The Megyn Kelly Show - Shadowbanning Science, and Meghan and Harry Dishonoring the Queen, with Dan Wootton and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:16.940 Before we head into the weekend, we have a whole lot to discuss. I'm looking forward to this show.

00:00:21.840 My pal Dan Wooten will be here in just a minute of GB News to talk all things Harry and Megyn,

00:00:27.100 and he is ready to reveal discussions he's had with the palace behind the scenes about these two.

00:00:36.020 Dan's going to dish the dirt. So we'll get to all that in just a minute.

00:00:39.480 But first, we're joined by another show favorite who recently found out he was one of the ones

00:00:45.020 shadow banned by Twitter after they said publicly and under oath that they don't do that

00:00:49.640 for going against the official government narrative on COVID.

00:00:53.960 This comes as the new boss of Twitter, Elon Musk, is facing scrutiny for bans on media members

00:00:59.780 overnight. Here to talk about the very latest is Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor of health policy at

00:01:05.840 Stanford University and one of the co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration. Jay, great to have

00:01:12.180 you back. How are you? I'm doing well. Merry Christmas, Megan. And to you. This is crazy. When

00:01:17.460 I saw your name pop up there, it was like Dan Bongino, Charlie Kirk, these bomb throwers. You know,

00:01:22.560 I love those guys, but they're bomb throwers. You're not a bomb thrower. Then this Dr. Jay Bhattacharya,

00:01:27.520 like what is Dr. Jay doing on there? What was your reaction when you first saw this?

00:01:32.320 Apparently I'm quite dangerous, Megan. I mean, I don't really understand it. What Twitter did

00:01:37.600 was effectively deny the American people access to a basic fact, which is that there was a scientific

00:01:45.580 debate going on about the necessity of lockdowns, of school closures, vaccine mandates, all of it.

00:01:52.260 They wanted to create this idea that no one reasonable opposed them. No one with scientific

00:01:57.860 credentials opposed them. And that was just a lie. There was a tremendous debate going on.

00:02:02.540 What happened with Twitter was you can see in real time what the cost of censorship was. The cost of

00:02:10.260 censorship was that people in this country lost their jobs. Kids in this country did not get an

00:02:16.620 education. Businesses closed. Churches, synagogues, mosques closed. We created this idea that people

00:02:24.300 were biohazards and that science supported all of these things. In fact, there was a univocal support

00:02:29.580 for this among scientists when that was never true. It was an illusion of consensus.

00:02:34.320 The Great Barrington Declaration came out in October of 2020? Yes. Okay. And just to set it up for the

00:02:40.260 audience, I'm sure most people know about this point, but, you know, we were all locked down happy.

00:02:43.740 Fauci and his brethren were pushing them at every turn. And you and two other very well-respected

00:02:48.760 doctors, Dr. Martin Kulldorff and forgive me, I'm blanking on the woman's name.

00:02:54.760 Sennetra Gupta, yeah. Thank you, Sennetra Gupta. So the three of you come out all from very highly

00:02:59.840 respected universities, here at Stanford, there at Oxford and Harvard, come together and say,

00:03:04.420 there's another way, here's another option. Instead of these restrictive lockdowns and school

00:03:08.820 closures, let's do, quote, focused protection where we focus on the most vulnerable to this disease,

00:03:14.040 like the elderly. And the rest of the people, you know, can be more free and we don't have to have

00:03:18.760 these restrictive lockdowns. So that's what you did that was so controversial. Go ahead, keep going.

00:03:23.340 Yeah, exactly. So we wrote that piece, you know, four days after we wrote it, you have Francis

00:03:27.280 Collins, the head of the National Institute of Health, write to Tony Fauci calling for a devastating

00:03:32.040 published takedown of the premises. And I started getting, you know, hit pieces on me, asking me

00:03:37.500 why I wanted to let the virus rip, all this nonsense, essentially a propaganda war. I think

00:03:43.560 part of that propaganda war was this social media suppression. I joined Twitter in August of 2021.

00:03:51.860 I mean, for various reasons, I hadn't decided to join Twitter before. I joined because I wanted to

00:03:56.840 tell the American public and the world public that there actually was a alternate voice,

00:04:01.600 alternate viewpoint among scientists on these lockdown policies on vaccine mandates, all this

00:04:07.180 nonsense. And what happened was that the day I joined Twitter, when I posted a link to the

00:04:15.340 Great Barrington Declaration, I was placed on this trend blacklist. Now, I just, it's a, it's an odd thing

00:04:22.360 to see it in black and white. I suspected it. What it meant was that I would post-

00:04:27.120 In America. In America. Let's just not forget, we're not living in some, you know, Cold War

00:04:31.800 Russia. In America, in the United States of America, you were blacklisted because of your

00:04:35.780 point of view. Keep going.

00:04:38.020 Yeah, I know. It was like, it's like some 1950s era bad movie where I'm some communist and I'm

00:04:43.720 sitting in front of the house American, an American house, an American activities committee

00:04:48.460 or something. Um, I, so, and so like, you know, I would post my, my Twitter followers would see it.

00:04:54.340 I mean, I, I, because I, you know, partly because of you, you were so kind to put me on the air and

00:04:58.220 other others that I think I got a big Twitter following. Um, but it's not huge. It was like,

00:05:02.880 you know, 200,000 people, um, which is a lot, but it's not like all of Twitter. Uh, so what happened,

00:05:07.880 I would, I would post something, my followers who were interested in what I had to say would see it,

00:05:11.760 but the rest of the Twitter had no chance of seeing it. And so it, it restricted the, uh, the,

00:05:18.160 the, the, the, my, you know, where my arguments would go. I mean, I wanted to reach the public

00:05:22.800 at large to tell them there was a debate going on about the science underlying all these COVID

00:05:27.640 policies. That was the reason I joined Twitter. Uh, I think Megan, what happened was that Twitter

00:05:33.620 wasn't acting alone. They didn't decide by themselves to put me on a trend blacklist the

00:05:37.720 day I joined Twitter. That doesn't make any sense, uh, from a business point of view. Why would

00:05:41.360 they do that? Um, I, I actually got to visit Twitter HQ and I, I got to see some of their

00:05:46.760 internal tools around my file. And what I found was that, uh, was that there was, there was

00:05:54.800 messages that said that there were, there were people asking for me to be placed on a blacklist

00:06:00.840 the day I joined. It, we didn't specify exactly who they were in those internal files, but I very

00:06:06.280 strongly suspect that those, that those forces included, but people both on Twitter and outside

00:06:10.680 Twitter who wanted to make sure that my voice was not heard. Um, and that I, I believe very

00:06:16.280 strongly based on an evidence I can tell you in a minute about, uh, about, uh, from, from a court

00:06:20.640 case I've, I've, I've been involved with by the Missouri and Louisiana attorney general's office

00:06:25.160 and the new, uh, and the new, uh, civil liberties alliance against the Biden administration.

00:06:28.800 I think it was federal agencies that were, uh, that were actively telling Twitter who to censor

00:06:35.520 and what to censor that was responsible for this Twitter censorship of scientific discussion.

00:06:40.320 Well, don't we, I mean, wouldn't that have to be the case who at Twitter, you know, somebody in

00:06:44.360 their probably young to mid twenties is sitting there trying to overrule doctors from Oxford and

00:06:49.580 Stanford and Harvard. That's not happening. They had to be directed and pushed by somebody with an

00:06:54.160 agenda. I think, I think there's almost no doubt it had to, it had to have been somebody outside

00:07:00.220 because, you know, like what, what's Twitter's interest. Do they really have an interest in

00:07:03.840 silencing me on even Twitter 1.0? What, what was, what would make them want to put me on a trend

00:07:09.440 blacklist? It was somebody outside telling them to do that. And I, uh, you know, we have from this

00:07:14.920 lawsuit, we have emails that directly implicate a dozen federal agencies, including, you know, the CDC,

00:07:23.840 uh, including the health agencies that what they're deeply concerned about the surgeon general's

00:07:29.920 office, uh, they're deeply concerned about a spread of misinformation by that. What they meant is

00:07:34.680 legitimate people with credentials and good arguments outside that contradicted what they

00:07:40.900 were saying. You remember back to last year, you had the CDC director telling people that if you,

00:07:47.320 if you are vaccinated, you can't get or spread the disease. I mean, that was false. It was clearly

00:07:52.260 false on the data at the time. Uh, and, and, and yet, uh, the CDC and, uh, the federal agencies

00:07:58.800 labeled people who disagreed with them as spreading misinformation, even when it was

00:08:04.120 100% accurate information. The idea that the vaccines could cause myocarditis in young people,

00:08:09.420 that was, that was documented pretty early in the, uh, in, in 2021. And yet people were,

00:08:15.080 that spread that information were, were suppressed. Martin Kulldorff, my colleague who wrote

00:08:18.920 the Great Barrington Declaration, a Harvard professor, he wrote that, uh, he wrote that, uh,

00:08:25.600 that, that masking people, masking people can provide them with a false sense of confidence

00:08:30.820 and that by doing, by requiring masks, you may actually have ended up killing vulnerable people

00:08:36.080 who went out in public thinking that they were protected against the disease when they weren't.

00:08:40.280 That was 100% factual. And yet that was suppressed by Twitter. Um, you know, it's, it's,

00:08:46.060 it's absolutely shocking. These, these, uh, the, because it's, it's, and the reason it's shocking

00:08:50.200 is it's not so much the first amendment violation, although that that's bad enough. I mean, my basic

00:08:54.860 civil rights were violated, but what's shocking is that the consequences were that we adopted a whole

00:09:01.820 range of ridiculous policies that harmed children. It harmed, it harmed, uh, parents, it harmed, uh,

00:09:09.460 working class people, it harmed vulnerable people, uh, for nothing. And those policies wouldn't have

00:09:15.780 been adopted. Had there been a legitimate debate, had Twitter and the government permitted a

00:09:20.520 legitimate base censorship actually killed people. I think we had to go looking for opinions like

00:09:26.520 yours, people who didn't trust Fauci or Collins or the uniform message being shoved down our throats

00:09:31.820 by the government, by Fauci and so on. We had to go looking for it. And people who didn't know your

00:09:35.980 name, how do you go look for Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and the great Barrington declaration? If you haven't

00:09:40.440 heard about it and if Twitter is suppressing the circulation of it from anybody who's not already

00:09:45.880 following you, they keep your universe, uh, already as small as it already is. And you, you know,

00:09:51.620 before we get off the subject of government interference, cause I think you and I both

00:09:54.800 believe the government made Twitter do this. They, they pressured them to do it and Twitter did it,

00:09:58.480 though. The proof is developing in your lawsuit against them. Um, this is what Jen Psaki said on the

00:10:05.320 record in July of 2021. So not quite a year after your declaration came out. Uh, he, she kind of gave

00:10:13.060 up the game and sought to. We are in regular touch, uh, with these social media platforms, uh, and those,

00:10:20.500 uh, engagements typically happen through members of our senior staff, but also members of our COVID-19

00:10:25.220 team, uh, given as Dr. Murthy, uh, conveyed, uh, this is a big issue of misinformation specifically

00:10:32.180 on the pandemic in terms of actions, Alex, that, uh, we have taken, or we're working to take, I should

00:10:37.860 say from the federal government, uh, we've increased, uh, disinformation research and tracking, uh,

00:10:43.020 within the surgeon general's office. We're flagging problematic posts for Facebook, uh, that spread

00:10:48.400 disinformation. But just so the audience understands that takes it to a totally different level. It is

00:10:53.720 one thing for Twitter, a private company, and we can argue about whether it's entirely private

00:10:57.440 because it, you know, it was publicly traded, but in any event, and there's a distinction there

00:11:01.360 that that may matter. Um, but in any event, private company can do what it wants. Not so for

00:11:06.280 the government. We have a first amendment for a reason. They may not suppress our speech and the

00:11:10.040 government can't do through a private party like Twitter, what it couldn't do to you directly.

