The Megyn Kelly Show - Security Failures Lead to Trump Assassination Attempt at WHCD, and Melania Calls For Kimmel To Be FIRED, with RCP and Pat Brosnan ｜ Ep. 1304

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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.480 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Monday, everyone.

00:01:16.900 And we begin with the continued fallout from yet another assassination attempt.

00:01:22.860 The third that we know about of President Donald Trump. I mean, really, I think it's the fourth.

00:01:28.040 You could argue it's the fifth, but it's I think it's the fourth.

00:01:31.240 There was that guy who breached the White House and like try to set it on fire in sorry, not the White House, the Mar-a-Lago perimeter.

00:01:40.660 It happened Saturday night, the latest in the Washington Hilton Hotel at the annual White House Correspondents Association dinner.

00:01:48.460 The very first that Mr. Trump has attended as president.

00:01:51.160 He's been refusing to go all the other times when they had it and he was president because of his contentious relationship with the press.

00:01:59.800 So this was a big deal that he was actually going to show up.

00:02:02.660 The entire cabinet basically was there.

00:02:04.740 Several luminaries from Congress, members of.

00:02:10.020 And that's the same hotel where President Ronald Reagan survived an assassination attempt on him 45 years ago.

00:02:18.360 we call it the Hinckley Hilton because it's where John Hinckley tried to kill Ronald Reagan.

00:02:25.120 And I've been to this thing many times. You go there for the radio and television

00:02:28.580 correspondence dinner. You go there for the White House correspondence dinner.

00:02:32.780 And it's basically just a big cattle call. You go in the front. You get your picture taken on

00:02:38.700 the red carpet. You mill about. You might go to a pre-party at one of the little smaller conference

00:02:45.220 rooms, um, on that sort of first level. And then you take a very, very long escalator downstairs

00:02:52.520 into the ballroom, which is where the main event is. So this guy didn't get anywhere close to the

00:03:00.920 actual main event, but he was certainly all over that first floor and, um, was intent on getting

00:03:07.620 down to the level below where the president and everyone else was. His name is 31-year-old Cole

00:03:16.340 Allen. That's his name, Cole Allen. He's 31. He's self-employed. Says he's a video game developer

00:03:21.700 and part-time teacher from the Los Angeles area. This is just no coincidence. It's just not,

00:03:27.240 it's just not that the more education, the more likely you are to be a shooter

00:03:31.120 or think that violence to solve your political problems is okay.

00:03:36.760 We've seen it time and time again. 0.83

00:03:39.040 Did anyone think, oh, it's a working class guy from Ohio?

00:03:42.980 No. 1.00

00:03:44.260 You knew who it was going to be.

00:03:46.200 My only shock was that he was 31 instead of, you know, between 18 and 25.

00:03:52.660 But the fact that it was a disaffected, relatively young man, well-educated,

00:03:58.500 not a shock at all.

00:04:01.100 Teacher, not a shock.

00:04:03.740 He attempted to breach the final layer of security at the event.

00:04:07.740 Okay, so like right above that long, long escalator that goes downstairs, there is a

00:04:13.140 layer of perimeter, a perimeter there where they have a layer of security.

00:04:17.780 And that's where you would have to go through a magnetometer.

00:04:20.680 And he ran through it.

00:04:22.140 He ran through the mags with his guns, et cetera, reportedly carrying a shotgun, a handgun

00:04:26.700 and multiple knives.

00:04:28.700 you can see here, this just came out, a picture of the shotgun that Alan was carrying in a photo

00:04:35.820 obtained by the New York Post. More on Alan's motivation in just a bit, but here's a quick

00:04:41.660 recap of what happened. Alan booked a room at the Hilton in early April. So it's amazing. He seems

00:04:51.280 to have come upon this plan this month. He traveled from Los Angeles to Washington, D.C.

00:04:57.140 via train, one presumes because they don't check for guns on trains the way they do on planes.

00:05:04.620 In other words, Allen was able to travel across the country and check into a hotel where the

00:05:08.220 president of the United States and all of his top advisors and cabinet secretaries were with

00:05:14.360 multiple lethal weapons on him. According to CBS, surveillance footage from Saturday shows Allen,

00:05:20.720 a graduate of the prestigious Caltech University, leaving his 10th floor room inside the hotel

00:05:27.120 by the way, this is hotel surveillance. This is not secret service surveillance. This is like

00:05:32.480 there was no secret service surveillance inside the stairwells to our knowledge.

00:05:38.740 So this is a hotel surveillance shows him leaving his 10th floor room where he checked in the day

00:05:43.620 before on Friday inside of the hotel, dressed in all black, carrying the shotgun, the handgun,

00:05:49.300 and the knives in a bag, we're told. Instead of the elevator, he ran down 10 flights of stairs,

00:05:55.900 emerging at the terrace level, one floor above where the event was taking place and the primary

00:06:02.000 access point to the room where the president was on stage. In other words, the access point was

00:06:07.500 that layer above. That's where you'd go through the mags. Once you got through them, you'd go

00:06:11.260 into the escalator and get downstairs. The event began at 8 p.m. We are told that the president

00:06:17.280 was seated around 8.15 p.m. And at 8.36 p.m., as you can see in this surveillance footage,

00:06:24.320 Alan made a mad dash past the final layer of security.

00:06:28.620 Look at screen left.

00:06:30.680 There he goes through the magnetometer.

00:06:32.660 You can see that there's a Secret Service agent, we believe, pulling his gun.

00:06:38.000 So he comes on scene from the left.

00:06:41.340 You can see the outlines of the mag.

00:06:42.900 It's white.

00:06:43.680 You see the figure run through.

00:06:45.780 And very quickly, guns are drawn, and he's out of frame right there on his way.

00:06:52.500 And indeed, he was not shot, but one Secret Service agent was.

00:07:00.100 Several rounds were fired, and we do not know exactly how that one officer was shot.

00:07:08.460 So one Secret Service officer was shot.

00:07:10.740 Thankfully, he was wearing his vest and has already been released from the hospital.

00:07:15.740 But it's unclear if the would-be assassin shot him or whether he was shot by friendly fire.

00:07:23.800 That'll be one of the things that they investigate.

00:07:26.600 The suspect was not shot, so the Secret Service did not manage to hit him.

00:07:33.780 Allen, though, did not make it beyond the terrorist level.

00:07:37.820 He was taken down, and you could see him on his stomach in pictures with his clothing removed.

00:07:44.840 but he did not get close to Trump. He did not get past that terrorist level. He was up a level

00:07:52.080 above. As you can see here in this diagram from the Daily Mail, he wasn't that far away either.

00:07:57.440 And this, don't kid yourself, could have been truly catastrophic at one of those most high

00:08:02.980 profile events in Washington. I mean, many of us are asking how this could have happened.

00:08:09.580 Like truly, what's going on with the Secret Service? Because let me tell you something,

00:08:14.840 Even with my own security, and I'm not the president of the United States, they've made

00:08:20.020 clear to me so many times that the best security is the one that prevents the person from ever

00:08:26.120 getting anywhere near you, that it is monitoring exactly what you're going to be doing, what the

00:08:32.460 vulnerable points are, whether there are any threats, that kind of thing. So that things like

00:08:39.020 watching the hotel, making anybody staying there put their bags through a mag in the week leading

00:08:47.320 up to the big event. It's really not that hard. They do it in other countries all the time.

00:08:52.860 Something like that, like preemptive security. Yes, the last line of defense protecting President

00:08:59.160 Trump did work, you know, the mags outside of where he was sitting. Should we really

00:09:04.860 have to wait until he's that close? What if there were more than one? What if this were like a band

00:09:11.740 of five guys? Again, they missed. If they fired at him, they missed. He doesn't have a wound on him

00:09:20.860 that we know about. Now, they took him down. I'm not taking that away from them. I'm just saying.

00:09:25.020 A lot of questions about how it was, I guess, the second last

00:09:30.300 realm of security around him. The very, very last would have been the Secret Service agents

00:09:35.660 right next to the president. Thank God it didn't get that far. You know, personally, I think about

00:09:40.560 what was inside that ballroom. Like Melania was to the president's right, the first lady sitting

00:09:47.200 there. She doesn't often appear with him at these events, but she was at this one. And who was right 0.76

00:09:53.300 next to her. A very pregnant Caroline Levitt. I think she's like literally nine months pregnant.

00:10:01.260 I think she's due in a week. A very pregnant Caroline Levitt sitting there. Who was in the 1.00

00:10:05.500 front row of the ballroom? Stephen Miller and his very pregnant wife, Katie Miller.

00:10:11.780 She's got to be due within a month or so. You know, not far from them, Erica Kirk,

00:10:18.560 who is not pregnant, but good Lord, lost her husband in an assassination that took place

00:10:25.760 seven, eight months ago. Just Steve Scalise was there, who was shot in an act of political

00:10:35.120 violence on Capitol Hill by a deranged gunman who was a Bernie Sanders fan. I don't know.

00:10:43.700 There were a lot of especially vulnerable people there last night, even outside of the president, the secretary of war, the FBI director, the acting attorney general.

00:11:00.380 The level of catastrophe this could have been is rattling.

00:11:07.000 It really is rattling.

00:11:08.720 The president is not as safe as we need him to be.

00:11:11.240 And the question really is, why not? According to the Washington Post, the Trump administration

00:11:18.020 did provide a level of security at this event that was lower than other gatherings with high

00:11:25.600 ranking officials. They did not unleash the same amount of security that they would had this been

00:11:34.300 an inauguration or a state of the union, why not? Trump, Vance, Rubio, Hegseth, all the top

00:11:43.560 dignitaries, all the people who run this country were there other than like have some house members

00:11:48.220 and some senators, but they're, they're more plentiful. There's only one secretary of war.

00:11:54.480 That was typical of a white house correspondence dinner. Okay. So they don't normally treat those 0.64

00:11:59.480 like they're a State of the Union or an inauguration,

00:12:02.120 but in this new threat environment

00:12:03.660 where the president's been targeted three times already,

00:12:08.440 where we had Charlie Kirk shot and killed nine months ago,

00:12:12.160 where Luigi Mangione's about to go on trial

00:12:14.720 for murdering the CEO of UnitedHealthcare

00:12:17.220 in an act of political violence of a different sort.

00:12:19.260 The environment right now,

00:12:22.380 it feels closer to 1968 than 2028 at the moment.

00:12:27.960 White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, will reportedly hold a meeting with the people in charge of Trump's security now to discuss security protocol.

00:12:36.740 They say that she's been a big backer of the Secret Service and a defender of them.

00:12:43.100 And I think she's finally coming to see maybe she's been a little too defensive of them.

00:12:47.400 It's not to take anything away from those who did their job on site.

00:12:50.680 But once again, much like Butler, this seems to have been a problem in the planning. 0.99

00:12:55.680 Who's doing the fucking planning? 0.99

00:12:58.160 That's what I want to know. 0.99

00:12:59.360 Truly, who didn't have someone patrolling the rooftops in Butler, Pennsylvania?

00:13:07.300 Who seated the rooftops in Utah when Charlie was killed?

00:13:13.080 And who didn't think to take a look at the hotel guests or an outer perimeter outside

00:13:20.140 of the Hinkley Hilton when the president of the United States and all of these cabinet

00:13:25.220 secretaries was, we're going to be there.

00:13:27.300 Who?

00:13:27.960 That's what I want to know.

00:13:28.760 Who is sitting with the pen and the paper and the computer and the maps?

00:13:33.700 That's the person I want to know.

00:13:37.560 Of course, the guys on site did their job, though we should talk about the AIM problem

00:13:43.380 that we seem to have with the Secret Service.

00:13:45.920 But like the planning on this, you don't have to have a law enforcement background to see it seems to have been woefully inadequate, inadequate.

00:13:56.080 Look, watch here how long it takes the Secret Service to remove President Trump after shots ring out.

00:14:15.920 cover him after 10 seconds. All right. So the shots had rung and the people are getting

00:14:25.980 underneath their tables and President Trump is sitting there. It's he's sitting there. It took

00:14:31.220 nine of those 10 seconds before an agent even came to stand in front of him. And the people

00:14:37.100 are already under their tables. What the why? As you could see from your screen, if you're

00:14:43.440 watching this on YouTube, Vice President Vance was removed from the stage well before Trump.

00:14:48.240 Why? Unfortunately, there seemed to be a growing number of people like this would-be assassin who

00:14:54.160 hold a deep-rooted hatred for members of the Trump administration and who would very much

00:15:00.380 like something to be done to stop them from governing. And this guy, Allen, did not do

00:15:07.420 anything to hide his disgust for Trump and his team. Here's his post on Blue Sky on April 15,

00:15:13.440 calling Vice President Vance a piece of shit for not supporting funding for Ukraine. 0.97

00:15:19.340 Here he is on April 8th, the day the ceasefire with Iran was announced, writing, quote, 1.00

00:15:23.180 Trump is literally one of those villains that if you beat his ass hard enough, he'll join your team. 0.99

00:15:28.360 Don't really have any other insights to this. 0.99

00:15:30.920 It's not really actionable because no way Schumer just canes him into acting his age,

00:15:35.220 but like it would probably literally work on him.

00:15:38.480 He also wrote a manifesto about his assassination attempt.

