The Megyn Kelly Show - Shady California Vote Counting, and Dems' Platner Hypocrisy, with Sohrab Ahmari and Sean Davis, Plus James Patterson on Patriotism ｜ Ep. 1333

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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:01:16.300 The weekend is near, but the news is not slowing down.

00:01:19.080 except in California, where the vote count from Tuesday's primaries isn't anywhere close

00:01:23.360 to wrapping up. This is ridiculous. The only thing that has changed is that the numbers keep getting 0.91

00:01:30.780 worse for Republicans, and somehow the number of votes still outstanding to be counted continues

00:01:39.940 to go up. I guess maybe this is because they keep receiving imaginary new ballots. I mean,

00:01:46.780 actual new ballots. I don't know. Today's Friday. So I would presume that the ballot inflow should

00:01:55.040 be kind of over since everyone there should be mailing it for the most part from California to

00:02:01.400 California. And they had to be postmarked by Tuesday. But yeah, the updates are uniformly

00:02:07.700 bad for Spencer Pratt and Steve Hilton. What a shock. And no one's going to trust this. No one

00:02:14.540 is going to trust this outcome if those two are eliminated from the general election,

00:02:19.440 given the leads that we've seen. I'm going to, when the panel's here, yesterday we didn't get

00:02:23.840 to it with Maureen. Today I'm going to get to the actual numbers as we know them so far and get on

00:02:28.520 the record as we go into the weekend with where we think the vote is. If you look at the betting

00:02:32.460 markets, and they don't know anything more than we do, I mean, well, generally they don't,

00:02:37.140 they're all now voting against Spencer Pratt and Steve Hilton, even making it into the top two.

00:02:42.020 They don't believe at all that Californians are going to let that happen in one way, shape or form.

00:02:48.200 So what we're seeing is the Republicans do well on the day of.

00:02:52.060 And then we slowly watch their leads evaporate as the massive mail in vote from more left leaning districts gets tabulated.

00:03:00.500 That's that's such a nice insurance policy, isn't it?

00:03:04.300 Such a nice insurance policy. Don't you worry if you don't make it in the day of vote.

00:03:08.400 We got you covered. We got you. I mean, we saw that here in Connecticut.

00:03:12.020 Where that we there was film of these Democrat operatives literally stuffing mailboxes full of ballots that they'd managed to get their hands on to try to get that in there.

00:03:24.520 Let's shove it in there. And it just undermines the faith in integrity of elections to allow this kind of voting.

00:03:34.140 I don't care how convenient you want to make it for people. Do we really want to make it that convenient?

00:03:38.940 I mean, these are lazy ass people. If they can't get off their fat asses and get to election polling stations on election day, then we don't want you. OK, we don't want it. We don't want your vote. Who gives a shit about you? You're too lazy. You're too busy. Sure. To make it down to the polling station on election day, then get out. Good. Goodbye. You don't get to vote. That's how it always has been. 1.00

00:03:58.880 why wasn't that system okay? Because we needed to widen the field so we could get people too

00:04:04.940 lazy to get down there to have their ballot counted. I mean, it's just absurd. If you don't

00:04:11.860 prioritize the vote, your vote shouldn't be prioritized. So what we know today is that

00:04:17.160 Decision Desk is projecting the former California attorney general and HHS secretary under

00:04:22.600 Biden, Javier Becerra, is moving on to the general election. So Becerra, who was in no man's land

00:04:32.000 in this entire election until Swalwell bid it and then rocketed up, is now secure. His place is

00:04:40.820 secure. Republican Steve Hilton, who's been leading the pack from the start, less certain.

00:04:46.420 Yeah, it turns out that the far left loser, Tom Steyer, never seen a tranny, I don't want to throw my arms around or allow into girl sports, is surging. 0.97

00:04:57.720 Oh, it's so convenient for Tom Steyer and his billions. 1.00

00:05:02.420 Technically, right now, Steve Hilton still leads the vote total.

00:05:06.920 But the betting markets, they have these two hovering around 50 percent each.

00:05:11.660 They have Steyer slightly above Steve Hilton last we looked, but only by a couple points.

00:05:19.380 And these things are even worse if you look in Los Angeles. 0.73

00:05:23.700 Incumbent mayor, Karen Bass, she's made it.

00:05:28.780 How can we help the Californians?

00:05:30.700 We can't.

00:05:31.420 And honestly, we shouldn't.

00:05:33.160 She's moving on.

00:05:34.760 You remember, it's like the top two get to move on.

00:05:36.780 If somebody got 50% or more, they'd win.

00:05:39.420 That's not happening.

00:05:40.200 So we expected that there'd be top two and the top two move on to the general election in November. 0.95

00:05:46.220 And she's made it. Her place is secure.

00:05:49.460 You people are gluttons for punishment. 0.97

00:05:51.460 And now Spencer Pratt might not be. 0.98

00:05:55.420 Again, back to the betting markets.

00:05:57.100 Kalshi betting that Nithya Rahman will make it over Bass.

00:06:02.700 They say she's got about an 80 percent chance to be the candidate to take on Karen Bass.

00:06:06.340 At noon on the day after the election, it was Pratt who had a 65 percent plus chance to prevail.

00:06:13.660 But of course, what was happening again, the betting markets, it's not the same as a poll.

00:06:16.900 It's like how people are reading the data so far.

00:06:19.360 But they're seeing what we're seeing, that it's an incredibly slow vote count and that miraculously they all seem to be going for the most outlandish, outrageous, unlikable Democrats possible.

00:06:31.160 I mean, just no one's going to have confidence in these results if they squeeze out, especially

00:06:34.480 in the gubernatorial race, the guy who's been in number one all along and now doesn't even

00:06:39.020 make it.

00:06:39.480 That's just, I don't think it's going to happen.

00:06:41.220 I think Steve Hilton will be, you know, one of the final two, but I don't trust these

00:06:45.380 people.

00:06:45.760 I have no faith in them.

00:06:47.560 I have no faith in the vote counters.

00:06:48.780 I have no faith in these California Democrat politicians and their machines not to try

00:06:53.420 to cheat and to exploit that mail-in balloting.

00:06:56.400 and i have only to await the forensic examination that i'm sure trump is going to rain down on them

00:07:03.460 because he's already talking about it and we have steve hilton begging the trump administration to

00:07:08.080 step in to do something unfortunately votes like this are generally states provinces i mean it's

00:07:14.380 not generally considered uh up to the federal government and so i query how much they can

00:07:20.060 actually do. Not everything is going the Democrats way, however, today. Just take a look at what's

00:07:26.500 going on in Maine. So this is one of those seats that has become a favorite for Democrats to pick

00:07:34.440 up. Like many of these political prognosticators think that this guy Graham Plattner can do it.

00:07:40.760 He's definitely the heavy favorite to win the Democrat Senate primary on Tuesday

00:07:44.460 because the Maine governor dropped out.

00:07:48.500 She ran out of money and he was too formidable a candidate.

00:07:51.120 I mean, she's still on the ballot and she's kind of jumping up and down saying,

00:07:54.140 hey, yo, remember, I'm still on the ballot as Plattner seems to be having some major campaign problems.

00:08:00.420 And the polls currently show him with a slight lead over Republican incumbent longtime Maine senator Susan Collins in this general election.

00:08:08.960 Well, you know, politics is going to do what politics is going to do.

00:08:13.520 And he's taken it on the chin these days. He's been leading her even though he has a Nazi tattoo. That's our world. The Democrats who ran for a year calling Trump a Nazi, calling everyone within Trump's orbit a Nazi.

00:08:30.780 now they're like nazi tattoo it's not a big deal get over yourself 0.94

00:08:36.480 i don't do we care about nazi stuff or don't we can someone shoot me a text or a memo so i know

00:08:44.600 on team blue he's also had many incendiary posts online the democrats are like it was a long time

00:08:51.580 like literally 2019 so it's like we're not talking like 2000 26 years talking about like

00:09:00.020 five, six years ago. It's not that long, but you do you, Democrat Party.

00:09:06.360 Then we told you about his sexting scandal that emerged over the weekend, where he was accused

00:09:12.440 by his wife of sending sexually explicit messages to some reportedly six women while he was married.

00:09:22.000 Again, he only got married in 2023. This is not ancient history. And it also emerged that he was

00:09:29.180 using a messaging app called Kik, which is known predominantly for its popularity among

00:09:35.780 child predators. Not to give any sickos any ideas, but we don't have any of those listening

00:09:41.400 to this show. But that's kind of where you go if you want to exploit a child. And he's been on

00:09:46.040 there. He registered. He had an account that was active for years. Okay. So now the latest

00:09:50.940 iteration is last night, the New York Times dropping a piece detailing the accounts of

00:09:55.640 three women who were romantically involved with Plattner before he got married,

00:10:00.760 with the Times describing their relationships as volatile and toxic, and including examples of

00:10:06.840 physical altercations. An anonymous woman who had a long-distance relationship with Plattner

00:10:12.060 as recently as 2016 said he drank heavily and womanized, telling the Times she felt like,

00:10:17.780 quote, collateral damage to the world that is his. And the most serious allegation coming from

00:10:25.100 Lindsay Fifield, a 20-year-old conservative, sorry, 40-year-old conservative who has worked

00:10:31.680 on Republican campaigns. Now, she's dated Plattner from around 2013 to 2015, and she told the Times

00:10:41.500 that he resurfaced, or that his resurfaced online posts, which diminish women and many other groups,

00:10:48.400 reminded me, she wrote, of just how much he hated women. While she confirmed that Plattner

00:10:54.440 never hit or punched her. It seems like all these women so far are saying that, that he didn't go

00:11:02.120 that far. She said the Senate candidate would regularly grab her by the shoulders hard enough

00:11:06.720 to leave marks and on one occasion yanked her out of a car by her wrist after an argument. Another

00:11:12.980 time she says he shoved her behind a door against her will, like physically, and then locked the

00:11:18.960 door and kept her in there against her will until she could, quote, calm down. That was his

00:11:23.680 instruction. Technically, that would be a kidnapping. Doesn't sound like she's wanting

00:11:28.620 to press charges so much as just tell people that this is not a stable person who's running for a 1.00

00:11:34.720 Senate seat. And in a stunning turn of events, now today, Lindsay on X has turned on the New York 0.83

00:11:42.160 Times, with whom she entrusted her story, saying the paper left out key parts of it. She issued a

00:11:50.760 post that reads in part, quote, the Times failed to include any mention that I did confide in

00:11:56.580 multiple friends through the years that Graham had been abusive long before he was running for

00:12:01.880 office. Those friends confirm they told the Times so. It dawned on me that this really was a setup

00:12:09.080 all along, meaning by the Times. The journalists I trusted who convinced me to share a story I never

00:12:14.640 wanted to tell, methodically delayed and twisted this into a gift to the Plattner campaign,

00:12:22.820 violating the trust of his victims, shattering the trust I placed in them with the most

00:12:27.100 vulnerable story of my life, unquote. So she's saying that this was essentially a whitewash by

00:12:34.380 the times, which felt the need to get on record with the story, but to not really go guns a-blazing

00:12:41.440 the way they might say if your last name were like Donald Trump or something like that.

00:12:48.060 Lindsay also writing on X this morning that she's connected to two women 0.99

00:12:50.960 who claim Plattner is responsible for their sexual abuse.

00:12:56.140 Abuse is the word, writing, quote, we're deciding what to do next.

00:13:00.940 So there could be another shoe to drop here.

00:13:03.360 The Plattner campaign vehemently denying, and Plattner himself,

00:13:06.860 that he ever engaged in any violent act against any woman

00:13:11.720 and sort of pushing the story under the same banner

00:13:15.520 as a lot of his controversies.

00:13:17.680 When I got back from fighting overseas for my country,

00:13:21.040 I had PTSD, I was an angry guy,

00:13:23.820 and I said and I did things that I wish I hadn't,

00:13:26.720 but I'm better now.

00:13:27.840 That's my paraphrase.

00:13:29.280 There's a lot to unpack here,

00:13:30.620 so we're gonna bring in our panel, Saurabh and Sean.

00:13:33.440 Saurabh Amari, he's U.S. editor of UnHerd,

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00:15:03.340 insurance agency. Guys, welcome back. Great to have you. A lot going on in the news today. There's

00:15:10.280 a lot in the Plattner scandal. So let's just start with California politics because I do think

00:15:14.520 people are very interested in what the vote count is out there and what the hell is happening.

