The Megyn Kelly Show - ＂Second Strike＂ Narrative Falls Apart, Kash Patel Responds, and How To Be a Man, with Rich Lowry, Charles Cooke, Elliot Ackerman, and Bryan Cox ｜ Ep. 1204

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00:01:00.720 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:01:48.520 Quite a turn of events regarding The Washington Post's big story.

00:01:53.680 On Friday, that Secretary of War Pete Hegseth allegedly ordered military leaders to, quote,

00:01:59.140 kill everybody after two people aboard an alleged drug boat survived the initial attack.

00:02:04.720 Okay, this is The Washington Post.

00:02:05.960 It broke on Friday.

00:02:07.440 That was its reporting.

00:02:08.780 It set the country on fire for the past five days with people repeating that story, accusing

00:02:15.720 Pete Hegseth of war crimes, and has dominated print media, digital media, and everything

00:02:22.760 online, everything on cable.

00:02:25.060 The New York Times late last night reporting, citing five U.S. officials that basically the

00:02:31.940 Washington Post story was all wrong.

00:02:33.180 The Secretary Hegseth's initial order did not, in fact, specify what should happen if

00:02:40.520 survivors remained.

00:02:43.500 And as White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt laid out yesterday, the second attack

00:02:47.260 was ordered independently by Admiral Frank Bradley, goes by Mitch, I guess, in order to render

00:02:55.060 the vessel destroyed and complete the mission.

00:02:58.040 We pointed this out in the AM update this morning, and our first guest is going to walk us through

00:03:02.180 it.

00:03:02.360 There is a difference between a mission that is meant to destroy a boat that winds up simply

00:03:08.360 damaging it on the first strike, and one that destroys it on the first strike, but nonetheless

00:03:12.780 has two people floating in the water.

00:03:14.620 If the boat has not been destroyed and it's merely damaged, that's an incomplete mission,

00:03:19.980 whether there are survivors floating or not.

00:03:22.540 The Times also dropping the bombshell that, per one of the officials they interviewed, the

00:03:30.440 U.S. military actually intercepted radio communications from one of the survivors in the water to narco-traffickers.

00:03:40.640 Yet another reason why it might make sense for the mainstream media to just pump the brakes

00:03:46.780 before they climb all over the terms war crimes and start talking about prosecuting people for

00:03:54.300 murder.

00:03:55.700 My first guest today already knows that lesson because he was one of the few online who was

00:04:00.700 saying, hold on, over the past couple of days, that he did not see the evidence of any war crime.

00:04:05.940 And after he read the Washington Post report, even though now we believe it was erroneous,

00:04:11.100 but even as flawed as it was, he said there's reason in here to doubt what they're reporting,

00:04:18.700 even from what they've said.

00:04:20.500 And his name is Dr. Brian L. Cox.

00:04:22.820 He spent 22 years in the U.S. Army.

00:04:24.920 He's now an adjunct professor at Cornell Law School.

00:04:27.900 His work focuses on international criminal law involving armed conflict.

00:04:31.520 Brian has gone viral on X for his analysis on what happened in this strike, taking on

00:04:37.840 the misleading reporting by the Washington Post and what he says are biased takes from

00:04:42.020 anonymous military groups that are now getting re-cited by places like the Washington Post

00:04:48.680 to shore up their initial reporting.

00:04:50.860 These are anonymous people who are saying, you know, here's what the law is.

00:04:54.840 How do we rely on them for anything?

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00:06:00.000 Brian, welcome to the show.

00:06:02.020 Thank you very much.

00:06:02.780 It's really great to join you.

00:06:04.480 Okay, so you teach law, and you have a background in the military.

00:06:09.100 Did you practice law?

00:06:09.960 I did.

00:06:11.700 So, my first 15 years in the military was as a combat soldier, so airborne infantry soldier,

00:06:16.820 and then combat camera, and then as an airborne infantry officer.

00:06:20.000 So, that was 15 years on the line, as we call it, in the military.

00:06:23.960 And then the last three of that 15 years, I was in law school while I was in the National

00:06:28.940 Guard.

00:06:29.680 And then once I graduated, I came back from law school, came back on active duty as a judge

00:06:33.520 advocate.

00:06:33.840 And I spent the last seven years as a military lawyer, so an army judge advocate, including

00:06:39.600 a deployment to Afghanistan, where I advised on international operational law.

00:06:44.840 Okay, so quite a bit.

00:06:45.940 So, you read this Washington Post report that hit on Friday, the headline of which is, hold

00:06:53.780 on.

00:06:57.200 Hexeth order on first Caribbean boat strike. 0.99

00:06:59.860 Officials say, colon, kill them all.

00:07:02.500 The subhead.

00:07:04.000 As two men clung to a stricken, burning ship targeted by SEAL Team 6, the Joint Special

00:07:08.520 Operations Commander followed the Defense Secretary's order to leave no survivors.

00:07:14.560 Now, we have the New York Times weighing in, saying basically that this was wrong, that there

00:07:22.080 was one order by Pete Hexeth.

00:07:24.080 It was before the mission and said, take out these boats. 0.64

00:07:27.620 And there was no issue, order saying, kill them all.

00:07:33.940 But he wanted these boats destroyed.

00:07:35.880 And that there was no subsequent communication between Pete Hexeth and the Admiral, who was

00:07:41.840 on scene making the calls, saying, kill those survivors who were clinging for life to this

00:07:46.800 partially destroyed boat.

00:07:48.140 That is not what happened, according to five sources in the New York Times.

00:07:51.400 We'll see what the Washington Post does.

00:07:54.400 But you, before you even knew about the New York Times reporting, were saying, there are

00:07:59.140 enough holes in that WAPO report to drive a truck through.

00:08:02.400 I do not trust this.

00:08:04.640 And I actually don't think any war crime has been stated.

00:08:07.800 Why?

00:08:08.240 So, there's just so much speculation that's going on.

00:08:12.500 So, we don't know.

00:08:13.300 It was two anonymous sources who were reporting, you know, the quote from Secretary of War Pete

00:08:21.060 Hexeth. 0.64

00:08:21.920 And we don't know for sure.

00:08:23.620 Well, first of all, there are anonymous reports, anonymous sources.

00:08:26.000 So, there's that.

00:08:26.640 But even the quote from the story, it's not clear whether this was a direct quote from,

00:08:33.880 you know, Pete Hexeth saying, kill everybody, the way that it's worded in the Washington

00:08:38.880 Post story, or whether the anonymous sources are basically paraphrasing what Secretary of

00:08:45.600 War told to, you know, whoever the audience was.

00:08:49.040 And so, that was the first element that, you know, that I'm concerned about.

00:08:53.240 And then, even if, let's say, it was directly before the mission and the Secretary of War directs,

00:08:59.880 you know, whatever the commander is involved to kill everybody, that still isn't necessarily

00:09:05.000 in order to take no prisoners, right?

00:09:08.320 And so, we are trained that if somebody is out of the fight due to sickness, illness, injury,

00:09:13.960 or detention, in this case, shipwreck, that we don't continue the attack.

00:09:19.440 And so, if troops are given an order to kill everybody, you can reasonably interpret that

00:09:27.140 to be, kill all the enemy, you know, so, you know, attack the enemy.

00:09:31.700 But at the same time, if you do end up encountering someone who is out of the fight,

00:09:36.220 in this case, due to shipwreck, then you don't attack them.

00:09:39.620 Exactly.

00:09:40.140 So, what the New York Times is reporting today, it hit last night, is that, again, five U.S.

00:09:46.020 officials who spoke separately on the condition of anonymity said, Mr. Hexeth, the head of the

00:09:50.480 September 2nd attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on board the boat and

00:09:55.540 destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs, which would be a standard order.

00:10:01.380 I mean, you don't order these boats destroyed and not expect the people on board are going

00:10:05.640 to die.

00:10:06.140 You just take them out, take out the boat, take out the drug cargo on board.

00:10:10.040 And that was it.

00:10:11.360 Not what the Washington Post reported, which was as these two survivors are clinging there,

00:10:17.500 Pete Hexeth called up and said, take them out.

00:10:20.840 That's what the Washington Post went with.

00:10:22.920 It's what NPR is going with still today, even in the wake of late night's New York Times

00:10:28.180 drop.

00:10:29.540 Yeah, and it's just completely speculative.

00:10:31.660 And, you know, I understand the need to rely on anonymous sources at times when we're

00:10:36.900 reporting, you know, stories, especially when we're dealing with the government.

00:10:40.280 But we still need to assess, we need to engage in a bit of media literacy and say, okay,

00:10:47.420 well, these anonymous sources are saying that Pete Hexeth said this.

00:10:52.200 And there's just so much, you know, ambiguity there, which, you know, ambiguity is fine.

00:10:58.280 We're going to have that in reporting.

00:10:59.580 But then to take that and run with it and essentially accuse the sitting secretary of

00:11:05.260 war of being a war criminal based on, you know, this basically double hearsay that's being

00:11:11.860 reported from anonymous sources is just, you know, it's, it, it doesn't make any rational

00:11:17.580 sense.

00:11:19.060 Well, and on top of everything.

00:11:20.840 So now you tell me, let's deal with what we believe is the reality here.

00:11:23.880 Because WAPO suggested that Hexeth gave a spoken order, a spoken order saying, kill them

00:11:31.020 all, like take, kill everyone who is still in that water.

00:11:34.980 Now we believe that's not true, that the Washington Post had that wrong.

00:11:39.940 But so let's deal with what we believe actually happened.

00:11:42.320 Pete gave the, the okay for the mission, take out the boat, strike it, you know, everybody

00:11:48.120 on board is going to die and take out the cargo.

00:11:51.160 Then they, they dropped their first strike and the boat was, according to the administration,

00:11:59.140 administration's critics, they say it was destroyed.

00:12:03.120 Excuse me, it was destroyed.

00:12:04.720 And you have these two clinging to life and the rules of law prohibit you from striking

00:12:09.300 them.

00:12:09.760 Now let's talk about the Admiral because the Admiral, this guy, Mitch, forgive me, can't

00:12:15.420 find his last name in front of me.

00:12:16.440 Um, he did say, Bradley, let's have a second strike.

00:12:22.400 He is the one who said, let's, we need a second strike.

00:12:24.740 But that too is not a war crime because you point out in your piece, the difference between

00:12:31.540 destroying a boat and damaging a boat.

00:12:35.340 Can you explain that?

00:12:36.120 Right.

00:12:37.000 Absolutely.

00:12:37.440 So assuming that the boat itself originally is a military objective.

00:12:42.020 So by definition, uh, in the law of armed conflict, this is something that's by its nature,

00:12:47.280 location, purpose, or use in this case, purpose makes an effective contribution to military

00:12:52.380 actions such that, you know, capturing it or destroying it, um, gives a definite military

00:12:57.260 advantage, concrete, direct military advantage under the circumstances ruling at the time.

00:13:00.480 So that's the standard.

00:13:01.600 That's what we apply in practice.

00:13:03.300 That's what we're trained on.

00:13:04.140 And so the boats to begin with, assuming that law of armed conflict applies, and there's

00:13:09.180 a lot of discussion about whether it should or shouldn't.

00:13:11.180 And, you know, that's something we can get into.

00:13:13.260 But for purposes of the operators who are involved in this strike, they are applying the law of

00:13:18.760 armed conflict because they're told that they're in an, you know, an armed conflict.

00:13:22.980 So, you know, this boat originally qualifies then as a military objective by definition that

00:13:28.620 I just suggested, and it will no longer be a military objective if it is completely destroyed,

00:13:35.400 right?

00:13:35.660 So if under the circumstances, no longer by its use makes an effective contribution.

00:13:41.980 And even with the facts that the Washington Post reports in that initial story, there's an indication

00:13:49.760 to me, at least when I read this, that, you know, the commander involved must have assessed that it's still

00:13:55.660 qualified, to use the legal term, still qualified as a military objective because he suggested that it could

00:14:01.840 still radio for assistance and another boat could come and capture, you know, retain, regain control of the

00:14:10.720 cargo and then continue mission.

00:14:13.580 I almost said Charlie Mike because that's what we call it in the military.

00:14:15.880 Continue mission.

00:14:16.720 And so if that's the case, then it's my impression from reading that is that the commander must have

00:14:24.080 assessed that this boat still qualifies as a military objective such that it can still be

00:14:29.680 attacked, which would also mean, incidentally, that the personnel that are on board are not shipwrecked

00:14:36.860 because, you know, and if they were shipwrecked, let's call them order combat, so out of the fight

00:14:41.040 due to the shipwreck.

00:14:42.240 So we should not attack them in that case.

00:14:44.220 But if the vessel that they're on still qualifies as a military objective, then they're not, but they're by definition

00:14:49.720 they're not shipwrecked and, you know, the commander could order subsequent strikes to finish the, you know, the

00:14:57.500 mission, to complete the mission to ensure that the boat is no longer serviceable, that no longer is a military objective.

00:15:03.420 So if the boat is not destroyed, and the mission is to destroy it, and you have two survivors who are floating on the boat or holding onto the boat in the water, it's fair game.

00:15:13.720 They're going to go if the mission is take out that boat.

00:15:16.840 That's right.

00:15:17.420 So this is a difference between whether the boat was disabled or destroyed.

00:15:21.660 And so if, I mean, if it's destroyed, we can think of, you know, pieces of boat floating around in the water, you know, and, you know, maybe survivors with a life vest on or clinging to it or whatever.

00:15:31.840 Like, that's a destroyed boat.

00:15:33.440 And if that's the case, then there would be no reason to re-attack it.

00:15:36.680 But if the boat is disabled, and again, by the initial report from the Washington Post, it's what it sounds to me like the commander involved assessed, that the boat was disabled rather than destroyed, then there's no, it still qualifies then by legal definition, by law of armed conflict, as a military objective such that it can be, you know, it can be attacked.

00:15:57.800 That makes perfect sense.

00:15:58.700 The mission is destroy it.

00:15:59.980 You've only disabled it.

00:16:01.020 So you need a second strike to destroy it.

00:16:02.880 That's what this Admiral Bradley saw and did.

00:16:05.200 And those two guys who survived the initial blast were taken down in the second strike.

00:16:10.360 And now, not only do we have the suggestion that it's possible the two survivors might have been able to coordinate with other narco-terrorists, we actually, in the New York Times report, have, this is on the record now, one of the officials that spoke to the Times is quoted as saying,

00:16:29.580 the U.S. military intercepted radio communications from one of the survivors to what the official said were narco-traffickers.

00:16:39.860 I mean, now that's as clear-cut as it comes.

00:16:43.280 Any military commander would order those guys taken out.

00:16:46.360 Absolutely, because at that point, if that's the intelligence that they have, at that point, it absolutely still does qualify.

00:16:53.020 Because, again, by definition, an object by its use makes an effective contribution to military action.

00:16:58.380 And so it was kind of implied by the way that the Washington Post reported it that the commander believed that they could radio for assistance and have someone come and get the cargo and continue with the mission.

00:17:15.360 But with the, you know, with going on record now, establishing on the record that, yes, there was, in fact, a radio transmission that was intercepted, then, you know, that basically supports the conclusion that that's exactly what the commander believed at the time.

00:17:30.160 And, you know, the commander ordered subsequent strikes to destroy the boat because it wasn't destroyed to begin with.

00:17:36.760 This is so amazing to me.

00:17:38.220 This all makes perfect sense.

00:17:39.480 It's a left-wing Trump-hating narrative that we have these military commanders who are just these rogue agents who have thrown caution to the wind, who, you know, are just out there for bloodlust, trying to take down anybody that they see in the seas, as opposed to rational, thoughtful, considered leaders who understand the rules of military combat a lot better than the Washington Post or some armchair pundits who want to jump all the way all over them.

00:18:09.480 And it also seemed clear in the way the military was very careful in its wording about this.

00:18:14.960 You know, you had Trump saying, Hegseth told me he did not give that second order, that he did not give a verbal command to kill all the people.

00:18:22.820 And they're still denying that.

00:18:25.200 And then Hegseth sent out a tweet saying, I stand behind Admiral Bradley.

