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00:01:31.160 Hey everyone, welcome back to The Nerve, your home for celebrity gossip, true crime, and real talk about fake people.

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00:03:55.700 So, we begin today's edition of The Nerve with the Diddy trial, which is unfolding here in New York City.

00:04:07.520 We are in day five.

00:04:09.680 It's taking place in federal court.

00:04:11.980 And here are the key things to know.

00:04:14.880 And some of this stuff, I have to warn you, it's extremely graphic.

00:04:18.900 So, if you're sensitive to gory details or you have little ones around, you might want to skip ahead.

00:04:26.500 Now, there's a new extended version of the video that shows Sean Combs beating Cassie violently in a Los Angeles hotel.

00:04:39.360 It was the Intercontinental Hotel in 2016.

00:04:43.080 This was shown in court this week, and it was released to the media.

00:04:47.360 Yeah, let's take a look at it.

00:04:52.900 So, she's walking.

00:04:55.380 She's walking like she's really, really trying.

00:04:57.300 Here he goes.

00:04:58.180 He catches her, and he grabs her, and he's dragging her.

00:05:02.680 Now, we see what looks like a security guard talking to Sean Combs, who's wrapped in just a towel.

00:05:10.480 So, that, which to me is extremely, extremely telling, okay?

00:05:15.760 Like, that's another pair of eyes on this, okay?

00:05:19.520 Now, just a side note.

00:05:22.280 New York still does not allow television cameras in federal court, and I do not understand why.

00:05:28.120 You know, these trials, they're all of our business.

00:05:31.240 All of our business.

00:05:32.300 I believe that, just my opinion, but from what I've read and what I've seen thus far,

00:05:37.460 I believe Sean Combs is a very dangerous man, an extremely dangerous man, and what's going on in here, we all have a right to see and hear it, okay?

00:05:46.560 Now, Cassie testified that she was often drugged up for these freak-offs, that she says she was often forced to participate in more than once when having her period.

00:05:59.920 Here's what she said in court on the stand.

00:06:03.820 Sean would expect it.

00:06:05.560 I don't think anyone wants to do that.

00:06:08.680 Of course not.

00:06:10.300 But what is really interesting here is the distancing language that she is still using.

00:06:15.440 She says, I don't think anybody wants to do that.

00:06:18.080 She's not saying, I didn't want to do that.

00:06:20.240 I never wanted to do that.

00:06:21.660 I can't believe I had to do that or did that.

00:06:24.120 Okay, that's somebody who has really begun trying to separate and compartmentalize this part of her life, you know?

00:06:32.720 And she clearly doesn't really want to go back there.

00:06:35.120 And she's like eight and a half months pregnant on the stand, you know? 0.87

00:06:38.700 She's going on to say that male sex workers that were hired for these freak-offs would urinate on her. 1.00

00:06:47.600 Okay, that's what Sean Combs thinks about women, by the way. 0.98

00:06:50.300 And if you think that's too harsh, sometimes Combs would urinate in Cassie's mouth. 1.00

00:06:57.560 Okay, this is the testimony Cassie gave to federal prosecutor Emily Johnson, who asked Cassie, did you ever consent to this?

00:07:06.800 Cassie said no.

00:07:08.640 There was no conversation.

00:07:10.320 It was a turn-on for him, so it happened.

00:07:13.140 There is not a whole lot of control you have with two men standing over you peeing.

00:07:18.420 I thought it was obvious.

00:07:20.580 I don't want to do it.

00:07:23.460 Okay?

00:07:24.680 This is...

00:07:26.280 She went on to say,

00:07:27.820 there was one instance in which Combs urinated in her mouth so profusely that Cassie testified, quote, 0.55

00:07:35.640 I was choking.

00:07:38.260 Now, the defense is going to put up the argument and has laid the groundwork.

00:07:43.980 Like, look, yeah, Sean Combs, he's a deviant. 0.75

00:07:46.780 You know, you may not find what he's doing palatable, you know, but it's his sex life.

00:07:53.920 And if everybody's a willing participant, you know, that's not criminal behavior.

00:07:58.500 This testimony that she is giving in open court, eight and a half months pregnant, she and her husband, Alex Fine, have two other children.

00:08:08.640 I can only imagine the insane amount of stress she's under and her fear that she's going to be, like, provoked into, like, early labor, you know. 1.00

00:08:16.900 Name me a woman who would sit in open court and testify to such degrading, humiliating acts visited upon her, 0.99

00:08:26.840 especially against this guy who seems extremely dangerous and be making it up.

00:08:31.820 Like, what is she possibly, she's already gotten her payday.

00:08:35.640 He gave her $20 million to drop the lawsuit she filed in November 2023.

00:08:41.100 Remember the same month that Naomi Campbell threw Sean Combs a lavish 50th birthday party in London, okay?

00:08:49.000 We also learned that Sean Combs filled an inflatable pool with baby oil, and this was in a hotel room.

00:09:00.020 I live in fear that I have stayed in a hotel room that Sean Combs once threw a freak off in, okay?

00:09:05.800 It's closed now, but he used to use the Gramercy Park Hotel at least once for this stuff, okay?

00:09:10.620 So, we also learned that Cassie, as she testified to us, suffered great physical, deleterious side effects, diseases.

00:09:25.400 Her oral health was terrible because Sean Combs would have her perform with people who had been lubed up, 1.00

00:09:36.660 and so all this stuff is, like, in her mouth, and she had UTIs multiple times.

00:09:41.880 Almost every woman I know has had a UTI at some point, but she had them so often, and they are brutal.

00:09:47.660 They are so painful.

00:09:49.360 Like, that Cipro stopped working for her. 0.86

00:09:51.840 She had gastrointestinal issues from all this copious sex with all these strangers who were, like, it's enough.

00:09:58.460 It's enough for today, okay?

00:09:59.580 I think that Sean Combs is in a lot of trouble, okay?

00:10:07.960 And this is part of the reason why.

00:10:10.220 His defense team asked the judge in this case to disallow Cassie from walking up to the stand because she is so visibly pregnant,

00:10:22.060 and their argument, I guess, is that that could be prejudicial to the jury, that her being a pregnant woman might evoke some sympathy.

00:10:31.420 And, by the way, the judge denied this, but this goes to the hypocrisy of it.

00:10:35.360 This is as Sean Combs sits there in court with his Bible, okay, his Bible.

00:10:41.800 Like, try to be a little subtle, just a little bit, okay?

00:10:45.780 And he's making heart symbols with his hands, okay?

00:10:50.460 So, and he sits there in, like, this gray sweater.

00:10:52.880 You know, he's just looking like your friendly neighborhood accountant, you know, this thug.

00:10:57.520 Are you kidding me? 0.67

00:10:58.980 Okay.

00:10:59.900 Meanwhile, he's got his children in this courthouse.

00:11:04.360 Okay, they're older.

00:11:05.400 They're, like, teenagers maybe or early 20s.

00:11:08.360 But why are his children here?

00:11:10.920 Why are they listening to this stuff?

00:11:12.680 You know, I'm looking at that, if I'm a juror, which I would never be, I just couldn't do it with this guy.

00:11:19.080 But if I'm a juror, I'm not looking at that as, like, oh, wow, you know, Sean Combs, like, his family really, these kids look traumatized, by the way, okay?

00:11:28.740 These kids really believe in him so much that they showed up in court to support him. 0.99

00:11:34.360 I'm thinking, what kind of sick fuck has his kids show up in court and listen to this stuff and be aware of what their father was getting up to when he was probably never home, okay? 0.99

00:11:47.100 Now, the daughter's left during some of the more graphic testimony in the Cassie stuff. 1.00

00:11:52.460 But truly, they should not be there at all.

00:11:55.120 And, by the way, Diddy's mother is treating this trial like it's her own personal catwalk.

00:12:02.120 Like, she's rocking up in this, like, extravagant, what I assume is a wig.

00:12:06.160 It's a big, curly, fluffy, blonde wig.

00:12:09.360 And she's got her movie star sunglasses on.

00:12:11.560 And she's wearing her animal prints.

00:12:13.680 You know, this is not the time or the place, okay?

00:12:17.960 But I guess we're getting a glimpse into, you know, the Combs family dynamics, as it were. 0.99

00:12:22.500 Now, a final note, and truly the icing on this shit cake. 0.98

00:12:29.700 On Wednesday, the jurors were shown still photos from some of these freak-offs. 0.99

00:12:37.220 And according to reports, several jurors physically recoiled.

00:12:42.080 One female juror actually, like, turned her head to the side to look away. 0.99

00:12:46.640 Just to underscore, this jury panel is composed of hardened New Yorkers, okay?

00:12:52.720 They have seen it all. 0.96

00:12:54.360 And I guarantee every single one of them, as have I, has seen since COVID at least one homeless person openly masturbating.

00:13:02.600 On the street, on the subway.

00:13:04.440 Okay, we see a lot.

00:13:05.980 Okay, so if they're disgusted, it's not looking great for Sean Combs, okay?

00:13:10.260 A related update.

00:13:13.140 Chris Brown was just arrested again.

