The Megyn Kelly Show - December 11, 2025


SBA Fraud Probed, RFK Jr and Hegseth Targeted for Impeachment, In-N-Out Bans “6-7”： AM Update 12⧸11

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fraud 8A program Secretary Pete Hegseth impeachment
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Pete Hegseth Frank Mitch Bradley Dick Durbin Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Joni Ernst Trump Haley Stevens James O'Keefe Taylin Kinney Taylor Swift Sri Tanadar Sean Parnell Andrew Nixon Crush Fraud Luke Rosiak JD Vance Ed Markey Gen Alpha Politico Trigger and 3 more
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When customers are walking through the aisles of their local Walmart, they are not just picking up groceries or supplies. They are supporting American businesses and their communities. But what s behind the label? With over two-thirds of the products Walmart buys made, grown, or assembled right here in the U.S., is about strengthening communities.

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00:00:34.020 I'm Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party and the Megyn Kelly Wrap-Up Show on Sirius XM Channel 111.
00:00:40.200 It's Thursday, December 11th, 2025, and this is your AM update.
00:00:44.900 Unfortunately, the SBA's 8A program has been a magnet for fraudsters since its inception.
00:00:50.720 Another federal program under multiple investigations following accusations of rampant fraud and abuse.
00:00:57.880 Customs and Border Protection considers screening social media histories for some travelers seeking entry into the U.S.
00:01:06.300 I introduced articles to impeach Secretary Pete Hexet.
00:01:11.460 RFP Jr. has got to go.
00:01:13.660 Two Democrat lawmakers filing performative articles of impeachment against two top Trump cabinet officials.
00:01:20.520 And a fast food chain takes a stand against a viral meme craze.
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00:01:27.660 All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM update.
00:01:31.220 When customers are walking through the aisles of their local Walmart, they are not just picking up groceries or supplies.
00:01:41.880 They are supporting American businesses and their communities.
00:01:45.560 The real story is what's behind the label.
00:01:47.580 With over two-thirds of the products Walmart buys made, grown, or assembled right here in the U.S., buying local is not just stocking shelves.
00:01:56.000 It's about strengthening communities.
00:01:58.340 Because of that commitment, Walmart invested $350 billion in U.S. manufacturing, helping American companies like Fisher and Weezer Specialty Foods, that's a local Texas business,
00:02:08.540 expand their operations in Fredericksburg, Texas, to hire more people and bring their Texas-grown peach jam to a national market.
00:02:15.960 Their story is just one example of how Walmart's U.S. manufacturing investment is supporting over 750,000 American jobs.
00:02:24.060 Businesses across the country are empowered to sell more, hire more, and help their communities grow.
00:02:29.620 From farms to factories to final shopping carts, learn how Walmart is fueling the future of U.S. manufacturing at walmart.com slash americaatwork.
00:02:38.820 A federal contracting program intended for, quote, experienced small business owners who are socially and economically disadvantaged,
00:02:49.600 including Black, Hispanic, Native, and other groups, now the target of investigations by the Small Business Administration, or SBA,
00:02:58.580 the Treasury Department, and the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, amid accusations of rampant fraud.
00:03:05.660 Historically, about 5% of government contracts were set aside under what is known as the 8A program,
00:03:13.000 the Biden administration tripling the goal to 15% of total government contracts.
00:03:19.800 In fiscal year 2024, the program handing out $40 billion in awards.
00:03:24.500 In June, one government official and three executives pleading guilty to a decade-long bribery scheme involving at least 14 contracts totaling more than $550 million.
00:03:38.520 Prosecutors saying the government officials sidestepped the competitive bidding process to steer lucrative contracts under the 8A program to executives who were paying him kickbacks.
00:03:49.140 SBA Administrator Kelly Loeffler ordering a review of the program to identify similar examples of misconduct.
00:03:56.720 In October, investigative journalist James O'Keefe releasing a video further exposing alleged fraud within the program.
00:04:05.080 The director of contracts for an 8A company explaining to O'Keefe how businesses in the program are able to win the contracts,
00:04:13.260 then pass off the majority of the work through subcontractors.
00:04:16.840 And I tell you, pass-throughs are a great thing as well.
00:04:20.420 Tell me about those.
00:04:21.240 Well, so pass-throughs, because you're Native American, right? 0.98
00:04:25.100 If you have, there's a big bid out and there's a company that wants to bid on it, that's not Native American. 1.00
00:04:31.360 All they do is partner with you.
00:04:33.280 They use their people.
00:04:34.500 You subcontract to them, right?
00:04:37.140 They're your subs.
00:04:38.000 So a lot of our subcontractors bid on contracts that were perfect in their industry, but because they weren't Native American, they wouldn't win it. 1.00
00:04:48.640 So we bid on it for them.
