Megan Kelly talks snow days, the Biden Student Loan Forgiveness Program, and why she thinks the Supreme Court will strike down the plan to forgive student loan debt. Plus, the 2020 Democratic primary is heating up and Ron DeSantis is looking like a potential contender.
00:03:54.500He knows he doesn't have these powers.
00:03:56.800And yet that's not how the media is reporting it.
00:03:58.640The media is basically saying, if the if these nine elite justices have the nerve to take away this forgiveness plan from these needy students, there will be hell to pay.
00:04:24.860But, you know, like back back to the issue.
00:04:26.780Honestly, Megan, I mean, I don't think you actually need to be F. Lee Bailey to figure out that, like, when the government in the executive branch just appropriates a trillion dollars from one side of the community to the other without the legislative branch, that seems a touch unconstitutional to me.
00:04:47.440And then the whole the whole thing about it being a plan, they keep calling it Biden's plan or his program like this was something that he lobbied for and got through Congress.
00:04:55.460Yeah. Right. Like, it's not just an executive order that with like a pen, he can be like, oh, trillion dollars is going to these people.
00:05:00.880My voters. Well, thought the CNN tweet was as follows.
00:05:05.720The fate of Biden's student loan forgiveness program.
00:05:08.940Again, misnomer that would impact scores of borrowers from a wide array of colleges and socioeconomic backgrounds.
00:05:17.300In other words, these are the poorest of the poor, not rich lawyers.
00:05:20.340Don't believe your loving eyes. Right.
00:05:21.980OK. Lies in the hands of nine relatively wealthy people who graduated from a short list of elite private schools.
00:05:53.300Oh, whether this is something that that befits an organization or people that we have sympathy for.
00:05:59.280Right. I mean, it's mind blowing to me also that they can constantly delete the presence of Clarence Thomas on this court.
00:06:08.460As if this is someone if you've done even a cursory amount of background on, you understand that this is not a man from privilege.
00:06:16.880This is certainly not somebody who you could put in a in a thimble of elite in this country.
00:06:23.200Right. Probably the most unbelievable story to the rise of Supreme Court in the history of justices.
00:06:28.900I mean, Smug, you've been all over that.
00:06:30.300That's that's the thing that really upset me about, you know, trying to describe these as privileged individuals.
00:06:35.180I've mentioned it before on the show. There's a really great documentary about Clarence Thomas.
00:06:39.220And one of the things that you learn is at one point, all of his possessions fit in a small paper bag when he was moving from his grandmother's house.
00:06:47.540Everything he owned in the world fit in a brown paper bag.
00:06:50.000And the man became a Supreme Court justice.
00:06:51.900That's a triumph of this country. And now they're attacking him as being privileged and not these college kids who refuse to pay the debts that they willingly took on.
00:07:00.920And another point of when you try to make this a socioeconomic thing, the data shows the vast majority of people who would benefit from the student loan forgiveness are wealthy, liberal, white, elite students.
00:07:14.000Right. They've taken out massive loans for these schools for for degrees that clearly can't generate any sort of an income that would allow them to pay back such a massive loan.
00:07:23.360So why should the rest of Americans be on the hook for them?
00:07:26.340And it's outlandish. It's it's unbelievable. And like you mentioned, Megan, what makes it so much worse is the way that the media has tried to portray this.
00:07:35.320Those there's one reporter who I saw this morning, Stephen Mazie, who's the Supreme Court reporter for The Economist.
00:07:40.260This is supposed to be someone who sticks to the facts. He's the worst. He's the worst.
00:07:43.820This is essentially an activist when he says that, you know, if these people decide not to go with student loan forgiveness, it'll make the Supreme Court, which is already being questioned, more unpopular.
00:07:54.720He's undermining the Supreme Court of the United States after a left wing lunatic tried to assassinate Justice Kavanaugh.
00:08:02.760And they're continuing their attacks and saying that the Supreme Court is supposed to be some kind of a popularity contest by giving handouts to Biden voters.
00:08:08.860Right. You are out of the running for prom king. That's it. You author this decision. It's done.
