Sean Penn's Violent Past Exposed, Disturbing Diddy Trial Details, And Barry Diller's PR Tour - The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
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The Diddy trial has seen explosive testimony and crazy developments this week. Plus, we have a Menendez Brothers update, the latest on the Blake Taylor-Justin Baldoni scandal, plus celebrity overshares for days!
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So, we begin today's edition of The Nerve with the Diddy trial, which is unfolding here in New York City.
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And some of this stuff, I have to warn you, it's extremely graphic.
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So, if you're sensitive to gory details or you have little ones around, you might want to skip ahead.
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Now, there's a new extended version of the video that shows Sean Combs beating Cassie violently in a Los Angeles hotel.
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This was shown in court this week, and it was released to the media.
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She's walking like she's really, really trying.
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He catches her, and he grabs her, and he's dragging her.
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Now, we see what looks like a security guard talking to Sean Combs, who's wrapped in just a towel.
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So, that, which to me is extremely, extremely telling, okay?
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Like, that's another pair of eyes on this, okay?
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New York still does not allow television cameras in federal court, and I do not understand why.
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You know, these trials, they're all of our business.
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I believe that, just my opinion, but from what I've read and what I've seen thus far,
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I believe Sean Combs is a very dangerous man, an extremely dangerous man, and what's going on in here, we all have a right to see and hear it, okay?
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Now, Cassie testified that she was often drugged up for these freak-offs, that she says she was often forced to participate in more than once when having her period.
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But what is really interesting here is the distancing language that she is still using.
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She says, I don't think anybody wants to do that.
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Okay, that's somebody who has really begun trying to separate and compartmentalize this part of her life, you know?
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And she clearly doesn't really want to go back there.
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And she's like eight and a half months pregnant on the stand, you know?
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She's going on to say that male sex workers that were hired for these freak-offs would urinate on her.
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Okay, that's what Sean Combs thinks about women, by the way.
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And if you think that's too harsh, sometimes Combs would urinate in Cassie's mouth.
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Okay, this is the testimony Cassie gave to federal prosecutor Emily Johnson, who asked Cassie, did you ever consent to this?
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There is not a whole lot of control you have with two men standing over you peeing.
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there was one instance in which Combs urinated in her mouth so profusely that Cassie testified, quote,
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Now, the defense is going to put up the argument and has laid the groundwork.
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You know, you may not find what he's doing palatable, you know, but it's his sex life.
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And if everybody's a willing participant, you know, that's not criminal behavior.
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This testimony that she is giving in open court, eight and a half months pregnant, she and her husband, Alex Fine, have two other children.
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I can only imagine the insane amount of stress she's under and her fear that she's going to be, like, provoked into, like, early labor, you know.
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Name me a woman who would sit in open court and testify to such degrading, humiliating acts visited upon her,
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especially against this guy who seems extremely dangerous and be making it up.
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Like, what is she possibly, she's already gotten her payday.
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He gave her $20 million to drop the lawsuit she filed in November 2023.
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Remember the same month that Naomi Campbell threw Sean Combs a lavish 50th birthday party in London, okay?
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We also learned that Sean Combs filled an inflatable pool with baby oil, and this was in a hotel room.
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I live in fear that I have stayed in a hotel room that Sean Combs once threw a freak off in, okay?
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It's closed now, but he used to use the Gramercy Park Hotel at least once for this stuff, okay?
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So, we also learned that Cassie, as she testified to us, suffered great physical, deleterious side effects, diseases.
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Her oral health was terrible because Sean Combs would have her perform with people who had been lubed up,
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and so all this stuff is, like, in her mouth, and she had UTIs multiple times.
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Almost every woman I know has had a UTI at some point, but she had them so often, and they are brutal.
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She had gastrointestinal issues from all this copious sex with all these strangers who were, like, it's enough.
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I think that Sean Combs is in a lot of trouble, okay?
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His defense team asked the judge in this case to disallow Cassie from walking up to the stand because she is so visibly pregnant,
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and their argument, I guess, is that that could be prejudicial to the jury, that her being a pregnant woman might evoke some sympathy.
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And, by the way, the judge denied this, but this goes to the hypocrisy of it.
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This is as Sean Combs sits there in court with his Bible, okay, his Bible.
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Like, try to be a little subtle, just a little bit, okay?
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And he's making heart symbols with his hands, okay?
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So, and he sits there in, like, this gray sweater.
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You know, he's just looking like your friendly neighborhood accountant, you know, this thug.
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Meanwhile, he's got his children in this courthouse.
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You know, I'm looking at that, if I'm a juror, which I would never be, I just couldn't do it with this guy.
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But if I'm a juror, I'm not looking at that as, like, oh, wow, you know, Sean Combs, like, his family really, these kids look traumatized, by the way, okay?
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These kids really believe in him so much that they showed up in court to support him.
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I'm thinking, what kind of sick fuck has his kids show up in court and listen to this stuff and be aware of what their father was getting up to when he was probably never home, okay?
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Now, the daughter's left during some of the more graphic testimony in the Cassie stuff.
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And, by the way, Diddy's mother is treating this trial like it's her own personal catwalk.
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Like, she's rocking up in this, like, extravagant, what I assume is a wig.
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You know, this is not the time or the place, okay?
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But I guess we're getting a glimpse into, you know, the Combs family dynamics, as it were.
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Now, a final note, and truly the icing on this shit cake.
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On Wednesday, the jurors were shown still photos from some of these freak-offs.
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And according to reports, several jurors physically recoiled.
