The California primary results are in, and the bad ones keep coming in fast and furious. Megyn gives her take on the latest updates, and takes a deep dive into where things stand for the two remaining candidates in the race. Plus, a look at the massive mail-in vote from Tuesday s primary, and why you don t get to vote.
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00:01:00.780Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:12.480Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.
00:01:16.300The weekend is near, but the news is not slowing down.
00:01:19.080except in California, where the vote count from Tuesday's primaries isn't anywhere close
00:01:23.360to wrapping up. This is ridiculous. The only thing that has changed is that the numbers keep getting
00:01:30.780worse for Republicans, and somehow the number of votes still outstanding to be counted continues
00:01:39.940to go up. I guess maybe this is because they keep receiving imaginary new ballots. I mean,
00:01:46.780actual new ballots. I don't know. Today's Friday. So I would presume that the ballot inflow should
00:01:55.040be kind of over since everyone there should be mailing it for the most part from California to
00:02:01.400California. And they had to be postmarked by Tuesday. But yeah, the updates are uniformly
00:02:07.700bad for Spencer Pratt and Steve Hilton. What a shock. And no one's going to trust this. No one
00:02:14.540is going to trust this outcome if those two are eliminated from the general election,
00:02:19.440given the leads that we've seen. I'm going to, when the panel's here, yesterday we didn't get
00:02:23.840to it with Maureen. Today I'm going to get to the actual numbers as we know them so far and get on
00:02:28.520the record as we go into the weekend with where we think the vote is. If you look at the betting
00:02:32.460markets, and they don't know anything more than we do, I mean, well, generally they don't,
00:02:37.140they're all now voting against Spencer Pratt and Steve Hilton, even making it into the top two.
00:02:42.020They don't believe at all that Californians are going to let that happen in one way, shape or form.
00:02:48.200So what we're seeing is the Republicans do well on the day of.
00:02:52.060And then we slowly watch their leads evaporate as the massive mail in vote from more left leaning districts gets tabulated.
00:03:00.500That's that's such a nice insurance policy, isn't it?
00:03:04.300Such a nice insurance policy. Don't you worry if you don't make it in the day of vote.
00:03:08.400We got you covered. We got you. I mean, we saw that here in Connecticut.
00:03:12.020Where that we there was film of these Democrat operatives literally stuffing mailboxes full of ballots that they'd managed to get their hands on to try to get that in there.
00:03:24.520Let's shove it in there. And it just undermines the faith in integrity of elections to allow this kind of voting.
00:03:34.140I don't care how convenient you want to make it for people. Do we really want to make it that convenient?
00:03:38.940I mean, these are lazy ass people. If they can't get off their fat asses and get to election polling stations on election day, then we don't want you. OK, we don't want it. We don't want your vote. Who gives a shit about you? You're too lazy. You're too busy. Sure. To make it down to the polling station on election day, then get out. Good. Goodbye. You don't get to vote. That's how it always has been.
00:03:58.880why wasn't that system okay? Because we needed to widen the field so we could get people too
00:04:04.940lazy to get down there to have their ballot counted. I mean, it's just absurd. If you don't
00:04:11.860prioritize the vote, your vote shouldn't be prioritized. So what we know today is that
00:04:17.160Decision Desk is projecting the former California attorney general and HHS secretary under
00:04:22.600Biden, Javier Becerra, is moving on to the general election. So Becerra, who was in no man's land
00:04:32.000in this entire election until Swalwell bid it and then rocketed up, is now secure. His place is
00:04:40.820secure. Republican Steve Hilton, who's been leading the pack from the start, less certain.
00:04:46.420Yeah, it turns out that the far left loser, Tom Steyer, never seen a tranny, I don't want to throw my arms around or allow into girl sports, is surging.
00:04:57.720Oh, it's so convenient for Tom Steyer and his billions.
00:05:02.420Technically, right now, Steve Hilton still leads the vote total.
00:05:06.920But the betting markets, they have these two hovering around 50 percent each.
00:05:11.660They have Steyer slightly above Steve Hilton last we looked, but only by a couple points.
00:05:19.380And these things are even worse if you look in Los Angeles.
00:05:23.700Incumbent mayor, Karen Bass, she's made it.
00:05:57.100Kalshi betting that Nithya Rahman will make it over Bass.
00:06:02.700They say she's got about an 80 percent chance to be the candidate to take on Karen Bass.
00:06:06.340At noon on the day after the election, it was Pratt who had a 65 percent plus chance to prevail.
00:06:13.660But of course, what was happening again, the betting markets, it's not the same as a poll.
00:06:16.900It's like how people are reading the data so far.
00:06:19.360But they're seeing what we're seeing, that it's an incredibly slow vote count and that miraculously they all seem to be going for the most outlandish, outrageous, unlikable Democrats possible.
00:06:31.160I mean, just no one's going to have confidence in these results if they squeeze out, especially
00:06:34.480in the gubernatorial race, the guy who's been in number one all along and now doesn't even
00:06:48.780I have no faith in these California Democrat politicians and their machines not to try
00:06:53.420to cheat and to exploit that mail-in balloting.
00:06:56.400and i have only to await the forensic examination that i'm sure trump is going to rain down on them
00:07:03.460because he's already talking about it and we have steve hilton begging the trump administration to
00:07:08.080step in to do something unfortunately votes like this are generally states provinces i mean it's
00:07:14.380not generally considered uh up to the federal government and so i query how much they can
00:07:20.060actually do. Not everything is going the Democrats way, however, today. Just take a look at what's
00:07:26.500going on in Maine. So this is one of those seats that has become a favorite for Democrats to pick
00:07:34.440up. Like many of these political prognosticators think that this guy Graham Plattner can do it.
00:07:40.760He's definitely the heavy favorite to win the Democrat Senate primary on Tuesday
00:07:44.460because the Maine governor dropped out.
00:07:48.500She ran out of money and he was too formidable a candidate.
00:07:51.120I mean, she's still on the ballot and she's kind of jumping up and down saying,
00:07:54.140hey, yo, remember, I'm still on the ballot as Plattner seems to be having some major campaign problems.
00:08:00.420And the polls currently show him with a slight lead over Republican incumbent longtime Maine senator Susan Collins in this general election.
00:08:08.960Well, you know, politics is going to do what politics is going to do.
00:08:13.520And he's taken it on the chin these days. He's been leading her even though he has a Nazi tattoo. That's our world. The Democrats who ran for a year calling Trump a Nazi, calling everyone within Trump's orbit a Nazi.
