00:23:43.240 You can see her naked whenever you want.

00:23:45.080 She's, there were tons of pictures of her monthly on the, on the beach in St.

00:23:48.040 Barts.

00:23:48.840 JLo, she does it on stage with her little dental floss thong and so on.

00:23:53.040 Uh, and Holly Berry is desperate to prove that she's a sexual being ever since, um, somebody

00:23:58.440 alleged that she sucks in bed.

00:23:59.940 Uh, okay.

00:24:00.700 So anyway, instead they overcompensate and they've got to show you way too much.

00:24:05.820 They stink of desperation.

00:24:07.860 That's the thing.

00:24:08.720 They stink of desperation and I can smell it from here.

00:24:11.960 All right.

00:24:12.860 Let's keep going because the most absurd outfit last night and person was somebody who goes

00:24:18.760 by Chapel Roan, her real name is Kaylee M. Studs.

00:24:23.360 She's 27 and this is absurd.

00:24:26.240 So for listening audience, you probably saw pictures of it online.

00:24:28.680 You couldn't avoid it this morning.

00:24:30.200 She's got this like wine, burgundy wine covered dress on instead of the two like tops of it,

00:24:37.680 like the two top pieces that would normally like be on your shoulders.

00:24:40.100 They're connected to her nipple rings, which are apparently also a prosthetic.

00:24:44.620 But what you see is like what looks like boobs with prominent nipples with nipple rings,

00:24:50.360 which are attaching the top of the dress and not for nothing, but a very, very homely

00:24:56.560 woman on top.

00:24:57.860 I mean like her face, her hair, it's all very, very unattractive.

00:25:03.120 And she too has got, um, some issues.

00:25:07.420 Jessie, she is a lesbian.

00:25:10.260 That's fine.

00:25:11.260 She's been praised for her unapologetic authenticity.

00:25:13.480 And her expression of queerness and femininity in her music and live performances.

00:25:18.660 Yes.

00:25:19.720 And here's what you need to know about her.

00:25:21.700 She says she had a quote, really depressed childhood and she wasn't diagnosed as bipolar

00:25:28.820 until five years ago when she was 22.

00:25:33.300 So I think we could have known a lot of that without really any words, just the dress and

00:25:39.560 the decision making behind it.

00:25:41.340 Wow.

00:25:41.680 Thoughts?

00:25:42.160 I got to tell you, Megan, I'm, I'm stunned to hear that she didn't have the best childhood.

00:25:46.200 As soon as I saw that dress, I said to myself, that's a girl who comes from a really solid

00:25:51.480 family home with a mother and father who loved her, probably had her in church on Sunday.

00:25:56.720 It's, it's sad.

00:25:58.860 It's sad.

00:26:00.240 And again, I know I'm sounding like an old fuddy duddy.

00:26:03.860 I swear I'm only 44 years old, but because there's so much of this now and because everything's

00:26:10.340 naked all the time now, if you want to stand out, you can't get any more naked than the next 10

00:26:16.360 naked chicks who walk down the red carpet.

00:26:18.620 If you really want to stand out, put on a classy dress.

00:26:21.880 If you put on a classy dress, that's what stands out.

00:26:25.180 That's what's the most totally subversive.

00:26:27.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:29.340 Ying when they yang, zig when they zag.

00:26:32.120 Everybody's seen your boobs by now.

00:26:34.040 Everybody has.

00:26:35.060 It's fine.

00:26:35.680 Wonderful.

00:26:36.240 Sounds good.

00:26:37.240 But if you actually put on a classy dress, again, I'm not trying to sound like old fogey

00:26:42.620 Jesse.

00:26:43.080 That's the kind of thing that would make my head turn.

00:26:45.280 Oh, look at that.

00:26:46.560 A classy dress.

00:26:47.340 I bet she can actually carry on a conversation.

00:26:51.420 We could probably talk.

00:26:53.160 It would be amazing.

00:26:54.560 But you see that and you think to yourself, yeah, trash.

00:26:58.100 A lot of trash out there.

00:26:59.520 Moving on.

00:27:00.560 Moving on.

00:27:01.480 Here's the Babylon Bee tweeted out today.

00:27:03.700 In edgy Grammys performance, fully clothed woman sings beautiful song.

00:27:10.580 To your point, that's exactly it.

00:27:12.700 I've got one more and her name is Andrea Ecaveri.

00:27:18.540 Never heard of her, but she's the lead singer of a group called Adder Sipilatos, a rock band

00:27:24.260 from Colombia.

00:27:25.400 Don't know who she is, but she was wearing a multicolored velvet jester costume made entirely

00:27:32.680 out of nipples.

00:27:33.540 That's her in the middle.

00:27:43.520 Free the nip has gone next stage.

00:27:46.700 Oh, wait.

00:27:47.120 And actually, I do have one more past her.

00:27:49.380 And that's this Addison Rae.

00:27:51.240 Now, she's big on TikTok.

00:27:52.680 She was nominated for Best New Artist.

00:27:55.040 And let me tell you the last time we heard publicly from Miss Addison Rae before I showed,

00:27:58.440 well, here's her picture.

00:27:59.540 You can see her ass.

00:28:00.640 So she's got this long, very weird white dress on.

00:28:03.660 In the front, it looks very 1990s asymmetric.

00:28:06.600 She got slammed as one of the worst dressed.

00:28:08.300 Agreed.

00:28:09.060 And in the back, it's less than a miniskirt.

00:28:12.060 It's like it's showing her ass.

00:28:13.940 And in this picture we're showing here, she's bending forward like hands on the knees like

00:28:17.180 a cheerleader and showing everybody the ass.

00:28:19.700 So it's not even like, oh, you saw a little hint of my ass.

00:28:23.340 It's here's my ass.

00:28:24.780 Everyone, here's my ass.

00:28:26.160 Look at it.

00:28:26.580 Now, the last we heard from her publicly was last year, 2025, in People Magazine, Jessie,

00:28:33.300 where she discussed stepping back from social media because she, quote, felt so misunderstood

00:28:39.000 after, quote, sharing so much of herself online and had come to, quote, really value her privacy,

00:28:47.140 noting that privacy becomes really important over time.

00:28:53.060 I guess over like just like two months because 2025 wasn't that long ago and she doesn't seem

00:29:02.040 like somebody who wants privacy at all.

00:29:05.480 You know what I think about sometimes, Megan?

00:29:07.400 When I go to a public restroom, I think to myself, you know, you know, the cleaning lady comes

00:29:12.680 in and she cleans the toilet, right?

00:29:14.120 And they mop the floors.

00:29:15.540 Do they actually clean the door handle, right?

00:29:17.880 Do they clean the handles on the faucet of the sink?

00:29:22.720 Do they clean the chairs at the Grammys?

00:29:25.420 Because, you know, I mean, obviously it's going to be in a fancy place.

00:29:29.080 Just hear me out here.

00:29:30.360 They're going to vacuum the floors.

00:29:31.720 And of course, they're going to put on new tablecloths and things like that.

00:29:34.260 And I know everything's going to be polished, but that chair has to be disinfected.

00:29:38.940 There's no question it has to be disinfected.

00:29:40.880 That's a good point.

00:29:41.080 Are you 100% sure that that chair has been disinfected?

00:29:45.220 What does it smell like after she's gone?

00:29:47.580 I think about these things sometimes.

00:29:49.680 And it's grossest me.

00:29:50.660 It's true.

00:29:50.920 And God only knows what was, you know, we don't know her sexual proclivities.

00:29:56.480 I mean, we don't know what's going on there.

00:29:57.760 But yeah, no one wants to sit there when she was just there, underwear only, separating her

00:30:02.020 hoochie from the seat.

00:30:04.260 You raised some good, good questions.

00:30:06.180 There are some occasions to travel with the Purell.

00:30:09.780 No.

00:30:10.100 Oh, oh, you know what?

00:30:11.940 I'm going to become a germaphobe if we keep talking about this.

00:30:14.420 We have to change the subject.

00:30:16.500 Okay.

00:30:16.960 I would be remiss if I did not do a little Bad Bunny.

00:30:20.080 Bad Bunny is going to be the Super Bowl halftime show.

00:30:25.740 And he, of course, got lots of snaps for ripping on, you guessed it, ice, sat six.

00:30:33.480 Before I say thanks to God, I'm going to say ice out.

00:30:42.900 We're not savage.

00:30:47.360 We're not animals.

00:30:48.800 We're not aliens.

00:30:50.520 We are humans.

00:30:51.680 And we are Americans.

00:30:54.900 The hate gets more powerful with more hate.

00:30:59.560 The only thing that is more powerful than hate is love.

00:31:03.960 I mean, he's actually trying to pawn that off like it's clever, like it's some sort of

00:31:13.140 profundity.

00:31:14.340 He's against ice.

00:31:16.480 I mean, I feel like we might want to send ice down to his compound.

00:31:19.160 He's worth $100 million, reportedly.

00:31:24.280 And let's see.

00:31:25.720 He won three Grammys on Sunday, including Album of the Year, the first Spanish-language album to win.

00:31:32.520 I'm sure it was totally organic and worthy of it.

00:31:37.660 And there was absolutely no coordination between the Grammys and the NFL, where he's going to be doing the halftime show.

00:31:44.360 He's going to make history as the first Spanish-language Latin solo artist, just to headline that Super Bowl halftime show next weekend.

00:31:52.840 He will also be the first reggaeton artist to do so.

00:31:59.340 And that's the only thing really interesting about Bad Bunny.

00:32:04.100 He wanted to make sure everybody there knew that he hated ice.

00:32:09.780 And, oh, wait, there's one more.

00:32:13.080 Wait.

00:32:14.360 Bon Iver.

00:32:16.060 Who is that?

00:32:16.980 Do you know who Bon Iver is?

00:32:18.400 No idea.

00:32:18.940 Never heard of that person in my life.

00:32:20.240 Oh, it's Bon Iver.

00:32:21.620 Bon Iver.

00:32:23.380 See, it's classier if you pronounce it the French way.

00:32:27.220 Bon Iver.

00:32:28.460 So Bon Iver had the following to say.

00:32:31.140 Stop for.

00:32:32.400 I want to ask about the whistle.

00:32:33.540 Obviously, it's very prominent.

00:32:34.720 What does it stand for?

00:32:36.360 It's to honor the observers in Minneapolis.

00:32:39.100 You know, they blow the whistles when they see ice come in and they're there to protect their community.

00:32:43.700 And they've been doing it for weeks and 30 below.

00:32:45.820 And I think that kind of work, it's really great to stop here and to celebrate music and talk about the power of music and to recognize each other.

00:32:54.680 But I think the real work is in the streets of Minneapolis right now.

00:32:59.700 And I'm here to honor them as well.

00:33:01.280 All right, so we got the hundred millionaire who doesn't want immigration enforcement and we got this guy, Bon, with his little whistle on his lapel, Jesse.

00:33:13.320 At a place, we should probably point out, Megan, it's an obvious point, but at a place that is surrounded by more security than anybody has ever seen in their lifetime, they don't want the deportation force of America to remove the child rapists and serial killers from our communities.

00:33:32.620 They believe those people should stay there, and yet they live their entire lives surrounded by security.

00:33:39.780 If these people ever walk into a Red Lobster, they do so surrounded by security guards.

00:33:45.200 If you try to approach them, some gigantic beast is going to pound your head through the table or even attempting to talk to them.

00:33:52.380 And yet normal Americans who have to live in communities with these animals from all over the planet, we have people with long criminal records from all over the planet who come here, they hide in blue areas.

00:34:05.020 And normal Americans who don't want to be raped, they don't want to be murdered, they don't want to be robbed, they don't want their taxpayer money being swindled by the Quality Leering Center in Minneapolis.

00:34:16.440 None of these people actually care about any normal people at all.

00:34:19.980 It's all one gigantic virtue signal with your stupid whistles and your out-ice or whatever the stupid pins were and the rest of it.

00:34:29.460 And you know who should actually be ashamed, honestly, Megan, is the NFL.

00:34:33.180 But you know what? I take that back. That's probably the wrong way to put that.

00:34:36.780 You know who should be ashamed? The people who can't walk away from it.

00:34:40.020 And I understand the NFL's most popular thing in the world. I totally get all that.

00:34:44.180 I'm really genuinely not judging.

00:34:45.880 But if you are going to watch the halftime show with that filthy communist spewing all that crap out there, allegedly in a dress, I would have to question you, to be honest, at this point in time.

00:34:57.360 Yes.

00:34:57.580 How many times are you going to let the NFL hawk back and spit a big old fat loogie right in your face before you finally stop being treated this way?

00:35:06.400 The NFL does this stuff because they can get away with this stuff, because they know no matter what they do, Black Lives Matter, this, and Celebrate Rapist, that, and Bad Bunny, this, that nobody could ever turn the game off for more than 35 seconds.

00:35:21.140 And it really drives me crazy at this point in time. It drives me nuts.

00:35:24.820 But, you know, I was about to criticize the NFL. I take that back.

00:35:27.880 If you can't turn the channel off at this point in time, honestly, that's on you.

00:35:31.560 That's right. It is on you. I know Turning Point is organizing its own alternative halftime show.

00:35:38.660 When we get the details of that specifically, we'll bring it to you.

00:35:41.460 But, yeah, you should not watch the Super Bowl halftime show unless you want to support that guy and his messaging.

00:35:46.580 And even if you want to watch the Super Bowl, you turn it off during the halftime.

00:35:49.440 Trust me, when I was in cable news, we would get the minute by minutes.

00:35:52.580 You'd be able to tell segment by segment what people watched and what they didn't watch.

00:35:56.620 And if you turn it off when they get to that halftime show, it will send the NFL a message that you do not support people who do not support our law enforcement officers, including ICE.

00:36:08.340 On the subject of, you know, ICE and the ridiculous, you know, the whistle on the lapel as some sort of statement, there was this that hit Twitter today.

00:36:18.320 In Minnesota, a bunch of I mean, they look like theater kids.

00:36:23.540 Somebody tweeted it out. I thought it was very clever, saying I'm I'm I'm going to have to call for the deportation of all theater kids again, which I have a theater kid.

00:36:31.840 So it's tongue in cheek. But it is absurd what they're doing.

00:36:35.720 They actually filmed a video of themselves raising the Minnesota, the Minnesota state flag in the model of Iwo Jima.

00:36:46.160 They went out there and and like raise the flag.

00:36:50.200 It kind of looks like the Somali flag, but it's the Minnesota flag.

