The Megyn Kelly Show - Sham ＂Dignity＂ Amnesty Bill, and the Crucial Lebanon Factor, with Michael Knowles and Ana Kasparian ｜ Ep. 1292

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.320 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.500 Big developments today with the shaky ceasefire with Iran.

00:00:50.300 We're going to get to that in our second hour with Anna Kasparian.

00:00:53.060 But with foreign news dominating, some of the big stories here at home are getting short shrift.

00:00:58.500 and it's important to focus on them because they're trying to pull a fast one on us right

00:01:02.800 now in the U.S. Congress. One of them is this story, the growing controversy over the Dignity

00:01:09.100 Act bill that's currently being debated in the House of Representatives. You could call it a

00:01:15.760 betrayal bill. That's another name for it. The legislation is causing uproar for many of the

00:01:21.680 strongest voices from the America First community, which has already gotten screwed, because if it 0.75

00:01:27.480 is passed into law, the so-called Dignity Act, would make it easier for illegals to stay in the

00:01:34.380 country, millions of them. Now, none of this is particularly surprising, but here's where the

00:01:40.260 story gets interesting. The Dignity Act has support from a number of Republicans. In fact,

00:01:47.200 it was co-introduced back in July of last year by Republican Congresswoman Maria Salazar,

00:01:52.240 who's from the Miami area.

00:01:54.620 She's the daughter of Cuban immigrants.

00:01:56.640 And the original list of co-sponsors

00:01:58.780 includes 20 Republicans and 20 Democrats.

00:02:03.280 What are the Republicans doing

00:02:04.580 co-sponsoring an amnesty bill?

00:02:07.740 The legislation calls for stricter border enforcement

00:02:10.440 in parallel.

00:02:11.880 Okay, they always do this.

00:02:13.060 This is what the Republicans who are pro-amnesty

00:02:14.920 always stick in.

00:02:16.200 Oh, we're gonna make it tougher.

00:02:17.720 We're gonna enforce the border.

00:02:19.240 And that's really like the price

00:02:20.500 we're gonna pay for amnesty.

00:02:21.520 That's never the way it works. What ends up happening is you get the amnesty without the

00:02:26.500 tougher border. You know, the next time you get a Democrat in the White House, the border opens

00:02:31.220 back up. Even with this president in the White House, where's our wall? This is no time to be

00:02:37.200 talking about amnesty. What are we doing? Why are we doing this? The legislation calls for stricter

00:02:44.200 border enforcement, as I said, in parallel with a legal process for illegal immigrants who meet

00:02:49.180 certain qualifications to stay in America without fear of deportation. I don't care about them being 0.98

00:02:56.000 in fear of deportation. You know who's not in fear of deportation? Americans. Like, why should I,

00:03:03.940 why do I have to worry about their fear? Then go home. Go back to Ecuador. You won't be deported.

00:03:09.560 You're good. Like, this is a far left concern. Why are we having Republicans making this,

00:03:17.580 their agenda front and center, Congressman Salazar. The quote dignity program would give

00:03:25.120 illegals seven years of temporary legal status. So long as they've been in this country for 1.00

00:03:30.680 five years, they had to have gotten here before 2021, pass a criminal background check for like 0.59

00:03:37.480 most crimes, but not all crimes, repay back taxes, which they'll never do and pay $7,000 in

00:03:44.540 restitution. I guarantee you it'll be a situation where like you have to promise you'll do it

00:03:49.000 and then they won't do it. Supporters of the bill really want us to know that individuals

00:03:53.840 in the dignity program would not be eligible for federal benefits or be on a path to citizenship,

00:04:00.120 though they'd be here legally forever. OK, here's Congresswoman Salazar trying to sell the 1.00

00:04:07.280 legislation. What does the word dignity mean to you? To me, it means not having to live in the 0.99

00:04:13.260 shadows. It means being proud to contribute to the economy and be respected for it. That's what

00:04:18.640 10 million illegal immigrants deserve. Let them work legally and generate over $100 billion in 0.99

00:04:25.340 revenue for our treasury. No path to citizenship, no right to vote in our elections, and no access 0.56

00:04:31.440 to federal programs. It's called the Dignity Act, where they can work and live without fear.

00:04:37.200 It's the right thing to do. It's the Christian thing to do. It's the American thing to do.

00:04:41.700 So let's do it.

00:04:44.120 Now, there's been no movement recently on the bill in Congress, no movement until recently.

00:04:50.000 And now it's back in the news because Congresswoman Salazar announced late last month that she and other supporters were going on a nationwide dignity tour to rally support for its passage.

00:04:59.700 I mean, she means it.

00:05:00.920 She's not phoning it in.

00:05:02.020 Now, that's got many America First supporters outraged who say it flies in the face of President Trump's campaign promise to not only not provide amnesty, but to conduct mass deportations of illegals. 0.98

00:05:17.600 The days of doing this shit with the heartstrings are supposed to be over. 0.97

00:05:22.440 One of those conservatives is our first guest, Michael Knowles. 0.99

00:05:25.880 He's host of The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:06:35.800 and use the promo code Megan for $20 off your first order. Michael, welcome back. Great to see

00:06:42.620 you. She's not trying to hide it. Even though she's a Republican, she's going to go on a nationwide

00:06:47.920 tour trying to sell it. I mean, I got to say, I think America Firsters have had about enough.

00:06:56.040 First, they were told no one's interested in Epstein and that we wouldn't get it. We were

00:07:00.720 going to be seeing any files. Then they passed a legislation with a huge hole in it that you

00:07:03.980 could drive a truck through. OK, fine. Then they were told that the promise not to start a Middle

00:07:08.820 East war didn't apply to Iran, which the last time I checked is in the Middle East. And now

00:07:13.760 we have a Republican co-sponsoring and going on a nationwide tour to push an amnesty bill,

00:07:20.240 which she says is not amnesty. She's very, very angry at that word. But you tell me what it is

00:07:25.300 when you allow millions of illegals to stay here forever with impunity. Well, Megan, I think your 0.99

00:07:31.980 summary of the bill was totally right with one slight correction. This woman, Maria Salazar,

00:07:37.940 a nominal Republican, is now calling this the Dignity Act. But the actual name of the bill

00:07:43.460 is the dignidad act they couldn't even put the bill in english they put the bill in spanish and

00:07:49.800 so i have my own alternative legislation that i am proposing uh the the legislation is the

00:07:55.540 all new denizens actually leave on mass bill or the on delay bill so i hope that the congress

00:08:03.480 takes up the the on delay act of 2026 because the dignidad act is completely unacceptable and by the

00:08:10.680 way. This woman, Salazar, is now saying that this is not an amnesty bill in any way. She's attacking

00:08:16.660 even some of her colleagues in Congress, like Brandon Gill, who has led the fight against this

00:08:21.740 in Congress. She's saying that he's lying about the legislation. The bill would literally give

00:08:30.440 not only amnesty, but a pathway to citizenship for untold numbers of so-called dreamers. The

00:08:36.500 dreamers, a term coined under the Obama administration, referring to illegal aliens

00:08:41.800 who were brought to this country at a younger age. The dreamers at this point are not doe-eyed

00:08:46.040 six-year-olds. They're like 50 years old at this point, okay? And so that notion is totally

00:08:50.640 ridiculous. And then this woman on camera actually said, when she was trying to sell this to the 0.87