00:15:19.840 And I don't know that any of us can answer that right now. We can give some numbers.

00:15:27.620 And I will give them now.

00:15:28.820 So California governor, as I said, Decision Desk has made the call that Javier Becerra will move on.

00:15:35.720 Lucky him.

00:15:36.920 They say as of 10, 16 p.m. last night, 60 percent of the vote is in.

00:15:42.360 Yesterday morning, it estimated that 58 percent of the vote was in.

00:15:47.020 Steve Hilton, they said so far, has 27.2.

00:15:50.480 Becerra, 26.0.

00:15:52.280 Tom Steyer, 20.2.

00:15:54.320 But the reason that they can't call it for Hilton is they say of the amount that's outstanding, they can see where they're waiting for votes from or where they believe they are, are heavily Democratic, very blue areas.

00:16:06.320 So they're just presuming that these will be Becerra, Steyer, or possibly even Katie Porter votes, but that they won't be votes for Steve Hilton.

00:16:15.560 They won't know until they actually get them.

00:16:17.380 vote hub reporting that Steyer improved from a 20% to a 38% chance. And tonight's vote hub

00:16:25.040 win cast update driven by ballots in key counties shifting toward him and confirmation of high

00:16:29.680 outstanding turnout in urban areas. Hilton, they say still has a slight edge now tracking to defeat

00:16:38.180 Steyer by 0.6%. This is very interesting to me because no matter what they're showing in terms

00:16:48.380 of outstanding counties, Sean Davis, Hilton has been above Steyer in every poll, typically by

00:16:58.320 high single digits, low double digits since Steyer joined the race that Hilton was already in.

00:17:04.800 And so that would account for deep blue pockets of California and the deep red and so on, even with likely voter polls.

00:17:14.980 So that should factor in who's likely to actually get a ballot in on Election Day or in the week thereafter that we have to wait.

00:17:21.880 I don't trust this. I don't trust this at all.

00:17:24.480 And that's not even counting what's happening in the L.A. mayor race, which I'll get to in a second.

00:17:29.640 But let's just start on the gubernatorial race.

00:17:32.120 Yeah, it's kind of a fascinating little system they've set up here where you've got three ways to vote.

00:17:38.160 You can go, you know, vote in a voting location, you know, pull the lever, push the button, whatever you want to do.

00:17:44.520 You can vote by mail.

00:17:46.220 So when you vote by mail, the post office gets your ballot and they postmark it.

00:17:49.880 Or you can do this amazing new invention called the vote drop box where it doesn't get postmarked.

00:17:56.660 You just put your vote in there, and they'll come and collect your votes, and then they add them all together, and then ta-da, you have all the votes you need.

00:18:04.180 And what I find fascinating about this system is that in the first one where you vote in person, we know when that vote was made.

00:18:11.260 When you put it in the mail, we know when it got put in the mail because it gets postmarked.

00:18:15.680 But there's this magical new third category of votes that don't really have a date.

00:18:20.420 And California law, by the way, says if if a ballot doesn't have a legible postmark, as long as, you know, they have a good faith reason to believe that it was cast in time, they have to count it.

00:18:31.700 And so in this magical new California system, which is like totally safe and secure and not at all like designed to be rigged, you get counts on election night.

00:18:40.880 So that tells you, hey, this this is how much votes this guy has.

00:18:44.980 And then we have the system where there's no way to date a ballot, and they're going to collect ballots for weeks. And we're supposed to believe that that's somehow a credible, secure, like normal way to do elections. There is only one reason to design an election in this way, and it's to control the outcome. Like, I'm sorry if that makes people mad to hear, but nobody would create a system like this if they wanted people to have faith in results. They created a system like this because they wanted to be able to engineer results.

00:19:13.240 That is exactly how this feels, Saurabh.

00:19:16.120 And I have never been one to be like, it's all rigged.

00:19:19.720 These are fake votes.

00:19:20.980 I really haven't.

00:19:21.900 Much to a lot of my audience's disappointment, I've all along been like, show me the hardcore

00:19:28.260 proof before I'll believe it.

00:19:29.900 But this just stinks to high heaven.

00:19:32.160 I mean, Steyer was not even really on the radar in this race.

00:19:36.760 It really was Hilton and then Becerra after Swalwell fell apart. 0.97

00:19:41.780 And they really want us to believe that now this unlikable, billionaire, tranny-loving, bizarre person whose final push was all about getting boys and girls sports something that has between 80 and 90 percent opposition in the United States, that he closed it on Steve Hilton in the final days to where Hilton's only ahead possibly by 0.06 percentage points over him. 0.81

00:20:10.280 It's very tough to believe. 0.98

00:20:13.120 So I'll say two things.

00:20:14.920 The first is I'm 100 percent with with you and Sean on the fact that we need to get back to a situation where election day, as the name goes, is a day, not an election week, not an election month, not an election season where, you know, there used to be this thing we did where we went to the ballot box on that day.

00:20:36.140 for the most part, there were exceptions, I realized mail-in was a thing. But for the most

00:20:40.300 part, most people voted on election day, and the outcome was known by that evening. Remember that

00:20:46.120 it's also the norm across the developed world. Just recently, Britain had local elections,

00:20:52.380 everything was known by the end of the day. So this whole like, multiple means of drop boxes

00:20:59.220 and expanded mail categories, especially much of it is leftover from COVID, for example, in a

00:21:05.080 crucial purple state like Pennsylvania infuriates me and I think creates this sense of distrust we

00:21:12.380 all have where it's like the polls are going one way and then oh conveniently you know ballots

00:21:17.600 start popping up however here's just one thing I would add to that which is the content we are in

00:21:22.840 a context in which obviously the president the republican president is historically unpopular

00:21:29.720 The he's plumbing depths of unpopularity that are unprecedented nationally and everything is nationalized so that and you're talking about Los Angeles, the city and you're talking about California, the state, which are overwhelmingly blue places.

00:21:45.140 So I'm not, you know, look, I'm willing to I don't think I'm as skeptical of what the results are showing so far as you guys are.

00:21:52.980 But the fact that even the question is being raised is a testament to why we need to stop this whole prolonged election season, election day, election night results.

00:22:04.740 You know, I remember during 2020 was like I did tweet something and like Media Matters picked it up because I guess it was wrong thought at the time.

00:22:13.220 But I was like, because I went to bed and Trump was ahead in Georgia.

00:22:16.860 But then there was something about like a pipe that was broken.

00:22:20.560 Do you guys remember this?

00:22:21.540 The leak in the pipe in some precinct and then like ballots kept adding up for Biden.

00:22:28.520 And look, Trump lost 2020.

00:22:30.340 He should have admitted that he lost 2020.

00:22:32.220 But it's that kind of thing that it's exactly like Sean said.

00:22:36.340 It's designed to systematically soak this trust in the system.

00:22:40.320 And I think we need to do a different way. And, you know, so like I don't blame people.

00:22:46.420 I'm thinking about I agree with you and I totally take your point about it's California.

00:22:52.040 You know, there it's full of Democrats. It's full of Democrats. There are tons of far left libs out there.

00:22:57.000 So why would we be shocked that the mail in vote would favor Democrats?

00:23:01.180 Even, you know, even if we were if we could prove that it was entirely legitimate, we shouldn't be surprised that it favors Democrats.

00:23:08.360 However, it's almost like a cart, you know, before the horse or chicken and egg scenario, because it's like, is California universally represented by Democrats because it's filled with Democrats or because the Democrat machine will make sure that it's universally represented by Democrats?

00:23:25.940 Like, I don't actually know the answer to that. I'm not sure I trust them. I mean, what we have today, and honestly, especially at the gubernatorial level, because I can accept that L.A. is probably I'm sure we can look it up, but it's got to be over 90 percent Democrat registered.

00:23:44.020 It's probably just like New York, which went 90 percent about it was 87 percent for Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

00:23:52.600 So I can accept that L.A. is predominantly blue, but the state has got 39 percent Republican, 39 percent.

00:24:00.460 So like that actually should be reflected in the gubernatorial race.

00:24:04.760 And right now we're being told that it hasn't shown up so far.

00:24:07.560 I just like, OK. And what we're seeing right now, Sean, is Steve Hilton.

00:24:13.080 is proposing, I think I said something for Trump, but it's actually Gavin Newsom

00:24:17.100 to swoop in and help. He's proposing an emergency election count accelerator

00:24:21.900 core to bring California election shambles to a swift conclusion. Here's what he writes.

00:24:27.680 This is a campaign statement. California is the laughingstock of the nation when it comes to

00:24:32.800 election reporting. We are the fourth largest economy in the world, home to Silicon Valley,

00:24:36.260 some of the most advanced technology on earth, yet government bureaucrats need a month to count

00:24:41.120 fewer than 10 million ballots. That's exactly the number that Florida does in one night. 10 million,

00:24:48.240 same number. India counts 600 million in one day. I didn't know that. Wow. Hilton will call on

00:24:56.640 Governor Newsom to immediately establish an emergency election support corps, deploying

00:25:01.780 available state employees and rapid response support teams to counties facing significant

00:25:08.700 ballot processing delays. I'm not sure if state employees is the answer, you know, to anything,

00:25:18.080 but especially not this problem, Sean Davis. One other thing just to let you know. Yeah. Okay. A

00:25:25.440 top DOJ official is, hold on. What am I reading here? I just want to make sure I know what I'm

00:25:32.980 reporting. Protecting the integrity of California's elections is a top priority for my office.

00:25:38.700 This is what the U.S. attorney is saying out there.

00:25:41.660 California's election system has serious structural vulnerabilities.

00:25:46.020 Universal vote-by-mail with no voter ID requirements creates conditions where fraud can go undetected and unpunished, eroding public confidence.

00:25:53.920 Without commenting on any specific investigation, my office has multiple election fraud investigations underway in coordination with FBI Los Angeles.

00:26:01.340 We will follow the evidence wherever it leads and prosecute any violations of federal law to the fullest extent.

00:26:05.800 We're also working closely with Harmeet Dillon.

00:26:08.360 She's the head of the Civil Rights Division nationally to conduct a comprehensive audit of California's voter rolls and so on.

00:26:15.300 My office will not look the other way.

00:26:17.120 We will investigate and prosecute.

00:26:18.380 Every legal vote deserves to be counted.

00:26:20.320 Every illegal vote cancels one out.

00:26:22.200 And all that is in the wake of Trump tweeting out, I think yesterday, there's big cheating by the Democrats in California.

00:26:29.160 Votes are all tied up, may not be in for weeks.

00:26:31.700 Under investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office in L.A., why the vote counting delay, President DJT.

00:26:37.300 So things are heating up a little there, Sean. I mean, it's possible if there's cheating underway, they won't get away with it this time.

00:26:44.380 Yeah. What I find fascinating, by the way, is we're not talking about general election results here.

00:26:48.500 We are talking about a primary. And so I don't think any of us is under any illusion about who is going to eventually win the general.

00:26:55.920 It is a very blue state. The Democrats are going to win. Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt are spectacular candidates, but you can't overcome the math.

00:27:03.260 But again, we're in a primary now. We're just trying to figure out who's going to go against who in the general election.

00:27:09.640 And, you know, we're talking about processes which are just ridiculous on their face.

00:27:14.600 California changed its primary rules to be what's called a jungle primary.

00:27:18.440 It's not an actual primary where they're trying to figure out in this two party system, we're going to have a person from this party and a person from that party and they're going to face off.

00:27:26.700 They changed it so that it's the two top vote-getters, and they changed it because they wanted to make sure that it was Democrats who are the only statewide candidates in California because it's such a blue state.

00:27:38.220 And so you might ask yourself, well, why would they do that?

00:27:40.220 Because a Democrat's going to win anyway.

00:27:42.120 And the reason is when you have statewide races, when you have gubernatorial races, those drive turnout downstream and down the ticket.

00:27:49.640 And when you have really, really close congressional representation where control of Congress might be decided by one or two votes, what you want to do if you are just wanting to get to a result is you want to make sure you're discouraging down-ballot voting of your opponent.

00:28:07.140 So what's the best way to do that?

00:28:08.600 You cook your primaries so that the only people at the top of the ticket are one party, and that creates massive down-ballot effects for the opposing party.

00:28:18.440 And so it just, you know, California is, I know it's America. I know it's a very advanced economy. It is a third world banana republic when it comes to actual administration and justice and political offices.

