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00:01:01.340 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.280 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:01:12.560 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.220 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.760 It's History Week on this program

00:01:17.960 where we are bringing you a week of deep dives

00:01:20.580 on important events throughout American and world history.

00:01:23.920 I'm so excited for this.

00:01:25.440 Today, we are looking at the 1981 attempted assassination

00:01:29.920 of President Ronald Reagan.

00:01:32.660 Ronald Reagan had been president less than 70 days

00:01:35.640 when he was shot while leaving the Hilton Hotel in Washington, D.C.

00:01:39.220 The gunman, John Hinckley Jr., was just feet away.

00:01:43.440 And the president was wounded when one of the bullets ricocheted off the limousine

00:01:47.580 and struck him under the left armpit.

00:01:50.020 Three others were also injured that day, including Press Secretary James Brady.

00:01:53.760 After 12 days in the hospital, President Reagan was able to return to the White House,

00:01:58.220 but the investigation into the shooter, John Hinckley Jr., had just begun.

00:02:03.860 Our guest today, Thomas Baker, was the first FBI agent on the scene of the attempted assassination

00:02:10.420 in 1981.

00:02:11.460 He's an international law enforcement consultant

00:02:14.220 who served as a special agent in the FBI for more than 30 years.

00:02:18.000 And he is author of the new book, The Fall of the FBI,

00:02:22.160 and also gives us an inside look on what transpired that day

00:02:26.360 to the impact it had for years to come

00:02:28.940 and right up to the FBI today.

00:02:32.680 Tom, welcome to the show.

00:02:34.440 Glad to be with you.

00:02:36.460 The pleasure's all mine.

00:02:38.060 I'm really looking forward to this discussion.

00:02:39.840 So I remember this event that we're going to kick this interview off with

00:02:43.940 because I was a 10-year-old girl living in upstate New York,

00:02:48.580 and I remember exactly where I was even as a young girl

00:02:52.280 when the news hit that President Reagan had been shot.

00:02:56.700 And it was such a huge deal.

00:02:58.700 This is back in, of course, 1981 before we all had cell phones.

00:03:01.580 People were running out on their front porches

00:03:05.000 and yelling it to each other down the road.

00:03:07.720 Like, President Reagan's been shot.

00:03:08.840 President Reagan's been shot, which is how I learned about it.

00:03:11.460 It was a very scary time.

00:03:13.360 You were much, much closer to it than that.

00:03:15.560 So let's just start with where you were that day

00:03:18.660 and how things unfolded for you,

00:03:20.120 and then we'll get into Hinckley and his background.

00:03:23.360 At the moment when the shooting happened,

00:03:25.900 I had been at a meeting,

00:03:28.000 and I was in my own car,

00:03:30.620 my bureau car, government car,

00:03:33.100 emerging onto the street,

00:03:34.520 and I had the commercial radio on.

00:03:36.740 I was listening to the WMAL in Washington that time,

00:03:40.960 news and music.

00:03:42.740 And as I'm emerging onto the street,

00:03:45.080 I hear a flash that President Reagan

00:03:47.940 has just been shot in front of the Hilton Hotel.

00:03:51.460 So I immediately got on the bureau radio,

00:03:56.240 the net to the Washington field office,

00:03:58.840 and I asked, which Hilton is the incident at?

00:04:02.140 Because in Washington, D.C.,

00:04:03.600 as you probably know,

00:04:04.780 there are two major Hiltons,

00:04:06.180 the Washington Hilton and the Capitol Hilton.

00:04:08.620 They were both north of my location,

00:04:10.480 and I started in that direction.

00:04:12.900 But it turned out

00:04:15.180 that there were a lot of reporters

00:04:18.040 with the president,

00:04:19.680 President Reagan,

00:04:20.300 at the time he was shot.

00:04:21.400 So the news was instantaneous.

00:04:24.700 So when I asked the field office,

00:04:26.600 which, expecting a response to where it was,

00:04:30.720 they didn't know.

00:04:31.500 They hadn't heard about it yet,

00:04:32.760 and they kept saying to me,

00:04:33.700 what incident are you talking about?

00:04:36.680 And I finally just broke protocol,

00:04:38.480 and I screamed out,

00:04:40.000 the president's been shot

00:04:41.180 in front of the Hilton Hotel.

00:04:43.860 Eventually, I heard on the commercial radio,

00:04:46.280 it was the Washington Hilton,

00:04:47.460 and I continued there,

00:04:48.960 and I probably got there

00:04:50.000 in only three or four minutes.

00:04:52.400 But that's where I was at the time

00:04:54.500 when this all came about.

00:04:56.820 I mean, 1981 wasn't that far after 1963

00:05:01.920 and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

00:05:05.060 And so I'm sure there were a lot of guys,

00:05:06.720 maybe yourself included,

00:05:07.500 but a lot of guys around the Bureau

00:05:09.040 who either had been around

00:05:10.780 for that assassination

00:05:11.860 or knew guys who had been around

00:05:13.900 for that assassination.

00:05:15.240 And that one wound up

00:05:17.020 just being a debacle

00:05:18.160 for law enforcement,

00:05:19.500 for the FBI,

00:05:20.160 you know,

00:05:20.740 with Jack Ruby

00:05:21.840 shooting the suspect in that case,

00:05:25.920 Lee Harvey Oswald,

00:05:26.980 before he ever got a trial.

00:05:28.280 So it's like,

00:05:29.020 I would imagine

00:05:30.360 as a law enforcement officer

00:05:31.740 with the FBI,

00:05:32.480 the stakes were already high.

00:05:34.480 You've got the attempted assassination

00:05:35.660 of a president,

00:05:36.340 and you've also got like,

00:05:38.300 whoa,

00:05:38.700 there's a lot to be careful of here.

00:05:40.680 We're in a very precarious position.

00:05:42.360 Yes,

00:05:43.580 a lot of bad history.

00:05:45.220 And when the Kennedy assassination

00:05:47.460 actually happened,

00:05:49.060 I was sort of in the position you were

00:05:50.900 with the Reagan attempted assassination.

00:05:53.660 I was a very young person,

00:05:56.380 still in school.

00:05:58.300 And so I remember it from that angle,

00:06:01.000 as so many millions of people do.

00:06:03.220 But at the same time,

00:06:04.940 in the FBI,

00:06:06.240 and it turns out in the Secret Service

00:06:08.140 and elsewhere,

00:06:09.440 we studied the assassination attempt.

00:06:13.120 And it was,

00:06:13.840 and you describe it,

00:06:15.020 well,

00:06:15.100 it was a debacle.

00:06:16.480 It was actually a disgrace

00:06:17.900 from a law enforcement point of view,

00:06:19.820 the way it was handled.

00:06:21.440 There were no proper protocols in place.

00:06:24.860 It's well known now.

00:06:26.380 Everybody,

00:06:27.260 and I say everybody,

00:06:28.180 the FBI,

00:06:28.900 the Secret Service,

00:06:30.340 the Dallas police,

00:06:31.560 the Dallas sheriff's office,

00:06:33.080 everybody was fighting with each other.

00:06:34.840 It was really disgraceful.

00:06:36.480 So over the years

00:06:38.120 and in new agents training

00:06:39.500 and in an ongoing training

00:06:41.620 for major case management,

00:06:43.700 we had all studied

00:06:44.800 the Kennedy assassination.

00:06:46.960 So the minute this happened

00:06:48.480 and I realized what was going on

00:06:49.980 and I was driving up to the scene

00:06:51.480 at the Washington Hilton,

00:06:52.500 that Kennedy assassination

00:06:54.300 was very much

00:06:55.720 in the forefront of my mind.

00:06:57.880 And I just said to myself,

00:06:59.320 we can't screw this up.

00:07:01.620 We have to handle this right.

00:07:03.320 This is a historic case.

00:07:05.520 It turns out

00:07:06.660 a lot of other people

00:07:07.700 had that same interpretation

00:07:09.380 or that same approach

00:07:11.280 to that incident.

00:07:13.440 When you got to the scene

00:07:14.500 and now having lived in DC

00:07:15.700 for a few years,

00:07:16.800 I'll tell the audience,

00:07:17.800 they call that the Hinkley Hilton.

00:07:19.060 I mean,

00:07:19.760 that's how they now refer to that,

00:07:21.600 that hotel

00:07:22.880 where we've had a lot

00:07:23.560 of broadcasting events

00:07:25.200 and, you know,

00:07:25.940 mixers and so on.

00:07:27.680 But so when you got

00:07:28.960 to the scene that day,

00:07:30.940 what,

00:07:31.460 what,

00:07:32.120 what did you find?

00:07:33.880 Well,

00:07:34.280 I got to the scene

00:07:35.940 and I'm trying to reconstruct it

00:07:37.900 probably within five minutes

00:07:39.520 of the incident.

00:07:40.500 So the,

00:07:42.060 as I arrived,

00:07:43.320 there was still numerous

00:07:44.680 ambulances arriving

00:07:46.360 and ambulances

00:07:47.420 continued to arrive

00:07:48.740 at the scene

00:07:49.400 and as I,

00:07:51.620 I couldn't find a place

00:07:52.820 to park or anything,

00:07:53.700 I just pulled my car

00:07:55.260 to the side

00:07:55.860 and got out of my car

00:07:56.900 and it's funny

00:07:58.420 how one's mentality is.

00:08:00.640 I,

00:08:00.920 I had,

00:08:02.240 I was in an executive

00:08:04.680 level position

00:08:05.760 in the Bureau

00:08:06.320 already at that point

00:08:07.480 and I had shown up

00:08:09.020 on occasion

00:08:09.640 in,

00:08:10.540 in and around Washington,

00:08:11.640 DC

00:08:11.920 when I'd hear

00:08:12.520 there was a bank robbery.

00:08:13.600 So I just go to the scene

00:08:15.960 of the bank robbery

00:08:16.720 just to kind of look in

00:08:17.820 on it and show my face

00:08:19.040 and whenever I got there,

00:08:21.300 there was always already

00:08:22.560 a half a dozen

00:08:23.460 or a dozen agents

00:08:24.520 along with the police

00:08:25.760 working the scene

00:08:27.060 and I guess I had it

00:08:28.420 in my mind

00:08:28.980 that's what I'd come upon

00:08:30.180 this time

00:08:31.160 but that wasn't the case.

00:08:33.120 I,

00:08:33.340 turns out I was

00:08:34.020 the first FBI agent there

00:08:35.880 and I already had in my,

00:08:38.220 in my head

00:08:39.020 I had about

00:08:39.680 a half a dozen assignments

00:08:41.540 I already wanted

00:08:42.360 to give people

00:08:43.140 and start telling people

00:08:44.220 what to do

00:08:44.920 and I was the first

00:08:46.260 FBI agent on the scene

00:08:47.900 a very chaotic scene

00:08:49.500 the ambulance was arriving

00:08:51.640 after about five minutes

00:08:53.020 two very heavy

00:08:54.440 big Marine Corps

00:08:55.540 helicopters

00:08:56.280 appeared above

00:08:57.320 the scene

00:08:58.420 and they stayed there

00:08:59.260 for about five minutes

00:09:00.440 turns out

00:09:01.320 they were self-dispatched

00:09:02.500 and they were making

00:09:03.660 a tremendous amount

00:09:04.940 of noise

00:09:05.560 echoing down

00:09:06.360 through the buildings

00:09:07.220 so it was a chaotic scene

00:09:10.180 I came upon.

00:09:11.020 So you,

00:09:13.180 when you got there

00:09:14.320 I assume

00:09:15.780 President Reagan

00:09:16.420 had already been whisked off

00:09:17.900 but

00:09:18.360 had he?

00:09:20.240 Yes,

00:09:20.940 he was whisked off

00:09:22.280 immediately

00:09:22.840 he was

00:09:23.600 being pushed

00:09:24.960 into the car

00:09:25.800 as he was being shot

00:09:27.160 we now know

00:09:28.180 so he was on his way

00:09:29.960 to George Washington

00:09:30.820 University Hospital

00:09:32.360 the police

00:09:35.060 had

00:09:35.640 and Secret Service

00:09:37.360 had just pushed

00:09:38.240 Hinkley into a vehicle

00:09:39.560 which apparently

00:09:40.700 was departing the scene

00:09:41.900 as I got there

00:09:42.780 I was

00:09:44.360 I must tell you Megan

00:09:45.900 based on

00:09:46.760 studying the Kennedy assassination

00:09:48.700 I was apprehensive

00:09:50.820 that there might be

00:09:52.480 a bit of

00:09:53.060 what's called

00:09:54.040 a turf war

00:09:55.120 or

00:09:55.420 some unpleasantness

00:09:58.560 but that was not

00:10:00.100 the case whatsoever

00:10:01.200 there was

00:10:02.860 and I'll repeat this

00:10:03.940 probably again

00:10:04.680 before our discussion's over

00:10:06.400 there was an overwhelming

00:10:08.340 amount of cooperation

00:10:09.820 as I got out of my car

00:10:12.960 a man came running up to me

00:10:16.180 Lieutenant Wilson

00:10:17.500 of the Washington D.C.

00:10:19.880 Homicide Squad

00:10:21.320 and he knew me

00:10:22.560 from a previous incident

00:10:23.720 and he had the

00:10:25.340 the revolver

00:10:26.340 in a glass scene envelope

00:10:27.680 that his officers

00:10:29.080 had just taken off

00:10:30.160 of Hinkley

00:10:30.660 and he said

00:10:31.640 we have the gun

00:10:32.400 we want to give it to you

00:10:33.460 and I said to him

00:10:34.780 hold on

00:10:35.480 there's a truck

00:10:37.020 from the FBI lab

00:10:38.300 coming

00:10:38.760 because I had

00:10:40.000 been on the

00:10:40.900 on the

00:10:42.000 on the bureau net

00:10:43.840 and the whole

00:10:44.600 two or three minutes

00:10:45.320 driving up there

00:10:46.120 and I knew the

00:10:46.860 the laboratory itself

00:10:48.280 was dispatching

00:10:49.160 an evidence vehicle

00:10:50.060 I said give it

00:10:51.100 directly to them

00:10:51.900 to shorten the chain

00:10:52.740 of custody

00:10:53.300 so that's the first

00:10:54.740 person who came up

00:10:55.740 to me

00:10:56.060 within another

00:10:57.480 30 seconds

00:10:59.060 and once again

00:11:00.780 it was lucky

00:11:01.360 that we all knew

00:11:02.100 one another

00:11:02.680 a man came up

00:11:04.200 to me by the name

00:11:04.900 of Powers

00:11:05.520 who was the

00:11:06.900 agent in charge

00:11:08.120 of the Secret Service

00:11:09.260 Washington field office

00:11:10.560 and we had met

00:11:11.400 on previous occasions

00:11:12.520 and his opening

00:11:14.420 words to me

00:11:15.500 was

00:11:16.440 you're the FBI

00:11:17.840 you're in charge

00:11:19.480 now

00:11:19.920 are you taking charge

00:11:21.420 that was his opening

00:11:22.920 words

00:11:23.480 well it turned out

00:11:24.940 the Secret Service

00:11:26.380 had been trained

00:11:27.400 to this new paradigm

00:11:28.560 the same as

00:11:29.480 we had been

00:11:30.340 nobody wanted

00:11:31.560 to make the mistakes

00:11:32.460 that were made

00:11:32.960 in the Kennedy case

00:11:34.020 and what had happened

00:11:36.360 I should have mentioned

00:11:37.260 between

00:11:37.780 or in the years

00:11:38.940 right after

00:11:39.440 Kennedy's assassination

00:11:40.540 as you know

00:11:42.660 there was a

00:11:43.100 Warren Commission

00:11:43.900 and other people

00:11:45.360 looked at the

00:11:46.040 Kennedy assassination

00:11:46.920 a federal law

00:11:49.420 was passed

00:11:50.280 because actually

00:11:51.420 when Kennedy

00:11:53.040 was shot

00:11:53.520 there was no

00:11:54.060 federal law

00:11:54.620 against shooting

00:11:55.680 killing or assaulting

00:11:56.880 the president

00:11:57.400 so a new law

00:11:58.840 a new statute

00:11:59.540 was passed

00:12:00.240 that once the president

00:12:01.620 has been assaulted

00:12:02.580 much less assassinated

00:12:04.520 the investigation

00:12:05.740 falls to the FBI

00:12:07.260 protection of the president

00:12:09.020 up until then

00:12:09.780 is the jurisdiction

00:12:10.560 of the Secret Service

00:12:11.700 they it turns out

00:12:13.300 they were trained

00:12:14.040 to this

00:12:14.520 as we were

00:12:15.440 so the cooperation

00:12:17.220 was textbook

00:12:19.320 perfect that day

00:12:20.540 wow

00:12:21.320 I mean

00:12:21.640 can I just ask you

00:12:22.700 what must that

00:12:23.940 have been like

00:12:24.540 what was that like

00:12:25.660 within moments

00:12:27.040 coming up to a scene

00:12:28.000 where the president

00:12:28.840 of the United States

00:12:29.900 was just shot

00:12:30.880 in an attempted

00:12:31.640 assassination

00:12:32.240 and you've got

00:12:33.700 the lieutenant

00:12:34.360 running over to you

00:12:35.420 saying we've got

00:12:36.540 the gun

00:12:37.100 and trying to

00:12:37.840 give it to you

00:12:38.780 I mean

00:12:39.260 is there any

00:12:39.960 element of you

00:12:41.100 as a man

00:12:41.860 just feeling like

00:12:43.180 oh my god

00:12:44.500 that was exactly

00:12:46.700 it

00:12:47.060 it was

00:12:47.760 the oh my god

00:12:49.260 was that whole

00:12:49.840 two or three minutes

00:12:50.580 riding up there

00:12:51.380 I knew this is

00:12:52.180 really something

00:12:52.980 we have to do

00:12:54.160 it right

00:12:54.580 now I must

00:12:56.000 tell you

00:12:56.620 take a minute

00:12:57.500 or two

00:12:58.020 to tell you

00:12:59.380 this

00:12:59.580 the background

00:13:00.460 to that day

00:13:01.540 not only was

00:13:03.020 the director

00:13:04.020 of the FBI

00:13:05.220 and these other

00:13:06.380 people out of town

00:13:08.100 but as widely

00:13:10.300 known

00:13:10.780 the vice president

00:13:12.120 George H.W. Bush

00:13:14.080 he was in Texas

00:13:15.600 and at the moment

00:13:16.460 the president

00:13:17.100 was shot

00:13:17.780 turns out

00:13:18.720 he was actually

00:13:19.900 flying between

00:13:20.820 Austin and Dallas

00:13:21.920 so he was in the air

00:13:23.420 and then later

00:13:24.580 most of the day

00:13:25.420 flying back to Washington

00:13:26.660 so he was pretty much

00:13:27.600 out of communications

00:13:28.560 but the tension

00:13:30.800 that we saw

00:13:32.800 that I felt

00:13:33.520 I had just been

00:13:34.500 read into

00:13:35.180 just in the previous

00:13:36.020 48 hours

00:13:37.080 from the intelligence

00:13:38.980 side of the FBI

00:13:40.180 that there was

00:13:41.520 a high level

00:13:42.260 of alert

00:13:42.800 what was going on

00:13:44.400 in the world

00:13:45.120 back then

00:13:46.140 was you had

00:13:47.180 the solidarity movement

00:13:48.780 in Poland

00:13:49.620 and Ronald Reagan

00:13:52.240 the new president

00:13:53.100 who'd only been president

00:13:54.200 60 days or so

00:13:55.720 at that point

00:13:56.420 was taking

00:13:57.440 a very strong

00:13:58.860 hard stand

00:14:01.820 position

00:14:02.380 against

00:14:02.860 Russian communism

00:14:04.500 and

00:14:06.080 what we had

00:14:07.400 just become aware of

00:14:08.580 the FBI

00:14:09.200 had just been told

00:14:10.240 by other entities

00:14:12.000 in the federal government

00:14:12.960 that

00:14:14.260 there was a possibility

00:14:15.580 that the Russians

00:14:17.340 might have

00:14:18.320 a full scale

00:14:19.140 military intervention

00:14:20.340 into Poland

00:14:21.100 so that was

00:14:22.600 in our minds

00:14:23.840 and we had been

00:14:24.680 asked

00:14:25.560 the Washington

00:14:26.100 field office

00:14:26.840 had been asked

00:14:27.580 to task

00:14:28.220 all of our assets

00:14:29.780 and all the

00:14:30.740 possible

00:14:31.700 communications

00:14:34.400 we could become

00:14:35.300 aware of

00:14:35.960 if we found out

00:14:37.060 any

00:14:37.520 iota of information

00:14:39.860 about the

00:14:40.620 Russian intentions 0.77

00:14:42.560 that we would

00:14:43.160 immediately advise

00:14:44.300 headquarters

00:14:44.900 and headquarters

00:14:45.560 would advise

00:14:46.180 the national

00:14:46.700 command authority

00:14:47.720 essentially the

00:14:48.840 president himself

00:14:49.800 so this was

00:14:51.140 the tension

00:14:51.740 in the world

00:14:53.240 and

00:14:54.380 i don't think

00:14:57.300 the FBI

00:14:58.080 knew it

00:14:58.840 but we found

00:14:59.760 out later

00:15:00.320 that the

00:15:00.980 department of

00:15:02.300 defense

00:15:02.660 and the white

00:15:03.180 house

00:15:03.460 had only found

00:15:04.220 out in the

00:15:04.740 preceding

00:15:05.300 hours

00:15:06.180 hours

00:15:07.060 before the

00:15:07.660 shooting

00:15:08.020 that the

00:15:09.080 Russian picket

00:15:10.000 line

00:15:10.400 of submarines

00:15:11.500 and they always

00:15:12.360 in the cold

00:15:13.020 war

00:15:13.260 had a picket

00:15:13.860 line on both

00:15:14.560 coasts

00:15:15.640 of ballistic

00:15:16.780 submarines

00:15:17.560 aimed at the

00:15:18.440 United States

00:15:19.180 and the United

00:15:19.940 States government

00:15:20.740 was very much

00:15:21.340 aware of that

00:15:21.960 they had moved

00:15:23.080 in

00:15:23.460 they always stayed

00:15:24.540 a certain

00:15:25.000 distance away

00:15:25.900 and just in the

00:15:26.600 previous hours

00:15:28.100 they had moved

00:15:28.860 in close

00:15:29.500 so this is all

00:15:30.280 coming together

00:15:31.200 so that

00:15:32.560 that added to

00:15:33.440 the extra

00:15:33.960 stress of the

00:15:34.680 thing

00:15:34.960 now we all

00:15:36.620 know

00:15:36.980 you know

00:15:37.600 and you were

00:15:38.480 going to ask

00:15:38.860 me about him

00:15:39.480 Hinckley

00:15:39.920 we know he

00:15:40.540 was a disturbed

00:15:41.180 young man

00:15:41.860 but at the

00:15:42.640 moment the

00:15:43.240 shooting happened

00:15:44.040 we didn't

00:15:44.680 know that

00:15:45.340 so we were

00:15:46.340 very concerned

00:15:47.180 is this part

00:15:48.220 of a bigger

00:15:48.700 conspiracy

00:15:49.420 is this part

00:15:51.220 of something

00:15:51.760 perhaps being

00:15:52.520 engineered by

00:15:53.300 the Soviets

00:15:53.860 the Russians

00:15:54.680 and are other

00:15:56.640 people elsewhere

00:15:57.540 going to be

00:15:58.240 shot

00:15:58.620 so that

00:15:59.560 that first

00:16:00.580 hour or two

00:16:01.700 early that

00:16:02.840 day

00:16:03.320 it was

00:16:04.580 I describe it

00:16:06.340 and later we

00:16:07.400 looked up and we

00:16:08.300 did a lot of

00:16:09.080 studies about it

00:16:09.800 afterwards

00:16:10.120 it was a

00:16:10.820 crisis situation

00:16:12.320 it evolved

00:16:13.660 into a major

00:16:14.540 case

00:16:15.060 but at that

00:16:15.720 first hour or

00:16:16.920 two

00:16:17.080 it was

00:16:17.780 we considered

00:16:18.700 it a crisis

00:16:19.500 yeah you don't

00:16:20.740 know what you're

00:16:21.520 dealing with

00:16:22.080 what you're

00:16:22.440 walking into

00:16:23.000 is this guy

00:16:23.880 the only shooter

00:16:25.040 is this guy

00:16:25.660 sane

00:16:26.180 is he pretending

00:16:27.480 to be otherwise

00:16:28.460 is he a decoy

00:16:29.640 of some sort

00:16:30.220 or there you know

00:16:30.820 this is just

00:16:31.240 event number one

00:16:32.080 and another

00:16:32.880 event's about to

00:16:33.560 happen like

00:16:33.960 there's so much

00:16:34.700 you've got to

00:16:35.060 process and manage

00:16:36.080 so I'll go back

00:16:37.840 to the scene

00:16:38.320 for a second

00:16:38.860 President Reagan

00:16:40.100 had been taken

00:16:40.800 away but there

00:16:41.700 were three

00:16:42.560 other victims

00:16:43.760 press secretary

00:16:45.400 James Brady

00:16:46.340 secret service

00:16:47.400 agent Timothy

00:16:48.240 McCarthy

00:16:48.740 and DC

00:16:49.760 policeman Thomas

00:16:51.160 Delahanty

00:16:52.300 shot respectively

00:16:54.380 in the head

00:16:55.520 in the side

00:16:56.580 and in the neck

00:16:57.580 so those are

00:16:58.120 serious wounds

00:16:59.180 and we know

00:17:00.000 of course with

00:17:00.660 James Brady

00:17:01.180 he would never

00:17:02.160 be the same

00:17:02.580 again though

00:17:02.980 everyone would

00:17:03.560 live

00:17:03.920 and so were

00:17:05.640 they still on

00:17:06.260 scene or had

00:17:06.940 they been taken

00:17:07.440 in ambulances

00:17:08.160 the ambulances

00:17:09.720 were arriving

00:17:10.480 and leaving

00:17:11.080 as I got

00:17:11.860 there

00:17:12.220 another

00:17:13.660 and you just

00:17:14.840 touched on

00:17:15.260 something very

00:17:15.900 important from

00:17:16.420 a law enforcement

00:17:17.200 point of view

00:17:17.840 we had the

00:17:18.900 main crime scene

00:17:20.240 right there

00:17:21.000 at the Hilton

00:17:21.780 and it turns out

00:17:22.760 with an awful

00:17:23.380 lot of witnesses

00:17:24.220 who had to be

00:17:24.940 interviewed

00:17:25.280 but very quickly

00:17:27.140 we realized

00:17:28.280 we had several

00:17:28.880 other crime

00:17:29.700 scenes

00:17:30.020 the president

00:17:30.740 was taken

00:17:31.500 as were one

00:17:32.440 of the other

00:17:32.880 victims to the

00:17:33.820 George Washington

00:17:35.500 University Hospital

00:17:36.700 but one or two

00:17:39.760 of the other

00:17:40.120 victims

00:17:40.480 I think

00:17:40.800 Delahanty

00:17:41.480 and McCarthy

00:17:42.120 were taken

00:17:43.200 to D.C.