00:36:53.120 Is it a video that we have you guys that will show up? No, it's a shot. Yeah, it's a shot.

00:36:55.940 Let's watch it. Nineteen a.

00:36:57.020 Oh, it's post exactly like Iwo Jima.

00:37:04.340 And they put this music on.

00:37:10.560 It's amazing.

00:37:12.360 OK, this is posted by Anton Truer, who is an Ojibwe author, professor and public speaker whose work focuses on indigenous language revitalization, education and cultural understanding.

00:37:23.980 A descendant of the Leech Lake and White Earth bands of Ojibwe.

00:37:28.780 He's written more than 20 books on Native American history and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, desperate for attention.

00:37:34.960 The Battle of Iwo Jima was one of the bloodiest in the war.

00:37:39.580 It took place in Japan and our Marines were the ones who raised that flag after having arrived.

00:37:46.700 It wasn't exactly like Omaha Beach.

00:37:48.620 It was like an ash covered beach because it was at the foot of a volcano and there was no place to hide.

00:37:55.060 There was no cover.

00:37:55.940 The Japanese never surrender.

00:37:57.720 And after this incredibly bloody battle involving some 70,000 of our troops, we won and raised our flag via our Marines.

00:38:05.700 And now these idiot know-nothings want to raise the Minnesota state flag as though they're Marines protecting the country again against fascism.

00:38:19.300 Yes, that was Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima.

00:38:23.280 That vote.

00:38:23.480 There we go.

00:38:23.980 You know, everybody should know.

00:38:24.980 And I know this because when I went through Marine Corps boot camp, they made us learn every single inch of that battle.

00:38:31.380 It's one of the great moments in Marine Corps history.

00:38:33.260 Not that I'm a huge homer at all or anything like that, Megan, when it comes to my beloved Corps.

00:38:37.800 But that aside, these people do tell people they're fighting a war.

00:38:44.200 And they say it often enough that the people in this country, the hardcore leftists in this country, they believe that.

00:38:50.620 And for normal human beings or hardcore right-wingers like me, that's ridiculous.

00:38:55.540 And it's you roll your eyes and stuff like that.

00:38:58.020 But Nazi Hitler, Nazi Hitler, Nazi Hitler, fascism over and over and over and over and over again does program the easily programmable.

00:39:07.260 And that's why they do this stuff.

00:39:08.820 And that's why you see people like Alex Preddy and Renee Good going out in the streets and doing the most bonkers thing, stuff that will obviously get you either hurt or killed.

00:39:21.100 And we ask ourselves, we sit back and wonder, how could you do that?

00:39:24.260 Why would you do that?

00:39:25.320 Of course that's going to end up badly.

00:39:27.420 But again, for the easily programmable, Democrat politicians and scumbags in the media over and over and over again telling them they're fighting Nazis, telling them they're fighting Hitler, it leads to action.

00:39:40.860 Language leads to mindset and mindset leads to performance.

00:39:44.700 And so you tell these people this over and over and over again, eventually they stop scrolling on TikTok and they freak out and they throw their phone down and they get in a car.

00:39:53.280 And then gas the engine and slam it into an ICE agent and soon you're dead.

00:39:58.920 Your girlfriend doesn't have you anymore to beat up on.

00:40:02.220 And now everyone's wondering, how could they do this?

00:40:04.600 Well, this happens when you get programmed with this ridiculousness over and over and over again.

00:40:10.000 They do all this stupid theater kid stuff.

00:40:12.380 Those were your words, not mine, Megan, by the way, but you're so right.

00:40:15.120 They do all this stupid theater kid stuff because it's effective on some people.

00:40:20.260 And for normal people with jobs and lives and things like that, it's ridiculous.

00:40:24.740 But the foot soldiers who go out and march in the streets and blow their stupid whistles and do things to get themselves hurt, they don't have lives.

00:40:31.840 This is their life.

00:40:32.940 This is their struggle.

00:40:34.200 What you've given them is meaning.

00:40:35.740 You've given them something, a higher cause.

00:40:38.180 Everyone wants to serve a higher cause.

00:40:39.980 And if you're sitting at home, you're broken, you're soulless, you're drug-addled, you're on your 10th Xanax of the day, and you watch your 18,000th TikTok video telling you Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler, you might just march out thinking it's Mount Suribachi.

00:40:54.900 You might.

00:40:55.840 They go out and they do this, and there are real consequences to it.

00:40:59.900 And in a word, in defense of actual theater kids, they're kids, and they're in school, and they're doing what they should do, which is extracurricular activities.

00:41:09.280 These losers are adults who are cosplaying being teenagers for whom it is appropriate, and these adults for whom it is not are making fools of themselves.

00:41:19.200 And speaking of that, Don Lemon.

00:41:23.040 So he showed up.

00:41:25.720 I know.

00:41:26.380 Sorry.

00:41:26.740 This has just been like abuse of you this hour, Jesse.

00:41:29.040 It's very wrong of me.

00:41:30.880 He showed up in court the other day to see whether he'd have bail or not.

00:41:35.400 He's in his little light cream suit with his light cream shirt collarless underneath it.

00:41:42.060 He walks in.

00:41:43.080 The mayor of L.A. is there, Karen Bass, waiting for him.

00:41:46.320 She showed up.

00:41:47.940 Solidarity.

00:41:49.200 He reportedly blew her a kiss.

00:41:52.340 She reportedly winked at him, his big supporter.

00:41:56.740 He did not have to pay any bail.

00:42:00.600 He didn't have to enter a plea yet.

00:42:03.200 The prosecution wanted his travel limited to Minneapolis and New York, where he lives.

00:42:09.820 The judge said absolutely not.

00:42:12.440 No limitations whatsoever.

00:42:13.800 Does not have to surrender his passport because he has a pre-existing trip that he takes every year, Jesse, to France.

00:42:21.180 And he doesn't want to miss his annual vacation.

00:42:24.940 So he's allowed to go to Paris, France in his white suit, maybe with his BFF, Karen, and the other Karen to whom he's married, which is a white man, which is shocking because he really fucking hates white men, except for this one.

00:42:38.840 And getting treated just like any other felon, any other accused felon, Jesse, I'm sure would have gotten the same thing.

00:42:48.160 And not to mention black man, right?

00:42:51.480 Black men in America.

00:42:52.580 Aren't we told by the Don Lemons of the world they can't catch a fair shake, that the system's stacked, this is why we need to abolish prisons?

00:42:58.760 Seems pretty good to be a black man named Don Lemon in the system's care.

00:43:02.560 And Don Lemon is very much enjoying his two minutes of relevance and talking reflectively about what it is that makes him so special.

00:43:14.480 Here he is from his own Friday night show in SOT 12.

00:43:18.680 We were always taught when I worked in corporate media that the news is a star.

00:43:22.660 That's bullshit.

00:43:23.400 If the news was a star, everybody would have the same ratings.

00:43:26.080 And everybody doesn't have the same ratings.

00:43:28.620 The journalists are the stars.

00:43:30.260 The people who are delivering the news, those are the stars.

00:43:33.220 And the people who do it well, do well, they get the ratings and they get the respect.

00:43:37.300 So it is an actually having come from that.

00:43:39.680 And now I understand that what my star quality is, that is being honest and authentic and telling the truth.

00:43:48.380 He's wearing a shirt like he always does.

00:43:51.400 This is something about himself.

00:43:52.500 Lemon live, lemon head, whatever.

00:43:55.940 That's what makes him special.

00:43:57.940 His star qualities are honesty and authenticity, Jesse, which is why he hosted the biggest loser of a show on CNN for years.

00:44:09.120 The only reason they kept him is because, as he reminded them, he was black and gay.

00:44:12.400 His ratings always sucked.

00:44:14.920 Trust me, I was there.

00:44:16.540 We had about 20 times his numbers over on Fox.

00:44:20.580 And that's in the 10 o'clock hour, which is not as prestigious or competitive as the 9 o'clock hour or the 8 o'clock hour.

00:44:26.900 He was already relegated to 10.

00:44:28.740 He could not bring it home.

00:44:29.920 He always sucked.

00:44:30.920 It was middling at best.

00:44:32.260 But now he wants you to know he was a star who drove the news thanks to not just his authenticity, but his honesty, Jesse Kelly, his honesty.

00:44:41.100 Well, he's getting famous with no talent.

00:44:44.000 And, Megan, you obviously have a much more illustrious TV career than I could ever have.

00:44:48.720 But I will tell people this about television because they may not know this.

00:44:52.740 The Megyn Kelly show has to be good every five minutes, every 10 minutes.

00:44:56.180 You know, you have to be good the whole show.

00:44:58.080 You can't punt on any part of it.

00:45:00.540 Not that you can punt on television, but in television, A block, the opening of the show,

00:45:05.480 Your monologue is by far the most important part, and I mean by a mile the most important part.

00:45:11.240 That's why any news show you watch, generally, if the host is any good, they will monologue in the A block.

00:45:16.980 The biggest indictment of Don Lemon's talent or lack thereof is Don Lemon used to have Chris Cuomo stay over after his show to do the monologue with him.

00:45:29.300 That may mean nothing to someone who doesn't understand television.

00:45:32.700 I am telling you right now that is essentially giving your television host a handicap sticker because they cannot do the most important thing they have to do.

00:45:43.480 That is how talentless and lost Don Lemon is.

00:45:46.500 He hung on as long as he possibly could.

00:45:48.620 As you said, because he's black and gay, that's two critically important boxes you have to check if you're a company like CNN.

00:45:55.280 And now he finally gets arrested and he gets to play the martyr.

00:45:58.100 And, of course, some kooky commie judge is going to let him go off to France where he can blow kisses at everybody, and nobody's surprised that Don Lemon is into light cream.

00:46:07.500 Either way, Don Lemon's going to get out of this whole thing scot-free.

00:46:11.680 The only good news with this whole thing is it's going to cost him a million dollars in legal fees, and that in and of itself is something.

00:46:19.540 I don't want to blackpill everybody.

00:46:20.960 Yes, he's probably going to end up skating on the whole thing, but a million dollars is not chump change.

00:46:26.660 And having to go to court, having to go through trial, having to know there's a possibility that you need soap on the rope for the next five years is enough mental anguish to punish him at least in some way.

00:46:39.280 So it's something.

00:46:40.820 It's not nothing.

00:46:41.720 I'm glad we went out and arrested him because just because you have a TV camera doesn't mean you get to engage in acts of terrorism against people worshiping Jesus.

00:46:49.620 But maybe we should all be happy, Don Lemon, finally with the church.

00:46:54.080 Yeah, honestly.

00:46:55.100 Yeah, good point.

00:46:56.000 I've been thinking about this because it's absolutely the case that the arrest has made him more relevant than he's ever been.

00:47:03.360 I mean, that's not saying much.

00:47:05.000 He was never relevant, but at least to put him in the news in a way that's, I'm sure, exciting for Don.

00:47:10.920 But that's not the point because people say, oh, it's just going to, like, make him a martyr.

00:47:14.640 That's not the point.

00:47:15.720 He broke the law.

00:47:16.720 He committed multiple felonies.

00:47:19.420 And why shouldn't he be held to account?

00:47:21.380 Why do old ladies who show up at abortion clinics to pray have to go through this process and get charged with felonies by Joe Biden and get sentenced to three years in prison?

00:47:33.360 And then when Don Lemon violates Part B of the same statute, does he get off just because he had a microphone with him?

00:47:41.420 It's no.

00:47:42.780 There are principles.

00:47:44.000 There's the rule of law.

00:47:45.040 And it does apply to everybody.

00:47:46.480 And you cannot have one rule for Nakima, the black lady who led that protest, and a different one for Don Lemon because he had his little microphone on while he was telling people they needed to deal with the trauma.

00:47:59.380 That's all part of it, little boy who's crying.

00:48:02.020 That's all part of it.

00:48:03.660 Sorry.

00:48:04.440 That's not the way the law works.

00:48:05.440 Well, I hate to disagree with you, Megan, but that's not the way the law works in this country anymore.

00:48:12.640 You're right.

00:48:13.260 That's the way the law should work.

00:48:15.040 But you and I both understand there are these little communist-controlled fiefdoms.

00:48:19.680 There are portions of our justice system in this country.

00:48:22.580 There is no law anymore.

00:48:24.340 Depends on which side you are on.

00:48:26.300 How many times have you covered a story about somebody who tried to ram an ICE agent and, boom, Democrat jury lets him off scot-free?

00:48:34.600 Why are all those wonderful pro-lifers sitting in prison?

00:48:37.400 Because they got sent into a communist-controlled justice system where all you had to do was show that you were pro-life and your butt's going to federal prison for five to ten years.

00:48:46.220 Whereas a communist who walks into a system like that is never going to get arrested for anything.

00:48:51.160 They're certainly never going to go to prison for anything.

00:48:53.240 If there's videotape of them doing what they did, they're never going to go to prison.

00:48:57.540 I want to live in a country where there's one law for everybody.

00:49:01.140 That's the kind of country we used to have.

00:49:03.600 But because communists believe in using power to aid their friends and punish their enemies, there are portions of this country where that simply does not exist.

00:49:13.320 We have judges in Wisconsin helping illegals escape out the courtroom so they don't get deported.

00:49:18.740 We have Daniel Penny in New York City where they tried to send him to prison for protecting people.

00:49:24.880 All this was done on camera, by the way.

00:49:26.880 Kyle Rittenhouse would be in prison for the rest of his natural life if every single time Dick and Harry didn't have a cell phone and record what actually happened.

00:49:35.120 We do not have one law for everybody in this country.

00:49:39.100 I wish to God we did, but that's not the world in which we live.

00:49:42.740 And if you live in a blue area, I highly suggest you mind your P's and Q's because this has gone all the way down to the cops, the DA's, the city council, the mayor, the judges.

00:49:53.480 You've got no friends left.

00:49:56.100 Last one.

00:49:56.960 Jemele Hill, the other night on CNN.

00:49:59.500 Listen to this on The Lemon Case.

00:50:00.860 We need to remind ourselves of the racial element of this.

00:50:07.440 There is a reason why I think Don, a reason why Donald Trump not only picked independent journalists, but black journalists in particular.

00:50:14.540 Clearly we know there's no love lost between Don Lemon and Donald Trump, that he's been very critical of the president.

00:50:21.180 The president, they've gone back and forth.

00:50:23.200 But if we go back and undo all the layers of all of this, it was black journalists that were really at the forefront of calling Donald Trump out from the birtherism movement throughout a lot of the things that they saw early before the rest of the press really picked up on some of the things that concerned a lot of black journalists.