00:28:33.860 This is no way to run a state, but they're not actually interested in running a state. 0.96

00:28:37.900 They're just interested in being in charge.

00:28:40.000 And that's the sole reason we're even dealing with all this nonsense about mail-in ballots

00:28:44.500 and month-long voting, is that the people in charge there actually have no interest

00:28:48.380 in governing.

00:28:49.280 All they care about is ruling.

00:28:51.480 All right.

00:28:52.140 So the L.A. mayor race is not going much better.

00:28:56.740 So it's equally flawed, or at least questionable, I guess is a better word.

00:29:02.600 uh they're showing bass at this is the ap vote count last updated yesterday evening 10 14 p.m

00:29:11.800 they're showing bass has 35.1 percent of the vote and she's moving on pratt with 29.4 percent of the

00:29:19.280 vote and nithya raman at 23.4 percent of the vote so within six points of pratt now yashar ali uh

00:29:27.160 he's, he's, I don't know if he's originally from LA. I mean, he's an Iranian American is a great

00:29:32.600 reporter, but he worked out, I think for, um, then mayor Newsom when he was mayor of San Francisco.

00:29:40.540 Uh, in any event, he's got some history in California politics. And, uh, he posted this

00:29:46.340 update in Los Angeles between yesterday and today, and this was at 7 29 PM yesterday. So he meant

00:29:52.500 between Tuesday and Wednesday. 0.97

00:29:55.560 Karen Bass gained 11,700 in change votes.

00:29:58.700 Spencer Pratt gained 6,400 in change votes.

00:30:02.600 Nithya Raman gained 10,600 in change votes.

00:30:07.120 Nithya cut Spencer's lead from 37 in change votes

00:30:10.120 to 33,000 in change votes.

00:30:13.260 Current rankings, Bass, 195,000.

00:30:16.440 Pratt, 163,000.

00:30:18.820 Raman, 130,000.

00:30:21.100 So that means Nithya Raman is going to have to get another 30,000 votes here alone just to catch him, to catch Pratt or so.

00:30:34.520 And then she's going to have to whatever if that makes them even, she's going to have to win whatever outstanding vote there is beyond beyond there.

00:30:41.880 If that happens. I'm going to eat this packet live on the air, but that is not going to happen legitimately.

00:30:49.340 so wrapped she is not there is no way nithya raman is like the all that also runs she all 0.97

00:30:54.060 but collapsed after that debate how can this be so i don't i don't i don't think she can um but

00:31:00.080 i'd love you know next i i don't have a i don't have a piece of paper but i have i have a nice

00:31:04.700 leather shoe and i will i will i i think based on what we know so far yeah a picnic of unpleasant

00:31:11.640 uh sort of thingsy thingsy a crow i'll hunt a crow uh and bring it to the show but um again

00:31:18.860 You eat a crow and I'll eat a humble pie.

00:31:20.780 Again, a very, very liberal place.

00:31:22.560 But still, you know, none of these questions would even be raised.

00:31:27.000 But for the fact that we're a developed country, this is California is the world's ninth.

00:31:33.240 If it were a country, it would be the ninth largest economy in the world or something like that.

00:31:37.300 In the largest economy in the world as a country home, as Sean pointed out, to the most advanced companies in the country still.

00:31:43.680 and yet there's a banana republic style quality to how we count votes and how long it takes to do

00:31:51.480 that and that that really needs to change it's destabilizing it is it's extremely dangerous in

00:31:58.980 a democracy for people to begin to feel that there's something up even again if whatever

00:32:04.260 wrongdoing may be going on if any is only marginally effective and isn't really important

00:32:09.560 um given the sort of lopsided democratic leaning of the state still the impression of impropriety

00:32:17.060 the fact that it feels like elections don't run smoothly is just devastating for the system

00:32:24.560 and i i hope that i hope there are people wise enough in the california system that there aren't

00:32:31.180 spoiler alert to realize that there's good reason to cooperate with whatever trump process

00:32:36.940 kind of speeds this up

00:32:40.560 and brings greater light

00:32:42.560 to how the process unfolds

00:32:44.760 because otherwise

00:32:45.640 you're going to have generations

00:32:47.620 building up with this kind of resentment

00:32:49.120 that there's something wrong with the system.

00:32:51.980 Like it just needs to wrap up in a night.

00:32:54.360 That's it.

00:32:55.040 Really, election day

00:32:56.640 and then it wraps up at night.

00:32:59.180 Democracies all over the world do it.

00:33:02.100 Ron DeSantis tweeted this the other day.

00:33:04.200 Florida processes more than 10 million votes

00:33:06.380 in a matter of hours. California takes days or sometimes even weeks to count the votes.

00:33:11.760 It is pathetic and it's corrosive to our civic culture. That's exactly right. 10 million votes 0.99

00:33:18.560 in a matter of hours versus, I mean, weeks, stop it. So my crack team tells me that Trump

00:33:27.040 got 30% of the vote in Los Angeles County last time around, which is pretty remarkable.

00:33:34.060 Now, two things to factor in. That's Trump. And even though Spencer Pratt has some similarities with Trump, there's only one Trump. So I don't think we can just assume he's going to get 30 percent.

00:33:47.520 On the other hand, on the other hand, the Democrats burned down L.A.

00:33:55.780 So, you know, it's what you would think that they'd be less inclined to reelect Democrats, even though the first one to make it through is Karen Bass, the one who sat by while L.A. burned.

00:34:08.740 Like you'd think if there was going to be one Democrat who would make it early, who they were like, OK, she should go through because we need at least one dem.

00:34:13.820 It'd be this Nithya Raman, you know, like at least some accountability for Karen Bass.

00:34:18.100 But nope, nope.

00:34:18.960 They're like, how about burning down Beverly Hills next?

00:34:21.720 How about Burbank?

00:34:23.020 Like, they don't care.

00:34:24.780 OK, great.

00:34:26.120 Enjoy the fires.

00:34:27.520 All right.

00:34:27.840 Moving forward.

00:34:28.820 That's enough about California politics, which is just an exercise in frustration.

00:34:33.560 Let's talk about this Plattner situation, because now we're talking about a national

00:34:38.680 race that has a lot of scrutiny.

00:34:40.140 and that is who's going to win the Senate seat in Maine. 0.99

00:34:44.480 Susan Collins is up for re-election. 0.76

00:34:46.600 She's been re-elected there many, many times. 0.82

00:34:49.140 She's this moderate Republican, and she's well-liked in Maine.

00:34:53.840 So this time around, she's gotten a very interesting challenger.

00:34:58.640 It appears that Graham Plattner will easily win this primary on the Dem side this coming Tuesday.

00:35:04.580 But all these allegations are coming out against him in the meantime.

00:35:08.180 And I don't know, I have complicated feelings about this, guys, because it's like, you hate to see, like, these late dropped allegations, especially about, like, someone's interpersonal relationships.

00:35:23.800 Now, it's one thing, like, we found out about Doug Emhoff allegedly beating a woman.

00:35:27.960 Oh, we should know that.

00:35:29.740 We just definitely know if the second gentleman is possibly going to be the first gentleman is a woman beater. 0.98

00:35:36.600 It is relevant. 0.91

00:35:38.180 these are short of that.

00:35:41.260 The account in the Times portrays an angry dude

00:35:44.340 who does lay hands on women

00:35:46.180 in a way that's violent and unacceptable.

00:35:50.040 I mean, technically it would qualify as a battery

00:35:52.360 under the law, which is an unwanted touching.

00:35:55.800 But, you know, I am mindful of the fact

00:35:59.300 that Guy's a veteran.

00:36:00.760 He said he had PTSD.

00:36:02.900 He came back.

00:36:03.900 He's been in therapy like nobody's business,

00:36:06.200 according to him and his wife.

00:36:07.200 all the therapies. I don't know. I'm a little uncomfortable with it, but I also feel like

00:36:12.160 you got three women on the record saying he's a douchebag, Sean. And one of the women is saying 0.96

00:36:19.580 he laid hands on her. Not a slap, not a hit, but like aggressive grabbing. And now she is claiming

00:36:27.200 she's got at least two other women who she seems to be saying are going to make similar allegations

00:36:32.660 about abuse, not, not harassment, not bad treatment. So let's just start there. Is,

00:36:40.460 is this relevant and should we be factoring it in? Yeah, it's a great question. So I'm a big

00:36:47.280 believer in the rule of law and in the rule of law, you have one standard of justice and kind

00:36:51.620 of one code that you measure everyone against. And, um, Democrats created the code there and

00:36:58.500 they created it when they went after brett kavanaugh they accused him of running a secret

00:37:03.760 gang rape cartel in uh suburban maryland i believe in the 80s so that that was a pretty major um

00:37:11.960 escalation uh an allegation that they they levied against someone who by all accounts was a total

00:37:18.200 boy scout and the person that they used in this uh was a woman who could not remember when this

00:37:24.600 alleged rape of her happened, couldn't really remember where it happened. She thinks it might 0.99

00:37:30.000 have been this year, it might have been that year, it might have been this neighborhood,

00:37:32.300 or might have been that neighborhood. But in reality, what we had in that case was no evidence

00:37:37.800 that she and Brett Kavanaugh had ever even met. There was no evidence that they had ever been in

00:37:43.120 the same room. There was no evidence that this party where she alleged that an assault happened

00:37:47.900 ever occurred. And when you spoke to her close friends about it, they all thought she was full

00:37:52.840 of crap. So that was the standard that Democrats had. And what they decided when looking at all 1.00

00:37:58.140 those facts was, we don't care if Brett Kavanaugh is a rapist. So I don't think that's a great 0.85

00:38:03.620 standard to have, but I have not been given the authority to create standards. The Democrats made

00:38:08.900 that one. So under the standard that they created, under the Kavanaugh standard, Plattner is a serial

00:38:14.640 assaulter and he has to go. And I'm sorry, those are the rules they made. I think those are the

00:38:20.500 rules that they should have to live under. You cannot have politics. You cannot have this stuff

00:38:24.720 where one side gets to make these insane allegations and you have to listen to them,

00:38:28.720 where when the same thing happens to that side, you have to dismiss them because they're not

00:38:34.100 credible. So I think under the standard that Senate Democrats created for Brett Kavanaugh,

00:38:38.900 we are required to say that Plattner is guilty and cannot be a candidate.

00:38:44.380 Well, there is that. I mean, here's Senator Sheldon Whitehouse in response to the New York

00:38:49.520 Times piece. He's a Democrat from Rhode Island. Seems like a lot of nothing. I mean, the only one

00:38:54.080 who had anything to say that seemed unsettling was a woman who works for right-wing political

00:38:59.240 operations. Mike Davis points out of the Article 3 project, wow, Senator Whitehouse led the fake

00:39:05.800 rape charges against Kavanaugh. Now he's defending a guy who literally threatened to rape women and 0.77

00:39:10.800 doesn't deny it. We'll get to that. Whitehouse couldn't stand Kavanaugh's treatment of women 0.98

00:39:15.240 with no evidence, but says this is nothing.

00:39:18.300 I mean, he's in a difficult spot,

00:39:20.400 the senator and others who jumped on board

00:39:22.780 the Kavanaugh allegations,

00:39:24.300 not to mention the Hegseth allegations 0.99

00:39:26.840 in more recent history, which were utter bullshit. 0.99

00:39:30.840 I mean, we went through it line by line on this show 0.98

00:39:33.140 in like a crazy segment that no one could believe

00:39:35.740 as you went through this woman's actual account

00:39:37.920 with the police report, which we went through,

00:39:39.620 tooth and comb.

00:39:41.080 But these Democrats love to use that.

00:39:43.660 he was battered over the head with it at his confirmation hearing, Saurab. And now they're

00:39:48.480 like, eh. Now, in fairness to them, those two women, neither of whom I believed, were alleging

00:39:55.860 rape. Maybe you need to allege rape to get on their radar. That's not what they're accusing

00:40:02.040 Plattner of. I'm not sure. It sounds like for a White House, a technical legal battery, physical

00:40:08.520 touching against a woman's will and talking about rape as like a fun tool of control if 0.98

00:40:13.680 somebody were to break into the house he would rape them not in a gay way he said not a sexual 0.99

00:40:17.820 way according to her but in order to dominate and like torture somebody and okay whatever 0.99

00:40:23.560 i guess that doesn't rate for white house probably rate for white house if he were the one on the

00:40:29.020 receiving end of it but in any event your thoughts on the bigger question of like how do we handle

00:40:34.140 these, you know, because you don't you don't want to turn into a Democrat just because it's a

00:40:40.140 Democrat who's under fire here. Yeah. So I should I should lay some of my background for those of

00:40:46.060 you who don't know. I so I was the op-ed editor of The New York Post when the Kavanaugh hearings

00:40:52.080 happened. And I looked up what I wrote at the time. I think it's worth I wrote a column under

00:40:56.460 my own byline whose headline was the drive to sink Kavanaugh is liberal totalitarianism. Right. So

00:41:03.480 So that what happened to Kavanaugh, I've even described to the New Yorker or something once profiled me, I said that was my radicalizing experience where I was like, there's something wrong with how lopsided things are in the media and in the adjudication of especially these kinds of accusation cases.