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One female juror actually, like, turned her head to the side to look away.
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Just to underscore, this jury panel is composed of hardened New Yorkers, okay?
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And I guarantee every single one of them, as have I, has seen since COVID at least one homeless person openly masturbating.
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Okay, so if they're disgusted, it's not looking great for Sean Combs, okay?
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This time in the UK for a 2023 attack against a promoter in a nightclub.
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Chris Brown allegedly smashed a bottle of tequila over this guy's head, then began kicking and punching him.
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Now, do you remember Rihanna and the beating she took at his hands?
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And I hope that the jury is considering this stuff because the Cassie testimony is complicated, okay?
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And their lawyer said they're going to move very quickly to get these guys out.
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But I would just like to remind everybody, including the either brainwashed or the psychologically very unwell members of the Menendez clan and Kitty Menendez, the mother, they're all arguing for these two to be let out.
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You know, I would like to just remind us all this was a premeditated crime.
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You know, they purchased the firearms, the rifles, I believe, at least a week before.
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When the investigators showed up at the crime scene, their father's brain fell out of his skull.
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And they said the cops should have arrested them that very night.
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So I'm sure that these two, if they do get out, will be a great addition to society.
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And now for some lighter celebrity true crime, it's Taylor Swift versus Blake Lively.
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They loved to pose in these provocative, like, you know, are we lovers?
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There's maybe, you know, Blake owns Taylor, you know, Blake made Taylor godmother to, like,
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at least three of her four children, which I have said before, feels gratuitous.
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Her team was told to brace for a subpoena from Justin Baldoni's legal team.
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So leaking from Tay-Tay's camp this week was the grievous, grave accusation that Blake Lively
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That Blake Lively said, if you don't support me in me bringing this case and all these
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accusations that seem to be falling apart, like, you know, just like confetti out of a
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pinata, if you, Taylor Swift, don't back me, I'm going to leak private texts between you
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So Blake's basically saying, hey, Taylor, I know where a lot of your bodies are buried
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and I'm going to exhume them if you don't get on my train.
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I cannot wait for the next development in this.
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All three of these people, not nearly as smart as they think they are.
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Up next, we have a showbiz titan whose sexual disclosures are bonkers and they are so cynical
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So Barry Diller has been making the rounds, and he's about 83 years old.
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He is one of the most longtime power brokers in Hollywood and tech.
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He is one of the most wealthy, powerful, and I'm going to say it, controlling men in these
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Now, he's been in a power marriage to the fashion designer Diane von Furstenberg for decades
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And I find this title ironic and funny in ways he may not be particularly aware of,
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Hey, I'm 83 years old, and I finally feel, in this climate for real, I finally feel comfortable
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I mean, everybody on the planet, like, either has a non-binary kid or they're, like, getting
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transgender surgery or, you know, like, they're pansexual.
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Or they're in full-blown relationships with, like, the Eiffel Tower or the Berlin Wall.
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But now, finally, Barry Diller can do it, okay?
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Now, the twist to this story is he also claims straight face, no pun intended, to be madly
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in love with his wife, Diane, with whom he has lots and lots of hot sex, okay?
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It seems to me like one of the points you're trying to make in the book is that it doesn't
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have to be a mutually exclusive thing, that you can be in love with Diane and at the same
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Yes, I don't see anything mutually exclusive about that.
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Okay, note the moment where he takes a sip of water.
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That's a little bit of, like, a security blanket.
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I'm going to shut my mouth around something because I don't know what might come out of
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I cannot believe this reporter took this seriously.
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I know these are puff pieces for CBS Sunday Morning, which is all about, you know, celebrity
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Okay, one of the smartest, most brilliant titans of industry is sitting there and saying to this
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reporter, hey, there's nothing mutually exclusive with me saying I am a gay man and also saying
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I am madly in love with my wife with whom I have sex all the time.
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That is the very definition of mutually exclusive.
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Okay, I don't know what happens to these reporters when they sit in front of these people who are
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Now, I just would like to say, again, as a kid on Long Island whose parents let my third parent
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I mean, at 10 years old, I was reading all about the Velvet Mafia.
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Okay, I knew everybody who was in the Velvet Mafia and what they were up to.
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Now, for those of you who may not know, it was a group of closeted gay men who were very powerful.
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The other was David Geffen, the music mogul who dated Cher.
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And then the third was the fashion designer, Calvin Klein, who married Kelly Klein, like
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in the 80s or the 90s, I think when he was trying to go public and he needed a beard.
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And we're going to circle back to this at the end of the show with Carolyn Bissett talk.
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So, you know, the idea that the mainstream media is like treating this disclosure as breaking
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news is not only ridiculous to me, it's pathetic.
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And this is why they are dying, because this is exactly what Barry Diller wants them to
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This is, and he's acting like he's giving them a big gift with this.
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Barry Diller is 83 years old and he is looking down the barrel of his legacy.
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And what is the first line of his obit going to be?
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And do you know what he would like to have completely unmentioned and unforgotten, sorry,
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forgotten, okay, I won't forget it, but forgotten, would be his vile, violent treatment of subordinates
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And you would not want to be alone in four walls with him.
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I think just my opinion, because he is really formidable.
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And I'm going to get to a lawsuit that he inserted himself into and the threats he made
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So let's take a look at this book excerpt from the friendly book that has little Barry
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Diller, just a kid from Long Island who made it.
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Okay, this is a little bit of an acknowledgement that maybe he had some sharp elbows in some
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Quote, sometimes the staff would ask, is it commercial?
