The Megyn Kelly Show - Rittenhouse Two Years Later, and Markle's Story Questioned, with Richie McGinniss and Maureen Callahan

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.600 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.880 Did you see the cover of the New York Post yesterday?

00:00:17.460 If you didn't, do you need to?

00:00:19.980 Toddler and Tiara, in reference to Meghan Markle.

00:00:23.780 We're going to speak with the author of that barn burner of an article later this show,

00:00:28.160 while Nelson Mandela's family is responding to Markle's comments this week.

00:00:33.720 Also, a little fact check by yours truly on her latest round of lies.

00:00:39.060 But we begin today with an exclusive interview with someone whose work you definitely know.

00:00:44.820 Richie McGinnis was a video producer for The Daily Caller,

00:00:48.060 and his job brought him to the front lines of some of the most impactful moments in recent American history.

00:00:52.840 The stories that others would ignore, the reporters who wanted to stand on the outskirts of, say, the BLM protests

00:01:00.200 and tell you that they were mostly peaceful.

00:01:02.760 Richie was in the middle of them and is one of the reasons we know they were not,

00:01:08.240 that they were not mostly peaceful, that they were violent, that people died, people got hurt, and so on.

00:01:13.160 This is a guy who, as the very best journalists will do, runs toward the danger

00:01:18.380 so that you can know what's actually going on.

00:01:21.020 And as a result, he's found himself, especially his past couple years,

00:01:24.320 in the midst of some of the biggest news stories in the country.

00:01:28.220 The riots that we saw, I mentioned, from the summer of 2020,

00:01:31.400 he was also there right in the mix on January 6th,

00:01:35.600 and he was smeared by the New York Times.

00:01:38.060 We'll get to that.

00:01:39.200 But it was one night in Kenosha, Wisconsin,

00:01:41.300 that turned Richie McGinnis from a journalistic observer to part of the story.

00:01:46.260 As he became involved in the Kyle Rittenhouse saga,

00:01:49.520 and then a witness in the trial that captured the attention of the nation.

00:01:55.040 For the first time since taking the witness stand,

00:01:58.340 Richie McGinnis is now speaking out.

00:02:00.160 This is his first on-camera interview.

00:02:06.460 Richie, how are you doing?

00:02:08.080 I'm doing pretty good, Megan.

00:02:08.960 Thank you very much for having me on.

00:02:10.480 Great to see you.

00:02:11.540 Great to see you.

00:02:12.200 We haven't spoken since I watched you testify on the stand

00:02:15.120 and felt nothing but pride for how you handled yourself with class,

00:02:19.640 with dignity, stuck to the truth.

00:02:22.020 It was very clear you didn't care who it helped, who it hurt.

00:02:25.360 You just told your story.

00:02:27.160 You were prosecution witnesses,

00:02:28.520 but I would say you made more points for the defense.

00:02:30.660 I think Kyle Rittenhouse certainly feels that way.

00:02:33.460 But you were consistent from the start in what you saw that night.

00:02:37.300 And so kudos to you for handling it.

00:02:39.340 I'm sure it was a very stressful experience.

00:02:40.860 I appreciate that.

00:02:42.080 Yeah, I got some kudos and some not-so-kudos,

00:02:44.760 but I just did what I had to do

00:02:46.400 and just tried to detach myself from the rest.

00:02:49.360 Yeah.

00:02:49.860 So before we get to Rittenhouse and all of that on January 6th,

00:02:53.540 you've always got your shirt off.

00:02:54.500 Your shirt's off in every...

00:02:55.640 I knew this was going to come up.

00:02:58.660 So are you referring to the first American tragedy or the second one?

00:03:02.860 Because the first, I think, was pretty obvious why the shirt came off.

00:03:05.820 Yeah, the Kyle Rittenhouse thing when somebody was dying.

00:03:09.140 Yes, exactly.

00:03:10.360 And with respect to 1-6,

00:03:12.120 I don't know if you've ever been pepper sprayed

00:03:13.900 or been pepper sprayed multiple times,

00:03:15.660 but if you have, you'd know how good it feels

00:03:18.660 to take your shirt off in the middle of January

00:03:21.020 and feel that cold air.

00:03:23.160 But actually, the real reason why...

00:03:24.200 Don't make me direct people to your Twitter feed

00:03:25.940 where your shirt is also off a lot.

00:03:28.300 Well, you can see the photo on the New York Times.

00:03:29.840 It's still on the article.

00:03:32.060 So you can check that.

00:03:32.760 There's a couple of corrections in there now,

00:03:34.560 but you can still see the photo on there.

00:03:35.780 As a red-blooded American woman, I have no objection.

00:03:38.880 Proceed as you like.

00:03:40.600 Okay, let's talk about prior to those two massive events

00:03:44.860 and the Ritchie McGinnis of yesteryear, right?

00:03:47.620 So you went to Georgetown undergrad,

00:03:49.900 which I didn't know about you until...

00:03:51.340 We know each other.

00:03:52.180 Didn't know about that until I read up on this interview.

00:03:55.620 Go to Georgetown.

00:03:56.920 And when you went to Georgetown, did you want to be a journalist?

00:03:59.520 Were you getting a journalism degree?

00:04:01.000 Or what was your background?

00:04:02.500 No, I studied Arabic and Middle Eastern history.

00:04:04.720 Actually, my Arabic minor was more credits

00:04:06.360 than my Middle Eastern history major

00:04:07.780 and studied Arabic five days a week for three years

00:04:12.340 and for an hour a day in class

00:04:14.300 and then lived in Jordan for six months.

00:04:16.760 And actually, I think the initial reason,

00:04:18.880 you know, growing up outside of New York,

00:04:20.980 my mom worked in Manhattan.

00:04:22.600 9-11 was a very impactful moment.

00:04:24.360 I was in sixth grade.

00:04:25.720 And actually, there's a bit of a deeper story there

00:04:28.760 regarding like me personally.

00:04:30.660 That same day, my mom was scheduled to go in

00:04:33.060 for lung cancer surgery the next day.

00:04:35.620 And so my parents had known for about a month.

00:04:38.400 I told them I felt very uneasy about something.

00:04:40.280 I could sense their energy was off.

00:04:42.400 And they had planned to tell us on 9-11-2001.

00:04:45.360 So I found out that my mom had lung cancer on 9-11

00:04:47.940 and also obviously changed the broader world,

00:04:51.320 not just my own personal one.

00:04:52.940 So I think I studied Arabic partially

00:04:54.900 to learn why, you know,

00:04:56.960 not only the world changed that day,

00:04:59.200 but also my own life changed.

00:05:01.900 And over the course of that journey,

00:05:03.640 I really came to realize that, you know,

00:05:05.980 the Iraq war, everything that happened subsequently,

00:05:08.260 I really viewed the media and the press

00:05:10.620 as the linchpin where all of that was able to happen.

00:05:15.060 You know, when the WMD narrative was being spun up,

00:05:17.580 it's the fourth estate's responsibility

00:05:18.980 to put that in check and they failed to do so.

00:05:21.140 So that kind of directed me towards interning at Al Jazeera.

00:05:24.660 Then I worked at MSNBC as a production assistant.

00:05:27.800 And then I worked for Mark Levin as a video editor

00:05:30.000 and then finally Daily Caller.

00:05:31.400 So I've been across the spectrum in DC.

00:05:33.440 Yes, yes, exactly.

00:05:34.500 Big swings.

00:05:35.160 How would you describe yourself politically?

00:05:38.240 That's a good question.

00:05:39.740 I think it's weird now in 2022

00:05:42.920 to define like your political party

00:05:45.100 because I think we're in the midst

00:05:46.520 kind of a tectonic shift

00:05:48.080 in how exactly that's defined.

00:05:49.700 And obviously Donald Trump factoring into that.

00:05:52.280 But when I first moved to DC in 2008,

00:05:54.680 I was knocking on doors for Barack Obama.

00:05:56.640 And so actually volunteered

00:05:59.100 for that campaign in Virginia.

00:06:00.560 So if you are a Democrat out there,

00:06:02.680 I am one tiny little modicum responsible

00:06:05.540 for turning Virginia blue.

00:06:07.040 But over the course of the Obama years,

00:06:08.800 he had this promise to pull us out of Iraq,

00:06:11.320 you know, to change the way that we deal,

00:06:13.960 that America projects power in the Middle East.

00:06:16.160 And all those promises,

00:06:17.860 Hillary Clinton took over the State Department.

00:06:19.160 I mean, look at what happened to the Middle East

00:06:20.340 over the course of his eight-year presidency.

00:06:22.420 You know, you had the rise of ISIS,

00:06:23.700 Syria collapsed, Libya collapsed.

00:06:26.000 And just to watch the way

00:06:27.640 in which the Obama administration handled that,

00:06:30.080 it was very eye-opening for me.

00:06:32.200 And so I think that kind of like

00:06:33.200 naive innocence that I had

00:06:34.800 when I first came to DC started to disappear.

00:06:37.260 So if you're going to ask

00:06:38.700 how I define myself politically now,

00:06:40.200 I would say, you know,

00:06:41.400 I have,

00:06:41.700 I'm a free speech absolutist for sure.

00:06:46.300 And so I think that in the weird way

00:06:48.000 that would put me on the right,

00:06:49.260 but also at the same time,

00:06:50.940 I believe in, you know,

00:06:51.900 using the power of the federal government

00:06:53.720 for certain programs that might help,

00:06:56.440 you know, the bottom of society.

00:06:57.960 So I don't really know where I fall.

00:07:00.060 I don't know.

00:07:00.520 I voted for Kanye West in 2020.

00:07:02.520 So I'm not sure where I'm going to go in 24.

00:07:04.840 And mushrooms, right?

00:07:05.900 Didn't you say?

00:07:06.680 Yes. And mushrooms.

00:07:07.120 Well, mushrooms were on the ballot in DC.

00:07:08.720 So I guess I probably should have clarified that,

00:07:11.220 but they were on the ballot in DC

00:07:12.520 and they are legal now.

00:07:13.920 So I did vote for that as well.

00:07:17.220 Okay.

00:07:17.900 I mean, I think there are a lot of people

00:07:19.080 who they don't know what party

00:07:20.240 they're there for anymore.

00:07:21.420 Everything is so different

00:07:22.760 than it used to be even just 10 years ago.

00:07:25.540 Are you,

00:07:26.140 how do you feel about having turned Virginia blue

00:07:29.540 and helped to get Barack Obama elected?

00:07:32.600 Well, I think it's interesting to see

00:07:34.140 what's happened in Virginia since then.

00:07:35.600 So actually the latest gubernatorial election

00:07:37.980 in Virginia,

00:07:38.840 I think that that shows you that

00:07:40.320 in a place like Virginia,

00:07:41.880 you know, democracy is functioning pretty well

00:07:43.420 because the parents and people

00:07:45.480 who really cared about a lot of these,

00:07:47.340 like, I guess, you know,

00:07:49.160 school issues and a lot of these culture war issues,

00:07:51.420 they went to the polls

00:07:52.460 and they spoke accordingly.

00:07:53.940 So I think, you know,

00:07:55.360 in that moment in 2008,

00:07:57.000 it's hard to like put myself back in those shoes.

00:08:00.200 But I think, you know,

00:08:01.520 I was very much caught up in the emotion

00:08:02.740 of the moment, Barack Obama.

00:08:04.480 I was a young person.

00:08:05.320 He was very much hope,

00:08:06.320 hope and change folks.

00:08:07.740 And, and you can keep your doctor too.

00:08:10.100 But I think, you know,

00:08:13.140 since then to see the way that he's been,

00:08:17.580 you know, I guess places where he was elected,

00:08:19.240 like Virginia has been held,

00:08:20.680 those policies have been held to account.

00:08:22.940 I think that's pretty encouraging actually.

00:08:25.100 Mm-hmm.

00:08:27.140 That happened to a lot of people, right?

00:08:28.580 They, they were felt inspired by him

00:08:29.900 and then he actually started to govern

00:08:30.980 and they said, oh, wait a minute.

00:08:32.500 I'm having different feelings.

00:08:33.940 Some of the feelings are gone.

00:08:36.240 Now, okay.

00:08:36.980 So you, you wind up at the Daily Caller,

00:08:38.900 which is, you know,

00:08:39.640 that was founded originally by Tucker

00:08:40.980 way, way back in the day,

00:08:42.680 though.

00:08:42.860 I think he got rid of his ownership interest.

00:08:45.480 Yeah.

00:08:45.860 When, when he started coming to Fox News.

00:08:48.900 So you're working at the Daily Caller.

00:08:50.720 Now, was that too right wing for you

00:08:52.520 or was that, I mean, like,

00:08:53.860 well, how did you sort of square that?

00:08:56.060 Well, interestingly,

00:08:56.880 actually someone I bartended with

00:08:58.140 because I bartended while I was working at NBC

00:08:59.680 as a side job and a little bit

00:09:01.820 once I started at Levin.

00:09:03.420 And, and so I was bartending with this guy

00:09:05.740 and I saw him during the 2016 election

00:09:07.440 doing these live streams on the Daily Caller

00:09:08.960 and getting hundreds of thousands,

00:09:10.420 if not millions of views.

00:09:11.580 And the studio was like janky

00:09:13.580 and I'm watching it from my,

00:09:15.660 from my office at Levin TV.

00:09:17.680 And I'm like, wow, there's something here.

00:09:19.400 I went in for an interview.

00:09:20.560 I actually got hit in the hockey game

00:09:21.960 the night before

00:09:22.420 and I had 28 fresh stitches in my face

00:09:24.760 at 8 a.m., like still bleeding.

00:09:26.860 And I called him in the morning.

00:09:28.200 I was like, I don't know

00:09:28.640 if I can make the interview.

00:09:29.340 I got all these stitches.

00:09:29.900 He's like, no, the boss is going to love it.

00:09:31.940 And I went in there

00:09:32.620 and just the atmosphere in the newsroom

00:09:34.780 was so open.

00:09:36.320 Everyone was kind of like shouting at me.

00:09:38.000 Like, you know, it was,

00:09:39.180 it was really exciting.

00:09:40.240 It was just being there.

00:09:42.020 I felt like I could say

00:09:43.220 whatever I wanted in that newsroom.

00:09:44.640 And I didn't feel like coming in

00:09:45.940 as somebody who wasn't

00:09:46.760 like a buttoned up conservative,

00:09:47.840 you know, was some kind of thing

00:09:50.440 that they looked down upon in the newsroom.

00:09:52.560 And secondarily, I think with,

00:09:53.720 you know, Tucker leaving,

00:09:54.640 he's kind of, believe it or not,

00:09:56.400 I guess this is people at home

00:09:57.880 might not realize,

00:09:58.560 but he was kind of a creative force

00:09:59.660 at the caller just because Tucker,

00:10:01.240 he started it with his roommate,

00:10:02.600 Neil Patel, who's still the CEO.

00:10:04.240 And Neil's very type A.

00:10:05.860 Tucker's not quite as type A.

00:10:07.880 So I started in the video program

00:10:09.560 there kind of actually part of my job

00:10:12.160 was creating this little kind of,

00:10:13.840 I guess, creative enclave.

00:10:16.320 And a lot of our creatives

00:10:17.100 that we hired weren't necessarily

00:10:18.720 buttoned up conservatives.

00:10:19.580 In fact, far from it.

00:10:20.660 So I was like, Neil,

00:10:21.500 we got no dress code.

00:10:23.380 We're coming in in hoodies.

00:10:24.260 We're video guys.

00:10:24.920 We're artists.

00:10:25.480 We're going to express ourselves.

00:10:26.360 And they were really receptive to that.

00:10:28.060 So I think in a weird way,

00:10:30.260 the Daily Caller is representative

00:10:31.340 of the fact that the tectonic shift

00:10:34.260 that I'm talking about

00:10:34.960 when I was growing up,

00:10:35.720 being a lefty meant

00:10:36.480 you were pro-free speech.

00:10:37.500 And I think at least the NBC newsroom,

00:10:40.500 other more quote unquote

00:10:43.120 liberal newsrooms,

00:10:44.280 you know, won't have

00:10:46.080 that kind of open atmosphere.

00:10:47.100 Yeah, in my experience,

00:10:48.860 NBC is not willing

00:10:49.780 to an open discussion

00:10:50.800 of controversial issues.

00:10:52.360 I would just, you know,

00:10:53.480 I just, it's my experience.

00:10:54.420 You definitely have

00:10:55.100 some familiarity as well.

00:10:56.220 Exactly.

00:10:57.660 But, you know, speaking of Tucker,

00:10:58.920 he also went from MSNBC, right?

00:11:00.620 Well, he'd been at MS.

00:11:01.460 He'd been at CNN.

00:11:02.360 He wound up at Fox.

00:11:04.160 That's when he started the caller.

00:11:05.540 Yep.

00:11:05.820 And right when I signed my contract

00:11:07.920 is right when,

00:11:08.920 literally May 10th, 2017,

00:11:10.600 right when Tucker started

00:11:11.440 in that APM slot

00:11:12.680 taking over for Bill O'Reilly.

00:11:13.880 And before then, you know,

00:11:15.620 he wasn't kind of the villain

00:11:16.920 slash hero that he is today

00:11:19.000 in the media landscape.

00:11:19.800 And so to see like the toothpaste

00:11:21.680 coming out of the tube

00:11:22.500 during the Trump years

00:11:23.280 of not only Trump,

00:11:24.540 but, you know, Tucker

00:11:25.420 and the way that he was treated

00:11:27.320 for having, you know,

00:11:28.840 his opinions

00:11:29.600 about what was going on

00:11:30.860 is very eye-opening for me.

00:11:32.640 And then obviously the way

00:11:33.840 that the caller was interpreted

00:11:34.920 as a result of Tucker

00:11:35.940 taking that front stage,

00:11:37.440 I obviously was on the receding end

00:11:40.700 of a lot of those feelings

00:11:41.800 because, you know,

00:11:42.400 during the riots, for example,

00:11:43.380 people have a certain idea.

00:11:44.860 You must be just like Tucker Carlson.

00:11:46.340 You must think everything the same.

00:11:47.640 But actually, you know,

00:11:48.480 it's a very open-minded newsroom.

00:11:50.900 Yeah.

00:11:51.200 And one thing about Tucker is too,

00:11:52.780 what I find entertaining about him

00:11:54.380 is you kind of never know

00:11:55.960 where he's going to come down

00:11:56.740 on an issue.

00:11:57.780 And that's what's interesting about him.

00:11:59.680 He's nobody's, you know,

00:12:01.520 dog and pony show.

00:12:02.620 Like he will turn on you

00:12:04.680 like tomorrow

00:12:05.500 if he thinks you've done

00:12:06.480 something stupid

00:12:07.240 if you're a politician

00:12:08.160 who's put yourself on the field.

00:12:09.980 He doesn't punch down.

00:12:10.900 But I like that about him.

00:12:13.020 And people think he's like,

00:12:14.340 you know,

00:12:14.660 he's like a Hannity,

00:12:15.660 you know,

00:12:15.900 Hannity's reliably right wing.

00:12:18.260 Yes, yes, exactly.

00:12:19.160 Tucker's not.

00:12:20.000 And the Daily Caller's grown

00:12:21.140 into a really interesting

00:12:21.940 news organization

00:12:22.640 with reporters

00:12:23.420 I would 100% steal

00:12:24.820 if I were to expand

00:12:26.420 my devil may care of media,

00:12:27.640 which one day I may.

00:12:29.220 In any event,

00:12:29.940 so that's interesting.

00:12:30.800 And you,

00:12:31.900 but like I got to know you,

00:12:33.260 you came to my house

00:12:33.980 for an interview

00:12:34.400 that we did one time.

00:12:35.720 And,

00:12:36.260 but I got to know your work

00:12:37.080 just because you were sort of,

00:12:38.120 I don't know if we can call it

00:12:39.220 guerrilla news gathering

00:12:41.080 because you're with

00:12:41.780 a news organization,

00:12:42.540 but you were just

00:12:43.620 freaking not afraid.

00:12:45.160 You were putting yourself

00:12:46.500 in the middle of all that shit.

00:12:48.280 It was like the dangerous stuff

00:12:50.780 that was happening.

00:12:51.920 The more dangerous,

00:12:53.300 the better.

00:12:54.000 You,

00:12:54.280 you were like a moth to the flame

00:12:55.680 for the past three years,

00:12:57.240 wouldn't you say?

00:12:58.500 Well,

00:12:58.960 honestly,

00:12:59.440 I'm going to give a lot of credit

00:13:00.280 to Shelby

00:13:00.720 because Shelby,

00:13:02.320 you know,

00:13:02.900 Shelby,

00:13:03.220 she's actually a white house

00:13:05.880 correspondent at the Daily Caller

00:13:07.140 and she is now a white house

00:13:09.440 correspondent,

00:13:10.240 but she's a former pro tennis player.

00:13:12.140 And when all those riots started,

00:13:13.120 she was actually the one

00:13:13.920 who went to our editor-in-chief

00:13:15.700 and she was like,

00:13:16.200 I'm going to go out

00:13:16.580 and cover these.

00:13:17.300 And he's like,

00:13:17.740 you're a girl,

00:13:18.620 you know,

00:13:18.800 you can't do that.

00:13:19.740 And she was like,

00:13:21.220 I'm going to go

00:13:21.680 whether you like it or not.

00:13:22.680 And that first weekend,

00:13:23.480 I was actually in New York

00:13:24.360 and I returned on June 1st,

00:13:25.620 which was the Trump Bible

00:13:27.120 photo op day.

00:13:29.160 And over that weekend,

00:13:31.260 Shelby was like walking

00:13:32.160 into stores

00:13:32.640 as they were actively being looted

00:13:33.940 along with Jorge,

00:13:35.040 who was one of our interns.

00:13:36.480 And so Shelby was really like

00:13:37.640 the tenacious one

00:13:38.860 who was getting out there

00:13:39.820 and getting into the mix.

00:13:40.980 And kind of my job was

00:13:42.300 between Shelby and Jorge,

00:13:43.580 making sure that the video got up,

00:13:44.940 that everything was delivered

00:13:45.580 and recording,

00:13:46.620 you know,

00:13:46.800 focusing more on the video

00:13:47.880 in these protest zones.

00:13:49.440 And so we had a couple of situations,

00:13:51.580 you know,

00:13:52.380 where Shelby's standing tall

00:13:54.300 and I'm just like bear hugging her

00:13:55.500 and dragging her out of there

00:13:56.360 because I'm like,

00:13:57.140 you're not the one

00:13:58.000 who's going to get punched

00:13:58.580 in the head first.

00:13:59.300 They punched the guy

00:14:00.000 in the head first for sure.

00:14:01.180 But actually Jeff told Shelby

00:14:02.820 or told me

00:14:03.660 when we went out there,

00:14:04.380 he said,

00:14:04.700 if Shelby gets a black eye

00:14:06.200 and you're not in the ICU,

00:14:07.520 I'll kill you myself.

00:14:08.820 And he's a Marine.

00:14:09.600 So you got to take that

00:14:10.960 with a grain of salt.

00:14:11.740 But it was definitely,

00:14:14.300 I guess,

00:14:14.980 we didn't realize

00:14:16.960 how things were going to turn out

00:14:18.240 at the very beginning.

00:14:18.980 It was a great team.

00:14:19.960 No.

00:14:20.200 And weren't you,

00:14:21.100 weren't you guys getting shit

00:14:22.460 from some people on the left

00:14:23.780 for doing it?

00:14:24.740 Like they were accusing you

00:14:26.320 of like manufacturing it.

00:14:27.560 I'm trying to remember

00:14:28.020 exactly the contract,

00:14:28.640 but it was like,

00:14:29.140 oh,

00:14:29.220 you're making it happen

00:14:30.260 as opposed to just documenting

00:14:31.600 it with your camera.

00:14:32.780 Something along those lines.

00:14:33.660 It was a bunch of nonsense

00:14:34.680 from the left wing press

00:14:36.040 that didn't have the balls

00:14:37.120 to cover it at all.

00:14:39.120 Yeah.

00:14:39.380 And we saw a lot of that

00:14:40.460 after Kenosha,

00:14:41.540 after one six.

00:14:42.580 And actually in Kenosha,

00:14:43.600 I was,

00:14:44.340 took a lot of crap

00:14:45.680 from the right wing

00:14:47.140 because I was wearing

00:14:47.640 a BLM shirt that night,

00:14:48.900 which actually I used

00:14:49.680 to try to save

00:14:51.480 Joseph Rosenbaum,

00:14:52.600 which obviously

00:14:53.060 those efforts failed.

00:14:54.280 But wearing that shirt,

00:14:55.780 that's exactly

00:14:56.520 what you're talking about.

00:14:57.080 Our role was to be

00:14:58.200 a fly on the wall

00:14:59.020 for the American public,

00:14:59.880 just using our cell phones,

00:15:01.540 not, you know,

00:15:02.180 becoming part of the story

00:15:03.000 by coming in with a big camera.

00:15:04.260 And in order to do that,

00:15:05.140 you kind of just had to blend in

00:15:06.440 and, you know,

00:15:07.540 hunker down

00:15:08.760 with the protesters,

00:15:10.220 rioters.

00:15:10.740 If you want to elicit,

00:15:12.040 you know,

00:15:12.260 their truth,

00:15:12.900 why they think

00:15:13.640 they're out there,

00:15:14.680 then you kind of

00:15:15.720 have to embed with them

00:15:16.840 rather than, you know,

00:15:17.620 coming in with a big camera

00:15:18.700 and saying, you know,

00:15:19.540 so why is this

00:15:20.280 a party like atmosphere?

00:15:21.920 Oh my God,

00:15:22.160 it's because of you

00:15:23.380 that we know

00:15:24.320 a lot of the violence

00:15:25.380 that happened

00:15:25.860 at these BLM riots.

00:15:27.080 I mean,

00:15:27.300 you're reporting

00:15:28.520 your fearlessness

00:15:29.260 and getting in the mix.

00:15:30.080 It's like because

00:15:30.520 of your T-shirt

00:15:31.140 at a thing

00:15:31.720 where you were

00:15:32.140 trying to blend in,

00:15:32.900 people are trying to say,

00:15:33.780 people don't know

00:15:34.760 nothing about you.