00:04:50.820 They became our sub.
00:04:52.340 And it's an automatic win because of the government set aside.
00:04:56.700 You automatically will win that contract because of your Native American status.
00:05:00.860 There's no bidding.
00:05:01.760 There's no bidding war.
00:05:02.660 The director telling O'Keefe their company completes about 20% of the work, passing off the remaining 80% to other contractors, in violation of rules regarding subcontracting.
00:05:15.900 That company is now under investigation by the SBA.
00:05:19.740 O'Keefe's reporting triggering an additional wave of investigations.
00:05:23.580 The Treasury Department, in November, announcing its own probe into the program, covering about $9 billion worth of contracts.
00:05:30.980 Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa, head of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, sending letters to 22 agency heads, including the Department of War, Interior, DOJ, and more, requesting that they pause 8A contracting and conduct internal reviews of those contracts within their agencies.
00:05:52.020 Yesterday, Senator Ernst's committee holding a hearing on the matter.
00:05:55.700 The senator outlining inherent issues that result from issuing contracts based on skin color rather than merit.
00:06:03.260 Unfortunately, the SBA's 8A program has been a magnet for fraudsters since its inception.
00:06:09.360 When 8A programs divert government contracts to businesses committing fraud, legitimate small businesses pay the price, losing jobs, revenue, and growth opportunities.
00:06:21.160 Government contracting should be based on eligibility and merit, not skin color.
00:06:27.440 I promised to make Washington squeal, and it is clear that this pigpen of a swamp needs a thorough mucking out.
00:06:34.800 Democrats, led by Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, largely belittling the need for the hearing.
00:06:41.140 Today's hearing is called Running Government Like a Small Business, Cut Waste, Crush Fraud.
00:06:48.860 A more accurate title, however, would be Running Government Like a Trump Family Business, Cutting Deals with Billionaires and Crushing Small Businesses.
00:06:59.960 As we're focusing on waste, fraud, and abuse, you know, there's just so much of that rampant in this regime that I hardly know where to begin.
00:07:06.680 The administration's most recent fixation, SBA's 8A program, which is a program that gives small, disadvantaged businesses training, technical assistance, and federal contracting opportunities for nine years.
00:07:22.500 Now, those businesses are principally black and brown owned in our country.
00:07:28.140 That's who they're focusing on.
00:07:29.960 Investigative reporter Luke Rosiak, who has extensively covered fraud within the program, testifying that it no longer serves its original purpose.
00:07:39.280 The program was created in 1978, mostly to help black Americans start businesses since they'd been discriminated against by the government.
00:07:47.000 But I don't believe any member of this committee would support the program if you see how it works a half century later.
00:07:52.060 At least 5% of all federal contracting dollars are diverted through set-asides.
00:07:55.680 But these billions don't go to poor minorities in your states.
00:07:59.360 They go to insiders in the suburbs of D.C., which are already the wealthiest counties in the country.
00:08:04.960 Earlier this week, SBA Administrator Kelly Loeffler issuing letters requiring all 4,300 8A firms to submit financial records covering the last three years,
00:08:16.780 as Senator Ernst has introduced legislation to halt all awards under the program until an audit is complete.
00:08:25.680 The Trump administration is preparing to require foreign travelers from more than three dozen countries to submit their last five years of social media history before being allowed into the U.S.
00:08:37.480 U.S. Customs and Border Protection on Tuesday filing notice of the proposal in the Federal Register, the government's official public notice system.
00:08:45.020 The proposal applying to visitors seeking electronic travel authorization, a visa waiver program for certain countries, to enter the U.S. for up to 90 days.
00:08:55.820 The current guidelines requiring travelers from countries like Australia, France, Germany, Ireland, Qatar, Spain, and the U.K.
00:09:02.780 to pay $40 and provide a home address, phone number, email address, and emergency contact.
00:09:09.360 The proposal calling for a more thorough vetting, including all of the travelers' personal and business phone numbers from the last five years,
00:09:17.580 email addresses from the last 10 years, plus names, birthdays, places of birth, and addresses of family members.
00:09:24.060 The rule now subject to a 60-day public comments period where people can weigh in with questions, comments, and concerns before it can officially take effect.
00:09:33.840 The new vetting procedure is set to take effect early next year in advance of the World Cup set to begin in June.
00:09:40.720 11 U.S. cities set to host matches, with Reuters reporting over a million tourists expected to travel to the States to watch the five-week tournament.
00:09:49.680 Foreign students and H-1B visa holders are subject to similar online presence reviews,
00:09:55.660 critics of the proposal calling it an attack on free speech,
00:09:59.080 though full constitutional protections do not generally apply to foreign travelers seeking entry into the U.S.