00:18:29.920 He's done nothing wrong, which seemed to be a way of saying, here's the guy who gave the order, but he did nothing wrong.

00:18:35.840 It was a way of sort of clarifying, it wasn't me, and now we know it wasn't him.

00:18:39.840 But we also want to find out whether Admiral Bradley did anything wrong.

00:18:43.300 And the answer is no.

00:18:44.640 He had a partially destroyed ship, from which, according to this one official to the Times, the radio comms were still possible.

00:18:52.620 And one of the survivors was using them to call in backup.

00:18:56.520 Exactly.

00:18:58.880 Yeah.

00:18:59.320 And so, this is the danger with running with completely speculative reporting.

00:19:05.520 As, you know, initial reports are almost always, and this is something we know in the military, you know, for operationally, we just take it as a given.

00:19:12.280 And initial reports are almost always, if not wrong, they're at least incomplete enough that you don't have enough information to make, you know, kind of really meaningful conclusions.

00:19:26.620 We still need to gather information.

00:19:28.140 We still need to figure out exactly what happened.

00:19:29.860 And so, the responsible thing, if the Washington Post wanted to report, you know, based on the sources that they have, I mean, you know, that's a journalistic decision in-house.

00:19:40.440 And, you know, I know that there are checks in place to decide, you know, whether we're going to run a story based on completely anonymous sources.

00:19:48.020 So, that's one thing, to run this story.

00:19:50.280 There is news value and public interest in it.

00:19:52.300 I get it, but we need to exercise caution when all we're dealing with is speculative reports from anonymous sources that we're not really sure, like, they're filling in, they're providing some evidence of what happened, but they're not really filling in the gaps.

00:20:08.240 And before we can make conclusions and denounce everybody involved as a war criminal, I mean, this is, if they're wrong about this, if they're wrong about the allegations, this is defamation, right?

00:20:18.540 Oh, it's a pretty mighty slander.

00:20:20.380 Right.

00:20:20.740 So, before we jump to conclusions like this, it's, I mean, it's just, it makes logical sense to gather the information and figure out, you know, if it came to light that the commander involved or the secretary of war, for this case, you know, saw that the boat was completely destroyed and there was no military utility in attacking the boat anyways, and there's just two survivors clinging around to, you know, wreckage floating around in the Caribbean ocean, and they said kill them anyways.

00:20:49.120 I mean, I mean, if that's the evidence that we're getting, then, I mean, that sounds to me like a war crime, right? 0.70

00:20:55.700 But we're not getting that evidence from the initial Washington Post report, and so it's irresponsible to take, to make conclusions, you know, really assertive conclusions that this was a war crime and that Pete Hegseth needs to resign or be fired or prosecuted or whatever, based on incomplete information.

00:21:13.120 You had Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts out there saying, you mark my words, someone's going to jail for murder.

00:21:20.400 I mean, that's like so irresponsible, ginning up hatred and acrimony toward our serving military members who are under enough stress as it is.

00:21:30.680 You made a point in your tweet storm that was so powerful, responding to those who say, oh, you know, in defense of this so-called seditious six, the six lawmakers who went out there and started this whole thing by saying, hey, soldiers, don't obey illegal orders.

00:21:46.740 People say, you know what?

00:21:47.700 It's just a reminder, just a reminder to these soldiers in these tumultuous times, like, you don't have the obligation to follow an illegal order, and they just needed that.

00:21:56.720 You had a response to that.

00:21:57.880 Tell us what it is.

00:21:58.460 Yeah, we don't need to be, we, so, you know, having spent 22 years in the military, I'm just still kind of part of my identity, and so I still identify in that even though I'm no longer in, but, you know, service members, me included when I was in, we don't need reminders that we, you know, have to, we have an obligation not to obey manifestly unlawful orders, right?

00:22:20.620 So, not just unlawful orders, but manifestly.

00:22:23.840 We don't need anyone from Congress, we don't need anyone from the outside to remind us of this, because, I mean, it's part of the ethos that we live every day.

00:22:32.360 It's drilled into us, you know, starting in basic training, and it's part of our, following orders is, it's part of the military life.

00:22:41.340 I mean, it's part of good order and discipline, but we're also, we already understand that we have no obligation to follow patent, you know, manifestly unlawful orders.

00:22:51.860 And so, the people who are reminding us, or reminding the, you know, members of the DOD of this, they know that, they know that service members don't need to be reminded that we have no obligation to follow manifestly unlawful orders.

00:23:07.920 They're doing this to create doubt, to second guess the, you know, the current political leadership of the military, civilian and senior military leadership, to create the appearance that the orders that are being given are manifestly unlawful.

00:23:27.140 And so, there is an obligation not to follow them.

00:23:30.020 And that is also irresponsible, because, again, it's not something we need to be reminded of, and the obligation is not just to, you know, not follow or not obey unlawful orders, but it's manifestly unlawful.

00:23:44.560 And if we don't, and so, the context of the, you know, the members of Congress who are being referred to as the Seditious Six, they're making their case that this is not an armed conflict, that it should actually be, you know, human rights law that's applying, and we should not be engaged in, you know, military strikes against these boats.

00:24:02.260 And that's, you know, that's, you know, an opinion, and that's, you know, it's interesting academically, but the troops who are involved in this conflict are not specialists in, you know, international law involving the resort to force.

00:24:14.880 And so, you know, that's at the political leadership level.

00:24:18.660 And so, you know, we are given orders, you are in, we have determined, the political leadership has determined that you are in armed conflict, so apply law of armed conflict to this rather than, you know, human rights law.

00:24:29.140 And, you know, that is a, we're not, we're not in a position to understand whether that is unlawful or not.

00:24:35.880 You know, we're, we are going to comply with law of armed conflict.

00:24:38.180 This is pretty sophisticated stuff that had to be run up and down the chain of command and lawyers, DOJ and elsewhere, like to expect Admiral Bradley to have full, complete knowledge of this.

00:24:48.980 Whereas, you know, people have gone to law school who have practiced law at the elite levels who understand military law, maritime law, all the things, they, they, they had to study this.

00:24:58.080 They had teams who studied it to expect one Admiral to have it all down, as opposed to understanding that I have a boss who has to deal with that.

00:25:06.560 He talks to lawyers who had to deal with that.

00:25:08.940 And when my boss tells me what to do, I do it.

00:25:11.580 Like, that's how the chain of command works.

00:25:13.440 But the notion that Senator Mark Kelly can somehow empower, you know, the guy who actually has to press the button on the kinetic strike to say, no, Admiral, I'm not doing that, sir.

00:25:27.880 Mark Kelly told me I have the authority to say no to you is really dangerous.

00:25:32.180 It is.

00:25:33.740 So, it's dangerous at the individual level, because if that troop, whoever it is, that service member refuses to obey the order, and it doesn't turn out that it's reasonably manifestly unlawful, then that, whoever it is, that service member is going to be court-martialed.

00:25:49.300 And that service member, you know, it's not going to be a defense that, well, I read on, you know, social media that Senator Mark Kelly said that I have an obligation not to do this, and so I didn't do it.

00:26:01.200 Right?

00:26:01.680 So, that's not a defense.

00:26:02.540 And so, that service member is now at legal risk for, you know, for having the impression that he or she does not need to follow this order when it actually is a lawful order.

00:26:14.760 And so, you know, these external commentators are essentially trying to substitute their own understanding of what is or is not lawful for the actual current chain of command from the secretary of war all the way down to the tactical level.

00:26:29.020 So, that's one issue for the individual, you know, concerned is that's not going to be a defense when they get court-martialed for this.

00:26:36.340 But then there's a more kind of systemic concern with this, and that is, it's sowing the seeds of doubt among those who are actually involved with carrying out orders.

00:26:48.700 And if there is hesitation in carrying out lawful orders, that's the whole reason why we train on this, how we train on the disciplined use of overwhelming force.

00:27:00.780 If we're not doing that because we're second-guessing orders that are actually lawful, we're going to end up having hesitation on the battlefield, and that's going to end up creating missed opportunities that could end up costing us our lives.

00:27:15.920 When, you know, the missed opportunity of the adversary that we didn't attack ends up attacking us, and that could end up creating a risk of mission, mission failure.

00:27:25.060 Wow.

00:27:25.500 It's just so irresponsible.

00:27:27.260 Brian Cox, thank you so much for your analysis.

00:27:29.540 Love talking to you.

00:27:30.780 Absolutely.

00:27:31.440 Thank you very much for having me.

00:27:32.340 Take care.

00:27:32.800 Thank you for your service.

00:27:34.520 Okay, coming up next, Rich and Charlie have been watching this.

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00:28:56.440 Rich Lowry, editor-in-chief of National Review and Charles C.W. Cook, senior writer for National Review and host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.

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00:29:09.460 Guys, great to see you.

00:29:11.300 Good to see you.

00:29:11.960 Not so great to hear you.

00:29:13.020 As I texted you earlier, you sound worse than yesterday.

00:29:15.120 I know.

00:29:16.400 I saved up all my roid rage for you, Rich Lowry.

00:29:20.760 All right.

00:29:21.520 So I understand you heard at least part of Brian Cox, who's a very thoughtful guy, and what his initial reaction to that Washington Post report is already being borne out by the subsequent reporting by the New York Times.

00:29:33.620 He saw the Washington Post talking about a disabled boat as opposed to a destroyed boat and understood as a guy who served for 22 years, wait, wait, wait.

00:29:42.980 That makes a difference.

00:29:44.540 If the mission is to destroy a boat and after strike one it's only been disabled, you can pretty much bet your dollars to donuts, there's going to be a strike two.

00:29:53.800 That's a mission not accomplished.

00:29:55.560 And so the second strike would have been perfectly within the laws of war with or without two survivors clinging to some portion of the boat.

00:30:06.360 But on top of all that, we get the New York Times now reporting that at least one of the officials they spoke to reports that one of these alleged survivors, or whatever you want to call them, had radioed back.

00:30:20.100 It was actually radioing back to another narco-terrorist saying, like, help, the boat has been disabled, and giving, you know, the people in command, like Admiral Bradley, even more reason to take the second strike.

00:30:34.520 And we also now learn, contrary to the Washington Post report, that Pete Hexeth did not issue a second order.

00:30:41.020 There was no verbal command to kill everybody, as WAPO reported.

00:30:45.300 So, Rich, I mean, there was a litany of things wrong, as it looks today, from that Washington Post report, which is diametrically opposed to the New York Times and to what the White House and the Pentagon are saying.

00:30:56.600 Yeah, so just as someone who's spent a lot of time consuming news, lest my adult life, just the Washington Post story has the classic aspect of something that's too perfect, that's too cinematic.

00:31:10.880 It feels like the movie where you have the handsome, slightly nefarious defense secretary with all the screens on the wall, and there's the moment where you can see whether you can take out the wounded guys, and he orders it.

00:31:22.920 So, I just inherently, we need to learn more, but the New York Times story seems more credible to me, where I depart from our guest, I guess, is that what he says makes total sense to me.

00:31:35.100 If this is a destroyer or some sort of military vessel, of course you take it out, even if there are wounded people on the vessel, but I just don't think these drug runners are combatants.

00:31:44.720 I don't think they represent a threat to our military, I don't see any reason why you wouldn't take the guys off the boat, and then sink the boat, or whatever you want to do.

00:31:54.900 So, I have a problem over and beyond the double tap.

00:31:59.000 I don't think we should be tapping these boats to begin with, because they're not combatants.

00:32:02.560 Okay, but they've gotten a legal blessing for doing that, and so now the question is tactics and whether they're within the rules of war, and it looks like the Washington Post got way ahead of its skis on this one, Charles, and I'll tell you something else that's interesting here.

00:32:17.140 Remember, this morning you had NPR, and I believe, I don't know what NPR tapes, excuse me, it's Up First podcast, but I think it's either very, very late at night or first thing in the morning, because I'm always comparing my own AM update to theirs, just to see if they have what we have, because we always go very, very late on our taping.

00:32:36.740 Anyway, they completely ignore the New York Times reporting, which is not like NPR, so I think they either missed it, or worse, they just didn't account for it, in doubling down on the, what appears to be faulty, Washington Post reporting from Friday.

00:32:55.260 Take a listen to what I heard on NPR this morning.

00:32:57.880 So on Friday, the Washington Post reported that on September 2nd, U.S. forces struck one of those boats, leaving survivors afterwards, and so Hegseth gave an order to kill those survivors.

00:33:10.700 Now, NPR later confirmed that Hegseth had ordered both strikes.

00:33:14.600 All of that matters because, as Congress members from both parties have said, that second strike may have constituted a war crime.

00:33:21.660 Meanwhile, the Department of Defense in that Washington Post story said that, quote, this entire narrative is completely false.

00:33:29.580 Now, what did we learn from the White House yesterday?

00:33:32.240 Well, the administration then confirmed some parts of this story.

00:33:35.880 At yesterday's press briefing, Press Secretary Caroline Levitt acknowledged a second strike, but as for Hegseth ordering it, she didn't deny it, but said Hegseth authorized U.S. Navy Admiral Frank M. Bradley to take these actions.

00:33:49.520 But our NPR colleague, Tom Bowman, has new reporting on this.

00:33:53.180 Yesterday, a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly pushed back on the White House, saying Hegseth gave the command for two strikes to kill in addition to two strikes to sink the boat.

00:34:05.880 Okay, so it's like the New York Times report doesn't exist.

00:34:09.120 She doesn't acknowledge Caroline Levitt did say yesterday that Hegseth did not say kill everyone.

00:34:14.960 She did not acknowledge, or she just went with that he gave the order to kill, and that NPR confirmed that he gave this order to kill, like a second order.

00:34:27.220 And she did not acknowledge the Hegseth tweet yesterday saying Admiral Bradley is the one who did it, and we stand behind him.

00:34:36.280 He basically said Admiral Bradley commanded the operation.

00:34:39.000 He did nothing wrong.

00:34:39.680 We stand behind him 100%.

00:34:40.700 So, like, none of this is in NPR, which I will confess is shocking to me.

00:34:45.780 Your thoughts?

00:34:47.620 Well, that part's not shocking to me.

00:34:50.080 I was skeptical of the Washington Post story.

00:34:52.480 That doesn't mean it's untrue, but I have been and remain skeptical of it, having lived through now 10 years of stories relating to Donald Trump.

00:35:02.420 The way in which the anonymous sources were used as scaffolding to build what, as Rich said, looks a bit like a movie scene made me skeptical.

00:35:13.800 And then when the New York Times story came out, which is against the interests of the New York Times' editorial bent, I became even more skeptical.

00:35:22.520 So I'm absolutely open to the idea that Washington Post got this wrong or went too far with what information it had.

00:35:30.360 And I think your guest made a compelling case to that effect.

00:35:33.800 But I am with Rich on the underlying problem, which is that there's no authorization here for war in the first place.

00:35:43.000 Now, that is a separate issue.

00:35:45.580 It certainly would not mean that Pete Hegseth or others were engaged in war crimes or any of that.

00:35:51.880 But I do think that that matters as a backdrop just as much as the details of this particular strike.

00:35:57.500 It does matter.

00:35:58.600 I agree with you that it matters.

00:36:00.120 Before I move off of this and to that, I want to point this out.

00:36:02.560 John Podoros, he's not a fan of Pete Hegseth, I think it's fair to say, of Commentary magazine.

00:36:08.460 He tweeted out, if this New York Times story is true, the Washington Post story is a genuinely vile slander of both Hegseth and Bradley.

00:36:19.520 And he's seeing it too.

00:36:20.340 So this is a major conflict between the New York Times on the one hand, NPR and Washington Post on the other hand.

00:36:26.100 And we'll see how it gets resolved.

00:36:28.120 But resolve, it should, because you've got military service personnel twisting in the wind.

00:36:34.900 And the whole thing is so wrong.

00:36:36.240 This is all started by Mark Kelly.

00:36:37.600 He has this awe-shocks, like, gee, I'm just being neighborly here, letting the soldiers know that they shouldn't obey these terrible orders, which inevitably, you know, the evil Donald Trump or Pete Hegseth are giving.