00:15:35.600 It's like they make

00:15:36.260 all sorts of assumptions

00:15:37.160 from the New York Times

00:15:38.160 to the people

00:15:39.280 who are ripping on you guys

00:15:40.220 for your, you know,

00:15:41.180 journalism

00:15:41.560 during those riots.

00:15:44.240 What I have seen

00:15:45.160 is an honest journalist

00:15:45.980 who's actually fearless

00:15:47.280 in getting us a story

00:15:48.300 consistently with you,

00:15:49.760 consistently.

00:15:50.280 It's one of the reasons

00:15:50.920 I wanted to have you on.

00:15:52.520 So, okay,

00:15:53.700 so let's flash forward

00:15:54.820 to our first big flash point

00:15:57.320 and that is the Kenosha,

00:16:00.860 Wisconsin riot

00:16:02.260 that involved Kyle Rittenhouse

00:16:04.320 there as what he viewed

00:16:06.140 as a protector

00:16:06.980 of a business

00:16:08.320 and somebody there

00:16:10.280 to potentially provide aid.

00:16:12.280 Now, that's a piece

00:16:13.080 of his story, again,

00:16:14.080 that we know

00:16:14.620 thanks to Richie McGinnis.

00:16:15.780 Okay, we know that

00:16:16.740 because Richie was there

00:16:18.120 and Richie,

00:16:18.900 just to remind the audience,

00:16:19.800 was the guy who got

00:16:20.500 an interview with Kyle

00:16:22.480 who you didn't know

00:16:23.260 from Adam

00:16:23.760 that night before

00:16:25.460 the violence started,

00:16:26.500 like 15 minutes

00:16:27.380 before the violence started.

00:16:28.780 You saw this kid.

00:16:30.340 You're there

00:16:30.960 to document the news.

00:16:32.320 This is just

00:16:32.940 to remind the audience again.

00:16:34.420 Those riots happened

00:16:35.220 in the wake of Jacob Blake

00:16:36.340 being shot in Kenosha

00:16:37.800 by seven times

00:16:39.360 by a police officer.

00:16:40.580 He was resisting arrest.

00:16:41.680 This is the one

00:16:42.160 that Kamala Harris

00:16:43.640 called a hero

00:16:44.320 and went to visit

00:16:45.040 and paid the bail for

00:16:46.120 and all that stuff.

00:16:48.420 So the riots

00:16:49.280 happened in Kenosha

00:16:49.900 after Jacob Blake

00:16:50.780 was shot.

00:16:51.380 By the way,

00:16:51.760 it's still come out.

00:16:52.440 It's come out since

00:16:53.020 that he had a knife

00:16:53.740 and he threatened

00:16:54.400 the police officers.

00:16:55.640 So anyway,

00:16:56.500 that's, you know,

00:16:57.960 like so many of these riots,

00:16:59.200 it's like,

00:16:59.960 you didn't know

00:17:00.380 the full story.

00:17:01.320 Go, go back.

00:17:02.240 Go sit on your couch.

00:17:03.580 There's no reason

00:17:04.100 to burn shit.

00:17:05.360 Jacob Blake

00:17:05.980 resisted arrest,

00:17:07.040 punched a cop

00:17:07.620 and pulled a knife on him.

00:17:08.580 All right,

00:17:09.120 take a seat.

00:17:10.340 Anywho,

00:17:11.020 you go,

00:17:12.240 you cover the thing

00:17:13.100 and you see Kyle Rittenhouse

00:17:14.160 and just tell us

00:17:14.700 how that started

00:17:15.360 and what your impressions

00:17:16.020 of him were.

00:17:16.660 I think that that story

00:17:18.800 is very interesting

00:17:19.820 because basically

00:17:20.800 the way that I came

00:17:21.800 to talk to Kyle

00:17:22.600 actually started

00:17:23.660 the night before.

00:17:24.880 Shelby and I

00:17:25.500 were walking past

00:17:26.300 that same business

00:17:27.620 that Kyle was in front of

00:17:28.500 when I interviewed him,

00:17:29.040 which is one of the

00:17:29.620 car source businesses

00:17:30.460 that he was defending.

00:17:31.940 That's car source one

00:17:33.040 and actually the shooting

00:17:34.900 took place in another

00:17:35.620 car source lot,

00:17:36.320 which is just up the street.

00:17:37.720 So we saw that business,

00:17:39.500 all the cars in front of it

00:17:40.900 were burning

00:17:41.460 and there were guys

00:17:42.740 with one guy

00:17:43.700 with a power washer

00:17:44.500 and no joke people

00:17:45.400 with buckets

00:17:46.600 and trash cans

00:17:47.720 full of water

00:17:48.320 dumping them

00:17:48.940 on these burning cars.

00:17:50.600 And so we interviewed

00:17:51.100 the guy as he's power washing

00:17:52.340 and we asked him

00:17:54.140 why he was there

00:17:55.140 and he basically told us

00:17:56.500 that he was hired

00:17:58.060 to go out there

00:17:58.780 because the fire department

00:17:59.780 wasn't responding.

00:18:01.120 And so the next day

00:18:02.520 we were in front of the courthouse

00:18:03.600 covering all the violence,

00:18:04.860 you know,

00:18:05.340 the tear gas came out,

00:18:07.500 they pushed everybody

00:18:08.460 back from the fence,

00:18:09.660 very standard kind of

00:18:10.780 situation happening

00:18:12.180 in front of whatever

00:18:12.900 building it is

00:18:13.540 that they're trying to,

00:18:14.460 you know,

00:18:15.040 burn or whatever

00:18:16.900 they're trying to do,

00:18:17.820 put graffiti on,

00:18:18.780 throw fireworks at.

00:18:19.940 And so they get pushed away

00:18:20.780 from that courthouse

00:18:21.560 and end up in front of that

00:18:23.140 car source business.

00:18:24.380 And I went inside

00:18:25.600 because there was

00:18:26.060 such poor internet

00:18:26.820 to try to get on the Wi-Fi

00:18:28.180 to get all of that coverage

00:18:29.600 of what happened

00:18:30.220 in front of the courthouse up

00:18:31.100 and I saw these armed individuals

00:18:32.500 in front of that same business

00:18:34.420 on Twitter

00:18:35.420 and I was like,

00:18:35.940 oh, I have to go.

00:18:37.260 I just dropped what I was doing

00:18:38.140 and I walked straight out the hotel,

00:18:39.280 which is right next to that business,

00:18:40.440 the Stella Hotel,

00:18:41.500 and walked right out there

00:18:43.140 and Kyle was standing

00:18:44.320 in front of everybody else

00:18:45.360 and I basically just said,

00:18:46.660 hey, does anybody want

00:18:47.280 to do an interview

00:18:47.840 about why you guys are out here?

00:18:49.300 And Kyle immediately

00:18:50.320 volunteered himself.

00:18:51.980 And that is where

00:18:52.460 he told you the following,

00:18:53.600 which would wind up

00:18:54.260 becoming relevant

00:18:55.600 later at his trial

00:18:57.740 for having shot three people,

00:19:00.020 two of whom died.

00:19:00.940 Here's soundbite one.

00:19:03.260 So people are getting injured

00:19:04.660 and our job

00:19:06.080 is to protect this business

00:19:07.000 and part of my job

00:19:08.020 is to also help people.

00:19:09.160 If there's somebody hurt,

00:19:10.200 I'm running into harm's way.

00:19:11.800 That's why I have my rifle

00:19:12.740 because I need to protect myself,

00:19:14.240 obviously.

00:19:15.060 But I also have my med kit.

00:19:15.940 That's you.

00:19:17.940 That's your that's your interview.

00:19:21.120 That's what's so big

00:19:21.980 because it would have been

00:19:23.060 one thing, Richie,

00:19:23.780 if he had just taken

00:19:24.640 taken the stand and said,

00:19:26.020 I went there to help people.

00:19:28.240 That's what that was my intention.

00:19:29.440 It's quite another

00:19:30.140 if you've got him on camera

00:19:31.400 before anything happened,

00:19:32.580 telling some journalist,

00:19:34.040 you know what I mean?

00:19:34.360 It was very helpful to him

00:19:35.700 that you and he had that exchange.

00:19:38.980 Yeah.

00:19:39.140 And the interesting thing is

00:19:40.220 when I after the shooting,

00:19:41.420 I saw so much different

00:19:43.480 misinformation being passed

00:19:44.740 around about how the shooting

00:19:46.060 actually took place.

00:19:47.060 Having been so close to it,

00:19:48.880 you know, I knew what happened

00:19:50.460 because it was 10 feet

00:19:51.300 in front of me.

00:19:52.020 But the moment that I went out

00:19:54.060 and relayed information

00:19:55.220 like that to the public,

00:19:56.420 the first show I went on

00:19:57.860 was Tucker's show.

00:19:59.040 It was immediately

00:20:00.000 started to be distorted.

00:20:01.420 You know, McGinnis supported

00:20:02.400 the conservative claim

00:20:03.280 that Rittenhouse acted

00:20:04.140 in self-defense.

00:20:05.180 And it's like, no,

00:20:05.780 I literally told him

00:20:07.200 why Kyle told me he was there

00:20:09.000 13 minutes before the shooting.

00:20:10.560 And so those kind of

00:20:11.680 objective observations

00:20:12.600 and facts and quotes

00:20:14.140 it's it just goes to show

00:20:15.880 how they get manipulated

00:20:16.800 to kind of fit

00:20:17.660 whatever narrative agenda

00:20:19.160 that particular news outlet

00:20:21.160 wants to mold.

00:20:22.100 I mean, this is so critical

00:20:23.040 because, you know,

00:20:23.960 I understand what Kyle

00:20:24.840 went through.

00:20:25.400 And for him,

00:20:25.800 this is absolutely about

00:20:26.980 a criminal justice

00:20:28.360 travesty averted.

00:20:30.960 But this is also

00:20:32.780 very much a media story

00:20:34.420 and a Democrat spin story

00:20:37.040 because it wasn't just

00:20:37.920 the media piling

00:20:38.660 on Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:20:40.260 It was everyone right up

00:20:41.420 to the president

00:20:41.940 of the United States.

00:20:42.680 I mean, the trying

00:20:44.940 to tell us that he was

00:20:45.760 a white supremacist

00:20:46.820 in a case in which

00:20:48.220 no black people

00:20:49.980 were shot.

00:20:50.760 Right.

00:20:51.120 Like this wasn't about

00:20:52.260 Kyle going there

00:20:53.540 and hurting black people.

00:20:54.860 All of the people

00:20:55.520 who were shot were white.

00:20:57.260 Kyle's white.

00:20:58.460 It was on the heels

00:20:59.420 of a black man

00:21:02.080 being shot by police.

00:21:04.080 But he was there

00:21:05.500 to keep the peace

00:21:06.580 right from from

00:21:07.840 rioters in a city.

00:21:09.220 I said before,

00:21:10.700 I don't think

00:21:11.160 that was a good idea

00:21:11.960 for a 17 year old

00:21:13.060 to show up there

00:21:13.640 and try to keep the peace.

00:21:15.200 But the truth is

00:21:15.740 the the governor

00:21:16.660 wasn't doing it.

00:21:17.620 So there were a lot

00:21:18.060 of people like Kyle

00:21:18.740 who thought I have

00:21:19.860 an obligation

00:21:20.340 to go protect this city.

00:21:22.440 Absolutely.

00:21:23.000 And I think that

00:21:23.660 is the first failure

00:21:25.040 where the institutions

00:21:26.000 that are supposed

00:21:26.540 to protect those

00:21:27.520 businesses like

00:21:28.580 the fire department

00:21:29.240 and the police

00:21:30.040 department obviously

00:21:31.120 failed.

00:21:31.480 And the fact

00:21:32.740 that they had,

00:21:34.300 for example,

00:21:34.720 an FBI surveillance

00:21:35.720 plane flying

00:21:36.760 over this protest,

00:21:37.840 the fact that they

00:21:38.420 had drones flying

00:21:39.180 over it,

00:21:39.660 it goes to show

00:21:40.300 that, you know,

00:21:40.960 the federal government,

00:21:41.960 federal law enforcement,

00:21:42.740 they knew that

00:21:44.160 this was getting bad.

00:21:45.000 I mean, this is

00:21:45.340 the third night

00:21:45.980 of rioting.

00:21:46.760 So why is it

00:21:47.720 that with everybody

00:21:49.020 paying that much

00:21:49.740 attention to it

00:21:50.380 in our federal

00:21:50.960 law enforcement agencies,

00:21:52.680 why is it that

00:21:53.420 law enforcement

00:21:55.060 in general

00:21:55.480 was so absent

00:21:56.240 from, you know,

00:21:57.360 all of those businesses

00:21:58.220 that were getting

00:21:58.680 burned down?

00:21:59.900 Why is it?

00:22:00.280 I mean,

00:22:02.300 it's a very good

00:22:03.220 question.

00:22:03.720 I've, that actually

00:22:05.100 is something that

00:22:05.760 I'm trying to,

00:22:06.400 you know,

00:22:06.780 dig a little bit

00:22:07.340 deeper to figure

00:22:08.400 out exact,

00:22:09.540 because that's not

00:22:10.000 my area of expertise,

00:22:12.040 kind of like,

00:22:12.740 you know,

00:22:13.020 how exactly the

00:22:14.440 decisions were made

00:22:15.320 for the National

00:22:16.180 Guard for,

00:22:17.100 you know,

00:22:17.620 did the governor

00:22:18.300 allow this to happen?

00:22:20.920 Did it,

00:22:21.640 was it offered?

00:22:22.440 So I'm,

00:22:23.340 that there'll be

00:22:23.780 more of that

00:22:24.320 and I'm digging

00:22:24.840 more into that,

00:22:25.560 but I think that's

00:22:26.640 definitely the first

00:22:27.460 critical failure

00:22:28.120 that even,

00:22:28.640 you know,

00:22:29.120 a kid like Kyle

00:22:29.620 Rittenhouse

00:22:29.940 would think

00:22:30.500 that he should

00:22:30.960 go out

00:22:31.240 in the first

00:22:31.580 place.

00:22:32.320 Didn't we have,

00:22:32.880 didn't we have

00:22:33.360 a blue state

00:22:35.020 governor,

00:22:35.520 a democratic

00:22:35.960 governor who

00:22:36.600 didn't want

00:22:37.100 to upset

00:22:37.860 the BLM

00:22:39.520 crowd by

00:22:40.760 looking over

00:22:41.620 militarized

00:22:42.600 in the face

00:22:43.460 of these riots?

00:22:44.200 He'd rather

00:22:44.540 let the city

00:22:45.120 burn.

00:22:45.600 He didn't,

00:22:46.000 he didn't care.

00:22:46.660 And it's really

00:22:49.080 interesting for me

00:22:49.960 to having seen

00:22:50.660 the protests

00:22:51.120 across the

00:22:51.500 country,

00:22:51.720 the way that

00:22:52.240 different law

00:22:52.700 enforcement

00:22:53.080 handles,

00:22:54.440 you know,

00:22:55.220 civil unrest

00:22:56.160 and in D.C.

00:22:57.460 I mean,

00:22:57.720 these guys deal

00:22:58.260 with it obviously

00:22:58.740 more than anybody.

00:23:00.140 They know what

00:23:00.580 to do.

00:23:01.300 I mean,

00:23:01.480 they are keeping

00:23:01.960 this crowd

00:23:02.440 effectively like

00:23:03.140 contained on the

00:23:04.160 street.

00:23:04.500 There's police

00:23:04.880 on both sides.

00:23:05.600 So if parts

00:23:06.700 of those crowds

00:23:07.280 are going down

00:23:07.760 side streets,

00:23:08.400 they have eyes

00:23:09.320 on,

00:23:09.720 you know,

00:23:09.840 they're following

00:23:10.400 them.

00:23:10.960 They're extremely

00:23:11.780 organized.

00:23:12.320 They protect the

00:23:12.800 protesters from

00:23:13.640 car traffic,

00:23:14.980 all that different

00:23:15.560 stuff.

00:23:16.600 In this sleepy

00:23:17.500 city,

00:23:18.180 Kenosha,

00:23:18.660 they don't know

00:23:19.160 how to do that.

00:23:19.900 So the way

00:23:21.260 that they dealt

00:23:21.860 with it was far

00:23:22.700 less,

00:23:23.160 you know,

00:23:23.920 effective,

00:23:24.500 far less

00:23:24.800 professional.

00:23:25.580 They were using

00:23:26.100 like long range

00:23:26.840 acoustic devices

00:23:28.780 like these loud

00:23:29.560 sirens.

00:23:30.460 They were using

00:23:31.140 a lot of tear gas,

00:23:32.440 a lot of pepper

00:23:32.940 balls.

00:23:33.660 And in D.C.,

00:23:34.840 you don't see

00:23:35.420 they kind of

00:23:36.460 treat the

00:23:37.140 group with

00:23:38.220 almost white

00:23:39.140 gloves a little

00:23:39.900 bit more,

00:23:40.240 you know,

00:23:40.380 almost treat

00:23:40.860 them like a

00:23:41.420 kindergarten class

00:23:42.120 if they're

00:23:42.340 taking on a

00:23:42.760 field trip.

00:23:43.880 But they have

00:23:44.780 so much

00:23:45.580 law enforcement

00:23:46.780 overseeing it

00:23:47.620 and making sure

00:23:48.100 that people who

00:23:48.660 leave are being

00:23:49.420 watched,

00:23:49.940 et cetera.

00:23:50.560 So there was

00:23:51.580 none of that

00:23:51.980 in Kenosha.

00:23:52.860 And I don't

00:23:53.360 necessarily blame

00:23:54.120 the police there

00:23:55.000 because they

00:23:55.520 don't know how

00:23:55.960 to handle those

00:23:56.380 kind of situations.

00:23:57.000 But moving

00:23:57.420 forward,

00:23:58.020 it's like,

00:23:58.860 you know,

00:23:59.060 who do we have

00:23:59.660 who knows how

00:24:00.040 to do that?

00:24:01.060 Yeah.

00:24:01.460 I mean,

00:24:02.320 I don't think

00:24:03.060 Kyle made a good

00:24:03.720 decision to go

00:24:04.380 there that night.

00:24:04.940 I think he

00:24:05.300 admits that too.

00:24:06.140 But you can

00:24:07.060 understand that

00:24:07.860 people in and

00:24:08.560 around the area

00:24:09.140 felt like nobody

00:24:10.460 was there to

00:24:11.060 protect the

00:24:12.000 businesses,

00:24:12.840 the people that

00:24:14.140 they had just

00:24:14.580 surrendered to

00:24:15.320 rioters who we

00:24:16.720 now know are

00:24:17.220 rioting over

00:24:17.840 nothing.

00:24:18.640 Honestly,

00:24:19.120 over nothing.

00:24:19.620 Jacob Blake was

00:24:20.620 the aggressor,

00:24:21.400 right?

00:24:21.620 We know that now.

00:24:22.420 So it's like,

00:24:22.840 wait for the

00:24:23.480 facts to play out.

00:24:24.460 None of this

00:24:24.760 had to happen.

00:24:26.280 So you not

00:24:27.060 only spoke to

00:24:27.740 Kyle moments

00:24:28.320 before he found

00:24:29.520 himself embroiled

00:24:30.820 in these three

00:24:31.520 situations,

00:24:32.140 but you were

00:24:33.700 embroiled in

00:24:34.640 the first one.

00:24:35.680 And I know

00:24:36.340 this was traumatic

00:24:37.580 for you as a

00:24:38.640 as a human,

00:24:39.620 as a man.

00:24:41.700 The first man

00:24:42.800 that Kyle shot,

00:24:43.880 I think we can

00:24:44.760 stipulate,

00:24:45.600 was not a good

00:24:46.560 man.

00:24:47.660 Joseph Rosenbaum

00:24:48.460 was a convicted

00:24:49.200 child molester.

00:24:52.120 That's not to say

00:24:52.980 he deserved to be

00:24:53.620 shot,

00:24:54.000 but he was the

00:24:54.540 aggressor and

00:24:55.160 Kyle shot him

00:24:55.800 in self-defense.

00:24:56.720 So, you know,

00:24:57.140 so legally he

00:24:58.220 deserved to be

00:24:58.700 shot.

00:24:58.900 But that

00:25:00.380 doesn't make it

00:25:00.960 any easier for

00:25:01.740 you to hold

00:25:03.560 the man's head

00:25:04.560 as he's bleeding

00:25:05.640 and dying.

00:25:06.760 So can we just

00:25:07.220 start with that

00:25:08.240 aspect of it?

00:25:09.840 Exactly.

00:25:10.220 Well, so after

00:25:10.980 the trial,

00:25:11.820 you know,

00:25:12.040 I obviously

00:25:12.660 stayed silent

00:25:13.340 since then,

00:25:14.020 but I'm kind

00:25:14.940 of envisioning

00:25:15.980 what my role

00:25:16.620 is now that

00:25:17.260 it's no longer

00:25:17.860 witness.

00:25:18.980 And I saw

00:25:20.340 all that firsthand

00:25:21.040 and when I saw

00:25:21.660 it, I didn't

00:25:21.960 know anything

00:25:22.360 about his

00:25:22.760 background.

00:25:23.380 I didn't know

00:25:23.920 what that guy's

00:25:24.760 criminal history

00:25:25.260 was.

00:25:25.640 I wasn't going

00:25:26.000 to, even if I

00:25:26.980 had have asked

00:25:27.500 him, you know,

00:25:28.100 there was blood

00:25:28.480 in his lungs.

00:25:28.900 He couldn't

00:25:29.180 say anything.

00:25:30.000 So my only

00:25:30.900 goal there was

00:25:32.020 really to comfort

00:25:32.660 him.

00:25:33.700 And actually, my

00:25:34.580 dad passed away

00:25:35.200 right when I

00:25:35.580 started at the

00:25:36.000 Daily Caller.

00:25:36.920 And I had an

00:25:37.820 experience when he

00:25:38.860 passed away where

00:25:39.620 our whole family

00:25:40.480 was there.

00:25:41.060 We got him home

00:25:41.680 from the hospital.

00:25:42.700 He saw the nurse

00:25:43.320 leave the room and

00:25:44.520 he knew that was

00:25:45.080 his time to go.

00:25:46.220 And we all hugged

00:25:46.940 him.

00:25:47.140 My older brother,

00:25:47.720 who's an ER

00:25:48.200 doc as well, he

00:25:50.240 put a stethoscope

00:25:51.140 on his heart and

00:25:51.860 we were telling him

00:25:53.280 stories and holding

00:25:54.460 him as he passed

00:25:55.060 away.

00:25:55.460 And he chose to

00:25:56.500 leave.

00:25:56.720 He saw the

00:25:57.640 nurse leave and

00:25:58.120 he chose to leave

00:25:58.660 the world in that

00:25:59.320 moment.

00:26:00.140 And so there was a

00:26:00.760 certain piece there

00:26:02.520 and it was the

00:26:03.920 exact opposite with

00:26:04.720 Joseph Rosenbaum.

00:26:05.940 And I think that

00:26:06.280 there's a very, I

00:26:08.680 guess, disturbing and

00:26:09.860 interesting parallel

00:26:10.580 there, which is my

00:26:12.060 dad, I think, felt like

00:26:13.960 he was ready to go.

00:26:14.620 He felt like his

00:26:15.500 boys were ready to go

00:26:16.400 out into the world and

00:26:17.140 he had done his job.

00:26:17.920 And I think that

00:26:19.200 that's an example of

00:26:20.020 a life fulfilled in

00:26:21.020 America.

00:26:21.360 And Joseph Rosenbaum is

00:26:22.660 an example of a life

00:26:23.940 completely unfulfilled.

00:26:24.980 And he was abused,

00:26:25.920 sexually abused,

00:26:26.440 actually at a young

00:26:26.940 age and so by his

00:26:28.520 stepdad.

00:26:29.380 And so to see actually

00:26:30.460 some of the people that

00:26:31.180 he sexually abused are

00:26:32.360 also now incarcerated.

00:26:33.380 So that kind of cycle

00:26:35.600 of tragedy that

00:26:36.640 surrounded his family

00:26:37.900 is expanding beyond

00:26:39.060 his own family.

00:26:39.960 And my only goal now

00:26:42.760 moving forward is just

00:26:43.740 to put that tragedy,

00:26:46.700 what happened in the

00:26:48.000 actual moment, the

00:26:48.640 human suffering that

00:26:49.460 took place, regardless

00:26:51.240 of what this guy's

00:26:52.000 criminal history is.

00:26:52.640 Because in America,

00:26:53.700 you know, we believe

00:26:54.240 that everybody is born

00:26:55.060 in the image of God

00:26:55.760 and that up until the

00:26:56.600 moment that they die,

00:26:57.460 they have the

00:26:57.900 opportunity to repent

00:26:58.980 for what they've done.

00:27:00.400 And, you know, he

00:27:01.740 left the world knowing

00:27:02.940 that he had done bad

00:27:04.100 things.

00:27:04.820 And I saw it in his

00:27:05.900 eyes.

00:27:06.220 I saw that regret.

00:27:07.500 And I think just

00:27:09.260 conveying that to the

00:27:10.100 public, that regret,

00:27:11.340 is an important thing

00:27:12.860 because in America,

00:27:14.340 everybody wants, you

00:27:15.440 know, to die the way

00:27:15.940 that my dad did,

00:27:16.560 which is with their

00:27:17.160 family and loved

00:27:18.420 ones surrounding him

00:27:19.260 and not the way

00:27:20.020 that Rosenbaum did.

00:27:20.840 And so using those

00:27:21.960 two endings kind of

00:27:24.280 in parallel, I think

00:27:25.600 it goes to show that

00:27:27.180 you should take your

00:27:27.860 decisions in life

00:27:28.560 extremely seriously.

00:27:30.700 But can I ask you

00:27:31.300 because do you put

00:27:32.680 that on Kyle or on

00:27:33.960 Rosenbaum?

00:27:36.080 Well, that's I think

00:27:37.060 that's a great question

00:27:37.860 that I'm trying to

00:27:39.380 unpack.

00:27:39.860 And I think that that

00:27:40.420 was part of what that

00:27:41.960 piece got towards,

00:27:43.540 not necessarily the

00:27:44.820 criminal side of it,

00:27:45.680 but the more moral

00:27:47.700 side of it and

00:27:48.240 moving forward.