00:41:20.800 you might think well that was like several years ago that was nearly eight years ago but i i also

00:41:25.400 basically was the first person to go on the record with a piece for a magazine i then co-founded

00:41:30.640 called compact about the hegseth allegations during his hearings and the headline of the

00:41:35.400 piece kind of gives away the gist it was smearing pete hegseth i spoke to like former comrades of

00:41:41.540 his who said yes you know he drank a lot but these particular allegations um you know don't don't

00:41:47.660 hold water. And I put that out there. So with that in mind, I did. So now I'm at Unheard. And

00:41:54.380 we published this piece by Mike Tracy, who's just like a, an equal opportunity doubter of what you

00:42:02.060 might call accusation culture. So the headline there is the hollow accusation campaign targeting

00:42:06.840 Graham Plattner. So I feel like I'm earned my ability to say I think these accusations are

00:42:15.200 very weak. A lot of them are these sort of very subjective standards. It's like it was

00:42:21.760 emotionally wrenching. Really? A relationship in your 20s that was emotionally wrenching?

00:42:28.100 Been there.

00:42:28.600 You know, like I've had some of those.

00:42:31.860 Everyone has.

00:42:32.580 Right. Physicality is a different story.

00:42:35.960 The physicality point, it's very notable, but the New York Times said that those particular

00:42:42.480 allegations this one woman and this uh lindsey uh five field that those allegations the times

00:42:48.960 could not corroborate now you might say and and the idea that the times went out of its way

00:42:53.840 to like publish this story but in a way that protects uh platner ultimately it just stretches

00:43:00.140 credulity because if first of all if you're a times reporter you're out to get like a pulitzer

00:43:04.960 or whatever and at the end of the day if you can say my reporting led to a nominee to drop out of

00:43:09.900 of a race or whatever that's it like you got a scalp and these people as although they're

00:43:15.020 definitely progressive they still want that like ability to say my scalp i got the platinum scalp

00:43:21.180 second insofar as the times is like an organ of the establishment democratic party which it is

00:43:27.080 if they had something that was stronger that they felt they could corroborate without

00:43:31.900 getting slapped with a libel suit they would have run it so the idea that like they abused the source

00:43:37.840 and didn't really run the things,

00:43:39.580 it's because they looked into it

00:43:41.020 and it wasn't a strong enough allegation.

00:43:43.120 And they had to say that they couldn't

00:43:44.420 independently corroborate it.

00:43:45.780 So with all that in mind,

00:43:46.540 just to wrap this up very quickly.

00:43:48.560 Yes, I agree with Sean.

00:43:50.620 They definitely, the left created this set of rules

00:43:53.200 where you're supposed to, quote unquote, 0.96

00:43:54.540 believe all women,

00:43:55.560 even though we know some women lie,

00:43:56.940 just like some men lie.

00:43:58.700 I get that.

00:43:59.980 However, the reason I get kind of worked up about it

00:44:02.640 on no matter whom it happens to

00:44:04.540 is I'm also a father to a son.

00:44:06.560 And I don't want I would like to disarm the entire culture in which we created this sexually depraved culture in which the only values are individual autonomy, whatever you want to do.

00:44:19.020 And after the fact, consent, adjudication.

00:44:22.140 And lots of people got drunk.

00:44:23.820 Lots of people have all sorts of altercations.

00:44:26.740 You know, he said, she said, whatever.

00:44:29.380 But because that, you know, now we need for politically to take someone down, whether they're on the left or the right, we're going to sort of say we're going to go back to your record in your 20s.

00:44:39.800 Were you drunk? Did you raise your voice? Did she raise her voice? Whatever.

00:44:43.680 And your life or your career is destroyed. So it's more important to me as a dad of a son to like disarm that entire culture, if possible, than to like play by the rules the left made, even though again, Sean is 100 percent right.

00:44:57.940 This is the universe these people created.

00:45:00.500 There's no doubt about that.

00:45:01.860 Yes.

00:45:03.040 I know.

00:45:03.580 I agree with what you said, too. 0.92

00:45:05.080 It's it's look if if these women were coming forward and, you know, saying he like like in the case of Kavanaugh, he raped me.

00:45:14.760 I think we'd all be taking this a lot more seriously.

00:45:17.020 But and with all due respect to the women who told their stories, including Lindsay, the question is whether we are now at the point where we are revamping difficult relationships under the banner of Me Too, you know, as opposed to like the Me Too movement was supposed to be.

00:45:34.640 I know because I was there when it started, about workplace harassment that arrested a woman's

00:45:41.860 career. You know, she wasn't allowed to move forward in her career unless she slept with 0.86

00:45:46.340 the boss or someone who was her superior. That's what Harvey Weinstein was doing to women. That's 1.00

00:45:52.220 what Les Moonves was doing to women. That is what Roger Ailes was accused of doing in a different

00:45:57.360 way, although he, in my experience, did not punish people's career if you didn't sleep with him. He

00:46:00.940 just kind of wanted you to sleep with him. That's kind of a different thing, a little. But in any

00:46:05.120 event, this is more like we had a bad relationship and he was kind of a douche. I mean, that's,

00:46:12.780 you know, I'm not sure if that's really where we want to take our politics, Sean. I was quoting

00:46:20.320 when the Ken Paxton win happened last Tuesday, Heather McDonald, the great Heather McDonald,

00:46:26.100 who has been saying for a long time now

00:46:29.640 that we don't want to make Eros

00:46:31.960 the stakes of our elections

00:46:35.200 because I'm not excusing anything here,

00:46:38.740 any of the allegations,

00:46:39.580 but her basic premise is 1.00

00:46:40.900 men and women are hot for each other. 1.00

00:46:44.040 It's kind of how we keep the human race alive. 0.99

00:46:46.380 And it is built in to the male psyche 0.99

00:46:49.700 to pursue a woman.

00:46:52.540 And this is her talking about

00:46:53.760 sort of more of in the office setting

00:46:55.320 and how like it's actually not all that unusual to see a man go after a woman even if she works

00:46:59.420 for him because that's where you find women you know like that's where you spend all your hours

00:47:03.280 at the workplace i don't know what heather would say about this but i get the point which is do we

00:47:09.960 want to make the field of eros the stakes for whether we elect a candidate male female democrat

00:47:17.320 or republican yeah i think the reality is in politics and we can lose sight of this is that

00:47:22.860 politicians are tools. Okay. So you elect them to go do certain things and represent you in a

00:47:27.960 certain way. And at the end of the day, that's kind of like what you're voting for. You're not

00:47:32.620 voting for a pastor. You're not voting for a next door neighbor. You're voting for someone who's

00:47:36.240 going to do what you want them to do in, in office. And we are always treated to this perennial thing

00:47:42.820 where people kind of just want to avoid that reality. So we turn into, well, this person's

00:47:46.900 an adulterer oh yeah well that person's a raper okay well yeah but that person's a racist um i

00:47:52.580 would say the democrats are are extremely utilitarian when it comes to their politicians

00:47:57.980 they want them to do what they want them to do so i have no doubt that they're just gonna be like

00:48:02.520 you know grand plant or whatever he said some stuff we're we're gonna excuse it you had trump

00:48:07.060 famously say that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and people would still support him i think

00:48:10.940 that's probably true um i would like to say one thing about some of the comments that plattner

00:48:16.120 allegedly made about rape, where he reportedly said that if someone broke into his house, 0.94

00:48:22.760 he would rape them, but not in a gay way, but in a dominant way. 0.98

00:48:27.300 OK, so he stole a bit from the comedian Jay Moore. 0.99

00:48:31.280 I don't know if we're familiar with Jay Moore.

00:48:32.880 He was on Saturday Night Live. 1.00

00:48:34.400 The blonde guy from. 0.99

00:48:35.600 Yeah, he does.

00:48:36.800 Is Jay Moore, they got the blonde guy from the Tom Cruise movie?

00:48:42.060 Yeah, Jerry Maguire.

00:48:43.020 He yes.

00:48:43.780 And he's the one who fired him.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, you're fired.

00:48:45.720 It's real.

00:48:46.120 You should deal with it.

00:48:46.900 He does the single greatest Christopher Walken impression on Earth, but he's also a stand-up comedian. 0.91

00:48:51.620 He did a bit that Graham Plattner took almost word for word, except Jay Moore at the end says, you know, I would do it, but not in a gay way. 0.62

00:48:58.640 I'd be like a Viking.

00:48:59.820 So, like, in this instance, it's Plattner trying to sound tough and cool and dominant, and he's just ripping off a line from a comedian, which I find just so embarrassing.

00:49:10.960 I haven't seen anyone else discuss it, but I'm a big Jay Moore fan. 1.00

00:49:14.780 And so when I read that New York Times article, I was like, this guy, what an idiot. 1.00

00:49:19.140 Like, he's such a pathetic tryhard. 1.00

00:49:21.540 You're like, he's not threatening to really rape somebody, but he is a plagiarist. 1.00

00:49:25.000 Yes, he's an embarrassing poser is what he is. 0.97

00:49:29.120 We got to go find those remarks.

00:49:30.620 If we find them, we'll drop them in.

00:49:32.040 Here's the other thing, Saurabh.

00:49:34.480 Sean began by mentioning Sheldon Whitehouse and what he did to Kavanaugh.

00:49:39.060 And, you know, even though now, as I read the tweet, he's kind of like, as I see it,

00:49:43.600 This is just this woman, Lindsay, she she has worked in right wing politics.

00:49:48.080 She worked for the Heritage Organization.

00:49:50.460 And but like, I don't get the point because she also dated a Democrat, Graham Plattner.

00:49:54.620 Like, are we what is she?

00:49:56.500 So she's now she's going to make up a bunch of things about that.

00:49:59.320 I don't I don't think so.

00:50:00.180 I feel like her work history is irrelevant.

00:50:03.300 And she reportedly did tell friends about the alleged abuse.

00:50:06.540 She's complaining that the Times didn't treat those as verifications at all and also had

00:50:12.720 contemporaneous notes about it at a time before he was running for anything. So that would qualify

00:50:18.580 as helpful proof that what she was saying actually happened to her. But in any event, Sheldon Whitehouse

00:50:23.620 doesn't think any of this is a big deal. We should move on. Here's Sheldon Whitehouse when Pete

00:50:28.920 Hegseth got accused. The question of whether Hegseth raped this woman or not is not answered

00:50:33.780 by the failure of prosecutors to charge him. We've had quite enough of men shoved by Republicans

00:50:39.900 into high office after investigations into women's claims of sexual misconduct were stifled or

00:50:46.900 corrupted. Those are his tweets from November 2024. And now he's sounding quite the different

00:50:54.320 tune when it comes to his side. I mean, like the rank hypocrisy is a bit much to swallow, Sareb.

00:51:00.640 I think I think the charge point is very important. Like in so many of these cases,

00:51:04.740 if the behavior rose to a level that would have merited a a criminal complaint why didn't the

00:51:13.500 people in question do it or in the case of hexath i mean i think it is it is important that you know

00:51:19.280 she went to the police and the police ultimately decided not to to indict the now secretary of war

00:51:25.020 so yeah look in terms of the hypocrisy it's really disgusting and there's a case to be made

00:51:30.320 for Sean's view, which is unless we mutually learned that this kind of thing destroys each

00:51:35.160 other, we won't stop doing it. So maybe the answer is this kind of mutually assured destruction

00:51:40.300 that and then let's then we can make a piece about these sorts of accusations.

00:51:46.920 Mm hmm. At some point, one of the dogs has to stop peeing on the on the fire hydrant,

00:51:52.040 like can't go on forever. One's going to have to stand down. OK, we have more on this. I didn't

00:51:56.980 get to any of Graham's on-camera denials, which I will play when we come back from the break,

00:52:02.940 and much, much more. Don't go away. Saurabh and Sean, stay with us.