00:50:43.720 OK, so it's we're going after Don because he's black, Jesse.

00:50:47.720 I almost forgot that it was Black History Month and you can just invent black history now in the United States of America, like black journalists were the only ones calling out Donald Trump.

00:50:56.740 Look, Jemele Hill is like if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

00:51:02.080 She's been doing this throughout her sports career, through her fake journalist career.

00:51:05.680 Everything's racism.

00:51:06.660 Black people are always oppressed.

00:51:08.300 Everyone's freaking tired of hearing about the whole daggone thing.

00:51:11.560 She's got about four or five years left and then finally she'll fade away and we don't have to deal with this crap anymore.

00:51:17.720 And that, too, will be due to white supremacy.

00:51:19.660 Of course.

00:51:20.120 Jesse Kelly's Little Red Book is available at jessekelly.com.

00:51:25.260 Check it out.

00:51:25.820 You get more of his brand of wisdom, which we love.

00:51:28.960 Thank you, my friend.

00:51:29.960 Appreciate you as always.

00:51:30.960 Love you, man.

00:51:31.420 Up next, Jonathan Turley.

00:51:33.120 Love you, too, my friend.

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00:53:44.620 2026 has been a big year for legal stories here on the MK Show.

00:53:48.020 Earlier this month, we went to the Supreme Court and heard oral arguments on keeping boys out of girls' sports in schools.

00:53:54.100 We're very optimistic that the country will get a win there.

00:53:57.240 There's Don Lemon's indictment, plus new arrests in that case today of the church protesters, those who disrupted the service as it went on, that Lemon joined in.

00:54:07.760 Today, we have the perfect guest for all of it, and his name is Jonathan Turley, former colleague of mine at Fox News.

00:54:13.040 He's a George Washington law professor and the best-selling author of The Indispensable Right.

00:54:19.240 And now, he has a new book out.

00:54:21.340 It comes out tomorrow, and it's called Rage and the Republic, The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.

00:54:28.040 Go and preorder it right now.

00:54:30.320 It is out in time for the 250th.

00:54:33.720 Professor Jonathan Turley, great to see you again.

00:54:36.680 How are you?

00:54:37.160 Great to see you, Megan.

00:54:37.780 Great to see you indeed.

00:54:39.660 Congrats on the book.

00:54:40.560 All right, so give us the nutshell version of what it's about and why now.

00:54:43.580 You know, the book actually looks at the founding and the future of the American Republic.

00:54:50.940 The first half looks back at how we created this unique republic that became the most successful and most stable and the oldest democracy in history.

00:55:01.440 In looking at that, it explores both the American and French revolutions to explain why one became a stable democracy and one became the reign of terror.

00:55:12.860 And the second half of the book looks forward and says, what can we learn from that experience to deal with some of the challenges that are unfolding in the 21st century?

00:55:22.820 And they are immense, everything from robotics to AI to global governance.

00:55:28.780 These are things that are going to present challenges of a size we have not encountered before.

00:55:34.340 But what we are seeing is a sort of crisis of faith on the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.

00:55:43.020 You have law professors and pundits and politicians suggesting that the Constitution is a failure, that we should scrap it.

00:55:51.180 And that is something that we've heard before.

00:55:54.580 And so this book looks at a simple question that a Frenchman asked in a very popular book in the 1700s.

00:56:02.580 He simply asked, who then is this American?

00:56:07.340 You know, when we were founded, people were fascinated by this new group of human beings called Americans.

00:56:16.800 And we're going to have to try to answer that question of who we were then and who we are now if we're going to face what's coming.

00:56:24.920 I mean, I'm actually in the middle of a Ben Franklin biography, the one by Isaacson, and it's really good.

00:56:33.080 And it has me asking all the time, God, what would he think if he could see the nation now?

00:56:37.820 You know, he was a Puritan.

00:56:39.840 He wasn't really into it, but he was part of that tradition.

00:56:44.060 And, you know, you forget about how puritanical we were and how that word has become universally referred to as negative because they were so judgmental.

00:56:51.980 He wasn't.

00:56:52.580 He was much more relaxed.

00:56:53.420 But just you look around the country today, we just finished with the Grammys where everybody's half naked with their body completely exposed and the way they behave up there and calling for us to allow all the immigrants in because, no, you can't have an illegal on a land that is stolen.

00:57:09.840 Like, I just think these founders, and you write a lot about James Madison in the book, wouldn't believe their eyes or ears.

00:57:17.300 And I think, quite frankly, they'd be horrified.

00:57:19.100 Well, Megan, I'm so glad that you raised Benjamin Franklin, who plays a big role in the book.

00:57:24.540 The book actually explores much of this history through the eyes of Thomas Paine, who was one of only two figures that played a great role in both the American and French revolutions, the other being Lafayette.

00:57:37.620 But it really looks at Paine, who may be the quintessential American.

00:57:42.540 You know, he arrived on these shores, a human wreck.

00:57:46.440 He had to be carried off the ship.

00:57:48.660 He had failed in everything he had ever tried in his life, from marriages to being fired at every job.

00:57:54.460 And yet, he arrived two years before the Declaration of Independence, and within two years, he was called the penman of the revolution.

00:58:03.520 There was only one person who saw anything in that mound of wreckage, and that was a man he ran into in London, Benjamin Franklin.

00:58:14.440 And he looked at this penniless, the individual was called a drunkard, he was unkept, he was a total failure.

00:58:24.540 And Benjamin Franklin saw something in him and sent him to the United States to write.

00:58:30.160 And he ended up writing the first bestseller, Common Sense, that was credited by many with being the spark that caused the American Revolution.

00:58:40.600 Even his critics, by the way, John Adams, who didn't like Paine, sort of jealous of Paine, because he was a newcomer, admitted to his wife that in the first meeting with Paine, there was a recollection that there was this odd writer that had, quote, genius in his eyes.

00:58:57.880 And I think that's what Benjamin Franklin saw in London.

00:59:02.020 Hmm.

00:59:02.740 Yeah, Paine, who, like, people were kind of talking about revolution, but not taking it seriously.

00:59:07.120 And then he wrote Common Sense, and that thing caught fire and gave real voice to it in a way that would be critical to the actualization of us leaving and declaring ourselves an independent nation and throwing off the reins of the king.

00:59:21.120 So what do you, like, what do you think, Jonathan?

00:59:23.980 Because when I look around today, more and more I hear people jokingly, but, like, kind of wistfully saying we need to break up all over again.

00:59:32.140 Like, we're so different left and right in this country now.

00:59:35.620 There's really no common ground.

00:59:37.500 We really should be two Americas now.

00:59:39.760 There should be a red America and a blue America because we can't even understand the other side.

00:59:45.140 We're getting shot and killed by the other side, if you're a conservative.

00:59:49.900 Yeah, the, you know, the book looks at what I call the rise of the new Jacobins.

00:59:55.560 And, you know, the original Jacobins were much like those today.

00:59:59.340 They were not the proletariat.

01:00:00.140 They were the aristocrats.

01:00:03.540 They were...

01:00:04.340 But explain who they were.

01:00:05.700 The French Revolution was led by the Jacobins who created the terror.

01:00:11.180 And these were professors, and they were low-level aristocrats, and they were journalists.

01:00:17.960 And they unleashed the terror, guillotining people left and right.

01:00:23.400 Thousands were put to death.

01:00:24.980 And ultimately, the Jacobins themselves fell victim to their own rage.

01:00:30.960 You know, the book starts with a quote from one of the...

01:00:34.540 You could say he was the Thomas Paine of the French Revolution.

01:00:37.980 And they asked him, you know, what did you do during the revolution?

01:00:43.720 He said, I survived, which was a rare thing.

01:00:46.320 Because, you know, I quote another Frenchman who said that revolution is like Saturn.

01:00:53.100 It devours its own.

01:00:54.300 Well, the French Revolution did devour its own.

01:00:56.740 All of those Jacobins called the mountain were executed.

01:01:00.820 You know, Robespierre, Marat, all of them ended up dying.

01:01:04.940 And the book asks, why?

01:01:07.860 Why did the American Revolution become a stable democracy?

01:01:11.340 And why did this become a bloodletting?

01:01:13.520 Well, I ask that same question with the new Jacobins, who are coming from many of the same

01:01:18.060 class structure.

01:01:19.620 And you have even the dean of Berkeley Law School saying the American Constitution is

01:01:24.540 a failure.

01:01:25.200 One of my colleagues wants to amend the First Amendment because she says it's too aggressively

01:01:29.960 individualistic, which is the point.

01:01:32.680 It is, right?

01:01:33.900 Because one thing the book points out is that we were the Enlightenment revolution.

01:01:39.560 We were the first revolution of the Enlightenment.

01:01:41.860 And it was based on this idea that we deserved, we demanded rights given to us by God, not by

01:01:51.120 the government.

01:01:52.100 These natural rights.

01:01:53.680 No revolution had ever been fought on that basis.

01:01:57.840 It's interesting.

01:01:58.700 Right now, I'm just at the beginning of the book and they're writing about how Franklin worked

01:02:02.660 for his older brother on a newspaper that he started called the, I think, the New England

01:02:07.940 Quran and that that newspaper and his older brother, who Benjamin Franklin did not like,

01:02:14.340 was very much skeptical of government, very much not wanting to be controlled by government,

01:02:21.680 wanted to get those reins off of us.

01:02:24.760 And even though Benjamin Franklin didn't wind up liking this brother who was very tough on

01:02:28.420 him, he appears to have inherited or at least shared that trait with him in a way that would

01:02:33.500 become very important to the way we live our lives, even to this moment.

01:02:37.100 And that I just feel like between the Biden administration for the right and now the Trump

01:02:43.180 administration for the left, I think there's a very strong strain of American that wants a

01:02:49.580 smaller executive and wants less governmental power over our lives.

01:02:55.660 But no matter how much we say that, we seem to go the opposite direction these days.

01:02:59.740 So do you think we'll ever get back to the point where we have a small government and we

01:03:05.040 certainly have a small executive branch with as little power as possible over us?

01:03:11.020 Well, you know, Rage of the Republic addresses that and asks whether we can return to first

01:03:16.400 principles.

01:03:17.100 And one of those principles is that all rights like government should be local, held closest to

01:03:23.560 the people that includes reinforcing federalism and state rights against the national government.

01:03:29.080 It also means opposing global governance systems like the EU, also what I call corporate feudalism,

01:03:36.360 these large corporations that control much of social media.

01:03:40.680 We have to we have to resist these efforts to globalize democracy and then kill democracy.

01:03:47.900 Now, that can actually be done because it's in our DNA.

01:03:52.460 If you look at the founders, they believe strongly in this.

01:03:56.800 One of the things I argue for in the book is that we need to rediscover what I call a liberty

01:04:03.380 enhancing economy.

01:04:04.900 The book is an unabashed case for capitalism, which is also under attack.

01:04:11.360 What many people don't realize is that in 1776, same year as the Declaration of Independence,

01:04:18.180 you had the publication A Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith.

01:04:22.760 Now, it was not a big success in Great Britain, but it was a success here.

01:04:28.540 The founders recognized his economic theory as the perfect companion to their political theory

01:04:35.440 because they believed that you couldn't have true liberty, true independence, unless you

01:04:40.540 had economic independence.

01:04:42.920 So one of the things I address in Rage in the Republic is when we have a combination of

01:04:47.940 robotics and AI, we're looking at a massive loss of jobs.

01:04:52.940 And we also look at the possibility of a large unemployed population.

01:04:58.540 And the book explores what does that do to a citizen's relationship to the state?

01:05:04.960 Because the framers didn't want that.

01:05:07.140 You know, you can't have a kept population without having citizens begin to change their

01:05:13.760 view of the state.

01:05:15.520 And so what the book talks about is how we can preserve a liberty enhancing economy to

01:05:22.560 make sure that people do not develop that dependency or become some types of arts.

01:05:27.700 Well, they are.

01:05:28.820 Right.

01:05:29.500 I mean, we're already seeing that in some pockets, to your point.

01:05:32.200 Again, we're talking with Jonathan Turley.

01:05:34.300 He's a professor at George Washington University, and his new book is Rage and the Republic,

01:05:39.100 The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.

01:05:42.080 It's available starting tomorrow.

01:05:43.640 You can get your book right now on pre-order, Rage and the Republic.

01:05:47.860 Again, speaking of those people who are already leaning into dependence on the government and thinking the

01:05:53.960 government owes them everything, New York City is now being governed by a democratic socialist who

01:06:01.360 seems to be really leaning in on the socialism in a way that's shocking to many of us.

01:06:06.820 It's just shocking that we would elect somebody like that as the mayor of New York.

01:06:09.560 And it was very interesting to see over this past week because not this, not yesterday, but a week earlier,

01:06:14.620 there was a big snowstorm that hit the Northeast, hit most of the country, including the Northeast.

01:06:19.340 It dumped about a foot and a half to two feet of snow around here.

01:06:22.440 And I lived in New York for 14 years.

01:06:25.600 It doesn't, it takes a while to dig out of the storm.

01:06:28.060 It doesn't take eight days.

01:06:29.460 And this was just a taste of what people were seeing.

01:06:33.860 It was not only snows, cars completely snowed in, but it was garbage everywhere.

01:06:39.740 The sanitation's not going well.

01:06:41.400 He's not doing a very good job of running such a large city.

01:06:45.060 And here is actor Michael Rappaport showing some of it on his socials yesterday.

01:06:50.600 Saw 34.

01:06:51.680 Look at this.

01:06:53.380 Look at this.

01:06:54.540 This poor bastard ain't getting out until the spring.

01:06:58.260 Look at this dirt a week after the snowstorm.

01:07:01.480 Look at this dirty sh**hole.

01:07:05.400 Look at this.

01:07:06.480 I don't know what this f*****g guy's going to do.

01:07:09.400 This f*****g guy.

01:07:11.160 Call your insurance company.

01:07:13.380 Look at this.

01:07:14.200 Dirt.

01:07:15.420 Where's the f*****g mayor?

01:07:17.100 Clean this up.

01:07:17.800 Get garbage everywhere.

01:07:19.940 Dirty snow.

01:07:21.880 What do you do with this?

01:07:23.780 Where's your shovel now, Mandami?

01:07:26.000 And this is on the Upper East Side.

01:07:29.240 Three minutes from where the mayor lives.

01:07:31.240 Look at this f*****g guy.

01:07:33.280 Look at this.

01:07:35.080 Look at this.

01:07:36.280 This guy's never getting.

01:07:37.800 Look at this.