00:27:49.020 It's like, what kind

00:27:49.860 of behavior do we want

00:27:50.620 to encourage?

00:27:51.140 Who are the people

00:27:51.540 that we're looking up

00:27:52.220 to in this situation?

00:27:53.460 You know, I think that

00:27:54.420 Joseph Rosenbaum,

00:27:56.500 obviously, I stated in

00:27:57.420 court, he screamed,

00:27:58.580 fuck you right before

00:27:59.440 he went for the weapon.

00:28:00.360 And the way that he

00:28:01.560 said, fuck you, I

00:28:02.440 will never forget it.

00:28:03.300 I mean, there's so much

00:28:03.920 anger behind those words.

00:28:05.120 And I don't know what

00:28:06.760 would have happened if he

00:28:07.440 had to grab that weapon.

00:28:08.360 I don't think it would

00:28:09.080 have turned out well for

00:28:09.840 Kyle Rittenhouse in any

00:28:11.620 way, shape or form.

00:28:12.440 But with all that being

00:28:14.660 said, you know, that

00:28:16.500 situation going out

00:28:17.820 there, and this is

00:28:19.680 something I try to put

00:28:20.320 into words, but it's

00:28:20.960 almost difficult to

00:28:21.800 express how stupid Kyle

00:28:24.020 going away from that

00:28:24.940 business alone with a

00:28:26.220 fire extinguisher in one

00:28:27.140 hand, with his med

00:28:27.900 pack.

00:28:28.840 And, you know,

00:28:29.340 originally Bulge was

00:28:31.240 with him.

00:28:31.880 Ryan Bulge was with

00:28:32.620 him.

00:28:33.240 And he was walking

00:28:34.800 alongside actually me,

00:28:36.660 Kyle and Bulge were all

00:28:37.680 walking.

00:28:38.780 And actually, I went to

00:28:40.840 talk to some individuals

00:28:41.640 who were shouting at

00:28:42.340 Kyle because he was

00:28:43.020 going medical, medical.

00:28:43.920 And I would say like 90%

00:28:44.940 of the people in the

00:28:45.480 crowd, you can see in

00:28:46.160 parts of my video, looking

00:28:47.340 at him very, very

00:28:48.120 angrily.

00:28:48.700 And he just was

00:28:49.420 completely naive, had no

00:28:50.900 clue the negative looks

00:28:52.580 that he was getting, all

00:28:53.360 the all the yells.

00:28:54.340 So these four guys who

00:28:57.860 yelled at him, I wanted to

00:28:58.680 interview them and see why

00:28:59.800 they were mad at him.

00:29:00.720 And I went to talk to

00:29:01.560 them.

00:29:01.720 And that's when I parted

00:29:02.360 ways with Kyle.

00:29:03.200 Over the course of that

00:29:04.040 time, him and Bulge got

00:29:05.280 separated and he ran off

00:29:06.520 on his own down to another

00:29:08.040 fire at the other car

00:29:08.880 source lot.

00:29:09.680 And he actually, it came

00:29:10.620 out in court, he asked

00:29:11.480 some of the other

00:29:12.120 individuals if they wanted

00:29:13.080 to come and they

00:29:13.740 declined.

00:29:14.920 So he went out there

00:29:15.720 alone with a fire

00:29:16.620 extinguisher, a med kit

00:29:17.700 and a rifle.

00:29:19.760 And in that instance,

00:29:20.840 you know, he's trying to

00:29:21.340 play not only medic, not

00:29:23.220 only fireman, but also

00:29:24.440 cop.

00:29:25.520 And so the level of

00:29:26.960 stupidity of that

00:29:27.980 decision, I think, is

00:29:29.520 something that

00:29:30.360 conservatives would want

00:29:31.460 to overlook and that,

00:29:32.820 you know, the lefties

00:29:34.520 would want to emphasize.

00:29:35.960 And then the Rosenbaum

00:29:36.720 aspect of him screaming,

00:29:38.240 fuck you, going for the

00:29:39.560 weapon and missing and

00:29:40.820 being shot.

00:29:42.140 And what would have

00:29:42.900 happened if he had

00:29:43.440 gotten that rifle?

00:29:44.080 That's something that

00:29:44.580 the, you know, it's

00:29:46.700 basically one side or the

00:29:47.640 other.

00:29:47.880 It's you're highlighting

00:29:48.480 certain facts based upon

00:29:49.660 what your agenda is.

00:29:51.780 Right.

00:29:52.040 And it's more complicated.

00:29:53.440 It's right.

00:29:53.800 You're trying to point out

00:29:54.760 it's more complicated.

00:29:56.040 Yes, I get it.

00:29:56.880 I totally get this.

00:29:59.040 100 percent, Richie.

00:29:59.920 I feel like I defended

00:30:01.580 Kyle from a legal

00:30:02.940 perspective every day.

00:30:04.940 I just it was very

00:30:06.160 clearly a self-defense

00:30:07.120 case and he was being

00:30:08.220 railroaded.

00:30:09.140 And thank God those

00:30:10.700 jurors did the right

00:30:11.780 thing and justice

00:30:12.520 prevailed.

00:30:13.700 But we can talk

00:30:15.560 honestly about whether

00:30:16.520 this was a good idea

00:30:17.640 for a 17 year old to

00:30:19.560 try to go there and

00:30:20.320 keep the peace, because

00:30:21.140 you know, you point out

00:30:22.200 some of the things he

00:30:23.240 failed to observe.

00:30:24.660 That's in part due to

00:30:25.600 his youth, his

00:30:26.420 inexperience.

00:30:27.000 Exactly.

00:30:27.360 A 17 year old doesn't

00:30:27.940 know shit.

00:30:28.500 They don't know anything.

00:30:29.900 You're you just I don't

00:30:31.000 know.

00:30:31.080 How old were you when

00:30:31.640 this went down?

00:30:33.640 32, 30.

00:30:34.720 No, I was 31.

00:30:36.160 So you've got, you

00:30:36.980 know, over 10 years on

00:30:37.820 the guy, almost almost

00:30:38.920 15 years on him.

00:30:39.840 You're a journalist.

00:30:40.520 You've been in rough

00:30:41.080 spots.

00:30:42.120 You've seen a bit of the

00:30:43.480 world and you're seeing

00:30:44.780 things he's not seeing.

00:30:46.320 And that's one of the

00:30:46.900 reasons why we don't

00:30:48.180 generally put somebody out

00:30:49.220 in this kind of

00:30:49.660 situation to keep the

00:30:50.500 peace without some

00:30:51.580 training like we give to

00:30:52.920 law enforcement officers or

00:30:54.520 the National Guard.

00:30:55.880 And again, we talked

00:30:56.680 about the fact that they

00:30:57.300 weren't sent, but that

00:30:58.180 there's a reason why we

00:30:59.640 don't send 17 year

00:31:00.760 minors out there with no

00:31:02.060 training to keep the

00:31:03.760 peace in this way.

00:31:04.460 They're they're not

00:31:05.120 sophisticated in in this

00:31:07.220 kind of situation.

00:31:08.100 And what you're telling

00:31:09.060 me is you could see it

00:31:10.840 and you could see how it

00:31:11.960 was going to play into

00:31:12.840 Kyle's Kyle's being in

00:31:14.840 danger.

00:31:15.400 Never mind other.

00:31:15.960 Yes.

00:31:16.220 And I have regret.

00:31:17.260 Honestly, I was playing

00:31:18.720 the role of fly on the

00:31:19.560 wall journalist there.

00:31:20.580 If it had been my younger

00:31:21.500 brother, the moment that I

00:31:22.620 saw him, I would have

00:31:23.020 dragged him out by his

00:31:23.680 ear.

00:31:24.600 So that thinking about

00:31:25.940 the, you know, differences

00:31:27.260 in those roles, obviously

00:31:28.220 after Rosenbaum was shot,

00:31:29.320 I dropped my role as

00:31:30.880 journalist.

00:31:31.620 But I, I almost, you

00:31:33.380 know, I'm not almost, I

00:31:34.420 mean, I think about it all

00:31:35.060 the time, you know, if I

00:31:36.200 had done it earlier, but

00:31:37.140 that really, it's not our

00:31:38.900 role to go out there and

00:31:39.700 like admonish the people,

00:31:40.720 you know, people always

00:31:41.180 say, oh, and he gave this

00:31:42.120 riot or a friendly

00:31:42.920 interview or whatever.

00:31:43.600 It's like, what am I

00:31:44.340 going to tell him?

00:31:44.820 Did you know that you're

00:31:45.520 not allowed to burn that

00:31:46.220 burn down that building?

00:31:47.800 Um, so it's actually on

00:31:50.740 that night in Kenosha, uh,

00:31:52.720 there was one attempted

00:31:53.540 mugging on the previous

00:31:54.340 night.

00:31:54.620 There was another one

00:31:55.200 guys trying to take my

00:31:56.200 phone off of me.

00:31:56.800 And what do I do in that

00:31:57.900 situation?

00:31:58.660 You know, you create a

00:31:59.220 little bit of distraction.

00:32:00.060 Oh yeah, this thing's

00:32:00.600 really, and then you're

00:32:01.140 running, you're, you're

00:32:02.160 looking at your exit point

00:32:03.500 and you're gone and

00:32:04.480 you're sprinting until

00:32:05.360 there's nobody behind

00:32:06.240 you.

00:32:06.580 No, they, they wanted,

00:32:07.720 they wanted Brian

00:32:08.540 Stelter journalism.

00:32:09.920 You better go home right

00:32:11.100 now or I'm going to

00:32:12.080 report you to the

00:32:12.740 principal.

00:32:13.340 Right.

00:32:13.580 And we saw how that

00:32:14.360 ended for him.

00:32:15.140 Like, yes, during, during

00:32:15.940 the insurrection, I was

00:32:17.000 criticized for giving the

00:32:18.280 guy smoking weed, a

00:32:19.080 friendly interview.

00:32:20.020 And it's like, what am I

00:32:22.100 supposed to tell him?

00:32:22.540 You're not allowed to

00:32:23.280 smoke weed in the

00:32:23.820 Capitol.

00:32:24.300 Is that what I'm

00:32:24.780 supposed to tell him?

00:32:26.820 That's not my job.

00:32:27.880 By the way, I voted for

00:32:28.700 the shrooms.

00:32:29.480 All right, stand by.

00:32:31.200 We're going to, we're

00:32:32.180 going to show you the

00:32:32.720 video, um, that Richie

00:32:34.900 was involved in and talk

00:32:35.860 about.

00:32:36.340 Um, now there's, there's

00:32:37.400 blowback on him for

00:32:38.520 saying what he just

00:32:39.160 said.

00:32:39.480 Uh, so we'll get into

00:32:40.180 that in January 6th as

00:32:41.460 well.

00:32:45.940 Richie, there was this

00:32:48.340 moment, we'll get to your

00:32:49.260 thoughts on Kyle in one

00:32:50.020 second, but there was

00:32:50.780 this moment where you,

00:32:52.720 uh, capturing the event

00:32:54.420 on camera and so on also

00:32:55.500 become part of the event.

00:32:56.900 And that is when Joseph

00:32:58.560 Rosenbaum, uh, who would

00:33:00.200 wind up dead that night,

00:33:01.500 got into the scuffle with

00:33:03.560 Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:33:04.240 And we're just going to

00:33:05.100 show the audience, um,

00:33:07.040 the video and maybe you

00:33:08.460 can explain like you can

00:33:10.840 see it too.

00:33:11.280 Maybe you can explain

00:33:12.080 where you are as we

00:33:13.700 watch this.

00:33:14.200 This is like, cause this

00:33:15.740 guy Rosenbaum ran after

00:33:16.940 Kyle and, um, Kyle then

00:33:20.180 had a confrontation with

00:33:21.020 him.

00:33:21.220 Let's, let's show it.

00:33:22.220 Maybe you can talk us

00:33:23.000 through it.

00:33:23.820 Yep.

00:33:24.560 There's a figure in the

00:33:25.260 foreground.

00:33:25.680 Who's that?

00:33:26.420 That guy right in the

00:33:27.480 foreground is Kyle.

00:33:28.160 Boom.

00:33:28.400 There's Rosenbaum dead.

00:33:29.320 And that's me right back

00:33:30.680 behind there.

00:33:31.260 That's you with the dark

00:33:31.920 shorts.

00:33:32.340 He's still alive at that.

00:33:33.640 Um, so I was actually

00:33:34.340 wearing, uh, pants that

00:33:36.320 actually belong to my dad,

00:33:37.500 which I found in his

00:33:38.320 closet after he passed

00:33:39.060 away.

00:33:39.340 So they're my lucky

00:33:39.900 rye pants.

00:33:41.060 Oh, wow.

00:33:41.820 Okay.

00:33:42.980 So you were right there.

00:33:43.920 I mean, you couldn't be

00:33:44.680 more of an eyewitness to

00:33:46.140 that actual shooting.

00:33:48.000 Yes.

00:33:48.440 And my boss will never

00:33:50.660 let me hear the end of

00:33:51.340 it, but I actually was on

00:33:52.440 the phone with Shelby

00:33:53.120 because I heard some

00:33:54.420 screaming.

00:33:54.780 I saw Kyle running up the

00:33:55.760 street with the fire

00:33:56.980 extinguisher and assume

00:33:58.200 that something was about

00:33:58.780 to go down.

00:33:59.340 So I called Shelby up and

00:34:00.600 I was like, where are

00:34:01.280 you?

00:34:01.940 It sounds like something

00:34:02.740 dangerous is going to

00:34:03.640 happen.

00:34:04.280 And actually I was jogging

00:34:05.740 up and I jogged up to

00:34:06.980 that confrontation started

00:34:08.560 with some people yelling.

00:34:09.740 The moment I heard that

00:34:10.540 yelling, I said, oh, uh,

00:34:12.600 some expletive.

00:34:13.780 I can't remember.

00:34:14.460 I got to go to Shelby.

00:34:15.400 I hung up on her and I

00:34:16.960 thought I went to my

00:34:17.840 can't.

00:34:18.880 I went, did go to my

00:34:19.640 camera app.

00:34:20.080 I thought I went to the

00:34:20.680 video, but I actually took

00:34:21.600 a live photo of the

00:34:22.460 ground.

00:34:22.880 So you can see me with my

00:34:23.920 hands up.

00:34:24.260 I thought I was filming,

00:34:24.940 but actually took a live

00:34:26.940 photo.

00:34:27.260 So, um, in that instance,

00:34:29.940 uh, after he was shot,

00:34:31.500 you know, all of that

00:34:32.460 went out the window

00:34:33.040 anyways, whose video is

00:34:34.680 that that one right there

00:34:37.000 that you saw from the air

00:34:37.920 that was, uh, federal law

00:34:40.220 enforcement had a

00:34:41.040 surveillance drone.

00:34:42.200 Um, but then the first one

00:34:43.500 that you saw that that was

00:34:44.360 drew Hernandez, who was

00:34:45.880 also traveling around the

00:34:46.820 country, uh, you know,

00:34:48.320 covering all this stuff,

00:34:49.300 uh, independent journalist

00:34:50.840 who, I mean, that just goes

00:34:52.240 to show he works for, um,

00:34:54.720 TPSA now, but I believe at

00:34:56.880 the time he was independent

00:34:57.780 and, you know, basically

00:34:59.140 the group of people who

00:35:00.740 were there at that time

00:35:01.980 who were, who were

00:35:02.480 covering the event, I'd

00:35:03.320 seen those people all

00:35:03.980 around the country, you

00:35:04.620 know, Drew Hernandez,

00:35:06.140 uh, Brennan Gutten

00:35:07.120 Schwager, Elijah Schaefer,

00:35:09.020 me, Shelby, Jorge, and

00:35:10.760 Julio Rosas.

00:35:11.900 Uh, we, you know, saw each

00:35:13.460 other in all these

00:35:14.040 different zones and it's

00:35:15.000 like it was the, the

00:35:16.080 running joke was like,

00:35:16.920 we all come from

00:35:17.500 different parts of the

00:35:18.080 media, but like none of

00:35:19.340 us are from the corporate

00:35:20.020 media.

00:35:21.160 Yeah.

00:35:21.400 We had a lot of those

00:35:22.040 guys on the show

00:35:22.580 actually during this whole

00:35:23.660 thing, you couldn't do

00:35:24.280 it cause you were an

00:35:24.860 actual witness.

00:35:25.580 Uh, most of those guys

00:35:26.940 were not, but, um, so,

00:35:29.420 so you take the stand,

00:35:30.460 you were called as a

00:35:31.020 prosecution witness, which

00:35:32.100 was interesting cause you

00:35:32.840 were definitely, I think

00:35:33.580 more helpful net net or the

00:35:35.220 defense.

00:35:36.340 And the prosecutor really

00:35:38.200 wanted you to say that

00:35:39.760 Joseph Rosenbaum was

00:35:41.100 falling into Kyle when Kyle

00:35:44.800 shot him and you, you were

00:35:48.140 using the word lunge and he

00:35:50.140 was trying to kind of get

00:35:51.220 you on it, um, based on an

00:35:53.220 interview you'd given to

00:35:54.200 Tucker shortly after the

00:35:55.680 incident that you've

00:35:56.680 referenced earlier in this

00:35:57.640 show, uh, where I think

00:35:59.220 you would use both terms

00:36:00.380 and the prosecutor preferred

00:36:01.660 the one that he preferred

00:36:03.080 the one that made Rosenbaum

00:36:04.920 sound more innocent.

00:36:06.280 And we have a little bit of

00:36:07.820 how that went.

00:36:08.720 Watch.

00:36:09.820 No, we don't.

00:36:11.140 Yes, it is.

00:36:12.200 We don't.

00:36:13.200 Let's argue with my

00:36:14.080 producer.

00:36:15.220 Yes.

00:36:16.120 I can reenact it.

00:36:17.300 Yes, this is the soundbite.

00:36:20.160 Well, let's play it.

00:36:20.960 Sound by three.

00:36:23.180 And you've already

00:36:23.980 established that after the

00:36:25.880 shooting, Mr. Rosenbaum

00:36:27.020 never says it worked, correct?

00:36:29.860 Correct.

00:36:31.980 You don't know, as you sit

00:36:34.240 here today, what Mr.

00:36:35.980 Rosenbaum was thinking, do

00:36:37.200 you?

00:36:39.160 You mean at the time of the

00:36:40.240 shooting?

00:36:40.680 Yes.

00:36:41.400 Or at any point in his life.

00:36:43.060 I mean, you have no idea what

00:36:44.920 Mr. Rosenbaum was ever

00:36:45.880 thinking at any point in his

00:36:46.880 life.

00:36:47.420 You have never been inside

00:36:48.340 his head.

00:36:49.100 You never met him before.

00:36:50.620 You don't.

00:36:50.900 I've never even I've never

00:36:52.460 exchanged words with him.

00:36:53.720 That's what your question is.

00:36:54.980 So your interpretation of

00:36:57.140 what he was trying to do or

00:36:58.440 what he was intending to do or

00:36:59.620 anything along those lines is

00:37:01.160 complete guesswork, isn't

00:37:03.500 it?

00:37:04.580 Well, he said, fuck you.

00:37:05.880 And then he reached for the

00:37:06.860 weapon.

00:37:08.580 I mean, that was another

00:37:10.080 moment.

00:37:10.680 My producer is correct, but

00:37:12.180 that was critical.

00:37:14.220 I mean, that was critical

00:37:14.860 because you wouldn't he

00:37:16.020 wanted you to give it to

00:37:16.860 him.

00:37:17.060 I had no idea what was in

00:37:17.860 his head.

00:37:18.600 And as the eyewitness, the

00:37:19.880 closest thing other than

00:37:20.980 Kyle or Rosenbaum, you had a

00:37:22.740 very different take.

00:37:24.520 And that was where he was

00:37:25.580 trying to get me was

00:37:26.240 basically he went from

00:37:27.580 lunging for the front

00:37:28.600 portion of the rifle, which

00:37:29.780 he missed to then there's

00:37:31.260 just air.

00:37:32.240 So not only the fact that he

00:37:33.880 got shot and that would,

00:37:36.080 you know, conceivably keep

00:37:38.400 him from being able to put

00:37:39.560 his foot out to stop

00:37:40.480 himself from then falling

00:37:42.260 once he missed.

00:37:43.720 So like hashing that

00:37:45.040 out.

00:37:45.260 I mean, it's very simple

00:37:45.940 if you think about it,

00:37:46.940 like just with kind of in

00:37:49.660 normal terms.

00:37:50.460 But in the courtroom,

00:37:51.620 obviously, he was trying to

00:37:52.360 get me on my words.

00:37:53.140 And I think there was a lot

00:37:54.320 of that going on, not only

00:37:55.380 in the courtroom, in that

00:37:56.620 adversarial system, but in

00:37:57.700 the adversarial system that

00:37:58.640 exists in our media.

00:38:00.020 So it was a weird almost

00:38:00.980 like being in the courtroom

00:38:02.160 was almost like a weird

00:38:03.140 kind of, I guess,

00:38:05.340 parallel experience to being

00:38:07.120 in between the two sides

00:38:08.420 of the media.

00:38:09.820 Oh, I'm sure.

00:38:10.880 I mean, his attempt to try

00:38:11.920 to try to make Rosenbaum

00:38:13.300 appear like, oh, he just

00:38:14.320 stumbled into the gun and

00:38:15.980 Kyle, this hothead, reacted.

00:38:18.180 It failed, but it failed in

00:38:19.960 large part thanks to you.

00:38:21.160 I mean, the jurors heard you

00:38:22.360 say, I heard him yell, fuck

00:38:24.220 you, as he reached for the

00:38:25.360 gun.

00:38:25.700 I mean, that's that's pretty

00:38:26.820 powerful.

00:38:27.920 Of course, Kyle can say that

00:38:29.580 too, but that's it's not the

00:38:30.920 same as having a third

00:38:33.280 party there who has no dog in

00:38:35.500 this hunt, you know, say

00:38:37.280 that.

00:38:37.560 So it was critical.

00:38:38.600 Exactly.

00:38:39.200 But so let's get to so Kyle

00:38:41.060 was acquitted.

00:38:41.860 Thank God.

00:38:42.660 And his emotions when he was

00:38:44.580 found not guilty.

00:38:45.680 I mean, who could forget the

00:38:46.620 sight of him going down?

00:38:48.420 He was just overcome.

00:38:49.500 We were live in the air when

00:38:50.280 the verdict was read and

00:38:51.220 just so moving.

00:38:52.900 I was moved emotionally

00:38:54.560 myself watching it.

00:38:57.400 And then now you've come out

00:38:58.920 with an op ed.

00:39:00.660 And it's interesting to me,

00:39:02.380 Richie, I don't understand.

00:39:03.620 You tell me what's happening

00:39:04.560 because you're I read that

00:39:05.820 you're leaving the Daily

00:39:06.740 Wire.

00:39:07.280 You post it in Newsweek,

00:39:08.480 which, by the way,

00:39:09.000 Daily Caller, Daily Caller.

00:39:10.920 Yeah, sorry.

00:39:11.400 Daily Caller Newsweek does

00:39:13.480 post a lot of stuff from the

00:39:14.380 right from the right now

00:39:15.560 these days.

00:39:16.120 It's not wholly left.

00:39:17.360 So just because you went it's

00:39:18.320 not like you went to New York

00:39:18.960 magazine.

00:39:19.600 Right.

00:39:19.940 And then we know like

00:39:21.280 what's Richie doing?

00:39:22.540 So you post it in Newsweek.

00:39:24.760 Mike Davis has had some.

00:39:26.140 Anyway, my point is we know

00:39:27.840 nothing from the fact that

00:39:28.660 this is in Newsweek.

00:39:29.360 But what you say in Newsweek

00:39:30.740 is I was in Kenosha

00:39:32.980 two years ago.

00:39:33.960 Kyle Rittenhouse is not a hero.

00:39:36.160 And you write in the piece

00:39:37.360 that he was either

00:39:39.880 presented broadly

00:39:41.020 as a force for good

00:39:42.660 or evil.

00:39:43.880 In my view,

00:39:44.660 Kyle Rittenhouse was neither.

00:39:47.780 And some on the right

00:39:48.820 are mad at you.

00:39:50.260 They're pissed off

00:39:51.340 that you said that about Kyle,

00:39:52.780 that they feel like

00:39:53.460 you're taking shots with him

00:39:54.540 and even potentially siding

00:39:56.340 with somebody like Rosenbaum

00:39:57.720 because of things that you said,

00:39:59.380 like what you just said

00:40:00.460 on this show.

00:40:02.120 So how how do you respond

00:40:03.760 to people who are ticked off

00:40:05.360 that you don't

00:40:06.080 want to celebrate

00:40:07.500 Kyle Rittenhouse?

00:40:09.600 Well, I think for one,

00:40:11.120 the one thing that they

00:40:12.100 might not understand

00:40:12.720 is that perhaps

00:40:13.960 one of the things

00:40:14.860 that made my testimony

00:40:15.880 stronger was the fact that,

00:40:17.400 you know, I wasn't

00:40:18.740 I wasn't overtly

00:40:20.540 like a Kyle Rittenhouse fan

00:40:22.620 or I wasn't out there

00:40:23.760 to get him off.

00:40:24.720 I was out there to tell the truth.

00:40:26.020 And so that was my role

00:40:28.020 as witness.

00:40:28.480 You know, I told the facts

00:40:30.160 and I tried not to,

00:40:31.540 you know, cast my own opinions

00:40:32.940 out there because I wanted

00:40:35.460 just to stick to the facts.

00:40:36.560 And I don't want any of that

00:40:37.340 to interfere with my testimony.

00:40:38.840 But after that is all over,

00:40:41.420 you know, I stayed quiet.

00:40:42.800 You know, everybody was

00:40:43.660 some people were very angry

00:40:45.160 about the results

00:40:45.880 of the election.

00:40:46.400 Some people I'm in the results

00:40:47.700 of the of the court case.

00:40:50.840 Some people were obviously elated.

00:40:52.420 So I decided to wait

00:40:53.520 and I waited nine nine months about.