00:11:14.080 That's why this is deeply problematic legally. And it's why they're getting sued now by two

00:11:17.840 states attorney general, in addition to you and your fellow doctors who want to figure out for very

00:11:22.560 good reasons, whether the government's handprints are on this. I mean, just listen to that. I mean,

00:11:28.120 it's actually in our lawsuit, uh, the judge allowed us to depose Jen Psaki. Um, and she,

00:11:35.040 she and her lawyers told the judge that she had nothing related to actually add that she didn't

00:11:42.360 need to be deposed as a consequence of, of, you know, she didn't, she didn't participate in any,

00:11:46.760 uh, censorship efforts. And yet from the white house podium, there she is fully admitting that she

00:11:52.400 was involved in this, in this suppression effort. Uh, it's absolutely shocking. I mean, I grew up in

00:11:58.000 the U S I mean, I was, I came to the U S when I was four. I never imagined a time, uh, in the,

00:12:02.520 in this country where, uh, the, the, the, the administration would openly embrace the censorship

00:12:08.700 of inform of, of, of, of speech, legal speech. There was not. And, and I just to top it all off,

00:12:14.920 there was no misinformation in what I was saying. I was, I was, I was, which actually doesn't even

00:12:21.180 matter. It doesn't even matter legally, but yes, this is what is really galling is you were

00:12:25.920 correcting the record that we'd been force fed by Fauci and others, which was erroneous. Keep going.

00:12:33.240 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I don't know. I mean, I, I don't, I generally don't get very angry,

00:12:37.100 but this, this, this has me legitimately angry yet. Uh, you know, Megan, it's, it's one of these

00:12:40.860 things where like, I was saying what I saw in the scientific literature, I'm reading the scientific

00:12:45.380 literature. I'm looking at what the CDC or other authorities are saying, and that just doesn't

00:12:50.900 match. So why, what would I supposed to do not speak up? Um, and I, and I, so I, I, uh, I mean,

00:12:56.620 I think that had there been a legitimate scientific discussion, had there, had that been allowed by the

00:13:02.840 government, we would not have had these policies. Uh, I mean, I just think about all these kids that

00:13:07.920 didn't get an education or you look at the, uh, the, the learning loss numbers, you know,

00:13:11.780 Megan, it's not just that those learning loss numbers mean that the kids don't know how to do

00:13:15.200 math. Now that has lifelong consequences. There's a social science literature that says that these

00:13:20.920 kids that are robbed of an education now will for years be, they'll be poorer, they'll be less

00:13:27.180 healthy and will live less long. You know, one estimate from early in the pandemic was that even

00:13:32.300 there's just a spring closures left to a five and a half million life years lost for American kids.

00:13:38.500 That was a published literature.

00:13:40.680 There's just a couple of those. And by the way, if you want to hear our first interview with Dr. J,

00:13:44.280 you can go back to that April, 2021 interview we did in which you predicted all of this.

00:13:49.900 You were predicting these would be the consequences. Um, we've got in the U S learning losses observed

00:13:55.320 in many States in Texas, for example, two thirds of children in grade three tested below their grade

00:13:59.560 level on math in 2021. We could go on. The stats are terrible, not to mention the ER visits for

00:14:04.700 suspected suicide attempts, jumping 31% in 2020 compared to the year earlier, um, up to 51% higher

00:14:12.100 among girls age 12 to 17. And then you go down the list, um, more than 370 million children globally

00:14:18.100 missed out on school meals during school closures. Uh, for many of those kids, that was the only

00:14:23.020 reliable source of food and daily nutrition at all. Um, heightened stress, school closures,

00:14:28.160 loss of income and social isolation resulting from COVID pandemic. This is what, how the CDC phrases

00:14:33.660 it has increased the risk for child abuse and neglect. What they really mean is we forced them

00:14:37.720 to stay at home with abusive parents who beat them. And it was just yet another consequence of the

00:14:43.260 unnecessary school closures that you were speaking out about. And, you know, uh, it's globally,

00:14:48.860 it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a hundred million people were thrown into poverty, right? So we hear

00:14:55.120 things like, uh, supply chain disruption, the pointy end of that supply chain disruption is some

00:15:00.220 poor person at, in, in the middle of, of a poor country loses his job. Now the family is earning less

00:15:08.440 than $2 a day of income. They, they, they face starvation, hundreds, tens of millions of people

00:15:13.940 actually face dire starvation as a consequence of these lockdown policies. And they're putting this

00:15:18.300 really difficult place. Their kids aren't, can't go to school because the school is closed. That's

00:15:21.640 where the kids get their meals from. Oh, in Uganda, four and a half million children never went back

00:15:27.360 to school after the closures for two years. That's a generation of, of kids that will never, uh, have

00:15:33.900 their full potential. I mean, they'll die early. And many of many kids in poor countries, you know,

00:15:39.840 you have a, you have a family where they can't feed their kids. They sold some of their little

00:15:44.620 girls into sexual slavery because they were put in this position of either

00:15:48.040 starve or do something horrible morally. Um, uh, it's, it's one of these things where like we,

00:15:53.060 we, uh, make these policies and we say, okay, we're doing it to stay home and stay safe.

00:15:57.480 It's such a privileged position with that, with the people took that the CDC took, uh,

00:16:03.380 rather than take the big picture and say, look, what is health more broadly, which is what they're

00:16:07.200 supposed to do. They narrowly focused on one infectious disease and said, look, let's, let's try

00:16:12.220 to prevent that. And, and they didn't prevent, pretended they had technology prevented, which

00:16:16.860 they didn't. And as a result, every poor person on the face of the earth was hurt. Every, you know,

00:16:22.280 it was tremendous number of children, small business owners in the U S were devastated.

00:16:27.240 We, we, we basically did this on the, in the name of science, but it was not actual science

00:16:32.800 and social media companies abetted it by suppressing dissent. They were co-conspirators

00:16:38.760 in, in the suppression that was being unleashed by the government. Two things in your lawsuit.

00:16:43.800 Um, who are the defendants in the logs in the lawsuit? It's the Biden administration. The Biden

00:16:48.260 administration is the name that is the defendant. So you, you, several scientists, including yourself,

00:16:52.740 uh, and Dr. Martin Koldorf, he's involved have sued. You joined a lawsuit filed by the states of

00:16:57.580 Louisiana, Missouri, alleging that the Biden administration worked with the tech companies to

00:17:01.220 censor American citizens, uh, specifically on the issue of COVID and depositions are going on in

00:17:06.760 here as according to what I read, Jay, you tell me, but it appears that in the course of discovery,

00:17:11.660 you've received at least the following, uh, evidence that the CDC sent a chart of posts to Twitter

00:17:17.960 that it deemed misinformation. That's, I mean, that's, that's concrete evidence of collusion between

00:17:24.480 them. And then you got to take the deposition of Anthony Fauci, who suddenly Jay, even though we have it

00:17:30.340 on paper between Fauci and Collins, the head of the NIH at the time, talking about how they were

00:17:35.780 going to smear you, the three of you at, at the great Barrington declaration, fringe epidemiologists,

00:17:41.280 they call it fringe. Cause you know, those universities I just mentioned, they're big on

00:17:44.760 hiring fringy people, fringe and how, and Collins on the record saying like, we need to tamp this down

00:17:50.800 like right now. And why hasn't it gotten been tamped down already? Despite all that, Fauci basically

00:17:55.420 went in there and was like, who Jay, who great? What? I don't know. No, I don't remember. I have

00:18:00.980 no idea. I haven't, I haven't really had the time to look at that. That's a blatant lie. We know that's

00:18:05.600 not true.

00:18:06.900 I mean, you know, he said in a seven hour deposition, he said 180 times or something. I don't recall. I

00:18:12.780 don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember that on two basic things. Like, uh, you know, he,

00:18:16.380 he does, uh, it's funny, like there's on, on, on, on substantive issues. Like he, he did this like

00:18:21.640 crazy, uh, change of mind about masks. If you remember early in the pandemic, he was saying

00:18:26.520 mass, uh, mass don't work. You don't need them. Uh, then later he said, Oh, I was just lying about

00:18:31.680 that. I didn't mean it. Uh, mass did work, but I wanted to save it for, uh, for, for hospital

00:18:36.940 workers. And, uh, the question was like, we asked him why the lawyers asked him, why did he change

00:18:42.760 his mind on what evidence he changed his mind? There's a long record of him saying before the

00:18:46.080 pandemic, the mass don't work for respiratory virus pandemics. Um, and asked him why. And he said,

00:18:52.680 well, there's studies. Well, what studies I don't recall, you know, he's a, he's basically the face

00:18:57.860 of science itself in the United States. And he doesn't, he can't cite a study that says why he

00:19:02.840 changed his mind in April, 2020 about mass or March, 2020 about mass. That's the reason is not

00:19:07.940 because he doesn't recall. It's because there was no reasonable study, no, no high quality study that

00:19:12.860 would have justified him changing his mind. Um, he, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing.

00:19:18.600 Like the American people deserve better. He put himself up as essentially the high Pope of science.

00:19:24.120 If you criticize me, you know, Tony Fauci says, you're not criticizing a man. You are criticizing

00:19:29.800 science itself. At the very least, you should be able to cite the science. And yeah, on, on, uh,

00:19:35.400 I mean, going after me, this fringe, by the way, uh, Megan, I got some, a friend of mine,

00:19:39.340 uh, wrote the, uh, sent me a business card that says fringe epidemiologist on it, which

00:19:43.220 I'm going to hand it out to people now. Um, I, I, I, I mean, now I think it's better to

00:19:49.640 be on the fringe than anywhere else. Uh, I, I just, I think, you know, these people, people

00:19:54.120 like Tony Fauci, Francis Collins, the head of the National Institute of Health, they abuse

00:19:57.900 their power. They sit atop this vast pile of money that, that supports the scientific research

00:20:04.260 of a very large number of prominent biomedical scientists in the United States, including almost

00:20:09.000 everyone who does infectious disease epidemiology. Um, they, uh, it's not just that they support,

00:20:14.500 they have money, they, the research, they, their support, the NIH support creates this

00:20:20.500 sort of like social structure. You can't advance in biomedicine unless you have NIH funding.

00:20:26.280 I don't get tenure at Stanford university unless I got an NIH grant, which I did. I was, and,

00:20:30.560 and so like the, the problem is that they do this and they essentially send a message to

00:20:34.560 other scientists. You used to stay silent. If you don't, if you, if you talk, you, your

00:20:39.320 career could be ruined. Your career could be threatened. You may never get another NIH grant.

00:20:42.680 That's implicitly what they're saying when they say fringe and devastating takedown.

00:20:46.160 That message was heard loud and clear. A lot of scientists who disagreed with the policy

00:20:51.480 that Tony Fauci was pushing stayed silent. They censored themselves as a consequence.

00:20:57.060 The whole purpose of this regime, the censorship by Twitter, the, the devastating takedown by Tony

00:21:02.060 Fauci and Francis Collins, all of that was designed to create an illusion of consensus

00:21:07.300 that never existed about COVID, COVID census, COVID policies about lockdowns and all, all the rest.

00:21:13.920 An illusion of consensus here just for the audience is what they said. This is from Francis Collins

00:21:19.480 to Fauci, then the director of same group. He's always been the director of national Institute of

00:21:25.000 Allergy and Infectious Diseases and several others. He writes, hi, Tony and Cliff,

00:21:28.280 see the great Barrington declaration.org. This proposal from three fringe epidemiologists who

00:21:33.620 met with the secretary seems to be getting a lot of attention and even a co-signature from Nobel

00:21:38.220 prize winner, Mike Levitt at Stanford. There needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown

00:21:43.180 of its premises. I don't see anything like that online yet. Is it underway? And it goes on from there

00:21:49.500 with them reassuring that it'll happen, that it did happen. Then he wants it to go away more. He gets

00:21:53.580 angry that it hasn't happened. The thing on Fauci is very interesting to me on the mask flipping

00:21:58.800 because we knew what you said. We know he originally said you don't need masks. And then he said, oh,

00:22:04.500 everybody's got a mask up. And I only lied before to get to make sure emergency workers would have

00:22:08.840 enough masks. Well, about two weeks ago, he was asked by some reporter, do you have any regrets

00:22:14.460 in how you handle the pandemic? And he said, no, I don't. I have no regrets. Well, then the question,

00:22:19.320 then we, among others, criticized him, given some of the figures you and I just discussed about school

00:22:23.780 closures and so on. And he got a do over on it. Another reporter asked him the question and he did

00:22:31.460 think of a regret and it had to do with masks. And here's his new explanation in line with the one you

00:22:36.720 just said he gave in the deposition. It's SOT5. Is there anything you would have done differently

00:22:42.280 looking back? Well, of course. I mean, to say there's something that nothing you would have done

00:22:47.600 differently means you were perfect. And nobody's perfect by any means. Certainly not I. The science

00:22:53.920 gives you information that's present and current at the time. And when that changes, you need to change.