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I'm sure, by the way, it took every bit of like, just guts these people had to ever question
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Because as he goes on to say, quote, and I would brutalize them, brutalize, that's a
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I would brutalize them because rather than using their instincts, he's calling them dumb, the
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They were trying to predict the public's appetite, which I said then and say now over and over
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We live in a world that is dictated by like an Orwellian algorithm that totally predicts
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We live with phones that overhear everything we say and push ads.
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Like, I swear to God, sometimes I think my phone is reading my mind.
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Like, I think it's melded with me in the most sinister ways possible.
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Now, Barry Diller once allegedly, allegedly, threw a VHS tape, and that's how long these
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I mean, we are in the Paleolithic age of like VHS physical tapes that went into VCRs at an
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He missed, but that tape was thrown with so much force that Diller put a hole in the wall
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Now, to the lawsuit, and this is just one that we know of, I'm going to guess this is
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He also allegedly threatened to destroy an employee who blew the whistle about an alleged
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sexual assault by Diller's right-hand man at Tinder, okay?
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So this is according to a, I'm going to hold it up, a 2021 report in the Daily Mail, Diller,
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regarding this whistleblower, who was reporting a sexual assault, okay?
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Quote, threatened to go after this whistleblower for everything he has, his parents have, and
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anyone he knows has, end quote, if this guy didn't drop the matter entirely.
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Everything this guy's parents have, I mean, do you know, like, Barry Diller would be, I
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think, the C-suite version of, again, just my opinion, but in terms of ruthlessness, and
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like, if you don't do what I want, I'm going to, I will, I will either kill you, Diddy, allegedly,
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physically, or Barry Diller, I'll wipe you out financially and reputationally, and you'll
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You know, Barry Diller, Sean Combs, two sides, maybe of the same coin, but, you know, just
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this, the takeaway remains, the takeaway remains that Barry Diller is just your cuddly old gay
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man who's married to a woman who he just has lots of enthusiastic sex with all the time,
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By the way, this sort of legacy play reminds me a lot of Scott Rudin, okay, another Hollywood
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super producer who's back on a redemption tour.
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Guess who, like, rolled out the red carpet for him recently?
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I mean, he started selling off, like, high-end artwork and high-end real estate, okay?
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He was canceled for a pattern of seriously abusing underlings, okay?
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He once allegedly, allegedly put one of, I mean, we're talking, like, PAs, like, personal
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assistants, like, these are the people who, like, are starting in the, they're very young,
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they have very little experience, and those are the ones that monsters like these go after,
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And this isn't, like, from overwork, like, the poor kids, like, in the financial industry
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who are working, like, 150 hours a week and, like, drop dead at their desks.
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One of my other favorite Scott Rudin stories has one of his terrified assistants who, like,
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So they're sitting in the back of a car, you know, he's got a driver, Rudin, and they're
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hurtling down, like, a major New York highway, like, a major artery.
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And this assistant says to Scott, like, I have to tell you, like, today is my last day.
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And Scott Rudin, according to this story, this alleged version of events, turns to this
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terrified assistant and says, your last moment is now, and throws this kid out of the car
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Now, I do have to say, as far as dialogue goes, that is killer, okay?
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That's not Michelle Obama saying to Barack after Barack says, you know, vis-a-vis the
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recent death of her mother, well, you're up next.
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I mean, that is a great rejoinder, that I will give that to Scott Rudin.
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Now, I would like to share a little of my own Scott Rudin story.
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So when this stuff started breaking, and it was kind of, it was like after Harvey was
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sort of outed and all those bombshells were coming out and, like, people were now feeling
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like, oh, they could tell their stories and they wouldn't be exiled from, like, working
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in Hollywood or on Broadway or media, what have you.
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I was deputized by my editor to write a story about Scott Rudin, which is how I know, like,
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off the top of my head, the stuff I just told you.
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And so there was a guy who worked at the New York Post.
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He was, like, the theater critic, but he was just, like, a little too cozy with these
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Like, he would brag, like, he would write a book and he would brag and he would be
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like, yeah, you know, I finished my book up at, like, Andrew Lloyd Webber's estate
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And I'm like, how can you call yourself, like, a critic and, like, let me be taking these
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Like, anyway, so this story, like, we're putting it to bed.
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You know, it's about to go online and it's, like, late on a Friday night and I get a call
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from this guy, my colleague, my then colleague.
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Like, I thought he would surely be a little bit more skilled at this kind of thing, but
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investigative journalism was clearly not his forte.
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Okay, he calls me and he's at, like, a nearby bar and he goes, hey, you know who I just
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You told him, like, I'm doing, like, he already heard I was doing it, I'm sure, but, like,
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you're calling me with Scott Rudin next to you?
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Like, the newsbreakers and the troublemakers are, like, these assholes.
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So then he says to me, you know, why don't you just send that story over my way?
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This way Scott can read it and tell you if there are any errors in there, like, any mistakes.
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And I'm like, yeah, you know, what we do professionally, as you should know, is we go to these people
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What we don't do is gift wrap a story and give it to the subject of said story that,
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by the way, has a bunch of terrified people feeling, you know, emboldened enough to, like,
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tell their stories, but don't use my name, you know, keep the identifying details a secret
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Okay, now, speaking of other wealthy, powerful, famous Hollywood men who have all these deep
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He's going viral and he's making a lot of headlines for this podcast interview he just did with
00:30:54.480
And he's related, by the way, to the insufferable Justin Theroux of the shoe polish
00:31:01.300
And, like, when he used to be with Jennifer Aniston, I don't think they were ever legally
00:31:04.800
married, which I think was very shrewd on her part.
