The Megyn Kelly Show - SCOTUS Victories for President Trump’s Immigration Agenda, and People Magazine’s RIDICULOUS Profile on the Obamas, with Bevan, Cannon, and Walworth ｜ Ep. 1347

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00:00:59.300 connexontario.ca. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at

00:01:05.760 New East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday. The

00:01:16.640 guys from Real Clear Politics will be here just a bit later to break down the radical left's

00:01:20.820 takeover of the Democratic Party and what it means for America. I mean, it's all well and

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00:01:37.620 the Democrat socialist presence in the U.S. Congress. And they've also increased the size

00:01:45.060 of the squad, which who wanted that? Like, it's kind of amusing when it's a leftist problem,

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00:03:32.500 First, though, there's breaking news out of the U.S. Supreme Court today.

00:03:35.460 Two major wins for the Trump administration when it comes to enforcing the president's

00:03:40.500 immigration agenda.

00:03:41.780 The first case, Mullen versus Altrolado, the court, by a six to three vote, the conservatives

00:03:50.040 against the libs, holding that the federal government can turn away migrants seeking

00:03:55.900 asylum before they've actually crossed the border.

00:04:00.040 The Immigration and Nationality Act allows an immigrant who, quote, arrives in the U.S.

00:04:06.800 in the U.S. to apply for asylum.

00:04:10.900 So it allows an immigrant who arrives in America to apply for asylum.

00:04:17.360 The question before the court was whether an immigrant arrives in the country when he

00:04:22.420 or she crosses the border or when the person is simply standing in Mexico at the border

00:04:29.060 engaging with U.S. agents.

00:04:32.240 The high court agreeing with the Department of Justice position that an immigrant does

00:04:36.700 not arrive in the United States until he or she is actually in the country. Makes sense, right? 0.83

00:04:44.880 Samuel Alito writing for the majority here, quote, a guest does not arrive in a house when he knocks

00:04:51.640 on the front door. So simple. It's so wonderful to hear a bit of common sense from our, you know,

00:04:57.780 our government, which technically the Supreme Court is part of. Sonia Sotomayor writing the

00:05:02.780 dissent, joined by fellow libs Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown-Jackson. She argued that the

00:05:08.760 majority did not properly consider the context of the law, writing, quote, the majority ignores

00:05:14.720 the statutory context and history, not to mention the longstanding position of the executive branch,

00:05:21.460 all of which show that any non-citizen arriving at our doorstep and seeking admission must be

00:05:28.560 inspected and must be allowed to apply for asylum, regardless of whether her foot has crossed the

00:05:35.860 threshold, unquote. I mean, honestly, these libs will do anything to get as many illegals into this 0.82

00:05:41.360 country as they can. You know, they're all abusing these asylum claims. These are lies. And by the

00:05:46.200 way, the vast majority who ask for asylum from Mexico, you know, when they're coming up from

00:05:50.400 through Mexico have come from other countries. Why? If you're so scared about what's happening

00:05:54.880 in your country. Why wouldn't you seek asylum in the very first country you reached? Why aren't

00:05:59.800 you asking for asylum in Mexico? None of them is. This was a Stephen Miller point. It was a very

00:06:04.160 good one. None of them is asking for asylum in Mexico. They want to come here because they think

00:06:09.500 that there's better opportunity. There is, but you're not an American citizen. So get out.

00:06:15.080 That's just how it works. It's I'm sorry, but that's you don't. Asylum is for.

00:06:20.040 I like I'm from a war torn country. There's nonstop killing. You're the first country I 1.00

00:06:27.640 could get to. Please grant me asylum so I can stay here and avoid getting killed. 1.00

00:06:32.500 You travel up from, you know, Venezuela and you want asylum. You crossed how many countries?

00:06:38.600 The answer is no. So Trump has been trying to shut down these asylum claims because they're

00:06:45.980 bullshit. 99% of these are total bullshit. They just know that they have a better shot of like 1.00

00:06:52.780 manipulating the system if they claim, at least under the Biden years, poor dear me, you know, 1.00

00:06:58.420 I throw myself on your mercy, you chump Americans. So Trump came in and said, no more of asylum. 1.00

00:07:05.700 We're not doing that. And of course, this lawsuit resulted. So, and by the way, thank God,

00:07:11.500 conservatives are now in the majority of the court. It's like the best court I've seen in my

00:07:14.780 lifetime. And in a case that's likely to be even more consequential today, the same six to three

00:07:20.300 majority siding with the Trump administration in its effort to end temporary protected status

00:07:27.280 or TPS for Haitian and Syrian immigrants. Now, this decision clears the way for the admin to

00:07:35.420 deport about 350,000 Haitians and over 6,000 Syrians and is likely to have implications for

00:07:42.640 approximately 1 million individuals living in the U.S. under TPS from other countries.

00:07:49.320 The TPS program passed by Congress in 1990 gives the Department of Homeland Security the power to

00:07:53.740 designate a country's citizens as eligible to remain here and to work here because they cannot

00:08:00.900 safely return to their homeland due to a natural disaster, war, or other extraordinary and temporary

00:08:07.720 conditions. TPS designations are supposed to be for specific periods of time, hence the word

00:08:13.840 temporary. But under the law, the designation can be extended before the designation expires,

00:08:20.960 before the terms expire. The Obama admin granting Haitians TPS in 2010 due to the country's

00:08:26.640 devastating earthquake, Syrians receiving it in 2012 because of the country's civil war.

00:08:31.540 I mean, cry me a river. We have our own problems. TPS for both countries extended multiple times.

00:08:39.240 And look, this has been going on for over a dozen years. Go home. Get out. We know our

00:08:45.020 country's better than yours. That's because we filled it with our work ethic and our culture

00:08:50.460 and our values. You being here only dilutes it for us, those who built it and live it.

00:08:56.360 And half of you people, more than half, you won't assimilate. We don't want you. We don't care if 1.00

00:09:02.020 you're offended. Get out. Go home. Go back to fucking Haiti. Sorry. I'm just I'm thinking 1.00

00:09:08.080 about our friends in Ohio who've been dealing with these TPS Haitians for years now who are drunk 1.00

00:09:13.500 driving all over their towns and killing people. This is the whole cats and dogs thing like they 1.00

00:09:19.360 don't want to live like Americans live. And this was supposed to be a temporary it was supposed to 0.99

00:09:28.300 be temporary help. And it's turned into another backdoor way of allowing someone permanent

00:09:34.640 residency here. And they take advantage of all of our public services and our systems. And they're 0.93

00:09:40.560 not respectful in many cases of their neighbors. It's like it had to end. And the libs held on and

00:09:48.140 said, no, they accused the Trump administration of being racist in both cases. And Trump, to his

00:09:56.500 credit, dug in. And last year, they sought to end TPS for both countries. No more Syrians.

00:10:02.860 Sorry, it's not working out. No more Haitians. It's been 16 years. I'm sorry, but you're going 1.00

00:10:10.860 to have to go back home now. But those efforts were blocked by the lower courts who found that

00:10:17.100 the administration did not follow the proper procedures to end the program for these Haitians

00:10:22.420 and Syrians. And in the Haiti case, that the Trump administration was possibly motivated by

00:10:29.100 racial animus, racial animus. I'll get to that in a second. But the Trump administration took

00:10:36.120 the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and today has won. The high court finding that judges

00:10:42.280 are prohibited from reviewing the executive branch's determinations on TPS when constitutional

00:10:49.820 issues are not involved. Justice Alito, again, writing the opinion for the court, quote,

00:10:55.920 a provision of the TPS statute provides there is no judicial review of any determination

00:11:03.800 of or with respect to the designation, termination, or extension of a designation of a foreign state

00:11:11.840 under this subsection. Basically, it's, he says the text is clear and his plain meaning is very

00:11:15.680 broad. That that's confusing. But the bottom line is there's no judicial review for actions like

00:11:21.500 these. All right. It's an executive branch decision. The executive branch has made it

00:11:25.980 and the judges don't get to second guess the executive branch here. Justice Alito also

00:11:30.820 rejecting the racial arguments, which carried the day with the lower courts, quote, none of

00:11:37.180 the cited statements by either the president or the secretary was overtly racial and in substance

00:11:43.240 all expressed policy views that could rest on race neutral justifications, unquote. In her

00:11:49.780 dissent, Justice Kagan argued judges can review if the admin followed the proper procedure to

00:11:55.560 end TPS. So she does think there's a place for judges to second guess the executive and that

00:12:00.860 the majority is ignoring evidence, she writes, of the Trump administration's racism. All right,

00:12:07.340 here's the exact quote. The majority claims to see no evidence that race played any role in the

00:12:13.360 Haiti decision, but the evidence is there plain to see in the president's statements, which the

00:12:18.360 majority, and for that matter, his own lawyers, cannot even bear to repeat, unquote. One of the

00:12:26.120 comments was Trump's famous comment about Haitians eating the dogs in Springfield, Ohio.

00:12:35.020 It turned into like 10,000 memes that were very funny. Like the dogs, like looking, you know,

00:12:44.800 like that when they were having this debate at the presidential debate with Kamala Harris.

00:12:50.220 Remember this? Remember David Muir tried to fact check President Trump on this,

00:12:53.880 but it was a fail. And was it Lindsay Davis? I'm trying to remember who the co-anchor was.

00:13:01.760 In any event, they think Trump is racist for having said that. And here's Ketanji Brown-Jackson

00:13:08.880 bringing up those and other comments during oral argument.

00:13:12.620 What about poisoning the blood of Americans? If you could look at those statements of context,

00:13:18.520 again, they're clearly talking about problems. What about bad genes? Bad genes, quote unquote.

00:13:23.200 again, also not, not racially. They presented them wrenched from context. You can look at each

00:13:29.160 one of those statements. They're talking about problems of crime, poverty, welfare dependency,

00:13:33.460 again, problems that have been emphasized again and again by not just President Trump, not just

00:13:37.820 the secretary, but many others who favor a tough immigration policy. The white South African

00:13:42.420 immigration policy is recent. So that wasn't in Trump against Hawaii. That wasn't the statements

00:13:48.180 It's about Haiti and eating pets and the names that were called with respect to these immigrants, even though they are lawfully in the United States, that those are pretty recent.

00:13:59.320 So let's separate it out. Then what do you say about those kinds of things?

00:14:03.420 Again, by the as the court held in regions, these are statements made in different contexts that are remote in time.

00:14:09.120 They are unilluminating. You know, you know what the truth is, the statements that were an issue that Trump made are factual.

00:14:18.180 they're not complimentary, but they're factual. You know, I've been saying this on the show for

00:14:24.240 years and to people around me and so on. I learned it in therapy many years ago from a

00:14:29.480 great woman who helped me through my first, my first, my only divorce. And here's, here's the

00:14:36.400 bottom line. It's not mean to say something that is unflattering, but true. Like what's mean is

00:14:45.500 to say something for the purpose of hurting another person. That's what meanness is, cruelty.

00:14:50.540 But it's not mean to say, you know, I don't like the following thing about you.

00:14:57.060 There's a thing about you that is not great, and I'm raising it with you now.

00:15:02.760 Trump's statements, I'll go through some of them, that's the category they're in.

00:15:07.480 And the left, you know, they're not really calling it mean, but they're calling it

00:15:10.700 racist. It's like that is evidence of hatred. Animus is like a kind of hatred, racial hatred.

