Scott Pelley's Smug Bias, and Why Trump Was Right to Leave NBC Interview, Plus Entrepreneur and Horse Racing Owner Mike Repole | Ep. 1334
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On this episode of The Megyn Kelly Show: Happy Monday! Megyn talks about the results of the recent primary election, why Mike Rapoli is worth more than $2.5 billion, and why you should be proud of who won the Kentucky Derby.
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out. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at
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New East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday,
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where over the weekend, all outstanding hope that Spencer Pratt might make the runoff in LA
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for this mayor race slipped away. Literally unbelievable. Sure, Jan, sure. Nithya Raman
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came from third place and in all these outstanding jurisdictions, not only beat the Republican,
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which, okay, you could see that potentially, but beat Karen Bass too? Like not only did the
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Democrat come from behind, but this Democrat? Okay, sure. Coming in just a bit, we'll talk
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about it a little bit more. And then in our second hour, we're going to bring on a first-time guest
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with an incredible story. His name is Mike Rapoli. And not only, this is where, let me just quickly
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tell you why I wanted to talk to this guy. Do you guys remember of the Kentucky Derby? Um, when
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the golden, what's his name? One tempo. I always want to call him golden dome. I don't know why
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golden tempo one. And, um, he came from behind. It was like out of nowhere. And he just won the
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Belmont stakes too, by the way. So cool. But he remember he had a jockey on him who had a brother
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who was also a jockey and his brother at the Kentucky Derby was riding the horse that was
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the favorite, but they didn't win thanks to Golden Tempo. And anyway, the two brothers held
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hands as they crossed the finish line because they were proud of each other. So sweet. The owner of
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the horse that was the favorite but lost, the moment between this guy and his jockey was caught
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on camera. And you expect them to be like, good try, nice job. No, he was like, you lost to your
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brother your brothers that's that's what matters you know he was like this sweetheart with the
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thick New York accent and even though he had just suffered this big loss at the Derby and his horse
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was a favorite he was he had such the right messaging when he talked to his horse's jockey
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and like he understood there's like a moment of unity for the country and this family and like
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I was so impressed by the guy I wanted to meet him his name is Mike Rapoli it turns out he's worth
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two and a half billion dollars. And I'll tell you what he, how he made his money. You're going to
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promo code M-E-G-Y-N. First though, we have got to talk about what's going on at 60 Minutes,
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specifically with the firing of longtime CBS correspondent Scott Pelley. We told you last
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week that CBS fired Pelley for cause, it said, on Tuesday after reports that he confronted
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newly installed executive producer, Nick Bilton, in a heated staff meeting the day prior.
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Before he did that, Barry Weiss, who she calls herself editor-in-chief of CBS News,
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had fired the top three women at, well, three of the top women at 60 Minutes.
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Sharon Alfonsi, another gal whose name I can never remember, and the woman who,
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Cecilia Vega, that was her name, and also the new and not that long in charge editor or
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executive producer. She had fired all three of them. And the staff of 60 Minutes was reeling.
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And I get it, that would be jarring because very rarely do people get fired at these network
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positions in 60 Minutes, even less so. But they were fired. And Scott Pelley's position was
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everybody was reeling. I was like the senior most person. And so I felt the need to confront
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the brand new editor or executive producer who none of us knew at all. This guy who was dropped
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on us out of the New York Times documentary unit. Like, who are you? This guy Blinton.
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So he wasn't happy. And he went, we got up in this guy's grill, built in, I should say.
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and it didn't go well. Scott Pelley tried to play the tough guy. Sure, sure, Scott.
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He was, look up the, I'm going to look, I've been calling him a prig.
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Just for kicks, I looked up that definition. You tell me, I mean, I think, I got to be honest,
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Scott Kelly is the walking definition of that word. Here's the definition.
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A self-righteous, annoying person who demands rigid conformity to rules and propriety.
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They often look down on others, acting as though they are morally superior and fussing
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endlessly over trivial formal details while ignoring the feelings of those around them.
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Okay, I mean, that's, that's, his picture should be there.
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I said last week, I don't think this is well handled and I stand by that, but like today's
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story is about Scott Pelley because he decided to sit down with our friend Lulu Garcia Navarro.
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over at the New York Times, The Daily Show, and it was his first interview. It was posted
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online yesterday. It was a lot, and we're going to go through some of it. First, here is how,
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now Scott has been at 60 and CBS for 37 years. That's a long time. He spent his career there,
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quite clearly. He feels very connected to the organization. Don't begrudge him one second of
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that. Um, but there, there are some dramatics going on in this interview like this. Take a
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listen to how he described his emotional state right now. I want to actually start by just
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asking you how you're feeling in this moment. Well, if we want to talk about it at an emotional
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level, the best thing that I can imagine in terms of describing it is that it's,
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it's like your spouse was murdered um whoa there's some moments of the day i feel fine
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there are some moments of the day that um i just frankly uh fall apart uh when i least expect it
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but i do want to be clear uh that i do not feel sorry for me i don't care about me i'm fine
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I care about these people that I left behind, the people who are still trapped there.
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Okay, so first of all, I don't believe that he doesn't care about me the way he says it.
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You are at the forethought of everything you do.
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And we need only to watch you and listen to you to know that.
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This is him cloaking himself in this sort of self-righteousness.
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He's there for Sharon, what's her name, and the other gal, Cecilia.
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It's like, I think there's only six correspondents.
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So I guess the math tracks, but like, sounds kind of dramatic.
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So he there compares his firing to his wife being murdered.
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Now, I'm just, I ask you, just sit for one second, please.
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Forgive me, but like with the unpleasant thought of that actually happening in your life.
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Do you think you'd be like, you know, some days I was fine.
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that would compare to the murder of your spouse.
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of this whole interview was how out of touch he is. Okay, but he did not stop there when it comes
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to the murder comparisons. Watch. That's a family at 60 Minutes. My former boss and former producer
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Bill Owens saved my life in a firefight in Iraq so Lulu these bonds are pretty
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tight and when somebody wipes out murders a large number of your family members people are hurt
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and shocked in disbelief and just desperate for some explanation okay so bill owens that's
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that is a compelling story. Bill Owens was the executive producer of 60, but he stepped down
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last year. He wasn't there and he's not involved in all this. And so I'm sure you feel grateful to
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him, but you know, he's not there and he's not involved. So I'm not sure what this is about.
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I also have to be honest. It's, it's not a family. It's a news organization. And Barry was brought in
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to revamp it. And some revamping is going to trample across 60 minutes, Scott, because of you
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and Sharon and Leslie and people like you. No one can step into your family and rejigger it.
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No one can step in and say, there are some weak members of the family who are going to have to go
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because people like the family less than they could. This is a news organization.
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That's why it was possible for a new boss to come in and start moving chess pieces around
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and changing the way you play the game altogether.
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The way he is behaving is like a child, like a petulant child.
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It's fine if you feel like your family in your workplace or you feel like you have this
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bond of loyalty and so on that transforms everything and tramples any commercial concerns.
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trumps, but it doesn't. You need to retain the knowledge that it doesn't actually. Actually,
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it's a place of business and business decisions are going to be made accordingly. The entire
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interview shows somebody who doesn't seem to understand that. And this is one of the reasons
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why I've said, some others have said before me, it is not a good idea to spend your whole career
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in news. It's not. It is so much better, I think, for you as the consumer of news and for the news
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people, the newsrooms, hire people who have had another life before they get into news so that
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they understand what real life is like, right? Like the newsroom, he talks about it. It's this
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revered place where we're all family. We're risking our lives every day. Okay. You have
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gotten too self-important. The news is important. The First Amendment is important. But let's be
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honest, it's not brain surgery. OK, we don't actually have people's lives in our hands. We
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have information that's important to them that we should give responsibly and truthfully.