00:13:16.980 This time in the UK for a 2023 attack against a promoter in a nightclub.

00:13:22.680 Chris Brown allegedly smashed a bottle of tequila over this guy's head, then began kicking and punching him.

00:13:30.000 Now, do you remember Rihanna and the beating she took at his hands?

00:13:33.060 And how she went back?

00:13:34.320 Guys like this don't change.

00:13:37.120 And I hope that the jury is considering this stuff because the Cassie testimony is complicated, okay?

00:13:42.140 She was with him for 10 years.

00:13:43.860 She did keep going back.

00:13:45.340 And she did love him.

00:13:47.500 So it's nuanced.

00:13:48.820 It's not black and white.

00:13:50.640 Now, we have another brief update.

00:13:53.120 The Menendez brothers, okay?

00:13:54.680 They got their resentencing trial this week.

00:13:56.900 And their lawyer said they're going to move very quickly to get these guys out.

00:14:00.100 But I would just like to remind everybody, including the either brainwashed or the psychologically very unwell members of the Menendez clan and Kitty Menendez, the mother, they're all arguing for these two to be let out.

00:14:18.720 Okay, they paid their dues.

00:14:20.240 You know, I would like to just remind us all this was a premeditated crime.

00:14:25.640 These two planned it for at least a week.

00:14:28.120 You know, they purchased the firearms, the rifles, I believe, at least a week before.

00:14:34.880 When the investigators showed up at the crime scene, their father's brain fell out of his skull.

00:14:41.520 Mother's face blasted off. 1.00

00:14:43.420 They had a fake alibi.

00:14:44.560 And they said the cops should have arrested them that very night.

00:14:47.080 And they couldn't believe that they didn't.

00:14:49.060 So I'm sure that these two, if they do get out, will be a great addition to society.

00:14:53.060 And now for some lighter celebrity true crime, it's Taylor Swift versus Blake Lively.

00:15:00.940 And this is getting good.

00:15:02.360 Okay, you guys, this is getting good.

00:15:03.960 Now, look at these two.

00:15:05.440 Okay.

00:15:05.860 They loved to pose in these provocative, like, you know, are we lovers?

00:15:12.220 There's maybe, you know, Blake owns Taylor, you know, Blake made Taylor godmother to, like,

00:15:18.740 at least three of her four children, which I have said before, feels gratuitous.

00:15:23.160 Okay. 1.00

00:15:23.440 Don't be such a star fucker. 1.00

00:15:25.580 Now, Taylor apparently was told to brace. 1.00

00:15:29.680 Her team was told to brace for a subpoena from Justin Baldoni's legal team.

00:15:34.980 And she's pissed. 0.84

00:15:36.000 Okay.

00:15:36.420 She seems pissed.

00:15:37.640 Sounds like she's pissed. 0.99

00:15:38.760 I think she's pissed.

00:15:39.500 So leaking from Tay-Tay's camp this week was the grievous, grave accusation that Blake Lively

00:15:47.780 attempted to blackmail Taylor.

00:15:50.560 Okay.

00:15:51.140 That Blake Lively said, if you don't support me in me bringing this case and all these

00:15:57.960 accusations that seem to be falling apart, like, you know, just like confetti out of a

00:16:02.000 pinata, if you, Taylor Swift, don't back me, I'm going to leak private texts between you 1.00

00:16:09.060 and I.

00:16:09.640 And these apparently go back decades.

00:16:12.420 Okay.

00:16:12.820 So Blake's basically saying, hey, Taylor, I know where a lot of your bodies are buried

00:16:16.980 and I'm going to exhume them if you don't get on my train.

00:16:21.040 Okay.

00:16:21.340 This is getting so great.

00:16:23.400 I cannot wait for the next development in this.

00:16:26.120 All three of these people, not nearly as smart as they think they are.

00:16:29.360 Okay. 0.99

00:16:29.640 Up next, we have a showbiz titan whose sexual disclosures are bonkers and they are so cynical 0.96

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00:18:14.860 So Barry Diller has been making the rounds, and he's about 83 years old.

00:18:21.380 He is one of the most longtime power brokers in Hollywood and tech.

00:18:26.280 He is one of the most wealthy, powerful, and I'm going to say it, controlling men in these

00:18:33.200 worlds, okay?

00:18:34.700 Now, he's been in a power marriage to the fashion designer Diane von Furstenberg for decades

00:18:41.760 now, okay?

00:18:42.380 So he's got this memoir.

00:18:44.240 It's called Who Knew?

00:18:45.740 Question mark.

00:18:46.960 And I find this title ironic and funny in ways he may not be particularly aware of,

00:18:54.980 okay?

00:18:55.220 Because this is his media tour, okay?

00:18:58.420 Hey, I'm 83 years old, and I finally feel, in this climate for real, I finally feel comfortable

00:19:05.800 enough to come out as a gay man.

00:19:07.440 I mean, everybody on the planet, like, either has a non-binary kid or they're, like, getting 1.00

00:19:13.360 transgender surgery or, you know, like, they're pansexual.

00:19:17.920 Just ask Lily Gladstone. 0.99

00:19:19.460 Check our last couple of episodes for that.

00:19:21.980 Or they're in full-blown relationships with, like, the Eiffel Tower or the Berlin Wall.

00:19:26.040 But now, finally, Barry Diller can do it, okay?

00:19:30.320 He can come out as a gay man.

00:19:32.420 Now, the twist to this story is he also claims straight face, no pun intended, to be madly 1.00

00:19:40.280 in love with his wife, Diane, with whom he has lots and lots of hot sex, okay? 0.98

00:19:45.380 I could not make this up. 0.98

00:19:46.700 Take a look at this.

00:19:48.360 It seems to me like one of the points you're trying to make in the book is that it doesn't

00:19:51.600 have to be a mutually exclusive thing, that you can be in love with Diane and at the same

00:19:58.000 time be attracted to men.

00:20:00.100 Yes, I don't see anything mutually exclusive about that.

00:20:03.460 Now, I mean, other people may, but I don't.

00:20:06.360 Okay, note the moment where he takes a sip of water.

00:20:09.020 It's like, that's a little bit of a towel.

00:20:11.160 That's a little bit of, like, a security blanket.

00:20:13.400 I'm going to cover my mouth.

00:20:14.540 I'm going to shut my mouth around something because I don't know what might come out of

00:20:18.820 it.

00:20:19.020 I cannot believe this reporter took this seriously.

00:20:21.620 I know these are puff pieces for CBS Sunday Morning, which is all about, you know, celebrity

00:20:27.220 puffery and, like, happy stories.

00:20:29.180 But let's get real.

00:20:30.780 Okay, one of the smartest, most brilliant titans of industry is sitting there and saying to this

00:20:36.540 reporter, hey, there's nothing mutually exclusive with me saying I am a gay man and also saying 0.98

00:20:43.020 I am madly in love with my wife with whom I have sex all the time. 0.94

00:20:46.800 That is the very definition of mutually exclusive.

00:20:51.880 Okay, I don't know what happens to these reporters when they sit in front of these people who are 0.99

00:20:55.920 spewing this garbage. 0.97

00:20:57.480 Now, I just would like to say, again, as a kid on Long Island whose parents let my third parent 0.98

00:21:03.960 be page six, and I love them for it.

00:21:07.320 I mean, at 10 years old, I was reading all about the Velvet Mafia.

00:21:10.380 Okay, I knew everybody who was in the Velvet Mafia and what they were up to.

00:21:14.840 Now, for those of you who may not know, it was a group of closeted gay men who were very powerful.

00:21:20.320 One was Barry Diller.

00:21:21.380 The other was David Geffen, the music mogul who dated Cher.

00:21:26.200 And then the third was the fashion designer, Calvin Klein, who married Kelly Klein, like

00:21:31.240 in the 80s or the 90s, I think when he was trying to go public and he needed a beard.

00:21:35.600 And we're going to circle back to this at the end of the show with Carolyn Bissett talk.

00:21:39.800 So, you know, the idea that the mainstream media is like treating this disclosure as breaking 0.98

00:21:45.320 news is not only ridiculous to me, it's pathetic. 0.98

00:21:47.760 And this is why they are dying, because this is exactly what Barry Diller wants them to 1.00

00:21:52.580 write about.

00:21:53.240 This is, and he's acting like he's giving them a big gift with this.

00:21:56.800 Okay, this is what I think is going on.

00:21:59.960 Barry Diller is 83 years old and he is looking down the barrel of his legacy.

00:22:05.900 And what is that going to be, right?

00:22:07.800 And what is the first line of his obit going to be?

00:22:10.580 And do you know what he would like to have completely unmentioned and unforgotten, sorry,

00:22:15.500 forgotten, okay, I won't forget it, but forgotten, would be his vile, violent treatment of subordinates

00:22:22.880 over the years. 0.97

00:22:24.060 This guy is a beast, okay? 0.99

00:22:25.940 He is a beast. 0.94

00:22:27.000 And you would not want to be alone in four walls with him.

00:22:29.120 I think just my opinion, because he is really formidable.