00:40:56.540 And on that anniversary,

00:40:57.560 you know, I view my role

00:40:59.080 moving forward as

00:41:00.320 returning back to that role

00:41:03.360 of like a journalist

00:41:04.580 and a person who was there

00:41:05.980 and a human being

00:41:06.580 who experienced it.

00:41:07.520 And when people read about it

00:41:08.700 in 20 years, you know,

00:41:09.860 I just I wanted to put

00:41:11.280 that personal experience

00:41:12.280 on paper, how I encountered

00:41:13.700 Kyle Rittenhouse,

00:41:14.540 how I saw him in that zone.

00:41:16.780 And then, you know,

00:41:18.180 how Joseph Rosenbaum,

00:41:19.360 not knowing his criminal history,

00:41:20.820 how I experienced that

00:41:22.140 in that moment.

00:41:23.040 So, you know, everybody

00:41:24.200 I got called a pedo lover

00:41:25.840 probably, I don't know,

00:41:27.680 hundreds of times

00:41:28.420 this last week.

00:41:29.140 I expected all that to happen.

00:41:30.600 I knew it would.

00:41:31.400 But my my goal was to show

00:41:33.220 that in the moment,

00:41:34.800 you know, the way

00:41:35.440 that you experience

00:41:36.320 these things is different

00:41:37.620 from the way that it's

00:41:38.560 then interpreted

00:41:39.420 by the media,

00:41:40.060 the way that, you know,

00:41:41.020 all the armchair quarterbacks

00:41:42.120 say you should have done

00:41:42.700 this or that.

00:41:43.380 I just wanted to provide

00:41:44.660 my human perspective on that.

00:41:47.280 And obviously,

00:41:48.440 I think the results,

00:41:49.640 you know, the response to it

00:41:51.000 kind of proved the thesis

00:41:52.080 of the article,

00:41:52.660 which is it's like,

00:41:53.780 you know, we have

00:41:54.140 these two trenches now.

00:41:55.240 Every story is interpreted

00:41:56.160 through one of those

00:41:58.780 two partisan lenses.

00:42:00.300 And if you go to try

00:42:01.220 to climb up out of that

00:42:02.200 trench and stand up

00:42:03.420 in no man's land

00:42:04.040 and, you know,

00:42:04.980 shout to one side

00:42:05.680 or the other,

00:42:06.220 you're going to get blasted.

00:42:07.400 So I think that the response

00:42:09.760 really kind of proved

00:42:11.000 that thesis.

00:42:11.540 And I'm not, you know,

00:42:13.120 asking for any,

00:42:13.780 I knew exactly

00:42:14.360 what was going to happen

00:42:14.840 when I posted it.

00:42:15.860 And I wasn't doing it

00:42:17.140 to take a shot

00:42:17.620 of Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:42:18.160 I quite literally said

00:42:18.920 he's not a hero.

00:42:20.120 He's also not a villain.

00:42:21.700 And I think that

00:42:22.680 that's the problem

00:42:23.540 is that he was cast

00:42:24.340 as either one or the other.

00:42:25.840 And, you know,

00:42:26.380 I think what the right did

00:42:27.200 was see that people

00:42:28.500 were calling him

00:42:28.980 a white supremacist,

00:42:29.620 see that the left

00:42:30.840 was calling him

00:42:31.240 a white supremacist

00:42:31.780 and respond by saying,

00:42:32.860 well, if they're going

00:42:33.200 to call him that,

00:42:33.740 then I'm going to call him

00:42:34.380 a hero.

00:42:35.000 And I think that that aspect

00:42:36.340 of the reactionary right

00:42:37.720 is kind of what

00:42:38.660 I was pushing back on.

00:42:39.480 It's like,

00:42:39.720 you can't just abandon

00:42:40.780 your whatever principles

00:42:42.100 you claim to have.

00:42:42.980 For example,

00:42:43.360 family values,

00:42:44.540 parents who don't let

00:42:45.900 their 17 year old kids

00:42:46.780 go out armed to riots.

00:42:49.160 But secondarily,

00:42:51.040 just well,

00:42:51.700 if they did that,

00:42:53.020 then, you know,

00:42:53.980 that means that us

00:42:54.740 responding in kind is OK.

00:42:56.960 And I think conservatives

00:42:57.980 always used to be the ones

00:42:59.000 who were like,

00:42:59.440 don't yell at politicians

00:43:00.620 in the street,

00:43:01.240 you know,

00:43:01.420 have a certain aspect

00:43:02.440 of civil society

00:43:03.280 that you preserve.

00:43:04.280 And now you see

00:43:05.340 all conservatives,

00:43:06.360 you know,

00:43:06.540 shouting at politicians.

00:43:07.400 And and my question

00:43:09.120 is, is like,

00:43:10.020 what's the end result

00:43:11.780 of that?

00:43:12.240 Like if the left

00:43:13.620 goes lower

00:43:14.580 and then the right

00:43:15.260 responds by going low

00:43:16.400 as well?

00:43:17.000 Well, that sounds

00:43:17.760 like a death spiral

00:43:18.460 into something

00:43:18.920 that's very bad.

00:43:19.880 So I just try to,

00:43:22.000 you know,

00:43:22.220 stand up and say

00:43:23.500 what I experienced.

00:43:24.600 And, you know,

00:43:26.160 I expected the results.

00:43:27.640 So I think,

00:43:29.000 you know,

00:43:29.160 moving forward,

00:43:29.740 it's it's it's

00:43:30.580 a good learning lesson.

00:43:31.880 I thought Kyle himself

00:43:32.860 did a pretty good job

00:43:34.000 after the verdict

00:43:34.800 and not being

00:43:36.000 too self-congratulatory

00:43:38.080 or leaning too far

00:43:39.760 into, you know,

00:43:41.280 I'm a hero.

00:43:41.960 Like he didn't

00:43:43.060 really do much of that.

00:43:44.280 And that was not,

00:43:44.860 you know,

00:43:45.400 yes, stepping back,

00:43:46.760 like after the fact,

00:43:48.460 I could have been

00:43:49.560 more clear about the fact

00:43:50.600 that really it was

00:43:51.940 the media that took

00:43:53.220 Rittenhouse and turned

00:43:54.480 him into that hero.

00:43:55.920 And he's just a kid.

00:43:57.440 You know,

00:43:57.600 now he's by that point

00:43:58.740 he was 18.

00:43:59.560 So he was technically

00:44:00.340 an adult.

00:44:00.900 But even still,

00:44:01.860 you know,

00:44:02.280 he was just getting

00:44:03.020 sucked up by conservative

00:44:04.460 ink and they were

00:44:05.060 using him just for the,

00:44:06.680 you know,

00:44:06.820 to score their own

00:44:07.720 points on the board

00:44:09.460 after he was acquitted.

00:44:10.500 And let me just show

00:44:12.160 the audience what

00:44:13.100 you're talking about

00:44:13.420 because in your piece

00:44:14.020 you write a month

00:44:15.340 after the trial came

00:44:16.100 Turning Point USA's

00:44:17.180 America Fest

00:44:18.160 where they wanted you

00:44:19.760 to participate

00:44:20.580 but you declined.

00:44:21.780 You knew that they

00:44:22.280 were going to surprise

00:44:23.060 the audience with Kyle

00:44:24.200 and it led to,

00:44:25.740 we have it, right?

00:44:26.420 We have this moment.

00:44:29.940 Yeah,

00:44:30.440 where he came out.

00:44:31.260 We'll just play it now

00:44:32.120 while I continue speaking.

00:44:34.000 But he came out

00:44:35.160 and there's like

00:44:35.780 pyrotechnics

00:44:37.020 and there's

00:44:37.700 spotlights

00:44:38.900 and he got

00:44:40.240 a hero's welcome

00:44:41.080 for sure.

00:44:42.640 And I get any,

00:44:43.560 I can see,

00:44:44.360 you know,

00:44:44.600 you had a problem

00:44:45.840 with that.

00:44:46.500 To me,

00:44:46.920 I saw that as like

00:44:47.980 they're applauding

00:44:49.760 his courage

00:44:51.240 in having

00:44:51.940 had to sit there

00:44:53.340 for day after day

00:44:54.600 thinking he might

00:44:55.260 be going to jail

00:44:55.940 for the rest of his life.

00:44:56.940 It's about a martyr

00:44:58.160 less than a hero

00:44:59.360 in my view.

00:45:01.200 Yeah,

00:45:01.420 I think that that's

00:45:02.020 a very fair point.

00:45:04.060 And Drew Hernandez

00:45:04.720 actually,

00:45:05.480 who was on that panel,

00:45:06.760 who,

00:45:07.100 like I said,

00:45:07.440 I was traveling

00:45:07.860 around with him,

00:45:08.880 he said something

00:45:09.580 similar on Tim Pool

00:45:10.640 the other night.

00:45:11.080 And look,

00:45:11.880 that's completely fine.

00:45:13.960 I totally understand

00:45:14.640 that perspective.

00:45:16.000 And I also

00:45:17.920 can't unpack,

00:45:19.560 like,

00:45:20.000 here's the thing

00:45:20.600 is when a tragedy

00:45:21.500 happens,

00:45:22.400 you know,

00:45:22.540 everybody says,

00:45:23.280 oh,

00:45:23.520 well,

00:45:23.800 he had this

00:45:24.240 criminal history

00:45:24.940 and blah,

00:45:25.720 blah,

00:45:25.840 blah.

00:45:26.020 I can't unlive

00:45:26.860 that experience.

00:45:28.260 And so my goal

00:45:29.320 was to,

00:45:30.100 you know,

00:45:30.220 the way that I felt

00:45:31.340 when I saw that

00:45:32.380 having one of the people

00:45:33.820 that he shot

00:45:34.400 die in my arms

00:45:35.380 was sick.

00:45:37.020 And so I think

00:45:38.820 that all I wanted

00:45:39.860 to do in that,

00:45:41.480 providing that anecdote

00:45:42.380 and the way that I felt

00:45:43.320 when I saw it

00:45:44.060 was to identify

00:45:45.220 the fact that

00:45:45.800 people who are close

00:45:46.840 to these tragedies,

00:45:48.120 you know,

00:45:48.320 that human side of it

00:45:49.500 is something that gets

00:45:50.300 completely lost.

00:45:52.280 And whether it's

00:45:52.760 one side or the other,

00:45:53.780 the human beings

00:45:54.360 who are caught up

00:45:54.820 in the midst of that

00:45:55.480 are kind of,

00:45:56.240 they do,

00:45:56.680 they become these caricatures

00:45:57.740 who are no longer

00:45:59.460 human beings,

00:46:00.220 according to the media.

00:46:01.800 That's the thing.

00:46:02.260 So like when I see

00:46:02.960 people attacking you

00:46:04.040 for this opinion piece

00:46:05.500 for what you're saying here,

00:46:06.560 I want them to remember

00:46:08.120 you've been through

00:46:09.180 your own trauma.

00:46:10.860 You've been through

00:46:11.400 your own trauma

00:46:12.440 in this whole thing,

00:46:13.980 trying to do

00:46:14.740 the right thing,

00:46:15.620 trying to bring us

00:46:16.240 the news

00:46:16.860 that was being snuffed

00:46:18.360 out by too many

00:46:19.280 in the mainstream

00:46:19.880 and found yourself

00:46:21.640 in a really hard situation

00:46:23.380 where not only

00:46:24.040 did you witness

00:46:24.840 the shooting

00:46:25.340 and were in danger

00:46:26.240 yourself,

00:46:26.760 but again,

00:46:28.340 not knowing

00:46:29.320 who Joseph Rosenbaum

00:46:30.400 was or anything

00:46:31.160 about his criminal history

00:46:32.260 held him as he died

00:46:33.740 in your arms

00:46:34.340 after you'd already

00:46:35.220 lost your dad

00:46:35.960 in not the same way,

00:46:37.400 but it's,

00:46:37.760 you know,

00:46:38.100 disturbingly eerily

00:46:39.520 similar circumstances,

00:46:40.920 sort of.

00:46:41.700 So I get it,

00:46:42.640 Richie.

00:46:42.960 I understand exactly

00:46:44.380 where you're coming from.

00:46:45.500 I will say

00:46:46.360 we reached out to Kyle

00:46:48.340 and asked him

00:46:50.040 for his response

00:46:51.360 to your op-ed

00:46:52.000 and told him

00:46:52.280 you're coming on today

00:46:52.940 and I'll just leave

00:46:53.680 that as the tease

00:46:54.580 because we just did

00:46:55.480 get a response

00:46:56.300 and that's where

00:46:57.160 we'll pick it up.

00:46:57.880 Right after this

00:46:58.700 quick commercial break,

00:46:59.920 we'll be right back

00:47:01.100 with Richie McGinnis

00:47:01.780 and we'll talk

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00:47:35.480 So Richie,

00:47:40.840 we reached out to Kyle

00:47:42.020 for his response

00:47:43.540 to your op-ed in Newsweek

00:47:45.060 and to what we anticipated

00:47:46.580 would be your appearance

00:47:47.980 here today.

00:47:48.960 And it was sort of

00:47:50.320 an interesting series of events.

00:47:51.920 His spokesperson,

00:47:53.220 David Hancock,

00:47:54.040 responded first

00:47:54.940 and then in came

00:47:56.780 a lengthier statement

00:47:57.940 from David Hancock

00:47:59.120 and then in came

00:48:00.340 a statement from Kyle himself.

00:48:02.140 So I kind of have

00:48:03.060 sort of three responses

00:48:04.460 to go over with you.

00:48:05.580 First came this

00:48:06.360 from David Hancock,

00:48:07.300 one paragraph only.

00:48:10.280 Kyle wishes Richie the best

00:48:12.420 as he tries to reinvent himself

00:48:14.360 and will always be thankful

00:48:16.120 that Richie was honest

00:48:17.080 and sincere

00:48:17.700 when it mattered the most,

00:48:19.060 not just for Kyle,

00:48:20.520 but for America.

00:48:22.020 Okay,

00:48:22.340 so that was number one.

00:48:24.680 David has since added

00:48:26.020 a second paragraph

00:48:26.880 to that.

00:48:27.920 That reads,

00:48:30.180 that reads,

00:48:31.340 Kyle thought waiting

00:48:32.460 until the two-year anniversary

00:48:33.960 of Kenosha

00:48:34.640 to pander to the left

00:48:36.140 with selective storytelling

00:48:37.580 was painfully transparent,

00:48:39.960 but pretending the thugs

00:48:41.200 who attacked him

00:48:41.960 were now victims

00:48:42.800 was hypocritical

00:48:44.160 and unprincipled.

00:48:46.020 So that's him to you.

00:48:48.160 He's referring to your behavior.

00:48:49.940 Kyle,

00:48:51.060 this is from him directly,

00:48:52.240 writes as follows,

00:48:53.040 quote,

00:48:54.100 Unfortunately,

00:48:55.000 Richie's latest story

00:48:55.980 leaves a lot of

00:48:56.600 important details out.

00:48:58.320 Including my intentions

00:48:59.240 to help others

00:49:00.000 while I was there

00:49:00.880 or the fact that I was

00:49:02.120 chased down

00:49:02.800 and assaulted

00:49:03.360 by an armed mob.

00:49:05.000 I am grateful

00:49:05.480 he told the truth

00:49:06.200 when it mattered.

00:49:07.200 His new story

00:49:08.180 doesn't change

00:49:09.140 the facts of that day.

00:49:10.820 I am forever grateful

00:49:11.620 for the justice system

00:49:12.600 for seeing my innocence

00:49:13.540 in all of this.

00:49:15.320 So,

00:49:15.880 what do you make of it?

00:49:16.760 You've left out

00:49:17.340 a lot of details,

00:49:18.340 including his intentions.

00:49:20.260 I'm grateful you told the truth

00:49:21.700 when it mattered.

00:49:23.000 You now have a new story

00:49:24.320 that they think

00:49:25.640 is hypocritical,

00:49:27.200 unprincipled,

00:49:28.160 and painfully transparent

00:49:29.520 as you attempt to,

00:49:31.000 quote,

00:49:31.240 pander to the left.

00:49:34.360 Well,

00:49:34.960 see,

00:49:35.340 that's what I was

00:49:35.860 talking about earlier,

00:49:36.480 which is if you,

00:49:37.300 you know,

00:49:38.040 step outside of,

00:49:39.040 you know,

00:49:39.700 that trench,

00:49:40.480 then you're going to

00:49:41.000 basically be cast

00:49:41.920 into the other one.

00:49:43.080 And so,

00:49:43.980 when I was,

00:49:44.840 during the trial,

00:49:45.580 you know,

00:49:45.740 people were calling me

00:49:46.460 a right-wing conservative

00:49:47.400 and now people are saying

00:49:49.200 that I'm pandering to the left

00:49:50.160 with this new piece.

00:49:51.800 I mean,

00:49:51.980 I think that Kyle,

00:49:53.440 you know,

00:49:53.940 that response,

00:49:54.980 I think that that's

00:49:56.280 a very fair contention.

00:49:57.800 I did include details

00:49:59.260 of why he said

00:50:00.820 he stated that he was there.

00:50:02.480 He stated,

00:50:03.460 I mean,

00:50:03.660 he wasn't an actual medic,

00:50:04.820 though,

00:50:05.140 so he was there

00:50:06.400 to help people

00:50:08.920 who were injured,

00:50:09.900 but he wasn't,

00:50:10.800 he wasn't an actual

00:50:11.460 trained medic.

00:50:12.100 He had lifeguard certification,

00:50:13.760 so I'm just as much

00:50:14.860 a medic as he is,

00:50:16.720 having been a surf instructor.

00:50:18.440 Secondarily,

00:50:18.980 I used the word

00:50:19.580 playing cop for a reason

00:50:21.180 and it's because

00:50:22.300 what I picked up on

00:50:23.540 the moment that I was

00:50:24.220 walking through the streets

00:50:24.860 with him is that

00:50:25.860 he was playing the role

00:50:28.060 of both cop,

00:50:29.060 medic later on

00:50:30.220 when he had the fire extinguisher,

00:50:31.600 also fireman,

00:50:32.780 but it was like

00:50:34.120 he was playing a role.

00:50:35.380 It wasn't like

00:50:35.940 he was actually,

00:50:36.940 you know,

00:50:37.760 really knew what he was doing

00:50:38.840 in that situation

00:50:39.580 and so my piece

00:50:42.340 is the intention

00:50:43.660 is to show

00:50:44.240 my personal perspective

00:50:45.380 and going from

00:50:47.180 witness to a human being

00:50:48.880 and so,

00:50:50.560 you know,

00:50:50.780 I didn't intend this

00:50:52.080 as a hit piece to Kyle

00:50:52.920 in any way,

00:50:53.700 shape,

00:50:53.840 or form

00:50:54.140 and in fact,

00:50:55.100 it's,

00:50:55.900 I believe,

00:50:56.660 more excoriating

00:50:57.260 of the media

00:50:57.740 than anybody else

00:50:58.600 but that's what

00:50:59.980 everybody focused on

00:51:00.840 and I wish

00:51:02.640 the best for Kyle.

00:51:03.960 I know that he

00:51:04.580 suffered a lot of trauma

00:51:06.120 as a result of what happened

00:51:07.020 and I didn't mean

00:51:07.540 to add on to that

00:51:08.680 but with that being said,

00:51:10.580 I did have to

00:51:11.300 take the opportunity

00:51:12.100 to state

00:51:13.580 my human perspective

00:51:15.220 of the events

00:51:16.700 that night

00:51:17.200 because I believe

00:51:18.780 that,

00:51:19.000 you know,

00:51:19.140 down the road

00:51:19.700 it's an important perspective

00:51:21.060 and I was right there

00:51:21.820 and what people got

00:51:23.100 from me

00:51:23.600 prior to that piece

00:51:24.720 was me trying my best

00:51:26.700 to play the role

00:51:27.180 of witness

00:51:27.520 so if people don't like,

00:51:29.140 you know,

00:51:29.380 what my opinion is,

00:51:30.920 that's fine.

00:51:31.460 This is America.

00:51:32.100 I mean,

00:51:32.220 I really appreciate

00:51:33.700 the fact that

00:51:34.260 we're even able

00:51:35.160 to have,

00:51:35.840 like,

00:51:36.380 the fact that we're

00:51:37.080 on this show right now

00:51:38.020 and we're talking about this

00:51:39.360 at such great length

00:51:40.120 and that we actually

00:51:40.760 even got a response

00:51:41.500 from Kyle

00:51:42.000 and I'm now interacting

00:51:43.180 with that.

00:51:44.100 That's exactly

00:51:45.560 what I want to come out

00:51:47.140 of all of what happened

00:51:48.480 in 2020

00:51:48.880 which is people

00:51:49.540 are reckoning on the media

00:51:50.620 where people realize

00:51:51.700 that the corporate institutions

00:51:53.240 that drive our discourse

00:51:54.160 are driving us apart

00:51:55.440 and you know what?

00:51:56.840 If,

00:51:57.220 like,

00:51:57.580 if Kyle wants to have a beer

00:51:59.280 or sit down on a podcast

00:52:00.480 and talk about it,

00:52:01.300 I'm willing to talk to anybody.

00:52:02.780 You know,

00:52:03.000 I'm not saying like,

00:52:04.180 well,

00:52:04.400 he's welcome to do that right here.

00:52:05.660 He's never been on the show

00:52:06.560 though we invited him.

00:52:07.520 Yeah.

00:52:08.200 I have no problem with that

00:52:09.380 because he is a human being

00:52:11.240 and he was affected

00:52:12.040 just like I was

00:52:12.840 and so me providing

00:52:14.600 my perspective,

00:52:15.280 that word victim,

00:52:16.460 it was not used

00:52:17.520 in a legal sense.

00:52:18.540 I was not stating

00:52:19.460 that he was criminally

00:52:20.220 liable for anything.

00:52:22.320 They're dead

00:52:22.860 and he's not

00:52:23.300 and there was a series

00:52:25.080 of decisions

00:52:25.560 that went into that.

00:52:26.440 I know,

00:52:26.640 but I'll just challenge you

00:52:28.100 on that

00:52:28.300 but the reason

00:52:29.020 they're dead

00:52:29.400 and he's not

00:52:29.840 is there.

00:52:30.880 That's what I was

00:52:31.500 going at earlier.

00:52:32.560 Nobody made Rosenbaum

00:52:33.440 show up at that thing

00:52:34.600 at that protest.

00:52:35.980 Nobody made him

00:52:36.540 run after Kyle.

00:52:37.340 Nobody made him

00:52:37.980 lunge for a gun

00:52:38.820 he could clearly see

00:52:39.760 was there

00:52:40.240 and dangerous.

00:52:41.700 You know,

00:52:42.000 I see this

00:52:42.860 and I say

00:52:43.380 it's unfortunate

00:52:44.080 he made those decisions

00:52:45.080 but that's on him.

00:52:46.300 That is on him.

00:52:47.100 So that's what people

00:52:47.940 are reacting

00:52:48.260 and then you find out

00:52:48.940 his background

00:52:49.440 and you really

00:52:50.240 like most of us

00:52:51.160 not those who held him

00:52:52.360 while he was dying

00:52:53.000 think I'm done.

00:52:54.500 I'm kind of out of sympathy

00:52:55.880 for Joseph Rosenbaum.

00:52:56.920 Yes, absolutely.

00:52:59.360 Look, that's totally fine

00:53:01.660 and I absolutely

00:53:02.260 understand that opinion

00:53:03.060 and I understand

00:53:03.840 why people have

00:53:04.420 that opinion

00:53:04.900 but like I said

00:53:06.620 I can't unpack

00:53:08.080 the lived experience

00:53:09.740 of that

00:53:10.260 and I didn't know

00:53:11.000 those details

00:53:11.800 at the time

00:53:12.420 and

00:53:13.260 What about this though,

00:53:15.260 Richie?

00:53:15.480 What about this?

00:53:16.240 Because they said

00:53:16.840 people are hating you

00:53:18.100 because when you went

00:53:18.640 back to Kenosha

00:53:19.360 you said

00:53:19.740 I tried to retrace

00:53:20.600 my steps.

00:53:21.660 There was no memorial

00:53:22.620 for Rosenbaum

00:53:23.460 or Huber.

00:53:24.880 Huber's the other guy

00:53:26.160 who was killed.

00:53:26.460 So and you know

00:53:27.580 people are like

00:53:28.160 what?

00:53:29.140 What is he saying?

00:53:30.380 Those those were bad guys

00:53:32.040 who attacked a 17 year old.

00:53:34.440 Well, what I was

00:53:35.000 the point of

00:53:36.380 providing that detail

00:53:37.640 was actually to mirror

00:53:39.340 the lionization

00:53:41.380 that happened

00:53:42.380 with Rosenbaum initially

00:53:43.280 and then how

00:53:44.420 after the case

00:53:45.340 you know

00:53:45.720 they forgot about him

00:53:46.600 and so like there's still

00:53:47.380 if you go to where

00:53:48.040 George Floyd died

00:53:48.700 there's a massive memorial

00:53:50.020 that's still there.

00:53:50.780 Right?

00:53:51.320 And I'm not saying

00:53:52.180 there wasn't a judgment

00:53:53.000 on their behavior.

00:53:54.160 It was a judgment

00:53:54.820 on the way in which

00:53:55.520 the city is moving forward

00:53:56.720 and so the fact

00:53:58.080 that there was no memorial

00:53:59.040 for them

00:53:59.340 I also said

00:53:59.860 in the next sentence

00:54:00.500 that there's there was

00:54:01.080 no plaque

00:54:01.640 for the riots

00:54:02.840 and the violence

00:54:03.420 like so

00:54:04.100 Are you saying

00:54:04.860 that they were fake news

00:54:05.860 when they tried to act

00:54:06.840 like they were all concerned

00:54:07.840 about Huber and Rosenbaum

00:54:09.100 that that was BS?

00:54:10.340 Exactly.

00:54:10.360 Exactly.