00:31:06.940
But, like, he would always be photographed, like, with Jen Aniston.
00:31:10.940
And, like, back when they were palling around with Howard Stern.
00:31:13.420
And, like, you know, they'd be in, like, Cabo in Mexico, like, sunning themselves.
00:31:25.060
He's too cool for, like, a bathing suit, like bathing trunks.
00:31:28.040
So he would always be sunning his hairless body.
00:31:30.680
You know, he's waxed head to toe with, like, black denim cutoff shorts that were skin tight
00:31:40.340
So anyway, the headlines that Sean Penn is making, again, like, I think the media is picking
00:31:49.300
They're like, Sean Penn dared to say he would work with Woody Allen again in a heartbeat.
00:31:58.980
What's really offensive here is the way he talks about Madonna, his first wife, who, you
00:32:07.880
We're digging in the crates for the real shit for assaulting her not once, allegedly, but
00:32:18.220
Now, let's, now, Madonna has never, ever talked shit about Sean Penn.
00:32:22.720
In fact, way, way, way later, like, in 2015, she would say, he never laid a hand on me.
00:32:35.580
Okay, take a look at how Sean talks to this Thoreau guy about Madonna.
00:32:40.600
And then they ask her, like, who's the love of your life?
00:32:46.320
Yeah, you know, I remember, yeah, I remember that.
00:32:52.220
Look, she's been a, she's been a good friend for a lot of years.
00:32:56.160
It didn't, it didn't take us long to realize that we'd mistaken a good first date for a
00:33:03.140
wedding partner, and it didn't take us long to recover after we got divorced.
00:33:09.640
Okay, so that's Sean on Madonna, that, that, that the whole marriage was an epic mistake.
00:33:14.680
And, you know, they mistook what was a great first date.
00:33:18.200
He's basically saying great sex for, like, you know, a real connection.
00:33:22.300
Okay, here's Madonna, a very young, beautiful Madonna.
00:33:26.460
At this point in my life, I could say that he is, was the great love of my life.
00:33:33.780
And I think most people have that one person, you know.
00:33:38.300
Okay, so I went and pulled up for you guys this Daily Beast piece that was published.
00:33:49.240
But it's about Sean Penn's, what they call the Daily Beast, horrifying history of alleged
00:33:55.220
Now, here's the, here's the, here's the good stuff, which is, I mean, like, the really
00:34:00.680
terrible stuff that Sean Penn has skated on forever, you know.
00:34:05.820
A quote, Penn was extremely violent toward his ex-wife, Madonna, when the two were married
00:34:12.180
Once in June 1987, he allegedly caused the pop superstar to be hospitalized after hitting
00:34:23.660
Okay, it doesn't say whether the bat was wooden or metal, which I think is a salient detail.
00:34:30.120
But Madonna remained protective of her husband and refused to press charges since Penn was
00:34:34.560
already facing 60 days in jail for assaulting a film extra.
00:34:38.960
Again, these guys go after women and they go after guys with no power.
00:34:46.860
Okay, then things got even uglier on December 28th, 1989.
00:34:56.320
According to a police report filed by Madonna, Penn scaled their Malibu home that afternoon,
00:35:03.320
found Madonna alone in her bedroom, and told her that he owned her, quote, lock, stock, and
00:35:09.380
barrel, according to reports, quote, when she told him she was leaving the house, he tried
00:35:14.700
to bind her hands with an electric lamp and cord.
00:35:18.760
I remember these details about the electric lamp and the cord, okay?
00:35:24.840
Screaming and afraid, Madonna fled from the bedroom.
00:35:28.220
What followed was a nine-hour ordeal which left her deeply shaken.
00:35:33.660
This nine-hour ordeal, Penn, I'm continuing to read from this report, chased her into the
00:35:59.020
He allegedly, quote, smacked and roughed up Madonna while she was tied to a chair, and
00:36:04.680
then he left for a few hours to buy more booze, leaving his then-wife bound and gagged.
00:36:12.160
Imagine, this is one of the most powerful pop stars, media stars on the planet, and this
00:36:35.340
Continuing to read, only to return and continue terrorizing her.
00:36:39.640
He only agreed to untie her after, quote, she agreed to perform a degrading sex act on
00:36:47.620
And then she fled the house, got in her car, and raced to the sheriff's office, eventually
00:36:53.620
I hardly recognized her as Madonna, Lieutenant Bill McSweeney said at the time.
00:37:00.480
She was weeping, her lip was bleeding, and she had obviously been struck.
00:37:06.400
Penn was charged with felony domestic assault, but Madonna told the DA to drop the charges against
00:37:15.940
And in 2015, she denied that that whole thing ever happened.
00:37:22.300
Okay, so now, and again, what kind of interviewer is Louis Theroux?
00:37:28.500
Because you contradict that stuff with some real facts, like I just gave you guys.
00:37:33.200
Here's Sean talking about his history of assaulting the paparazzi.
00:37:39.620
Take the, like with the paparazzi, for example.
00:37:42.180
You know, if you take the camera out of their hand, and you just close your eyes, and you
00:37:46.160
just think of, pick a person that you can imagine that you don't want in your life, and they
00:37:53.000
follow you everywhere, and they're looking through your windows at your house all day,
00:38:00.860
They can't do anything about it, because they're on public property, and God forbid you're
00:38:17.380
So first of all, I think the police, and I'm assuming this is LAPD, because Sean lives in
00:38:22.820
Uh, know Sean Penn a little bit too well, and I don't think they're too kindly disposed
00:38:31.120
Uh, this is a guy who shot at the helicopters who were hovering over the outdoor wedding
00:38:38.040
that Sean and Madonna were having on a huge Malibu estate.