00:08:30.780now they're like nazi tattoo it's not a big deal get over yourself
00:08:36.480i don't do we care about nazi stuff or don't we can someone shoot me a text or a memo so i know
00:08:44.600on team blue he's also had many incendiary posts online the democrats are like it was a long time
00:08:51.580like literally 2019 so it's like we're not talking like 2000 26 years talking about like
00:09:00.020five, six years ago. It's not that long, but you do you, Democrat Party.
00:09:06.360Then we told you about his sexting scandal that emerged over the weekend, where he was accused
00:09:12.440by his wife of sending sexually explicit messages to some reportedly six women while he was married.
00:09:22.000Again, he only got married in 2023. This is not ancient history. And it also emerged that he was
00:09:29.180using a messaging app called Kik, which is known predominantly for its popularity among
00:09:35.780child predators. Not to give any sickos any ideas, but we don't have any of those listening
00:09:41.400to this show. But that's kind of where you go if you want to exploit a child. And he's been on
00:09:46.040there. He registered. He had an account that was active for years. Okay. So now the latest
00:09:50.940iteration is last night, the New York Times dropping a piece detailing the accounts of
00:09:55.640three women who were romantically involved with Plattner before he got married,
00:10:00.760with the Times describing their relationships as volatile and toxic, and including examples of
00:10:06.840physical altercations. An anonymous woman who had a long-distance relationship with Plattner
00:10:12.060as recently as 2016 said he drank heavily and womanized, telling the Times she felt like,
00:10:17.780quote, collateral damage to the world that is his. And the most serious allegation coming from
00:10:25.100Lindsay Fifield, a 20-year-old conservative, sorry, 40-year-old conservative who has worked
00:10:31.680on Republican campaigns. Now, she's dated Plattner from around 2013 to 2015, and she told the Times
00:10:41.500that he resurfaced, or that his resurfaced online posts, which diminish women and many other groups,
00:10:48.400reminded me, she wrote, of just how much he hated women. While she confirmed that Plattner
00:10:54.440never hit or punched her. It seems like all these women so far are saying that, that he didn't go
00:11:02.120that far. She said the Senate candidate would regularly grab her by the shoulders hard enough
00:11:06.720to leave marks and on one occasion yanked her out of a car by her wrist after an argument. Another
00:11:12.980time she says he shoved her behind a door against her will, like physically, and then locked the
00:11:18.960door and kept her in there against her will until she could, quote, calm down. That was his
00:11:23.680instruction. Technically, that would be a kidnapping. Doesn't sound like she's wanting
00:11:28.620to press charges so much as just tell people that this is not a stable person who's running for a
00:11:34.720Senate seat. And in a stunning turn of events, now today, Lindsay on X has turned on the New York
00:11:42.160Times, with whom she entrusted her story, saying the paper left out key parts of it. She issued a
00:11:50.760post that reads in part, quote, the Times failed to include any mention that I did confide in
00:11:56.580multiple friends through the years that Graham had been abusive long before he was running for
00:12:01.880office. Those friends confirm they told the Times so. It dawned on me that this really was a setup
00:12:09.080all along, meaning by the Times. The journalists I trusted who convinced me to share a story I never
00:12:14.640wanted to tell, methodically delayed and twisted this into a gift to the Plattner campaign,
00:12:22.820violating the trust of his victims, shattering the trust I placed in them with the most
00:12:27.100vulnerable story of my life, unquote. So she's saying that this was essentially a whitewash by
00:12:34.380the times, which felt the need to get on record with the story, but to not really go guns a-blazing
00:12:41.440the way they might say if your last name were like Donald Trump or something like that.
00:12:48.060Lindsay also writing on X this morning that she's connected to two women
00:12:50.960who claim Plattner is responsible for their sexual abuse.
00:12:56.140Abuse is the word, writing, quote, we're deciding what to do next.
00:13:00.940So there could be another shoe to drop here.
00:13:03.360The Plattner campaign vehemently denying, and Plattner himself,
00:13:06.860that he ever engaged in any violent act against any woman
00:13:11.720and sort of pushing the story under the same banner
00:15:54.320But the reason that they can't call it for Hilton is they say of the amount that's outstanding, they can see where they're waiting for votes from or where they believe they are, are heavily Democratic, very blue areas.
00:16:06.320So they're just presuming that these will be Becerra, Steyer, or possibly even Katie Porter votes, but that they won't be votes for Steve Hilton.
00:16:15.560They won't know until they actually get them.
00:16:17.380vote hub reporting that Steyer improved from a 20% to a 38% chance. And tonight's vote hub
00:16:25.040win cast update driven by ballots in key counties shifting toward him and confirmation of high
00:16:29.680outstanding turnout in urban areas. Hilton, they say still has a slight edge now tracking to defeat
00:16:38.180Steyer by 0.6%. This is very interesting to me because no matter what they're showing in terms
00:16:48.380of outstanding counties, Sean Davis, Hilton has been above Steyer in every poll, typically by
00:16:58.320high single digits, low double digits since Steyer joined the race that Hilton was already in.
00:17:04.800And so that would account for deep blue pockets of California and the deep red and so on, even with likely voter polls.
00:17:14.980So that should factor in who's likely to actually get a ballot in on Election Day or in the week thereafter that we have to wait.
00:17:21.880I don't trust this. I don't trust this at all.
00:17:24.480And that's not even counting what's happening in the L.A. mayor race, which I'll get to in a second.
00:17:29.640But let's just start on the gubernatorial race.
00:17:32.120Yeah, it's kind of a fascinating little system they've set up here where you've got three ways to vote.
00:17:38.160You can go, you know, vote in a voting location, you know, pull the lever, push the button, whatever you want to do.
00:17:46.220So when you vote by mail, the post office gets your ballot and they postmark it.
00:17:49.880Or you can do this amazing new invention called the vote drop box where it doesn't get postmarked.
00:17:56.660You just put your vote in there, and they'll come and collect your votes, and then they add them all together, and then ta-da, you have all the votes you need.
00:18:04.180And what I find fascinating about this system is that in the first one where you vote in person, we know when that vote was made.
00:18:11.260When you put it in the mail, we know when it got put in the mail because it gets postmarked.
00:18:15.680But there's this magical new third category of votes that don't really have a date.
00:18:20.420And California law, by the way, says if if a ballot doesn't have a legible postmark, as long as, you know, they have a good faith reason to believe that it was cast in time, they have to count it.