00:54:11.100 And so it's funny

00:54:11.980 because that detail

00:54:13.040 was actually

00:54:13.960 what I was trying

00:54:14.960 to get at

00:54:15.440 is the fact

00:54:15.880 that the left

00:54:16.440 used him opportunistically

00:54:18.380 use Rosenbaum

00:54:19.220 and Huber

00:54:19.540 opportunistically

00:54:20.260 as heroes

00:54:21.300 and then kind of

00:54:22.380 just cast him

00:54:22.920 to the wayside

00:54:23.440 and the city itself

00:54:25.420 wants to forget

00:54:26.280 about what happened

00:54:27.060 and so that was

00:54:28.020 the conclusion

00:54:29.340 of that detail

00:54:30.040 yeah I'm well aware

00:54:31.300 of the way

00:54:32.160 that people responded

00:54:33.100 to it

00:54:33.440 but that was

00:54:34.680 what I experienced

00:54:35.940 and what I saw

00:54:36.760 and what I thought

00:54:37.600 about when I was there

00:54:38.340 so I wrote it.

00:54:39.580 I mean on the flip side

00:54:40.720 and we've talked about it

00:54:41.860 at length on the show

00:54:42.400 though not with you

00:54:43.040 the demonization

00:54:45.420 of Kyle Rittenhouse

00:54:46.140 by the media

00:54:46.720 Yes.

00:54:47.480 Yes.

00:54:47.820 I mean

00:54:48.340 it dwarfs anything

00:54:50.220 that we've talked about

00:54:51.020 it's been

00:54:51.460 absolutely disgusting

00:54:53.320 from the beginning

00:54:54.280 as we now know

00:54:55.840 this kid

00:54:56.420 he was not a vigilante

00:54:57.760 he was not a white supremacist

00:54:59.340 there was absolutely

00:55:00.260 no evidence to that effect

00:55:01.480 but he was called that

00:55:02.300 by people like Joe Biden

00:55:03.380 I mean it's crazy

00:55:04.460 that Joe Biden

00:55:05.240 actually called Kyle

00:55:06.140 a white supremacist

00:55:07.040 and so the kid

00:55:08.440 has been through a lot

00:55:09.660 he was on Tucker recently

00:55:11.440 because we are at the

00:55:12.220 two year mark

00:55:12.880 since it all happened

00:55:14.460 and described his life

00:55:15.840 these days

00:55:16.300 as follows

00:55:17.000 Well we're going to

00:55:19.940 make the media pay

00:55:20.820 for what they did to me

00:55:21.800 they made it hard

00:55:22.560 for me to live

00:55:23.180 a normal life

00:55:23.980 I can't go out

00:55:24.820 into public

00:55:25.480 I can't go to the store

00:55:27.320 it's hard for me

00:55:28.160 to go anywhere

00:55:28.900 without security

00:55:29.900 shoot

00:55:30.600 doing basic things

00:55:32.020 like taking my dog

00:55:33.100 to the dog park

00:55:33.860 is difficult

00:55:34.480 so they made it

00:55:36.200 really difficult

00:55:36.760 to be normal

00:55:38.180 and they affected

00:55:39.680 future job opportunities

00:55:41.060 to me

00:55:41.500 I don't think

00:55:42.100 I'll ever be able

00:55:42.840 to work

00:55:43.580 or get a job

00:55:44.440 because I'm afraid

00:55:45.180 an employer

00:55:45.680 may not hire me

00:55:46.840 So as somebody

00:55:48.900 who was kind of

00:55:49.940 living it with Kyle

00:55:50.760 in a way

00:55:51.560 on a parallel track

00:55:53.240 at least

00:55:53.720 a witness

00:55:54.640 somebody was there

00:55:55.560 that night

00:55:55.960 and so on

00:55:56.540 how do you see

00:55:57.580 what the media

00:55:58.340 and these Democrats

00:55:59.500 I mean it's not

00:56:00.060 you have to say

00:56:01.460 it was people

00:56:02.000 like Kamala Harris

00:56:02.660 it was people

00:56:03.020 like Joe Biden

00:56:03.500 it was people

00:56:03.960 like Hakeem Jeffries

00:56:05.080 head of the

00:56:05.860 Democratic Congressional Congress

00:56:07.500 those are the ones

00:56:08.740 who demonized him

00:56:09.520 publicly

00:56:09.920 and have not apologized

00:56:11.960 not even a little

00:56:12.880 how do you see their role

00:56:13.720 yeah

00:56:14.640 so basically

00:56:15.880 that piece

00:56:16.520 was one slice

00:56:18.040 of you know

00:56:18.960 basically

00:56:19.300 how each side

00:56:21.020 tried to lionize

00:56:21.800 and demonize

00:56:22.460 them

00:56:23.180 but I'm going to get

00:56:23.820 into that much deeper

00:56:24.740 and there will be

00:56:26.120 much more to come

00:56:26.960 regarding that story

00:56:28.720 of how

00:56:29.180 I remember

00:56:30.460 the next morning

00:56:31.360 I didn't even sleep

00:56:32.200 I was at the cops

00:56:33.060 the police station

00:56:34.540 until like 4.30 a.m

00:56:35.700 got home

00:56:36.420 there was a Vice News article

00:56:37.240 that stated that he opened fire

00:56:38.520 and that was when I decided

00:56:39.620 okay

00:56:39.880 I got to go on the news

00:56:40.680 as fast as possible

00:56:41.500 because it's crazy

00:56:43.020 that people in the media

00:56:43.900 are taking what happened

00:56:45.680 and claiming that he opened fire

00:56:47.100 because you know

00:56:48.300 opened fire on protesters

00:56:49.520 they said

00:56:50.080 so basically like

00:56:51.660 from the moment

00:56:52.880 that I saw that article

00:56:54.200 I knew that

00:56:54.980 there was going to be

00:56:55.660 a huge narrative

00:56:56.440 that was being spun up

00:56:57.280 and then the fact

00:56:57.800 that he was being called

00:56:58.440 a white supremacist

00:56:59.360 obviously

00:57:00.160 that just takes

00:57:01.200 a step even further

00:57:02.380 I did state

00:57:04.260 in the piece

00:57:04.740 that you know

00:57:05.320 one side called him a hero

00:57:06.580 the other side

00:57:07.180 called him a white supremacist

00:57:08.380 and neither of those

00:57:09.280 were true

00:57:09.720 so I you know

00:57:11.500 basically

00:57:12.040 both of those characters

00:57:13.240 I will say though

00:57:13.600 but I will say

00:57:14.520 it was not

00:57:15.060 it wasn't even

00:57:15.700 at all

00:57:16.400 it was like

00:57:17.020 a complete media

00:57:17.900 pylon in the guy

00:57:19.220 yes

00:57:19.660 and then there were

00:57:20.380 some more right-leaning

00:57:21.280 journalists

00:57:21.880 who called him a hero

00:57:22.600 but I think

00:57:23.000 a lot of people

00:57:23.600 on the right

00:57:23.880 were just open-minded

00:57:24.620 to his self-defense claims

00:57:26.000 it was like

00:57:27.120 they're not equivalent

00:57:28.280 would you agree

00:57:29.280 I mean

00:57:29.580 I would agree

00:57:30.500 the amount of

00:57:31.120 incoming he took

00:57:32.500 from the media

00:57:33.040 was breathtaking

00:57:34.280 100%

00:57:35.800 but I also don't think

00:57:37.480 that that warrants

00:57:38.220 you know

00:57:38.780 the right

00:57:39.720 taking a reactionary

00:57:41.240 approach

00:57:41.600 which is like

00:57:42.220 well if they say

00:57:43.020 he's the worst

00:57:43.580 then we're gonna

00:57:44.080 you know

00:57:44.820 prop him up

00:57:46.080 and not talk honestly

00:57:47.340 about the

00:57:47.980 just pulled a couple

00:57:49.600 of you know

00:57:50.800 examples

00:57:51.340 this is

00:57:53.340 we saw some

00:57:54.100 stuff like this

00:57:54.700 but

00:57:55.040 NAACP president

00:57:57.380 commented

00:57:57.840 after the verdict

00:57:59.120 this verdict

00:58:00.000 reminds us

00:58:00.640 of the treacherous

00:58:01.520 role that white

00:58:02.420 supremacy and privilege

00:58:03.420 play within our

00:58:04.020 just

00:58:04.200 what

00:58:04.520 what

00:58:05.640 then there was

00:58:06.660 Reverend Al Sharpton

00:58:07.440 never misses a moment

00:58:08.300 to exploit

00:58:08.860 these continue

00:58:10.160 to be dark days

00:58:11.200 for black people

00:58:12.000 killed at the hands

00:58:12.820 of people that believe

00:58:13.520 our lives do not matter

00:58:14.360 there were no black

00:58:15.480 people there that night

00:58:16.660 and involved in the

00:58:18.000 shootings right

00:58:18.580 nobody

00:58:18.960 no black person

00:58:19.620 was shot that night

00:58:20.420 and no black person

00:58:21.300 was doing the shooting

00:58:22.600 that night in Kenosha

00:58:23.920 but still

00:58:25.820 like the race baiters

00:58:27.180 like Sharpton

00:58:27.760 again never miss an

00:58:29.100 opportunity

00:58:29.440 all right

00:58:29.720 let me turn the page

00:58:30.480 because I know we only

00:58:31.180 have a minute left

00:58:31.800 the New York Times

00:58:33.200 decided

00:58:34.740 I mean this is like

00:58:35.560 a theme in your life

00:58:37.080 getting smeared

00:58:37.640 totally unfairly

00:58:39.920 after January 6th

00:58:41.180 where you were covering

00:58:41.980 that too

00:58:42.440 in your role as a journalist

00:58:43.320 they put you

00:58:44.800 in the New York Times

00:58:46.180 in an article called

00:58:47.800 The American Abyss

00:58:48.840 picture of you

00:58:49.720 a historian of fascism

00:58:52.320 and political atrocity

00:58:53.780 on Trump

00:58:54.720 the mob

00:58:55.120 and what comes next

00:58:55.980 next

00:58:56.400 you're right there

00:58:57.860 without your shirt

00:58:58.960 they

00:59:00.440 I'm looking for my phone

00:59:02.220 I lost my phone

00:59:03.080 all right

00:59:03.800 just saying your shirt

00:59:04.660 off again

00:59:05.280 okay for our listening

00:59:06.420 audience

00:59:06.940 make it as a jaybird

00:59:08.200 from the belt up

00:59:09.880 and they

00:59:12.480 this is the caption

00:59:13.540 a rioter

00:59:14.640 a rioter

00:59:15.760 that's you

00:59:16.260 during the mayhem

00:59:17.760 at the Capitol

00:59:18.420 period

00:59:19.040 he punched the door

00:59:20.620 after being pepper sprayed

00:59:21.920 and forced out of the

00:59:23.260 building

00:59:23.600 3 45 p.m.

00:59:25.840 virtually every word

00:59:26.520 in that is untrue

00:59:27.420 yeah

00:59:28.580 also it's hilarious

00:59:29.900 that they claim

00:59:30.560 that like I punched

00:59:31.640 that door

00:59:32.840 and somehow

00:59:33.520 that was me

00:59:34.180 who broke it

00:59:34.700 because when I got

00:59:35.540 knocked down

00:59:35.960 it was actually

00:59:36.360 right as they were

00:59:37.200 closing the final doors

00:59:38.220 I was trying to capture

00:59:38.860 that last moment

00:59:40.060 of the last group

00:59:40.740 being forced out

00:59:41.800 and I got

00:59:42.420 knocked into the door

00:59:43.940 my head hit the door

00:59:44.920 and I'm a hockey player

00:59:46.020 like I'm

00:59:46.440 I'm holding on

00:59:47.500 to that phone

00:59:48.540 no matter what

00:59:49.600 and I've been in

00:59:50.080 situations where I've

00:59:50.660 been knocked down

00:59:51.240 and clutching it

00:59:52.260 I got my bell rung

00:59:53.560 concussion

00:59:54.220 and dropped my phone

00:59:55.300 and so I landed on

00:59:56.220 actually a pry bar

00:59:57.180 not a crowbar

00:59:58.120 but like a bar

00:59:58.700 that's like this long

00:59:59.560 which is used

01:00:00.380 to pry open

01:00:00.960 you know

01:00:01.460 very heavy things

01:00:02.260 and I landed on that

01:00:03.740 I'm bleeding

01:00:04.320 I get up

01:00:05.300 and I'm tapping

01:00:05.900 on the window

01:00:06.500 phone

01:00:07.440 you know

01:00:08.320 where's my phone

01:00:09.080 to the cops

01:00:09.740 it looks like

01:00:10.100 I'm saying fuck

01:00:10.820 in the photo

01:00:12.000 I'm saying phone

01:00:13.120 and I'm tapping

01:00:13.900 with my finger

01:00:14.560 and so the

01:00:15.460 they take that photo

01:00:17.000 and then me tapping

01:00:18.380 my finger

01:00:19.040 and saying phone

01:00:19.860 turns into

01:00:21.000 he punched

01:00:21.780 he broke that door

01:00:22.660 you know

01:00:23.160 that's the implication

01:00:23.820 he's a rioter

01:00:25.020 he looks like

01:00:25.620 did they ever call you

01:00:26.400 did the times

01:00:28.020 before running this

01:00:28.900 call you at all

01:00:29.600 oh so I

01:00:30.840 they did not call me prior

01:00:32.260 no absolutely

01:00:32.860 absolutely not

01:00:34.080 they didn't call me

01:00:35.520 I don't even think

01:00:35.940 they knew that

01:00:36.560 they'd relied on me

01:00:37.520 for a lot of the stuff

01:00:38.580 in Kenosha

01:00:39.060 I talked with their

01:00:39.640 forensics reporter

01:00:40.320 like in multiple nights

01:00:42.140 multiple hours

01:00:42.940 so make sure that he got

01:00:43.760 a lot of the details

01:00:44.420 right

01:00:44.720 so no

01:00:46.440 they didn't run

01:00:47.120 anything by me

01:00:47.860 and then they

01:00:48.620 actually issued

01:00:50.020 I had to get them

01:00:51.160 to issue multiple

01:00:51.760 corrections after the fact

01:00:52.680 yeah the first correction

01:00:53.620 um says

01:00:54.680 okay

01:00:55.620 we were wrong

01:00:56.780 in the earlier version

01:00:57.640 of the essay

01:00:58.300 misidentified the shirtless man

01:01:00.220 um

01:01:01.100 he was a videographer

01:01:02.060 working for the Daily Caller

01:01:03.300 a right-wing website

01:01:04.300 not one of the Trump supporters

01:01:05.820 who's not good enough

01:01:07.040 New York Times

01:01:07.820 they had said

01:01:08.940 you were a rioter

01:01:10.120 that you would punch

01:01:10.680 the door

01:01:11.500 what are you talking about

01:01:12.720 you're gonna have to be

01:01:13.940 a little bit more forthcoming

01:01:15.100 or I'm gonna sue your ass

01:01:16.440 that's really what was going on

01:01:17.920 so then finally come out

01:01:18.700 with another correction

01:01:19.580 saying

01:01:19.960 uh

01:01:20.960 wrong again

01:01:22.040 they got out

01:01:24.180 they got rid of the right-wing

01:01:25.220 thing

01:01:25.540 because somebody there

01:01:26.320 wised up and said

01:01:27.320 let's not be douchebags

01:01:28.580 well I

01:01:29.100 I hired my own lawyer

01:01:30.160 and there's a

01:01:30.660 there's a long story there

01:01:31.800 on how that all happened

01:01:32.960 but

01:01:33.160 even that had to be forced out

01:01:34.640 I

01:01:36.540 I paid for it

01:01:37.460 literally

01:01:38.080 um

01:01:39.460 and I mean

01:01:40.540 I had a great lawyer

01:01:41.380 but

01:01:42.060 basically

01:01:42.900 you know

01:01:43.340 I talked to 50 lawyers

01:01:44.340 before I talked

01:01:44.940 before I settled on him

01:01:45.960 and they're all saying

01:01:46.500 oh we're gonna go to the Supreme Court

01:01:48.180 and we're gonna just

01:01:49.380 keep going

01:01:50.160 until they

01:01:50.760 pay up

01:01:51.360 and this lawyer

01:01:52.540 uh

01:01:53.380 who I won't name

01:01:53.920 because I haven't gotten his permission

01:01:54.680 but he was like

01:01:55.580 yeah I bet you everybody's telling you

01:01:56.680 we're gonna take it to the Supreme Court

01:01:57.480 he goes

01:01:57.720 guess what

01:01:58.140 they're getting paid

01:01:58.840 and you're paying them

01:01:59.900 that whole time

01:02:00.780 he's like

01:02:01.620 I'll pursue corrective action

01:02:02.800 give me your wish list

01:02:04.400 and pay me x amount

01:02:05.860 you know

01:02:06.640 it was

01:02:07.000 I sold some dogecoin

01:02:07.920 so it was uh

01:02:08.960 it was good that I sold that

01:02:10.000 at the time

01:02:10.440 anyways

01:02:10.920 um

01:02:11.680 and so I'm not

01:02:13.040 I'm not um

01:02:13.940 like it's such a long story

01:02:16.300 in terms of how the first correction happened

01:02:17.780 and how

01:02:18.200 you know

01:02:18.780 I kind of argued for the second correction

01:02:20.180 and it still wasn't good enough

01:02:21.120 and then I had to go

01:02:21.820 and hire a lawyer

01:02:22.540 and um

01:02:23.520 but that whole story

01:02:24.360 I think it's a great way to unpack

01:02:25.620 you know

01:02:25.880 how these tragedies happen

01:02:27.560 and then get completely manipulated

01:02:28.940 like

01:02:29.320 you know

01:02:29.880 people were saying that

01:02:30.780 um

01:02:31.160 Kyle opened fire

01:02:32.080 or people were

01:02:32.720 like used me

01:02:33.780 as that same

01:02:34.900 kind of caricature of evil

01:02:36.540 shirtless

01:02:37.500 you know

01:02:38.180 I'm not gonna lie

01:02:39.580 my hair's long

01:02:40.320 you know

01:02:40.560 I look kind of like

01:02:41.520 a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal

01:02:42.980 okay

01:02:43.280 well you have a weird face on

01:02:44.620 but

01:02:44.820 but your muscles look good

01:02:45.960 but you know

01:02:49.880 no you're right

01:02:50.780 this is all part of the same

01:02:51.960 long story

01:02:52.760 about a media

01:02:53.340 that's agenda-driven

01:02:54.320 and not fact-driven

01:02:55.660 unlike you

01:02:57.060 I'd like to believe myself as well

01:02:58.700 um

01:02:59.560 and so that leads me to my last point

01:03:01.340 which is

01:03:01.920 what next

01:03:02.820 you're

01:03:03.320 you left the Daily Caller

01:03:04.480 why

01:03:05.720 and what next

01:03:06.800 well I left

01:03:08.880 because

01:03:09.420 I've been

01:03:10.080 number one

01:03:10.960 trying to unpack

01:03:11.500 everything that happened

01:03:12.080 in 2020 and 2021

01:03:13.240 uh

01:03:13.900 writing all that down

01:03:14.700 and it's

01:03:16.240 I've been doing it all

01:03:17.220 in my off time

01:03:17.880 on the weekends

01:03:18.480 and now that I have

01:03:19.600 you know

01:03:20.280 basically

01:03:20.920 a manuscript together

01:03:21.960 I have to edit it

01:03:22.680 it's an incredible amount of work

01:03:24.100 so that's one

01:03:24.880 and

01:03:25.060 but number two

01:03:26.160 uh

01:03:26.980 the typecasting

01:03:28.280 that we were talking about

01:03:29.100 through

01:03:29.480 you know

01:03:30.040 both

01:03:31.460 both sides

01:03:32.140 uh

01:03:32.500 one side typecasting me

01:03:34.040 as tripandering to the left

01:03:35.380 uh

01:03:36.040 when my opinion is

01:03:36.980 is not in their favor

01:03:38.140 and then

01:03:38.520 uh

01:03:39.160 one side

01:03:39.660 you know

01:03:39.920 calling me a

01:03:40.620 right-wing

01:03:41.320 rioter

01:03:42.200 etc

01:03:42.840 um

01:03:43.900 I just wanted to step outside of that

01:03:45.600 and just

01:03:46.160 kind of

01:03:46.780 be free to say

01:03:48.880 whatever I want

01:03:49.640 regardless of

01:03:50.300 uh

01:03:50.660 workplace typecast

01:03:51.600 and my first story

01:03:53.040 that I'm working on

01:03:53.720 um

01:03:54.020 I've known this

01:03:54.800 uh

01:03:55.080 well he likes being called a bum

01:03:56.600 so I'm using the term bum

01:03:57.500 I actually talked to him about that

01:03:58.700 um

01:03:59.260 he claims that they're the

01:04:00.080 the wisest people in DC

01:04:01.300 because they see everybody

01:04:02.320 um

01:04:03.200 but

01:04:03.480 he

01:04:03.860 I've been

01:04:04.240 I've known this guy for eight years

01:04:05.500 you know

01:04:05.800 I give him a couple cigarettes

01:04:07.100 or a couple bucks

01:04:08.120 or you know

01:04:09.040 a nugget of weed

01:04:09.620 whatever to help him

01:04:11.020 over the last eight years

01:04:11.880 and I've just been sitting down

01:04:13.100 talking to him

01:04:13.700 um

01:04:14.460 you know

01:04:15.120 under the bridge

01:04:15.880 and we're just hanging out

01:04:17.040 eating steak

01:04:17.560 and so

01:04:18.340 I think that

01:04:19.020 the message there is like

01:04:20.480 I'm sick and tired of the media

01:04:21.780 saying

01:04:22.120 oh you can't talk to this person

01:04:23.300 or you can't put a human face

01:04:24.400 on that person

01:04:25.040 I

01:04:25.640 I will

01:04:26.280 you know

01:04:26.820 talk to whoever

01:04:27.560 and elicit their truth

01:04:29.260 and then let the audience decide

01:04:30.500 and

01:04:31.240 so

01:04:31.920 while

01:04:32.400 you know

01:04:32.820 I put my opinion

01:04:34.040 in that Newsweek piece

01:04:34.960 I do

01:04:35.260 I do want to approach

01:04:36.380 these kinds of stories

01:04:39.520 that are getting polarized

01:04:40.360 by the media

01:04:40.960 really with

01:04:41.620 that same strategy

01:04:42.600 that we did

01:04:43.180 in 2020

01:04:44.040 which is just be a fly on the wall

01:04:45.400 and elicit their

01:04:46.120 their truth

01:04:46.960 but now that I'm

01:04:47.580 I'm doing it on my own

01:04:48.400 really the

01:04:48.760 you know

01:04:49.120 the coverage

01:04:49.560 what stories I decide to focus on

01:04:51.040 that's

01:04:51.280 that's up to me

01:04:51.880 which is

01:04:52.280 my favorite part about it

01:04:53.360 that's great

01:04:54.380 and uh

01:04:55.720 what

01:04:56.000 Substack

01:04:56.500 I would assume

01:04:57.600 that'll be one outlet

01:04:58.280 RichieMcGinnis.substack.com

01:04:59.900 okay good

01:05:00.980 and also

01:05:01.740 the Megan Kelly show

01:05:02.780 well we

01:05:04.400 you're welcome

01:05:05.100 to come on here

01:05:05.940 anytime

01:05:06.480 I trust your journalism

01:05:07.720 I

01:05:08.320 I can say that firsthand

01:05:09.360 I've seen it for many years now

01:05:10.620 and uh

01:05:11.240 I'm totally rooting for you Richie

01:05:12.660 all the best to you

01:05:13.440 I appreciate you having me Megan

01:05:14.980 thank you very much

01:05:15.760 yeah

01:05:16.340 all right

01:05:16.820 we'll see you again soon

01:05:17.580 I hope

01:05:17.920 coming up

01:05:18.700 you will not believe this

01:05:19.740 but there is breaking news

01:05:20.740 about Megan Markle

01:05:21.720 uh

01:05:22.500 we'll tell you who's coming forward

01:05:24.100 to challenge

01:05:25.180 her latest round of BS

01:05:27.100 in that magazine article

01:05:28.760 that's getting all that buzz

01:05:29.760 you're not gonna wanna miss this

01:05:30.960 my guest here

01:05:36.260 is Maureen Callahan

01:05:37.460 critic at large

01:05:38.420 for the New York Post

01:05:39.220 if you don't read

01:05:40.080 Maureen Callahan

01:05:40.820 oh you are missing out

01:05:42.400 she is so great

01:05:44.320 with a pen

01:05:45.060 her piece was on the cover

01:05:46.660 of the Post yesterday

01:05:47.440 and she gives a hilarious

01:05:48.600 and unforgiving

01:05:50.160 and totally honest take

01:05:51.640 on what she calls

01:05:52.840 toddler and tiara tantrums

01:05:54.640 that Megan Markle

01:05:55.840 continues to throw

01:05:56.680 over her alleged

01:05:57.900 mistreatment

01:05:58.880 by the royal family

01:06:00.540 Maureen welcome to the show

01:06:01.980 oh thanks so much

01:06:02.980 for having me Megan

01:06:03.840 thanks for that intro

01:06:05.040 oh it's amazing

01:06:06.680 I read everything you write

01:06:07.700 and uh

01:06:08.240 oh thanks

01:06:08.700 oh my god

01:06:09.720 we all circulate

01:06:10.420 we're like Maureen

01:06:11.100 she's back

01:06:11.780 if you haven't seen

01:06:12.640 the one she did

01:06:13.060 on Alec Baldwin

01:06:13.620 a couple of weeks ago

01:06:14.380 you're missing out

01:06:15.040 um okay

01:06:16.060 so she said

01:06:17.900 so Megan Markle

01:06:19.040 said

01:06:19.520 that

01:06:20.540 she

01:06:21.640 saw

01:06:22.560 the live production

01:06:23.440 of the Lion King

01:06:24.300 in London

01:06:24.960 this is what she says

01:06:26.160 to the Cut magazine

01:06:27.100 and that

01:06:28.060 when she saw it

01:06:29.280 someone came out

01:06:30.580 from the cast

01:06:31.680 who was from

01:06:32.340 South Africa

01:06:33.120 and told her

01:06:34.760 that

01:06:35.540 that

01:06:36.360 basically

01:06:37.460 when she married

01:06:39.180 Prince Harry

01:06:39.860 it was as big

01:06:41.280 uh in South Africa

01:06:42.780 as when

01:06:43.480 Nelson Mandela

01:06:44.620 was freed

01:06:45.680 okay

01:06:46.360 so already

01:06:50.820 it says a lot

01:06:52.080 about Megan

01:06:52.540 like

01:06:52.880 okay

01:06:53.500 so I'm thinking

01:06:54.100 all right

01:06:55.100 the fact that

01:06:56.620 she would choose

01:06:57.340 that anecdote

01:06:58.100 to relay

01:06:59.260 to New York Magazine

01:07:00.140 essentially the cut

01:07:01.160 as indicative

01:07:02.580 of her press

01:07:03.380 and how people feel

01:07:04.060 about her

01:07:04.440 is totally

01:07:05.160 tone deaf

01:07:06.660 and in

01:07:07.460 her head

01:07:07.920 is in the clouds

01:07:08.440 because

01:07:08.720 people have said

01:07:09.800 crazy nice things

01:07:10.920 to me

01:07:11.220 and they've said

01:07:11.680 crazy mean things

01:07:12.640 to me

01:07:12.940 and I would

01:07:13.560 never repeat

01:07:14.300 them to a reporter

01:07:15.440 as indicative

01:07:16.260 of what my

01:07:17.500 press is

01:07:18.020 or how people

01:07:18.520 really feel

01:07:19.160 about me

01:07:19.560 right

01:07:19.800 so the fact

01:07:20.620 that she plucked

01:07:21.320 that one

01:07:21.800 to say

01:07:22.600 this

01:07:23.100 this is what

01:07:23.860 I mean

01:07:24.400 to the people

01:07:25.120 tells you a lot

01:07:26.320 about Megan

01:07:26.740 Markle

01:07:27.060 but now we find

01:07:28.360 out

01:07:28.660 it appears

01:07:29.900 to have been

01:07:30.480 a lie

01:07:31.120 you don't

01:07:33.340 say

01:07:33.740 the Daily Mail

01:07:37.400 and God bless

01:07:38.140 the Daily Mail

01:07:38.780 for going

01:07:39.260 and doing this

01:07:39.920 they went

01:07:41.000 and found

01:07:41.740 all of the

01:07:42.700 actors

01:07:43.160 who were in

01:07:44.120 that live

01:07:44.900 version of

01:07:45.320 the Lion King

01:07:45.860 and they

01:07:46.920 found the

01:07:48.200 one guy

01:07:48.940 who was

01:07:50.100 from South

01:07:50.740 Africa

01:07:51.120 as Megan

01:07:51.660 claims

01:07:52.060 the person

01:07:52.580 who said

01:07:52.880 this to her

01:07:53.300 was in

01:07:53.940 the cast

01:07:54.440 and from

01:07:55.220 South Africa

01:07:55.860 okay and I'm

01:07:56.620 going to read

01:07:56.860 it to you

01:07:57.180 an acclaimed

01:07:58.400 actor and friend

01:07:59.100 of Nelson

01:07:59.520 Mandela today

01:08:01.060 told Daily Mail

01:08:01.800 he's baffled

01:08:02.540 by her suggestions

01:08:03.880 that the country

01:08:04.480 had rejoiced

01:08:05.120 when she married

01:08:05.660 Prince Harry

01:08:06.200 and revealed

01:08:07.160 he's never

01:08:08.060 met her

01:08:08.760 despite claiming

01:08:10.120 to be the only

01:08:10.980 South African

01:08:11.520 member of the

01:08:12.040 cast in Disney's

01:08:12.820 remake of the

01:08:13.400 Lion King

01:08:13.780 he's gone

01:08:15.220 on the record

01:08:15.640 his name

01:08:16.340 is Dr.