00:23:02.540 Some people call that flip-flopping. It's not flip-flopping. It's keeping up with the evidence.

00:23:08.500 Looking back, would you have recommended masking up sooner?

00:23:11.260 Oh, absolutely. Had we known that it was aerosol spread and that a lot of the transmission was from

00:23:19.200 asymptomatic people and there was asymptomatic spread going on under the radar screen, of course.

00:23:26.420 There it is. So now it's it didn't have to do with maintaining masks for emergency workers.

00:23:32.320 It's that we didn't know it was aerosol spread and we didn't know it could be spread by asymptomatic

00:23:38.200 people. I mean, there's a few things that are really, really wrong with that. So first of all,

00:23:43.700 if you have aerosol spread, you know, masks as people, most people wear them are not tight sealed.

00:23:49.640 You know, people aren't trained to wear masks tight sealed, especially early in the pandemic. They

00:23:54.660 push cloth masks, for God's sakes. Even surgical masks leave gaps. You know, if you ever wear a mask

00:24:01.180 and you get your glasses fogged up, that's aerosols escaping. The aerosols stay in the air. The masks

00:24:05.920 don't stop aerosol spread. So that, that itself was a mistake of the science. The second thing is,

00:24:13.800 you know, early in the pandemic, I ran a study. It was a, it was a study of antibodies in the

00:24:20.180 population in Santa Clara County and then another study in LA County. A whole, you know, a whole bunch

00:24:25.140 of these studies were run early in the pandemic. What we found was that, that, that the disease had

00:24:29.800 already spread pretty, you know, like three, 4% of the population, 50 times more infections than people

00:24:35.340 that then identified cases in April of 2020. Tony Fauci knew about this because we have

00:24:41.620 FOIA emails where he is discussing this study. Most of it's redacted, by the way, so I don't

00:24:46.100 know exactly what he was thinking, but he knew about the study. That in April of 2020 should

00:24:50.480 have indicated to him that the disease was very, very widespread. So given that, why did

00:24:55.040 they adopt this suppression strategy? The right, the idea was that you could suppress it to zero,

00:25:00.780 maybe. I don't, I'm not sure what they had in mind. Flatten the curve so that hospital systems

00:25:04.980 were ready. April of 2020, we already built reserve capacity and, you know, the, the mercy

00:25:09.740 ship in New York and so on, which went unused. Really what should have happened is as soon as

00:25:14.700 those studies came out, the, the, the, the, the powers that be should have adopted a policy

00:25:19.940 of focus protection. We knew very early on, it was older people that were at risk. We never needed

00:25:24.380 to do any of that. And it was clear from the scientific evidence at the time, Tony Fauci

00:25:29.580 failed mainly because he did not read the science properly. And as a result of that, he, uh, he,

00:25:37.380 he, he used his power to get his way on the basis of false ideas about what the science actually

00:25:43.880 was saying, even at the time, it was an utter failure of, uh, of, of someone who'd been placed

00:25:50.020 in such a position of high trust. And as a result, so many people have suffered, um, not just from

00:25:55.200 the disease, but from the, but the policies that adopted people are still. Now he won't take any

00:25:59.940 responsibility for it. We just, we looked it up. We read the, um, the transcript. He failed to recall

00:26:03.920 things 174 times in his deposition, 174 times. And it's smarmy things like, I, you know, do you know

00:26:09.720 who Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is? Oh, you know, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. You know, I may be

00:26:14.560 familiar with that name. He knows very well who you are. You're the man he tried to smear and worked

00:26:19.400 with Francis Collins. If you can just tell him, trust me, as a lawyer, I can tell very easily how,

00:26:23.880 how smarmy and squirmy he is. Um, and then now, uh, a couple of things, um, okay. That I want to

00:26:32.680 get to one of the problems that we've had all along is that he runs, he and for Collins were running

00:26:36.820 NIH in the subgroup and, uh, we can't trust the CDC Rochelle Walensky. They're in on it too. I mean,

00:26:42.620 that's some consideratorial, but really they're in on it. They are, they've been parting part of the

00:26:47.100 suppression and the censorship. And people like me have been saying, where do we go from real

00:26:51.700 information? You know, you've got Jay and you got Martin, you got, but like, where do we go?

00:26:56.040 And this is what's so promising about what they're doing in Florida. Cause you've had a busy week.

00:26:59.180 You went out to Twitter headquarters, met with Elon. That's a brilliant idea by the way,

00:27:04.100 but you also went down to Florida and you're going to be part of this group, which I'm very excited

00:27:08.960 about. I see this as the antidote to those groups I just mentioned. When it comes to getting real

00:27:14.520 information, it's going to be headed up by Dr. Joseph Latopo, the Florida surgeon general,

00:27:18.560 who we love. He's been on the program too. And what, what are you guys going to be doing exactly?

00:27:24.340 So I think it's called the public health integrity committee or something like that. I'm thinking of

00:27:27.620 it as kind of as a shadow CDC. Um, the idea is essentially to, as to give a second opinion,

00:27:33.100 when the CDC pushes forward ideas that don't actually correspond with the scientific evidence is

00:27:38.640 saying, which has happened repeatedly, right? You remember Rochelle Walensky saying to the public

00:27:43.960 that the, that the vaccine, uh, if you get the vaccine, you can't get, you can't get infected

00:27:48.220 and you can't spread the disease. Um, that wasn't true. It wasn't, in fact, it was, it was clearly

00:27:53.080 not true at the time she said it, um, on the basis of that false information, vaccine mandates were

00:27:58.900 imposed all across the country and people lost their jobs for nothing. Um, the, the, uh, the, so the

00:28:04.660 idea of the, of this public health integrity committee is in real time when the CDC puts out

00:28:09.540 information that doesn't correspond to what the scientific evidence is actually saying,

00:28:13.000 we will provide the American people with a second opinion that, that saying, look, here's what

00:28:17.300 scientists, other scientists are saying, here's the evidence, make up your own mind. Um, we,

00:28:22.660 and it's very clear, it's actually to me, actually, it's, it's actually a sad thing because the CDC

00:28:27.260 itself should be doing this. They should be conveying the range of scientific ideas, uh, about a

00:28:32.480 particular topic rather than trying to adopt a party line and then saying, well, this is true with

00:28:37.220 anything else other people say is misinformation. It should never have been that way. You know,

00:28:41.840 science is not politics. Public health is not politics. It should be the case in public health

00:28:47.220 that we reached 95% of the people, 99% of the people, because we're, we have this, you know,

00:28:52.040 we're relying on data on empirical, on empirical reality, not on, not, not on like, you know,

00:28:56.920 it's, I'm not, I mean, I'm not a politician, Megan. I'm not, I just, the whole idea that I've

00:29:00.440 been in public is, is, is actually kind of crazy to me. I'm just a scientist. Um, so like what the goal

00:29:07.640 is to like, try to restore science to that and public health is proper place. And, and, and it's

00:29:12.840 funny because it's, you know, it's governor DeSantis putting this forward. It looks like politics,

00:29:16.320 but it's not politics. The idea is to restore science so that people, everyone can trust it

00:29:23.240 again. What's happened during the pandemic is that you had this politicization of science by our public

00:29:28.080 health agencies, by the CDC, by the, by the, by, by the NIH, even by the FDA. And it's crushed

00:29:36.580 the trust that, that public has in science and in public health. That is a disaster. And so the

00:29:42.760 right thing to do is to, to restore that is to have a second opinion. And that's the, that's the goal

00:29:47.720 of this public health integrity, uh, integrity committee is to, is to provide the American people

00:29:51.960 a second opinion when, uh, when the, the, the, the science, you know, the, the, with the capital,

00:29:57.660 capital T capital S goes wrong. I love this. The, um, according to political, they say, uh, they,

00:30:04.280 uh, they're going to launch a study on people who died of cardiovascular problems after they received

00:30:08.640 the vaccine. Um, the study will coordinate with the state's 25 regional medical examiner's offices

00:30:14.220 in the university of Florida to determine whether people have died from heart complications created by

00:30:18.120 the vaccine. DeSantis also, we reported this earlier this week, asked the Florida

00:30:21.820 Supreme court to impanel a grand jury to investigate wrongdoing linked to the COVID-19 vaccines,

00:30:26.400 including spreading false and misleading claims about the efficacy of the doses saying to the

00:30:31.620 Supreme court, asking for this grand jury to be impaneled state Supreme, I should say again,

00:30:35.900 that the pharmaceutical injury has an injury industry has a notorious history of misleading

00:30:40.720 the public for financial gain. It's so true. Why did we put our trust in them so implicitly

00:30:45.920 and run around getting these shots in our arms without asking more questions? One of the reasons is

00:30:50.700 they made sure the messaging to us was uniform near uniform. And that's what, that's how you got

00:30:56.820 swept in. Let me ask you a question before I let you go. Uh, Elon in the news today, I'm sure you're

00:31:02.420 feeling pretty good about him, but he's taken a beating because he kicked off Twitter, several

00:31:08.240 journalists, uh, including reporters from the New York times, the Washington post, not all reporters,

00:31:13.620 a handpicked the New York times, Washington post, CNN, and other outlets on Thursday night who had

00:31:17.980 covered his dispute with this guy who created a handle that tracked Elon's private jet. And Elon

00:31:26.620 felt doxxed, you know, that felt unsafe, felt like putting this out there was going to put his life

00:31:31.280 in danger. And, um, he had that guy's account suspended on Wednesday, although he had earlier said he would

00:31:38.340 not ban that guy, but then he did. And then he permanently suspended, at least for now, these journalists

00:31:43.920 who, as far as I can tell, all they did was shared links to that guy's, uh, handle, which revealed

00:31:53.700 Elon's location in the process of their reporting. Now there's been blowback by the left and the right

00:31:59.780 on this decision. What do you make of it? I mean, I, uh, on, on the one hand, I can kind of understand

00:32:06.620 where Elon's coming from his, his kid, apparently the, the, the site said where his kid was, was,

00:32:12.580 and somebody like, uh, stopped the car where his kid was. I, if my child is, is doxxed in that way

00:32:19.420 and put under some threat, I would, I might react this way. On the other hand, I'm, I'm against

00:32:23.360 censorship. I, I mean, I don't think that Elon should have, uh, gotten rid of these journalists.

00:32:28.680 I do think that there's some hypocrisy all around here. These journalists were, many of them were fully

00:32:33.840 on board when I was censored. Where were they when they, when, when I was censored, um, even when

00:32:38.720 it came out, when it came out last week that you were censored, they yawned, they were literally

00:32:43.620 sending out yawning emojis. They could not have cared less. Keep going. Yeah. So I just, I, at this

00:32:50.280 point, I, I, uh, I mean, it's, it's, uh, I'll tell you one other incident. So like, I actually did

00:32:55.800 have a, like a 12 hour suspension once from Twitter. Uh, when, uh, what happened was a journalist was

00:33:01.080 writing a hit piece on me, uh, where they wrote to me asking me whether I'd been Coke funded and,

00:33:06.040 you know, all these like, did, when did you stop beating your wife kind of stories, um, questions.