00:36:49.360 So, like, I'm just Joe-friendly, trying to remind you of this.

00:36:51.560 But, like, that's what set this whole thing off.

00:36:53.740 Here that is.

00:36:54.960 This is actually from Meet the Press on Sunday, Sat Zero.

00:36:57.800 You can certainly go to the judge, advocates, generals, the lawyers, and have a discussion about it.

00:37:08.380 If you don't have time, you just say simply, I'm not going to do that.

00:37:10.640 That's against the law.

00:37:11.700 It puts a lot of burden on the troops to make a decision in real time.

00:37:15.560 It puts a tremendous amount of burden on officers in the military.

00:37:18.120 But that is their responsibility.

00:37:20.300 And they can figure out, you know, a reasonable person can tell something that is legal and something that is illegal.

00:37:26.760 So would you refuse these specific orders to strike drug boats if you were still in uniform?

00:37:32.540 Well, the difference between the initial strike and what is being reported, you know, as a second strike, and those things are different.

00:37:39.800 I think this administration has tied themselves in knots, the explanations that we have received on how this is all legal.

00:37:48.820 And I was saying weeks ago, my concern is with the service members, that we're going to put these individuals in a really, really tough decision, in a tough place.

00:37:59.020 And, you know, they may find out, you know, down the road that they did something that is illegal.

00:38:03.660 It is not fair to them.

00:38:05.940 Wait, I thought he just said that, you know, he said in the middle of that soundbite, you know what's a legal order and what's an illegal order.

00:38:13.600 Then he ends it with, I'm really concerned about the service members who might not know.

00:38:17.240 And then down the line are going to get prosecuted.

00:38:19.460 The whole argument is circular.

00:38:20.920 It falls apart upon just, you know, easy scrutiny, Rich Lowry.

00:38:25.800 And that's because he's not doing protect the troops.

00:38:28.460 He's doing politics.

00:38:31.200 Well, I thought it was notable in that interview.

00:38:32.960 He was pressed a couple times on that point.

00:38:35.100 Would you have defied the second order?

00:38:38.240 And he was very hesitant.

00:38:39.320 He never said, yeah, I would have defied it.

00:38:42.140 Instead, went to those generalities.

00:38:44.120 Look, on this video, it was clearly base maintenance.

00:38:47.040 The audience for that is the left-wing base of the Democratic Party.

00:38:51.460 Everyone who's in the military, all this stuff is drilled into them constantly.

00:38:55.180 They don't need Mark Kelly's permission to defy illegal orders.

00:38:59.240 And I just, I'm highly skeptical on the other side of the ledger that any Marine, a 19-year-old Marine, is going to defy a lawful order because of something Mark Kelly said.

00:39:09.880 So I find this aspect of it to be just entirely theater.

00:39:13.400 Here's the other thing, Rich, to your point about the Washington Post theatrical reporting.

00:39:19.680 It was co-authored by Ellen Nakashima.

00:39:22.780 Does that ring a bell at WAPO?

00:39:24.080 She's been square in the crosshairs of our friend Glenn Greenwald for many years, who has kept the receipts on the Russiagate fake reporting.

00:39:35.140 And she was almost as bad as Natasha Burstrand, who's also all over this story.

00:39:40.600 Two of the chief antagonists of Trump 1.0 are back in Trump 2.0.

00:39:45.280 And here's Ellen Nakashima, who won a Pulitzer in 2018 for her fake Russiagate reporting that said that Russia was trying to help Trump win the White House.

00:39:58.020 Again, now we're looking at all these CIA documents and understanding that they were manipulated by John Brennan and so on.

00:40:04.040 She had no skepticism at all because it made Trump look bad the first time around.

00:40:08.940 And I would argue exactly the same thing is haunting her reporting.

00:40:12.780 She's now been humiliated, not by Fox News, not by me, not by NR, but by the New York Times.

00:40:20.360 And they need to update that reporting stat.

00:40:23.580 Okay, let's keep going.

00:40:25.520 Now, today, I want to tell you that we have our own exclusive reporting in response to the hit that came out yesterday, this report, attacking Kash Patel and, to a lesser extent, Dan Bongino.

00:40:40.800 We broke some of this news in our AM update, but I have more to tell you today.

00:40:45.660 That is direct from Kash Patel himself with his authorization that it be on the record.

00:40:51.580 Just by way of background, what happened was a group called the National Alliance of Retired and Active Duty, FBI special agents and analysts, issued a report.

00:41:01.080 This report, we're told, is going to be presented to Congress later this week.

00:41:06.180 It's called a pulse check of the first six months of the Patel leadership, February through August.

00:41:14.320 And it calls the FBI a chronically underperforming agency, in part because of Kash's political partisanship.

00:41:21.660 It reveals a troubling picture, they say.

00:41:24.000 This is after their interviews with rank and file current and former agents of a chronically underperforming agency debilitated by low confidence in FBI leadership, based on a lack of prior experience.

00:41:33.960 A historically toxic culture of fear and operational paralysis and deep-seated internal partisanship.

00:41:40.960 They go on, and I'll go through some of the allegations, but the biggest thing that they point to that's been used to embarrass or try to Kash Patel is a story that when Kash went out to the Charlie Kirk assassination guys,

00:42:01.000 that he showed up there via his airplane, and he didn't have an FBI jacket, and that he, like a high school girl wanting to be in the right outfit at the big football game, refused to leave the vehicle, the plane, until he got the proper threads on him.

00:42:22.800 He wouldn't leave until he got an FBI jacket, and that, on top of that, he demanded a patch to make him look like badass.

00:42:31.340 Like, so that one of the local guys had to take off a patch and give him the patch so that he looked tougher.

00:42:37.720 That's the implication.

00:42:39.460 Well, I've spoken with Kash Patel, and he said none of that is true.

00:42:45.360 His initial denials and the real facts about where the FBI is, they call it rudderless.

00:42:49.180 The FBI is actually truly setting records on its arrest rates, on violent crimes, gangs, and so on, but it's all an AM update.

00:42:56.800 But on this particular incident, which was meant to personally humiliate him, obviously, he says it's not true.

00:43:01.540 He says he flew from New York directly out to Utah.

00:43:04.920 He had no proper clothing.

00:43:06.680 He was out to dinner when he learned about Charlie, so he did borrow an FBI jacket.

00:43:11.740 He said the patches piece of the story is also not true.

00:43:15.880 He said a guy who worked one of the special divisions out in Utah actually gave him a patch as like a solidarity, the way a lot of law enforcement will give you like a coin or whatever.

00:43:27.580 He gave it to him because he wanted the FBI director to feel like part of the crew.

00:43:31.320 And patch, to respect this guy and say thanks for, you know, giving this to me, put it on his arm and got off the plane.

00:43:38.200 He said there was no waiting on the plane to get a jacket.

00:43:40.700 There was no waiting on the plane to get a patch.

00:43:41.900 He said we ran off the plane.

00:43:43.920 We understood Charlie had been murdered.

00:43:45.020 It was a tumultuous time.

00:43:47.660 And that just none of this is true.

00:43:49.620 And I got to tell you guys something.

00:43:51.080 When I went through yesterday, because Miranda Devine had an explosive report yesterday. 0.99

00:43:54.680 She is always a great reporter.

00:43:57.300 But then later, the actual 110 or so on page report dropped.

00:44:02.540 And as I actually went through it, the complaints in here, boys.

00:44:07.000 I mean, okay, I'll give you an example.

00:44:09.500 The deep-seated internal partisanship is there because of, they say, because of the FBI director, who previously campaigned for the president as a vocal critic of the FBI.

00:44:22.140 Too fucking bad.

00:44:23.980 Also, left-leaning factions embedded who have TDS.

00:44:27.940 I accept that.

00:44:29.040 There is increasing dislike for Trump in the FBI, they say.

00:44:32.060 The number of FBI employees exhibiting TDS is much more widespread than it was within the FBI.

00:44:38.740 Then they go on to say, agents are upset about the January 6th pardons.

00:44:43.820 A subsource, who is an FBI employee, reported he or she is demoralized that the president pardoned those rightfully convicted for their role in January 6th.

00:44:52.520 Take it up with Oprah.

00:44:53.940 Why does Kash Patel have to run around talking to some, like an individual?

00:44:59.560 This is a one-person complaint from the sound of it.

00:45:02.040 They go on to say, Patel is allegedly paralyzed.

00:45:07.760 FBI personnel, predominantly those members of FBI management, are afraid of losing their jobs.

00:45:13.560 They are making operational decisions based on that fear.

00:45:17.760 Some FBI managers are waiting for the FBI director to tell them specifically what to do.

00:45:22.320 And they're not doing anything because they're waiting on those directions.

00:45:25.180 This reads like a struggle session that you would have it like a self-help weekend away.

00:45:31.740 And the conclusion of these guys in this report is you better listen to Kash Patel.

00:45:37.800 Every opinion matters.

00:45:39.500 You have to reprogram the mindset from hyper-defensive to full receive mode and commit to embracing feedback.

00:45:47.320 And then you must execute on the recommendations.

00:45:49.740 This sounds like a BLM session, like the Wall Street Journal kids who tried to pull this shit onto the WSJ during the George Floyd-a-palooza. 0.88

00:45:59.320 And WSJ said, yeah, we hear you.

00:46:01.460 We understand your feelings.

00:46:02.660 Get out if you don't want to work here.

00:46:04.400 It's a news organization.

00:46:06.200 Rich, I'm sorry, but this is like, I'm not persuaded.

00:46:09.620 And this is not just because I like Kash and Dan.

00:46:11.500 I was perfectly ready to criticize them.

00:46:13.420 This sounds like bullshit.

00:46:14.480 Yeah, so the jacket story, classic kind of BS story.

00:46:19.840 It goes back to the Hexf Washington Post story.

00:46:22.520 I learned long ago in the Trump era, you don't believe anything that allegedly happened in private or said that was said in private.

00:46:29.980 I mean, they lied about things Trump said on camera in the Lester Holt interview about why he fired James Comey, what he said about the Charlottesville protests.

00:46:37.500 So I don't believe anything that's reported about something that happened in private unless there's some written record of it.

00:46:44.100 And this is a classic story that feels like the jacket thing.

00:46:48.120 It's just made up.

00:46:49.260 It's hearsay repeated two or three times by people who hate the guy and want to embarrass him.

00:46:53.700 So I put no credibility in that whatsoever, and his denial sounds totally incredible.

00:46:59.500 Now, look, this is a huge institutional and organizational lift for him.

00:47:02.860 He's never had a job like this.

00:47:04.580 I'm sure things have been shaky because he's inexperienced.

00:47:07.160 We saw some of that in public and how he handled the Charlie Kirk assassination, you know, saying whether we had a suspect in custody or not and having to change a couple of times on that.

00:47:16.060 But on the other hand, there's an entrenched bureaucracy that's going to be hostile to his priorities and hostile to his politics.

00:47:23.400 So this this is not I don't I don't take any of this very, very seriously, but it comes with the job for cash.

00:47:32.560 Yeah, well, exactly.

00:47:34.200 And Miranda is a straight reporter.

00:47:35.760 But the question is, what's in the ingredients of the report that she was basing her report on?

00:47:41.100 And here's the thing he raised with me.

00:47:43.980 Charlie Cash did.

00:47:45.780 The FBI is doing a good job.

00:47:48.840 They allege its rudder list, direction list.

00:47:51.340 People are paralyzed.

00:47:52.720 These are some of the stats we listed in AM update today.

00:47:55.300 Under Cash's leadership, the Bureau has made almost 30,000 arrests this year.

00:48:00.680 That's a 100 percent increase from 2024.

00:48:03.520 Twenty five thousand of those for violent crimes.

00:48:05.800 Over 100 MS-13 gang members, over 200 plus trender Aragua members.

00:48:10.160 Six thousand missing children have been found.

00:48:11.940 That's a 22 percent increase over last year.

00:48:14.120 Seventeen hundred child predators have been arrested up 10 percent over last year.

00:48:17.860 Human trafficking arrests up 15 percent from last year.

00:48:20.680 Domestic terrorism arrests up 30, 30 percent.

00:48:24.900 Nineteen hundred kilos of fentanyl have been seized.

00:48:27.880 Four of the top 10 most wanted criminals have been nabbed.

00:48:30.600 That's the same number President Biden's FBI nabbed in four years sitting in office.

00:48:35.280 So to me, this just smacks of they don't like him.

00:48:40.260 They don't like Dan.

00:48:41.840 The FBI, I'm talking about the FBI rank and file.

00:48:44.080 And that didn't that hasn't changed just because they got rid of DEI, et cetera.

00:48:50.460 So I'm very far from being an expert in the internal workings of the FBI.

00:48:55.140 I'm also not a great fan of the FBI.

00:48:58.620 What I do know, though, is how the U.S. Constitution works.

00:49:01.700 And all of the criticisms that you read are irrelevant under our system of government.

00:49:07.080 I am also a critic of the January 6 pardons.

00:49:11.080 But Donald Trump is the duly elected president of the United States.

00:49:14.480 He's the head of the executive branch.

00:49:16.400 And if you cannot, as an FBI agent or any other agent of the federal government, work for the president, then you have to resign.

00:49:24.460 Likewise, Donald Trump chose Kash Patel to be in that role as the head of that agency.

00:49:31.540 If you don't like him, then you have to leave.

00:49:34.140 If you look back to the beginning of this republic, the idea that people would stay on between presidencies was absurd.

00:49:44.900 Now, over time, we've developed this professional bureaucracy.

00:49:47.720 There are good sides to that.

00:49:48.800 There are bad sides to that.

00:49:50.020 But the deal is that as a government employee, you work for the president until you can't.

00:49:56.440 So if you've been in the FBI or any other agency in the last 15 years, you've worked under Barack Obama and Donald Trump and Joe Biden and now Donald Trump.

00:50:06.060 Again, those are very different people.

00:50:07.600 They've done very different things.

00:50:09.320 Half the country likes one of those guys.

00:50:12.160 The other half does not.

00:50:14.060 So I think unless there is a lot more to the report, I think the answer to that is nobody cares.

00:50:22.300 The notion that the military in particular, but police forces, ought to be subordinate to the civil power is one of the core elements in America.

00:50:30.500 So, you know, I don't know if you need to go see Oprah, but if you're upset with your leadership, then suck it up because that is how our democracy works and you wouldn't want it any other way.

00:50:41.000 It's very strange, Rich, to read this from FBI agents.

00:50:45.220 Like, you have to receive the information.

00:50:48.440 You have to do something about it.

00:50:50.020 Make them feel seen and heard.

00:50:52.280 Oh, my God.

00:50:53.120 I mean, like, if I heard this from my staff, I'd be like, you need to go work for somebody else.

00:50:56.460 I'm not the make you feel seen and heard kind of person.

00:50:59.720 Yeah, you want the FBI guys to be guys with crew cuts that take orders and go take down bad guys and don't spend their time backbiting and whining, which is what this report sounds like.

00:51:11.940 Well, exactly.

00:51:12.640 So, in any event, I think what I'm seeing with Cash and with Dan is a trend to try to diminish and embarrass them.

00:51:20.020 And I know their critics will say that's because they've done diminishing and embarrassing things.

00:51:23.500 And I would just urge people to understand, I've been in this business a long time, I'm seeing a pattern on them, same pattern as we've seen on Hegseth, where the people who didn't like them to begin with continue not to like them, and then more and more and more hit pieces wind up in the news.

00:51:38.640 In fact, we just saw this.

00:51:41.480 This is a good, before we go to break, I'm just going to read this.

00:51:44.400 I know.

00:51:45.860 This is from, here it is, Eric Schmidt, who's now a U.S. senator from Missouri.

00:51:54.580 He says, a quick note on Hegseth.

00:51:56.460 He was and is a threat to permanent Washington status quo.

00:51:59.820 They didn't defeat the nomination.

00:52:00.940 They tried hard.

00:52:01.580 I saw all the behind-the-scenes craziness.

00:52:03.420 He was their top target.

00:52:04.340 Since then, there have been countless anonymous leaks meant to undermine him and thwart Trump and others.