00:17:43.960 General Hospital

00:17:44.720 so we had

00:17:45.240 two different

00:17:45.720 hospital scenes

00:17:46.820 then we quickly

00:17:48.400 found out

00:17:50.340 we wanted

00:17:51.080 the Secret Service

00:17:52.280 limousine

00:17:53.520 the president's

00:17:54.240 limousine

00:17:54.700 that in itself

00:17:56.200 became a crime

00:17:57.080 scene because

00:17:57.680 that's where

00:17:58.240 he was hit

00:17:59.040 and that's where

00:18:00.000 one of the bullet

00:18:00.860 fragments was

00:18:01.740 so we had to

00:18:02.340 secure that

00:18:02.980 crime scene

00:18:03.800 so we had

00:18:04.780 just in D.C.

00:18:06.640 in very short

00:18:07.520 order

00:18:07.800 we had about

00:18:08.360 four different

00:18:09.040 crime scenes

00:18:09.900 in addition

00:18:10.740 to the main

00:18:11.360 one at the

00:18:11.880 Washington Hilton

00:18:12.740 my goodness

00:18:14.320 do you

00:18:14.700 in these

00:18:15.100 situations

00:18:15.660 do the

00:18:16.080 doctors

00:18:16.580 doing the

00:18:17.860 surgeries

00:18:18.500 know

00:18:19.620 everything's

00:18:21.060 evidence

00:18:21.420 you know

00:18:22.100 that we're

00:18:22.460 going to have

00:18:22.720 to save

00:18:23.060 every fragment

00:18:24.400 that is removed

00:18:25.420 from this

00:18:25.940 person

00:18:26.240 whether it's

00:18:26.640 the president

00:18:27.100 or the other

00:18:27.620 three guys

00:18:28.140 all of its

00:18:29.060 evidence

00:18:29.440 well

00:18:30.880 we were

00:18:31.800 somewhat

00:18:32.120 lucky

00:18:32.500 in that

00:18:32.840 regard

00:18:33.320 the

00:18:34.680 hospital

00:18:37.320 being

00:18:38.720 in the

00:18:39.360 in the

00:18:39.940 District

00:18:40.620 of Columbia

00:18:41.200 in those

00:18:41.720 days

00:18:42.080 the

00:18:42.980 emergency

00:18:43.640 room

00:18:44.080 in that

00:18:44.340 hospital

00:18:44.680 saw a lot

00:18:45.220 of shootings

00:18:45.720 so the

00:18:46.680 urban

00:18:46.980 situation

00:18:47.660 was such

00:18:48.340 so the

00:18:49.360 doctors

00:18:50.060 and not

00:18:51.100 just the

00:18:51.480 doctors

00:18:51.780 the nurses

00:18:52.300 the technicians

00:18:53.000 they had

00:18:53.420 some familiarity

00:18:54.180 with the

00:18:54.880 protocol

00:18:55.300 with shootings

00:18:55.960 so that

00:18:56.400 was an

00:18:56.700 advantage

00:18:57.260 we had

00:18:58.920 in the

00:18:59.300 FBI

00:18:59.740 a priority

00:19:00.880 and it

00:19:02.140 very quickly

00:19:02.600 spread

00:19:03.080 and I was

00:19:04.440 in touch

00:19:04.780 with the

00:19:05.180 supervisors

00:19:05.720 I was sending

00:19:06.300 to the

00:19:06.640 different scenes

00:19:07.400 a priority

00:19:08.680 of doing

00:19:09.620 and doing

00:19:11.100 this investigation

00:19:11.820 correctly

00:19:12.660 making a

00:19:13.580 textbook

00:19:14.000 perfect

00:19:14.740 we didn't

00:19:15.940 want to leave

00:19:16.380 anything

00:19:16.860 where they

00:19:17.220 could be

00:19:17.680 you know

00:19:18.000 six months

00:19:18.580 later

00:19:18.920 allegations

00:19:20.060 of a

00:19:20.560 cover-up

00:19:21.440 or a

00:19:21.760 conspiracy

00:19:22.200 or these

00:19:23.200 things that

00:19:23.620 came up

00:19:24.080 after the

00:19:24.640 Kennedy

00:19:24.900 shooting

00:19:25.340 so he

00:19:26.040 wanted to

00:19:26.400 do everything

00:19:26.920 right

00:19:27.440 and that

00:19:28.200 was our

00:19:28.620 priority

00:19:29.260 securing

00:19:29.860 the

00:19:30.100 evidence

00:19:30.580 a lot

00:19:32.740 of evidence

00:19:33.180 was actually

00:19:33.780 at the

00:19:34.160 hospital

00:19:34.600 when Reagan

00:19:35.300 and we

00:19:37.000 may be

00:19:37.300 talking about

00:19:37.800 him later

00:19:38.180 in the

00:19:38.420 discussion

00:19:38.820 but he

00:19:39.220 was quite

00:19:39.860 a remarkable

00:19:40.420 human being

00:19:41.260 and he

00:19:41.560 did have

00:19:41.880 this wonderful

00:19:42.440 sense of

00:19:43.000 humor

00:19:43.260 and he

00:19:44.200 was very

00:19:44.700 popular

00:19:45.500 at that

00:19:46.000 time

00:19:46.320 and everybody

00:19:47.140 really

00:19:47.720 loved him

00:19:49.560 and so

00:19:50.360 that affected

00:19:51.160 people

00:19:51.720 their emotional

00:19:52.560 involvement

00:19:53.200 in the

00:19:53.560 whole case

00:19:54.140 when he

00:19:55.040 arrived at

00:19:55.720 the hospital

00:19:56.560 the

00:19:58.800 emergency

00:19:59.780 people

00:20:00.380 there

00:20:00.700 as

00:20:01.140 their

00:20:01.420 protocol

00:20:02.000 they

00:20:02.600 literally

00:20:03.380 cut his

00:20:04.140 clothes

00:20:04.560 off him

00:20:05.120 and his

00:20:06.780 clothes

00:20:07.360 fell to

00:20:08.140 the floor

00:20:08.500 his suit

00:20:09.040 was bloody

00:20:09.580 his shirt

00:20:10.500 was totally

00:20:11.120 blood-soaked

00:20:11.960 it all

00:20:13.140 fell to

00:20:13.580 the floor

00:20:14.120 it turned

00:20:15.060 out he

00:20:15.480 had very

00:20:15.880 little on

00:20:16.560 in his

00:20:17.020 pockets

00:20:17.540 like most

00:20:18.340 presidents

00:20:18.760 he didn't

00:20:19.260 carry a

00:20:19.800 wallet

00:20:20.080 but all

00:20:21.940 of that

00:20:22.220 just fell

00:20:22.760 to the

00:20:23.060 floor

00:20:23.300 in his

00:20:23.620 blood

00:20:24.000 and

00:20:24.800 some

00:20:26.020 of our

00:20:26.400 agents

00:20:26.760 one in

00:20:27.160 particular

00:20:27.540 was on

00:20:28.020 the scene

00:20:28.540 very quickly

00:20:29.840 after this

00:20:30.400 happened

00:20:30.740 and they

00:20:31.480 started to

00:20:32.620 gather up

00:20:33.460 this material

00:20:34.160 that was on

00:20:34.640 the floor

00:20:35.140 right because

00:20:37.900 that's evidence

00:20:38.480 too

00:20:38.820 well so

00:20:39.420 Ronald Reagan

00:20:39.940 and the

00:20:40.240 stories about

00:20:40.940 him going

00:20:42.440 into that

00:20:42.920 ER are

00:20:43.520 pretty spectacular

00:20:44.320 which I'll

00:20:44.740 get to in

00:20:45.100 just a bit

00:20:45.500 but to

00:20:45.920 so let's

00:20:46.360 rewind

00:20:46.840 not yet

00:20:48.460 all the way

00:20:48.860 to the

00:20:49.040 beginning

00:20:49.260 of

00:20:49.460 Hinckley

00:20:49.700 but let's

00:20:50.100 rewind to

00:20:50.620 the actual

00:20:51.020 moment of

00:20:51.440 the shooting

00:20:51.860 because it's

00:20:52.720 interesting to

00:20:53.260 me to start

00:20:53.640 with the crime

00:20:54.120 scene and

00:20:54.700 discuss that

00:20:55.380 and then go

00:20:56.880 back and

00:20:57.360 because everybody

00:20:57.940 knows who

00:20:58.660 shot Reagan

00:20:59.200 it was John

00:20:59.680 Hinckley

00:20:59.960 and that

00:21:01.120 backstory is a

00:21:01.800 whole other

00:21:02.220 ball of wax

00:21:03.140 which we'll get

00:21:03.640 into in detail

00:21:04.260 so Hinckley

00:21:06.300 did show up

00:21:07.020 there we now

00:21:07.480 know he did

00:21:08.000 act alone

00:21:08.580 he wasn't a

00:21:09.200 Russian operative

00:21:09.900 he was a

00:21:10.980 lone wolf

00:21:11.940 and we'll

00:21:13.580 talk about his

00:21:14.280 reasons but

00:21:15.060 how was it

00:21:16.200 so easy

00:21:16.940 how is it

00:21:17.800 so easy

00:21:18.200 in today's

00:21:18.780 day and age

00:21:19.260 we think

00:21:19.640 impossible

00:21:20.660 just to show

00:21:21.380 up at a

00:21:21.660 hotel

00:21:22.000 get in

00:21:22.780 the crowd

00:21:23.600 and shoot

00:21:24.540 four people

00:21:25.100 including the

00:21:25.620 president

00:21:25.940 okay well

00:21:29.200 a key to

00:21:30.360 that or key

00:21:31.120 to that

00:21:31.460 explanation

00:21:32.120 is a man

00:21:33.180 named Al

00:21:33.700 Fury

00:21:34.060 who was the

00:21:35.220 director of

00:21:35.720 security at

00:21:36.320 the hotel

00:21:36.700 at the time

00:21:37.400 he was a

00:21:38.500 former

00:21:38.780 Washington

00:21:39.660 Metropolitan

00:21:40.380 Police Department

00:21:41.660 detective who

00:21:42.540 had worked

00:21:42.920 very closely

00:21:43.580 with the

00:21:44.000 FBI

00:21:44.440 actually he

00:21:45.740 was on

00:21:46.040 their robbery

00:21:46.520 squad and he

00:21:47.060 had worked

00:21:47.380 with the FBI

00:21:48.000 and bank

00:21:48.500 robbery so

00:21:49.080 here's another

00:21:50.120 very fortunate

00:21:51.680 coincidence that

00:21:52.880 we already had

00:21:53.600 a relationship

00:21:54.560 I had already

00:21:55.620 met Al Fury

00:21:56.480 in other

00:21:56.920 circumstances so

00:21:57.940 we knew him

00:21:58.560 he saw the

00:22:01.900 crowd gathering

00:22:03.060 outside the

00:22:04.100 ballroom exit

00:22:05.360 which is where

00:22:06.000 the president

00:22:06.740 ultimately exited

00:22:08.100 the hotel

00:22:08.820 and he'd been

00:22:09.760 given a speech

00:22:10.360 to 5,000

00:22:11.020 people with

00:22:11.660 AFL-CIO on

00:22:12.640 the inside

00:22:13.040 so he was

00:22:13.520 done

00:22:13.800 exactly

00:22:14.280 and before

00:22:17.020 the president

00:22:17.840 exited from

00:22:18.880 there

00:22:19.260 Al Fury

00:22:20.280 was there

00:22:21.040 at that

00:22:21.680 exit

00:22:22.120 right at

00:22:22.600 the curb

00:22:23.140 with the

00:22:24.060 general manager

00:22:24.820 of the hotel

00:22:25.480 Bill Smith

00:22:26.180 now the

00:22:26.580 Hilton

00:22:26.820 hotel system

00:22:28.540 they had a

00:22:29.000 tradition

00:22:29.460 that whenever

00:22:30.440 the president

00:22:31.180 or somebody

00:22:33.080 like the

00:22:33.700 president

00:22:34.080 was at

00:22:35.240 the hotel

00:22:36.120 leaving

00:22:36.560 that the

00:22:37.600 general manager

00:22:38.420 always saw

00:22:39.040 the person

00:22:39.560 off

00:22:39.840 so Bill

00:22:40.760 Smith was

00:22:41.220 waiting there

00:22:41.900 and Al Fury

00:22:43.040 the director

00:22:43.600 of security

00:22:44.100 is waiting

00:22:44.560 beside him

00:22:45.220 for the

00:22:45.500 president

00:22:45.860 to exit

00:22:46.460 Al Fury

00:22:47.860 and he was

00:22:48.380 interviewed

00:22:48.740 extensively

00:22:49.380 about this

00:22:50.020 later on

00:22:50.580 he saw

00:22:51.720 this crowd

00:22:52.380 beginning to

00:22:52.960 gather

00:22:53.260 now it

00:22:53.580 wasn't a

00:22:53.960 big crowd

00:22:54.460 it was only

00:22:54.900 a crowd

00:22:55.240 of 10

00:22:55.540 or 15

00:22:55.980 people

00:22:56.540 almost all

00:22:57.940 of whom

00:22:58.380 were professional

00:22:59.360 journalists

00:23:00.080 photographers

00:23:01.180 from the

00:23:02.200 media

00:23:03.840 and the

00:23:05.060 picture you're

00:23:05.620 showing right

00:23:06.220 now is a

00:23:06.840 photo that

00:23:07.340 he actually

00:23:08.180 took that

00:23:08.840 photo

00:23:09.240 Al Fury

00:23:09.780 took that

00:23:10.360 photo

00:23:10.780 this is

00:23:11.460 the before

00:23:11.920 yeah

00:23:12.960 and Al Fury

00:23:14.100 everyone looks

00:23:14.620 normal

00:23:15.000 everyone you know

00:23:15.700 people are just

00:23:16.440 hanging out

00:23:16.900 waiting that

00:23:17.480 it's clearly

00:23:18.120 they have no

00:23:18.900 idea what's

00:23:19.320 about to hit

00:23:19.720 look at it

00:23:20.360 closely he

00:23:21.000 called to the

00:23:21.740 crowd then

00:23:22.400 he took a

00:23:23.000 picture of

00:23:23.420 him because

00:23:23.700 he was like

00:23:24.160 a photo

00:23:25.080 buff too

00:23:25.820 he yelled

00:23:27.300 to the crowd

00:23:27.960 smile for the

00:23:28.640 birdie and

00:23:29.300 all of those

00:23:30.220 people are

00:23:30.800 pretty much

00:23:31.320 media people

00:23:32.120 cameramen

00:23:32.680 and they're

00:23:33.080 all smiling

00:23:33.740 at Al

00:23:34.300 just taking

00:23:35.140 the picture

00:23:35.620 except if

00:23:36.800 you look to

00:23:37.260 the left

00:23:37.660 in the

00:23:37.920 background

00:23:38.420 there's the

00:23:39.420 face of

00:23:40.600 John

00:23:42.880 Hinckley

00:23:43.360 and he's

00:23:44.180 not smiling

00:23:44.940 he has this

00:23:45.900 totally impassive

00:23:47.220 look on his

00:23:47.860 face

00:23:48.300 so this

00:23:49.220 photograph

00:23:49.760 became key

00:23:50.720 this photograph

00:23:51.360 was taken

00:23:51.880 about 10

00:23:52.380 minutes before

00:23:53.000 the shooting

00:23:53.540 and Al

00:23:54.960 you asked

00:23:55.660 about how

00:23:56.120 could this

00:23:56.520 happen

00:23:56.900 Al was a 1.00

00:23:58.060 little annoyed

00:23:58.760 frankly and

00:23:59.860 this is all

00:24:00.340 on the record

00:24:00.880 historically with

00:24:01.700 the Secret

00:24:02.100 Service that

00:24:02.760 they were going

00:24:03.080 to exit from

00:24:03.840 that exit 0.85

00:24:04.780 he invited

00:24:06.640 them to

00:24:07.960 drive their

00:24:08.580 cars into

00:24:09.440 the in

00:24:09.920 underground

00:24:11.780 garage

00:24:12.580 that's adjacent

00:24:13.260 to the

00:24:13.680 ballroom

00:24:14.220 which they

00:24:14.900 had used

00:24:15.340 for other

00:24:15.900 VIPs in

00:24:16.720 the past

00:24:17.220 and the

00:24:17.840 VIP could

00:24:18.620 exit the

00:24:19.080 ballroom

00:24:19.440 get in

00:24:19.820 their limo

00:24:20.400 and depart

00:24:21.360 get in

00:24:22.320 the limo

00:24:22.800 safely

00:24:23.420 undercover

00:24:23.980 and depart

00:24:24.580 the building

00:24:25.120 they declined

00:24:26.340 to do that

00:24:27.180 the Secret

00:24:28.420 Service

00:24:28.840 yeah they

00:24:30.000 declined to

00:24:30.580 do that

00:24:30.960 now later

00:24:31.700 on when

00:24:32.800 they had

00:24:33.060 their own

00:24:33.340 internal

00:24:33.740 investigations

00:24:34.560 the explanation

00:24:35.580 has been

00:24:36.260 offered

00:24:36.580 that

00:24:38.220 the

00:24:39.360 White House

00:24:40.020 political

00:24:41.160 people wanted

00:24:41.980 the president

00:24:42.560 to be seen

00:24:43.400 they didn't

00:24:43.880 want him

00:24:44.260 exiting from

00:24:45.360 inside the

00:24:45.900 garage

00:24:46.340 nonetheless

00:24:47.220 Fury wanted

00:24:48.580 to control

00:24:49.160 this crowd

00:24:49.860 he went

00:24:50.740 up

00:24:51.020 it was

00:24:51.720 Al Fury

00:24:52.180 not the

00:24:52.800 Secret

00:24:53.040 Service

00:24:53.380 he went

00:24:53.740 up to

00:24:54.000 the upper

00:24:54.420 lobby

00:24:54.780 the main

00:24:55.340 lobby

00:24:55.900 of the

00:24:56.260 Washington

00:24:56.580 Hilton

00:24:56.880 he got

00:24:57.940 these

00:24:58.340 ropes

00:24:59.460 and you

00:24:59.740 can see

00:25:00.080 it in

00:25:00.280 that

00:25:00.440 photograph

00:25:00.920 like a

00:25:01.640 black

00:25:02.300 velvet

00:25:02.840 rope

00:25:03.260 that

00:25:03.460 they

00:25:03.600 were

00:25:03.720 having

00:25:03.940 a

00:25:04.160 lobby

00:25:04.480 to

00:25:06.480 demarcate

00:25:07.180 the

00:25:07.380 lines

00:25:07.800 with

00:25:08.060 people

00:25:08.340 waiting

00:25:08.620 to

00:25:08.820 check

00:25:09.040 in

00:25:09.340 and

00:25:10.040 that

00:25:10.260 there

00:25:10.940 it

00:25:11.080 is

00:25:11.280 the

00:25:11.460 black

00:25:11.740 velvet

00:25:12.180 rope

00:25:12.480 across

00:25:12.820 the

00:25:13.020 crowd

00:25:13.320 Al put

00:25:13.900 that

00:25:14.160 there

00:25:14.400 to

00:25:14.560 hold

00:25:14.920 those

00:25:15.240 photographers

00:25:16.360 sort

00:25:17.240 of

00:25:17.360 back

00:25:17.680 and

00:25:17.840 they

00:25:18.500 all

00:25:18.800 were

00:25:19.220 very

00:25:19.440 compliant

00:25:20.000 and

00:25:20.300 stood

00:25:21.060 back

00:25:21.220 how

00:25:21.500 many

00:25:21.980 feet

00:25:22.360 away

00:25:22.800 from

00:25:23.260 President

00:25:23.800 Reagan

00:25:24.160 were

00:25:24.680 they

00:25:24.940 when

00:25:25.340 he

00:25:25.500 came

00:25:25.720 out

00:25:26.020 oh

00:25:27.260 10

00:25:28.380 yards

00:25:28.760 perhaps

00:25:29.240 10

00:25:29.500 12

00:25:29.800 yards

00:25:30.280 very

00:25:30.760 close

00:25:31.720 very

00:25:32.100 close

00:25:32.420 where

00:25:32.980 that

00:25:33.400 picture

00:25:33.740 is

00:25:33.920 taken

00:25:34.220 from

00:25:34.800 is

00:25:35.440 where

00:25:35.680 the

00:25:35.860 exit

00:25:36.160 is

00:25:36.440 so

00:25:36.640 Al

00:25:36.900 standing

00:25:37.260 in

00:25:37.600 front

00:25:37.780 of

00:25:37.860 the

00:25:37.960 exit

00:25:38.200 taking

00:25:38.560 the

00:25:38.740 picture

00:25:38.980 of

00:25:39.120 the

00:25:39.240 crowd

00:25:39.560 and

00:25:40.200 and

00:25:40.480 then

00:25:40.600 you

00:25:40.760 can

00:25:40.980 you

00:25:41.680 can

00:25:41.840 see

00:25:42.060 to

00:25:42.260 the

00:25:42.380 right

00:25:42.640 you

00:25:42.820 see

00:25:43.120 the

00:25:44.660 crowd

00:25:45.000 is

