The Megyn Kelly Show - Roseanne Barr on Toxic Hollywood Betrayals and Surviving Cancel Culture, Plus Harry and Meghan's Paparazzi Ploy ｜ Ep. 552

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:42.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.860 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.300 We have a great program for you today

00:00:47.380 with legendary comedian Roseanne Barr joining me.

00:00:50.320 I've never met Roseanne.

00:00:51.860 I'm so excited to actually have her on.

00:00:54.080 I've never interviewed her.

00:00:55.800 You know that this is a person who shattered stereotypes

00:00:59.420 of motherhood and femininity

00:01:01.880 and was the voice of America's working class

00:01:04.880 for years on her hugely successful show.

00:01:09.420 We watched it religiously in my family

00:01:12.800 and I'm a huge fan.

00:01:13.900 We're going to dive into her life,

00:01:15.060 including some bumps along the way

00:01:17.140 and what she's doing now.

00:01:18.580 Always funny, sometimes controversial

00:01:20.160 and never boring.

00:01:21.760 Roseanne joins me in just a minute,

00:01:24.120 but wanted to begin with this breaking news

00:01:26.940 about the Duchess of Duplicity.

00:01:29.880 Meghan Markle and Prince Harry say

00:01:31.640 that they were in a near-catastrophic car chase

00:01:35.760 involving paparazzi in New York City last night.

00:01:38.660 Near-catastrophic.

00:01:39.740 What does that mean?

00:01:40.640 I mean, near-catastrophic is what we all have

00:01:43.000 every time we look down to change the radio

00:01:44.480 while we're driving our cars

00:01:45.460 or engage in the stupidity of checking a text

00:01:48.860 or our phones while we're driving.

00:01:49.900 That's near-catastrophic, it is.

00:01:51.780 Anything could happen with anybody on the road

00:01:54.100 around your car.

00:01:55.680 It was near-catastrophic, you see.

00:01:58.120 What they say, this is per CNN,

00:01:59.600 is they were involved in a near-catastrophic car chase

00:02:01.980 involving paps last night, Tuesday,

00:02:04.300 according to their spokesperson.

00:02:06.000 Have yet to hear from anyone in the NYPD

00:02:09.020 on any of this.

00:02:10.940 The couple were followed by a swarm of paparazzi,

00:02:14.100 but there was no car accident,

00:02:15.820 according to a law enforcement source.

00:02:17.100 So a law enforcement source is saying

00:02:18.700 no car accident at all,

00:02:20.420 but there were paparazzi there.

00:02:22.300 Okay, this is a night in New York.

00:02:24.460 Ask any person of interest

00:02:26.800 or who's a public person.

00:02:28.200 It's happened to me.

00:02:29.560 I've seen it happen to others.

00:02:31.260 I was at a restaurant, Nobu,

00:02:33.020 one time when it was like

00:02:34.520 you would have thought that

00:02:35.520 the actual Queen of England was there,

00:02:37.340 and in fact, it turned out to be Kendall Jenner.

00:02:39.940 Or no, the other Jenner.

00:02:41.220 The other one.

00:02:43.540 Kylie, Kylie Jenner.

00:02:45.260 I guarantee she had more people following her 1.00

00:02:47.360 than these two did.

00:02:48.700 Um, the incident happened

00:02:50.400 after Harry accomplished,

00:02:51.540 accompanied Megan to the Women of Vision Awards

00:02:54.460 held at the city's Ziegfeld Ballroom.

00:02:57.560 Uh, they were traveling also

00:02:58.860 with Megan's mother, Doria Raglin.

00:03:00.700 Spokesperson for the couple

00:03:01.800 said last night,

00:03:02.840 the Duke and Duchess of Sussex

00:03:03.880 and Mrs. Raglin were involved 0.89

00:03:05.100 in this near catastrophic chest

00:03:06.340 at the hands of a ring,

00:03:08.200 a ring of highly aggressive paparazzi.

00:03:10.080 The relentless pursuit

00:03:11.520 lasting over two hours

00:03:12.800 resulted in multiple near collisions.

00:03:15.400 Again, no actual.

00:03:17.180 Involving other drivers on the road,

00:03:18.520 pedestrians,

00:03:19.060 and two NYPD officers

00:03:20.340 who were apparently there

00:03:21.120 to protect the couple.

00:03:22.280 By the way,

00:03:22.780 they're probably from,

00:03:23.680 I'm told by law enforcement,

00:03:25.360 from the Intel division

00:03:26.420 within the NYPD,

00:03:27.660 which is sort of like

00:03:28.160 the Secret Service

00:03:28.800 and will sometimes go

00:03:29.640 to protect VIPs in town

00:03:31.420 for events like this.

00:03:32.900 Um, the statement said

00:03:33.960 the couple understand

00:03:34.800 that while being a public figure

00:03:36.040 comes with a level of interest

00:03:37.280 from the public,

00:03:38.040 uh, it should never come

00:03:39.640 at the cost of anyone's safety.

00:03:41.460 And now they want to discourage

00:03:43.400 against dissemination

00:03:44.400 of the images

00:03:45.200 given the ways

00:03:46.560 in which they were obtained

00:03:47.600 because they encourage

00:03:48.700 a highly intrusive practice

00:03:49.940 that is dangerous

00:03:50.540 to all involved.

00:03:51.600 Well, sorry, you two,

00:03:52.960 but you're in America now.

00:03:54.340 And in America,

00:03:55.020 the price,

00:03:55.480 the press has the right

00:03:56.620 to photograph you

00:03:57.400 when you're in a public place

00:03:58.540 or on the streets

00:03:59.960 or leaving a place

00:04:02.180 like the Ziegfeld Theater.

00:04:03.560 That's the way it works here.

00:04:05.220 And it's not pleasant.

00:04:06.640 I've been followed as well,

00:04:07.760 but it's part of life

00:04:09.000 in this country

00:04:09.780 where we still have

00:04:10.480 freedom of the press.

00:04:11.140 You don't like it?

00:04:12.120 Go back home.

00:04:12.700 For the love of God,

00:04:13.560 please go back home, Harry.

00:04:15.060 Take your wife with you. 0.99

00:04:16.540 I don't know how we got saddled

00:04:17.600 with you to begin with.

00:04:18.820 So now they come out,

00:04:20.840 um, and say to TMZ

00:04:23.560 that what happened was

00:04:25.720 they got in their black car,

00:04:26.740 their black SUV,

00:04:27.600 and then they switched cars.

00:04:29.220 They got into a New York City taxi

00:04:30.820 to try to fool,

00:04:32.440 I guess, the paps

00:04:33.140 that they were still in the SUV.

00:04:35.060 But no, in fact,

00:04:36.300 here's video that TMZ

00:04:37.620 just posted of them

00:04:38.800 in the taxi.

00:04:40.120 And you can see

00:04:41.200 the paparazzi lights

00:04:42.400 actually photographing the two.

00:04:44.460 Okay, this is what happens

00:04:46.120 when you are a star

00:04:47.900 and you're whizzing around New York.

00:04:49.960 I mean, this is nothing extraordinary

00:04:51.660 for a night in NYC.

00:04:54.660 Um, what exactly happened

00:04:56.260 that made it sound

00:04:57.040 so harrowing for them?

00:04:58.100 We don't know.

00:04:58.660 This is what CNN reports.

00:05:00.000 Paparazzi on scooters and bikes

00:05:01.780 zoomed down the sidewalk

00:05:03.420 to keep up with them,

00:05:04.940 according to an unnamed source.

00:05:07.100 Well, I look forward

00:05:09.080 to seeing the actual video

00:05:10.100 of that.

00:05:10.540 Could have happened,

00:05:11.260 but more than likely,

00:05:12.780 that would be really tough

00:05:13.640 to do in New York City's Times Square,

00:05:16.960 which is where they were leaving from.

00:05:19.040 And I'll tell you one other thing

00:05:20.280 that doesn't check out

00:05:20.960 about their story.

00:05:22.040 There is no way

00:05:22.980 of having a two-hour car chase

00:05:24.420 in New York City in Manhattan.

00:05:26.100 There just isn't.

00:05:26.920 There are too many stop signs.

00:05:28.260 There are too many red lights.

00:05:29.420 There is too much foot traffic.

00:05:30.940 There is too much actual traffic.

00:05:32.520 And there's just,

00:05:34.000 it's impossible to be in a car chase

00:05:35.260 in this borough for two hours.

00:05:38.140 So exactly how did that happen?

00:05:39.660 It would have happened

00:05:40.280 out of choice.

00:05:41.800 The couple must have been

00:05:42.540 willing participants

00:05:43.320 to some extent

00:05:44.140 because there are hundreds of places

00:05:46.180 to pull over

00:05:46.860 and get to, quote, safety,

00:05:48.600 which is what they claim

00:05:49.400 they wanted.

00:05:51.000 Right?

00:05:51.980 So I've got questions,

00:05:53.600 in particular because

00:05:54.600 they have a history

00:05:55.400 of lying, as you know,

00:05:56.860 and even of exaggerating

00:05:58.060 their alleged car chases.

00:05:59.580 Who could forget this scene

00:06:00.800 from their Netflix special

00:06:01.880 where they were urging

00:06:03.700 one another to remember

00:06:04.800 safety first, safety first

00:06:06.520 after one guy on a Vespa

00:06:09.640 was following them, allegedly.

00:06:13.320 Do we have that pap

00:06:14.280 on the scooter again?

00:06:15.440 Yes, ma'am.

00:06:15.860 Oh, we do.

00:06:16.520 Same guy?

00:06:17.300 Same guy.

00:06:18.240 Oh, my God.

00:06:18.800 I watched him go into this park

00:06:19.920 and he's going to be with us.

00:06:22.140 Yes, sir.

00:06:22.560 He was just ahead.

00:06:24.680 There's a lot of people

00:06:25.580 who think they've got

00:06:27.320 such a problem with paparazzi.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, there was the guys

00:06:33.480 in the basement

00:06:33.980 of the building, too,

00:06:34.800 as we were doing that walk

00:06:35.780 we were recording, too,

00:06:36.700 just so you're aware.

00:06:39.100 Back in my mom's day,

00:06:40.420 it was physical harassment.

00:06:43.980 You know, cameras in your face

00:06:45.020 following you, chasing you.

00:06:50.280 She's following us.

00:06:51.760 Who?

00:06:52.660 This path.

00:06:53.240 The worst case scenario.

00:06:54.240 Safety first.

00:06:55.300 Worst case scenario,

00:06:56.040 we're going from one garage

00:06:56.900 to another.

00:06:57.680 Like, it's...

00:06:58.280 Safety first.

00:07:01.380 Okay.

00:07:01.820 Yes.

00:07:02.200 Right.

00:07:02.540 With the one guy on a Vespa.

00:07:04.020 So they have a history

00:07:05.080 of exaggerating the danger

00:07:06.800 they were allegedly in.

00:07:07.940 Remember when she tried

00:07:08.560 to lead us to believe

00:07:09.420 that her son Archie

00:07:10.660 was basically in a fire

00:07:11.720 when they were on

00:07:12.620 that overseas tour

00:07:13.400 and it turned out

00:07:13.900 one heater in a room

00:07:15.240 that Archie had been in

00:07:16.760 but was no longer

00:07:17.680 started smoking.

00:07:19.780 The child was nowhere near it

00:07:21.240 and was never in danger.

00:07:22.860 So she's got a history here.

00:07:24.580 Let's not even talk

00:07:25.260 about the Oprah interview.

00:07:26.520 Online, people are calling them

00:07:27.760 the Jussie Smolletts 0.91

00:07:28.920 of New York City.

00:07:30.740 Other people are saying,

00:07:31.800 call Oprah.

00:07:32.560 Call Oprah right away.

00:07:33.900 Talk about...

00:07:34.620 Let me tell you about something.

00:07:36.420 Most of us who are public figures

00:07:37.660 go through something like this

00:07:38.840 multiple times

00:07:39.740 and we don't run

00:07:40.840 to our PR agents

00:07:42.580 and have them release

00:07:43.500 a statement

00:07:44.020 playing the victim.

00:07:46.280 My safety was in danger.

00:07:48.460 It must stop.

00:07:49.580 It has to stop.

00:07:50.580 All right?

00:07:51.340 And I've never revealed

00:07:52.200 this story before

00:07:52.960 but I will

00:07:53.880 because of what we're seeing here.

00:07:56.140 It was right after I left NBC.

00:07:57.860 I was very much in the news.

00:07:59.300 The paparazzi were all over me.

00:08:01.140 Well, unfortunately,

00:08:01.780 I found out that I had

00:08:02.840 a small basal cell carcinoma

00:08:05.300 on my left temple.

00:08:07.140 It was a nothing

00:08:07.740 but as you know,

00:08:08.780 if you've ever had

00:08:09.280 one of these things,

00:08:10.100 you have to get

00:08:10.640 the Mohs procedure

00:08:11.480 to get it off

00:08:12.180 and I went into

00:08:14.140 the dermatologist

00:08:14.920 to get it off

00:08:16.120 and then I was going

00:08:16.820 to go across town

00:08:17.820 because they said

00:08:18.320 since it's your face,

00:08:19.300 you should have

00:08:19.740 a plastic surgeon

00:08:20.460 stitch it up, right?

00:08:21.540 And I did it.

00:08:22.080 It turned out beautifully.

00:08:22.820 You wouldn't even know.

00:08:23.600 By the way,

00:08:23.940 get your skin care checks

00:08:25.060 just to make sure

00:08:25.680 these are things

00:08:26.200 that are not that big a deal

00:08:27.460 but if you ignore them,

00:08:28.240 they can become one.

00:08:29.540 So I went in

00:08:31.000 to the guy's office

00:08:33.160 who was doing

00:08:33.680 the Mohs procedure.