00:15:43.440 which CBS's Nora O'Donnell read in part to the president last night on 60 Minutes. Watch.

00:15:51.160 The so-called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President. He appears to reference

00:15:57.320 a motive in it. He writes this, quote, administration officials, they are targets.

00:16:03.340 And he also wrote this. I'm no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, 0.99

00:16:08.140 and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. What's your reaction? 0.99

00:16:12.240 Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're horrible people, 1.00

00:16:17.440 horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody. 0.99

00:16:22.880 Do you think he was referring to you? Excuse me.

00:16:27.680 I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person. I got associated with stuff 1.00

00:16:35.840 that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of

00:16:42.240 The plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say Epstein or other things.

00:16:48.900 But I said to myself, I'll do this interview and they'll probably, I read the manifesto,

00:16:54.360 he's a sick person, but you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because I'm not any

00:17:00.400 of those things. 0.99

00:17:01.400 And I was never, excuse me, excuse me, you shouldn't be reading that on 60 minutes, 0.99

00:17:07.200 you're a disgrace. 0.88

00:17:08.200 But go ahead, let's finish the interview. 1.00

00:17:09.720 The other thing that he wrote in- You're disgraceful.

00:17:12.240 I got to tell, I had no problem with her reading the would-be assassin's words to him. I don't think that was beyond the pale. Like, she's trying to get his reaction to what this guy said about the president. I don't think I would have done it. Just, I was thinking it through. Like, would I have read those words to him? I don't think so. But I have no problem with the fact that she did.

00:17:34.480 I do, however, have a serious problem with her weird, oh, you think that was about you? 1.00

00:17:40.480 What the fuck? 0.99

00:17:41.200 What are you saying? 1.00

00:17:41.800 Of course it was about him.

00:17:43.680 What is that?

00:17:44.720 And she knows it. 0.99

00:17:46.300 She's not an idiot. 0.99

00:17:47.500 She knows very well that was a comment about President Trump. 0.98

00:17:50.760 What is she trying to, like, get Trump? 1.00

00:17:53.000 Like, aha, it's an admission by you that you are a rapist and a pedophile. 1.00

00:17:58.260 The fact that you recognize that was about you. 1.00

00:18:01.640 You recognize that was about him, too.

00:18:04.040 That's why you read it to him.

00:18:05.560 And if you didn't recognize that it was about him, then I do have a problem with you reading it to him.

00:18:11.060 What's the what is pick a lane?

00:18:13.520 Which is it?

00:18:15.280 What was that?

00:18:16.700 Oh, you think it was about you?

00:18:18.180 Yeah, it was obviously about him.

00:18:20.500 Why are you faking this? 0.98

00:18:22.480 You're so fake. 0.93

00:18:24.700 Like the acting. 0.85

00:18:26.860 Honestly, it's just I what is that?

00:18:29.440 And the other thing is, if you're going to read it to him, if you're going to read him that somebody saying is a pedophile and he's a rapist and you just you're reading it to him because you're reading the words of his would be assassin to get, you know, his reaction.

00:18:43.920 Then you say, forgive me, Mr. President, quoting here.

00:18:47.520 And then he would have forgiven her.

00:18:49.300 Trump would have forgiven her. 1.00

00:18:50.200 He would have understood she's not doing this to be an asshole, but she was doing it to be an ass. 1.00

00:18:54.920 And then she doubled down on that exact thing. 1.00

00:18:57.820 And Trump picked up on it.

00:19:00.120 We're going to have more on this assassin's manifesto in a minute because it goes on.

00:19:05.640 And it's actually very interesting.

00:19:07.040 I have to say, it's very interesting.

00:19:08.300 It's like he wants us to like him.

00:19:10.980 He wants us to feel sorry for him, maybe.

00:19:13.900 He feels kind of sad or sorry about what he's doing or he wants us to believe that.

00:19:19.740 And like, he's not raging like a madman.

00:19:24.060 Like, he's not going to get away with an insanity defense.

00:19:26.340 This guy's cooked.

00:19:26.940 But it's very interesting from those standpoints, among others.

00:19:31.160 And by the way, the manifesto, which makes perfectly clear his motive, he wanted to kill 0.84

00:19:34.400 President Trump.

00:19:35.060 He thought he was all those terrible things and he thought it was his obligation to stop

00:19:38.220 him.

00:19:39.000 Somebody might want to tell Barack Obama, because at 5.15 p.m.

00:19:42.740 Eastern yesterday, hours after the manifesto was released, he wrote on X, quote, this is

00:19:49.720 former President Obama, although we don't yet have the details about the motives behind

00:19:54.760 last night's shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Yeah, we do. We do.

00:20:00.380 Why are you saying that? He goes on. It's incumbent upon all of us to reject the idea

00:20:07.140 that violence has any place in our democracy. Why did he write, although we don't yet

00:20:12.540 have the details on the motive? We have exactly the details, way more than we ever normally get,

00:20:19.960 because the guy wrote a manifesto in great detail.

00:20:24.040 In great detail.

00:20:25.460 He wrote about what he hated about Donald Trump.

00:20:28.140 He then went through,

00:20:30.280 these might be the objections to me doing this.

00:20:32.620 Let me take them on, one, two, three, four, five,

00:20:35.120 and rebut why the objections don't hold water for me

00:20:39.120 and why I really feel like I do need to do this.

00:20:41.640 And I mean, like, it was the most detail.

00:20:42.960 You could ask for no better, truly.

00:20:45.760 Like, what is he talking about?

00:20:47.620 like this is it's like a parody you know like we may never know we that we've been seeing that

00:20:55.180 with left-wing violence we saw it after Charlie Kirk when the shooter wrote on the bullets you

00:21:02.800 know fascist oh we we'll just we may never know no we know we have a good idea if this guy shot

00:21:10.280 Charlie. He wrote his motivations on the bullets. So just read the bullets. This is, I'm tired of

00:21:17.640 this. Like there are some things we need answers to, like the questions we outlined at the top of

00:21:23.520 the show. His motivations, not really. Those have been written down. They were given to his family

00:21:29.220 members, to his friends, and to police. So what of the Secret Service and how does this keep

00:21:36.700 happening. Joining me now for reaction, Pat Brosnan. He's former NYPD detective and host of

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00:22:09.440 she's national correspondent for Real Clear Politics

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00:23:49.120 So Susan, let me start with you as the reporter on this beat

00:23:51.920 and your take on the questions that are being asked

00:23:56.880 and where, if anywhere, those who oversee the Secret Service

00:24:01.080 may be potentially realizing they fell down on the job.

00:24:06.180 Sadly, this is another epic failure for the Secret Service leadership.

00:24:10.960 And I say that deliberately because once again, just like Butler,

00:24:15.940 these lower agents, these rank and file agents were put in a place to fail and set up to fail.

00:24:23.120 They performed remarkably considering the circumstances.

00:24:29.040 However, there were several elements of this that are concerning, one being they were taking

00:24:35.300 down the checkpoint, the magnometer.

00:24:37.760 They were sitting more idly than a robust posture when Cole Allen decided to rampage

00:24:46.140 through there.

00:24:47.300 And then there was a sort of a bit of chaos.

00:24:51.040 We don't know if there was friendly fire that was resulting in the uniformed division

00:24:56.760 officer going down and taking a bullet. Thankfully, he was okay. These people put their lives on the

00:25:03.220 line. There's no better part of humanity than these agents and officers, so I am not faulting

00:25:11.080 them. This is a serious leadership issue at the Secret Service. I have been warning about this

00:25:18.440 for. Since Butler, I was very happy to report on the reforms of the Secret Service. I was expecting

00:25:27.340 to report on the reforms of the Secret Service. Instead, we've seen failure after failure. And I'm

00:25:33.220 told that I will break a little news here with you exclusively that Susie Wiles was pushing back.

00:25:41.700 She was directly overseeing the Secret Service and was pushing back on DHS under Kristi Noem, providing some oversight to the reforms after several incidents that I reported on, you know, the Code Pink incident where they got too close to Trump in that restaurant nearby the White House.

00:26:00.520 I reported on agents falling asleep on the job at the U.N. General Assembly, the fact that Melania rode up that escalator that was stalled.

00:26:10.880 There was a celebration of Charlie Kirk's assassination by a Secret Service agent, most recently two sex scandals, one broken by James O'Keefe.

00:26:19.520 O'Keefe, the one I broke was last weekend, where I asked the White House, do they still have

00:26:25.560 full confidence in Sean Curran, did not get a usable response back on that. This has been

00:26:32.460 time and time again, failure after failure. And from what I understand, Kristi Noem was trying

00:26:39.880 to do something about it, wanted to put a political chief of staff, sorry, chief counsel in

00:26:45.440 after the one that Sean Curran chose crashed and burned literally was in pretending to be an

00:26:53.260 officer and got pushed out by the White House. There's just been so many incidents. I cannot

00:26:59.860 even list them all here for you. But the DEI is a live and well in the Secret Service. And you

00:27:07.360 layer on top of that, this sort of culture of corruption that I've been reporting about since

00:27:13.060 2012 with the prostitution scandal. And it's just still needs serious reforms. And for some reason,

00:27:22.520 Congress is not doing its job. Can you just give us a little background on Sean Curran?

00:27:27.940 Is he in charge of Secret Service right now? That's the director of the Secret Service.

00:27:32.840 You have Deputy Director Quinn, Matt Quinn. He has a cat background. He has counter assault.

00:27:40.420 He's very, you know, he has all the background he needs.

00:27:44.240 Sean Curran is honestly, they rushed him through.

00:27:47.680 He was in charge of Trump's detail.

00:27:51.040 He was the leader of that detail.

00:27:52.640 And he had the receipts.

00:27:54.200 He was pushing for more assets from the Secret Service.

00:27:56.760 And as you know, Kimberly Cheadle was being political and not treating him as a regular 0.66

00:28:02.540 president.

00:28:03.340 She was treating him as any old former president like Jimmy Carter.

00:28:06.460 There was not enough assets at Butler. Some of them were being pushed over to Jill Biden's event. She had more poststanders than even Trump did that night because she had a similar 400 person event in a closed ballroom that night.

00:28:24.340 All of this is just I expected way more reforms.

00:28:30.900 And I'm telling you, the White House pushed back on those on some of the reforms that they wanted to put in.

00:28:36.960 I have a statement I can read to you by Carolyn Levitt when I reported that Susie Wiles is pushing back on this.

00:28:44.440 She tells me this morning, nobody cares more or has pushed harder or has asked more hard questions about President Trump's safety than Susie Wiles.

00:28:54.760 The insinuation that Susie would object to anything that would help strengthen protection for her boss and friend is absolutely absurd.

00:29:03.220 But you're reporting that it's not absurd.

00:29:05.380 That Susie Wiles did push back on an attempt by Kristi Noem to add an additional person overseeing the security protocol.

00:29:14.920 There's two attempts. One was to put a political chief counsel in charge of the Secret Service or install him there. 0.98

00:29:23.700 The other issue was a deputy chief of staff at DHS was at the Secret Service to provide recommendations for reforms.

00:29:31.500 This is recently. And he was walked out of the building when Sean Curran complained to Susie Wiles, according to my sources.

00:29:39.940 Wow. But this is relevant because what we're what we're told is that the reason that the White House Correspondents Dinner did not have a higher security profile is because there's typically a DHS employee who would make the recommendation.

00:29:53.780 This one needs to be bumped up like this. Don't treat this like some random dinner.

00:29:57.660 You need to treat this more like a state of the union. And our understanding is that that didn't happen, that that recommendation was not made because, I presume, it had never been made in the past. And I guess whoever the DHS person was, and I don't know if this is Mark Wayne Mullen or somebody beneath him, didn't see the need, notwithstanding the fact that this is not an ordinary president. This is somebody who they've already tried to kill three times.

00:30:20.360 Absolutely. They were using a 2023 model, Biden model, on Donald Trump. It is the same issue that we had at Butler. Trump broke the mold when it comes to the threats against him. The national security should revise all of their former models.

00:30:41.960 They have these models. That's the first step. When you when you get assigned to be in charge of the White House Correspondents Dinner for the Secret Service, you pull out the old model and then you revise it.

00:30:53.080 if there's been any renovations to the space, the hotel, there haven't been. And right now,

00:31:00.640 though, are you kidding me with all of these cabinet secretaries? And this was a disgrace

00:31:05.900 to have all of our cabinet and dignitaries under the tables. It was a disgrace to the entire world.

00:31:14.120 And there were warning signs that I've reported on consistently over the last year. Dan Bongino

00:31:20.880 at the time when Sean Kern was up for this job, said Sean Kern is not a reformer. He's not a

00:31:28.960 change agent. Suddenly, Dan Bongino went silent when he joined the administration about that.

00:31:34.260 I did not stay silent. I was ready for the reforms. They did not come consistently in terms

00:31:42.120 of getting rid of the DEI that the Secret Service

00:31:46.240 was riddled with under Joe Biden.

00:31:49.860 And- 0.98

00:31:50.720 They have a goal of 30% female workforce. 1.00

00:31:53.340 That's exactly right. 1.00

00:31:54.600 And now they're at like 20, 25.

00:31:56.420 Keep going.

00:31:57.020 That's exactly right.