01:08:16.820 John

01:08:17.040 Connie

01:08:17.500 K-A-N-I

01:08:19.260 he believes

01:08:20.160 the Duchess

01:08:20.680 of Sussex

01:08:21.160 has made

01:08:21.600 a quote

01:08:21.940 faux pas

01:08:22.520 after she

01:08:23.480 used a

01:08:23.800 US magazine

01:08:24.320 interview

01:08:24.640 to imply

01:08:25.140 that her

01:08:25.500 royal wedding

01:08:26.040 sparked

01:08:26.320 celebrations

01:08:26.840 in South

01:08:27.260 Africa

01:08:27.560 reminiscent

01:08:27.980 of the

01:08:28.880 release

01:08:29.260 of his

01:08:29.660 friend

01:08:30.300 Nelson

01:08:31.740 Mandela

01:08:32.080 the legendary

01:08:32.740 anti-apartheid

01:08:33.640 leader

01:08:33.860 he said

01:08:34.780 Mr.

01:08:35.040 Mandela's

01:08:35.400 walk to

01:08:35.660 freedom

01:08:35.840 after 27

01:08:36.380 years

01:08:36.660 was a landmark

01:08:37.220 moment

01:08:37.660 while her

01:08:38.460 marriage

01:08:38.700 to Prince

01:08:38.980 Harry

01:08:39.180 was no big

01:08:39.680 deal

01:08:40.000 in South

01:08:40.720 Africa

01:08:41.080 adding that

01:08:42.000 the two

01:08:42.260 events

01:08:42.540 quote

01:08:42.780 cannot be

01:08:43.260 spoken of

01:08:43.900 in the

01:08:44.220 same breath

01:08:44.960 and you

01:08:45.640 can't really

01:08:46.060 even say

01:08:46.580 where you

01:08:46.920 were when

01:08:47.440 Meghan

01:08:47.660 married

01:08:48.000 Harry

01:08:48.280 she of

01:08:49.720 course

01:08:49.960 had gone

01:08:50.360 on

01:08:50.560 blah blah

01:08:50.820 blah

01:08:50.980 oh here's

01:08:51.360 her quote

01:08:51.760 I just

01:08:52.240 need you

01:08:52.520 to know

01:08:52.860 he allegedly

01:08:53.360 looked at

01:08:53.700 me and

01:08:53.960 said

01:08:54.220 I just

01:08:54.920 need you

01:08:55.220 to know

01:08:55.540 when you

01:08:55.820 married

01:08:56.040 into this

01:08:56.480 family

01:08:56.860 we rejoiced

01:08:57.900 in the

01:08:58.160 streets

01:08:58.460 the same

01:08:58.900 as we

01:08:59.140 did when

01:08:59.420 Mandela

01:08:59.760 was freed

01:09:00.180 from prison

01:09:00.700 but Dr.