00:52:08.940 Bogus story after bogus story, it's the same tired playbook.

00:52:12.280 Same for him, same for Cash, same for Dan.

00:52:14.300 We'll be right back.

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00:54:14.220 Rich Lowry and Charlie Cook of National Review are back with me now.

00:54:22.240 And guys, this just in, as Trump is holding a cabinet meeting, some good news.

00:54:28.120 It's not, we don't know how good, but it's definitely good news about the remaining survivor, National Guard member, who was shot by that Afghani asylee. 1.00

00:54:41.080 He'd been granted asylum in April.

00:54:43.820 You remember there was a young woman.

00:54:46.000 She passed.

00:54:47.120 And then there was a young man who was 24.

00:54:49.320 And Trump just said this.

00:54:50.580 Listen.

00:54:50.760 And I want to pay my deepest respects to those two incredible people from the National Guard.

00:54:58.700 In West Virginia they came from.

00:55:00.600 I spoke to their parents.

00:55:04.280 Sarah is gone.

00:55:06.800 She passed away.

00:55:07.620 She's looking down on us now.

00:55:09.160 And she loves her parents.

00:55:10.320 And they loved her.

00:55:11.380 They were, somebody said, how are they doing?

00:55:14.260 I said, the word is devastated.

00:55:16.900 Doing.

00:55:17.620 How are they going to do?

00:55:19.080 They're devastated.

00:55:19.920 The rest of their lives they're going to be devastated.

00:55:22.120 She was an incredible person.

00:55:24.060 Highly respected.

00:55:25.540 Top of her class.

00:55:26.780 Everything.

00:55:27.280 She was like a perfect human being.

00:55:30.020 20 years old.

00:55:30.840 Just started.

00:55:31.540 She was like a baby.

00:55:33.660 She was so proud.

00:55:35.080 They were giving her a promotion.

00:55:37.400 And she told the parents that she was getting a promotion.

00:55:41.220 And they were so proud of her.

00:55:43.200 Then they get a call that this happened.

00:55:46.240 And we have one young man who's fighting for his life.

00:55:49.520 He's fighting very hard.

00:55:50.840 I think he's probably doing better than anybody.

00:55:54.400 And they said he didn't have a chance.

00:55:57.020 I'll tell you.

00:55:57.320 The one who said he's going to live is his mother.

00:56:00.380 Spoke to his mother.

00:56:01.860 Sir, he's going to live.

00:56:04.980 I pray to God that's true.

00:56:06.500 His name is Andrew Wolfe.

00:56:08.100 Sarah Beckstrom is the National Guard member who died on Thanksgiving, age 20.

00:56:13.440 And what's been so disgusting in the wake of this murder, an attempted murder in the case of Andrew Charles, is the left wing running around trying to pretend that the issue is really that they were there in the first place.

00:56:29.140 Like Jane Mayer of The New Yorker out there saying this was all so unnecessary.

00:56:34.500 They didn't need to be there as if that's really the problem.

00:56:38.480 Like, not that there's some lunatic who drove from Washington state to Washington, D.C. to shoot down two innocents in the prime of their lives.

00:56:47.180 But that Trump gave the order to fortify the crime preventions in Washington, D.C.

00:56:55.300 Yeah, it's absolutely outrageous.

00:56:58.640 They make it sound as if the United States staged an unprovoked invasion of, say, Australia.

00:57:06.080 And then these two young people were shot, at which point you would say, well, why were they there?

00:57:14.280 But that's not what happened.

00:57:15.440 And the District of Columbia is a federal district.

00:57:20.560 It is under federal control.

00:57:22.900 It's not a state.

00:57:24.140 It's not a foreign country. 0.99

00:57:25.820 The federal government is allowed to deploy federal agents in the federal district.

00:57:31.480 So once you get past that, then what Jane Mayer and others effectively are saying is the equivalent of saying, well, if you don't like the police, you can just shoot them, which is crazy.

00:57:44.020 Of course you can't.

00:57:45.020 This is the fundamental presumption beneath our civilization that we do not kill people.

00:57:51.640 Just because we have a problem with them.

00:57:55.460 Now, we don't know precisely what the person who shot them was trying to achieve.

00:58:02.020 But it doesn't matter.

00:58:03.680 It doesn't matter whether he was upset that they were there.

00:58:06.500 It doesn't matter whether he was trying to commit some secondary crime.

00:58:09.800 It doesn't matter whether he had political or religious objections.

00:58:12.560 It doesn't matter whether he equated them in some way with ICE or other federal agents.

00:58:18.280 Perhaps he was upset about taxes.

00:58:20.280 That doesn't give him the right to kill IRS agents.

00:58:23.620 You cannot do this.

00:58:25.760 It is not just stupid to say, well, of course, if they hadn't been there, they wouldn't have been shot because someone else would have been.

00:58:33.020 The police, the police, it is evil.

00:58:35.980 That is not how it works in the United States.

00:58:39.040 But I think, unfortunately, it is representative of a particular sort of progressive thinking, which holds that if, for whatever reason, you, being the progressive elite, don't like someone, whether that be the deployment of the National Guard in D.C.

00:58:54.600 or ICE performing and enforcing immigration law or, say, Charlie Kirk saying things they didn't like, then it's sort of understandable.

00:59:02.980 They wouldn't go so far as to say it's justified, but it's sort of understandable.

00:59:06.680 And you have to take that into consideration when looking at the story.

00:59:10.220 And Ken Delanian on MS Now, which is formerly MSNBC, he said, well, you want to play it?

00:59:14.940 Because he essentially said this.

00:59:16.980 Let me play it.

00:59:17.620 Here it is.

00:59:18.280 Side 11.

00:59:18.640 But, of course, you know, there's so much controversy happening in the United States right now with ICE, who are also wearing uniforms and wearing masks.

00:59:30.560 And so there's you don't know people walking around with uniforms in an American city.

00:59:39.740 There are some Americans that might object to that.

00:59:42.360 And so apparently this shooting has happened.

00:59:45.420 There are some Americans who might object to that.

00:59:48.560 And so apparently this shooting has happened because people walk around with uniforms there.

00:59:53.040 People might object to it, Charlie.

00:59:55.140 Well, so how dare he say that?

00:59:56.980 How dare he say that?

00:59:57.940 As I say, he's not going to come out and say it was justified or they came close.

01:00:01.420 He's going to hint at it.

01:00:03.040 There are all manner of things that I object to, Megan.

01:00:05.520 I don't like the federal income tax.

01:00:07.720 I didn't like Obamacare.

01:00:09.700 I don't like some of our gun control laws.

01:00:11.940 There's no way Ken Delaney would go on TV and say, well, of course, the president just signed an increase in the tax rate so that an IRS agent was killed.

01:00:22.240 You know, so that happened.

01:00:23.240 There's no way he would say that the HHS department.

01:00:29.720 Right.

01:00:29.880 That's another one for 50 years.

01:00:31.400 Now, of course, there were a few people, a handful on the fringes during the Roe v. Wade era who did target abortion doctors.

01:00:38.600 But do you know what people at National Review said?

01:00:41.380 They said, don't do that.

01:00:42.520 That's murder.

01:00:43.460 Don't do that.

01:00:44.200 That is a fundamental break in the social contract.

01:00:47.220 And Ken Delaney wasn't out there saying, well, yeah, abortions make a lot of people upset.

01:00:52.140 You know, he wasn't saying that.

01:00:53.700 It only works one way, Rich, and it's obvious.

01:00:55.860 And it's like, to me, the difference is between, as a lawyer, cause and fact and proximate cause.

01:01:02.100 You know, if you, if I get into a car accident, God forbid, and hurt somebody, am I the proximate cause of that accident?

01:01:08.960 Maybe.

01:01:09.400 Maybe I am.

01:01:10.260 Is my mom the cause, in fact, of that accident?

01:01:13.800 In a way, if you want to go back that far, she gave birth to me.

01:01:17.960 Like, every, so yeah, President Trump, like, also the, the parents of those two poor National Guardsmen.

01:01:24.660 Yeah, they're, they're to blame.

01:01:25.780 They, they must, they didn't stop them from joining the National Guard.

01:01:28.660 Trump is to blame.

01:01:29.520 He deployed the National Guard.

01:01:31.680 Maybe their coffee maker was to blame because had it not worked that morning, they would have been five minutes late.

01:01:36.740 It's like, you, you don't spend time in the cause and fact place when you're a news person.

01:01:42.440 You talk about the proximate cause of what led to this terrible thing.

01:01:46.020 And, and by anyone's measure, there is one person and one person alone to blame for this.

01:01:52.760 And it's this Afghani guy we brought back here after we pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021.

01:02:00.940 Yeah.

01:02:01.460 And the idea that wearing uniforms is a provocation, all sorts of people wear uniforms, right?

01:02:06.240 You know who else wears, wears uniforms?

01:02:08.200 Cops.

01:02:09.100 Cops are ambushed.

01:02:10.120 Several years ago under de Blasio, there was a cop sitting in his car in Queens and was shot in the head.

01:02:15.580 Are we supposed to say, oh, he shouldn't have parked there?

01:02:17.980 He should, he should have, shouldn't have been in the car?

01:02:20.360 Or those Dallas officers in that awful ambush that, what is, 15, 12 something, shot, a number of them killed.

01:02:27.780 Was it their fault?

01:02:28.900 Should they have not been there?

01:02:29.960 Some people don't like police.

01:02:31.100 Maybe it was their fault.

01:02:32.540 So this, this is hideous stuff.

01:02:35.660 And maybe one effect from this will be that it actually humanizes the National Guard members.

01:02:42.740 They aren't going to these cities cracking heads.

01:02:44.760 They're not some alien force.

01:02:47.220 They're, by and large, young people, upstanding, patriotic, want to do their duty.

01:02:52.280 And what they're doing largely in Washington, D.C. is providing a symbol of public order that no way justifies any act of violence against them, any harassment against them.

01:03:04.160 And, of course, in no way justifies murdering them.

01:03:07.480 So what do we make of this guy?

01:03:09.760 Because I realize a lot of people went to the fact that he was unvetted.

01:03:14.920 There are too many who were let in after the withdrawal who were unvetted.

01:03:18.740 And there were.

01:03:19.800 That's true.

01:03:20.340 But it does not appear that this guy was necessarily one of them because he went through a lot of vetting.

01:03:26.180 And my next guest coming on after you guys is going to walk us through some of that.

01:03:28.900 But even the administration is suggesting they think the guy was radicalized here, here, which is like, oh, jeez, like, great, great, rich.

01:03:43.240 What do we do with that?

01:03:44.200 What do we?

01:03:44.840 So he got here and life was so miserable for him or he had some sort of a break.

01:03:50.880 I don't know.

01:03:51.460 Now we're getting all the articles about how sad he was.

01:03:53.800 I don't really care.

01:03:55.140 Who gives a shit how sad he was?

01:03:56.580 He was a sad terrorist who yelled Allahu Akbar as he took Sarah Beckstrom's life.

01:04:02.120 Boo fucking hoo. 1.00

01:04:04.120 But it is interesting if he got radicalized here because he was a few years earlier helping us and then was yelling Allahu Akbar as he shot two of our service personnel.

01:04:16.620 Yeah.

01:04:17.460 So it's very hard to see how you filter out for this, right?

01:04:21.100 If he either had a mental break or he was radicalized once he was here or a combination of those two.

01:04:28.060 It's very hard to vet for that.

01:04:30.320 And my take, we talked about this before, is we just need fewer numbers.

01:04:33.760 You make fewer mistakes if you're letting fewer people in in the first place.

01:04:38.980 And we should be very cautious about people from alien cultures. 1.00

01:04:42.100 I think there should always be a humanitarian element to our immigration policy.

01:04:45.960 But refugees from, maybe we'll talk a little bit about Minnesota too, you know, from Somalia are going to have a hard time assimilating.

01:04:52.680 It's a totally different culture.

01:04:54.160 Somalia doesn't have anything to do with us.

01:04:55.860 There's no reason we should be giving asylum to those people or that if they're refugees, they shouldn't be going someplace nearby Somalia where they might speak the language or the culture is familiar.

01:05:04.760 And it would be easier for them to go back.

01:05:06.620 That's supposed to be part of the process.

01:05:08.020 You hope refugees eventually return to their native country and it would be much easier for a Minneapolis to assimilate the Somali immigrants if, say, there are 10,000 rather than 80,000. 1.00

01:05:21.840 So I don't think there's an easy answer to this guy's case.

01:05:24.320 At least it doesn't look like there was.

01:05:26.500 You'd hope when we're granting asylum, by the way, that it's not just do you have a fear of persecution back home, which he certainly did.

01:05:34.920 But whether you're sane or not and an upstanding member of the community or not, and with the Trump administration kicking the tires now in the asylum process, you hope that's something they're looking at.

01:05:44.220 Well, there was this group that was monitoring him, Charlie, this like immigration, I don't know what it's called.

01:05:50.140 It's got some long official sounding name, but it wasn't really a governmental organization.

01:05:54.400 It was a left-leaning organization that realized he was suicidal and, as far as I can tell, told no one.

01:06:01.400 It did not, you know, it's problematic because to the points that Rich was just making, you bring these people who have a totally different background, totally different upbringing,

01:06:10.840 who, let's face it, grow up in a place where the jihad is very frequent, common, familiar, and not nearly as frowned upon as it is here.

01:06:19.680 And then you unleash them into the United States, even when they were so-called good guys, with only a left-leaning, bleeding heart, like checking in on them every once in a while.

01:06:29.040 And are we totally shocked that this is what happened?

01:06:32.580 Well, also, although, of course, it is not the case that most people who come here from Islamic countries are radicalized,

01:06:40.120 they are more likely to be radicalized than, say, me, because they come from a background in which the messages they're receiving are normal.

01:06:49.300 If somebody came up to me and started talking about radical Islam, I think I would look at them funny. 1.00

01:06:54.380 Also, you're radicalized on some things, Joe, I just need to do it.

01:06:56.920 That's true.

01:06:57.420 I'm radicalized on the American experiment.

01:07:00.480 The government repayment of student debt.

01:07:02.400 That's right.

01:07:03.160 Kamala Harris.

01:07:03.880 That's right.

01:07:05.000 But I managed to avoid killing anyone in the process.

01:07:07.760 I just wrote very furiously at my keyboard in the grand tradition of American rebels. 0.91

01:07:13.300 But look, it's more difficult to vet people from Afghanistan than it is people from England or Japan or Australia.

01:07:19.680 And that's another thing we have to bear in mind.

01:07:21.700 He may have been vetted.

01:07:22.860 But the information that the federal government was able to look at when I applied to become a permanent resident and then a citizen was comprehensive.

01:07:32.300 Because I came from a stable country in which the bureaucracy and the government have long been fairly competent.

01:07:41.560 And that is true of people from France or from Germany or from Australia or Japan or what you will.

01:07:47.140 It's just not the case for people from the third world. 0.99

01:07:50.240 There aren't many records in failed Islamic states such as Afghanistan.

01:07:54.320 And that is, you know, when we hear the word vetted, that's something we ought to bear in mind.

01:07:59.500 Now, that doesn't mean, of course, you don't let anyone in from anywhere that isn't a Western country.

01:08:04.220 But it does mean you have to have a different approach because you just can't know that the paper trail in an Afghanistan, as opposed to, say, a Germany, is worthwhile.

01:08:16.340 By the way, the name of the group that was supposed to be keeping an eye on him is the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, which sounds so nice and official.

01:08:25.040 But really, it's just some left-leaning group that's supposed to, I guess, ease their way into the country and keep one eye on them.

01:08:30.520 And the person did accurately deduce that he was feeling suicidal, did not accurately deduce that he was feeling homicidal.

01:08:38.340 And if they did, did nothing about it.

01:08:39.780 So what's the point of the group?

01:08:41.380 Not just that, but the guy drove cross-country to commit this murder.

01:08:44.840 It was cold-blooded.

01:08:46.500 And now I'm really kind of sick of the how sad he was stories, but they continue to pop up.