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But you don't understand, Scott Pelley, that to the right half of the country,
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we think you left that business a long time ago. You don't think that, but we think you left that
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business a long time ago. And we don't look at you the way you see yourself at all. Okay,
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there's gonna be more on this in one second. But so Pelly then explained to Lulu why
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he was so aggressive with this new guy, the show's new executive producer, who I have to be honest,
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seems utterly clueless. How they're making the executive producer of 60 Minutes, a guy who's
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never done television before is beyond me. It is an insult. It is to the 60 Minutes staff and the
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CBS News. What the F? He's never done television before. So what do you say? How can you put this
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guy in charge of 60 Minutes? Well, who did it? Barry Weiss. Barry Weiss has also never done
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television before. These utter novices when it comes to broadcast journalism are trying to say
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like, how hard could it be? I guess it's just exactly the same as print journalism like I did
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at the New York Times or at the free press. It's not. It isn't. There actually are multiple layers
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of doing broadcast and communicating with an audience visually through moving pictures that
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you obviously don't understand. And some of what Scott Pelley said about Barry trying to make
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changes to a cooked 60 show like it was already in the books and it was just all they had to do
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was hit play like an hour or two before air did make sense. And I give him those points. You can't
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come in. I know this just from being at Dateline, you know, for a little bit and doing some Datelines
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like my Putin interview was aired in the Dateline time slot. And I think one other, I did one other
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in-depth piece that was aired in the primetime Dateline spot. But my point is simply, and then
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I had my own 60 minutes type show on their Sunday night air at NBC for about two minutes.
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It didn't do very well. But my point is simply, I understand like the deadline situation.
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You can't mess with it that close to air. It's not like the live Kelly file on Fox or this show.
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You can't. It's on tape. Every element has been combed over. It's been run through legal
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standards and practices. Every line has been looked over to prevent you from getting sued
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because these tend to deal with heavy, headier stuff.
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You cannot open up the product two hours or an hour
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I mean, unless there's a serious, serious reason to do it.
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So you cannot have both an editor-in-chief over there
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And I understand why the staff is eye rolling at this guy.
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However, you do have to afford him some level of respect as a colleague who has, for better or worse, been placed in this position.
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Your new owners over at CBS, David Ellison, the son of billionaire Larry Ellison, believes in him and thinks he's the man for the job.
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So you can't be a total asshole when the guy has his first big staff meeting.
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no matter how mad you are about the people getting fired.
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He talked about how the first thing that ticked him off
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and instead of just speaking like a human to them,
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like, which honestly would have been the right thing to do,
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You know, we fired the EP, we fired two top correspondents.
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let me tell you what we have in store, what we have in mind. I can't comment on personnel
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decisions, but I can tell you that he took out his phone and started reading something he had
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written, which is humiliating. I think it would be humiliating in most businesses, but in a business
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And I mean, way to insist that the staff disrespect you.
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The thought of Roger Ailes ever needing to read
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his little remarks to the newsroom at Fox is a joke.
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You speak from the heart about your leadership vision
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and when you get to the part that's dicey legally,
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you pick up your phone and say, sorry, I have to read this part, and then you do it.
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Broadcasters also understand that. Newsmen and women also understand that. This was someone who
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was scared. And you know what happens in the workplace setting when someone who's already
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not respected and not wanted projects fear, right? Well, here's Scott Pelley on that moment.
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I felt that somebody had to stand up for the broadcast, not just the broadcast, but the
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people. There are people in that room who go to war zones when they are pregnant. It is a life
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threatening job in many instances. And very strong bonds, very emotional bonds are found
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or are developed in that kind of setting. Okay. It's not untrue that you develop close
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bonds in the newsroom. And there are people who go to the war zones while they're pregnant.
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It's not unique to 60 Minutes. It happens at CNN. It happens at Fox. It happens across news media.
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And these are the journalists we respect. And we remember because bad things do happen to them.
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I mean, there have been, just look what's happening over now in Lebanon.
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I mean, multiple, multiple journalists are being killed by Israeli bombs, and we're in
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Gaza as well, some connected to Hamas and some not.
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And you do risk your life as a journalist when you embed with the troops and you put
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In fact, my husband and I were just in D.C. over the weekend, and we went to Arlington
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National Cemetery, which is very moving, very moving. Look at my phone now because I just want
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to tell you about this plaque that we saw when we were walking through Arlington. It's on the ground
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and it's one small homage, which is the size of the homage that it should be, not big in Arlington,
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to journalists. And it reads, U.S. correspondent, this tree grows in memory of journalists who died
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while covering wars or conflicts for the, let's see, for the American people, covering the
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conflicts for the American people. One who finds a truth lights a torch. One who finds a truth
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lights a torch. And it goes on from there. And it's a beautiful tree right in the middle of
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Arlington to honor the journalists who have given their lives while covering the news. And honestly,
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as much as we, most people on the right, can't stand the media, there are definitely honest,
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great journalists who we're really lucky to have. And it is an important job. It's one of the
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reasons why some of us stay in it, stay with it, even though we find it toxic and difficult and
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disappointing, because it is an important job to keep the public informed. So I'm with him on the
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sacrifices that people make. But again, it does not insulate your newsroom from overhaul, from
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tweaks, from accusations of bias that have to be addressed. And if you really wanted to save those
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jobs, Scott Pelley, you would try listening. You would try listening, right? I mean, the audience
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knows like Barry and I are in this negative place. Unfortunately, she attacked me. I did not attack
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her. She, she drew first blood. Um, and look, I've been honest that I don't think this is the
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job for her. She has no television experience. However, she isn't wrong that 60 has lost its
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way. It is biased noticeably toward Democrats and progressives. We know that this, most of the
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people listening to this show do not need to be convinced of that, but Scott Pelley clearly has
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no clue. Barry is a liberal, but she's a non-woke liberal. So she's seen enough with her eyes to
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know how this show and frankly, the news organization is perceived by the other half
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of the country. The side she's not on, but she's not woke. So she understands where most of us are
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coming to it from. And she's trying at the direction of her bosses to correct for some of
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that in the programming there. And it's going about as well as you might expect. They're accusing
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her. They're mad at her because they think she's Trumpifying the newsroom, which is a joke.
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You can inject more fair and balanced coverage and make changes around the edges without
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Trumpifying the newsroom. That's a joke. You couldn't Trumpify CBS or 60 if you tried.
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So it's something that's being done around the edges.
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These are very minor changes, and they're being treated like earthquakes.
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Now, there's another segment that's looking at the changes happening at CBS, which also
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happened to be almost universally pro-Israel at a time when Israel's, for the first time,
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doesn't have majority support amongst the American people.
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And they're objecting to that because that's Barry's own set of biases that she's injecting into the coverage.
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So there are like all sorts of issues about what's happening at CBS.
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However, I want to stick on the Pelley piece of it because that's today's story.
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Now, this, however, is not really how Scott Pelley these days is spending his day job.
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What he's really doing these days is ripping apart Moms for Liberty.
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We had it here the other day, and I didn't play it.
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But my God, the sanctimony of Scott Pelley when he spoke not long ago at a graduation speech.
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Not this year, but I think it was last or the one before.
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and the cluelessness is obvious as the nose on your face
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In this next clip, you will hear him compare himself
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to heroes who risked their lives for our country.
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And Pelley, well, here's how he answered, watch.
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One of the things Nick Bilton said in that ill-fated email to the staff was that he was excited to tell, I'm paraphrasing here, he was excited to tell the staff about the new crop of correspondence.
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And when I saw that, I thought, okay, they're going to fire all of us eventually.
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And so that's why I use these, admittedly for a journalist, hyperbolic terms.
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So you may be unsteady, feeling like everyone's going to get fired.
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If you have a contract and they fire you without cause,
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you have a right to your salary until the end of that contract term.
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That's it. That's it. It's the way it goes. Every on-air person in news understands this.
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So Scott Pelley gets in the face of his new boss. He confronts him. By the way, that new boss with
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zero television experience, who nobody respected, who had to read his little statement off of his
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phone. He's reportedly making $2.3 million a year. That's a joke. That's a joke. Anyway,
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Scott Pelley confronts him in front of the entire staff and in very dismissive terms,
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like suggesting that this guy, Bilton, is not going to make it. What the hell is his name?