00:33:10.060 And, uh, it was ridiculous. I'd never taken any Coke money. I don't, I don't, I mean, I'm a, again,

00:33:14.240 I'm a scientist. Um, but, uh, and so what I, I was really quite upset about the, about the line of

00:33:19.780 questioning. So what I did is I took the email verbatim, the professional email, the journalist sent me,

00:33:24.340 uh, it, and it has email and has like work number and put it on Twitter just to tell people,

00:33:29.400 look, this journalist trying to write this hit piece on me. Twitter suspended me for 12 hours for

00:33:33.260 doxing. Um, yeah. And I took the thing down. I didn't realize that a journalist would care that

00:33:39.520 his work email or his work phone number would be online, but whatever. I mean, it's, it is what it

00:33:43.640 is. I, if I'd known that he would be upset about it, I wouldn't have done, I would have like redacted

00:33:47.500 that. I didn't even notice the phone number there. And yet Twitter kept me online off, offline for 12

00:33:52.080 hours. Where was the journal, those journalists when I was took kicked offline for 12 hours,

00:33:55.880 where were those journalists when I was put on this shadow ban, uh, this, this, uh, this Twitter

00:34:00.200 blacklist, I have a lot, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't agree with the decision that, but Elon did,

00:34:06.260 but I have a lot more sympathy for Elon here than I do for these journalists. These journalists

00:34:09.640 are absolute hypocrites on free speech. Many of them. I don't know about all of the ones that were,

00:34:14.240 were, were suppressed, but like, uh, the journalism profession as a whole, especially the mainstream

00:34:18.420 journalist profession as a whole, as best I can tell, they don't actually favor free speech. They just

00:34:22.600 don't care. They just care when their free speech is suppressed. We got to care when everyone's free

00:34:26.740 speech is suppressed. Absolutely. Right. I don't, I think Elon's got to reverse those suspensions of

00:34:32.060 those reporters. The one guy targeting him with repeated updates on where he is, that's more

00:34:36.700 problematic. I understand they stopped his son because they thought it was him, but still it does

00:34:40.820 show the danger of this practice. But I think those reporters need to come back online as hateful as

00:34:45.740 they may be when it comes to this particular issue. We got to stand up for it on both sides.

00:34:49.900 Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is so grateful for your service. Sorry for what happened to you. And,

00:34:56.040 um, I don't know. I know you're not in politics, but like there could be a day after all this. This

00:34:59.940 is how politicians, the good ones are born. Uh, although we need you in medicine too. So

00:35:04.320 I want to go back to doing science. Like I'd be very, very happy when the, when I need to go back to

00:35:10.360 that. You can resume your private life. Uh, well, thank you. Thank you for everything. All the best to

00:35:14.840 you. Thank you. You too. All right. Coming up, we have Dan Wooten here and he is

00:35:19.900 fired up about part two of the Megan and Harry quote documentary. Don't miss that.

00:35:30.360 Well, Megan and Harry's six hour Netflix quote documentary, uh, is finally behind us.

00:35:38.340 Thank God. But more truth bombs are popping up left and right. Like the claim that Harry makes

00:35:43.740 his own father allegedly leaking an email. Harry wrote to him saying the couple was willing to give

00:35:51.840 up their titles. This is an allegation made in their film. His father betrayed him is the implication

00:35:57.720 because five days after he put it in writing to his dad, it wound up in the papers. Well, our pal,

00:36:03.200 Dan Wooten is the daily mail columnist and GB news host who broke the story of Megxit,

00:36:08.500 including that claim. So, uh, did then Prince Charles now King Charles leak you this story,

00:36:17.960 Dan Wooten as Prince Harry just alleged. Great to be here, Megan. Uh, sadly not. Sadly not. I would

00:36:23.880 love to think that the new King had a hotline directly to me giving me all the juice, but no,

00:36:30.920 actually Harry got this one completely wrong. It's one of multiple lies. As you know,

00:36:35.800 in the new TV series, he claims that this email was sent by King Charles at the start of January.

00:36:42.700 Well, Megan, I actually had the story on the 26th of December of Megxit. I have proof of that because

00:36:49.120 I was actually speaking to his communication secretary at the time. Oh, by the way, Megan

00:36:55.220 was offering me some of that horrible, nasty briefing about other members of the Royal family

00:37:00.140 that Harry claims to despise so much. Oh, really? I mean, that is the central claim of their pieces

00:37:06.820 that they would never do to other members of the Royal family, what they believe was done to them,

00:37:11.220 which is to be used as a dumping ground for negative stories. When somebody else's name was

00:37:16.860 in the press that he and William promised they would never do that to one another. And now you're

00:37:20.420 telling us on the record that, uh, that his office, Harry's office tried to use you and other

00:37:25.960 reporters to, to do negative stories about the other Royals. Yeah, absolutely. And the thing is,

00:37:31.920 this isn't about planting stories. That's wrong. Journalists who have stories speak to the courtiers

00:37:40.380 at the palace. And before all of this went on, usually those courtiers, if they knew you had an

00:37:47.040 accurate story would do what any good PR professional usually does. And that is try and shape the story

00:37:54.640 with the other side. And so I was more than happy when I had the story of Megxit to hear what Harry

00:38:01.120 and Meghan had to say about it. And actually what they had to say, uh, was fascinating. They briefed

00:38:06.660 me, uh, via their communication secretary that the reason they felt like they no longer had a future

00:38:12.800 in the Royal family was because they had seen a photograph of the queen or the late queen, uh, now King

00:38:20.260 Charles, Prince William and Prince George, which was prominently displayed on the queen's desk during

00:38:27.160 her Christmas message. And they viewed that as some sort of subliminal message from the palace that

00:38:32.360 they didn't have a front role, uh, job to come in the institution. Now I thankfully included that in

00:38:40.120 the story. That's, that's absurd. That's a line of succession. Hello. Even I know that as an American,

00:38:45.060 but wait, he goes on to say in the documentary, the reason he knew it was King Charles's office who

00:38:49.520 leaked this was that in the reporting was the, the news that he had offered to relinquish his title.

00:38:56.240 And so he had only said that to his dad. So he's basically saying it was either me or it was my dad

00:39:02.120 and it wasn't me. Exactly. Because that was one of the key parts of my story. When I, uh,

00:39:09.420 revealed Megxit, the fact that they were prepared to give up their Duke and Duchess of Sussex

00:39:14.760 titles. But again, I had that for numerous days before this email from King Charles or to King

00:39:22.380 Charles had been sent. But I think this all feeds into an overall narrative, Megan, of Harry and

00:39:29.640 Megan as these uber paranoid people who love to drag each other down with conspiracy theories rather than

00:39:37.740 lift each other up. And remember it's never their fault. So no one close to them was ever

00:39:44.740 leaking stories. Megan, if something went wrong, it always had to be the fault of King Charles or

00:39:51.120 Prince William or Kate who have become the bogeyman for the Sussexes. That's exactly right. The amount

00:39:58.380 of grievance in this piece is truly shocking, but we've switched a little. They maintained the racism

00:40:04.940 claim throughout episodes three, uh, whatever we did four or five and six that had been posited in one,

00:40:10.860 two and three, but they also switched to great Britain is racist. Don't forget it's Brexit.

00:40:16.800 Brexit showed how racist all the Brits are and all the people cheering for them in the streets and

00:40:21.620 crying just upon seeing them. Those are racists. At least if they voted for Brexit, that was what part

00:40:27.220 one posited. I'm not making this up. Uh, then we get to part two and we get, yes, they're racists,

00:40:33.660 but also the Royal family who are also racists. We know that from the Oprah interview, according to these

00:40:38.480 two, the Royal family are also a bunch of jealous little brats. They were jealous of her. Um, I,

00:40:46.940 it reminded me of the following. Okay. I'm just going to go to sought, uh, 30, just to tee it up.

00:40:51.000 What we're about to hear from Megan. Cause she reminds me exactly of this person. Here it is.

00:40:56.240 They're not even trying. They're jealous of me.

00:40:59.320 Okay. So that's, that was her motivation for this scene, which is, uh, 10 Harry talking about

00:41:08.520 the two of them. The issue is when someone who's marrying in, who should be a supporting,

00:41:14.500 a supporting act is then stealing the limelight or is doing the job better than the person who was

00:41:20.080 born to do this. That upsets people. It shifts the balance because you've been led to believe

00:41:27.720 that the only way that your charities can succeed. And the only way that your reputation can be

00:41:32.740 grown or improved is if you're on the front page, front pages of those newspapers,

00:41:37.620 but the media are the ones who choose who to put on the front page.

00:41:45.040 That's the thing, Dan, they were just too good. And those petty Royals were jealous. They weren't on

00:41:49.700 the front page, including the queen, including the queen.

00:41:54.220 I know Megan, I have to point out, uh, the queen has been appearing on newspaper front pages or had

00:42:01.120 been since 1926. The idea that she erupted in rage because Harry and Megan happened to be on the

00:42:09.600 front page of her favorite newspaper, the daily telegraph after one event is the most delusional

00:42:15.520 claim I think of her from Harry. The queen loved it when other relatives took center stage.

00:42:22.160 She had no problem. You know, this, this was a woman who had been the center of attention for

00:42:25.820 her entire life. So that was completely ridiculous. But I think actually looking at this from a macro

00:42:30.440 level, what happened, Megan, is that the entire narrative that they had tried to form collapsed in

00:42:36.960 episode four, five, and six? Because as you say, one, two, and three, volume one, was all about trying

00:42:42.460 to convince an international audience that Britain was some sort of racist hellhole. Brexit was proof of

00:42:50.200 that, as you point out. And that by the time they married into, or Megan married into the royal family,

00:42:56.820 she didn't have a hope because of the horrible, nasty, institutionally racist monarchy,

00:43:03.440 British press and public. The problem is, then we go to the true story briefly, that actually,

00:43:13.180 she was incredibly popular after the wedding. So they have to try and do this huge narrative turn.

00:43:20.960 And the way that they have been able to, I think, justify it in their head, and at least justify it to

00:43:26.260 the Netflix producers, who are terrible at fact checking, is that this happened because they were

00:43:33.720 too successful, Megan. They were just too popular. The British people actually loved Harry and Megan

00:43:40.540 too much. And William and Charles and the Queen and Kate were so jealous about it, they conspired with

00:43:48.620 folk like me, the British media, to bring the couple down. It had nothing, Megan. It had nothing to do

00:43:56.640 with the fact that Markle had thrown her father under the bus. It had nothing to do with the fact that

00:44:01.860 she had bullied multiple staff members. No, those are made up stories who had left the service.

00:44:07.420 But their documentary, again, air quotes for the listeners in it, Veruca Markle claims that those

00:44:14.440 are all made up stories. That's that's all baloney. There was no bullying. The stuff about her father,

00:44:20.320 she was the victim, not her dad in any way. And the palace was evil. And every negative thing we've

00:44:27.980 heard about her is made up by the evil palace or the media or both to make her look bad. Because really,

00:44:34.920 it's a Veruca Markle situation where they don't want me to have it. They're jealous of me.

00:44:40.140 Of course. And bullying claims made. And we we shouldn't even talk about them. Because clearly,

00:44:48.140 that is just binding to the angry black woman trope. So actually, don't even talk about it.

00:44:54.220 Because if you even talk about these allegations, right, by multiple staff members, you are being

00:44:59.980 unconsciously biased and unconsciously racist. This is the narrative that Harry and Meghan formed in

00:45:06.000 the documentary. I don't think it stands up to any scrutiny. What I found fascinating is that the

00:45:11.960 moment that Meghan realized the public had turned was when a member of the public approached her on

00:45:18.200 the street during a walkabout in Liverpool and said to her face, I don't like the way you're treating

00:45:25.420 her father. But Meghan's reaction rather than to think, actually, maybe this person has a point.

00:45:31.840 My dad is alive. I've been very positive about him in the past. He single handedly raised me for

00:45:37.560 about 10 years. Rather than think that, Meghan thinks, goodness me, they're buying into the lies

00:45:42.960 of the horrible tabloid newspapers in the UK. But Dan, it's even worse. It's even worse.

00:45:49.720 Can I tell you something? It's even worse than that. So let's say she in her own mind really sees

00:45:55.680 absolutely nothing wrong with the way she treated her father. Okay. So she's like, this person's a moron

00:46:00.120 who's believed lies that have been written about me in a tabloid. Where was this person?

00:46:05.580 This person was in the midst of hundreds of people crying. They were so happy to see her

00:46:11.060 waving British flags, trying to hug her and loving her. This is how small and petty these two are,

00:46:19.120 just like how she picks the one comment. You and I discussed this before on some comment thread on a

00:46:25.380 website article about her that may have said something negative about, let's say, Archie or

00:46:30.140 whatever. And she turns that into the whole narrative about her. That's what she did there.

00:46:35.360 She ignores the throngs of lovers to focus on the one person who believes the tabloid headline

00:46:41.900 to say the whole system was against me.