01:09:01.740 Connie

01:09:02.000 a veteran

01:09:02.440 of the

01:09:02.740 Royal

01:09:02.920 Shakespeare

01:09:03.220 company

01:09:03.640 who voiced

01:09:04.120 the

01:09:04.360 Mandrill

01:09:10.000 in the

01:09:10.240 production

01:09:10.640 he's

01:09:11.320 never

01:09:11.560 met

01:09:11.820 Meghan

01:09:12.140 he was

01:09:12.840 not at

01:09:13.200 the UK

01:09:13.560 premiere

01:09:14.020 and he

01:09:16.300 said the

01:09:16.620 only other

01:09:17.160 South African

01:09:17.720 who was

01:09:18.000 involved

01:09:18.340 was

01:09:18.660 Lebo

01:09:19.060 M

01:09:19.340 a composer

01:09:20.020 who was

01:09:21.060 responsible

01:09:21.440 for the

01:09:21.840 music

01:09:22.140 but he

01:09:22.560 was not

01:09:22.920 in the

01:09:23.140 cast

01:09:23.500 anyway

01:09:24.160 Maureen

01:09:24.860 it appears

01:09:25.720 to be

01:09:26.260 completely

01:09:26.880 made up

01:09:28.160 oh you

01:09:30.060 know I

01:09:30.460 feel as

01:09:31.340 though

01:09:31.780 everyone

01:09:32.480 aside from

01:09:33.420 Meghan

01:09:33.740 Markle

01:09:34.440 has

01:09:35.440 realized

01:09:36.180 that Meghan

01:09:36.700 Markle

01:09:37.160 is now

01:09:37.580 firmly

01:09:38.180 in camp

01:09:38.820 territory

01:09:39.400 you know

01:09:40.540 to

01:09:40.980 compare

01:09:42.740 yourself

01:09:43.760 you know

01:09:44.640 a minor

01:09:45.420 royal

01:09:46.220 who worked

01:09:47.020 for I

01:09:47.940 think 18

01:09:48.540 months

01:09:48.900 maybe

01:09:49.320 to Nelson

01:09:51.020 Mandela

01:09:51.520 I mean

01:09:51.900 I said

01:09:53.040 in the

01:09:53.260 column

01:09:53.600 it's clear

01:09:54.160 she has

01:09:54.540 no friends

01:09:55.380 left

01:09:56.200 it's clear

01:09:56.720 that there

01:09:57.320 is no

01:09:57.760 publicist

01:09:58.480 or crisis

01:09:59.600 manager

01:10:00.100 of repute

01:10:01.040 who would

01:10:01.920 work with

01:10:02.480 her

01:10:02.780 you know

01:10:03.840 I just

01:10:05.480 it

01:10:05.780 it

01:10:06.700 it

01:10:07.480 made me

01:10:08.120 laugh out

01:10:08.720 loud

01:10:09.060 but also

01:10:09.740 it was

01:10:10.260 jaw-dropping

01:10:11.200 and offensive

01:10:12.040 and

01:10:12.980 narcissistic

01:10:14.700 isn't a big

01:10:15.220 enough word

01:10:15.960 but I

01:10:17.200 you know

01:10:17.760 she just

01:10:18.740 she keeps

01:10:20.020 giving us

01:10:20.920 like

01:10:21.880 this is the

01:10:23.040 content

01:10:23.400 she's providing

01:10:24.300 she doesn't

01:10:25.280 realize it's

01:10:26.460 it's comic

01:10:27.160 relief

01:10:27.780 we're not

01:10:28.940 admiring her

01:10:29.820 no

01:10:30.140 and then

01:10:31.540 and then

01:10:31.820 when we

01:10:32.120 don't admire

01:10:32.700 her

01:10:32.940 she gets

01:10:33.300 confused

01:10:33.700 like

01:10:33.960 I'm being

01:10:34.880 misrepresented

01:10:35.640 again

01:10:36.300 as opposed

01:10:37.160 to the

01:10:37.480 reality

01:10:37.900 of

01:10:38.180 no

01:10:38.640 you're

01:10:38.880 perfectly

01:10:39.280 well

01:10:39.620 represented

01:10:40.120 we

01:10:40.400 see

01:10:40.840 exactly

01:10:41.440 who

01:10:41.740 you

01:10:41.940 are

01:10:42.320 and

01:10:42.960 are

01:10:43.180 reacting

01:10:43.580 accordingly

01:10:44.120 well

01:10:45.160 the

01:10:45.520 you know

01:10:46.160 you mentioned

01:10:46.660 at the

01:10:47.000 top of

01:10:47.940 the

01:10:48.280 segment

01:10:48.800 her

01:10:49.880 second

01:10:50.340 podcast

01:10:51.120 episode

01:10:52.080 I

01:10:52.700 listened

01:10:53.120 to the

01:10:53.400 first

01:10:53.620 it was

01:10:53.860 really

01:10:54.240 it was

01:10:54.720 really

01:10:55.100 tough

01:10:55.320 going

01:10:55.600 I mean

01:10:55.820 I

01:10:55.960 earned

01:10:56.300 my

01:10:56.500 paycheck

01:10:56.800 that

01:10:57.100 week

01:10:57.380 but

01:10:58.200 you know

01:10:59.700 Mariah Carey

01:11:00.720 saying to

01:11:01.160 her

01:11:01.320 you've

01:11:01.700 given us

01:11:02.080 some diva

01:11:02.520 moments

01:11:02.920 and

01:11:03.220 you know

01:11:03.860 Megan

01:11:04.240 has

01:11:04.560 this

01:11:04.800 sort

01:11:05.040 of

01:11:05.240 on

01:11:05.600 air

01:11:06.080 meltdown

01:11:07.320 in which

01:11:07.640 she

01:11:07.800 sort

01:11:08.020 of

01:11:08.140 talks

01:11:08.620 herself

01:11:09.020 out

01:11:09.360 of

01:11:09.640 believing

01:11:10.060 that

01:11:10.380 somehow

01:11:10.820 shade

01:11:11.460 into

01:11:12.380 Mariah

01:11:13.180 actually

01:11:13.560 paying

01:11:13.940 her

01:11:14.160 the

01:11:14.340 highest

01:11:14.660 of

01:11:14.820 compliments

01:11:15.320 you know

01:11:16.100 it's

01:11:16.540 a really

01:11:16.940 fascinating

01:11:17.540 window

01:11:17.900 into

01:11:18.140 that

01:11:18.380 psyche

01:11:18.760 where

01:11:19.360 criticism

01:11:20.700 of

01:11:21.000 any

01:11:21.200 kind

01:11:21.700 it

01:11:21.960 just

01:11:22.140 cannot

01:11:22.780 be

01:11:23.020 tolerated

01:11:23.680 yes

01:11:24.500 that's

01:11:25.240 exactly

01:11:25.500 right

01:11:25.660 and she

01:11:25.840 has a

01:11:26.060 pattern

01:11:26.320 of

01:11:26.480 that

01:11:26.620 right

01:11:26.880 a

01:11:27.120 suing

01:11:27.640 I mean

01:11:28.200 we all

01:11:28.560 get

01:11:28.720 bad

01:11:28.980 press

01:11:29.300 anybody

01:11:29.620 who's

01:11:29.880 in the

01:11:30.060 public

01:11:30.280 eye

01:11:30.500 is

01:11:30.660 going

01:11:30.800 to

01:11:30.920 get

01:11:31.080 negative

01:11:31.780 nasty

01:11:32.260 press

01:11:32.620 for

01:11:33.100 me

01:11:33.300 I

01:11:33.560 move

01:11:33.820 past

01:11:34.160 it

01:11:34.320 I'm

01:11:34.640 quick

01:11:34.860 to

01:11:35.020 forgive

01:11:35.300 it's

01:11:35.580 our

01:11:35.760 business

01:11:36.140 you

01:11:36.360 can't

01:11:36.660 be

01:11:36.760 a

01:11:36.880 public

01:11:37.080 figure

01:11:37.420 and

01:11:37.980 not

01:11:38.180 be

01:11:38.320 able

01:11:38.440 to

01:11:38.580 take

01:11:38.740 some

01:11:38.940 barbs

01:11:39.240 and

01:11:39.340 arrows

01:11:39.640 and

01:11:39.820 just

01:11:39.960 move

01:11:40.220 on

01:11:40.860 you

01:11:41.120 know

01:11:41.220 like

01:11:41.380 my

01:11:41.560 God

01:11:41.780 be

01:11:41.940 a

01:11:42.080 grown

01:11:42.300 up

01:11:42.500 but

01:11:43.020 the

01:11:43.320 more

01:11:43.540 she

01:11:43.740 talks

01:11:44.080 the

01:11:44.220 more

01:11:44.360 I'm

01:11:44.500 like

01:11:44.680 now

01:11:44.920 I

01:11:45.320 get

01:11:45.580 it

01:11:45.860 like

01:11:46.360 Mariah

01:11:47.420 Carrie

01:11:47.940 who

01:11:48.580 Megan

01:11:48.980 is

01:11:49.260 calling

01:11:49.660 a

01:11:49.920 diva

01:11:50.380 turns

01:11:51.180 to

01:11:51.340 her

01:11:51.460 and

01:11:51.600 says

01:11:51.800 you've

01:11:52.100 had

01:11:52.280 diva

01:11:52.580 moments

01:11:52.940 too

01:11:53.300 and

01:11:53.880 she's

01:11:54.200 so

01:11:54.400 wounded

01:11:54.920 that

01:11:55.620 she

01:11:55.780 later

01:11:56.040 says

01:11:56.340 she

01:11:56.500 began

01:11:56.840 sweating

01:11:57.440 and

01:11:58.040 realized

01:11:58.380 her

01:11:58.600 girl

01:11:59.000 crush

01:11:59.360 might

01:11:59.600 be

01:11:59.820 over

01:12:00.260 and

01:12:00.920 was

01:12:01.240 only

01:12:01.460 able

01:12:01.700 to

01:12:01.860 move

01:12:02.020 past

01:12:02.480 it

01:12:02.700 once

01:12:03.320 Mariah

01:12:03.940 clarified

01:12:04.660 that

01:12:05.420 she

01:12:05.620 meant

01:12:05.940 it

01:12:06.080 as

01:12:06.280 a

01:12:06.440 compliment

01:12:06.920 and

01:12:07.180 was

01:12:07.360 speaking

01:12:07.720 about

01:12:08.080 Megan's

01:12:08.500 looks

01:12:08.980 I

01:12:09.820 threw

01:12:10.180 up

01:12:10.420 a

01:12:10.560 little

01:12:10.660 in

01:12:10.820 my

01:12:10.980 mouth

01:12:11.280 Maureen

01:12:11.680 yeah

01:12:14.700 I

01:12:15.040 mean

01:12:15.200 this

01:12:15.360 is

01:12:15.500 kind

01:12:15.780 of

01:12:15.880 what

01:12:16.000 we're

01:12:16.160 in

01:12:16.340 for

01:12:16.540 I

01:12:16.700 think

01:12:16.900 her

01:12:17.080 presence

01:12:19.080 on

01:12:19.320 Spotify

01:12:19.680 will

01:12:20.080 not

01:12:20.420 be

01:12:20.580 a

01:12:20.760 long

01:12:21.040 one

01:12:21.460 I

01:12:23.260 just

01:12:25.700 the

01:12:26.240 other

01:12:26.420 thing

01:12:26.660 that

01:12:26.860 you know

01:12:28.280 perplexes

01:12:29.200 me

01:12:29.440 and

01:12:30.740 we

01:12:30.900 saw

01:12:31.200 it

01:12:31.340 with

01:12:31.480 the

01:12:31.620 Oprah

01:12:31.860 interview

01:12:32.300 and

01:12:32.520 I'm

01:12:33.460 not

01:12:33.640 saying

01:12:33.900 this

01:12:34.080 in

01:12:34.200 any

01:12:34.540 self

01:12:34.800 congratulatory

01:12:35.540 way

01:12:35.820 but

01:12:36.000 at

01:12:36.120 the

01:12:36.220 time

01:12:36.560 I

01:12:36.760 felt

01:12:37.000 like

01:12:37.160 I

01:12:37.280 was

01:12:37.400 the

01:12:37.540 only

01:12:37.780 person

01:12:38.160 watching

01:12:38.560 it

01:12:38.820 who

01:12:39.360 thought

01:12:39.660 she

01:12:39.820 was

01:12:39.980 completely

01:12:40.480 full

01:12:40.900 of

01:12:41.040 it

01:12:41.260 you

01:12:41.540 know

01:12:41.780 it

01:12:42.400 was

01:12:42.540 such

01:12:42.700 a

01:12:42.860 terrible

01:12:43.340 performance

01:12:44.020 and

01:12:45.100 Prince

01:12:45.540 Harry

01:12:45.840 looked

01:12:46.160 so

01:12:46.780 uncomfortable

01:12:47.580 especially

01:12:48.280 when

01:12:48.620 she

01:12:48.840 brought

01:12:49.100 up

01:12:49.240 the

01:12:49.340 thing

01:12:49.480 about

01:12:49.700 the

01:12:50.040 quote

01:12:51.160 unquote

01:12:51.440 racist

01:12:51.960 royal

01:12:52.400 you know

01:12:53.020 and

01:12:53.160 you saw

01:12:53.500 Oprah's

01:12:53.940 eyes

01:12:54.180 just

01:12:54.400 light up

01:12:55.160 you know

01:12:55.740 and

01:12:56.140 then

01:12:56.240 they

01:12:56.360 pretended

01:12:56.660 to be

01:12:57.240 offended

01:12:58.320 beyond all

01:12:58.860 measure

01:12:59.120 but

01:12:59.320 you see

01:12:59.820 Oprah

01:13:00.100 going

01:13:00.420 oh my

01:13:00.660 god

01:13:00.880 this

01:13:01.040 is

01:13:01.160 the

01:13:01.280 most

01:13:01.440 amazing

01:13:01.800 piece

01:13:02.100 of

01:13:02.280 gossip

01:13:02.660 I've

01:13:02.900 heard

01:13:03.080 in

01:13:03.220 forever

01:13:03.560 but

01:13:05.360 she

01:13:05.720 lies

01:13:06.180 she's

01:13:06.500 a liar

01:13:06.920 she's

01:13:07.440 a liar

01:13:07.760 and

01:13:08.560 I

01:13:09.560 see

01:13:10.080 very

01:13:10.800 few

01:13:11.200 in the

01:13:12.700 bellwether

01:13:16.540 in terms

01:13:17.040 of

01:13:17.220 where

01:13:17.400 we

01:13:17.600 are

01:13:17.860 as a

01:13:18.180 society

01:13:18.620 you know

01:13:19.580 there's

01:13:20.160 there's

01:13:20.480 something

01:13:20.740 a little

01:13:21.640 bit

01:13:21.820 deeper

01:13:22.080 going

01:13:22.380 on

01:13:22.640 and

01:13:22.780 you

01:13:23.180 know

01:13:23.280 I

01:13:23.460 think

01:13:23.720 that

01:13:24.080 with

01:13:25.020 her

01:13:25.520 you

01:13:25.780 know

01:13:25.880 she

01:13:26.040 she

01:13:26.440 she

01:13:26.600 brought

01:13:27.160 up

01:13:27.340 race

01:13:27.600 again

01:13:28.040 in

01:13:28.820 the

01:13:29.000 interview

01:13:29.360 without

01:13:29.620 ever

01:13:29.940 bringing

01:13:30.400 it

01:13:30.580 up

01:13:30.900 you

01:13:31.420 know

01:13:31.500 without

01:13:31.660 ever

01:13:31.820 using

01:13:32.220 the

01:13:32.420 words

01:13:32.900 but

01:13:33.160 you

01:13:33.360 know

01:13:33.440 a lot

01:13:33.620 of

01:13:33.720 charge

01:13:34.280 stuff

01:13:34.760 and

01:13:34.960 you

01:13:35.720 know

01:13:35.860 she's

01:13:36.700 what

01:13:36.980 she's

01:13:37.220 really

01:13:37.500 doing

01:13:37.860 is

01:13:38.020 trivializing

01:13:38.760 it

01:13:38.940 and

01:13:39.040 what

01:13:39.160 she's

01:13:39.360 really

01:13:39.620 doing

01:13:39.980 is

01:13:40.280 you

01:13:40.920 know

01:13:41.040 sort

01:13:41.260 of

01:13:41.420 digging

01:13:41.680 her

01:13:41.960 own

01:13:42.140 grave

01:13:42.420 because

01:13:42.700 there

01:13:42.900 will

01:13:43.100 come

01:13:43.280 a

01:13:43.420 point

01:13:43.620 when

01:13:43.900 nobody

01:13:45.000 will

01:13:45.220 believe

01:13:45.500 my

01:13:45.800 other

01:13:46.180 favorite

01:13:46.560 tall

01:13:46.860 tale

01:13:47.220 from

01:13:47.800 her

01:13:48.020 podcast

01:13:48.420 last

01:13:48.920 week

01:13:49.220 was

01:13:49.860 in

01:13:50.780 some

01:13:51.000 substance

01:13:51.500 that

01:13:51.920 baby

01:13:52.520 Archie

01:13:52.940 almost

01:13:53.300 burned

01:13:53.660 to

01:13:53.840 death

01:13:54.060 while

01:13:54.240 they

01:13:54.380 were

01:13:54.540 on

01:13:54.720 tour

01:13:54.900 in

01:13:55.040 South

01:13:55.220 Africa

01:13:55.580 and

01:13:55.820 the

01:13:56.000 royals

01:13:56.340 did

01:13:56.600 not

01:13:56.820 care

01:13:57.180 he

01:13:58.580 was

01:13:58.740 caught

01:13:59.040 in

01:13:59.200 a

01:13:59.320 towering

01:13:59.800 inferno

01:14:00.380 and

01:14:01.120 no

01:14:01.400 one

01:14:01.580 gave

01:14:01.780 a

01:14:01.900 shit

01:14:02.080 yeah

01:14:02.480 the

01:14:02.720 space

01:14:03.040 heater

01:14:03.260 the

01:14:03.520 errant

01:14:03.800 space

01:14:04.140 heater

01:14:04.400 that

01:14:04.800 almost

01:14:05.060 went

01:14:05.280 up

01:14:05.480 you

01:14:05.640 know

01:14:05.800 I

01:14:05.980 mean

01:14:06.360 in

01:14:06.900 a

01:14:06.980 room

01:14:07.220 in which

01:14:07.560 the

01:14:07.760 baby

01:14:08.020 was

01:14:08.300 not

01:14:08.500 present

01:14:08.920 no

01:14:09.420 the

01:14:09.600 baby

01:14:09.780 wasn't

01:14:10.100 there

01:14:10.220 conveniently

01:14:10.700 left

01:14:10.980 out

01:14:11.240 the

01:14:11.660 baby

01:14:11.880 was

01:14:12.080 not

01:14:12.300 there

01:14:12.540 the

01:14:12.720 baby

01:14:12.920 was

01:14:13.120 never

01:14:13.380 in

01:14:13.580 danger

01:14:13.880 but

01:14:14.080 you

01:14:14.200 know

01:14:14.940 to

01:14:15.540 Megan

01:14:15.920 in

01:14:16.520 her

01:14:17.040 description

01:14:17.520 of

01:14:17.780 it

01:14:17.920 this

01:14:18.100 was

01:14:18.260 just

01:14:18.520 just

01:14:18.960 the

01:14:19.220 most

01:14:20.440 monstrous

01:14:21.420 thing

01:14:21.900 for

01:14:22.460 the

01:14:23.540 royals

01:14:24.060 to

01:14:24.360 expect

01:14:24.780 her

01:14:24.900 to

01:14:25.060 carry

01:14:25.260 on

01:14:25.460 with

01:14:25.600 her

01:14:25.740 duties

01:14:26.020 as

01:14:26.240 though

01:14:26.360 nothing

01:14:26.600 had

01:14:26.780 happened

01:14:27.180 because

01:14:27.940 in

01:14:28.240 essence

01:14:28.520 nothing

01:14:28.800 had

01:14:29.120 happened

01:14:29.560 right

01:14:30.620 so

01:14:31.040 she

01:14:31.660 does

01:14:32.040 lie

01:14:32.380 and

01:14:32.600 you're

01:14:33.000 exactly

01:14:33.340 right

01:14:33.620 I wanted

01:14:34.040 to make

01:14:34.240 a point

01:14:34.560 on the

01:14:34.800 race

01:14:35.020 thing

01:14:35.260 so

01:14:35.880 she

01:14:36.080 says

01:14:36.340 to

01:14:36.500 Oprah

01:14:36.820 there's

01:14:37.180 a

01:14:37.320 raging

01:14:37.820 racist

01:14:38.240 basically

01:14:38.700 in the

01:14:38.960 royal

01:14:39.120 family

01:14:39.500 who

01:14:39.720 is

01:14:39.880 concerned

01:14:40.320 about

01:14:40.600 how

01:14:40.780 dark

01:14:41.100 my

01:14:41.340 children

01:14:41.640 are

01:14:41.860 going

01:14:42.040 to

01:14:42.200 be

01:14:42.400 and

01:14:43.280 she

01:14:43.540 doesn't

01:14:43.880 have

01:14:44.180 the

01:14:44.320 presence

01:14:44.620 of

01:14:44.800 mind

01:14:45.200 while

01:14:45.680 Prince

01:14:45.960 Philip

01:14:46.200 at the

01:14:46.420 time

01:14:46.580 was

01:14:46.700 on

01:14:46.800 his

01:14:46.920 death

01:14:47.160 bed

01:14:47.480 to

01:14:47.900 at

01:14:56.020 they

01:14:56.260 just

01:14:56.500 kept

01:14:56.840 their

01:14:56.980 mouths

01:14:57.200 silent

01:14:57.820 and

01:14:58.180 indicted

01:14:59.080 everybody

01:14:59.540 in doing

01:14:59.940 that

01:15:00.180 and

01:15:00.660 Oprah

01:15:01.160 no

01:15:01.820 follow

01:15:02.160 up

01:15:02.640 what

01:15:02.980 like

01:15:03.440 right

01:15:03.620 like

01:15:03.800 she

01:15:04.040 I

01:15:05.300 would

01:15:05.460 have

01:15:05.520 been

01:15:05.600 all

01:15:05.760 over

01:15:05.920 them

01:15:06.060 what

01:15:06.200 like

01:15:06.360 white

01:15:06.600 on

01:15:06.760 rice

01:15:07.060 you

01:15:07.240 know

01:15:07.320 what

01:15:07.380 I

01:15:07.400 mean

01:15:07.460 like

01:15:07.600 who

01:15:07.980 exactly

01:15:08.380 you

01:15:08.660 have

01:15:08.920 to

01:15:09.060 tell

01:15:09.220 me

01:15:09.340 you

01:15:09.500 can't

01:15:09.740 make

01:15:09.860 an

01:15:09.960 allegation

01:15:10.380 like

01:15:10.580 that

01:15:10.820 and

01:15:11.000 not

01:15:11.220 she

01:15:11.580 gave

01:15:11.740 one

01:15:11.980 pushback

01:15:12.460 and

01:15:12.800 that

01:15:12.960 was

01:15:13.120 it

01:15:13.420 who

01:15:14.080 when

01:15:14.560 where

01:15:15.000 why

01:15:15.480 what

01:15:15.740 was

01:15:15.860 the

01:15:15.960 follow

01:15:16.160 up

01:15:16.360 what

01:15:16.520 did

01:15:16.660 you

01:15:16.760 do

01:15:16.960 same

01:15:17.560 problem

01:15:17.940 for

01:15:18.120 this

01:15:18.320 reporter

01:15:18.680 from

01:15:18.960 the

01:15:19.160 cut

01:15:19.500 right

01:15:20.120 where

01:15:20.340 Megan

01:15:20.700 goes

01:15:21.020 on

01:15:21.440 about

01:15:21.860 she

01:15:23.240 says

01:15:23.540 that

01:15:23.680 the

01:15:23.840 press

01:15:24.200 has

01:15:24.380 been

01:15:24.520 calling

01:15:24.900 her

01:15:25.120 children

01:15:25.540 the

01:15:25.860 n

01:15:26.200 word

01:15:26.540 totally

01:15:27.620 unsubstant

01:15:28.300 who

01:15:28.740 which

01:15:29.340 press

01:15:29.700 which

01:15:30.100 reporter

01:15:30.500 which

01:15:30.780 publish

01:15:31.180 which

01:15:32.020 publication

01:15:32.480 did

01:15:32.740 that

01:15:32.940 when

01:15:33.200 was

01:15:33.440 it

01:15:33.540 what

01:15:33.680 did

01:15:33.780 you

01:15:33.880 do

01:15:34.180 was

01:15:34.640 it

01:15:34.720 ever

01:15:34.880 retracted

01:15:35.420 how

01:15:35.580 did

01:15:35.720 they

01:15:35.840 say

01:15:36.040 it

01:15:36.140 did

01:15:36.240 they

01:15:36.320 actually

01:15:36.540 use

01:15:36.840 it

01:15:37.020 because

01:15:37.340 that

01:15:37.480 word

01:15:37.680 could

01:15:37.840 never

01:15:38.020 appear

01:15:38.320 in

01:15:38.460 paper

01:15:38.840 in

01:15:39.420 today's

01:15:39.740 day

01:15:39.860 like

01:15:40.020 no

01:15:40.500 follow

01:15:40.880 up

01:15:41.160 she

01:15:41.440 throws

01:15:41.820 it

01:15:41.960 out

01:15:42.120 there

01:15:42.420 because

01:15:42.840 she

01:15:42.980 knows

01:15:43.200 that

01:15:43.340 they'll

01:15:43.620 dine

01:15:44.000 on

01:15:44.220 it

01:15:44.360 they'll

01:15:44.640 love

01:15:44.860 it

01:15:45.180 and

01:15:45.460 then

01:15:45.580 on

01:15:45.680 the

01:15:45.800 flip

01:15:46.080 side

01:15:46.480 she's

01:15:47.280 apparently

01:15:47.740 doing

01:15:47.960 the

01:15:48.120 same

01:15:48.320 thing

01:15:48.520 in

01:15:48.600 a

01:15:48.720 positive

01:15:49.260 way

01:15:49.520 she's

01:15:49.840 using

01:15:50.080 race

01:15:50.320 in

01:15:50.420 a

01:15:50.520 positive

01:15:50.880 way

01:15:51.200 and

01:15:51.700 comparing

01:15:52.080 herself

01:15:52.420 to

01:15:52.560 Nelson

01:15:52.880 Mandela

01:15:53.300 which

01:15:53.580 is

01:15:53.720 also

01:15:53.960 a

01:15:54.180 lie

01:15:54.440 it's

01:15:54.840 also

01:15:55.100 I

01:15:55.740 think

01:15:56.140 that's

01:15:56.500 it's

01:15:57.020 terrible

01:15:57.360 Nelson

01:15:59.640 Mandela

01:16:00.220 I mean

01:16:00.620 that's

01:16:00.860 sacrilege

01:16:01.400 I

01:16:01.680 you

01:16:02.080 know

01:16:02.240 but

01:16:02.780 I

01:16:02.960 do

01:16:03.200 think

01:16:03.720 the

01:16:04.080 what

01:16:05.400 you

01:16:05.500 were

01:16:05.600 saying

01:16:05.780 about

01:16:05.980 Oprah

01:16:06.280 I

01:16:06.520 do

01:16:06.700 think

01:16:06.900 Oprah

01:16:07.240 realizes

01:16:08.160 the

01:16:08.940 dent

01:16:09.500 that

01:16:09.860 that

01:16:10.140 interview

01:16:10.460 did

01:16:10.800 to

01:16:11.120 her

01:16:11.340 her

01:16:11.660 legacy

01:16:12.020 her

01:16:12.280 brand

01:16:12.740 she's

01:16:13.380 kept

01:16:13.580 her

01:16:13.720 distance

01:16:14.040 since

01:16:14.460 it

01:16:14.860 was

01:16:15.000 remarkably

01:16:15.620 sycophantic

01:16:16.360 for someone

01:16:16.860 like

01:16:17.100 Oprah

01:16:17.400 I mean

01:16:17.740 she

01:16:18.000 you

01:16:18.380 know

01:16:18.580 that

01:16:19.180 was

01:16:19.660 incredible

01:16:20.040 the

01:16:20.580 other

01:16:20.740 thing

01:16:20.980 that

01:16:21.140 I'm

01:16:21.320 so

01:16:21.520 glad

01:16:21.700 you

01:16:21.840 brought

01:16:22.040 up

01:16:22.240 that

01:16:22.460 the

01:16:22.880 assertion

01:16:23.420 that

01:16:23.660 Megan

01:16:24.560 made

01:16:24.860 that

01:16:25.060 her

01:16:25.420 baby

01:16:26.240 has

01:16:26.800 been

01:16:27.040 called

01:16:27.660 the

01:16:28.300 n

01:16:28.560 word

01:16:28.880 okay

01:16:29.640 a

01:16:30.060 baby

01:16:30.640 now

01:16:31.580 someone

01:16:32.580 as

01:16:32.980 wildly

01:16:33.860 litigious

01:16:34.500 as

01:16:35.180 Ms.