00:18:31.700And so in this magical new California system, which is like totally safe and secure and not at all like designed to be rigged, you get counts on election night.
00:18:40.880So that tells you, hey, this this is how much votes this guy has.
00:18:44.980And then we have the system where there's no way to date a ballot, and they're going to collect ballots for weeks. And we're supposed to believe that that's somehow a credible, secure, like normal way to do elections. There is only one reason to design an election in this way, and it's to control the outcome. Like, I'm sorry if that makes people mad to hear, but nobody would create a system like this if they wanted people to have faith in results. They created a system like this because they wanted to be able to engineer results.
00:19:13.240That is exactly how this feels, Saurabh.
00:19:16.120And I have never been one to be like, it's all rigged.
00:19:32.160I mean, Steyer was not even really on the radar in this race.
00:19:36.760It really was Hilton and then Becerra after Swalwell fell apart.
00:19:41.780And they really want us to believe that now this unlikable, billionaire, tranny-loving, bizarre person whose final push was all about getting boys and girls sports something that has between 80 and 90 percent opposition in the United States, that he closed it on Steve Hilton in the final days to where Hilton's only ahead possibly by 0.06 percentage points over him.
00:20:14.920The first is I'm 100 percent with with you and Sean on the fact that we need to get back to a situation where election day, as the name goes, is a day, not an election week, not an election month, not an election season where, you know, there used to be this thing we did where we went to the ballot box on that day.
00:20:36.140for the most part, there were exceptions, I realized mail-in was a thing. But for the most
00:20:40.300part, most people voted on election day, and the outcome was known by that evening. Remember that
00:20:46.120it's also the norm across the developed world. Just recently, Britain had local elections,
00:20:52.380everything was known by the end of the day. So this whole like, multiple means of drop boxes
00:20:59.220and expanded mail categories, especially much of it is leftover from COVID, for example, in a
00:21:05.080crucial purple state like Pennsylvania infuriates me and I think creates this sense of distrust we
00:21:12.380all have where it's like the polls are going one way and then oh conveniently you know ballots
00:21:17.600start popping up however here's just one thing I would add to that which is the content we are in
00:21:22.840a context in which obviously the president the republican president is historically unpopular
00:21:29.720The he's plumbing depths of unpopularity that are unprecedented nationally and everything is nationalized so that and you're talking about Los Angeles, the city and you're talking about California, the state, which are overwhelmingly blue places.
00:21:45.140So I'm not, you know, look, I'm willing to I don't think I'm as skeptical of what the results are showing so far as you guys are.
00:21:52.980But the fact that even the question is being raised is a testament to why we need to stop this whole prolonged election season, election day, election night results.
00:22:04.740You know, I remember during 2020 was like I did tweet something and like Media Matters picked it up because I guess it was wrong thought at the time.
00:22:13.220But I was like, because I went to bed and Trump was ahead in Georgia.
00:22:16.860But then there was something about like a pipe that was broken.
00:22:30.340He should have admitted that he lost 2020.
00:22:32.220But it's that kind of thing that it's exactly like Sean said.
00:22:36.340It's designed to systematically soak this trust in the system.
00:22:40.320And I think we need to do a different way. And, you know, so like I don't blame people.
00:22:46.420I'm thinking about I agree with you and I totally take your point about it's California.
00:22:52.040You know, there it's full of Democrats. It's full of Democrats. There are tons of far left libs out there.
00:22:57.000So why would we be shocked that the mail in vote would favor Democrats?
00:23:01.180Even, you know, even if we were if we could prove that it was entirely legitimate, we shouldn't be surprised that it favors Democrats.
00:23:08.360However, it's almost like a cart, you know, before the horse or chicken and egg scenario, because it's like, is California universally represented by Democrats because it's filled with Democrats or because the Democrat machine will make sure that it's universally represented by Democrats?
00:23:25.940Like, I don't actually know the answer to that. I'm not sure I trust them. I mean, what we have today, and honestly, especially at the gubernatorial level, because I can accept that L.A. is probably I'm sure we can look it up, but it's got to be over 90 percent Democrat registered.
00:23:44.020It's probably just like New York, which went 90 percent about it was 87 percent for Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
00:23:52.600So I can accept that L.A. is predominantly blue, but the state has got 39 percent Republican, 39 percent.
00:24:00.460So like that actually should be reflected in the gubernatorial race.
00:24:04.760And right now we're being told that it hasn't shown up so far.
00:24:07.560I just like, OK. And what we're seeing right now, Sean, is Steve Hilton.
00:24:13.080is proposing, I think I said something for Trump, but it's actually Gavin Newsom
00:24:17.100to swoop in and help. He's proposing an emergency election count accelerator
00:24:21.900core to bring California election shambles to a swift conclusion. Here's what he writes.
00:24:27.680This is a campaign statement. California is the laughingstock of the nation when it comes to
00:24:32.800election reporting. We are the fourth largest economy in the world, home to Silicon Valley,
00:24:36.260some of the most advanced technology on earth, yet government bureaucrats need a month to count
00:24:41.120fewer than 10 million ballots. That's exactly the number that Florida does in one night. 10 million,
00:24:48.240same number. India counts 600 million in one day. I didn't know that. Wow. Hilton will call on
00:24:56.640Governor Newsom to immediately establish an emergency election support corps, deploying
00:25:01.780available state employees and rapid response support teams to counties facing significant
00:25:08.700ballot processing delays. I'm not sure if state employees is the answer, you know, to anything,
00:25:18.080but especially not this problem, Sean Davis. One other thing just to let you know. Yeah. Okay. A
00:25:25.440top DOJ official is, hold on. What am I reading here? I just want to make sure I know what I'm
00:25:32.980reporting. Protecting the integrity of California's elections is a top priority for my office.
00:25:38.700This is what the U.S. attorney is saying out there.
00:25:41.660California's election system has serious structural vulnerabilities.
00:25:46.020Universal vote-by-mail with no voter ID requirements creates conditions where fraud can go undetected and unpunished, eroding public confidence.
00:25:53.920Without commenting on any specific investigation, my office has multiple election fraud investigations underway in coordination with FBI Los Angeles.
00:26:01.340We will follow the evidence wherever it leads and prosecute any violations of federal law to the fullest extent.
00:26:05.800We're also working closely with Harmeet Dillon.
00:26:08.360She's the head of the Civil Rights Division nationally to conduct a comprehensive audit of California's voter rolls and so on.