01:07:40.600 Look at this.

01:07:42.500 It's the reality of New York City.

01:07:44.540 One month.

01:07:45.320 Where's the salt?

01:07:46.740 Where's the shovel?

01:07:47.700 Where's the f*****g plows?

01:07:49.000 It wasn't just Rappaport.

01:07:52.540 Deborah Messing, the actress, posted on her social media a picture of herself sitting in

01:07:57.220 a taxi, writing, sitting in a taxi trying to get to an appointment should take 20 minutes.

01:08:01.520 We are at an hour and 10 and counting.

01:08:03.400 The streets are a disaster.

01:08:04.920 It hasn't snowed in five days and the streets still haven't been cleared.

01:08:07.960 Poor ambulance sitting in essentially a parking lot with sirens going, praying for the person

01:08:12.220 needing emergency care.

01:08:13.300 I've lived here for 15 years and this has never happened.

01:08:17.100 The plows have always worked around the clock to get the city back to working.

01:08:20.680 I wonder what happened.

01:08:21.860 She's being facetious.

01:08:22.720 She knows what happened.

01:08:23.360 She was a Cuomo supporter.

01:08:24.500 Hang in there, New Yorkers.

01:08:25.560 But this is a pretty good example, Jonathan, of what does happen when you have a know-nothing

01:08:31.360 takeover of a city as large as New York and say, communism is the answer?

01:08:36.460 Well, it is funny because I talk about Mandami in the book because there's a section on the

01:08:43.160 rise of socialism.

01:08:44.560 This is an increase in the polls that is largely driven by young people, not just the United

01:08:50.260 States, but Great Britain and Europe.

01:08:52.700 These are young voters who never knew or have any memory of the collapse of socialist governments

01:08:59.380 in the 20th century.

01:09:01.580 So what they hear are these spokesmen like Mandami talking about introducing them to the

01:09:08.360 warmth of collectivism.

01:09:09.800 They don't have an inkling of how this socialist approach has a perfect failure rate.

01:09:17.960 You know, the book talks about how when Mitharan was selected president of France, you know,

01:09:24.240 he made many of the same statements as Mandami.

01:09:27.080 He even appointed a minister of leisure.

01:09:30.280 So he told the public that they would have a minister who would help them with all the

01:09:33.700 leisure time that they would be gaining.

01:09:37.380 And of course, he shredded the economy.

01:09:39.400 It just collapsed.

01:09:41.080 But the same year he went into office, an unknown socialist was elected mayor of Burlington,

01:09:47.220 Vermont.

01:09:48.520 Burlington, Vermont.

01:09:49.860 And that was Bernie Sanders.

01:09:51.220 And, you know, much of the the whole mantra here with socialism only occurs.

01:09:57.940 It only succeeds without any knowledge of history or economics.

01:10:04.420 But it's one of those things that we have to address.

01:10:07.960 One of the things I like about the Trump accounts, by the way, is because it's not an abstraction.

01:10:12.480 I can talk about Adam Smith all day long, but it's not going to register.

01:10:16.660 But it is an interesting concept that people can actually have a tangible exercise in saving money

01:10:24.980 and watching it grow and watching it be invested.

01:10:28.440 That's something that we haven't seen.

01:10:30.400 That's where you can put a thousand dollars in a bank account for your baby if he or she is born

01:10:33.980 during the Trump administration and and watch it appreciate over years.

01:10:37.640 That's right.

01:10:38.060 And you had the Dells contribute just an absolutely breathtaking amount of money.

01:10:43.560 I covered these accounts.

01:10:45.880 We have to we have to think hundreds of billions.

01:10:48.700 Yeah, hundreds of billions.

01:10:49.860 That's absolutely right.

01:10:50.800 Huge.

01:10:51.240 But, you know, we have to do things like that to be creative to so that we can we can save

01:10:57.500 this generation because, you know, we obviously socialism is going to fail again.

01:11:03.600 You know, he's selling things like state controlled stores, which have been abysmal failures

01:11:09.840 and they will fail again.

01:11:11.580 But we can save a lot of that pain if we can show young people that the ultimate empowerment,

01:11:18.940 the ultimate vehicle towards liberty is to be economically independent.

01:11:24.520 Yeah.

01:11:25.260 My crack team says it's six point two five billion that Michael Dell and his wife donated towards

01:11:30.060 these accounts, which you haven't if you haven't if you had a baby in the past year or you're

01:11:34.360 pregnant expecting one within the next three.

01:11:36.480 Get on board.

01:11:37.100 It's a great idea.

01:11:38.840 OK, let's again, the book is Rage and the Republic, the Unvinished Story of the American

01:11:43.820 Revolution by by Jonathan Turley, professor and Fox News contributor and pal of yours truly.

01:11:50.680 I want to talk to you about a couple of legal stories that are in the news, including what's

01:11:55.100 happening in Minneapolis.

01:11:55.980 Now, we've been covering on this show since Tom Homan went out to Minneapolis and said I

01:12:00.800 spoke with the attorney general, Keith Ellison, and he's cleared the way for us to start cooperating

01:12:08.640 with the jails before they release illegal immigrants out into the community, illegals

01:12:15.160 who have been arrested for something, who are sitting in the county jail.

01:12:18.380 They're going to start cooperating with ICE again.

01:12:20.480 They're going to they're going to let us know, you know, Joe Schmoe's getting out this Friday

01:12:24.160 so that we don't have to go track him down in his neighborhood and cause a big ruckus.

01:12:27.580 We'll just get him at the jails like we do in other cities that are not sanctuaries.

01:12:32.360 And I said to the audience, as soon as Tom Homan said that, no, I don't buy it because

01:12:39.020 this is a sanctuary city policy that the AG.

01:12:43.780 Well, I mean, first he cited the governor.

01:12:45.520 The governor doesn't have control over because it's a city and county thing.

01:12:49.060 And I said, I want to hear from Mayor Frye and I want to hear from the sheriff of Hennepin

01:12:53.520 County, which is Minneapolis.

01:12:55.220 Well, wouldn't you know, now the New York Times The Daily has finally stumbled onto this

01:13:02.800 problem.

01:13:03.080 They did their whole show about something we covered on our show at length last week,

01:13:06.400 acknowledging the same problem.

01:13:08.120 And Tom Homan went on with Hannity on Friday night and buried in the long exchange was an

01:13:16.260 admission that this is not a done deal.

01:13:19.080 The sheriff has not said yes to this.

01:13:21.500 He's only, quote, working toward it, which with respect to Tom Homan is meaningless right

01:13:28.160 now.

01:13:28.500 Nothing has changed.

01:13:30.120 Here was that exchange.

01:13:31.360 You met with Walls.

01:13:32.900 You met with Frye.

01:13:33.900 You met with Ellison.

01:13:35.520 And Frye, after you met with him, said, I also made it clear Minneapolis does not and

01:13:40.980 will not enforce federal immigration law.

01:13:43.480 Well, OK, what does that mean?

01:13:46.640 How do you interpret that?

01:13:47.940 And is he violating the law by not assisting or not turning over illegal criminals that are

01:13:55.060 in their justice system?

01:13:58.180 Well, here's what we have, Sean, meeting with the governor and AG and Mayor Frye.

01:14:02.240 Here's what we came out with.

01:14:03.280 The state prison system will honor our retainers.

01:14:07.780 So we will continue to take those people in the custody of a safety and security of a

01:14:14.600 facility and not have to go on the street and look for them.

01:14:17.580 The AG said that sheriffs can honor our retainers.

01:14:21.440 And I'm meeting with sheriffs across the state to give us prior notification.

01:14:25.780 Excuse me.

01:14:26.440 He didn't say they would honor our retainers.

01:14:27.880 He said they can notify us before they release them and she'll give us time to get there

01:14:32.500 and take them into custody in a safety and security facility.

01:14:35.120 And we're working on that.

01:14:36.540 So if we get that cooperation, which we're working on, we've got some commitments here.

01:14:40.140 That means we can draw down on the number of agents there because we're in the jails.

01:14:46.620 OK, I love Tom Holman, but that's very optimistic for a city that has voted for sanctuary city status.

01:14:54.480 Yes, the vast majority of Minneapolis residents are on the streets right now from the look of it,

01:15:00.100 protesting ICE and not in a mood to lift the sanctuary city policies, Professor.

01:15:05.100 And so you tell me there is no obligation, is there, for the locals, unfortunately,

01:15:11.620 to help the federal government on immigration enforcement?

01:15:15.620 No, the Supreme Court has handed down a series of cases that are called anti-commandeering cases.

01:15:22.620 And those cases say that state and local officials cannot be required to carry out federal law.

01:15:28.580 So it is up to them.

01:15:30.280 You're certainly right that the political environment does not bode well in cities like Minneapolis and Portland.

01:15:37.440 So we're going to continue to have this tension over the enforcement of immigration laws.

01:15:43.840 And you have President Trump issuing a truth social the other night because we saw uprisings in Los Angeles,

01:15:52.200 in Oregon, again, in Minneapolis and in I think it was at L.A. or Oregon where they they went into the federal building.

01:16:00.360 He said we're not. It was in Oregon.

01:16:04.300 He said we're we are we are expecting and demanding the locals to protect those buildings.

01:16:10.860 But if you don't, we will protect our federal agents and our federal buildings.

01:16:15.780 But we are not going to protect your cities from riots.

01:16:18.340 That is a you thing. That's a local thing.

01:16:20.700 If you ask us, if you say, please, we will send the feds in and we will provide protection as we've done elsewhere.

01:16:26.420 But we don't actually have to do that.

01:16:28.560 So he seems to be kind of getting to the end of his rope here with this local obstruction,

01:16:34.320 saying if you're going to have riots, that's your problem.

01:16:37.340 Like you want to burn your own city down.

01:16:39.340 Go ahead and burn it.

01:16:40.340 We're not going to let you burn anything that's federal related.

01:16:42.780 And by the way, we expect you to help us in that effort.

01:16:45.380 So does he have like the responsibilities, correct?

01:16:48.500 No, he does.

01:16:49.340 And he also has the authority.

01:16:50.980 You know, notably, you had Keith Allison, who, by the way, before he became attorney general,

01:16:56.420 was waving around a copy of the Antifa handbook and praising them for putting the fear of God into Trump and his allies.

01:17:04.380 That's the attorney general of Minnesota.

01:17:06.700 And he and Walt and others filed this frivolous lawsuit to try to prevent the enforcement of not just immigration laws,

01:17:15.360 but the increase of personnel to investigate fraud.

01:17:18.760 And the result, as many of us predicted, was that even a Biden appointee judge dismissed it and said, I can't do that.

01:17:29.460 That would be unconstitutional.

01:17:31.140 But more importantly, you haven't stated a single ground upon which to show that this is unlawful, that I could enjoin this effort.

01:17:39.440 So that's just the latest victory by the administration.

01:17:44.280 Their authority here is clear.

01:17:45.700 It doesn't mean that they can't violate that authority.

01:17:49.080 You know, they're investigating the Preddy shooting.

01:17:51.580 There's legitimate questions there.

01:17:52.940 And so they're going to investigate it like other shootings and make a determination if this was unlawful.

01:17:58.780 But in terms of the authority, they clearly have that authority.

01:18:02.940 Yes. And what we're seeing now, though, is bit by bit what I think looks like judicial coups against the administration on its immigration policy.

01:18:14.060 Like this past weekend when we had a judge down in Texas where the little boy was brought, the five-year-old boy who the left made so much news about last week.

01:18:23.560 He was taken into federal custody with his dad two weeks ago.

01:18:27.420 His dad, DHS says, is an illegal immigrant.

01:18:30.620 His lawyer claims he's an asylum seeker.

01:18:33.560 DHS says that's not true.

01:18:35.680 He's an illegal immigrant.

01:18:37.740 And DHS went, or ICE, Customs Border Patrol, I can't remember which agency it was, but they went to arrest him.

01:18:44.160 And he ran, leaving his five-year-old boy sitting alone in the car.

01:18:47.840 They tried then to get the mother who was inside the house to take the boy.

01:18:51.360 She refused.

01:18:52.500 So he was without a custodial parent at the moment.

01:18:55.420 Finally, they caught the dad.

01:18:56.880 They brought the dad back to the car.

01:18:58.520 They said, you're getting deported.

01:18:59.680 We're shipping you down to Texas in a holding facility, and then you're going.

01:19:02.900 He already had an order of removal.

01:19:06.020 And they said, what do you want us to do with your son?

01:19:09.200 Would you like your wife to take him inside?

01:19:12.140 Or you can take him.

01:19:14.200 It's up to you.

01:19:14.980 We don't have the power to separate you from your child.

01:19:17.020 If you want to take him home to you as you're being deported, I think, back to Guatemala, you can.

01:19:21.220 And he said, that's what I want.

01:19:22.140 I want to take my boy with me.

01:19:23.100 So they shipped him down to Texas to the holding facility, and from there he will be shipped back home or would have been had it not been for the intervention of a federal judge down there who got involved and said, oh, no, no, no, no.

01:19:37.060 We're not doing that.

01:19:38.460 We are actually releasing this little boy and his father and put them on a plane, at least according to NPR, back to Minnesota, where reportedly they are now.

01:19:49.880 He released them, definitely did order them released from the federal facility.

01:19:53.320 And here, listen to this insanity, Jonathan, in this ruling.

01:19:57.820 It's a Clinton-appointed U.S. District Judge, Fred Beery, B-I-E-R-Y, on Saturday directing the government officials to release them both, father and son.

01:20:05.940 The son is Liam Ramos.

01:20:07.520 This opinion is wild.

01:20:09.460 Three pages.

01:20:10.580 He calls Trump's mass deportation policy ill-conceived and incompetently implemented.

01:20:15.000 He accuses the Trump administration of being ignorant of the anti-Kings sentiment of the Declaration of Independence and the Fourth Amendment.

01:20:21.540 He says immigration administrative warrants do not pass probable cause muster.

01:20:29.060 He then says the following.

01:20:31.520 Observing human behavior confirms that for some among us, the perfidious lust, that means dishonest, perfidious lust for unbridled power and the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds and are bereft of human decency and the rule of law be damned.

01:20:49.120 I'm almost done.

01:20:49.740 He says the U.S. needs a more orderly and humane policy for deportation, which is a totally inappropriate judgment for a justice or a judge sitting in a robe.

01:21:01.080 That's a congressional determination.

01:21:02.760 And he ends it by quoting Benjamin Franklin, our friend, saying the Republican is only being saved by a judicial finger in the constitutional dike.