00:08:56.080 pro-amnesty, pro-pathway to citizenship people, she said, look, don't worry. Future legislators

00:09:01.520 are going to come along and give these people a pathway to citizenship. What we need to do right

00:09:05.840 now is give them peace. In other words, we need to buy time right now. We need to stop them from

00:09:10.440 being deported. So this is the first step to a pathway to citizenship. Now she's coming out

00:09:15.160 saying it won't give a pathway to citizenship. She's lying to the public. Donald Trump won his

00:09:20.720 election for a lot of reasons. One of the top reasons that he won not only the election,

00:09:25.400 but the popular vote is on mass deportations. Mass deportations are a mainstream popular

00:09:32.080 political issue so what are these jokers these republicans in congress say they come around and

00:09:37.120 they say i know what we'll do after winning the first popular election in 20 years let's give

00:09:41.780 illegals mass amnesty it it it makes you just put your head in your hands and you think leave it to

00:09:48.300 these people to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory yeah what what who do they think wants

00:09:54.880 this in the republican party we always we went back and looked at the polls in 2024 okay they 0.80

00:10:01.580 showed 62 percent of registered voters favored a national program to deport all illegals. That

00:10:07.460 was CBS News. Axios, 51 percent of Americans, including 42 percent of Democrats, would support

00:10:13.180 mass deportations of illegals. Even as of last April 2025, CNN was reporting 56 percent of

00:10:19.920 Americans were in favor of mass deportations for everyone here illegally. Then I asked my team to 1.00

00:10:25.360 go back and check it after the nonsense in Minneapolis with Renee Good and Alex Preddy.

00:10:30.500 And Harry Anton did a shot suggesting that the numbers had gone down. But then we checked February 26th via Reuters. And it said as of February 26th, 60 percent of Americans, including a fifth of Republicans and nine in 10 Democrats, think immigration agents have gone too far.

00:10:48.360 But some 61 percent of respondents, including 92 percent of Republicans and 35 percent of Democrats, said they support deporting unauthorized immigrants, illegals and similar information reported in Politico via McLaughlin on April 1st.

00:11:03.120 So there still is support, majority support for deporting all of these illegals.

00:11:08.660 I don't get how you find 20 Republicans who want to forge ahead with this kind of agenda, which the president is not going to sign. 0.86

00:11:18.360 He's not he's not dumb. So what is this just to create a talking point for the Democrats right

00:11:25.040 before the midterms? Yeah, I think it comes from a couple of places. One, some of these Republicans

00:11:30.140 are just rhinos. I mean, they're fake Republicans. In fairness to them, some of them come from swing 0.99

00:11:35.400 districts. So I guess they're trying to appeal to Democrats. But the other constituency in the

00:11:40.000 Republican Party that does want this is a lot of the donor class. That's what this is about.

00:11:45.360 Basically, no Republican voters want this.

00:11:47.900 They actually want the opposite of this. 0.88

00:11:49.360 But some Republican donors want it because they benefit from the slave labor that we 0.96

00:11:53.540 get from mass migration.

00:11:55.260 This has always been the Faustian bargain when it comes to the open border.

00:11:59.640 The Democrats want the open border because they think, and with justification, that it

00:12:04.740 will give them a permanent electoral majority.

00:12:07.260 And then some of the business Republicans want it because it gives them slave labor. 0.99

00:12:11.100 And so they use this woman as their puppet to go out there and say that this is all about dignity.

00:12:16.780 Hey, what about the dignity of Americans? 0.59

00:12:18.620 What about the dignity of citizens and voters who want the most basic political right?

00:12:24.400 That is to say, to determine who it comes into and who leaves their political community.

00:12:29.800 This is pretty basic stuff.

00:12:31.500 It's so outrageous.

00:12:32.820 The one line that they all keep using, too, is that they say, if the Democrats win again,

00:12:38.060 And historically speaking, they probably will win in the midterms, at least in the House.

00:12:41.720 They say when the Democrats come in again, they're going to pass a mass amnesty.

00:12:45.900 So we need to get ahead of this issue.

00:12:47.720 And you say, hold on, you're telling me that the fear is Democrats are going to come in and give a mass amnesty.

00:12:53.280 So that's why the big brain 5D chess Republicans need to give a mass amnesty first.

00:12:58.920 What how on earth does that make any sense? 0.97

00:13:01.080 the democrats are not i don't think they're dumb enough to pass a mass amnesty even if they get 0.92

00:13:07.960 control again that doesn't speak to border security at all i mean they they have to see 0.91

00:13:13.160 the same polls we're seeing like they couldn't possibly do such a thing without doing something

00:13:17.260 about the border and like so that's that vitiates that argument but what the the only thing i can

00:13:23.780 think of when i look at this bill is some of the border protections are good like the first one

00:13:30.400 implements nationwide mandatory e-verify.

00:13:33.860 Yes, that should be happening right now.

00:13:36.680 The Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House,

00:13:40.480 and we haven't done that.

00:13:41.920 And there's a reason we haven't done that.

00:13:43.680 It's because Republicans, the dirty little secret,

00:13:47.500 including right up to the one in the White House, 0.92

00:13:49.720 do favor allowing some portion of illegals to continue staying here 0.89

00:13:53.760 and working here. 0.70

00:13:55.280 Like in the hotel industry, the president says, or on farms.

00:13:59.220 And that's why they don't pass an immediate requirement that E-Verify be implemented at the federal level all across the country.

00:14:07.180 They won't do it. That would actually get rid of the illegals really fast because they couldn't work. 0.99

00:14:12.280 They could not work without proving that they are U.S. citizens. 1.00

00:14:14.640 They won't do that. But this bill purports to do that.

00:14:17.340 It requires DNA testing for family verification, increases penalties for illegal border crossers,

00:14:23.380 enacts strongest penalties possible for child sex traffickers on asylum, ends catch and relief.

00:14:28.880 builds humanitarian campuses near the southern border to process asylum seekers in federal

00:14:33.460 custody expedites asylum processing determinations within 60 days increases penalties for asylum

00:14:39.140 fraud i mean frankly we should like we should just be not doing asylum anyway the country's full go

00:14:43.720 home the country's full like i don't we're gonna i guess keep pretending that we want more people

00:14:48.380 because they having traversed through seven different other countries where they didn't ask

00:14:53.180 for asylum now need it when they get to america but in any event there are some good things in

00:14:58.200 here. And this is supposed to be the carrot, Michael, to get people like you and me into this

00:15:01.820 thing without realizing that they always do this. They always say this. All those things I just

00:15:07.800 mentioned that I like, like E-Verify, will be stripped out of it. The Democrats will never

00:15:11.780 vote for that. P.S. Neither will a lot of Republicans. This is just to make us say,

00:15:15.880 oh, OK, I'm open minded to it to get the amnesty. And then we'll let in a bunch of more illegals. 0.89

00:15:22.020 And in about 10 years, there'll be a new push for more amnesty. To your point, Megan, especially on

00:15:27.160 asylum, we need to establish right off the bat, and a lot of people don't know this,

00:15:31.540 the asylum claims are basically all nonsense. The people who are coming across the border illegally 0.99

00:15:36.840 are economic migrants. Some of them are making asylum claims. Virtually all of them are

00:15:42.260 disingenuous. But to your point, if this were really chiefly about political asylum from some

00:15:48.060 country in which they're being politically oppressed, they could stop in any of the

00:15:51.420 countries along the way. And they don't want to do it. They want to come here because we're a rich