00:26:15.300My office will not look the other way.
00:26:22.200And all that is in the wake of Trump tweeting out, I think yesterday, there's big cheating by the Democrats in California.
00:26:29.160Votes are all tied up, may not be in for weeks.
00:26:31.700Under investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office in L.A., why the vote counting delay, President DJT.
00:26:37.300So things are heating up a little there, Sean. I mean, it's possible if there's cheating underway, they won't get away with it this time.
00:26:44.380Yeah. What I find fascinating, by the way, is we're not talking about general election results here.
00:26:48.500We are talking about a primary. And so I don't think any of us is under any illusion about who is going to eventually win the general.
00:26:55.920It is a very blue state. The Democrats are going to win. Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt are spectacular candidates, but you can't overcome the math.
00:27:03.260But again, we're in a primary now. We're just trying to figure out who's going to go against who in the general election.
00:27:09.640And, you know, we're talking about processes which are just ridiculous on their face.
00:27:14.600California changed its primary rules to be what's called a jungle primary.
00:27:18.440It's not an actual primary where they're trying to figure out in this two party system, we're going to have a person from this party and a person from that party and they're going to face off.
00:27:26.700They changed it so that it's the two top vote-getters, and they changed it because they wanted to make sure that it was Democrats who are the only statewide candidates in California because it's such a blue state.
00:27:38.220And so you might ask yourself, well, why would they do that?
00:27:40.220Because a Democrat's going to win anyway.
00:27:42.120And the reason is when you have statewide races, when you have gubernatorial races, those drive turnout downstream and down the ticket.
00:27:49.640And when you have really, really close congressional representation where control of Congress might be decided by one or two votes, what you want to do if you are just wanting to get to a result is you want to make sure you're discouraging down-ballot voting of your opponent.
00:28:08.600You cook your primaries so that the only people at the top of the ticket are one party, and that creates massive down-ballot effects for the opposing party.
00:28:18.440And so it just, you know, California is, I know it's America. I know it's a very advanced economy. It is a third world banana republic when it comes to actual administration and justice and political offices.
00:28:33.860This is no way to run a state, but they're not actually interested in running a state.
00:28:37.900They're just interested in being in charge.
00:28:40.000And that's the sole reason we're even dealing with all this nonsense about mail-in ballots
00:28:44.500and month-long voting, is that the people in charge there actually have no interest
00:30:21.100So that means Nithya Raman is going to have to get another 30,000 votes here alone just to catch him, to catch Pratt or so.
00:30:34.520And then she's going to have to whatever if that makes them even, she's going to have to win whatever outstanding vote there is beyond beyond there.
00:30:41.880If that happens. I'm going to eat this packet live on the air, but that is not going to happen legitimately.
00:30:49.340so wrapped she is not there is no way nithya raman is like the all that also runs she all
00:30:54.060but collapsed after that debate how can this be so i don't i don't i don't think she can um but
00:31:00.080i'd love you know next i i don't have a i don't have a piece of paper but i have i have a nice
00:31:04.700leather shoe and i will i will i i think based on what we know so far yeah a picnic of unpleasant
00:31:11.640uh sort of thingsy thingsy a crow i'll hunt a crow uh and bring it to the show but um again
00:31:18.860You eat a crow and I'll eat a humble pie.
00:33:02.100Ron DeSantis tweeted this the other day.
00:33:04.200Florida processes more than 10 million votes
00:33:06.380in a matter of hours. California takes days or sometimes even weeks to count the votes.
00:33:11.760It is pathetic and it's corrosive to our civic culture. That's exactly right. 10 million votes
00:33:18.560in a matter of hours versus, I mean, weeks, stop it. So my crack team tells me that Trump
00:33:27.040got 30% of the vote in Los Angeles County last time around, which is pretty remarkable.
00:33:34.060Now, two things to factor in. That's Trump. And even though Spencer Pratt has some similarities with Trump, there's only one Trump. So I don't think we can just assume he's going to get 30 percent.
00:33:47.520On the other hand, on the other hand, the Democrats burned down L.A.
00:33:55.780So, you know, it's what you would think that they'd be less inclined to reelect Democrats, even though the first one to make it through is Karen Bass, the one who sat by while L.A. burned.
00:34:08.740Like you'd think if there was going to be one Democrat who would make it early, who they were like, OK, she should go through because we need at least one dem.
00:34:13.820It'd be this Nithya Raman, you know, like at least some accountability for Karen Bass.
00:34:46.600She's been re-elected there many, many times.
00:34:49.140She's this moderate Republican, and she's well-liked in Maine.
00:34:53.840So this time around, she's gotten a very interesting challenger.
00:34:58.640It appears that Graham Plattner will easily win this primary on the Dem side this coming Tuesday.
00:35:04.580But all these allegations are coming out against him in the meantime.
00:35:08.180And I don't know, I have complicated feelings about this, guys, because it's like, you hate to see, like, these late dropped allegations, especially about, like, someone's interpersonal relationships.
00:35:23.800Now, it's one thing, like, we found out about Doug Emhoff allegedly beating a woman.
00:39:43.660he was battered over the head with it at his confirmation hearing, Saurab. And now they're
00:39:48.480like, eh. Now, in fairness to them, those two women, neither of whom I believed, were alleging
00:39:55.860rape. Maybe you need to allege rape to get on their radar. That's not what they're accusing
00:40:02.040Plattner of. I'm not sure. It sounds like for a White House, a technical legal battery, physical
00:40:08.520touching against a woman's will and talking about rape as like a fun tool of control if
00:40:13.680somebody were to break into the house he would rape them not in a gay way he said not a sexual
00:40:17.820way according to her but in order to dominate and like torture somebody and okay whatever
00:40:23.560i guess that doesn't rate for white house probably rate for white house if he were the one on the
00:40:29.020receiving end of it but in any event your thoughts on the bigger question of like how do we handle
00:40:34.140these, you know, because you don't you don't want to turn into a Democrat just because it's a
00:40:40.140Democrat who's under fire here. Yeah. So I should I should lay some of my background for those of
00:40:46.060you who don't know. I so I was the op-ed editor of The New York Post when the Kavanaugh hearings
00:40:52.080happened. And I looked up what I wrote at the time. I think it's worth I wrote a column under
00:40:56.460my own byline whose headline was the drive to sink Kavanaugh is liberal totalitarianism. Right. So
00:41:03.480So that what happened to Kavanaugh, I've even described to the New Yorker or something once profiled me, I said that was my radicalizing experience where I was like, there's something wrong with how lopsided things are in the media and in the adjudication of especially these kinds of accusation cases.