00:08:34.880 I left

00:08:35.600 and now I've got

00:08:37.500 like a bandage

00:08:38.300 on my left temple

00:08:39.220 and I'm going over

00:08:41.080 to the plastic surgeon's office

00:08:42.300 to have it stitched up

00:08:43.780 and sure enough,

00:08:45.220 there's a couple

00:08:45.720 paparazzi following me

00:08:46.800 and I don't particularly

00:08:48.480 want to be photographed

00:08:49.580 with my left temple

00:08:51.320 bleeding,

00:08:52.220 going into a plastic surgeon's

00:08:53.780 because everybody's

00:08:54.200 going to be like,

00:08:54.440 she's having plastic surgery. 0.96

00:08:55.500 She's off the air.

00:08:56.300 That wasn't it at all.

00:08:57.380 I had a little skin cancer

00:08:58.600 which I also didn't think

00:08:59.740 was anybody's business.

00:09:01.460 So I call ahead

00:09:03.640 to the surgeon's office.

00:09:04.600 I say,

00:09:04.840 I'm coming in.

00:09:06.200 I'm being followed.

00:09:07.500 You know,

00:09:07.640 is there like a private entrance

00:09:08.900 or what?

00:09:09.220 There's like,

00:09:09.620 no,

00:09:09.940 there's no private entrance

00:09:11.080 but you know,

00:09:12.360 we'll have a guard out there

00:09:13.180 to help you get in.

00:09:13.780 I'm like,

00:09:13.960 okay, fine.

00:09:14.920 So I think out of,

00:09:16.500 you know,

00:09:16.880 good spirits,

00:09:18.440 the guy in an effort

00:09:19.360 to like protect me

00:09:20.380 from the paparazzi

00:09:21.320 but really just call

00:09:22.420 more attention to me

00:09:23.180 comes outside

00:09:24.100 holding this huge red umbrella,

00:09:26.100 this big umbrella

00:09:27.120 and it's sunny

00:09:29.040 and he's like shepherding me

00:09:31.340 and I'm like,

00:09:31.700 oh my God,

00:09:32.220 this is like not what I wanted

00:09:33.420 but you know,

00:09:34.380 whatever,

00:09:34.840 let's just get inside

00:09:35.520 and the paparazzi

00:09:36.620 stops in the middle street.

00:09:37.980 They run.

00:09:38.840 The guy dives down.

00:09:40.280 He's under my umbrella

00:09:41.220 and he's taking photographs

00:09:42.260 from under the umbrella

00:09:43.760 and I'm like,

00:09:44.320 oh my God,

00:09:44.740 I've got this thing

00:09:45.220 on the side of my face.

00:09:46.320 She couldn't really see

00:09:47.100 because of my hair

00:09:47.600 but I went in.

00:09:49.120 Sure enough,

00:09:49.400 it hit the papers.

00:09:50.680 What's she doing?

00:09:51.380 What's she doing?

00:09:51.780 What's happening?

00:09:52.460 They didn't put together

00:09:53.180 that I was going in

00:09:53.860 to see a plastic surgeon

00:09:54.580 to stitch up this Mohs procedure.

00:09:56.320 The speculation

00:09:56.880 that hit the press

00:09:57.640 later that day

00:09:58.140 was that

00:09:58.600 I was selling a book

00:10:00.000 to Random House.

00:10:01.440 Apparently Random House

00:10:02.340 was in the same building.

00:10:03.120 Did I run to the papers

00:10:07.020 and say,

00:10:07.960 I've been endangered.

00:10:09.420 I have cancer.

00:10:10.560 I could have pulled that.

00:10:12.260 Bullshit.

00:10:13.260 Most people are in the public eye.

00:10:15.400 Take it like a man or a woman 0.99

00:10:16.920 and we move on with our day

00:10:18.460 because we understand

00:10:19.120 they have a job to do

00:10:20.040 and dealing with the press

00:10:21.280 is part of our job too.

00:10:23.260 This woman hasn't seen

00:10:24.800 a paparazzi

00:10:25.460 she wants to avoid.

00:10:26.560 Who are we kidding?

00:10:27.880 Just last week

00:10:28.680 with her stupid little scarf 1.00

00:10:30.080 as she was walking her dog

00:10:31.740 she plays them

00:10:32.980 just like Princess Diana did 0.92

00:10:34.500 and it can be a dangerous game.

00:10:36.900 But if this pair

00:10:37.800 really wants to avoid

00:10:38.980 encounters

00:10:39.600 with the paparazzi

00:10:40.480 that are unwanted

00:10:41.260 then they should stop

00:10:42.660 cultivating that relationship

00:10:44.500 because it gets

00:10:45.820 a little complicated.

00:10:47.400 By the way,

00:10:48.160 not for nothing

00:10:48.760 but NBC News

00:10:50.280 is now reporting

00:10:51.260 that they have reached out

00:10:52.500 to the NYPD

00:10:53.860 and the NYPD

00:10:56.040 is saying

00:10:57.220 they don't know

00:10:57.860 anything about it.

00:10:58.900 All right?

00:10:59.620 This is what they actually

00:11:00.680 told local NBC.

00:11:02.760 Let me pull it up.

00:11:04.420 Stand by.

00:11:05.300 I'm going through my texts.

00:11:07.240 Via NBC4 New York

00:11:08.800 the NYPD

00:11:09.480 told NBC New York

00:11:10.800 they have no information

00:11:12.020 about any incident

00:11:12.800 last night

00:11:13.260 involving Harry and Meghan

00:11:14.160 but have received

00:11:15.260 lots of calls on it.

00:11:16.680 NBC has not yet

00:11:17.420 been able to verify

00:11:18.120 that the incident

00:11:19.400 took place.

00:11:22.120 This is sensationalism.

00:11:23.680 That's what's happening here

00:11:24.600 from a couple

00:11:25.600 that needs attention.

00:11:27.220 A couple

00:11:28.140 that complains 0.99

00:11:28.920 at every turn

00:11:29.500 about their

00:11:30.840 alleged security problems.

00:11:31.920 They have

00:11:32.240 a hundred million dollars

00:11:33.600 plus but apparently

00:11:34.800 they're not able

00:11:35.720 to protect themselves

00:11:36.420 like everybody else.

00:11:37.660 Like do you think

00:11:38.360 the paparazzi

00:11:38.940 are after them

00:11:39.460 any more than

00:11:40.060 they're after

00:11:40.600 Tom Brady

00:11:41.520 or Beyonce?

00:11:42.780 You know what they do?

00:11:43.340 They pay for security.

00:11:44.360 That's what they do.

00:11:45.580 They don't run around

00:11:46.440 complaining.

00:11:47.720 Taylor Swift

00:11:48.280 every time

00:11:49.380 Taylor Swift's house

00:11:50.560 has been broken into

00:11:51.360 in Manhattan

00:11:51.780 numerous times

00:11:52.840 by freaky stalkers.

00:11:54.160 She doesn't run around 1.00

00:11:55.200 playing the victim

00:11:56.040 releasing statements

00:11:56.820 about hope

00:11:57.580 woe is me. 1.00

00:11:58.860 Oh it was near

00:11:59.900 catastrophic.

00:12:00.940 I could have been in there.

00:12:02.120 No it's part

00:12:03.420 of becoming

00:12:04.240 someone who's

00:12:05.220 in the public eye.

00:12:06.680 Grow up

00:12:07.540 and stop

00:12:08.680 lying to us

00:12:09.700 because there isn't

00:12:10.380 a car chase

00:12:11.000 in Manhattan

00:12:11.620 ever

00:12:12.100 that's taken

00:12:12.980 two hours

00:12:13.960 through Times Square.

00:12:15.580 That reminds me

00:12:16.660 of the meet the parents

00:12:17.740 scene

00:12:18.120 where they were

00:12:18.800 doing a car race

00:12:20.080 which is akin to

00:12:21.120 I think to this

00:12:21.780 car chase.

00:12:22.540 This is how it would go

00:12:23.740 if you had a car chase

00:12:24.800 in Manhattan.

00:12:25.540 This is

00:12:31.720 stronger.

00:12:35.340 Oh no!

00:12:37.140 Ow! 1.00

00:12:37.760 Ow! 1.00

00:12:38.320 Ow! 1.00

00:12:46.180 Ow! 1.00

00:12:47.560 Ow! 1.00

00:12:48.180 Ow! 1.00

00:12:49.380 It's not

00:12:49.940 the armorource enough.

00:12:50.820 Come on, Frank.

00:12:57.460 You get the feeling.

00:12:59.580 That's how it would go.

00:13:01.400 You couldn't pick up enough speed.

00:13:02.720 Were they going to the Hamptons?

00:13:03.880 Was it an emergency car race to the Hamptons?

00:13:06.020 Because that's the only place that takes two hours on a Tuesday night.

00:13:10.760 Right, they're exaggerating because they like being in the public eye.

00:13:13.420 And let's face it, he's been trying to make her into Diana from the moment they started dating.

00:13:18.560 Remember early on, she had like a couple of paps following her and he released the statement like,

00:13:23.320 I'm not going to allow what to happen to her, what happened to my mother.

00:13:26.160 That's not what's happening.

00:13:27.840 Welcome to being a public figure.

00:13:30.180 Grow up.

00:13:31.220 By the way, if the paparazzi were really doing this, up on the sidewalks for two hours, endangering people,

00:13:37.340 these NYPD guys would have arrested them.

00:13:40.400 This would not have gone on for two hours.

00:13:41.840 So I will wait to hear from the NYPD.

00:13:43.420 I am very open-minded to a different story, but what they've put out right now stinks to high heaven,

00:13:49.200 just like everything this pair puts out into the public eye.

00:13:52.920 All right, let's get on to more fun and interesting matters.

00:13:55.960 And that is the one and only Roseanne Barr joins me now.

00:14:00.940 Roseanne, I'm so happy to have you here.

00:14:02.800 Thank you for coming on.

00:14:05.080 Thanks for having me.

00:14:06.080 I'm excited to talk with you.

00:14:08.400 Okay, so now can I ask you, are you in Texas?

00:14:11.020 I heard you live in Texas now and Hawaii.

00:14:15.160 Yeah.

00:14:16.320 Those are good choices.

00:14:17.120 I go back and forth.

00:14:19.440 Those are good life choices.

00:14:21.520 But now I didn't realize when preparing for this interview that you grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah.

00:14:27.040 I felt like I knew everything about you.

00:14:28.380 I don't know how I missed that.

00:14:30.100 So you grew up a Jewish girl in Salt Lake City, Utah.

00:14:34.020 Yeah, I say we were Jewish in Mormon, Utah.

00:14:37.360 My family stuck out like a sore thumb there because we only had the one mother.

00:14:43.840 So describe your family situation for me.

00:14:50.480 I know you have, I think, a brother and a sister.

00:14:52.340 Was it a good upbringing?

00:14:53.940 Was it like a happy childhood?

00:14:54.940 I had two sisters and one brother.

00:14:58.760 And I still have one sister and one brother.

00:15:01.580 I lost my youngest sister last year.

00:15:05.220 It was very sad.

00:15:06.760 My mother is still alive.

00:15:09.540 My dad is gone.

00:15:11.840 He passed on.

00:15:12.620 And it was a crazy family, a really kind of just out there family.

00:15:19.540 We weren't like other families.

00:15:20.900 And, you know, it was good for me because I wrote a lot of that into my comedy and my show.

00:15:28.000 We were different culturally and, well, just about in every other way.

00:15:33.940 But, you know, I was a stranger and a strange lion kind of thing.

00:15:40.240 And plus I was, you know, very dark and fat and short and everybody was tall and gorgeous and blonde.

00:15:48.000 So there was that, too.

00:15:50.420 And then when you were pretty young, catastrophe hit where you were hit by a car.

00:15:57.480 Can you, how old were you when that happened?

00:15:59.480 I was 16.

00:16:02.340 I got hit by a car on my way to school.

00:16:04.500 But, of course, that wasn't the first catastrophe in my life.

00:16:08.280 That was like about the 75th.

00:16:10.620 But, yeah, I was run over.

00:16:12.960 The car threw me up in the air.

00:16:15.620 I didn't even see it coming.

00:16:16.680 I was just crossing the street.

00:16:18.760 And it threw me up in the air.

00:16:21.380 And when I landed, my head came down on the hood ornament.

00:16:24.560 And then she dragged me under her tires for about 30 feet before she knew she had hit me because the sun blinded her. 1.00

00:16:34.080 So my legs were like hamburger meat.

00:16:36.960 And I was in, you know, unconscious and in a coma for a few days and semi-conscious for a couple weeks.

00:16:44.540 Had a brain concussion and a skull concussion.

00:16:48.900 And I had to have all these skin grafts on my legs.

00:16:53.160 And that, like, really, you know, like a lot of people who have, you know, really bad head injuries, it did change my life.

00:17:04.480 And I went through a lot of trauma trying to heal from it.

00:17:08.220 For about 10 years, I was in a lot of trauma because of, you know, head injury.

00:17:14.220 That's why I feel sorry for these football players and guys that play sports and get hit in the head a lot, boxers and stuff, because it really does do damage to your life.

00:17:26.120 Do you, like, it's sort of a weird question, but do you feel like you would have had the career you've had if that had not happened to you?

00:17:34.240 Was there something important about that in the person you would become?

00:17:37.540 Well, yeah, because I, well, you know, it changes you.

00:17:46.060 But after that, I got suddenly really, you know, a lot of people who go through that kind of trauma, they either become really introspective or they start doing things that are uncharacteristic.

00:17:57.980 And that's what I did.

00:17:59.680 And I started doing like kind of crazy things that I hadn't done before.