00:25:45.180 behind

00:25:45.560 him

00:25:45.940 and

00:25:46.680 what

00:25:46.880 and

00:25:47.180 just

00:25:48.120 to

00:25:48.280 explain

00:25:48.540 to

00:25:48.680 the

00:25:48.800 listening

00:25:49.080 audience

00:25:49.460 too

00:25:49.660 so

00:25:49.820 what

00:25:49.980 we're

00:25:50.100 seeing

00:25:50.400 here

00:25:50.700 is

00:25:51.000 first

00:25:51.240 we

00:25:51.380 saw

00:25:51.580 the

00:25:51.880 crowd

00:25:52.220 it

00:25:52.380 was

00:25:52.500 10

00:25:52.680 15

00:25:53.020 people

00:25:53.400 as

00:25:54.140 Tom

00:25:54.380 said

00:25:54.680 and

00:25:54.880 you

00:25:54.980 can

00:25:55.080 see

00:25:55.200 one

00:25:55.380 of

00:25:55.460 the

00:25:55.540 journalists

00:25:55.800 has

00:25:56.020 a

00:25:56.260 red

00:25:56.600 and

00:25:56.800 blue

00:25:57.300 umbrella

00:25:57.800 over

00:25:58.100 his

00:25:58.280 head

00:25:58.520 and

00:25:58.940 the

00:25:59.060 second

00:25:59.320 shot

00:25:59.580 we're

00:25:59.740 seeing

00:26:00.020 is

00:26:00.160 President

00:26:00.540 Reagan

00:26:00.820 coming

00:26:01.100 out

00:26:01.320 he's

00:26:01.500 fine

00:26:01.760 here

00:26:02.040 he's

00:26:02.580 smiling

00:26:02.940 he's

00:26:03.220 waving

00:26:03.500 his

00:26:03.700 right

00:26:03.900 hand

00:26:04.120 above

00:26:04.400 his

00:26:04.680 head

00:26:05.020 and

00:26:05.580 he

00:26:05.860 is

00:26:06.120 yeah

00:26:06.380 about

00:26:06.740 10

00:26:07.060 yards

00:26:07.340 away

00:26:07.660 from

00:26:07.980 you

00:26:08.320 can

00:26:08.460 see

00:26:08.680 the

00:26:08.840 blue

00:26:09.040 and

00:26:09.160 red

00:26:09.340 umbrella

00:26:09.680 you

00:26:09.900 can

00:26:10.060 no

00:26:10.200 longer

00:26:10.400 see

00:26:10.620 Hinkley

00:26:10.940 and

00:26:11.220 all

00:26:11.720 the

00:26:11.840 journalists

00:26:12.300 but

00:26:12.480 they're

00:26:12.920 right

00:26:13.540 there

00:26:13.800 it

00:26:13.980 looks

00:26:14.400 almost

00:26:14.620 like

00:26:14.840 he's

00:26:14.980 about

00:26:15.140 to

00:26:15.280 walk

00:26:15.480 over

00:26:15.680 to

00:26:15.820 them

00:26:15.980 to

00:26:16.140 glad

00:26:16.420 hand

00:26:16.640 go

00:26:16.840 ahead

00:26:16.980 Tom

00:26:17.220 and

00:26:18.220 this

00:26:18.520 shot

00:26:19.640 with

00:26:19.840 his

00:26:20.020 arm

00:26:20.280 in

00:26:20.420 the

00:26:20.560 air

00:26:20.900 is

00:26:21.520 literally

00:26:22.080 seconds

00:26:23.160 two

00:26:23.440 three

00:26:23.700 four

00:26:23.980 five

00:26:24.340 seconds

00:26:24.760 before

00:26:25.100 he

00:26:25.300 shot

00:26:25.640 the

00:26:26.260 car

00:26:26.820 you

00:26:27.060 don't

00:26:27.360 see

00:26:27.580 it

00:26:27.740 but

00:26:27.960 secret

00:26:28.940 service

00:26:29.380 agent

00:26:29.920 Timothy

00:26:31.040 McCarthy

00:26:31.680 is

00:26:32.080 the

00:26:32.260 fellow

00:26:32.440 in

00:26:32.580 the

00:26:32.680 very

00:26:32.860 light

00:26:33.160 blue

00:26:33.400 suit

00:26:33.780 standing

00:26:34.260 to

00:26:34.580 the

00:26:34.720 right

00:26:34.920 of

00:26:35.060 that

00:26:35.240 picture

00:26:35.620 and

00:26:36.460 the

00:26:36.640 car

00:26:37.240 is

00:26:37.460 right

00:26:37.740 there

00:26:38.740 and

00:26:39.320 they

00:26:39.540 now

00:26:39.780 you

00:26:39.940 see

00:26:40.100 the

00:26:40.260 car

00:26:40.480 from

00:26:40.680 another

00:26:40.960 angle

00:26:41.440 so

00:26:42.180 when

00:26:43.260 when

00:26:44.860 Hinckley

00:26:45.160 starts

00:26:45.540 shooting

00:26:46.040 the

00:26:47.420 secret

00:26:47.860 service

00:26:48.300 agents

00:26:48.700 start

00:26:49.020 pushing

00:26:49.580 Reagan

00:26:50.340 into

00:26:50.840 the

00:26:51.100 limo

00:26:51.580 and

00:26:51.760 that's

00:26:51.980 what

00:26:52.100 you're

00:26:52.240 seeing

00:26:52.500 right

00:26:52.760 there

00:26:53.160 his

00:26:53.880 arm

00:26:54.340 initially

00:26:54.820 was

00:26:55.140 extended

00:26:55.620 in

00:26:55.900 the

00:26:56.060 air

00:26:56.420 and

00:26:57.020 the

00:26:57.220 bullet

00:26:57.580 his

00:26:58.120 arm

00:26:58.380 is

00:26:58.520 extended

00:26:58.960 waving

00:26:59.440 the

00:26:59.960 bullet

00:27:00.200 actually

00:27:00.620 entered

00:27:00.980 under

00:27:01.300 the

00:27:01.520 armpit

00:27:02.120 so

00:27:03.220 the

00:27:03.400 arm

00:27:03.600 went

00:27:03.800 under

00:27:03.920 the

00:27:04.080 right

00:27:04.340 armpit

00:27:04.820 because

00:27:05.120 I

00:27:05.260 know

00:27:05.380 it

00:27:05.540 didn't

00:27:06.300 wind

00:27:06.680 up

00:27:06.920 the

00:27:08.100 left

00:27:08.380 lung

00:27:09.340 yeah

00:27:10.800 and

00:27:11.160 the

00:27:11.360 bullet

00:27:11.800 entered

00:27:12.140 under

00:27:12.620 the

00:27:12.820 armpit

00:27:13.220 in

00:27:13.380 any

00:27:13.580 event

00:27:13.980 and

00:27:14.660 it

00:27:14.800 turns

00:27:15.080 out

00:27:15.300 it

00:27:15.460 lodged

00:27:16.160 like

00:27:16.900 inches

00:27:17.620 behind

00:27:18.620 it's

00:27:19.300 described

00:27:19.680 behind

00:27:20.160 his

00:27:20.420 arm

00:27:20.780 so

00:27:21.480 when

00:27:21.780 to

00:27:22.180 jump

00:27:22.380 forward

00:27:22.640 to

00:27:22.800 the

00:27:22.940 emergency

00:27:23.320 room

00:27:23.660 if you

00:27:23.880 want

00:27:24.020 to do

00:27:24.240 that

00:27:24.500 now

00:27:24.820 when

00:27:25.580 when

00:27:25.960 they

00:27:26.140 went

00:27:26.400 in

00:27:26.680 the

00:27:26.960 surgeons

00:27:27.340 to

00:27:27.960 get

00:27:28.180 the

00:27:28.420 bullet

00:27:28.720 they

00:27:29.620 couldn't

00:27:30.820 the

00:27:31.060 head

00:27:31.400 surgeon

00:27:31.820 couldn't

00:27:32.660 clearly

00:27:33.140 see

00:27:33.480 the

00:27:33.680 bullet

00:27:33.920 because

00:27:34.240 it

00:27:34.340 was

00:27:34.480 literally

00:27:34.840 behind

00:27:35.300 the

00:27:35.500 heart

00:27:35.860 and

00:27:36.580 another

00:27:36.860 little

00:27:37.140 side

00:27:37.540 story

00:27:38.100 there

00:27:38.420 was

00:27:38.900 an

00:27:39.140 intern

00:27:39.560 there

00:27:39.980 an

00:27:40.640 intern

00:27:40.980 being

00:27:41.220 someone

00:27:41.540 the

00:27:41.740 first

00:27:41.980 year

00:27:42.220 out

00:27:42.420 of

00:27:42.560 medical

00:27:42.900 school

00:27:43.300 was

00:27:44.040 on

00:27:44.360 duty

00:27:44.600 beside

00:27:45.140 the

00:27:45.380 surgeon

00:27:45.740 in

00:27:46.000 the

00:27:46.120 emergency

00:27:46.480 room

00:27:46.940 and

00:27:47.780 to

00:27:48.040 assist

00:27:48.480 the

00:27:48.740 surgeon

00:27:49.120 in

00:27:49.420 getting

00:27:49.640 to

00:27:49.880 the

00:27:50.040 bullet

00:27:50.320 the

00:27:51.080 intern

00:27:51.660 reached

00:27:52.660 with

00:27:53.420 his

00:27:53.600 hand

00:27:54.000 into

00:27:54.440 the

00:27:54.740 open

00:27:55.300 chest

00:27:55.780 of

00:27:55.960 the

00:27:56.100 president

00:27:56.520 and

00:27:57.440 cupped

00:27:58.060 the

00:27:58.480 president's

00:27:59.480 beating

00:28:01.240 heart

00:28:01.660 in his

00:28:02.020 hand

00:28:02.340 and

00:28:02.580 held

00:28:02.980 it

00:28:03.120 aside

00:28:03.620 like

00:28:03.980 an

00:28:04.140 inch

00:28:04.360 or

00:28:04.480 an

00:28:04.600 inch

00:28:04.780 and

00:28:04.900 a

00:28:05.000 half

00:28:05.360 so

00:28:05.940 that

00:28:06.120 the

00:28:06.300 surgeon

00:28:06.620 could

00:28:06.880 reach

00:28:07.180 under

00:28:07.420 the

00:28:07.620 heart

00:28:07.920 and

00:28:08.240 take

00:28:08.580 out

00:28:08.820 the

00:28:09.120 bullet

00:28:09.360 which

00:28:10.000 is

00:28:10.160 what

00:28:10.360 happened

00:28:10.740 it's

00:28:11.320 amazing

00:28:11.700 to

00:28:11.960 think

00:28:12.260 of

00:28:12.480 it

00:28:12.620 this

00:28:12.900 24

00:28:14.660 year

00:28:15.040 old

00:28:15.380 is

00:28:15.660 holding

00:28:16.160 the

00:28:16.480 president's

00:28:17.360 beating

00:28:17.700 heart

00:28:18.260 in his

00:28:18.700 hand

00:28:19.100 it's

00:28:19.340 quite

00:28:19.540 a

00:28:19.680 remarkable

00:28:20.100 scene

00:28:20.660 so

00:28:21.400 that

00:28:21.600 guy

00:28:21.800 would

00:28:22.000 be

00:28:22.400 65

00:28:23.920 years

00:28:24.640 old

00:28:24.920 now

00:28:25.240 and

00:28:25.500 if

00:28:25.820 nothing's

00:28:26.240 happened

00:28:26.460 to

00:28:26.640 him

00:28:26.820 or

00:28:26.940 her

00:28:27.160 they're

00:28:27.460 still

00:28:27.680 walking

00:28:28.000 this

00:28:28.240 earth

00:28:28.500 being

00:28:28.740 able

00:28:28.920 to

00:28:29.080 say

00:28:29.240 they

00:28:29.400 did

00:28:29.600 that

00:28:29.880 that's

00:28:30.740 that's

00:28:31.220 extraordinary

00:28:31.620 and you know

00:28:32.300 what to the

00:28:32.660 surgeon's

00:28:33.060 credit

00:28:33.260 you know

00:28:33.580 that's

00:28:33.780 how you

00:28:33.980 train

00:28:34.340 the

00:28:34.980 interns

00:28:35.340 in

00:28:35.560 medicine

00:28:35.860 and

00:28:36.020 the

00:28:36.120 residents

00:28:36.460 whether

00:28:36.740 it's

00:28:36.980 the

00:28:37.100 president

00:28:37.400 of the

00:28:37.560 United

00:28:37.700 States

00:28:38.040 or

00:28:38.180 it's

00:28:38.340 not

00:28:38.560 they

00:28:38.900 always

00:28:39.060 used

00:28:39.180 to

00:28:39.280 say

00:28:39.480 I

00:28:40.000 know

00:28:40.120 a lot

00:28:40.300 of

00:28:40.380 doctors

00:28:40.660 and

00:28:40.780 they

00:28:40.820 always

00:28:40.960 say

00:28:41.100 like

00:28:41.260 the

00:28:41.380 last

00:28:41.600 thing

00:28:41.700 you

00:28:41.760 want

00:28:41.840 to

00:28:41.900 do

00:28:42.020 when

00:28:42.140 you

00:28:42.220 go

00:28:42.360 into

00:28:42.520 a

00:28:42.660 hospital

00:28:42.980 and

00:28:43.160 you

00:28:43.240 need

00:28:43.360 a

00:28:43.460 surgery

00:28:43.740 is

00:28:43.940 say

00:28:44.100 give me

00:28:44.640 the

00:28:44.780 head

00:28:44.900 of the

00:28:45.100 department

00:28:45.480 you

00:28:46.140 want

00:28:46.960 the

00:28:47.140 workhorses

00:28:47.760 who are

00:28:48.040 in there

00:28:48.400 every

00:28:48.740 day

00:28:49.020 like

00:28:49.260 that

00:28:49.460 intern

00:28:49.900 and

00:28:50.520 that

00:28:50.720 surgeon

00:28:51.120 just

00:28:51.440 plowing

00:28:52.260 through

00:28:52.540 person

00:28:52.920 after

00:28:53.180 person

00:28:53.640 yes

00:28:54.720 and

00:28:55.320 what

00:28:55.460 was

00:28:55.640 a

00:28:55.780 little

00:28:55.900 more

00:28:56.160 tense

00:28:56.520 but

00:28:56.820 then

00:28:57.000 they

00:28:57.180 were

00:28:57.300 just

00:28:57.640 discovered

00:28:58.160 I

00:28:58.780 think

00:28:59.040 they

00:28:59.180 had

00:28:59.320 just

00:28:59.520 discovered

00:28:59.940 it

00:29:00.140 Hinkley

00:29:01.100 had

00:29:01.360 this

00:29:01.600 unusual

00:29:02.200 the

00:29:03.560 weapon

00:29:04.180 he

00:29:04.380 had

00:29:04.540 the

00:29:04.700 revolver

00:29:05.180 was

00:29:05.380 only

00:29:05.580 a

00:29:05.720 22

00:29:06.080 caliber

00:29:06.620 weapon

00:29:07.740 but

00:29:08.300 he

00:29:08.980 was

00:29:09.160 firing

00:29:09.560 these

00:29:09.940 rounds

00:29:10.440 22

00:29:10.900 shorts

00:29:11.420 that

00:29:11.620 were

00:29:11.760 called

00:29:12.000 devastated

00:29:12.640 bullets

00:29:13.080 so

00:29:13.680 there

00:29:13.800 were

00:29:13.900 a

00:29:14.060 hollow

00:29:14.300 point

00:29:14.680 bullet

00:29:15.060 that

00:29:15.360 had

00:29:15.580 this

00:29:15.800 explosive

00:29:16.360 powder

00:29:17.660 in

00:29:18.100 the

00:29:18.700 hollow

00:29:19.900 point

00:29:20.260 of

00:29:20.400 the

00:29:20.500 bullet

00:29:20.740 they

00:29:20.940 were

00:29:21.080 supposedly

00:29:21.700 going

00:29:22.480 to

00:29:22.680 explode

00:29:23.160 on

00:29:23.400 impact

00:29:23.960 one

00:29:24.740 of

00:29:24.900 them

00:29:25.080 did

00:29:25.480 unfortunately

00:29:26.340 the

00:29:26.660 one

00:29:26.860 that

00:29:27.100 hit

00:29:27.520 Brady

00:29:29.160 the

00:29:29.380 press

00:29:29.640 secretary

00:29:30.100 in the

00:29:30.460 head

00:29:30.660 that

00:29:30.880 exploded

00:29:31.460 we

00:29:31.700 now

00:29:31.940 know

00:29:32.200 in

00:29:32.480 him

00:29:32.680 and

00:29:32.820 that's

00:29:33.060 what

00:29:33.160 did

00:29:33.340 so

00:29:33.580 much

00:29:33.780 damage

00:29:34.280 in

00:29:35.080 his

00:29:35.920 brain

00:29:36.420 the

00:29:37.380 bullet

00:29:37.720 that's

00:29:38.120 sitting

00:29:38.440 behind

00:29:38.980 the

00:29:39.180 president's

00:29:39.740 heart

00:29:40.020 was

00:29:40.260 also

00:29:40.600 a

00:29:40.800 devastated

00:29:41.260 round

00:29:41.780 but

00:29:42.020 it

00:29:42.180 had

00:29:42.360 not

00:29:42.840 exploded

00:29:43.360 and

00:29:44.380 I'm

00:29:44.620 not

00:29:44.840 sure

00:29:45.080 if

00:29:45.280 they

00:29:45.560 knew

00:29:46.080 the

00:29:46.960 surgeons

00:29:47.380 at

00:29:47.720 that

00:29:47.960 moment

00:29:48.320 that

00:29:48.560 this

00:29:48.780 was

00:29:49.020 a

00:29:49.200 devastated

00:29:49.720 round

00:29:50.200 because

00:29:50.460 it

00:29:50.560 was

00:29:50.660 all

00:29:50.840 happening

00:29:51.200 so fast

00:29:51.820 we

00:29:52.400 may

00:29:52.600 not

00:29:52.780 have

00:29:52.980 still

00:29:53.300 explode

00:29:53.920 so

00:29:54.660 I mean

00:29:55.240 when they're

00:29:55.640 taking it

00:29:56.080 out

00:29:56.200 that has

00:29:56.560 to be

00:29:57.720 on their

00:29:58.080 mind

00:29:58.500 as a

00:29:59.200 concern

00:29:59.700 you know

00:30:00.320 and was

00:30:02.740 it easy

00:30:03.100 back then

00:30:03.540 I don't

00:30:03.780 know

00:30:04.040 anything

00:30:04.220 about

00:30:04.460 devastated

00:30:04.920 bullets

00:30:05.260 but was

00:30:05.660 it easy

00:30:06.000 for

00:30:06.240 Hinckley

00:30:06.600 to get

00:30:07.480 them

00:30:07.740 yes

00:30:09.160 and it

00:30:09.460 probably

00:30:09.660 would have

00:30:09.920 been

00:30:10.040 easy

00:30:10.300 today

00:30:10.780 what

00:30:11.440 happened

00:30:11.860 was

00:30:12.120 and we

00:30:12.360 also

00:30:12.600 quickly

00:30:13.020 learned

00:30:13.340 this

00:30:13.560 that

00:30:13.940 afternoon

00:30:14.480 which

00:30:14.960 we'll

00:30:15.540 probably

00:30:15.800 get to

00:30:16.160 this

00:30:16.380 in

00:30:18.560 telling

00:30:19.380 you

00:30:19.620 this

00:30:19.920 account

00:30:21.080 but

00:30:21.420 we

00:30:22.660 very

00:30:22.980 quickly

00:30:23.540 set

00:30:23.860 up

00:30:24.020 a

00:30:24.200 command

00:30:24.580 post

00:30:25.040 in

00:30:25.480 the

00:30:25.620 Washington

00:30:26.000 Hilton

00:30:26.400 Al

00:30:26.780 Fury

00:30:27.140 and

00:30:27.520 Bill

00:30:28.660 Smith

00:30:29.000 offered

00:30:29.380 us

00:30:29.620 a suite

00:30:30.400 of

00:30:30.560 rooms

00:30:30.820 right

00:30:31.120 off

00:30:31.380 that

00:30:31.620 entrance

00:30:32.100 so

00:30:32.980 we

00:30:33.200 had

00:30:33.380 what

00:30:33.740 we

00:30:33.860 call

00:30:34.120 in

00:30:34.240 law

00:30:34.380 enforcement

00:30:34.740 a

00:30:34.960 forward

00:30:35.300 command

00:30:35.780 post

00:30:36.140 the

00:30:36.320 command

00:30:36.640 post

00:30:36.940 right

00:30:37.200 near

00:30:37.460 the

00:30:37.600 scene

00:30:37.820 of

00:30:37.920 the

00:30:38.040 crime

00:30:38.400 and

00:30:39.200 we

00:30:39.560 and

00:30:40.380 as

00:30:40.600 you

00:30:40.720 mentioned

00:30:41.060 earlier

00:30:41.420 there

00:30:41.660 weren't

00:30:41.880 no

00:30:42.040 cell

00:30:42.360 phones

00:30:42.640 in

00:30:42.820 those

00:30:43.060 days

00:30:43.480 we

00:30:44.400 were

00:30:44.520 just

00:30:44.680 starting

00:30:45.000 to

00:30:45.140 have

00:30:45.280 car

00:30:45.620 phones

00:30:45.940 actually

00:30:46.400 so

00:30:47.540 the

00:30:48.640 Hilton

00:30:48.900 people

00:30:49.440 in

00:30:50.440 minutes

00:30:51.040 set up

00:30:52.260 in

00:30:52.500 the

00:30:52.720 in

00:30:53.000 these

00:30:53.300 command

00:30:53.720 post

00:30:54.160 a

00:30:54.620 whole

00:30:54.880 bunch

00:30:55.260 of

00:30:55.480 extra

00:30:55.840 phone

00:30:56.200 lines

00:30:56.560 they ran

00:30:57.160 in

00:30:57.380 set

00:30:57.700 up

00:30:57.840 the

00:30:57.960 Jax

00:30:58.280 and

00:30:58.440 everything

00:30:58.800 so

00:30:59.480 we

00:30:59.620 were

00:30:59.800 calling

00:31:00.220 from

00:31:00.580 there

00:31:00.860 all

00:31:01.060 around

00:31:01.300 the

00:31:01.480 country

00:31:01.840 we

00:31:02.380 very

00:31:02.660 quickly

00:31:03.080 determined

00:31:03.720 that

00:31:04.800 Hinkley

00:31:05.220 had been

00:31:05.780 in

00:31:06.160 Dallas

00:31:06.640 Texas

00:31:07.180 just

00:31:08.400 days

00:31:08.740 before

00:31:09.060 coming

00:31:09.340 to

00:31:09.480 Washington

00:31:09.820 D.C.