01:21:09.980 He signs the opinion on a day that does not exist, the 31st of February, and then he includes the viral picture of little Liam in his dog snow hat, as well as citations to two Bible verses.

01:21:23.560 Professor Turley, you tell me what's happening with his opinion here.

01:21:29.060 No, we have seen that before, Megan, and in my view, it is inappropriate.

01:21:33.560 And it's chilling for judges to step down from the bench and try to engage in this political debate.

01:21:40.700 If he has grounds for his action, he should state them, allow the rest of the debate to occur among citizens and the government.

01:21:48.820 You know, in this case, you had what I wrote about earlier as the bait boy hoax, that the boy was being used as bait to arrest the mother.

01:21:57.980 Many of the same people who piled on with the false migrant whipping story a few years ago were the very same people that piled on this one, including Harris and other Democratic leaders.

01:22:13.040 And it was this like that was false.

01:22:16.400 And so, you know, the problem here is that those are just politicians and pundits.

01:22:21.600 This is a judge and he has to convey some degree of neutrality to to the American people.

01:22:30.640 And obviously, this this hyperbole doesn't do that.

01:22:35.680 But many of these district court judges have been reversed by court of appeals and eventually they're going to get the message.

01:22:43.460 Yeah, I hope you're right.

01:22:44.600 I mean, there was another judge in Better News.

01:22:46.640 I was encouraged by this.

01:22:47.960 So I think was also a Clinton appointee, although I don't think she had any no as a Biden appointee.

01:22:52.580 She had any choice.

01:22:53.500 U.S. District Judge Catherine Menendez, who the angry left in Minnesota, Jacob Fry and co filed a lawsuit in front of her.

01:23:03.600 They sued the Trump administration to block the deployment of increased federal resources for the purposes of immigration enforcement, saying it infringed on the state's 10th Amendment.

01:23:11.500 Police powers was a violation of equal sovereignty under the Constitution and other bases asking for a preliminary and permanent injunction.

01:23:19.680 And she said no with ease.

01:23:22.140 This is a Biden appointee who said you don't have it.

01:23:25.240 This has not crossed a constitutional line.

01:23:27.640 This is clearly within the purview of the feds.

01:23:30.720 And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop them because whether I like it or I don't like it is kind of irrelevant.

01:23:36.860 They have the power to do it.

01:23:38.500 Yet notably, Menendez is viewed as a fairly hostile judge to the Trump administration.

01:23:44.680 She was just reversed for one of her earlier decisions against the Trump administration.

01:23:50.100 And yet she told the governor and attorney general and the mayor that you cannot enjoin the federal enforcement of the law.

01:24:00.780 And and yet Fry says we're going to appeal this like a bad gambler at Vegas.

01:24:06.820 He's going to double down on this bad case.

01:24:10.680 There is no way that this will ever succeed.

01:24:14.500 He's just going to create more precedent against them.

01:24:16.940 Exactly, because the feds are entirely within their purview to enforce federal immigration law.

01:24:24.340 And while, as we discussed when we kick this off, they cannot force the states to help them.

01:24:29.800 They can do what they need to do in order to secure the border.

01:24:33.380 And the states do have an obligation not to actively try to thwart the law being enforced by the feds.

01:24:40.060 But we cannot mandate that they help.

01:24:42.040 And they certainly cannot mandate that the feds stop.

01:24:45.060 All right, let's go to pause here.

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01:26:32.800 All right, Professor, let's talk about the Don Lemon case.

01:26:35.980 I think you and I may disagree on this one.

01:26:38.020 Um, I believe that they were right to charge him because he did go into a church.

01:26:43.740 He did behave more as protester than journalist.

01:26:46.480 But I think even as a journalist, he is exposed to liability because while he could have gone into some public venue with his microphone, um, he didn't.

01:26:56.060 He went into private property, which a church is.

01:26:58.620 He was told specifically by the pastor to leave, which he then didn't.

01:27:03.240 And unfortunately for Don Lemon, there is a right by churchgoers to be left alone.

01:27:08.900 And so while this, these antics might have flown had he been on truly public property, um, they're not going to fly here thanks to the FACE Act and the Klan Act, which protects against conspiracies that violate somebody else's rights.

01:27:22.580 And people's right to observe their faith is pretty well established.

01:27:27.440 So that's why I think Don Lemon's in a lot of trouble, whether they think he was acting as a journalist or not.

01:27:32.220 Do you disagree with me?

01:27:33.260 Well, I agree with much of that.

01:27:35.120 I obviously disagree with Attorney General Ellison, uh, who told the, the people of Minnesota that the FACE Act doesn't apply to places of worship.

01:27:45.720 It only applies to abortion clinics, which is just completely untrue.

01:27:50.480 Uh, it most certainly does apply in these circumstances.

01:27:54.260 I, my only issue with the, uh, Don Lemon arrest is I think that courts are very likely to view him as engaged in a protected journalistic exercise.

01:28:05.820 That doesn't necessarily mean it will be a complete defense.

01:28:09.000 We're gonna have to see specifically what the conduct alleged would be to support the indictment.

01:28:15.760 Lemon is an example.

01:28:17.680 I actually talk about this in Rage in the Republic.

01:28:19.720 Cause I talk about the press and the, the, the role of the press in what I call mobocracy, you know, that we saw this with the French revolution.

01:28:28.640 We see it today where you have journalists that blur the line between the press and advocates.

01:28:35.560 And as you know, Megan and J schools now around the country, journalism schools, there's a rejection of objectivity and neutrality in these J schools.

01:28:45.740 And so people like Lemon are sort of the face of that movement that, uh, good journalists are advocates.

01:28:52.760 Well, that makes this a much more difficult question.

01:28:56.040 As you pointed out, was he there as a journalist or as an advocate?

01:29:00.580 And so Lemon is going to force that issue.

01:29:03.580 It's just that most judges will tend to run home on, uh, this first amendment issue.

01:29:09.500 They will view this as a journalistic exercise.

01:29:12.060 Now, on the last point, I want to note that you said, well, he was told to leave and that makes this trespass.

01:29:19.480 That is true.

01:29:21.300 Uh, there was an important case, uh, that was handed down by the fourth circuit, uh, which, um, which held exactly that, that journalists do not have the right to, uh, to, um, uh, to trespass.

01:29:36.660 And the problem is that those crimes are often prosecuted by the state.

01:29:43.820 Uh, but it's, yeah, trespasses the state.

01:29:46.000 Right. So it's clear the governor and the attorney general have no interest in prosecuting people on the left, like Don Lemon.

01:29:53.120 But professor, could, could I live with, stick with the FACE Act for now.

01:29:56.760 Do you really think that I could go in there with a group of protesters who were trying to block women from getting an abortion?

01:30:03.200 They stormed the abortion clinic.

01:30:05.140 They had chains, they chained themselves in front of the surgical doors so that no woman could cross.

01:30:11.280 And I'm with them and I too am making it difficult just by my mere presence for somebody to walk in and try to get an abortion.

01:30:18.760 Megan Kelly's there.

01:30:19.780 She's got a camera on me.

01:30:21.560 I, this is uncomfortable that I would not be charged just because I, I'm a journalist and I have a right to report.

01:30:29.180 I, my rights don't give me access everywhere.

01:30:31.460 I can't go into somebody's surgery or their abortion clinic.

01:30:35.100 And that's written right into the FACE Act.

01:30:37.440 And unfortunately for Don Lemon, he did the equivalent of that by going into a church.

01:30:40.780 Well, the, the fascinating thing on that point, which is an excellent analogy, is that Ellison himself has interpreted the FACE Act when it comes to pro-life defendants as being unbelievably broad, that he is anything to be obstruction.

01:30:59.180 So if you apply the Ellison approach, then you're absolutely, absolutely right.

01:31:03.600 It's a really difficult question for a lot of, of courts of when you cross that line as, as a journalist.

01:31:11.320 And, uh, you know, I, my only point is that I think in the end, he's going to have the advantage, uh, with these, with these courts.

01:31:20.680 But, you know, we haven't even seen this, uh, unfold in terms of the indicted conduct and what will be presented at trial.

01:31:28.900 I'm just simply saying that I think that the odds probably favor him.

01:31:33.060 They do not favor, in my view, the others who have been charged.

01:31:37.560 Mm-hmm.

01:31:38.520 Um, I do think, I, I do think that he's going to play that card, but I don't think it's going to be upheld unless there's partisanship.

01:31:44.460 Because I'll, I'll just play you this one sound, but we've been covering it very closely.

01:31:47.320 And the indictment doesn't cite a lot of this terrible behavior.

01:31:50.600 But just let me play one soundbite for you, professor, of him at the event in the church.

01:31:56.360 And you tell me whether this sounds like journalist or protester.

01:31:59.720 Here it is.

01:32:00.860 This is the beginning of what's going to happen here.

01:32:02.820 When you violate people's due process, when you pull people off the street and you start dragging them and hurting them and, um, and not abiding by the constitution.

01:32:12.020 When you start doing all of that, people get upset and angry.

01:32:16.300 And if you remember what the civil rights movement was about, the civil rights movement was about these very kinds of protests.

01:32:25.020 And for some reason, in our modern era, people think that in order to have protests, you've got to be, you know, cordoned off to a certain area.

01:32:34.700 And, uh, you know, what time you can protest.

01:32:37.900 There's nothing in the constitution that tells you what time you can protest.

01:32:43.640 You can protest at any time.

01:32:44.760 That's the whole point of it is to disrupt, to make uncomfortable.

01:32:48.340 And that's what they're doing.

01:32:49.520 And that's what I believe when I say everyone has to be willing to sacrifice something.

01:32:53.760 You have to make people uncomfortable in these times.

01:32:56.460 If you see how uncomfortable people uncomfortably and how harsh people are being treated on the streets,

01:33:02.840 you have to be willing to go into places and disrupt and make people uncomfortable.

01:33:08.340 That is what this country is about.

01:33:13.300 Yeah, it's an extraordinary, I'm so glad you, you did show that passage.

01:33:17.580 This is a guy who just last night got a standing ovation, uh, in an award ceremony by, uh, folks in Hollywood.

01:33:24.780 What they don't show, by the way, when he says that this is supposed to make people uncomfortable is the child being cradled by his father because he's terrified because he came there to a church service and found himself in the middle of a, uh, what seemed to be a building riot.

01:33:38.520 And you also do, I think that your point is a good one, Megan, that it is hard to see that as journalism.

01:33:44.380 It seems to me to be advocacy.

01:33:46.920 But this is something that the courts are really struggling with in good faith.

01:33:51.260 One of the things we've seen from the left in a lot of these protests has been that Antifa and other groups have donned press, uh, um, vests.

01:34:01.460 And by simply pulling out their phones, they say that we're press.

01:34:05.400 Uh, you also saw this sort of use of legal observer status.

01:34:09.520 You know, uh, Renee Good said that she was a legal observer before that shooting.

01:34:14.940 I've represented legal observers in courts in protest cases.

01:34:18.960 That was not a legal observer.

01:34:21.120 That was a participant.

01:34:22.360 She was actively blocking ICE.

01:34:25.740 And so we're going to have to, the courts are going to have to sort of weed through this to try to draw some lines here.

01:34:32.820 But Don Lemon may succeed in forcing this issue.

01:34:35.620 As, as J schools crank out more, uh, activist journalists, courts are going to have to make a decision of when you become more of an activist than a journalist.

01:34:46.220 I mean, I, I think it's interesting because we should just know what he was there doing.

01:34:51.520 But I don't think my own personal opinion and my legal opinion is it doesn't matter.

01:34:55.320 The FACE Act does not have an exception for a journalist.

01:34:58.180 If I, as a journalist, go into an abortion clinic with my mic and my camera, I am 100% going to get arrested under a Democrat administration anyway for a, for a FACE Act violation.

01:35:08.320 And same as Don Lemon got arrested for going into that church, he conspired.

01:35:12.380 That's the other thing.

01:35:13.060 He's been charged with conspiracy against rights, which is a separate claim.

01:35:15.960 And he did conspire with them.

01:35:18.000 He knew in advance.

01:35:18.900 He worked with the leader of the whole thing.

01:35:21.220 He kissed her on the cheek.

01:35:22.120 He gave coffee and donuts to the people beforehand to get him psyched up.

01:35:25.480 He knew where they were going.

01:35:26.560 He was there from the beginning.

01:35:27.980 He also disrupted the mass, the service.

01:35:30.900 He got in the face of the pastor.

01:35:32.760 The pastor didn't want to be talking to him and told him to leave.

01:35:35.320 He refused.

01:35:36.180 He continued sticking his mic in the faces of the congregants after the pastor had told him to get out.

01:35:40.600 He knew he wasn't wanted.

01:35:42.060 He stayed anyway.

01:35:43.440 He defended the protest.

01:35:44.560 He watched traumatized children and said, trauma is part of it.

01:35:48.420 That's all part of it.

01:35:50.120 And to me, there's just no question that just that he had a microphone is not going to save him for that.

01:35:55.260 It's a violation against rights.

01:35:56.700 And journalists have to obey the law just the same as anybody else does.

01:36:00.820 That we don't have some magical shield against the law by the fact that we have press passes.

01:36:06.600 Well, I think that's the sort of fascinating thing for me.

01:36:09.300 You know, with Rage of the Republic and comparing the conditions that existed at our Declaration of Independence with today, many of those Jacobins, those people that guillotine so many of their fellow citizens were journalists.

01:36:24.100 And much like today, they decided that they were advocate journalists and eventually they became little tyrants because they untethered themselves from their professional role.

01:36:37.460 We're seeing that same thing happen today.

01:36:41.480 And it's something that we need to address.

01:36:44.040 You know, where does this take us?

01:36:45.680 Where does all this rage take us?

01:36:48.120 You know, that's sort of the point of the book.

01:36:50.100 It's very easy to start a revolution.

01:36:52.120 It's harder to end one.

01:36:53.320 And in that sense, you know, the book talks about sort of two figures, you know, Payne, who was the righteous rage of a revolution.

01:37:01.880 He knew what it took to bring a people to revolution.

01:37:05.120 And James Madison, who was sort of the pious logic of this republic, he knew what it would take to make a revolution into a republic.

01:37:15.000 And that's why a lot of these principles, we have to sort of remember where we came from and how we got here.

01:37:22.280 Because people like Don Lemon are cut from the same bolt as many of these early advocates who themselves became sort of petty tyrants.

01:37:31.920 Yeah, petty and tyrant both work.

01:37:34.820 Yeah, they work perfectly.