00:31:58.500 And they also were, you know,

00:32:00.560 there was a lot of things that needed to be reformed.

00:32:03.340 There's an exodus, mass exodus out of the Secret Service,

00:32:07.280 a brain drain from the senior talent.

00:32:09.380 And now they're trying to hire really quickly,

00:32:11.560 but they have lowered the hiring standards you no longer have to have a college degree

00:32:15.640 recently they lowered the drug standards it's completely different than it used to be 10 years

00:32:21.560 ago uh it's time and time again you see it and the the people that they're hiring you had they

00:32:28.120 missed a glock at donald trump's golf course in sterling virginia i reported on that they've had

00:32:35.040 like i said multiple sex scandals there was a cat fight outside of with between two uniform

00:32:40.800 officers outside of obama's residence i mean these are just signs of problems within the

00:32:47.980 secret service and when you have an agent falling asleep at at the there's also been

00:32:56.320 an fbi raid and this is when the secret service stopped talking to me last year they they used to

00:33:02.140 get back to me regularly and they stopped talking to me when i reported on an fbi raid of a secret

00:33:09.400 services agent's home and i think he was on presidential protective detail

00:33:14.760 last december because he was involved in a tax scheme that involved possibly 30 other agents

00:33:23.300 what is going on at the secret service this was his moonlighting career there is serious problems

00:33:30.400 going on at Secret Service. And, you know, I was more than happy to report on the reforms. In fact,

00:33:35.400 I kept telling them, if you were doing some hiring at, you know, for college athletes,

00:33:40.860 if you're reaching out, whatever you're doing, let me know. I'm happy to report on positive

00:33:46.640 elements. But they never engaged me. And I know why. There were some serious problems going on

00:33:55.300 on that detail even a couple months before Donald Trump, before the Butler assassination attempt

00:34:02.160 and the subsequent one at the golf course nearby his Mar-a-Lago. There were some problems going

00:34:09.000 on in that detail. And I reported on those problems. And ever since they've been concerned

00:34:13.200 about me. And I'm sorry to say there were formal complaints lodged against Sean Kern and his deputy

00:34:20.740 And they were cleared. But Secret Service is notorious for playing favorites with agents. And this culture of corruption has to end. They retaliate against agents. And this DEI problem has never been because they have a hiring problem. They can't really effectively deal with the DEI issues that occurred under the Biden administration.

00:34:45.960 And meanwhile, President Trump is sent out there like a sitting duck because they won't get real about what the problems are.

00:34:52.880 Susan, I know you've got to run. Thank you for coming on and giving us your exclusive information.

00:34:57.520 We appreciate it. Great reporting as always.

00:34:59.340 My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

00:35:01.180 Turning now to Pat Brosnan. Pat, your reaction, first of all, to everything Susan just said.

00:35:06.860 Well, she's spot on. Good afternoon.

00:35:09.800 On the vast majority of the points that she referenced, I mean, to be very frank with you, Megan,

00:35:14.900 And if I had a burner in front of the front burner, ramping up the president's security detail would be on that burner.

00:35:24.320 Thrown out the outdated model that Susan astutely referenced from 2023.

00:35:29.800 I'm in kind of a little bit of a unique position.

00:35:33.020 I've been physically present by design and by coincidence at all four locations.

00:35:40.940 I went out to Butler because I had to see Building 6.

00:35:44.900 In late July, I jumped on a motorcycle and went there.

00:35:48.340 I was out at the Irish Riviera, Long Beach Island, so it wasn't a long haul.

00:35:52.860 And I went there and I took a close look at the fields.

00:35:55.900 I scoured the terrain.

00:35:57.160 I made some assessments and did some pretty significant reporting on it, painstaking, detailed reporting.

00:36:04.720 But I also walked the perimeter of the Trump International and saw the area where Wesley Routh was secreted for 12 hours.

00:36:18.840 Also, as in Mar-a-Lago, I've been through that north gate 100 times.

00:36:23.700 And then I've had a number of different dinners and business meetings at the Hilton, Washington.

00:36:28.300 So what does all that mean?

00:36:29.680 Well, it means a lot because I'm intimately familiar.

00:36:32.440 And the fact is that what we saw Saturday night was a, I would call it a catastrophic failure of the four C's, communication, coordination, control, and command.

00:36:51.400 And that's the omniscience that's needed and necessary and required when you're protecting the biggest of all the big shots, President of the United States.

00:37:00.980 what do you make of these reports that people were allowed to just come into the hotel room

00:37:06.120 check in this the shooter uh he he's checked in friday the event was saturday no one ever

00:37:11.320 magged his bags he just ran down the stairwell with his guns in his duffel the woman saw him

00:37:17.780 take the gun out assemble it she said i he ran out and did a bunch of shooting i mean it's so easy

00:37:24.380 pat making this catastrophic failure on so many levels i don't know should i go alphabetically

00:37:30.160 chronologically or just random. But let's start with the Connecticut Avenue entrance to this hotel

00:37:38.280 with 1,100 rooms, 2,500 guests coming in and folks coming in and out all week.

00:37:46.140 At Brosnan Risk Consultants, my security company over the years, we've provided

00:37:50.660 security for the Republican National Convention. We provided it for King of Saudi Arabia,

00:37:56.780 of the prime minister so a lot of different folks so we know a good bit about the protocol process

00:38:01.760 and procedures that are absolutely mandatory when it comes to uh attempting to to completely

00:38:09.820 sale proof and fail proof uh in terms of not just uh the security measures which were

00:38:18.740 a delinquent and we'll discuss that but the rudimentary stuff like the due diligence and

00:38:25.240 the due diligence is critical. Uh, the fact that they did not vet and do a background search

00:38:31.660 on all the guests in that hotel for the prior three to seven days, somewhere in there. Okay.

00:38:40.260 Uh, the significant failure and a particularly glaring red flag with this individual Cole

00:38:47.520 Allen is he hit both check boxes. He's solo and he traveled a great distance and he got in the

00:38:55.080 night before. Yes. Those are clues. Stevie Wonder would have picked up on them. Let's be crystal

00:39:00.900 clear. They're easy ones. They're grand balls. I mean, that is so true. I know this just from my

00:39:07.740 own from my own security team. Like if I travel, if I'm going to be up close with people and they

00:39:14.340 know who they are in advance, they will. They'll make sure it's not somebody who's like appears to

00:39:19.480 have a grudge, who traveled a long distance, like all those red flags. That's for me. This is the

00:39:25.720 president and the entire cabinet virtually. It's incredible that they allowed this guy to get

00:39:33.000 within 100 yards of him, never mind 100 feet. Mind bending. It's mind bending. When you think

00:39:40.720 of the concept of layered security, this is the textbook example of what was needed and necessary

00:39:48.320 and was failed to be implemented, a 200 or 250-foot lobby in the distance from Connecticut Avenue west to the doors to the International Ballroom,

00:39:59.800 which is subterranean, by the way. I've been there. To not have hosted as fixed hosts armed and uniformed and plainclothes armed officers throughout that lobby

00:40:15.460 is the height of negligence. It's it's the height of reckless negligence to not have a fixed post

00:40:21.900 at the stairway at ingress and egress points is supremely negligent. And to not have a fixed post

00:40:29.960 at the base of the elevator is supremely negligent. These are fundamental.

00:40:35.460 Like Pat, why? Why wouldn't they have said, OK, we got to think about people who are staying

00:40:40.220 in the hotel and there's going to have to be a person at every stairwell. Like what? Maybe this

00:40:46.260 is just 20, 20 hindsight. I don't know. You've done these things before. Is that 20, 20 hindsight

00:40:50.040 or was that, is that an obvious one to have looked into? It's, it's really a very obvious one to look

00:40:56.180 into and it's, and it's coordinated and implemented in conjunction with the CSO chief security officer

00:41:01.880 of the hotel. They work hand in hand. That's how we operated. Our senior leadership would interface

00:41:07.740 not just at the RNC with the CSOs of the specific hotel, but hotels in every direction,

00:41:15.700 east, northwest and south for a few blocks from Madison Square Garden and different venues.

00:41:20.560 That's called doing your homework. That's called intelligent and pragmatic due diligence.

00:41:25.520 And it was not done here. And it's shameful. OK, how about how about the fact that this guy,

00:41:32.780 we saw the video of him running through the mag. There was one mag still standing. They were in

00:41:36.680 the process of dismantling the other mags. There's one that they were taking apart as this guy ran

00:41:42.860 through the one mag. They seem to have gone into, well, the dinner's started. POTUS is inside the

00:41:49.220 dinner. We're good. We're not going to let anybody else in, so we're going to take everything down

00:41:54.300 without anticipating, Pat. But what if somebody isn't respectful of the 8.15 start time? What if

00:42:02.720 somebody comes right now when we're all feeling super lax with two guns and a bunch of knives

00:42:08.800 and tries to run through us hate to say it because i was in civil service as a detective

00:42:15.420 what you're seeing in real time front and close the civil service mindset civil service mindset

00:42:23.620 and that doesn't apply yeah this president not when we are now in an everything everywhere all

00:42:30.480 at once threat environment for the past 22 months where you astutely pointed out, Megan, and no

00:42:35.540 surprise, that it's four. That's right, four. Cole Austin Martin on February 22nd of 26th,

00:42:41.780 he wanted to go in and kill the president. The president just happened to not be in Mar-a-Lago

00:42:46.000 at the time, and they neutralized them at the North Gate of Mar-a-Lago. But to not have this

00:42:51.300 at this particular time is unbelievable. It really is that these fundamental and rudimentary steps

00:42:59.360 are not in place. And the civil service mindset, and that's why I said early on, if I had a front

00:43:04.680 burner in front of the front burner, it would be throwing out the rule book as it relates to the

00:43:11.020 Secret Service methodologies, policy. That was before Trump. That's another guy. That's Carter

00:43:17.700 or somebody, somebody sleeping at the switch and unremarkable. Trump is, if nothing else,

00:43:23.640 extremely remarkable and he's and he has developed an army of of wicked evil haters who are 0.81

00:43:31.240 committed to murdering him that book has to go out what has to come in i have some thoughts on it but

00:43:38.100 i will say the first thing is it's got to be a consideration for bringing in special forces

00:43:43.520 operators they are the best and the brightest and the fastest and they do not have a civil

00:43:48.280 service mindset they have a battlefield mindset it's entirely different they adhere better and

00:43:56.600 i'm saying as a former civil service detective they adhere better to ironclad protocols they're

00:44:02.280 much better at the command structure reporting structure they would not ever be disassembling

00:44:08.360 the magnetometer and they would not megan have had their faces buried in their phones

00:44:12.980 which I saw on various clips. Not in this lifetime.

00:44:19.840 I hate to ask this because I'm sure anybody could make this mistake, but we saw six rounds

00:44:28.180 fired when that guy approached the golf course. He was lying in wait for Trump for 12 hours.

00:44:35.120 And when Secret Service finally discovered him, they fired on him six times and missed

00:44:39.980 every single time. Now here we see a collection of, I think it's both local law enforcement and

00:44:47.540 Secret Service, but this guy, like, this is why we arm the Secret Service. This is why we arm

00:44:53.440 cops who are sent there to protect the president in case a shooter comes by with a gun. This guy

00:44:59.480 had two of them, ran right past the good guys with the guns who did appear to open fire and

00:45:05.280 once again missed missed and missed and missed and may have actually hit a fellow secret service

00:45:10.320 officer we're not sure who who hit him and we don't know exactly how many rounds if any the

00:45:15.780 actual assailant fired we just have this one woman's eyewitness testimony saying he shot a

00:45:20.800 bunch of times so we don't know but like does it does it surprise you at all that there's so much

00:45:26.360 missing going on i'd like to think that they're all like that sharpshooter who took out uh the

00:45:31.480 the killer and butler. But these guys were a lot closer. They were a lot closer than that

00:45:37.040 sharpshooter and with a lot worse aim. Well, again, it comes back to civil service mentality.

00:45:43.540 You may be mandated to train every six months, perhaps every 12 months. I'm not certain,

00:45:49.040 but probably not much more than that. Completely unlike the military. It's a completely different

00:45:54.400 set of protocols for uh for practicing and for training with your weapons uh and i i do concur

00:46:01.540 a lot of rounds do miss we don't have the facts yet that may very likely have been friendly fire

00:46:07.940 saturday night but certainly at the golf course there was a number of rounds of fired at wesley

00:46:13.820 roth uh and he was uh unscathed but again it comes to gross negligence at every level even then

00:46:23.060 uh september 15th to 24th the international one dog megan one foot patrolman and one dog would

00:46:31.480 have detected him in minutes i walked exactly that path where he was up against the gate in

00:46:38.040 the bushes a dog would have picked him up lightning fast one drone he was lying in

00:46:44.000 He was lying away for 12 hours, that guy.

00:46:47.420 12 hours, 12 hours.

00:46:50.360 He was there 12 hours.

00:46:52.400 He had his little pack of food.

00:46:53.840 He had his waters, his supplies, a little blanket for his little leggies.

00:46:58.380 I mean, you just can't make it up.

00:47:00.000 You can't make it up 12 hours.