00:08:13.680This is why Thomas's background is so inconvenient to their narrative. And they knew this was coming.
00:08:21.220I mean, this is why Joe Biden worked overtime to block Thomas from the Supreme Court back in the 90s.
00:08:26.740They remember all the things they all the lies they told about him, everything they did to try to stop him because they knew that his mere existence was completely debunked.
00:08:37.840To the fiction of their narrative about everything in our society. And, you know, if you want to talk about elite private schools, just look at some of the northeastern schools with $80,000 tuitions that maybe most listeners haven't even heard of with these elite students who come from Manhattan and places like Connecticut.
00:08:56.060Yeah, that's true. I prefer to refer to it as New England, if you don't mind. Extra snooty, but with fireplaces.
00:09:09.680No, but you're so right. And a nice leftover lasagna.
00:09:12.900To me, it's so aggravating. You know, it's like I did not come from a family with tons of dough. My dad died when I was in high school. My mom was a nurse. My mom had to put my brother, my sister and me through college with my dad's insurance money.
00:09:24.120Um, I had a lot of debt. I put myself through law school and the, and I had a hundred thousand dollars of debt when I got out of that school. And you know what I did? I got a job. I, I wanted to be a DA. That's what I wanted to do, but it paid $30,000 a year.
00:09:39.900And I had a hundred grand in debt and I was tired of being poor. So I sold out and I went to the big law firm and I made $85,000 a year my first year out. It was amazing. I felt like such a success story and I paid off my debt in five years.
00:09:55.180And I was very proud of myself for doing that. Now, yes, if, if Biden had swooped in, maybe I'd be a DA. How would the left like that? Me as a DA in New York City, I don't think they would have liked that better.
00:10:06.740I'd love to see that. That would be, that's what most people do.
00:10:10.400Yeah. And then, I mean, it presents a moral hazard question. We're going forward. If things like this are allowed, what's next? Blue states that voted for Biden, their mortgages, the rest of us have to start paying for them.
00:10:20.720There's no limit to what they're asking for. It was rent forgiveness, student loan forgiveness. They essentially want to turn half this country into a piggy bank for the other half because it benefits this administration politically.
00:10:31.980That's such a good point. That's such a good point. At what point are we going to talk when we talk about student loans? Are we going to talk about the obligations of the universities and colleges?
00:10:40.740I mean, the idea that all of a sudden the taxpayer is just sort of saddled with these enormous costs. Let's just throw the constitutionality out entirely. Let's just say this happens.
00:10:49.720All of a sudden, the American taxpayer is saddled with these huge costs of higher education for this country, and nobody has asked for a price tag.
00:11:24.320So meantime, speaking of spending money that we don't have with no accountability, it hit the news today that, you know, San Francisco and California too, but San Francisco has got its own task force on reparations.
00:11:35.460And San Francisco is recommending, its task force has recommended $5 million for the black people in San Francisco.
00:11:44.680And California is going to follow suit.
00:11:46.420They've got their own task force about to make a similar recommendation, though we don't know the numbers there.
00:11:49.980And the requirements to get it do not require you to show that you are the descendant of a slave because slavery was never allowed in California.
00:11:59.360You basically just have to be black or be identifying as black for the past 10 years.
00:13:21.160But I mean, back to the point of the David Sachs world, like, you know, California is looking at now taxing former residents of California who flee.
00:51:11.140It's the thing that it looks like a pattern because he was suffering very clearly in the aftermath of that stroke.
00:51:16.240And this woman seemed to be power hungry.
00:51:19.220She seemed to be dragging him across the finish line along with these other Dems who were going to get that seat come hell or high water.
00:51:26.260And now they have the nerve to talk about the Republicans as though they're being really cruel about this whole Fetterman thing.
00:51:33.340Like they're being really heartless in even raising any questions at all about his mental health or his health in general.
00:51:38.780And it's like I was reading this thinking the Republicans are being cruel.
00:51:41.980First of all, the Republicans are not mocking Fetterman for having had a stroke or having depression.
00:51:46.240They're wondering whether he was properly elected, whether he should have been dragged across the finish line, or whether this is just a pack of vultures around him.