00:38:45.400
If you don't want the paparazzi there, and you're marrying the most famous woman on the
00:38:48.800
planet, which she was then, maybe don't do it outside, you fucking asshole.
00:38:55.620
You know, maybe don't become such a star fucker, or, you know, such a celebrity that you then
00:39:02.700
say, well, the paparazzi follow me around all the time.
00:39:04.940
Do you know who one of the most famous actresses on the planet is?
00:39:10.180
These women know how to disappear when they want to, okay?
00:39:12.920
They know how to get around without hordes of paparazzi following them around.
00:39:17.420
Sean Penn loves to bang on about how smart he is, and, you know, how, like, DC
00:39:22.800
and, like, presidents should really be deploying him to solve major international crises and
00:39:29.080
Like, remember, New Orleans, he went down there.
00:39:33.160
Then he went and met with El Chapo, you know, like, the Mexican drug lord that, like, had
00:39:38.260
even, like, you know, America's counterterrorism people, frankly, terrified of.
00:39:44.300
You know, Sean Penn loves to insert himself because he's trying to prove he's smart, right?
00:39:47.260
Like, he likes to go on Bill Maher and talk about he's friends with Bill Maher because,
00:39:51.540
I mean, I think if you're really smart, you can figure something so elemental as not getting
00:39:59.480
Now, two other weird celebrity stories that came out this week that, again, I think we
00:40:06.840
Bruce Willis is like another, he's like a peer of Sean's just in terms of fame, the era in
00:40:14.860
Now, as we discussed last week, Bruce Willis has aphasia, okay?
00:40:28.900
And she's kind of the second wife or third wife that a Hollywood guy gets, you know, as
00:40:33.840
Like, the wives get younger, but they get less attractive.
00:40:37.600
Like, she's not, like, as attractive as Demi Moore.
00:40:39.320
So, anyway, she has a new memoir coming out, and it's all about her journey, her journey
00:40:47.880
Like, she thought she was in it with, like, a really rich, famous Hollywood celebrity,
00:40:52.980
So, she's got to, like, what is she going to do with herself?
00:40:55.080
She likes to pop up on the Today Show often, you know, from time to time, I'll say.
00:40:58.740
And, you know, give us updates on her husband's declining condition and how, most importantly,
00:41:05.440
And it's important for care partners to look after themselves so that they can be the best
00:41:10.620
care partner for the person that they're caring for.
00:41:13.940
When I think about your family, I see, like, beautiful children and your husband.
00:41:19.120
Are you still, are there ways that you celebrate joy in your family, and how do you do that?
00:41:24.820
I mean, we celebrate, there's so many beautiful things happening in our lives.
00:41:28.340
Because it's just really important for me to look up from the grief and the sadness so
00:41:39.520
And, you know, Bruce would really want us to be in the joy of what is.
00:41:50.680
My mother has dementia, and I can tell you there is zero joy in this journey.
00:41:57.400
And I, frankly, hope and wish for something else to take her out more quickly because
00:42:05.800
And I don't think about myself in this scenario.
00:42:08.820
So, Hoda, can you find ways to celebrate joy in this journey?
00:42:12.620
And as discussed last week, too, she's a total bitch, according to my friend.
00:42:15.620
And then Emma's sitting there, and she's talking about the joy of what is.
00:42:21.840
You know, I'm sure she's talking to Mel Robbins all the time.
00:42:24.620
So, anyway, her book is coming out in September.
00:42:26.580
It's called, of course it's called this, An Unexpected Journey.
00:42:32.920
Now, there are reports of a huge family rift that are coming to the surface.
00:42:37.700
And this is huge because this means it has, in my opinion, the stamp of approval of Demi
00:42:46.940
So, apparently, Demi and the three daughters that she shares with Bruce are not happy about
00:42:54.000
And this is big because this goes all against Brand Willis, you know, slash Moore, which
00:43:00.540
is all about showing this big, blended, happy family.
00:43:03.480
You know, that the two kids that Bruce has with Emma, like, they're all a big, happy family.
00:43:09.660
These are the quotes coming out of Camp Demi Moore and Demi's kids.
00:43:14.320
Quote, nobody's feeling good about it, meaning Emma's book.
00:43:16.520
Look, people understand that Emma's grief and that her experience might be able to help
00:43:22.840
That's being generous if the joy of what is is the most this moron has to offer us.
00:43:30.320
But using Bruce's name to sell a book while he's still battling aphasia and dementia at
00:43:39.220
Your dignity, I think, aside from your health, is your most prized possession.
00:43:44.180
And this woman's out there just throwing Bruce's remaining dignities on the pyre so
00:43:50.540
she can get some media hits on, like, today and fucking access Hollywood.
00:43:54.640
And maybe you buy her book in bulk so she can hit the New York Times bestseller list.
00:44:03.020
And this one is, I've never heard a celebrity overshare like this.
00:44:06.000
And I am going to include in this the Riley Keough disclosure in completing her mother,
00:44:16.060
So, Lisa Marie, daughter of Elvis Presley, that after her brother died, Riley's brother,
00:44:23.440
Lisa's son, Ben, died of a shotgun wound to the head, a suicide.