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I mean, nobody even knows him, Bilton, Nick Bilton, that he's not going to make it over the long haul.
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And Pelley is showing open disdain for him, which is by any definition insubordination.
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And despite all of this, Pelley tells Lulu he never in a million years thought that they would fire him.
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Tell me about that meeting and if you were at that point going in expecting to be fired.
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So I walk in the door, and I see Barry Weiss is sitting in there, and I think, this is terrific of her.
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She's come to this meeting, and now I'm going to be able to ask her these questions.
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She's going to be able to explain what happened.
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But it really didn't occur to you that you could be fired after so many of your colleagues had been let go, after you'd had this very contentious interaction with your new boss?
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And what you need to realize pretty much in every job, but certainly in a television job, is no one is irreplaceable.
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It doesn't matter who you are, how big your star is, how badass you were.
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You are replaceable, and they will replace you, and the organization will go on.
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It's especially something like 60, which is about the institution and not the individual correspondence.
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I mean, I, for one, would love to see 60 go back to the way it was during the Ed Bradley, Mike Wallace years, the murderer's row 60, and not Scott Pelley's 60.
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Those last three correspondents, they're ridiculous, too.
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They just issued a statement over the weekend.
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Leslie Stahl, Bill Whitaker, and John Wertheim.
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Bill Whitaker was the one who interviewed Kamala Harris, remember, when they edited her soundbite to make it look and sound better than it did?
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Leslie, you know, the laptop can't be verified. And then there's this other guy, John Wertheim,
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who apparently is in sports. I don't, obviously, you're shocked to hear. I don't know him.
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They issued a statement saying they're going to stay at 60. I guess 60 wants them to stay.
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Barry wants them to stay and they're going to stay. But this is what they say.
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Um, nevertheless, we have decided to stay on. We fear that our returning might be construed
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as an endorsement of our overlords across the street, meaning Barry and this guy Blinton and
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others. That is simply categorically not the case. Newsrooms are not supposed to be
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run like dictatorships. Collaboration and argument are the way we have always worked
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at 60. And then they go on to say, um, here's why we are staying. We don't want to see 60 minutes
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die. We've been grieving because this whole mess has been, has wounded and damaged the broadcast.
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We want to stay and fight, try to repair and preserve our reputation. We're staying for our
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teams and all the teams we work for you guys. The thought of abandoning you became unbearable. And
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of course we're staying because this is home. They are staying because they will never get
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another job in television. They're not special, and they cannot stand the thought of not seeing
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themselves on camera. That's why they're staying. It has nothing to do with those things they said.
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Nothing. Nothing whatsoever. Give me a break. I mean, no one's ever even heard of most of them.
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So that's them trying to cloak themselves in glory as they hold on to their jobs and refuse
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to walk, why would you? You have a deal, do the best you can, maybe keep an open mind on the
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suggested changes. But here are a pair of soundbites I really wanted to show you that really,
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in my mind, tell you what you need to know. Okay? I'm going to tie them together. Here's the first
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one, Sot7 from Pelly. I was not familiar with her name. So I did some research and discovered
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those things that you just outlined. What concerned me was that she had zero television
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experience and had never managed a large global operation like CBS News. Those were red flags to
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me. But I thought, you know, David Ellison thinks she's the right person for the job.
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We are absolutely going to welcome her, listen to her, and give her the benefit of the doubt.
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I mean, I'm surprised that you hadn't heard of her.
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And if I hadn't heard of Barry Weiss at that point in time, that probably tells you more about me than it does her.
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What was the feeling about that particular opening salvo to the team?
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She, I am told, said something to the effect of,
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why do you think the country thinks you're biased?
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He didn't know who Barry Weiss was because he only operates in this rarefied airspace way above it all.
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He doesn't spend time on digital media or independent media.
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I guarantee you he thinks that's way beneath him.
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Why would he familiarize himself with the free press and this low-life Barry Weiss?
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It's an irrelevant person until she became his boss's boss.
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So he had absolutely no idea who she was, and I believe him.
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And he has absolutely no idea that half the country thinks 60 Minutes has lost its way
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and is incredibly biased against right-leaning conservative or Republican people.
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so that this is why it's all part of the same ignorance that has confused scott pelly about
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who this person is and why she would come in without evidence and say why does half the
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country think that you're biased why do people think you're biased and he's offended he doesn't
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know what she's talking about and you heard him there like explicitly defending the charge he had
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nothing to back it up. Get out of your Upper East Side circles, Scott Pelley, and go to flyover
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country. Spend some time in Iowa, in Montana, in Arkansas, in Texas. Go anywhere. Go to Ohio
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where people are hurting right now and ask them whether 60 Minutes Celebrating Germany's
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crackdown on free speech rights with criminal charges is as funny as Sharon Alfonsi thought it
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was. Okay, go figure out through contacting real live Americans who don't share your politics.
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Figure it out for yourself why Barry came in with that knowledge, not opinion, knowledge,
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and was trying to do you a favor by telling you this, by saying, I actually have been out there.
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Barry is a liberal lesbian living in California at this point. She's not of flyover country. She's
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from, I think, New York. She went to good schools. She went to Columbia for college,
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all leftist, leftist, leftist. OK, but she's been out there. She reads. She talks to real
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life people. She has her finger on the pulse of what people want and what they don't want when
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it comes to identity politics. I mean, unfortunately, as of late, she's apparently
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trying to expand the definition to include people who are Jewish, which we've had arguments about
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this for years now. The answer to fighting DEI is not to put more groups into it. So like we're all
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in there. The answer is to demolish DEI, or now they call it belonging. Note to parents out there,
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that's the new way they're getting away with DEI in your kid's school. Now it's belonging.
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Who could be against that? In any event, he didn't know her and he doesn't know her information
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because he doesn't care. He doesn't fraternize with people like you and me. He thinks we're
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gross. He thinks we're Nazis. He thinks we're, you know, these dumb Trump-supporting Neanderthal
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deplorables. So he wouldn't have any idea that what she's saying is true. Here's the
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Moms for Liberty clip. We've shown it before, but this is the guy now. This is the guy who says
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she had no, she had, she had no support for her accusations. She had no evidence
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to back up her bias accusations. Watch. Parents send their children to school to be educated,
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What ideology are they being indoctrinated into?
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Let's just say children in America cannot read.
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They often dodged questions with talking points.
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21% of Hispanic students are reading on grade level.
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What ideology are the children being indoctrinated into?
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They're looking at these books where sexual discussions are happening
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with their children at younger and younger ages.
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Tiffany Justice read from sexually explicit books
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written for older teens, but found in a few lower schools.
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Most people wouldn't want them in a lower school.
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and concludes these examples are not rare mistakes,
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Oh my God, so infuriating. So infuriating. It's just, it's not like, okay, every time one of these books winds up in a kid's library, it's a plot to sexualize children.
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But there's no question that there is a general school of thought that talking about inappropriate sexual acts to children is an OK thing to do for many academic leftists.
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It has to be. Otherwise, these books wouldn't keep showing up in K through eight libraries in schools.
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Scott Pelley, shame on you. You shamed. Warriors for children who are trying to protect them.
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against grooming, which is happening, whether that's the intent or not.
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That's the relevant point that should have been made on 60 Minutes, you asshole.
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The way you groom children into wanting to have sexual relations with adults
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is you inappropriately discuss matters that should never be in front of a child first,
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And that's one of the main reasons why moms for liberty object to this smut winding up in our children's classrooms.
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It's not Bob and Jane had a hot night together between the sheets.
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It's talking about anal sex and exactly how to do it.
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It's talking about incest, these books do.
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And now he has the nerve to say this, Barry, she's so clueless.
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She came in here and accused us of not being fair to conservatives and like dismissing them.
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She knows how half the country can't stand you.
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The laptop can't be verified when a presidential election was on the line.