00:22:34.840 And I'm going to get to a lawsuit that he inserted himself into and the threats he made

00:22:39.500 vis-a-vis that.

00:22:40.860 So let's take a look at this book excerpt from the friendly book that has little Barry

00:22:48.260 Diller, just a kid from Long Island who made it.

00:22:51.100 Who knew?

00:22:51.700 Who knew?

00:22:52.180 Okay, this is a little bit of an acknowledgement that maybe he had some sharp elbows in some

00:23:01.280 business dealings.

00:23:03.040 Quote, sometimes the staff would ask, is it commercial?

00:23:07.640 I'm sure, by the way, it took every bit of like, just guts these people had to ever question

00:23:16.220 Barry Diller ever.

00:23:17.640 Because as he goes on to say, quote, and I would brutalize them, brutalize, that's a 0.62

00:23:24.520 very strong word. 1.00

00:23:25.800 I would brutalize them because rather than using their instincts, he's calling them dumb, the 1.00

00:23:31.400 people he hired, he's calling them dumb. 1.00

00:23:32.760 They were trying to predict the public's appetite, which I said then and say now over and over 0.99

00:23:39.260 again simply is impossible.

00:23:40.880 I'm sorry.

00:23:41.480 We live in a world that is dictated by like an Orwellian algorithm that totally predicts

00:23:48.100 our appetites.

00:23:49.220 We live with phones that overhear everything we say and push ads.

00:23:53.440 Like, I swear to God, sometimes I think my phone is reading my mind.

00:23:56.260 Like, I think it's melded with me in the most sinister ways possible. 1.00

00:23:59.340 So that's a bunch of bullshit, okay? 0.98

00:24:01.500 Now, Barry Diller once allegedly, allegedly, threw a VHS tape, and that's how long these 0.99

00:24:09.360 accusations go back, okay?

00:24:10.680 I mean, we are in the Paleolithic age of like VHS physical tapes that went into VCRs at an

00:24:17.340 underling, okay?

00:24:18.100 He missed, but that tape was thrown with so much force that Diller put a hole in the wall

00:24:22.720 with it, okay?

00:24:23.320 Now, to the lawsuit, and this is just one that we know of, I'm going to guess this is

00:24:27.580 sort of, you know, this is Barry Diller.

00:24:30.160 He also allegedly threatened to destroy an employee who blew the whistle about an alleged

00:24:38.120 sexual assault by Diller's right-hand man at Tinder, okay?

00:24:43.160 So this is according to a, I'm going to hold it up, a 2021 report in the Daily Mail, Diller,

00:24:52.220 regarding this whistleblower, who was reporting a sexual assault, okay? 1.00

00:24:56.220 This is serious shit. 0.99

00:24:58.320 Quote, threatened to go after this whistleblower for everything he has, his parents have, and 0.99

00:25:06.280 anyone he knows has, end quote, if this guy didn't drop the matter entirely.

00:25:10.500 Everything this guy's parents have, I mean, do you know, like, Barry Diller would be, I

00:25:16.180 think, the C-suite version of, again, just my opinion, but in terms of ruthlessness, and 0.64

00:25:22.420 like, if you don't do what I want, I'm going to, I will, I will either kill you, Diddy, allegedly, 0.99

00:25:28.620 physically, or Barry Diller, I'll wipe you out financially and reputationally, and you'll 1.00

00:25:32.640 wind up living in a homeless shelter.

00:25:33.840 You know, Barry Diller, Sean Combs, two sides, maybe of the same coin, but, you know, just 0.97

00:25:40.800 this, the takeaway remains, the takeaway remains that Barry Diller is just your cuddly old gay 0.99

00:25:45.900 man who's married to a woman who he just has lots of enthusiastic sex with all the time, 1.00

00:25:51.360 but he's gay. 1.00

00:25:52.140 Okay. 0.95

00:25:52.660 Got it.

00:25:53.300 By the way, this sort of legacy play reminds me a lot of Scott Rudin, okay, another Hollywood

00:26:02.480 super producer who's back on a redemption tour.

00:26:05.440 Guess who, like, rolled out the red carpet for him recently?

00:26:07.860 I think it was the New York Times, okay?

00:26:10.560 Now, this guy, he was canceled.

00:26:13.660 I mean, he started selling off, like, high-end artwork and high-end real estate, okay?

00:26:19.180 He was canceled for a pattern of seriously abusing underlings, okay?

00:26:25.160 He once allegedly, allegedly put one of, I mean, we're talking, like, PAs, like, personal

00:26:31.820 assistants, like, these are the people who, like, are starting in the, they're very young,

00:26:37.620 they have very little experience, and those are the ones that monsters like these go after,

00:26:42.460 okay?

00:26:42.660 They're the soft targets.

00:26:44.160 He allegedly put one in the hospital, okay?

00:26:46.880 And this isn't, like, from overwork, like, the poor kids, like, in the financial industry

00:26:52.140 who are working, like, 150 hours a week and, like, drop dead at their desks.

00:26:56.340 This isn't that, okay?

00:26:58.580 One of my other favorite Scott Rudin stories has one of his terrified assistants who, like,

00:27:05.280 can't do it anymore.

00:27:06.780 So they're sitting in the back of a car, you know, he's got a driver, Rudin, and they're

00:27:11.540 hurtling down, like, a major New York highway, like, a major artery.

00:27:15.760 And this assistant says to Scott, like, I have to tell you, like, today is my last day.

00:27:22.500 And Scott Rudin, according to this story, this alleged version of events, turns to this

00:27:28.660 terrified assistant and says, your last moment is now, and throws this kid out of the car

00:27:36.740 on the side of, again, a major, major highway.

00:27:39.280 Now, I do have to say, as far as dialogue goes, that is killer, okay?

00:27:43.540 That's not Michelle Obama saying to Barack after Barack says, you know, vis-a-vis the

00:27:48.040 recent death of her mother, well, you're up next.

00:27:50.560 Michelle saying, you're up next.

00:27:53.280 I mean, that is a great rejoinder, that I will give that to Scott Rudin.

00:27:57.080 Your last moment is now is really great.

00:27:59.640 Now, I would like to share a little of my own Scott Rudin story.

00:28:03.440 So when this stuff started breaking, and it was kind of, it was like after Harvey was

00:28:07.940 sort of outed and all those bombshells were coming out and, like, people were now feeling

00:28:12.280 like, oh, they could tell their stories and they wouldn't be exiled from, like, working

00:28:17.640 in Hollywood or on Broadway or media, what have you.

00:28:21.460 I was deputized by my editor to write a story about Scott Rudin, which is how I know, like,

00:28:26.800 off the top of my head, the stuff I just told you.

00:28:28.540 And so there was a guy who worked at the New York Post.

00:28:33.180 He was, like, the theater critic, but he was just, like, a little too cozy with these

00:28:36.300 people.

00:28:37.100 Like, he would brag, like, he would write a book and he would brag and he would be

00:28:40.360 like, yeah, you know, I finished my book up at, like, Andrew Lloyd Webber's estate

00:28:44.600 in, like, Majorca or whatever.

00:28:46.160 And I'm like, how can you call yourself, like, a critic and, like, let me be taking these

00:28:53.300 favors from these people?

00:28:54.140 Like, anyway, so this story, like, we're putting it to bed.

00:28:59.980 You know, it's about to go online and it's, like, late on a Friday night and I get a call

00:29:05.260 from this guy, my colleague, my then colleague.

00:29:08.360 And again, like, not subtle.

00:29:11.000 Like, I thought he would surely be a little bit more skilled at this kind of thing, but

00:29:14.580 investigative journalism was clearly not his forte.

00:29:17.300 Okay, he calls me and he's at, like, a nearby bar and he goes, hey, you know who I just

00:29:23.460 happen to be having a drink with right now?

00:29:26.500 Scott Rudin. 1.00

00:29:28.940 So I'm like, thanks, asshole. 0.99

00:29:31.900 You told him, like, I'm doing, like, he already heard I was doing it, I'm sure, but, like, 0.99

00:29:36.360 you're calling me with Scott Rudin next to you?

00:29:38.640 Like, whose side are you on? 1.00

00:29:40.540 Like, the newsbreakers and the troublemakers are, like, these assholes. 0.99

00:29:44.580 So then he says to me, you know, why don't you just send that story over my way? 0.99

00:29:50.500 Like, why don't you just email it to me?

00:29:51.860 And, like, this way Scott can read it. 0.99

00:29:53.540 I shit you not. 0.90

00:29:55.800 This way Scott can read it and tell you if there are any errors in there, like, any mistakes. 0.99

00:30:00.320 And I'm like, yeah, you know, what we do professionally, as you should know, is we go to these people

00:30:07.180 and we ask them for comment. 0.99

00:30:08.620 Like, we're fucking journalists. 0.99

00:30:10.480 We know how to do this stuff. 0.99

00:30:11.700 What we don't do is gift wrap a story and give it to the subject of said story that,

00:30:17.540 by the way, has a bunch of terrified people feeling, you know, emboldened enough to, like,

00:30:22.540 tell their stories, but don't use my name, you know, keep the identifying details a secret

00:30:26.560 and hand it to Scott effing Rudin, okay? 1.00

00:30:29.420 Fuck you. 1.00

00:30:30.740 Okay, now, speaking of other wealthy, powerful, famous Hollywood men who have all these deep 1.00

00:30:38.440 reservoirs of rage, Sean Penn never change.