01:08:51.900 He was sad, really sad.

01:08:54.200 You know who else is sad?

01:08:55.320 The family of Andrew Wolfe and Sarah Beckstrom.

01:08:58.120 That's who I have ink and patience for, not this guy's family.

01:09:02.660 All right, I want to keep going now.

01:09:04.600 Trump issued a tweet in response to all this, saying he's basically shutting down these asylum claims.

01:09:10.940 He's going to try to denaturalize people who are naturalized citizens here under Joe Biden's auto pen.

01:09:17.340 He's cutting off immigration from third-world countries.

01:09:20.780 And then you had Kristi Noem get on the air.

01:09:23.720 Do we have that soundbite, you guys?

01:09:24.900 She got on the air last night, was it?

01:09:28.160 Was it the last night, this morning?

01:09:29.260 And she said, no, it was the New York Post reporting, said she wants a, quote, full travel ban on unnamed countries who are flooding the U.S. with dangerous migrants.

01:09:41.560 She wrote on X, I am recommending a full travel ban on every damn country that's been flooding our nation with killers, leeches, and entitlement junkies. 0.73

01:09:49.260 This was after she, quote, just met with the president.

01:09:53.960 So a DHS spokesperson told the Post a list of nations would be announced soon.

01:09:59.460 So a full travel ban, unlike the loser countries. 0.99

01:10:05.340 I don't know exactly.

01:10:08.720 It would probably be the 19 countries they've already listed as countries of concern, a country that go to Charlie's point.

01:10:14.760 If you don't have a functional country or a liable country government on the other end, you can't vet someone, and you're going to have huge visa overstay problems.

01:10:24.220 So I think this kind of pause is appropriate, but, of course, it's going to be depicted as racist.

01:10:29.020 Mark Kelly, our friend Mark Kelly, in that same Meet the Press interview that you played a clip from earlier, said that Trump wants to shut down third-world immigration because he hates brown people.

01:10:38.920 And this is an argument we're going to hear, when actually you could stop all immigration from those 19 countries forevermore, and still the immigration flow into the United States would be overwhelmingly, to use his term, brown.

01:10:51.740 Because most people are coming from Latin America and from Asia, but they always play the race card. 0.99

01:10:58.160 Exactly right.

01:10:58.880 And here, this aired, actually, is this Sot 5, the one from Sky News, guys?

01:11:04.180 Anyways, this is something different.

01:11:08.680 Okay, but this is veteran action founder Mark Lucas, and he's talking about how Afghanis, for example, treat their children and their women.

01:11:19.100 Just to give you one example of how different their culture is from ours, take a listen here, Sot 5. 0.97

01:11:25.380 In Afghanistan, there was a saying that we as Americans have the watches, but the Afghans own the time. 1.00

01:11:34.020 They're very patient.

01:11:35.720 And over the weekend, I was sharing stories of what I witnessed as a platoon leader in Afghanistan 2010.

01:11:41.480 You know, the Afghan elders that I had to conduct key leader engagements with, they had small little boys that were called chai boys, maybe eight or nine years old, who were at every single one of our meetings, giving us tea.

01:11:56.240 And my Afghan interpreter told me that those young boys were sold into sexual slavery, and their parents were willing to sell their children in hopes that they would be able to be sent to Kabul to get a higher education from these elders.

01:12:09.320 But my interpreter proudly told me that many of these young boys would grow up to become men, and they'd come back, and they would kill those elders.

01:12:17.640 But also, the Afghans would beat their women. 0.98

01:12:19.800 They have no respect for women, and I had three strong, brave women attached to my unit. 0.98

01:12:26.320 They were members of my female engagement team, and they all just so happened to be blonde-haired.

01:12:30.900 And we had to constantly protect them from our Afghan allies in the Afghan Border Patrol. 0.89

01:12:36.000 But when we'd go out on a foot patrol, you'd have these sick Afghan men just hover around them. 1.00

01:12:42.500 So I'm trying to warn people that these aren't folks that you want in your neighborhood.

01:12:48.980 I mean, Charlie, I think that's true.

01:12:52.620 I don't think it's necessarily true of everyone in Afghanistan or these third-world countries.

01:12:57.320 But enough that, like, why would we be wanting more immigrants from there? 1.00

01:13:02.060 Look, they're all loser countries. 0.84

01:13:05.740 They're all loser countries.

01:13:07.200 And we know that because we live in a non-loser country.

01:13:10.400 This is one of the strangest things that I hear from people who—

01:13:12.720 We're hot now.

01:13:13.080 Trump says we're hot.

01:13:13.880 We're a hot country.

01:13:14.660 Well, but we are.

01:13:15.740 And we are the greatest country in the world.

01:13:17.780 And we're almost certainly the greatest country that there has ever been.

01:13:21.400 And there are people here from all different places and all different races.

01:13:24.840 And that's great.

01:13:26.680 And I'm an advocate of this.

01:13:28.120 But one of the things that I'm increasingly frustrated by from people who agree with me on this

01:13:34.180 and who do think that immigration can be good and who do believe that America is a propositional nation

01:13:40.060 that doesn't exclude anyone because of the country they were born in,

01:13:44.020 is that if you believe that America is good, you also have to believe that other places aren't.

01:13:49.820 Now, that doesn't mean you think everywhere is terrible and America is the only good country in the world.

01:13:53.700 I'm not asking people to become, you know, Sam the Eagle.

01:13:56.720 But culture obviously matters.

01:13:59.480 And it doesn't grow up from the soil.

01:14:01.980 It's not the case that the moment you arrive in the United States,

01:14:05.220 you're suddenly imbued with all of the presuppositions that make America what it is.

01:14:11.580 You can't have one without the other.

01:14:13.280 You can't believe America is good, uniquely good even, that it has this great creed,

01:14:17.920 and that everywhere else is identical.

01:14:20.080 So we need to be careful about where we bring people in from. 0.93

01:14:23.040 And more to the point, we need to be careful about what we expect from them when we get here.

01:14:28.420 Because if you suddenly replace the population of the United States with the population of other places, 0.79

01:14:33.400 then the United States will become more like those other places unless you very assiduously demand,

01:14:40.360 and that is the word, demand that they conform to America.

01:14:44.820 And the irony, of course, here is that the vast majority of people who live in those other places

01:14:48.760 want to become Americans because of what America is.

01:14:53.000 But that takes a bit of work.

01:14:54.820 It doesn't happen instantly.

01:14:56.080 You pass border control.

01:14:57.620 And we seem unwilling now to do the work.

01:15:00.380 So we say America is a great place, which it is.

01:15:02.340 We say America is a creedal nation, which it is.

01:15:04.340 And then we're not willing to do the work,

01:15:05.980 whether that's at the educational level in schools and universities,

01:15:09.720 whether that's at the immigration level.

01:15:11.720 I mean, you mentioned this organization that went to visit this guy being a left-wing NGO or what you will.

01:15:17.680 There's far too many of those that don't actually like the United States.

01:15:21.040 There was an example three or four years ago of Beto O'Rourke when he was running in Texas.

01:15:25.380 I forget whether it was for Senate or governor.

01:15:27.760 Basically telling a bunch of immigrants as part of a campaign stop that America's history was terrible.

01:15:32.160 Don't do that.

01:15:33.040 Don't do that.

01:15:33.580 That's how you prevent people from assimilating.

01:15:37.160 So I think that we have to accept there are loser countries, there are bad places.

01:15:41.520 And if you want to bring people in from them, which I'm not opposed to completely, 0.55

01:15:44.960 although I think the numbers should be quite small,

01:15:47.160 then you have to have enough social and national self-confidence to say,

01:15:51.020 and if you're coming in, this is how we do it.

01:15:53.060 And you have to get with the program because we're right and you're wrong.

01:15:55.840 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:15:57.760 So instead, we've gotten lectured by the left on multiculturalism, Rich.

01:16:02.260 Yeah, in terms of culture and how enduring it was,

01:16:04.040 I took a couple trips during the war to Afghanistan, Megan.

01:16:07.160 I remember once they were showing us, I think it was at an air base,

01:16:11.560 and the Afghans, when they're eating meat, would come and chop it up on the floor.

01:16:16.900 And our guys, of course, thought that wasn't sanitary.

01:16:19.040 So they built this beautiful facility with all these wonderful countertops.

01:16:22.480 It looked like a kitchen in a cooking show you see on TV.

01:16:26.600 And then, so how do the Afghans use this?

01:16:29.540 Oh, well, they put the meat on the floor and chop it up still, right?

01:16:32.560 So that's just their culture.

01:16:34.100 It's very hard to change.

01:16:35.280 Now, that doesn't mean that all Afghans are bad.

01:16:38.020 And very likely, Afghans will eventually assimilate to the United States 0.97

01:16:41.740 in the second or third generation.

01:16:43.980 But if it's our choice who comes here, why would we choose that

01:16:47.080 if you can actually have people who can assimilate almost instantly,

01:16:50.840 which makes much more sense for our national interest?

01:16:53.380 And just a final point on the one that Charlie made about numbers.

01:16:56.940 Comet Dave Smith, I don't have much use for his foreign policy views,

01:17:00.460 as you might have gathered by things I've written about him,

01:17:03.320 that he was in a debate with libertarians about whether open borders make sense.

01:17:06.920 And he was the anti-position.

01:17:08.900 And he had this hypothetical that I think is really telling,

01:17:12.040 what if there's a nuclear exchange, you know, on the subcontinent,

01:17:15.020 and we had open borders, and everyone in Bangladesh came to the United States

01:17:18.980 just instantly?

01:17:20.160 Would we still be the United States, or would we kind of be Bangladesh?

01:17:23.720 And it's at least, to some extent, the latter.

01:17:27.280 So that's not what you want in your immigration. 0.59

01:17:30.140 Yeah, exactly right.

01:17:31.340 It's well said by Dave, and I totally agree with you.

01:17:34.320 I've got to get to this, just because it's too fun not to with you guys.

01:17:38.580 President Trump had an MRI this week, or last week.

01:17:43.460 And on Monday, the White House released information about it.

01:17:46.160 They said he's fine.

01:17:47.780 He's in, quote, excellent overall health.

01:17:49.940 Presidential physician Dr. Sean Barbabella

01:17:54.080 released a memo describing the October exam, okay, so it was a while ago,

01:17:58.380 as standard, and its findings is perfectly normal.

01:18:01.500 It was basically just a routine, comprehensive, executive, physical.

01:18:05.660 And they took a hard look at him,

01:18:08.320 because he had some of those, like, circulatory issues

01:18:10.860 causing his ankles to swell.

01:18:12.980 In any event, he's fine.

01:18:14.280 But not according to Megan Hayes,

01:18:16.280 who is the former special assistant to President Joe Biden,

01:18:19.560 and director of message planning,

01:18:22.280 who on X Sunday posted the following,

01:18:25.860 it is an undeniable fact.

01:18:28.800 Donald Trump is aging rapidly.

01:18:31.340 It should concern us all.

01:18:34.500 Megan Hayes, you don't know her,

01:18:36.740 maybe necessarily by name,

01:18:38.120 I'm sure the audience doesn't.

01:18:39.620 Maybe this will help

01:18:41.040 as they see what Megan Hayes is known for. 0.82

01:18:44.660 Here's our first video, V1.

01:18:46.180 V1.

01:18:49.560 There's Joe Biden working the rope line.

01:18:52.900 Someone is in an Easter Bunny costume

01:18:54.920 trying to distract him from talking to people.

01:18:58.780 Sending him on his merry way

01:19:00.360 so that he will stop saying inane things.

01:19:04.200 Let's play SOT 17 here.

01:19:06.040 This is, what's this?

01:19:07.740 Easter Bunny scares Biden?

01:19:09.280 Let's see.

01:19:10.480 Oh, it's the SOT version.

01:19:11.660 Okay, let's see.

01:19:16.240 This is her interfering. 1.00

01:19:19.560 He listens and moves right along.

01:19:26.580 And this person, Charlie, Megan Hayes,

01:19:29.460 who's best known for that,

01:19:31.940 would like to lecture us

01:19:33.280 on presidential fitness for office.

01:19:36.820 Yeah, so I think it's worth saying at the outset

01:19:39.520 that President Trump is old,

01:19:41.300 and I personally would quite like it

01:19:43.560 if we stopped electing people who are so old. 0.99

01:19:45.540 But President Trump is showing no signs

01:19:47.660 of being anything close

01:19:49.000 to what Joe Biden had become,

01:19:51.780 well, by the end of,

01:19:53.280 maybe even the middle of,

01:19:54.200 and some of the start of his only term in office.

01:19:57.780 And what's happening here is this.

01:19:59.880 The left got caught

01:20:01.620 covering up Joe Biden's infirmity,

01:20:04.760 and now has decided that it's their turn.

01:20:07.320 And because Donald Trump is also quite old,

01:20:11.560 they want people to say,

01:20:13.700 yeah, Trump is exactly the same.

01:20:16.120 They think they will get to play the same card.

01:20:19.260 But that card was not dealt

01:20:21.220 on the basis of the number

01:20:23.540 of Joe Biden's birth certificate.

01:20:27.060 That card was dealt

01:20:28.460 because it was very obvious

01:20:29.920 that Joe Biden was senile.

01:20:32.280 If Joe Biden had been in the same sort of form

01:20:34.840 that Donald Trump is in,

01:20:36.160 and Donald Trump, it's worth saying,

01:20:37.600 had two parents who lived a long time

01:20:39.140 and did pretty well,

01:20:40.660 then we would never have had that scandal in 2024.

01:20:45.140 But I think what's happened

01:20:46.300 is the Democratic Party

01:20:48.360 and the left has just decided

01:20:50.160 that because Biden had to go through that,

01:20:52.880 then Trump does too.

01:20:54.320 And so they're going to try and speak it,

01:20:56.660 will it into existence

01:20:57.860 when it's just not there.

01:20:59.540 and say that the right wing is ignoring it

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01:21:07.260 it's so obvious and it's a failure.

01:21:09.540 Guys, you are not a failure.

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01:21:15.460 Thanks for having us.

01:21:16.160 Thank you very much.

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01:24:17.620 My next guest is a former Marine

01:24:25.020 who became well-known for his books

01:24:26.920 and essays about war politics

01:24:28.660 and life after combat.

01:24:30.800 Elliot Ackerman served tours in Iraq

01:24:32.840 and Afghanistan during the War on Terror.

01:24:34.540 He also took part in the CIA's Zero Unit,

01:24:38.540 which was created to hunt senior members

01:24:40.520 of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

01:24:42.800 The program's in the headlines this week

01:24:44.320 because the Afghani National,

01:24:46.120 accused of shooting two National Guardsmen

01:24:47.820 in Washington, D.C.,

01:24:48.940 killing one of them,

01:24:50.140 was also a member of Zero Unit.

01:24:53.300 But more recently,

01:24:54.100 Elliot has been writing some beautiful columns

01:24:56.400 over at the Free Press

01:24:58.120 about how to be a good man,

01:25:01.240 something I can attest personally,

01:25:02.780 he is because he is a friend of mine.

01:25:06.080 Elliot, thanks so much for being here.

01:25:08.340 Thanks for having me on, Megan.

01:25:09.320 It's great to see you.

01:25:10.540 Great to see you too.

01:25:11.540 So it's funny

01:25:12.980 because even though we're friends

01:25:13.980 and I adore you

01:25:14.980 and your beautiful wife, Lee,

01:25:16.580 I actually had never,

01:25:18.060 I heard you on Doug's show,

01:25:19.640 my husband Doug Brunt,

01:25:20.840 and his show Dedicated,

01:25:22.320 but I had never read

01:25:24.120 the actual commendation

01:25:26.280 when you were awarded the Silver Star.

01:25:30.180 And I'm so impressed by

01:25:31.400 people who have won,

01:25:33.320 have been awarded

01:25:33.860 like the Bronze Star,

01:25:35.500 Purple Heart,

01:25:36.520 all that.

01:25:36.920 It just really speaks to

01:25:37.960 an extraordinary character.