00:47:02.440 And it wasn't the Amazon forest. 0.99

00:47:04.200 I feel like Trump is going to get killed. 0.99

00:47:08.460 I'm I'm I'm very worried that he's going to get killed. 0.94

00:47:11.620 If we didn't start taking this extremely seriously after Butler, Pat, after Butler, then we're not going to.

00:47:20.660 I mean, so Susie Wiles is going to have a meeting. 0.56

00:47:22.400 Oh, great. 0.98

00:47:22.980 Great.

00:47:23.780 But like a meeting, what are you talking about?

00:47:26.180 Like, I don't know if everybody should be fired.

00:47:28.480 What if they call you tomorrow and say, Pat, please come in and take over, take over all of the president's security, all of it, Secret Service everywhere.

00:47:36.320 What's the first thing you do?

00:47:37.840 You bring in the best and the brightest.

00:47:39.240 would pay up i would make sure that they made double so they wouldn't leave which is exactly

00:47:45.160 what i did at my business you pay up you make sure that the best and the brightest stays with

00:47:48.800 you surround yourself with them learn from them forget that you're the leader because

00:47:53.500 they've forgotten more than you know and and take their collective wisdom expertise and

00:47:59.460 and experience and meld that into an ironclad policy protocol procedure training vetting that

00:48:08.040 ensures that the president will not be murdered because i share that with you megan every single

00:48:14.160 day i think that a bullet could catch him and i thought mistakenly sadly that after butler which

00:48:20.600 was beyond biblical level catastrophe i thought at end and september 15th i thought when he was

00:48:27.840 out of 46 and then again as 47 that it would have been far far far superior and it's not

00:48:35.240 these fundamental missteps. And they're not even missteps. They're catastrophic failures in terms

00:48:41.200 of planning. Hex look on the response, right, when he ran through the magnetometer. But it's

00:48:48.200 all in the planning. It's all in setting the stage. And yeah, never should have gotten to

00:48:53.380 that point. It's what about the fact that J.D. Vance was removed from the stage before the

00:48:59.140 president and the fact that all these people are under their tables, Pat, and Trump is still

00:49:04.680 sitting up there without an agent in front of him without being pulled away. Like, how does that

00:49:10.980 happen? He's a tough cookie from Queens. That's all I can say. He's a tough cookie. He wouldn't

00:49:16.560 he wouldn't leave. And I watched a 60 minutes interview and I know from Butler because a friend

00:49:21.880 of mine was present, a Secret Service guy, and he gave me the inside skinny on it. When Trump stood

00:49:27.640 up with his fist raised and has somehow kicked off his shoes that were tightly laced, they had

00:49:33.980 to wrestle him off that stage they had to wrestle him off the stage he's a he's a tough guy i saw

00:49:40.020 the same exact thing and they were yelling at him to hit the floor and to crawl out and he he just

00:49:45.100 stayed at it he's he's really not scared of these threats uh and it's he was extremely cool and

00:49:52.380 composed yes i know he was incredibly cool and composed and of course immediately was like

00:49:57.320 let's let's go back out there we'll have we'll have the dinner we'll have the dinner

00:50:01.740 It's funny because they talked him out of that.

00:50:04.000 Because when I was watching it, I remarked to the bride.

00:50:07.320 I said, he's definitely going to come out and finish this up because he won't let a criminal thug disrupt his plans.

00:50:13.800 That's how his mind thinks. And that's what he kept saying on 60 Minutes.

00:50:16.940 But I guess other minds prevailed. But overall, horrific, horrific.

00:50:22.300 It's it's terrifying, Megan. It really is.

00:50:24.980 Because these were fundamental resource allocations, labor allocations, fixed posts.

00:50:30.900 And this could have been mitigated. This guy should never, ever, ever have been able to run

00:50:35.780 through the magnetometer checkpoint should never, ever have happened. Yep. I really hope they are

00:50:42.000 calling you, Pat Brosnan. And I hope somebody listens this time before this happens again.

00:50:47.140 Thank you for being here. Thank you, Megan. Unbelievable. Right. I mean, it's stunning. It's

00:50:52.660 like we're getting used to this. How how crazy is that? Not just assassination attempts on Trump.

00:51:00.900 but left-wing violence, what's causing it?

00:51:06.220 What is it?

00:51:07.780 I have a lot of thoughts on this

00:51:09.280 and I have a lot of thoughts on the messaging around this.

00:51:11.500 We're gonna take a quick break.

00:51:12.720 We're gonna come back.

00:51:13.440 I'll talk about it with you guys

00:51:14.600 and we're gonna bring in the guys,

00:51:16.140 the rest of the team from Real Clear Politics

00:51:18.720 to react to everything that's happening.

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00:52:42.580 as well guys welcome back okay so i two of you guys were there and i've got to start with this

00:52:49.540 as i completely understand that there was a real threat there was a lunatic with two armed guns

00:52:55.680 uh loaded guns and knives out there but the dramatics of some of these reporters

00:53:03.300 who are talking like they just got back from nam it's like okay like deep breaths you're fine

00:53:12.460 You were never actually in danger. And they like just the over the top acting is a bit much.

00:53:21.440 I'll give you just one example. Brian Stelter was out there today comparing like the trauma that he went through to that experience by actual shooting victims in mass shootings like one we saw last weekend where a nutcase killed his seven children.

00:53:37.640 Look at this. Today, I've been having some memories come back from last night, but I've

00:53:42.420 also been thinking about Shreveport, about the mass murder a week ago. I was thinking about the

00:53:46.600 mall shooting in Louisiana where that teen girl died a few days ago. The scourge of gun violence

00:53:51.680 is all too common in America. And I've been thinking about how people process it. My sources,

00:53:56.380 my contacts, my friends who were in the room with me, they're processing the traumatic stress. And

00:54:00.960 I know for me personally, the memories have been flooding back today. I remembered talking to

00:54:05.060 House Speaker, Mike Johnson, two minutes before all this went down. And then I remembered as we

00:54:09.280 were crouching on the ground, hearing people shouting, get down and wondering if there was

00:54:13.780 some assailant who was loose in the ballroom. So those memories are coming back. And I'm also

00:54:18.160 thinking about how people who work at places like CNN, people like this, we have access to

00:54:22.780 counselors, we have access to employee assistance programs. We typically have health insurance,

00:54:26.420 but what about folks in Shreveport, right? What about folks who experience this in their

00:54:31.100 communities in their hometowns in their schools in their churches okay first of all brian stelter

00:54:38.640 tweeted out oh it was just a bunch of plates that fell it was so like which is it you were so

00:54:45.620 terrified you need counseling or you actually weren't one of the scared ones because you thought

00:54:50.120 it was plates and second of all like to even raise an actual mass shooting in comparison to

00:54:57.580 what he went through is absurd.

00:55:01.760 I personally, my favorite of the night

00:55:05.140 was this guy, Michael Glantz,

00:55:06.640 who's an agent from CAA,

00:55:08.720 who never missed a bite of his salad

00:55:10.640 through the whole thing.

00:55:12.060 And somebody took a video of him eating his salad.

00:55:15.020 I'm like, that's hashtag goals.

00:55:17.560 Like everybody's under the tables

00:55:19.120 and he sat there eating his meal.

00:55:23.920 And then Dana White, I was told,

00:55:26.220 I didn't see it personally,

00:55:26.960 but I was told he was like, this is the greatest night of my life. He was like on top of the table.

00:55:31.820 He was watching the security do its thing. He had like admiration and respect for them.

00:55:36.100 This guy spends his life in the arena. So he like, he's tough to scare. Tom Bevan,

00:55:40.900 you tell me your take on it as somebody who was actually there.

00:55:43.860 So, and I saw Brian Stelter's thing and I tweeted something back at him saying, you know, listen,

00:55:50.540 there was a moment, there was about 90 seconds when after, after the noise, right, which was

00:55:56.440 this muffled sound that that we couldn't be sure was a gunshot and you know that the the doors

00:56:03.060 opened and the secret service came swarming in the room like 50 agents and they were like plowing

00:56:08.160 through climbing over tables and all that and that was kind of dramatic and we didn't know

00:56:12.020 if there was a shooter in the middle of the room they were trying to get to or what was going on

00:56:15.900 and everyone was looking around and and um but then we realized that you know they were trying

00:56:21.840 they were there trying to get to the cabinet members and get them out of the room and once

00:56:25.740 they did that and they obviously they got the president the vice president the first lady off

00:56:28.900 the stage then there was that was it i mean we were all kind of stood there and for about 15

00:56:35.780 minutes trying to you know and there was you there wasn't good wi-fi in the in the ballroom

00:56:41.080 megan which is why like people couldn't send texts or get calls or whatever so there was a bit of an

00:56:46.520 information void and then there was you'd hear oh someone said well maybe it was a a tray dropped

00:56:51.520 or something that you know um but there was this bizarre reaction from from folks some folks were

00:56:58.460 like diving under tables there was a table right next to us where after about 10 minutes these two 1.00

00:57:04.340 women literally crawled out from underneath the the tablecloth like they were under there the 1.00

00:57:08.700 whole time um i just stood up to try and see what was going on i like i'm not mocking them but it

00:57:15.180 like when everybody else is milling about like you saw these people who are crouching under the

00:57:20.000 tables for for a long long period while everybody else had already started milling about again and

00:57:24.980 going about their business and they were giving off michelle kaczynski vibes do you guys know

00:57:29.100 that reference michelle she was the nbc today show correspondent who was rowing her little canoe

00:57:36.540 through the non-existent flood and then the firefighters walked right by her in like ankle

00:57:42.380 deep water it's like at some point you have to stop pretending that you are in the middle of

00:57:48.540 a mass shooting and just eat your salad. Yeah. I will say, you know, there, there were

00:57:53.960 exceptions, you know, Erica Kirk was there and obviously she has trauma that's, that's real and

00:57:58.720 recent. And when she left, you know, she was in tears and, you know, Carl, you know, RFK Jr. was

00:58:03.540 there. Obviously he's got some family trauma that's wrapped up, but, but for the fact he had

00:58:07.060 no, he had no reaction. Yeah. RFK Jr. also ate his meal. His dad was killed in a ballroom like

00:58:13.980 this. He was like, I'm good. Where's my, what are we, is the stake coming? Is it going to be

00:58:18.660 medium or medium rare? Like there were examples of people who let's just face it. Like it's one

00:58:24.180 of these things is like a test of how you deal with trauma and like fear. And I think we'd all

00:58:29.760 like to believe that we look, this is poor Katie Miller. I feel so bad for her. She's, she's very

00:58:35.400 pregnant right now. And that's clearly a secret service agent with her, Major Garrett and Stephen

00:58:39.660 Miller trying to protect her. And if you were married to Stephen Miller, you'd have to seriously

00:58:43.860 be worried that they're going to target him because the left has made him into such a villain. 1.00

00:58:47.920 There's Cheryl Hines running after. They swoop away the principal, RFKJ. They leave the spouse 0.90

00:58:53.360 behind, unless you're Melania. So she's running after. It's not great to be the spouse. But you 0.86

00:58:59.260 do kind of wonder how you'd react. And I do respect the ones, I'm sure Tom and Carl, you were

00:59:03.380 two of them, who were just cool, just cool about it. We just, I mean, Carl actually went, started

00:59:07.680 walking. He's an old school reporter. I'll let him tell his story. He started walking away from

00:59:11.460 the table heading toward where he thought the action was i just stood up and was like we were

00:59:16.000 looking around and just kind of you know as i said it was like 90 seconds of drama and then the rest

00:59:20.880 was was kind of just it was low level chaos and confusion about what was going on and that was it

00:59:27.120 why is it always the carl cannon types like the sweet ones who you never see who are like i'm good

00:59:35.300 we're it's fine and like the big burly men are like under the table like everybody down carl's

00:59:41.580 like could you pass the salt actually actually you explain it to me well i i i had a glass of

00:59:47.240 wine in my hand and all i'll say is i i kept it in my hand you know you see those pictures

00:59:52.100 you know those guys with the baby at the ball game and they catch the foul ball without

00:59:56.540 spilling their beer while they're holding the baby you know that's that's who you want to be

01:00:01.500 It's you. Yes. Well done. Well, you know what? You're a seasoned political pro. This ain't your

01:00:07.880 first rodeo at an event like this. I don't know. It's like, I'm sure it was scary. I do not mean

01:00:14.300 to take that away from those who were in the room for like those 10 minutes. And then after you

01:00:20.020 realize you're fine and nothing happened to you, you should act like a normal human. But a lot of

01:00:25.380 these reporters truly are acting like they just got back from Fallujah. It's like, okay, can we,

01:00:31.500 Let's keep some perspective here.

01:00:33.280 I'm just going to give you one more. 0.79

01:00:34.480 Here's Olivia Rheingold.

01:00:36.480 She writes for the Free Press.

01:00:39.220 I got a thought or two on this one.

01:00:41.560 Stop 31.

01:00:45.240 We were just seated over.

01:00:48.140 I'm seated near one of the doors.

01:00:49.660 People are shouting USA now.

01:01:01.500 I don't know. I just heard, like, four huge knocks by this door. Everyone.

01:01:16.160 I don't know if it's safe now, but.