00:18:05.340 I became a full-blown hippie and I'd been pretty conservative till then.

00:18:11.840 So I kind of changed between night and day, you know, and I started doing full-blown hippie things like things that I would just go crazy if my kids did.

00:18:23.500 And, like, I hitchhiked cross-country and just crazy, crazy, stupid things to put myself at risk.

00:18:30.800 And I never feared anything.

00:18:32.460 I had no fear for anything.

00:18:34.460 And now I look back and shudder because I'm like, why didn't you have, what happened to your instinct of self-protection?

00:18:41.840 But that kind of was gone and I kept putting myself in dangerous places all the time.

00:18:46.840 And, but I don't know, I just got really, um, careless and fearless.

00:18:53.680 And so, uh, when I was 28 and I stepped on stage for the first time as a comic, which I always wanted to be, um, it kind of came in handy to remember being fearless and, uh, brazen.

00:19:09.700 And it helped me with that.

00:19:11.320 Yeah, definitely.

00:19:12.720 Were you always funny?

00:19:13.500 I was always funny because in my family, my dad was hilarious.

00:19:18.920 He wanted to be a stand-up comic and everybody was funny.

00:19:22.800 And that's how you stayed out of trouble.

00:19:24.760 If you could, if I could make my dad laugh, he wouldn't hit me.

00:19:28.460 So that I learned very, very early because I was always in trouble.

00:19:32.980 And, uh, if I could make the teachers laugh or the kids at school, I would be easily forgiven for all the infractions I did every hour.

00:19:42.280 I never, I never was a well-behaved girl.

00:19:45.060 I didn't understand anything about how the world works, which is kind of why I sort of identify with Harry.

00:19:51.960 Cause I look at him, Prince Harry.

00:19:53.920 And I think, but that guy never lived in the real world for one day in his life.

00:19:58.180 And then he marries this woman and she tries to get him to live in the regular world.

00:20:03.200 And he's so not equipped for it.

00:20:05.540 It's, I kind of feel sorry for him.

00:20:07.520 He's like that movie being there.

00:20:09.320 Remember that movie being there with, uh, that great comic that I can't remember.

00:20:14.100 Peter Sellers, and he's just like, just lost in the world.

00:20:20.640 And I, I feel sorry for Harry.

00:20:22.640 And that must've been really traumatic for him to know that that's how his mother died, that being chased by paparazzi.

00:20:28.700 It must've been, and he talks about having PTSD.

00:20:31.840 So that must've been really traumatic for him to relive that.

00:20:35.800 And, uh, I don't think that she has, she doesn't seem to think of him too much, but I'm really on this thing where I, you know, I have two grown sons.

00:20:49.320 And so, you know, I had to, uh, see the women they date and all that stuff.

00:20:53.880 And it really changed my, uh, view of women. 1.00

00:20:57.160 And so now I'm like really protective of guys and the women they get with, uh, I don't know.

00:21:03.280 I used to be the other way, but with grown sons, you change a little, you know, you have sons, right?

00:21:09.780 I know exactly what you mean.

00:21:10.900 Yeah, I've got two.

00:21:11.660 And right now I feel like there'll never be anybody good enough for them.

00:21:14.200 No, no one will ever measure up.

00:21:15.620 And you're, you're right.

00:21:16.860 Well, I have to say my son, my older son, he's got a, uh, uh, wife and they have a baby and I am so happy with her.

00:21:27.380 I'm telling you what I'm so happy with her.

00:21:30.280 You know, after I forced my son to divorce his first wife, I had to do a lot of work to get that going.

00:21:36.380 But then I took him to Jerusalem and I said, you better get over the wall and you better say a prayer that you get a good, you know, one that gets along with me.

00:21:46.860 Get over there and say your prayer right now.

00:21:48.620 So I forced him to go over there and, uh, he came back from the wall and I said, did you say your prayer?

00:21:53.940 And he goes, yeah, I prayed that the Broncos would win the, uh, Superbowl there.

00:21:59.200 And I'm like, even God can't make that happen.

00:22:03.160 But anyway, no, they did not win.

00:22:05.520 But, uh, I said, did you do what I told you and ask for the right woman to come into your life? 0.99

00:22:10.600 He goes, yes, I did.

00:22:12.300 Well, we got home.

00:22:13.700 It must not have been more than nine months.

00:22:16.200 Here she comes from Texas.

00:22:18.680 A Jewish girl from Texas.

00:22:20.440 Very nice.

00:22:21.380 Very nice family.

00:22:23.400 Thrilled.

00:22:24.320 My granddaughter looks exactly like me.

00:22:26.940 Acts exactly like me.

00:22:28.940 It's like a gift from God.

00:22:30.360 My son says, what kind of karma is it when you're raising your own mother?

00:22:34.920 And I'm like, oh, you so deserve that.

00:22:38.180 She's so fun.

00:22:40.300 You're so lucky.

00:22:41.420 It is hard.

00:22:42.140 I think, you know, my guys are still little.

00:22:43.860 They don't date yet.

00:22:44.840 But, um, I know I will disapprove of most of the girls they bring home.

00:22:49.500 And I know I will hold my tongue because, you know, don't do that.

00:22:53.780 Don't ever.

00:22:54.260 What do you mean?

00:22:54.820 This is my advice.

00:22:56.040 No, don't hold your tongue.

00:22:57.720 Don't ever hold your tongue when it comes to anyone in your family.

00:23:01.360 Because that's just sweeping your crap under the rug.

00:23:05.740 And then you end up with a huge rug in the middle of your house with a lot of shit underneath it that you're living with.

00:23:13.220 When you should be sweeping it out the door every day so you can have a clean house with no clutter.

00:23:18.280 You never hold your tongue.

00:23:19.660 Just learn to say things nicely.

00:23:22.700 Hmm.

00:23:23.440 Because I'd be worried, I think.

00:23:24.900 You see what I mean?

00:23:25.940 They'd choose her.

00:23:26.940 Like they'd say, you don't like her. 0.99

00:23:28.340 I'd be worried that they'd say, you don't like her. 0.97

00:23:30.300 Bye.

00:23:30.640 We're going to spend all our time together and I'll just exclude you from it.

00:23:33.860 And I won't talk to you about it.

00:23:34.780 While you can't say, I don't like you, of course.

00:23:39.320 I mean, nobody's going to go for that.

00:23:40.860 You have to say, well, what is it about her that bothers you?

00:23:43.900 And then say like this, you know, it kind of bothers me when you do this.

00:23:48.180 And I'd really like to resolve that between us so that we can stay close.

00:23:52.740 See, you got to bullshit like that.

00:23:56.700 I'm calling you in about three to four years, just as soon as my eldest starts dating.

00:24:00.640 We got to resume this.

00:24:02.660 You got to say, you got to say things nicely.

00:24:06.060 That's what I've learned.

00:24:07.720 That's the key.

00:24:08.900 Well, but don't hold your tongue.

00:24:10.480 Just say it nice.

00:24:12.320 So all of this, like it's starting to come into focus now, like how you wound up on the stage and how you were an instant hit and like given your past and the fearlessness and the need to be funny and just sort of your irreverence.

00:24:25.700 So, but before we get to that, can we just spend a minute?

00:24:28.420 Because you were 18 and you found yourself pregnant and you decided to give the baby.

00:24:34.700 Well, I didn't find myself pregnant.

00:24:37.600 You went and got pregnant. 0.99

00:24:38.840 But yeah, well, I've had sex because I don't know.

00:24:43.620 I just really wanted to have sex because I thought I should because everyone else was doing it, you know, and I just wanted to know what it was like and all that like everybody else.

00:24:54.360 And, uh, well, I, I read these books, never read books about anyway.

00:25:00.840 I know I'm kidding, but it's, I got it backwards because I'm dyslexic, I guess.

00:25:05.720 So I thought I was doing it on the safe days of my cycle.

00:25:09.480 Turns out I was doing it on the most fertile days.

00:25:12.820 So I had sex the first time I ever had sex.

00:25:15.600 I got pregnant.

00:25:17.360 I did that real good.

00:25:19.140 So, yeah.

00:25:20.260 So the, the sex I had, I don't even remember it.

00:25:24.360 And, uh, well, actually I do, but I'm trying not to, but anyway, I, I ended up having a baby and I gave her up for adoption and she, uh, turned 52 yesterday.

00:25:38.860 And when I, and I'm very proud of her, she's a wonderful woman and she has a wonderful son, Ari Rubin, who I'm very proud of, won the state championship in chess in Colorado.

00:25:51.700 You know, he's only 16.

00:25:53.820 He won the state championship in chess.

00:25:56.620 That's how smart he is.

00:25:58.280 I'm very proud.

00:25:59.440 Nice husband.

00:26:00.460 Very nice from Russia.

00:26:01.880 Anyway.

00:26:02.780 So, uh, I forget what I'm talking about.

00:26:05.520 What am I talking about?

00:26:06.500 Oh yeah.

00:26:06.880 My daughter.

00:26:07.760 And she's 50. 0.80

00:26:08.220 So, uh, I, I had her and, uh, I had to go to the salvation home for, um, salvation army home for unwed mothers where I had her.

00:26:18.520 And then I had to give her up for adoption, which was very hard.

00:26:22.940 And when she was born, she had, uh, one ear that was kind of misshapen.

00:26:29.320 It was folded over like my mom's ear.

00:26:32.220 And I thought, oh, God made her ear like that. 0.73

00:26:35.080 So I'll be able to find her when she's 18.

00:26:38.260 And I always said, and I told her when I, I got to keep her for two days and I told her, I'll see you again when you're 18 and, uh, I'll, I'll recognize you, um, from your ear.

00:26:54.060 And, uh, so that's why I kept my name Roseanne Barr because in my mind I was like, I'm going to be famous and I'm going to keep my name Roseanne Barr because it's on her birth certificate and she'll be able to find me easier.

00:27:05.480 So cut to, um, she's 17 and a half years old and I'm famous and she gets a phone call from the popper, from the national choir, by the way.

00:27:18.040 And they say, your mother is trying to, uh, well, that's a long story, but anyway, she gets the phone call.

00:27:25.920 Your mother is a famous star in Hollywood and, uh, she, she wants to meet you because see, they came to me and they said, we found your daughter.

00:27:37.700 We, we paid off the somebody in Colorado records, like they just did with, um, Rihanna and Rocky to get their kid's name.

00:27:46.240 Um, but anyway, RZA, which is cool.

00:27:49.060 But anyway, um, I was going to say Prince Harry and them, they ought to do what Rihanna and Rocky do.

00:27:56.000 The paparazzi hold, uh, parking spaces for those guys.

00:28:00.440 You got to get the right security and they'll be on your side, which I found out because I used to always be attacked by paparazzi too.

00:28:07.540 Anyway, so they come to me.

00:28:08.980 Every public figure's been through it.

00:28:10.160 We found your daughter.

00:28:10.900 Every public figure's been through it.

00:28:12.360 They act like they're the only two to ever have to deal with this.

00:28:14.500 Well, I think that, you know, he's probably been protected his whole life, you know, so he doesn't know what's going on to get in a cab.

00:28:22.160 Oh my God.

00:28:23.040 Anyway, so they say, uh, you know, and so they call her and she, she said she always knew that her mom would be famous.

00:28:32.780 It's she knew that since she was little and she looks just like Goldie Hawn.

00:28:37.160 So she thought it was Goldie Hawn and she, she got like all excited because she's a singer too.

00:28:43.280 And she thought, well, either her, Bette Medler, I sort of look like them.

00:28:46.960 She thought, and they said, it's Roseanne Barr.

00:28:49.660 And she went, I didn't even know she was a Jew because she was adopted through Jewish family and children's services.

00:28:57.220 She goes, huh?

00:28:58.320 Roseanne Barr.

00:28:59.120 I didn't know she was a Jew, which is hilarious. 1.00

00:29:01.460 But then she said she looked down at the coffee table and eyes on the cover of the inquirer that sat there when she got the call.

00:29:09.500 And she looked down at the inquirer and went, oh my God, because there was this, you know, fat girl on there. 1.00

00:29:16.960 And, you know, she was very Texas, beautiful.

00:29:19.940 She used a whole can of hairspray to get her hair foot high every day. 1.00

00:29:24.740 So she's looking down and she said, all of a sudden it started getting real clear to her that she did look like that.

00:29:30.480 And for me it was like, you know, I always trust, in my life I've always trusted God and I knew that I got that feeling that I would see her and that I felt that feeling was from my prayers being answered my whole life.

00:29:44.980 And so I wasn't even that surprised.

00:29:47.120 Well, so they set up the meeting and her and her adoptive mom, who's just her other mom, I say, you know, she's, we're not going to say biological or adoptive.

00:30:00.480 She has two moms who love her.

00:30:02.980 And so her and her mom flew to L.A. and we met in a hotel and I ran, me and my sister, we ran through the doors of this hotel.

00:30:13.100 And I turned to, turned left into the cafeteria and she saw me and we were just on each other like, we just knew each other for all those years.

00:30:28.820 And so the bodyguards grabbed us because we couldn't let each other go and they shoved us in the elevator.

00:30:35.720 We went up to the 16th floor and we just, you know, we remembered everything that we had gone through for 17 years apart is how I can say it.

00:30:47.060 She's been in my life since then and she lived with me for a while and then she moved on to start her life when she was about 26.

00:30:55.480 She's done real well for herself.

00:30:57.440 She runs a wonderful nonprofit organization called Billion Acts of Peace.

00:31:03.160 She's a wonderful person and I'm so glad that we reconnected.

00:31:09.520 A lot of young girls, 18 years old, would have made a different decision, you know, would have chosen an abortion instead of to carry the baby to term and give it up, which you know is going to be emotionally tough for you.