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Or Bill Whitaker changing, with his editing team, the Kamala Harris answer when an election was on the line.
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This is why it's very hard to listen to his little lectures on the journalists who are dying in the field.
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They deserved better than what you've given them at 60.
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You besmirched them with these pieces and this so-called journalism.
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So don't get all high and mighty with me or Barry or this guy, Nick Bilton, who I've never heard of before.
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You are the ones to blame for the 60 Minutes problems, not Barry.
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You know, and I've said, I told you last week, I don't think she's handling the tumult well, and I think there was definitely a better way of, like, not preventing this from spilling into a scandal that's in the news every day.
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But that does not excuse his terrible behavior.
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I'm surprised that the president of the United States would bother to notice, but okay.
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He also said you were part of this gang of stupid, crooked people that don't care about your country.
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spent nights in foxholes, filling up with water in the desert.
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I'm not aware that the president of the United States has ever done any of those things for his country.
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You know what, Scott Pelley? There are a lot of ways to serve.
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As you yourself seem to be intimating, you didn't don the uniform.
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those acts were in service of journalism. That's why you did them. I don't begrudge you
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any moment of it. How dare you begrudge Donald Trump the sacrifices he's made?
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Honestly, like Trump literally took a bullet for this country. So fuck off, Scott Pelley.
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The absolute arrogance and nerve of that asshole to suggest that because Trump didn't wear the
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military uniform. He's done nothing for America. Donald Trump could be sitting in Balmoral,
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Scotland at his golf course, enjoying what's soon to be his 80s. He decided to come back
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and run again after having been impeached twice, besmirched, called a Nazi at every turn,
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seen his sons become the most subpoenaed presidential children in U.S. history and
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arguably the most subpoenaed civilians in America. At that point, he ran for re-election
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in November of 2024, had been nearly assassinated twice and had actually almost
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taken a bullet in the head. One did hit his head, his ear. He served. You may not like him,
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but he's served. And even now, I'm not, as you know, in favor of this war in Iran,
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but it's a call that our commander in chief made. And while you may not like the call,
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his command is to be respected. Once the call is made, you root for the American troops,
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as we have been here, too. It's not an easy job. He's got a lot to balance. He's got a lot on his
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plate. How dare you? How dare you besmirch him because he never actually had a military uniform
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on while aggrandizing yourself for going over to cover wars as a journalist? It's unbelievable.
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This is the same thing we're seeing with some leftists now who are ripping on J.D. Vance because
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he was in the Marines, but he was a correspondent. He was updating the troops and others on what was
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happening in the war as opposed to on the front lines firing a gun. Who cares? Did you go?
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Most people didn't go to Iraq. All right. Most people didn't go to Afghanistan. Stop. Just stop.
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It just sums up Scott Pelley's arrogance. He wants to elevate himself over Donald Trump,
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who, by the way, not only has he literally endangered himself in an effort to serve
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in a job he doesn't have to do and doesn't need, but he actually is the sitting commander in chief.
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Don't don't try to compare yourself to him and don't suggest he hasn't served.
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He's serving right now as the commander in chief of the armed forces.
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I just this is this is your problem, Scott Pelley.
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How about starting to show some of that care and family like protection for the country?
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instead of just some staffers over at CBS News. All right. I want to switch to NBC
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because Kristen Welker got yet another opportunity to interview the president.
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It was in Wisconsin and it didn't go well to the point where Trump got up and ended it early.
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Here are some highlights. Watch. Do you think it's appropriate that they have an election
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and five days later, they're nowhere close to picking a winner?
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local officials acknowledge they are slow. They're urging. No, they're crooked. They're
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urging the votes to be counted quickly. That's how they vote in California. They're crooked,
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just like you're crooked. Your press is crooked. And meet the press is crooked. To be fair,
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I'm not crooked. But let's continue. Really? Well, you play right into their hands. Let's
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continue. You're either crooked or you're stupid. You play right into their hands with this rap.
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You know that these elections are rigged. Your network knows that they're rigged. And you're
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crooked. And Mr. Press is crooked. And so is ABC and CBS and CNN. You're one-sided crooked
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network. So let's call it quits because I've had enough. Thank you, darling. Have a good time.
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Mr. President, let's please. I traveled all the way to Wisconsin. I've sat in the rain with you.
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I know. I've sat in the rain with you for an hour. On and off in the rain. And I've given you
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enough time. You ought to straighten out your press because you know what? A country can never
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Okay. I don't blame him. I got to be honest. I don't blame him.
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He sat there with her for quite some time. Reportedly, they were together for an hour.
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And the problem for Kristen Welker is she made that moment about Kristen Welker and about the
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vaunted reputation of NBC News. When you are interviewing the president of the United States,
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especially Donald Trump. You're going to have to give him a little. You got to give him something.
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It's there's a back and forth in an interview where you can't just keep battering him over the
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head at every turn. Look at that exchange. He says, is it appropriate? They're talking about
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California to have an election. And five days later, they're nowhere close to picking. She says
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state and local officials acknowledge they're slow. They're urging the votes to be counted
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quickly. He says, no, they're crooked. That's how they vote in California, she says. Now,
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why wouldn't you, as the news anchor, give him that fucking point? I'm sorry. Why wouldn't you say,
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I understand it. It does undermine the confidence for many. That is such a gimme. Give him that.
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Give him anything. Instead, she's got to take every point on because, you know, otherwise you're
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an election denier. I've never said the 2020 election was stolen. A lot of my audience would
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love for me to say that i can see what's happening in california stinks to high heaven and you know
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what i have credibility to say that because i didn't jump on every election denial denier claim
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and so on kristen welker you undermine your own credibility you think you're boosting it for nbc
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by not giving him what everybody can see which is it's suspicious as hell that this woman came out
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of third place, a distant third in all the days after the actual vote and is now going to be the
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second to make it into the general election contest over the one Republican, Spencer Pratt,
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who coincidentally happens to be very Trumpy. Who do they think they're kidding? It's it smells.
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We don't believe it. But again, just like Scott Pelley, she doesn't understand. Like,
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what do you mean? Anybody who would be questioning that would be an election denier. So I have to
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come out and say, oh no, that's how they vote in California. And he's getting frustrated. They're
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crooked, just like you're crooked. The press is crooked. To be fair, I'm not crooked. Would you
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stop? Again, this is Trump's tactic. He's angry with you. Don't take the beat. You don't have to
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respond to the personal attack in the moment just because he makes it. Whatever. Or maybe try to be
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playful. Maybe try to lighten the mood because you can see he's getting agitated. He's got a lot
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on his plate. The whole thing was very antagonistic. And so if you watch the whole thing, there was a
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lot of this prior to the moment we just showed you. And I honestly, by the time he got up and
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walked, I didn't I didn't blame him. And I wasn't surprised. She was rude. He he has allowed you to
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interview him. There's a lot going on in the country right now. I flew all the way to Wisconsin.
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Who gives a shit? No one cares. You got on a plane. Oh, boo hoo. You have one hour of television
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you have to do a week. No one cares. You had to fly to Wisconsin. Please, Mr. President,
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Why don't you treat him more respectfully as it goes on?
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And there's a way of challenging him without being so whiny and nasty.
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Try to telegraph to the president that you don't hate him and you don't think everything he's saying is a bunch of nonsense.
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You had to perform for them, for your bosses at NBC.
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That's why he got up and walked out, which you deserved.
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And I'm sorry to hear that you're allegedly getting another interview because you don't deserve that.
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just two quick updates on two legal matters that we've been following closely here at the MK Show.