00:10:05.920 A CBP spokesperson telling AM Update, quote,
00:10:08.940 Nothing has changed on this front for those coming to the United States.
00:10:12.660 This is not a final rule.
00:10:13.720 It is simply the first step to starting a discussion to have new policy options to keep the American people safe.
00:10:20.780 The department is constantly looking at how we vet those coming into the country,
00:10:25.040 especially after the terrorist attack in Washington, D.C. against our National Guard right before Thanksgiving.
00:10:32.460 Coming up, articles of impeachment filed against two cabinet officials this week.
00:10:38.160 Will they go anywhere?
00:10:39.140 As President Trump is settling into his new administration,
00:10:55.360 one of the top Democrats in Congress aiming to undermine the Trump agenda is Senator Dick Durbin.
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00:11:25.420 Dick Durbin's government takeover of your credit card before it's too late.
00:11:31.260 To Trump cabinet officials now the subjects of newly filed articles of impeachment.
00:11:35.860 To Democrat lawmakers filing separate articles this week.
00:11:40.040 Congressman Shri Tanidar of Michigan on Tuesday seeking to oust Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
00:11:45.660 I introduced articles to impeach Secretary Pete Hegseth for murder and conspiracy to murder
00:11:54.340 and reckless and reckless and unlawful mishandling of classified information.
00:12:00.820 Since day one, Secretary Hegseth has disgraced that once proud office that he holds.
00:12:08.320 From issuing orders to kill everybody on board a small boat with no evidence of any wrongdoing
00:12:17.340 to launching a follow-up strike to finish off survivors who barely clinging onto their life.
00:12:26.080 He also put the lives of our own troops in danger by leaking classified war plans
00:12:33.640 in an unauthorized signal group chat which included a random journalist with no role anywhere in the administration.
00:12:44.020 The second strike on a suspected drug vessel in September becoming a media controversy
00:12:49.380 since the Washington Post reported that Secretary Hegseth allegedly ordered the military to quote
00:12:54.660 kill everybody on board.
00:12:56.760 The Post noting the directive could have constituted an illegal order prompting inquiries in the House and Senate.
00:13:04.020 Secretary Hegseth offering additional clarity telling reporters at a recent cabinet meeting
00:13:08.660 that the second strike was ordered by Commanding Officer Admiral Frank Mitch Bradley
00:13:14.020 after Mr. Hegseth had left the room, but that the Admiral had his full support to make the call.
00:13:20.660 Admiral Bradley appearing on Capitol Hill last week to brief lawmakers in a closed session.
00:13:26.580 Days later, NBC News exclusively reporting that Bradley told members of Congress
00:13:31.540 the 11 people on the boat were on a list of narco-terrorists whom U.S. officials had determined
00:13:37.380 could legally be targeted.
00:13:39.660 Bradley reportedly telling lawmakers the two survivors managed to climb back onto the boat
00:13:44.360 and did not appear injured, nor did they appear to surrender.
00:13:48.340 The military spotting a larger vessel nearby, concluding it was set to link up with the initial target.
00:13:55.000 On Monday, President Trump touting to Politico the success of the sea strike operations,
00:14:00.420 which have today, sunk in at least 20 vessels, killing dozens.
00:14:05.360 Have you watched the video?
00:14:07.720 I watch everything, yeah. I watch everything. I see a lot of things.
00:14:12.480 And do you believe that that second strike was necessary?
00:14:16.040 Well, it looked like they were trying to turn back over the boat, but I don't get involved in that.
00:14:19.720 That's up to them.
00:14:21.040 The Admiral that did that is a highly respected, as you know, a highly respected man.
00:14:26.480 And we save 25,000 people every time we knock out a boat.
00:14:31.000 On average, they kill 25,000 Americans.
00:14:34.280 So, you know, I don't like doing that, but the drugs coming in through the sea are down to,
00:14:41.760 they're down by 92 percent.
00:14:44.280 And I'm trying to figure out the 8 percent. Who are they? 0.99
00:14:47.300 Nobody wants to drive boats to America loaded up with drugs anymore.
00:14:50.960 Well, I do want to ask because...
00:14:51.600 And we're going to hit them on land very soon, too.
00:14:54.120 As far as SignalGate, an Inspector General report released last week finding, quote,
00:14:59.100 the Secretary's actions created a risk to operational security, but as CNN reports, quote,
00:15:04.440 did not assess whether Hegseth had shared classified information or properly declassified it,
00:15:10.240 citing Hegseth's authorities as Secretary to unilaterally dictate what is protected information.
00:15:16.520 Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell calling the report a, quote,
00:15:19.400 total exoneration of the Secretary.