01:01:20.920 okay i first of all you don't wear mini pigtails to the white house correspondence dinner second

01:01:34.600 of all she shows herself crouching and all the guys she shows the guys all the guys are standing

01:01:39.260 up all around her she's like the only one left crouching and third of all note to self olivia

01:01:44.560 to be a good reporter, you turn the camera outward to film what's happening in the ballroom,

01:01:53.300 not yourself. Is there a better example of the vainglorious upcoming class of reporters in

01:02:00.840 America today? Keep it on me. I'm telling you there might be a shooter here, but I want you

01:02:07.820 to see me and how scared I am. Carl, I object. Well, you know what, Megan, you're, you're onto

01:02:14.940 something. So in my day, you had the way you got to cover the white house. You started at a small

01:02:22.080 newspaper. You covered police and courts and fires. Then you went to a bigger newspaper. You

01:02:27.520 covered police and courts, you know, then you went to city hall. You covered, you know, you covered

01:02:33.160 and you go to courts, you covered trials, murder trials. If you're really good, you get to go to

01:02:37.060 the state capitol and then finally you get to go to washington well you know those newspapers the

01:02:41.900 pipeline doesn't exist anymore and you get people covering the white house who've never never never

01:02:46.040 covered a never covered a murder case never covered a trial never never covered a fire and

01:02:50.860 sometimes it shows um you know brian brian stelter stelter i i think tom's as we speak in sort of a

01:02:57.380 exchange with his his fans on x but you know you don't compare yourself to victims of a shooting

01:03:05.960 He wasn't at those places. He wasn't in Shreveport. Having said that, there were people in that room,

01:03:13.260 Megan, who had every right to be very alarmed and very scared and very upset. You know,

01:03:19.320 Tom mentioned a couple of them. You mentioned Erica Kirk is one. The White House press secretary

01:03:25.560 is nine months pregnant. And I thought, as you did, Megan, immediately of Bobby Kennedy Jr. 0.74

01:03:30.880 I had spoken with him, had a reception at some length just before, half an hour earlier, and he asked me where I was from, and I told him, and I told him a story about one of the reasons I went into, became a reporter, was when I was on my paper route in Sacramento the night his father was killed, his father and namesake, as you point out, in a crowded, chaotic ballroom.

01:03:55.200 and i had to hand out the newspapers that morning to you know 96 in the morning people were up there

01:04:01.900 was no cable television i had to hand paper and the paper didn't even have the shooting it had

01:04:06.340 bobby kennedy won the california primary and i had to tell people my mom told me she said i said mom

01:04:12.460 nobody will be awake she said they'll be awake and i said where's dad he's at work he was a

01:04:17.500 newspaper man in sacramento so i had this three by five card and i read these and the route usually

01:04:22.620 took me about 45 minutes it took me two and a half hours this day and usually the woman in the house

01:04:27.900 would come out and people would hug you and they were sad and so bobby kennedy at every right you

01:04:33.040 know you're right he you know he the somebody came the security got him pulled him up literally

01:04:38.340 climbed on a table he's very you know he's big and athletic and then his wife was right behind him

01:04:42.020 he had a if he's traumatized he has a right to be i don't know that he was how about steve

01:04:47.500 Scalise. Yeah. They had at least two people there, Steve Scalise and President Trump,

01:04:52.140 who had been shot before in acts of political violence. I mean, it's like, I haven't seen

01:04:58.540 Steve's reaction, but I saw, you know, President Trump was cool as a cucumber. Here's a little of

01:05:02.380 the president. I thought this is actually a really good point. He said this, he held a presser right

01:05:07.360 after. He went back to the White House, held a presser. The press corps is sitting there in

01:05:11.420 their ball gowns and tuxes. President Trump's still in his tux. And he made a good point here

01:05:16.340 and sought 17. I've studied assassinations and I must tell you the most impactful people,

01:05:25.180 the people that do the most, you take a look at the people, Abraham Lincoln. I mean, you go through

01:05:30.540 the people that have gone through this where they got them, but the people that do the most,

01:05:37.020 the people that make the biggest impact, they're the ones that they go after.

01:05:41.500 they don't go after the ones that don't do much because they like it that way and when you look

01:05:47.480 at the people that have either whether it was an attempt or a successful attempt they're very

01:05:54.720 impactful people just take a look at the names here the big names and I hate to say I'm honored

01:06:01.940 by that but I've done a lot we've done a lot we have we've taken this country and we were a laughing

01:06:08.720 stock for years, and now we're the hottest country anywhere in the world. We've changed

01:06:12.740 this country, and there are a lot of people that are not happy about that.

01:06:18.280 Andrew, he talked about how his job is a dangerous job, and he knows that in today's day and age,

01:06:24.980 and he's willing to take the risk. Yeah, it's the most dangerous job in America,

01:06:28.100 I think he's called it on more than one occasion. And he's right, and that press conference he gave

01:06:34.240 immediately after um i thought he struck the right tone i thought that he was complimentary

01:06:40.460 to the press um he said that he wanted to hold the dinner again within 30 days um said that he

01:06:48.280 wanted to keep the dinner going that night um so you you got a sense of his resilience in these

01:06:54.420 situations which you know happen all too often now but this is but his third time around in the last

01:07:00.740 two years where he's been the subject of an attack so he you know i hate to say he's kind

01:07:06.080 of used to it and i hope we aren't used to it but uh his his sort of his affable give and take with

01:07:15.480 the press after that i thought was was uh was to his credit yeah he was magnanimous he was he

01:07:23.220 sounded like the Trump at the Republican National Convention, which was days after the Butler

01:07:31.220 assassination attempt, where he sounded much more magnanimous than we're used to President Trump

01:07:35.780 sounding. You know, we're used to the fighter and the one who's like, you're an idiot, you're a loser, 1.00

01:07:41.340 you're low IQ, whatever. But Megan, just a historical correction here. These assassins 1.00

01:07:49.540 don't only go after impactful presidents they tried to kill jerry ford twice in like a month

01:07:57.180 there were two assassinations he never heard anybody or did anything he he was a caretaker

01:08:02.120 buzzkill carl yeah i'll give you another one we're thinking i think trump's thinking lincoln

01:08:06.780 he's thinking kennedy you know he's thinking some of the reagan the attempt james a garfield

01:08:11.380 the greats i'll give you i'll give you kennedy i'll raise your detail

01:08:16.400 okay um here is an example of what i'm talking about though listen to him he's like he's he

01:08:23.940 gives a shout out here to weijia jang who's the president of the white house correspondence to

01:08:28.180 dinner who is the person sitting to trump's left on the dais uh who organized this whole thing

01:08:33.940 and now they're back at the white house for this uh you know impromptu press conference here in

01:08:39.460 out 15. Madam Chairman, I just want to say you did a fantastic job. What a beautiful evening,

01:08:46.360 and we're going to reschedule. After that, it's very tough for her to ask a killer question,

01:08:54.700 right? But you have done a fantastic job. Please. Thank you, Mr. President. I appreciate it.

01:08:59.560 As you mentioned, it all happened so quickly, and I wonder, especially because,

01:09:06.640 Unfortunately, you have experience with these sorts of threats.

01:09:10.940 In that moment, when you realized there was a threat and service agents were telling us to get down,

01:09:17.920 can you describe what was going through your mind, how you were feeling in that moment?

01:09:23.780 That's a very good question, actually.

01:09:25.420 It's always shocking when something like this happens.

01:09:28.820 It's happened to me a little bit, and that never changes.

01:09:33.120 so just a different tone entirely there right from a president who's normally much more

01:09:41.240 combative with the press but it was openly calling for actually the temperature to be

01:09:47.200 turned down i'll play one more guys not just between him and the press but with americans

01:09:52.220 here he is in sat 12 so as you know this is not the first time in the past couple of years that

01:09:57.420 our republic has been attacked by a would-be assassin who sought to kill in Butler, Pennsylvania

01:10:05.020 less than two years ago. You all know that story. And in Palm Beach, Florida, a few months after

01:10:09.860 that, we came close. We really had, again, we had some great work done by law enforcement.

01:10:18.400 But in light of this evening's events, I ask that all Americans recommit with their hearts in

01:10:24.220 resolving our difference peacefully we have to we have to resolve our differences

01:10:29.400 i mean i don't think this moment of detente with the press will last tom bevan and unfortunately

01:10:39.100 i don't think and i don't think it'll last on either part i don't think the the press will be

01:10:43.540 any nicer to trump and i don't think trump will be any nicer to the press and i think we will

01:10:46.880 devolve back into the very low level name calling situation within hours. But I also unfortunately

01:10:55.060 don't believe the president is going to convince anybody to tone it down, to resolve our differences

01:11:03.200 peacefully, as he said. There's just too many nut jobs out there. And the messaging around Trump has

01:11:08.980 been too ubiquitously catastrophic in its levels of hysteria. Like, I don't even know if you can

01:11:16.880 turn it down. You know, what do you think? I agree. And look, Nora O'Donnell already ruined

01:11:21.340 it. And I heard your righteous rant on that earlier in the show. I mean, you know, that 1.00

01:11:26.680 so it's already it's already spoiled. And, you know, the headlines were, oh, Trump's

01:11:31.600 detente with the press, you know, is over or something. I mean, she's the one who basically

01:11:35.600 ruined it by reading that quote and then pretending that she was, oh, you think that's 0.96

01:11:41.120 about you? It was really, really disingenuous. But I think you're right. Look, the coverage of

01:11:50.180 Trump, and I know, look, Trump has played into this too. He's used harsh language about his

01:11:54.180 political opponents, and the left always points that out. But when you look at the shooters,

01:12:00.320 if we call it a manifesto the stuff that he said about trumping a pedophile and a rapist and a 0.97

01:12:06.660 traitor and a fascist and all that that is what you get on msnbc every single day for 10 hours a 0.92

01:12:14.000 day and have gotten for 10 years and so i yes he's not a he's not a mentally ill person the shooter 0.98

01:12:23.480 He's not some deranged wacko. He's basically been radicalized by the left and the media into thinking that they create this permission structure, which allows some of these people who, you know, to malfunction and decide that, you know what, I'm going to take care of this.

01:12:41.200 And I am doing so, my doing so is justified and in some ways righteous because I believe this person is so evil.

01:12:51.500 And they've done that.

01:12:52.700 And then they all come out like they did, you know, Hakeem Jeffries, who just last week said maximum warfare every day, all day, is now like it's a time for unity.

01:13:01.280 And I'm so glad that nobody was hurt.

01:13:03.460 And they try and wave it away like, you know, they haven't been complicit in the demonization of this president in particular for a dozen years.

01:13:17.080 And the irony, of course, because Trump, while very not normal in his rhetoric, is actually quite moderate in most of his policies.

01:13:26.820 Now, he's been hardline on immigration up until recently anyway.

01:13:31.180 That's what the American people put him in office to do.

01:13:33.920 The polls showed that the public was majority behind him on the deportations and closing of the border.

01:13:38.820 But on most of everything else, Trump has been very moderate, even like the trade practices and the tariffs and all that.

01:13:44.500 That's not right wing. That's not right wing at all.

01:13:47.020 He wants to take over Spirit Airlines. That's like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren should be, you know, breaking out the pom-poms.

01:13:54.300 Right. Like Trump is not radical in his policies at all.

01:13:58.520 He's just a fighter, rhetorically.

01:14:01.260 He's a fighter.

01:14:02.380 He engages with the press.

01:14:04.180 He gives as good as he gets.

01:14:06.420 And that's led them to hate him and write the worst possible things about him.

01:14:10.400 And you're right.

01:14:11.000 They all show up here.

01:14:12.160 It's no accident this guy was well-educated, had an advanced degree.

01:14:16.380 He says things like, I don't expect forgiveness, but if I could have seen any other way to get this close, I would have taken it onto why I did any of this.

01:14:25.800 Alert, Barack Obama.

01:14:26.980 This part's for you.

01:14:29.080 We may never know the motive.

01:14:30.680 Here's why I did it.

01:14:32.080 Wait, okay.

01:14:33.900 Literally, he says that onto why I did this.

01:14:37.340 I'm a citizen of the US.

01:14:39.440 What my representatives do reflects on me

01:14:41.980 and I'm no longer willing to permit 1.00

01:14:43.500 a pedophile rapist and traitor 1.00

01:14:44.840 to cope my hands with his crimes. 1.00

01:14:47.600 Well, to be completely honest,

01:14:49.320 I was no longer willing a long time ago,

01:14:50.860 but this is the first real opportunity

01:14:52.180 I've had to do something about it.

01:14:54.680 Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. 0.97

01:14:55.920 Then he goes through who he will kill

01:14:57.580 and who he won't. For some reason, he exempted Kash Patel. He appears to like him, but everybody 0.65

01:15:03.000 else was fair game, especially administration officials. He didn't want to have to kill hotel

01:15:08.320 security, Capitol Police, National Guard, hotel employees or guests, but said he would if he had

01:15:13.720 to in order to get to the targets he wanted. And then he goes on to say, rebuttals to objections.

01:15:23.160 One, as a Christian, you should turn the other cheek. No, my rebuttal is turning the other cheek

01:15:27.440 is for when you yourself are oppressed. I'm not the person raped in a detention camp.