00:30:43.840 Again, these guys, they never change.

00:30:45.460 He's going viral and he's making a lot of headlines for this podcast interview he just did with

00:30:51.280 Louis Theroux.

00:30:52.100 Is it Louis or Louis?

00:30:53.060 I don't know.

00:30:53.540 I don't really care.

00:30:54.480 And he's related, by the way, to the insufferable Justin Theroux of the shoe polish

00:30:59.980 black hair.

00:31:01.300 And, like, when he used to be with Jennifer Aniston, I don't think they were ever legally

00:31:04.800 married, which I think was very shrewd on her part.

00:31:06.940 But, like, he would always be photographed, like, with Jen Aniston.

00:31:10.940 And, like, back when they were palling around with Howard Stern.

00:31:13.420 And, like, you know, they'd be in, like, Cabo in Mexico, like, sunning themselves.

00:31:18.020 And Justin was just, he's too cool.

00:31:21.820 He's the opposite of cool.

00:31:23.800 But, like, he thinks he's so cool.

00:31:25.060 He's too cool for, like, a bathing suit, like bathing trunks.

00:31:28.040 So he would always be sunning his hairless body.

00:31:30.680 You know, he's waxed head to toe with, like, black denim cutoff shorts that were skin tight

00:31:37.100 and belted, okay?

00:31:38.060 Like, died a million deaths, okay?

00:31:40.340 So anyway, the headlines that Sean Penn is making, again, like, I think the media is picking

00:31:46.300 up the wrong headline.

00:31:47.720 It's the wrong offense.

00:31:49.300 They're like, Sean Penn dared to say he would work with Woody Allen again in a heartbeat.

00:31:53.820 I mean, who cares?

00:31:54.720 This scandal is really old, okay? 0.99

00:31:56.940 Who gives a shit, okay? 0.99

00:31:58.980 What's really offensive here is the way he talks about Madonna, his first wife, who, you 0.99

00:32:05.220 know, finally left him.

00:32:06.580 We're going to revisit this, okay? 0.99

00:32:07.880 We're digging in the crates for the real shit for assaulting her not once, allegedly, but 0.99

00:32:16.860 twice, okay? 0.99

00:32:18.220 Now, let's, now, Madonna has never, ever talked shit about Sean Penn. 0.93

00:32:22.720 In fact, way, way, way later, like, in 2015, she would say, he never laid a hand on me. 0.87

00:32:28.920 I don't buy it, okay?

00:32:30.480 I don't buy it.

00:32:32.420 But she has only ever spoken of him glowingly.

00:32:35.580 Okay, take a look at how Sean talks to this Thoreau guy about Madonna.

00:32:40.600 And then they ask her, like, who's the love of your life?

00:32:44.600 Do you remember that?

00:32:46.320 Yeah, you know, I remember, yeah, I remember that.

00:32:48.720 Do you remember what she said?

00:32:49.620 I do.

00:32:50.060 I remember what she said.

00:32:51.220 She's very sweet.

00:32:52.220 Look, she's been a, she's been a good friend for a lot of years.

00:32:56.160 It didn't, it didn't take us long to realize that we'd mistaken a good first date for a

00:33:03.140 wedding partner, and it didn't take us long to recover after we got divorced.

00:33:09.640 Okay, so that's Sean on Madonna, that, that, that the whole marriage was an epic mistake.

00:33:14.680 And, you know, they mistook what was a great first date.

00:33:18.200 He's basically saying great sex for, like, you know, a real connection. 1.00

00:33:21.260 Fuck you. 1.00

00:33:22.300 Okay, here's Madonna, a very young, beautiful Madonna. 1.00

00:33:26.460 At this point in my life, I could say that he is, was the great love of my life.

00:33:31.900 I mean, that's why I married him.

00:33:33.780 And I think most people have that one person, you know.

00:33:38.300 Okay, so I went and pulled up for you guys this Daily Beast piece that was published.

00:33:47.020 I'm trying to think, I'll find it.

00:33:49.240 But it's about Sean Penn's, what they call the Daily Beast, horrifying history of alleged

00:33:54.560 abuse.

00:33:55.220 Now, here's the, here's the, here's the good stuff, which is, I mean, like, the really

00:34:00.680 terrible stuff that Sean Penn has skated on forever, you know.

00:34:05.820 A quote, Penn was extremely violent toward his ex-wife, Madonna, when the two were married

00:34:10.900 in the 1980s.

00:34:12.180 Once in June 1987, he allegedly caused the pop superstar to be hospitalized after hitting

00:34:20.420 her across the head with a baseball bat. 1.00

00:34:23.660 Okay, it doesn't say whether the bat was wooden or metal, which I think is a salient detail.

00:34:30.120 But Madonna remained protective of her husband and refused to press charges since Penn was

00:34:34.560 already facing 60 days in jail for assaulting a film extra.

00:34:38.960 Again, these guys go after women and they go after guys with no power. 0.99

00:34:43.360 Okay, a film extra? 1.00

00:34:45.220 Sean, pick on someone your own fucking size. 0.99

00:34:46.860 Okay, then things got even uglier on December 28th, 1989. 1.00

00:34:52.320 That's two years later.

00:34:54.260 Okay, right after Christmas.

00:34:56.320 According to a police report filed by Madonna, Penn scaled their Malibu home that afternoon,

00:35:03.320 found Madonna alone in her bedroom, and told her that he owned her, quote, lock, stock, and

00:35:09.380 barrel, according to reports, quote, when she told him she was leaving the house, he tried

00:35:14.700 to bind her hands with an electric lamp and cord. 0.79

00:35:17.380 I remember reading this at the time.

00:35:18.760 I remember these details about the electric lamp and the cord, okay?

00:35:23.740 Continuing on.

00:35:24.840 Screaming and afraid, Madonna fled from the bedroom. 1.00

00:35:28.220 What followed was a nine-hour ordeal which left her deeply shaken.

00:35:33.660 This nine-hour ordeal, Penn, I'm continuing to read from this report, chased her into the

00:35:39.820 living room, caught her.

00:35:41.840 Okay, so she's running for the door. 0.95

00:35:44.380 Caught her.

00:35:45.020 Like, he grabbed her.

00:35:45.960 He probably threw her to the floor.

00:35:47.140 Just my supposition.

00:35:48.780 Bound her to a chair with heavy twine.

00:35:51.860 Then he threatened to cut off her hair.

00:35:53.760 Okay, he's going to assault her beauty.

00:35:56.080 That's her power, okay?

00:35:58.540 Continuing.

00:35:59.020 He allegedly, quote, smacked and roughed up Madonna while she was tied to a chair, and

00:36:04.680 then he left for a few hours to buy more booze, leaving his then-wife bound and gagged. 1.00

00:36:12.160 Imagine, this is one of the most powerful pop stars, media stars on the planet, and this

00:36:18.080 is, believe me, trust.

00:36:19.280 It's the source of his rage.

00:36:21.460 So a few hours elapse.

00:36:23.680 She's tied up for hours, gagged, okay? 0.90

00:36:27.140 So she's probably having trouble breathing.

00:36:29.060 She's panicked.

00:36:30.020 No food.

00:36:30.820 No water.

00:36:31.580 When is he coming back?

00:36:32.600 Is he coming back? 1.00

00:36:33.280 Is he going to come back and kill her? 1.00

00:36:34.560 Okay. 0.99

00:36:35.340 Continuing to read, only to return and continue terrorizing her. 0.99

00:36:39.640 He only agreed to untie her after, quote, she agreed to perform a degrading sex act on 1.00

00:36:45.560 him. 0.92

00:36:47.620 And then she fled the house, got in her car, and raced to the sheriff's office, eventually 0.96

00:36:52.720 stumbling inside.

00:36:53.620 I hardly recognized her as Madonna, Lieutenant Bill McSweeney said at the time.

00:37:00.480 She was weeping, her lip was bleeding, and she had obviously been struck.

00:37:06.400 Penn was charged with felony domestic assault, but Madonna told the DA to drop the charges against

00:37:12.460 him, as so many battered women do. 0.97

00:37:15.940 And in 2015, she denied that that whole thing ever happened.

00:37:19.380 But, you know, I'm sorry. 0.99

00:37:20.580 You can't erase that shit. 1.00

00:37:21.840 You can't. 1.00

00:37:22.300 Okay, so now, and again, what kind of interviewer is Louis Theroux?

00:37:26.480 He's not. 0.99

00:37:27.000 He's a star fucker, okay? 0.99

00:37:28.500 Because you contradict that stuff with some real facts, like I just gave you guys. 0.99

00:37:33.200 Here's Sean talking about his history of assaulting the paparazzi.

00:37:39.620 Take the, like with the paparazzi, for example.