00:41:20.800you might think well that was like several years ago that was nearly eight years ago but i i also
00:41:25.400basically was the first person to go on the record with a piece for a magazine i then co-founded
00:41:30.640called compact about the hegseth allegations during his hearings and the headline of the
00:41:35.400piece kind of gives away the gist it was smearing pete hegseth i spoke to like former comrades of
00:41:41.540his who said yes you know he drank a lot but these particular allegations um you know don't don't
00:41:47.660hold water. And I put that out there. So with that in mind, I did. So now I'm at Unheard. And
00:41:54.380we published this piece by Mike Tracy, who's just like a, an equal opportunity doubter of what you
00:42:02.060might call accusation culture. So the headline there is the hollow accusation campaign targeting
00:42:06.840Graham Plattner. So I feel like I'm earned my ability to say I think these accusations are
00:42:15.200very weak. A lot of them are these sort of very subjective standards. It's like it was
00:42:21.760emotionally wrenching. Really? A relationship in your 20s that was emotionally wrenching?
00:44:06.560And I don't want I would like to disarm the entire culture in which we created this sexually depraved culture in which the only values are individual autonomy, whatever you want to do.
00:44:19.020And after the fact, consent, adjudication.
00:44:23.820Lots of people have all sorts of altercations.
00:44:26.740You know, he said, she said, whatever.
00:44:29.380But because that, you know, now we need for politically to take someone down, whether they're on the left or the right, we're going to sort of say we're going to go back to your record in your 20s.
00:44:39.800Were you drunk? Did you raise your voice? Did she raise her voice? Whatever.
00:44:43.680And your life or your career is destroyed. So it's more important to me as a dad of a son to like disarm that entire culture, if possible, than to like play by the rules the left made, even though again, Sean is 100 percent right.
00:44:57.940This is the universe these people created.
00:45:05.080It's it's look if if these women were coming forward and, you know, saying he like like in the case of Kavanaugh, he raped me.
00:45:14.760I think we'd all be taking this a lot more seriously.
00:45:17.020But and with all due respect to the women who told their stories, including Lindsay, the question is whether we are now at the point where we are revamping difficult relationships under the banner of Me Too, you know, as opposed to like the Me Too movement was supposed to be.
00:45:34.640I know because I was there when it started, about workplace harassment that arrested a woman's
00:45:41.860career. You know, she wasn't allowed to move forward in her career unless she slept with
00:45:46.340the boss or someone who was her superior. That's what Harvey Weinstein was doing to women. That's
00:45:52.220what Les Moonves was doing to women. That is what Roger Ailes was accused of doing in a different
00:45:57.360way, although he, in my experience, did not punish people's career if you didn't sleep with him. He
00:46:00.940just kind of wanted you to sleep with him. That's kind of a different thing, a little. But in any
00:46:05.120event, this is more like we had a bad relationship and he was kind of a douche. I mean, that's,
00:46:12.780you know, I'm not sure if that's really where we want to take our politics, Sean. I was quoting
00:46:20.320when the Ken Paxton win happened last Tuesday, Heather McDonald, the great Heather McDonald,
00:46:26.100who has been saying for a long time now
00:48:46.900He does the single greatest Christopher Walken impression on Earth, but he's also a stand-up comedian.
00:48:51.620He did a bit that Graham Plattner took almost word for word, except Jay Moore at the end says, you know, I would do it, but not in a gay way.
00:48:59.820So, like, in this instance, it's Plattner trying to sound tough and cool and dominant, and he's just ripping off a line from a comedian, which I find just so embarrassing.
00:49:10.960I haven't seen anyone else discuss it, but I'm a big Jay Moore fan.
00:49:14.780And so when I read that New York Times article, I was like, this guy, what an idiot.
00:59:17.900But we've seen his playbook so many times, you know.
00:59:23.240And before I get you to respond, let me just play a little of Graham Plattner because he
00:59:28.280deserves to appear here a little. Sop to. This is him on Chris Hayes MS Now last night.
00:59:35.500There are some allegations in this piece that I just want to be kind of unequivocal about
00:59:39.440are simply not true. Anything alleging physicality, anything alleging that I knew what my tattoo was,
00:59:47.500these are the statements of someone who's politically motivated.
00:59:50.520in this piece there's a lot about my struggling not being a good boyfriend certainly self-medicating
00:59:56.940with alcohol and i've been very up front since the beginning of this campaign that that was a
01:00:01.640pretty dark period of my life after i come came back from my combat service and that's what that
01:00:06.420combat that's what that kind of life looks like and uh and so there are things in this that i
01:00:13.200absolutely uh will take responsibility for and have been speaking about openly for months now
01:00:19.380but those serious allegations are just not true you did not grab her by the wrist you did not put
01:00:24.840your hands on her shoulders you did not push her into a room that you closed the door on
01:00:28.680she's she's lying about that is what you're saying yes that is not true
01:00:33.480I don't think he helped himself there honestly like I don't there's no way she's lying about
01:00:43.100the tattoo Lindsay Fifield came forward and said we knew what that tattoo was she was sleeping with
01:00:48.840him for two years. You're going to tell me that like there was never pillow talk of, hey, what's
01:00:52.860that huge tat on your front left right peck? It looks kind of like this Nazi symbol. And she knew
01:01:02.040there's emails from her in the August before he came out that October and was forced to admit,
01:01:08.240okay, that's what it is with where she's like acknowledging that it's a totem, whatever. I
01:01:13.400don't even know what it is. That's not my thing, but I don't have tattoos and I didn't get one of
01:01:16.800a Nazi symbol, so I wouldn't know. In any event, there's proof that he knew it in her correspondence,
01:01:21.420or at least his lover knew it. And I don't believe his denial on that. Anyway, back to the
01:01:26.840principal question, Sareb, your thoughts on it. Yeah. So first of all, that footage from Senator
01:01:32.880Whitehouse's statements at the Kavanaugh hearings is just with such a throwback. It was pre-COVID
01:01:41.180it in 2019 or 2018. I can't remember exactly. And 1818. And it also brought back the classic line,
01:01:49.240I like beer. I like to drink beer from the from the justice himself. Like,
01:01:55.760what a thing we live through as a nation. But look, to go to the principle of it, I think there
01:02:04.620is deeper repair to be done in the culture, which I think Generation Z is actually grasping at,
01:02:11.380which is the sexual ethic that we, Gen Xers, millennials, et cetera, inherited from the
01:02:18.240boomers was not a healthy sexual ethic, right? And I think that work needs to be done. But in
01:02:24.480the absence of that, lots and lots of people who are damaged by the kind of relationship and sexual
01:02:29.900ethic that just says autonomy is all that matters and consent is the only barrier and you can if you
01:02:36.920gave consent at the time but then came to regret it you can relitigate that by ruining someone's
01:02:41.640life uh alleging this and that that all needs a sort of deep repair and that's the work of
01:02:47.560of our religious institutions it's the work of pastors and priests and so and and and rabbi and
01:02:53.000so on that is as a long-term uh project and i think that shouldn't be lost here that all
01:02:59.480Graham Plattner and his girlfriends, whatever the veracity of their various allegations, are all kind of thrown into this culture that we created over the we all collectively over the several decades.