01:25:39.700 But you not only

01:25:40.660 did five combat tours,

01:25:43.220 five in Iraq and Afghanistan,

01:25:45.140 but were awarded

01:25:46.280 the Silver Star,

01:25:47.300 the Bronze Star for valor,

01:25:48.900 and the Purple Heart,

01:25:50.700 the Silver Star being

01:25:51.560 the third highest

01:25:52.540 military combat decoration.

01:25:54.780 I'm going to read some of this,

01:25:56.000 but let me just say,

01:25:56.700 this is always kind of

01:25:57.420 an interesting experiment.

01:25:58.580 How do you describe

01:26:00.360 the reason you were awarded

01:26:02.160 the Silver Star?

01:26:05.560 Oh, I mean,

01:26:06.380 one of the things

01:26:08.160 that's sort of tricky

01:26:08.840 about these awards

01:26:10.440 is you get awarded

01:26:11.820 for something

01:26:12.480 that is probably,

01:26:13.600 you know,

01:26:13.860 the worst day of your life.

01:26:15.420 They don't hand out

01:26:16.560 those medals

01:26:17.560 when everything goes right

01:26:18.760 on a mission.

01:26:20.320 And oftentimes,

01:26:21.780 it is the,

01:26:23.500 you know,

01:26:23.860 the leader of the unit

01:26:24.960 who is awarded

01:26:25.720 for what everyone else

01:26:26.480 in the unit does.

01:26:27.740 So, you know,

01:26:28.160 I was a platoon commander,

01:26:29.500 a young platoon commander

01:26:30.280 in Fallujah

01:26:30.880 when the events occurred

01:26:32.900 in my Silver Star citation.

01:26:35.580 And a lot of it

01:26:36.700 involved a moment

01:26:37.940 when my platoon was,

01:26:38.920 we were all surrounded

01:26:39.560 in a house together

01:26:40.400 and how we got out

01:26:41.020 of that house.

01:26:41.700 And then another moment

01:26:43.100 included

01:26:43.640 some wounded Marines

01:26:46.060 who we got out

01:26:47.100 of the line of fire.

01:26:49.260 So,

01:26:50.480 those are the events

01:26:51.240 mentioned in the citation.

01:26:52.620 But, you know,

01:26:53.220 those awards are tricky.

01:26:54.040 You read Medal of Honor citations

01:26:56.160 and, you know,

01:26:57.740 those are not happy days

01:26:59.040 that you're reading about.

01:27:00.560 Well, you are, of course,

01:27:02.360 as I knew you would be,

01:27:03.520 too humble to actually

01:27:04.360 talk about what you did.

01:27:05.560 But I am going to tell

01:27:06.240 the audience some of it.

01:27:08.440 Excuse me.

01:27:09.960 Quote,

01:27:10.360 during a ferocious

01:27:11.380 enemy counterattack

01:27:12.420 in the insurgent

01:27:13.200 stronghold of Fallujah

01:27:14.160 with complete disregard

01:27:15.580 for his own safety,

01:27:17.040 Second Lieutenant Ackerman

01:27:17.960 twice exposed himself

01:27:19.020 to vicious enemy fire

01:27:20.160 as he pulled wounded Marines

01:27:21.520 out of the open

01:27:22.640 into shelter.

01:27:24.040 When the amphibious tractors

01:27:25.700 sent to evacuate

01:27:26.620 his wounded men

01:27:27.240 could not locate

01:27:27.840 his position,

01:27:28.740 he once again

01:27:29.400 left the safety

01:27:29.960 of his covered position

01:27:30.780 and rushed through

01:27:31.440 a gauntlet of deadly

01:27:32.380 enemy fire

01:27:33.020 to personally direct

01:27:34.360 the amphibious tractors

01:27:35.420 toward his wounded Marines.

01:27:37.420 On 11 November,

01:27:38.240 as the battle continued,

01:27:39.160 Second Lieutenant Ackerman

01:27:40.080 recognized

01:27:40.840 the exposed position

01:27:42.180 of his Marines

01:27:42.720 on the rooftops

01:27:43.480 and ordered them

01:27:44.420 to seek cover

01:27:45.000 in the buildings below.

01:27:46.620 Shortly afterward,

01:27:47.280 he personally assumed

01:27:48.160 the uncovered rooftop position,

01:27:50.140 prompting a hail

01:27:50.780 of deadly fire

01:27:51.440 from the enemy.

01:27:51.980 With rounds impacting

01:27:53.380 all around him,

01:27:54.060 he coolly employed

01:27:54.900 an M240G machine gun

01:27:58.380 to mark targets

01:27:59.680 for supporting tanks

01:28:00.620 with devastating effects

01:28:01.700 on the enemy.

01:28:02.740 Throughout the battle

01:28:03.400 and despite his own

01:28:04.120 painful shrapnel wounds,

01:28:05.860 he simultaneously

01:28:06.560 directed tank fires,

01:28:08.640 coordinated four separate

01:28:10.280 medical evacuations,

01:28:11.740 and continually attacked

01:28:12.820 with his platoon

01:28:13.520 directly into the heart

01:28:14.900 of the enemy

01:28:15.260 with extreme tenacity.

01:28:17.060 I love this.

01:28:18.580 I love that I'm actually

01:28:19.700 just first hearing

01:28:20.500 this in-depth description

01:28:22.280 of you

01:28:23.560 after having known you

01:28:24.780 for a couple of years.

01:28:26.440 God bless you.

01:28:27.340 Thank you right off the bat

01:28:28.400 for your service.

01:28:29.580 And then you went on

01:28:30.460 to become a writer.

01:28:32.280 So you've been writing books

01:28:33.260 both about the military.

01:28:35.060 So you did five combat tours.

01:28:37.160 You were in Iraq.

01:28:37.980 You were in Afghanistan.

01:28:38.880 You were in the CIA.

01:28:40.580 And yet somehow

01:28:41.620 through all of this,

01:28:43.180 you maintained a sense

01:28:44.400 of fashion,

01:28:45.520 which is a fun thing

01:28:46.380 about you.

01:28:47.020 Straight man,

01:28:48.120 married to a gorgeous,

01:28:49.200 brilliant writer

01:28:49.960 who's also extremely talented,

01:28:52.320 Lee Carpenter.

01:28:53.480 But how do you,

01:28:54.340 how does like a CIA,

01:28:56.360 Marine, Fallujah,

01:28:58.500 Silver Star earning

01:29:00.040 guy like you,

01:29:01.980 not to mention CIA,

01:29:03.240 wind up so fashionable

01:29:05.280 and straight?

01:29:09.100 Well, you know,

01:29:11.020 I don't really consider myself

01:29:12.220 some grand fashionista Megan.

01:29:14.540 I guess I do believe

01:29:17.160 in, you know,

01:29:18.760 being intentional

01:29:19.540 about everything

01:29:20.260 that you do in life.

01:29:22.840 And I actually think

01:29:23.500 that's something

01:29:23.820 that I learned

01:29:24.620 in the Marines.

01:29:25.500 Like you wake up every day

01:29:26.800 and you make decisions,

01:29:28.420 right?

01:29:28.660 You make decisions

01:29:29.220 if you're going to like

01:29:29.760 put on a pair of sweatpants

01:29:30.980 or maybe like,

01:29:31.900 you know,

01:29:32.160 put on some khakis

01:29:33.060 or some nice jeans

01:29:34.060 or something to that effect.

01:29:36.660 So I believe

01:29:38.060 in living with intention.

01:29:38.820 And I think if,

01:29:39.720 you know,

01:29:39.860 you have intention

01:29:40.620 that gives you a direction

01:29:41.520 it's how you achieve goals.

01:29:43.600 So, you know,

01:29:43.900 I'm coming on your show.

01:29:44.740 I could wear a t-shirt

01:29:45.500 or I could have wore

01:29:46.440 my blazer.

01:29:47.360 You know what I mean?

01:29:48.360 Might as well wear my blazer.

01:29:50.220 So I don't consider myself

01:29:52.400 a fashionista.

01:29:53.000 I definitely consider myself

01:29:54.040 someone who tries

01:29:55.360 to pay attention

01:29:56.440 to the small things

01:29:57.520 and live life

01:29:58.440 with intention.

01:29:59.660 And the follow-up

01:30:00.480 is naturally,

01:30:01.180 when are you taking

01:30:02.280 Doug Brunt shopping?

01:30:03.780 When is that happening?

01:30:05.200 Anytime.

01:30:06.080 Anytime.

01:30:07.300 This needs to happen

01:30:08.440 ASAP.

01:30:09.220 You know,

01:30:09.380 Christmas is coming.

01:30:10.320 I'm always very generous.

01:30:11.640 I really,

01:30:12.300 really would love Doug

01:30:13.400 to get some

01:30:13.900 Elliot Ackerman-approved looks.

01:30:14.900 We can back channels

01:30:16.460 for Doug.

01:30:17.540 Okay.

01:30:18.280 So let me ask you

01:30:19.180 about some of the

01:30:19.780 stuff in the news

01:30:20.800 and then we'll talk

01:30:21.260 about your columns

01:30:21.840 because I really love

01:30:22.380 what you're doing

01:30:22.740 at the Free Press.

01:30:25.060 This guy

01:30:25.780 who was part of

01:30:26.960 this same force

01:30:27.600 that you were part of,

01:30:28.240 the Zero Unit,

01:30:29.240 you didn't know him

01:30:29.980 but he was part

01:30:30.460 of the same unit,

01:30:31.740 who now has shot

01:30:32.800 these two National Guard

01:30:34.020 members,

01:30:34.600 killing one of them.

01:30:36.060 Good news

01:30:36.500 on the surviving

01:30:38.240 National Guard member

01:30:39.400 who we hear today

01:30:41.160 has wiggled his toes

01:30:43.360 and may have wiggled his hand

01:30:45.560 or may have given

01:30:46.000 a thumbs up

01:30:46.640 so that's encouraging.

01:30:49.660 You wrote an interesting piece

01:30:51.940 about this guy too

01:30:53.880 suggesting,

01:30:54.760 look,

01:30:55.320 this is not a good one.

01:30:57.080 He was vetted

01:30:57.920 but we don't throw away

01:31:00.240 all of the Afghani nationals

01:31:03.540 we took after 2021

01:31:04.740 just because this guy

01:31:06.320 was bad

01:31:07.240 and right now

01:31:07.900 I think most people

01:31:08.480 are in the mindset

01:31:09.220 of yes,

01:31:10.220 we do.

01:31:10.920 We're not taking

01:31:11.700 any chances.

01:31:12.820 They don't share

01:31:13.220 our culture.

01:31:14.500 One false start,

01:31:15.480 they're all out of here.

01:31:16.780 You make a compelling case

01:31:17.800 that not so fast.

01:31:19.540 Explain.

01:31:21.500 Well,

01:31:22.200 when I worked

01:31:23.400 in the Zero Units,

01:31:25.140 our mission was

01:31:26.400 we went after

01:31:27.300 very high level

01:31:28.420 Taliban 0.97

01:31:28.900 and Al-Qaeda leadership.

01:31:30.640 I remember

01:31:30.900 the first day

01:31:31.720 I showed up

01:31:32.160 on the Zero Unit,

01:31:32.920 literally the first night

01:31:33.840 working with that unit,

01:31:34.620 I went after 0.70

01:31:35.120 a top 10

01:31:35.760 Al-Qaeda target,

01:31:37.200 a very bad guy

01:31:38.340 in the Korengal Valley

01:31:39.760 and standing next to me

01:31:41.400 on that mission

01:31:42.000 it was basically

01:31:42.640 there were like

01:31:43.140 three Americans

01:31:43.860 and 250 Afghans

01:31:46.060 and we got that guy

01:31:46.980 that night

01:31:47.440 and we worked

01:31:49.080 long-time members

01:31:50.040 of SEAL Team 6,

01:31:51.080 the U.S. Army Rangers

01:31:52.020 and what happened

01:31:54.820 in D.C.

01:31:55.380 is inexcusable,

01:31:57.720 completely unacceptable

01:31:58.920 and I understand

01:32:01.220 for most Americans

01:32:01.980 it's sort of an abstraction.

01:32:03.280 They have no idea

01:32:03.840 what the Zero Units are

01:32:04.780 and something

01:32:05.060 they're in the headlines

01:32:05.880 and that can be

01:32:06.500 that can be scary

01:32:07.700 but from someone

01:32:09.200 who spent time

01:32:09.960 in those units

01:32:10.520 I'll tell you

01:32:10.900 my war buddies

01:32:12.640 many of them

01:32:13.580 are Afghans

01:32:14.960 and we did everything

01:32:16.360 that I did

01:32:17.440 with the Marines

01:32:18.380 you mentioned

01:32:18.840 in that citation

01:32:19.580 we fought together

01:32:20.580 we bled

01:32:21.520 beside one another

01:32:22.540 and many of those Afghans

01:32:24.460 died

01:32:25.060 and they died

01:32:26.420 not because they wanted

01:32:27.300 to live

01:32:27.900 in a backward-facing

01:32:29.680 Afghanistan

01:32:30.600 that included practices

01:32:32.640 like Batchabazi 1.00

01:32:34.380 and the Chai Boys 0.71

01:32:35.240 which I listened

01:32:36.080 to your previous segment

01:32:37.000 they wanted to live

01:32:38.240 in Afghanistan

01:32:38.860 that's forward-looking

01:32:40.440 and different

01:32:41.100 and that didn't work

01:32:44.540 so does that mean

01:32:45.880 we should open

01:32:46.400 the floodgates

01:32:46.960 to every single person

01:32:47.940 in Afghanistan

01:32:48.440 who wants to come here?