00:46:45.460 Totally. And do you know why I think she did that, Megan? And I think we've really got to start being

00:46:52.480 honest about this now. She never wanted this to work. She realised that she wasn't going to be in

00:47:01.120 some palatial 20 bedroom mansion, because we know thanks to the documentary, she was very unhappy

00:47:08.760 about staying in Nottingham Cottage on the grounds of Kingston Palace. By the way, I'd love to stay in

00:47:14.460 Nottingham Cottage, Megan. It's in one of London's best suburbs. It has two bedrooms,

00:47:20.960 two reception rooms, a large garden, and you have about 20 servants waiting on you all day,

00:47:26.640 making you dinner, bringing you food, cleaning your bedroom. I would happily stay in Nottingham

00:47:32.300 Cottage. And Prince William stayed there.

00:47:33.680 Thanks to the documentary, this isn't what Megan expected. And that was backed up when Oprah came for

00:47:39.000 tea. And Oprah, I presume she lives in some 25 bedroom mansion, doesn't she? And looked around and

00:47:44.080 said, what the hell are you doing here? People wouldn't believe this.

00:47:47.840 That's exactly right. And instead, she said, you should see Montecito. And then there were eyes

00:47:52.600 on the prize. That thing about the cottage is absolutely horrifying. Prince William stayed

00:47:57.140 there. I learned that from Dan Witten's reporting. It was good enough for the future king, and it was

00:48:02.500 good enough for Prince Harry. By the way, not for nothing, but he was in his mid-30s when they got

00:48:08.360 married. When I was in my mid-30s, I got married to Doug. You know what we lived in? We lived in a

00:48:12.820 one-bedroom walk-up in downtown in Chelsea, in New York. And upon moving in, the first thing I saw

00:48:18.620 was a big rat. So she can spare me her stupid sob story about living on the grounds of Kendrickson

00:48:23.780 Palace. All right, stand by. Stand by. Quick break. God, there's so much more to get to. Dan Witten's

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00:48:49.240 People can say we were living in a palace, and we were, in a cottage. We were living on palace grounds.

00:48:55.540 Kensington Palace sounds very regal. Of course it does. It says palace in the name. But Nottingham

00:49:01.540 Cottage, it was so small. The whole thing's on a slight lean, really low ceiling. So I don't know

00:49:07.540 who was there before. They must have been very short. He would just hit his head constantly in

00:49:11.080 that place because he's so tall. It was just a chapter in our lives where I don't think anyone

00:49:17.100 could believe what it was actually like behind the scenes. Well, Oprah came over for tea, didn't she?

00:49:24.280 She did. And when she came in, she sat down, she goes, no one would ever believe it.

00:49:28.340 No one would ever believe it.

00:49:29.800 Oh my God. Well, back now with Dan Wooden. Just one of the disgusting moments from this piece for the

00:49:37.760 Can I just point out? Yeah. Can I just point out they were only actually going to be in that cottage

00:49:44.620 temporarily because they were renovating a huge suite of rooms, a big apartment within Kensington

00:49:53.200 Palace for the couple to move into. They then decided they didn't want to be there because it was too close

00:49:58.380 to catered wills, even though a whole load of money had been spent. So instead, the Queen found

00:50:03.440 them another cottage. It's called a cottage, Megan. It's a mansion, Frogmore Cottage, on the grounds of

00:50:08.880 Windsor Castle that was renovated to the tune of two million pounds by British taxpayers. So we should

00:50:15.180 not shed a tear for the terrible hospital that Megan was having to live in.

00:50:20.540 Oh, I mean, we all know it's ridiculous. Do you remember her yesterday piping in about how

00:50:24.580 like she had it so hard because she actually had to work when she was pregnant? She was pregnant.

00:50:28.640 Hold on. I think we have that. It's Soundbite 31. This one really fired me up. 31.

00:50:35.560 Here they are. It's Harry and Megan on the first day of their Australian short.

00:50:39.660 They seem to speak so effortlessly for a different generation.

00:50:54.140 She and Harry are the superstars of the British family.

00:50:58.640 I mean, looking back on it now, amazed. We managed to do what we did.

00:51:07.040 Well, also, even harder when I was pregnant. Oh, my God. Honestly, can I just say, like,

00:51:14.160 has has she ever seen a female police officer standing there directing traffic or fighting

00:51:19.060 crime on the street while she's nine months pregnant? Has she ever seen a nurse or a doctor

00:51:22.500 in a hospital standing all day on their feet while they're pregnant? A teacher who stands there

00:51:27.420 dealing with young kids all day long while she's pregnant? Could she shut up? No one cares.

00:51:32.280 She had to be adored by a bunch of Britons out there while she happened to be pregnant and then

00:51:37.380 went home for the foot massage. I they're so out of touch, Dan. It's baffling to me. It's it's it's a

00:51:43.420 marvel. It is. I mean, it's unbelievable, isn't it? I think it's what happens when you get rid of the

00:51:50.760 people around you who could tell you home truths, your old friends, your own family members,

00:51:55.900 and you surround yourselves with celebrity sycophants and yes, men and women, because

00:52:02.280 surely someone at some point is going to give them a reality check because there's so much

00:52:08.000 of this, Megan. They also claim that they are these environmentalists and then boast in their

00:52:14.240 wedding speech that they've taken more air miles than any couple in the world. The contradictions

00:52:20.800 in the way that they act and what they say is so off the scale. But it shocks me that they have lost

00:52:30.120 all touch of reality. Mm hmm. And not only that, let's not forget how many times we see the queen

00:52:36.040 out there shaking hands, saying hello to people, working the lines, letting the people see her even

00:52:41.900 in her much more frail state when she was now we know near death. Like, could you just check yourself

00:52:48.400 for a minute as a young, healthy, fit woman? Pregnancy is a new physical challenge, but you

00:52:55.040 don't get extra credit for it because you know what? Millions of people do it all the time and we

00:52:59.220 don't ask to be celebrated for the fact that we worked while also making a baby. It's called life.

00:53:05.620 It's the life cycle. But a word on the queen. OK, because to me. This was you and I talked about

00:53:13.120 the queen after she died. And I quoted of all people Paris Hilton on your show who called the

00:53:17.480 queen the original girl boss. And you think about what this woman accomplished in her life and you

00:53:21.980 really have to respect her. I mean, whatever. No one hated the queen. She was incredibly magnanimous.

00:53:27.900 She was incredibly accomplished. She almost never misstepped. And there are image of her is mostly as

00:53:34.160 a woman who is pretty much a badass, except in the eyes of her grandson, who would like us to remember

00:53:41.720 her as this feeble, know nothing, disempowered weakling, which is how he portrayed her in soundbite

00:53:50.780 nine, where he talks about going to the Sandrigam summit where things were falling apart. They were going

00:53:57.600 to go negotiate. Makes it. Charles is there. William was there. Harry was there. The queen was there.

00:54:02.160 And this is his description of how it went down. Nine.

00:54:06.720 It became very clear very quickly that that goal was not up for discussion or debate.

00:54:13.380 It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me and my father say things that

00:54:18.780 simply weren't true. And my grandmother, you know, quietly sit there and sort of take it all in.

00:54:24.220 I think from their perspective,

00:54:25.620 they had to believe that it was more about us and maybe the issues that we had, as opposed to

00:54:35.500 their partner, the media and themselves. Once I got in the car after the meeting,

00:54:41.000 I was told about a joint statement that had been put out in my name and my brother's name,

00:54:47.360 squashing the story about him bullying us out of the family.

00:54:51.980 A sign of public unity from the brothers who issued a joint statement calling the report

00:54:57.840 false, offensive and potentially harmful.

00:55:03.080 I couldn't believe it. No one had asked me. No one had asked me permission to put my name to a

00:55:09.120 statement like that.

00:55:09.760 And I rang him and I told her and she burst in floods of tears because within four hours,

00:55:20.200 they're happy to lie, to protect my brother. And yet for three years,

00:55:28.040 they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us.

00:55:31.180 Oh, a lot to unpack in there, Dan.

00:55:33.080 Yeah, Megan, this is when I get mad. So let's deal with the Queen first before we come

00:55:40.300 to the outrageous claim about Prince William. Harry needs to understand that the Queen made

00:55:49.660 every important decision when it came to the royal family and the monarchy. He may not want to accept

00:55:56.280 it, Megan. He may be in denial. She didn't want to see you, Harry, because she didn't want to have

00:56:03.060 to tell you to your face before the summit that you weren't getting your way. It was the Queen's

00:56:10.240 decision and the Queen's decision alone, Megan, to reject what the Sussexes had put on the table.

00:56:17.440 She was absolutely clear that there was no way for there to be a half-in and half-out role for

00:56:23.140 this couple. You're either all in. You're either all in doing the good work for the royal family,

00:56:27.820 for the Commonwealth, or you go to Hollywood and you make your millions and we'll support you

00:56:32.400 as family members, but you cannot be working for me, putting my reputation on the line when

00:56:39.900 you're taking a hundred million dollars from Netflix, which is what we now know happened and

00:56:43.480 probably what they had planned all along, by the way. So Harry's purposeful misrepresentation of the

00:56:51.320 Queen is outrageous. She was not some little old woman who had no idea what she was doing and was

00:56:58.700 bossed around by the men in grey suits. That absolutely undermines what she was. As you say,

00:57:04.960 as the first female girl boss, she was in charge of the royal family. She made the decisions. She was

00:57:10.660 not bossed around. She was the boss. So Harry's got to move on from that one, number one, and stop

00:57:16.740 misrepresenting the Queen. But then the William thing, Megan, I just find completely outrageous

00:57:22.520 because there was one proven bully in the royal family. It was your wife, Harry. It was Megan

00:57:31.080 Markle. It was not Prince William. And remember, Megan, I've spoken to people who work in the royal

00:57:36.300 family for many years. And guess who was there picking up the pieces for the bullied staff of

00:57:43.920 Megan Markle? It was Prince William, who would very often offer them a hug, offer them kind words.

00:57:51.320 And what does he mean? What does Harry mean that William bullied him out of the family? What is

00:57:57.580 the evidence for that? I'll tell you what it is. It's a smear. It's one of those planted stories that

00:58:05.020 Harry seems to hate so much. And let me tell you, Megan, there is no going back now between William and

00:58:11.800 Harry. This is it. He attacked Kate in the Oprah interview. This is now a direct attack on the

00:58:20.200 personality of the future king. It's also a lie. William was angry at Harry. Of course he was.

00:58:26.740 Harry was acting like a petulant, selfish brat. That does not make him a bully.

00:58:34.740 Absolutely right. And just to fill in the lines there, the other allegation about the Queen,

00:58:38.780 which led up to what you just said, was he claimed he had a visit set with her prior to this,

00:58:43.540 and he had arranged it directly. And then suddenly after she spoke with the men in suits,

00:58:48.080 it was canceled. And she said something to him like, I thought I was free, but I guess I'm busy.

00:58:52.900 They tell me I'm busy. I mean, he really paints her in like, it's your daffy old grandmother who's

00:58:57.460 really lost it kind of light, which was very disrespectful. She did not want to see him.

00:59:03.780 So, um, then there's Megan who weighs in directly in a bit, in a way on William. She clearly can't

00:59:11.760 stand William and Kate can't stand them. And the film shows a moment in which Harry gets a text from

00:59:19.160 William. I think this is right after the Oprah interview. Harry gets a text from William and,

00:59:24.700 you know, again, they happen to have it on camera. The cameras are with them at every moment when Beyonce

00:59:29.320 texts, when the future King of England texts, and here's how that went. But so how do we deal with

00:59:35.380 that? Like how on her, like, I know. It's your brother. I'm not going to say anything about

00:59:46.840 your brother, but it's so obvious. It's like, what's even all, it's even more of this about

00:59:52.100 we all try and cover that. Again, Jason, the former aide of Meghan and Harry, as opposed to,

00:59:57.300 that's what I keep saying. I'm like, why are we talking about him as her for Wade and not

01:00:01.340 as the person who works for your brother? That's why I'm not living in a different country

01:00:04.420 because all the comms teams basically like try to outdo each other. But this is the,

01:00:10.940 this is the contract, the symbiotic relationship between the two institutions working

01:00:15.020 the best that it can. Okay. This is a related issue involving William where they're saying

01:00:21.500 he texts after Oprah and they don't tell us what the text says, but I bet it's going to be in

01:00:25.280 spare Harry's memoir. Um, but secondly, now they're railing because a guy named Jason

01:00:31.600 can off and off. He, he weighed in, in Megan's lawsuit against the daily mail in a way that

01:00:38.180 was not helpful to her. And she's mad and she's accusing him of helping. She basically is saying

01:00:44.580 now he works for your brother, this guy, Jason, and he wouldn't have weighed in in this case

01:00:49.260 if it weren't for your brother. That's what she's implying. And it's so obvious and basically

01:00:54.000 to your brother. So what do you make of that?