01:03:11.420And I don't want to lose sight of that.
01:03:13.500We need to change that because otherwise the only way for people who feel like they're powerless to vindicate themselves because there aren't these larger support structures, family and formation of durable bonds between men and women and so on.
01:03:28.800The only way that you can vindicate yourself is through the kind of j'accuse, like I accuse you of harassment, of racism, of this and that. And that also works out in the workplace. I mean, these are broken. These are symptoms of a broken culture. But until then, I mean, yeah, I'm with you, Megan. More and more, I just think like we're used to this kind of thing. Sorry, it does feel political.
01:03:48.860I think it is relevant that that Miss Fifield is, you know, she works with the Independent Women's Forum, which is a think tank, by the way.
01:04:13.040I don't think she's making it up because of her politics.
01:04:14.840I mean, if her politics were such a deal breaker for her when it comes to, you know, her the men in her life, she wouldn't have been with this guy.
01:04:22.420Yeah. But also, I mean, I'm not sure he was a Democrat back then.
01:04:26.360Yeah. I don't know what he was back then.
01:04:27.660Yeah. But so the larger point, though, is, you know, I think I think that there's flaws in a lot of these allegations in so far as the Times is going out of its way to say, I think, in more than one instance or in different language that it couldn't independently corroborate them.
01:04:44.640It's possible that other accusers will come forward and that's part of the process.
01:04:48.980But what we've been we've seen so far, you know, my gut tells me it it's predictable.
01:04:55.260And I think he barring more, I think he'll he'll survive this.
01:05:00.300I mean, I have to say I feel bad for Lindsay because it sounds like she was told that there were going to be all these other accusers in there and then there weren't.
01:05:09.320and that she showed the Times her diary entries,
01:05:31.740And all you do say is it was not corroboratable,
01:05:34.620which is, you know, it's very annoying.
01:05:36.780And it does one does wonder whether the standard would have been a little lower had he been a Republican.
01:05:42.960I'm sorry that like we looked into these two particular reporters and I knew the names were familiar.
01:05:49.580Here's just what came to mind. It was written by Katie Gluick and Lisa Lehrer, L-E-R-E-R.
01:05:56.720Both are political reporters. This Lisa Lehrer in The New York Times in July of 2023.
01:06:03.400This is just one small thing. I'm not complaining. It's just a color.
01:06:06.780They were writing up something about my interview with Ron DeSantis at the time, and they write, Lisa Lehrer writes, Mr. DeSantis told the right leaning commentator, Megan, Megan Kelly, noting that Mr. Biden became a senator in 73, five years before DeSantis was born.
01:06:21.260He's talking about how old he was. OK, so she feels the need to point out I'm right leaning.
01:06:25.160I'm a right leaning commentator. Just journalist is fine.
01:06:28.580You don't have to describe me one way or another.
01:06:30.920And here is how she had referred to other journalists.
01:06:34.800Jake Tapper of CNN, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell, Anderson Cooper of CNN, Martha Raddatz of ABC.
01:10:06.320We've had opening statements, and now we're in the midst of witness testimony in this trial, which is moving along at quite a clip.
01:10:11.680The latest outrage is that no black people made it onto the jury of 12.
01:10:17.620And some, because Carmelo Anthony's defenders are already trying to make this about race, you know, that somehow he got arrested because of race or he was targeted by Austin Metcalf because of race.
01:10:49.140However, you know, these loons on the left who want to make everything about race are going to do what they're going to do, and they're doing it here.
01:10:54.460So they're very, very angry that there are no black jurors.
01:10:56.520what it turns out, Sean, the reason there are no black jurors is because several of the black
01:11:01.780jurors in voir dire explicitly said they could never put a brother in jail. OK, you'll get
01:11:08.460bounced every time for that. And the last remaining three who were in the running were
01:11:14.820all educators. And I think a lot of prosecution, a lot of prosecutors would bounce an educator
01:11:21.400fearful that they wouldn't have the stomach to convict in a case like this that involves a
01:11:27.020teenager a 17 year old right they may be looking at him too sympathetically and also because this
01:11:32.520is this happened at a school so they think they're the experts they're the mini expert you didn't no
01:11:38.080lawyer really wants the self-described expert on his or her jury you know you want the jury to look
01:11:44.440at you and your witnesses as the expert and not to have three self-declared ones taking over so
01:11:50.320this is all legit but they're already setting it up on team defense for some sort of like the
01:11:57.180the fix is in because it's all whites judging a black man your thoughts yeah i mean it's it's
01:12:04.020sadly predictable i mean the facts are so stacked against anthony in this he he was in a place he
01:12:10.220had no business being in he was asked to leave he didn't leave um they you know get into an
01:12:15.860altercation of words and then he decides he needs to stab this guy um you know it was self-defense
01:12:21.780now i i've done a lot of self-defense classes if anyone's ever been to a concealed carry class you
01:12:26.700get this rammed into your brain then when it comes to self-defense proportionality is a really
01:12:32.120really key element if you are walking around as like a gun owner or a concealed carry holder and
01:12:38.120you have a firearm on you and someone comes up to you and says hey i'm gonna punch you in the face
01:12:42.500you're not allowed to shoot that person that is not allowed uh to be a kind of proportional deadly
01:12:48.860force you weren't at risk at that point if someone comes in you know roughly same size and you know
01:12:54.020just kind of sucker punches you or punches you in the stomach you're also not allowed to go and
01:12:58.440stab that person or shoot them again proportionality is a really really important thing
01:13:02.960and the facts here this claim that it was in self-defense that was he was in fear of his life
01:13:07.620is nonsense the defense knows it's nonsense and so what i think they're trying to do is create this
01:13:13.560new kind of oj dynamic where they want to completely racialize it and and either somehow
01:13:19.360get him off by making sure they have people on the jury who sympathize him who sympathize with
01:13:23.560him racially or they want to be able to contextualize it or get it thrown out on appeal
01:13:27.720it wasn't a jury of of his peers i i think it's absolute nonsense um you know it seems to have
01:13:34.540in an unprovoked, fatal, deadly attack. And they don't have the facts with them. They don't have
01:13:39.620the law with them. So now they just have to cry racism. That's the thing. So provocation is
01:13:45.640relevant here. It was unprovoked by Austin Metcalf, but it was provoked by Carmelo Anthony.