00:31:21.680 How did you think about that at the time?

00:31:23.520 I knew it was going to be tough because I thought, you know, I'm never going to even know if she's alive or if she did get good parents.

00:31:31.220 But I, I would always keep tabs on that Jewish and family children services there in Denver.

00:31:36.700 I always like to spy on people.

00:31:39.760 Consider not, not going through with the pregnancy.

00:31:41.540 Um, no, I lived in Utah and, uh, that, that wasn't a possibility, but even if it had been, that's not for me.

00:31:54.800 I'm not, you know, I, uh, that, that's not for me.

00:31:59.100 I, I, uh, I, uh, I have five kids and, uh, I said, one of my jokes is, hey, I should have stayed a Democrat because pretty soon they're going to make abortion legal up to the time they're 60 and I should have hung in there.

00:32:14.660 Uh-huh.

00:32:16.600 Well, I see, then you can kill your adult kids too. 0.92

00:32:20.160 Ha ha ha.

00:32:21.220 My kids are like, you know, my four older kids are from, uh, 42 to 52 and sometimes I'd, uh, you know, really like to take them to task and my youngest is 28.

00:32:35.280 But, uh, no, I'm glad I had them all.

00:32:38.280 And, um, I think we, I think we're way past the point where abortion should be anything that anybody thinks of because we have the technology to prevent pregnancies.

00:32:49.440 And it's just barbaric that we haven't come farther than that.

00:32:53.680 And it really makes me mad when they say women have the right to choose. 1.00

00:32:56.960 And then the choice they're talking about is that something so barbaric.

00:33:01.080 And yesterday when, you know, I say, um, you know, why don't they just, uh, clip little boys when they're born, you know, give them a vasectomy at birth that can be reversed when they grow up and get a damn job. 0.67

00:33:14.680 You know what I mean?

00:33:15.460 They could do something easy like that, but instead they choose this barbarity and, um, you know, there's a lot of reasons why they're all horrible, but we should be beyond that kind of a remedy for, we shouldn't even have unwanted pregnancies.

00:33:30.820 Hello.

00:33:31.360 That's ridiculous.

00:33:32.820 We can fake like we send a man to the moon and we can't prevent pregnancy. 0.99

00:33:37.460 Ha ha ha.

00:33:39.480 I remember.

00:33:40.740 Um, yeah, I know I have to fake laugh because there's nobody's getting my jokes, but I'm used to that.

00:33:46.740 They're getting, they are.

00:33:48.060 I remember, um, there was a scene in Roseanne where, uh, Jackie, you know, your sister in the sitcom was pregnant and you were in front of the, uh, little, you know, sonogram machine looking at the sonogram with her.

00:34:01.000 And I remember she was like, Oh, look at, there's his little toes and there's his little spine.

00:34:05.840 And you said, uh, or she said, it looks like he's wearing a hat on his head.

00:34:09.360 And you said, I think we know what happened to the condom.

00:34:16.480 It was great.

00:34:17.300 There was so many great moments on that show.

00:34:19.100 I have a couple of clips that I'll go through with you, but some of my favorites, because we watched it religiously, as I said, and that'll be our next chapter after I squeeze in a quick break.

00:34:26.480 And then right back to the one and only Roseanne Barr.

00:34:29.560 Stay with us.

00:34:30.540 She's with me for the full show.

00:34:35.820 So Roseanne, you, um, you get through this challenge.

00:34:39.060 You're young.

00:34:39.920 You're trying to figure out what's next in your life.

00:34:41.920 And eventually you start doing a little comedy.

00:34:45.600 You were a waitress and you decided to try your hand at standup comedy, which is very scary for any civilian out there thinking about getting up in front of a crowd and trying to make them laugh.

00:34:55.440 Um, how did you first start out?

00:34:58.180 What was the first time, like you stood up in front of people and actually told jokes with the intention of making people laugh?

00:35:04.180 Well, um, I guess I was 28 and, uh, I had been a cocktail waitress for about a year and I was always joking around with the customers there.

00:35:14.460 And, uh, you know, it was always in the back of my mind that I would either write comedy or perform it because it just came easy to me.

00:35:22.800 And, um, uh, I had written quite a bit of, uh, funny stories for magazines and newspapers by that time.

00:35:31.940 Anyway, uh, you know, um, but anyway, these guys that I was waiting on, they said, Oh, you ought to go down to this comedy club in downtown Denver, Larimer street.

00:35:42.160 And I went, what don't you know, they said, yeah, there's a comedy club down there.

00:35:48.460 And so I, I went, Oh my God, I got to do it.

00:35:52.260 Cause I had just seen this play with my sister about Gertrude Stein.

00:35:56.160 And there was this piece in the play, Pat Carroll was portraying Gertrude Stein as my favorite writer.

00:36:02.760 And, um, it was about your 28th year.

00:36:05.640 And it said in every life there is a 28th year and it isn't always when you're 28, but it's the year where you become yourself and you start to do what you really want to do.

00:36:18.000 It moved me a lot and, uh, I was 28 and, uh, so I went to the club the next week I got my husband, Bill and, uh, you know, he was funny and a writer too, had written a lot of funny things for different magazines.

00:36:33.680 Like me, we were both writers and, um, I said, let's go down.

00:36:37.220 Cause you know, I want to see what it's like.

00:36:39.340 So we went down to the club and I watched the comics and, um, you know, arrogantly, I thought, Oh hell, I'm so much funnier than any of them.

00:36:48.420 And I said, come on, Bill, we're funnier.

00:36:50.660 Let's go write the material.

00:36:52.020 We thought we were going to do great.

00:36:53.760 And then it took a year to write five minutes.

00:36:59.140 We thought it was going to be really, really easy.

00:37:02.440 Look how cute you are here.

00:37:03.860 You are adorable in this picture.

00:37:06.120 So you're 28 years old.

00:37:07.340 Let me see that again.

00:37:08.440 I'm 28 years old.

00:37:10.160 Yeah.

00:37:10.440 And Bill's 29 or 30.

00:37:12.640 Oh my God.

00:37:13.440 You're adorable.

00:37:13.900 We already had our three kids.

00:37:15.920 We had three kids.

00:37:16.840 You look like a 17 year old.

00:37:18.400 You know?

00:37:19.220 Yeah.

00:37:19.820 I had, that time was my, I had four children at that time that I had given birth to, you know, my oldest one is, you know, with her other parents.

00:37:28.960 But, um, yeah, so I, I was, uh, you know, during the daytime, I was raising my three kids at home and, uh, Bill was working with her.

00:37:38.420 I was working in the post office and then I would start going out to clubs and then I would start going out to clubs to the comedy store.

00:37:44.700 I mean, the comedy shop.

00:37:46.380 I mean, the comedy works.

00:37:47.920 So that's what they changed their name to in Denver, a couple of nights a week.

00:37:51.380 And Bill would take over at home.

00:37:53.060 And then me and Bill on the weekends would sit and try to write jokes.

00:37:57.360 And, uh, that's how it all started.

00:37:59.040 I kept on going.

00:38:00.420 And, uh, the first night I went up, that was in 1980.

00:38:04.780 First night I went up, I killed, I just killed.

00:38:07.500 And I was like, yes, I'm going to get Eddie Murphy money.

00:38:10.160 It's going to be so easy.

00:38:11.660 Second week I came back, died a dog's death.

00:38:16.000 With the same material, you know, but I think I got a little arrogant and I didn't deliver it right.

00:38:22.920 Whatever reason there was, you always have to look for the reason when you're a comic.

00:38:26.800 But anyway, so they got mad at me and they banned me for the, from the club then on that, my second night.

00:38:34.000 Just because you bombed once.

00:38:35.000 Well, hell now, what am I going to do?

00:38:37.340 That's not cool.

00:38:38.800 Just because you bombed one time?

00:38:40.080 Yeah.

00:38:40.340 Isn't that part of the process?

00:38:41.680 Yeah.

00:38:43.020 Well, some woman in the, in the, uh, audience complained about me.

00:38:47.220 She said my pants were too tight and I was offending women. 1.00

00:38:51.780 Oh, wow.

00:38:52.220 So they got rid of me, you know.

00:38:54.200 Okay.

00:38:54.780 You were, you were the victim of cancel culture a few times.

00:38:58.620 Nothing's changed.

00:39:00.120 Right.

00:39:00.720 It's always some bitch. 1.00

00:39:02.420 Anyway.

00:39:02.820 Anyway, so, uh, then I had to figure out how I was going to get better.

00:39:10.480 And, um, I, I started to perform all over Denver in unusual clubs that would let me perform.

00:39:18.440 I went to, uh, Unitarian churches.

00:39:22.000 That was a big one that their coffee houses, full lesbians and such. 1.00

00:39:26.920 And of course they'd never laugh at anything, but I still tried to get them to laugh.

00:39:32.540 And sometimes I could, and then I'd go to biker bars and then I'd be really rough language in the biker bars.

00:39:39.420 And, you know, you could get them to laugh.

00:39:41.420 I went to, uh, black jazz clubs down there in, uh, the inner city and they were the best audience ever.

00:39:49.080 I've ever been in front of still are.

00:39:50.980 And, uh, and, uh, then I got real brave on account of that because it was, uh, a hip audience that was very, you know, had, was well read.

00:40:01.640 And that added a lot to me.

00:40:03.640 And then I started going to, uh, punk bars and they would make me do my jokes in the mosh pit.

00:40:10.760 So I did that even with no microphone.

00:40:13.200 I was in the, in the mosh pit going, Hey, you guys, you know, screaming.

00:40:18.500 That's where I got such a loud voice from.

00:40:20.320 Um, and then, uh, and then some rock and roll people let me start opening up for them.

00:40:25.480 Jazz people let me start opening up for them.

00:40:27.680 And, um, I, then people passing through town, um, bands like, uh, you know, uh, oh God, now I can't remember nobody's name, but Dave, the Dave Mason.

00:40:39.340 And, you know, they let, they'd hire me to open for them in Denver.

00:40:43.280 I know at some point somebody saw you and said, you got to come on the tonight show, which is the big break.

00:40:47.860 I mean, that, that was my bit.

00:40:49.820 That was after four years of that.

00:40:51.880 And then somebody comes, Louie Anderson comes to, uh, Denver there.

00:40:57.060 And he goes, you got to let Mitzi Shore see you. 0.94

00:40:59.500 And Alan Steven, two comics that would headline in Denver and all the locals would open up for him.

00:41:04.780 They go, you got to let Mitzi Shore see you come to LA. 1.00

00:41:07.720 Mitzi's going to love you.

00:41:08.820 And, you know, in my mind, it was like Mitzi Shore was the God of comedy.

00:41:13.680 So I came out to the comedy store in LA, my first night on stage after four years of perfecting it.

00:41:19.940 Well, really five years, 85, I came up to do my five minutes for Mitzi Shore and I killed.

00:41:28.740 And, uh, Mitzi said, go do 20 minutes in the big room. 0.88

00:41:32.620 And the waitresses said that had never happened before where somebody went from showcase to main room in the same night.

00:41:38.120 Well, that same night, George Slaughter was there, uh, and he was, um, casting for a show he was doing about women in comedy.

00:41:47.760 That very same night, he booked me to, uh, be one of the stars in his women of comedy.

00:41:53.900 I think they called it girls of comedy.

00:41:56.380 And when I came back two weeks later, after I went home to get my kids, I'll suit, you know, sort it out.

00:42:04.080 So I could come back to LA in two weeks and stay for two weeks.

00:42:07.760 The night I came back to, uh, work for George Slaughter, a guy came up to me.

00:42:13.960 So I'd been in LA approximately two nights by this time.

00:42:17.620 A guy came up to me and he said, Roseanne, I'm with the Tonight Show and I want to book you on Friday.

00:42:22.740 And the Tonight Show at that time was like somebody coming up to a brand new comic and saying, we're going to feature you on your own HBO special on Friday.

00:42:35.040 You know, it was like the biggest thing that could ever happen.

00:42:37.440 And I went on Friday and my life changed.

00:42:40.720 I had been out of Denver for two days, really.

00:42:43.720 And, uh, my entire life changed that, that night on the Tonight Show, uh, Julio Iglesias was a guest and he asked me to open for him on an 18 city tour, which I did.

00:42:56.520 And then, then I got my TV show.

00:43:01.660 Then they found you.

00:43:03.080 I love the stories about you sitting out there with Carson.

00:43:05.720 And, you know, we picture that exchange with you being your normal, funny self and him eating it up.

00:43:11.100 And I know the truth was very different.

00:43:12.960 You were very stiff and intimidated by your circumstances the first time on his show.

00:43:19.740 Yeah, he, he waved me over from, uh, doing the standup to come and sit on the panel.

00:43:24.420 And I was like, oh no, I'm getting the hell out of here.

00:43:28.080 And so I just ran off stage and, um, I got, I ran into the car and I go, I got to go home.

00:43:35.520 I just got, you know, if I get really nervous, I'll get all tongue tied and I'll stutter, you know?

00:43:41.220 And I thought, I'm not prepared because I always want to be prepared.

00:43:45.240 I was so not prepared.

00:43:46.580 So then they booked me back for two weeks later.

00:43:49.400 I came on again and, uh, and they came to me and they go, Johnny wants you to come and sit with him when you're done.

00:43:57.700 And, uh, I'm like, oh my God, I don't have no material to do on the panel.

00:44:04.080 I'm not going to be able to run out.

00:44:05.880 I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:44:07.640 And I was just panicked, but I did good on the standup part.

00:44:11.120 And then I'm like, I got to go over there.

00:44:13.340 So I go over there and he's tries to set me up for jokes.

00:44:16.580 And all I can do is just go, thank you, Mr. Carson.

00:44:20.120 Thank you so much, Mr. Carson.