01:15:32.660 I'm not the fisherman executed without trial. He's talking about those Venezuela drug boats,

01:15:37.240 I think. I'm not a school kid blown up or a child starved or a teenage girl abused

01:15:42.760 by the many criminals in this administration. I don't know what that is. I'm not sure what

01:15:46.740 that's a reference to. Objection two, this is not a convenient time for you to do this.

01:15:52.160 He's just making this shit up because I don't think anybody would have said, 0.98

01:15:54.700 this is not a convenient time for the murder. Find a more convenient time. But in any event, 0.99

01:16:00.000 his rebuttal to his fake objection is, take a couple minutes and realize the world isn't about

01:16:05.600 them. Do you think that when I see someone raped or murdered or abused, I should walk on by because

01:16:11.140 it would be inconvenient for people who aren't the victim? Objection three, you didn't get them all.

01:16:15.720 Rebuttal, got to start somewhere. Objection four, as a half black, half white person, 0.98

01:16:19.980 you shouldn't be the one doing this. Rebuttal, I don't see anyone else picking up the slack. 1.00

01:16:24.120 Objection five. Yield unto Caesar. What is Caesar's? Rebuttal. The U.S. is ruled by the law, not by any one or several people. Insofar as our representatives and judges do not follow the law, no one is required to yield them anything so lawfully ordered. And he goes on from there.

01:16:42.940 And then, by the way, he has a whole long page on how incompetent the Secret Service is.

01:16:47.360 Astoundingly so.

01:16:48.460 Talking about how he had free reign over the hotel.

01:16:50.780 No one stopped him.

01:16:51.680 He walked right in.

01:16:53.020 There were no security cameras.

01:16:55.080 His hotel room wasn't bugged as he thought it might be, I guess, given his rhetoric about

01:16:58.360 the president.

01:16:59.340 He thought he'd see armed agents every 10 feet, metal detectors out the wazoo.

01:17:03.440 What I got, who knows, maybe they're pranking me, is nothing. 0.98

01:17:06.820 No damn security. 0.96

01:17:07.780 Not in transport. 0.99

01:17:08.540 Not in the hotel.

01:17:09.300 Not in the event.

01:17:10.580 Goes on from there.

01:17:11.180 it's just amazing when he gets onto that part. So you guys tell me, because I'm very interested

01:17:16.260 in this piece of the debate. You could, Tom's right, you could see all those terms, rapist, 0.87

01:17:21.660 pedophile, et cetera, on any MSNBC show, on any left-leaning podcast, radio show, et cetera.

01:17:29.660 But the left has been doing this to the right for many, many decades. You know, a shooter shows up,

01:17:34.740 a mass shooter, and says something that tracks something Trump said in a speech, or Sean Hannity

01:17:42.280 or Rush Limbaugh back in the day may have said. And we on the right have said for years,

01:17:47.820 nutcases are nutcases, and you can't pin their nutcase behavior on the words of an anchor or 0.91

01:17:54.200 a radio show host. And I still believe that. This is my own take. I still believe that. 0.95

01:17:59.580 But I also believe that, like, that the incendiary rhetoric around Trump is ubiquitous now.

01:18:08.860 Like, it is so out of control and so constant.

01:18:12.960 You also cannot just write it off like it had no effect when we keep hearing it out of shooter after shooter's mouth, you know?

01:18:22.580 I mean, I could say the same thing about Charlie and then what wound up on that shooter's bullets.

01:18:27.920 but like, so where do you stand on the rhetoric has something to do with it or it doesn't have

01:18:33.720 anything to do with it? Andrew? Well, I think the rhetoric does have something to do with it.

01:18:39.560 Um, there's certainly, well, I'll just back up one thing. Uh, Carl and I talked about this

01:18:46.300 earlier on our program. Um, we should not refer to this document as a manifesto, which we just

01:18:51.420 read. It's about a thousand words that the guy wrote. It, it's pretty nonsensical. It doesn't

01:18:56.140 make sense it's not when we we give it too much credit when we call it a manifesto there is such

01:19:01.800 a thing as a manifesto uh the communist manifesto is a good example of it i you know this is not that

01:19:08.420 um but i think that the you know there's you don't have to go all the way to you know a murder like

01:19:16.920 this a political murder to to understand why this level of political rhetoric is bad i mean we see

01:19:23.440 in our everyday lives um if you try to have a political conversation with a friend right now

01:19:28.320 it's very difficult um and you know on our program where we kind of disagree on things

01:19:34.080 but we're all friends uh we're trying to model in some sense how we used to have political

01:19:41.120 discussions in washington uh and how we think it should be done um so i i do think that the

01:19:49.200 the rhetoric should be turned down on both sides.

01:19:51.360 I think that would be nice.

01:19:52.840 But I also agree with your original point,

01:19:55.920 which is that there are going to be people out there.

01:19:58.760 We live in a country with a lot of guns and a lot of freedom

01:20:03.120 and a lot of freedom to move around the country.

01:20:05.880 And if we don't want to live in a police state,

01:20:07.780 we're going to have to sort of securitize the area around our politicians

01:20:13.740 and our leading officials in order to keep them safe.

01:20:19.400 I don't think there's any way around that.

01:20:21.660 That's right.

01:20:22.160 So we have, this is a very good point

01:20:23.660 because here's what we have.

01:20:24.740 We have the same security perimeter around Trump

01:20:27.840 that we would have put around Carter

01:20:29.540 at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, 0.99

01:20:31.020 which is just foolish. 0.98

01:20:32.440 Right. 0.99

01:20:33.100 But it's especially, because of Trump and who he is, 0.99

01:20:35.040 but it's especially foolish when you consider 0.97

01:20:37.080 that we do live in a cesspool of really charged rhetoric 0.97

01:20:43.400 around this president and his top admin officials.

01:20:48.340 And here's the third piece,

01:20:50.920 where political violence is more accepted than ever,

01:20:55.220 especially amongst young people.

01:20:57.220 If you look at the polls,

01:20:58.300 like young liberals are just fine with political violence.

01:21:01.740 In like some scary numbers, over 20% are like,

01:21:06.140 yeah, it's fine to feel happy

01:21:07.140 when somebody I don't like politically gets assassinated.

01:21:09.900 I'm good with that.

01:21:10.500 And so while I wouldn't say, you know, you can't blame this assassination attempt on a Joy Reid type who says the most incendiary things, Carl, you have to factor in that there's not only that ubiquitous message, but there is ubiquitous leftist celebration of political violence.

01:21:32.360 I agree with you.

01:21:33.420 I guess ubiquitous is not the right word there, but it's widespread.

01:21:36.480 It's widespread on the left.

01:21:37.580 I'm just going to give you an example.

01:21:38.840 Here's Corinne Baum, another teacher. This would-be assassin was a teacher. The Lucy Martinez, who did the shooting in the neck, infamous video outside at the No Kings rally after Charlie was killed over and over to a truck going by with an American flag that praised Charlie. 0.98

01:21:59.000 She's a teacher.

01:22:00.040 Here she is. 1.00

01:22:01.900 Disgusting filth, that woman. 1.00

01:22:04.400 And here's another teacher, Corinne Baum, teacher of young children at the Children's 1.00

01:22:08.540 House Ohio on TikTok.

01:22:10.900 Watch this.

01:22:11.500 It's out 21.

01:22:12.940 Man, there's been a few creators on here saying that like Friday or yesterday could have been

01:22:18.100 the day.

01:22:19.260 And then I wake up to that news, but not that news.

01:22:23.720 we're gonna have to pay really close attention to what they're trying to actually distract us

01:22:31.080 from one more another another another sound but here sat 22 i wake up each morning hoping he has

01:22:43.560 died i go to bed each night hoping by the time i get up in the morning he has died i'm fully

01:22:53.060 convinced that we can't even begin to start fixing any of our problems until he has died 0.99

01:23:02.180 for the love of all things good just fucking die another teacher the he too is a teacher 0.98

01:23:11.960 and carl that that also relates so it's the acceptance of political violence deb sent me 0.99

01:23:17.780 the poll, YouGov polling, 22% of liberals under age 44 say it's okay to feel happy when a political

01:23:23.900 opponent dies compared to just 6% of conservatives that same age. So it's all that. But then all

01:23:32.180 these teachers have access to our children coming up through the pipeline. What does the lesson

01:23:37.200 plan look like in history, in English, even in math and gym these days, they find ways of

01:23:42.380 indoctrinating the children K through 12. It's not just college anymore. Right. So like all

01:23:48.360 these factors have gone into why it's more dangerous than ever to be a Republican. Let's

01:23:55.840 face it. It's to be a Republican because it's our side of the aisle that's getting killed.

01:24:01.000 Well, I agree with you that that one teacher said we can't begin to solve our problems until 0.93

01:24:05.920 Trump dies. I would turn that around. I say we can't begin to solve our problems as long as

01:24:11.500 we're letting people like this have access to our children that let's just start there um you know

01:24:17.800 and and megan they're taught the the mantra on college campuses it started out that speech

01:24:22.940 is violent you know speech is violence speech i don't like is violence and then

01:24:26.940 the the next level was silence is violence well if you actually say that then then how are you

01:24:33.080 telling if you're teaching young people that then how do you tell them that violence is wrong because

01:24:38.380 you know it's like anything they don't agree with is violent so that they can respond violently to

01:24:43.880 it and i it's a real it's it's it's a existential problem for this country that we are teaching a

01:24:50.860 whole generation of americans that if they don't like somebody they it's okay to kill them or root

01:24:55.500 for their death and it's not only that it's so destructive it's that it shows they're not even

01:25:01.740 capable of abstract reasoning we're teaching people not to think because the abstract reasoning there

01:25:06.600 is, oh, well, it'd be okay if somebody

01:25:08.660 who disagreed with me would kill me? 0.89

01:25:10.620 Well, no, I guess not. Well, they're not even

01:25:12.680 getting that far. So we're teaching

01:25:14.680 a generation of people, first of all,

01:25:16.300 apostatizing them on politics. Then we're

01:25:18.600 teaching them that violence is okay. And then we're teaching

01:25:20.540 them not to think. And it's a toxic combination.

01:25:23.700 And I'll say one

01:25:24.660 other thing, Megan, to your original point,

01:25:27.060 you know, was Rush Lombaugh,

01:25:28.500 you know, responsible for the Oklahoma City

01:25:30.260 bombing? Of course not. But you know,

01:25:33.000 you know, was

01:25:34.440 Alex Jones responsible for the 0.96

01:25:36.580 nut the poor bastard who showed up at the pizza place in washington dc yeah maybe and but this is 0.96

01:25:44.480 not alex jones types in the democratic party these are members of congress who are repeating things 0.98

01:25:50.140 from the jeffrey epstein files that they they know are false or they should know are false

01:25:55.120 and they're they're slandering trump on a daily basis and demonizing him and so some there are

01:26:00.800 going to be some people and i this this shooter to me is clearly not legally insane he doesn't

01:26:05.140 meet the legal definition. But he's clearly been, he's been radicalized, as Tom pointed out.

01:26:10.160 He's a misanthrope. He's a malcontent. He's got this grandiose idea. But he's operating under 0.96

01:26:15.980 things he thinks are factual because he'd been told, not by crazy people, not by Joy Reid,

01:26:21.740 not by people who get their, you know, make money by being incendiary, but by elected members of

01:26:28.840 the Democratic Party, leaders in the Democratic Party who repeat this stuff, knowing it's wrong.

01:26:33.560 and what what's going to be the result of that it's going to be this

01:26:37.540 yeah the the reference to a teenage girl abused does suggest he's been watching msnbc or listening

01:26:44.840 to top democrats who took those unsubstantiated epstein allegations and just put them on the

01:26:50.280 board as fact and accepted they're not only unsubstantiated there's there's a lot of evidence

01:26:55.520 that they're not true i mean that i i don't just say that i think they're lying about it megan i

01:27:00.580 think that if they thought about it for a minute, there's no evidence it's true at all. And they

01:27:05.240 should know that. Yes. But they ran with that. I saw many segments on MSNBC about those

01:27:11.080 ridiculous allegations. We did not touch them. It was ridiculous. Go ahead, Tom. 0.91

01:27:14.720 I just want to add, one of the things that disturbs me most about you play that clip of

01:27:18.760 the teacher and the other one, is that we're, the inhumanity, I mean, we're just, as a country,

01:27:28.760 as individuals, we're losing our humanity. If you can't, if you're rooting for the death

01:27:34.480 of another person or you celebrate the death of another person for any reason, but certainly

01:27:41.800 over politics, over ideas, over a difference of viewpoints, I mean, you have really,

01:27:48.080 your soul has been corrupted. And I don't know how we turn that around. And that's disturbing

01:27:56.200 to me most when I see these people and I'm like, how can you possibly just as a, as a human be

01:28:03.120 saying and feeling and thinking these things because they're so deeply inhuman.

01:28:09.540 I know I've said before, like, I can't think of somebody on the other side of the aisle whose

01:28:14.540 death I would celebrate. I just, I, that's so crazy. And in fact, people have asked me many

01:28:20.640 times, like clearly President Trump and I have had our ups and downs together over the many years

01:28:26.080 that I've been covering him.

01:28:28.100 And I just, I don't hold it against him personally.

01:28:31.940 I don't love it.

01:28:32.740 Of course, it is annoying,

01:28:34.320 but I don't hold it against him personally

01:28:36.580 because as they say,

01:28:38.040 and you guys know this better than anyone,

01:28:39.700 politics ain't beanball.