00:15:17.000 And they're saying that his policies are pushed by that as opposed to the fact of that we're sick 1.00

00:15:23.200 of all these illegals taking over our country. Get out, go home. We don't want you. Sorry, 1.00

00:15:33.580 but we don't. And you know what? Poll virtually any black American or Hispanic American and they

00:15:42.620 agree with me. It's not about race. It's about cultural differences. Americans live a certain

00:15:50.000 way. We have certain cultural norms that we abide by. Like when we go to the supermarket,

00:15:57.140 we don't open up the jars and start tasting shit as we're walking around with our toddler in the 0.99

00:16:02.960 cart. We definitely do not look at people's stray cats as possible snacks, nor dogs. We do not think 0.98

00:16:11.940 it would be a laugh riot to get completely hammered and drive down small roads in towns

00:16:17.540 that have welcomed us, endangering the children, who are being killed, by the way. They are being

00:16:22.920 killed, not just because they're drunk, but because they don't know how to drive. And they

00:16:27.980 get behind the wheel of these cars and they just don't care about the Americans and their children

00:16:33.380 pushing about in strollers. And Americans are dying as a result of this. Remember all those

00:16:38.120 testimonials from those people in Ohio where they were all, they were all liars. They were all a 0.99

00:16:42.860 bunch of racists making up shit about the Haitians. Oh, bull. Just stop, okay? And whether it happened 1.00

00:16:48.920 in that one town in Springfield, Ohio, or the neighboring town, what have you, Chris Rufo went

00:16:53.220 out there and put the pictures on his X feed of a cat on the Barbie. All right. So, and the pictures

00:17:01.700 of the Haitian immigrants with the cat. Okay. Here's what Kagan says. She's got, these are 0.80

00:17:09.080 some of the statements that she's upset about. She says, okay. The Haiti plaintiffs have carried

00:17:16.680 their burden. The evidence they have offered includes statements by the president so repellent

00:17:20.920 and racially inflected that the majority declines to put them into print. She's calling them

00:17:26.420 cowards. Indeed, one measure of the president's way of speaking about Haitians is to compare it 0.95

00:17:30.660 with the majorities, which is unfailingly respectful. So here are some of those statements 0.99

00:17:36.640 that I'm quoting her. This is her quoting Trump. Haitians are, quote, eating the dogs.

00:17:43.800 The accent's not, that's mine. It's my imitation of Trump. They're eating the cats. 0.95

00:17:50.920 They're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live in Springfield, Ohio.

00:17:57.100 Okay. 1.00

00:17:58.740 And Haitians are also eating other things too, that they're not supposed to be. 1.00

00:18:07.200 It's amazing.

00:18:08.720 Like, how is that racist?

00:18:10.940 Did she do any probing to figure out whether that's true?

00:18:15.160 Like I said, the stories about what goes on in the supermarkets out there in Springfield,

00:18:19.220 Ohio and the surrounding neighborhoods are pretty shocking. And Haitians in the United States, 1.00

00:18:25.660 quote, probably have AIDS. Well, who knows? And Haiti is a shithole country, which is filthy, 0.93

00:18:34.300 dirty and disgusting. Where is Iran? Why do you think they want to leave it so desperately? 1.00

00:18:40.240 Is it wonderful? Is it Shangri-La? Is it like Bora Bora, but they're just sick and tired of

00:18:45.820 the absolutely perfect South Pacific conditions? No, it's much different than that. No one argues

00:18:52.780 it's a lovely place, but it's their country. Sorry. I mean, that's why we talk all the time

00:18:58.320 about how you've been born with a golden ticket if you're born an American citizen. You're one

00:19:03.720 of the luckiest people on Earth. You won the lottery on your way out the birth canal. I mean,

00:19:09.180 it's amazing. America's got its problem, but it's still the greatest country on Earth, bar none.

00:19:13.800 And one of the reasons we are is because we do generally police our culture and our borders

00:19:18.620 and try to keep our our situation ours.

00:19:22.040 But we've had too many Dem presidents who have not seen it that way. 1.00

00:19:25.820 We've been flooded with immigrants who have nothing in common with us. 1.00

00:19:30.420 And they need to go back home to, yeah, places like Haiti, which, let's face it, is a shithole 1.00

00:19:36.740 country with filthy, dirty and disgusting conditions. 0.98

00:19:39.260 It's not a nice thing to say, but it's not mean, it's not racist, it's true.

00:19:46.300 That's the thing.

00:19:47.800 And at a minimum, it's just a matter of opinion. 1.00

00:19:50.080 In any event, Haitian immigration is, quote, like a death wish for our country.

00:19:54.620 How is that racist? 1.00

00:19:56.500 Truly, what's wrong with her? 0.95

00:19:58.660 And Haitians, she's writing, along with some others, are poisoning the blood of our country.

00:20:04.640 This is so out of context.

00:20:05.880 That was a comment that was made about the drug dealers who were literally poisoning

00:20:09.960 the blood of our country. 1.00

00:20:10.740 This is fucked up. 1.00

00:20:11.420 This wound up in a Supreme Court opinion, like it's just some random comment about immigrants. 1.00

00:20:14.780 They are poisoning the blood of our country.

00:20:16.860 Where do you think the fentanyl is coming from?

00:20:19.400 Where do you think most of these illegal drugs are coming from?

00:20:22.300 The Coke, all of it.

00:20:23.880 Hello?

00:20:25.120 It's not racist.

00:20:26.360 It's true, Elena.

00:20:28.200 You probably didn't notice living in probably some Georgetown penthouse with your guards

00:20:32.560 that our children are at risk. 1.00

00:20:34.440 uh okay and why is it we only take people from shithole countries like haiti and somalia 0.93

00:20:41.440 yes good question also why cannot we have some people from norway and sweden yes uh who among us 0.93

00:20:50.600 was not watching the norwegians do their row thing the row in unison tens of thousands of them

00:20:59.720 celebrating their sports team, playing at the World Cup, organized, clean cut, fun,

00:21:05.480 disciplined, thinking, why can't we have those immigrants? They can come, not permanently, 0.79

00:21:12.280 because Norwegians tend to be leftists. But I'm just saying, yeah, they're clean,

00:21:18.500 they're orderly, they're patriotic toward their country, but whatever. The people we're getting,

00:21:23.920 just as Trump said when he took the golden escalator downstairs, they're not sending

00:21:27.920 their best. We're getting child molesters. We're getting rapists. We're getting murderers. We're

00:21:34.700 getting ne'er-do-wells who like to sit on their couch and live off the public dime. And it doesn't 0.57

00:21:40.580 really matter to us whether they're claiming asylum, they want temporary protected status,

00:21:44.660 they've crossed the border illegally and they've just decided to stay, or they had a visa that

00:21:49.000 expired and they decided to overstay. They need to go home. They need to go home. All right.

00:21:54.400 I mentioned the Springfield, Ohio residents, right?

00:21:58.200 We covered this a lot when it was happening here on the show.

00:22:01.840 You guys remember.

00:22:03.300 We just pulled this one side of a Springfield woman talking about the situation there. 1.00

00:22:08.620 Okay, Elena Kagan says it's all racist, but she doesn't have to live like this. 1.00

00:22:12.620 She's living the life of a U.S. Supreme Court justice. 0.99

00:22:15.380 They live pretty well.

00:22:16.220 They have staff coming out of the ears.

00:22:19.680 Their every wish is catered to.

00:22:21.360 They don't even have to pour their own water. 0.97

00:22:22.660 because she's not living like this woman listen i was looking at the giant holes in some of our 0.76

00:22:28.020 buildings i noticed all of the old familiar spots bearing new signs in an unfamiliar language

00:22:33.740 i watched as groups of strangers walked around the city like lost tourists and it was like a

00:22:39.780 punch in the gut a terrible sadness came over me and i began to cry i immediately started to think

00:22:46.320 back to when i was little walking from my grandma's house on south fountain through downtown

00:22:51.080 and all the way to Snyder Park, going to Wren's to get new school clothes and shoes,

00:22:56.320 the excitement of the mall for lunch at the Blue Fox, or even better to see Santa,

00:23:01.180 riding down High Street, admiring the beauty of those stately homes and their amazing architecture,

00:23:06.900 dropping pennies in the fountain and making wishes.

00:23:09.680 And now all those warm memories are becoming fuel to the fire of anger inside of me.

00:23:15.440 I feel like we have been invaded by some sort of pest.

00:23:18.820 I'm angry that my friends and family are packing up and moving away. 1.00

00:23:22.780 I'm angry that foreigners are using up the resources that were set up for the Americans that reside here. 0.99

00:23:29.200 I'm angry that another country's flag was being flown in our city. 1.00

00:23:33.440 I'm angry when I see our businesses and recreational areas littered with garbage left by people that do not know or understand our laws and culture and are making no attempt to learn about them.

00:23:44.940 And let me be clear, this is not about race. 0.94

00:23:48.800 This is about people being given the privilege of coming here from another country and having

00:23:53.760 no respect for our people, our land, or our life's work. 1.00

00:23:58.660 Right on. 1.00

00:24:00.520 That woman just got validated by the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:24:04.860 Your pleas were heard, madam, by President Trump and by the six conservative justices

00:24:10.540 of the U.S. Supreme Court majority who understood it's his decision.

00:24:14.940 elena kagan can cry in her soup all she wants 1.00

00:24:18.700 she only has two other votes that doesn't make majority and president trump's decision to to 1.00

00:24:26.360 listen to that woman that we just heard there stands this happened right before the election

00:24:33.420 that's why it was raised by david muir in that debate where trump said it we have that moment

00:24:39.560 Let's watch. And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of

00:24:45.300 towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want

00:24:49.320 to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs,

00:24:55.260 the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating. They're eating the pets

00:25:00.980 of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country.

00:25:05.940 Kamala Harris for the listening audience is doing her cackle on the split screen shaking her head

00:25:12.340 no no maybe if you had actually tried to listen Kamala to the concerns of the local

00:25:17.220 residents you would have carried states like Ohio maybe if you had tried listening rather 1.00

00:25:23.460 than scoffing just to show oh what a what a disgusting liar Donald Trump was you would 0.99

00:25:30.900 have gotten a few more votes from people who understood that you might have cared about them 0.98

00:25:34.400 as opposed to just pandering to your elite San Francisco crowd.

00:25:39.300 The president cared.

00:25:41.600 The president listened.

00:25:42.700 The president and the vice president, too, campaigned on this.

00:25:45.960 J.D. Vance went out there repeatedly.

00:25:48.660 Like, they were calling attention to the problems in communities like this

00:25:52.300 to try to bring actual faces and stories to the abstract issue of illegal immigration.

00:25:59.400 Whether it was highlighting what happened to Lake and Riley

00:26:02.300 or President Trump went down to the southern border repeatedly with the moms of girls who'd

00:26:07.080 been killed and boys who'd been killed by illegals. Or this, this issue in Springfield,

00:26:12.080 Ohio with the Haitians. They did a great job of it. And it's one of the reasons he was elected

00:26:16.660 and JD was elected vice president. And this was one of the first orders of business to say no

00:26:22.900 more temporary protected status for these people. Go home. It's time. Get out. And now they've been

00:26:29.660 backed by a six-vote majority of the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Democrats are freaking out.

00:26:36.940 I want to give you some of the reaction that's coming in.