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00:54:16.660 Back with me now, Saurabh Amari of UnHerd

00:54:19.180 and Sean Davis of The Federalist.

00:54:21.380 Just a couple of good pieces of sound to show you.

00:54:23.960 So again, this is Sheldon Whitehouse.

00:54:26.020 Not to pick on him,

00:54:26.680 because I'm sure there's other Democrats

00:54:27.660 who agree with him,

00:54:28.340 but he says this whole thing

00:54:29.400 seems like a lot of nothing about Graham Plattner.

00:54:31.880 I mean, the only one who had anything to say

00:54:33.400 that seems unsettling 1.00

00:54:34.840 was a woman who works 0.97

00:54:35.740 for right-wing political operations.

00:54:38.280 Here he was.

00:54:39.540 And let's not forget,

00:54:40.260 Christine Blasey Ford 0.98

00:54:41.200 came forward with the help of Democrat lawmakers and their attorneys. I mean, she didn't come 0.99

00:54:47.640 forward just like a babe in the woods, like, gee, I have this allegation. I'd like people to know

00:54:51.340 it was completely handled and shepherded by top Democrat operatives. Sheldon, did he have a problem

00:54:57.840 with that? Did he say, you know what, Ms. Blasey Ford at these hearings, I've got questions about

00:55:02.140 you because it seems like you did some work or are being shepherded by left wing political

00:55:07.860 operations. Let's check in on what he said. I believe Dr. Ford. I may be wrong, but I believed

00:55:16.340 her. And I believe Kavanaugh dodged and dissembled, ranted and raved, filibustered

00:55:26.000 and prevaricated. I did not find him credible.

00:55:31.720 i don't believe boof is flatulence i don't believe the devil's triangle is a drinking game

00:55:39.600 and i don't believe calling yourself a girl's alumnus

00:55:43.540 is being her friend it's the least thing a sexual assault victim is entitled to

00:55:52.160 when she comes forward you cannot tell me miss ford's allegations weren't credible they were

00:55:57.400 credible enough to get her before the senate and yet she was not given the most basic decent

00:56:04.960 thing that a witness or victim could be given after they come forward sincere or thorough

00:56:15.200 investigation uh guys i'm sensing an inconsistency here sean that uh we feel the need to point out

00:56:28.060 but can you believe that and christine blasey ford she like that was an obvious hit okay whatever 0.90

00:56:34.560 she gave a testimonial that had some compelling aspects to it but she was a clear liar operative 1.00

00:56:39.800 being handled by Democrat lawmakers and their staffs.

00:56:43.440 But, you know, he believes her.

00:56:45.080 He believes she was very compelling in his view.

00:56:47.240 We have Megan.

00:56:47.840 She said the whole memory was indelible in her hippocampus.

00:56:51.300 If you remember that line from her testimony, she couldn't remember where it happened or

00:56:55.600 when it happened or who was there, but it was indelible in her hippocampus.

00:56:59.640 I actually would like I did forget that.

00:57:01.900 I'd like to give, you know, a metaphorical tip of the hat to a White House for giving

00:57:06.400 like a textbook classic example of just ridiculous sophistry and begging the question you know well

00:57:13.040 if she's not credible then why am i treating her like she is like is is that somehow some like 0.76

00:57:19.080 slam dunk argument well if she weren't credible why would be right why would we be listening to

00:57:24.340 her uh allegations and and the thing is sheldon whitehouse didn't believe any of it i actually

00:57:29.520 respect him too much to believe that he believed any of that nonsense you know he believed that it

00:57:36.060 was useful to him. He didn't like Brett Kavanaugh because Brett Kavanaugh was not going to rule the

00:57:40.140 way he wanted. And so this was a convenient way to take a guy down who is otherwise without

00:57:45.260 blemish, you know, total Boy Scout and flawless. And, you know, the joke is when you have the facts,

00:57:50.200 argue the facts. When you have the law, argue the law. And when you have neither, argue like hell.

00:57:55.000 Well, I think the new political corollary is when you have neither, you know, just accuse people of

00:57:59.860 rape or racism and so like we all see what they did we all see what's going on and again i i think

00:58:06.280 if we're going to end this business of like which trial by rape accusation either everyone has to

00:58:12.360 agree we're not going to do it anymore because it's ridiculous or there has to be some sort of

00:58:16.060 mutually assured destruction they've set the ground rules and now we're going to follow them

00:58:19.740 sorry sheldon that's how it works yes i i still agree with that it's like i've been at this long

00:58:26.320 enough and been involved in like these testimonials. It's one thing. A lot of the Me Too stuff

00:58:31.180 was not about politics at all. And therefore, I think a lot more believable, to be honest.

00:58:37.700 Though not in all cases, sometimes you just have a woman who's out to get somebody, you know,

00:58:41.660 she's pissed off about a bad relationship or what have you. But the thing is, aren't we getting kind

00:58:46.940 of used, Saurabh, to the 11th hour big expose by the New York Times or the New Yorker that tries

00:58:54.800 to bring a man down with a parade of women who've got some not so nice allegations about,

00:58:59.900 I mean, it's like, I hope Susan Collins wins this race. 0.98

00:59:03.240 I really do.

00:59:03.940 Like, I'm not a Susan Collins fan, but I want the Republicans to keep control of the Senate.

00:59:08.000 And this guy over on Team Blue is talking about adding seats to the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:59:12.740 So it's a no.

00:59:14.000 I would never vote for him.

00:59:15.980 I like, that's just no.

00:59:17.900 But we've seen his playbook so many times, you know.

00:59:23.240 And before I get you to respond, let me just play a little of Graham Plattner because he

00:59:28.280 deserves to appear here a little. Sop to. This is him on Chris Hayes MS Now last night.

00:59:35.500 There are some allegations in this piece that I just want to be kind of unequivocal about

00:59:39.440 are simply not true. Anything alleging physicality, anything alleging that I knew what my tattoo was,

00:59:47.500 these are the statements of someone who's politically motivated.

00:59:50.520 in this piece there's a lot about my struggling not being a good boyfriend certainly self-medicating

00:59:56.940 with alcohol and i've been very up front since the beginning of this campaign that that was a

01:00:01.640 pretty dark period of my life after i come came back from my combat service and that's what that

01:00:06.420 combat that's what that kind of life looks like and uh and so there are things in this that i

01:00:13.200 absolutely uh will take responsibility for and have been speaking about openly for months now

01:00:19.380 but those serious allegations are just not true you did not grab her by the wrist you did not put

01:00:24.840 your hands on her shoulders you did not push her into a room that you closed the door on

01:00:28.680 she's she's lying about that is what you're saying yes that is not true

01:00:33.480 I don't think he helped himself there honestly like I don't there's no way she's lying about

01:00:43.100 the tattoo Lindsay Fifield came forward and said we knew what that tattoo was she was sleeping with 0.87

01:00:48.840 him for two years. You're going to tell me that like there was never pillow talk of, hey, what's

01:00:52.860 that huge tat on your front left right peck? It looks kind of like this Nazi symbol. And she knew 0.56

01:01:02.040 there's emails from her in the August before he came out that October and was forced to admit,

01:01:08.240 okay, that's what it is with where she's like acknowledging that it's a totem, whatever. I

01:01:13.400 don't even know what it is. That's not my thing, but I don't have tattoos and I didn't get one of

01:01:16.800 a Nazi symbol, so I wouldn't know. In any event, there's proof that he knew it in her correspondence,

01:01:21.420 or at least his lover knew it. And I don't believe his denial on that. Anyway, back to the

01:01:26.840 principal question, Sareb, your thoughts on it. Yeah. So first of all, that footage from Senator

01:01:32.880 Whitehouse's statements at the Kavanaugh hearings is just with such a throwback. It was pre-COVID

01:01:41.180 it in 2019 or 2018. I can't remember exactly. And 1818. And it also brought back the classic line,

01:01:49.240 I like beer. I like to drink beer from the from the justice himself. Like,

01:01:55.760 what a thing we live through as a nation. But look, to go to the principle of it, I think there

01:02:04.620 is deeper repair to be done in the culture, which I think Generation Z is actually grasping at,

01:02:11.380 which is the sexual ethic that we, Gen Xers, millennials, et cetera, inherited from the

01:02:18.240 boomers was not a healthy sexual ethic, right? And I think that work needs to be done. But in

01:02:24.480 the absence of that, lots and lots of people who are damaged by the kind of relationship and sexual

01:02:29.900 ethic that just says autonomy is all that matters and consent is the only barrier and you can if you

01:02:36.920 gave consent at the time but then came to regret it you can relitigate that by ruining someone's

01:02:41.640 life uh alleging this and that that all needs a sort of deep repair and that's the work of

01:02:47.560 of our religious institutions it's the work of pastors and priests and so and and and rabbi and

01:02:53.000 so on that is as a long-term uh project and i think that shouldn't be lost here that all

01:02:59.480 Graham Plattner and his girlfriends, whatever the veracity of their various allegations, are all kind of thrown into this culture that we created over the we all collectively over the several decades.

01:03:11.420 And I don't want to lose sight of that.

01:03:13.500 We need to change that because otherwise the only way for people who feel like they're powerless to vindicate themselves because there aren't these larger support structures, family and formation of durable bonds between men and women and so on.

01:03:28.800 The only way that you can vindicate yourself is through the kind of j'accuse, like I accuse you of harassment, of racism, of this and that. And that also works out in the workplace. I mean, these are broken. These are symptoms of a broken culture. But until then, I mean, yeah, I'm with you, Megan. More and more, I just think like we're used to this kind of thing. Sorry, it does feel political.

01:03:48.860 I think it is relevant that that Miss Fifield is, you know, she works with the Independent Women's Forum, which is a think tank, by the way.

01:03:56.220 I like a right of center one.

01:03:57.660 She's worked with numerous Republican super PACs.

01:04:00.440 That's not negligible in the same way that, you know, Christine Blasey Ford's emergence.

01:04:07.920 It's relevant.

01:04:08.940 You're not wrong.

01:04:09.480 It wasn't spontaneous.

01:04:10.760 But I would say, like, I believe her.

01:04:13.040 I don't think she's making it up because of her politics.

01:04:14.840 I mean, if her politics were such a deal breaker for her when it comes to, you know, her the men in her life, she wouldn't have been with this guy.

01:04:22.420 Yeah. But also, I mean, I'm not sure he was a Democrat back then.

01:04:26.360 Yeah. I don't know what he was back then.

01:04:27.660 Yeah. But so the larger point, though, is, you know, I think I think that there's flaws in a lot of these allegations in so far as the Times is going out of its way to say, I think, in more than one instance or in different language that it couldn't independently corroborate them.

01:04:44.640 It's possible that other accusers will come forward and that's part of the process.

01:04:48.980 But what we've been we've seen so far, you know, my gut tells me it it's predictable.

01:04:55.260 And I think he barring more, I think he'll he'll survive this.

01:05:00.300 I mean, I have to say I feel bad for Lindsay because it sounds like she was told that there were going to be all these other accusers in there and then there weren't.

01:05:09.320 and that she showed the Times her diary entries,

01:05:12.340 which is pretty courageous

01:05:13.640 and potentially humiliating for a woman. 0.98

01:05:16.380 And then they're like,

01:05:17.580 there was no way to corroborate any of it.

01:05:19.320 And she's like, what do you mean?

01:05:20.400 You asked me if I had any corroboration.

01:05:22.940 I pointed you to friends

01:05:24.040 who said that they could corroborate

01:05:25.780 that I told them at the time.

01:05:26.860 And then they told me that they did speak to you,

01:05:29.100 Times reporters,

01:05:29.880 but they weren't quoted in the piece.

01:05:31.740 And all you do say is it was not corroboratable,

01:05:34.620 which is, you know, it's very annoying.

01:05:36.780 And it does one does wonder whether the standard would have been a little lower had he been a Republican.

01:05:42.960 I'm sorry that like we looked into these two particular reporters and I knew the names were familiar.

01:05:49.580 Here's just what came to mind. It was written by Katie Gluick and Lisa Lehrer, L-E-R-E-R.

01:05:56.720 Both are political reporters. This Lisa Lehrer in The New York Times in July of 2023.

01:06:03.400 This is just one small thing. I'm not complaining. It's just a color.