01:00:57.860 Well, number one, it's like the real housewives of Montecito, isn't it? Megan storming around.

01:01:02.360 If that's what she's like when the cameras are on, just imagine what she has to say about William

01:01:08.640 behind closed doors. I think that was one of the closest insights into the real Megan Markle,

01:01:15.840 actually. So I was glad that it was included. Uh, but she hates William. She hates Kate.

01:01:22.660 I believe she hates them because they're there for a life of duty and she's not, and they weren't

01:01:29.720 prepared to play her ridiculous Hollywood games. However, when it comes to Jason Knauf and the

01:01:37.460 world communications team and Harry's pitiful claim that he's living in another country simply

01:01:44.800 because there are a few PRs who brief on behalf of their members of the world family, right? Because

01:01:51.540 the queen had her own PR. Prince Charles had his own PR. William and Harry used to share this guy,

01:01:58.140 Jason, as their PR. And then they went their separate ways. Harry and Megan hired a woman who

01:02:03.740 used to work for Hillary Clinton. And she was a Rottweiler too. You know, she was a brilliant PR woman too.

01:02:10.500 And all they do is argue the cause for their principal, for their member of the world family.

01:02:15.900 I'm sorry. If you are not man enough to cope with that, and that is what causes you to move overseas.

01:02:23.180 And by the way, Megan, later in the documentary, Harry admits, uh, he misses his friends. He misses

01:02:28.640 his family. He misses his country. This is hardly worked out for him, despite the fact he's trying to

01:02:34.860 paint it as some sort of fairy tale, then I'm sorry, you are controlled. You are controlled and you are

01:02:41.460 manipulated. And I think that is the poison that Megan has long been whispering into his ear. And I'm

01:02:48.000 not blaming her, by the way. He was susceptible to this. He, for a long time, had started to rail against

01:02:54.600 the institution he was a part of because he wasn't happy with the fact that once Prince George turned

01:03:00.540 18, George would be getting all of the attention because Harry would no longer be the third in

01:03:06.620 line to the throat. But at the same time, this is all ridiculous. It's nonsense. It's just not a big

01:03:13.680 issue. He's turned a tiny issue, a very small issue. The fact that the royal family have individual PRs

01:03:20.020 into some sort of mass conspiracy. It's paranoia. And it does feed into the sense that he's not

01:03:27.380 entirely well. Well, and nor is she, because all the things that she says she was called that now

01:03:34.540 they dismiss as racist because of her skin color. I've been called all those things, all of them

01:03:39.020 repeatedly and probably in greater numbers than she has. I put my numbers up against her any day.

01:03:44.460 The B word, the C word, the other B word, diva, even bully. I've had all those terms thrown at me

01:03:50.980 and it's infuriating. It's you don't like it. It doesn't feel good. But as a grownup,

01:03:55.900 as a public person, you recognize what box that goes into. That is Megyn Kelly Inc. That is not

01:04:02.140 Megyn Kelly, the actual woman, right? That's you're getting attacked because you're a public figure.

01:04:06.640 It's not because they know you. It's not like your mom out there saying it, your best friend

01:04:10.160 out there saying it. She didn't have the maturity to understand that, even though she was told we

01:04:14.720 know that because they show the soundbite from Prince Charles in it. Now, King Charles saying you

01:04:19.120 can't let you can't let this in what the media says about you. They refuse to listen. That's how small

01:04:23.880 their little egos are, right? It's like they can't process that. And then there's the moment

01:04:28.880 that it's so revealing where she talks about the dichotomy in what the papers are writing

01:04:34.440 and what her actual experience was with the great people of Great Britain. This is so telling to me.

01:04:42.120 It's Sot 25. Watch this.

01:04:43.440 I thought the public, if they've been fed these lies for two years, what do they think

01:04:49.600 of me? What do they think of me? They must hate us. No.

01:04:59.860 That's exactly the point. The public is not controlled by the tablet. They understand

01:05:06.040 it's candy reading these articles. No one's walking away saying she's horrible, except people

01:05:13.080 who want to believe it. And if you see it from a publication that you trust, it may be a different

01:05:17.560 story. But for the most part, people make up their own opinions and they go with it. And if you learn

01:05:22.380 to ignore the noise over time, if you're a good person, it will shine through. I mean, look what

01:05:29.960 just take President Trump. Look, look what's been said about him. You would think he wouldn't have one

01:05:34.560 single supporter left, but he does. Why? Because his supporters don't listen to the tabloids.

01:05:40.020 The British public was telling her, we're still here for you. We still see the goodness. We're

01:05:45.700 rooting for the royal family and for you to work into it. And she couldn't accept it because of the

01:05:50.460 one person who said, I don't like what you did with your father. She's such a brat and needs the

01:05:56.460 constant stroking at every turn that she couldn't. She couldn't make it in this family because she's

01:06:01.680 not strong enough. Of course. And Megan, actually, she had dream coverage for years, for her first

01:06:13.020 three years since she came onto the scene. Actually, the tabloids took a very hands-off approach

01:06:21.400 because they were so terrified that Harry had made her race, her mixed race heritage, an issue

01:06:28.500 just days after meeting her. So actually, for a long time, the woke media was scared to say anything

01:06:37.900 negative about Megan. Yeah, exactly right. And then some of her bad behavior and the bullying

01:06:45.500 claims, which she just dismisses as such an obvious hit job because they came out right before the

01:06:49.380 Oprah interview. Those leaked out one by one. The palace had been receiving those, correct me if I'm

01:06:54.680 wrong, Dan, for quite some time. Yes, perhaps it was leaked right before the Oprah interview

01:06:59.820 for a reason, but it wasn't just one person. It was many people and it had been going on for a long

01:07:05.780 time. I mean, Megan, come on. The people who worked for Harry and Megan during their time in the royal

01:07:13.020 family are in contact regularly with each other and now call themselves the Sussex Survivor Club.

01:07:21.480 Wow. They are barred from speaking publicly because of draconian British laws, including the Official

01:07:29.380 Secrets Act, which means that if you work for the royal family, you are completely limited in terms of

01:07:35.480 what you can say. So the reason that they were so determined for the story to come out publicly before

01:07:41.180 the Oprah interview is that they knew what Megan had planned. They knew what she was about to say in the

01:07:47.860 Oprah interview and they were determined to get their narrative out. Now, it's so ironic because

01:07:53.980 remember in that Oprah interview, Markle says she was silenced. In fact, the only people who were

01:08:00.400 silenced now are the former staff members and the folk who were bullied by Megan because Buckingham

01:08:07.400 Palace conducted that investigation and decided to cover up the findings. Nothing was ever released

01:08:13.460 and the folk who were bullied by Megan or at least say they were bullied cannot speak publicly. It

01:08:18.380 would be against the law. They could be sued. They could be taken to court because they're dealing

01:08:23.680 with the British royal family. I didn't realize that. I knew that they'd signed nondisclosures,

01:08:28.480 that they were under nondisclosures, but I didn't realize it's actually contrary to law.

01:08:31.620 So that's why we haven't had more leaking from those guys. She's very upset about her voice being

01:08:35.880 silenced in many different ways, according to her, including at that Sandrigan summit that we just

01:08:42.280 talked about where there was a discussion about what's a way to go forward. All in, all out,

01:08:48.060 or halfway in. Here she is talking about how absurd it was that she didn't get an invite to the round

01:08:54.900 table at SOT24. I sent an email to the three most senior private secretaries saying, let's have a

01:09:02.000 meeting. Let's get together and have a meeting. Let's talk about this. Because what was happening,

01:09:06.060 what was playing out in public was crazy. And that meeting was rejected. And it was only once

01:09:11.920 Meg had left and gone back to Canada, that it was then arranged that there was going to be a

01:09:17.380 meeting at Sandringham on the following Monday. Imagine a conversation, a round table discussion

01:09:23.640 about the future of your life when the stakes were this high. And you as the mom and the wife

01:09:32.380 and the target, in many regards, aren't invited to have a seat at the table.

01:09:42.940 It was clear to me that they planned it so that you weren't in the room.

01:09:48.060 What do you make of that, Dan?

01:09:51.600 Well, I've got a few things to say about it, actually, because, look, I'm going to be honest,

01:09:55.340 they didn't want her there. There was no love lost between the Queen and Meghan, between Charles

01:10:02.300 and Meghan, and between William and Meghan. They thought she was a maligned, negative force on

01:10:09.720 Harry. And the idea was, if they could have the summit without her there, they might be able to

01:10:15.020 talk some more sense into him. They might be able to have a more honest family-to-family

01:10:18.680 conversation. At the same time, she could have flown back in. No one was going to stop her if she

01:10:25.000 turned up. The other thing that is really interesting, though, and this has been backed

01:10:29.780 up now by some of their behaviour with Netflix and with the briefing to other high-profile

01:10:35.300 American journalists like Gayle King, there was a real fear that Meghan would attend the Sandlin

01:10:42.920 summit wider with recording devices on her. There was huge paranoia, and there remains huge

01:10:49.540 paranoia within the royal family now, that they cannot speak frankly to either Harry,

01:10:55.000 or Meghan, because they are on such a mission to try and destroy the monarchy that they want

01:11:00.100 evidence that they can at some point potentially broadcast. So that is why there is a real lack

01:11:07.880 of trust about conversations with Meghan. They didn't particularly want her calling in via speakerphone

01:11:13.840 because they thought that conversation could be filmed. And you can understand, Meghan, why they feel

01:11:19.020 that way, looking at the documentary and the clip that you've just shown. Because, of course, while they

01:11:24.700 didn't actually show what Prince William's text message said, they did react to the receipt of the

01:11:32.200 text message. And I think it was quite obvious that William probably didn't have very positive things to say.

01:11:39.480 Mm-hmm. Everything is curated. The moments with William's text coming in, the moment with Beyonce

01:11:44.780 coming in. And then there's the story about the airline pilot who is, you know, just like the Lion

01:11:53.480 King actor who allegedly said she was just like Nelson Mandela. Remember that guy who never surfaced?

01:11:59.240 And then they found all the all the South African members of the Lion King.

01:12:02.580 They didn't exist. They were all like, no, I never said that to her. No. At the event, they found them all.

01:12:07.680 Nope. Didn't happen. I don't know whether this person is real or not, but this this is how she sees

01:12:13.520 herself. Trust me. The only reason she read that Beyonce text talking about how she's like breaking down

01:12:18.880 these historical barriers. How did she put it? Oh, you were selected to break generational curses that need

01:12:25.320 to be healed. This woman actually read this about herself in a text she says is from Beyonce in her own

01:12:30.980 documentary. She that's how she feels about herself. That's why she read it. Can you imagine

01:12:34.900 them making a movie about you and you being like, let me just share with you what Beyonce says about

01:12:39.560 me? I was selected to break generational curses that need to be healed. First of all, I guarantee

01:12:45.780 you that Beyonce knows. By the way, Megan, her husband, Prince Harry, then says that that was really

01:12:52.580 well put by Beyonce. Mate, you're only in this mansion because you have a title because of a hereditary

01:12:59.700 monarchy. Do you not understand? Do you not get this? It's just mad.

01:13:07.440 Not self-aware at all. But I guarantee you Beyonce knows nothing about British history when it comes to

01:13:11.460 this issue either. She's just firing off what she's been told by the woke police is the right

01:13:14.960 thing to say. So these two elevate it to putting it in their Netflix documentary because, you know,

01:13:19.520 they're awesome and we're supposed to be celebrating them. And then she comes up with this story about what

01:13:23.620 allegedly had happened to her on on the freedom flight. I don't know. She was the one she was on

01:13:29.300 it. She was leaving the UK and this this airline pilot or personnel comes and allegedly squats down

01:13:37.640 and says the following. Stop 21. Get on the plane. And it's not the pilot, but whoever's sort of

01:13:45.420 overseeing the crew. And he came and he knelt next to my seat and he took his hat off.