01:28:41.320 And it's like, if you're gonna get in the arena

01:28:42.900 and you're gonna have your own sharp commentary,

01:28:45.520 every once in a while,

01:28:46.260 you're gonna run into a politician

01:28:47.240 who's gonna elbow you right back

01:28:48.640 in the eye socket rhetorically.

01:28:50.500 And you have to be able to take that

01:28:51.840 without getting too personal about it,

01:28:54.660 like making it a personal thing. This press corps can't take it. Like they can't take

01:28:59.300 his return rhetorical fire. They personalize it. They internalize it. They grow to loathe him.

01:29:06.600 It's reflected in their coverage. It's just got to stop. We got to get back to the way it used

01:29:12.580 to be when the reporters would try to be objective and at a minimum to project objectivity,

01:29:19.520 to remove the adjectives from their reporting.

01:29:24.260 You know, Carl, I came up in a different way.

01:29:25.720 I was a practitioner of law for many years,

01:29:27.980 almost a decade, and then I got into reporting.

01:29:30.540 But I too started in local TV

01:29:32.640 and was out there doing snow preps,

01:29:36.040 standing in front of the salt mines,

01:29:38.160 you know, covering all like weather and hurricanes

01:29:40.840 and all the stuff.

01:29:42.520 And you do learn one thing when you're doing that, humility.

01:29:46.400 You learn humility, that you are but a cog in the wheel,

01:29:50.280 that you are a part of an important system,

01:29:52.200 but it's really not about you.

01:29:54.320 It's not about you when you're standing out there.

01:29:56.500 It's about the potential loss of life

01:29:58.360 that's coming your way.

01:29:59.260 It's about your audience who's watching you

01:30:00.880 for reliable information.

01:30:02.480 It's not about you, Olivia Reingold,

01:30:05.380 as you're crouching in your very weird

01:30:07.860 double mini pigtails.

01:30:10.200 All right, stand by.

01:30:11.360 I have to take a break.

01:30:14.300 We've got to talk about Margaret Brennan and Melania, who just launched one at Jimmy Kimmel.

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01:31:38.240 OK, Margaret Brennan of CBS News gets an interview with acting attorney general Todd Blanche yesterday.

01:31:47.620 And you could go so many different places with what happened on Saturday night.

01:31:52.340 We've gone to most of them in these two hours here today.

01:31:56.000 This is one place you should not go.

01:31:58.720 This is not the place.

01:32:00.420 Maybe 10 days after the shooting, some leftist might raise this. 0.98

01:32:05.820 Even then it would be dumb.

01:32:07.220 But you definitely, within 24 hours, 12 hours of the event, don't go here on how the shooter

01:32:13.560 took a train with a gun. Watch this. Here in the District of Columbia, open carry is not permitted.

01:32:20.900 You just said he traveled from California across the country by train. At this point,

01:32:27.040 are you thinking at the federal level of changing security protocols in any way to, for example,

01:32:33.900 match on trains, which you are expected to go through when you fly, where you do have to declare

01:32:40.160 a weapon when you cross state lines. Look, this isn't about, in my mind, changing the law or

01:32:45.280 making the laws more restrictive around possession of firearms. It appears he purchased these

01:32:50.300 firearms the past couple of years. We don't know how those firearms ended up in his possession in

01:32:55.420 D.C. I'm not talking about changing the law in terms of possession of a firearm. I'm asking

01:32:59.200 about crossing state lines with that firearm and arriving in the Capitol. If you try to fly,

01:33:03.900 You do have to have your firearms declared in some way.

01:33:07.460 You don't when you get on a train.

01:33:11.400 That's the issue.

01:33:13.920 We need TSA at Amtrak.

01:33:18.020 That's where she went with it, guys.

01:33:19.960 Because, like, why don't we have TSA before you get into your car?

01:33:23.380 Everyone has to be inspected before they, at Avis, at Hertz, and then also at their homes,

01:33:28.520 before they get into their cars and dare drive across the country, Tom.

01:33:32.840 I mean, look, Margaret Brennan is, she has distinguished herself, not in a good way, many, many times over the last year or so with her line of questioning, her performance in the debate, all of that.

01:33:51.040 um and this is almost inexplicable you've got how many minutes 10 minutes with the acting attorney

01:33:58.100 general of the united states to talk about a significant major news event that just happened

01:34:04.820 the night before and this is what you choose i mean it just it boggles the mind and it does it

01:34:10.980 does make you question you know what these reporters are are thinking um and and how skewed

01:34:18.160 their viewpoints are that this is the kinds of questions that they would they would eat up that 0.88

01:34:22.780 valuable time with well there's a reason for she was more interested in virtue signaling to her 1.00

01:34:29.260 audience than she was in actually doing journalism and you need look no further than her stupid little 1.00

01:34:36.760 arm tag at the event for verification she showed up at the dinner wearing a hideous dress hideous 1.00

01:34:46.740 gentlemen i'm sorry but it couldn't have been uglier or less flattering it's so bad she's got 1.00

01:34:52.700 like the madonna pointy breast thing happening in the front of it with the with the points above 1.00

01:34:57.320 that too all pointy pointy sharp pointy nothing soft about her and that's she needs something 0.75

01:35:02.640 soft given like the face the makeup it's harsh the hair like something feminine and then these 0.97

01:35:09.020 all the way up to the shoulder um gloves red as well with a little armband it looks like a purchase

01:35:14.460 Price stuck on there. And it reads same as Jake Tapper's little pocket square. Congress shall

01:35:21.380 make no law abridging the freedom of the press or of speech because she really needed a virtue

01:35:27.800 signal. She was there, but she hates Trump. I've got to say I was saying this to my team beforehand. 0.93

01:35:33.420 Don Lemon did this weird thing where he was like, I'm not going. You know, he's he's a fascist or 0.85

01:35:37.700 whatever he called him. He's like, I'm not going. I got to tell you, I respect that. I actually if 0.89

01:35:42.020 you believe that, as I'm sure Marco Brennan does too, then do what Don Lemon did. Don't go. He's

01:35:47.060 right about that. Of course, he also thinks the whole thing was a hoax, that it was staged. That's

01:35:51.400 what he's asking everybody. So it can only go so far in painting him as the reasonable one, but

01:35:57.900 that's why she asked that question. She's got to wear her armband and Carl, she's got to tell

01:36:02.620 everybody there that everybody watching her show, that she knows this is really at its heart about

01:36:07.120 gun violence. Well, that's, that's right. That's what this is. That phrase gun violence came up

01:36:12.300 and I, I, I, I get it. I know what it means. And I, I remember, you know, Jim Brady was the press

01:36:18.660 secretary. I met him once. He was a lovely man. He was Reagan's press secretary. He was shot in

01:36:22.800 the head and grievously wounded, was never the same and eventually died at that same hotel.

01:36:27.760 And his widow started a campaign against handguns. And because a guy like she wondered quite

01:36:34.180 properly, Sarah Brady, why a guy like John Hinckley could buy a handgun. It's a debate worth

01:36:39.140 having. It was an issue that I covered, and I thought her heart was in the right place.

01:36:44.060 But when Democrats today use the phrase gun violence, they almost mean something else.

01:36:48.760 The way they say it, it's like the gun did the violence on its own. And I don't think this is a

01:36:56.000 gun control story. Some crimes are, Megan. This one isn't. This guy, he never had a record. He

01:37:01.700 bought guns legally as you pointed out in your in minimal way he could have driven across country

01:37:06.380 just as easily as taking a train this is not this is not really a story about gun control if you're

01:37:11.420 being if you're being honest if you're being if you look at the issue fairly um but you know we

01:37:17.380 look but we have you want to be careful not to have double standards and you know tom and i and

01:37:21.860 andy we're what we always talk about that on the show and i think sometimes we're guilty of it i

01:37:26.260 mean we were just talking about people dying you know rooting for a person to death well tom

01:37:31.500 I mean, just didn't Donald Trump say how he was glad Robert Mueller was dead?

01:37:36.880 I mean, this doesn't only come from the left and this kind of rhetoric.

01:37:40.020 And so, you know, I wanted to point that out as well.

01:37:43.720 Well, it's true.

01:37:44.560 But I would say I think the vast majority of Republicans and Trump supporters, I mean, maybe not the most hardcore, but the vast majority condemned that.

01:37:54.040 You know, like when President Trump does that, he gets ripped by his own side.

01:37:58.200 He did get ripped for that.

01:37:59.140 And he should have gotten ripped for it.

01:38:01.220 The left doesn't do that.

01:38:03.220 They don't self-police over there.

01:38:04.980 Andrew, what did you think of Margaret's dress and why am I ready to stop it?

01:38:10.620 Oh, God.

01:38:12.520 I mean, questions.

01:38:13.280 She loves you the most, Andy.

01:38:14.640 She wouldn't ask you questions like that.

01:38:17.220 I have three daughters and a wife who would be able to answer that in a heartbeat and tell you everything you want about the dress. 0.54

01:38:24.680 I think she looks great. 1.00

01:38:26.160 She looks like Cruella DeVille.

01:38:26.740 I think she looks great.

01:38:27.840 No, you don't think that.

01:38:29.320 No, you don't.

01:38:29.980 No.

01:38:30.320 I deny that. On your behalf, I deny that. He's trying to stand his wife's good side.

01:38:35.540 No, no, I do not criticize women's choices in dresses. I think she looks terrific.

01:38:42.520 How about her choice in questions?

01:38:44.460 There I think you have a point. And I think the interesting thing that struck me about it is

01:38:50.980 if DC has these terrific gun laws, it again shows that the gun laws really can't stop this sort of 0.50

01:38:59.300 thing i i have friends who come out to eastern shore where i lived to to shoot and uh you have

01:39:06.060 to be very careful about which when you're driving through washington dc with a gun in your car you

01:39:10.600 have to have it locked and disassembled i mean there's so if you're if you're a you know of a

01:39:15.240 legal gun owner coming out to you know shoot some uh you know clays um you take it all very seriously

01:39:21.560 because there's horrible horrible consequences if you don't but i think for uh someone like this

01:39:27.500 obviously it just shows that you know if you want to get into a hotel in washington dc

01:39:32.260 uh with a firearm uh you can do it um you know i just i do want to bring up hassan piker if we

01:39:40.340 could for just a second because yeah we're talking about um he's a left-wing podcaster right and um

01:39:46.420 because it helps if you do have a sort of a a mythology mythology and an ideology that that

01:39:54.200 allows violence and he you know these leftists because he brought this up in the new york times

01:39:59.100 last week he called it uh it's called social murder it's uh and he he he quoted frederick

01:40:05.700 angles on it he said brian thompson the united health care ceo was engaged in a tremendous

01:40:11.340 amount of social murder and that's a fascinating story for me because americans are very draconian

01:40:17.360 about crime and punishment they're very black and white on this issue and yet because of the

01:40:21.940 pervasive pain that the private health care system has created for the average american i saw so many

01:40:27.540 people immediately understand why this death had taken place i mean to me that's frightening i mean

01:40:34.000 that is that is justifying murder through you know your left a left-wing ideology and i think that

01:40:41.960 that um that's one of the things we have to contend with with the sort of rise in uh in socialism in

01:40:48.760 the united states there's a lot of stuff that comes along with the economic part of socialism

01:40:52.880 it's mostly uh about using violence actually and um people just should be aware of that going forward

01:41:00.220 that's my take oh you know not to steal this moment for a book plug but my husband's book

01:41:05.480 is about to hit and it's called the lost uh kate the lost fortune of emmanuel nobel

01:41:10.560 and it's got a lot about socialism the rise of it and exactly that andrew thank you guys um i got

01:41:17.100 a couple more things to get to, and I'm going to be back on the opposite side. We'll see you guys

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01:43:16.080 Okay, we've got to get to Jimmy Kimmel before we go, all right? Jimmy Kimmel never misses a moment

01:43:21.820 to be crass and off point and inappropriate.

01:43:27.880 Thursday night, he decided to do a mock

01:43:31.260 White House Correspondents Dinner

01:43:32.600 as the comedian who would have been invited.

01:43:36.740 They didn't have a comedian this year.

01:43:38.460 They had a mentalist.

01:43:40.080 Somebody actually made a funny comment about it

01:43:41.720 because the mentalist was apparently on stage

01:43:43.480 accurately telling Caroline Levitt

01:43:45.680 what her baby's name was going to be.

01:43:48.760 Like he figured it out some magical way.

01:43:51.160 and people were saying like he was literally on the stage when they like kneeling down by her

01:43:56.260 at the time when the shots rang out somebody was like uh there was a much more useful prediction

01:44:02.700 you could have made in that moment if you really did have the magical powers sir um okay thank god

01:44:08.920 everybody's okay so jimmy kimmel does this mock white house correspondence dinner comedian routine

01:44:15.720 on thursday night and i'm just going to show you i'm driving towards something here but i'm going

01:44:20.600 just to show you how unfunny the jokes were. Truly, we all think that we can be funny.

01:44:27.660 But if you actually had to sit down and write jokes, and maybe you've tried to do this for a

01:44:31.920 speech, you cross out every one. You're like, this isn't funny. I thought I was funny, but I'm not.