01:06:06.780 They were writing up something about my interview with Ron DeSantis at the time, and they write, Lisa Lehrer writes, Mr. DeSantis told the right leaning commentator, Megan, Megan Kelly, noting that Mr. Biden became a senator in 73, five years before DeSantis was born.

01:06:21.260 He's talking about how old he was. OK, so she feels the need to point out I'm right leaning.

01:06:25.160 I'm a right leaning commentator. Just journalist is fine.

01:06:28.580 You don't have to describe me one way or another.

01:06:30.920 And here is how she had referred to other journalists.

01:06:34.800 Jake Tapper of CNN, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell, Anderson Cooper of CNN, Martha Raddatz of ABC.

01:06:43.000 Notice something missing?

01:06:44.760 OK, so that's Lisa Lehrer's bias coming out loud and clear in that piece.

01:06:51.580 But if you're a leftist, you wouldn't see it.

01:06:54.240 Only the right wing knows what they do to us.

01:06:56.480 we always have to have a label on us to diminish us so the reader knows this is not a good person

01:07:02.380 like we have to tolerate this person making news for today but we clearly don't like or were you

01:07:06.600 going to say so yeah the most condescending thing that the times does is when they cite especially

01:07:12.220 if it's a right of center journal where they'll say which is totally well known every one knows

01:07:16.980 what it is but they'll be like the federalist comma a right-leaning journal you know as though

01:07:22.520 So it's this obscure thing, you know, like the Megyn Kelly show, a right wing podcast.

01:07:31.120 Exactly. And they never do it for the others.

01:07:34.440 Yeah, they do this on purpose because they want to get credit for having covered a story,

01:07:38.640 but they need to contextualize it in a way to tell their left wing readers they don't have to pay attention to it.

01:07:43.800 So when you put that qualifier in, they're signaling, hey, hey, we're going to we're going to say that we covered our bases here,

01:07:49.680 But you don't have to pay attention to any of it because this person's a right-wing loony.

01:07:53.240 It's why you never see the left-wing descriptor.

01:07:55.400 It's always only right-wing.

01:07:56.840 They're creating the permission structure for their own readers to ignore it.

01:08:00.420 And they think we don't notice what they're doing.

01:08:03.500 And if you're on the right-wing, you notice they do it all the time and they only do it for one side.

01:08:08.400 All right, now how about her co-author, this gal, Katie Gluwek? 0.92

01:08:13.180 Katie Gluwek, this is what we actually once reported on her 0.69

01:08:16.380 after she wrote the following article in 2024 about Fannie Willis, who some of us in the evil

01:08:25.280 right wing had pegged all along and correctly identified as a grifter who would ultimately be 0.67

01:08:32.060 disqualified from the prosecution of Donald Trump because she couldn't keep it in her pants, 1.00

01:08:36.840 saying that probably doesn't really apply to women, but you get the picture, and has a bunch 0.63

01:08:41.960 of other problems now coming her way too. There's a bunch of other allegations against her. This is 1.00

01:08:45.740 how Katie saw the problems for Fannie Willis. Why the case against Fannie Willis feels familiar to

01:08:51.680 black women. Okay. So that's what we're dealing with on these two reporters. And I feel bad 0.90

01:08:57.540 because Lindsay Fifield is now beating herself up online saying, I never should have trusted these

01:09:01.820 two. You know, like they, they made me assurances and I made assurances to other women and it turns

01:09:08.100 out they used me and I get why she's pissed today. Just don't, don't trust the New York

01:09:13.980 Times. And honestly, if I were Lindsay and these other gals and I wanted to speak and she's got

01:09:17.540 these other two gals, I would do it direct to cam, you know, like remove the middle, the middle man.

01:09:23.480 And it's certainly for the middle man is the New York Times. Just do it. Go all three of you on 1.00

01:09:27.440 cam. You can come here or you could just do it direct to cam and your own podcast or camera

01:09:31.660 webcam. But don't trust the New York Times for something like this involving a Democrat politician

01:09:37.040 and a Senate seat in Maine that both parties really want.

01:09:42.840 Okay, I want to keep going.

01:09:44.440 So now this week in the trial of Carmelo Anthony,

01:09:49.020 the 17-year-old down in Texas who happens to be black

01:09:53.740 who stabbed a 17-year-old named Austin Metcalf in the heart 0.97

01:09:58.120 who happened to be white and killed him.

01:10:01.720 We've had jury selection. 0.77

01:10:03.500 We've had the jury impaneled.

01:10:06.320 We've had opening statements, and now we're in the midst of witness testimony in this trial, which is moving along at quite a clip.

01:10:11.680 The latest outrage is that no black people made it onto the jury of 12.

01:10:17.620 And some, because Carmelo Anthony's defenders are already trying to make this about race, you know, that somehow he got arrested because of race or he was targeted by Austin Metcalf because of race.

01:10:31.120 Zero evidence of that.

01:10:33.120 Zero.

01:10:33.920 There's not even something that they can exploit and make something out of.

01:10:37.640 Literally nothing has been said about race.

01:10:40.040 There's no dynamic about race.

01:10:41.480 There's no allegations that Austin Metcalf was in any way a racist or had ever said racist things to Carmelo or anybody else.

01:10:47.040 Nothing, nothing.

01:10:49.140 However, you know, these loons on the left who want to make everything about race are going to do what they're going to do, and they're doing it here. 0.70

01:10:54.460 So they're very, very angry that there are no black jurors. 0.89

01:10:56.520 what it turns out, Sean, the reason there are no black jurors is because several of the black

01:11:01.780 jurors in voir dire explicitly said they could never put a brother in jail. OK, you'll get 0.95

01:11:08.460 bounced every time for that. And the last remaining three who were in the running were

01:11:14.820 all educators. And I think a lot of prosecution, a lot of prosecutors would bounce an educator

01:11:21.400 fearful that they wouldn't have the stomach to convict in a case like this that involves a

01:11:27.020 teenager a 17 year old right they may be looking at him too sympathetically and also because this

01:11:32.520 is this happened at a school so they think they're the experts they're the mini expert you didn't no

01:11:38.080 lawyer really wants the self-described expert on his or her jury you know you want the jury to look

01:11:44.440 at you and your witnesses as the expert and not to have three self-declared ones taking over so

01:11:50.320 this is all legit but they're already setting it up on team defense for some sort of like the

01:11:57.180 the fix is in because it's all whites judging a black man your thoughts yeah i mean it's it's

01:12:04.020 sadly predictable i mean the facts are so stacked against anthony in this he he was in a place he

01:12:10.220 had no business being in he was asked to leave he didn't leave um they you know get into an

01:12:15.860 altercation of words and then he decides he needs to stab this guy um you know it was self-defense

01:12:21.780 now i i've done a lot of self-defense classes if anyone's ever been to a concealed carry class you

01:12:26.700 get this rammed into your brain then when it comes to self-defense proportionality is a really

01:12:32.120 really key element if you are walking around as like a gun owner or a concealed carry holder and 0.98

01:12:38.120 you have a firearm on you and someone comes up to you and says hey i'm gonna punch you in the face

01:12:42.500 you're not allowed to shoot that person that is not allowed uh to be a kind of proportional deadly

01:12:48.860 force you weren't at risk at that point if someone comes in you know roughly same size and you know

01:12:54.020 just kind of sucker punches you or punches you in the stomach you're also not allowed to go and

01:12:58.440 stab that person or shoot them again proportionality is a really really important thing

01:13:02.960 and the facts here this claim that it was in self-defense that was he was in fear of his life 0.98

01:13:07.620 is nonsense the defense knows it's nonsense and so what i think they're trying to do is create this

01:13:13.560 new kind of oj dynamic where they want to completely racialize it and and either somehow

01:13:19.360 get him off by making sure they have people on the jury who sympathize him who sympathize with

01:13:23.560 him racially or they want to be able to contextualize it or get it thrown out on appeal

01:13:27.720 it wasn't a jury of of his peers i i think it's absolute nonsense um you know it seems to have

01:13:34.540 in an unprovoked, fatal, deadly attack. And they don't have the facts with them. They don't have

01:13:39.620 the law with them. So now they just have to cry racism. That's the thing. So provocation is

01:13:45.640 relevant here. It was unprovoked by Austin Metcalf, but it was provoked by Carmelo Anthony.

01:13:54.660 You know, Carmelo Anthony, according to the police report, went over to him. Well, Austin said,

01:14:00.540 get out of our tent. I mean, it's come out in the trial that there were multiple tents at the track

01:14:05.440 meet for multiple schools, and you were supposed to stand, if at all, under the tent for your school

01:14:10.580 and not somebody else's school. And the tents were predominantly for the athletes to come back to

01:14:16.300 in between, like, meets. So understandably, you wouldn't want, you know, the rival school under

01:14:21.640 your tent, and nobody was doing that. But what they testified to was Carmelo Anthony's school

01:14:26.580 didn't have a tent. So it's possible he was wandering there in good faith. I don't know.

01:14:31.580 I'm not sure I didn't hear the testimony firsthand yet, but that it could be that he was in the wrong

01:14:35.700 place and didn't realize he shouldn't be. But he was told by Austin Metcalf to leave the tent.

01:14:40.860 And there was testimony by a coach that he had told Austin Metcalf, like, you be a leader,

01:14:46.080 you know, keep things in order in here, which would include keeping out rival teams representatives

01:14:52.940 and that he had gone over to Carmelo Anthony and told him to leave.

01:14:56.600 And it was the equivalent of make me, you know, and he said, you know,

01:15:00.140 why don't you put your hands on me and see, like, see if you can make me.

01:15:04.260 And that Austin Metcalf did put hands on Carmelo Anthony in some way, shape or form.

01:15:08.940 Like there's been testimony that he grabbed him or he may have pushed him.

01:15:13.680 He didn't punch him.

01:15:14.660 No one's even alleging a punch.

01:15:16.620 And then the next thing you know, he got stabbed through the heart.

01:15:18.740 So there was provocation, but it was by the defendant.

01:15:21.620 And the self-defense law doesn't allow that. You can't provoke someone to hit you in the face

01:15:26.480 and then react with deadly force and claim self-defense. First of all, only deadly force

01:15:32.900 against you can be met with deadly force, to your point, Sean. That's very clear. And second of all,

01:15:38.240 even if Austin Metcalf had pulled a knife, there'd be a question about whether Carmelo Anthony could

01:15:44.680 argue self-defense because he provoked him. You can't provoke the person to attack you and then

01:15:49.680 say, I was doing self-defense when you provoked him. But here's something even more interesting.

01:15:55.700 Yesterday in the defense's opening statement for Carmelo Anthony, the lawyer said the following

01:16:01.920 thing. He said that Anthony made a split second decision out of fear. In that split second,

01:16:14.620 Mello, which I guess is what they call Carmelo, has a decision to make, how and when to act.

01:16:20.660 He said, self-defense is useless if you wait too late to defend yourself.

01:16:25.120 He reacts in a split second of fear, chaos.

01:16:29.460 And to me, Saurabh, it almost sounds like they're getting ready to argue mistaken self-defense,

01:16:35.900 where they may be getting ready to argue, okay, it wasn't like perfect self-defense

01:16:41.300 where he truly was under threat from Austin Metcalf.

01:16:44.000 They may be getting ready to argue.

01:16:45.980 He believed he was about to get attacked by Austin Metcalf.

01:16:50.800 Mistakenly, I thought he had a knife.

01:16:53.840 I thought he had a weapon.

01:16:55.400 I was mistaken.

01:16:56.780 And in Texas, I looked it up.

01:16:58.040 That's imperfect self-defense.

01:16:59.820 You often see it when you have a defense of others defense.

01:17:03.040 So it's like, you know, I shot the man in the red jacket.

01:17:07.200 Why?

01:17:07.740 He wasn't coming toward you.

01:17:09.060 Well, because I thought he was attacking that woman.

01:17:11.300 No, he was only kissing her.

01:17:12.880 Oh, I was wrong.

01:17:14.420 That's imperfect self-defense.

01:17:16.420 Sorry, that's imperfect defense of others.

01:17:18.080 And this may be imperfect self-defense where like,

01:17:20.480 I thought he was going to attack me with a knife, but he didn't.

01:17:22.800 And in Texas, if that's your argument,

01:17:24.600 you can only downgrade it to involuntary manslaughter.

01:17:27.520 You can't get a not guilty if that's your defense.

01:17:31.760 So I don't know if that's what they're going for.

01:17:33.080 It's kind of interesting if that's what they're going for.