01:32:49.220 No, I wouldn't argue that

01:32:50.600 but I think

01:32:51.380 when you look at

01:32:51.960 a number of these

01:32:52.580 members of the Zero Units

01:32:53.800 and some of whom

01:32:54.680 are already U.S. citizens

01:32:56.120 and in this country

01:32:58.360 contributing to this country

01:32:59.720 let's not make

01:33:01.260 the mistake

01:33:02.000 of being completely

01:33:03.440 categorical

01:33:04.480 in our thinking

01:33:05.760 because that's not

01:33:07.620 what we've done

01:33:08.220 historically

01:33:08.820 as a nation

01:33:09.720 I mean, listen

01:33:10.540 my people came here

01:33:11.680 more than 100 years ago

01:33:13.540 from Ukraine

01:33:14.700 and we were basically

01:33:15.800 shuttle Jews 1.00

01:33:16.760 and we came off the boat

01:33:18.060 and I have the photos

01:33:18.840 of my family

01:33:19.440 like we did not look

01:33:20.500 very American

01:33:21.140 by 1900 standards

01:33:22.480 so I just think

01:33:24.120 you know, there's a real

01:33:25.400 conversation going on

01:33:26.280 in this country

01:33:26.760 about immigration

01:33:27.620 I think that's a

01:33:28.640 it's a worthy conversation

01:33:30.680 you know

01:33:32.180 administration's administration

01:33:33.580 it does not seem

01:33:34.380 like this is an issue

01:33:35.040 that we've gotten right

01:33:35.960 but I'll tell you

01:33:37.440 right now

01:33:37.900 there are

01:33:38.660 a bunch of Afghans

01:33:40.080 who fought long

01:33:41.260 and hard

01:33:41.720 against our enemies

01:33:42.740 that I know personally

01:33:44.420 you know

01:33:45.700 who are

01:33:46.480 afraid right now

01:33:48.200 to be in America

01:33:49.440 and

01:33:50.260 you know

01:33:51.220 I just think

01:33:52.280 as a people

01:33:52.920 we are typically

01:33:54.240 a generous

01:33:55.220 and a welcoming people

01:33:57.200 we are also

01:33:58.500 you know

01:33:58.980 a reasonable people

01:33:59.940 so I don't

01:34:00.480 again

01:34:00.740 I'm not making an argument

01:34:01.580 for some

01:34:02.120 categorical reception

01:34:03.680 of everyone

01:34:04.240 who wants to leave

01:34:04.820 Afghanistan

01:34:05.320 for a lot of these people

01:34:06.860 folks who fought

01:34:07.580 in the zero units

01:34:08.240 votes who fought

01:34:09.000 in other units

01:34:10.040 who bled for American 0.55

01:34:11.020 principles

01:34:11.500 I'd encourage all of us

01:34:12.560 just take a beat

01:34:13.960 before we make

01:34:15.860 big sweeping statements

01:34:17.400 about entire groups

01:34:18.560 fair enough

01:34:20.200 fair enough

01:34:20.600 it's good to get

01:34:21.060 the other side

01:34:21.620 because

01:34:21.940 when something like

01:34:23.040 this happens

01:34:23.520 I think many of us

01:34:24.960 feel like

01:34:25.340 just get them out

01:34:26.280 we got enough

01:34:26.940 problems of our own

01:34:27.700 we don't have to

01:34:28.640 inherit others

01:34:29.240 but

01:34:29.500 you and other

01:34:30.560 service members

01:34:31.280 I know

01:34:31.600 have pointed out

01:34:32.100 some of these guys

01:34:32.880 actually really were

01:34:33.820 critical to the fight

01:34:35.060 and to saving

01:34:35.560 American lives

01:34:36.380 and it's not that simple

01:34:37.880 to just say

01:34:38.440 now get out

01:34:39.260 we owe them

01:34:40.420 more than that

01:34:41.180 and it's not all of them

01:34:42.080 but it's a fair amount

01:34:43.620 of them

01:34:43.840 so we gotta be careful

01:34:44.640 if we didn't do

01:34:45.440 the screening on the way in

01:34:46.280 we definitely need to

01:34:47.200 do the screening

01:34:47.740 before we send them out

01:34:49.600 okay

01:34:50.740 now you've been

01:34:52.700 writing about

01:34:53.720 how to be a man

01:34:55.500 and this is an

01:34:57.140 important subject

01:34:57.820 you are a man

01:34:59.500 you have children

01:35:00.820 who will be men

01:35:01.760 and you've been

01:35:03.480 thinking about it

01:35:03.940 I'm sure the same way

01:35:04.700 we've all been

01:35:05.260 thinking about it

01:35:05.920 because we're having

01:35:06.500 a crisis with young

01:35:07.540 men in this country

01:35:08.240 the left calls it

01:35:10.040 toxic masculinity 0.68

01:35:11.440 that's a lie

01:35:12.640 that's not what's

01:35:13.460 happening here

01:35:14.060 what I see on the right

01:35:15.640 is sort of a

01:35:17.040 generation of lost

01:35:17.760 boys

01:35:18.080 who have been

01:35:20.100 blamed for everything

01:35:21.100 for everything

01:35:21.900 by the left

01:35:22.520 and that seeps

01:35:23.380 into their

01:35:23.800 K-12 education

01:35:25.000 they hear similar

01:35:26.160 when they go off

01:35:26.640 to college

01:35:27.080 they don't get into

01:35:28.120 the best colleges

01:35:28.740 anymore

01:35:29.040 because especially

01:35:29.940 if they're white

01:35:30.480 they're the last

01:35:31.440 people that

01:35:32.160 college administrators

01:35:33.180 want to see

01:35:33.580 on their campuses

01:35:34.140 they don't get

01:35:35.100 the jobs

01:35:35.480 that they used

01:35:35.940 to

01:35:36.220 but they still

01:35:37.120 have the same

01:35:37.520 financial pressures

01:35:38.360 as being head

01:35:39.220 of household

01:35:39.600 and so on

01:35:40.140 and this can all

01:35:41.340 lead to a

01:35:42.120 depressive cycle

01:35:42.920 not to mention

01:35:43.580 the influence

01:35:44.100 of the iPhone

01:35:45.200 gaming

01:35:46.800 social media

01:35:48.060 and all the rest

01:35:49.220 of it

01:35:49.400 so why did you

01:35:50.520 begin this series

01:35:51.580 over at the free press

01:35:52.460 you know

01:35:55.000 I don't really

01:35:57.480 consider myself

01:35:58.060 I'm not really

01:35:58.560 a creature

01:35:59.060 necessarily of the

01:36:00.240 right or the left

01:36:01.220 I kind of roam

01:36:01.780 around in my

01:36:02.980 opinions

01:36:03.400 but I'm going

01:36:03.800 to use some

01:36:04.420 of the language

01:36:05.040 that I consider

01:36:05.680 is kind of

01:36:06.200 the language

01:36:06.960 of the left

01:36:07.980 and so much

01:36:08.720 as the left

01:36:09.140 for a long time

01:36:09.720 has talked about

01:36:10.440 you know that

01:36:11.800 you know how

01:36:12.560 marginalized groups

01:36:13.440 they need

01:36:13.860 to be seen

01:36:15.000 they need

01:36:15.640 representation

01:36:16.240 and I actually

01:36:18.220 I really believe

01:36:19.180 that across categories

01:36:20.080 I think like

01:36:20.600 children in particular

01:36:21.480 no matter who

01:36:22.060 you are

01:36:22.500 like you need

01:36:23.160 to have an

01:36:23.900 adult in your

01:36:24.600 life who you

01:36:25.300 can look at

01:36:25.780 and say

01:36:26.080 I want to be

01:36:27.160 like that person

01:36:28.100 or you need

01:36:28.800 teachers in your

01:36:29.540 lives to speak

01:36:30.740 with you

01:36:31.180 with intention

01:36:31.880 about your

01:36:32.580 identity

01:36:33.020 I think that

01:36:34.580 is all really

01:36:35.020 important for

01:36:35.420 young people

01:36:35.880 but guess what

01:36:36.780 that's also

01:36:38.040 important for

01:36:38.780 just sort of

01:36:39.340 you know

01:36:39.740 straight young 0.98

01:36:41.260 boys

01:36:41.880 who maybe

01:36:43.620 are pretty

01:36:44.180 vanilla

01:36:44.660 in their

01:36:45.460 interests

01:36:45.800 like they like

01:36:46.380 maybe they like

01:36:47.060 just sports

01:36:47.900 and you know

01:36:48.860 and action movies

01:36:50.100 and I think

01:36:51.320 for a while

01:36:52.000 you know

01:36:53.540 young people

01:36:55.260 who've been

01:36:56.100 just sort of

01:36:56.620 more traditionally

01:36:57.760 masculine

01:36:59.080 the only word

01:37:00.660 that is attached

01:37:01.220 to that word

01:37:01.580 masculine

01:37:02.000 is toxic

01:37:02.880 and we don't

01:37:03.420 talk about

01:37:03.860 all the great

01:37:04.940 things that come

01:37:05.600 with being

01:37:06.000 masculine

01:37:06.440 and how to

01:37:07.400 be a good

01:37:07.860 man

01:37:08.160 and oh by

01:37:08.840 the way

01:37:09.260 if you're

01:37:09.860 you know

01:37:10.080 if you're

01:37:10.780 a feminist

01:37:12.280 like there's

01:37:13.560 nothing better

01:37:14.640 for the feminist

01:37:15.360 movement than

01:37:15.960 creating good

01:37:16.680 men

01:37:16.980 you don't want

01:37:17.520 to inherit

01:37:17.980 a bunch of

01:37:18.460 lost boys

01:37:19.060 who become

01:37:19.440 lost men

01:37:20.080 because that's

01:37:20.660 bad across

01:37:21.580 categories

01:37:22.180 not just

01:37:22.920 for those

01:37:23.480 men

01:37:24.140 so I have

01:37:27.120 an interest

01:37:27.440 in this

01:37:27.680 just as

01:37:28.080 you know

01:37:28.580 the father

01:37:29.420 of three

01:37:29.760 boys

01:37:30.200 is that okay

01:37:31.560 how do I

01:37:32.040 speak to my

01:37:32.580 boys about

01:37:33.200 the adults

01:37:33.980 they're going

01:37:34.340 to be

01:37:34.640 and the adults

01:37:35.140 they're going

01:37:35.380 to be

01:37:35.540 are going

01:37:35.760 to be

01:37:35.940 men

01:37:36.600 and for

01:37:37.840 me

01:37:38.080 it's this

01:37:38.460 idea of

01:37:38.780 just intention

01:37:39.400 and oftentimes

01:37:40.700 just starting

01:37:41.280 with the

01:37:41.560 small things

01:37:42.120 like you

01:37:42.920 know

01:37:43.100 how do

01:37:43.600 you tie

01:37:43.900 a tie

01:37:44.340 you know

01:37:44.960 how do

01:37:45.340 you introduce

01:37:46.160 yourself

01:37:46.500 to someone

01:37:47.040 how do

01:37:47.900 you know

01:37:48.420 you ask

01:37:48.640 me why

01:37:49.040 you know

01:37:49.340 why do

01:37:49.560 I dress

01:37:49.900 nicely

01:37:50.180 that same

01:37:50.620 thing

01:37:50.820 it's like

01:37:51.180 making little

01:37:52.100 decisions

01:37:52.480 about how

01:37:52.880 you're going

01:37:53.140 to be

01:37:53.320 in this

01:37:53.580 world

01:37:53.820 and those

01:37:54.100 little

01:37:54.260 decisions

01:37:54.720 are cumulative

01:37:56.020 but we

01:37:56.720 haven't been

01:37:57.200 having much

01:37:57.640 of a deliberate

01:37:58.100 conversation

01:37:58.760 with that

01:37:59.300 and speaking

01:38:00.120 or you know

01:38:01.160 seeing to

01:38:02.160 use that

01:38:02.540 word

01:38:02.800 our young

01:38:03.180 boys

01:38:03.480 for a

01:38:03.780 while

01:38:03.960 so I

01:38:04.280 think

01:38:04.440 the spirit

01:38:05.020 of this

01:38:05.340 of this

01:38:06.120 is just

01:38:06.440 to like

01:38:06.780 see those

01:38:07.360 young men

01:38:07.840 by offering

01:38:08.500 them

01:38:08.860 little

01:38:09.840 bits

01:38:10.100 of

01:38:10.220 advice

01:38:10.660 and the

01:38:11.100 series

01:38:11.420 is titled

01:38:11.900 you know

01:38:12.260 a man

01:38:12.620 should

01:38:12.840 know

01:38:13.160 because

01:38:13.480 in my

01:38:13.800 life

01:38:14.020 I had

01:38:14.260 so many

01:38:14.560 people

01:38:14.760 teach me

01:38:15.120 things

01:38:15.460 at the

01:38:15.940 end of

01:38:16.140 giving

01:38:16.240 my lesson

01:38:16.660 they just

01:38:16.860 like

01:38:17.000 no you

01:38:17.380 know

01:38:17.520 a man

01:38:17.860 should

01:38:18.000 know

01:38:18.120 how to

01:38:18.300 do

01:38:18.420 that

01:38:18.640 and

01:38:19.300 that's

01:38:19.540 all I'm

01:38:19.760 saying

01:38:19.980 you're

01:38:20.440 a man

01:38:20.640 you should

01:38:20.840 know

01:38:20.940 how to

01:38:21.100 do

01:38:21.200 some

01:38:21.340 of

01:38:21.420 these

01:38:21.540 things

01:38:21.820 yeah

01:38:22.660 like

01:38:23.120 tell a story

01:38:24.300 about your

01:38:24.580 watch

01:38:24.920 oh sure

01:38:27.040 so

01:38:27.340 so this

01:38:28.480 is my

01:38:28.800 this watch

01:38:29.600 of mine

01:38:30.000 I've had

01:38:30.400 this watch

01:38:30.960 for 20

01:38:31.920 years

01:38:32.400 I was

01:38:35.040 on

01:38:36.380 deployment

01:38:36.900 in

01:38:37.660 2006

01:38:38.780 with the

01:38:39.520 marines

01:38:39.940 and

01:38:41.020 we were

01:38:41.480 in the

01:38:41.660 mediterranean

01:38:42.220 sea

01:38:42.720 and

01:38:43.640 Israel

01:38:44.300 had

01:38:44.700 invaded

01:38:45.200 Lebanon

01:38:46.220 and

01:38:47.180 we were

01:38:47.760 in charge

01:38:48.120 of evacuating

01:38:48.860 all the

01:38:49.360 American

01:38:49.700 citizens

01:38:50.280 out of

01:38:50.780 Beirut

01:38:51.260 and that

01:38:52.260 sounds a lot

01:38:52.720 more exciting

01:38:53.260 than it

01:38:53.520 was

01:38:53.740 it basically

01:38:54.080 meant we

01:38:54.320 were just

01:38:54.540 sitting on

01:38:54.940 the ships

01:38:55.360 doing circles

01:38:56.040 for a couple

01:38:56.580 of months

01:38:56.980 and one

01:38:57.920 of my

01:38:58.120 friends

01:38:58.360 on that

01:38:58.640 ship

01:38:58.820 was a

01:38:59.140 fighter

01:38:59.600 pilot

01:38:59.980 and

01:39:00.540 if you

01:39:01.660 or any

01:39:01.900 of your

01:39:02.120 listeners

01:39:02.460 have

01:39:02.660 met

01:39:02.800 fighter

01:39:03.040 pilots

01:39:03.360 they're

01:39:03.580 usually

01:39:04.240 pretty

01:39:04.520 reliably

01:39:05.000 watch

01:39:05.740 guys

01:39:06.140 and he

01:39:06.680 kind

01:39:06.860 of

01:39:06.940 got

01:39:07.140 me

01:39:07.340 into

01:39:07.740 watches

01:39:08.740 and

01:39:09.500 looking

01:39:09.740 at

01:39:09.940 watches

01:39:10.360 and

01:39:11.080 I

01:39:11.560 was

01:39:11.740 making

01:39:12.280 some