00:44:22.640 You have, you have changed my life and I love you so much, Mr. Carson.

00:44:26.660 I'm like the most boring, but then I got it together for my third Carson and I relaxed.

00:44:33.360 And, you know, I thought I was going to start crying and pee my pants there.

00:44:37.280 But anyway, how old were you then, Roseanne?

00:44:39.220 I got it together.

00:44:41.040 How old were you then?

00:44:41.960 I, I, I was, uh, 30, 31, no, 32.

00:44:46.680 Very, very young woman.

00:44:48.040 This is very shortly after you started doing standup.

00:44:51.920 So that it really was a meteoric rise.

00:44:54.180 And then you were spotted by, uh, the people who ultimately put together the Roseanne show, correct?

00:45:00.480 Like it was on your tour with Bobby Robinson that you were spotted by somebody who makes sitcoms.

00:45:05.800 And this was, of course, just to remind our younger audience at the time when, you know, there were very few options when it came to like your nightly television.

00:45:14.320 So to get a show, my God, it was incredibly competitive.

00:45:17.500 And your show, ultimately, I'll just jump to the, you know, the, the climax had 30 million people watching it a night.

00:45:26.840 There's nothing that compares in today's day and age.

00:45:30.520 Well, we actually had 38 million and sometimes 44 million a week to watch it.

00:45:36.300 And the thing that was amazing is there was only like three channels though, but, um, that Bill Cosby show was number one.

00:45:45.540 And, um, that, that was all the rage, you know, uh, this kind of rich upper class family of professionals.

00:45:53.900 And so they didn't know how my show was going to go, but I did, I knew.

00:46:01.320 And, uh, that's why I wrote it, you know, because I thought there's got to be a show about real human beings and real people on TV.

00:46:08.580 I thought that when I was a girl and I used to watch TV and I'm like, this is nothing like my family.

00:46:13.660 Where's the, you know, this is nothing real like any family I've ever seen.

00:46:18.860 So I used to have these fantasies as a girl.

00:46:21.520 If I'm, you know, when I grow up, I'm going to write a show and it's going to show real stuff on it.

00:46:27.080 So anyways, that's what I grew up and did.

00:46:29.620 And, uh, my show became number one in unseated Cosby as I sort of knew it was going to do.

00:46:36.320 And I was grateful because my prayers got answered then too.

00:46:40.260 It was nice.

00:46:41.040 You know, I only have a minute to break, but I understand that when you launched it,

00:46:45.660 instead of going to the pilot and seeing created by Roseanne Barr, you saw created by, I think, Matt Harris.

00:46:53.000 You saw a guy's name on there who was one of the writers, I guess.

00:46:55.940 Yeah.

00:46:56.220 What was it?

00:46:56.980 Matt.

00:46:57.360 Yeah.

00:46:58.160 Uh-huh.

00:46:58.560 Williams.

00:46:59.240 Matt Williams.

00:47:00.420 Which I have to say, like, it must've been absolutely infuriating to you as we've all listened to how the show was truly birthed.

00:47:08.000 And it wasn't by Matt, Matt Williams.

00:47:10.040 No.

00:47:11.040 And that's just the way it is, huh?

00:47:13.320 That's the way it is for women in Hollywood. 1.00

00:47:15.180 Hadn't changed.

00:47:16.000 It's gotten worse.

00:47:17.400 And I thought I, I just couldn't, I couldn't believe it.

00:47:22.320 I had about 15 nervous breakdowns over that one, but there's nothing I could do.

00:47:26.900 I tried to sue everybody, but as usual, there's not one lawyer in LA who will sue anybody with

00:47:33.320 any power in TV.

00:47:35.160 I found, but it, but you stood up for yourself, which is, I mean, that's saying something in

00:47:39.800 and of itself because at this point you're young, you don't, you know, you're new in

00:47:43.140 the business.

00:47:43.520 I'm sure you're thrilled you have your own show.

00:47:45.640 So it's pretty ballsy to even sue and threaten and complain, which you did, but that ballsy

00:47:51.600 doesn't begin to describe Roseanne Barr in all of her fullness.

00:47:55.620 Stand by.

00:47:56.500 Quick break.

00:47:57.140 We'll pick it up right there and we'll get into the show right after this quick, quick

00:48:00.840 commercial.

00:48:01.100 Before we get back to Roseanne, just bring you this quick news on a story that we've

00:48:08.240 been covering quite a bit here on the MK show.

00:48:10.260 And that is Fox news may have some breaking news.

00:48:14.520 Drudge report is reporting right now that they have decided on what to do about their hemorrhaging

00:48:20.260 8 PM hour, formerly occupied by Tucker Carlson, that they will be moving Sean Hannity currently

00:48:25.840 at nine into the eight o'clock slot and that they will then keep, uh, Jesse waters in the

00:48:33.940 prime time, which I believe means he'll move to either nine or 10, as opposed to staying

00:48:38.760 at seven.

00:48:39.340 And that Greg Gutfeld will also held head to prime time.

00:48:42.560 Greg Gutfeld is now an 11.

00:48:44.040 It's not really considered prime prime is really eight, nine, and 10.

00:48:46.700 So presumably they're talking about moving him.

00:48:48.880 If that's true, one wonders what's happening to Laura Ingram, who's currently at 10. 1.00

00:48:52.940 Um, they reached out to Fox, the folks at media, and, um, they said, quote, no decisions

00:48:59.540 been made on a new prime time lineup.

00:49:01.260 And there are multiple scenarios under consideration, but I can tell you having worked there that

00:49:04.940 Drudge always has the leaks on the lineup changes there.

00:49:07.980 He certainly had the one when I moved to prime time long before anybody else did.

00:49:11.680 And he's got impeccable sources inside the building.

00:49:13.820 So I'd be surprised if he were wrong.

00:49:16.700 Um, they need to do something.

00:49:18.140 I will submit for the record.

00:49:20.020 This isn't it.

00:49:20.960 This is not it.

00:49:21.620 Um, they need a voice like Tucker's if you hit like, and even that's probably not going

00:49:26.380 to do it because the audience is very angry and they miss Tucker, but Hannity is not the

00:49:30.460 answer at eight.

00:49:31.500 He's not the answer at eight.

00:49:32.800 He hasn't been the answer at nine lately since Tucker left.

00:49:35.660 We've been following the ratings.

00:49:37.300 Um, they're hemorrhaging at eight and nine.

00:49:39.880 We're currently is a Sean rate is right now.

00:49:42.720 And just by way of numbers in that, we now have it up to four weeks, the four weeks prior

00:49:48.260 to Tucker's departure, he was averaging a 3.3 million in the overall.

00:49:52.700 Now it's less than half.

00:49:54.480 They're averaging 1.5 million.

00:49:56.520 Um, so less than half than what Tucker got.

00:49:58.780 He was averaging a 429,000 in the demo, 25 to 54 year olds.

00:50:02.660 They're now pulling in 152,000.

00:50:06.220 And that times Latin Hannity is not much better. 0.99

00:50:08.120 He's at 158,000 in the demo down about half from 308,000.

00:50:13.700 Uh, and his overall is down significantly to all double digit falls.

00:50:17.740 So, you know, the audience will have the last say on whether these is the solutions, but

00:50:21.700 right now they're still very, very angry at Fox news and Fox hasn't done much to assuage

00:50:26.360 their concerns or make them feel better about firing their top star who remains under contract,

00:50:31.900 but silenced.

00:50:33.580 Um, that is of course, Tucker Carlson.

00:50:35.620 So more on that as we get it now back to Roseanne Barr.

00:50:39.820 Now, Roseanne, the show starts off and it's cooking with gasoline.

00:50:44.340 It doesn't start off in the number one position, but you got there.

00:50:47.180 How soon after launch?

00:50:49.120 Third episode.

00:50:51.000 Ah, third.

00:50:52.380 So what was it?

00:50:53.620 What was, what was the magic of that show that made it such a hit?

00:50:57.780 Um, because it just showed regular people.

00:51:00.200 It showed a regular family of working class people.

00:51:03.340 And, you know, that's who the audience is and that they, they always forget that, you

00:51:08.020 know, but, uh, that's who the audience is.

00:51:11.240 And they wanted to see, I thought they wanted to see themselves not being put down, but being

00:51:17.340 lifted up.

00:51:18.260 And so that's what I tried to do.

00:51:19.940 One of my favorite episodes of the show, I just pulled a little clip because it's something

00:51:25.940 I remembered all these years.

00:51:27.720 It just would make you laugh out loud at talking about real people problems and, but with a

00:51:33.720 sense of humor, not in a dark or sad way.

00:51:36.440 Uh, and it was the episode where DJ, your son on the show got into the school spelling

00:51:42.880 bee.

00:51:43.260 And we just had a, uh, one of our little guys win his spelling bee at his school.

00:51:47.620 So this is timely for my family too.

00:51:49.720 The funniest thing ever.

00:51:51.020 Here it is.

00:51:51.980 Sought to.

00:51:53.080 Go deed.

00:51:53.800 You can do it, buddy.

00:51:54.840 Be the word.

00:51:56.160 Sound it out.

00:51:58.480 Jeez, it's just a spelling bee.

00:52:00.800 Maybe to you, pal, but it's all we've got.

00:52:05.000 You need to be.

00:52:07.560 Fire!

00:52:09.260 I have a free buddy.

00:52:10.640 Oh, please, please let it be a word.

00:52:16.140 He knows.

00:52:18.040 David Jacob, your word is foreclosure.

00:52:29.380 For the listening audience, Dan Connor puts his arm around Roseanne.

00:52:34.340 They sit back.

00:52:34.980 They know a kid's got it.

00:52:36.560 Paid her.

00:52:37.220 Paid her.

00:52:37.280 Absolutely brilliant.

00:52:42.320 Those moments are belly laughs that you brought to us for years.

00:52:46.060 It's what made us all fall in love with you and John Goodman, you know, the Connor family.

00:52:51.200 They became like members of our family.

00:52:53.360 It must have been to the, to the outsider.

00:52:55.780 It seems like it would have been a very special time.

00:52:58.600 Do you remember it fondly?

00:53:00.320 Or do you remember, you know, the battles that must have also been going on behind the scenes?

00:53:05.220 Both.

00:53:06.220 I remember the performance on Friday that we taped in front of a live audience being just the best.

00:53:12.500 And that it made the previous four days worth it.

00:53:19.140 And those previous four days were a battle every minute, every day with writers, with producers.

00:53:25.680 Um, but I had a great crew and they pulled me through so many things and, uh, just so many things.

00:53:34.860 And, um, I'm sure.

00:53:38.860 I mean, my, uh, my, um, my allegiance was to my crew because my crew to me represented the people at home who, who, you know, were my fans and the audience.

00:53:49.700 And of course my real allegiance was to them because they're the ones who made the show and they're the ones who made me.

00:53:56.260 So of course my allegiance was not to any network people, but to them.

00:54:01.800 And still, what were the, what were the tensions?

00:54:03.640 Like what, what, what kind of a hard time were they giving you?

00:54:05.880 We talked a little bit about Matt Williams and them trying to sort of steal credit is, is, you know, from you, but what else?

00:54:11.280 What were, what were some of the power battles?

00:54:14.640 Well, they deal did steal credit and I tried to fight that.

00:54:17.980 I went to my agents.

00:54:19.180 I went to the network president.

00:54:20.960 I went to, uh, lawyers.

00:54:23.720 I went everywhere because I said, this is wrong.

00:54:26.140 And then they said, um, well, you waited 10 days.

00:54:29.700 You, you didn't respond within 10 days.

00:54:32.080 So, you know, you have no fight left.

00:54:33.900 That's what the writer's guild told me.

00:54:35.800 And, uh, at that time I was like, how am I going to fight this?

00:54:39.320 And once they won that battle, then the next battle was, oh, now you have to say what we tell you to say, even though I was the author.

00:54:47.220 And it was about my life and, uh, you know, every character in it was about my life or someone in my life, my own three children, my, my own husband, me.

00:54:57.740 And, uh, then they were going to start telling me what I was going to say.

00:55:02.260 And it was all sexist.

00:55:03.860 It was all backward sexism. 1.00

00:55:05.580 And I wasn't going to play it that way because I didn't come to TV to be a caricature.

00:55:13.620 I, I came to be an anti caricature of a woman, which was unheard of, of course, except for just a couple exceptions of other women who I love and admire on television.

00:55:25.940 But, uh, so I, I battled that and, uh, you know, they would keep the cameras on me and I said, I need it.

00:55:33.160 My lawyer said, just say, I request a line change.

00:55:36.280 And so I said, I request a line change.

00:55:38.740 And they said, no, you're not going to get it.

00:55:40.540 Say the line as written that went on for eight hours.

00:55:43.020 Um, and, uh, you know, they could, I guess they couldn't come up with a new line and then I'd say, well, do you want me to write the line?

00:55:51.840 And they were really horrified that I would write the joke because it would be funny.

00:55:55.700 And that's one thing they hate is funny.

00:55:57.980 And, um, so then I just said, fine, I'm going to just do it.

00:56:03.900 And then I just started writing and put in, put them in myself.

00:56:07.980 I just said, no.

00:56:09.200 And, uh, you know, they kept trying to break my back, but that doesn't work for, for a Jewish girl from Utah, a poor working class Jewish girl from Utah.

00:56:18.320 It doesn't work to try break my back.

00:56:20.480 So, uh, my sister who, um, was very strong too, she drew out a chessboard and she said, here's what you're going to do.

00:56:29.160 Here's their King.

00:56:30.240 Here's their queen, this and that, and the other, and you're going to take your guy and this and that and the other. 0.59

00:56:34.900 And I went, yeah, I got a game plan, you know?