01:37:36.480 What a pleasure to see you again, Professor.

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01:37:50.320 Thank you, Megan.

01:37:51.140 So, so, so much.

01:37:52.060 Thanks for having me on.

01:37:53.640 Anytime.

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01:40:26.080 There is a very disturbing situation out of Arizona

01:40:34.340 involving the mother of NBC News anchor Savannah Guthrie today.

01:40:39.880 Her mother is missing.

01:40:42.460 Her mother, Nancy Guthrie, is missing as of this hour,

01:40:46.040 around 2 p.m. Eastern.

01:40:47.440 She lives in Arizona, out in Tucson,

01:40:53.160 and she's been missing, they believe,

01:40:55.240 since possibly Saturday night.

01:40:57.440 That was the last anyone saw her.

01:41:00.060 Her mother's 84 years old,

01:41:02.000 and was dropped off by a friend

01:41:04.160 back at her house on Saturday evening

01:41:05.780 after a church function,

01:41:07.520 around 9.45 in the evening,

01:41:09.940 was supposed to be at church the next morning

01:41:11.920 and didn't show,

01:41:12.800 which is when they started to worry about her.

01:41:14.840 She did not show up.

01:41:15.820 She lives in a reportedly $1 million home,

01:41:19.260 so it's a nice home.

01:41:20.560 It's got a swimming pool out in Arizona,

01:41:23.000 and the police are making clear

01:41:25.280 they believe that home is a crime scene.

01:41:30.520 Here is SOT 33C

01:41:32.620 with the Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanyos.

01:41:35.660 He expended a lot of resources for a missing person

01:41:39.360 that we typically always do.

01:41:41.520 Our search and rescue volunteers,

01:41:43.040 our search and rescue teams,

01:41:45.200 other agencies,

01:41:47.740 BORSTAR from Border Patrol,

01:41:49.220 sent their canines out.

01:41:51.620 They worked tirelessly all day yesterday

01:41:54.900 and all day tonight.

01:41:57.280 I'm sorry, all day yesterday,

01:41:58.540 all last night.

01:41:59.700 to know about it.

01:42:06.380 As I said yesterday,

01:42:08.320 we saw some things at the home

01:42:11.900 that were concerning to us.

01:42:13.960 We believe now,

01:42:15.360 after we process that crime scene,

01:42:17.580 that we do, in fact, have a crime scene,

01:42:19.840 that we do, in fact, have a crime,

01:42:21.600 and we're asking the community's help.

01:42:27.180 We do, in fact, have a crime scene.

01:42:29.820 This is shocking.

01:42:31.560 Joining me now to discuss it is Matt Murphy.

01:42:33.420 He's a former federal prosecutor.

01:42:35.200 And, Matt,

01:42:36.380 this sounds about as serious as it can get.

01:42:40.220 That's the sheriff on camera saying

01:42:42.580 she was 84,

01:42:44.680 she did not have dementia,

01:42:46.460 she had limited mobility,

01:42:48.480 but saying whatever they see

01:42:50.780 inside of that home

01:42:51.640 has led them to determine

01:42:52.740 that it is a, quote,

01:42:54.820 crime scene.

01:42:55.960 What do you make of that?

01:42:57.880 Well, when it comes to

01:42:59.580 appeals to the public like this, Megan,

01:43:01.860 people tend to come out of the woodwork.

01:43:04.440 I know that she needs,

01:43:05.940 I read that she needs medication every hour

01:43:08.980 or every 24 hours,

01:43:10.520 and if she doesn't get it,

01:43:11.720 that can be fatal for her.

01:43:13.280 So time clearly is of the essence.

01:43:15.220 But they seem pretty sure

01:43:16.640 that a crime took place.

01:43:18.160 We don't know what that information is yet,

01:43:20.980 but these are brutal

01:43:22.600 because it's a race against the clock.

01:43:25.000 And, look,

01:43:25.760 this is one of the cases

01:43:26.680 that you see a lot

01:43:28.300 where older people with dementia

01:43:30.620 wander off,

01:43:31.480 but they've been very affirmative

01:43:32.840 that she was mentally sound.

01:43:35.160 And this is really bad.

01:43:40.180 Yeah.

01:43:40.820 The police officer,

01:43:41.900 well, I mean,

01:43:42.320 the sheriff said,

01:43:44.420 we believe she did not leave

01:43:45.760 of her own volition,

01:43:47.280 that she left behind her keys,

01:43:49.480 her ID,

01:43:50.440 her purse,

01:43:51.380 her phone,

01:43:52.840 everything.

01:43:54.220 I mean,

01:43:54.440 no 84-year-old woman

01:43:55.760 leaves the house without her purse.

01:43:56.960 That is just a fact.

01:43:59.120 They just don't leave

01:43:59.800 without their purses,

01:44:00.660 never mind their phone

01:44:01.320 or their keys.

01:44:02.580 And so all of that

01:44:03.680 is left behind,

01:44:04.440 and there's something else

01:44:05.300 in the house

01:44:05.940 I'm gleaning

01:44:06.840 that leads them

01:44:08.060 to believe

01:44:08.520 it is a, quote,

01:44:10.020 crime scene

01:44:10.620 because he said

01:44:11.120 there are other things

01:44:12.020 at the scene

01:44:12.860 that show

01:44:14.040 she did not leave

01:44:15.340 on her own.

01:44:16.540 Maybe he's still referring

01:44:17.460 to her belongings,

01:44:18.280 but maybe there's something more.

01:44:20.560 You know,

01:44:21.000 this is,

01:44:21.640 and this is wild speculation here

01:44:23.860 on my part, Megan,

01:44:25.700 because we just don't know

01:44:26.720 the facts yet.

01:44:27.480 But when I was a junior law clerk

01:44:29.240 going all the way back

01:44:30.020 to 1992,

01:44:31.680 I was assigned to a project

01:44:33.060 where a 79-year-old woman

01:44:34.800 was brutally attacked

01:44:36.900 in her home.

01:44:39.280 And, you know,

01:44:40.460 there is no real age limit

01:44:42.140 to what sexual predators,

01:44:44.740 and again,

01:44:45.220 there's no evidence

01:44:46.160 to support that

01:44:47.040 other than,

01:44:47.880 I'm just sharing

01:44:48.340 my own personal experience,

01:44:49.660 like,

01:44:50.140 nobody ages out of that

01:44:52.540 as being a potential victim.

01:44:54.340 And it's...

01:44:55.340 So if you were the prosecutor

01:44:57.040 in this jurisdiction

01:44:58.680 and they looped you in

01:45:00.220 on where do we begin,

01:45:01.860 you would not be ruling out

01:45:03.020 sex predators,

01:45:04.720 I mean,

01:45:04.940 you would be looking

01:45:05.500 at everyone.

01:45:05.880 It would be the first place

01:45:06.540 I would look.

01:45:07.280 It would be the first place

01:45:08.020 my detectives would look.

01:45:09.160 Now, again,

01:45:09.780 again,

01:45:10.360 I don't know.

01:45:11.580 We don't know the facts,

01:45:12.820 but right when you start a career

01:45:14.700 as either a police officer

01:45:15.900 or a prosecutor

01:45:17.000 or even the mental health field,

01:45:20.080 you know,

01:45:20.580 this is...

01:45:21.620 the shocking reality

01:45:24.460 to the most vulnerable among us,

01:45:27.660 which are the very,

01:45:28.360 very young

01:45:28.840 and the very,

01:45:29.380 very old,

01:45:29.920 the way

01:45:31.180 certain people

01:45:32.340 will pray on them

01:45:33.240 is it undermines

01:45:35.080 your faith in humanity,

01:45:36.200 you know,

01:45:37.640 as we've talked about before

01:45:39.200 with all the good people

01:45:40.400 that will come out

01:45:41.040 and hopefully help here

01:45:42.080 and hopefully

01:45:42.520 this poor lady

01:45:43.700 will be recovered safely.

01:45:45.720 But it's Monday now

01:45:47.440 and she was last seen

01:45:49.060 after being dropped off

01:45:50.140 from a church event,

01:45:51.860 of all things,

01:45:52.560 on Saturday night

01:45:53.620 and they are...

01:45:55.520 it sounds like

01:45:56.040 they are really desperate.

01:45:57.280 And again,

01:45:57.560 we don't know all the facts,

01:45:59.220 but yeah,

01:46:00.680 this is...

01:46:01.440 this does not look good.

01:46:03.000 I worked homicide

01:46:03.820 for 17 years,

01:46:05.080 but I did four years

01:46:05.860 of sex crimes too

01:46:06.960 and this is...

01:46:08.580 this has...

01:46:10.060 this has all the scary,

01:46:11.360 scary components

01:46:13.380 of cases

01:46:14.500 that don't end well.

01:46:16.740 Oh, God.

01:46:17.860 The sheriff,

01:46:18.580 this is awful.

01:46:19.540 He said,

01:46:20.500 I want to stress to you

01:46:21.500 and this is really important,

01:46:22.780 Ms. Guthrie,

01:46:23.460 Nancy Guthrie,

01:46:24.160 is of great sound mind.

01:46:26.280 This is not a dementia-related

01:46:27.540 issue.

01:46:29.060 She is as sharp as a tack.

01:46:30.800 The family wants everybody

01:46:32.040 to know this is not somebody

01:46:33.540 who just wandered off.

01:46:35.020 Her physical limits

01:46:36.120 are based on age.

01:46:38.260 And, you know,

01:46:38.720 we get old,

01:46:39.360 so it's more physical,

01:46:40.200 but she clearly

01:46:40.740 is as sharp as a tack.

01:46:41.780 So, as you point out,

01:46:42.800 it's not a dementia situation,

01:46:44.700 nor does she even sound

01:46:45.760 capable of roaming far.

01:46:48.100 Doesn't sound like

01:46:48.840 she really could,

01:46:49.580 you know,

01:46:50.760 go for the long walk

01:46:51.780 and just get lost

01:46:52.720 or what have you.

01:46:53.580 Hopefully,

01:46:54.160 what they find,

01:46:55.040 Megan,

01:46:55.280 is they will...

01:46:56.040 I mean,

01:46:56.360 and again,

01:46:57.020 I would love to know

01:46:58.940 what they found

01:47:00.340 inside the house,

01:47:01.140 but if her ATM card

01:47:02.140 is gone,

01:47:03.040 maybe somebody

01:47:03.540 could now turn

01:47:04.080 their going to ATM machines.

01:47:05.980 That would almost be

01:47:06.940 the best case scenario here.

01:47:08.920 But usually,

01:47:10.680 that's going to be

01:47:12.180 a few hours,

01:47:13.180 not a couple of days.

01:47:15.920 But, yeah,

01:47:16.680 we just don't have enough.

01:47:17.600 But look,

01:47:17.980 whenever you make an appeal

01:47:19.300 to the public like this,

01:47:20.760 people really want to help.

01:47:22.620 And the problem is,

01:47:23.680 is that you have

01:47:24.600 limited resources

01:47:25.400 in any missing investigation

01:47:27.020 like this.

01:47:27.980 And when you make an appeal

01:47:29.700 to the public

01:47:30.280 and you're up against the clock,

01:47:31.540 they're going to get

01:47:32.080 a ton of information

01:47:33.140 from well-meaning people

01:47:35.080 that are going to want to help

01:47:36.620 that leads nowhere.

01:47:38.500 So you've got to check off

01:47:39.560 all those dead ends.

01:47:41.040 And so if they...

01:47:41.940 And this sheriff knows that.

01:47:43.380 Any law enforcement officer

01:47:44.980 who's worked a missing case

01:47:46.780 knows that.

01:47:47.320 So if they've made an appeal

01:47:49.260 to the public like this,

01:47:50.420 they are...

01:47:51.160 They're semi-desperate.

01:47:52.800 And that also is very scary.

01:47:56.480 The sheriff said the following...

01:47:59.600 Well, my team just sent this to me.

01:48:02.680 That the authorities

01:48:03.740 are not aware

01:48:04.580 of any threats against Savannah,

01:48:06.460 who is in Arizona now.

01:48:08.260 The FBI is aware of the case

01:48:09.780 and U.S. Customs

01:48:11.260 and Border Protection

01:48:12.080 is also assisting.

01:48:13.240 Now, that's interesting, Matt,

01:48:14.340 because it's so close

01:48:16.200 to the southern border.

01:48:18.020 But now, I mean,

01:48:19.300 that's a different element.

01:48:20.180 And also her neighbor,

01:48:22.220 Nancy Guthrie's neighbor,

01:48:23.760 said they saw her front door open,

01:48:25.980 wide open.

01:48:27.500 I mean, we hadn't really factored in

01:48:28.860 the Mexican border situation.

01:48:31.120 What would you be doing about that?

01:48:33.760 Look, this is one of those things

01:48:36.620 that I've...

01:48:38.520 This is...

01:48:39.140 I think the term is triggering for me.

01:48:41.120 Okay.

01:48:42.800 We have...

01:48:43.840 And again, this is blind speculation.

01:48:45.260 We just don't know enough.

01:48:46.680 But that case I was just telling you

01:48:48.480 about, this poor 79-year-old woman.

01:48:50.380 What happened on that,

01:48:51.200 her name was Mary Ward.

01:48:52.940 And she was a 79-year-old

01:48:54.600 Jehovah's Witness

01:48:55.360 who was brutally raped

01:48:57.120 in her home

01:48:57.580 by a drunk immigrant.

01:49:00.580 Okay.

01:49:00.820 And this guy came up.

01:49:01.640 He was a little bit older.

01:49:03.060 And this is not...

01:49:04.300 This is about sex offenders.

01:49:07.460 This is not about politics.

01:49:08.920 Okay.

01:49:09.240 But there are a lot of places

01:49:11.880 in Central America,

01:49:12.900 particularly Guatemala,

01:49:14.300 El Salvador,

01:49:15.240 a lot of rural areas of Mexico.

01:49:17.780 They're populated

01:49:18.740 by incredibly wonderful,

01:49:20.380 warm people

01:49:20.840 who are also fiercely

01:49:22.300 protective of their families.

01:49:24.040 And what happens...

01:49:25.040 And this is something

01:49:25.580 that nobody talks about, Megan.

01:49:27.260 They have a thing

01:49:27.720 called lynchendimentos,

01:49:29.820 which literally stands

01:49:30.860 for the lynchings

01:49:31.600 because the good people

01:49:32.880 in those areas

01:49:33.680 don't want sex offenders

01:49:35.240 around them

01:49:36.120 any more than we do.