00:44:36.980
Had his embalmed body transported back to her casita where he stayed for a month and
00:44:49.120
Ashley Judd is out promoting this two-part documentary on the family, the Judds, the
00:44:56.240
mother, Naomi, and Ashley, who was the actress, and then Wynonna, who was part of the Judds
00:45:04.280
And as we know, Naomi battled mental illness for much of her life, and she eventually took
00:45:10.900
And, you know, we've all been made very familiar through interviews and memoirs and what have
00:45:21.440
You know, arrests, drug and alcohol addictions, morbid obesity, mental illness, childhood
00:45:29.540
And you would think that would be enough for us to know about.
00:45:32.840
That's actually more than I would care to know about, like, your family issues.
00:45:41.100
And, you know, Ashley, I think, is enjoying another round in the spotlight because she's
00:45:50.660
So, we need some media hits and we need some pages in Us Weekly.
00:45:54.740
And I brought this for you because when I read it on the train, I was like, I got to
00:46:02.020
In this documentary, she talks about the day her mother died.
00:46:10.920
And she was talking about how she didn't want to be on the planet anymore.
00:46:14.160
And Ashley thought she had talked her down and then left the house, came back later and
00:46:25.120
Now, Naomi Judd took her own life with a shotgun blast to the head.
00:46:30.280
Again, this is very unusual for women to kill themselves this way.
00:46:34.840
And, you know, Ashley, again, I was mystified by this, but I thought, you know, maybe it's
00:46:41.820
These people live in a very weird world where, like, if you don't do it on camera, does it
00:46:46.120
So, she sat down with Diane Sawyer in 2002 and talked about finding her mother and the
00:46:54.260
And I thought, okay, well, you know, there were no details and maybe this is it.
00:46:59.980
And this is her version of a catharsis and we'll never revisit this again.
00:47:04.340
Anytime I let my cynicism down vis-a-vis celebrities, I am 99% of the time proven wrong.
00:47:10.980
So, now Ashley is telling us that she called 911 after she found her mother bleeding from
00:47:24.320
And she says, I'm reading from the Us Weekly story.
00:47:27.280
Okay, quote, well, the story says, after 911 was called, Ashley held her mom for a half
00:47:45.060
And then when Naomi died, so this really is what this is sounding like, right?
00:47:50.460
That Naomi blew half of her head off, but was still alive.
00:47:57.320
And you can only imagine this scene, this vignette.
00:48:05.920
You know, I have to say, with Ashley Judd and with Emma Willis, like, I feel like this
00:48:13.080
Like, you are stripping, you are taking, you are stealing the remaining bit of dignity,
00:48:20.280
like, that Bruce Willis has, that her dead mother has.
00:48:28.060
You know, and I was thinking about this before, like, coming to talk to you guys about this
00:48:32.320
And it's like, it's all of a piece with what we've been discussing with Michelle Obama
00:48:36.620
and Meghan Markle and Elaria Baldwin, Elaria Baldwin.
00:48:40.320
Like, it seems like there's a lot of rage towards the true talents in the family, like the real
00:48:50.300
And this is all just, you know, they think that they're maybe winning in the moment and
00:48:55.940
it's giving them a dopamine hit, but in the long run, these people, these women, it's
00:49:10.160
So Ashley and Emma, to you, I would say all of this media attention, it's not the win that
00:49:19.640
Okay, we've got some more Kennedy family drama, a little story from me about Ryan Murphy,
00:49:31.820
I'm going to talk to you about a dog named Delta and a hero named Leo, Leo Grillo.
00:49:38.680
Now, Leo came across a very sick, starving, shaking Doberman while on a road trip, and
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he pulled over and he rescued that Doberman and took him home and named him Delta.
00:49:52.660
Now, Delta, of course, was just one of many animals that needed our help and do need our
00:50:00.940
help, and this all inspired Leo to start Delta Rescue.
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00:51:01.900
We all call Dog man's best friend for a reason, and if you don't, I don't want to know you,
00:51:18.920
So, Ryan Murphy made headlines this week with the announcement that he cast Naomi Watts as
00:51:26.960
Jackie Kennedy in his forthcoming miniseries, American Love Story, about the romance and marriage
00:51:45.180
I love how she's aging and not shooting her face up with Botox and getting, like, multiple
00:51:49.620
facelifts like every other actress on the planet.
00:51:52.060
But I have to say, I don't think this is a good casting move.
00:52:00.080
And, you know, I'm surprised because Naomi Watts kind of made a misstep in playing Princess
00:52:05.040
Diana, and, like, she got really bad reviews for it.
00:52:08.100
And she's a great actress, so you know it's bad when, like, she can't pull that off.
00:52:11.300
I don't even think they ever put that movie in theaters.
00:52:15.400
Um, so, you know, I don't like it, but, you know, this is Ryan Murphy, and he has his pets,
00:52:20.880
and I think Naomi is now one of his pets, and he likes to cast them over and over, whether
00:52:26.160
they're right for a part or not, and it's how we all got stuck with Sarah Paulson, okay?
00:52:33.120
And also, the actress playing Carolyn Bissette Kennedy looks nothing like her either, okay?
00:52:38.120
And Carolyn Bissette Kennedy was a very distinctive-looking woman, very distinctive, you know?
00:52:43.840
And as for JFK Jr., the casting, it doesn't really matter, because JFK Jr. is, as someone
00:52:48.780
who wrote the book, Ask Not, the Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed, he is the least interesting,
00:52:59.040
Now, I want to tell you my little story about Ryan Murphy.