00:56:36.960 And so I hung a thing on my door.

00:56:39.960 This was after the first episode when I couldn't get created by credit or even share created by credit in my creation.

00:56:47.820 I, I wrote a poster on my door and I said, these are the people that will be fired when this show goes to number one.

00:56:57.160 And I put all their names down, including the network president and everybody that I didn't, you know, that I felt had screwed me over.

00:57:04.940 And, uh, when the show went to number one, they were all gone, including that network president.

00:57:09.820 So I just, by sheer force of will and, um, you know, I wanted to say, having grown up in an apartment house with Holocaust survivors as a girl, I am not a person that, uh, can be broken. 0.64

00:57:23.600 And I don't know why, but I'm not, it must've been a little awkward when they came to visit me in your office and saw their names on a, on a kill sheet.

00:57:31.980 Did anybody, did anybody see it was on the back of your door with a, you know, big X over this guy's face?

00:57:36.680 Oh yeah, they all saw it.

00:57:37.800 They all saw it.

00:57:38.960 And, uh, they thought it was funny.

00:57:41.360 And, um, and, uh, you know, everybody thought it was funny.

00:57:45.640 And I left too.

00:57:47.000 Uh, like, I thought it was funny.

00:57:49.380 You know, I'd be like, these are the people that are gone.

00:57:51.920 And they're like, oh, you are such a.

00:57:53.600 Fun, funny person.

00:57:54.840 And as soon as it was number one, I'm like, I won't even have to remove them because they'll just get rid of themselves.

00:58:02.680 And the first, the first thing I did was ban the producers from the set.

00:58:08.200 And, uh, you know, cause I didn't want anybody there who was just there to give me grief.

00:58:12.320 And, you know, I wanted to be creative and funny.

00:58:14.780 I wanted to have fun.

00:58:16.100 I wanted to write lines for the other characters.

00:58:18.200 I wanted to, you know, create art for television for my viewers that I love.

00:58:24.480 And they just hate that.

00:58:26.900 You know, they hate, they really hate all talent because they've done their best to squash it and ruin it.

00:58:33.120 And, uh, but they particularly hate a woman who has it. 0.55

00:58:36.560 So I got a double dose.

00:58:38.000 But at the end of the third season, when I got rid of Matt Williams, they told me, well, he will be gone, but you'll have to wait this many days.

00:58:46.820 So I counted those down and, you know, that was a fight.

00:58:50.100 But, uh, when I got rid of him and I got my writers and I hired a lot of comics and people who had never had a job before as writers, um, gave a lot of writers their first job who went on to, you know, sitcom history.

00:59:06.160 Um, but by the end of the third, yeah, Judd Apatow, Osweiden, um, Keck Laurie, tons of, I can't remember a million other names.

00:59:17.440 Um, but at the end of the third or fourth season, I was very, very happy because I had helped to unionize the crew.

00:59:24.360 And I feel like that's my greatest accomplishment that they would get benefits, not just.

00:59:30.580 They really just wanted you to shut up and act and just be the actress in the lead role as opposed to the creator, the joke writer, all the things, all the things that made you a star who they solicited in the first place.

00:59:40.980 And yet, despite the behind the scenes turmoil.

00:59:43.580 Yeah.

00:59:43.780 I don't even know why.

00:59:45.220 I don't even.

00:59:45.720 And yeah, I was going to say, I don't even know why, why do they want us?

00:59:50.080 The first thing they do is like, you need to shut up now.

00:59:52.980 And like, they wrote Roseanne Connor as if she just sat there.

00:59:56.820 That's how they wrote my character.

00:59:58.500 I was like, Oh Christ.

01:00:00.620 Right.

01:00:00.800 That doesn't ring true.

01:00:02.140 I mean, the cast was absolutely brilliant.

01:00:05.120 And one of my favorites and everyone's favorites was Laurie Metcalf, the woman who played your sister, Jackie, who I don't know if she had a comedy background or what, but this woman would make you laugh out loud every episode. 0.99

01:00:18.520 And it's, it's a tough crew to hang with, you know, you're with Roseanne Barr, you're with John Goodman.

01:00:22.860 And I mean, I'd hate to have to be funny in your presence.

01:00:26.120 It would be intimidating and hard, but she, she bore the burden well.

01:00:29.640 And in another one of my favorite scenes as a mother, myself of three, I've thought back on this many times.

01:00:35.740 You know, Laurie was on Saturday Night Live for a little bit before she came on my, on my show. 1.00

01:00:40.440 Well, that makes sense.

01:00:41.280 She's very funny, gifted.

01:00:42.220 That makes sense because you could tell how funny she is.

01:00:44.320 But here's, here's the clip.

01:00:45.760 The first, the whole thing is funny, but the first line I have quoted a million times during the three of my pregnancies.

01:00:50.780 And I, I offer it now to the other women out there wondering the same thing that Jackie was wondering while very pregnant.

01:00:57.420 The actual actress was pregnant, I think, in this exchange in SOT 11.

01:01:02.460 Be the old child inside of me.

01:01:06.500 Look at me.

01:01:11.520 It's huge.

01:01:14.140 Yes, but you have a very pretty face.

01:01:17.840 No.

01:01:19.040 Look at.

01:01:19.480 What is that?

01:01:21.380 What's that?

01:01:21.840 How it's like that?

01:01:23.080 How, Roseanne, how is this going to come out of this?

01:01:28.860 Relax, Jackie.

01:01:30.100 These have been coming out of those for millions and millions of years, you know?

01:01:33.920 Muscles stretch.

01:01:35.700 Bones break.

01:01:37.440 I'm sick of being pregnant.

01:01:39.680 Well, maybe it's like a turkey, you know, and this comes out of the train.

01:01:44.260 Pressing the belly button.

01:01:45.920 How is this going to come out through this?

01:01:48.140 It's such a good question.

01:01:52.100 Well, we all find out, don't we?

01:01:55.460 Absolutely.

01:01:56.100 But what about Lori Metcalf?

01:01:57.340 Did you have a good relationship with her then?

01:01:59.900 And do you still?

01:02:00.780 I have no relationship with her, but we had a great relationship for the night, for those

01:02:09.020 10 years that we worked together.

01:02:11.640 We were very good friends.

01:02:12.060 Was she one of the ones who abandoned you after the whole cancellation controversy?

01:02:16.700 Yeah, that was just it.

01:02:18.840 I'm so sad to hear that, Roseanne.

01:02:21.000 I kind of hope she was one of the good guys.

01:02:22.720 You know Hollywood.

01:02:29.540 Yeah.

01:02:30.000 You know how it is.

01:02:31.600 Yeah, of course.

01:02:32.400 And then you figure out who your real friends are.

01:02:35.220 So that's the...

01:02:35.940 Yeah, you figure out you got none.

01:02:38.100 You ain't got no friends in Hollywood.

01:02:40.380 Well, is that true?

01:02:41.100 If they're going to make one dime more to slice your throat, you know, you ain't got

01:02:46.680 no friends.

01:02:48.080 Well, let's talk about it.

01:02:49.220 My only friends in Hollywood died.

01:02:52.920 That's what's horrible.

01:02:54.740 Well, wait, because I want to get into...

01:02:56.120 I thought John Goodman was good, but you'll tell me.

01:02:58.580 So Roseanne ended after nine years. 0.97

01:03:00.780 It was number one for most of them.

01:03:02.500 Then you did a couple of other things.

01:03:04.280 And then the Roseanne reboot comes back on, as we're seeing now with a lot of very popular

01:03:08.660 shows.

01:03:09.060 This one's called...

01:03:10.500 Well, now it's called The Conners.

01:03:12.620 But you came back and you were the star of it.

01:03:15.040 And then you got in trouble, as everyone remembers, for some tweets that you sent out about Valerie

01:03:20.220 Jarrett one night where you the next morning said you'd been on Ambien.

01:03:23.840 And you were apologetic.

01:03:25.540 You were sorry.

01:03:26.420 But I mean like that, they canceled the show.

01:03:31.700 And what was extraordinary in that moment, and believe me, I understand this personally now

01:03:37.620 on some level, is how your cast, your, quote, family, came out person by person and attacked

01:03:46.540 you.

01:03:46.960 In particular, the one I remember is Sarah Gilbert, who seemed to really want to hurt you.

01:03:53.000 She saw you were down and struggling.

01:03:54.920 And instead of lifting you up or at least saying nothing or saying, I love her, I'm out of respect

01:04:00.360 for all she's done for me.

01:04:01.660 I'm going to sit this one out, which was the bare minute.

01:04:04.620 She stuck the knife in and she twisted it. 0.93

01:04:07.820 So repeatedly, she repeatedly twisted it.

01:04:13.100 And she, it was her tweet that canceled the show.

01:04:21.260 And she wrote, it's sad when one cast member, that's what she called me, after she begged

01:04:32.060 me to come back saying, I've got your back this time.

01:04:34.720 I won't let anyone at you.

01:04:36.100 I won't let anyone hurt you.

01:04:38.240 I'm going to protect you.

01:04:39.460 I know, you know, you have mental health problems, but I'm going to be there.

01:04:44.520 I'm going to stand in the way.

01:04:46.000 This is all the crap she told me, you know.

01:04:48.220 And then she tweeted, it's sad when one cast member, something about racist, blah, blah.

01:04:58.960 And, and, um, I was floored.

01:05:03.260 I was just floored.

01:05:05.980 And, uh, you know, but she ends up owning my work and, uh, Tom Warner becomes her partner

01:05:16.560 in owning my work.

01:05:18.240 And, um, it's just so banal and every day in Hollywood, I can't even complain about it anymore.

01:05:26.800 Tom Warner tried to fire me the second week or third week of the original show because

01:05:33.540 he thought, you know, me running around trying to get my creative by credit was a pain in

01:05:37.420 his ass. 0.69

01:05:38.540 And so they tried to replace me at that time, fire me off my own show.

01:05:43.300 Um, but at that time they went to John Goodman, Laurie Metcalf and asked him if they would do

01:05:49.160 the show without me.

01:05:49.960 And they said, no, so they couldn't, they didn't dare fire me then, but they would have

01:05:55.180 had they done what they did the second time around.

01:05:58.580 I wouldn't have ever had a show.

01:06:00.340 I would have been fired off that too.

01:06:02.080 If they would have acted the same as they did the second time, but, um, because they

01:06:08.020 didn't act that way is why the show went on.

01:06:11.320 So cut to me coming back in the reboot, getting 28 million viewers who, you know, Disney didn't

01:06:20.040 care about them at all.

01:06:21.880 They canceled the show, uh, before even one sponsor pulled out.

01:06:26.340 But the really weird thing is, uh, saying about Tom Warner, he kind of got what he was

01:06:32.860 always after.

01:06:33.780 And I, I didn't, um, I didn't know it.

01:06:38.840 You know what I mean?

01:06:39.480 I thought, I kind of thought that I had caused a lot of trouble and that the second time around

01:06:46.400 I was going to be better, nicer, bigger.

01:06:50.100 I never thought, Hey, it's not you.

01:06:55.260 You're not the problem.

01:06:56.720 You never were the problem.

01:06:58.320 I, I always tend to blame myself being a comic or whatever it is.

01:07:02.700 But then I went to myself, why did you ever go back with people who tried to hurt you so

01:07:09.320 bad in the beginning?

01:07:10.360 And I was like, I tried to make it right.

01:07:12.940 And then I was like, why would you try to make it right with people?

01:07:15.680 I have no intention of making anything right.

01:07:17.680 They wanted to continue to hurt you.

01:07:22.140 And I never, it never even occurred to me that that was a possibility.

01:07:25.780 But one time I was in the car on the reboot with Tom Warner, we were talking about the show

01:07:30.920 and I said, you know, it's great how many people think of me as their mom and tell me

01:07:36.160 that every day, wherever I go.

01:07:37.860 And out of nowhere, he turned to me and he goes, I hated my mother and a chill went up

01:07:44.100 my spine and I thought, this is a bad, bad portend.

01:07:51.580 Cause you know, we were, I don't know, but, uh, then later I see that the guy who canceled

01:08:01.780 my show is, uh, you know, at Tom Warner's wedding.

01:08:05.560 So they were all, you know, they, I, I don't even know why they wanted me to come back.

01:08:10.660 If it wasn't just to set me up and steal, steal my show from me.

01:08:14.380 I, I don't know why.

01:08:15.940 Um, but that was the thanks I got for, um, bringing 28 million viewers per week.

01:08:23.080 Well, it went down to 17.

01:08:25.520 Making everybody rich.

01:08:26.940 I mean, they all got rich.

01:08:27.920 Thanked me.

01:08:28.740 And that's the thing about Sarah Gilbert. 0.99

01:08:30.160 She got rich and famous.

01:08:32.480 Huh?

01:08:33.640 I was going to say, I said, you made all these people rich.

01:08:35.440 What made me mad is that they denied me the ability to go on any of their other shows

01:08:41.440 to apologize to the audience for offending people.

01:08:46.160 Because like I say, well, I thought Valerie Jarrett was, I say I racially misgendered someone 1.00

01:08:52.020 I assumed to be white.

01:08:53.560 That was, you know, when I told the network, I thought she was white. 0.98

01:08:56.640 I never, I meant it as a political tweet and not as a racial tweet.

01:09:01.680 What's wrong with you?

01:09:03.400 And I said, let me just, let me just tell the audience what the tweet said.

01:09:06.280 Cause they may be confused.

01:09:07.400 It was a late night tweet in which you wrote it.

01:09:09.840 It was a picture of Valerie.

01:09:10.980 Well, it was a picture.