00:51:55.360And you've got instead the Democrats looking at the Republicans like, how could you?
00:52:10.960They could have taken better care of him, and they could have put somebody else up for that very, very stressful experience between the summer and the fall.
00:52:20.020And the truth is they probably wanted to, right?
00:52:22.020I mean, there was no public reports that would indicate that.
00:52:24.520But they actually recruited a challenger to Fetterman who they thought was, as a sitting congressman, Conor Lamb, a much more formidable candidate against Oz or whomever than Fetterman himself.
00:52:37.660And so I'm certain the conversation was had, which makes all of this so much worse, right?
00:52:43.440Because you expect, at some level, the Democratic Party and Chuck Schumer and all those folks to be soulless, completely power-hungry idiots without the best interest of John Fetterman in mind.
00:52:53.800What you do not expect is that John Fetterman's wife would be down for the ride, which she clearly was throughout.
00:53:00.820And now you see this post-election, after everybody had assured us that he's totally fine, and he's wandering the halls of the Senate, I mean, literally incoherent.
00:53:13.240They're trying to figure out ways for him to be able to read and follow along.
00:53:16.820But there's no clear indication that that's even true.
00:53:19.360And that's, I mean, I think this is conjecture, but I assume him grappling with his own limitations, many of which could possibly be permanent, is where this clinical depression comes into play.
00:53:29.940Because, like, when you have a stroke, there is a six-month window where you can get back from cognitive function and ability.
00:53:37.240After six months, if you read any medical journal or anything, after six months, it gets much, much, much more difficult.
00:53:42.320After six months is pretty much where you're going to shake out, back with your cognitive function.
00:53:47.320And so I think he has to wrestle with the fact that he could have ruined his chances to gain back more function by continuing on with this very stressful job of running for the United States Senate.
00:53:59.200And maybe his wife had something to do with that.
00:54:11.780He's not facing any kind of a setback that, you know, in six months he'll be completely normal.
00:54:15.560And what he has, like, because during the debate, which, I mean, I think that debate told you everything about what the condition was like and, like, how outlandish it is to force this guy to continue running.
00:54:28.000Journalists said that, oh, this is completely normal.
00:54:30.080He's being given, you know, special allowments.
00:54:32.400Like, he can read what is being said during the debate.
00:54:35.700It's no different than if you needed glasses or a hearing aid.
00:54:38.280We're seeing that it is quite different.
00:54:52.040I expect that from the leaders of the Democratic Party.
00:54:55.500What blows my mind is that you've got this lady who claims to be, you know, in love with this guy who's been along for the ride the whole way.
00:55:03.160And then the moment he checks himself into Walter Reed, which, by the way, if you're checking in inpatient for depression, a very serious thing is going on here.
00:55:11.480And she is all of a sudden taken to Canada, go ziplining with the kids.
00:55:15.400Like, look, I understand as a mom, as a parent, you have an obligation to try to keep your kids mentally and and, you know, prepared for what's happening to their father.
00:57:05.620You have no introspection whatsoever about taking a man who is basically fighting for his life during the course of a campaign, knowing that you were talking about like a six month window for him to actually recover, putting him in probably the most stressful environment that you can have as a professional in this country.
00:57:21.980And then coming out the back end in a bad spot, being checked in and all these guys are like, oh, he's a Republican.
00:57:28.020How the hell do you make that a partisan issue?
00:57:30.340It's like so much of the left wing now is just emotional blackmail.
00:57:33.980If you don't do what we say, you are cruel or a racist, heartless.
00:57:39.060So they did this whole charade during the campaign where they said, if you ask any questions of whether this man is fit to serve, you're cruel.
00:59:15.700Well, you know, the other side would say, how does, how does Ketanji Jackson Brown, Brown Jackson ever have nice comments to say about Cruz and Hawley and Graham and Blackburn?
00:59:26.680They asked her about her policy positions.
00:59:54.580So tell me where my false equivalency is right now.
00:59:56.700That asking Ketanji Brown Jackson about her rulings on people who look at child porn is in some way comparable to calling Brett Kavanaugh a gang rapist.