00:26:40.580 Okay, first, the New York Attorney General, Letitia James, she's a big Trump fan, as you know,

00:26:46.440 writes, quote, the Supreme Court's decision to strip TPS from Haitian and Syrian communities

00:26:51.460 is a betrayal of our values and of the promise of our country, the promise our country made to

00:26:57.200 protect people from displacement and harm. I'll never stop fighting for our immigrant neighbors 0.99

00:27:01.620 and loved ones. Fight all you want you lost. Go ahead and fight. You're a loser AG of New York 1.00

00:27:09.000 State. Your opinion means nothing. What matters is the sixth justice majority in the U.S. Supreme 1.00

00:27:16.760 Court that just overruled your argument. So go ahead and, you know, whistle into the wind,

00:27:23.820 madam. No one's listening. Representative Seth Moulton, this guy, I've had enough of this guy.

00:27:30.320 This is the guy I remember tried to sound reasonable on boys and girls sports. Like I

00:27:35.020 have four daughters. I don't know. It's just a question of fairness. And then as soon as he got

00:27:38.780 beaten up by the left, he completely reversed himself like the, you know what that he is.

00:27:44.940 Here's his latest. Donald Trump's Supreme court has ended legal protections for tens of thousands

00:27:49.720 of Haitian and Syrian migrants rather than protect the hardworking families that contribute

00:27:53.720 to our communities, please. Trump's justices are sending them back to the same places they fled.

00:28:02.240 Democrats need to reform the court to preserve our rights and protect TPS families. I mean,

00:28:07.580 that is what a growing segment of the progressives want to do is reform the court. What they mean by

00:28:13.400 that is add seats to dilute the right-wing majority. Like, okay, they're just, they're,

00:28:19.800 they're not as radical as those three Democrat socialists who were elected in New York last

00:28:24.600 night. Well, they weren't elected. They won the primaries, but they're going to be elected because

00:28:28.180 there's no meaningful opposition for Dems in New York. They're not as radical as those DSAs,

00:28:35.040 but they are. They're on the same path. It's, you know, different shades of red, meaning commie.

00:28:43.460 We're not going to pack the Supreme Court, you loon, because you're losing now. You used to win 0.90

00:28:48.480 all the time. When it's a damn majority, you win a lot more as a damn do. What would he have said 1.00

00:28:54.100 if Republicans wanted to pack the court? That never happened. Republicans haven't proposed

00:28:58.620 nightmare things like that over and over and over the way the Democrats have because they tend to

00:29:04.380 want to conserve things. That's generally the way conservatives view institutions and our country.

00:29:11.100 Elizabeth Warren, also known as Chief Lieselot or Pocahontas, the Supreme Court is letting Trump

00:29:16.240 ignore laws set by Congress and send hardworking legal immigrants, are they,

00:29:24.580 into imminent danger in Haiti, Syria, and other violent countries. It's horrific.

00:29:29.820 This decision is a disaster for the rule of law and a disaster for thousands of families.

00:29:33.560 I mean, it's not a disaster for thousands of American families. I mean, I'm sorry they have

00:29:38.180 to go back to Haiti and Syria. I wouldn't want to go there either, but I'm not Haitian. I'm not

00:29:41.960 Syrian. Thank God above I'm a United States citizen. I get to stay here. I'm sorry they

00:29:48.880 have to go home to the countries in which they were born and raised. She's acting like we're 0.78

00:29:55.380 shipping them off to Siberia and to some work camp. You need to go back home now. Your all

00:30:02.620 expenses paid vacation in the United States, courtesy of the American taxpayers, has now come

00:30:09.460 to a conclusion. Goodbye. That's all Trump said. And this is the meltdown. Chuck Schumer.

00:30:17.460 In a cruel and inhumane decision, the Supreme Court just turned its back on more than 300,000

00:30:23.580 Haitians. TPS, temporary protected status, exists for this reason. To protect people when returning

00:30:29.140 home is unsafe. Haiti and Syria remain unsafe today. Instead of showing basic humanity,

00:30:35.360 Donald Trump and his court have chosen fear, chaos and cruelty.

00:30:40.340 OK, the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't choose cruelty.

00:30:43.920 They decide whether they have the power to review something or not.

00:30:47.600 And if the answer is yes, then they apply established legal standards for statutory or other interpretation.

00:30:54.780 And then they determine whether someone has run afoul of the law that that's all they've done here.

00:31:00.480 There's no independent judgment that asylum is good or bad. 0.66

00:31:04.180 Haitians, Syrians are good or bad.

00:31:06.380 None of the stuff I said about culture, none of that.

00:31:08.720 That is for a president to decide.

00:31:12.180 He's an elected leader.

00:31:13.120 He faces the voters.

00:31:14.280 SCOTUS doesn't.

00:31:15.880 That's all they did.

00:31:17.120 So, you know, this is just an attempt to undermine faith in the judiciary at its highest level

00:31:22.700 by someone who has been threatening the Supreme Court for a long, long time.

00:31:28.260 Chuck Schumer.

00:31:29.500 Gotta be ashamed of yourself.

00:31:31.760 Here you go.

00:31:32.880 More and more and more.

00:31:33.880 And they will be, of course, aided and abetted in all this misinformation about how it's just a cruel Supreme Court and a racist President Trump and a racist Supreme Court, for that matter, because they didn't take issue with the president's quotes, the dogs, by the media, by compliant media.

00:31:51.060 And I'll give you one example.

00:31:52.040 As I sometimes as I'm getting ready for the show, I will put on YouTube TV and I'll just check in to see like how big issues that are breaking are being covered.

00:31:59.740 And I meandered over to MS now.

00:32:02.860 I don't even know who this person is, but here's the coverage I was treated to shortly before we came on today.

00:32:10.420 The relevant group here is all TPS countries, all of which are non-white.

00:32:15.720 And that makes its way into Justice Kagan's dissent, where she says Haitians are black, Norwegians and Swedes, not so much.

00:32:23.320 The references of filth, disease and primitiveness are shot through with racial stereotypes and tropes.

00:32:28.160 It is hard to imagine the statements being made today of any white community.

00:32:32.860 And that just stands in such stark contrast, I think, to the decision that six justices of this Supreme Court today made in saying that none of the statements out of the mouth of Trump or Kristi Noem were overtly racial enough to lend themselves to an equal protection claim on behalf of the Haitian immigrants that were contesting the termination of temporary protected status for their country.

00:32:52.800 Lisa Rubin, thank you so much for breaking all that down.

00:32:55.880 Some of those quotes, I've heard them all before.

00:32:57.840 Sometimes they're heartbreaking to have to listen to again, frankly.

00:33:01.800 but thankfully we have more time to talk about all of this. Everyone is staying with me. We have

00:33:06.000 another big decision that we have to dig into. Are you an idiot? My team tells me she's named 1.00

00:33:12.840 Antonia Hilton. I've never heard of this person before ever. And it's obvious why don't get too

00:33:17.620 attached. I'm sure she won't be making it. Um, why are you talking about how heartbreaking the

00:33:23.980 quotes are? Fuck off when no one's paying you for your opinion in the middle of the day on MSNBC 1.00

00:33:28.460 over there. They're actually still pretending to be news during the day. Did you know that 1.00

00:33:32.220 they actually want you to believe that these are news anchor, straight news anchors during the

00:33:36.200 daytime on MS. Now. Well, that's your heartbroken. What? Get it together. Antonia. Uh, per, Oh,

00:33:47.200 her aunt is Soledad O'Brien. My team just sent me that her aunt is Soledad O'Brien. Yeah. Sensing

00:33:53.620 a pattern here. I love that they're zeroing in on Norway and Sweden. How dare, like we would take

00:33:59.940 immigrants from there. Have you been to Norway or Sweden? We were there in June of 2024, literally 1.00

00:34:06.640 two years ago. You could eat off the sidewalks. They are so clean. I mean, Norway in particular

00:34:13.980 is like, it's got the fjords, it's got water that you could splash all over your face and immerse

00:34:20.740 your newborn baby in on like where I grew up, going to my grandparents' boatyard on the Hudson

00:34:26.040 River. But Norway is as clean as clean can get. Everybody spends their time outdoors, even though

00:34:33.680 it's zero degrees most of the year there. And it's pristine. Sweden, too. Sweden's had an immigrant

00:34:39.780 problem. Most of their crime is attributed to the immigrants, and now they're cracking down on them.

00:34:44.360 Now they're deporting. Now they've stopped for a while now importing. But they're suffering some 0.96

00:34:50.000 of the same problems we are because they tried the same experiments that we did under Joe Biden 1.00

00:34:54.700 and really just were following Europe's lead on allowing all these Syrian refugees to go in, 0.89

00:35:00.140 so-called refugees to go in, and suffering the same consequences. So it's not about skin color.

00:35:06.620 There are plenty of native whatever, Norwegians and Danes, for that matter, and Swedes who aren't

00:35:16.520 white had been immigrated, you know, with different families over the years who have

00:35:22.180 grown up in that culture and have the same values as the, as the others do. 1.00

00:35:25.740 But these whole countries like Haiti is, it is a shithole. 1.00

00:35:30.180 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:35:30.620 Like that's why the people don't want to be there. 1.00

00:35:32.740 It's not because the people are black, that it's a shithole. 1.00

00:35:35.880 Obviously not. 0.98

00:35:36.680 We have a very large black population in the United States. 0.96

00:35:39.280 They don't make the United States a shithole.

00:35:40.960 This isn't about the race of the people.

00:35:42.960 It's about the country, the customs and the culture.

00:35:46.520 Sorry, the way it is. And all of it's bullshit anyway, because these Elena Kagan doesn't want 0.97

00:35:53.820 a bunch of immigrants from Cuba, even though they're all brown. She doesn't want them because 1.00

00:35:57.820 they're going to vote Republican. That's why Cuban Americans tend to be the most Republican 1.00

00:36:02.500 among Republicans and certainly among Hispanics. That's why that's the one country they're like, 0.96

00:36:07.360 oh, I don't know about that. They're not talking about making Cuba the 51st state.

00:36:10.500 It's only Puerto Rico, D.C., the places they can control in terms of its left-leaning

00:36:16.460 politics. So whatever, right? Spare me. Here's one more coming in. Representative Summer Lee.

00:36:23.500 She's a squad. Either she's like on the squad or squad light. This extremist Supreme Court just

00:36:29.660 gave Trump the green light to block asylum seekers at the border, which again is a good 1.00

00:36:33.780 thing. That was the first decision. And NTPS protections for Haitians and Syrians. People 1.00

00:36:39.120 fleeing danger deserve compassion, not cruelty. Yes. And we gave it to them. We gave it to them

00:36:45.100 for many, many, many years. Summer. Perhaps given the nature of your name, you understand

00:36:49.900 that there is a season for all behaviors. And allowing people to come into your country to 1.00

00:36:55.340 flee danger is such a season. Does the season go on beyond 15, 16 years? I feel like it's kind of 0.85

00:37:02.600 over. I feel like no season lasts more than a few months at most. People fleeing danger deserve

00:37:10.300 compassion, not cruelty. We must reform and expand the court immediately. God, these people are so

00:37:18.220 dumb. She's from Pennsylvania. It's tough. And now my team tells me Antonia Hilton, who is so 1.00

00:37:24.080 heartbroken at hearing those quotes, she went to Harvard. I mean, honestly, like I put my Syracuse

00:37:31.600 University degree up against these Harvard morons any day of the week. They actually just gave me a 0.99

00:37:37.280 solid liberal arts education. They didn't try to indoctrinate me there, nor at my law school.

00:37:42.800 Now, I was in college at a different time. There were a couple of incidents, but certainly not

00:37:46.920 enough to make me a far left, you know, pinko commie. Unlike Antonia, who feels, I mean,

00:37:53.720 she's clearly new to the business. I'm going to give you a little lesson. When you are playing

00:37:58.340 the role, sweetheart, of a straight news anchor, you don't say things like, oh, those quotes that

00:38:04.820 the losing justice brought up or heartbreaking when it is disputable whether they are or they

00:38:11.380 aren't. You can say heartbreaking if you see a tragic story where someone has been killed or

00:38:17.000 hurt. You can see a maimed American on a stretcher. Yeah, there you can do it, Antonia.