01:09:12.780 A picture came across up and it was like, you know, one in the morning and I don't see

01:09:17.620 so good, but she looked exactly like this character from a, uh, you know, a science fiction

01:09:24.320 movie and I captioned it, you captioned it Muslim brotherhood and planet of the apes had 0.91

01:09:30.760 a baby equals VJ Valerie Jarrett.

01:09:33.920 You, you apologize.

01:09:35.240 And I actually thought your defense was interesting where you said, I thought she was white. 1.00

01:09:38.720 I remember you tweeting.

01:09:39.660 I'm not stupid.

01:09:40.800 I wouldn't refer to a black person as the product of an ape.

01:09:45.940 I'm not so, you know, back.

01:09:47.860 Well, the planet of the apes.

01:09:49.740 I thought she was white. 1.00

01:09:50.680 Here's where everybody, they just.

01:09:52.260 Liberals are so racist that when they hear the, just the word ape, they automatically

01:10:00.220 think of a black person.

01:10:02.440 But in reality, what it was about was about what was happening in Iran because of Valerie

01:10:10.240 Jarrett's Iran deal, which is now happening in our country.

01:10:13.640 It was about a militarized police force, just like in that movie I referenced.

01:10:20.920 That is about a militarized police force, which goes after human beings, doesn't even assume

01:10:27.500 they have the right to read or speak and mass arrest them when they do.

01:10:33.280 That was why I made reference to that movie.

01:10:36.220 And you can see that my tweet was kind of prescient because that's exactly what's going on in

01:10:41.520 our country right now or soon to be.

01:10:44.280 And, you know, the Muslim brotherhood that Valerie Jarrett is a part of, and so is Obama,

01:10:50.920 are the ones who militarized our police force.

01:10:54.060 That happened under Obama's watch.

01:10:56.480 And they did it in Egypt, and then they did it in Iran, and now they're doing it here.

01:11:01.420 They do the same thing everywhere.

01:11:03.960 And, you know, I'm so glad that things are starting to come to light about what was done

01:11:09.960 to our country under that administration and continues under the Biden administration.

01:11:15.860 But, you know, people are not well-read enough to understand that tweet, and so they just

01:11:21.500 go, ape equals black person because they are so completely racist. 0.84

01:11:26.820 And in my act, I say, why didn't they let me go on The View to explain myself?

01:11:33.860 Joy Behar has done blackface, and they have no problem with that. 1.00

01:11:37.580 Why didn't they let me go on Jimmy Kimmel?

01:11:39.480 He's done blackface. 0.96

01:11:40.600 And they have no problem with that.

01:11:42.660 Why am I not allowed to go on there and explain to people that that was not a racial tweet

01:11:48.440 in any way?

01:11:50.180 It was a political tweet about militarized police forces that are all over this country.

01:11:56.080 And whether people want to see it or not, that is the truth.

01:12:01.580 Let me ask you about that.

01:12:02.460 I should say there is zero evidence that Valerie Jarrett's part of the Muslim Brotherhood,

01:12:06.800 never mind Barack Obama, who's not.

01:12:08.120 But I understand you're trying to make a political criticism.

01:12:10.100 Well, they're very tight.

01:12:11.060 I'm sorry.

01:12:11.660 They're very tight with people who are.

01:12:13.800 You can't deny that.

01:12:16.160 So, but what I want to ask you is why, because I understand this too, where they, you're wrapped

01:12:21.020 up in a controversy and you want to speak out about it.

01:12:24.180 This didn't happen to me on my departure from NBC, but this happened to me when I got ripped

01:12:28.280 for, quote, platforming Alex Jones.

01:12:30.700 And I desperately wanted to just go out and say, this is what journalists do.

01:12:34.860 Well, you know, Diane Sawyer interviewed Charles Manson.

01:12:37.020 She interviewed the head of the KKK.

01:12:39.520 Like we, as journalists, interview controversial people and we talk to them and we ask them

01:12:44.240 tough questions and we let the audience decide.

01:12:46.300 They wouldn't let me go out and talk about it.

01:12:48.540 It was very frustrating.

01:12:50.040 And I'm sure you can take your situation and times it by a thousand.

01:12:53.580 So what was their thinking?

01:12:54.840 Well, they totally silenced me.

01:12:56.640 They deplatformed and silenced me so that I couldn't even explain my tweet or apologize

01:13:03.620 to black people to say, I've lived my whole life as a civil rights activist.

01:13:08.780 I, I, you know, I fought to get my crew integrated.

01:13:13.640 I never would be on a show unless it had integrated crew.

01:13:17.220 I fought to get black writers on every show I've done, which was really hard to do at Disney,

01:13:24.120 believe it or not.

01:13:24.980 And, um, you know, uh, the fact that they would call me a racist really torques me off and

01:13:31.820 I reject it.

01:13:32.620 I don't take any of their labels.

01:13:34.480 They're all good, completely fake and, um, they're fake.

01:13:40.740 And, uh, you know, um, if you would look at the Obama guest list of how many times people

01:13:48.300 from Muslim brotherhood visited the white house, just Google it.

01:13:52.320 Well, I mean, that's a whole other story, but I think, but in my defense, that's what

01:13:58.320 I was speaking about to journalists in Iran when I tweeted that.

01:14:02.480 And it was taken out of context in a three month long conversation about the rights of

01:14:08.540 women and particularly women, business owners, middle-class women, business owners being dismantled 1.00

01:14:14.000 by the Iran deal that America made over there and also did during the Egyptian spring.

01:14:21.200 Let me ask you a question.

01:14:21.860 Cause you got canceled about five months before I got canceled.

01:14:25.660 And, um, it's been about five years.

01:14:28.260 I think I was the test case.

01:14:30.100 They could take me down so easily.

01:14:32.080 Then I was like, watch everybody.

01:14:34.360 Nobody defended me either.

01:14:36.180 And I said, watch, they're going to take everybody out now.

01:14:39.460 Everybody.

01:14:40.180 They're going to take all the comics and then they're going to take all the journalists.

01:14:44.000 And that's what they've done.

01:14:45.860 Yeah.

01:14:46.400 So, so how are you feeling about it?

01:14:48.340 And I think it was just to set, set it up to take Trump out.

01:14:52.020 It was all one big.

01:14:54.540 Well, you'd come out as a Trump supporter.

01:14:56.520 I mean, the reboot had you and your character as a Trump supporter and Jackie played by Lori.

01:15:01.200 Yeah.

01:15:01.620 I didn't think that I should play a Trump supporter on the show because in real life I

01:15:06.260 wasn't.

01:15:06.700 I thought that was too on the head.

01:15:08.700 So I really wanted John Goodman to be the Trump supporter, but he wouldn't.

01:15:14.000 Um, nobody else would.

01:15:16.740 So, you know, I wanted those two, I wanted those two opinions on the show.

01:15:22.040 So I had to do it.

01:15:23.560 And they targeted me from the beginning of that show of the reboot.

01:15:27.520 They targeted me because I liked Trump because I didn't love Hillary.

01:15:32.140 They hate when you don't love Hillary. 1.00

01:15:34.480 Well, but isn't it so great?

01:15:36.120 The Durham report that tells us all about, you know, every, everything that Hillary did

01:15:41.240 to Trump and to people who like him, including me.

01:15:45.460 And that whole cabal or whatever you want to call it, they, they don't want this opinion

01:15:52.420 that I'm speaking and that you're speaking.

01:15:54.980 They don't want any dissent at all.

01:15:59.480 No, you're not, you're not wrong.

01:16:01.900 The, the, the betrayal though, to me seems like it still looms large for you.

01:16:06.060 I can feel your frustration and totally understand it.

01:16:09.240 I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't feel that way.

01:16:13.080 I, I honestly feel, I was talking to James O'Keefe, you know who he is?

01:16:18.840 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:19.340 He's on the program last week.

01:16:20.900 And it's kind of the same thing happened to him, a business he built.

01:16:25.180 And, um, but I said, well, here's how I feel right now.

01:16:29.540 Looking back, I'm like, well, God took me out of there.

01:16:33.140 He, he took me out of there for my own good.

01:16:36.200 And I don't look back.

01:16:38.520 I don't, uh, I, I, it doesn't loom large for me.

01:16:43.180 It's just who they are and what it is.

01:16:45.720 And I tell you, I, I feel in my soul, I'll be around a lot longer than Hollywood.

01:16:56.840 I can't, I mean, like, it's one thing to, to fire you.

01:16:59.760 It's another to take your intellectual property, keep it rolling.

01:17:02.740 It's still on TV.

01:17:03.600 You have to watch.

01:17:04.320 How about that?

01:17:05.000 And then kill me off in a drug overdose, which is really, really horrific because Glenn Quinn,

01:17:12.740 who was on our show, actually died of an opioid overdose in real life.

01:17:18.260 And to write that off and to have me do it, to insult his family that way, it just makes

01:17:24.800 me sick.

01:17:25.440 And to have done that to somebody who a large amount of working class people and other people

01:17:31.140 too, all over the world looked at as a mother figure who always solved every problem with

01:17:38.620 love and understanding and humor to do her dirty like that. 0.99

01:17:43.660 But as I always say, well, Disney loves killing the mother from Bambi to me.

01:17:47.680 They do.

01:17:48.160 They love it.

01:17:49.280 They love it.

01:17:49.940 It's a joke in my family.

01:17:50.680 Even my kids are like, yeah, the mother dies.

01:17:52.440 Of course, it's Disney.

01:17:53.280 So the mother dies.

01:17:54.480 Let me just show the audience that clip because we actually have that moment when the Connors

01:17:58.200 came back.

01:17:59.680 Sans Roseanne.

01:18:00.460 Oh, do we have to?

01:18:01.900 I've never even seen that show.

01:18:03.520 Oh, no.

01:18:03.920 No, we don't have to.

01:18:04.920 Forget it.

01:18:05.260 Forget it.

01:18:05.600 No, let's not run it.

01:18:06.440 There's zero desire to retraumatize you.

01:18:08.620 They give me the creeps.

01:18:10.400 Okay.

01:18:10.800 Let's not.

01:18:11.200 I feel like a cold chill up my spine knowing what they did and how many things I did to

01:18:17.500 help them in their lives.

01:18:20.080 But I mean, in their lives.

01:18:22.480 The kids especially, they came, they were little.

01:18:25.180 You were like a mother figure to them.

01:18:27.220 And then the backstabbing.

01:18:28.700 John Goodman, I thought, I've got to ask you this because I know he came out in Variety

01:18:32.440 right after it happened or not long and said, I was surprised.

01:18:35.260 No, three months after.

01:18:37.420 Okay.

01:18:37.640 He said something three months after I was fired.

01:18:41.980 He said, I was surprised.

01:18:44.160 I was surprised.

01:18:45.920 And that's probably all I should say about that.

01:18:48.160 I know for a fact she's not a racist.

01:18:51.140 So you felt it should have been more, I guess.

01:18:54.860 Well, it was three months later.

01:18:57.420 I mean, he made his deal.

01:18:59.280 They all split my salary between them.

01:19:02.220 So it doesn't mean anything that he said that.

01:19:05.200 I mean, it might help him feel better about himself.

01:19:09.500 But I, I just can't believe it for really.

01:19:13.460 I mean, I told lies for those people.

01:19:18.800 You know what I mean?

01:19:19.720 When you lie for people and then that's how they do you, it's just like, oh, well, walk

01:19:25.140 away.

01:19:25.840 You just have to walk away.

01:19:27.620 It's like a sickness.

01:19:28.740 And I don't, I'm not going to be like that in my life.

01:19:32.320 I have never in my life purposely stepped on anybody or taken anything from anybody or hurt

01:19:41.640 them on purpose when, when I had my wits about me.

01:19:46.760 I, I, I believe in God and, uh, I could never, I could never look in the mirror had I done

01:19:53.560 any of that.

01:19:54.260 And at times, you know, the mistakes I've made or, or cruel things I've said, I've apologized

01:20:00.120 for and tried to make right.

01:20:02.500 I don't, I just don't go on like it meant nothing.

01:20:05.660 Like, like, you know, years of my life being intimate friends with someone meant nothing

01:20:12.080 when I got a dime extra.

01:20:14.340 I can't believe it, but that's Hollywood and it is an infection.

01:20:19.160 Sometimes I say it's an infection.

01:20:21.480 You can't heal from it.

01:20:24.180 No, it's a disgusting, dirty industry.

01:20:26.300 When you say you told lies for these people, what, what do you mean?

01:20:30.400 I told lies for them to, to, to protect them, to help them.

01:20:35.500 The cast?

01:20:36.120 When I saw, yeah, the actors, you know, when I saw they had problems, I was like, I, you

01:20:43.540 know, you need, you know, I'll help you get help and I'll cover for you.

01:20:48.500 And, uh, I did.

01:20:50.940 I'm not like them.

01:20:53.800 I, when I give my heart and my love and my loyalty to someone, it ain't fake.

01:21:00.880 I could, I can't be a fake.

01:21:02.760 If I, if I was going around being a fake, I'd be so mentally ill.

01:21:06.660 I, I couldn't remember what I said the day before who I lied to.

01:21:11.520 I have to tell the truth or I get mentally ill.

01:21:15.620 I can't bullshit people because I'll get mentally ill.

01:21:19.380 I won't remember the bullshit lie I told and I'll have to, you know, you chose the wrong

01:21:26.420 industry that you can't work like that.

01:21:28.740 I didn't.

01:21:29.220 I chose to make people laugh and feel happy and, uh, not be afraid to look at themselves

01:21:34.860 closely.

01:21:35.560 And, you know, I just went back to stand up.

01:21:38.100 I'm doing that again and I'm going to, you know, do a podcast and I'm more than thrilled

01:21:42.840 to be talking about, talking about a real life with people who've actually gone through

01:21:49.120 hell themselves and gotten over it.