01:17:35.120 But you tell me whether a Texas jury is going to look at any of this.

01:17:40.980 I mean, they say that this Carmelo Anthony had good grades, was an upstanding student, you know, came from a nice family, though that nice family is now playing the race card in a way that's very despicable.

01:17:52.840 You know, what are the odds they're going to look at this kid and want to lock him up for the rest of his life? 0.98

01:17:58.120 I don't know if it's reasonable, I guess, if, you know, to think about, you know, someone is coming at you, they've asked you to leave a place, and you are put in such danger that it justifies you pulling a knife and stabbing them in the heart.

01:18:13.780 you know I don't I look I mean there's there's the legal standard of you know imperfect self

01:18:20.560 defense or just self defense and then there's the facts of this case and I just don't you know I

01:18:27.100 know big city lawyer but I don't see how that that those thresholds can be met by Carmelo it just

01:18:35.240 it just seems like a pretty open shut case to me right someone tells you to leave you say well

01:18:42.240 make me the person approaches you even if they put an arm on you to escort you out or to sort of

01:18:47.780 thrust you out that is that as is in in any possible universe is it a reasonable response 0.98

01:18:53.960 to stab them in the heart so like and what you know again like with the with the black jurors 0.86

01:18:59.020 like what what difference would would that make like it's again i think here's my bottom line is 0.99

01:19:04.580 most people following the facts of this case would conclude that this is a pretty open and shut case

01:19:09.700 And these all seem pretty like desperate lawyers maneuvers.

01:19:12.960 I can't blame the lawyers.

01:19:14.160 It's their duty to, you know, offer the best possible representation they can.

01:19:19.300 And they are obviously every possible thing they can throw.

01:19:22.640 But I'm sorry.

01:19:23.580 It just seems like it's over.

01:19:26.800 Yeah, before I began.

01:19:27.860 I agree with you.

01:19:29.340 All right.

01:19:29.880 I know, Sean, you've got to go.

01:19:31.340 We'll say goodbye to you.

01:19:32.500 And Saurabh, you guys, thank you both so much for coming on.

01:19:34.920 I hope to see you again soon.

01:19:36.000 I want to just tell the audience that this just came in as we were finishing up our discussion.

01:19:42.960 This is just an update from the trial because it's underway right now via the Daily Mail.

01:19:46.720 Police body cam footage played in court today captured Hunter, who is Austin's identical twin,

01:19:52.200 who was there. Oh, so awful. Anguished cries where he exclaimed, oh my God, he's my best friend.

01:19:58.100 He's my brother, before hysterically shouting, I can't do this as Austin lay dying. Oh, that's so

01:20:04.220 awful. As the footage was played in court on Friday, Metcalfe's sister, I'm sorry, as the

01:20:10.000 footage was played in court on Friday, Metcalfe's killer, Carmelo Anthony, sat motionless. Hunter

01:20:15.900 was not in the courtroom at the time. What an authentic, real, awful statement. I can't do this.

01:20:25.020 That really resonates. When something's happening to you that's truly awful and the loss of a loved

01:20:30.860 one in particular, I can't do this, right? It's like, no. That's your instinct to say when

01:20:37.200 something awful happens to someone you deeply love. Like, it's a no. No. No. I reject it. And yet

01:20:42.680 the reality becomes clear. The knife was shown in court. Photographs were shown to the jurors

01:20:49.280 depicting a knife with a black blade and a silver handle. Blood could be seen running down the

01:20:55.120 weapon. Obviously, this is a photograph, which investigators suggested may have been affected

01:20:59.420 by the rain falling that afternoon.

01:21:02.400 Prosecutors later displayed the knife itself in court.

01:21:05.540 Anthony, who wore a Navy suit with a white shirt

01:21:08.120 to court today, remained motionless,

01:21:09.860 staring straight ahead as the evidence

01:21:11.560 was presented to the jury.

01:21:14.020 It's a very tough haul for him.

01:21:15.700 I really think they should have worked on a plea.

01:21:18.040 I don't see a good outcome coming his way.

01:21:21.400 I don't know.

01:21:22.640 This is one of the mysteries about this case

01:21:24.440 and why it's interesting is what makes,

01:21:26.720 again, what is reportedly, we don't know,

01:21:29.260 but reportedly otherwise a good kid stab another good kid in the heart over a dispute about who

01:21:39.080 can stand under which tent. I mean, when I first heard that story, I just assumed he came from a

01:21:45.800 broken family or he had some sort of abuse in his life or something to create someone with a hair

01:21:51.320 trigger and like a very disproportionate sense of, you know, quote, justice. That hasn't really

01:21:59.800 been the reporting on him. And I don't know. It's one of the really most disturbing things about

01:22:05.200 this because you'd really like to think that our society has an order to it and that other than a

01:22:10.440 crazy person, your average kid will obey the order where we don't stab each other in the heart

01:22:17.040 over being told you have to leave this tent. 0.99

01:22:20.660 Could be diminishing, could be insulting,

01:22:23.740 could make you feel, why is he sending me out of here?

01:22:26.540 I get all that.

01:22:27.640 It's kind of like a road rage incident.

01:22:29.360 You feel something's been personalized

01:22:31.680 where someone's done something to you.

01:22:33.820 You can't risk somebody's life.

01:22:35.780 You can't take somebody's life.

01:22:38.140 I wanna know more about Carmelo Anthony.

01:22:41.000 That's where I am.

01:22:41.980 Okay, coming up next, we turn the page

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01:26:46.580 Joining me now for the first time on The MK Show is James Patterson,

01:26:49.920 truly one of the best-selling authors of all time.

01:26:52.080 He's had more than 100 New York Times bestselling novels.

01:26:56.360 He has sold more than 400 million books across the globe.

01:27:02.240 That's just, it's insane.

01:27:04.520 His work ranges from his iconic thriller novels to nonfiction investigative books to young adult series.

01:27:11.140 His latest book is an action thriller centered on America's national security just in time for our 250th anniversary.

01:27:18.300 and his co-author is equally interesting.

01:27:22.800 It's Matt Eversman, a legend in his own right.

01:27:26.420 Matt is a decorated U.S. Army First Sergeant

01:27:28.900 best known for his leadership

01:27:30.620 during the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu,

01:27:33.880 which was chronicled in the hit film, Black Hawk Down.

01:27:37.620 Their new novel, Rockets Red Glare,

01:27:40.440 is out June 8th and available for pre-order right now.

01:27:44.980 James, Matt, welcome to the show.

01:27:46.880 Great to have you.

01:27:47.380 Thank you. Good to be had.

01:27:50.000 Thanks for having us. This is awesome.

01:27:53.180 Oh, the pleasure's all mine.

01:27:54.800 All right, James, let me start with you, because I learned a lot about you in preparation for today that I did not know.

01:28:00.180 Like, your father, here's the line, grew up in a poor house in Newburgh, New York.

01:28:06.040 What does that mean?

01:28:07.180 What does that mean?

01:28:08.900 Literally, it was like, in Newburgh, they had a place where, essentially, people who were homeless would be.

01:28:16.320 And his mother, my grandmother, who I never met, she was a child woman.

01:28:22.980 So she cleaned the bathrooms and the kitchen, and they got a room in the basement.

01:28:29.240 And my father's a bright guy, and he got an orphan, because his father had disappeared, orphan scholarship.

01:28:36.200 And, yeah, so that's what the pokey was, the poor house.

01:28:39.520 Wow.

01:28:40.380 So you came from nothing in terms of money or connections.

01:28:43.400 Yeah, but that has no real effect.

01:28:44.700 I mean, I can't take any kudos for that. 0.95

01:28:46.540 The thing about my grandmother on my mother's side and my mother is they were the ones that

01:28:51.460 really, you know, my grandmother was, you can do anything.

01:28:55.100 She said, you're not going to play in the NBA. 1.00

01:28:57.160 So forget about that stupid dream. 0.99

01:28:58.760 But because you can't go to your left that well, but but anything else you can do, including 1.00

01:29:03.380 writing books.

01:29:04.840 But you weren't a writer up until like, well, it sounds like you graduated.

01:29:08.520 You're around 17, 18.

01:29:10.120 You were an avid reader and then went to work at a psychiatric hospital.

01:29:14.700 I did. I worked at McLean Hospital, still up there in Belmont, Mass. It was a terrific place to grow up. I wasn't a big reader when I went there. I was a good student in high school and college or whatever. And then I had a lot of free time. I worked a lot of nights. I started reading, reading, reading and fell in love with it and fell in love with writing. I just started scribbling all these stories and I loved it.

01:29:38.100 And that's why I say, you know, to this day, I don't work for a living.

01:29:41.640 I play for a living because I love writing stories.

01:29:45.700 Yeah.

01:29:45.960 And that's why you do it so well.

01:29:47.220 Also, fun fact, at the psychiatric hospital, you met a man by the name of James Taylor.

01:29:51.880 You did.

01:29:52.320 Pre-fame, singing like fire and rain in the cafeteria.

01:29:56.540 He had just written that one.

01:29:57.600 He was a patient there, as was his brother Liv and his sister Kate.

01:30:02.140 They were all patients.

01:30:03.160 um and james obviously james was having a different kinds of problems and uh but but

01:30:10.800 and he wasn't famous at that point and he did sing in the cafeteria the small cafeteria he

01:30:16.620 would sing fire and rain and sweet baby james and these songs which at that point had not been

01:30:21.100 released and then a year later about a year and a half later he got out and he got picked up by

01:30:27.260 the Beatles label Apple and and they released that first album which became a monster hit

01:30:32.240 um yeah but it was were you just flabbergasted that the guy who used to sing in the psychiatric

01:30:37.720 hospital turned out to be this guy James Taylor yeah once again don't think of it as like some

01:30:42.880 crazy house like one flew over the cuckoo's nest it was it was mainly just a lot of people having

01:30:47.740 problems and uh you know and I and I grew up there a lot I you know once again Newberg is a little

01:30:54.340 provincial and all of a sudden I'm dealing with people from all over the

01:30:57.680 world, some rich ones, some, you know,

01:31:00.460 an interesting folks. And, and, and also I, you know, as I said,

01:31:04.320 I just started writing a lot of short stories.

01:31:07.120 Yep. And that's what you have to do to become a great writer. Right, right.

01:31:10.800 And more writing. Yeah. Well, it helps.

01:31:12.800 Before I bring Matt in one other point you had a stint in advertising.

01:31:19.680 Yeah, but I've been clean for over 30 years. Come on, Megan, give me a break.

01:31:22.760 but we got to talk about it because james taylor was not the only one who could do something with

01:31:27.920 music people you know the jingle you just didn't know you had james patterson to thank for it

01:31:34.180 i'm a toys here it is that 51 here it is

01:31:37.620 i don't want to grow up i'm toys russ kid they got a million toys at toys russ that i can play with

01:31:43.300 i don't want to grow up i'm a toys russ kid they got the best for so much us you'll really flip

01:31:49.320 your lid from bikes to trains to video games it's the biggest toy store there is gee whiz

01:31:56.040 i don't want to grow up because baby if i did i couldn't be a toys r us kid once a toys r us kid

01:32:03.080 always a toys r us kid do i thank you or condemn you no i think thank that's it's a nice song it's

01:32:11.880 you know buying kids up to a point toys is a good thing my friend linda kaplan wrote that wrote the

01:32:17.040 song. Great, wonderful songwriter. And it was fun. It was fun to do. Wow. And then as if that 1.00

01:32:24.760 wasn't enough success, you moved on and accomplished all I said and more in the writing film. And

01:32:29.780 you're probably feeling really good about yourself until you met Matt and saw his resume

01:32:33.820 as portrayed, as I said, in the book and then film Black Hawk Down, in which we pulled a clip

01:32:43.840 played by Josh Hartnett.

01:32:47.960 He's not as good looking as Matt, I might point out.

01:32:51.300 Very clearly.

01:32:52.400 I'm glad you pointed it out.

01:32:54.500 Here is the clip in which it's your goodbye speech

01:32:58.040 to your fallen comrade, Corporal Smith.

01:33:00.360 Let's watch Sat 58.

01:33:02.460 You know, a friend of mine asked me before I got here,

01:33:05.240 just when we were all shipping out,

01:33:07.720 he asked me,

01:33:10.180 why are you going to fight somebody else's war?

01:33:13.840 What do y'all think, you're heroes?

01:33:19.200 I didn't know what to say at the time, but...