00:31:11.040 so

00:31:11.640 we

00:31:12.300 sent

00:31:12.640 a

00:31:12.820 lead

00:31:13.160 phone

00:31:14.100 the

00:31:14.440 lead

00:31:14.640 to

00:31:14.840 Dallas

00:31:15.340 I

00:31:16.380 contacted

00:31:17.000 my

00:31:17.420 counterpart

00:31:18.520 who also

00:31:19.200 happened

00:31:19.420 to be

00:31:19.600 a

00:31:19.720 personal

00:31:20.020 friend

00:31:20.340 Gary

00:31:20.680 Penrith

00:31:21.180 who

00:31:21.740 was

00:31:21.900 the

00:31:22.100 ASAC

00:31:22.620 that's

00:31:22.980 the

00:31:23.120 second

00:31:23.360 in

00:31:23.580 charge

00:31:23.860 of

00:31:24.000 the

00:31:24.120 Dallas

00:31:24.440 office

00:31:24.880 and

00:31:25.620 gave

00:31:25.880 him

00:31:26.040 some

00:31:26.280 of

00:31:26.380 these

00:31:26.580 leads

00:31:26.920 and

00:31:27.120 continued

00:31:27.700 to

00:31:27.980 keep

00:31:28.180 an

00:31:28.280 open

00:31:28.500 line

00:31:28.800 to

00:31:28.960 him

00:31:29.120 all

00:31:29.320 day

00:31:29.660 they

00:31:30.680 went

00:31:30.920 out

00:31:31.140 they

00:31:31.320 found

00:31:31.540 this

00:31:31.740 place

00:31:32.080 this

00:31:32.660 pawn

00:31:33.040 shop

00:31:33.440 Ricky's

00:31:34.740 pawn

00:31:35.000 shop

00:31:35.320 where

00:31:35.500 he

00:31:35.640 purchased

00:31:36.040 the

00:31:36.260 gun

00:31:36.540 and

00:31:37.700 an

00:31:37.840 agent

00:31:38.060 went

00:31:38.460 in

00:31:38.620 there

00:31:38.840 within

00:31:39.100 hours

00:31:39.480 of

00:31:39.600 the

00:31:39.720 shooting

00:31:40.020 and

00:31:40.200 obtained

00:31:40.520 all

00:31:40.720 the

00:31:40.860 paperwork

00:31:41.320 so

00:31:41.660 he

00:31:42.220 went

00:31:42.460 in

00:31:42.760 purchased

00:31:43.460 the

00:31:43.700 gun

00:31:43.940 legally

00:31:44.560 at

00:31:44.920 a

00:31:45.040 pawn

00:31:45.280 shop

00:31:45.660 your

00:31:46.540 business

00:31:46.980 doesn't

00:31:47.420 move

00:31:47.720 in

00:31:47.840 a

00:31:47.980 straight 0.70

00:31:48.200 line

00:31:48.520 some

00:31:49.140 days

00:31:49.420 bring

00:31:49.680 growth

00:31:50.080 others

00:31:50.680 bring

00:31:51.000 challenges

00:31:51.500 but

00:31:52.260 what

00:31:52.460 if

00:31:52.620 you

00:31:52.800 or

00:31:53.000 a

00:31:53.140 partner

00:31:53.440 needs

00:31:53.780 to

00:31:53.960 step

00:31:54.160 away

00:31:54.520 when

00:31:55.100 the

00:31:55.260 unexpected

00:31:55.820 happens

00:31:56.280 count

00:31:57.000 on

00:31:57.360 Canada

00:31:57.720 Life's

00:31:58.140 flexible

00:31:58.620 life and

00:31:59.140 health

00:31:59.340 insurance

00:31:59.840 to help

00:32:00.400 your business

00:32:00.960 keep working

00:32:01.540 even when

00:32:02.180 you can't

00:32:02.860 don't let

00:32:03.700 life's

00:32:04.120 challenges

00:32:04.500 stand in

00:32:05.080 the way

00:32:05.340 of your

00:32:05.640 success

00:32:06.200 protect

00:32:06.860 what

00:32:07.220 you've

00:32:07.440 built

00:32:07.620 today

00:32:08.080 visit

00:32:08.840 Canada

00:32:09.260 Life.com

00:32:10.160 slash

00:32:10.520 business

00:32:10.900 protection

00:32:11.360 to learn

00:32:12.100 more

00:32:12.460 Canada

00:32:13.060 Life

00:32:13.480 insurance

00:32:14.460 investments

00:32:15.340 advice

00:32:16.260 then

00:32:20.180 would

00:32:20.400 come

00:32:20.740 the

00:32:21.400 shock

00:32:21.680 of

00:32:21.880 going

00:32:22.420 into

00:32:22.680 his

00:32:23.040 hotel

00:32:23.840 room

00:32:24.140 I

00:32:24.280 think

00:32:24.500 in

00:32:24.820 D.C.

00:32:25.860 is that

00:32:26.200 where

00:32:26.360 you

00:32:26.520 went

00:32:26.720 like

00:32:26.900 you

00:32:27.320 tracked

00:32:27.800 down

00:32:28.020 where

00:32:28.140 he

00:32:28.220 was

00:32:28.360 staying

00:32:28.700 yes

00:32:29.800 so

00:32:30.280 what

00:32:30.620 what

00:32:30.820 happened

00:32:31.140 if I

00:32:31.400 can

00:32:31.500 back up

00:32:31.900 a

00:32:32.020 little

00:32:32.160 bit

00:32:32.400 in

00:32:32.520 the

00:32:32.640 sequence

00:32:33.000 of

00:32:33.160 this

00:32:33.360 he

00:32:34.440 was

00:32:34.680 taken

00:32:35.160 and

00:32:36.100 once

00:32:36.580 again

00:32:36.800 Lieutenant

00:32:37.200 Wilson

00:32:37.560 told us

00:32:38.040 this

00:32:38.340 is one

00:32:38.880 of the

00:32:39.040 first

00:32:39.220 things

00:32:39.440 he

00:32:39.560 told

00:32:39.760 me

00:32:39.980 they

00:32:40.640 took

00:32:41.000 Hinckley

00:32:41.440 to

00:32:41.880 the

00:32:42.100 homicide

00:32:42.520 office

00:32:43.160 of

00:32:43.520 the

00:32:43.800 Washington

00:32:44.400 Metropolitan

00:32:44.940 Police

00:32:45.280 headquarters

00:32:45.780 I

00:32:47.680 sent

00:32:48.060 immediately

00:32:48.720 by name

00:32:49.580 two

00:32:50.020 agents

00:32:50.440 over

00:32:50.760 there

00:32:51.100 eventually

00:32:52.760 three

00:32:53.180 but in

00:32:53.540 any

00:32:53.740 event

00:32:54.120 George

00:32:55.880 Schimmel

00:32:56.260 and

00:32:56.400 Henry

00:32:56.700 Ragle

00:32:57.080 who were

00:32:57.580 very

00:32:58.720 good

00:32:59.060 agents

00:32:59.760 and

00:33:00.040 very

00:33:00.380 good

00:33:00.600 interviewers

00:33:01.240 to get

00:33:02.080 him

00:33:02.240 they

00:33:02.420 went

00:33:02.620 over

00:33:02.820 there

00:33:03.020 they

00:33:03.200 got

00:33:03.500 him

00:33:03.740 and

00:33:04.160 the

00:33:04.360 police

00:33:04.620 said

00:33:04.840 they

00:33:05.000 hadn't

00:33:05.320 attempted

00:33:05.720 to

00:33:05.960 talk

00:33:06.220 to

00:33:06.340 him

00:33:06.480 yet

00:33:06.660 at

00:33:06.820 all

00:33:07.160 turned

00:33:08.400 him

00:33:08.540 over

00:33:08.720 to

00:33:08.880 us

00:33:09.200 these

00:33:09.840 agents

00:33:10.200 took

00:33:10.440 him

00:33:10.540 to

00:33:10.640 the

00:33:10.800 Washington

00:33:11.140 field

00:33:11.520 office

00:33:11.940 that

00:33:12.600 photograph

00:33:13.100 you're

00:33:13.560 showing

00:33:13.820 now

00:33:14.140 is

00:33:14.360 he

00:33:14.820 in

00:33:15.160 the

00:33:15.300 Washington

00:33:15.640 field

00:33:16.000 office

00:33:16.380 with

00:33:17.160 our

00:33:17.380 case

00:33:17.740 number

00:33:18.100 he's

00:33:18.440 holding

00:33:18.700 it

00:33:18.880 up

00:33:19.060 there

00:33:19.300 they

00:33:20.800 interviewed

00:33:21.240 him

00:33:21.660 he

00:33:22.560 didn't

00:33:23.700 deny

00:33:24.120 his

00:33:24.340 identity

00:33:24.820 he

00:33:25.160 didn't

00:33:25.400 deny

00:33:25.680 what

00:33:25.900 he

00:33:26.040 did

00:33:26.420 and

00:33:27.640 he

00:33:27.860 told

00:33:28.780 them

00:33:28.920 he

00:33:29.060 had

00:33:29.180 been

00:33:29.320 staying

00:33:29.700 at

00:33:29.940 a

00:33:30.260 hotel

00:33:30.580 in

00:33:30.860 D.C.

00:33:31.320 the

00:33:31.460 park

00:33:31.800 central

00:33:32.220 so

00:33:33.260 we

00:33:33.520 immediately

00:33:34.040 sent

00:33:34.700 the

00:33:35.440 police

00:33:35.820 and

00:33:36.100 FBI

00:33:36.740 went

00:33:37.080 to

00:33:37.200 the

00:33:37.340 park

00:33:37.580 central

00:33:37.860 did

00:33:38.120 not

00:33:38.320 go

00:33:38.540 in

00:33:38.700 the

00:33:38.820 room

00:33:39.120 we

00:33:39.680 wanted

00:33:39.940 to

00:33:40.140 do

00:33:40.300 everything

00:33:40.840 by

00:33:43.820 the

00:33:44.020 outside

00:33:44.540 didn't

00:33:45.080 let

00:33:45.260 anybody

00:33:45.660 go

00:33:45.960 in

00:33:46.260 and

00:33:46.900 another

00:33:47.260 agent

00:33:47.800 Tom

00:33:48.500 Bush

00:33:48.780 went

00:33:50.460 to

00:33:51.680 the

00:33:51.840 U.S.

00:33:52.140 Attorney's

00:33:52.680 office

00:33:52.940 and

00:33:53.220 sat

00:33:53.460 down

00:33:53.780 with

00:33:53.980 the

00:33:54.520 U.S.

00:33:54.820 Attorney

00:33:55.040 staff

00:33:55.580 and

00:33:56.400 drew

00:33:56.620 up

00:33:56.760 an

00:33:56.900 affidavit

00:33:57.520 for a

00:33:57.900 search

00:33:58.160 warrant

00:33:58.520 of the

00:33:58.840 hotel

00:33:59.220 room

00:33:59.500 that

00:33:59.700 took

00:33:59.980 a

00:34:00.540 good

00:34:00.700 part

00:34:00.960 of

00:34:01.060 the

00:34:01.200 afternoon

00:34:01.700 so

00:34:02.660 they

00:34:02.840 were

00:34:02.980 ready

00:34:03.220 to

00:34:03.420 do

00:34:03.580 the

00:34:03.800 search

00:34:04.180 of

00:34:04.340 the

00:34:04.460 hotel

00:34:04.840 room

00:34:05.060 in

00:34:05.260 the

00:34:05.440 evening

00:34:05.980 9

00:34:09.180 10

00:34:09.400 11

00:34:09.680 o'clock

00:34:10.000 at

00:34:10.360 night

00:34:10.560 by

00:34:10.720 that

00:34:10.960 time

00:34:13.820 Hilton

00:34:14.120 went

00:34:14.420 and

00:34:14.580 joined

00:34:14.840 the

00:34:15.040 search

00:34:15.300 team

00:34:15.660 at

00:34:16.000 the

00:34:16.340 Park

00:34:18.280 Central

00:34:18.660 Hotel

00:34:19.120 which

00:34:19.660 by the

00:34:19.980 way

00:34:20.120 that

00:34:20.300 hotel

00:34:20.640 doesn't

00:34:21.000 exist

00:34:21.340 anymore

00:34:21.780 and

00:34:22.680 that's

00:34:22.940 when

00:34:23.080 we

00:34:23.200 went

00:34:23.400 in

00:34:23.520 the

00:34:23.640 hotel

00:34:24.020 room

00:34:24.360 and

00:34:24.880 that

00:34:25.020 was

00:34:25.160 bizarre

00:34:25.580 what

00:34:25.840 we

00:34:25.980 found

00:34:26.300 there

00:34:26.580 first

00:34:26.980 thing

00:34:27.220 we

00:34:27.460 had

00:34:27.840 already

00:34:28.080 had

00:34:28.320 it

00:34:28.460 well

00:34:28.740 planned

00:34:29.160 once

00:34:29.960 again

00:34:30.300 concerned

00:34:31.440 about

00:34:31.780 history

00:34:32.280 before

00:34:32.960 we

00:34:33.200 touched

00:34:33.540 anything

00:34:34.040 when

00:34:34.620 we

00:34:34.820 entered

00:34:35.200 the

00:34:35.400 hotel

00:34:35.780 room

00:34:36.100 the

00:34:37.240 whole

00:34:37.500 room

00:34:37.720 was

00:34:37.940 filmed

00:34:38.240 and

00:34:38.480 photographed

00:34:38.860 before

00:34:39.400 anything

00:34:39.740 was

00:34:40.000 touched

00:34:40.460 then

00:34:41.540 fingerprints

00:34:43.300 in

00:34:43.640 the

00:34:44.580 logical

00:34:45.000 places

00:34:45.540 that

00:34:46.360 you

00:34:46.540 would

00:34:46.860 they

00:34:47.420 dusted

00:34:47.780 for

00:34:48.040 fingerprints

00:34:48.600 just

00:34:49.040 in

00:34:49.300 case

00:34:49.740 it

00:34:50.440 ever

00:34:50.660 came

00:34:50.960 up

00:34:51.200 in

00:34:51.300 the

00:34:51.460 future

00:34:52.260 that

00:34:52.500 he

00:34:52.640 was

00:34:52.800 with

00:34:53.020 somebody

00:34:53.500 else

00:34:53.860 or

00:34:54.020 there

00:34:54.180 was

00:34:54.320 an

00:34:54.440 allegation

00:34:55.000 that

00:34:55.180 somebody

00:34:55.520 else

00:34:55.760 was

00:34:55.920 with

00:34:56.160 him

00:34:56.400 so

00:34:56.900 they

00:34:57.060 collected

00:34:57.460 fingerprints

00:34:58.240 and

00:34:59.060 then

00:34:59.220 we

00:34:59.400 looked

00:34:59.680 and

00:34:59.900 there

00:35:00.120 on

00:35:00.320 a

00:35:00.520 desk

00:35:00.900 there

00:35:01.180 was

00:35:01.320 like

00:35:01.560 a

00:35:01.760 desk

00:35:02.100 table

00:35:02.720 in

00:35:03.000 the

00:35:03.160 room

00:35:03.480 he

00:35:05.480 had

00:35:05.800 laid

00:35:06.140 out

00:35:06.420 his

00:35:06.620 entire

00:35:07.040 plan

00:35:07.480 he

00:35:08.160 had

00:35:08.400 the

00:35:08.640 portion

00:35:09.400 of

00:35:09.580 the

00:35:09.720 morning's

00:35:10.200 newspaper

00:35:10.720 laid

00:35:11.080 out

00:35:11.360 where

00:35:11.600 they

00:35:11.800 had

00:35:12.140 the

00:35:12.700 president

00:35:13.160 schedule

00:35:13.780 that's

00:35:15.220 something

00:35:15.540 that's

00:35:15.840 changed

00:35:16.240 but

00:35:16.960 in

00:35:17.280 those

00:35:17.500 days

00:35:17.760 they

00:35:17.940 would

00:35:18.100 always

00:35:18.360 print

00:35:18.760 in

00:35:18.980 the

00:35:19.100 Washington

00:35:19.580 DC

00:35:19.940 papers

00:35:20.520 the

00:35:21.060 president

00:35:21.420 schedule

00:35:21.940 for

00:35:22.180 the

00:35:22.320 day

00:35:22.580 he

00:35:23.240 had

00:35:23.440 that

00:35:23.680 circled

00:35:24.260 where

00:35:24.520 the

00:35:24.700 president

00:35:25.000 was

00:35:25.220 talking

00:35:25.620 to

00:35:25.840 this

00:35:26.640 AF

00:35:27.300 of

00:35:27.480 L

00:35:27.680 CIO

00:35:28.280 labor

00:35:29.020 group

00:35:29.780 at

00:35:30.060 the

00:35:30.180 hotel

00:35:30.540 he

00:35:30.780 had

00:35:30.920 that

00:35:31.120 circled

00:35:31.700 he

00:35:32.580 had

00:35:32.820 a

00:35:33.020 map

00:35:33.380 of

00:35:34.200 DC

00:35:34.580 with

00:35:35.180 the

00:35:35.400 Washington

00:35:36.140 Hilton

00:35:36.480 hotel

00:35:36.900 circled

00:35:37.480 and

00:35:38.160 he

00:35:38.360 had

00:35:38.600 a

00:35:38.820 statement

00:35:39.280 in

00:35:40.560 the

00:35:40.720 form

00:35:41.000 of

00:35:41.140 a

00:35:41.360 letter

00:35:41.620 to

00:35:42.060 the

00:35:42.340 actress

00:35:42.880 Jodie

00:35:43.320 Forster

00:35:43.900 saying

00:35:45.140 that

00:35:45.600 he

00:35:45.760 was

00:35:45.980 going

00:35:46.260 to

00:35:46.480 do

00:35:46.720 this

00:35:47.040 world

00:35:47.920 historical

00:35:48.780 deed

00:35:49.360 to win

00:35:49.880 her

00:35:50.160 heart

00:35:50.640 so

00:35:51.380 there

00:35:51.680 it

00:35:51.860 was

00:35:52.180 the

00:35:52.440 motive

00:35:52.800 the

00:35:53.220 whole

00:35:53.460 story

00:35:53.900 laid

00:35:54.520 out

00:35:54.840 for

00:35:55.120 us

00:35:55.320 to

00:35:55.520 find

00:35:55.920 it's

00:35:57.060 so

00:35:57.300 crazy

00:35:57.860 and

00:35:58.180 I

00:35:58.280 just

00:35:58.420 want

00:35:58.540 to

00:35:58.620 tell

00:35:58.780 the

00:35:58.900 listening

00:35:59.200 audience

00:35:59.540 so

00:35:59.720 the

00:35:59.840 picture

00:36:00.080 of

00:36:00.240 John

00:36:00.460 Hinckley

00:36:00.720 Jr.

00:36:01.020 who

00:36:01.840 at

00:36:01.980 that

00:36:02.140 point

00:36:02.340 would

00:36:02.520 have

00:36:02.640 been

00:36:02.840 26

00:36:03.560 he

00:36:03.960 was

00:36:04.060 born

00:36:04.220 in

00:36:04.340 55

00:36:04.860 so

00:36:06.040 in

00:36:06.400 81

00:36:06.800 he's

00:36:07.400 got

00:36:07.580 to

00:36:07.660 be

00:36:07.760 about

00:36:07.980 26

00:36:08.400 years

00:36:08.660 old

00:36:08.960 he

00:36:09.700 looks

00:36:10.080 young

00:36:10.620 he's

00:36:10.920 got

00:36:11.240 sort

00:36:11.760 of

00:36:11.960 messy

00:36:12.540 hair

00:36:12.840 we

00:36:12.980 can

00:36:13.100 put

00:36:13.240 it

00:36:13.320 back

00:36:13.500 up

00:36:13.660 there

00:36:13.940 he's

00:36:14.500 got

00:36:14.620 a

00:36:14.760 long

00:36:15.140 you know

00:36:15.480 long

00:36:16.400 hair

00:36:16.760 he

00:36:17.100 doesn't

00:36:17.840 look

00:36:18.060 deranged

00:36:18.680 in

00:36:18.880 the

00:36:18.980 picture

00:36:19.280 he

00:36:19.500 looks

00:36:19.800 I

00:36:20.880 don't

00:36:21.000 know

00:36:21.200 like

00:36:21.520 I

00:36:21.800 don't

00:36:22.040 want

00:36:22.380 to

00:36:22.500 compliment

00:36:22.880 John

00:36:23.220 Hingley

00:36:23.620 Jr.