01:13:54.660You know, Carmelo Anthony, according to the police report, went over to him. Well, Austin said,
01:14:00.540get out of our tent. I mean, it's come out in the trial that there were multiple tents at the track
01:14:05.440meet for multiple schools, and you were supposed to stand, if at all, under the tent for your school
01:14:10.580and not somebody else's school. And the tents were predominantly for the athletes to come back to
01:14:16.300in between, like, meets. So understandably, you wouldn't want, you know, the rival school under
01:14:21.640your tent, and nobody was doing that. But what they testified to was Carmelo Anthony's school
01:14:26.580didn't have a tent. So it's possible he was wandering there in good faith. I don't know.
01:14:31.580I'm not sure I didn't hear the testimony firsthand yet, but that it could be that he was in the wrong
01:14:35.700place and didn't realize he shouldn't be. But he was told by Austin Metcalf to leave the tent.
01:14:40.860And there was testimony by a coach that he had told Austin Metcalf, like, you be a leader,
01:14:46.080you know, keep things in order in here, which would include keeping out rival teams representatives
01:14:52.940and that he had gone over to Carmelo Anthony and told him to leave.
01:14:56.600And it was the equivalent of make me, you know, and he said, you know,
01:15:00.140why don't you put your hands on me and see, like, see if you can make me.
01:15:04.260And that Austin Metcalf did put hands on Carmelo Anthony in some way, shape or form.
01:15:08.940Like there's been testimony that he grabbed him or he may have pushed him.
01:17:16.420Sorry, that's imperfect defense of others.
01:17:18.080And this may be imperfect self-defense where like,
01:17:20.480I thought he was going to attack me with a knife, but he didn't.
01:17:22.800And in Texas, if that's your argument,
01:17:24.600you can only downgrade it to involuntary manslaughter.
01:17:27.520You can't get a not guilty if that's your defense.
01:17:31.760So I don't know if that's what they're going for.
01:17:33.080It's kind of interesting if that's what they're going for.
01:17:35.120But you tell me whether a Texas jury is going to look at any of this.
01:17:40.980I mean, they say that this Carmelo Anthony had good grades, was an upstanding student, you know, came from a nice family, though that nice family is now playing the race card in a way that's very despicable.
01:17:52.840You know, what are the odds they're going to look at this kid and want to lock him up for the rest of his life?
01:17:58.120I don't know if it's reasonable, I guess, if, you know, to think about, you know, someone is coming at you, they've asked you to leave a place, and you are put in such danger that it justifies you pulling a knife and stabbing them in the heart.
01:18:13.780you know I don't I look I mean there's there's the legal standard of you know imperfect self
01:18:20.560defense or just self defense and then there's the facts of this case and I just don't you know I
01:18:27.100know big city lawyer but I don't see how that that those thresholds can be met by Carmelo it just
01:18:35.240it just seems like a pretty open shut case to me right someone tells you to leave you say well
01:18:42.240make me the person approaches you even if they put an arm on you to escort you out or to sort of
01:18:47.780thrust you out that is that as is in in any possible universe is it a reasonable response
01:18:53.960to stab them in the heart so like and what you know again like with the with the black jurors
01:18:59.020like what what difference would would that make like it's again i think here's my bottom line is
01:19:04.580most people following the facts of this case would conclude that this is a pretty open and shut case
01:19:09.700And these all seem pretty like desperate lawyers maneuvers.
01:29:10.120You were an avid reader and then went to work at a psychiatric hospital.
01:29:14.700I did. I worked at McLean Hospital, still up there in Belmont, Mass. It was a terrific place to grow up. I wasn't a big reader when I went there. I was a good student in high school and college or whatever. And then I had a lot of free time. I worked a lot of nights. I started reading, reading, reading and fell in love with it and fell in love with writing. I just started scribbling all these stories and I loved it.
01:29:38.100And that's why I say, you know, to this day, I don't work for a living.
01:29:41.640I play for a living because I love writing stories.
01:34:51.520Why should people be reading this as we go to the July 4th holiday?
01:34:54.260You know, it's a great segue into this, you know, it's celebration of the 250th anniversary
01:34:59.640of this great, unbelievably brilliant country of ours.
01:35:03.760And, you know, this is a fun way, truly, I think, to to kind of get in that spirit.
01:35:08.580When I say fun, listen, it's an action thriller and it's about, you know, a really talented group of men and women that that rise to the occasion to protect us on our own shores.
01:35:17.660And that, I think, just the theme of the patriotism and the valor and, of course, the intrigue all rise into a good beach read.
01:35:28.280But it's fun. And I think it does support this notion, again, of men and women that serve our country so bravely and admirably, literally any chance they get.
01:35:39.640And I think that's sort of in a nutshell how it plays out for us.
01:35:43.060James, one of the things that's good about it is it happens here on our shores and the military has to defend us against a nefarious enemy who's attacking us in various ways and across various cities.
01:35:56.660And so that's the thing that America is really dread. Right. Like the thought that what what came across the border? Do we know exactly who's here? What's going on with the potholes? Like what? How could we be attacked in the homeland in a way that doesn't make those oceans feel like the comfortable cushion that we think they are?
01:36:13.220Yeah. And also, I mean, like what's going on right now, you create enemies. And this is tricky. I mean, that's what happened with 9-11. We do things and sometimes there's payback in a big way. And that's something we have to protect ourselves against that, for sure.