00:15:54.720 country and we provide massive welfare benefits. You know, this Dignidad Act says that the illegal

00:16:00.440 aliens will have no access to federal programs. That's bogus too, because even if they technically 0.70

00:16:05.320 don't have access to the federal programs, they have access to the state programs and the state

00:16:09.800 programs are funded by the federal government. They're funded by your taxpayer dollars. So even

00:16:13.980 that is a bogus argument because money is fungible. And I think these people are smart enough to know

00:16:18.980 that. I think the more charitable read is that they're just being deceitful here rather than

00:16:23.880 anything else and and yes i recognize it's very easy with my microphone from my nice little

00:16:29.600 pundit chair to to say that we should deport all of them it's a harder political action to effect

00:16:35.660 i i get that and there are going to be lots of constituencies who don't want it certainly in the

00:16:40.080 donor class and the indian real estate and the farmers and all the rest of it but also even

00:16:45.440 among rank-and-file voters who are going to react to the avalanche of dishonest and bad bad looking

00:16:51.540 news images and stories. I get that it's a difficult political issue. I guess my point

00:16:56.280 would be this. If you're going to spend political capital on any issue, this is the one to spend it

00:17:03.540 on. Because not only is it what people voted for, but two, the mass migration presents an

00:17:11.060 existential threat to the country. And also specifically, just talking to the self-interest 0.98

00:17:16.540 to Republican legislators, it poses an existential threat to the Republican Party.

00:17:21.220 That's why the Democrats are posing it.

00:17:23.040 So I say, I sympathize.

00:17:24.600 I get it.

00:17:25.200 I know that this is politically very difficult to do, and it requires a lot of political

00:17:29.600 capital.

00:17:30.040 This is the best investment of your political capital that you can make in the medium term

00:17:35.200 and certainly in the long term.

00:17:37.760 Look at what's happening right now in the Republican Party.

00:17:41.920 It's very divided.

00:17:43.720 You know, the MAGA wing of the party is behind Trump and backs this war, supposedly.

00:17:51.720 So do the neocons.

00:17:53.240 And the rest of the party that considers itself America first does not.

00:17:58.300 The polls show that.

00:18:00.140 What do they need to demoralize them further right before the midterms, other than a big

00:18:06.240 amnesty bill co-sponsored by Republicans?

00:18:09.960 I mean, honestly, Michael, like if you if you were a Democrat sitting at home thinking, how can I further demoralize the Trump constituencies?

00:18:20.480 How what what could I do to make sure they don't show up in November that they feel as down as possible on the Republican Party?

00:18:28.600 I don't need them to vote Democrat. I know they're not going to vote for us, but I sure would like to get them to stay home as a middle finger to their own party in November.

00:18:36.480 This is the perfect thing you would. 0.99

00:18:38.660 The secret meetings of Democrats would all say this is brilliant and we'll get this idiot from Florida to co-sponsor it. 1.00

00:18:46.160 Of course. I mean, to your point, I think the Iran strikes are a major hot potato. 0.99

00:18:50.960 And so the key to that is going to be it's got to wrap up quickly.

00:18:55.620 You know, President Trump said at the beginning of it he thought it would take about four to six weeks.

00:19:00.080 And to his credit, the guy actually had a pretty good calculation on this because the ceasefire, such as it is, we'll see if it holds, did kick in about halfway through the fifth week.

00:19:08.860 So that would be great if we can move off it.

00:19:11.480 Yes, some polls show 90 percent support among a certain wing of the Republican Party, even 100 percent support among parts of the Republican Party.

00:19:18.900 I do think that support is kind of soft.

00:19:21.680 There are a lot of people who don't want around to have a nuclear weapon.

00:19:24.860 Plenty of people hate the mullahs. Fair enough.

00:19:26.600 The mullahs have been anti-American for 50 years now. 0.86

00:19:29.280 But this is not going to be the kind of galvanizing issue that gets Republicans out to the polls in November. 0.95

00:19:35.980 So it has to wrap up quickly.

00:19:37.740 I hope and trust it will wrap up quickly.

00:19:39.800 I'm looking at the negotiating team.

00:19:41.280 I'm really pleased to see that the vice president is leading the negotiating team.

00:19:44.140 You know, that could all be great, coupled with oil prices not spiking to $200 a barrel.

00:19:49.420 Right now, they're still under $190 a barrel.

00:19:51.940 You saw the price of eggs just totally cratered, like 60%.

00:19:55.220 These are all good signs.

00:19:57.280 Record lows.

00:19:57.740 Yeah, I mean, these are the kinds of things where you say, OK, great. We can we won't give Democrats the economic talking point. If we can wrap this war up quickly, we won't give them a foreign policy talking point that you know that they're salivating for. So you say, OK, great. What are those what are those bread and butter issues that the Republican primary voters need to impel them to go out in in November?

00:20:18.320 You say, well, immigration is one of the biggest issues. Hold on. You're going to give Democrats the biggest win they could imagine? Even just a talking point win. Like, where is your head at? And I, well, I actually have an answer of where their heads are at, but I won't say it on air because, you know, I try not to go blue. But it's just totally bizarre.

00:20:36.640 And so my recommendation to the dozen Republican congressmen who are still promoting this thing, knock it off. Stop it. Take the L. You lost. This bill sucks. It's terrible in every way. You're dangling the carrot of border security in exchange for mass amnesty. Guess what? We've heard that song before. That's exactly what the Democrats did to Reagan in the 80s. And to quote George W. Bush, fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. The point is you're not going to fool me again.

00:21:03.180 You know that we're going to get the mass amnesty. We're not going to get the border security. So knock it off. You guys lost. You tried to pull a fast one. Maybe you got duped. Maybe you're just too ignorant. Whatever it is, stop going on TV to sell this thing. Keep your traps shut. Focus on the issues that the Americans want, which coincidentally is the exact opposite of this bill.

00:21:21.000 we did it for the young people listening to this we did it under reagan reagan fell for this and

00:21:27.020 allowed mass amnesty for the tune of three million or so people and they just kept coming

00:21:33.800 across the border it didn't solve anything it just made wave the magic wand and gave amnesty

00:21:38.360 legal status to millions of illegals and and turned out to be an incentive for more to come

00:21:43.660 so the the border by the way is closed right now it's closed all we really need to do is keep

00:21:48.500 Trump's policies in place and build a wall so that the next president can't reopen the border.

00:21:53.800 There doesn't seem to be any money in the budget for that. There does seem to be lots of money in

00:21:57.280 the budget for defense, but no border wall, which is another form of defense. This is unnecessary.

00:22:05.100 What is necessary is to actually start deporting people again. And Michael, you and I both know

00:22:09.240 that agenda is stymied because of what happened in Minneapolis. You know, we had an internal

00:22:14.600 debate within the party on whether we should do them all, or we should do just worst, not even

00:22:19.860 just worst first. It's like worst only. And the worst only crowd won. And I understand it

00:22:27.500 politically. I mean, we don't favor it, but I understand it because Trump's full numbers were

00:22:31.120 taking a nosedive in the wake of the nonstop coverage of Minneapolis and putting the little

00:22:36.360 boy on the air as though, you know, we're just so evil and we're separating. And meanwhile,

00:22:40.000 is that that was that dad's fault that boy could have stayed with his mom the dad said i'm i'm

00:22:45.180 taking him with me yeah and then finally when they tracked him down they said do you want him to stay

00:22:49.260 with mom or come with you and he said come with me so okay whatever the media is always gonna lie

00:22:53.780 in any event it's settled on the worst only and now even that has just gone completely quiet it's

00:22:59.960 like i i have no idea whether we're even still pursuing that it doesn't seem to be center stage

00:23:04.660 anymore and to your point we don't seem to be expending the political capital the president

00:23:09.100 has left on pushing that agenda as opposed to, you know, foreign relations and military.