00:53:02.720
So, last summer, after Ask Not came out, we got a call, meaning, like, my agent and I
00:53:10.220
We got offers from multiple people who are interested in buying the rights to the book
00:53:16.140
and optioning it so they could turn it into a series or a docu-series, whatever, and one
00:53:22.420
And they put me on a Zoom with not Ryan, who, for undisclosed reasons, you know, was so dying
00:53:31.200
This is the kind of hyperbole that you get when you're dealing with, like, Hollywood people.
00:53:37.440
It's like, they'll come to you, they come at you fast and hard.
00:53:40.760
They're like, you're like, buy me dinner first.
00:53:42.840
They're like, you're the greatest fucking thing since, like, air conditioning was invented,
00:53:47.460
I got to get, I got to get in bed with you, okay?
00:53:51.060
I haven't, I haven't seen genius like this since fucking Albert Einstein, okay?
00:53:54.860
Like, your book, I couldn't put your book down.
00:53:56.980
Then you later find out, they never read the book.
00:54:00.160
And so I was put on a Zoom with his number two, who frankly did seem a little terrified
00:54:05.700
of Ryan, who was, like, off on a yacht somewhere.
00:54:07.880
And, you know, we really want to do this, it's really perfect for us, blah, blah, blah,
00:54:10.640
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:54:11.800
You know, you sit there and you're like, I kind of got the verbal gangbang, you know?
00:54:15.640
And then we got off the phone, I got off the Zoom with him, and then, like, right away,
00:54:22.400
their offer on paper landed in my inbox, which was surprising because it usually doesn't
00:54:29.460
And that was, again, like, coming on fast and strong and being like, we're really serious.
00:54:34.380
Like, we want this property, and we've already gone to our overlords at Disney and, like,
00:54:41.960
Now, what happens is you take that, and it's par for the course that that is the opening salvo.
00:54:50.400
Like, you're entering into a good faith negotiation.
00:54:56.440
And so as we do, we said, okay, we would like to counter for the following things and the
00:55:05.500
And, again, I didn't hear anything for, like, a couple of weeks.
00:55:11.620
And my agent called and was like, I felt like maybe not really wanting to share this news
00:55:16.880
because it's not great, but it wasn't her fault.
00:55:34.540
And I've asked around because, like, I've never heard of this happening either.
00:55:38.520
And I said, do you think he just couldn't believe we had the gall, like, the fucking
00:55:46.820
And I was like, well, fuck that guy, you know, because, like, I don't want to be in
00:55:50.100
business with somebody like that, you know, who, by the way, not every Ryan Murphy production
00:55:57.100
Not every Ryan Murphy production is, like, the O.J. Simpson trial, you know, whatever it
00:56:08.980
And then my second question was, I literally said to my agent, like, what do you hear?
00:56:14.260
Because this feels like drug addict behavior to me.
00:56:20.020
So, and then I was talking to another friend of mine who also happens to write books.
00:56:23.540
And she told me that the same thing happened to her, you know, but she did wind up, like,
00:56:30.800
And he sat on it for years and was constantly promising every year, oh, your book's top of
00:56:40.220
And, like, he sat on it so long that it lost all momentum and nobody cares about it anymore.
00:56:44.300
And so, you know, I think I really dodged a bullet.
00:56:46.520
But that's just a little bit of, like, how that kind of scene works.
00:56:50.160
And it's not, it's not nearly as exciting as you think it is.
00:56:53.600
Like, literally, anytime someone's like, oh, someone from, you know, you're just like,
00:57:00.720
Anyway, okay, now we are getting to mail, okay, from you guys.
00:57:10.340
I am so excited to do this, okay, because I think we're, I think we're having a bit of
00:57:15.260
Okay, this is an email from someone who just signs off.
00:57:23.500
I definitely think your brother, Bill from Brooklyn, should be on as much as you want to have
00:57:32.640
Bill is also developing a contingent of female fans who, you know, express disappointment
00:57:43.140
I also think that you should have the tearing apart of the advice columnist as a regular segment.
00:57:50.840
Now, also, as a 49-year-old man, Kevin says, I wanted to say I appreciate the mean girl segment.
00:57:56.620
Kevin goes on to say he's part of a group of people on Facebook.
00:58:02.640
But anytime he offers any opinion that is lightly politically conservative, he gets a lot of
00:58:18.640
So, Kevin says, the mean girls thing can happen regardless of age and gender, unfortunately.
00:58:25.280
And so, anyway, please keep exposing those people.
00:58:29.380
That's what we're here for, doing it all day long.
00:58:33.400
Now, this is another email about mean girl stuff, and this letter is signed merely a viewer
00:58:40.400
from Sweden, and, like, it's kind of mind-blowing.
00:58:42.600
People are watching us in other countries, and I'm totally humbled by this.
00:58:46.600
So, in regard to mean girls and Meghan Markle, one and the same, my opinion, she writes that
00:58:54.640
there are so many similar behaviors between what's being reported about Prince Harry's
00:58:59.940
We should just call her Prince Harry's wife from now on, and adult mean girls in the office.
00:59:03.760
I've been subjected to, personally, being singled out and targeted by such a person in the workplace,
00:59:09.520
finding yourself suddenly the one, an adult mean girl has her sights on in the office, can
00:59:14.720
And, viewer from Sweden, as you signed off, I can relate.
00:59:19.440
And let me tell you that when I was starting out at the New York Post, I will not make sense
00:59:24.640
I will not name this person, and it's a kindness that, frankly, she doesn't deserve.