01:36:35.020in the book one of the themes uh that comes out and this is i don't know you tell me matt if this
01:36:40.980is like ripped from the headlines but there's a presidential campaign there's secret service
01:36:46.340who come under attack and i mean there's just been so much of that like over the past couple
01:36:52.320of years with trump and the repeated assassination attempts and secret service in the news like
01:36:56.500seemingly every other week do you guys do you pay attention to that when you're writing books
01:37:00.360like this? Or how does that work into your thought process? If I could just jump in on that, I will
01:37:05.520tell you, this has been a long time in the making in the writing. And a lot of this, believe it or
01:37:12.000not, actually was kicked around and jotted down years before this current administration. So
01:37:20.100interestingly enough, though, what it just points out is, you know, every one of these stories
01:37:26.000starts with a what if. And for somebody to say like, oh, that could never happen, you know,
01:37:29.800fill in the blank, whatever it is, it's, I'm here to tell you, it actually will. People said,
01:37:35.040you know, Black Hawk Down, that event on October 3rd and 4th, 1993 will never happen again,
01:37:40.140anomaly. And yet it does happen. You know, combat is very ugly and it's very real.
01:37:46.360These things do happen. So the nutshell of it, to answer your question, I think is,
01:37:51.460this covers Cold War stuff. This is GWAT stuff. This is irregular warfare stuff. And anyone that
01:37:56.500says it couldn't happen is delusional literally and fooling themselves so you know that's that's
01:38:02.120kind of the the the throwback answer is that if you can think it it really kind of because in
01:38:06.680real life that's what our enemies do like if they can think it don't do it well and i don't know i
01:38:13.140feel like one of the things like there there's some i don't give anything away but there's like
01:38:16.780some stop top lawmakers who shall we say become very endangered um it does make you wonder how
01:38:23.740prepared we would be god forbid there were an attack on the homeland matt right like it raises
01:38:29.120natural questions because i my own feeling is less than we'd like to be absolutely you know megan if
01:38:37.280you and i don't think you can't you cannot we cannot protect this country honestly i mean we
01:38:42.780can react and we can we can do the best we can and we are you know you you read a little segment
01:38:47.840before about a boy killing another boy and stabbing him in the heart. And we are in that
01:38:54.700period of anything goes. We're also where I think more than ever, there are people who don't care
01:39:02.760if they live or die. They just don't care that much. They've gotten to that point in their lives.
01:39:08.020And that makes it just more dangerous than it's I think that it's ever been in a lot of ways.
01:39:12.460But definitely, as Matt said, if you can think it, somebody's capable of doing it.
01:39:20.300There was, you know, even here in New York City, there was, I'm not in New York, but near, that woman fell through the manhole a couple of weeks ago.
01:39:41.920No, no, it was just so disturbing. This poor woman just stepped out of her car and fell into an open manhole, which should never be there, but was. And then we saw, I saw video on the internet. It was overseas. It was in some Asian country. I think it might have been in China, but somebody who's walking along and steps on the manhole and like that goes down. And it does make you think about vulnerabilities. Like there are a lot of them that we don't think about every day, but let's face it.
01:40:06.980usually the people who are thinking about him aren't really the top army rangers it's like
01:40:11.200bureaucrats you know who are underpaid and overworked and the next thing you know maybe
01:40:18.160because of what we let happen at the border or some other clever means the bad guys are here
01:40:23.340and we're really vulnerable especially if we're fighting overseas doing something we shouldn't
01:40:27.940be doing in my view yeah yeah yeah yeah and megan if i could just throw something really quick into
01:40:34.140that comment and all you're saying absolutely correct big countries so much to protect impossible
01:40:39.460even but if there's good news in it and this in real life we have got such a force of stout
01:40:47.880tough American men and women that maybe they're reacting but they'll do a job for us as we've
01:40:54.460seen in real life real time and witnessed on real battlefields and I think in this book again
01:41:00.120And, you know, you do get to see this, hey, man, when you're on the road,
01:41:04.960good people, everyday people can stand up.
01:41:10.100I mean, the other thing, Megan, and this is sort of cornball, but it's true.
01:41:16.700To protect against a lot of this stuff, to some extent,
01:41:20.080we have to start rowing in the same direction better than we have been.
01:41:24.440Because the way it's working right now, we're rowing in 20 different directions.
01:41:29.580and the boat just spins and it doesn't that doesn't really help because it doesn't protect
01:41:34.000us it doesn't do anything that we like to just waste a lot of money we looked this up just because
01:41:39.840you guys are coming on about american pride um and this is a headline in the new york post just
01:41:45.420two days ago fewer than one in five democrats feel proud to be american ahead of the birthday
01:41:51.620the 250th compared to two and three republicans but that's still lower for republicans than it's
01:41:56.760been. 68 percent said they felt proud of the country. It used to be much, much higher on both
01:42:02.600sides. But this decrease in national pride is depressing, James Patterson. What are we supposed
01:42:08.580to do about that? We just need somehow we need leadership. I don't just mean president, but
01:42:16.080just in general, where more people are sort of nodding their head as opposed to shaking their
01:42:20.960And that's hopefully will be one of the things about this country we've been pretty good about doing is when things sort of going the wrong way, we tend to have it to kind of rebalance things a little bit.
01:42:36.140And I don't mean Republican versus Democrat as much as just working together a little bit better than we have been.
01:42:43.100if you know maybe it starts with rockets red glare maybe people read rockets red glare by
01:42:50.440james patterson and matt eversman and say you know what this has been a great thriller
01:42:54.220by guys who have maintained mostly non-partisan leanings and i'm inspired i'm inspired to think
01:43:00.580about how we protect ourselves against outside enemies as opposed to creating enemies from within
01:43:05.940with of our fellow countrymen the other thing is that we we um
01:43:12.480we can we can go and escape for a few hours that's okay uh there's so much yes toxicity
01:43:21.000and we just we can't do that all day you know it's like you know this is it's escape reading
01:43:27.300uh we're going to get a good result the good guys hopefully are going to win uh within reason good
01:43:34.260guys and women um yeah and that's that's i mean that's one of the things obviously we want to do
01:43:38.940And the thing with the collaborations with me, I always try to, when the collaborations, whether it's Dolly Parton or Viola Davis, somebody who's going to bring the authenticity to the kinds of stories that I like to get involved in.
01:44:06.620I mean, there's a, this is from the prologue, Sergeant Jeff Carnes sat paralyzed in the passenger seat of the smoldering Humvee, slowly regaining consciousness after the concussion of the RPG.
01:44:17.360And we go on from there, who he sees about to grenade him, only to see that guy instantaneously get a bullet in his head.