00:36:24.100 but

00:36:24.240 you

00:36:24.620 know

00:36:24.720 somewhat

00:36:25.160 handsome

00:36:25.700 I

00:36:26.140 guess

00:36:26.620 and

00:36:27.740 you

00:36:28.660 he

00:36:28.800 doesn't

00:36:29.000 have

00:36:29.160 that

00:36:29.320 crazed

00:36:29.880 lunatic

00:36:30.380 look

00:36:30.760 like

00:36:30.940 you

00:36:31.040 look

00:36:31.160 at

00:36:31.300 Jeffrey

00:36:31.600 Dahmer 0.91

00:36:32.000 and

00:36:32.180 you're

00:36:32.300 like

00:36:32.500 yep

00:36:32.900 but

00:36:33.680 this

00:36:33.960 guy

00:36:34.240 doesn't

00:36:34.560 have

00:36:34.740 the

00:36:34.900 look

00:36:35.220 so

00:36:35.980 but

00:36:36.280 you

00:36:36.520 get

00:36:36.720 to

00:36:36.860 the

00:36:37.000 evidence

00:36:37.360 inside

00:36:37.780 the

00:36:37.940 hotel

00:36:38.340 room

00:36:38.720 and

00:36:39.560 this

00:36:39.820 is

00:36:39.960 March

00:36:40.200 30th

00:36:40.660 1981

00:36:41.680 the

00:36:42.360 day

00:36:42.480 that

00:36:42.620 President

00:36:42.880 Reagan

00:36:43.140 was

00:36:43.360 shot

00:36:43.640 the

00:36:44.360 letter

00:36:44.740 reads

00:36:46.260 as

00:36:46.420 follows

00:36:46.840 I

00:36:47.580 will

00:36:47.740 admit

00:36:48.040 to

00:36:49.220 you

00:36:49.520 that

00:36:49.840 the

00:36:49.980 reason

00:36:50.220 I'm

00:36:50.420 going

00:36:50.620 ahead

00:36:50.920 with

00:36:51.100 this

00:36:51.280 attempt

00:36:51.600 now

00:36:51.900 is

00:36:52.080 because

00:36:52.460 I

00:36:53.140 just

00:36:53.440 cannot

00:36:53.780 wait

00:36:54.060 any

00:36:54.280 longer

00:36:54.600 to

00:36:55.260 impress

00:36:55.760 you

00:36:56.060 I've

00:36:56.920 got

00:36:57.100 to

00:36:57.280 do

00:36:57.460 something

00:36:57.800 now

00:36:58.180 to

00:36:58.400 make

00:36:58.580 you

00:36:58.720 understand

00:36:59.220 in

00:36:59.420 no

00:36:59.600 uncertain

00:36:59.960 terms

00:37:00.420 that

00:37:00.980 I

00:37:01.100 am

00:37:01.240 doing

00:37:01.580 all

00:37:01.940 of

00:37:02.100 this

00:37:02.340 for

00:37:02.680 your

00:37:03.020 sake

00:37:03.480 and

00:37:04.220 it

00:37:04.360 ends

00:37:04.680 with

00:37:05.000 I'm

00:37:05.680 asking

00:37:06.100 you

00:37:06.320 to

00:37:06.460 please

00:37:06.940 look

00:37:07.320 into

00:37:07.520 your

00:37:07.740 heart

00:37:08.000 and

00:37:09.900 at

00:37:10.040 least

00:37:10.360 give

00:37:10.620 me

00:37:10.760 the

00:37:10.940 chance

00:37:11.320 with

00:37:11.620 this

00:37:11.880 historical

00:37:12.520 deed

00:37:13.040 to

00:37:13.680 gain

00:37:14.060 your

00:37:14.320 respect

00:37:14.900 and

00:37:15.280 love

00:37:15.740 I

00:37:16.480 love

00:37:16.800 you

00:37:16.980 forever

00:37:17.560 John

00:37:18.540 Hinckley

00:37:19.000 I

00:37:19.960 mean

00:37:20.100 your

00:37:20.340 heart

00:37:22.180 must have

00:37:22.560 dropped

00:37:22.820 when

00:37:22.980 you

00:37:23.080 read

00:37:23.300 that

00:37:23.480 like

00:37:23.720 that's

00:37:24.720 what

00:37:25.340 this

00:37:25.660 is

00:37:25.820 about

00:37:26.240 yes

00:37:29.080 and

00:37:29.980 and

00:37:30.360 then

00:37:30.640 as

00:37:31.840 I

00:37:32.040 said

00:37:32.380 to

00:37:32.480 you

00:37:32.580 before

00:37:32.840 we

00:37:33.020 were

00:37:33.140 sending

00:37:33.460 leads

00:37:33.880 to

00:37:34.080 Dallas

00:37:34.400 we

00:37:34.600 were

00:37:34.720 also

00:37:34.920 sending

00:37:35.260 leads

00:37:35.520 to

00:37:35.720 Denver

00:37:36.280 because

00:37:37.480 his

00:37:37.700 parents

00:37:38.200 lived

00:37:38.740 just

00:37:39.020 outside

00:37:39.500 Denver

00:37:39.900 in

00:37:40.140 Evergreen

00:37:40.540 Colorado

00:37:41.000 and

00:37:41.440 there

00:37:41.620 were

00:37:41.880 leads

00:37:42.680 out

00:37:42.920 there

00:37:43.160 to

00:37:43.320 be

00:37:43.460 done

00:37:43.760 and

00:37:44.380 now

00:37:44.660 we

00:37:44.900 have

00:37:45.340 Jodie

00:37:46.020 Forster

00:37:46.500 in

00:37:46.680 the

00:37:46.800 picture

00:37:47.140 she

00:37:47.940 at

00:37:48.140 this

00:37:48.340 time

00:37:48.580 was

00:37:48.740 an

00:37:48.900 undergraduate

00:37:49.440 at

00:37:50.120 Yale

00:37:50.420 University

00:37:51.040 so

00:37:51.780 we

00:37:51.960 immediately

00:37:52.380 sent

00:37:52.800 leads

00:37:53.300 to

00:37:53.480 New

00:37:53.640 Haven

00:37:53.920 for

00:37:54.160 the

00:37:54.300 agents

00:37:54.660 there

00:37:54.900 to

00:37:55.040 locate

00:37:55.420 and

00:37:55.620 interview

00:37:55.960 Jodie

00:37:56.340 Forster

00:37:56.860 which

00:37:57.440 they

00:37:57.660 did

00:37:58.100 that

00:37:58.980 evening

00:37:59.380 and

00:38:00.300 it

00:38:00.480 turns

00:38:00.800 out

00:38:01.160 Jodie

00:38:01.800 Forster

00:38:02.380 had

00:38:02.780 been

00:38:03.140 bothered

00:38:05.240 or

00:38:05.640 in a

00:38:06.500 manner

00:38:06.700 of

00:38:06.860 speaking

00:38:07.160 harassed

00:38:07.780 by

00:38:07.920 this

00:38:08.160 fellow

00:38:08.460 for

00:38:08.780 quite

00:38:09.500 some

00:38:09.820 time

00:38:10.280 and

00:38:11.060 she's

00:38:11.660 living

00:38:12.000 with

00:38:12.380 the

00:38:12.680 typical

00:38:13.800 undergraduate

00:38:14.780 college

00:38:15.280 thing

00:38:15.620 with

00:38:15.840 two

00:38:15.980 or

00:38:16.100 three

00:38:16.280 other

00:38:16.500 young

00:38:16.740 women 1.00

00:38:17.000 and

00:38:18.000 she

00:38:18.300 recorded

00:38:19.000 some

00:38:19.500 of

00:38:19.620 his

00:38:19.780 phone

00:38:20.220 calls

00:38:20.640 to

00:38:20.940 her

00:38:21.240 the

00:38:21.900 agents

00:38:22.320 in

00:38:22.560 New

00:38:22.720 Haven

00:38:23.260 she

00:38:23.680 gave

00:38:24.460 them

00:38:24.740 the

00:38:25.000 tapes

00:38:25.280 she

00:38:25.460 had

00:38:25.660 made

00:38:26.040 they

00:38:26.680 immediately

00:38:27.220 which

00:38:27.560 was

00:38:27.720 the

00:38:27.880 practice

00:38:28.320 with

00:38:28.620 evidence

00:38:29.060 they

00:38:29.580 make

00:38:29.840 what

00:38:29.980 they

00:38:30.120 call

00:38:30.340 a

00:38:30.520 duplicate

00:38:31.160 copy

00:38:31.880 and

00:38:32.080 we

00:38:32.280 work

00:38:32.600 from

00:38:32.800 the

00:38:32.960 duplicate

00:38:33.320 copy

00:38:33.960 we

00:38:34.140 don't

00:38:34.700 touch

00:38:35.040 the

00:38:35.240 original

00:38:35.640 again

00:38:36.120 that

00:38:36.960 evidence

00:38:37.420 so

00:38:38.180 they

00:38:38.400 sent

00:38:38.740 the

00:38:38.900 duplicate

00:38:39.280 and

00:38:39.580 the

00:38:39.720 original

00:38:40.200 to

00:38:41.680 the

00:38:41.980 Washington

00:38:42.420 field

00:38:42.800 office

00:38:43.460 immediately

00:38:44.080 because

00:38:44.460 we

00:38:44.680 were

00:38:44.840 the

00:38:45.040 office

00:38:45.940 running

00:38:46.300 the

00:38:46.520 case

00:38:46.840 the

00:38:47.100 office

00:38:47.640 of

00:38:47.840 origin

00:38:48.220 and

00:38:48.460 FBI

00:38:48.920 talk

00:38:49.360 and

00:38:50.920 what

00:38:51.100 was

00:38:51.200 kind

00:38:51.420 of

00:38:51.540 interesting

00:38:51.940 back

00:38:52.240 in

00:38:52.380 those

00:38:52.660 days

00:38:53.120 something

00:38:55.980 the

00:38:56.220 FBI

00:38:56.540 did

00:38:56.860 are

00:38:57.020 rather

00:38:57.400 irregular

00:38:57.940 some

00:38:58.300 people

00:38:58.560 would

00:38:58.720 say

00:38:58.920 but

00:38:59.080 to

00:38:59.240 get

00:38:59.420 evidence

00:38:59.780 from

00:38:59.980 one

00:39:00.160 end

00:39:00.300 of

00:39:00.400 the

00:39:00.520 country

00:39:00.800 to

00:39:01.020 the

00:39:01.140 other

00:39:01.360 the

00:39:02.000 agents

00:39:02.380 would

00:39:02.700 go

00:39:02.880 to

00:39:03.060 the

00:39:03.240 airport

00:39:03.600 and

00:39:04.420 the

00:39:04.540 next

00:39:04.820 nonstop

00:39:05.480 flight

00:39:05.860 going

00:39:06.160 from

00:39:06.360 New

00:39:06.540 Haven

00:39:06.760 to

00:39:06.960 Washington

00:39:07.320 DC

00:39:07.640 they'd

00:39:07.960 go

00:39:08.080 to

00:39:08.240 the

00:39:08.380 pilot

00:39:08.800 there

00:39:09.360 was

00:39:09.520 a

00:39:09.680 great

00:39:10.060 camaraderie

00:39:11.380 and

00:39:11.540 working

00:39:11.840 relationship

00:39:12.440 between

00:39:12.840 the

00:39:13.120 airline

00:39:13.540 pilots

00:39:14.100 and

00:39:14.700 the

00:39:14.860 FBI

00:39:15.300 because

00:39:15.820 they

00:39:16.000 had

00:39:16.140 been

00:39:16.300 training

00:39:16.620 together

00:39:17.080 for

00:39:17.400 airline

00:39:17.920 hijackings

00:39:18.680 and

00:39:18.840 things

00:39:19.140 they

00:39:19.820 would

00:39:20.020 entrust

00:39:20.520 to

00:39:20.720 the

00:39:20.980 captain

00:39:21.520 of

00:39:21.700 the

00:39:21.820 plane

00:39:22.240 this

00:39:22.980 evidence

00:39:23.440 and

00:39:23.960 when

00:39:24.100 the

00:39:24.260 plane

00:39:24.520 landed

00:39:25.000 the

00:39:25.440 captain

00:39:25.740 of

00:39:25.880 the

00:39:25.960 plane

00:39:26.180 would

00:39:26.360 hand

00:39:26.800 it

00:39:26.940 directly

00:39:27.300 to

00:39:27.500 an

00:39:27.640 agent

00:39:27.880 in

00:39:28.060 Washington

00:39:28.380 field

00:39:28.820 so

00:39:29.440 this

00:39:29.680 is

00:39:30.040 in

00:39:30.180 the

00:39:30.300 days

00:39:30.560 before

00:39:30.940 FedEx

00:39:31.500 this

00:39:31.760 is

00:39:31.900 what

00:39:32.060 we

00:39:32.200 did

00:39:32.440 this

00:39:32.700 is

00:39:32.820 how

00:39:32.940 we

00:39:33.060 got

00:39:33.240 evidence

00:39:33.620 around

00:39:33.880 the

00:39:34.080 country

00:39:34.420 so

00:39:35.040 the

00:39:35.160 very

00:39:35.400 next

00:39:35.740 morning

00:39:36.200 in

00:39:36.640 our

00:39:37.180 day

00:39:37.980 after

00:39:38.300 the

00:39:38.520 shooting

00:39:38.800 we

00:39:39.420 had

00:39:39.640 that

00:39:39.860 tape

00:39:40.220 and

00:39:40.400 we're

00:39:40.980 playing

00:39:41.320 it

00:39:41.500 the

00:39:41.720 duplicate

00:39:42.100 copy

00:39:42.540 on

00:39:42.820 the

00:39:42.980 desk

00:39:43.440 there

00:39:43.720 and

00:39:44.300 we

00:39:44.440 hear

00:39:44.620 the

00:39:44.780 conversation

00:39:45.500 and

00:39:45.900 we

00:39:46.640 can

00:39:46.820 hear

00:39:47.040 her

00:39:47.260 voice

00:39:47.560 very

00:39:47.800 distinctly

00:39:48.620 of

00:39:48.840 course

00:39:49.140 and

00:39:49.580 we

00:39:49.680 hear

00:39:49.900 his

00:39:50.120 voice

00:39:50.420 faintly

00:39:50.880 in

00:39:51.000 the

00:39:51.120 background

00:39:51.640 and

00:39:52.280 she's

00:39:52.700 saying

00:39:52.920 to

00:39:53.060 him

00:39:53.220 wait

00:39:53.800 wait

00:39:54.120 wait

00:39:54.520 wait

00:39:54.800 let me

00:39:55.540 pause

00:39:55.800 it

00:39:55.940 there

00:39:56.160 let's

00:39:56.840 build

00:39:57.020 up

00:39:57.180 to

00:39:57.300 that

00:39:57.500 because

00:39:58.380 before

00:39:58.840 we

00:39:58.980 get

00:39:59.080 to

00:39:59.160 the

00:39:59.260 tape

00:39:59.420 which

00:40:05.740 this

00:40:05.960 point

00:40:06.120 now

00:40:06.320 we

00:40:06.740 know

00:40:06.920 her

00:40:07.060 as

00:40:07.220 an

00:40:07.340 adult

00:40:07.560 woman 0.99

00:40:07.860 but

00:40:08.120 she

00:40:08.640 was

00:40:08.840 a

00:40:09.120 teenager

00:40:09.640 at

00:40:09.900 the

00:40:10.000 time

00:40:10.240 this

00:40:10.380 was

00:40:10.520 happening

00:40:10.860 to

00:40:11.060 her

00:40:11.300 and

00:40:11.940 this

00:40:12.240 rooted

00:40:12.700 in

00:40:13.800 part

00:40:14.240 in

00:40:14.500 her

00:40:14.940 award

00:40:15.960 winning

00:40:16.300 role

00:40:16.740 in

00:40:17.100 Taxi

00:40:17.800 Driver

00:40:18.200 in

00:40:19.080 which

00:40:19.440 she

00:40:19.940 played

00:40:20.300 the

00:40:20.480 part

00:40:20.740 of

00:40:20.980 a

00:40:21.140 12

00:40:21.500 year

00:40:21.680 old

00:40:21.960 prostitute

00:40:22.840 named

00:40:23.180 Iris

00:40:23.760 the

00:40:25.540 Robert

00:40:26.160 De Niro

00:40:26.520 played

00:40:27.400 the

00:40:27.960 taxi

00:40:28.380 driver

00:40:28.820 named

00:40:29.440 Travis

00:40:29.880 Bickle 1.00

00:40:30.360 and

00:40:31.280 John

00:40:31.780 Hinckley

00:40:32.100 Jr.