00:38:23.560 But when you're talking about disputed quotes, the context of which is not rendered in full,

00:38:30.280 appearing in a dissent, so it's the losing side, which obviously has an ax to grind,

00:38:34.080 You might want to think twice about expressing your personal opinion, trying to impress your

00:38:38.840 woke bettors over at MS Now. Okay? So that's the Supreme Court today. Great news. I've said before,

00:38:47.920 I say again, it is one of the bright spots right now in American politics. When I go to bed at

00:38:53.240 night and I'm feeling bad about, you know, the country and the direction it's headed in or

00:38:56.900 whatever, the political infighting, I think about the Supreme Court and I feel better.

00:39:00.460 I guess that doesn't say very good things about me and my nighttime dreams.

00:39:05.700 But I do feel grateful for the Supreme Court because I've lived through too many years

00:39:09.420 where we had a not great one and just in general, problematic judiciary.

00:39:15.280 And it's wonderful to know that they're there and that they're a backstop.

00:39:20.400 OK, I want to give you a couple of other updates before we bring in our CP, including in the

00:39:24.960 Carmelo Anthony case.

00:39:26.160 We'll get to it right after this.

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00:40:35.060 terms apply okay so let me tell you what's happening in Carmelo Anthony he lawyered up

00:40:42.260 for his appeal with a bunch of these they're like these higher powered very race-based lawyers like

00:40:50.960 one guy who was chief of staff for Benjamin Crump, who's basically Al Sharpton by another name.

00:40:56.720 And one of them is named Justin Moore. And we just had something extraordinary happen. This

00:41:03.820 is the new appellate lawyer. Okay. One of, I think five or six. And he posted something online,

00:41:14.780 which he then deleted almost immediately, but not, not soon enough. And here's, here's what it

00:41:23.020 reads. 35 years, they showed no mercy. It's clearly referring to the jury because that's

00:41:29.560 the sentence that Carmelo Anthony got. Kind of hard to when the defendant's parents had a press

00:41:35.440 conference mocking the dead victim's father right after the incident. We'll show you that tape in a

00:41:40.860 minute. Y'all non-lawyers can argue about if he were guilty or not. Most real lawyers realize

00:41:48.660 this was a punishment case from the beginning. What he's saying is we all knew he was guilty.

00:41:56.180 The only real opportunity for good lawyering was on getting the sentence reduced,

00:42:01.060 you know, throwing yourself on the mercy of the court, painting him as a sympathetic person,

00:42:04.380 what have you. This is his appellate lawyer who's about to go in there and argue that it was a

00:42:08.960 biased jury because there were there were no black people and three black jurors got struck

00:42:13.460 unfairly with these peremptory challenges or it like this guy is about to make that argument to

00:42:20.680 an appellate court. Meanwhile, he's saying right here, we all knew he was guilty. It's just a

00:42:25.940 question about punishment. That's all. And of course, the jury, of course, they didn't show

00:42:31.320 mercy when the defendant's father mocked the decedent's father at a press tour. This is

00:42:41.080 very unhelpful to Carmelo Anthony's appellate chances. He goes on to say, with that being the

00:42:47.980 case, you simply don't run around going on a press tour touting a false narrative. The false

00:42:54.780 narrative is clearly the racial narrative. That's what the family had been touting and has been

00:43:00.200 dominating the airwaves since the verdict and the one they're clearly getting ready to raise on 0.62

00:43:04.540 appeal around those black jurors being bounced. This is unbelievable. He's like on our side. 0.99

00:43:11.840 I'm pissed, he writes. And it's the people that were around Carmelo who sold this story to folks

00:43:17.720 trying to sell racism for personal gain. Y'all really showed out this time.

00:43:25.500 I mean, welcome to Team Reason, Justin Moore. It's great to have you.

00:43:28.640 um he's right he's right about what he's saying however it's not helpful to the defendant whom

00:43:38.520 is his client okay whom he represents uh who is his client and whom he represents

00:43:44.660 so this went up and then it came right back down and now we've looked into this guy

00:43:52.280 Justin Moore. And it turns out Justin, he's a trial lawyer. His focus is on criminal defense,

00:43:59.040 post-conviction advocacy, complex litigation. Okay. He's worked on a bunch of cases where

00:44:04.640 he's gotten sentences overturned, that kind of thing that he's trying to work with civil rights

00:44:09.260 leaders and so on and represent them. But also it turns out Justin had a brief stint as an

00:44:15.440 assistant district attorney and it didn't last very long because he was accused of DWI. Do we

00:44:25.300 have that? Is that a SOT? Hold on, I'm just looking at my list here. Yeah, we do. Okay, so here in SOT

00:44:31.880 six is Justin Moore seen during the DUI stop and this is 2015. They're, unlike here, playing the

00:44:42.720 racecard. Watch. Around 2.30 a.m., Dallas police pulled more over on 67 near Ledbetter for swerving

00:44:50.200 through lanes. I did like 110 to catch up to him because he was flying. Officers say they can smell

00:44:55.620 alcohol on his breath. And minutes later, you hear more. Try to tell them who he is.

00:45:01.220 In the video, you hear police eventually move more to the back of the squad car as his is towed away.

00:45:21.120 More claims his arrest comes down to race.

00:45:23.580 are you guys are you guys you can hear officers remind him he's being recorded but in the moment

00:45:33.100 he seems to defiantly accept his fate

00:45:35.860 it was and he was fired okay the case was ultimately dismissed he lawyered up he lost

00:45:48.480 his job. I'm going to guess they thought that was sufficient punishment for him. But there you hear

00:45:53.640 him in the on that police body cam saying we've got a district attorney out here. I just would

00:45:57.520 like to have a supervisor out here because he's threatening us saying I'm going to get you fired

00:46:00.620 for arresting me. And the officers can be heard moving more to the back of the squad car as his

00:46:07.020 vehicle is towed away and more is heard claiming his arrest comes down to race. Are you guys members

00:46:10.920 of the KKK? Are you KKK? He asks. And then he calls an officer and Uncle Tom. They tell him

00:46:17.100 you're being recorded. He says, I hope I get fired. I don't want to be a part of the effing

00:46:23.120 Dallas County with this blank. And I hope this is on blank and camera too. It was, and he was fired.

00:46:30.080 So now we see what the background was that got him hired as Carmelo Anthony's appellate lawyer.

00:46:36.080 But his tweet certainly seems a lot more reasonable and less of a race baby than he was in 2015.

00:46:46.120 And here's the moment that he's referring to when he says, of course, of course, the jury had no sympathy and no mercy for Carmelo.

00:46:54.740 Kind of hard when the defendant's parents had a press conference mocking the dead victim's father right after the incident.

00:47:00.620 Remember this? We showed it at the time, SOT 3, with the parents lurking behind their representative, Dominique Alexander, the biggest race hustler in the entire case.

00:47:10.780 watch this jeff metcalf had shown up at the presser and he didn't like that

00:47:15.420 what we've seen at the beginning of this press conference

00:47:20.000 of the father being at this press conference is a disrespect to the dignity of his son

00:47:28.880 is that was disrespectful and just shows you all the character

00:47:38.160 who is not invited,

00:47:43.260 he knows that it's inappropriate to be near this family.

00:47:48.480 But he did it.

00:47:50.460 And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words.

00:47:55.720 Okay?

00:47:55.940 What he has failed into is the political operatives

00:48:01.820 that want to make this thing a political thing of hate

00:48:08.120 yet bigotry and yet racism oh my god we have conservative operatives that have been posting

00:48:16.180 non-stop like did the parents object did the parents say stop that dominique stop

00:48:23.240 he's a suffering father just like we are no no no they allowed it all okay one other update in that

00:48:31.020 case a disgusting thing is happening on tiktok the same as after charlie died where they're

00:48:39.760 celebrating austin's murder making light of it and dancing to it along with a quote viral rap song 0.98

00:48:49.940 called austin bop watch austin bop knife had blood on the tip when he dropped how the fuck 1.00

00:48:56.820 Keep going to stop me and shit, niggas growing up, back, marllo at the box 1.00

00:48:59.240 Uh-uh, I don't sign when he died, la fuck what the school, but I got sigh 1.00

00:49:02.000 Nigga checks, my phone talking about he don't like my shit, he got stabbed by night 1.00

00:49:05.000 Austin Pop, knife had blood on the tip when he dropped 1.00

00:49:07.680 How the fuck he gonna stop me and shit, niggas growing up, back, marllo at the box 1.00

00:49:10.640 Uh-uh, I don't sign when he died, la fuck what the school, but I got sigh 1.00

00:49:13.480 Nigga checks, my phone talking about he don't like my shit, he got stabbed by night 1.00

00:49:16.440 One slissue was over, coughing up blood, he think he got Ebola 1.00

00:49:19.400 Nigga scents him to the spe possa 1.00

00:49:20.520 Has hell all the Drake, feel like I can fly, physics get behind us, I'm waving him 1.00

00:49:26.280 Austin Pop 1.00

00:49:26.800 this is so sick for the record it happened to be all black people they're teens from the look of 0.98

00:49:50.780 it maybe young 20s in that last case um the words are austin bop knife had blood on the tip when he

00:49:56.540 dropped coughing up blood you think he got ebola that song was uploaded to apple music on june 10th

00:50:03.180 the day after anthony was convicted according to libs of tiktok the song was also on spotify but

00:50:08.080 it's not currently the artist is some little known 600 naughty which has one album released

00:50:14.540 in march and the artist topic page on youtube only has 236 followers but the kids on tiktok

00:50:19.720 love it they love making light of austin's murder um they have a post of him under this 600 naughty

00:50:30.700 that shows austin metcalf's face and a sign that reads i learned my lesson

00:50:35.980 that like accompanies that single it's so sad what we've become i mean lucy martinez is still

00:50:43.960 working in, was it a preschool in Chicago?

00:50:47.580 The one who did the fake shooting into her neck

00:50:50.760 as the Charlie Kirk is the Turning Point vehicle went by.

00:50:55.400 There have been so many people who've done this

00:50:57.280 in the wake of Charlie's death.

00:50:58.600 And now we see this in the wake of Austin Metcalfe's death.

00:51:00.840 And he was a civilian.

00:51:01.820 He wasn't political.

00:51:02.640 He wasn't doing anything.

00:51:04.220 He literally did nothing wrong.

00:51:06.660 We got to find our soul.

00:51:07.840 We got to get back into those church pews

00:51:10.280 and pray for enlightenment.

00:51:12.500 And in the case of these kids, forgiveness.

00:51:13.960 and their parents need to step in and remind them of what love is, what kindness is, what

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00:52:31.440 megan joining me now our pals from real clear politics tom bevan he's the co-founder and

00:52:39.920 president of rcp carl cannon he's the washington bureau chief at real clear and andrew walworth

00:52:45.800 real clear's chief content officer great to see you guys let's start with scotus and the big

00:52:52.220 decisions today um we've been talking about it because it's an excuse to revisit they're eating

00:52:58.840 the dogs and that whole thing sprung a thousand memes which why don't why not let's let's just

00:53:11.080 take a walk down memory lane because it's what led to this whole business at the supreme court

00:53:15.220 that was resolved in trump's favor watch they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're

00:53:21.360 eating the cats they're eating they're eating the pets they're eating the pets of the people

00:53:28.260 that live there.