00:59:29.280
But I wound up working for this woman who, you know, hired me, and I was warned by more
00:59:40.560
And when I tell you that I was tormented within an inch of my life, I would be made to work,
00:59:45.700
like, till two or three in the morning, multiple nights in a row.
00:59:52.180
I would find myself, like, just, like, in tears in her office.
00:59:59.380
I'm not, I'm not, like, that, like, I have a pretty tough shell.
01:00:04.200
But the humiliation and the bullying and the gaslighting, you know, and it was so bad that,
01:00:12.020
like, these experienced, these older men who were very experienced newsroom veterans would
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make it a point to walk by her office whenever I was in there, it was glass walls, and poke
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their heads in and be like, is everything okay in here?
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I later outsmarted her and outed her as the bully she was.
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And she eventually got ding, ding, ding, down, down, down the totem pole until they forced
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her out and gave her a going-away party that was doubled as a real humiliation for her.
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On her way out the door, she asked me to have a private meeting.
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But I went, because I knew it was going to happen, and, like, all bullies.
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She was just doing a little housekeeping on the way out the door, like, you know, making
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sure that, like, I wouldn't talk shit about her.
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You know, I regret certain things that I did, all this kind of passive language.
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If she's listening and watching, you consider this right now.
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Like, I knew exactly what you were doing and why you were doing with it.
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And by the way, I later found out from one of my best friends who I made while working
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there, this is the really creepy part, that she would say to one of my best friends,
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often, I'm sure, after yet another abuse session, don't you think Maureen is really
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There was, like, probably a psychosexual component to this that I was completely unaware of and
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that creeped me out even further because stuff was going on in this woman's sick mind, just
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You know, I probably, that experience did teach me a lot.
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As I did say to her, that wasn't a lie, but she's a piece of shit.
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From another viewer, listener, Harry's crown jewels.
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I am not a psychologist, but I did a deep dive into Harry's psyche upon seeing your coverage
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He is seeking his lost manhood, his lost crown jewels.
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I wish I can shout to him that his testicles are most likely tucked away like gems in one
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of Meghan's handcrafted lavender sachets, sachets, rather, sorry, with a big handwritten H on
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I happen to tour, I think they're at the bottom of a body of water somewhere, but, you know,
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I happen to tour Windsor Castle after they got married and would happily fill in as the
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spare, being served gin and tonics and finger sandwiches while reading my Kindle.
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She says that throughout my life, before I was married especially, I had many strong
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But the fights and fallouts with women always hurt more than any breakup with a man.
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Most of the men I dated, I was glad to be rid of.
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She says her theory is that the pattern she noticed was that many of my worst conflicts
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Having a brother growing up makes a difference.
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It teaches you how to argue, forgive, and move on.
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These women often couldn't let go of an issue, which we are seeing right now with Michelle
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I frankly think her brother is terrified of her.
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Now, she says that her first friendship breakup was in the sixth grade.
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Surrounded by a circle of classmates outside the schoolyard.
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That moment left a lasting mark, and I remember it vividly.
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Jill goes on to say the following wise, sage words.
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As we grow older, we should recognize that a true female friend is a gift.
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We shouldn't be so quick to cut ties over misunderstandings or emotions that should pass.
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Friendship later, that should pass rather, excuse me.
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Friendship later in life is just as important as family.
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This might be my favorite subject line of recent days.
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A reference to our conversation about our friend who was climbing mountains like a crazy person.
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I've lost your last page, but you know who you are.
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First of all, took the time to acknowledge my greatness as an astronaut.
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Now, the JFK Jr. stuff, he is reminding me of a couple of interviews.
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And, you know, this falls into the Ryan Murphy thing, which, you know, by the way, I'm just
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going to say to Ryan Murphy, if I see stuff that is proprietary to my book that you tried
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to option and then decided to option and then decided not to, and it's in your project, there's
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He said that he recalled seeing a 42-year-old man after JFK Jr. crashed that plane, fatally
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killing, fatally, killing is redundant, the fatal crash that killed him, his wife, and his
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sister-in-law, a 42-year-old man at Teterboro Airport, New Jersey, was interviewed in a newspaper,
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said that he had been a licensed pilot since age 15 before he was even licensed to drive
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He arrived at Teterboro, planning to fly to Nantucket the night he saw JFK Jr., this was
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the night of the crash, doing a flight check of his plane while hobbling around on crutches,
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So, this 42-year-old pilot with 27 years' experience as a licensed pilot looked at the weather charts
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and decided not to fly to Nantucket that night, even as he saw JFK Jr. get into his plane and
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And that guy went home and turned on CNN and, you know, the rest is history.
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And our final one for today, and I think this is a great email, and I think we should all
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Her question, is there a collective name for viewers of The Nerve?
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Most YouTube channels with a big following give their viewers a collective name so we could
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Like, she mentions Heather McDonald, the comedian who's got a Juicy Scoop YouTube channel, and
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I mean, I kind of thought, like, when I read this email, I thought, well, like, I'm not really
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Um, and I think that's enough homework, really.
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Um, now, we will see you next Tuesday, but I also want to know that, uh, I want to let
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you know, rather, that we are constantly hearing and reading your feedback, and we know you guys
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are loving the mini nerves and the drops on the weekend, and we've got another one for
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you this weekend, so keep your eyes out for it.
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I think it's really, it's something we've never done before.
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It's a way we've come at celebrity and pop culture in a way we've never done before, and
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We've got, um, a chef, and we've got an author, and each one is bonkers in its own special
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We will see you back here when we see you at The Nerve, where you'll never guess what