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First of all, Henry Novak, this young man who was murdered in London as he walked home
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by a man named Vikram Digwa, who is Sikh, who happens to have brown skin,
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relevant because Henry was white. And Vikram and his brother told the police that Henry was the
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aggressor, that Henry was attacking them based on some sort of discriminatory grounds, that they
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were Sikh, that he ripped off their turbans, called them names, and that he needed to be in
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trouble criminally for these behaviors. The cops showed up, treated every word of that like it was
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true, slapped cuffs on Henry, who lay dying, argued with Henry when he told them he'd been stabbed,
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that he hadn't. In fact, he had been stabbed five times, including in the back of his legs as he
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tried to run away from this villainous pair and paid the ultimate price for it, for no one believing
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him and for his white skin. It was absolutely detestable, deplorable. And it was both the fault
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of these two Digwa brothers, their mother, who helped hide the murder weapon for them, who also
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was found guilty by a jury in the UK, and of the police, who in the moments they had
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to assess this situation, saw one brown man and one white man and immediately assumed
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This is just as evil and wrong as when back in the day, 75, 80 years ago here in America,
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we would look at a white man and a black man and assume the opposite.
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We have so overcorrected for a prior history of racism that we are now openly discriminating against whites and white men in particular.
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And that's what this case is, an example of it.
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Now we've just gotten our hands on Vikram Digwa's brother's 911 call.
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And the number of lies in this phone call, I mean, I'd love to know more because I don't know why he called 911 at all.
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I can only think that they wanted this guy arrested or they knew that they thought he was going to live and they thought he was going to point the finger at them.
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And they wanted to sort of get the jump on looking like you're the victim.
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That's my guess. But the number of lies in the brother's 911 call is astonishing. This is the
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first we've heard it. And here it is. It's emergency. Yeah, we've just been attacked by
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Sorry, we just got attacked racially by some white person.
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No, no, he's physically attacked my brother. We're Sikhs, we wear a turban, and he's just attacked my brother.
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Leave him one second. I'm calling the police. I'm calling the police. Leave him.
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We're restraining police. He's verbally attacked my brother racially.
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He's attacked my brother and took his turban off.
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Then he's recorded it on his phone, thinking he was going to do something.
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Then he's grabbed my brother's hair and started yanking his hair.
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Obviously his feet have really long hair, as you may be aware,
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to which then my brother's grabbed him as well.
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Is this guy fighting and struggling, trying to get away?
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He jumped over some bins and stuff on the other neighbour's side.
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He jumped over the bins and tried to leave for the binway.
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Yeah, I believe. Yeah. He's jumped. Yeah. So he's jumped over the gates. He's fallen onto a car
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on the other side. And he's he's obviously very drunk as well at the minute.
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Just to confirm, no one's seen any weapons. No, no. Such a lie. Such a lie. Vikram had at least
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two knives on him, reportedly, and one was used to stab Henry Novak five times in an altercation
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that lasted. He stabbed him. Henry ran. He stabbed. He caught up with him as he tried to run away
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and stabbed him repeatedly in the back of the legs as he tried to go over that fence
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that the brother was right there. So the brother calls up and says he's been attacked physically
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because of his race and verbally because of his race. What did he say? I don't know. Vikram,
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Were you attacked verbally because of your race?
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And then when asked for the specifics, decided to let Vikram do these specific lies.
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And Vikram then offers that he called him that word, which over in the UK, my information is it's treated like the N-word.
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And so he drops this incendiary allegation, none of which was true.
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Henry had been videotaping part of the confrontation.
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And in fact, what we now know is that there was a recording, a recording two days after the murder in the police's presence where detectives secretly recorded these two brothers speaking in Punjabi to one another.
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And in this discussion, Digwa, Vikram Digwa, admitted to his brother that he had stabbed Novak and made no mention of his earlier allegation of racial abuse.
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Instead, he agreed with the brother that he would claim that this was self-defense.
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These two brothers knew all along what had happened.
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For some reason, they decided to confront Henry Novak, who was alone.
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and they murdered him. Vikram Digwa murdered him. And the mother wound up being an accessory
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after the fact. That's what happened. There was no racial abuse. If there was any racial abuse,
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it was by the Digwa brothers against Henry, who may have been targeted just because he was a white
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man walking home alone. And that's the 911 call in which you hear the brother lie repeatedly
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over and over and over. He lies. There were so many lies in there. And most specifically,
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there were no weapons involved. Really? How'd he get stabbed? What happened there? Walk me through
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it. He attacked us racially. No, he didn't. He physically attacked us. No, he didn't.
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Did he racially say anything to you? No, the answer is no, but we heard a lie on there about
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that slur. He grabbed my brother's hair and pulled off his turban. Zero evidence of that.
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If Henry did any of that, it was in self-defense as he was getting stabbed five times. And then
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he tells him there are no weapons, and he knows full well that the brother has been stabbing
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Henry Novak. Now, this comes out at the same time we learned that the police in London had an
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initial plan to portray Henry as the aggressor. The Sunday Times of London revealed that the
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police force designed to do this in an official statement that they had put together three days
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after his death, but they changed their wording after Henry's family got word of it and objected.
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An initial police statement they report read as follows.
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It was reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man.
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It has been reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man.
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The Novak family, raw with grief, became concerned that a false narrative was being pushed about their son and pressured the officers to drop it.
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And by that point, the police knew that Digwa was a liar because this was after they had heard the two brothers in Punjabi talking to each other about the fact that Vikram had stabbed Novak and had made no mention of the earlier claim of racial abuse.
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So this has been a lie and a cover-up and a conspiracy to further lie from the beginning and still no accountability for those police officers at all.
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Now, the latest number I saw was that this could take until September of 2027 for the cops to get back to us with whether there's going to be discipline.
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People understand how wrong this is, and that's not going to get it done.
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Then I want to tell you what's happened in the Carmelo Anthony case where it's not going
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They had a rare Saturday court session in which they had multiple witnesses come forward.
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The prosecution ultimately would rest on Saturday after calling 21 witnesses, 21.
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um the most emotional over the weekend was the chief medical examiner dr elizabeth ventura
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who warned that it was going to be graphic testimony and poor austin metcalf's family
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got up and left the room just a quick line for those of you not familiar with the case
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austin metcalf 17 was at a track meet where he was participating his twin brother hunter was there too
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uh carmelo anthony from a neighboring school also 17
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went into Austin Metcalf's team tent where the track athletes would hang and their fans would
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hang, some of whom, and wouldn't leave. Carmelo didn't go to their school. There was no reason
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for him to be in their tent. He was asked apparently by several people to leave. He didn't.
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And then Carmelo Anthony, who's black, took out a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalf,
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who had apparently placed hands on Carmelo in some way that's reportedly described by many
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he was stabbed in the heart. The medical examiner testified that the wound was gaping two and a
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half inches in length and quote, not survivable. The prosecutor showed four autopsy photos to the
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jury. Several jurors appeared emotional, covering their mouths in horror. Hunter held his twin in
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his arms as he lay dying. The witness accounts of the incident have been almost identical,
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but all in favor of Austin's version, or I guess the Hunter's version, to be fair. Austin is no
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longer here. 18-year-old Eddie Parra, a teammate of Austin's at Memorial High School, took the stand.
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He was in the tent. Carmelo was there. I dabbed him up, Parra said. I think he just means like
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there was a greeting of some sort. I don't know what dabbed him up means. I mean, dabbing is like
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the arm motion in any event. He says that he was asked who he noticed in the tent. Carmelo was
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there. He was asked if he thought it was weird that Anthony was in the tent. Yes, because teams
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are supposed to be at their own tent. He broke down on the stand when describing the stabbing,
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saying he noticed blood and a hole in Austin's chest, and that Austin started screaming.
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The prosecutor asked Parra if the case was about race or self-defense, and Parra said
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He was then asked who was in the wrong that day.
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One team witness disputed the claims of self-defense being raised by Carmelo Anthony.
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He's not being identified because he's underage, but he said he did not believe this was a
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That was lethal force against non-lethal force, he said.
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When the prosecution rested, the defense moved for a directed verdict, which is a matter of course for these cases.
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You say, the prosecution hasn't met its burden.
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The judge says no in 99.99% of those cases, as happened here as well.
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They called Centennial High School track coach Adam Linwood to the stand.
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He said Anthony's teammates nominated him to be captain, trying to paint him as a choir boy.