00:37:42.180 You know, if you take the camera out of their hand, and you just close your eyes, and you

00:37:46.160 just think of, pick a person that you can imagine that you don't want in your life, and they

00:37:53.000 follow you everywhere, and they're looking through your windows at your house all day,

00:37:57.280 every day.

00:37:58.540 And the police won't do anything about it.

00:38:00.860 They can't do anything about it, because they're on public property, and God forbid you're

00:38:04.620 on public property.

00:38:05.460 What do you do? 0.99

00:38:09.200 Well, I mean, at some point, I might kill him. 0.98

00:38:12.920 I'll do anything to stop it. 0.97

00:38:15.640 I have several thoughts, okay?

00:38:17.380 So first of all, I think the police, and I'm assuming this is LAPD, because Sean lives in

00:38:22.260 L.A.

00:38:22.820 Uh, know Sean Penn a little bit too well, and I don't think they're too kindly disposed

00:38:28.220 to go help him out for anything, okay?

00:38:31.120 Uh, this is a guy who shot at the helicopters who were hovering over the outdoor wedding

00:38:38.040 that Sean and Madonna were having on a huge Malibu estate.

00:38:43.500 Like, pick something.

00:38:45.400 If you don't want the paparazzi there, and you're marrying the most famous woman on the 1.00

00:38:48.800 planet, which she was then, maybe don't do it outside, you fucking asshole. 1.00

00:38:53.380 But, you know, poor Sean. 1.00

00:38:55.620 You know, maybe don't become such a star fucker, or, you know, such a celebrity that you then 0.99

00:39:02.700 say, well, the paparazzi follow me around all the time. 0.99

00:39:04.940 Do you know who one of the most famous actresses on the planet is? 1.00

00:39:07.760 Julia Roberts.

00:39:08.780 Meryl Streep, same.

00:39:10.180 These women know how to disappear when they want to, okay? 1.00

00:39:12.920 They know how to get around without hordes of paparazzi following them around.

00:39:17.420 Sean Penn loves to bang on about how smart he is, and, you know, how, like, DC

00:39:22.800 and, like, presidents should really be deploying him to solve major international crises and

00:39:28.360 national crises.

00:39:29.080 Like, remember, New Orleans, he went down there.

00:39:31.720 Haiti, he went over there.

00:39:33.160 Then he went and met with El Chapo, you know, like, the Mexican drug lord that, like, had

00:39:38.260 even, like, you know, America's counterterrorism people, frankly, terrified of.

00:39:44.300 You know, Sean Penn loves to insert himself because he's trying to prove he's smart, right?

00:39:47.260 Like, he likes to go on Bill Maher and talk about he's friends with Bill Maher because,

00:39:50.460 like, you know, he's smart.

00:39:51.540 I mean, I think if you're really smart, you can figure something so elemental as not getting

00:39:55.980 shot by the paparazzi out.

00:39:57.600 But what do I know?

00:39:58.460 Okay.

00:39:59.480 Now, two other weird celebrity stories that came out this week that, again, I think we

00:40:05.320 need to discuss.

00:40:06.840 Bruce Willis is like another, he's like a peer of Sean's just in terms of fame, the era in

00:40:13.160 which they were real movie stars.

00:40:14.860 Now, as we discussed last week, Bruce Willis has aphasia, okay?

00:40:19.460 It's a form of dementia.

00:40:21.340 It's, obviously, it's terrible.

00:40:26.140 He has this much younger wife named Emma.

00:40:28.900 And she's kind of the second wife or third wife that a Hollywood guy gets, you know, as 0.97

00:40:33.060 they age.

00:40:33.840 Like, the wives get younger, but they get less attractive. 1.00

00:40:37.600 Like, she's not, like, as attractive as Demi Moore.

00:40:39.320 So, anyway, she has a new memoir coming out, and it's all about her journey, her journey

00:40:44.980 taking care of her older husband.

00:40:47.880 Like, she thought she was in it with, like, a really rich, famous Hollywood celebrity,

00:40:51.540 but, you know, he gets aphasia.

00:40:52.980 So, she's got to, like, what is she going to do with herself?

00:40:55.080 She likes to pop up on the Today Show often, you know, from time to time, I'll say.

00:40:58.740 And, you know, give us updates on her husband's declining condition and how, most importantly,

00:41:03.500 she's coping with it.

00:41:04.560 So, take a look at this.

00:41:05.440 And it's important for care partners to look after themselves so that they can be the best

00:41:10.620 care partner for the person that they're caring for.

00:41:13.940 When I think about your family, I see, like, beautiful children and your husband.

00:41:19.120 Are you still, are there ways that you celebrate joy in your family, and how do you do that?

00:41:24.820 I mean, we celebrate, there's so many beautiful things happening in our lives.

00:41:28.340 Because it's just really important for me to look up from the grief and the sadness so

00:41:35.920 that I can see what is happening around us.

00:41:39.520 And, you know, Bruce would really want us to be in the joy of what is. 0.96

00:41:45.660 Do you want to talk garbage language? 0.98

00:41:47.520 Okay. 1.00

00:41:48.040 First of all, Hoda's a fucking moron. 1.00

00:41:50.180 Okay. 1.00

00:41:50.680 My mother has dementia, and I can tell you there is zero joy in this journey.

00:41:54.620 Okay. 1.00

00:41:55.040 This journey sucks. 0.99

00:41:57.400 And I, frankly, hope and wish for something else to take her out more quickly because 0.99

00:42:04.020 this is agonizing for her.

00:42:05.540 Okay.

00:42:05.800 And I don't think about myself in this scenario.

00:42:07.640 Okay.

00:42:07.800 I think about her.

00:42:08.820 So, Hoda, can you find ways to celebrate joy in this journey? 1.00

00:42:12.620 And as discussed last week, too, she's a total bitch, according to my friend. 1.00

00:42:15.620 And then Emma's sitting there, and she's talking about the joy of what is. 1.00

00:42:19.560 What kind of garbage language is that? 0.75

00:42:21.840 You know, I'm sure she's talking to Mel Robbins all the time. 0.80

00:42:24.620 So, anyway, her book is coming out in September.

00:42:26.580 It's called, of course it's called this, An Unexpected Journey.

00:42:29.720 An Unexpected Journey.

00:42:31.540 How trite.

00:42:32.920 Now, there are reports of a huge family rift that are coming to the surface.

00:42:37.700 And this is huge because this means it has, in my opinion, the stamp of approval of Demi

00:42:42.360 Moore, who is having a renaissance right now.

00:42:44.540 And everybody loves Demi.

00:42:45.920 Okay.

00:42:46.940 So, apparently, Demi and the three daughters that she shares with Bruce are not happy about

00:42:53.500 this book.

00:42:54.000 And this is big because this goes all against Brand Willis, you know, slash Moore, which

00:43:00.540 is all about showing this big, blended, happy family.

00:43:03.480 You know, that the two kids that Bruce has with Emma, like, they're all a big, happy family.

00:43:07.940 And now it's not true.

00:43:08.740 And we all can see it.

00:43:09.660 These are the quotes coming out of Camp Demi Moore and Demi's kids.

00:43:14.320 Quote, nobody's feeling good about it, meaning Emma's book.

00:43:16.520 Look, people understand that Emma's grief and that her experience might be able to help

00:43:21.040 others in similar situations. 0.99

00:43:22.840 That's being generous if the joy of what is is the most this moron has to offer us. 0.99

00:43:27.660 Okay. 1.00

00:43:28.740 Continuing on.

00:43:30.320 But using Bruce's name to sell a book while he's still battling aphasia and dementia at

00:43:35.560 home with the family.

00:43:36.720 I could not agree more.

00:43:38.020 I could not agree more.

00:43:39.220 Your dignity, I think, aside from your health, is your most prized possession.

00:43:42.540 You can't put a price on it.

00:43:44.180 And this woman's out there just throwing Bruce's remaining dignities on the pyre so 1.00

00:43:50.540 she can get some media hits on, like, today and fucking access Hollywood. 1.00

00:43:54.640 And maybe you buy her book in bulk so she can hit the New York Times bestseller list. 1.00

00:43:59.360 Like, fuck off. 1.00

00:44:00.640 Okay. 1.00

00:44:00.960 Final celebrity overshare of today.

00:44:03.020 And this one is, I've never heard a celebrity overshare like this.

00:44:06.000 And I am going to include in this the Riley Keough disclosure in completing her mother,

00:44:13.380 Lisa Marie Presley's memoir.

00:44:16.060 So, Lisa Marie, daughter of Elvis Presley, that after her brother died, Riley's brother,

00:44:23.440 Lisa's son, Ben, died of a shotgun wound to the head, a suicide.

00:44:28.680 Lisa Marie had his body, you know, waxed up.

00:44:35.560 I forget what they call it.

00:44:36.400 Embalmed.

00:44:36.980 Had his embalmed body transported back to her casita where he stayed for a month and

00:44:44.460 where she would go visit him every day.

00:44:45.980 Okay.

00:44:46.580 This one tops that, I think.

00:44:48.480 Okay.