01:00:09.060You cannot put those two things even close to in the same category.
01:00:13.860The way I'm talking about the tone with which she was spoken to.
01:00:46.340I mean, what was done to Brett Kavanaugh is horrific.
01:00:51.000You know, that moment of seeing his wife in tears behind him during a moment, which is something that he'd worked so hard an entire life to accomplish with her help, with her at his side.
01:01:01.800Something that they've accomplished together.
01:01:04.060And it was turned into an insane circus using that lawyer who Stormy Daniel's lawyer, Michael Avenatti, who's currently in prison, was completely destroyed by the handwaves past all that, though.
01:01:22.580Like, we need to watch this because I do think there will be some Republicans and some independents who start embracing Marianne and her message again.
01:01:36.040Ladies and gentlemen, that's what you're dealing with.
01:01:38.520You're dealing with somebody who thinks it's the same thing when Ketanji Brown Jackson gets pressed on the wisdom of her rulings from the bench, in particular on child porn issue, that that's the same indignation and hostile treatment as Brett Kavanaugh got.
01:02:05.360And it's not it's not just on on issues like Brett Kavanaugh.
01:02:08.440I feel like this is the price admission into the modern Democratic Party.
01:02:12.360I mean, you go go go back to the issue of like election reform, trying to strengthen the security around elections like, you know, Brian Kemp in Georgia.
01:02:21.320And, you know, or, you know, a reasonable reform that a Republican might make would be like, you know, you have to show a driver's license.
01:02:28.420You know, if you'd like to vote, you got to prove who you are.
01:02:59.920They really believe if they get there first, then they win.
01:03:02.140I look forward to them trying this on the national stage, really, like, I mean, any moderator, debate moderator worth his or her salt who doesn't call out nonsense like that should be fired on the spot.
01:03:21.300But on the Republican side, Rona McDaniel made news this week talking about whether Trump will sign the pledge saying he'll support whoever the nominee is.
01:03:34.800I mean, we've been through this before.
01:03:36.940We doesn't matter what he signs or doesn't sign.
01:03:51.300Me or someone else is really what he meant.
01:03:55.300But here's Rona McDaniel talking about how Trump is going to play ball on this issue on CNN.
01:04:01.880Will candidates be required to sign a pledge saying that they will support whomever becomes the nominee in order to get on that debate stage?
01:04:10.940We haven't put the criteria out, but I expect a pledge will be part of it.
01:04:17.700I think the voters are very intent on winning and they do not want to see a debate stage of people saying, I'm not going to support this guy.
01:04:39.800I was anchoring those debates in 2016.
01:04:41.780If there was a requirement that they sign a pledge that they'll support the ultimate nominee in order to get on the debate stage, I wasn't made aware of it.
01:04:48.800And you may recall that now infamous debate between Chris Wallace and Brett Baer and I hosting the debate in those first 10 candidates.
01:04:56.900That was the first question Brett asked.
01:04:59.260Raise your hand if you will not or you if you will support the Republican nominee, whoever it is.
01:05:05.060And there were two candidates who were squishy on it.
01:05:19.080And you've got to understand Donald Trump's background.
01:05:21.780Like, you know, he came up in the real estate game where, you know, your goal was to leverage a bank so that you're in a relationship with them.
01:05:28.760Like this guy doesn't give away stuff for free.
01:05:31.220And if he has millions of voters, even if he isn't the one with the most votes at the end of the day, he's going to want something for that.
01:05:36.560He's not going to just roll over and give it to you for nothing.
01:05:39.080That's just the way his mind works and has worked since he was in business, you know, 40 years ago.
01:05:43.460So, yeah, he doesn't he doesn't approach this like like a typical politician does that.
01:05:48.880You know, there's something gracious about, you know, uniting the party like that's just not the way his mind works.
01:05:54.720You know, I mean, she's got to go into that with eyes wide open.
01:07:10.560And speaking of which, Ron DeSantis hasn't made any announcements yet.
01:07:14.900He hasn't said a thing, but he did just release a book called The Courage to be Free, Florida's Blueprint for American Revival.