01:33:22.100 If you asked me again, I'd say no.

01:33:29.580 I'd say there's no way in hell.

01:33:32.660 Because nobody has to be a hero.

01:33:39.900 It just sometimes turns out that way.

01:33:43.840 I'm going to talk to your mom and pop when I get home, okay?

01:34:03.140 Amazing.

01:34:03.820 They do not let just anybody become a U.S. Army Ranger.

01:34:07.780 That is tough stuff.

01:34:09.480 And never mind, go through what you guys went through.

01:34:11.780 And Black Hawk Down, thank you for your service.

01:34:13.240 and for everything you've done for the country.

01:34:15.760 Well, Megan, thank you.

01:34:16.640 Very kind of you to say

01:34:17.640 and appreciate you having us on today.

01:34:20.540 Of course, of course.

01:34:21.540 So not only, I mean, it's great.

01:34:23.140 Like James sold 400 million books,

01:34:24.520 but you have the Bronze Star Medal with Valor

01:34:26.640 and the Combat Infantry Man's Badge,

01:34:29.740 Army Service Ribbon, National Defense Service Ribbon,

01:34:31.980 eight Army Achievement Medals,

01:34:33.740 four Army Commendation Medals and more.

01:34:35.880 You've also sold a bunch of books successfully

01:34:38.180 in addition to your military service.

01:34:40.000 And now, this is perfect.

01:34:41.460 All that background sets up perfectly why the two of you decided to coordinate on this

01:34:45.880 rocket's red glare just in time for the 4th of July.

01:34:49.900 So, Matt, tell me why.

01:34:50.940 What is this?

01:34:51.520 Why should people be reading this as we go to the July 4th holiday?

01:34:54.260 You know, it's a great segue into this, you know, it's celebration of the 250th anniversary

01:34:59.640 of this great, unbelievably brilliant country of ours.

01:35:03.760 And, you know, this is a fun way, truly, I think, to to kind of get in that spirit.

01:35:08.580 When I say fun, listen, it's an action thriller and it's about, you know, a really talented group of men and women that that rise to the occasion to protect us on our own shores.

01:35:17.660 And that, I think, just the theme of the patriotism and the valor and, of course, the intrigue all rise into a good beach read.

01:35:28.280 But it's fun. And I think it does support this notion, again, of men and women that serve our country so bravely and admirably, literally any chance they get.

01:35:39.640 And I think that's sort of in a nutshell how it plays out for us.

01:35:43.060 James, one of the things that's good about it is it happens here on our shores and the military has to defend us against a nefarious enemy who's attacking us in various ways and across various cities.

01:35:56.660 And so that's the thing that America is really dread. Right. Like the thought that what what came across the border? Do we know exactly who's here? What's going on with the potholes? Like what? How could we be attacked in the homeland in a way that doesn't make those oceans feel like the comfortable cushion that we think they are?

01:36:13.220 Yeah. And also, I mean, like what's going on right now, you create enemies. And this is tricky. I mean, that's what happened with 9-11. We do things and sometimes there's payback in a big way. And that's something we have to protect ourselves against that, for sure.

01:36:35.020 in the book one of the themes uh that comes out and this is i don't know you tell me matt if this

01:36:40.980 is like ripped from the headlines but there's a presidential campaign there's secret service

01:36:46.340 who come under attack and i mean there's just been so much of that like over the past couple

01:36:52.320 of years with trump and the repeated assassination attempts and secret service in the news like

01:36:56.500 seemingly every other week do you guys do you pay attention to that when you're writing books

01:37:00.360 like this? Or how does that work into your thought process? If I could just jump in on that, I will

01:37:05.520 tell you, this has been a long time in the making in the writing. And a lot of this, believe it or

01:37:12.000 not, actually was kicked around and jotted down years before this current administration. So

01:37:20.100 interestingly enough, though, what it just points out is, you know, every one of these stories

01:37:26.000 starts with a what if. And for somebody to say like, oh, that could never happen, you know,

01:37:29.800 fill in the blank, whatever it is, it's, I'm here to tell you, it actually will. People said,

01:37:35.040 you know, Black Hawk Down, that event on October 3rd and 4th, 1993 will never happen again,

01:37:40.140 anomaly. And yet it does happen. You know, combat is very ugly and it's very real.

01:37:46.360 These things do happen. So the nutshell of it, to answer your question, I think is,

01:37:51.460 this covers Cold War stuff. This is GWAT stuff. This is irregular warfare stuff. And anyone that

01:37:56.500 says it couldn't happen is delusional literally and fooling themselves so you know that's that's

01:38:02.120 kind of the the the throwback answer is that if you can think it it really kind of because in

01:38:06.680 real life that's what our enemies do like if they can think it don't do it well and i don't know i

01:38:13.140 feel like one of the things like there there's some i don't give anything away but there's like

01:38:16.780 some stop top lawmakers who shall we say become very endangered um it does make you wonder how

01:38:23.740 prepared we would be god forbid there were an attack on the homeland matt right like it raises

01:38:29.120 natural questions because i my own feeling is less than we'd like to be absolutely you know megan if

01:38:37.280 you and i don't think you can't you cannot we cannot protect this country honestly i mean we

01:38:42.780 can react and we can we can do the best we can and we are you know you you read a little segment

01:38:47.840 before about a boy killing another boy and stabbing him in the heart. And we are in that

01:38:54.700 period of anything goes. We're also where I think more than ever, there are people who don't care

01:39:02.760 if they live or die. They just don't care that much. They've gotten to that point in their lives.

01:39:08.020 And that makes it just more dangerous than it's I think that it's ever been in a lot of ways.

01:39:12.460 But definitely, as Matt said, if you can think it, somebody's capable of doing it.

01:39:20.300 There was, you know, even here in New York City, there was, I'm not in New York, but near, that woman fell through the manhole a couple of weeks ago.

01:39:28.120 It was awful.

01:39:28.920 Yeah.

01:39:29.320 And then across, in another country, there was a disturbing video.

01:39:32.700 Weirdly, I knew her.

01:39:33.340 In China, I can't remember.

01:39:34.160 Isn't that weird?

01:39:35.160 What? 1.00

01:39:35.340 I knew that woman. 1.00

01:39:36.380 How? 1.00

01:39:36.660 She's right up here in Westchester.

01:39:38.140 Yeah, she was.

01:39:39.480 Bizarre.

01:39:39.980 I'm sorry, but go ahead.

01:39:40.980 Oh.

01:39:41.700 Yeah.

01:39:41.920 No, no, it was just so disturbing. This poor woman just stepped out of her car and fell into an open manhole, which should never be there, but was. And then we saw, I saw video on the internet. It was overseas. It was in some Asian country. I think it might have been in China, but somebody who's walking along and steps on the manhole and like that goes down. And it does make you think about vulnerabilities. Like there are a lot of them that we don't think about every day, but let's face it.

01:40:06.980 usually the people who are thinking about him aren't really the top army rangers it's like

01:40:11.200 bureaucrats you know who are underpaid and overworked and the next thing you know maybe

01:40:18.160 because of what we let happen at the border or some other clever means the bad guys are here

01:40:23.340 and we're really vulnerable especially if we're fighting overseas doing something we shouldn't

01:40:27.940 be doing in my view yeah yeah yeah yeah and megan if i could just throw something really quick into

01:40:34.140 that comment and all you're saying absolutely correct big countries so much to protect impossible

01:40:39.460 even but if there's good news in it and this in real life we have got such a force of stout

01:40:47.880 tough American men and women that maybe they're reacting but they'll do a job for us as we've

01:40:54.460 seen in real life real time and witnessed on real battlefields and I think in this book again

01:41:00.120 And, you know, you do get to see this, hey, man, when you're on the road,

01:41:04.960 good people, everyday people can stand up.

01:41:09.580 Yeah.

01:41:10.100 I mean, the other thing, Megan, and this is sort of cornball, but it's true.

01:41:16.700 To protect against a lot of this stuff, to some extent,

01:41:20.080 we have to start rowing in the same direction better than we have been.

01:41:24.440 Because the way it's working right now, we're rowing in 20 different directions.

01:41:29.580 and the boat just spins and it doesn't that doesn't really help because it doesn't protect

01:41:34.000 us it doesn't do anything that we like to just waste a lot of money we looked this up just because

01:41:39.840 you guys are coming on about american pride um and this is a headline in the new york post just

01:41:45.420 two days ago fewer than one in five democrats feel proud to be american ahead of the birthday

01:41:51.620 the 250th compared to two and three republicans but that's still lower for republicans than it's

01:41:56.760 been. 68 percent said they felt proud of the country. It used to be much, much higher on both

01:42:02.600 sides. But this decrease in national pride is depressing, James Patterson. What are we supposed

01:42:08.580 to do about that? We just need somehow we need leadership. I don't just mean president, but

01:42:16.080 just in general, where more people are sort of nodding their head as opposed to shaking their

01:42:20.960 And that's hopefully will be one of the things about this country we've been pretty good about doing is when things sort of going the wrong way, we tend to have it to kind of rebalance things a little bit.

01:42:36.140 And I don't mean Republican versus Democrat as much as just working together a little bit better than we have been.

01:42:43.100 if you know maybe it starts with rockets red glare maybe people read rockets red glare by

01:42:50.440 james patterson and matt eversman and say you know what this has been a great thriller

01:42:54.220 by guys who have maintained mostly non-partisan leanings and i'm inspired i'm inspired to think

01:43:00.580 about how we protect ourselves against outside enemies as opposed to creating enemies from within

01:43:05.940 with of our fellow countrymen the other thing is that we we um

01:43:12.480 we can we can go and escape for a few hours that's okay uh there's so much yes toxicity

01:43:21.000 and we just we can't do that all day you know it's like you know this is it's escape reading

01:43:27.300 uh we're going to get a good result the good guys hopefully are going to win uh within reason good

01:43:34.260 guys and women um yeah and that's that's i mean that's one of the things obviously we want to do

01:43:38.940 And the thing with the collaborations with me, I always try to, when the collaborations, whether it's Dolly Parton or Viola Davis, somebody who's going to bring the authenticity to the kinds of stories that I like to get involved in.

01:43:52.080 And Matt knows this.

01:43:54.160 You know, the story is somewhat over the top.

01:43:57.940 But if something happened, this is the way it would happen.

01:44:01.480 This is the way Rangers would act.

01:44:03.120 This is the way the Secret Service would act.

01:44:05.840 No, you can tell.

01:44:06.620 I mean, there's a, this is from the prologue, Sergeant Jeff Carnes sat paralyzed in the passenger seat of the smoldering Humvee, slowly regaining consciousness after the concussion of the RPG.

01:44:17.360 And we go on from there, who he sees about to grenade him, only to see that guy instantaneously get a bullet in his head.

01:44:24.460 Like, you've, you've actually lived this.

01:44:26.620 This is like, some of these memories are from your actual experiences, Matt.

01:44:31.560 You know, one night we were all out to dinner.

01:44:33.540 let matt talk no quick quick man this is a matt story though we were out to dinner

01:44:40.760 i'm trying to get the star winner in here

01:44:45.440 go ahead jim no go no you go matt um i forgot what i was going to say

01:44:52.000 this is all all right james patterson back to you so they did matt at the dinner table and i said

01:44:59.260 matt you know because i haven't been in war how close and he reached across the table he said

01:45:04.280 this close in terms of of of a combatant in terms of in terms of what what's really happening

01:45:11.360 in in wartime when it comes to you know mano a mano uh combat yeah he he knows of what he speaks

01:45:19.500 he's this close yeah and has managed to put pen to paper and bring it to all of us in rockets

01:45:24.300 red glare no it's okay we forgive you you're james patterson you can do what you want

01:45:28.240 And Matt Eversman, you got to read it, read it, get it, pre-order it right now,

01:45:31.420 and then you'll have it.

01:45:32.340 And if you wait too long, I'm telling you, these booksellers, they sell out.

01:45:35.680 So don't let that happen.

01:45:36.620 You order it today and you'll be reading it in time for Father's Day,

01:45:39.700 in time for the 4th of July, 250th, and you won't be sorry you did.

01:45:42.580 Guys, thank you both so much.

01:45:43.960 Matt, again, thanks for your service.

01:45:45.420 Thank you, Megan.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 05, 2026

Shady California Vote Counting, and Dems' Platner Hypocrisy, with Sohrab Ahmari and Sean Davis, Plus James Patterson on Patriotism ｜ Ep. 1333

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