00:23:15.700 Yeah, I think the key is going to have excursions, right? The key is going to have to be if you

00:23:20.980 recognize that in Minneapolis, the Dems were able to score an optics victory. Notice it's always

00:23:26.420 Minneapolis, by the way, there were mass deportations going on all around the country. But

00:23:30.500 Minneapolis and Minnesota generally, we're trying to make a big show about this. They did this with

00:23:35.300 the George Floyd riots five years ago, and they did it again successfully. You had Tim Walls 0.96

00:23:39.680 calling for open insurrection. He was invoking 1863. Same thing goes for Jacob Fry when he was

00:23:44.460 able to speak English instead of whatever the Star Wars language was that he tries to spittle out of

00:23:48.360 his mouth. And so, yeah, it was an op, and it worked to some degree. So then what do you have

00:23:53.920 to do? The best thing that you could possibly do politically in that case is to maybe try to

00:24:01.020 counter some of the theatrics that you're going to get from the Democrats and just deport these

00:24:05.060 people. The formal numbers we got out of the White House by the end of the year were, what, 700,000

00:24:09.920 plus formal deportations, and then over a million self-deportations. And of course, self-deportations

00:24:15.820 is going to be a little trickier to track. However, we do have it for multiple data sets,

00:24:20.180 and there was an effort to say, look, if you're going to have to live in the shadows, if you're

00:24:24.300 not going to have access to these welfare programs, if ICE is going to be around the corner, maybe it

00:24:28.060 makes sense for you to leave the country now. And by the way, we'll give you a thousand bucks on the

00:24:31.840 way out. If anywhere near those numbers are right, then that's a good start. The problem, of course,

00:24:36.920 is that even if they deported three million people per year, you've got something like 20 million

00:24:41.860 illegal aliens in the country. I totally recognize how brutal this problem has become, mostly because

00:24:47.780 of Democrats, but also with the help of some subversive Republicans, like people such as

00:24:51.900 Maria Salazar. But regardless of what it is, you just need to at least quietly keep the pressure

00:24:59.260 up. Keep deporting these people. It is the most important long term political issue for the

00:25:06.000 Republican Party and for the health of the United States. I'm not saying that you have to totally

00:25:10.560 ignore foreign affairs or ignore economic issues or any of the rest of it. You got to juggle a lot

00:25:15.100 of different spinning plates. But you cannot neglect this issue. This is the issue. This is

00:25:21.220 the issue. When Trump came down the golden escalator in 2015, it was the issue that won

00:25:25.780 the popular vote in 2024 and and we cannot allow ourselves to uh to put it on the back burner

00:25:32.280 trump has endorsed this woman post her submission of this bill but the white house says he is not

00:25:39.200 pro-amnesty and you know we we have to hold him to that that's that absolutely has to remain his

00:25:45.800 position or there will be a just a complete revolt i mean there'll be no republicans left

00:25:49.920 It just there's no way he can sign this bill. Moving on. This guy was not an illegal, but he was front and center in the news for a month until Charlie Kirk's assassination knocked him off the front page.

00:26:03.300 The man who's accused of butchering, Irina Zarytska, the 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee on the Charlotte, North Carolina light rail, has been found incompetent to stand trial.

00:26:18.860 Michael, this is the ultimate insult.

00:26:23.440 He's obviously not mentally all there.

00:26:27.740 That's been clear for years.

00:26:30.400 He nonetheless has been allowed to rain terror down on the citizens of Charlotte for years. 0.51

00:26:39.780 And these far left woke judges, magistrate judges and district judges there, have been sending him in and out of the courts like a revolving door with no thought for the safety of anyone, least of all Irina.

00:26:55.000 and now that he takes out a knife and kills her on the light rail in a video that has haunted us

00:27:02.460 all, now we have a judge declare him incompetent to face the charges. This is, I mean, it's truly

00:27:11.260 the ultimate FU from a system that gave so many FUs and that is directly responsible for what

00:27:18.760 happened to poor Irina on that train. Your thoughts on that? I wish we could just say that this were

00:27:25.040 incompetence or an unfortunate flaw in our justice system. It's not. Now, obviously, the guy should

00:27:33.920 be in prison for the rest of his life or executed by the state. If he can't be because he's not fit

00:27:39.640 to stand trial, he needs to be permanently institutionalized. But we don't really do that

00:27:44.200 so much anymore so what do we do with criminals such as he we just we let them out on the street

00:27:48.960 to go kill more people uh that would be an incompetence and a flaw that we would have to

00:27:54.840 address but unfortunately it's more than that and we know it because we can couple this with the

00:27:59.560 mural scandal that took place up in rhode island i think it was there was a mural that went up

00:28:04.680 for irena zarutska this poor woman who was who was murdered in what appears to be a racially

00:28:10.580 motivated crime it sounded like when he was leaving the train he said i got a white woman

00:28:14.100 And because of that, the mayor and a member of Congress up there said that the mural had to come down because it was divisive, divisive.

00:28:24.380 Think about this, Megan. 0.63

00:28:26.160 This woman, Irina Zarutska, checks virtually every box that the Democrats say they like. 0.99

00:28:32.360 She's an immigrant.

00:28:33.980 She's a woman.

00:28:35.880 She was she's young. 1.00

00:28:37.720 She victimized Ukraine. 0.57

00:28:40.560 They love Ukraine, too.

00:28:41.500 They love Ukraine.

00:28:42.440 She's Ukrainian.

00:28:43.140 She's top of the list. 0.99

00:28:45.320 But they don't like this woman. 0.92

00:28:46.860 In fact, they want to do everything they can to defend her killer because she's a white woman. 0.92

00:28:52.740 That's really what it comes down to.

00:28:54.620 It's cliche and trite to say, but, you know, had the race has been reversed, of course, this would be an international news story.

00:29:00.640 And so what the Democrats are doing is expressing overtly an antipathy for white people.

00:29:06.660 And they're saying that if the crime doesn't match our racial criteria, we're going to let the criminals off the hook.

00:29:12.560 and we're not even going to let you talk about it.

00:29:15.080 The aspect of the Irina Zarutska mural

00:29:18.080 that has gone largely undiscussed,

00:29:20.480 but it's the cherry on top of the irony sundae,

00:29:22.940 is that the libs are the ones

00:29:24.360 who tell us that we need free artistic expression.

00:29:28.140 You can never limit art.

00:29:29.520 You know, art is whatever we all feel

00:29:31.400 and it needs to be everywhere.

00:29:32.360 We need to fund the arts.

00:29:33.600 Not this art, though. 1.00

00:29:34.720 Not art that pays honor to a woman

00:29:37.460 who was murdered in cold blood.

00:29:39.380 No, no, no.

00:29:39.940 The left is all for censorship of art.

00:29:42.000 when it comes to something that contradicts their narrative. 1.00

00:29:44.580 So, look, they hate this woman.

00:29:46.420 They hate what her death represents.