01:13:53.220 And I just remember looking at him. He goes, we appreciate everything you did for our country.

01:13:58.280 Oh my God.

01:14:01.660 And it was the first time that I felt like someone

01:14:04.960 saw the sacrifice.

01:14:09.380 Not for my own country.

01:14:14.880 For this country. It's not mine.

01:14:20.780 We landed in Canada and one of our security guards who had been with H for so long,

01:14:25.500 and these guys were so wonderful. I just collapsed in his arms crying.

01:14:31.560 I was like, I tried so hard. He goes, I know you did. I know you did, ma'am. I know you did.

01:14:38.120 Oh, the sacrifice, Dan, the sacrifice she made in marrying Prince Harry.

01:14:46.900 The sacrifice in giving up a moderately successful TV career,

01:14:54.540 when you had wanted to be one of the most famous people on the planet to go and marry

01:15:00.800 one of the most famous people on the planet, who, let's be honest,

01:15:04.560 you had been stalking for some time. We knew she wanted to find a famous British bloke.

01:15:09.380 The moment that she knew there were friends within the Soho House group

01:15:12.900 who could get her in contact with Prince Harry, she made her move.

01:15:17.400 There was no sacrifice.

01:15:18.780 This was all incredibly well planned by Ms. Markle.

01:15:24.000 That said, the idea that she tried hard is just nonsense.

01:15:30.420 She didn't give it a go at all, Megan.

01:15:33.300 She soon realized that being a member of the royal family was actually going to be a lot harder

01:15:37.440 than acting on suits.

01:15:39.780 She didn't have lots of minions to look after her every need.

01:15:43.100 And believe me, in my work, I've also spoken to many folk who worked for Megan during her time

01:15:49.320 on suits when she was a minor sort of B-list movie actor who would film movies in Europe.

01:15:55.820 And she was a real diva.

01:15:57.680 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, by the way,

01:15:59.880 but she wanted all of her needs attended to.

01:16:02.360 She wanted to fly first class.

01:16:04.280 She had a big rider.

01:16:05.860 This was an actress who certainly believed that she deserved to be treated in a particular way.

01:16:10.700 And actually, it's so hilarious, isn't it, that the royal family that has literal servants

01:16:17.780 working for you 24 hours a day did not live up to those Hollywood expectations.

01:16:23.900 But she didn't try.

01:16:25.800 So I don't think there was a sacrifice in the first place.

01:16:29.440 I don't think many people in the world will think going to move to become a fairy tale princess

01:16:34.980 in the UK is much of a sacrifice.

01:16:37.120 But it's this idea that she made a real effort to make this work that I take real issue with,

01:16:44.080 because I think it's the complete opposite, actually.

01:16:46.820 She did everything possible for it not to work so that she could have this victimhood narrative now,

01:16:53.420 so that she could be paid for by Spotify and Netflix and lots of other big companies now,

01:16:59.280 and so that she could live in the 20-bedroom Montecito mansion that she always believed she deserved from the moment that Oprah Winfrey

01:17:07.760 stepped foot into her apartment at Kensington Palace and said,

01:17:12.080 you can do better than this girl.

01:17:13.920 You can do better than this girl in Hollywood.

01:17:16.620 Mm-hmm.

01:17:18.040 The talking about sacrifice, what did she do?

01:17:21.920 She married a prince.

01:17:23.440 She lived in a castle.

01:17:24.800 She wore the crown jewels.

01:17:26.480 She went around being adored by place after place.

01:17:29.780 She drew some attention, thanks to Harry's selections, the palace's selections of where they might go,

01:17:34.580 to causes in need.

01:17:35.740 That should feel good.

01:17:36.740 That shouldn't feel like a sacrifice.

01:17:38.300 That should feel like something that you're proud of.

01:17:40.120 Um, and by and large, she was adored by all of the British citizens for the most part of her,

01:17:46.680 you know, her time over there.

01:17:48.020 Um, how is that a sacrifice?

01:17:49.580 She literally talks about herself like she's a Marine, like she's a Navy SEAL.

01:17:53.200 She's made no sacrifice.

01:17:54.820 She is the one who chose to give up her country and her citizenship and her religion.

01:17:59.080 She chose to do that.

01:18:00.440 And does anyone think she did that for you, Dan, for the people of Great Britain?

01:18:04.880 She did it for herself.

01:18:06.340 She did it because she wanted more than anything else, the fame, the instant global worldwide fame

01:18:14.320 that would come from marrying Prince Harry.

01:18:17.940 And she got it.

01:18:19.460 She got it before they even got married.

01:18:21.520 It had already been bestowed on her by the nature of their relationship.

01:18:25.200 That's it.

01:18:25.560 That's all it took.

01:18:26.540 That's why he's famous.

01:18:27.640 And so she had the she had the crown jewel she was really after from the moment go.

01:18:32.260 Well, indeed.

01:18:33.960 And let me tell you the one thing that she did sacrifice, Megan, and this should be the

01:18:38.300 only sacrifice that she cared about.

01:18:41.120 She sacrificed the ability to raise attention and tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds

01:18:49.120 to the causes that she claims to care so much about.

01:18:53.020 Because think of Princess Diana and the work that Diana did within the monarchy.

01:18:56.440 And I know people criticize Diana, but Diana was never about the money, Megan.

01:19:00.020 She only wanted a divorce settlement from Prince Charles so that she could continue her good

01:19:05.140 work.

01:19:05.720 And if you think about that good work, she raised huge international attention around landmines.

01:19:11.580 She raised huge international attention around the issue of bulimia, the eating disorder,

01:19:16.400 which she had suffered from herself.

01:19:18.120 And she made game changing progress, especially in the 80s, to the cause of HIV and AIDS sufferers.

01:19:27.020 So there are three causes that at 37 years old, when Diana was taken from us, 36 years old,

01:19:33.480 sorry, when Diana was taken from us, that she had made a game changing progress for simply

01:19:41.500 through her work in the royal family.

01:19:43.540 Now, what did Megan do?

01:19:45.100 What did she do?

01:19:46.120 What did she do during her time in the royal family?

01:19:48.180 Obviously, in the documentary, the only thing that they can point to is the fact that she

01:19:53.620 became close to the survivors of the terrible Grenfell fire tragedy in London.

01:20:00.060 And she was making this cookbook with them, which was the start of something that could

01:20:04.780 have been amazing.

01:20:06.640 But I think the real sacrifice was for the ability for Megan to do good in the world.

01:20:12.820 But as you say, that was never really what this is about.

01:20:15.820 She loves to virtue signal.

01:20:17.620 She loves to talk about feminism.

01:20:19.620 She loves to talk about being a game changer.

01:20:21.660 But when she actually had the opportunity to do it and to represent the people in the

01:20:26.900 Commonwealth, she said, no, thanks.

01:20:30.080 And by the way, I mean, I can't imagine sitting there and being the one like, so I said, let's

01:20:35.480 do a cookbook.

01:20:36.360 And before I knew it, it was number one.

01:20:37.780 Let somebody else tell the nice story about you.

01:20:39.940 Don't be such a dumbass PR wise.

01:20:42.100 Let somebody else tell the nice story.

01:20:43.480 You don't tell the nice story about yourself.

01:20:45.820 Because it's a turnoff.

01:20:47.620 You don't travel to Uvalde and put yourself in the middle of a school shooting situation

01:20:52.440 that has nothing to do with you at all and show up to where all the paparazzi are so they

01:20:57.540 can make sure they see a picture of you paying tribute.

01:21:01.500 You don't make sure the windows are down when the photographers are there at the Queen's

01:21:05.540 Jubilee.

01:21:06.100 Like she always makes you don't go to where the sex workers are and write empowering messages

01:21:11.240 on bananas for them, because your advice is what's really going to get them out of this

01:21:15.760 situation.

01:21:16.160 She always makes it about her because her ego.

01:21:21.120 Honestly, it's like what is it's like big ego, but nothing to back it up.

01:21:25.960 But there's a term for this.

01:21:27.040 But what's really there is an empty vessel who, no matter how much you pour into it,

01:21:31.280 will remain empty.

01:21:34.120 Because Diana, Megan, went out night after night after night with the homeless folk in

01:21:42.020 London to spend time in hospitals in London with cancer patients, with children who were

01:21:49.320 suffering.

01:21:50.660 And I just think Megan did none of that when she was in London.

01:21:54.220 Now, sure, there was a pregnancy.

01:21:55.800 Absolutely, I accept that.

01:21:57.560 But really, the opportunities for her to make a difference were massive.

01:22:02.300 You know, Megan, when she joined the royal family, she had every single cause and expert

01:22:09.140 put in front of her, at least the option to meet all of these people.

01:22:12.940 And she rejected all of them, bar a couple.

01:22:15.480 So I really never think she was that interested in furthering the good causes which the royal

01:22:22.300 family are meant to be about.

01:22:24.240 Because, of course, as well in the royal family, they're non-political causes, too.

01:22:27.320 And we know that Megan is now a hyper-partisan figure.

01:22:32.600 And she's really only interested in furthering causes that are backed by the Democratic Party

01:22:38.540 in the U.S.

01:22:39.320 And she's got him, too.

01:22:41.320 We learned so much more about Harry in part two than we ever wanted to know what a what

01:22:46.300 a petty man he is, what a biter, backbiter to his brother who's been, you know, his big

01:22:52.280 brother his entire life.

01:22:53.280 They were supposed to be thick as thieves.

01:22:54.580 And what's he mad about?

01:22:55.600 Some bad articles that he allowed that to ruin his relationship.

01:22:58.760 She's abandoned her family.

01:23:00.220 He's abandoned his.

01:23:01.400 They talk in the piece about how you can create your own family, like a new family of friends.

01:23:05.620 Well, good luck with that in California.

01:23:07.440 OK, that's all I'm going to say.

01:23:09.020 Stand by, because I want to pick it up there at the loss of both families and her her version

01:23:14.180 of sacrifice.

01:23:15.660 We've got more on that after this quick break with Dan Wooten.

01:23:20.500 OK, so, Dan, there's a couple of things here before we get to her her grand finale, you

01:23:25.520 know, where she shows us her beautiful life now and how she's winning.

01:23:28.040 Love wins.

01:23:28.900 Hashtag love wins.

01:23:30.440 I think that was Hillary Clinton's campaign slogan.

01:23:33.220 So bad, bad move.

01:23:34.420 Look how that worked out.

01:23:35.620 Um, she goes back to the way the evil media has taken advantage of her and of all things,

01:23:42.220 she points to that ITV interview she gave and she claims little doe eyed, sweet little

01:23:50.040 Megan had no idea that when you are miked up and you are standing in front of a camera giving

01:23:56.540 an interview to a reporter, what you say may then appear in the press.

01:24:02.400 So we've cut the original soundbite.

01:24:04.600 If you watch the documentary, she claims this is basically a sandbag by the interviewer that

01:24:09.200 she said she said this on camera, but she did she didn't expect them to even use this.

01:24:13.200 And she has to say that because it was such a ridiculous moment when she was in South Africa

01:24:18.140 and once again found a way to make the story about herself flashback here in soundbite 32.

01:24:24.480 So you add this on top of just trying to be a new mom or trying to be a newlywed.

01:24:31.080 It's, um, yeah, well, I guess, and also thank you for asking because not many people have

01:24:38.000 asked if I'm okay, but it's, um, it's a very real thing to be going through behind the scenes.

01:24:45.560 And the answer is, would it be fair to say not really?

01:24:49.760 Okay.

01:24:50.480 And it's really been a struggle.

01:24:53.160 Yes.

01:24:55.260 She, I mean, how is she to know that the reporter was going to use that and people would react

01:24:59.360 to him?

01:25:00.160 Let me give you some background to the guy doing that interview, Megan.

01:25:03.980 He's called Tom Bradby.

01:25:05.480 He is a long time friends of William and Harry.

01:25:09.200 And actually after that interview, William ended the friendship with Tom Bradby because

01:25:14.640 he felt like Bradby had sided with the Sussexes over the Cambridges.