00:40:32.480 became

00:40:33.140 obsessed

00:40:34.040 with

00:40:34.580 this

00:40:34.980 movie

00:40:35.340 he

00:40:36.080 watched

00:40:36.540 it

00:40:36.780 some

00:40:37.280 15

00:40:37.760 times

00:40:38.220 at

00:40:38.420 least

00:40:38.700 this

00:40:38.920 is

00:40:39.040 back

00:40:39.220 before

00:40:39.440 you

00:40:39.540 could

00:40:39.620 just

00:40:39.760 download

00:40:40.060 it

00:40:40.220 on

00:40:40.320 your

00:40:40.480 living

00:40:40.980 room

00:40:41.220 TV

00:40:41.500 you

00:40:41.700 had

00:40:41.800 to

00:40:41.880 go

00:40:41.980 to

00:40:42.080 the

00:40:42.200 theater

00:40:42.440 back

00:40:42.680 then

00:40:42.940 and

00:40:44.020 he

00:40:44.920 began

00:40:45.400 dressing

00:40:46.020 just

00:40:46.680 like

00:40:46.980 this

00:40:47.300 fictional

00:40:47.860 character

00:40:48.260 Travis

00:40:48.660 Bickle 1.00

00:40:49.060 army

00:40:50.280 fatigues

00:40:50.980 drinking

00:40:51.480 peach

00:40:51.920 brandy

00:40:52.520 which

00:40:52.780 is

00:40:53.260 the

00:40:53.760 drink

00:40:53.960 of

00:40:54.080 choice

00:40:54.380 of

00:40:54.620 the

00:40:54.960 De Niro

00:40:55.220 character

00:40:55.700 he

00:40:56.200 became

00:40:56.460 obsessed

00:40:56.840 with

00:40:57.060 assassinations

00:40:58.000 and

00:40:58.340 guns

00:40:58.800 like

00:40:59.120 Bickle 1.00

00:40:59.520 and

00:41:00.300 most

00:41:00.600 importantly

00:41:01.080 he

00:41:01.360 became

00:41:01.760 obsessed

00:41:02.240 with

00:41:02.980 Jodie

00:41:03.420 Foster

00:41:03.960 I'm

00:41:19.100 standing

00:41:19.420 here

00:41:19.720 you

00:41:20.120 make

00:41:20.340 the

00:41:20.460 move

00:41:20.720 it's

00:41:23.780 your

00:41:23.900 move

00:41:24.260 I'm

00:41:28.480 trying

00:41:28.780 you

00:41:29.040 and

00:41:32.480 so

00:41:32.600 why

00:41:32.760 don't

00:41:32.840 you

00:41:32.960 give

00:41:33.140 us

00:41:33.260 some

00:41:33.440 background

00:41:33.720 on

00:41:33.960 what

00:41:34.240 his

00:41:35.000 initial

00:41:35.540 behavior

00:41:36.700 toward

00:41:37.460 Jodie

00:41:37.900 Foster

00:41:38.300 prior

00:41:38.860 to

00:41:39.080 the

00:41:39.240 time

00:41:39.900 he

00:41:40.060 was

00:41:40.260 calling

00:41:40.980 her

00:41:41.140 directly

00:41:41.480 at

00:41:41.700 Yale

00:41:41.920 well

00:41:43.000 our

00:41:43.580 investigation

00:41:44.080 after

00:41:44.620 that

00:41:44.860 initial

00:41:45.200 day

00:41:45.600 determined

00:41:46.500 exactly

00:41:47.300 everything

00:41:47.660 you just

00:41:48.340 related

00:41:48.760 that he

00:41:49.200 was

00:41:49.460 obsessed

00:41:49.880 with

00:41:50.080 this

00:41:50.280 character

00:41:50.880 and

00:41:51.440 obsessed

00:41:51.820 with

00:41:52.120 the

00:41:52.560 young

00:41:52.720 woman 0.99

00:41:52.940 Jodie

00:41:53.240 Foster

00:41:53.620 who

00:41:54.420 was

00:41:54.760 a

00:41:55.200 young

00:41:55.480 genuine

00:41:56.200 young

00:41:56.580 woman 0.99

00:41:56.860 at this

00:41:57.240 time

00:41:57.560 the

00:41:58.700 agents

00:41:59.160 interviewed

00:41:59.680 her

00:41:59.960 in

00:42:00.180 New

00:42:00.340 Haven

00:42:00.640 and

00:42:00.920 she

00:42:01.440 had

00:42:01.620 been

00:42:01.760 getting

00:42:01.980 these

00:42:02.260 calls

00:42:02.580 from

00:42:02.860 him

00:42:03.000 and

00:42:03.160 you

00:42:03.280 hear

00:42:03.560 her

00:42:03.760 on

00:42:03.940 the

00:42:04.100 tape

00:42:04.400 saying

00:42:05.200 to

00:42:05.440 him

00:42:05.600 you

00:42:05.780 shouldn't

00:42:06.160 call

00:42:06.440 me

00:42:06.600 like

00:42:06.880 this

00:42:07.260 this

00:42:08.120 isn't

00:42:08.440 right

00:42:08.820 but

00:42:09.560 she

00:42:09.720 stayed

00:42:10.060 on

00:42:10.280 the

00:42:10.440 phone

00:42:10.700 with

00:42:10.920 him

00:42:11.140 very

00:42:11.600 mannerly

00:42:12.240 very

00:42:12.940 politely

00:42:13.440 asking

00:42:14.080 him

00:42:14.360 to

00:42:14.580 not

00:42:15.080 call

00:42:15.440 her

00:42:15.600 again

00:42:15.980 whereas

00:42:16.740 by

00:42:18.440 this

00:42:18.700 time

00:42:19.020 I

00:42:20.440 was

00:42:21.320 a

00:42:21.460 married

00:42:21.700 man

00:42:22.020 I

00:42:22.140 had

00:42:22.320 two

00:42:22.680 young

00:42:22.960 daughters

00:42:23.380 and

00:42:24.700 so

00:42:25.700 with

00:42:26.000 many

00:42:26.440 of

00:42:26.580 other

00:42:26.860 agents

00:42:27.220 around

00:42:27.480 the

00:42:27.660 table

00:42:27.960 listening

00:42:28.340 to

00:42:28.540 the

00:42:28.720 tape

00:42:29.000 and

00:42:29.160 we

00:42:29.340 all

00:42:29.680 would

00:42:30.400 tell

00:42:30.620 our

00:42:30.840 wives

00:42:31.260 and

00:42:31.440 our

00:42:31.620 daughters

00:42:31.920 if

00:42:32.240 you

00:42:32.380 get

00:42:32.560 a

00:42:32.720 nut

00:42:32.940 calls

00:42:33.360 you

00:42:33.500 on

00:42:33.680 the

00:42:33.840 phone

00:42:34.100 you

00:42:34.260 don't

00:42:34.520 stay

00:42:34.740 on

00:42:34.920 the

00:42:35.060 phone

00:42:35.380 with

00:42:35.980 this

00:42:36.200 person

00:42:36.520 you

00:42:36.680 hang

00:42:36.940 up

00:42:37.140 immediately

00:42:37.680 and

00:42:38.700 we

00:42:39.000 found

00:42:39.500 ourselves

00:42:40.000 listening

00:42:40.420 to

00:42:40.660 Jody

00:42:40.960 Forster

00:42:41.480 talking

00:42:41.900 to

00:42:42.080 this

00:42:42.280 guy

00:42:42.560 we

00:42:43.200 were

00:42:43.360 so

00:42:43.640 emotionally

00:42:44.100 involved

00:42:44.540 in

00:42:44.680 ourselves

00:42:45.100 we

00:42:45.420 started

00:42:45.800 yelling

00:42:46.140 at

00:42:46.380 the

00:42:46.520 tape

00:42:46.840 hang

00:42:47.340 up

00:42:47.840 hang

00:42:48.120 up

00:42:48.620 hang

00:42:49.400 up

00:42:49.620 on

00:42:49.820 him

00:42:50.400 so

00:42:51.420 but

00:42:51.920 she

00:42:52.040 didn't

00:42:52.820 she

00:42:53.320 was

00:42:53.480 very

00:42:53.680 polite

00:42:54.060 well

00:42:54.720 it's

00:42:54.860 amazing

00:42:55.260 that

00:42:55.500 she

00:42:55.680 didn't

00:42:56.480 not

00:42:56.920 judging

00:42:57.280 Jodie

00:42:57.580 Foster

00:42:57.880 but

00:42:58.020 it's

00:42:58.140 just

00:42:58.260 kind

00:42:58.400 of

00:42:58.480 amazing

00:42:58.740 that

00:42:58.920 she

00:42:59.060 didn't

00:42:59.340 know

00:42:59.520 that

00:42:59.700 because

00:42:59.940 she

00:43:00.100 was

00:43:00.260 a

00:43:00.400 huge

00:43:00.620 star

00:43:01.060 so

00:43:01.580 you

00:43:01.680 just

00:43:01.820 kind

00:43:02.040 of

00:43:02.140 think

00:43:02.340 these

00:43:02.540 Hollywood

00:43:02.880 actors

00:43:03.320 and

00:43:03.480 actresses

00:43:04.020 have

00:43:04.600 some

00:43:04.780 sort

00:43:04.920 of

00:43:05.020 training

00:43:05.380 or

00:43:05.740 you

00:43:05.900 know

00:43:05.980 somebody

00:43:06.300 sits

00:43:06.580 you

00:43:06.680 down

00:43:06.920 at

00:43:07.060 some

00:43:07.220 point

00:43:07.420 and

00:43:07.500 says

00:43:07.620 okay

00:43:07.820 now

00:43:08.000 you're

00:43:08.140 a huge

00:43:08.340 star

00:43:08.580 here's

00:43:08.820 what

00:43:08.940 you

00:43:09.020 should

00:43:09.160 do

00:43:09.300 and

00:43:09.420 shouldn't

00:43:09.640 do

00:43:09.800 with

00:43:10.040 crazed

00:43:10.720 stalkers

00:43:11.540 who

00:43:12.080 are

00:43:12.220 bothering

00:43:12.620 you

00:43:13.180 the

00:43:14.600 poor

00:43:15.020 woman 0.99

00:43:15.320 was

00:43:15.520 put

00:43:15.740 in

00:43:15.820 the

00:43:15.920 most

00:43:16.060 difficult

00:43:16.340 position

00:43:16.780 possible

00:43:17.880 so

00:43:18.600 just

00:43:19.440 by way

00:43:19.840 of

00:43:19.980 background

00:43:20.320 before

00:43:20.740 that

00:43:21.020 moment

00:43:21.360 he

00:43:21.600 was

00:43:21.880 writing

00:43:22.260 to

00:43:22.540 her

00:43:22.840 he

00:43:23.540 was

00:43:23.840 obsessed

00:43:24.260 with

00:43:24.480 her

00:43:24.760 she

00:43:25.460 was

00:43:26.020 again

00:43:26.600 young

00:43:27.260 and

00:43:27.500 not

00:43:27.700 yet

00:43:27.940 at

00:43:28.100 Yale

00:43:28.340 I think

00:43:28.660 when

00:43:28.800 this

00:43:28.980 began

00:43:29.400 but

00:43:30.180 here's

00:43:31.240 at least

00:43:31.620 a couple

00:43:32.300 of

00:43:33.060 examples

00:43:34.020 he wrote

00:43:34.540 to her

00:43:35.020 a letter

00:43:35.580 March

00:43:36.440 6th

00:43:36.900 again

00:43:37.120 the

00:43:37.640 assassination

00:43:38.020 attempt

00:43:38.900 was

00:43:39.100 March

00:43:39.320 30th

00:43:39.780 1981

00:43:40.180 and

00:43:41.360 okay

00:43:42.260 let's

00:43:42.500 see

00:43:42.660 he wrote

00:43:43.340 dozens

00:43:43.680 of poems

00:43:44.260 letters

00:43:44.640 and messages

00:43:45.360 to her

00:43:45.880 they did

00:43:46.980 speak

00:43:47.240 two times

00:43:47.660 over the

00:43:47.960 phone

00:43:48.240 he tape

00:43:49.320 recorded

00:43:49.620 the

00:43:49.800 conversations

00:43:50.380 with

00:43:51.320 the

00:43:51.600 then

00:43:51.820 18

00:43:52.260 year

00:43:52.420 old

00:43:52.600 Jodie

00:43:52.840 Foster

00:43:53.200 he

00:43:53.500 called

00:43:53.800 her

00:43:53.960 dorm

00:43:54.280 room

00:43:54.460 when she

00:43:54.680 got

00:43:54.840 to

00:43:55.020 Yale

00:43:55.280 at

00:43:55.520 least

00:43:55.720 five

00:43:56.020 times

00:43:56.460 in

00:43:57.180 the

00:43:57.300 first

00:43:57.520 phone

00:43:57.740 call

00:43:57.920 he

00:43:58.080 introduced

00:43:58.360 himself

00:43:58.760 saying

00:43:59.120 this

00:43:59.400 is

00:43:59.520 the

00:43:59.660 person

00:43:59.960 that's

00:44:00.200 been

00:44:00.320 leaving

00:44:00.560 notes

00:44:00.880 in

00:44:01.040 your

00:44:01.160 box

00:44:01.420 for

00:44:01.580 two

00:44:01.780 days

00:44:02.220 he

00:44:04.140 sent

00:44:04.860 her

00:44:05.140 a

00:44:05.720 letter

00:44:06.020 at

00:44:07.440 1am

00:44:08.120 I guess

00:44:08.560 that he

00:44:08.760 dropped

00:44:08.980 off

00:44:09.240 that read

00:44:09.620 Jodie Foster

00:44:10.360 love

00:44:11.080 just

00:44:11.860 wait

00:44:12.280 I'll

00:44:12.780 rescue

00:44:13.160 you

00:44:13.420 very

00:44:13.800 soon

00:44:14.360 please

00:44:14.900 cooperate

00:44:15.800 JWH

00:44:17.060 and

00:44:18.120 indeed

00:44:18.400 there was

00:44:18.880 this

00:44:19.100 phone

00:44:19.380 call

00:44:19.760 which

00:44:20.460 she

00:44:20.940 taped

00:44:21.440 right

00:44:21.880 around

00:44:22.200 there

00:44:22.520 and

00:44:23.040 here's

00:44:23.460 what

00:44:24.020 we

00:44:24.200 have

00:44:24.560 of

00:44:25.240 that

00:44:25.440 this

00:44:25.620 is

00:44:25.760 Sot

00:44:25.940 one

00:44:26.180 Oh no

00:44:31.520 what is

00:44:32.000 this

00:44:32.360 who

00:44:34.040 is

00:44:34.300 this

00:44:34.780 I

00:44:36.580 know

00:44:37.080 oh no

00:44:39.060 not you

00:44:39.640 again

00:44:40.320 look I

00:44:42.140 really can't

00:44:42.660 talk to you

00:44:43.060 okay

00:44:43.320 but do

00:44:44.720 me a

00:44:45.560 really big

00:44:46.080 favor

00:44:46.460 you understand

00:44:48.440 why I

00:44:48.920 can't you

00:44:49.320 know

00:44:49.460 carry on

00:44:49.900 these

00:44:50.040 conversations

00:44:50.520 with people

00:44:50.880 I don't

00:44:51.160 know

00:44:51.420 you

00:44:51.600 understand

00:44:51.940 it's

00:44:52.240 dangerous

00:44:52.620 and

00:44:53.060 it's

00:44:53.460 not

00:44:53.780 fair

00:44:54.840 it's

00:44:55.240 rude

00:44:55.600 oh

00:44:56.100 all right

00:44:56.580 well I

00:44:58.600 understand

00:44:59.000 that

00:44:59.220 it's

00:44:59.800 the same

00:45:00.560 thing

00:45:00.880 okay

00:45:01.660 so you

00:45:02.900 just

00:45:03.080 don't

00:45:03.300 ever

00:45:03.540 want

00:45:03.720 to

00:45:03.840 call

00:45:04.200 no

00:45:05.020 but

00:45:05.560 really

00:45:05.900 nice

00:45:06.240 pardon

00:45:06.560 you

00:45:06.760 that's

00:45:10.660 the call

00:45:11.020 that was

00:45:11.320 driving

00:45:11.580 you

00:45:11.740 nuts

00:45:12.040 yes

00:45:15.100 yeah

00:45:16.880 I mean

00:45:17.240 she

00:45:17.460 that's

00:45:17.780 it goes

00:45:17.980 on

00:45:18.140 she's

00:45:18.380 trying

00:45:18.620 to

00:45:18.780 reason

00:45:19.120 with

00:45:19.360 him

00:45:19.600 and

00:45:19.780 you

00:45:19.920 can't

00:45:20.280 reason

00:45:20.600 with

00:45:21.220 somebody

00:45:21.520 who's

00:45:21.760 not

00:45:22.000 mentally

00:45:22.360 well

00:45:22.800 and

00:45:23.300 those

00:45:23.480 pictures

00:45:23.780 make him

00:45:24.220 look

00:45:24.440 absolutely

00:45:24.920 deranged

00:45:25.500 as you

00:45:25.820 get

00:45:25.960 other

00:45:26.260 shots

00:45:26.580 of

00:45:26.720 John

00:45:26.940 Hinkley

00:45:27.200 Jr

00:45:27.540 so you

00:45:28.940 guys

00:45:29.160 are

00:45:29.280 thinking

00:45:29.540 oh

00:45:29.840 my

00:45:29.980 god

00:45:30.160 why

00:45:30.320 is

00:45:30.420 she

00:45:30.520 talking

00:45:30.820 to

00:45:31.000 him

00:45:31.180 then

00:45:31.720 there

00:45:31.840 was

00:45:31.980 another

00:45:32.260 letter

00:45:32.580 put

00:45:32.840 under

00:45:33.040 her

00:45:33.240 dorm

00:45:33.540 room

00:45:33.840 from

00:45:34.400 the

00:45:34.560 same

00:45:34.780 date

00:45:35.020 March

00:45:35.280 6

00:45:35.560 1981

00:45:36.040 that

00:45:36.700 read

00:45:37.080 Jody

00:45:37.840 goodbye

00:45:38.600 exclamation

00:45:39.380 point

00:45:39.740 I

00:45:40.260 love

00:45:40.580 you

00:45:40.740 six

00:45:41.060 trillion

00:45:41.480 times

00:45:42.060 don't

00:45:42.680 you

00:45:42.800 maybe

00:45:43.040 like

00:45:43.360 me

00:45:43.480 just

00:45:43.700 a

00:45:43.860 little

00:45:44.000 bit

00:45:44.340 you

00:45:44.820 must

00:45:45.080 admit

00:45:45.380 I

00:45:45.620 am

00:45:45.760 different

00:45:46.120 it

00:45:46.740 would

00:45:46.900 make

00:45:47.160 it

00:45:47.300 it

00:45:47.680 would

00:45:47.800 make

00:45:47.960 all

00:45:48.200 this

00:45:48.400 worthwhile

00:45:49.080 John

00:45:50.020 Hinkley

00:45:50.460 of

00:45:50.740 course

00:45:51.080 so

00:45:57.540 as far

00:45:59.820 as I

00:46:00.120 know

00:46:00.300 not

00:46:00.680 until

00:46:00.960 the

00:46:01.160 agents

00:46:01.620 went up

00:46:02.220 and

00:46:02.340 interviewed

00:46:02.660 her

00:46:02.940 that

00:46:03.180 that

00:46:03.600 day

00:46:03.840 we

00:46:04.700 know

00:46:05.140 so

00:46:05.280 much

00:46:05.400 more

00:46:05.740 now

00:46:06.040 about

00:46:06.280 stalking

00:46:07.040 and

00:46:07.180 how

00:46:07.340 dangerous

00:46:07.820 it

00:46:08.140 is

00:46:08.520 I

00:46:09.780 mean

00:46:09.900 I'm

00:46:10.040 sure

00:46:10.340 this

00:46:10.940 would

00:46:11.060 be

00:46:11.180 handled

00:46:11.380 very

00:46:11.620 differently

00:46:11.980 then

00:46:12.560 comes

00:46:13.300 March

00:46:13.580 30th

00:46:14.040 and

00:46:14.140 the

00:46:14.260 attempted

00:46:14.580 assassination

00:46:15.140 and

00:46:15.980 the

00:46:16.140 letter

00:46:16.320 that

00:46:16.520 I

00:46:16.640 just

00:46:16.840 read

00:46:17.100 that

00:46:17.240 you

00:46:17.380 found

00:46:17.600 in

00:46:17.720 his

00:46:17.900 room

00:46:18.160 but

00:46:18.680 is

00:46:18.820 it

00:46:18.960 true

00:46:19.240 that

00:46:19.520 at

00:46:20.300 least

00:46:20.780 at

00:46:20.960 some

00:46:21.220 portion

00:46:21.720 along

00:46:22.240 this

00:46:22.440 buildup

00:46:23.000 he

00:46:23.660 was

00:46:23.840 planning

00:46:24.120 on

00:46:24.360 killing

00:46:24.720 her

00:46:25.400 well

00:46:27.540 we

00:46:28.180 wondered

00:46:29.020 about

00:46:29.400 that

00:46:29.780 the

00:46:30.220 other

00:46:30.420 thing

00:46:30.740 what

00:46:31.000 well

00:46:32.420 well

00:46:32.840 two

00:46:33.040 things

00:46:33.380 we

00:46:33.680 wanted

00:46:34.080 once

00:46:35.160 again

00:46:35.380 this

00:46:35.680 concern

00:46:36.100 about

00:46:36.420 the

00:46:36.940 Kennedy

00:46:37.220 assassination

00:46:37.860 and

00:46:38.320 all

00:46:38.520 the

00:46:38.760 conspiracy

00:46:39.600 theories

00:46:40.160 that

00:46:40.420 came up

00:46:40.880 after

00:46:41.160 that

00:46:41.580 so

00:46:42.220 we

00:46:42.380 wanted

00:46:42.600 to

00:46:42.820 find

00:46:43.060 out

00:46:43.320 what

00:46:43.720 he

00:46:43.860 had

00:46:44.000 been

00:46:44.160 up

00:46:44.320 to

00:46:44.480 before

00:46:44.920 this

00:46:45.340 was

00:46:46.300 anybody

00:46:46.640 working

00:46:47.140 with

00:46:47.600 him

00:46:47.840 and

00:46:48.200 what

00:46:48.380 else

00:46:48.580 he

00:46:48.700 had

00:46:48.860 planned

00:46:49.260 so

00:46:49.580 in

00:46:49.800 the

00:46:50.160 following

00:46:50.920 weeks

00:46:51.460 it

00:46:51.600 was

00:46:51.720 quite

00:46:51.960 a

00:46:52.100 major

00:46:52.360 investigation

00:46:52.900 actually

00:46:53.580 even

00:46:53.920 though

00:46:54.340 to

00:46:55.020 the

00:46:55.180 general

00:46:55.460 public

00:46:55.900 probably

00:46:56.520 thought

00:46:56.760 the

00:46:56.960 case

00:46:57.200 was

00:46:57.380 solved

00:46:57.800 guy

00:46:58.760 who

00:46:58.940 did

00:46:59.140 it

00:46:59.260 has

00:46:59.420 been

00:46:59.580 arrested

00:47:00.000 but

00:47:01.620 we

00:47:02.120 wanted

00:47:02.340 to

00:47:02.540 retrace 1.00

00:47:03.060 his

00:47:03.260 steps

00:47:03.600 and

00:47:03.780 that's

00:47:03.980 what

00:47:04.100 we

00:47:04.240 did

00:47:04.440 and

00:47:04.540 we

00:47:04.660 found

00:47:04.960 out

00:47:05.180 that

00:47:05.340 he

00:47:05.480 had

00:47:05.620 actually

00:47:05.940 been

00:47:06.160 stalking

00:47:06.880 even

00:47:07.760 before

00:47:08.240 the

00:47:08.440 election

00:47:08.920 or

00:47:09.400 during

00:47:09.860 the

00:47:10.100 election

00:47:10.480 but

00:47:10.760 before

00:47:11.240 Reagan

00:47:12.160 became

00:47:12.560 president

00:47:13.040 he

00:47:13.640 had

00:47:13.780 been

00:47:13.960 stalking

00:47:14.420 the

00:47:14.580 previous

00:47:14.920 president

00:47:15.380 Jimmy

00:47:15.720 Carter

00:47:16.140 and

00:47:16.700 he

00:47:16.800 got

00:47:16.980 quite

00:47:17.280 close

00:47:17.660 to

00:47:17.820 him

00:47:17.940 a

00:47:18.060 couple

00:47:18.260 of

00:47:18.420 times

00:47:18.880 we

00:47:19.580 also

00:47:19.880 found

00:47:20.220 out

00:47:20.380 he

00:47:20.460 had

00:47:20.580 gone

00:47:20.740 to

00:47:20.960 fire

00:47:21.240 was that

00:47:23.000 about

00:47:23.200 Jodie Foster

00:47:23.660 or was that

00:47:23.980 that was

00:47:24.240 just about

00:47:24.600 Carter

00:47:24.900 that was

00:47:26.000 that was

00:47:26.620 he wanted

00:47:27.220 to do

00:47:27.660 a historical

00:47:28.540 act

00:47:29.060 so his

00:47:30.080 motivation

00:47:30.880 was not

00:47:31.380 in any

00:47:31.700 way

00:47:31.840 political

00:47:32.280 it

00:47:32.500 didn't

00:47:32.740 matter

00:47:32.960 to him

00:47:33.320 whether

00:47:33.520 he

00:47:33.720 shot

00:47:33.960 Carter

00:47:34.580 or

00:47:34.780 shot

00:47:35.040 Reagan

00:47:35.400 he

00:47:35.960 wanted

00:47:36.200 to

00:47:36.380 do

00:47:36.540 something

00:47:36.880 but

00:47:37.080 it

00:47:37.180 just

00:47:37.360 never

00:47:37.640 worked

00:47:37.980 out

00:47:38.180 he

00:47:38.300 never

00:47:38.500 got

00:47:38.720 close

00:47:39.100 enough

00:47:39.440 but

00:47:40.080 to

00:47:40.580 impress

00:47:41.320 Foster

00:47:41.800 even

00:47:42.240 with

00:47:42.600 respect

00:47:42.860 to

00:47:43.060 Carter

00:47:43.320 was it

00:47:43.700 still

00:47:43.880 about

00:47:44.080 her

00:47:44.280 yes

00:47:44.460 that's

00:47:45.540 what

00:47:45.660 we

00:47:45.840 believe

00:47:46.900 that

00:47:47.800 was

00:47:48.280 part

00:47:48.640 of

00:47:48.760 his

00:47:49.020 motivation

00:47:50.520 the

00:47:50.820 other

00:47:51.040 thing

00:47:51.480 we

00:47:52.040 in

00:47:52.560 retracing

00:47:53.640 part

00:47:54.620 of

00:47:54.740 retracing

00:47:55.280 the

00:47:55.480 steps

00:47:55.780 trying

00:47:56.120 to

00:47:56.300 find

00:47:56.580 out

00:47:56.740 if

00:47:56.860 he

00:47:56.980 had

00:47:57.140 any

00:47:57.440 co-conspirators

00:47:59.740 which

00:47:59.980 he did

00:48:00.300 not

00:48:00.720 we're

00:48:01.720 all

00:48:01.940 satisfied

00:48:02.800 he

00:48:03.080 was

00:48:03.280 totally

00:48:03.740 a

00:48:03.940 loner

00:48:04.260 but

00:48:05.220 we

00:48:05.580 were

00:48:05.740 also

00:48:05.980 concerned

00:48:06.660 literally

00:48:07.260 about

00:48:07.800 him

00:48:08.300 if

00:48:08.880 you

00:48:08.960 remember

00:48:09.280 the

00:48:09.480 Kennedy

00:48:09.780 assassination

00:48:10.440 one

00:48:10.980 of

00:48:11.080 the

00:48:11.200 real

00:48:11.580 disgraceful

00:48:12.280 things

00:48:12.560 about

00:48:12.820 it

00:48:12.960 was

00:48:13.320 that

00:48:14.000 through

00:48:14.440 mishandling

00:48:15.320 by law

00:48:15.840 enforcement

00:48:16.440 this

00:48:17.400 fellow

00:48:17.680 Jack

00:48:18.020 Ruby

00:48:18.360 was

00:48:18.640 able

00:48:18.900 to

00:48:19.120 get

00:48:19.340 close

00:48:19.780 to

00:48:20.520 Lee

00:48:22.040 Harvey

00:48:22.300 Oswald

00:48:22.840 the

00:48:23.060 assassin

00:48:23.520 of

00:48:23.880 President

00:48:24.760 Kennedy

00:48:25.260 and

00:48:25.560 kill

00:48:25.860 him

00:48:26.180 right

00:48:26.540 on

00:48:26.720 national

00:48:27.160 television

00:48:27.760 we

00:48:28.540 didn't

00:48:28.700 want

00:48:28.900 anything

00:48:29.160 like

00:48:29.440 that

00:48:29.660 to

00:48:29.820 happen

00:48:30.120 so

00:48:30.300 we

00:48:30.420 were

00:48:30.500 very

00:48:30.700 concerned

00:48:31.240 routinely

00:48:32.400 what

00:48:32.780 would

00:48:32.980 have

00:48:33.120 happened

00:48:33.480 to

00:48:33.720 a

00:48:33.940 federal

00:48:34.260 prisoner

00:48:34.960 criminal

00:48:36.120 prisoner

00:48:36.560 in

00:48:36.900 Washington

00:48:37.320 D.C.

00:48:37.720 in those

00:48:38.080 days

00:48:38.340 he

00:48:38.740 would

00:48:38.920 have

00:48:39.040 been

00:48:39.180 in

00:48:39.320 the

00:48:39.460 D.C.

00:48:40.000 jail

00:48:40.360 which

00:48:41.320 then

00:48:42.040 was

00:48:44.040 considered

00:48:44.700 not a

00:48:45.040 very

00:48:45.220 safe

00:48:45.540 place

00:48:46.060 and

00:48:46.680 here's

00:48:47.160 John

00:48:49.040 Hinckley

00:48:49.400 who

00:48:49.620 you

00:48:49.940 even

00:48:50.200 see

00:48:50.460 in

00:48:50.560 the

00:48:50.680 pictures

00:48:50.960 of him

00:48:51.340 to

00:48:51.520 be

00:48:52.360 fair

00:48:52.800 is

00:48:53.020 a

00:48:53.160 very

00:48:53.360 soft

00:48:53.960 individual

00:48:54.620 I'll

00:48:54.920 characterize

00:48:55.340 him

00:48:55.680 that

00:48:55.920 way

00:48:56.180 and

00:48:56.900 if

00:48:57.040 we

00:48:57.220 had

00:48:57.420 committed

00:48:58.060 him

00:48:58.520 which

00:48:58.960 would

00:48:59.340 have

00:48:59.440 been

00:48:59.540 the

00:48:59.700 routine

00:49:00.060 thing

00:49:00.320 to

00:49:00.520 do

00:49:00.880 overnight

00:49:01.560 to

00:49:01.880 the

00:49:02.020 D.C.

00:49:02.500 jail

00:49:02.840 he

00:49:04.040 would

00:49:04.220 have

00:49:04.320 been

00:49:04.440 in

00:49:04.580 very

00:49:04.760 bad

00:49:05.080 shape

00:49:05.380 the

00:49:05.560 next

00:49:05.760 day

00:49:06.140 if

00:49:08.080 he

00:49:08.260 was

00:49:08.740 even

00:49:08.960 alive

00:49:09.540 so

00:49:10.360 we

00:49:10.540 didn't

00:49:10.760 want

00:49:10.980 anything

00:49:11.200 what was

00:49:11.380 he

00:49:11.460 like

00:49:11.700 was

00:49:12.100 he

00:49:12.240 talking

00:49:12.560 crazy

00:49:13.160 did

00:49:13.440 he

00:49:13.560 seem

00:49:13.800 crazy

00:49:14.320 no

00:49:15.320 he

00:49:15.620 was

00:49:16.000 very

00:49:16.240 impassive

00:49:17.160 and

00:49:18.000 that's

00:49:18.380 I only

00:49:18.860 got to

00:49:19.180 see him

00:49:19.480 once

00:49:19.800 and that

00:49:20.040 was

00:49:20.220 actually

00:49:21.340 a day

00:49:21.680 later

00:49:22.020 at his

00:49:22.340 arraignment

00:49:22.720 and

00:49:23.440 it

00:49:23.560 was

00:49:23.720 just

00:49:23.900 like

00:49:24.160 the

00:49:24.380 picture

00:49:24.680 that

00:49:24.940 Al

00:49:25.140 Fury

00:49:25.380 took

00:49:25.680 of

00:49:25.820 him

00:49:25.920 no

00:49:26.500 just

00:49:27.200 a

00:49:27.360 blank

00:49:27.680 face

00:49:28.220 no

00:49:28.600 emotion

00:49:30.040 no

00:49:31.200 fear

00:49:31.720 either

00:49:32.380 just

00:49:32.880 a

00:49:33.160 plain

00:49:33.500 blank

00:49:33.800 face

00:49:34.260 no

00:49:35.340 sign

00:49:36.280 of

00:49:36.580 anything

00:49:37.060 that

00:49:37.480 you

00:49:37.760 would

00:49:37.880 see

00:49:38.060 in

00:49:38.180 any

00:49:38.360 human

00:49:38.640 one

00:49:39.240 way

00:49:39.420 or

00:49:39.520 the

00:49:39.620 other

00:49:39.840 we

00:49:41.140 were

00:49:41.580 concerned

00:49:42.040 about

00:49:42.420 him

00:49:42.640 this

00:49:42.840 is

00:49:42.980 a

00:49:43.100 key

00:49:43.260 point

00:49:43.620 so

00:49:44.280 what

00:49:44.460 we

00:49:44.600 did

00:49:44.720 we

00:49:44.840 did

00:49:45.000 something

00:49:45.300 very

00:49:45.680 irregular

00:49:46.300 which

00:49:46.920 has

00:49:47.440 not

00:49:47.640 come

00:49:47.820 back

00:49:48.020 to

00:49:48.180 haunt

00:49:48.440 us

00:49:48.620 we

00:49:52.340 took

00:49:54.640 them

00:49:54.820 all

00:49:55.020 the

00:49:55.120 way

00:49:55.260 that

00:49:55.460 evening

00:49:55.820 to

00:49:56.340 Quantico

00:49:56.820 Virginia

00:49:57.360 where

00:49:58.440 we

00:49:58.640 had

00:49:58.980 FBI

00:50:00.060 had

00:50:00.340 a

00:50:00.480 long

00:50:00.720 term

00:50:01.020 very

00:50:01.320 good

00:50:01.560 relationship

00:50:02.200 with

00:50:02.480 the

00:50:02.600 Marines

00:50:02.940 at

00:50:03.160 Quantico

00:50:03.700 and

00:50:04.240 within

00:50:04.680 that

00:50:05.000 Marine

00:50:05.360 Corps

00:50:05.660 base

00:50:06.120 they

00:50:06.720 had

00:50:06.960 a

00:50:10.800 brig

00:50:11.120 they

00:50:11.720 used

00:50:11.920 the

00:50:12.080 Navy

00:50:12.300 term

00:50:12.700 brig

00:50:13.140 which

00:50:13.700 is

00:50:13.840 where

00:50:14.020 they

00:50:14.160 put

00:50:14.460 any

00:50:14.760 misbehaving

00:50:16.840 Marines

00:50:17.360 lock

00:50:17.680 them

00:50:17.900 up

00:50:18.140 and

00:50:19.080 there

00:50:19.780 were

00:50:20.000 few

00:50:21.140 if

00:50:21.360 any

00:50:21.600 prisoners

00:50:22.200 in

00:50:22.480 the

00:50:22.620 brig

00:50:22.900 at

00:50:23.100 Quantico

00:50:23.620 but

00:50:24.680 the

00:50:24.840 Marines

00:50:25.220 took

00:50:25.620 him

00:50:25.880 from

00:50:26.320 us

00:50:26.680 locked

00:50:27.380 him

00:50:27.600 up

00:50:27.820 by

00:50:28.180 himself

00:50:28.740 agents

00:50:29.260 stayed

00:50:29.580 there

00:50:29.800 that

00:50:30.020 night

00:50:30.260 too

00:50:30.460 but

00:50:30.640 the

00:50:30.780 Marines

00:50:31.080 secured

00:50:31.600 him

00:50:31.860 and

00:50:32.340 then

00:50:32.480 the

00:50:32.640 next

00:50:32.860 morning

00:50:33.200 for

00:50:33.440 his

00:50:33.620 arraignment

00:50:34.020 in

00:50:34.360 District

00:50:34.760 Court

00:50:35.100 in

00:50:35.260 District

00:50:35.680 of

00:50:35.880 Columbia

00:50:36.320 and

00:50:36.940 another

00:50:37.220 caravan

00:50:37.820 of

00:50:38.000 cars

00:50:38.300 we

00:50:38.480 took

00:50:38.700 him

00:50:38.820 back

00:50:39.020 to

00:50:39.180 the

00:50:39.300 arraignment

00:50:39.660 I

00:50:40.360 went

00:50:40.620 with

00:50:40.800 the

00:50:40.920 case

00:50:41.340 agent

00:50:41.780 Frank

00:50:42.240 Weigert

00:50:42.720 was

00:50:42.940 the

00:50:43.140 fellow

00:50:43.620 we

00:50:43.800 chose 0.56

00:50:44.020 to

00:50:44.140 be

00:50:44.240 the

00:50:44.380 case

00:50:44.620 agent

00:50:44.960 to

00:50:45.600 his

00:50:45.920 initial

00:50:47.580 appearance

00:50:48.160 arraignment

00:50:48.620 the

00:50:49.760 following

00:50:50.180 morning

00:50:50.520 and

00:50:50.640 that's

00:50:50.820 the

00:50:50.940 only

00:50:51.120 time

00:50:51.440 I

00:50:51.660 physically

00:50:52.240 saw

00:50:52.700 Hinkley

00:50:53.100 actually

00:50:53.620 and

00:50:53.880 he

00:50:54.080 was

00:50:54.780 the

00:50:54.960 same

00:50:55.220 way

00:50:55.540 but

00:50:56.100 this

00:50:56.360 was

00:50:56.520 the

00:50:56.680 kind

00:50:56.960 of

00:50:57.180 thing

00:50:58.020 we

00:50:58.240 did

00:50:58.720 because

00:50:59.280 we

00:50:59.440 didn't

00:50:59.680 want

00:50:59.880 anything

00:51:00.140 to

00:51:00.380 happen

00:51:00.640 to

00:51:00.860 him

00:51:01.200 and

00:51:01.900 you

00:51:02.380 can

00:51:02.620 imagine

00:51:03.020 if

00:51:03.240 he

00:51:03.360 got

00:51:03.560 beat

00:51:03.860 up

00:51:04.080 or

00:51:04.240 killed

00:51:04.520 in

00:51:04.700 the

00:51:04.820 D.C.