00:53:58.260 they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats.

00:54:05.240 They're eating the pets. And this is what's happened in our country.

00:54:08.940 They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets.

00:54:14.740 And this is what's happened in our country.

00:54:21.360 This is good, clean fun. Good, clean fun. Now what happened, Tom Bevin, is Democrats

00:54:27.940 tried to argue those were all racist statements that showed Trump's racial animus toward Haitians.

00:54:34.160 And by the way, they said he's also racially animus. He holds it against Syrians and that

00:54:40.620 therefore his effort to end their temporary protected status needed to be overruled by this 0.88

00:54:45.160 Supreme Court and the high court was not having it in a 6-3 decision saying, nice try. But no,

00:54:52.080 it's the executive decision and we actually don't, we don't review that. That's up to him.

00:54:56.880 That's not a Supreme Court call.

00:54:58.480 Thank God, because we had too many years and too many decisions where the people in the robes, unlike Antonin Scalia, who said, what do you mean?

00:55:04.420 There's nine people up here in robes.

00:55:05.680 Why do you want them to decide these things?

00:55:07.260 You got to go to the people who you elected.

00:55:09.080 These types of issues get decided by those people who are accountable to you every two, four or six years.

00:55:13.880 And finally, you have a Supreme Court that gets it.

00:55:15.940 Your thoughts?

00:55:17.120 Yeah, I mean, this and the other the other Supreme Court decision on the asylum claims that came out today.

00:55:23.920 Both were 6-3.

00:55:25.140 all three female liberal justices on the court seem to think that we're opposed to these

00:55:31.880 decisions, right? Want people to be able to say, you know. Well, Amy Coney Barrett is in the 0.99

00:55:36.720 majority. And well, okay. Touche, Megan. I'm going to say like one woman on the court did

00:55:43.040 the right thing. He said women. I said liberal. But no, but it's a sort of good example of how 1.00

00:55:50.840 liberals and conservatives view, I think, immigration. On the one hand, the three liberal

00:55:56.380 justices think that you can claim asylum even if you're not physically in the country. And the

00:56:02.600 court said, no, that's not true. And then the other one, and we talked about this on our show

00:56:06.060 a little bit. I mean, the temporary protected status was given to the Haitians in 2010 for

00:56:11.940 an earthquake. It was given to the Syrians in 2012. Temporary protected status was never meant

00:56:18.480 to be forever and uh so you know in in that sense i think it was uh a good decision on the court uh

00:56:26.720 by the court to say hey this is not this is not our purview but also to say to point out the fact

00:56:32.080 that um you know there shouldn't be temporary protected status should not be forever um that's

00:56:39.200 something that that has been abused yeah exactly i mean it's it's in the title but it's been abused

00:56:43.920 badly for for years and years but carl we're having a leftist meltdown now that's already

00:56:49.080 cued talks of we need to reform the supreme court and pack the supreme court i mean this is where

00:56:55.620 they go knee jerk it's like the one court they don't control they control most of the circuit

00:57:00.220 courts the the liberals in the country they certainly control a lot of federal district

00:57:04.260 court judges as we've seen in trump's first year and a half but they don't control the u.s supreme

00:57:08.820 court right now so it needs to be packed or quote reformed as a result of these decisions yeah you

00:57:13.020 You know, I was wondering about this case because I didn't think it was that difficult a case.

00:57:17.880 You know, these executive orders or orders of Congress that, as Tom said, you know, they're issued 15 years ago.

00:57:24.840 Why can't an administration change them?

00:57:27.120 Someone has to be able to someone has to have the authority to change them.

00:57:29.440 And I was wondering if it wasn't 6-3.

00:57:31.460 And I was thinking, well, I'm curious what you think, Megan.

00:57:34.660 Would Elaine Kagan even have voted that way?

00:57:36.840 Is it is an easy vote for her because she stays out of the crosshairs of the of the progressives because she knows that it's going to pass.

00:57:44.640 And so do Moyer. I mean, I don't know if you saw it, Megan, but Haiti just got demolished by Morocco in the World Cup and they had such a bad week.

00:57:54.460 Maybe she just felt sorry for them, but it wasn't.

00:57:57.380 I'm sure it'll be in their next petition for temporary protected status.

00:58:02.200 Another devastation.

00:58:04.600 Well, they've had a bad week.

00:58:06.000 I feel for the thing, Andrew, this will be spun. This will be spun. It's being spun right now over on MSNBC as like, this is heartbreaking. Trump's racism permitted by this, you know, compliant Supreme Court, as opposed to what Tom said, like temporary, temporary 2010. It's now 2026. And we're not the world's babysitter. We don't have to protect and care for the toddlers forevermore.

00:58:31.960 We got them through their difficult period. Now, sadly for them, they're Haitian, so they have to go home. 1.00

00:58:38.640 It's a brushback to court power, which is always a good thing in my view. 1.00

00:58:45.080 But, you know, I'm always struck by like Hakeem Jeffries.

00:58:47.940 I think he only can say illegitimate Supreme Court.

00:58:51.480 He cannot call it just the Supreme Court. And I do think that that's a danger.

00:58:56.360 I mean, the one thing that the Democrats are doing is sort of illegitimizing the the one body that Americans, at least for a long time, still had some faith in.

00:59:08.320 So, you know, I think that what you'll see is, you know, when they get rid of the filibuster, they will pack the court, like you say.

00:59:17.540 And I think that's coming as soon as they gain power.

00:59:21.460 And every time one of these things happens, the biggest constitutional crisis we've had.

00:59:26.360 in 50, 75 years.

00:59:28.660 Megan, can I ask you a question about that?

00:59:30.340 Suppose they get the Senate 0.52

00:59:32.040 and in two years, just war game

00:59:34.360 about three years, they get the presidency and they do this.

00:59:36.300 They add, I don't know, four or five

00:59:38.420 seats to the Supreme Court.

00:59:39.960 Why don't they think that the

00:59:42.320 Republicans then, when they

00:59:44.320 took power, would then appoint

00:59:46.260 not four or five, but 15 conservative

00:59:48.480 judges? Why do they think this

00:59:50.360 would be the end of it? That's what I don't understand

00:59:52.180 about this constant tit-for-tat

00:59:54.060 and constant escalation

00:59:55.720 by these two parties that I know these are not well thought out plans I mean it's honestly

01:00:02.560 it's sort of similar to what's happening on team GOP right now where they're saying let's get rid

01:00:07.520 of the filibuster because you know it protects minority rights in the senate and the republicans

01:00:12.920 are probably soon going to be minority in the senate if not this midterms then in 2028

01:00:20.420 That may be what John Thune is thinking, right?

01:00:22.500 Average shot.

01:00:23.140 Yeah.

01:00:23.700 Yeah.

01:00:24.120 I mean, I know it's controversial because it's much more red meat satisfying to say, 0.64

01:00:29.080 F it, get rid of the filibuster, shove through the SAVE Act.

01:00:32.440 Then the filibuster's gone.

01:00:33.980 There's no minority rights.

01:00:35.040 And as soon as we have a Democrat president with a Democrat-controlled Senate in-house, 0.99

01:00:38.520 they're going to undo the SAVE Act.

01:00:40.380 If it can be done with the wave of a wand and 51 votes, it can be undone with the wave

01:00:45.660 of a wand and 51 votes.

01:00:47.040 And then the filibuster's gone forever.

01:00:48.360 I was going to say, is there any doubt in your mind if Democrats take the Senate? And this is Trump's argument. It's like, you guys are being foolish because as soon as the Democrats take the Senate, they're going to do away with the filibuster. I mean, is there any question in your mind that's what they'd do if they win the Senate?

01:01:03.560 There's some question.

01:01:04.600 Okay.

01:01:04.960 Yeah. I mean, there are still some more moderate Democrats who I think might be the McConnell...

01:01:12.480 It's all going to come down to Fetterman again.

01:01:15.240 Angus King.

01:01:15.820 I'm just like not totally convinced that every Democrat would vote for that.

01:01:21.300 And you are going to need all of them to vote for that in order to make it happen.

01:01:24.560 And I don't I'm just like maybe a traditionalist in this regard.

01:01:27.880 I just think minority rights do matter. 1.00

01:01:31.140 It's like that slowing things down in the U.S.

01:01:33.620 Senate has helped Republicans far more than it's helped Dems.

01:01:38.480 Dems are the ones who want to push through everything.

01:01:40.000 When I make a law about everything, Republicans are kind of like, leave me alone, get government

01:01:43.340 off my back for the most part.

01:01:45.300 And so the Democrats are the ones who use legislation way more. And the Republicans are in the minority trying to use their filibuster to stop it. I just think, like, who's going to hurt more as a result of no more filibuster? And I think it's going to be the GOP. So we'll see. OK, let's keep going, because what happened yesterday was fascinating in in New York, alarming, disturbing and fascinating from a political standpoint.

01:02:09.780 Here's Van Jones. This is before we had the final results, but he saw it coming and he made a good prediction on it.

01:02:16.240 Here's thought seven.

01:02:17.880 Well, New York City matters because the two most exciting left wing candidates are here, AOC and Mondani.

01:02:25.420 But also, this is the stronghold for the establishment, Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.

01:02:29.820 This is a battle between the establishment and this insurgency.

01:02:35.100 And the roof is collapsing on the Democratic Party establishment tonight.

01:02:39.420 If Mamdani gets a hat trick three out of three, this is a new era for the Democratic Party.

01:02:45.660 And you can't write off New York City because this is the place where both it's a power center for the establishment and the insurgency.

01:02:54.220 And they're going head to head tonight. And right now, this is not no longer a movement.

01:02:59.000 This is a movement and a machine at the same time. And there's just no way to sugarcoat this.

01:03:04.660 if mom donnie pulls off the hat trick is a new era in democratic party politics

01:03:09.280 and andrew he did he did pull it off and now as the kids say he has aura you know he's like

01:03:17.020 he's got some swagger as like a king maker instead of being this weirdo that just these

01:03:22.620 crazy libs in new york city elected yeah he's got the juice right now um it is interesting how much

01:03:27.800 of uh how the the local and the national have come together in new york we've got hakeem jeffries and

01:03:33.600 And you've got AOC, you know, all these sort of politicians sort of in one place about this.

01:03:43.660 And, you know, Hakeem Jeffries has said, oh, well, what does it matter what happened to these deep blue,

01:03:48.640 couple of deep blue districts inside New York?

01:03:50.320 It matters a lot because nationally, the Republicans will try to tie the party to these far left candidates

01:03:58.560 who are all going to say crazy things.

01:04:00.040 They've already said crazy things.

01:04:02.040 And at the same time, if you're a Democrat, a centrist Democrat,

01:04:05.900 you've got to be really worried right now that you'll get primaried tomorrow

01:04:10.000 by some 22-year-old or 25-year-old graduate student from Columbia,

01:04:18.500 and they'll win.

01:04:20.560 It's crazy.

01:04:21.840 But this is the state of the Democratic Party right now,

01:04:24.560 and I think if you're a centrist Democrat, you should really be worried right now.

01:04:29.000 Well, Andy, we had Henry Olson on our show yesterday, Megan, not just centrist Democrats.

01:04:34.440 This is a very liberal Democrat.

01:04:36.140 This this guy.

01:04:37.200 Oh, yeah.

01:04:38.120 Well, Dan Goldman, he led the impeachment against Trump.

01:04:42.200 The other guy was the other guy was the head of the Hispanic caucus who said he was rooting for Mexico in the World Cup.