00:29:48.540 They want to defend her murderer, 0.96

00:29:50.640 and they're going to let her murder her off the hook,

00:29:52.440 and her murderer is, statistically speaking,

00:29:55.300 probably going to go victimize somebody else.

00:29:57.960 This is so wrong.

00:29:59.680 It is so hard, by the way, to get a not guilty verdict at trial.

00:30:06.360 If they would let him use an insanity defense,

00:30:08.420 it's next to impossible to actually get a not guilty verdict.

00:30:11.860 Like the instruction on it is next to impossible.

00:30:14.520 And now this guy is going to get out of it altogether.

00:30:17.020 I feel like these same woke judges understood that.

00:30:19.960 So finally gave him the declaration he should have gotten long ago, the summer before he

00:30:25.720 killed her.

00:30:26.840 There was a question about whether he'd get tagged with this and they ordered a psych

00:30:30.660 evaluation and it wasn't done.

00:30:33.060 He was allowed. 0.98

00:30:33.680 He was sent back out into Charlotte, North Carolina to kill again or to kill and to hurt 0.99

00:30:39.220 another person. 0.98

00:30:39.920 And he did.

00:30:40.800 So now, now that he's actually going to have to face potential accountability, they finally give him an evaluation to say, oh, he's incompetent to stand trial, which means incapable to proceed is what they've said in the state courts, not competent and to stand trial.

00:30:58.660 that now a judge has to determine whether to accept the report's finding.

00:31:03.960 Per North Carolina state law, a defendant is considered incapable to proceed

00:31:07.060 if he cannot comprehend the nature of the charges,

00:31:11.120 understand his role in the court proceedings, or assist in his defense.

00:31:16.380 To restore capacity, a defendant is often treated with medication

00:31:19.500 and other treatment in order to get him deemed competent.

00:31:23.560 We'll see whether they do any of that.

00:31:25.620 His mother told the New York Post that he is schizophrenic, saying she struggled to have him committed a long time ago and blamed the justice system.

00:31:35.020 He'd been arrested 33 times, Michael.

00:31:37.100 He'd been criminally charged on 14 of those occasions.

00:31:40.500 He was free on cashless bail after a magistrate released him with a written promise to show up for court after placing a bogus 911 call.

00:31:48.740 That's when he killed Irina.

00:31:49.640 And you know what? I believe every word that she says that she did try to have him committed and that this system said, no, no, no, they had no interest. They don't create the beds. And this these blue run cities, the Democrat run cities find institutionalization inhumane.

00:32:06.580 they'd rather the arenas of the world get killed and then this guy could wind up with his you know

00:32:14.140 body in the electric chair too how's that humane you know like you allow these people to run around

00:32:19.220 murdering people it doesn't end well for them either institutionalization is the kinder gentler

00:32:24.160 option of course it is and yet in recent decade more than recent decades we just refuse to do it

00:32:30.520 And so my confidence that society will actually in the long run be kept safe from this guy and guys like him is basically zero.

00:32:39.820 You know, this harms everybody involved, which is true of most Democrat policies.

00:32:47.400 I mean, just even getting back to the border, you know, when the Dems are promoting the open border, the first focus should be on our country and the American citizens who are victimized by mass migration.

00:32:56.980 But it's worth pointing out as a side note that Amnesty International infusion found that 60 to 80 percent of women and girls who cross the border illegally are sexually assaulted on the way.

00:33:05.760 So it's not exactly great for them either.

00:33:07.580 You know, this is this is completely deleterious to everybody involved.

00:33:12.180 And which is why it's a good hunch that the Democrats will support it. 0.99

00:33:16.260 Unfortunately, in both cases, law and order and in mass migration, being followed by some squish Republicans as well. 0.97

00:33:23.160 he was charged federally in addition to at the state level and there is some promising news in 0.73

00:33:30.400 that the uh u.s attorney for this district in charlotte said that this man to carlos brown

00:33:35.620 is in federal custody on a federal indictment the state proceedings including any competency

00:33:41.280 finding in the state proceedings are completely separate so it certainly sounds like the federal

00:33:46.400 government is not going to just sit by and let this guy get any sort of a pass though these same

00:33:52.260 evaluations will have to happen at the federal level. He's been ordered to undergo a psychiatric

00:33:57.680 examination as part of the federal court case that's just coming in. However, court filings

00:34:03.640 from March 6th indicate the examination is not yet completed. The evaluation period has been

00:34:08.220 extended. So we'll see. We'll see whether we can get a better result at the federal level.

00:34:13.220 If this guy was fined to put back out on the streets after that bogus 911 call a year ago,

00:34:20.120 not even a year ago, he should be fined to stand trial. I mean, come on, this is not somebody who

00:34:25.600 was obviously incompetent to the place where, like, they had to lock him up immediately

00:34:30.880 last summer. So what happened? Maybe we need to test the assertions of incompetence a little bit

00:34:36.560 more robustly. You know, it's another important point here, Megan, on the federal level, as we

00:34:41.540 say, well, thank goodness, at least there is a chance that justice will be served at the federal

00:34:45.480 level. Well, this is a reminder for the people, especially the squish Republicans, who don't like 0.95

00:34:51.440 it when the Trump administration, you know, goes in and actually exercises political power. Guys, 0.84

00:34:57.460 that's our last option. You know, we don't live in a yeoman republic or some kind of confederacy

00:35:03.760 here. This hands-off approach that so many Republicans have taken for political power

00:35:08.620 in recent decades doesn't work. You know, the blue cities, the blue states have made clear

00:35:13.220 They want these killers on the streets. They don't want to enforce the law. They're always going to take the side of the criminals over the innocent. And so the only option is for Republicans, one, to win elections and two, to actually wield the political power that they are happily given on some occasions.

00:35:28.700 You know, I really hope that we can get the federal government to step in here and see justice be served.

00:35:34.880 And that will be even more of an argument for the federal government to come in with a heavy hand and correct the problems that have festered at the state and local level for at least the happy time that we still have power.

00:35:48.380 As I was saying, speaking of incompetent, that brings me to Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC.

00:35:54.860 And to the point you were making about the racial dynamic, as we know, one of the reasons Republicans are in power now is because the left is obsessed with identity politics and the American electorate has had enough of that.

00:36:08.120 I do think even many Democrats are over it. They're just over. They're overseeing their kids put through it, themselves put through it at work and so on. And yet their standard bearers, like the MSNBC primetime hosts, will let go of that stuff with their cold, dead hands.

00:36:26.220 So Lawrence O'Donnell, in the midst of this war in Iran, in which there's plenty to discuss, debate, criticize,

00:36:33.000 you could take your pick if you're a detractor of the presidents like Lawrence O'Donnell is.

00:36:38.560 He went here. This is what he did. Take a listen to SOT-11.

00:36:43.120 That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense and by General Dan Cain,

00:36:49.180 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as a longstanding American military rule.

00:36:55.600 never leaving anyone behind. We leave no man behind. That is of course the old

00:37:05.200 school version of the idea back when only men flew American military planes.

00:37:11.540 General Dan Cain, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it this way.