01:39:12.540 money

01:39:12.740 I

01:39:12.860 was

01:39:12.960 a

01:39:13.080 young

01:39:13.220 single

01:39:13.520 guy

01:39:13.860 and

01:39:14.000 my

01:39:14.380 pay

01:39:14.880 was

01:39:15.060 tax

01:39:15.360 free

01:39:15.680 and

01:39:16.840 I

01:39:17.520 had

01:39:17.660 just

01:39:17.800 come

01:39:18.020 from

01:39:18.260 Iraq

01:39:18.700 actually

01:39:19.120 and

01:39:19.760 I

01:39:19.940 started

01:39:20.120 thinking

01:39:20.380 I

01:39:20.600 really

01:39:20.800 wish

01:39:21.040 I

01:39:21.140 had

01:39:21.180 a

01:39:21.420 better

01:39:21.620 watch

01:39:21.980 than

01:39:22.120 something

01:39:22.400 that

01:39:22.580 I

01:39:22.700 could

01:39:22.840 pass

01:39:23.420 down

01:39:23.700 would

01:39:23.880 be

01:39:24.000 a

01:39:24.100 little

01:39:24.220 bit

01:39:24.360 of

01:39:24.500 an

01:39:24.660 heirloom

01:39:25.140 to

01:39:25.280 my

01:39:25.460 kids

01:39:25.780 so

01:39:26.540 I

01:39:26.800 took

01:39:27.060 my

01:39:27.420 pay

01:39:27.920 from

01:39:28.100 that

01:39:28.260 deployment

01:39:28.680 when

01:39:29.500 we

01:39:29.600 were

01:39:29.700 at

01:39:29.860 sea

01:39:30.100 and

01:39:30.280 we

01:39:30.420 pulled

01:39:30.660 into

01:39:30.820 port

01:39:31.060 we

01:39:31.220 pulled

01:39:31.380 into

01:39:31.560 Dubai

01:39:32.160 and

01:39:32.700 I

01:39:32.760 went

01:39:32.880 to

01:39:33.000 a

01:39:33.120 mall

01:39:33.360 and

01:39:33.800 I

01:39:34.700 bought

01:39:34.980 this

01:39:35.160 watch

01:39:35.480 it's

01:39:35.600 a

01:39:36.480 Rolex

01:39:36.900 Explorer

01:39:37.440 2

01:39:37.820 and

01:39:38.680 I

01:39:38.780 worn

01:39:39.020 this

01:39:39.220 watch

01:39:39.520 on

01:39:39.800 my

01:39:40.020 wrist

01:39:40.340 every

01:39:40.880 day

01:39:41.180 for

01:39:41.560 20

01:39:41.860 years

01:39:42.180 and

01:39:43.600 what

01:39:43.740 does

01:39:43.860 it

01:39:44.000 do

01:39:44.680 for

01:39:44.860 you

01:39:45.040 you

01:39:47.120 know

01:39:47.340 it

01:39:47.740 to

01:39:48.400 me

01:39:48.760 it's

01:39:49.140 about

01:39:49.480 it's

01:39:49.720 less

01:39:49.860 about

01:39:50.060 the

01:39:50.200 watch

01:39:50.460 it's

01:39:50.620 just

01:39:50.740 about

01:39:50.920 having

01:39:51.180 something

01:39:51.540 that

01:39:51.860 you

01:39:52.300 carry

01:39:53.000 with

01:39:53.280 you

01:39:53.580 every

01:39:53.900 day

01:39:54.320 and

01:39:54.760 you

01:39:54.940 imbue

01:39:55.320 it

01:39:55.480 with

01:39:55.640 value

01:39:56.080 and

01:39:56.340 it's

01:39:56.500 something

01:39:56.720 that

01:39:56.920 can

01:39:57.080 be

01:39:57.340 passed

01:39:57.780 down

01:39:58.220 so

01:39:59.260 I

01:39:59.700 wore

01:40:00.000 this

01:40:00.540 watch

01:40:00.760 in

01:40:00.860 Afghanistan

01:40:01.320 I

01:40:02.420 work

01:40:02.720 as

01:40:02.940 a

01:40:03.180 journalist

01:40:03.780 I've

01:40:04.020 covered

01:40:04.200 the

01:40:04.340 wars

01:40:04.520 in

01:40:04.700 Syria

01:40:05.060 and

01:40:05.280 Ukraine

01:40:05.780 this

01:40:06.180 watch

01:40:06.340 was

01:40:06.480 on

01:40:06.600 my

01:40:06.760 wrist

01:40:06.960 then

01:40:07.300 it

01:40:07.680 was

01:40:07.800 on

01:40:07.920 my

01:40:08.060 wrist

01:40:08.240 the

01:40:08.400 day

01:40:08.600 my

01:40:08.800 children

01:40:09.060 were

01:40:09.300 born

01:40:09.660 it

01:40:09.900 was

01:40:19.140 to

01:40:19.520 my

01:40:20.460 son

01:40:20.840 and

01:40:22.220 then

01:40:22.560 buy

01:40:23.260 myself

01:40:23.580 another

01:40:23.840 watch

01:40:24.200 but

01:40:24.940 I

01:40:25.020 think

01:40:25.180 it's

01:40:25.380 about

01:40:25.760 creating

01:40:26.300 meaning

01:40:26.720 in

01:40:27.180 some

01:40:27.400 of

01:40:27.520 the

01:40:27.620 things

01:40:27.840 that

01:40:27.980 we

01:40:28.080 have

01:40:28.320 in

01:40:28.440 creating

01:40:28.820 traditions

01:40:29.720 and

01:40:30.000 that's

01:40:30.200 something

01:40:30.520 I

01:40:31.480 think

01:40:31.620 anyone

01:40:31.880 should

01:40:32.100 know

01:40:32.220 how

01:40:32.360 to

01:40:32.480 do

01:40:32.580 certainly

01:40:34.740 also

01:40:36.500 there

01:40:36.820 was

01:40:37.000 a

01:40:37.100 piece

01:40:37.320 about

01:40:37.700 was

01:40:38.220 it

01:40:38.380 I'm

01:40:38.740 trying

01:40:38.860 to

01:40:38.940 remember

01:40:39.100 whether

01:40:39.280 it

01:40:39.420 was

01:40:39.520 the

01:40:39.680 specific

01:40:40.300 letter

01:40:41.040 writing

01:40:41.440 or

01:40:41.760 thank

01:40:42.120 you

01:40:42.300 writing

01:40:42.680 one

01:40:43.300 or

01:40:43.420 both

01:40:43.660 or

01:40:44.540 the

01:40:44.980 combination

01:40:45.780 I

01:40:47.340 just

01:40:47.520 wrote

01:40:47.680 a piece

01:40:47.980 last

01:40:48.240 week

01:40:48.500 it

01:40:49.300 was

01:40:49.420 really

01:40:49.960 about

01:40:50.120 how

01:40:50.220 to

01:40:50.320 say

01:40:50.460 thank

01:40:50.740 you

01:40:50.940 to

01:40:51.320 someone

01:40:51.740 and

01:40:53.060 little

01:40:53.540 gestures

01:40:54.080 that

01:40:54.600 we

01:40:54.800 can

01:40:54.960 engage

01:40:55.280 in

01:40:55.480 so

01:40:55.880 my

01:40:57.240 wife

01:40:57.520 and

01:40:57.660 I

01:40:57.820 had

01:40:58.180 some

01:40:58.900 friends

01:40:59.160 over

01:40:59.500 for

01:41:00.180 dinner

01:41:00.620 this

01:41:01.280 was

01:41:01.380 a

01:41:01.500 couple

01:41:01.680 of

01:41:01.820 years

01:41:02.040 ago

01:41:02.360 and

01:41:02.620 one

01:41:02.780 of

01:41:02.880 our

01:41:03.040 guests

01:41:03.520 just

01:41:03.980 afterwards

01:41:05.160 sent

01:41:05.440 along

01:41:05.880 a

01:41:06.380 thank

01:41:08.100 you

01:41:08.240 note

01:41:08.440 that

01:41:08.840 he

01:41:08.960 had

01:41:09.120 printed

01:41:09.380 out

01:41:09.660 on

01:41:09.820 a

01:41:09.920 piece

01:41:10.080 of

01:41:10.200 stationery

01:41:10.720 just

01:41:10.960 talking

01:41:11.260 about

01:41:11.400 the

01:41:11.520 evening

01:41:11.760 and

01:41:11.920 how

01:41:12.040 lovely

01:41:12.280 it

01:41:12.420 was

01:41:12.620 and

01:41:12.720 I

01:41:21.820 was

01:41:21.900 sort

01:41:22.020 of

01:41:22.420 sending

01:41:22.640 someone

01:41:23.000 a

01:41:23.300 text

01:41:23.580 after

01:41:23.900 seeing

01:41:24.240 them

01:41:24.620 or

01:41:24.980 an

01:41:25.760 email

01:41:26.140 and

01:41:26.680 I'm

01:41:26.820 just

01:41:26.940 writing

01:41:27.540 a

01:41:27.820 follow

01:41:28.060 up

01:41:28.220 thank

01:41:28.440 you

01:41:28.560 note

01:41:28.800 and

01:41:29.480 I've

01:41:30.260 just

01:41:30.480 really

01:41:31.720 been

01:41:32.180 impressed

01:41:33.320 by how

01:41:33.600 meaningful

01:41:33.900 it is

01:41:34.240 and how

01:41:34.440 meaningful

01:41:34.680 it's

01:41:34.860 been

01:41:34.940 for

01:41:35.080 me

01:41:35.320 when

01:41:35.780 I

01:41:35.900 receive

01:41:36.200 those

01:41:36.440 notes

01:41:36.700 because

01:41:36.920 there's

01:41:37.100 something

01:41:37.280 you

01:41:37.560 can

01:41:37.700 hold

01:41:37.920 on

01:41:38.140 to

01:41:38.280 I

01:41:38.560 save

01:41:38.860 letters

01:41:39.260 so

01:41:40.200 I

01:41:40.260 think

01:41:40.360 little

01:41:40.540 gestures

01:41:40.880 like

01:41:41.140 that

01:41:41.380 make

01:41:41.760 quite

01:41:42.260 the

01:41:42.420 difference

01:41:42.800 I

01:41:43.020 mean

01:41:43.120 and

01:41:43.240 you

01:41:43.340 know

01:41:43.440 my

01:41:43.840 wife

01:41:44.160 she's

01:41:44.420 the

01:41:44.540 queen 0.69

01:41:45.080 of

01:41:45.320 the

01:41:45.520 thank

01:41:46.040 you

01:41:46.200 notes

01:41:46.460 slash

01:41:46.760 gift

01:41:47.060 she's

01:41:47.400 the

01:41:48.160 queen 0.69

01:41:48.380 of

01:41:48.520 the

01:41:48.640 thank

01:41:48.880 you

01:41:49.020 gift

01:41:49.280 that's

01:41:49.580 why

01:41:49.680 you're

01:41:50.100 never

01:41:50.260 coming

01:41:50.500 over

01:41:50.720 again

01:41:51.040 because

01:41:51.400 these

01:41:52.220 gifts

01:41:52.440 are

01:41:52.580 so

01:41:52.760 amazing

01:41:53.160 that

01:41:53.380 say

01:41:53.560 thank

01:41:53.800 you

01:41:53.880 I'm

01:41:54.000 like

01:41:54.120 I

01:41:54.280 can

01:41:54.660 never

01:41:54.840 live up

01:41:55.120 to

01:41:55.220 this

01:41:55.380 all

01:41:55.640 I

01:41:55.800 ever

01:41:55.940 do

01:41:56.160 send

01:41:56.340 a

01:41:56.460 text

01:41:56.760 she

01:41:57.280 not

01:41:57.440 only

01:41:57.580 does

01:41:58.000 she

01:41:58.100 send

01:41:58.260 you

01:41:58.340 a

01:41:58.460 gift

01:41:58.640 she

01:41:59.000 a

01:41:59.480 really

01:41:59.680 clever

01:42:12.260 by

01:42:12.380 men

01:42:12.640 some

01:42:12.840 of

01:42:12.940 them

01:42:13.060 are

01:42:13.200 but

01:42:13.320 some

01:42:13.480 of

01:42:13.540 they

01:42:13.640 aren't

01:42:13.860 and

01:42:13.980 the

01:42:14.180 piece

01:42:14.760 on

01:42:14.920 thank

01:42:15.140 you

01:42:15.240 notes

01:42:15.460 is

01:42:15.820 one

01:42:16.100 I

01:42:16.380 largely

01:42:16.660 attribute

01:42:17.000 to

01:42:17.140 things

01:42:17.320 my

01:42:17.620 wife

01:42:17.840 has

01:42:17.960 taught

01:42:18.140 me

01:42:18.340 so

01:42:19.980 what

01:42:20.820 else

01:42:21.060 should

01:42:21.300 a

01:42:21.400 man

01:42:21.560 know

01:42:21.780 I

01:42:21.940 mean

01:42:22.100 you

01:42:22.460 you

01:42:23.400 have

01:42:23.640 a

01:42:23.780 challenge

01:42:24.140 in

01:42:24.380 today's

01:42:24.680 day

01:42:24.820 and age

01:42:25.100 of

01:42:25.240 imbuing

01:42:25.740 the

01:42:26.320 toughness

01:42:26.680 of

01:42:26.840 a

01:42:26.960 marine

01:42:27.380 but

01:42:28.420 the

01:42:28.800 I

01:42:30.240 don't

01:42:30.400 know

01:42:30.560 I

01:42:30.660 don't

01:42:30.720 want

01:42:30.820 to

01:42:30.880 say

01:42:31.000 softness

01:42:31.500 but

01:42:31.700 let's

01:42:31.980 say

01:42:32.140 tenderness

01:42:32.820 of

01:42:33.520 a

01:42:33.660 man

01:42:34.040 that

01:42:34.720 a

01:42:34.840 woman 0.99

01:42:35.040 would

01:42:35.240 want

01:42:35.440 to

01:42:35.520 be

01:42:35.660 with

01:42:36.000 and

01:42:36.940 who

01:42:37.500 can

01:42:37.680 navigate

01:42:38.080 the

01:42:38.360 tricky

01:42:38.600 society

01:42:39.120 that

01:42:39.320 we're

01:42:39.460 in

01:42:39.620 in

01:42:39.760 2020

01:42:40.180 nearly

01:42:40.840 2026

01:42:41.480 America

01:42:41.920 so

01:42:42.620 I

01:42:42.880 mean

01:42:43.000 is

01:42:43.360 that

01:42:43.580 taught

01:42:43.960 by

01:42:44.160 example

01:42:44.700 or

01:42:45.680 is

01:42:46.040 that

01:42:46.220 a

01:42:46.380 lesson

01:42:46.720 is

01:42:47.180 that

01:42:47.300 a

01:42:47.460 chat

01:42:48.100 at

01:42:48.300 the

01:42:48.420 dinner

01:42:48.580 table

01:42:48.940 balancing

01:42:49.440 those

01:42:49.740 two

01:42:50.060 pulls

01:42:50.520 of

01:42:50.660 a

01:42:50.760 man's

01:42:50.960 personality

01:42:51.460 again

01:42:53.620 I

01:42:53.780 think

01:42:53.960 they're

01:42:54.120 about

01:42:54.300 intention

01:42:54.680 and

01:42:54.880 control

01:42:55.280 you

01:42:55.640 know

01:42:55.780 when

01:42:55.960 I

01:42:56.080 served

01:42:56.580 in

01:42:56.740 the

01:42:56.880 Marines

01:42:57.300 my

01:42:57.640 division

01:42:58.420 commander

01:42:58.920 in

01:42:59.080 Iraq

01:42:59.440 was

01:42:59.800 General

01:43:00.980 Mad Dog

01:43:02.400 Mattis

01:43:02.960 and

01:43:03.760 he

01:43:04.200 famously

01:43:04.720 told

01:43:05.060 the

01:43:05.240 1st

01:43:05.480 Marine

01:43:05.660 Division

01:43:06.000 that

01:43:06.220 our

01:43:06.360 motto

01:43:06.600 was

01:43:06.820 no

01:43:07.200 better

01:43:07.480 friend

01:43:07.880 no

01:43:08.120 worse

01:43:08.400 enemy

01:43:08.700 and

01:43:09.520 I

01:43:09.620 think

01:43:09.760 a

01:43:10.060 man

01:43:10.280 should

01:43:10.440 understand

01:43:10.900 how

01:43:11.100 to

01:43:11.200 be

01:43:11.320 gentle

01:43:11.900 kind

01:43:12.740 open

01:43:13.360 minded

01:43:13.780 but

01:43:14.220 should

01:43:14.620 also

01:43:14.840 know

01:43:15.280 how

01:43:16.260 to

01:43:16.340 be

01:43:16.440 strong

01:43:16.840 and

01:43:17.000 be

01:43:17.360 tough

01:43:17.680 and

01:43:17.840 single

01:43:18.140 minded

01:43:18.440 when

01:43:18.700 the

01:43:18.820 moment

01:43:19.040 calls

01:43:19.360 for

01:43:19.600 it

01:43:19.720 and

01:43:19.820 be

01:43:19.960 able

01:43:20.140 to

01:43:20.320 toggle

01:43:20.560 between

01:43:20.880 those

01:43:21.220 two

01:43:21.620 with

01:43:22.680 utter

01:43:22.860 control

01:43:23.300 so

01:43:23.860 this

01:43:27.640 deeper

01:43:27.800 philosophy

01:43:28.380 but

01:43:28.760 it

01:43:28.860 focuses

01:43:29.540 on

01:43:29.960 specifics

01:43:30.740 little

01:43:31.660 ways

01:43:32.120 to

01:43:32.280 be

01:43:32.420 intentional

01:43:32.940 as

01:43:33.640 a

01:43:33.780 man

01:43:34.100 with

01:43:34.840 how

01:43:35.020 you

01:43:35.600 exist

01:43:37.000 in

01:43:37.200 the

01:43:37.300 world

01:43:37.680 and

01:43:37.960 present

01:43:38.220 yourself

01:43:38.700 in

01:43:38.900 the

01:43:39.000 world

01:43:39.260 so

01:43:39.600 some

01:43:39.840 of

01:43:39.920 the

01:43:40.020 columns

01:43:40.380 we

01:43:41.060 have

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 02, 2025

＂Second Strike＂ Narrative Falls Apart, Kash Patel Responds, and How To Be a Man, with Rich Lowry, Charles Cooke, Elliot Ackerman, and Bryan Cox ｜ Ep. 1204

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