00:51:05.300 jail

00:51:05.660 the

00:51:06.360 conspiracy

00:51:06.920 theories

00:51:07.480 would

00:51:07.680 be

00:51:07.820 still

00:51:08.040 going

00:51:08.360 on

00:51:08.640 today

00:51:08.900 that

00:51:09.140 there

00:51:09.260 was

00:51:14.380 the

00:51:20.400 D.C.

00:51:21.520 police

00:51:22.000 and

00:51:22.260 the

00:51:22.420 FBI

00:51:22.880 was

00:51:23.720 superb

00:51:24.240 everybody

00:51:24.840 cooperated

00:51:25.820 there

00:51:26.020 was

00:51:26.180 no

00:51:26.440 infighting

00:51:27.140 or

00:51:27.280 anything

00:51:27.620 and

00:51:28.240 I

00:51:28.380 think

00:51:28.540 it's

00:51:28.720 because

00:51:29.120 of

00:51:29.360 that

00:51:29.660 that

00:51:30.260 the

00:51:30.440 whole

00:51:30.640 thing

00:51:30.880 was

00:51:31.060 handled

00:51:31.380 properly

00:51:32.080 as

00:51:32.520 it

00:51:32.640 should

00:51:32.780 have

00:51:32.920 been

00:51:33.100 no

00:51:33.660 turf

00:51:33.960 wars

00:51:34.280 so

00:51:35.040 was

00:51:35.360 Hinkley

00:51:35.760 talking

00:51:36.380 you know

00:51:37.040 now

00:51:37.280 of course

00:51:37.600 he had

00:51:37.920 the

00:51:38.080 note

00:51:38.360 in

00:51:38.680 his

00:51:38.880 hotel

00:51:39.340 room

00:51:39.620 and

00:51:39.740 now

00:51:39.880 we

00:51:39.980 know

00:51:40.100 the

00:51:40.220 whole

00:51:40.320 story

00:51:40.520 but

00:51:40.720 did

00:51:41.200 he

00:51:41.280 talk

00:51:41.620 to

00:51:41.760 law

00:51:41.940 enforcement

00:51:42.280 say

00:51:42.620 I

00:51:42.800 did

00:51:43.000 it

00:51:44.380 yeah

00:51:45.020 he

00:51:45.180 responded

00:51:45.780 well

00:51:46.480 he

00:51:46.640 didn't

00:51:46.920 initially

00:51:47.300 say

00:51:47.640 that

00:51:48.060 he

00:51:49.360 that

00:51:49.680 he

00:51:49.900 told

00:51:50.320 Henry

00:51:52.560 Rakel

00:51:52.960 and

00:51:53.120 George

00:51:53.380 Schimmel

00:51:53.680 when they

00:51:54.000 interviewed

00:51:54.320 him

00:51:54.600 that

00:51:55.360 when

00:51:56.760 you

00:51:56.900 get

00:51:57.080 to

00:51:57.240 my

00:51:57.440 room

00:51:57.720 you'll

00:51:57.960 you'll

00:51:58.340 you'll

00:51:58.720 know

00:51:58.880 why

00:51:59.140 I

00:51:59.340 did

00:51:59.500 it

00:51:59.660 that's

00:52:00.060 what

00:52:00.200 he

00:52:00.300 said

00:52:00.640 and

00:52:02.180 he

00:52:02.300 told

00:52:02.520 him

00:52:02.660 where

00:52:02.820 his

00:52:02.980 room

00:52:03.220 he

00:52:03.440 didn't

00:52:03.680 deny

00:52:03.960 he

00:52:04.140 did

00:52:04.300 it

00:52:04.460 and

00:52:04.580 he

00:52:04.680 told

00:52:04.860 him

00:52:04.980 where

00:52:05.120 his

00:52:05.280 hotel

00:52:05.600 room

00:52:05.860 was

00:52:06.180 what

00:52:06.960 did

00:52:07.320 now

00:52:07.760 this

00:52:08.000 is

00:52:08.180 after

00:52:08.460 excuse

00:52:10.900 me

00:52:11.200 what

00:52:11.780 did

00:52:11.980 Jodie

00:52:12.280 Foster

00:52:12.700 say

00:52:13.140 she

00:52:15.140 didn't

00:52:15.360 say

00:52:15.520 an

00:52:15.640 awful

00:52:15.820 lot

00:52:16.080 she

00:52:16.220 said

00:52:16.420 this

00:52:16.620 fellow

00:52:16.840 had

00:52:17.040 been

00:52:17.200 bothering

00:52:17.580 her

00:52:17.980 and

00:52:18.320 I

00:52:18.900 mean

00:52:19.040 she

00:52:19.240 was

00:52:19.560 I

00:52:21.260 don't

00:52:21.420 know

00:52:21.540 if

00:52:21.640 you

00:52:21.760 too

00:52:22.220 strong

00:52:22.540 to

00:52:22.720 say

00:52:22.860 she

00:52:23.000 was

00:52:23.120 a

00:52:23.260 victim

00:52:23.500 but

00:52:23.740 she

00:52:23.880 certainly

00:52:24.220 was

00:52:24.520 harassed

00:52:25.020 by

00:52:25.140 this

00:52:25.380 fellow

00:52:25.620 she

00:52:25.840 was

00:52:26.000 stalked

00:52:26.560 yeah

00:52:27.500 and

00:52:27.820 she

00:52:28.300 she

00:52:29.660 made

00:52:30.180 it

00:52:30.320 her

00:52:30.480 own

00:52:30.680 personal

00:52:31.140 resolve

00:52:31.620 not

00:52:32.540 to

00:52:32.860 not

00:52:34.040 to

00:52:36.220 talk

00:52:36.520 about

00:52:36.800 this

00:52:37.040 too

00:52:37.260 much

00:52:37.560 in

00:52:37.680 the

00:52:37.820 years

00:52:38.100 since

00:52:38.340 then

00:52:38.540 I

00:53:08.520 think she's only talked about it once publicly I could be wrong on that you can see why who would want to relive that or can't continue calling attention to that I mean especially with the president as beloved is Reagan you just don't don't want any association with such a dark chapter but she has it unfortunately through no fault of her own. they're gearing up for a trial now and as I understand it there was at least one interview or deposition or deposition.

00:53:08.540 I'm not sure what I read the word deposition.

00:53:09.880 I read the word deposition, which sounds like the word deposition, which sounds like the wrong word to me in a criminal case, but the he he gave some sort of testimony or she gave some sort of testimony and he was there for it.

00:53:22.900 I believe so. I believe that is what happened and at the trial and we can go back what you probably want to do to our interview of President Reagan.

00:53:33.920 But the U.S. Attorney's Office and the defense didn't push it.

00:53:39.740 Reagan didn't testify.

00:53:42.220 And James Brady, who was, as we all know, was in very bad shape, he didn't testify.

00:53:47.360 But the other two victims, Officer Delahanty and Secret Service agent Timoneney McCarthy, both testified.

00:53:54.040 And I think Jody Forster, as you said, use the expression deposition, she provided a statement.

00:53:59.980 I think it was recorded.

00:54:01.680 They didn't make her come to the courtroom. 0.54

00:54:03.400 I think they just played her statement there.

00:54:05.900 Okay.

00:54:06.540 Okay.

00:54:06.960 I had read.

00:54:08.080 I'm looking for it in front of me.

00:54:09.740 I don't see it right now.

00:54:10.620 But I had read that she gave some sort of testimony.

00:54:13.600 And he was there.

00:54:14.980 And there was some awkward moment that followed.

00:54:19.260 But in any event, so you had to interview.

00:54:21.040 That could be so.

00:54:21.700 Yes.

00:54:22.380 Yeah.

00:54:22.760 Because you have the right to confront your accusers.

00:54:25.380 Yes.

00:54:25.780 Yes.

00:54:26.280 Okay.

00:54:26.620 Let's see.

00:54:28.120 Hold on.

00:54:28.720 I have it here in front of me.

00:54:30.620 So she was required to give a deposition for the trial. 1.00

00:54:34.340 Again, that sounds like the wrong word.

00:54:35.540 But okay.

00:54:36.080 When Jody denied a relationship with John Hinckley, he got up and walked out.

00:54:42.040 He left the room.

00:54:43.660 Because he was, again, I've talked to my audience about this, some, what we call an erotomaniac.

00:54:49.540 That is somebody who thinks that they are in a love relationship with someone they've never met.

00:54:54.380 I've had one of these stalkers.

00:54:56.240 And it's extremely disconcerting.

00:54:58.720 And the last thing you're supposed to do is communicate with them.

00:55:01.400 So she didn't know that.

00:55:02.420 There wasn't enough research on stalkers and how to handle them back then.

00:55:07.580 But that's why he was so insulted that she was saying they did not have a relationship.

00:55:13.020 Now, they go to trial.

00:55:15.280 You said that we didn't need President Reagan's testimony.

00:55:17.800 Why is that?

00:55:18.640 Just because you had enough evidence without that?

00:55:21.680 Well, we had enough evidence without it.

00:55:24.140 The U.S. attorney at the time was Chuck Ruff.

00:55:26.680 I worked with him quite closely.

00:55:29.260 And Roger Edelman was the lead assistant U.S. attorney on the case.

00:55:32.720 He was a very competent person.

00:55:34.240 He later was one of the prosecutors in the Abscam cases.

00:55:38.420 And I worked with him there, too.

00:55:40.860 I don't think they wanted to put the president on the spot.

00:55:43.840 And I don't think anybody pushed it.

00:55:45.540 So he was he was he was left alone, left out of it, so to speak.

00:55:52.160 So just to go back to President Reagan and what happened to him that day.

00:55:57.240 First of all, I don't know whether he would have been a very useful witness anyway, because he he didn't see who shot him.

00:56:03.480 Isn't that correct?

00:56:04.900 I thought he later said, I didn't see the person.

00:56:07.240 I don't know.

00:56:08.580 Well, what happened was, if I could tell you this, because I think it is one of the more fascinating stories, parts of this.

00:56:13.880 That very evening, after the search of the room, I went back to the Washington field office.

00:56:20.140 And by then, the the agent in charge, Ted Gardner, had returned from this off site with the director.

00:56:25.740 And we picked a fellow, Frank Weicker, to be the case agent, which is a key role in the FBI, the way the FBI is organized.

00:56:33.440 And then the following morning, we knew we'd have to interview the president because he's he's not only a potential witness, he's also the main victim.

00:56:44.260 And as much as I would have liked to have interviewed Ronald Reagan, because I'm also an admirer of his, I didn't think it was proper.

00:56:53.420 I thought we had to have two working level FBI agents do this. 0.96

00:56:58.360 Fortunately, the agent in charge thought the same thing.

00:57:00.900 We picked two fellows, Robin Montgomery and John Povlansky, who are two two of my agents on the criminal side of the house in Washington field.

00:57:10.300 A unique thing about them is that both of them had suffered gunshot wounds themselves.

00:57:16.460 They had been both shot in Vietnam.

00:57:18.840 Robin was a Marine and Povlansky had been in the army.

00:57:22.040 They had both suffered gunshot wounds.

00:57:24.880 We thought that was a good thing in this sense, that they would be able to empathize with the president and perhaps have a good dialogue with him.

00:57:34.200 And they did.

00:57:35.720 So two or three days went by before he was well enough to be interviewed.

00:57:40.020 They went and interviewed him.

00:57:41.700 They will vote.

00:57:42.840 And we we instructed them as soon as they were done with the interview to come back and.

00:57:46.840 Report to us what had happened.

00:57:49.840 They were very touched by him.

00:57:52.000 He they said he is just what in private was just like his public persona.

00:57:56.740 They went in the hotel room.

00:57:58.560 He's excuse me, the hospital room.

00:58:01.680 He's in bed.

00:58:03.040 He's lying in bed.

00:58:04.360 And he welcomed them as if they were coming into his home and he reached over.

00:58:12.220 And there was a typical as in a hospital room, there was a pitcher of water and a couple of plastic cups.

00:58:19.180 And he started to pour out two cups of water to offer to them.

00:58:23.900 And Robin jumped over and said, no, Mr. President, let us do that.

00:58:28.840 He poured out the glasses of water.

00:58:30.900 And but he was like welcoming them into his home.

00:58:35.960 That was his attitude towards them.

00:58:38.260 And then they went back and forth.

00:58:40.160 And essentially, he said to them, he said, I really can't tell you.

00:58:43.840 He said, I don't remember anything.

00:58:45.780 I don't remember being shot.

00:58:47.720 I don't remember who shot me.

00:58:49.920 But then he said.

00:58:51.720 He added, he said, I just made all those jokes on television to make the people feel good about themselves.

00:58:58.500 That was his explanation.

00:59:02.020 Well, he did.

00:59:03.200 I mean, he did.

00:59:03.920 He he famously said to Nancy, honey, I forgot to duck.

00:59:09.060 He famously said to the surgeon for first of all, he tried to walk into the hospital.

00:59:13.420 He tried to walk from the presidential limousine into the hospital and wound up collapsing because of the blood loss.

00:59:19.460 And apparently at first it wasn't even clear whether like that.

00:59:23.080 He knew he'd been shot once they got him into the presidential limo.

00:59:25.940 It was like they looked down and he was bleeding and he realized he'd been shot.

00:59:29.320 So he gets in there and and he joked with his surgeon saying, please tell me you're Republicans.

00:59:36.100 Which is such a classic line before somebody cuts him open.

00:59:40.780 Yeah.

00:59:40.960 Just reassure me.

00:59:42.080 Well, one of the wonderful lines he repeated to the two agents who were interviewing him was he where they identified with one another.

00:59:51.780 He said he said, you know, it hurts to be shot.

00:59:55.720 And they said, yeah, we know.

00:59:57.880 Yeah, right.

00:59:58.420 They did.

00:59:58.940 They did know.

01:00:00.100 So President Reagan, unlike Jody, Jody Foster, he did talk about it.

01:00:03.540 We have just a little bit of him describing the event on Larry King Live.

01:00:10.320 This is Sot 5.

01:00:13.400 I heard a noise and we came out of the hotel and headed for the limousine.

01:00:17.920 And I heard some noise and I thought it was firecrackers.

01:00:21.680 And the next thing I knew, one of the Secret Service agents behind me just seized me here by the waist and plunged me headfirst into the limo.

01:00:30.280 So I landed on the seat and the seat divider was down and then he dived in on top of me, which is part of their procedure, to make sure that I'm covered.

01:00:39.480 Well, as it turned out later, the shot that got me caromed off the side of the limousine and hit me while I was diving into the car.

01:00:48.500 And it hit me back here under the arm and then hit a rib.

01:00:52.300 And that's what caused an extreme pain.

01:00:55.920 And then it tumbled.

01:00:57.100 It turned instead of edgewise and went tumbling down to within an inch of my heart.

01:01:03.780 Oh, my God.

01:01:04.800 He so easily could have been killed, Tom.

01:01:06.960 I mean, so easy.

01:01:08.600 Yes.

01:01:09.520 It's crazy when you think about it.

01:01:10.740 So he was asked by Larry about forgiveness.

01:01:13.800 Right.

01:01:14.200 I mean, it's always an interesting question, especially for Christians who are, you know, really taught that that's a critical piece of our faith.

01:01:21.380 He was asked about it.

01:01:22.460 And here's what he said.

01:01:24.200 I didn't know for quite a while until they began to tell me about the young man that had done this and what his problem was that he was not exactly on a normal basis.

01:01:36.920 And so then I added him to my prayers that did you for myself that, well, if I wanted healing for myself, maybe he should have some healing for himself.

01:01:49.960 You forgive John Hinkley.

01:01:51.660 Yes, I found out he wasn't he wasn't thinking on all levels on all cylinders.

01:02:02.200 Extraordinary moment.

01:02:04.540 Yes, he did forgive him.

01:02:05.700 He did forgive him.

01:02:07.440 And along those lines, I think it's significant and it should should be mentioned that later on.

01:02:15.820 President Reagan had more than one opportunity to meet with Pope John Paul II and with St.

01:02:23.180 Mother Teresa, and she came to Washington to see him, too.

01:02:27.200 And in their private discussions, he later said that they they they both both these saints told him that his life was bad for a higher purpose.

01:02:38.320 And he said he he always had that in mind in the rest of his life, that there was a reason his life was bad.

01:02:43.600 Well, that just gave me a chill when you think about the Cold War, the Brandenburg Gate, you know, I mean, good gracious, all the things that President Reagan accomplished after this.

01:02:54.220 As you point out, he only been in office, I think, 67 days when this happened.

01:02:57.400 That's that's that's chilling.

01:03:00.060 So let's spend a minute on the trial and then we'll get to John Hinckley.

01:03:04.300 John Hinckley pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.

01:03:06.880 And if you look at his background, just by, you know, just to give the audience some facts, he was the son of John Hinckley, Sr., who was chairman of the board of Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, a Denver based petroleum exploration company.

01:03:22.840 He said to have had a normal childhood, grew up in an affluent suburb of Dallas, Texas.

01:03:27.780 As he got older, he began to withdraw.

01:03:31.000 His parents talked it up to shyness.

01:03:33.340 Eventually, they moved to Evergreen, Colorado.

01:03:35.240 He went to Texas Tech off and on.

01:03:37.840 He did not graduate.

01:03:39.240 Spent a lot of time in his room alone.

01:03:41.560 Very, very common amongst people who wind up.

01:03:43.940 I mean, normal people do that, too.

01:03:46.140 But a lot of these killers, a lot of alone time behind closed doors where nobody can see them.

01:03:51.560 Wrote poems, played his guitar.

01:03:54.400 75, six years before the shooting, went to Hollywood to pursue a career in music.

01:04:00.460 So what happened between 75 and 81 to this guy who was trying to make it to Hollywood as a performer to this guy who was behind that rope line pulling the trigger four times?

01:04:11.040 Well, we went back and looked at a lot of that.

01:04:13.760 And he was just he's just spiraling downward, worse and worse.

01:04:18.960 And his parents, you have to feel sorry for them.

01:04:21.660 They were apparently very good, very responsible people.

01:04:24.720 They did all they could trying to help him.

01:04:27.500 He had a brother and a sister who both led very normal, successful lives.

01:04:33.400 It's it's it's just one of those sad things you just never know.

01:04:38.400 And you know what?

01:04:38.840 I mean, I will say a lot of a lot of times when there's a psychotic break, it happens right around this age, young 20s, young to mid 20s or late teens for young men in particular.

01:04:51.680 So, I mean, I feel like today we'd be looking at this a little differently.

01:04:54.760 We'd probably know a little bit more.

01:04:55.960 So he pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity and he prevailed, like despite the best efforts of the prosecutors that that won the day.

01:05:06.720 Yes, I'm not.

01:05:09.500 I'm not a psychologist or anything like that, but just in my layman's opinion, just after the first 24 or 48 hours in my layman's way of speaking, I thought, well, this guy is crazy.

01:05:23.080 I mean, but to be crazy for insanity plea is is it's a little bit more precise than that.

01:05:32.380 The the U.S. attorney and his staff, I mean, Chuck Ruff and Edelman, they really believe they could get a conviction.

01:05:42.000 And and so things went full bore ahead.

01:05:46.020 As I say, we gathered up all the background we could on Hinckley.

01:05:49.680 But there was outrage in the country when he was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

01:05:56.480 And then, of course, as we all know, committed to St. Elizabeth's Hospital.

01:06:00.980 That was one of the well, there were several.

01:06:04.340 Major outcomes from this case beyond his guilt or innocence, and one of them was a reform of the insanity plea.

01:06:12.360 This first was done and within a couple of years in the federal system, the federal insanity rules were changed so that the burden was on the the defense to show the insanity where as opposed to being on the government to show the person was not insane.

01:06:29.420 So that was one big change.

01:06:31.420 And a whole bunch of states then in the following year or two changed their statewide insanity thing.

01:06:39.760 So the the insanity defense was since then has been greatly limited.

01:06:45.240 It's not as used as much as it had been.

01:06:47.920 So that was one of the big changes that insanity defense.

01:06:51.520 I can talk about some of the other major changes when you want to get to that.

01:06:55.500 Yeah, well, so they said his lawyers argued that he was sick with narcissistic personality disorder, citing medical evidence that he had a pathological obsession with a 1976 film Taxi Driver, that both sides had dueling psychiatrists.

01:07:12.400 And June 21, 1982, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity on all 13 counts.

01:07:19.140 He had prepared a statement thinking that it would be a guilty verdict, saying, in part, my assassination attempt was an act of love.