00:15:22.260 And in another political stunt, yesterday, Congresswoman Haley Stevens, also of Michigan, 1.00
00:15:28.540 introducing articles of impeachment against HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
00:15:34.060 RFK Jr. has got to go.
00:15:36.420 Today I introduced articles of impeachment to remove him from office.
00:15:40.500 RFK Jr. has turned his back on science, on public health, and on the American people.
00:15:45.880 I cannot and I will not stand by while one man dismantles decades of medical progress.
00:15:53.440 Enough is enough.
00:15:55.220 And that is why I'm pushing to impeach RFK Jr.
00:15:58.100 The impeachment resolution accusing Secretary Kennedy of abusing his authority and undermining
00:16:03.520 of the public health.
00:16:05.380 The 13-page document laying out a list of grievances, including eliminating research programs,
00:16:10.280 canceling grants, and firing all members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices,
00:16:16.700 which sets vaccine policy.
00:16:19.100 Congresswoman Stevens, currently seeking a Senate seat, telling the New York Times this impeachment
00:16:24.620 bid is no political stunt, quote,
00:16:27.200 I am not one for political theater.
00:16:29.140 I am standing up for the health and safety of the people I represent.
00:16:32.640 Not one for political theater, a claim possibly undermined by this floor speech from March 2020,
00:16:40.380 in which the Congresswoman appeared wearing pink latex gloves, arguing in an unhinged speech 0.94
00:16:47.620 in support of a COVID stimulus package.
00:16:50.260 The cause of their servitude, sharing in the profession with those who have not come before 1.00
00:16:55.000 you.
00:16:55.580 Similar times of trying medical need.
00:16:58.060 Wars and flus pass. 0.81
00:16:59.760 You will see darkness.
00:17:00.820 You will be pushed.
00:17:02.640 And our society needs you to stand together at this time.
00:17:06.680 Our country loves you.
00:17:08.100 To our doctors and our nurses, I wear these laces.
00:17:10.700 The gentlelady's time has expired. 0.54
00:17:12.740 The gentleman from Maryland is reserved.
00:17:16.640 HHS spokesperson Andrew Nixon telling The Hill on Wednesday, quote,
00:17:20.840 Secretary Kennedy remains focused on improving Americans' health and lowering costs,
00:17:25.520 not on partisan theatrics designed to elevate standing in a failing third-rate Senate bid.
00:17:31.700 Neither one of these efforts are expected to go anywhere, as they lack support from Democrat
00:17:36.280 leadership.
00:17:37.140 And Republicans control the House.
00:17:40.580 Trigger warning.
00:17:41.740 If you have children listening, this next story could cause an outburst.
00:17:48.500 In-N-Out fast food burger chain officially retiring order number 6-7 following the viral 6-7
00:17:55.780 meme craze.
00:17:57.140 People Magazine confirming the number removed from the order lineup following incidents of chaos.
00:18:03.280 Young customers flocking to the counter, eagerly awaiting the order number to be called.
00:18:09.500 And then, pandemonium.
00:18:12.260 Guess 6-7!
00:18:15.100 Guess number 6-7!
00:18:20.100 An employee confirming to the outlet the number was removed about a month ago.
00:18:24.740 The viral 6-7 meme's origins may feel impossible to trace if you are over the age of 12.
00:18:30.980 But CNN reporting an early driver, a viral song by Philly rapper Skrilla called Doot Doot 6-7,
00:18:39.180 featuring the rapper repeating the numbers as part of the chorus.
00:18:42.500 From there, high school basketball superstar and social media influencer,
00:18:46.900 Taylin Kinney, posting a video rating a Starbucks drink as a 6-6-7,
00:18:53.660 while making the now infamous hand gesture,
00:18:56.160 each palm face-up bobbing up and down in a weighing motion.
00:19:00.980 Kinney then posting more videos with the song and gesture to his TikTok account,
00:19:05.840 boasting 1 million followers.
00:19:07.940 The rest is history.
00:19:09.780 The viral meme taking off like wildfire,
00:19:12.560 popularized on the mega-hit video game Roblox,
00:19:16.160 perplexing parents feeling left out of the joke,
00:19:19.160 much to the delight of Gen Alpha.
00:19:21.620 Even Vice President J.D. Vance,
00:19:23.900 afflicted by the humor,
00:19:26.760 posting Tuesday to X,
00:19:27.980 quote,
00:19:28.600 yesterday at church,
00:19:29.660 the Bible reading started on page 66 to 67 of the missile,
00:19:34.420 and my five-year-old went absolutely nuts,
00:19:37.500 repeating six, seven, like ten times,
00:19:40.680 and now I think we need to make this narrow exception to the First Amendment
00:19:43.760 and ban these numbers forever.
00:19:49.920 That'll do it for your AM update.
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