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That athletes often go into other teams' tents to mingle.
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The prosecutor asked, is there any reason an athlete should have a knife at a track meet?
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Anthony's defense team argued he acted in self-defense.
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barring athletes from going into other teams' tents.
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Just FYI, there were multiple witnesses on Friday
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And the six teens who were on the stand on Friday
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four of them were black all testified on behalf of austin metcalf because carmelo anthony's family
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and their spokespeople have tried to make this a racial thing there's zero evidence race had
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anything whatsoever to do with it nothing nothing has been submitted by anybody uh and four of the
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teens who testified that this was carmelo's fault and not in self-defense were black
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don't know what percentage of the ones who testified on saturday if any
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were black. But they're all telling the same story, that Carmelo was not known or wanted
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under the Memorial High School tent because he didn't go there, that multiple kids asked him
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to leave and he refused, that Austin Metcalf took the lead, something that kids say was normal for
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him, that Carmelo challenged Austin to a fist fight. That's actually the first time we've heard
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that claim. That was one witness who said that, that Austin responded, I'm not going to fight you
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at a track meet, bro. And when asked, let's see, by the defense attorney, did Austin grab hold of
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Carmelo? Teen number four said he didn't get the chance to. He was already stabbed. Teen six
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described watching the verbal back and forth between Austin and Carmelo. While Carmelo had
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his hands in his backpack and claimed he had something in his bag, the vein in his arm was
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visible, said teenager number six. It looked like he was grabbing something. And then there's this
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from some of the shit-stirring supporters outside of the courthouse
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or and beyond. This was, I think, it was just at a turning point event, SOT-16,
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or just a turning point table near the proceeding. I'm not sure exactly where this comment was made.
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you know it was to a turning point correspondent outside of the court listen to this nonsense
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thought 16 if evidence does come out that carmelo was not in fact fighting for his life when he
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stabbed and killed austin metcalf do you think that the black community will accept that
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if if evidence shows that he did not no we're gonna stand by ours regardless they stand by theirs
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we're gonna stand by ours regardless i'm a mother first i'm a black mother let me put that on there
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I'm an African-American mother, so I have to put away my color first
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so I do want to send prayers to Austin Metcalf, their family.
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But at the end of the day, I've got to think, like, okay,
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what did you do to them or whatever to cause this to happen, the reaction.
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We've got to start taking accountability for our kids.
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Because then again, if my kid, that's why I said Catch-22,
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And too, if my kid was Carmelo and I feel like his back was up against the wall, I'm
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going to tell you straight up, better mine than yours, better mine than yours.
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If we're going to start taking accountability for our kids, that means Carmelo should own
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I'm not alleged I did it and he should pay the price for it.
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I'm sorry for Carmelo Anthony and his family, but he should spend the rest of his life in
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He took a man's life in cold blood for no reason.
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That's what some of the prospective jurors were saying that got them bounced.
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And then he had some faction out there saying it was racist to bounce them.
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That somehow the prosecution should be fine putting on black jurors who were like,
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Oh, okay. This is an absurd attitude. She's a racist. That's what she is. She's a raging
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racist. They come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. And it's disturbing that if she's some
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sort of representative of the community down there in Frisco, Texas, God help the wheels of justice.
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and I predict that Carmelo Anthony will be found guilty,
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and this woman and others who have that kind of attitude
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will claim racism, and we will cover it for a day,
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and then we will promptly move on with our lives
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while Carmelo Anthony spends the rest of his life in prison.
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I hope it was worth it to feel like a tough guy in the moment.
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robbed Austin Metcalf of his entire life, his twin brother, of his brother's companionship,
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his poor parents, who now will spend every anniversary and Christmas and birthday
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wondering what might have been. It's the callousness with which some people talk about
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this, the cavalier nature of, we've got to stand by ours. What are you talking about? What if yours
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Would that play on your heartstrings at all?
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that the trial's not going well for the defense.
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No one's buying this bullshit claim of self-defense.
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They, per independent journalist, Brianna Morello, who's reporting from inside the courthouse, the defense witness took the stand. He's a teen, will not be identified. According to prosecutors, this teen told police that Carmelo Anthony was surrounded. There's a videotape of it, people. It's not very good. Apparently it's pretty grainy, but you can see bodies. You can see where people were. And prosecutors replayed the video of the stabbing.
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um this must have been on cross obviously because the prosecution is rested we're in the middle of
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the defense case now the teen admitted he actually couldn't tell if they had surrounded Carmelo from
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the footage they hadn't they hadn't there's been multiple eyewitnesses to say no the teen earlier
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said that they ganged up on him now the teen says he doesn't want to use the term surrounded
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to describe the scene right because the videotaped evidence belies it so yeah not going well for
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team defense. And that is a good thing because this defendant happened to admit it on the spot.
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I'm not alleged. I did it. And he doesn't seem particularly sorry. There's been no expression
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of remorse whatsoever. So he's a threat, not only obviously in this case to Austin Metcalf,
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whose life he took, but to society. And what do we do with people like that? We lock them up.
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We lock them up. That's what should happen to him, in my view. Up next, Mike Rapoli is here
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our attention following Golden Tempo's stunning victory in the Kentucky Derby last month.
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Mike Rapoli is a serial entrepreneur and owner of Rapoli Stable, which has more than 300 race
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horses. His horse, Renegade, was all the buzz at the Derby. It was the favorite, but it came in
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second, notwithstanding a great race, to Golden Tempo at the Kentucky Derby that day, who came
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from behind and blew everybody away. And Renegade and Golden Tempo back in action over the weekend
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for the Belmont Stakes. We'll get to that in a second. But it was Mike Rapoli's reaction
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to his horse losing the Kentucky Derby that made me fall in love with him from afar.
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His horse, the favorite, had just lost. That's a disappointing moment for any owner.
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His jockey, who also was very well respected and expected to win, came over to him.
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No, no, because you see that jockey happened to be brothers with the jockey who was on
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And when they crossed the finish line, they held hands together.
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But you'd think that Mike Rapoli is the owner of Renegade, the horse is the favorite that didn't actually manage to win that one.
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Might have been a little bit in a bad mood that day or in that moment.
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And instead, when his jockey, again, the losing brother that day, came back to speak to him, this is what happened.
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That's why you're the best rider in the country, okay?
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And if you're ever going to fucking lose, you lose to your brother.
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That was a fucking unbelievable rat, yeah?
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I know the audio is a little tough, but here's what he said.
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Jokingly, he says at the top, F your brother, because he just lost to him.
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He's hugging and kissing him, which you can't see if you're just listening to our program.
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But he's hugging and kissing the jockey the whole time, saying, you're the best rider.
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He says, if you're ever going to lose, you lose to your brother.
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He said, you did everything right, everything right, as he's hugging and kissing him.
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So he's making his jockey feel better about the loss
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How were you able to find that magnanimous spirit
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Well, I think you have to go back a little bit.
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I was a kid from Queens who used to cut out of school and go to aqueduct.
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And I think my first entree to being an entrepreneur was taking money from my mom and dad and sneaking out at the track and trying to make an investment back.
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Because if I didn't make my money back at the end of the day, I'd be in big trouble.
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So I've been blessed to have so many special horses, been in the game for about 20 years.
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For people who don't know, I'm now 0 for 12 in the Derby.
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uh that two of the favorites scratched and um you know you fall in love with um you know my
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trainer Todd Pletcher I have a great relationship with Johnny Velasquez there you saw Irad Ortiz
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you know that's the team and I know Irad and Jose since they were 19 18 year old kids
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they came from Puerto Rico I have a brother who's 15 months younger uh he was a New York City cop
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I'm a serial entrepreneur uh my dad's a waiter from France and my mom's a seamstress from Italy
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And, you know, I'm a first-generation kid like these two, and neither one won the Derby.
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But Irad and both Renegade, obviously, together, gave it their all.