01:49:37.380 And they're fiercely

01:49:38.280 protective of their families.

01:49:39.640 And they will run

01:49:40.400 some of these guys

01:49:41.040 out of town

01:49:41.980 because they don't have

01:49:43.380 functioning judiciary.

01:49:45.040 And technology hasn't caught up

01:49:46.920 with cooperation

01:49:48.220 in law enforcement

01:49:48.960 to the extent

01:49:49.800 that hopefully it will one day.

01:49:51.620 And that was a guy

01:49:52.520 who came up.

01:49:53.180 He was over 30 years old,

01:49:55.200 Mr. Garcia.

01:49:56.200 And we knew nothing about him.

01:49:57.780 We knew nothing

01:49:58.180 about his background.

01:49:58.940 It was really hard

01:49:59.660 to try to figure out.

01:50:00.660 And the thing is,

01:50:01.540 in that case,

01:50:02.020 that woman was a...

01:50:03.160 She was suffering

01:50:03.760 from terminal cancer.

01:50:04.820 Well, after she was raped,

01:50:06.280 she engaged

01:50:07.700 and experienced

01:50:08.400 the classic symptoms

01:50:09.500 of what is known

01:50:10.060 as rape trauma syndrome.

01:50:10.980 And she died in 31 days.

01:50:12.680 So our task was,

01:50:14.220 can we figure out

01:50:15.140 a homicide liability theory here?

01:50:17.260 And we eventually did.

01:50:18.320 We charged him with murder.

01:50:19.540 But the homicide unit

01:50:20.440 passed on it.

01:50:21.600 And it was tried

01:50:22.540 by the sexual assault deputy.

01:50:25.060 And it was an acceleration of death.

01:50:27.680 It's like if your felony conduct

01:50:30.380 accelerates somebody's death,

01:50:33.000 should that be homicide liability?

01:50:35.380 I believe very strongly it was.

01:50:37.700 And look, I have had...

01:50:39.920 Personally, I've had

01:50:40.880 really good experiences

01:50:41.960 working with local authorities

01:50:44.240 in places like Mexico

01:50:45.580 and some other places

01:50:46.740 in Central America

01:50:47.580 because we all agree

01:50:48.880 sex offenders are the worst.

01:50:49.960 And again,

01:50:50.540 blind speculation here.

01:50:51.720 I pray to God

01:50:52.440 that that's not what happened here.

01:50:53.880 But it is in a lot of these border

01:50:56.120 towns in Southern California,

01:50:57.860 it can be an issue

01:50:58.740 just because we don't know.

01:51:00.460 We don't know who these people are

01:51:01.940 when they come up

01:51:02.760 and the sex offenders

01:51:04.020 a lot of times

01:51:04.620 will get run out

01:51:05.640 of their local towns

01:51:06.460 because if they don't,

01:51:07.580 they will get lynched.

01:51:10.800 And nobody ever talks about this,

01:51:12.700 but it's a real thing.

01:51:13.580 It's been studied down there.

01:51:15.760 And who could blame them?

01:51:18.300 So these guys,

01:51:19.180 they come north.

01:51:21.080 I think the vast majority of people

01:51:22.520 come up looking for a better life

01:51:23.820 like my ancestors did.

01:51:25.500 But there are certain people

01:51:27.000 that do come up

01:51:27.820 that are running away from this.

01:51:30.000 And as we know,

01:51:31.600 sexual predators don't get better.

01:51:33.340 And sometimes they just go north.

01:51:36.000 Now, again,

01:51:36.860 I know I'm going to piss off

01:51:38.180 a bunch of people.

01:51:38.740 Yeah, we don't have any reason

01:51:39.920 to believe.

01:51:40.660 We don't have any reason to believe it.

01:51:41.640 I get it.

01:51:42.040 The audience knows.

01:51:42.740 But you're asking me

01:51:44.080 based on my experience

01:51:45.260 and this is the-

01:51:45.980 How you would investigate this.

01:51:46.780 This is the first place

01:51:47.620 my twisted jaundice brain goes

01:51:51.320 after working those cases

01:51:52.560 for 21 years.

01:51:54.040 So I hope I'm wrong.

01:51:55.480 Because he said

01:51:56.900 that they've got

01:51:57.800 homicide detectives involved.

01:52:00.560 So why would they,

01:52:01.640 you know,

01:52:01.820 he said that they have

01:52:02.820 homicide detectives involved.

01:52:04.800 We do, in fact,

01:52:06.920 have a crime scene there.

01:52:09.140 There are other things

01:52:10.180 at the scene

01:52:10.980 that show she did not leave

01:52:12.620 on her own.

01:52:14.520 So that is certainly suggesting

01:52:16.240 she was kidnapped.

01:52:18.160 She was taken in some way.

01:52:19.700 I don't know, you know,

01:52:21.000 if kidnapped is the right word,

01:52:22.440 but that she did not leave

01:52:23.840 of her own volition.

01:52:24.580 And she is missing.

01:52:26.280 So that means another person

01:52:27.980 was involved.

01:52:29.520 And what does it tell us,

01:52:31.080 if anything,

01:52:31.460 that homicide is involved?

01:52:32.700 Like when they make the decision

01:52:33.840 of what cop,

01:52:34.800 what unit is going to go

01:52:35.980 investigate the crime, Matt,

01:52:37.660 how do they figure that out?

01:52:38.980 Well, homicide detectives

01:52:40.660 tend to be the most experienced

01:52:41.840 and the very best.

01:52:43.040 So hopefully, again,

01:52:44.320 I pray that they just brought in

01:52:46.020 their best detectives

01:52:46.900 because it was such an urgent case.

01:52:48.800 And that's not based on any

01:52:50.680 of the evidence

01:52:51.520 that they found at the scene.

01:52:52.520 They just want the best of the best.

01:52:53.700 They have at their disposal

01:52:55.620 to work the case.

01:52:57.600 The fact that the FBI is involved,

01:52:59.160 that's totally appropriate.

01:53:00.200 By the way, Megan,

01:53:00.860 I've had really good experiences

01:53:02.300 on missing cases

01:53:03.440 with working with the FBI.

01:53:05.540 Those agents are,

01:53:07.100 tend to be hyper intelligent,

01:53:09.660 super dedicated,

01:53:10.440 and really,

01:53:11.500 really impressive

01:53:12.640 police officers.

01:53:14.380 The fact that we got a,

01:53:16.200 which agency did you say,

01:53:19.160 Border Patrol,

01:53:19.760 that's working it?

01:53:21.540 Yeah.

01:53:22.440 Yes.

01:53:22.980 Also,

01:53:23.420 U.S. Customs and Border Protection

01:53:25.260 is also assisting.

01:53:26.120 Yeah,

01:53:26.520 that doesn't,

01:53:27.340 that doesn't,

01:53:28.140 that doesn't sound good.

01:53:29.920 But the federal agencies,

01:53:31.280 again,

01:53:31.580 and they're,

01:53:32.100 and they are fine,

01:53:33.460 they're fine investigators.

01:53:34.480 And we did,

01:53:35.460 we worked with them as well.

01:53:36.500 I mean,

01:53:36.620 I think I've worked

01:53:37.280 with every federal agency

01:53:38.220 that exists

01:53:39.020 during my time

01:53:39.960 as a prosecutor,

01:53:40.660 especially when you try

01:53:41.280 to repatriate

01:53:42.260 Americans that have run

01:53:44.120 or foreign nationals

01:53:45.460 that have committed crimes

01:53:46.340 in the United States.

01:53:48.360 I've had,

01:53:49.280 I've worked with everything

01:53:50.020 from the border,

01:53:50.840 the Czechoslovakian border police,

01:53:52.940 you know,

01:53:53.140 to the FBI,

01:53:53.920 Mexican homicide units,

01:53:55.320 and by and large,

01:53:56.280 when you're talking

01:53:56.760 about vulnerable old women,

01:53:58.540 people really tend

01:53:59.800 to forget the borders

01:54:01.060 very quickly

01:54:01.680 and work together,

01:54:03.440 hopefully seamlessly

01:54:04.340 to solve this.

01:54:05.820 I hope that's

01:54:06.460 what's happening here.

01:54:07.860 But this is,

01:54:09.620 I,

01:54:10.340 this doesn't,

01:54:11.640 this is not a good.

01:54:14.120 I mean,

01:54:15.020 it's possible

01:54:15.940 that she,

01:54:18.000 you know,

01:54:18.380 at 84,

01:54:19.860 you know,

01:54:20.160 you can have a stroke

01:54:21.120 pretty easily.

01:54:22.480 You can,

01:54:22.980 I don't,

01:54:23.320 like,

01:54:23.500 dementia's not something

01:54:24.540 that hits you

01:54:25.240 all of a sudden,

01:54:26.260 but something

01:54:27.640 could have happened.

01:54:28.300 There could have been

01:54:28.720 some sort of

01:54:29.200 a neurological event

01:54:30.160 that led her to wander

01:54:31.540 in a way that was

01:54:32.460 atypical of her.

01:54:34.200 It could.

01:54:34.680 You know,

01:54:34.780 without her keys,

01:54:35.620 without her purse.

01:54:36.120 Like,

01:54:36.720 that,

01:54:36.920 that,

01:54:37.320 that would be a good scenario

01:54:38.440 if she is just wandering

01:54:40.080 and lost.

01:54:41.840 It's,

01:54:42.140 I mean,

01:54:42.680 the other problem is,

01:54:44.120 to your point,

01:54:44.800 on the border,

01:54:45.680 it's Tucson's 75 miles

01:54:47.520 from the border,

01:54:48.860 from the southern border.

01:54:49.980 It's very close.

01:54:51.760 Now,

01:54:51.940 she didn't walk 75 miles,

01:54:53.180 but somebody easily

01:54:53.760 could have driven up 75 miles.

01:54:55.560 And,

01:54:55.700 but the one thing

01:54:56.380 we have going for us here,

01:54:57.380 Matt,

01:54:57.580 is that I think she had cameras.

01:54:59.800 I read that there were cameras

01:55:00.960 on her,

01:55:01.440 like,

01:55:01.680 in her home.

01:55:03.000 Now,

01:55:03.180 I don't know whether

01:55:03.580 they were operational,

01:55:04.840 but,

01:55:05.220 you know,

01:55:06.020 the neighbors are going

01:55:07.060 to have a ring camera.

01:55:08.020 In today's day and age,

01:55:08.940 somebody's got a camera

01:55:09.960 on,

01:55:10.860 on the house,

01:55:11.580 or at least the neighborhood.

01:55:13.020 They were asking for that

01:55:14.520 publicly.

01:55:15.080 That was one of the things.

01:55:15.940 Now,

01:55:16.080 if she did have cameras

01:55:16.880 on her house,

01:55:17.640 that may be why

01:55:18.660 they're so sure

01:55:19.300 that this was actually

01:55:20.220 a crime.

01:55:22.340 You know,

01:55:22.840 and look,

01:55:23.360 my mom had a stroke,

01:55:24.300 Megan,

01:55:24.660 and she,

01:55:27.040 she had a series

01:55:27.920 of strokes

01:55:28.540 that ultimately,

01:55:29.700 she passed away

01:55:30.560 because it had been

01:55:31.000 a couple years ago,

01:55:31.840 but she,

01:55:33.040 she started to wander

01:55:34.460 and she had,

01:55:35.600 and strokes do hit

01:55:36.420 people suddenly.

01:55:37.160 So,

01:55:37.760 hopefully,

01:55:38.460 it's something like that,

01:55:39.580 but I did,

01:55:40.160 I did see the sheriff

01:55:41.140 say that they were,

01:55:42.200 that they were searching

01:55:43.120 for her last night

01:55:44.920 using thermal cameras.

01:55:46.100 They were searching

01:55:46.720 the area,

01:55:47.340 and they,

01:55:49.040 and they met

01:55:49.840 with negative results.

01:55:52.440 But you-

01:55:53.080 I'm sure they,

01:55:53.440 they probably have

01:55:53.920 bloodhounds,

01:55:54.700 you know,

01:55:54.940 maybe some,

01:55:55.420 some,

01:55:55.880 some dogs involved

01:55:56.840 with the scent

01:55:57.420 because,

01:55:58.440 you know,

01:55:58.780 if she went on foot,

01:55:59.980 if there's any hope

01:56:00.700 she went on foot,

01:56:01.800 she might be trackable

01:56:02.720 that way.

01:56:03.080 Right.

01:56:03.260 Have you ever done

01:56:03.760 a case where they had

01:56:04.420 dogs and,

01:56:06.060 I mean,

01:56:06.200 they're pretty good

01:56:06.660 at what they do?

01:56:07.100 I've done loads

01:56:07.600 and looked there,

01:56:08.320 it's,

01:56:08.660 I mean,

01:56:08.840 this is,

01:56:09.600 not to make too much

01:56:10.400 a lie of it,

01:56:11.020 dogs are either,

01:56:12.680 I had an old,

01:56:14.220 this is bad,

01:56:15.060 Megan,

01:56:15.360 this is,

01:56:15.680 it's such a serious story,

01:56:16.760 but,

01:56:17.120 or such a,

01:56:17.760 this is such a horrible case,

01:56:19.340 but I had an old investigator

01:56:21.160 who I loved

01:56:22.260 who was a canine

01:56:23.020 and he said,

01:56:23.800 the police dogs

01:56:24.460 will be one of two things.

01:56:25.560 They'll either run

01:56:26.460 into the middle of the scene

01:56:27.440 and take a dump

01:56:28.400 or they will do heroic,

01:56:30.740 awesome things.

01:56:31.660 And it's one of those two

01:56:32.740 when you're dealing

01:56:33.500 with police dogs.

01:56:34.440 Wow.

01:56:34.580 And bloodhounds

01:56:35.400 are fantastic

01:56:36.960 and I've done,

01:56:38.000 one day we should talk about it,

01:56:39.300 I did,

01:56:39.920 I've done cases

01:56:40.900 where bloodhounds

01:56:42.220 did astounding work.

01:56:45.120 They say that their

01:56:45.840 sense of smell

01:56:46.700 is 10,000 times

01:56:47.820 more,

01:56:48.420 more sensitive

01:56:49.260 than humans

01:56:49.780 and I've seen cases

01:56:51.060 where they do that

01:56:51.860 and that's one of the things

01:56:52.700 that's kind of scary here

01:56:53.580 because I'm sure

01:56:54.240 they brought the dogs out

01:56:55.220 unless they had a video

01:56:56.880 of her getting into a car

01:56:58.220 or something

01:56:58.720 because if she just walked,

01:57:00.960 those dogs

01:57:01.720 would be able

01:57:02.160 to find her

01:57:02.780 and I don't know

01:57:05.360 unless she took shelter

01:57:06.680 in somebody's house,

01:57:07.660 maybe something like that.