01:04:47.700 These are not moderate people.

01:04:49.140 These are very, very liberal people who are challenged by very radical left wing people.

01:04:54.380 And what Henry Olson said on our show is that the ripple effects of this are that every Democrat in the House now, all at Hakeem Jeffries Conference, is going to be looking over their shoulder.

01:05:04.840 And if they disagree with the progressives on anything, you know, as you said, Andy, some college student will rise up and challenge them.

01:05:13.280 And the DSA, which Van Jones correctly says, not just a movement, but also a machine, will mobilize all these young people in their districts to vote against them.

01:05:20.440 So the Democratic Party has a, well, it's a real reckoning within the Democratic Party now.

01:05:26.020 We've been talking in the mainstream media for 10 years now how Trump wrecked the Republican Party.

01:05:32.140 What do they think this is doing to the Democratic Party?

01:05:35.760 You know, Tom, I heard you guys talking yesterday about the Israel factor.

01:05:40.500 And I mean, if I were a Democrat running for office against one of these DSA candidates,

01:05:43.980 I would make perfectly clear that I don't support more aid to Israel and I don't support

01:05:50.460 APEC's influence over American politicians. I would not let anybody get to my left

01:05:54.720 on that issue because you will lose as a Democrat now. You cannot be in yesterday's

01:06:03.080 Democrat party on Israel, or you're going to lose if you're running against one of these

01:06:06.820 DSA candidates in one of these districts that's liberal. But you are making the point

01:06:11.900 that the post October 7th sympathy from the left is basically gone for Israel. And now it's been

01:06:18.880 replaced by hostility from the left and even on the right. And the reason it jumped out at me,

01:06:25.640 among others, is because it was a year ago, Tom, it was a year ago, it was last summer,

01:06:30.500 when I made that point myself to Piers Morgan on his show. And I said it as an Israel supporter,

01:06:38.680 I said they, Israel's lost all the support of the Democrats and the independents are gone.

01:06:43.820 The polls were showing it that turned on Israel and the polls are showing that Republicans

01:06:47.860 are starting to turn.

01:06:49.200 It was like some 6% had turned and it had gone up to like 9%, but it was, it was starting

01:06:55.640 and you could see the trend.

01:06:57.060 And now it's more like 20 plus percent.

01:06:59.280 The Iran war has since happened, which also didn't help.

01:07:03.500 And that was the first time people started calling me an anti-Semite just for saying

01:07:07.840 And I remember saying Sid Rosenberg, a friend of mine in New York, broadcaster, was like, why would you say such a thing?

01:07:13.740 I said, Sid, I say it as an Israel supporter.

01:07:16.340 I want I don't want this to happen, but I'm telling you it's happening.

01:07:19.820 This is a political reality.

01:07:21.040 So Israel needs to wrap it up and like keep itself out of the headlines.

01:07:25.440 Well, it went a different way.

01:07:27.580 And look what's happened as a result. 0.90

01:07:30.420 Good luck finding any Democrat, really, who's pro-Israel now, pro-APAC, never mind, independence Jew. 0.88

01:07:37.840 And that same sentiment is only growing in the wake of Iran amongst the GOP. 0.82

01:07:43.520 So where does this go a year from now or even less than that, a few months from now in the 0.77

01:07:49.760 midterms? 0.98

01:07:51.180 Yeah, I mean, one of the interesting things about that race, the golden race, was that

01:07:56.040 AIPAC stayed out of it. 0.84

01:07:56.880 They didn't get involved.

01:07:58.500 They kind of knew and they know that their involvement in these primaries, whether Democrat

01:08:05.460 or Republican has now gotten to the point where it's counterproductive. And again, we talked about

01:08:11.620 this before, Dan Goldman and Brad Lander agree on pretty much everything. But Lander managed,

01:08:17.800 to your point, to get to the left, call himself a progressive Zionist and attack Dan Goldman

01:08:23.460 on that issue. And look, we're seeing that not just in these house races. We're seeing that

01:08:29.320 in, you know, the Michigan race.

01:08:31.220 El-Sayed, for example,

01:08:32.700 is attacking Haley Stevens

01:08:34.420 as being, you know,

01:08:35.760 getting support from AIPAC.

01:08:36.800 I mean, they're using it

01:08:37.500 and have been using it for years.

01:08:39.120 He's running for the Democratic primary

01:08:40.560 for the U.S. Senate seat in Michigan.

01:08:42.440 Correct.

01:08:42.660 And he's doing well

01:08:43.680 against two more establishment Dems.

01:08:45.220 Chris Van Hollen just endorsed him

01:08:46.600 about an hour ago.

01:08:47.680 So, along with Bernie Sanders.

01:08:50.380 And he's campaigned with-

01:08:51.520 Graham Plattner said all that same stuff too

01:08:53.100 in Maine, Tom.

01:08:54.300 Yeah, I mean, Graham Plattner said it

01:08:55.720 about Susan Collins.

01:08:56.380 Exactly.

01:08:56.840 So it is now a standard part

01:08:58.460 of the Democratic playbook, and it's been effective. And so to your point, I think we've

01:09:03.360 also seen, we saw it in the Massey race on the Republican side. There was a lot of talk about

01:09:07.340 AIPAC and all that money. And so I don't know exactly where this ends up, but it certainly has,

01:09:17.660 it's a development that I think has people concerned because there's, you know, using AIPAC

01:09:24.800 is just sort of like a blanket. I mean, what people really, I think what Democrats really

01:09:30.340 mean when they talk about AIPAC is they're saying Jews, basically. It's not, they're not making a

01:09:34.740 distinction between, listen, I disagree with Bibi Netanyahu. I don't like him. I want to see him gone

01:09:38.360 or, you know, the policy necessarily. It's used in a much more broad term that I think

01:09:45.180 has a lot of people concerned. I think if you're talking about the Ilhan Omars of the world,

01:09:49.300 you're totally right. But I think the anti-Israeli government sentiment is widespread

01:09:55.940 and heartfelt and not about Jews. When I think of AIPAC now, I think about a group that's more

01:10:01.460 concerned with Israeli interests than American, that's trying to manipulate American politicians

01:10:05.840 to vote in a way that's good for Israel, irrespective of whether it's good for the US.

01:10:09.960 That's what I think. And I don't want them having any influence over our politicians. And I have 0.93

01:10:14.580 been an equal opportunity critic. I've spent years railing on care. I'm not I'm not a big fan of them

01:10:19.820 either. I I want our politicians to be voting on our concerns, what's in the best interest for us

01:10:25.920 Americans. And I'm sick of these politicians doing the bidding of other countries. Go ahead, Andrew.

01:10:31.200 Well, in answer to your original question, where will we be a year from now? A lot will depend on

01:10:35.760 what happens in november i mean if platner loses if uh abdul lc uh lse loses uh you may

01:10:44.680 and they lose the set uh they lose a chance to take over the senate uh because of that there

01:10:50.200 may be a rethinking on the democratic side i mean i i would not count the moderates totally out

01:10:55.400 right now i do think there's some merit to the argument that hey these are a couple very blue

01:11:01.560 districts and uh what happens laughing at you well we have this running joke on our show we're called

01:11:07.640 we we want to do a branded segment called carl's naive moments and i'm just laughing because i think

01:11:11.880 this is andy's naive moment here wait wait wait you don't think you don't think that if plattner

01:11:17.400 loses the crossfire he didn't even say anything go ahead megan i love you too much to engage in

01:11:23.800 this conversation. Wait, let's go back to Andy's point. Andy's point is these races are not

01:11:33.840 settled yet. Correct. Thank you. Carl and Andy are naive together on this. Well, I'll say it is 1.00

01:11:40.340 widely considered the weakest nominee in that field. He may get the nomination. It'll be a

01:11:45.220 test. He may win anyway. Plattner, the Democrats- It is Michigan. That's right. And the Democrats

01:11:50.000 The Democrats are stuck with with Plattner. And he's he said he said so many things that are out there, you know, and he's got this machine behind him. Bernie Sanders behind him. He's he's a socialist. He talks about not just the Iran war, but the Iraq war. So there's not.

01:12:04.460 and he wants to pack the Supreme Court. That's right. That's right. He wants to do that. But

01:12:08.240 if it comes down, if the Democrats do the impossible and carry, you know, Texas or

01:12:13.840 Alaska and they lose because they don't get control of the Senate because they nominated

01:12:18.460 one of these lefties in Maine or Michigan, that's what Annie's talking about. We don't know how this

01:12:21.860 is going to work out. And so there may be, you know, there may be a middle ground here.

01:12:27.200 Kamala Harris ran, in my mind, not a great campaign when she was the presidential nominee. 1.00

01:12:32.500 She didn't hold a single press conference.

01:12:34.420 But one thing she did in Chicago when she talked about this issue was she spoke, I thought, smartly and empathetically about both Palestinians and Israelis.

01:12:44.720 And depending on what happens in November, the Democrats, what Andy suggested, and I think this is a possibility, they may move back towards that.

01:12:52.020 It doesn't have to be all in on Israel.

01:12:54.360 It doesn't have to be this bashing of Zionism.

01:12:57.920 they could have a more nuanced position but whether they do will depend i think on whether

01:13:02.860 they control the senate or not that's an interesting point i i don't really agree

01:13:08.440 because the numbers of democrats like democrats approval of israel and of u.s involvement like

01:13:14.200 with the partnership with israel are so they're it's like 80 90 percent against it's not marginal

01:13:20.580 it's that their voters do not support israel especially the young the young ones are going

01:13:25.940 to respond it's a straight demographic the young ones feel it ardently on the republican side too

01:13:30.880 there the a majority of young republicans are opposed to the alliance we have with israel

01:13:36.400 don't want any more aid going to israel and are sick of israel getting us involved in what

01:13:39.880 they see as its problems but isn't that isn't that isn't that a lot of that because of the war

01:13:44.960 right now and we're yes yeah that's what on the republican side yes but the democrats have seen

01:13:51.100 gaza as a genocide almost from 10-8 exactly they they turned immediately i'm with megan

01:13:57.380 so it's a 2-2 tie we gotta get somebody to break the tie yeah but look i think that um israel is 0.87

01:14:05.160 no longer avoidable like it's going it is going to be a huge issue in 2026 and beyond and i do

01:14:11.320 think that the presidential contest is going to be shaken up by that issue in a way we have never

01:14:16.300 seen before in america and i think you're going to see all democrat politicians try to make sure

01:14:21.380 no one can get to their left on israel now unfortunately here's my view here's my view

01:14:25.940 i don't i don't hate israel i don't hate netanyahu i just i want him to worry about his stuff and let

01:14:31.400 us worry about our concerns however unfortunately what's happening is there is such an animus toward

01:14:39.480 israel right now or at least its government that we're going full hardcore radical islamist

01:14:46.100 in our in our electoral politics which is that's not the solution my friends that's 0.71

01:14:52.500 we should not be going from like apex everywhere to now we've got the muslim call to prayer three 0.99

01:14:57.680 times a day whatever times a day it is five and have to deal with women's five thank you like the 0.99

01:15:04.180 chevalier who not only you mentioned that the hispanic guy who was defeated uh the chairman

01:15:10.120 of the hispanic democratic caucus was voting for for a country other than the united states in the

01:15:14.220 World Cup. So she she said she's rooting for Senegal. Oh, OK. You're the one. Yeah, that's

01:15:19.680 what you said. I mentioned on our show yesterday. You got to see this. This is the woman who just

01:15:24.260 won the Chevalier. Rich Lowry did a bit on National Review on their Web site, their YouTube channel

01:15:29.980 outlining this exchange that she had with a reporter on what to do with an accused

01:15:35.100 murderer. A hypothetical. Watch this. She recently sat down for a session with New York

01:15:40.780 journalist who asked her about a murder case. Here's some of it. What should happen to somebody

01:15:46.820 who's killed somebody else? I mean, I went to a sentencing last week. A man killed another man,

01:15:50.480 didn't know the person just sitting on a stoop, got an 18-year prison sentence. Should that person

01:15:55.360 not go to prison? And what should happen instead? So, you know, she replies, for prison abolitionists,

01:16:01.180 I think a lot of folks misunderstand what the vision of the world actually is. There's one

01:16:04.920 that actually centers this question of harm at the heart of what we're asking is, what? Why is it

01:16:09.340 there is so much harm in our society another journalist follows up but what would you do to

01:16:13.180 the murderer though but and so i'm trying to answer the question which is that what we do is that we

01:16:17.500 then put people behind bars in incredibly traumatizing conditions doesn't answer another

01:16:22.140 follow-up but did we answer what happens to the murderer do you not incarcerate the murderer you

01:16:26.860 know again i'm talking about this question between the distance between the world we want to see in

01:16:30.700 the world that we're at again doesn't answer yet another follow-up but can you get a little less

01:16:35.340 abstract, like she was watching a jury vote on the guy's guilty. Should he be sentenced or not?