00:44:49.120 Ashley Judd is out promoting this two-part documentary on the family, the Judds, the

00:44:56.240 mother, Naomi, and Ashley, who was the actress, and then Wynonna, who was part of the Judds

00:45:01.140 with Naomi.

00:45:02.320 So, they have this documentary.

00:45:04.280 And as we know, Naomi battled mental illness for much of her life, and she eventually took

00:45:09.040 her own life.

00:45:10.900 And, you know, we've all been made very familiar through interviews and memoirs and what have

00:45:16.900 you.

00:45:17.660 And frankly, tabloid reports.

00:45:19.500 I mean, I read them all the time.

00:45:21.440 You know, arrests, drug and alcohol addictions, morbid obesity, mental illness, childhood

00:45:26.120 sexual trauma.

00:45:27.380 You know, you name it.

00:45:28.140 They've suffered it.

00:45:28.880 Okay.

00:45:29.540 And you would think that would be enough for us to know about.

00:45:32.720 Okay.

00:45:32.840 That's actually more than I would care to know about, like, your family issues.

00:45:37.520 Okay.

00:45:38.020 But no, there's more.

00:45:40.220 There is more.

00:45:41.100 And, you know, Ashley, I think, is enjoying another round in the spotlight because she's 0.83

00:45:47.400 not really booking much work.

00:45:50.660 So, we need some media hits and we need some pages in Us Weekly.

00:45:54.740 And I brought this for you because when I read it on the train, I was like, I got to

00:46:00.240 talk to you guys about it.

00:46:02.020 In this documentary, she talks about the day her mother died.

00:46:05.320 Okay.

00:46:05.600 The day her mother took her life.

00:46:07.340 And she says she went over to the house.

00:46:09.460 Naomi begged her to come over. 0.74

00:46:10.920 And she was talking about how she didn't want to be on the planet anymore.

00:46:14.160 And Ashley thought she had talked her down and then left the house, came back later and

00:46:19.940 found her mother.

00:46:21.140 I believe it was in her own bedroom.

00:46:25.120 Now, Naomi Judd took her own life with a shotgun blast to the head. 1.00

00:46:30.280 Again, this is very unusual for women to kill themselves this way. 0.99

00:46:32.620 It's a very violent way to go.

00:46:34.840 And, you know, Ashley, again, I was mystified by this, but I thought, you know, maybe it's

00:46:40.900 cathartic.

00:46:41.460 I don't know.

00:46:41.820 These people live in a very weird world where, like, if you don't do it on camera, does it

00:46:45.380 even matter?

00:46:46.120 So, she sat down with Diane Sawyer in 2002 and talked about finding her mother and the

00:46:52.920 effect that it had on her.

00:46:54.260 And I thought, okay, well, you know, there were no details and maybe this is it.

00:46:57.940 And, like, she's gotten it out.

00:46:59.980 And this is her version of a catharsis and we'll never revisit this again.

00:47:02.920 I was wrong.

00:47:03.720 Okay.

00:47:04.340 Anytime I let my cynicism down vis-a-vis celebrities, I am 99% of the time proven wrong.

00:47:10.980 So, now Ashley is telling us that she called 911 after she found her mother bleeding from 0.70

00:47:19.460 the self-inflicted, forgive me, gunshot wound.

00:47:24.320 And she says, I'm reading from the Us Weekly story.

00:47:27.280 Okay, quote, well, the story says, after 911 was called, Ashley held her mom for a half

00:47:33.780 an hour.

00:47:35.360 Her mother was still alive for half an hour.

00:47:37.960 Telling her, it's okay.

00:47:41.700 It's okay.

00:47:42.400 I've seen how much you've been suffering.

00:47:45.060 And then when Naomi died, so this really is what this is sounding like, right?

00:47:50.460 That Naomi blew half of her head off, but was still alive. 1.00

00:47:57.320 And you can only imagine this scene, this vignette.

00:47:59.600 And, you know, it's like everything.

00:48:00.720 Once you know it, you can't unknow it.

00:48:02.380 Like, why do I need to know this stuff?

00:48:04.080 Why do we need to know this stuff?

00:48:05.920 You know, I have to say, with Ashley Judd and with Emma Willis, like, I feel like this

00:48:10.580 is very sick stuff.

00:48:11.740 This is really sick. 0.95

00:48:13.080 Like, you are stripping, you are taking, you are stealing the remaining bit of dignity, 0.86

00:48:20.280 like, that Bruce Willis has, that her dead mother has.

00:48:24.840 Like, you're stealing their dignity.

00:48:26.360 And why are you doing it?

00:48:28.060 You know, and I was thinking about this before, like, coming to talk to you guys about this

00:48:32.000 today.

00:48:32.320 And it's like, it's all of a piece with what we've been discussing with Michelle Obama

00:48:36.620 and Meghan Markle and Elaria Baldwin, Elaria Baldwin.

00:48:40.320 Like, it seems like there's a lot of rage towards the true talents in the family, like the real

00:48:47.800 stars, the real legends, you know?

00:48:50.300 And this is all just, you know, they think that they're maybe winning in the moment and

00:48:55.940 it's giving them a dopamine hit, but in the long run, these people, these women, it's 0.92

00:49:04.160 all women doing this, you know? 1.00

00:49:06.300 They're really just debasing themselves.

00:49:08.040 They're really debasing themselves, you know?

00:49:10.160 So Ashley and Emma, to you, I would say all of this media attention, it's not the win that

00:49:15.000 you think it is, okay?

00:49:17.620 Next up, we're going to lighten things up.

00:49:19.640 Okay, we've got some more Kennedy family drama, a little story from me about Ryan Murphy,

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00:51:18.920 So, Ryan Murphy made headlines this week with the announcement that he cast Naomi Watts as

00:51:26.960 Jackie Kennedy in his forthcoming miniseries, American Love Story, about the romance and marriage

00:51:34.400 between JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bissette.

00:51:37.980 Now, I have several thoughts on this.

00:51:40.900 Nothing against Naomi Watts. 1.00

00:51:42.460 I think she's a great actress.

00:51:43.800 I think she's super stylish. 0.98

00:51:45.180 I love how she's aging and not shooting her face up with Botox and getting, like, multiple 0.79

00:51:49.620 facelifts like every other actress on the planet.

00:51:52.060 But I have to say, I don't think this is a good casting move.

00:51:55.620 I don't see in any way the resemblance.

00:52:00.080 And, you know, I'm surprised because Naomi Watts kind of made a misstep in playing Princess 1.00

00:52:05.040 Diana, and, like, she got really bad reviews for it.

00:52:08.100 And she's a great actress, so you know it's bad when, like, she can't pull that off.

00:52:11.300 I don't even think they ever put that movie in theaters.

00:52:14.040 I think it went direct to streaming.

00:52:15.400 Um, so, you know, I don't like it, but, you know, this is Ryan Murphy, and he has his pets,

00:52:20.880 and I think Naomi is now one of his pets, and he likes to cast them over and over, whether

00:52:26.160 they're right for a part or not, and it's how we all got stuck with Sarah Paulson, okay?

00:52:30.660 So, think about it, okay?

00:52:33.120 And also, the actress playing Carolyn Bissette Kennedy looks nothing like her either, okay?

00:52:38.120 And Carolyn Bissette Kennedy was a very distinctive-looking woman, very distinctive, you know?

00:52:43.840 And as for JFK Jr., the casting, it doesn't really matter, because JFK Jr. is, as someone

00:52:48.780 who wrote the book, Ask Not, the Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed, he is the least interesting,

00:52:54.080 frankly, of the three, okay?

00:52:56.180 Jackie and Carolyn, far more interesting.

00:52:59.040 Now, I want to tell you my little story about Ryan Murphy.

00:53:02.720 So, last summer, after Ask Not came out, we got a call, meaning, like, my agent and I

00:53:09.260 got a call.

00:53:10.220 We got offers from multiple people who are interested in buying the rights to the book

00:53:16.140 and optioning it so they could turn it into a series or a docu-series, whatever, and one

00:53:20.920 of them was Ryan Murphy.

00:53:22.420 And they put me on a Zoom with not Ryan, who, for undisclosed reasons, you know, was so dying

00:53:29.980 to talk to me, but just couldn't.

00:53:31.200 This is the kind of hyperbole that you get when you're dealing with, like, Hollywood people.

00:53:35.700 Not all, but many.

00:53:37.440 It's like, they'll come to you, they come at you fast and hard.

00:53:40.760 They're like, you're like, buy me dinner first. 0.99

00:53:42.840 They're like, you're the greatest fucking thing since, like, air conditioning was invented, 0.99

00:53:47.180 okay? 1.00

00:53:47.460 I got to get, I got to get in bed with you, okay?

00:53:49.540 We got to make this happen. 0.99

00:53:51.060 I haven't, I haven't seen genius like this since fucking Albert Einstein, okay? 0.97

00:53:54.860 Like, your book, I couldn't put your book down. 0.96

00:53:56.980 Then you later find out, they never read the book.

00:53:58.840 They never do, you know?