01:44:38.700 Wrong again. Wrong. This is a much higher art form than I give comedians credit for. It's not

01:44:45.200 for me. Jimmy Kimmel needed to come to that realization. These are so on the nose, like

01:44:51.800 11 year old humor, like an 11 year old could come up with these stupid jokes are so obvious, 1.00

01:44:58.660 not clever, not surprising, not even a mild laugh or like bemusement as you listen to them. Watch. 0.99

01:45:07.880 It's hard to get JD to come to an event like this. He's a real homebody. His wife had to

01:45:12.760 peel them off the couch. Please do not get up from your seats during the performance because

01:45:16.520 the vice president will f**k them. Stephen Miller is so racist, the reason he went bald is because 0.99

01:45:22.880 his hair was black. Stephen Miller puts the cyst in white supremacists. If anyone starts any trouble, 1.00

01:45:31.380 fear not because FBI Director Cash Patel is standing by. Waitress, can we get Cash a vodka

01:45:37.900 a soda and a booster seat, please? 1.00

01:45:39.580 Okay, peach hair has more oil in it 0.81

01:45:41.880 right now than the Strait of Hormuz.

01:45:44.600 Bobby Kennedy, years ago,

01:45:46.140 he wrote in his diary

01:45:46.980 that he pulled his car over

01:45:48.580 to the side of the road 1.00

01:45:49.440 to carve the penis out of a raccoon. 1.00

01:45:51.840 And his son asked him, 1.00

01:45:53.020 Dad, why did you do that? 1.00

01:45:54.300 Why did you chop the penis 1.00

01:45:55.700 off a dead animal? 1.00

01:45:57.500 And he looked at his son,

01:45:58.920 he said, 0.99

01:45:59.620 Because I'm a psychopath! 0.98

01:46:04.300 Now get out of this car 0.99

01:46:06.000 and go get measles!

01:46:07.900 I got like, I don't even know where to begin. They had fake reaction shots from administration

01:46:13.660 officials. Um, nothing funny, nothing remotely clever. That didn't sound anything like RFKJ.

01:46:24.640 He doesn't talk like that. He doesn't actually talk like that at all. For some reason you gave

01:46:29.680 him a Brooklyn accent, which he doesn't have. And the laugh track meant to boost his sagging

01:46:36.320 audiences, I'm sure, like smattering of applause. Even leftists don't find that funny. That was so

01:46:42.100 not funny. Jimmy Kimmel is not funny. And here he was least funny of all. What he said about

01:46:51.060 Melania Trump now is making major news. You would think he would have learned after making light of

01:46:59.240 the Charlie Kirk assassination, suggesting that the guy who did it, Tyler Robinson, who's been

01:47:05.080 accused of doing it is MAGA. Remember that led to his show getting pulled off the air for five days

01:47:11.160 and then they turned him into Rosa Parks on the left. But listen to the terrible quote joke he

01:47:17.200 made about Melania Trump during the same routine. And of course, our first lady Melania is here.

01:47:23.540 Look at more. So beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow. 0.63

01:47:30.440 Who would make a joke like that knowing that Trump had almost been killed?

01:47:35.080 relatively recently, this is obviously before Saturday night, but I mean,

01:47:38.940 it is not an exaggeration to say that Trump was almost killed in July of 2024. That's recent.

01:47:46.900 And for this guy to get up there and say she's got the glow of an expectant widow,

01:47:53.100 like how insensitive can you be? Honestly, like Trump, he's got children. He's got grandchildren.

01:48:00.200 He does have a wife. He has millions of people who love him. And the glow of an expectant widow. How sick are you? That, I mean, truly the left and the desensitivity that they're trying to create, you know, in people to the thought of political violence is truly pernicious.

01:48:22.260 It's a force for evil in this country.

01:48:25.940 And he doubles and triples and quadruples down on it every other week. 0.84

01:48:31.560 Now, today, Melania Trump actually responded, which she never does.

01:48:36.340 As you know, Melania, she does not seek the spotlight.

01:48:39.960 Did you see her by chance the other night when Trump came out and spoke in the White

01:48:43.180 House press briefing room after the shooter was apprehended, attempted shooter?

01:48:47.620 somebody asked a question about Melania and how she reacted of course she hasn't been with Trump

01:48:54.120 or by his side you know she wasn't right next to him on the stage in Butler or when Ruth tried to

01:49:00.560 open fire on him on his golf course and so on so poor Melania you know this is I hate to say it so

01:49:06.040 cavalierly but her her first assassination attempt forgive me so she puts out the following and by

01:49:12.080 the way so Trump said do you want to say something at the end of that presser and she no she does not

01:49:16.220 like the spotlight. It's very rare when you hear Melania speak out. So she has today. She posted

01:49:22.900 online, Kimmel's hateful and violent rhetoric is intended to divide our country. His monologue

01:49:29.500 about my family isn't comedy. His words are corrosive and deepen the political sickness

01:49:34.640 within America. People like Kimmel should not have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening

01:49:39.780 to spread hate. Wow, how about that? A coward, Kimmel hides behind ABC because he knows the

01:49:46.200 network will keep running cover to protect him. Enough is enough. It is time for ABC to take a 0.97

01:49:53.120 stand. How many times will ABC's leadership enable Kimmel's atrocious behavior at the expense of our

01:50:00.200 community. Wow. How about that, guys? That is extraordinary. That's the closest I've heard

01:50:08.060 to her Melania getting explicitly political and actually appears to be calling for him to be

01:50:15.760 fired, obviously. Enough is enough. It's time for ABC to take a stand. How many times will they

01:50:20.700 allow him and his atrocious behavior to go on? Well, no sooner did she post that than I'd say

01:50:28.300 two or three hours later, we get this from her husband, who is the president of the United

01:50:33.800 States. Wow, Jimmy Kimmel, who is in no way funny, as attested to by his terrible TV ratings,

01:50:40.420 made a statement on his show that is really shocking. He showed a fake video of the First

01:50:44.320 Lady Melania and our son Barron like they were actually sitting in his studio listening to him

01:50:48.180 speak, which they weren't and never would be. He then stated, our First Lady Melania is here.

01:50:53.160 Look at Melania, so beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow. 0.84

01:50:58.300 A day later, a lunatic tried entering the ballroom 0.94

01:51:01.340 of the White House Correspondents' Dinner, 0.55

01:51:03.500 loaded up with a shotgun handgun and many knives.

01:51:07.000 He was there for a very obvious and sinister reason.

01:51:11.200 I appreciate that so many people are incensed

01:51:13.200 by Kimmel's despicable call to violence

01:51:15.020 and normally would not be responsive

01:51:16.860 to anything that he said,

01:51:18.100 but this is something far beyond the pale.

01:51:20.900 Jimmy Kimmel should be immediately fired by Disney and ABC.

01:51:24.540 Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Trump.

01:51:28.300 And it's pretty explosive. I can only imagine the oh shit moment that any normal person would have 0.99

01:51:37.780 after saying she has the glow of an expectant widow. And within 48 hours, someone tries to 0.99

01:51:44.720 kill her husband. Like a normal person would have a complete meltdown at that series of events.

01:51:52.520 It was bad enough. Poor Caroline Leavitt in a in a pre-interview before the event got kicked off was talking about the president's expected speech, which always historically includes it's all about barbs against the media. 0.97

01:52:05.940 That's the fun thing of having him there. You make fun of him and do corrosive coverage of him all year long.

01:52:11.620 And with your typical president, they never say anything about you. And this is their big night to rip on you, the press by name and network and so on.

01:52:18.580 And President Trump does it differently.

01:52:20.600 As you know, he's nonstop ripping.

01:52:23.260 But she said, oh, there's going to be some shots fired tonight.

01:52:27.280 And some nutcases on the internet are now suggesting she was in on it.

01:52:30.100 Okay, get a grip.

01:52:31.320 Get a grip, people.

01:52:33.560 That's a figure of speech.

01:52:34.860 If you haven't used that phrase, you need to expand your vocabulary.

01:52:38.000 But this was, you know, pretty extraordinary for this guy 48 hours before to say she's

01:52:46.420 got the glow of an expectant widow.

01:52:47.600 I mean, if President Trump, God forbid, had been killed at that event, can you imagine?

01:52:53.600 Can you imagine?

01:52:55.780 ABC would have no choice but to rip this guy off the air once and for all.

01:52:59.140 He's irresponsible.

01:53:01.140 He is so deeply offensive.

01:53:03.860 Truly, imagine someone saying that about Michelle Obama.

01:53:10.600 Imagine what the reaction would be.

01:53:13.180 Just think about that for a second.

01:53:15.380 Think of if somebody had said that about Erica Kirk before Charlie had been killed.

01:53:22.960 Like, these predictions, I'm not saying that the shooter was motivated by Jimmy Kimmel.

01:53:29.580 Though, to be honest, who knows if he'd watched that episode?

01:53:32.860 I don't.

01:53:35.400 I'm saying this is irresponsible talk, given his professional position.

01:53:40.080 You don't make jokes about assassinations of the president, especially when he's had multiple assassination attempts against him, okay?

01:53:51.580 You don't make light of it.

01:53:53.820 Honestly, and I'll say one other thing.

01:53:55.640 I can even understand in the wake of an assassination, easy for me to say, assassination attempt to like a comedian like Jay Leno, who's universally beloved and is not known as a partisan hack who actually really does hate the president who just got shot, making a joke like that was in good faith.

01:54:13.960 You could you could find a way like that's not in bad taste to help the nation heal.

01:54:19.660 That's actually always been one of the great roles of our great comedians to help us heal through humor.

01:54:24.160 This was not that.

01:54:25.640 We were not healing from anything.

01:54:27.240 It was in advance of a massive gathering

01:54:29.140 where he knew the president would be attending

01:54:31.280 and Melania too.

01:54:34.220 He was pretending that he was at the event

01:54:36.000 and that he was the comedian there.

01:54:37.980 And just sending the message out

01:54:40.360 to whomever follows that show

01:54:43.240 that wouldn't it be funny?

01:54:45.840 It's so funny to think of Trump dead

01:54:48.080 and Melania as a glowing widow. 0.52

01:54:51.440 It's just sick. 0.77

01:54:52.460 So we'll see.

01:54:53.080 Ball's in your court, ABC.

01:54:54.320 You're not gonna be able to ignore this.

01:54:55.640 You are not going to be able to ignore both the president and the first lady.

01:55:00.080 She's even more powerful than he is in this particular moment on this particular issue.

01:55:04.580 Speaking out, we'll see. 0.97

01:55:07.000 Balls in your court.

01:55:07.800 Do the right thing.

01:55:08.540 Honestly, like I can't imagine this.

01:55:10.440 Like, think about it.

01:55:11.660 ABC fired Chris Harrison from The Bachelor because a bachelorette on that show went to

01:55:25.640 an antebellum party years earlier when she'd been a young college student, and they thought

01:55:32.540 that was racially insensitive. And all Chris Harrison said was, are we judging her by the

01:55:37.720 standards of today or by the standards of when she did it. That's all he said. And ABC ruined him.

01:55:46.560 He's never been heard from again. Have you seen Chris Harrison hosting some network show?

01:55:52.000 No, his life was ruined. His career was ruined. But you can say this as Jimmy Kimmel,

01:55:58.620 as like the face of ABC. You can say she's got the glow of an expectant widow

01:56:03.840 about a husband who was almost killed at least once and two other times. Attempts were obviously

01:56:11.040 in the making. And now a fourth, very ill-timed, too bad for Jimmy. What are you going to do about

01:56:18.560 it, ABC? Right? Disney, they're the ones who fired Gina Carano over a totally anodyne online

01:56:28.200 posting about World War II and Hitler and the excesses of the left. She got fired. That was 1.00

01:56:38.640 too much. Her tweet, her one post online. Okay, your move. What are you going to do? Let's see.

01:56:48.500 You paid Donald Trump $16 million when George Stephanopoulos said, erroneously,

01:56:55.900 a factually that Trump had been found liable for rape over and over and over.

01:57:02.540 You recognize the deep offense caused by that comment when it wasn't true. 0.74

01:57:09.400 How about the libel of Melania Trump suggesting she wants her husband dead?

01:57:16.460 That's what you just did to her.

01:57:18.300 Forget what you did to President Trump there. 0.98

01:57:20.160 But you suggested she wants her husband executed. 0.82

01:57:24.420 How about that?

01:57:25.100 You paid $16 million for civilly found liable for rape. 1.00

01:57:32.420 Are we going to do anything about she wants her husband fucking dead? 0.99

01:57:38.380 Or normalizing the thought of an execution? 1.00

01:57:41.360 Anything?

01:57:42.860 Okay, we'll wait.

01:57:44.840 We'll wait.

01:57:46.140 Look forward to seeing what ABC does.

01:57:48.700 All right, that's it for us today.

01:57:49.860 Tomorrow on this show, you will be joined, as will I, by our friend Stubergear.

01:57:55.100 Can't wait.

01:57:55.600 Have a great day. 0.94

01:57:57.140 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 27, 2026

Security Failures Lead to Trump Assassination Attempt at WHCD, and Melania Calls For Kimmel To Be FIRED, with RCP and Pat Brosnan ｜ Ep. 1304

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