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Irad, to be in that one post, get banged the way he did at the beginning, to fight through that adversity,
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to make every single possible move correct for two minutes,
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and to get to the lead and three or four seconds right before the finish to get caught at the wire.
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You know, it wasn't just Mike Rapoli, the owner.
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And, you know, I just went down there and I just, you know, I'm in my mid 50s.
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And I saw a young kid who's the best jockey in the country that hasn't won the Kentucky Derby.
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And all I saw there was a was a nephew that was gave it his all.
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And I just looked at him as just who he is, just a great kid who, you know, Megan, I have a think, dream, big, think, big, dream, bigger philosophy.
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And, you know, of course, the Derby is important to me, but I'm so blessed with so many dreams I've already accomplished.
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I can't believe you had the presence of mind in the moment because I mean, I know some people in horse racing and like the moment right after you lose when you're, you know, you had a shot at winning is a very tough moment.
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It's like the disappointment is pretty acute. But in that moment, you were building him up.
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You were there for him. And technically, you're way above him on the totem pole.
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But like there wasn't a moment of reproach. There wasn't like keep him away from me.
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I can't talk to him right now. There was only you hugging and kissing him, telling him what a great job he did, what a badass he was.
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I've been married to my wife, Maria, for 26 years,
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I have a 10-year-old daughter, Joya Mia, which means my joy in Italian.
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So, you know, I know this feeling about having young kids and what they've done.
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And, you know, again, you know, you said something, the totem pole.
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I mean, you know, my grandmother passed away five years ago at 90 years old.
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And then he was a banquet waiter at Lexington Marriott.
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because I told them at the top of the first hour
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You still are the guy who grew up in that apartment
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that if it was a thousand square foot, it was a lot.
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You know, listen, you can never forget where you came from.
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But not only do I know where I came from, I know what my parents came from.
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And someone told me that you grew up in the suburbs of Saratoga.
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So I'm sure wherever you live now, wherever I live now, our homes are a little bit different
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And, you know, I shared a room by my brother for 28 years, and I only got my own room because
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and and your friends and you know I had 75 family and friends member there you know when they crossed
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the line I mean I put my head down for a good 45 seconds and I could just hear people like my
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daughter crying my wife crying people in agony and once I put my head up you know it's it's it
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was about them and they wanted it for me more than I wanted for myself and then it was very easy for
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when I saw Irat in that moment, just to, it was just about him, man. And, and, you know,
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there's no one that loves winning more than me, Megan, but no one who accepts and learns from
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losing more than me. And I think you can learn, you actually learn more than losing in life than
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actually winning. And some people forget about that message. It takes a big man though. I have
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to say again, I don't, I don't know you at all. I don't, now I know, now I've, I've learned that
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you invented, came up with smart water and vitamin water. Got it. Yes. Very familiar,
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but I didn't know you at all. And then, and then I just thought you were into horse racing. And I
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realized you're this very successful entrepreneur, but I'm, I was so impressed by it, Mike. I got to
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say, it's like, there's so many examples in the news and I've, I've heard your mouth. So I think,
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I know you're not going to be offended. So many douchebags out there. It's like great to see
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somebody who just makes you feel good about our country, our athletic events, you know,
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winning and losing, who projects the right attitude to the kids. I was watching that with
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my kids. I'm like, you see that? Look at him. Look what he did. You know, you were an example
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in the moment. We have two few heroes out there. So thank you for being one of them. And along
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with I read showing, showing my kids and others across the country how to lose grace, gracefully.
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Yeah. And you said the word that I'll use, you can still be a likable douchebag. You know,
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you don't have to be, it doesn't always have to be controversial. I mean, you know, trust me,
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If you ask me my wife for 80, you know, 26 years, if you ask her if I'm an asshole, she'll say yes.
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If you ask you, do you love me? She'll say more than anything.
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So, you know, the biggest thing I try to I try to portray to my daughter, who's 10 years old and even even others.
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I mean, I'm always going to be Mike from Queens. I always try to tell kids, just be yourself.
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Just be you. We live in a society where we worry more about what people think or what people want us to say.
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And at the end of the day, it's I think it's really why we have so many unhappy children, unhappy people.
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They go through life faking it. I mean, be yourself, be proud.
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And and, you know, listen, you can agree to disagree.
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Reason why I have the same friends for 45 years is they can complain to me about anything they want.
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We've had this incredible life, incredible journey taken together.
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And, you know, once in a while, my my friends of 45 years have to have tough conversations with me.
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recently they uh they came to me with a very serious subject and they weren't happy with the
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food on the private plane it's a very very serious subject you know considering we used to go to
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mcdonald's and pizza every friday the private plane didn't meet their standards so i had to
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work on that but it's the ability to be real i like that they're leaning in yeah they have to
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they have to feel i have to make them happy man that's my goal in life right so why shouldn't they
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have the best um let's go back to that moment if you'll if you'll permit me at the kentucky derby
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then we'll get to what happened uh this past weekend but at the derby we were all we weren't
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at the derby but we were watching at home because we always get dressed up in my home in connecticut
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and we watch as a family we have our virgin mint juleps and and we watch and enjoy and here was
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that incredible come from behind moment uh by golden tempo renegade right there stop 52
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renegade is in behind that group he's on the rail he's got 10 lengths to make up
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as 6-speed and Denon Burbeter 1-2 on the far turn.
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Mike Smith is so happy you're there to their outside.
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Two and a half back, and then down toward the inside
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comes emerging market as they make their way to the top of the stretch.
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Further ado is getting going on the far outside with commandment.
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They're both putting in their runs as they arrive into the final furlong.
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Oh, Sally is also gaining ground on the far outside
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Denon Bourbon in front, both selling a huge long shot.
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Golden Tempo and Cherie DeVoe make history in the Kentucky Derby
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over Renegade in a final time of 2.02.27 seconds.
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So can you just spend a minute on this horse, Golden Tempo?
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Because, spoiler alert, Golden Tempo also just won the Belmont Stakes.
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He did not race in the Preakness, which was too close in time to the Derby.
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A lot of horse owners decide to make that same choice for the health and goodness of their own horse.
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Because he did it again at the Belmont Stakes, coming from behind to win the whole thing.
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We came in third. We had the lead at the top of the stretch and two horses got outside us and they had the momentum.
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And then I think when Golden Temple got by us, the other horse, Commandment, just went with Golden Temple, who actually came in sixth, I think, in the derby.
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And, you know, you know, when you when you see that moment, you know, you know, I've been blessed.
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I mean, you know, the biggest race I've ever won in my life was in 2022.
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This Belmont Stakes that just was this weekend, I came in first and second with both my horses.
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And I've always said as a kid, I've wanted to win the Belmont Stakes more than the Kentucky
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But now that I've won the Belmont Stakes, I want to win the Kentucky Derby, right?
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So, you know, there's a moment in the stretch that you really might be a 15 second spot
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and you think about dreaming about this race for 40 years and here it comes and it's so close
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and here you go and you can vision it just for 15 seconds and then it ends like that and you
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get caught at the wire and then you got to regroup and you know listen i you you learn more about
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people through adversity anybody's a great friend a great family member things are going great
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everybody's winning everybody's happy but life isn't defined by good times and happiness it's
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good it's it's it's defined by losses and adversity and to me listen it it's i'll say it
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this way toughest loss of my racing life will always be renegade to golden temple the one of
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the best accomplishments in my entire life being a kid from queens is being second in the kentucky
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derby by a head um i think megan maybe six or seven more years of therapy i think i should be
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okay i might be able to get over it but um but you know what you can't change it and now i'm
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starting to look to the 2027 derby right i got something to chase well and also like you had a
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horse you have renegade in the kentucky derby i didn't have that nobody listened to this had that
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that's such an accomplishment what you've done in racing and it's just like a blip on your resume
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it's like an extra that would be a throwaway for uh for you but not for most people would be our
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only accomplishment so all of it is just really it's incredible and you gave us all such a
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thrill. Like that, the horse is, Renegade's amazing. And that moment between the Jockey
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Brothers was just something that was unforgettable. Can I ask you about the, I don't really know a lot
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about horse safety. I think most people who watch horse racing love the horses and they worry about,
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you know, whether they're being well taken care of. And this has been a bit of a scandal because
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there have been a lot of horses who have died in thoroughbred racing. So what's the status of that?