00:54:00.160 And so I was put on a Zoom with his number two, who frankly did seem a little terrified

00:54:05.700 of Ryan, who was, like, off on a yacht somewhere.

00:54:07.880 And, you know, we really want to do this, it's really perfect for us, blah, blah, blah,

00:54:10.640 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:11.800 You know, you sit there and you're like, I kind of got the verbal gangbang, you know?

00:54:15.640 And then we got off the phone, I got off the Zoom with him, and then, like, right away,

00:54:22.400 their offer on paper landed in my inbox, which was surprising because it usually doesn't

00:54:27.900 happen that immediately.

00:54:29.460 And that was, again, like, coming on fast and strong and being like, we're really serious.

00:54:34.380 Like, we want this property, and we've already gone to our overlords at Disney and, like,

00:54:40.360 gotten the money and gotten this deal done.

00:54:41.960 Now, what happens is you take that, and it's par for the course that that is the opening salvo.

00:54:50.400 Like, you're entering into a good faith negotiation.

00:54:52.800 And we had other interested parties.

00:54:56.440 And so as we do, we said, okay, we would like to counter for the following things and the

00:55:03.940 following amount of money.

00:55:05.500 And, again, I didn't hear anything for, like, a couple of weeks.

00:55:11.620 And my agent called and was like, I felt like maybe not really wanting to share this news

00:55:16.880 because it's not great, but it wasn't her fault.

00:55:18.240 Well, she goes, yeah, Ryan's dropped out.

00:55:21.140 He's not interested anymore.

00:55:22.760 And I said, what?

00:55:23.640 Like, this never happens.

00:55:24.760 Okay, this is considered extremely poor form.

00:55:27.100 This never happens.

00:55:28.260 I said, what do you mean he just dropped out?

00:55:30.040 And she said, he just dropped out.

00:55:31.960 Like, he won't play ball.

00:55:33.760 He won't respond.

00:55:34.540 And I've asked around because, like, I've never heard of this happening either. 0.99

00:55:38.520 And I said, do you think he just couldn't believe we had the gall, like, the fucking 0.96

00:55:42.880 temerity to be like, nice opening bid. 0.98

00:55:45.200 Like, we'd like to counter.

00:55:46.200 And she said, yeah. 1.00

00:55:46.820 And I was like, well, fuck that guy, you know, because, like, I don't want to be in 0.99

00:55:50.100 business with somebody like that, you know, who, by the way, not every Ryan Murphy production 1.00

00:55:54.900 is a masterpiece, okay?

00:55:57.100 Not every Ryan Murphy production is, like, the O.J. Simpson trial, you know, whatever it

00:56:02.820 was called.

00:56:03.660 Made in America was the doc.

00:56:04.780 It's far superior.

00:56:05.980 But, you know, I was like, wow.

00:56:08.980 And then my second question was, I literally said to my agent, like, what do you hear?

00:56:13.100 Like, what kind of drugs is he on?

00:56:14.260 Because this feels like drug addict behavior to me.

00:56:16.620 Not saying he is.

00:56:17.580 I'm just saying it feels very schizophrenic.

00:56:20.020 So, and then I was talking to another friend of mine who also happens to write books.

00:56:23.540 And she told me that the same thing happened to her, you know, but she did wind up, like,

00:56:29.080 letting Ryan Murphy option her book.

00:56:30.800 And he sat on it for years and was constantly promising every year, oh, your book's top of

00:56:36.960 my list.

00:56:37.460 That's the next one.

00:56:38.740 And then it never was.

00:56:40.220 And, like, he sat on it so long that it lost all momentum and nobody cares about it anymore.

00:56:44.300 And so, you know, I think I really dodged a bullet.

00:56:46.520 But that's just a little bit of, like, how that kind of scene works.

00:56:50.160 And it's not, it's not nearly as exciting as you think it is.

00:56:53.600 Like, literally, anytime someone's like, oh, someone from, you know, you're just like,

00:56:57.680 do I have to?

00:56:58.900 Like, they can just email it to me.

00:57:00.720 Anyway, okay, now we are getting to mail, okay, from you guys.

00:57:09.440 Listener mail.

00:57:10.340 I am so excited to do this, okay, because I think we're, I think we're having a bit of

00:57:14.500 a mind melt.

00:57:15.260 Okay, this is an email from someone who just signs off.

00:57:18.440 As Kevin, hi, Maureen.

00:57:20.400 I have been loving the show so far.

00:57:21.840 Thank you, Kevin.

00:57:23.500 I definitely think your brother, Bill from Brooklyn, should be on as much as you want to have

00:57:28.900 him on the show.

00:57:29.560 He reminds me of myself.

00:57:32.640 Bill is also developing a contingent of female fans who, you know, express disappointment

00:57:37.740 that he is very happily married.

00:57:39.400 So, you know, but enjoy him.

00:57:41.480 Okay, on the show, that is.

00:57:43.140 I also think that you should have the tearing apart of the advice columnist as a regular segment.

00:57:48.880 And I agree.

00:57:49.900 I think it's really funny.

00:57:50.840 Now, also, as a 49-year-old man, Kevin says, I wanted to say I appreciate the mean girl segment.

00:57:56.620 Kevin goes on to say he's part of a group of people on Facebook.

00:58:01.340 It's a movie discussion group.

00:58:02.640 But anytime he offers any opinion that is lightly politically conservative, he gets a lot of

00:58:10.440 mean, nasty pushback.

00:58:12.780 Okay?

00:58:13.060 And it's cruel.

00:58:14.140 He uses the word cruel.

00:58:15.980 It hurts.

00:58:16.500 He's a 49-year-old man, and this hurts him.

00:58:18.640 So, Kevin says, the mean girls thing can happen regardless of age and gender, unfortunately. 0.97

00:58:25.280 And so, anyway, please keep exposing those people.

00:58:28.540 You got it, Kevin.

00:58:29.380 That's what we're here for, doing it all day long.

00:58:32.680 Okay.

00:58:33.400 Now, this is another email about mean girl stuff, and this letter is signed merely a viewer

00:58:40.400 from Sweden, and, like, it's kind of mind-blowing.

00:58:42.600 People are watching us in other countries, and I'm totally humbled by this.

00:58:46.060 Okay.

00:58:46.600 So, in regard to mean girls and Meghan Markle, one and the same, my opinion, she writes that

00:58:54.640 there are so many similar behaviors between what's being reported about Prince Harry's

00:58:58.920 wife, I love that. 1.00

00:58:59.940 We should just call her Prince Harry's wife from now on, and adult mean girls in the office. 1.00

00:59:03.760 I've been subjected to, personally, being singled out and targeted by such a person in the workplace,

00:59:09.520 finding yourself suddenly the one, an adult mean girl has her sights on in the office, can

00:59:13.700 really do a number on you.

00:59:14.720 And, viewer from Sweden, as you signed off, I can relate.

00:59:19.440 And let me tell you that when I was starting out at the New York Post, I will not make sense

00:59:24.640 I will not name this person, and it's a kindness that, frankly, she doesn't deserve.

00:59:29.280 But I wound up working for this woman who, you know, hired me, and I was warned by more

00:59:35.800 than one person to not do it.

00:59:38.160 Don't do it.

00:59:38.880 Don't go work for this person.

00:59:40.000 And I did.

00:59:40.560 And when I tell you that I was tormented within an inch of my life, I would be made to work,

00:59:45.700 like, till two or three in the morning, multiple nights in a row.

00:59:49.960 I would be berated.

00:59:51.220 I would be yelled at.

00:59:52.180 I would find myself, like, just, like, in tears in her office.

00:59:58.080 Like, I'm not a crier.

00:59:59.380 I'm not, I'm not, like, that, like, I have a pretty tough shell.

01:00:03.280 Like, I can take a lot.

01:00:04.200 But the humiliation and the bullying and the gaslighting, you know, and it was so bad that,

01:00:12.020 like, these experienced, these older men who were very experienced newsroom veterans would

01:00:17.380 make it a point to walk by her office whenever I was in there, it was glass walls, and poke 0.95

01:00:22.060 their heads in and be like, is everything okay in here?

01:00:24.280 Everything okay in here? 0.95

01:00:26.000 I later outsmarted her and outed her as the bully she was. 1.00

01:00:30.640 And she eventually got ding, ding, ding, down, down, down the totem pole until they forced 0.95

01:00:35.940 her out and gave her a going-away party that was doubled as a real humiliation for her. 1.00

01:00:42.360 On her way out the door, she asked me to have a private meeting.

01:00:44.840 I almost had a trauma response to it.

01:00:46.820 But I went, because I knew it was going to happen, and, like, all bullies.

01:00:49.060 She was just doing a little housekeeping on the way out the door, like, you know, making 0.99

01:00:51.780 sure that, like, I wouldn't talk shit about her. 0.97

01:00:54.060 You know, I regret certain things that I did, all this kind of passive language. 0.98

01:00:56.820 I just let her get away with it. 1.00

01:00:57.840 I was like, you know what?

01:00:58.900 It's going to come back to her someday.