00:37:18.280 we leave no one behind the general knows unlike pete hegseth that that could have been a woman

00:37:27.480 they were trying to rescue and it might be a woman the next time uh so michael noel that was a woke 0.96

00:37:37.200 chairman of the joint chiefs saying no one and that was a sexist pig secretary of war saying no 0.98

00:37:45.580 man left behind. That's the issue in the eyes of Lawrence O'Donnell. Lawrence O'Donnell has become 0.96

00:37:51.380 that meme. You know, the giant transvestite from the bodega, the bodega owner says, oh, 0.92

00:37:57.220 come on up here, sir. He says, actually, it's ma'am. Lawrence O'Donnell is that guy's actually, 0.81

00:38:02.680 Mr. Secretary, it's ma'am. This is a really great mark for the U.S. military and for the

00:38:11.700 trump administration on this rescue mission this rescue mission for the the guy who goes down on

00:38:17.860 good friday and he's rescued on easter sunday this thing was pulled off so flawlessly in iran so

00:38:24.200 improbably that the only thing that that the labels could find to criticize is leave no man

00:38:31.180 behind leave which i think most of us actually support by the way man is a gender neutral noun

00:38:38.000 It can be. In the beginning, God created man. Both male and female created he them.

00:38:43.200 So Lawrence O'Donnell seems to be flunking on on mere English language as well.

00:38:48.320 But but on top of that, yes, you think if I were in the White House right now, I would be feeling very good about myself.

00:38:54.720 Because when it comes to Iran, I argued against strikes on Iran before it happened. 0.63

00:38:59.460 I am very much an Iran skeptic. If the New York Times reporting is to be believed, which, of course, is a big if.

00:39:05.440 It seems like there were a lot of big figures, not just some of the advisors, but including the Secretary of State and the Vice President, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the CIA Director, who all urged a little caution on Iran.

00:39:17.200 So I'm not coming out here as some belligerent war hawk or anything like that. 0.85

00:39:20.840 But I think, all right, if this is the best the Libs have to attack this mission five and a half weeks in, the White House must be feeling pretty good.

00:39:27.960 And especially if they can wrap it up by week six or so, and the best they have is Lawrence O'Donnell saying, well, I just don't like the word that the Secretary of War used on the historically successful mission.

00:39:39.980 You know, those are pretty good marks, and then we can move on to the issues that people are really focused on.

00:39:45.480 Well, I mean, I wish it were that simple, that the public does not approve of this war.

00:39:50.420 The only 30 percent, the low 30s, approves of the war, and it includes a lot of Republicans who are against it, too.

00:39:56.400 If only Lawrence O'Donnell were our biggest problem, that'd be fine.

00:40:01.160 That'd be the good old days, Michael.

00:40:03.040 I miss the good old days when we just had to worry about Lawrence O'Donnell's inane comments

00:40:07.560 and not share some of the disdain for the war ourselves like I do for sure.

00:40:12.280 I know. Well, this is, you know, the fear is if this continues into May, June, July,

00:40:18.920 I mean, the Republicans certainly can kiss the House of Representatives goodbye,

00:40:22.800 but they might kiss the Senate goodbye.

00:40:25.500 I mean, it really could be pretty catastrophic. And so I think, given that we're about five and a half weeks into this thing, and all in all, it hasn't descended into a quagmire yet. We're, you know, we're not looking at a 10-year occupation, hopefully.

00:40:39.000 I would just say this is a good opportunity, assuming the negotiation team does a good job.

00:40:44.620 Guys, let Lawrence O'Donnell be the coda.

00:40:47.840 That's great.

00:40:48.660 That's a win.

00:40:49.600 I'll take it.

00:40:49.980 Because I agree with you, Megan, that the political risk involved in an ongoing military operation is very high.

00:40:56.400 And I do fear that some of that support is soft.

00:40:59.240 I fear that the 90% support, I don't think it'll drop 90 to 98 to, or sorry, 90 to 88.

00:41:05.900 Yeah, yeah. I think if this goes on two months, three months, four months, I think it would drop precipitously.

00:41:12.300 Yeah, I agree. And that's one of the reasons why they need to get Israel in hand, because right now they're bombing the hell out of Lebanon, and Iran's claiming that was part of the deal, and Israel and the United States is claiming it wasn't. 0.82

00:41:24.020 Lebanon's not in the deal, yeah.

00:41:25.380 Yeah, and there's no traffic going in the Strait of Hormuz, and the ceasefire is sort of, I don't know, we're not sure if it's on or off because of this.

00:41:32.840 So it's not great. We need to get them in hand because we do need a ceasefire.

00:41:36.440 The ceasefire was a good negotiation like that.

00:41:38.920 That was a very good development that we'd like to see hold more on that coming up in just a bit.

00:41:43.920 While we're on the subject of deranged leftists who will get some of us off the couch, even if we're feeling somewhat dejected.

00:41:52.440 Let's go up to our evil top hat.

00:41:55.160 That's a Michael Knowles creation.

00:41:56.960 That's saying I always give you credit when I say it. 0.84

00:41:58.900 Our evil top hat is once again up to evil, where the new Democratic Party up there, this MP, she's a member of parliament, Leah Ghazan, has added more letters to the LGBTQ acronym that already exists. 0.65

00:42:19.200 And I'd never heard this before. 0.98

00:42:21.340 There is a translation coming, but listen to this nutcase.

00:42:25.340 When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations.

00:42:38.100 They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+.

00:42:46.640 This is abhorrent. This is callous.

00:42:49.900 This is callous because the very liberal government that has stripped organizations of life-sustaining funding has now promised, committed $13 billion, $13 billion on military spending.

00:43:07.660 Who is paying for it? 0.98

00:43:10.440 Indigenous women across this country, Indigenous women, girls 2SLGBTQQIA+, are not safe.

00:43:18.560 In fact, rates of violence are increasing. And what is the prime minister doing? He is turning a blind eye on this violence.

00:43:27.560 I wish we could turn a blind ear, a deaf ear here.

00:43:31.960 Your colleague, Matt Walsh, gave us the explainer on X to quote him exactly.

00:43:38.660 He writes, for those who don't speak woke retard, I looked it up and apparently MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA plus means missing and murdered indigenous women, girls and two spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual. 0.87

00:44:00.660 asexual. He goes on. So apparently, they've added murdered people into the LGBT community. 0.89

00:44:09.140 Murdered is now a queer identity. This is the kind of innovation we get from Canada. 1.00

00:44:15.480 It's the ultimate victimhood, for sure. I'm actually surprised it took this long. When

00:44:19.780 the woman was speaking, I wondered if that was the liberal version of glossolalia. Is that like

00:44:24.840 libs but you know pentecostals have the glossolalia the the the tongue speaking but i think that was

00:44:31.100 the lib version and so i my colleague matt is typically subtle and when he gave his definition

00:44:42.160 i had to look up not just what the words meant but what the the letters literally meant but what

00:44:48.940 was meant by even stating them why would you include murdered and missing women girls gay

00:44:56.300 two-spirit two-spirit which by the way is a term that the left says was was an ancient

00:45:02.680 indigenous term to refer to people of multiple sexes that's not true it was actually coined by

00:45:08.620 a lesbian in 1990 named Maya Laramie who said it came to her in a dream at the indigenous lesbian

00:45:14.840 conference so even that is a product i think of white liberal civilization in a kind of odd way

00:45:20.580 in but so i looked it up i said okay well how many of these people are missing and murdered and

00:45:25.860 more importantly who's doing the murdering who if these people are are being kidnapped if they're

00:45:31.280 being murdered i think we got to focus on the murderers don't we so i looked it up and it turns

00:45:36.020 out according to multiple studies and data sets that 80 to 86 percent of the time the people who

00:45:43.560 are murdering and kidnapping the people are spouses, friends, relatives, acquaintances. 0.60

00:45:52.380 In other words, the people who are murdering the LMNOP, et cetera, people are the LMNOP, 0.77

00:45:59.600 et cetera, people. 0.71

00:46:00.280 It's people from within their own communities.