01:07:23.140One could almost surmise that this is sort of a blueprint for the path to the presidency.
01:07:29.600He's going on, as far as I can tell, a mostly Fox media tour with a bunch of conservatives sort of in his sights and kicked it off last night, I think, with Mark Levin.
01:07:41.360Book is published by HarperCollins, owned by Fox and so on.
01:07:44.020But right now, if you look at the real clear average of all polls, Trump has 43.2.
01:08:38.480But, you know, I mean, look, DeSantis, I think from his point of view, you know, the great challenge of running for president is you got to announce and throw this big rollout together so people actually show up and cover you and you can be a part of that conversation.
01:08:52.540I mean, everywhere he goes, he steps out of the governor's mansion in Florida.
01:08:56.020There's going to be 100 cameras there listening to what he has to say.
01:08:58.700And so anything that he's trying to do from a messaging standpoint is sort of indistinguishable from what he would do as an announced candidate in any way in terms of trying to be a part of the national conversation.
01:09:09.420So I don't think that like the delay here is hurting him.
01:09:12.340But I do think at some point you're going to see these candidates and Trump has already done this, I think, to a certain extent, Nikki Haley and others have started gauging him.
01:09:44.420He was handing out the McDonald's and making jokes about himself and his love of McDonald's and all that, which many people thought was a good was a good move.
01:09:51.380But Ohio, back in the news, of course, and Pete Buttigieg, who's been taking a beating as our transportation secretary for being a little slow to get out there.
01:09:59.860No, it's not about whether there was a fatality on this this freight car.
01:10:04.840It's about the danger to a whole swath of Americans who are being, we think, misled that their water is clean and their air is clean as the animals and the fish are dying around them.
01:11:03.700I think, well, first of all, first of all, I don't know if you've noticed, but Mayor Pete has been criticized in the mainstream press lately.
01:11:13.940And one of the things that we know to be true about the mainstream press is the only time they criticize a Democrat is when another Democrat stands to benefit.
01:11:22.860And Marianne Williamson might be the only announced challenger to Joe Biden.
01:11:27.020But Mayor Pete wants to run for president, too.
01:11:32.020I mean, even though he showed up in East Palestine in costume with the orange vest and the hard hat, pretending to act like he knew what he was doing.
01:11:39.700It was very like Michael Dukakis in a tank.
01:11:41.760It was like John Kerry crawling through the space suit.
01:11:47.660And the only person who is laughing harder than us or our audience or Megan's audience is Joe Biden.
01:11:53.060And I truly believe that Joe Biden wanted Mayor Pete to be at the Department of Transportation because he knew about Mayor Pete's ambitions and he knew that that's a difficult place to manage and he knew that he would crumble just like he is.
01:12:07.460Yeah, it's just like when he made Kamala border czar.
01:12:52.140But also, what the hell kind of answer is that?
01:12:54.600I mean, this is an actual person that's in the government who is charged with trying to make people's lives better in one form or fashion.
01:13:01.100And you're criticized about your response to.
01:13:03.420And by the way, there wasn't like an atomic cloud over any city in America when President Trump was president in a rail disaster that caused it.
01:13:11.420But his first reaction, rather than saying, we've got to get this right, I've got to get there, we've got to figure this out, is to say, well, well, you know, they didn't blame Elaine Chao like this.
01:15:18.760Like in a presidential politics type environment where we are already, don't let the other guy lead.
01:15:24.740But still, so this soundbite kind of wraps up our entire show, right, of actual disinformation, the media that is ideological and doesn't care what the facts are.
01:15:36.160They're just agenda driven, spooning you stuff that's not factual.
01:15:40.620And that leads me, of course, to Joy Behar of The View, who decided to weigh in on this, understanding that even the beloved Washington Post has said you cannot blame this on Trump.
01:15:51.900Nothing he did in rolling back regulations had anything to do with this crash or what happened here or would have prevented what's happening in East Palestine.
01:15:59.580I don't know why they would ever vote for him because there's somebody who, by the way, he placed someone with deep ties to the chemical industry in charge of the EPA's chemical safety office.
01:16:13.860That's who you voted for in that district.