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what's your opinion of of that yeah the unfortunate part of horse racing is any other sport if a horse
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if a person either breaks an ankle or sprains an ankle um you know he's on the shelf for six weeks
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to 12 weeks unfortunately the way these horses are built they have these four legs that carry
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anywhere from a thousand to twelve hundred pounds so unfortunately there is no science right now
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that if they break a leg and it can't be fixed properly,
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they either unfortunately have to be euthanized
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I mean, there's been a lot of done on horse safety.
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there's a there's a safe act which really is about horse slaughter where people can ship horses to
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Mexico or other countries where they actually eat horse as a delicacy and we have a bill right now
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that just got I think it passed one of the houses and if we can stop that we can stop any horse from
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being shipped out for slaughter so there's good work being done better work being done but I
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couldn't sit here and tell you that never will there ever be an injury to horse racing where
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unfortunately they won't have to be euthanized because of the way they're built but you know
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we i mean there's a ton of precautions there's a ton of safety but hey it happens in life it
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help happens in you know if you're driving past midnight it's it's it's it's one it's the saddest
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part of the game that is we've gotten so much better at it but it's not fixable unless you
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completely stopped the sport and but we've done a very good job because i know you also did not
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race renegade in the preakness is the preakness just too close to the derby and can that be
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fixed like why why is it so close that all these great horses who win or come close to winning in
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the derby don't race megan you know i love this sport and i grew up with the sport for the last
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40 years i i came to love it um you know i also have the united football league i'm involved in
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st john's basketball um it's the worst marketed sport in the united states it's the worst run
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sport in the united states um you know there's there's organizations that have been around
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since the late 1800s that unfortunately haven't been able to let go of the sport
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it reminds me megan i heard the clip that you had on ufc well before ufc there was boxing
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and boxing was not regulated properly was not run properly and horse racing is at that stage right
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now. I'm sure you've gone to Saratoga being a girl from upstate New York. And if you bring
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people to Saratoga, it's something they fall in love with. If you've ever been to the Derby,
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it's an event. This year, 25 million people viewed the Kentucky Derby. But the retention
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of being able to hold them isn't there because there's no one really looking at what is the
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best interest as a whole of the entire sport. It's one of the things I'm trying to fight
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for fan interaction, gambling, ownership, breeding.
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I mean, New York State, a lot of the breeding money
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comes from upstate breeders that need horse racing to succeed.
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And I think I really, for the first time in about 10 years,
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I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel that people are now looking to work
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together versus staying silos and only want to fix their spoke of this 10 wheel spoke. But,
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um, you know, I'm sure you're, you love going, but when it's not a big race or a big event,
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you forget about it. The other 362 days a year.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no, I grew up in a suburb of Albany, which is a stone's
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from Saratoga. And we went up there all the time for all sorts of reasons. Saratoga is just charming,
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but the racetrack is like time travel. It's stuck in 1959 in a great way. And they're having the,
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they're having the Belmont stakes there now, because I guess they're redoing the racetrack
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over at the Belmont. So Saratoga it is, but we'll definitely be there. We try to go as often as we
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can in the summer and we'll definitely be there this summer as well. Let me just expand it. The
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time we have left to your, your other, you know, your real empire, all of your work and smart water
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and so on, I read that one of the early business partners you coupled with was Kobe Bryant.
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And that is such a wonderful but tragic story. How did you come to know Kobe? And what did you
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make of his legacy? We started a small or invited one with my partner, Darius Bykov, who was from
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Manhattan and I was from Queens. And we had this $100,000 company that he basically began. And
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it was $100,000 for three straight years. And, you know, we kind of joined together. We had two
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different personalities. It's one thing that I always talk about when you go into business with
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another co-founder or partner, you know, go to business with someone that adds a different point
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of view, not someone who thinks like you or dreams like you, but someone who's got a different
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skill set. I do a lot of sales and marketing. He was ops and finance. He was more visionary. I was
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more strategy and work together. We built this incredible brand, Smartwater Vitamortar. You know,
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was 36 years old and we went from two employees to 600 employees and uh you know we sold for 4.1
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billion but the real story about that was i always believed success is best when shared so
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i started a 10 option pool for all the employees because i wanted everybody to be an owner and you
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know 10 of 4.1 billion is 410 million and when you divide that by 600 employees obviously presidents
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and vps made more but when the receptionist who's making 45 000 back in 2007 is gets a check for
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400 000 and the shipping clerk gets a check for 700 000 and you create 250 millionaires i mean
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it really is a great feeling and i've taken that with me with body armor with noble with kind bars
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with pirate's booty just about making people owners letting them build something with you
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together and i think it's so important that you know oh the stock market is doing so great look
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at this it's one percent of the people why not profit share why not these kids are graduating
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college. I doubt your education is going to cost you as much as your kids' education is going to
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cost you or did. My parents were able to pay $5,000 a year for St. John's. I have one 10-year-old
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daughter. I've already paid for seven college educations, but that's okay. And I'll pay for
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more. But how do these kids graduate to get a $50,000 job? The math doesn't work. So how can
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we get these employees to really share the success with this next generation? Because
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I used to think they had it easier than us till about 10 years ago. And I'm not sure if Megyn
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Kelly's Megyn Kelly and Micropoli's Micropoli, if we were 15 years old today versus being 15 years,
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you know, when we were 15. So to me, that's, that's very important.
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I worry about it too. I worry about it too. It's like, I don't, especially with AI,
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very concerned about the job prospects of our kids. But I love, I love that you've given back
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to St. John, because, you know, that's also not too far away from my hood. And it's, of course,
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I know it from basketball. What I learned in reading up on you is one of the reasons we know
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for basketball is because Mike Ropoli has given $10 million to the program. You've given away
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tens of millions of dollars to so many different cancer researches, Sloan, Kettering, like the list
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is very long. It's got to feel so good, Mike. You know what? It's the best thing I do. I mean,
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I think, I think at the end of the day, I listen, I always know if I'm going to be successful,
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you know i don't look at it like my number or my accomplishment the ability to share it with my
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friends and family the ability to share it with my vitemortar family or my pirate's booty family
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or my junkless family or my noble family all the brands ufl and and and helping people reach their
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dreams to me is is more special than i mean you know listen i didn't want to be the only rich
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person out of my friends and family i wanted everyone to just success so when when vitemortar
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sold you know my brother gave me a hundred thousand dollars my aunt gave me a hundred thousand dollars
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my parents gave me their their life savings and you know I was crazy probably to take it but I
01:42:33.540
was a little naive but you know success is best when shared it's so important and then quickly
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you talked about my relationship with Kobe you know Kobe came to me after he tore his Achilles
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I was friends with him in 07 or 08 and the one thing he said to me is Mike I my basketball career
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at the end. I need to know how to be an entrepreneur. I got another 50 years of my life.
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So I spoke to Kobe in a way that nobody else spoke to Kobe. I mean, I didn't really like him
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in basketball. I wish that he lost every game. But when I knew Kobe, the person, and you know,
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the biggest compliment he gave me, and it was a compliment he probably didn't mean, was there's
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only two people that talked to me like this, you and Vanessa. I said, good, I'm glad. And we built
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this beautiful, beautiful dream. He gave me $6 million and he wanted up, the family ended up
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getting $450 million in total. And Kobe knows that in heaven, his great, great, great grandchildren
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are taken care of and still talk to Vanessa, Natalia, Capri and BB. And you know, it's maybe
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I got to run because we had 15 seconds to the hard break, but God bless you for helping him
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in so many families. If only his prediction of 50 more years had been true. All the best. We'll
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continue to follow it. Thanks for the memories. We're back tomorrow. We'll see you then.
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