00:46:02.700 And so I say, well, that's bad.

00:46:03.940 I don't want anybody to get...

00:46:04.900 It's the second spirit.

00:46:05.540 Yeah, I don't care how many spirits you got.

00:46:07.600 I don't... 1.00

00:46:08.040 I want you to be murdered for it. 0.98

00:46:09.460 But if you want to solve the problem, then I would not blame, as this woman does, this MP in America's Evil Top Hat, I wouldn't blame the white, colonial, patriarchal. 0.99

00:46:19.460 It's not their fault.

00:46:20.600 You've got to blame the M. Night Shyamalan people.

00:46:24.180 So when you focus on those people, you say, well, do you want to stop them from being murdered?

00:46:28.700 No, they don't.

00:46:29.320 They just want to invade against, I don't know, Western hegemony.

00:46:34.200 It's amazing.

00:46:35.200 Like, as if that little line of letters wasn't long enough. 0.99

00:46:39.700 Now we've got to add in missing and murdered indigenous women and girls and two spirits.

00:46:44.580 And by the way, somebody online was saying, best new password ever. 1.00

00:46:48.600 Super secure.

00:46:49.820 You'll never get into your email is the problem.

00:46:51.500 But yeah, it would be good.

00:46:52.520 No one's hacking you, that's for sure.

00:46:54.020 True.

00:46:55.400 Okay, while we're on the subject of bizarre leftists, one more story about the media,

00:47:00.640 and this one is CNN.

00:47:01.940 Now, this isn't a left-right thing, but every once in a while this happens and it's always just so embarrassing. CNN has had to apologize, Michael, for publishing an article remembering the life of Michael J. Fox, who is alive and well and very much not deceased.

00:47:20.960 how does this happen they've now had to apologize to him after sharing a tribute to the back to the

00:47:30.020 future star on wednesday prompting fears he had died at age 64 yes if you see remembering the

00:47:36.100 life of you are led to believe that life has ended they later took the article down and a

00:47:42.100 spokesperson told tmz which broke this news the package was published in error we have removed it

00:47:47.920 from our platforms and sent our apologies to Michael J. Fox and his family. It came after

00:47:52.900 Fox's own representative debunked the report telling TMZ he's doing great. He was at Paley

00:47:58.380 Fest yesterday. He was on stage and was giving interviews, again, very much alive. So I don't

00:48:07.300 know exactly. I truly don't know how this happens because it's happened so often. Like anybody

00:48:12.700 responsible for pressing published on this, like in today's day and age, was somebody who's

00:48:17.760 relatively young would know. Like, let's make sure Twitter constantly leads us to believe this has

00:48:23.140 happened when it has. Like, don't go off Twitter. As far as I know, he wasn't the subject of some

00:48:27.200 hoax on Twitter. But how humiliating. Well, I'll tell you exactly how it happens, Megan.

00:48:32.580 These people don't know anything. And I think a lot of us understand that at a deep level.

00:48:40.500 But then we're fooled because we turn on the TV and the people are wearing suits and ties and

00:48:46.280 they're speaking in a very serious voice or we open up the new york times or the washington post

00:48:50.580 and they have really nice fonts you know really nice serif fonts with with real commanding

00:48:55.800 authoritative lettering i i forget if it was the new york times or the washington post just a week

00:49:00.760 or so ago published a headline a north american treaty organization nato without america it was

00:49:08.360 the times wasn't it and i i said the north american i don't know about any north american

00:49:12.640 Treaty Organization. Are you referring to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? Are you

00:49:17.320 referring to the main Western military alliance for the last 70 years that you, the New York

00:49:22.580 Times, you couldn't even, the whole premise of publishing an article like that is to say that

00:49:28.780 NATO would be incoherent without America because it's the American Treaty Organization. One,

00:49:35.480 there's no evidence we're actually pulling out of NATO, so their first premise is wrong. But then

00:49:39.080 their second one you couldn't even look up the acronym you think wow these people and you know

00:49:43.660 it i mean you and the editors how did he get past the editors but you know this megan because you

00:49:48.140 you read some story on one of these sites and it's if it's about something you don't know anything

00:49:52.120 about so for me i don't know what do i know about uh what's going on in the middle east or what's

00:49:57.240 going on in some advanced sector of the economy i don't know anything so i'm inclined to take their

00:50:01.480 word for it but then i get to the new york yankees and i know a lot about the new york yankees or i

00:50:05.900 get to a story about cigars or whatever i know about ukuleles something i know about and i

00:50:09.860 realize that what i'm reading is totally wrong and yet somehow i still get duped into believing

00:50:15.580 that these guys know what they're talking about on the other side they don't know the most basic 0.63

00:50:20.800 things so i'm really pleased to see that they're still ignorant and michael j fox is alive 0.88

00:50:25.940 yeah and he's still here good for him bad for cnn and bad on the new york times for making that

00:50:32.640 terrible error. How humiliating. Michael Knowles, a pleasure, my friend. Great to see you. Good to

00:50:36.920 see you as always, Megan. Thank you for having me. All right. Up next, Anna Kasparian is here.

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00:51:45.040 Vice President J.D. Vance is headed to Pakistan this weekend, where he will have his work cut

00:51:49.720 out for him. He has been charged by the president with getting a deal that gets the Iranians to

00:51:56.200 permanently end this war. Mr. Trump and the Iranians agreeing to a ceasefire on Tuesday.

00:52:02.000 And despite all the celebrations, it only lasts for two weeks. That is if it kind of really fully

00:52:07.760 gets started. I mean, there's still a lot of fighting going on involving Israel and Iran.

00:52:13.320 The ceasefire is fragile. That's a major understatement. The Iranians say they've now

00:52:18.840 opened the Strait of Hormuz as part of the deal. You remember yesterday, they kind of said they

00:52:25.940 were closing it. And that dovetails with what we saw reported. The New York Times reported that

00:52:30.380 the waterway yesterday had its lowest ship traffic since the war started. Zero oil or gas tankers

00:52:37.120 made the crossing. So like, that's the main thing we wanted in the ceasefire. We were going to stop

00:52:41.960 bombing them and they were going to open the Strait, but then they didn't open the Strait 0.77

00:52:44.520 because our great, our super great and loyal partner, Israel, kept bombing Lebanon. 0.99

00:52:49.080 And the Iranians are like, hello, that's part of the deal. 0.90

00:52:52.460 They say that was included.

00:52:54.100 The Americans say, oh, no, that was never part of the deal.

00:52:56.760 Well, I'm not sure the Americans are telling the truth

00:53:00.580 because the Pakistani prime minister who announced the deal

00:53:04.800 said in his very first deal point that it included Lebanon.

00:53:08.240 And that guy's talking points were clearly drafted for him by the Trump White House.

00:53:14.940 That seemed obvious.

00:53:15.860 They deny it.

00:53:16.860 But his little draft of his talking points announcing the deal, he erroneously tweeted

00:53:22.280 it out and it said, like, from the Pakistani prime minister.

00:53:26.700 Now, obviously, the Pakistani prime minister, his people wouldn't have said Pakistani prime

00:53:32.020 minister.