01:16:40.040 Well, this is what I'm saying, is that when that happens, and as someone who has sat in so many

01:16:45.560 courtrooms to me, all that's tragic. The fact that the murder happened is tragic. The fact that there

01:16:50.900 was a circumstance in which that could even come to pass is tragic. And all that is a reflection

01:16:55.020 of systems that allow that circumstance to be possible. And so, you know, I've always focused

01:17:00.300 my attention on how do we create systems where that's not even the possibility.

01:17:05.340 Oh, well, Megan, I mean, that brings it home.

01:17:08.620 We're going to create systems.

01:17:10.000 Well, Cain slew Abel.

01:17:11.260 So this is you have to go way back to find to get to a point in society where people

01:17:16.560 weren't killing one another.

01:17:18.260 And but I hear that.

01:17:19.920 And it dawns on me why it's taken her 15 years to get her to her doctorate degree.

01:17:25.740 She she's not just very ponderous.

01:17:31.500 That's the most charitable interpretation ever.

01:17:34.060 that exchange can you believe that tom why why is there so much harm in our society that's the 0.97

01:17:41.560 question she wants answered in the wake of a man being accused of murder it's incredibly jails have

01:17:47.780 incredibly traumatizing conditions and that's the view of a prison abolitionist that's that's what 0.84

01:17:55.480 she calls herself this woman is going to be our next congresswoman she's going to win the general 1.00

01:17:59.920 very clearly. That's so radical. There's got to be a place in between, I take a bunch of AIPAC 1.00

01:18:09.340 money and I want to do everything that Netanyahu wants me to do, and Muslim call to prayer five 0.79

01:18:15.000 times a day, prison abolitionist, I'm much more worried about the harm that the murderer suffered

01:18:20.320 growing up than the harm he committed to his victim. Yeah, I mean, that's, look, I think

01:18:26.560 If we focus too much on just like the Israel thing and the AIPAC thing, we sort of lose sight of the broader picture, which is this woman and the other two folks, or at least one of the other folks, these are Marxists, these are communists.

01:18:41.840 They want to tear down Western civilization, sort of writ large, all of the institutions, right? 0.52

01:18:46.880 They want to abolish ISIS.

01:18:47.920 They want to abolish prisons.

01:18:49.520 They want to do away with all of these things.

01:18:51.300 and and that's what makes them sort of you know there's the progressive movement and there's the

01:18:56.620 democratic socialists and then there's and then there you know we were saying uh i said earlier

01:19:02.080 like the communists don't have their nose under the tent of the democratic party they're in the

01:19:07.140 tent right they're already inside the tent now and uh all of these folks hakeem jeffries and

01:19:14.360 everybody who who are unwilling to sort of push back on that are just saying look we're a big

01:19:18.980 tent party we got to you know it's just a different viewpoint so it's one it's one little

01:19:23.040 district um that is the way you find yourself with a real problem where you have a caucus inside the

01:19:29.500 democratic party that is that is anti-american it's it's anti-western civilization um and they

01:19:35.980 are working actively to try and that's when the democratic brand is going to start suffering

01:19:41.240 right and i think that's what centrist democrats are pulling their hair out about right now

01:19:45.780 and it's only going to get worse the more these people go on tv and say these crazy things

01:19:51.000 crazy crazy things you saw um carl that they had this this woman chevalier she won with young and

01:19:59.360 college educated and white and that her opponent won with minorities blacks and hispanics in the

01:20:05.020 district this makes perfect sense to me because that particular district starts around the 100

01:20:09.880 block of the upper west side i lived about 14 blocks away from that and it's a very nice

01:20:14.760 neighborhood. It's, you know, totally gentrified. It's beautiful. And it's very good neighborhood

01:20:20.020 up for another maybe 20 blocks. And then it starts to get a little bit more crime ridden

01:20:25.460 and has more minorities and the housing is a little cheaper. And all those people need cops 1.00

01:20:30.520 and they like cops, notwithstanding what we hear from the BLMers. And it was the white people who 0.94

01:20:36.660 live 14 blocks north of where I did, who voted this nutcase in with her prison abolitionist stuff 1.00

01:20:41.920 and she doesn't want to just defund the cops. 1.00

01:20:44.400 She wants to get rid of cops. 0.99

01:20:46.980 And frankly, I think she wants to get rid of America. 0.65

01:20:49.580 Well, that's what Andy wrote a piece for us this week

01:20:52.200 about Antonio Gramsci,

01:20:54.640 the long dead Italian communist

01:20:57.440 who Mom Donnie quoted reverentially.

01:21:00.800 And that was what he wanted to do.

01:21:02.640 Because the economic revolution had not arrived on time,

01:21:06.980 he's writing in the 1920s,

01:21:08.560 he thought, well, we just have to tear down the institutions

01:21:10.720 that keep people happy, the church, the family, the state.

01:21:15.920 And this is not me.

01:21:18.500 This is the guy he quoted, Mamdami, and these are his candidates. 0.68

01:21:21.900 But beyond sort of the nuttery, when you get to a point where she won't answer a question

01:21:28.300 about somebody, this guy was convicted of murdering someone he didn't know he was given

01:21:32.420 18 years.

01:21:33.340 She was asked if that's appropriate and wouldn't answer.

01:21:36.160 It comes to a point where you're talking about people who seem incapable of abstract reasoning.

01:21:40.240 because the question the interlocutor was too polite to ask what if someone shot you in the

01:21:45.880 head would you think that they should be punished or should they be allowed to just go around and 0.50

01:21:50.820 shoot anybody whose political views they don't like i mean you know that sounds absurd but that's 0.98

01:21:56.320 that's the kind of absurdity that that comes to mind when you talk about a person who doesn't 0.92

01:22:01.460 who doesn't won't answer a question about incarceration of a murder the other point

01:22:04.820 Megan we talked about it and just quickly her response was basically carl hurt people hurt

01:22:10.480 people i know i know and and but but the other thing is i was thinking and we talked about this

01:22:15.540 briefly we didn't really get to touch on i'm curious what you think if you don't believe in

01:22:19.660 in police department you don't believe in the government you don't believe in the u.s military

01:22:23.780 you don't believe in borders you don't believe in the right of the united states to project

01:22:27.100 military broad power abroad to defend its own interests and its own people and its own values

01:22:31.620 and you think we had to open borders.

01:22:34.140 What you're really saying, it seems to me,

01:22:35.540 is you don't respect the sovereignty of the United States.

01:22:37.680 You don't really believe in the country, the nation.

01:22:42.500 And they don't say that like that,

01:22:44.580 but that seems the obvious implication.

01:22:46.320 They don't really even believe in the idea.

01:22:47.760 Totally.

01:22:48.140 Yeah.

01:22:48.700 Can I make one more quick point?

01:22:50.480 I completely agree with that.

01:22:50.980 About her, which was, you know,

01:22:52.580 she was on the MSNOW the other night

01:22:55.220 talking about how she, you know,

01:22:57.520 the affordability thing was really personal to her

01:23:00.520 because she was wondering how she could make ends meet

01:23:03.900 to live in the city that she loves so much.

01:23:06.500 And then you realize that she went to college in 2012

01:23:09.900 and she's been basically a professional student

01:23:12.800 for ever since, for 14 years.

01:23:14.780 She never held a job.

01:23:15.580 She went to Columbia.

01:23:16.700 Yeah.

01:23:17.160 And now she converted to Islam 1.00

01:23:18.820 because that's what happens. 0.99

01:23:19.960 Great job, Columbia.

01:23:21.060 And guess what?

01:23:22.060 It's the firefighters and the police

01:23:24.480 and the plumbers that are going to end up 0.99

01:23:27.140 paying her student loans 0.98

01:23:28.420 when she wants forgiveness for the, I'm sure, hundreds of thousands of dollars that she's

01:23:32.740 racked up. And, you know, she's sorry that she can't afford her $5 matches on the Upper West

01:23:38.260 Side. I mean, it's just, it's beyond parity. Well, you know, just so true. Wait, Andrew,

01:23:43.000 I got one for you. You probably saw this, but the former Democratic National Committee head,

01:23:48.740 Jamie Harrison, wrote in a subtweet, I say this with no ill will or animosity. If you hate the

01:23:55.280 Democratic Party, then please don't run for our nomination. Don't use our resources. Don't rely

01:23:59.420 on our volunteers. Don't use our infrastructure. Don't ask Democrats to invest their time, money

01:24:04.840 and energy in your campaign. Focus on building the party you actually support. This is a very

01:24:11.400 interesting plea. I get it. I see why he's upset, but that's not the way it works. These DSA nut

01:24:18.680 cases know very well they'll do much better taking over an existing party than starting from scratch 0.50

01:24:25.080 on a new one, and they're getting better and better at actually doing it. I mean, it's not

01:24:31.580 a huge number. They've got, what, six now, either in or on their way to Congress. But they're not

01:24:36.700 going to listen to Jamie Harrison. No. I mean, Carl mentioned Gramsci, and I wrote a piece

01:24:43.660 about this. But part of the socialist playbook, if you will, is to form these alliances with

01:24:52.460 with groups that you don't necessarily think they would ally with and and uh because the idea is to

01:24:58.540 sort of move the revolution forward and you do that by striking these alliances so when you hear

01:25:04.180 of like you know how you know why are they allied with muslims why are they allied with gays why

01:25:08.240 it's all because it serves this great greater purpose that carl pointed out which is basically 0.79

01:25:14.080 you're trying to tear down the basic institutions of western society including the family organized

01:25:19.680 religion um the church um so he completely is misunderstanding the strategy behind what the

01:25:28.720 socialists are doing here it's textbook and um if i were just to bring into politics for a minute

01:25:35.760 if i were aoc right now i would be worried because she's next she is she will be targeted by these 0.99

01:25:42.400 people because she will not be far enough left for them in two years and it's impossible to satisfy

01:25:49.520 them tom tom scoffed at that on our show earlier megan and he made this point tom laughed and i

01:25:56.240 had to remind him i said well they killed trotsky you have to be pretty far left to not yeah you

01:26:01.300 have to remember that the goal here is not to to govern it's to tear down and so it's you know

01:26:11.180 tearing down aoc and causing more chaos is sort of the that's the point of the project