01:57:08.340 But I've had cases,

01:57:09.280 Megan,

01:57:09.540 where I had a murder case,

01:57:10.500 my Judy Bilac case

01:57:11.400 where they took a scent

01:57:14.040 on my victim's car

01:57:15.320 three and a half miles away

01:57:16.580 about a week

01:57:17.480 after he was murdered

01:57:18.700 and that thing,

01:57:19.780 that dog went

01:57:20.680 three and a half miles,

01:57:22.340 went to the house

01:57:23.560 where he lived

01:57:24.740 and alerted

01:57:26.400 on our suspect

01:57:27.420 as she was pulling

01:57:28.280 into the driveway

01:57:28.840 because she parked

01:57:29.640 the car there

01:57:30.180 and walked that

01:57:31.040 three and a half miles

01:57:31.840 and like four days later

01:57:33.200 and that dog

01:57:33.780 picked up the scent,

01:57:35.040 didn't lose it

01:57:35.880 and literally alerted

01:57:37.100 on our suspect

01:57:37.740 right on the front

01:57:38.660 of the house.

01:57:39.240 So they can be incredible.

01:57:42.820 But also dog tracking

01:57:44.100 evidence can be,

01:57:45.160 you know,

01:57:45.580 it's problematic sometimes

01:57:46.860 evidence-wise,

01:57:47.840 cases in Orange County,

01:57:48.980 murder cases

01:57:49.620 were reversed

01:57:50.440 because judges are,

01:57:52.820 you know,

01:57:53.300 they can be

01:57:54.120 somewhat reluctant

01:57:55.060 unless there's really

01:57:55.820 strong corroborating evidence

01:57:56.920 to rely on the dog

01:57:58.500 evidence alone.

01:57:59.240 But that's another thing.

01:58:01.560 It's more like to lead you

01:58:02.300 to something

01:58:02.720 that you really need to find

01:58:03.940 and if that happens

01:58:05.100 then the dog's done

01:58:05.840 a great job.

01:58:06.580 It's not like

01:58:07.060 the dog pointed to this guy

01:58:09.060 and therefore it's him.

01:58:10.040 It's more like

01:58:10.580 maybe the dog

01:58:11.800 could find the victim.

01:58:12.860 Maybe the dog

01:58:13.300 could find the crime scene.

01:58:14.340 Maybe the dog

01:58:14.760 could lead you someplace

01:58:15.440 where there are real

01:58:16.040 investigative clues.

01:58:17.300 Yeah,

01:58:17.500 and the fact that

01:58:18.020 they made an appeal

01:58:18.740 saying we know

01:58:19.300 the way of a crime here

01:58:20.340 seems to indicate

01:58:21.900 that they're pretty sure

01:58:23.080 that she didn't

01:58:23.620 just wander off

01:58:24.300 and especially

01:58:24.760 when they've reiterated

01:58:25.960 multiple times

01:58:26.640 that she's mentally sound.

01:58:27.640 That again

01:58:29.500 that looks

01:58:30.020 It makes it sound like

01:58:30.920 maybe there was evidence

01:58:31.740 of a struggle

01:58:32.360 potentially in the house.

01:58:33.820 He didn't say that.

01:58:35.800 Maybe he was just

01:58:36.680 referring to the keys

01:58:37.480 and the ID

01:58:37.900 and the purse

01:58:38.400 and the phone

01:58:38.860 and everything else.

01:58:40.100 She again

01:58:40.500 she lives alone

01:58:41.360 but they said

01:58:42.240 she does employ staff.

01:58:44.180 I don't know

01:58:44.720 if that means

01:58:45.260 she has live-in staff.

01:58:46.640 You know like

01:58:46.960 it's possible

01:58:47.840 that when she got home

01:58:49.280 at 945

01:58:50.360 the staff was gone

01:58:51.580 and therefore

01:58:52.120 there's not a person

01:58:52.920 to interview

01:58:53.500 about what happened.

01:58:55.260 You know

01:58:55.480 she doesn't have

01:58:56.060 24-7 staff.

01:58:57.480 They didn't specify

01:58:58.440 that's a question

01:58:59.040 I'd like to see answered.

01:59:01.860 That's everything

01:59:02.640 that we know.

01:59:04.200 Other things at the scene

01:59:05.160 that show

01:59:06.360 she did not leave

01:59:07.160 on her own.

01:59:09.120 In a Mother's Day tribute

01:59:10.200 on Instagram

01:59:11.040 in 2024

01:59:11.880 Savannah described

01:59:12.880 her mother

01:59:13.260 as God's first

01:59:14.160 best

01:59:14.580 and most important

01:59:16.060 gift to me.

01:59:17.000 I'm sure she's

01:59:18.440 absolutely petrified

01:59:19.500 with fear right now.

01:59:20.400 She's in Arizona.

01:59:21.560 The Today Show

01:59:22.400 talked about it

01:59:23.560 this morning

01:59:24.040 with a statement

01:59:25.000 and they're upset

01:59:26.480 as well.

01:59:27.060 I mean this is just

01:59:27.640 a horrific event

01:59:29.680 to have happen

01:59:30.860 and all we can do

01:59:31.820 right now is pray.

01:59:32.560 Pray for a good outcome.

01:59:34.260 Pray it was a misunderstanding

01:59:35.320 by the police.

01:59:37.080 Pray that they got us

01:59:37.740 all worked up for nothing

01:59:38.600 which would be a great

01:59:39.360 outcome.

01:59:39.900 And pray that I'm wrong

01:59:41.140 in all of my paranoid

01:59:42.280 thoughts on this one.

01:59:44.320 Yeah.

01:59:44.800 Yeah.

01:59:46.340 All right.

01:59:47.080 Matt,

01:59:47.340 thank you for hopping on

01:59:48.980 to quickly discuss it.

01:59:50.260 We appreciate it.

01:59:51.080 Anytime.

01:59:51.560 Megan,

01:59:51.820 as always,

01:59:52.440 thank you.

01:59:54.960 Oh,

01:59:55.500 well,

01:59:56.440 I'm saying a prayer

01:59:57.000 for her too.

01:59:57.840 Obviously,

01:59:58.240 there's a history there

01:59:59.060 but I wish her

02:00:00.520 nothing but the best

02:00:01.160 and I certainly wish

02:00:01.940 her mother well

02:00:03.080 and a safe return.

02:00:04.660 No one deserves

02:00:05.140 to go through this.

02:00:05.840 This is deeply wrong

02:00:07.320 and if anybody,

02:00:08.280 if any bad actor

02:00:09.240 is involved in this,

02:00:10.560 I have faith

02:00:11.980 that the local police,

02:00:13.160 the Customs and Border Patrol

02:00:14.300 and or the FBI

02:00:15.320 will find them

02:00:16.400 and given the fact

02:00:18.020 that it's Savannah's mother,

02:00:19.320 I'm sure

02:00:19.740 no expense

02:00:20.700 will be spared.

02:00:21.900 to make sure

02:00:22.780 the book is thrown.

02:00:23.880 I mean,

02:00:24.180 it shouldn't be that way,

02:00:25.200 right?

02:00:25.400 It should be that

02:00:25.840 you don't have any doubt

02:00:27.680 no matter who

02:00:28.740 is involved in the crime

02:00:30.480 but it's just a reality

02:00:32.760 that when there's

02:00:33.500 a media personality

02:00:34.300 who buys ink by the barrel,

02:00:35.440 especially at an organization

02:00:36.560 like NBC,

02:00:37.980 I'm sure law enforcement

02:00:39.080 is doing literally

02:00:40.240 everything within its power

02:00:41.460 to find Nancy Guthrie.

02:00:43.340 So,

02:00:44.040 our prayers

02:00:44.520 are with their family.

02:00:45.700 Savannah has a brother

02:00:46.320 and a sister too

02:00:47.080 who I'm sure

02:00:47.460 are equally worried.

02:00:48.780 Keep them in your thoughts

02:00:49.600 and more on it

02:00:50.780 as we get it.

02:00:51.840 Before we go,

02:00:52.520 I wanted to mention

02:00:53.100 this to you.

02:00:54.080 I mentioned it quickly

02:00:54.700 on Friday

02:00:55.180 but we talked about

02:00:56.460 all these celebrities

02:00:57.100 today at the Grammys.

02:00:58.180 We talked about

02:00:58.640 all these celebrities

02:00:59.240 last week

02:00:59.960 and their multi-million dollar

02:01:01.480 estates

02:01:01.940 and how they're

02:01:02.620 standing up

02:01:03.560 for immigration

02:01:04.640 and speaking out

02:01:05.800 and speaking out

02:01:06.960 against ICE

02:01:07.780 and not one of them,

02:01:09.900 not one of them

02:01:10.980 mentioned any of the Americans

02:01:13.040 who have been killed

02:01:14.220 by these illegals

02:01:15.460 that ICE is trying

02:01:16.460 to get out of this country.

02:01:17.600 Not a word

02:01:18.380 for Lakin

02:01:19.600 or Jocelyn

02:01:20.860 or Kate.

02:01:22.840 None of them.

02:01:23.820 No one said a word.

02:01:25.800 We put together

02:01:26.540 a tribute

02:01:26.940 on our YouTube page.

02:01:28.120 It's there now.

02:01:28.600 I hope you'll check it out.

02:01:29.420 It's seven minutes long

02:01:30.780 and you should watch

02:01:31.940 just a couple minutes of it

02:01:32.900 just so that we're not like them.

02:01:34.520 Just so we,

02:01:35.440 the normies,

02:01:36.200 keep the dead

02:01:37.520 killed by these illegals

02:01:39.160 in our hearts and minds.

02:01:41.000 I'm going to show you

02:01:41.700 one minute of it here

02:01:42.600 before we go.

02:01:43.700 Here it is.

02:01:44.360 Sot Zero.

02:01:44.880 They were killed

02:01:46.700 by criminal illegal aliens.

02:01:50.000 These are the families

02:01:51.380 the media ignores.

02:01:54.420 They don't talk about them.

02:01:56.340 No major networks

02:01:57.560 and cameras to their homes

02:01:59.180 or display the images

02:02:01.480 of their incredible loved ones

02:02:03.160 across the nightly news.

02:02:05.060 They don't do that.

02:02:06.700 They don't talk about

02:02:07.540 the death and destruction

02:02:09.240 caused by people

02:02:11.020 that shouldn't be here.

02:02:11.980 Your loved ones

02:02:13.840 have not died in vain.

02:02:23.240 Aiden Torres de Paz

02:02:24.880 was playing soccer

02:02:25.880 outside his home

02:02:26.600 when his family says

02:02:27.620 his ball rolled into the street.

02:02:29.500 As he ran after it,

02:02:31.140 officers say 44-year-old

02:02:32.800 Hector Balderas Amador

02:02:34.160 hit him and then took off.

02:02:41.980 Two high school sweethearts

02:02:44.180 killed on the 405

02:02:45.480 by a drunk driver.

02:02:46.680 He was also deported

02:02:47.620 twice before this deadly crash.

02:02:50.860 We didn't deserve it

02:02:51.920 and nobody does.

02:02:55.080 So many DUIs

02:02:56.480 and DWIs

02:02:57.660 and murders

02:02:59.040 and rapes

02:02:59.920 and child sexual assault.

02:03:01.880 These people need to go.

02:03:04.260 They need to go.

02:03:05.360 It's not inhumane

02:03:06.180 to get rid of them.

02:03:06.920 It's inhumane

02:03:07.540 to let them stay.

02:03:09.320 If they're law-abiding

02:03:10.600 other than the fact

02:03:11.340 that they came here illegally,

02:03:12.400 then they can leave

02:03:13.000 and they can come back properly.

02:03:14.620 The government

02:03:15.040 will give them $2,600

02:03:16.220 and allow them

02:03:17.620 to do just that.

02:03:18.880 President Trump

02:03:19.340 is being incredibly humane

02:03:20.460 about that.

02:03:21.600 But if they are here

02:03:22.600 and they have committed

02:03:23.260 an additional crime,

02:03:24.280 and I don't really care

02:03:25.040 what that additional crime is,

02:03:26.180 get out.

02:03:27.440 They all have to go.

02:03:28.580 All.

02:03:29.000 Even the ones

02:03:29.480 who didn't commit

02:03:30.180 an additional crime.

02:03:31.060 They may be able to come back,

02:03:32.380 but the others cannot.

02:03:33.940 I am thinking about

02:03:34.880 the children

02:03:35.360 whose parents

02:03:37.220 will never get

02:03:37.720 to hug them again.

02:03:39.060 That permanent separation

02:03:40.480 that they have

02:03:41.380 from their loved ones.

02:03:42.720 That's what Tom Homan

02:03:43.900 and Kristi Noem

02:03:44.860 are doing out there

02:03:46.400 with Customs

02:03:47.400 and Border Patrol,

02:03:48.320 with ICE.

02:03:49.520 And we need

02:03:50.100 thousands more

02:03:51.140 just like them.

02:03:53.000 We thank them

02:03:53.720 for their service.

02:03:55.140 Tomorrow we're back

02:03:55.700 with an NR Day.

02:03:58.220 Thanks for listening

02:03:58.980 to The Megyn Kelly Show.

02:04:00.360 No BS,

02:04:01.180 no agenda,

02:04:01.940 and no fear.

02:04:02.840 Packages by Expedia.

02:04:11.320 You were made

02:04:12.200 to occasionally

02:04:12.960 take the hard route

02:04:14.020 to the top

02:04:14.740 of the Eiffel Tower.

02:04:16.900 We were made

02:04:17.820 to easily bundle

02:04:18.700 your trip.

02:04:19.840 Expedia,

02:04:20.740 made to travel.

02:04:23.620 The best adventures

02:04:25.060 start with the right vehicle

02:04:26.480 and end with memories

02:04:28.300 that last a lifetime.

02:04:30.400 We know that's

02:04:31.600 important to you.

02:04:32.880 It's important to us too.

02:04:35.260 Toyota,

02:04:36.240 for what matters most.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 02, 2026

Ridiculous Anti-ICE Celebs at Grammys, Savannah Guthrie's Mom Missing, and Lemon's ＂Journalism,＂ with Jesse Kelly, Jonathan Turley, and Matt Murphy ｜ Ep. 1243

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