01:21:51.720 That's what people need to hear now is like, how are we going to cope with what they're doing

01:21:55.780 to us, what they've done to us, what they're doing to our country, what they're doing to 0.97

01:21:59.820 these people who are coming here, what they're doing to the world.

01:22:03.300 How are, what are we going to do?

01:22:04.980 How are we going to handle it?

01:22:06.220 How are we going to breathe life back into people so they can get their, you know, brains

01:22:11.780 back in their souls and their hearts?

01:22:13.860 How can we heal all the horror in the world?

01:22:18.560 We've got to do it.

01:22:20.120 I really relate to what you said about, you know, it separated you from them and that was

01:22:24.780 a good thing because I, I, I don't like cancel culture, but I also see the silver lining

01:22:29.880 of it, which is generally it separates people.

01:22:33.300 Someone from a company they didn't belong at to begin with.

01:22:36.880 These were not your friends, not your allies.

01:22:39.440 They were fake friends and allies and supporters who wanted you to make money for them.

01:22:43.780 That was it.

01:22:44.640 And once you were politically problematic, they turned their backs on you.

01:22:49.860 I can relate to that.

01:22:51.100 And I do think ultimately you're better off.

01:22:53.560 Well, the other separate.

01:22:54.720 Well, I think I'm better off too.

01:22:56.120 But like I was going to say, Sarah Gilbert was on that show, The Talk, and it wasn't

01:23:00.600 enough that she stabbed me in the back and did what she did to me there. 1.00

01:23:04.240 But then she would go on her talk show every day and talk about how shocked she was at my

01:23:10.080 racism on top of it.

01:23:12.020 And it was every day.

01:23:14.520 And, you know, I had done that show when she needed a guest in sweeps.

01:23:18.880 I went on there every time she asked me in sweeps.

01:23:21.660 And I called her up and I said, just like this, you better shut your blanking mouth about 1.00

01:23:36.520 me.

01:23:37.120 I'm telling you, you better shut your effing mouth.

01:23:43.200 And then she did.

01:23:46.180 But, you know, my voice can be very scary.

01:23:48.680 And my son, you know, went on, he made a video and he said, if only my mom had molested

01:23:55.720 little children, they would have took her back on, you know, like they took back James

01:24:01.880 Gunn, who had a thousand tweets about molesting children.

01:24:05.620 They took him back at Disney.

01:24:07.700 And my son said, my son said to Sarah Gilbert, they all went to his big dinner after he'd already

01:24:16.220 copped his plea for taking advantage of minors as alleged prostitutes, which is not a thing.

01:24:20.940 You cannot be a minor and a prostitute.

01:24:22.380 You were the victim of a sex trafficking operation or a bad man.

01:24:25.360 You're a slave.

01:24:25.760 And they all lined up.

01:24:26.900 The news people and the celebrities lined up, not to mention the royalty, Prince Andrew,

01:24:30.940 to get back into his house for his dinner party.

01:24:34.000 I know.

01:24:34.960 And my son said to Sarah Gilbert, if my mother is a racist, then you shouldn't be making 0.89

01:24:39.780 money on a racist work.

01:24:42.660 Yeah, it's a good point.

01:24:43.660 And, you know, they just tried to kill me.

01:24:45.740 And I felt like they killed my character and my character.

01:24:49.680 But I thought they were sending a message over the airwaves because they knew I had mental

01:24:55.320 health issues.

01:24:56.160 I thought they wanted me to kill myself.

01:24:58.880 And all my friends did, too.

01:25:00.260 They said, they're trying to push you to suicide.

01:25:06.180 And Norm MacDonald, who was a good friend, died.

01:25:10.640 He said, I think they're trying to push you to suicide.

01:25:14.820 And Bob Einstein, he also died during that time.

01:25:18.840 He was a very good friend.

01:25:20.860 He called me.

01:25:21.440 He said, this is just unprecedented.

01:25:23.300 It's evil what they're doing to you.

01:25:26.020 And it really was.

01:25:27.600 Joe Rogan, too.

01:25:28.840 I mean, my friends came to me.

01:25:31.240 My friends did come to me, real good friends.

01:25:34.000 But none of them lived in Hollywood, you know.

01:25:38.080 Monique, too.

01:25:38.960 Monique was a very dear friend.

01:25:43.200 A lot of Black people in Hollywood that I knew and a lot of Nation of Islam people that

01:25:49.740 when I ran for president in 2012 that were on my campaign, they called me, too, and said,

01:25:54.900 oh, we knew what was going on.

01:25:58.180 And I said, well, would you say something on my behalf?

01:26:01.020 The Black people said, oh, hell no, we're too afraid.

01:26:04.320 We'll become targets.

01:26:06.920 So, you know, cancel culture.

01:26:08.580 It's not just cancel culture.

01:26:11.280 It's murder culture. 0.92

01:26:13.100 And they never stop, either.

01:26:14.720 They're not happy until you're unable to work and ultimately unable to live because they like

01:26:21.740 that jackboot ground right in your face. 1.00

01:26:24.480 I mean, these people are fascists.

01:26:26.700 They're not progressives or any other crap they call themselves.

01:26:29.980 They like to grind the boot right in your face in the dirt until there's nothing left

01:26:35.060 of you.

01:26:35.620 But like I say, that isn't going to happen with me.

01:26:39.760 Well, you're back.

01:26:40.640 And by the way, I mean, as you're speaking, I'm thinking about Tucker Carlson, what's happening

01:26:43.980 to him right now.

01:26:45.180 It's not enough that they hired him.

01:26:46.160 Poor Tucker.

01:26:47.160 Over nothing.

01:26:47.700 I said to him, I said, you, I can tell all you people that have been canceled now, you,

01:26:54.740 it's going to be rough for a while until you one day are going to realize that God took

01:26:59.420 you out of Egypt, especially on Passover. 0.60

01:27:03.820 I realize that.

01:27:05.280 And I talk about it a lot.

01:27:06.520 I left Egypt and it happened, you know, just around Passover too.

01:27:12.480 And that's kind of when everybody starts getting fired.

01:27:14.800 If you think about it, these people, they're demonic and they do know about dates and they

01:27:19.380 know about times of the year where they can do the worst things they do.

01:27:22.980 But, um, you got to look at it as God took you out of Egypt and you might wander in the 0.81

01:27:28.600 desert for a while, but pretty soon you're coming into the promised land.

01:27:32.260 Like you never even imagined it's total artistic freedom and the ability to speak to the people

01:27:38.900 you want to reach with no intercessor.

01:27:41.920 Just like when we pray, we can speak right to God with no intercessor.

01:27:46.220 That's how I feel.

01:27:47.220 Now I can talk to people and tell them it's going to be okay.

01:27:51.340 It's going to be okay.

01:27:52.220 Everything's going to work out fine.

01:27:54.040 Just around the corner.

01:27:55.240 Don't give up now.

01:27:56.600 Trust me.

01:27:57.420 Don't give up now.

01:27:59.240 Well, I agree with every word you just said.

01:28:02.000 Um, stand by.

01:28:03.200 We're going to take one last break and then we'll finish up with Roseanne on what's happening

01:28:07.080 now and what her next chapter looks like.

01:28:10.640 What is a woman? 1.00

01:28:12.020 I'll tell you what a woman is. 1.00

01:28:13.380 A woman is me. 0.99

01:28:19.840 That's what a woman is. 1.00

01:28:21.320 Okay.

01:28:22.220 A woman is someone who cleans up everybody else's shit. 1.00

01:28:26.940 That's what a woman is. 1.00

01:28:29.480 A woman is somebody whose boobs hang down to her knees with a prolapsed uterus from giving 1.00

01:28:36.080 birth to five ungrateful little privileged bastards that have never had to work for anything 0.98

01:28:40.540 in their whole damn life. 0.53

01:28:42.040 My pronouns are kiss my ass.

01:28:57.820 Amazing.

01:28:58.940 That's Roseanne Barr in a special for Fox Nation called Roseanne Barr Cancel This. 1.00

01:29:04.400 Um, and that was the clip about what is a woman.

01:29:06.780 Roseanne Barr, you are back.

01:29:08.120 Oh, and I love your hat.

01:29:09.720 She's wearing the red hat.

01:29:10.500 I saw you wearing it.

01:29:11.960 So I got it.

01:29:13.180 I love it.

01:29:14.420 God bless Kelly J. Keene.

01:29:16.320 She's leading us back to truth and science and reality.

01:29:20.260 The hat for the listening audience is, um, make women female again, which I had on in a 1.00

01:29:24.840 picture a couple of weeks ago.

01:29:25.900 And Roseanne has a beautiful one on her head right now.

01:29:28.480 And I recommend it to everybody because it speaks the truth.

01:29:31.400 Yeah.

01:29:32.180 Yeah.

01:29:32.400 That's that, that was a nightmare too.

01:29:34.600 And Hollywood was that it all started with my whole problem with the 10th season.

01:29:39.760 And they put me through this gauntlet and it was all about trans issues. 0.89

01:29:44.940 Um, I don't know if we have time to do it, to go into it, but, uh, I once, um, took the

01:29:50.960 side of little girls in a sauna against this person, Colleen Francis, who was a trans, but 1.00

01:29:56.920 pre-op trans who sat in the sauna with girls between seven and 10 years old and didn't cover

01:30:04.040 her penis. And, um, like I say in my act, women, you've got to start covering your penises if you're 1.00

01:30:11.820 around little children. That's my advice to women. 1.00

01:30:14.680 We don't ask for much.

01:30:17.080 Yeah, but, uh, she didn't. And the parents called the police and the university ended up taking

01:30:22.520 her side, of course, against the parents and the children. But, um, I took the children's side

01:30:28.860 and that really made the trans hate me. And the first thing they asked me at Disney when I

01:30:34.020 came back was to apologize to the GLBTQ, uh, community for my transphobic remarks, which I

01:30:42.100 refused to do. Cause I said, yeah, we can't tell kids that they have the right to their own bodies

01:30:49.780 and then tell them that what, what exactly are you trying to say here? So they went after me

01:30:56.140 because of that too. Cause Scott's waves then in there as well. So in, in the time we have

01:31:02.620 together, what, how are you now? Like you're doing your comedy specials aired on Fox nation.

01:31:07.600 How are you feeling? How's, how's life going for you?

01:31:11.640 I have a joyful life. I have a joyful life and I am so grateful. My mother's 89 years old.

01:31:23.280 Uh, I have her, I have five beautiful children. I have eight grandchildren. I have my health. I have

01:31:33.220 my sanity. I have peace. Uh, I think things are funny again. I'm hanging out with comics at Joe

01:31:40.300 Rogan's mothership in Austin. They're so nice to me. Joe is wonderful to me. The audience loves my jokes

01:31:48.480 and I'm just telling them off cause they're young and I'm telling them you have no idea how bad it's

01:31:55.060 going to get you kids and they love it. And, uh, I think I've entered into my wise old woman,

01:32:02.160 grandmother phase and I, I couldn't be more blessed. I just thank God. And you are a great interviewer

01:32:10.040 and I'm so glad I was on your show. Oh, Roseanne. Thank you so much for saying that. It's an honor

01:32:15.680 to meet you. I'm sorry for all the shit that's been thrown your way, but I love to see you

01:32:20.560 emerging. I'm sorry for the shit you've gone through too. And it's great to see the great

01:32:25.640 interviewer you are with such kindness and compassion. Thank you. Lots of love. I hope

01:32:30.660 you come back and I hope to come see you down in Austin at Joe Rogan's club. That would be a thrill.

01:32:34.980 Please do. Uh, lots of love to be continued. And we finished the show today with an update on

01:32:40.940 Harry and Megan and paparazzi gate new from NBC for reporting in a subsequent statement provided

01:32:47.840 to them by the NYPD. The police said on Wednesday evening, May 16th. So it was in the wee hours of

01:32:53.980 Wednesday. The NYPD assisted the private security team protecting the Duke and Duchess. There were

01:33:00.160 numerous photographers that made their transport challenging. Okay. Not near catastrophic, but

01:33:06.980 challenging. The Duke and Duchess arrived at their destination and there were no reported

01:33:11.620 collisions, summonses, injuries, or arrests in regard. That is the NYPD dumping all over their

01:33:18.960 catastrophic claims saying they were essentially little scared. So we helped them out. That's what

01:33:23.780 happened. It's these two who are catastrophizing, trying to play on people's sympathies as Harry's

01:33:29.700 over there in the UK filing lawsuits and trying to make claims that he needs to be provided with

01:33:34.260 security or else. Page six ads amid the scary pursuit, Harry and Megan and her mom were brought

01:33:40.840 to the 19th precinct. That's on the Upper East side where they remain for 15 minutes, said law

01:33:46.280 enforcement sources to NBC. The insiders claim that with the help of cops, the trio were then brought

01:33:50.620 to a taxi safely escorted to their Upper East side destination without being followed. They remain

01:33:56.340 in New York after the harrowing occurrence. A source told page six, noting they are still upset to say

01:34:01.520 the least. Okay. So it took them two hours to get to the Upper East side from 54th street in

01:34:07.580 Midtown Manhattan, two hours. This is absolutely ridiculous. I stand by my assessment that they have

01:34:14.380 made a mountain out of a molehill. Being a public figure can involve having your picture taken. You

01:34:19.660 should know because you orchestrate it most of the time. Sorry, but you invite these people into your

01:34:24.800 life and there they are. Whether you want them or not, you're fine. Grow up. Okay. Thank you all so

01:34:31.380 much for listening. Go ahead and download the show and subscribe at youtube.com and we'll talk more

01:34:35.020 tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 17, 2023

Roseanne Barr on Toxic Hollywood Betrayals and Surviving Cancel Culture, Plus Harry and Meghan's Paparazzi Ploy ｜ Ep. 552

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