01:25:19.740 That interview had been planned for weeks and weeks and weeks.

01:25:25.240 Megan knew that it was going to be part of a primetime TV special, which she would use

01:25:31.760 to start to address the fact that she was unhappy within the royal family.

01:25:35.120 So the fact that she is now prepared to throw Bradby under the bus again in front of millions

01:25:41.240 of people and claim that he somehow set her up is a ludicrous.

01:25:47.040 It was all planned.

01:25:48.940 Of course.

01:25:49.360 And nobody made her say that, but here's the good news.

01:25:52.040 It ends in triumph.

01:25:54.860 She's free now of you horrible people.

01:25:57.700 She's over here in America, which we're told is just a home of racial justice, sweetness,

01:26:02.540 love, and light.

01:26:03.620 Wait, that's not her message.

01:26:04.860 Wait, it has to be in order to justify leaving your country for mine, given all the racists

01:26:09.040 over in Great Britain.

01:26:09.760 I don't I don't quite understand the logic, but maybe she'll get me there.

01:26:12.780 Anyway, she feels good.

01:26:14.160 And you know why she feels good?

01:26:15.520 Because she is wearing color, Dan, among the other tortures the royals put her through.

01:26:20.820 She had to wear oatmeal.

01:26:23.460 OK, watch.

01:26:24.320 This is soundbite 26.

01:26:25.980 Until that last week in the UK, I rarely wore color, and I never wanted to upstage or ruffle

01:26:33.700 any feathers.

01:26:35.380 So I just tried to blend in.

01:26:37.880 But I wore a lot of color that week.

01:26:40.540 Yeah.

01:26:41.180 Just felt like, well, let's just look like a rainbow.

01:26:43.240 It's like it's like looking at Nelson Mandela.

01:27:10.300 It's like Nelson Mandela all over.

01:27:13.680 I mean, the slight issue, of course, is that she wore color all the time during her time

01:27:19.800 within the royal family.

01:27:20.860 So it's just another lie.

01:27:22.240 It's just another ridiculous lie.

01:27:25.800 But who cares what color you all wear?

01:27:29.180 Well, she was free, wasn't she, Megan?

01:27:30.660 She was free.

01:27:31.320 And of course, it is in reference to what you said before you played that clip.

01:27:36.460 It is actually, I think, important to note the only real world example of racism that

01:27:43.000 Meghan Markle has ever experienced in her entire life was when a bad apple called her

01:27:50.580 mother, the N-word, in Los Angeles, which she has chosen to return.

01:27:59.080 Not to denigrate my own country, but I'm just saying for people like Meghan Markle, who are

01:28:02.960 woke and constantly lecturing us, they don't really love America and they don't really see

01:28:07.040 this as like the center of racial justice and homogeny.

01:28:11.320 So I'm not exactly sure what the thought was in running, running from the racist Great

01:28:15.480 Britons who voted for Brexit over here to America in her world, the world of the woke

01:28:21.540 were equally, if not more problematic.

01:28:24.400 Yeah.

01:28:24.560 And can I just, Megan, just give one word, right, to my country and to the people of Great

01:28:30.880 Britain, because after the Black Lives Matter movement, when lots of the extremists tried

01:28:37.700 to bring the George Floyd hysteria to the UK, the government actually commissioned a great

01:28:43.980 guy, a black guy called Tony Sewell, to bring together a wide range of top British black

01:28:53.280 academics for a long running report into racism in the UK.

01:28:59.280 And that report has now been released, Megan, and found that Britain is not an institutionally

01:29:05.620 racist country.

01:29:07.100 And there is proof and evidence to back up everything they say.

01:29:11.220 And in fact, when you look at where there are discrepancies and achievement, it is down

01:29:15.980 to class and not down to colour.

01:29:19.180 And white working class boys in Britain are one of the most underprivileged groups.

01:29:24.500 So I just am sick of this narrative that Harry and Meghan are trying to put on an international

01:29:29.160 pedestal that Britain is a racist country because, Megan, provably it's not.

01:29:34.680 That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist.

01:29:36.640 Of course, racism exists everywhere.

01:29:38.820 But the UK is actually one of the least racist countries in the world.

01:29:45.160 That is a fact.

01:29:46.520 How dare Harry, of all people, say that about the country that has given him so much?

01:29:54.240 It was just I was deeply offended by the nerve of that guy, his education, his upbringing,

01:30:00.460 all the riches he's been bestowed intellectually in terms of the people who have been around

01:30:05.320 him his whole life, not to mention actual pocketbook cash to turn around and stab them in the back

01:30:10.980 like that.

01:30:11.440 I mean, it's unforgivable.

01:30:13.100 They've also decided that, I guess, the christening of their children or at least

01:30:18.700 Lilibet, even though she was named Lilibet Diana, you're not allowed to have anything

01:30:23.260 to do with it.

01:30:24.440 You Great Britons, you don't get to take part in it, even though they clearly want the

01:30:27.860 daughter to have the names.

01:30:29.040 Oh, I was named after all the royals.

01:30:30.820 But they can't have anything to do with it.

01:30:32.500 And they include this rather remarkable reveal by Tyler Perry that he's the grandfather,

01:30:37.420 the godfather, which we didn't know before this.

01:30:39.480 It's soundbite 15.

01:30:40.220 We'll call and we'll chat.

01:30:43.100 We'll talk about silly things.

01:30:44.600 And they were pretty serious on the phone.

01:30:46.180 I go, OK, what's going on?

01:30:47.660 And I said, well, we'd like for you to be Lily's godfather.

01:30:50.880 I go, well, I'd take a minute to take that in.

01:30:55.900 And I thought I'd be honored.

01:30:59.260 I'd absolutely be honored.

01:31:01.220 And I got off the phone, took it all in.

01:31:03.560 Then I called him back.

01:31:04.200 I go, uh, hold on a second.

01:31:07.140 Does this mean we got to go over there and do all of that?

01:31:10.040 In the in the church with them and figure all that out?

01:31:13.360 Because I don't want to do that.

01:31:14.580 Maybe we can do a little private ceremony here and let that be that.

01:31:17.780 And if you have to do it there, then it's OK.

01:31:22.000 Surprise.

01:31:23.160 What'd you think?

01:31:23.940 The bloke who they had never met until he offered them his mansion in Los Angeles and a private jet for them to escape the hellhole of Canada with shock horror.

01:31:37.900 There was a photographer trying to snap them.

01:31:40.600 I mean, you know, when do they realize that you can't replace genuine people in your life, especially family members, especially your flesh and blood with Hollywood celebrities who are only interested in you because of your fame and your status?

01:31:56.000 When are they going to realize that?

01:31:58.280 I mean, if you look at Tyler Perry compared to Prince William, right, William has stopped by Harry through thick and thin.

01:32:05.460 He was there for Harry when he was trying drugs and in lots of trouble for that.

01:32:09.460 He was there for him when he went through a really bad mental health period and was lashing out at folk left, right and center.

01:32:14.640 He was there for him when he was caught wearing a Nazi uniform at a birthday party and calling one of his colleagues in the army, a very offensive term for Pakistani people.

01:32:27.480 And I think Tyler Perry is there for you because it's good for Tyler Perry.

01:32:33.380 He wants to be friends with royalty.

01:32:35.140 And I think it says everything about this couple, that they choose their friends and their new family based on status and fame and wealth and what they can give them rather than actually the people who've been in their lives for some time, in some cases their entire lives, because they don't want to have to hear any home truths.

01:33:01.520 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:33:02.520 They totally ghosted her dad, who, again, had been, according to her, a good dad her whole life.

01:33:08.140 This isn't some crap dad.

01:33:09.900 This guy was there for her.

01:33:11.240 He helped raise her for many years when we're told Doria was not around.

01:33:14.800 He paid for her education.

01:33:16.940 He he he loved her and she loved him.

01:33:19.160 He messed up in dealing with a paparazzi who she's just told us in six hours are very difficult to handle.

01:33:24.080 And it can be a real challenge for even sophisticated royals.

01:33:27.500 Never mind some poor guy living in Mexico who hasn't had to deal with this in his life.

01:33:30.800 But that's unforgivable.

01:33:31.940 He's ghosted.

01:33:33.400 If the dad's out, Tyler Perry's in.

01:33:36.080 Yeah, well, last night, Megan, on my GB News show, I was speaking to Sam Markle, who I've known for years and years now, and she's obviously in a wheelchair in Florida.

01:33:46.980 You know, she has lots of health issues.

01:33:48.360 And guess who arrived in the middle of the interview?

01:33:51.780 Thomas Markle Jr., her brother.

01:33:53.920 They had flown with Thomas Markle Sr., who is recovering from this life threatening stroke that he suffered earlier this year so that they could be all together as a Markle family united as they are attacked and pissed on from a great height by their daughter and their sister.

01:34:12.720 And I just thought, actually, I'd rather be with the Markles, you know, in Sam's modest house in Florida, surrounded by love.

01:34:20.640 And people have been there forever than in that mansion with Harry and Megan, surrounded by sycophants and wannabes and users.

01:34:29.900 Guess what happens when you need a kidney?

01:34:31.920 You need a family member.

01:34:33.080 You're not going to get it from Tyler Perry.

01:34:34.600 Just remember that.

01:34:36.100 Dan, such a pleasure.

01:34:37.720 I love listening to you.

01:34:39.160 Love reading you.

01:34:40.100 Really appreciate you coming on today.

01:34:41.620 All the best, my friend, and Merry Christmas.

01:34:43.460 Merry Christmas.

01:34:44.740 We'll speak in the new year.

01:34:46.380 Yeah, look forward to it.

01:34:47.540 Thanks for all the laughs and info this year as well.

01:34:50.980 An update for you now regarding an interview we did earlier this week.

01:34:54.260 On Tuesday, I spoke with John Ramsey.

01:34:56.500 He's the father of John Benet Ramsey, the little girl who was murdered inside her home on December 26, 1996, in Boulder, Colorado.

01:35:04.080 John talked to us about a letter he sent a few months ago to the governor of Colorado, Jared Polis, about John Benet's case.

01:35:11.180 John requested a face-to-face meeting with the governor to talk about different steps he wants taken in this investigation,

01:35:17.980 including new DNA testing of evidence that John and his supporters would pay for, so it would cost the state nothing.

01:35:24.740 John told us the governor never bothered to even respond to him.

01:35:28.260 So we reached out to the governor's office as well, asking why the governor is blowing off Mr. Ramsey, a grieving dad,

01:35:35.200 and for the governor's exact argument for not moving forward with the private DNA testing.

01:35:40.240 We also asked whether the governor's comfortable with the possibility that John Benet's murderer will never face justice

01:35:45.840 unless different actions are taken in this case.

01:35:48.720 We set a deadline for a response, and it has come and gone, and crickets.

01:35:52.520 They didn't bother to respond to us either.

01:35:54.160 After everything he's been through, John Ramsey at least deserves a dignified response.

01:35:59.980 So we will be following up with the governor, and if you live in Colorado, we hope you do, too.

01:36:04.600 You can contact the governor's office at 303-866-2471.

01:36:09.480 That's 303-866-2471.

01:36:13.020 We hope you do.

01:36:14.100 Now, a quick turn into the mailbag, some of the mails we've gotten at Megan Kelly.

01:36:18.580 Megan at MeganKelley.com.

01:36:20.820 Julie says some people think you shouldn't be giving H&M this much coverage.

01:36:24.000 I totally disagree and actually find it to be an education on what power, prestige, and celebrity can do to someone's personality.

01:36:29.680 I agree with that.

01:36:30.880 Donald says, when you went to Amsterdam, did you get to see Anne Frank's home by chance?

01:36:36.800 Yes, we did.

01:36:37.540 It was stunning, chilling, and that alone is worth going to Amsterdam.

01:36:42.200 I will never forget it, and neither will my children.

01:36:44.780 Thank you so much for joining us today.

01:36:46.400 Next week it is History Week on the show.

01:36:48.140 You're going to love it.

01:36:49.100 Have a great weekend.

01:36:49.740 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 16, 2022

Shadowbanning Science, and Meghan and Harry Dishonoring the Queen, with Dan Wootton and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya ｜ Ep. 455

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