01:26:17.300 chaos is the goal i listen i think i think aoc is i have a message i yeah go ahead tom i was just

01:26:26.240 gonna say i i think aoc is actually in a perfect position because she's she's the compromise

01:26:32.060 candidate she's acceptable to the bernie sanders and the you know the the establishment to a certain

01:26:36.940 degree right she's got one foot in that world but she's also going to be acceptable to these 0.98

01:26:41.280 these radicals and and they know if she's elected that that they will have sway and power with her

01:26:48.220 and i i understand they want to tear things down but i also think there's um there there's a desire

01:26:54.120 to in order to do that and do it effectively you have to have you have to have control and aoc is

01:26:59.360 a means to that control they're already going after bernie sanders as being too real so yeah

01:27:04.860 he's he's the moderate one now he and she are moderates right here here's my message here's my

01:27:09.940 here's my word of caution to uh republicans and moderate democrats who are have had it with

01:27:17.380 israel's influence over american politics legit fine you got to find some normie candidate who 0.88

01:27:24.000 shares those views the answer is not to go to these loons and put them in office like you can't

01:27:30.400 it would be the same thing as remember we saw those videos right after 10-7 when some anti-israel 0.90

01:27:37.920 sentiment exploded and we saw like gays for Hamas you know gays for Palestinians whatever

01:27:45.680 and and like people were over there like with these Arabs who were covered you're not Arabs 0.84

01:27:50.740 but like Muslims who were covered uh head to toe in the hijab and they're dancing and then they

01:27:54.520 tried to say like yeah gays gays and they were like what no and the gays were like what do you

01:27:59.700 mean we're not we're not aligned it was like no no no you know like stone the gays basically is 0.95

01:28:04.420 their position and they were like oh maybe our new union isn't as wonderful as we thought you 0.59

01:28:08.980 can't be those people you have to remember your core of like you can be upset with the israeli

01:28:14.100 influence you can do something we can generate our own candidates on team sanity who see it the

01:28:18.800 way we do but the answer is not to go support these lunatics because then you are getting five

01:28:22.700 time a day prayer you're getting radical no more u.s senate no more funding for the pentagon

01:28:28.840 no more police at all forget funding police no more police no more prisons it's like a dystopian

01:28:35.480 wish list out of the very dark blm days when they went really nuts on that sort of small segment

01:28:41.480 and now these people have made it their plat that's the platform of the democratic socialists

01:28:46.580 of america they just revised and put it out a couple weeks ago john fund had a great article

01:28:51.320 on it in nr okay stand by quick break back to you guys so much more fun coming up our way

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01:30:51.660 and this one um okay we have got to discuss this people magazine piece of vomit on pages

01:30:59.340 um there are two not one but two articles about the obamas now there's there's puff pieces in

01:31:06.780 media i every once in a while every paul is going to get a good puff piece done by a magazine like

01:31:11.840 people. We know that. That's fine. You have something to promote and they say nice things

01:31:16.180 about. This is so over the top. Someone should be fired. And that someone is named Janine Rubenstein,

01:31:22.560 who is editor at large for People Magazine. She wrote both of them. She's a disgrace to the

01:31:27.240 profession. I like I actually just looked up like, what does Janine Rubenstein do? I've never heard 1.00

01:31:32.320 of this woman who writes for people. And this is what they say. She's written. Hold on. My team's 0.76

01:31:38.080 just sending me. She's prior to People. She's written for Essence, the Cape Times newspaper

01:31:43.280 and Los Angeles magazine. But what I read about her at People is that

01:31:49.400 she's the host of the People Everyday podcast, a daily dose of breaking news, pop culture

01:31:56.000 and heartwarming human interest stories. Formerly senior editor of Music Content,

01:32:01.880 she's also covered crime, human interest and television news throughout her many years with

01:32:05.300 the brand what are you what word are you missing there politics right she doesn't cover hard news

01:32:11.020 at all and you can tell all right two articles one barack and michelle obama in their most

01:32:18.820 personal interview yet quote we are each other's counterbalance this is her writing

01:32:25.520 okay i'm gonna i'm gonna get through it

01:32:30.040 it's in the way his hand rests gently on her knee the way she crinkles her nose at the joke

01:32:37.980 she's probably heard before the way they can speak at the same time but somehow never seem

01:32:42.380 to talk over each other it's in the details after nearly 34 years of marriage and perhaps

01:32:47.780 because of the minutiae and magnitude of what time encompassed the love between former president

01:32:55.400 Barack Obama, 64, and former First Lady Michelle Obama, 62. It's palpable. I don't know if it's

01:33:01.840 been an equal partnership, he says, but it's worked out for me pretty well. I've gotten more

01:33:06.480 out of this than she has. For her, it's probably more of a mixed bag. Then the second piece,

01:33:13.680 People Magazine, same writer. Every photo from Barack and Michelle Obama's people cover shoot

01:33:18.700 at their massive new Chicago center exclusive. Buckle up. When the pair arrived, you could feel

01:33:27.160 the excitement and joy they both had ahead of showcasing the center to and for the Southside

01:33:32.840 Chicago community they love so much. You could also feel the love emanating between them as if

01:33:39.360 there's such a thing as 34 year old married newlyweds wait not done the gentle touches

01:33:52.040 easy laughter and smiles made the shoot fly by with ease as they moved from one set up to the

01:33:58.440 next their love like the pieces on the walls around them presents like a work of fine art

01:34:05.440 painstakingly crafted over time using a hodgepodge of materials and no until no more tinkering can

01:34:14.140 make it any better a joy to witness um here's the truth like i'm like she's making us all hot

01:34:23.400 and bothered here's the truth about their relationship let's run our little montage

01:34:28.100 one word to describe your next chapter one word fun uh me i'm so glad i didn't have a boy

01:34:38.520 he would have been a barack obama the baby barack it would have been amazing no i would have felt

01:34:47.580 for him we're empty nesters it's like well what are we going to talk about so we're together all

01:34:52.440 day and we we do this thing where it's like i'll see him and it's like what you've been doing it's

01:34:57.740 like, oh, don't tell me until dinner because we're, we got to have something to talk about

01:35:03.240 at dinner. The way you're chewing makes me want to smack you upside the head. 0.99

01:35:07.800 Even in my marriage now, you know, you go through the period of, I want him to be different. I want 0.97

01:35:12.680 him to do this differently. I've grown to know I don't have control over him, just like he doesn't

01:35:17.760 have control over me. So let me do my work and let him do our work. And together we come together

01:35:26.080 as whole people we could be here all day i've got 20 more that's awesome so i feel we've been

01:35:35.900 misled by people magazine guys what do you make of you've made tom's day megan

01:35:40.340 all right tom's alley with the media oh yeah well listen i i've i've written a couple profiles over

01:35:49.100 the years and i can tell you if i turned anything that sounded like that to carl he would he would

01:35:53.560 throw it straight in the trash. I mean, so ridiculous. But look, on one hand, it's not 0.99

01:35:58.560 surprising. The Obamas have always gotten this unbelievably adoring press coverage,

01:36:05.500 even from like the quote unquote hard news. I mean, you remember, who was it? It was somebody

01:36:10.720 from the Chicago Tribune who asked him this ridiculous question after he got reelected 0.61

01:36:15.100 about what a great person he was and all these things. Don't leave Chris Matthews out.

01:36:20.180 Remember Steve Croft on 60?

01:36:21.880 Oh, yeah, God.

01:36:22.680 I mean, you could go on and on. 0.96

01:36:24.160 And then you go to sort of the fluffier magazines like Vogue and People, and it's just ridiculous and it's over the top.

01:36:35.460 I mean, obviously, to the point that you just – the montage you just played, there's a bunch of evidence suggesting that it's not all just butterflies and rainbows and unicorns.

01:36:47.980 She hates him.

01:36:48.700 Yeah, I know, right?

01:36:50.180 I gotta say this. I'm starting to like her more and more because it's like a housewife show. It's like she's the housewives of Chicago or something. I mean, that kind of like, you know, in your face, you know, wagging the finger. I mean, come on. It's reality TV. 1.00

01:37:07.420 Andy. Andy's doing the finger whip. I've never seen that before. Carl, it's as if that were not

01:37:15.100 insulting enough that what I just read to you, they have these pictures of the two of them and

01:37:20.440 the captions are just as inane as the writing in the piece. So they're a bunch of them sort of,

01:37:26.880 you know, fawning on each other, embracing at the Obama center, the formal pose,

01:37:32.480 smiling for the camera top of the tower leaning on the rail what is why is this in a caption in

01:37:42.220 a magazine in the atrium the cover shot this this is like a photographer's notes to himself

01:37:48.960 about what each of these is a candidate for you know like a short form it's the one where they're

01:37:53.980 on the rail that somehow made it into people magazine is the official caption leaning on the

01:37:59.260 rail, as though we're supposed to appreciate this as like a work of art. They leaned, Carl, they

01:38:04.700 leaned, they leaned right after they were in the atrium as they passed through the open change

01:38:11.340 lobby, which is the thing. We, you know, I was thinking of that. So these two don't seem to have

01:38:16.940 any illusions. I don't know how they con, I don't know how they got this writer to write the way

01:38:21.960 she did. But the other day, and she, he was asked Obama in a friendly interview, they're all friendly,

01:38:27.380 as Tom pointed out, you know, what do you do, you know, for, for, to relax, to relax and recharge

01:38:32.520 and Obama, you know, went, try to think of something profound. And Michelle was down and

01:38:37.220 she was, he golfs. That's what he does. And so I think they know who they are. And as you're

01:38:43.500 reading that, I had this picture in my mind, Megan, of those two meeting at dinner with,

01:38:47.760 they'd been apart all day long and, and she's reading it and they're both laughing. And she

01:38:52.260 said, it makes her so amused. She says he can have a cigarette after dinner. It's okay. Because

01:38:57.160 he you know how did he get this how did he charm this woman to write this stuff and he says really

01:39:02.880 can i have a cigarette and he's smoking and they're laughing about this piece the way we are

01:39:06.500 now so maybe i i don't think they have any illusions of what i'm trying to say

01:39:11.140 i i know this is like a fun parlor game but honestly tom can you imagine this ever being

01:39:20.420 done for donald and melania trump no i mean and it wasn't it wasn't even done for george w bush

01:39:28.540 and laura you know i mean it's and they clearly were very much in love and they clearly were a

01:39:33.340 very yeah very much in love and and had been married for a long long time but you know i mean

01:39:39.680 even joe and jill got despite the fact she's like walking off stage without him you know like all

01:39:45.980 this stuff yeah Megan I covered the White House when Bush was president W and one time he was

01:39:52.600 like late he would go running and we got this early pool call it was down in Crawford and

01:39:56.840 and and Bush um and but we said he was late he wasn't really late and he said he leaned over

01:40:02.560 I think it was Ron Forney of AP and he says you know you're late I was having some quality time

01:40:07.840 with the first lady and it was good so genuine we all kind of blanched you can see he kind of

01:40:14.020 regretted saying it and we went our merry way but hey we'd much rather that they have some

01:40:20.900 some quality time with the first lady than with the 16 year old intern like jfk reportedly did

01:40:26.460 i think she was 19 gloss right over that stuff to protect camelot uh with the trumps not so much

01:40:34.340 we will not be engaging in any of these these fictions which they they clearly are these two

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 25, 2026

SCOTUS Victories for President Trump’s Immigration Agenda, and People Magazine’s RIDICULOUS Profile on the Obamas, with Bevan, Cannon, and Walworth ｜ Ep. 1347

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