01:01:00.240 If she's listening and watching, you consider this right now.

01:01:03.000 Like, I knew exactly what you were doing and why you were doing with it.

01:01:06.300 And I don't forgive, you know?

01:01:08.620 I don't carry a grudge.

01:01:09.780 I don't carry this with me daily. 1.00

01:01:11.320 But you're a piece of shit, and you knew it. 1.00

01:01:12.780 And by the way, I later found out from one of my best friends who I made while working 1.00

01:01:16.460 there, this is the really creepy part, that she would say to one of my best friends,

01:01:22.640 often, I'm sure, after yet another abuse session, don't you think Maureen is really

01:01:28.660 pretty?

01:01:29.640 Don't you think that?

01:01:30.440 She's really pretty.

01:01:31.540 And I was like, oh, my God.

01:01:33.860 There was, like, probably a psychosexual component to this that I was completely unaware of and 0.99

01:01:39.700 that creeped me out even further because stuff was going on in this woman's sick mind, just 1.00

01:01:44.840 my opinion, you know? 0.98

01:01:46.920 But, you know, you lived, you learned.

01:01:48.820 You know, I probably, that experience did teach me a lot. 1.00

01:01:51.180 As I did say to her, that wasn't a lie, but she's a piece of shit. 1.00

01:01:53.600 Anyway, okay. 1.00

01:01:54.700 From another viewer, listener, Harry's crown jewels.

01:01:59.680 This is Mike.

01:02:00.660 I am not a psychologist, but I did a deep dive into Harry's psyche upon seeing your coverage

01:02:05.480 of him knocking on random doors in London.

01:02:08.460 I love this forthcoming theory.

01:02:10.680 He is seeking his lost manhood, his lost crown jewels. 1.00

01:02:15.380 I wish I can shout to him that his testicles are most likely tucked away like gems in one 0.99

01:02:20.840 of Meghan's handcrafted lavender sachets, sachets, rather, sorry, with a big handwritten H on 0.99

01:02:28.080 her custom-printed stationery.

01:02:30.580 I happen to tour, I think they're at the bottom of a body of water somewhere, but, you know,

01:02:35.200 tomato, tomato.

01:02:35.720 I happen to tour Windsor Castle after they got married and would happily fill in as the

01:02:40.020 spare, being served gin and tonics and finger sandwiches while reading my Kindle.

01:02:43.680 Not a bad life.

01:02:44.920 I agree with you, Mike.

01:02:46.420 Okay.

01:02:47.340 Female friendships.

01:02:49.360 This is from Jill.

01:02:52.100 She says that throughout my life, before I was married especially, I had many strong

01:02:56.480 female friendships.

01:02:57.660 But the fights and fallouts with women always hurt more than any breakup with a man. 0.50

01:03:01.840 Now, I'm left with almost no female friends.

01:03:04.820 Most of the men I dated, I was glad to be rid of.

01:03:07.160 Understand, sympathize completely with you.

01:03:09.820 But with women, it was different. 0.92

01:03:11.900 Now, I agree.

01:03:13.300 She says her theory is that the pattern she noticed was that many of my worst conflicts

01:03:20.060 were with women who didn't have brothers.

01:03:22.680 Having a brother growing up makes a difference.

01:03:24.840 It teaches you how to argue, forgive, and move on.

01:03:27.800 These women often couldn't let go of an issue, which we are seeing right now with Michelle 0.99

01:03:32.680 Obama, who did grow up with a brother.

01:03:34.260 But, you know, we're seeing this in real time.

01:03:36.040 I frankly think her brother is terrified of her.

01:03:38.200 Okay.

01:03:39.960 Now, she says that her first friendship breakup was in the sixth grade.

01:03:45.100 Same Jill.

01:03:46.620 It ended in a humiliating fight.

01:03:48.700 Same Jill.

01:03:49.940 Surrounded by a circle of classmates outside the schoolyard.

01:03:52.300 Mine did not.

01:03:53.020 But like everybody knew about it.

01:03:54.300 That moment left a lasting mark, and I remember it vividly.

01:03:57.540 Same.

01:03:58.100 Okay.

01:03:58.700 Jill goes on to say the following wise, sage words.

01:04:02.460 As we grow older, we should recognize that a true female friend is a gift. 0.60

01:04:08.000 We shouldn't be so quick to cut ties over misunderstandings or emotions that should pass.

01:04:14.240 Friendship later, that should pass rather, excuse me.

01:04:17.020 Friendship later in life is just as important as family.

01:04:20.260 I could not agree with you more.

01:04:21.940 Two more really quick ones.

01:04:24.500 There is one.

01:04:25.440 This might be my favorite subject line of recent days.

01:04:28.660 Sexual attraction to mountains.

01:04:30.660 Okay.

01:04:30.980 A reference to our conversation about our friend who was climbing mountains like a crazy person.

01:04:36.840 So first, again, this person who signed off.

01:04:41.380 I'm sorry.

01:04:42.260 I've lost your last page, but you know who you are.

01:04:45.180 First of all, took the time to acknowledge my greatness as an astronaut.

01:04:49.660 Now, thank you, sir.

01:04:50.680 Now, the JFK Jr. stuff, he is reminding me of a couple of interviews.

01:04:58.260 And, you know, this falls into the Ryan Murphy thing, which, you know, by the way, I'm just

01:05:01.060 going to say to Ryan Murphy, if I see stuff that is proprietary to my book that you tried

01:05:05.700 to option and then decided to option and then decided not to, and it's in your project, there's

01:05:09.660 going to be a problem.

01:05:10.700 Okay?

01:05:12.140 He said that he recalled seeing a 42-year-old man after JFK Jr. crashed that plane, fatally

01:05:20.140 killing, fatally, killing is redundant, the fatal crash that killed him, his wife, and his

01:05:25.900 sister-in-law, a 42-year-old man at Teterboro Airport, New Jersey, was interviewed in a newspaper,

01:05:33.480 said that he had been a licensed pilot since age 15 before he was even licensed to drive

01:05:39.000 a car.

01:05:39.560 He arrived at Teterboro, planning to fly to Nantucket the night he saw JFK Jr., this was

01:05:46.240 the night of the crash, doing a flight check of his plane while hobbling around on crutches,

01:05:50.960 true.

01:05:51.360 So, this 42-year-old pilot with 27 years' experience as a licensed pilot looked at the weather charts

01:06:00.340 and decided not to fly to Nantucket that night, even as he saw JFK Jr. get into his plane and

01:06:08.460 take off.

01:06:09.880 And that guy went home and turned on CNN and, you know, the rest is history.

01:06:14.220 Okay?

01:06:16.000 And, oh, that was Joe from Delaware.

01:06:18.200 That was, thank you, Joe from Delaware.

01:06:19.500 I loved your email.

01:06:21.500 And our final one for today, and I think this is a great email, and I think we should all

01:06:26.960 brainstorm.

01:06:28.980 Hi, Maureen.

01:06:31.400 Another great episode of The Nerve.

01:06:33.020 Thank you.

01:06:33.860 Thanks.

01:06:34.420 Legit following.

01:06:35.480 Growing.

01:06:36.100 Thank you.

01:06:37.120 Thanks to you guys, really.

01:06:38.920 Her question, is there a collective name for viewers of The Nerve?

01:06:42.100 I think this is a great question.

01:06:44.100 Most YouTube channels with a big following give their viewers a collective name so we could

01:06:48.100 call ourselves that.

01:06:49.780 Like, she mentions Heather McDonald, the comedian who's got a Juicy Scoop YouTube channel, and

01:06:55.640 her viewers are called Juicy Scoopers. 1.00

01:06:58.360 So I think this is a great idea.

01:07:01.040 I mean, I kind of thought, like, when I read this email, I thought, well, like, I'm not really

01:07:06.120 great at this stuff.

01:07:06.720 It takes me a long time.

01:07:07.640 So anyway, I'm going to deputize you guys.

01:07:10.340 Like, give me some suggestions.

01:07:11.740 What should we be calling ourselves?

01:07:12.960 Um, and I think that's enough homework, really.

01:07:16.740 I think this was a really packed episode.

01:07:19.380 It's a great Friday episode, right?

01:07:21.740 We covered a lot.

01:07:22.940 We covered the gamut.

01:07:24.580 Um, now, we will see you next Tuesday, but I also want to know that, uh, I want to let

01:07:29.840 you know, rather, that we are constantly hearing and reading your feedback, and we know you guys

01:07:37.140 are loving the mini nerves and the drops on the weekend, and we've got another one for

01:07:41.440 you this weekend, so keep your eyes out for it.

01:07:44.620 I think it's really, it's something we've never done before.

01:07:47.560 It's a way we've come at celebrity and pop culture in a way we've never done before, and

01:07:53.620 we've got this trio.

01:07:55.260 We've got an actress, director, producer.

01:07:58.680 We've got, um, a chef, and we've got an author, and each one is bonkers in its own special

01:08:05.980 way.

01:08:06.280 We will see you back here when we see you at The Nerve, where you'll never guess what

01:08:12.500 we're about to say next.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 16, 2025

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