01:07:28.320 His mental diagnosis at the time was major depressive disorder and various forms of schizophrenia.

01:07:34.600 Again, not uncommon to see a schizophrenic break start for the first time, the first one to come right around his age or slightly before.

01:07:43.240 And yeah, so keep going.

01:07:44.460 What were the other what were the other changes that came out of this trial?

01:07:48.220 Well, one, that's not so well publicly known.

01:07:51.060 The Secret Service changed a lot internally.

01:07:54.100 The president's schedule is no longer published in advance.

01:08:00.180 They now use metal detectors at all gatherings like this at places like the Washington Hilton.

01:08:06.220 They have them there to be used all the time.

01:08:08.140 But the other big, big change that affects American life to this day was the Brady handgun bill, named after the man who was injured, Brady.

01:08:23.000 That changed.

01:08:25.000 And they created the National Instant Background Check System, which is in use today.

01:08:31.600 To this day is actually managed by the FBI, their sieges division in West Virginia, where you need this instant background check, supposed to be instant, done before you can purchase firearms.

01:08:44.940 That was all a result of the part of the Brady handgun bill, which got its push from this assassination attempt.

01:08:53.420 Didn't didn't Hinckley say something like they said, what would have stopped you?

01:08:56.880 And he said, you know, if I had to wait, if I had to go through some sort of a waiting period, it fell out a bunch of paperwork on the guns.

01:09:02.140 I probably wouldn't have done it.

01:09:04.980 Yeah, I don't remember that, but that could be.

01:09:07.660 Yeah, he did.

01:09:09.260 And so, I mean, now gun control and gun legislation is so controversial.

01:09:15.500 But in this case, you've got a statement from the defendant saying if they'd made him go through a few more hoops, and this clearly is a crazy guy, he might not have done it.

01:09:24.680 And even the gun enthusiasts don't want crazy guys like Hinckley to have such easy access to guns.

01:09:31.240 This was a real problem that we had in our system.

01:09:35.620 My team will tell me where the quote was.

01:09:37.780 Oh, here it is.

01:09:39.540 Here it is.

01:09:40.740 When Hinckley was asked by his father what would have stopped him, he said if he had to fill out forms, get a permit, or anything complicated.

01:09:48.060 So, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy made a full recovery, returned to the service.

01:09:51.740 D.C. policeman Thomas Delahanty recovered, but suffered from a critical injury that forced his retirement.

01:09:57.440 And press secretary James Brady nearly died.

01:10:00.320 He was shot in the eye.

01:10:02.320 He suffered permanent brain damage, as you point out.

01:10:04.800 They had to destroy your bullet.

01:10:07.840 He was in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, as I recall, and really was never the same again.

01:10:14.960 And you think about the damage Hinckley did, and you look at President Reagan smiling, going on to do all these amazing things.

01:10:20.980 And you've got to remember James Brady and the devastating injury that he suffered as a part of this story.

01:10:26.160 Well, the fact is, Brady died approximately five years ago in Virginia.

01:10:32.720 And in Virginia, the coroner, or whoever the responsible person is, they decided that his death was a homicide from the original wounds.

01:10:44.500 But the state of Virginia then never did not proceed to prosecute Hinckley for that, nor did the federal government.

01:10:52.620 So, Hinckley goes off to the mental facility where he stays until this year.

01:11:01.720 He, Hinckley, is a free man right now.

01:11:04.940 Now he is.

01:11:06.800 He was in St. Elizabeth's Hospital, which is quite a, was a gigantic mental, federal mental health hospital in the District of Columbia.

01:11:16.780 It's like a village unto itself.

01:11:19.720 I had to go there in connection with other cases, with other people, and it's, it's, it's a phenomenal place.

01:11:25.800 But, uh, he was then for several years allowed to go stay for long periods of time with his mother, uh, who lived in a, uh, a home, had a house, uh, in Williamsburg, Virginia, overlooking one of the golf courses there in a gated community.

01:11:42.920 And it was, uh, the Secret Service, of course, was always, uh, objecting and checking on it because they were always concerned.

01:11:50.340 And it's ironic that his mother's home overlooked one of the, um, was like 50 feet or so up a little hill, overlooked one of the greens on the golf course.

01:12:02.300 And at that golf course in Williamsburg over the years, uh, President Clinton had played there, President Obama.

01:12:08.920 I mean, it's that kind of a place, and yet here's Hinkley staying in his mother's house, just overlooking that.

01:12:15.120 So you can understand why the Secret Service was so concerned about that.

01:12:19.880 Eventually, this past year, as you just mentioned, he's been completely free now.

01:12:25.040 He's a completely free man.

01:12:27.080 And this, uh, this, this summer, um, into this fall, um, 2022, uh, he's embarking on a, uh, a tour.

01:12:38.920 Or concert tour, his music that he's, was always ambitioning to do.

01:12:42.940 He's going to go play, uh, perform around the country.

01:12:47.080 We have some of that.

01:12:48.020 I'll play that in one second. 0.96

01:12:49.100 But first, I wanted the audience to hear him talking about how he sees it now.

01:12:54.580 This is on CBS News 2022.

01:12:57.820 This is him apologizing for what he did.

01:13:00.700 Uh, Soundbite 7.

01:13:01.740 I shot four people, and I'm sorry to the Reagan family, the Brady family, the, the other families

01:13:10.940 of the victims.

01:13:12.660 I'm sorry to Jodie Foster.

01:13:14.640 I have true remorse for what I did.

01:13:16.920 I know that they probably can't forgive me now, but I just want them to know that I am

01:13:21.660 sorry for what I did.

01:13:23.800 Hmm.

01:13:24.240 Michael Reagan, uh, President Reagan's son said he forget, he said, my dad forgave him

01:13:29.900 and I forgive him too.

01:13:30.960 Patty Reagan, uh, said, not me.

01:13:33.780 No.

01:13:34.320 And, and talked about the trauma that he caused, not just her family, but the nation.

01:13:38.560 What did, what did you think of the fact that they let him out?

01:13:42.240 Well, um, I, I really don't have a strong opinion on that.

01:13:46.860 He, he clearly was a mentally ill person and I, I kind of share a little bit of the take

01:13:53.160 of, uh, which for a while I think was the official take of the Secret Service, that someone

01:13:58.580 with these kind of a combination of mental disorders that he had, are they ever truly

01:14:03.960 cured?

01:14:04.980 Now maybe he can function and with a lot of medication, uh, but it, will he be a danger

01:14:10.280 again?

01:14:10.780 And that was always their concern.

01:14:13.440 Hmm.

01:14:13.600 He was behind, not really bars exactly, but in this facility for 40 plus years.

01:14:21.240 He described that, um, in the following way, again, on CBS 2022, listen, I've been the most

01:14:28.380 scrutinized person, um, in the entire mental health system for 41 years.

01:14:35.900 I'm just trying to show people I'm kind of an ordinary, ordinary guy who's just trying to

01:14:41.280 get along with your buddy else.

01:14:43.600 The thing is, Tom, they put him on medication and that can be used to control diseases like

01:14:50.220 schizophrenia.

01:14:51.520 And you've got a judge, um, Paul Friedman, 2003 saying he's no longer a danger to himself

01:14:58.700 or others.

01:14:59.380 So he can visit his mom's home.

01:15:01.120 Then in 2016, they granted him convalescent leave from the mental hospital, allowing him

01:15:06.440 to live with his mother.

01:15:07.460 He, he didn't cause any trouble.

01:15:09.040 Then came 2021 and same judge said, uh, that he would free Hinckley from all remaining restrictions

01:15:15.600 in June of 2022, as long as he did well living in Virginia.

01:15:20.320 And he did.

01:15:21.300 So he's been out prior to being released and didn't cause anyone any harm.

01:15:26.160 Um, and that's the thing when they find you not guilty by reason of insanity, they're not

01:15:29.760 saying they're saying you are not responsible for what you did.

01:15:33.080 So there'd be no reason to hold him if the determination has been made that he's no longer

01:15:38.240 a danger to society.

01:15:40.680 There's no desire or justification to punish if you're not mentally responsible for the

01:15:49.020 crime you committed.

01:15:49.860 And now to your point, he is trying to make it as a musician.

01:15:54.840 Here is his song, hope for the future in part on YouTube.

01:16:01.960 But here's my latest song.

01:16:03.580 I want to sing for you now.

01:16:05.000 It's called hope for the future.

01:16:06.560 Hope you like it.

01:16:07.240 I don't know, Tom, maybe I'm a bleeding heart.

01:16:36.260 Um, I feel sorry for him.

01:16:39.100 You know, I think he is a mentally ill guy.

01:16:41.460 That's everyone who's looked at him has said that this isn't some deranged lunatic, like

01:16:45.880 serial killer.

01:16:47.200 This is somebody who is just not of his right mind, as President Reagan said.

01:16:52.280 Well, I felt sorry for him.

01:16:53.540 And I, I even from the get go, I felt very sorry for his parents and what they went through

01:17:00.240 and how much they sacrificed and trying to help him.

01:17:02.740 And, and then his mother who survived the longest that.

01:17:06.260 The burden he was to her.

01:17:09.240 Hmm.

01:17:10.120 What a story.

01:17:11.320 My goodness.

01:17:12.900 How much safer is our president today than our president was Ronald Reagan in 1981?

01:17:19.140 Well, without a doubt, they are safer.

01:17:22.400 And, uh, some people would even say it's, it's almost overkill the, the, uh, the amount

01:17:29.020 of security around the president.

01:17:30.380 I mean, you, you just think back to Harry Truman, uh, Harry Truman drove himself around,

01:17:35.280 uh, you know, went, had one secret service agent beside him when he was vice president

01:17:40.500 and then president.

01:17:41.240 Uh, then we went to, uh, these, the details, you see a dozen perhaps on the scene with, with

01:17:48.960 Ronald Reagan.

01:17:50.020 And now it's, you know, six and eight and 20 cars sometimes when they move just between

01:17:55.240 Capitol Hill and the white house.

01:17:57.140 So it's, uh, uh, they're much safer.

01:18:00.800 Uh, but you know, a fanatic or a dedicated, uh, assassin, if they're willing to sacrifice

01:18:08.300 their own life, president still could be hurt, unfortunately, not likely, but it could happen.

01:18:15.240 Well, thank God there hasn't been another, uh, successful shooting or injury to a sitting 1.00

01:18:21.800 U.S. president since that moment, 40 plus years ago.

01:18:27.740 Let's shift gears in the time we have left because you've written a lot about the FBI

01:18:31.680 and how many years, how many years of service in the FBI for you?

01:18:35.100 I was in the FBI for 33 years in a variety of positions.

01:18:39.760 And then in the years since then, I had, uh, on a number of levels, a very close affiliation

01:18:45.140 with, uh, the FBI, particularly its executive management.

01:18:49.660 Okay.

01:18:50.320 So one of the things that you have been calling attention to is your disappointment in Robert

01:18:55.680 Mueller and the direction he took the FBI, James Comey took that baton and ran with it

01:19:02.080 too.

01:19:02.420 So, and I didn't know this, but you root it, I think, in this critical moment after

01:19:08.140 9-11 in this meeting in which you say Robert Mueller was embarrassed in a meeting he had

01:19:13.260 with then president George W. Bush.

01:19:15.400 Tell us.

01:19:16.320 Yes.

01:19:16.800 Well, if I could back up just half a second on that.

01:19:19.340 Sure, sure, sure.

01:19:20.460 There is, everybody knows there's a lot in the last three or four years has gone wrong

01:19:25.160 with the FBI and, uh, current director Ray has pointed out that the two or three key,

01:19:31.580 uh, uh, miscredence of the, uh, Russian collusion probe are no longer in the bureau.

01:19:36.920 And then we had the terrible situation with the gymnast and director Ray again points out

01:19:43.640 that the two agents involved in that are no longer with us with Larry Nassar covered up

01:19:48.020 for him.

01:19:48.360 Yeah.

01:19:49.360 Each time something goes, yes.

01:19:51.280 Each time something goes wrong, they point out that the people have been fired or disciplined,

01:19:56.080 which, which is as it should be.

01:19:58.300 Mike, my intention is they have to look at, and I plead, I plead with them to look at what's

01:20:04.680 happened.

01:20:05.360 Why, why do we have this happening continuously happening?

01:20:09.240 What's happened to the culture and in talking to a whole lot of people, including director

01:20:14.260 Muller, who told me this himself and told many other people this, I think a lot of it

01:20:19.340 goes back to, uh, an unintended consequence of the reaction to September 11th.

01:20:25.360 Robert Muller became the director of the FBI, uh, just about five days before the September

01:20:31.540 11th attacks, which happened on a Tuesday.

01:20:34.280 That Saturday morning, uh, president George W. Bush summoned Muller to Camp David to give

01:20:42.340 a report on, on the FBI's investigation.

01:20:45.440 Muller went there now.

01:20:47.020 So there were only about three and a half days between the attack and the meeting on Saturday

01:20:51.500 morning at Camp David.

01:20:53.140 In that three and a half days, the FBI did what it does best investigate.

01:20:59.140 And in those three and a half days, they had identified all 19 hijackers.

01:21:03.540 Their associates, their, their credit cards, their automobiles, where they stayed, who they

01:21:09.780 associated with, their background and their connections to Al Qaeda was coming into focus.

01:21:15.760 So Robert Muller went to Camp David with this report, expecting praise and thanks for it.

01:21:22.280 And when he was done talking, President George W. Bush said to him, in effect, I don't care

01:21:29.060 about that.

01:21:29.700 I just want to know how you're going to stop the next one.

01:21:32.940 Then about an hour later that morning, George Tenet gave a proposed plan of action going forward.

01:21:40.060 The CIA.

01:21:41.820 Yeah.

01:21:42.480 Then the director of the CIA, several people present said, said that President Bush said,

01:21:48.940 that's great.

01:21:49.820 And then turned and looked at Muller and said to Muller, that's what I'd like to hear.

01:21:56.060 That's what I want to hear.

01:21:57.740 So Muller went back and in Muller's own words, he became bound and determined to change the

01:22:04.460 culture of the FBI.

01:22:06.560 And that's the word he used.

01:22:08.020 And to make it into more of an intelligence agency.

01:22:11.000 And a lot of us have looked at this and we said, well, maybe that's the root of the problem

01:22:16.520 because when you, you, the FBI always had a counterintelligence mission, but they behaved

01:22:23.200 like a law enforcement agency.

01:22:25.840 They were trained to operate within the Bill of Rights.

01:22:29.280 They were trained as you are in a law enforcement agency.

01:22:33.840 You look forward to the day.

01:22:34.900 Everything you do is going forward to the day where you're going to stand up in front of

01:22:39.640 a judge or in front of a jury and raise your right hand and pledge to tell the truth, the

01:22:45.480 whole truth and nothing but the truth.

01:22:48.040 That gives you a certain, that creates a certain culture.

01:22:52.240 In an intelligence agency, you deal in guesses, estimates, your best thinking at the time,

01:22:58.620 and you deal in deception and deceit.

01:23:01.800 And that's part of it.

01:23:03.160 And a lot of us think that this change in the FBI's culture is what has allowed these

01:23:09.220 problems that manifest themselves under Director Comey and since then to come about.

01:23:14.920 And we just hope and pray that the FBI changes its culture, gets back to its law enforcement

01:23:22.460 roots.

01:23:22.920 Go back to being federal law enforcement and not a wannabe domestic CIA.

01:23:29.620 Correct.

01:23:30.560 Very well said.

01:23:31.620 Yes.

01:23:31.860 So when you look at all the problems that we're seeing in the news these days about

01:23:38.380 the FBI, can you root it to that?

01:23:40.840 I mean, I'm thinking about the FBI's rating everybody now.

01:23:44.500 They're they're treating civilians accused of misdemeanors as like kingpin drug suspects

01:23:50.920 with like 30 agents.

01:23:52.400 We saw them go after the pro-life guy who had some tiny skirmish with somebody outside of an

01:23:57.320 abortion clinic next, you know, 20 to 30 law enforcement from FBI are rating with guns drawn.

01:24:03.280 We saw James O'Keefe, you know, a journalist at Project Veritas get raided by the FBI, who

01:24:08.780 then clearly either the FBI or DOJ leaked what they found to The New York Times, which is

01:24:14.280 just absolutely unforgivable.

01:24:16.100 We've seen the Gretchen Whitmer, you know, alleged entrapment with people being like, I don't

01:24:21.760 know.

01:24:22.160 And the FBI agents being like, we were going to kill her.

01:24:24.460 Right.

01:24:24.660 We're going to kill like they're just out of control.

01:24:26.920 So is it all in your mind connected?

01:24:29.860 Yes, it's connected to this cultural change.

01:24:34.000 And I tell you, and I've told people this and like some defense attorneys today find it

01:24:38.720 hard to believe.

01:24:39.780 But when we were in new agents training and then in our periodic training, legal training,

01:24:45.220 which you got periodically, but in new agents training, we spent a lot of time on the U.S.

01:24:51.860 Constitution, on the Bill of Rights, particularly the fourth, fifth and sixth amendments.

01:24:56.220 And contrary to what people might think, our legal instructors told us not to look at the

01:25:05.020 fourth, fifth and sixth amendment as a barrier, as an obstacle to doing our job, but to embrace

01:25:11.000 it.

01:25:11.840 And we even had one legal instructor back in those days gave us a copy, a pocketbook size

01:25:20.360 copy of the Constitution and told us to keep it in our breast pocket here.

01:25:26.000 We're always with us.

01:25:27.180 And a lot of us did this.

01:25:28.780 And that whenever you go to interview someone or whenever you go to execute a search warrant

01:25:33.620 at someone's home, if you have that copy of the Constitution with you and you remember

01:25:38.440 it, you'll never go wrong.

01:25:40.640 You'll never go off the line.

01:25:42.360 You'll never go off the wires.

01:25:44.200 That's how we were taught.

01:25:46.220 And I've learned since then that a copy of the Constitution is not issued to FBI people.

01:25:53.240 Now, in the last year or two, because I keep hopping on this and I've spoken to a lot of

01:25:58.360 FBI executives about it, happily, I can say that they now are giving a pocket-sized copy

01:26:03.540 of the Constitution to every new FBI employee.

01:26:07.200 Now, that may seem like a simple thing or a little thing, but little things mean a lot

01:26:12.340 and little symbolic things mean a lot.

01:26:15.300 They're reminders of things to people.

01:26:18.680 They're totems.

01:26:19.420 And that's important.

01:26:21.380 Let's say, Tom, that, you know, it's 2024 and suddenly we have President DeSantis or

01:26:29.260 President Youngkin or whatever, some Republican, and they call you up and say, Tom, I want you

01:26:34.720 to come out of retirement and I want you to head up the FBI and I want you to make it like

01:26:38.560 it used to be and get rid of all the politics and, you know, all these bad actors like Peter

01:26:44.760 Strzok, I realize he's no longer there, but I don't even want the possibility of another

01:26:49.400 Peter Strzok at the FBI.

01:26:51.700 What do they need to do?

01:26:52.740 Like in practice, how do you get rid of the rot that's there now?

01:26:57.120 Peter Strzok Okay, it's a cultural problem.

01:27:01.780 And there's been books written about this in corporate settings and government settings

01:27:06.580 too.

01:27:07.720 To change the culture, you have to change a lot of things, big and small.

01:27:11.620 And I mentioned one of the small things.

01:27:14.040 But the first thing you have to do is recognize that there is a problem.

01:27:18.400 And a lot of this won't be imposed by outside, by the Congress or by the president.

01:27:23.060 Unfortunately, it has to come from inside the FBI.

01:27:26.960 Recognize the problem.

01:27:28.360 Change a lot of things, big and small.

01:27:30.760 Change your orientation.

01:27:32.520 Change your mission statement.

01:27:33.820 They've taken law enforcement out of parts of the mission statement and they keep emphasizing

01:27:38.360 intelligence.

01:27:39.200 Every time Ray speaks, he quotes Mueller and Comey that we're now an intelligence-driven organization.

01:27:48.520 No, we want to operate within the law.

01:27:51.020 And now, myself and others for years, whenever we were called upon to go out to speak to a

01:27:57.280 community group or when I was overseas and I spoke to our allies, I always explained that

01:28:04.300 the United States of America was blessed, truly blessed, that as our domestic security agency,

01:28:12.440 we was a law enforcement agency, which meant they operated within the parameters of the law

01:28:18.000 and the Constitution.

01:28:18.800 And we were blessed to have that.

01:28:21.360 Unfortunately, the way it's being twisted now, we are now to the point where we have

01:28:26.440 a domestic intelligence agency that has police power.

01:28:31.160 That's the problem.

01:28:32.500 That's what has to be changed culturally.

01:28:34.260 When you hear the stories about, you know, the investigations of Trump and all that the

01:28:40.020 FBI did during the Trump years, was that shocking to you?

01:28:43.640 I mean, like, how bad is that on a scale of one to 10, the way they behaved?

01:28:47.980 10 being, you know, the agency needs to be dismantled down to the studs and one being mildly

01:28:53.040 problematic.

01:28:53.460 Well, I don't advocate dismantling the FBI and I don't advocate breaking up the FBI, but

01:28:59.560 it was shocking because the most fundamental thing, shocking, and this has been documented

01:29:04.300 now, not just in the Mueller report, but in stuff since then with Endurance documenting

01:29:09.600 it again for us, there was no predicate.

01:29:12.300 There was no logical reason to begin what they called Crossfire Hurricane, which was the code

01:29:18.480 name for the investigation of the Trump presidential campaign.

01:29:22.300 There was no good reason to do it.

01:29:25.240 They hung their hat and Comey and his book, Hank's this hat on, this one conversation that this

01:29:31.560 fellow Papadopoulos had in England with somebody at a bar where he said the Russians have dirt

01:29:36.940 on Hillary Clinton.

01:29:38.880 Well, and I'm sure, Megyn Kelly, you know this.

01:29:44.140 You've been a reporter in Washington.

01:29:46.500 Any presidential election, you could stand or sit at a bar anywhere in Washington, D.C., and

01:29:53.180 you could hear 10 rumors like this about anybody.

01:29:56.220 There's rumors flying all over the...

01:29:57.940 That's not enough.

01:29:59.340 Under the attorney general guidelines to open a counterintelligence investigation on an American,

01:30:04.980 you have to have articulable facts.

01:30:08.120 And there were none with this.

01:30:09.440 There was no reason to begin that investigation, much less on a presidential candidate and a presidential

01:30:16.000 campaign.

01:30:16.860 I can remember when we were contemplating open investigations on a U.S. senator or a congressman,

01:30:23.180 when William Webster was director, he would challenge us, do you have enough?

01:30:28.580 Go back and look again.

01:30:30.400 They didn't want us interfering in politics unless we had a solid reason to do it.

01:30:35.100 And they opened an investigation, Comey did and his minions, on a presidential candidate

01:30:43.320 without any legitimate predicate.

01:30:47.900 I mean, and in doing so, risked the trust and credibility of the entire agency.

01:30:53.300 It has not recovered.

01:30:54.840 In fact, if anything, it's continued to go downward.

01:30:57.780 And as you point out, I happen to agree with you.

01:30:59.520 It's an agency we really need.

01:31:01.280 We need and we need to believe in it.

01:31:03.300 And we have to do...

01:31:04.480 We can't just give up on it.

01:31:05.540 We have to just...

01:31:06.560 We have to revamp.

01:31:07.620 We have to be honest about the problems.

01:31:09.040 We'd have to get somebody like you in there or somebody who thinks like you to help lead

01:31:13.620 it into the next phase.

01:31:15.720 And I do think that's probably going to require a change in administrations.

01:31:19.600 What a pleasure talking to you, Tom.

01:31:21.280 I appreciate all your years of service, your great storytelling and your honesty.

01:31:27.140 Thank you.

01:31:28.680 Thank you.

01:31:30.720 Tomorrow, we're going back in time to World War II with a fascinating discussion.

01:31:36.460 Looking forward to bringing you this.

01:31:38.380 And I'll talk to you then.

01:31:39.620 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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