01:16:35.720 Meghan

01:16:35.920 Markle

01:16:36.400 you

01:16:36.900 don't

01:16:37.060 think

01:16:37.200 she

01:16:37.360 would

01:16:37.480 have

01:16:37.600 slapped

01:16:38.000 whoever

01:16:38.360 whatever

01:16:38.900 outlet

01:16:39.320 that

01:16:39.540 was

01:16:39.880 whatever

01:16:40.160 journalist

01:16:40.680 that

01:16:40.920 was

01:16:41.120 with

01:16:41.240 a

01:16:41.380 lawsuit

01:16:41.820 post

01:16:42.620 haste

01:16:43.380 please

01:16:43.840 do

01:16:44.540 you

01:16:44.700 think

01:16:44.960 that

01:16:45.220 if

01:16:45.540 that

01:16:46.380 had

01:16:46.900 been

01:16:47.260 printed

01:16:48.160 anywhere

01:16:48.860 aired

01:16:49.600 anywhere

01:16:50.080 that

01:16:50.340 that

01:16:50.560 wouldn't

01:16:50.840 be

01:16:51.040 a

01:16:51.300 huge

01:16:51.840 story

01:16:52.400 that

01:16:53.040 even

01:16:53.280 people

01:16:53.640 who

01:16:53.840 are

01:16:53.960 not

01:16:54.160 fans

01:16:54.560 of

01:16:54.700 Meghan

01:16:54.900 Markle

01:16:55.260 would

01:16:55.460 find

01:16:55.740 that

01:16:55.900 offensive

01:16:56.300 and

01:16:56.740 wrong

01:16:57.080 you

01:16:57.740 know

01:16:57.960 I

01:16:58.340 mean

01:16:58.560 she

01:16:58.860 she

01:16:59.260 she's

01:17:00.300 not

01:17:00.480 nearly

01:17:00.840 as

01:17:01.100 smart

01:17:01.340 as

01:17:01.500 she

01:17:01.680 believes

01:17:02.280 herself

01:17:02.620 to

01:17:02.820 be

01:17:02.960 because

01:17:03.260 she

01:17:03.520 makes

01:17:04.040 up

01:17:04.220 these

01:17:04.420 lies

01:17:04.760 that

01:17:04.940 are

01:17:05.040 so

01:17:05.500 easily

01:17:06.380 debunked

01:17:08.500 fact

01:17:09.580 checked

01:17:10.000 quickly

01:17:10.660 and

01:17:12.100 and

01:17:12.440 I

01:17:12.660 I

01:17:12.960 wonder

01:17:14.120 you

01:17:14.360 know

01:17:14.480 I

01:17:14.600 think

01:17:14.880 you

01:17:15.480 know

01:17:15.620 the

01:17:15.720 more

01:17:15.880 she

01:17:16.060 talks

01:17:16.320 I

01:17:16.440 think

01:17:16.560 the

01:17:16.700 more

01:17:17.000 the

01:17:17.600 more

01:17:18.280 toxic

01:17:18.940 a

01:17:19.500 presence

01:17:19.880 she

01:17:20.160 becomes

01:17:20.720 I

01:17:20.940 don't

01:17:21.180 think

01:17:21.420 you

01:17:21.920 know

01:17:22.000 she's

01:17:22.300 sort

01:17:22.520 of

01:17:24.900 married

01:17:25.180 in

01:17:25.460 she

01:17:25.640 was

01:17:25.820 editing

01:17:26.640 British

01:17:27.080 Vogue

01:17:27.740 and

01:17:28.300 she

01:17:28.680 before

01:17:29.340 she

01:17:29.580 was

01:17:29.720 even

01:17:29.920 married

01:17:30.220 to

01:17:30.420 Harry

01:17:30.640 she

01:17:30.860 was

01:17:31.020 on

01:17:31.140 the

01:17:31.240 cover

01:17:31.480 of

01:17:31.660 Vanity

01:17:31.980 Fair

01:17:32.240 which

01:17:32.480 if

01:17:32.680 anybody

01:17:33.060 needs

01:17:33.380 a good

01:17:33.720 end of

01:17:34.400 summer

01:17:34.600 read

01:17:35.000 Tom

01:17:35.420 Bower's

01:17:35.840 book

01:17:36.120 on the

01:17:36.440 royals

01:17:36.960 he's

01:17:38.000 got

01:17:38.120 this

01:17:38.320 great

01:17:38.940 vignette

01:17:39.380 in there

01:17:39.840 in which

01:17:40.700 you know

01:17:41.060 the royals

01:17:42.020 said to

01:17:42.320 her

01:17:42.480 you

01:17:42.860 cannot

01:17:43.500 you

01:17:44.040 can

01:17:44.200 do

01:17:44.380 this

01:17:44.580 cover

01:17:44.820 but

01:17:45.000 you

01:17:45.120 cannot

01:17:45.500 talk

01:17:45.840 about

01:17:46.160 anything

01:17:46.920 regarding

01:17:47.400 your

01:17:47.820 relationship

01:17:48.220 with

01:17:48.460 Harry

01:17:48.760 or

01:17:49.480 you

01:17:49.680 they

01:17:50.680 were

01:17:51.040 fast

01:17:51.800 tracking

01:17:52.100 her

01:17:52.340 in

01:17:52.640 which

01:17:53.960 is

01:17:54.080 also

01:17:54.280 something

01:17:54.600 she

01:17:54.820 never

01:17:55.380 ever

01:17:55.940 talks

01:17:56.480 about

01:17:56.800 all

01:17:58.020 the

01:17:58.220 special

01:17:58.740 dispensations

01:17:59.520 she was

01:17:59.880 given

01:18:00.120 because

01:18:00.520 she

01:18:00.780 was

01:18:00.960 seen

01:18:01.620 as a

01:18:02.180 win

01:18:02.480 she

01:18:03.180 was

01:18:03.340 seen

01:18:03.540 as an

01:18:03.780 asset

01:18:04.140 and

01:18:05.260 they

01:18:05.640 wanted

01:18:05.940 Harry

01:18:06.260 to be

01:18:06.560 happy

01:18:06.900 but

01:18:07.320 she's

01:18:08.620 gone

01:18:08.880 from

01:18:09.300 Vanity

01:18:10.360 Fair

01:18:10.620 which

01:18:10.860 in

01:18:11.480 Bower's

01:18:11.900 book

01:18:12.100 he

01:18:12.300 talks

01:18:12.720 about

01:18:12.920 how

01:18:13.060 she

01:18:13.180 lied

01:18:13.640 to

01:18:13.840 Harry

01:18:14.220 and

01:18:14.860 told

01:18:15.120 him

01:18:15.280 they

01:18:15.420 were

01:18:15.540 putting

01:18:15.860 her

01:18:16.060 on

01:18:16.200 the

01:18:16.320 cover

01:18:16.600 because

01:18:17.100 of

01:18:17.480 her

01:18:17.700 of

01:18:18.000 her

01:18:18.160 basic

01:18:18.520 cable

01:18:18.900 show

01:18:19.340 that

01:18:19.560 like

01:18:19.760 10

01:18:20.020 people

01:18:20.340 watch

01:18:20.720 you

01:18:20.900 know

01:18:21.120 and

01:18:21.880 so

01:18:22.080 now

01:18:22.580 he

01:18:22.820 must

01:18:23.040 know

01:18:23.300 this

01:18:23.520 is

01:18:23.660 I

01:18:23.840 mean

01:18:23.980 you

01:18:24.180 have

01:18:24.380 to

01:18:24.520 wonder

01:18:24.760 what

01:18:24.960 it's

01:18:25.120 like

01:18:25.280 in

01:18:25.400 that

01:18:25.540 house

01:18:25.960 you

01:18:26.140 know

01:18:26.400 and

01:18:26.620 lie

01:18:26.940 upon

01:18:27.280 lie

01:18:27.620 sort

01:18:27.920 of

01:18:28.220 reveals

01:18:29.000 itself

01:18:29.640 sounds

01:18:30.280 like

01:18:30.420 a

01:18:30.560 nightmare

01:18:30.860 I

01:18:31.160 mean

01:18:31.280 this is

01:18:32.000 the

01:18:32.120 anecdotes

01:18:32.600 in

01:18:32.720 that

01:18:32.860 piece

01:18:33.080 by

01:18:33.220 the

01:18:33.360 cut

01:18:33.560 where

01:18:34.040 he

01:18:34.300 she

01:18:34.520 I

01:18:35.340 know

01:18:35.520 you

01:18:35.700 wrote

01:18:35.900 about

01:18:36.120 this

01:18:36.340 I

01:18:36.480 think

01:18:36.680 but

01:18:37.200 where

01:18:37.480 they

01:18:37.720 saw

01:18:37.980 the

01:18:38.160 two

01:18:48.000 my

01:18:48.160 husband

01:18:49.160 looked

01:18:49.640 at

01:18:49.840 me

01:18:50.000 and

01:18:50.200 said

01:18:50.480 my

01:18:51.380 love

01:18:51.960 they're

01:18:52.780 us

01:18:53.360 oh

01:18:54.460 there's

01:18:54.840 so

01:18:55.120 many

01:18:55.420 gems

01:18:55.800 in

01:18:55.980 this

01:18:56.140 piece

01:18:56.560 one

01:18:57.260 of

01:18:57.380 my

01:18:57.500 other

01:18:57.720 favorites

01:18:58.100 which

01:18:58.300 I

01:18:58.440 didn't

01:18:58.980 didn't

01:18:59.300 make

01:18:59.460 it

01:18:59.560 into

01:18:59.720 the

01:18:59.860 column

01:19:00.200 was

01:19:00.440 you

01:19:00.620 know

01:19:00.680 she

01:19:00.840 has

01:19:01.140 Harry

01:19:01.660 up

01:19:02.360 the

01:19:02.540 road

01:19:03.000 you

01:19:03.560 know

01:19:03.660 the

01:19:03.820 multimillionaire

01:19:04.640 his

01:19:04.860 house

01:19:05.120 up

01:19:05.300 the

01:19:05.440 road

01:19:05.780 fixing

01:19:06.220 her

01:19:06.440 sprinklers

01:19:07.000 oh

01:19:07.960 right

01:19:08.140 yeah

01:19:08.420 like

01:19:08.760 like

01:19:09.060 I

01:19:09.320 don't

01:19:09.620 think

01:19:10.520 this

01:19:10.760 guy

01:19:11.080 has

01:19:11.380 ever

01:19:11.720 even

01:19:12.040 used

01:19:12.300 an

01:19:12.480 ATM

01:19:12.940 until

01:19:13.660 he

01:19:13.900 moved

01:19:14.140 to

01:19:14.340 America

01:19:14.740 I

01:19:15.260 mean

01:19:15.520 it

01:19:15.700 like

01:19:15.900 I

01:19:16.120 don't

01:19:16.420 think

01:19:16.860 there

01:19:17.600 are

01:19:17.780 many

01:19:18.040 things

01:19:18.420 he

01:19:18.560 can

01:19:18.740 do

01:19:18.960 for

01:19:19.200 himself

01:19:19.720 you

01:19:20.320 know

01:19:20.460 there's

01:19:20.680 this

01:19:21.760 moment

01:19:21.920 they only

01:19:23.520 talk about

01:19:23.900 how he's

01:19:24.460 joined a

01:19:24.860 polo team

01:19:25.540 it's like

01:19:25.940 anything else

01:19:27.300 great

01:19:28.000 great

01:19:29.000 yeah

01:19:29.460 I mean

01:19:30.080 there's

01:19:31.460 this moment

01:19:31.920 where you

01:19:32.380 know

01:19:32.460 she was

01:19:32.760 gone

01:19:33.000 the day

01:19:33.260 before

01:19:33.600 doing

01:19:33.900 this

01:19:34.160 photo

01:19:34.640 shoot

01:19:34.880 which

01:19:35.060 she

01:19:35.260 couldn't

01:19:35.520 do

01:19:35.700 in

01:19:35.980 her

01:19:36.200 own

01:19:36.700 mansion

01:19:37.760 she had

01:19:38.160 to borrow

01:19:38.520 a mansion

01:19:38.960 for it

01:19:39.420 God

01:19:39.600 knows

01:19:39.800 why

01:19:40.200 and he

01:19:40.500 says

01:19:40.700 to

01:19:43.660 he

01:19:43.700 was

01:19:43.820 clearly

01:19:44.240 just

01:19:44.500 rattling

01:19:44.900 around

01:19:45.440 hapless

01:19:45.960 and helpless

01:19:46.760 and

01:19:47.420 and my

01:19:48.580 other

01:19:48.820 favorite

01:19:49.120 was the

01:19:49.520 school run

01:19:50.280 another

01:19:51.500 lie

01:19:51.940 and

01:19:52.400 this

01:19:52.740 great

01:19:53.700 detail

01:19:54.220 she's

01:19:54.520 gotten

01:19:54.760 there

01:19:55.020 where

01:19:55.180 these

01:19:55.380 two

01:19:55.780 mothers

01:19:56.240 waiting

01:19:56.640 for their

01:19:57.040 kids

01:19:57.280 to do

01:19:57.460 a

01:19:57.560 double

01:19:57.820 take

01:19:58.180 and

01:19:58.780 it

01:19:59.120 doesn't

01:19:59.500 seem

01:19:59.780 that

01:19:59.920 it's

01:20:00.100 because

01:20:00.380 they

01:20:00.580 can't

01:20:00.840 believe

01:20:01.780 the

01:20:02.020 Meghan

01:20:02.360 Markle

01:20:02.840 is

01:20:03.100 in

01:20:03.220 their

01:20:03.340 presence

01:20:03.680 it's

01:20:03.920 because

01:20:04.100 they

01:20:04.220 probably

01:20:04.500 never

01:20:04.920 see

01:20:05.220 her

01:20:05.540 pick

01:20:06.560 up

01:20:06.820 it's

01:20:07.200 probably

01:20:07.720 the

01:20:07.960 nanny

01:20:08.340 and

01:20:09.440 then

01:20:09.580 of

01:20:09.760 course

01:20:09.960 the

01:20:13.660 guy

01:20:13.760 who

01:20:13.900 I

01:20:14.200 love

01:20:14.420 how

01:20:14.540 you

01:20:14.660 talk

01:20:14.840 about

01:20:15.000 how

01:20:15.120 yes

01:20:15.320 what

01:20:15.460 are

01:20:15.540 we

01:20:15.640 teaching

01:20:15.960 little

01:20:16.220 Archie

01:20:16.600 because

01:20:16.780 they

01:20:16.920 stopped

01:20:17.280 and

01:20:17.480 gave

01:20:18.060 some

01:20:18.460 homeless

01:20:18.700 guy

01:20:18.860 a

01:20:19.000 backpack

01:20:19.300 with

01:20:19.680 like

01:20:19.880 some

01:20:20.040 supplies

01:20:20.440 in

01:20:20.620 it

01:20:20.720 go ahead

01:20:21.000 like

01:20:21.280 a

01:20:21.400 puny

01:20:21.800 like

01:20:22.120 you

01:20:22.760 know

01:20:22.880 granola

01:20:23.280 bar

01:20:23.600 because

01:20:23.980 you

01:20:24.140 know

01:20:24.280 you

01:20:25.120 can

01:20:25.260 only

01:20:25.460 eat

01:20:25.720 healthy

01:20:26.080 and

01:20:26.240 organic

01:20:26.620 even

01:20:26.880 if

01:20:27.040 you're

01:20:27.140 homeless

01:20:27.440 like

01:20:27.680 don't

01:20:27.880 give

01:20:28.020 them

01:20:28.160 a

01:20:29.820 gift

01:20:29.980 card

01:20:30.360 or

01:20:30.520 cash

01:20:31.140 or

01:20:31.360 you

01:20:31.620 know

01:20:31.800 anything

01:20:32.520 usable

01:20:32.980 but

01:20:33.320 you

01:20:33.520 know

01:20:43.660 and

01:20:44.020 one

01:20:44.180 wants

01:20:44.380 to

01:20:44.480 help

01:20:44.640 somebody

01:20:44.920 who's

01:20:45.140 suffering

01:20:45.440 send

01:20:46.120 your

01:20:46.300 security

01:20:46.820 you

01:20:47.180 just

01:20:47.420 send

01:20:47.660 your

01:20:47.840 staff

01:20:48.260 right

01:20:48.500 out

01:20:48.700 there

01:20:48.920 and

01:20:49.500 then

01:20:49.620 you

01:20:49.700 come

01:20:49.860 home

01:20:50.100 to

01:20:50.240 your

01:20:50.420 Tyler

01:20:51.060 Perry

01:20:51.480 gifted

01:20:52.020 grand

01:20:52.760 piano

01:20:53.260 like

01:20:54.220 the

01:20:54.400 name

01:20:54.820 dropping

01:20:55.340 of

01:20:56.020 the

01:20:56.240 celebrities

01:20:57.120 who

01:20:57.800 I

01:20:58.100 knew

01:20:58.320 before

01:20:58.820 I

01:20:59.120 met

01:20:59.420 my

01:20:59.760 husband

01:21:00.340 you

01:21:00.920 say

01:21:01.080 in

01:21:01.160 your

01:21:01.240 piece

01:21:01.400 oh

01:21:01.520 so

01:21:01.680 relatable

01:21:02.200 right

01:21:02.540 like

01:21:02.680 she

01:21:02.800 doesn't

01:21:03.060 get

01:21:03.240 why

01:21:03.380 we

01:21:03.540 can't

01:21:03.900 stand

01:21:04.180 her

01:21:04.400 oh

01:21:04.940 my

01:21:05.160 goodness

01:21:05.480 she

01:21:05.660 did

01:21:05.820 it

01:21:05.920 with

01:21:06.080 Serena

01:21:06.460 Williams

01:21:06.960 too

01:21:07.240 the

01:21:07.480 bulk

01:21:08.220 of

01:21:08.340 the

01:21:08.460 podcast

01:21:08.860 was

01:21:09.320 making

01:21:09.840 sure

01:21:10.140 that

01:21:10.340 we

01:21:10.520 all

01:21:10.740 understood

01:21:11.220 that

01:21:11.740 she

01:21:12.080 befriended

01:21:12.800 Serena

01:21:13.300 before

01:21:14.140 she

01:21:14.460 ever

01:21:14.760 knew

01:21:14.960 Harry

01:21:15.360 right

01:21:15.940 so

01:21:16.600 you

01:21:17.220 know

01:21:17.740 it's

01:21:19.860 such

01:21:20.020 a

01:21:20.260 she

01:21:21.120 doesn't

01:21:21.400 sort

01:21:21.580 of

01:21:21.700 realize

01:21:22.000 how

01:21:22.180 much

01:21:22.340 her

01:21:22.500 slip

01:21:22.760 is

01:21:22.940 showing

01:21:23.280 right

01:21:23.580 the

01:21:23.760 level

01:21:24.160 of

01:21:24.340 insecurity

01:21:24.980 I

01:21:26.060 just

01:21:26.500 read

01:21:26.660 this

01:21:26.840 amazing

01:21:27.300 quote

01:21:27.600 by

01:21:27.800 Marlon

01:21:28.180 Brando

01:21:28.660 he

01:21:28.860 called

01:21:29.220 he

01:21:29.420 once

01:21:29.660 called

01:21:29.960 Bob

01:21:30.340 Hope

01:21:30.640 a

01:21:31.400 barrel

01:21:31.940 without

01:21:32.200 a

01:21:32.400 bottom

01:21:32.680 and

01:21:33.360 I

01:21:33.480 think

01:21:33.880 Meghan

01:21:35.020 Markle

01:21:35.600 is

01:21:36.120 our

01:21:36.860 barrel

01:21:37.400 without

01:21:37.700 a

01:21:37.960 bottom

01:21:38.260 it

01:21:38.640 is

01:21:38.760 a

01:21:38.940 bottomless

01:21:39.580 pit

01:21:39.860 of

01:21:40.060 need

01:21:40.480 that

01:21:41.100 no

01:21:41.340 amount

01:21:41.720 of

01:21:41.940 podcasts

01:21:42.840 or

01:21:43.260 Netflix

01:21:43.780 deals

01:21:44.440 or

01:21:45.700 magazine

01:21:46.980 covers

01:21:47.400 will

01:21:47.640 ever

01:21:47.980 fill

01:21:48.380 that's

01:21:49.340 the

01:21:49.440 thing

01:21:49.620 she's

01:21:50.260 not

01:21:50.700 interesting

01:21:51.420 and

01:21:52.160 she's

01:21:52.440 not

01:21:52.760 special

01:21:53.440 and

01:21:54.060 she's

01:21:54.360 never

01:21:54.660 accomplished

01:21:55.280 anything

01:21:55.840 of note

01:21:56.640 in her

01:21:57.020 life

01:21:57.460 beyond

01:21:58.140 becoming

01:21:58.580 backup

01:21:58.960 girl

01:21:59.200 number

01:21:59.420 40

01:21:59.760 for

01:21:59.960 Howie

01:22:00.540 Mandel

01:22:00.940 the

01:22:01.580 only

01:22:01.960 thing

01:22:02.260 that

01:22:02.400 makes

01:22:02.580 her

01:22:02.720 interesting

01:22:03.180 is

01:22:03.800 the

01:22:03.920 fact

01:22:04.120 that

01:22:04.280 she

01:22:04.440 married

01:22:04.880 Prince

01:22:05.380 Harry

01:22:05.740 and

01:22:06.600 it's

01:22:07.140 the

01:22:07.280 thing

01:22:07.540 that

01:22:07.700 she

01:22:07.860 is

01:22:08.020 most

01:22:08.500 embittered

01:22:09.320 about

01:22:09.680 angry

01:22:10.500 about

01:22:10.920 she

01:22:11.100 spends

01:22:11.400 all

01:22:11.760 of

01:22:11.880 her

01:22:11.960 time

01:22:12.200 now

01:22:12.500 criticizing

01:22:13.580 the

01:22:13.900 royal

01:22:14.120 family

01:22:14.640 which

01:22:15.260 is

01:22:15.380 the

01:22:15.540 only

01:22:15.800 reason

01:22:16.280 anyone

01:22:16.960 gives

01:22:17.380 a damn

01:22:18.140 about

01:22:18.620 her

01:22:18.900 right

01:22:19.600 and I

01:22:20.100 think

01:22:20.260 she's

01:22:20.520 run

01:22:20.780 out

01:22:20.960 of

01:22:21.100 material

01:22:21.560 quite

01:22:21.900 frankly

01:22:22.260 you

01:22:22.900 know

01:22:23.180 she's

01:22:24.100 always

01:22:24.280 alluding

01:22:24.780 to

01:22:25.260 well

01:22:26.120 there's

01:22:26.360 things

01:22:26.600 I

01:22:26.780 might

01:22:27.280 say

01:22:28.000 you

01:22:28.300 know

01:22:28.520 the

01:22:29.080 way

01:22:29.720 the

01:22:29.860 piece

01:22:30.140 ends

01:22:30.400 she

01:22:30.600 says

01:22:30.800 like

01:22:30.960 you

01:22:31.080 know

01:22:31.180 I'm

01:22:31.320 quiet

01:22:31.760 until

01:22:32.140 I'm

01:22:32.340 not

01:22:32.840 you

01:22:33.580 know

01:22:33.800 I've

01:22:34.040 been

01:22:34.180 she

01:22:34.500 didn't

01:22:35.720 sign

01:22:35.940 anything

01:22:36.540 yeah she

01:22:37.120 alluded

01:22:37.460 she's been

01:22:37.880 keeping a

01:22:38.360 journal

01:22:38.600 I mean

01:22:38.980 I think

01:22:39.380 that the

01:22:39.720 royals

01:22:40.120 had her

01:22:40.500 number

01:22:40.780 pretty

01:22:41.140 early

01:22:41.640 on

01:22:42.100 I think

01:22:42.540 they

01:22:42.680 probably

01:22:43.080 limited

01:22:43.560 her

01:22:43.820 access

01:22:44.200 to

01:22:44.820 anything

01:22:45.900 of

01:22:46.460 real

01:22:46.840 you know

01:22:47.420 the only

01:22:47.920 thing

01:22:48.100 she's

01:22:48.320 got

01:22:48.480 is

01:22:48.740 whatever

01:22:50.600 relational

01:22:53.320 difficulties

01:22:53.940 exist

01:22:54.420 between

01:22:54.780 the

01:22:54.940 brothers

01:22:55.320 you know

01:22:56.000 and

01:22:57.020 I also

01:22:58.480 thought

01:22:58.740 it was

01:22:58.980 pretty

01:22:59.220 great

01:22:59.600 when

01:22:59.920 the

01:23:00.580 palace

01:23:01.340 sort

01:23:02.120 of

01:23:02.260 refuted

01:23:02.700 that

01:23:02.920 claim

01:23:03.240 that

01:23:03.380 she

01:23:03.520 made

01:23:03.720 in

01:23:03.820 the

01:23:03.920 Oprah

01:23:04.140 interview

01:23:04.580 about

01:23:05.040 Kate

01:23:05.880 making

01:23:06.200 her

01:23:06.360 cry

01:23:06.740 you know

01:23:07.660 and

01:23:07.820 she

01:23:08.040 did

01:23:08.240 the

01:23:08.600 thing

01:23:08.800 that

01:23:08.940 she

01:23:09.080 always

01:23:09.340 does

01:23:09.580 and

01:23:09.700 she's

01:23:09.920 never

01:23:10.100 as

01:23:10.320 delicate

01:23:10.640 about

01:23:10.960 it

01:23:11.080 as

01:23:11.220 she

01:23:11.340 thinks

01:23:11.540 she

01:23:11.720 is

01:23:11.900 she

01:23:12.020 is

01:23:12.120 you

01:23:12.240 know

01:23:12.320 I

01:23:12.760 couldn't

01:23:12.960 possibly

01:23:13.460 talk

01:23:13.780 badly

01:23:14.060 about

01:23:14.320 my

01:23:14.500 sister

01:23:14.740 in law

01:23:14.960 but

01:23:15.120 just

01:23:15.240 let me

01:23:15.460 talk

01:23:15.720 about

01:23:15.960 her

01:23:16.080 like

01:23:16.400 let me

01:23:17.380 criticize

01:23:17.780 her

01:23:29.920 the

01:23:30.060 time

01:23:30.240 was

01:23:30.360 three

01:23:30.600 Kate

01:23:30.980 and

01:23:31.180 William's

01:23:31.840 daughter

01:23:32.340 who

01:23:32.880 was

01:23:33.080 going

01:23:33.220 to be

01:23:33.380 a

01:23:33.520 bridesmaid

01:23:34.060 she

01:23:34.200 was

01:23:34.340 bullying

01:23:34.800 her

01:23:35.100 because

01:23:35.500 she

01:23:35.860 wasn't

01:23:36.560 up to

01:23:37.200 snuff

01:23:37.520 I suppose

01:23:38.060 and

01:23:38.640 Kate

01:23:39.420 cried

01:23:40.020 and then

01:23:40.660 went over

01:23:41.420 with a

01:23:41.860 peace

01:23:42.140 offering

01:23:42.560 she

01:23:42.880 went over

01:23:43.400 to

01:23:44.100 the

01:23:44.740 apartment

01:23:45.160 that

01:23:45.560 Meghan

01:23:45.860 shared

01:23:46.080 with

01:23:46.240 Harry

01:23:46.520 and

01:23:46.720 brought

01:23:46.900 flowers

01:23:47.400 and

01:23:47.760 Meghan

01:23:48.440 took

01:23:48.760 the

01:23:48.960 flowers

01:23:49.460 threw

01:23:49.760 them

01:23:49.980 in

01:23:50.100 the

01:23:50.260 trash

01:23:50.620 and

01:23:50.900 slammed

01:23:51.500 the

01:23:51.700 door

01:23:52.020 in

01:23:52.440 Kate

01:23:52.620 Middleton's

01:23:53.100 face

01:23:53.400 I

01:23:53.700 mean

01:23:53.940 that

01:23:55.140 is

01:23:55.320 a

01:23:55.420 version

01:23:55.660 of

01:23:55.800 events

01:23:56.080 I

01:23:56.200 find

01:23:56.440 much

01:23:57.100 more

01:23:57.280 credible

01:23:57.620 me

01:23:58.220 too

01:23:58.460 because

01:23:58.840 she

01:23:59.500 she

01:23:59.780 thinks

01:24:00.020 if

01:24:00.160 we

01:24:00.260 just

01:24:00.400 know

01:24:00.640 her

01:24:00.840 again

01:24:01.140 like

01:24:01.340 we're

01:24:01.460 gonna

01:24:01.560 like

01:24:01.780 her

01:24:01.920 okay

01:24:02.460 show

01:24:02.680 me

01:24:02.800 the

01:24:02.940 friends

01:24:03.200 who

01:24:03.320 know

01:24:03.560 you

01:24:03.860 who

01:24:04.280 have

01:24:04.380 stuck

01:24:04.520 by

01:24:04.740 you

01:24:04.900 who's

01:24:05.320 still

01:24:05.440 in

01:24:05.560 your

01:24:05.660 life

01:24:05.960 there's

01:24:06.560 not

01:24:06.680 even

01:24:06.800 a

01:24:06.900 family

01:24:07.140 member

01:24:07.440 they're

01:24:07.840 all

01:24:08.020 gone

01:24:08.300 everyone

01:24:09.040 who

01:24:09.280 knew

01:24:09.460 you

01:24:09.800 either

01:24:10.360 fled

01:24:10.720 from

01:24:11.120 you

01:24:11.360 or

01:24:11.720 they

01:24:12.020 were

01:24:12.140 dumped

01:24:12.400 by

01:24:12.640 you

01:24:12.800 because

01:24:13.040 they

01:24:13.220 weren't

01:24:13.440 famous

01:24:13.780 they

01:24:13.940 weren't

01:24:25.420 and

01:24:25.640 on

01:24:25.760 the

01:24:25.880 subject

01:24:26.120 of

01:24:26.240 the

01:24:26.400 lies

01:24:26.880 I

01:24:27.160 thought

01:24:27.320 the

01:24:27.440 one

01:24:27.560 you

01:24:27.640 were

01:24:27.700 going

01:24:27.780 to

01:24:27.840 mention

01:24:28.020 earlier

01:24:28.360 that

01:24:30.020 she

01:24:30.420 claimed

01:24:31.000 she

01:24:31.620 can't

01:24:32.580 have

01:24:32.880 this

01:24:33.080 life

01:24:33.440 in

01:24:33.680 London

01:24:34.020 of

01:24:34.320 dropping

01:24:34.620 her

01:24:34.800 children

01:24:35.060 off

01:24:35.320 at

01:24:35.460 school

01:24:35.720 which

01:24:35.960 she

01:24:36.100 conveniently

01:24:36.520 brought

01:24:36.820 the

01:24:37.000 cut

01:24:37.180 reporter

01:24:37.500 to

01:24:37.780 because

01:24:38.740 I

01:24:39.240 would

01:24:39.400 have

01:24:39.560 40

01:24:39.860 photographers

01:24:40.400 taking

01:24:40.740 photos

01:24:41.240 in a

01:24:41.500 press

01:24:41.820 pen

01:24:42.020 if I

01:24:42.280 wanted

01:24:42.460 to

01:24:42.640 drop

01:24:42.860 Archie

01:24:43.260 at

01:24:43.860 school

01:24:44.140 in

01:24:44.280 the

01:24:44.400 UK

01:24:44.680 meanwhile

01:24:45.600 my

01:24:46.280 friend

01:24:46.560 Dan

01:24:47.000 wouldn't

01:24:47.740 who

01:24:48.080 has

01:24:48.340 broken

01:24:48.560 tons

01:24:48.820 the

01:24:48.940 news

01:24:49.060 on

01:24:49.180 them

01:24:49.400 says

01:24:49.920 William

01:24:50.200 and

01:24:50.340 Kate

01:24:50.500 drop

01:24:50.760 off

01:24:51.020 and

01:24:51.140 pick

01:24:51.280 up

01:24:51.400 their

01:24:51.500 three

01:24:51.700 kids

01:24:52.040 including

01:24:52.780 the

01:24:53.000 future

01:24:53.260 king

01:24:53.500 of

01:24:53.640 England

01:24:53.960 virtually

01:24:55.480 every

01:24:56.320 single

01:24:57.240 day

01:24:58.020 and

01:24:58.760 there's

01:24:58.960 not

01:24:59.140 one

01:24:59.460 photographer

01:24:59.900 there

01:25:00.200 there's

01:25:00.500 certainly

01:25:00.780 no

01:25:01.020 press

01:25:01.460 pen

01:25:01.820 and

01:25:02.580 another

01:25:03.380 news

01:25:03.660 outlet

01:25:03.900 in

01:25:04.040 the

01:25:04.120 UK

01:25:04.300 reports

01:25:04.900 that

01:25:05.200 it's

01:25:06.000 literally

01:25:06.340 just

01:25:06.580 the

01:25:06.720 first

01:25:06.900 day

01:25:07.040 of

01:25:07.140 school

01:25:07.400 where

01:25:07.720 two

01:25:07.960 photogs

01:25:08.460 are

01:25:08.640 allowed

01:25:09.020 to

01:25:09.460 take

01:25:09.660 a

01:25:09.780 picture

01:25:10.040 the

01:25:10.260 royals

01:25:10.500 know

01:25:10.640 it's

01:25:10.800 going

01:25:10.900 to

01:25:11.000 happen

01:25:11.300 and

01:25:11.960 they

01:25:12.200 distribute

01:25:12.560 those

01:25:12.820 photos

01:25:13.080 if

01:25:13.240 anybody

01:25:13.480 else

01:25:13.740 ever

01:25:14.320 shows

01:25:14.660 up

01:25:14.880 to

01:25:15.020 take

01:25:15.160 a

01:25:15.260 photo

01:25:15.480 of

01:25:15.660 the

01:25:15.740 kids

01:25:16.000 there

01:25:16.700 isn't

01:25:16.920 a

01:25:17.060 single

01:25:17.280 UK

01:25:17.600 paper

01:25:18.460 that

01:25:18.660 will

01:25:18.780 print

01:25:19.060 it

01:25:19.260 but

01:25:19.880 she

01:25:20.140 wants

01:25:20.460 us

01:25:20.600 to

01:25:20.760 believe

01:25:21.180 she's

01:25:21.720 like

01:25:21.900 a

01:25:22.120 beetle

01:25:22.480 who

01:25:23.060 can't

01:25:23.380 right

01:25:23.740 right

01:25:25.000 right

01:25:25.600 and

01:25:26.040 and

01:25:26.300 and

01:25:26.600 to

01:25:27.520 the

01:25:28.120 beetles

01:25:28.940 it's

01:25:29.220 her

01:25:29.940 whole

01:25:30.380 bit

01:25:30.980 about

01:25:31.320 I

01:25:31.660 didn't

01:25:32.160 know

01:25:32.340 who

01:25:32.540 Prince

01:25:32.800 Harry

01:25:33.040 was

01:25:33.520 I

01:25:33.720 never

01:25:34.260 heard

01:25:34.620 of

01:25:34.760 the

01:25:34.860 Queen

01:25:35.080 mother

01:25:35.360 you know

01:25:35.680 it's

01:25:35.780 like

01:25:35.900 in this

01:25:41.960 heard

01:25:42.180 of

01:25:42.320 John

01:25:42.560 Lennon

01:25:42.880 who

01:25:43.060 are

01:25:43.220 the

01:25:43.380 beetles

01:25:43.940 yes

01:25:45.160 and

01:25:45.520 she

01:25:45.700 also

01:25:46.020 broke

01:25:46.280 up

01:25:46.420 the

01:25:46.540 band

01:25:46.860 yes

01:25:47.840 yes

01:25:48.360 yes

01:25:48.740 so

01:25:48.960 I

01:25:49.140 mean

01:25:49.320 you

01:25:49.780 know

01:25:50.020 that's

01:25:50.720 and

01:25:50.860 you're

01:25:51.320 completely

01:25:51.800 right

01:25:52.100 about

01:25:52.340 Megan

01:25:52.620 not

01:25:52.860 understanding

01:25:53.420 why

01:25:53.820 she's

01:25:54.580 not

01:25:54.820 liked

01:25:55.240 why

01:25:55.600 let

01:25:56.240 alone

01:25:56.540 beloved

01:25:57.280 you

01:25:57.740 know

01:25:57.960 and

01:25:58.280 I

01:25:59.080 don't

01:25:59.300 think

01:25:59.480 it's

01:25:59.640 any

01:25:59.860 accident

01:26:00.280 that

01:26:00.820 her

01:26:01.560 podcast

01:26:02.320 drops

01:26:02.840 and

01:26:03.100 then

01:26:03.300 the

01:26:03.720 cut

01:26:04.440 cover

01:26:04.940 story

01:26:05.480 is

01:26:06.160 published

01:26:06.740 two

01:26:07.540 days

01:26:07.880 before

01:26:08.360 today

01:26:09.360 the

01:26:10.080 25th

01:26:11.040 anniversary

01:26:11.560 of

01:26:11.960 princess

01:26:12.120 diana's

01:26:12.580 death

01:26:12.880 that's

01:26:13.520 exactly

01:26:13.840 right

01:26:14.180 she

01:26:14.640 wanted

01:26:15.320 to be

01:26:15.840 in

01:26:16.240 the

01:26:16.420 news

01:26:16.880 she

01:26:17.580 wanted

01:26:17.840 to

01:26:18.040 step

01:26:18.280 on

01:26:18.480 princess

01:26:18.760 diana's

01:26:19.380 anniversary

01:26:19.920 she

01:26:20.360 wants us

01:26:20.760 to think

01:26:21.080 she is

01:26:21.420 princess

01:26:21.740 diana

01:26:22.160 which is

01:26:22.540 never

01:26:22.700 going to

01:26:22.940 happen

01:26:23.220 instead

01:26:23.880 of as

01:26:24.240 you write

01:26:24.540 in your

01:26:24.720 piece

01:26:25.020 what she

01:26:25.580 really

01:26:25.840 is

01:26:26.120 a

01:26:26.460 kardashian

01:26:27.120 and by

01:26:27.760 the way

01:26:28.040 you

01:26:28.220 undersold

01:26:28.760 your

01:26:28.940 comment

01:26:29.280 earlier

01:26:29.640 which

01:26:29.880 I

01:26:30.100 read

01:26:30.380 out

01:26:30.640 loud

01:26:30.840 to

01:26:30.940 my

01:26:31.040 husband

01:26:31.280 I

01:26:31.480 thought

01:26:31.960 it

01:26:32.060 was

01:26:32.140 so

01:26:32.280 funny

01:26:32.640 this

01:26:33.380 is

01:26:33.560 Maureen

01:26:34.000 again

01:26:34.680 the

01:26:41.960 opposition

01:26:42.340 to

01:26:42.620 her

01:26:42.860 waning

01:26:43.320 relevance

01:26:43.860 she

01:26:44.420 clearly

01:26:44.780 has

01:26:45.100 no

01:26:45.320 real

01:26:45.580 friends

01:26:45.960 left

01:26:46.300 or

01:26:46.900 even

01:26:47.200 decent

01:26:47.540 publicists

01:26:48.160 because

01:26:48.480 anyone

01:26:49.220 with an

01:26:49.780 iota

01:26:50.240 of common

01:26:50.760 sense

01:26:51.140 would say

01:26:51.700 you know

01:26:52.420 Megan

01:26:52.780 it's

01:26:53.560 probably

01:26:53.920 best

01:26:54.260 not to

01:26:54.700 compare

01:26:55.060 yourself

01:26:55.540 to

01:26:55.760 nelson

01:26:56.120 exactly

01:26:59.340 right

01:27:00.500 she has

01:27:01.160 no

01:27:01.360 friends

01:27:01.780 she has

01:27:02.400 no

01:27:02.560 people

01:27:03.000 and

01:27:03.640 there's

01:27:03.860 a

01:27:04.000 reason

01:27:04.240 for

01:27:04.420 that

01:27:04.720 yes

01:27:06.180 and

01:27:06.500 but

01:27:06.740 you know

01:27:07.040 the

01:27:07.380 upside

01:27:07.980 is

01:27:08.280 we

01:27:08.500 get

01:27:08.840 gems

01:27:09.860 like

01:27:10.220 that

01:27:10.660 you know

01:27:11.540 there was

01:27:11.960 dancing

01:27:12.400 in the

01:27:12.780 streets

01:27:13.040 of

01:27:13.220 South

01:27:13.460 Africa

01:27:13.880 when

01:27:14.900 i

01:27:15.160 married

01:27:15.560 in

01:27:15.940 and

01:27:16.580 i'm

01:27:16.940 most

01:27:17.220 reminiscent

01:27:17.700 of

01:27:18.380 nelson

01:27:19.320 mandela

01:27:19.800 who

01:27:20.040 else

01:27:20.440 who

01:27:20.740 else

01:27:20.920 she's

01:27:21.740 gotta

01:27:21.880 be

01:27:22.120 become

01:27:22.440 a

01:27:22.580 better

01:27:22.760 liar

01:27:23.180 like

01:27:23.520 keep

01:27:23.720 it

01:27:23.840 vaguer

01:27:24.240 don't

01:27:24.700 say

01:27:24.960 it

01:27:25.080 was

01:27:25.200 the

01:27:25.300 one

01:27:25.480 south

01:27:25.720 african

01:27:26.060 cast

01:27:26.340 member

01:27:26.620 because

01:27:26.920 the

01:27:27.120 daily

01:27:27.340 mail

01:27:27.560 is

01:27:27.680 100%

01:27:28.440 gonna

01:27:28.620 go

01:27:28.840 find

01:27:29.400 that

01:27:29.620 guy

01:27:30.100 i

01:27:32.360 know

01:27:32.540 liars

01:27:32.920 always

01:27:33.220 that

01:27:33.340 always

01:27:33.740 trips

01:27:34.020 them

01:27:34.220 up

01:27:34.400 the

01:27:34.580 addition

01:27:34.900 of

01:27:35.120 unnecessary

01:27:35.700 details

01:27:36.480 you're

01:27:37.180 so

01:27:37.420 right

01:27:37.800 maureen

01:27:38.660 what a

01:27:39.080 pleasure

01:27:39.340 please

01:27:39.640 come

01:27:39.840 back

01:27:40.140 oh

01:27:40.400 my god

01:27:40.680 so much

01:27:41.060 fun

01:27:41.280 thanks for

01:27:41.640 having me

01:27:42.080 megan

01:27:42.360 all right

01:27:43.060 till the

01:27:43.320 next time

01:27:43.780 um

01:27:44.600 we'll be

01:27:45.340 bringing you

01:27:45.740 michael

01:27:45.940 knowles

01:27:46.200 tomorrow

01:27:46.400 don't miss

01:27:46.800 that

01:27:47.000 we'll

01:27:47.260 talk to

01:27:47.560 you

01:27:47.660 then

01:27:47.840 thanks for

01:27:51.200 listening to

01:27:51.660 the megan

01:27:51.960 kelly show

01:27:52.580 no bs

01:27:53.480 no agenda

01:27:54.220 and no

01:27:55.080 fear

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 31, 2022

Rittenhouse Two Years Later, and Markle's Story Questioned, with Richie McGinniss and Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 383

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