00:53:32.400 They would have just said this is from our prime minister.

00:53:34.560 and it looked very much like it had been generated by the Americans and the White House.

00:53:41.260 So it seems clear to me we did understand that Lebanon was part of the deal. 0.91

00:53:47.540 That's why it wound up as the very first bullet point

00:53:51.280 in the Pakistani prime minister's announcement of the ceasefire.

00:53:56.080 But then our super great and most important allies, Israel, started bombing or continued bombing 0.54

00:54:01.500 Lebanon to the high heavens when they just they got so excited that a ceasefire was happening

00:54:08.820 like and I mean negatively excited that they just started a carpet bomb that Beirut and

00:54:15.960 Trump seems to have just kind of gone with oh okay that wasn't part of the deal because he 0.74

00:54:20.180 couldn't get Bibi to back down from it like the bloodthirsty Netanyahu was like oh no I'm doing it

00:54:25.260 I wasn't part of this and I didn't agree to it and I'm bombing them to kingdom come

00:54:30.480 All right. So now we're kind of pretending this is my own view. The White House says it's official.

00:54:35.960 I think it's not true. We're kind of pretending that we agreed Lebanon would not be part of the

00:54:41.100 ceasefire. And Iran is on the other side. Like, screw you people. It was part of the deal. And 0.83

00:54:46.520 the strait is closed. Or maybe it's open. Unclear. The ceasefire is not going beautifully. But look,

00:54:55.920 it's a noble goal. We want it to take. We hope it's successful. And it's much, much better than

00:55:02.820 eradicating a civilization for all time as the president was threatening Tuesday morning.

00:55:09.960 This is what one day after Lebanon's health minister said more than 200 people had just

00:55:15.100 been killed, more than 1000 wounded by these Israeli strikes on Wednesday alone. So yes,

00:55:20.220 we were very much like the bombing to stop Prime Minister Netanyahu.

00:55:26.060 I mean, this guy, it's truly like Mark Levin by another name.

00:55:29.280 He today announced that Israel will now open direct negotiations with Lebanon

00:55:35.300 over disarming Hezbollah.

00:55:39.020 And, you know, look, Hezbollah hasn't always had the greatest control over Hezbollah,

00:55:42.460 so we'll see how that goes.

00:55:43.660 And establishing peaceful relations between Israel and Lebanon.

00:55:46.500 OK, that's not exactly how he sounded on camera 24 hours ago.

00:55:51.460 He he he was really excited about the prospect to keep this thing going.

00:55:59.180 Just even despite announcing that they're going to talk with the Lebanese and Israeli officials telling Axios right now that Israel is not observing a ceasefire in Lebanon.

00:56:08.740 So it's like, OK, we'll talk, but we're going to continue bombing you to smithereens.

00:56:12.160 And here is what Netanyahu said yesterday.

00:56:15.000 There's a voiceover, so you can hear it in English.

00:56:17.200 This is yesterday in Tel Aviv.

00:56:18.840 Listen to this.

00:56:19.380 Sade. 0.83

00:56:20.800 Iran is weaker than ever, and Israel is stronger than ever. 0.88

00:56:25.920 And that is the bottom line of this operation until this point. 0.97

00:56:30.140 And I'd like to stress, we still have some goals to accomplish, and we will achieve these

00:56:36.180 goals, either through agreement and consensus or through renewal of the war, because we

00:56:43.360 are ready to do so whenever necessary. Our finger is on the trigger. As you all know,

00:56:50.660 a temporary ceasefire came into effect tonight, a two-week one between Iran and the U.S. in

00:56:57.460 coordination with Israel. No, they did not surprise us at the last moment. And I would

00:57:02.060 like to emphasize, this is not the end of the campaign. It is merely a preparation on our way

00:57:08.600 to achieve all of our goals so he'll decide when the end comes not our president uh joining us now

00:57:17.360 is anna kasparian she's executive producer and host of the young turks great to see you again

00:57:21.180 anna you what do you make of this back and forth and his latest statements well i think if americans

00:57:27.960 are serious about ending our involvement in these endless wars we really have to rethink the u.s

00:57:35.660 alliance with Israel, because Israel's goals, I think it's become very clear, are different,

00:57:41.080 very different from the objectives of the United States. Israel wants to expand its borders. That

00:57:49.000 is precisely the reason why Israel invaded Lebanon days after they go to the United States 0.54

00:57:56.560 to fight its war for them against Iran. Now, with the United States distracted, fighting Iran, 0.75

00:58:03.080 that allows for the IDF to go in under the false premise of disarming Hezbollah.

00:58:08.920 The notion that Netanyahu is going to hold direct negotiations with the Lebanese,

00:58:14.380 there's a little trick there that I want to decode for the audience because it's important.

00:58:18.400 So in Lebanon right now, you have a government, the Lebanese government,

00:58:23.560 which is incredibly weak and deferential to the Israelis. Right now, the only thing stopping the 0.76

00:58:31.580 Israelis from encroaching into Lebanese territory and annexing more land, which, by the way,

00:58:38.920 Israel has been very clear that they plan on annexing southern Lebanon. That's what this 0.55

00:58:43.420 is really about. It's not really about Hezbollah. They want to annex southern Lebanon. If you look

00:58:47.920 at Israel's history, you will see that Israel has carried out multiple invasions into Lebanon,

00:58:54.280 including in the 1980s, which led to the formation of Hezbollah as a resistance group.

00:59:01.580 So Hezbollah is really the only challenge to Israel when it comes to annexing land in Lebanon.

00:59:07.540 So Hezbollah is different from the government, right?

00:59:10.200 So they are not in cahoots at all.

00:59:12.480 It's an established political party that has widespread support in southern Lebanon.

00:59:17.740 I want to be clear about that.

00:59:19.440 But they are willing to use, you know, force, right, any force necessary in order to push

00:59:27.420 back against the IDF's attempts at annexing land.

00:59:30.860 So the Israelis can have as many conversations with the Lebanese government as they want, but the Lebanese government has no control over Hezbollah. And in fact, disarming Hezbollah would lead to a serious civil war in Lebanon. It's impossible. The Lebanese military is incredibly weak. Hezbollah is actually stronger than the Lebanese military, by the way, by design.

00:59:53.480 So if you look at these Middle Eastern countries and how leadership has changed or how regime changes have taken place, it's always in an effort to install a puppet government or a puppet regime that will be deferential to Israel and its expansionist policies, or they will do regime change in an effort to destabilize a country, which is what happened in Lebanon. 0.66

01:00:14.620 I'm sorry, in Libya and also Syria. 0.52

01:00:17.360 I mean, I watch these maneuvers like we did Netanyahu's war for him. We did what he wanted us to do. And now, thank God, we're trying to end it. And he clearly doesn't like that. He's bombing the hell out of Lebanon right as we say we're trying to have a ceasefire here.

01:00:39.100 And the first bullet point of the proposed deal is includes Lebanon.

01:00:44.060 So what does he do? 0.98

01:00:45.100 He unleashes hell on Lebanon. 0.86

01:00:47.620 He clearly is trying to clear the deal. 0.54

01:00:49.360 And I think, how dare you?

01:00:51.600 How dare you?

01:00:53.340 I mean, why isn't this just one phone call from President Trump to him to say, no, we're

01:00:59.120 not going to go along with the lie that Lebanon wasn't part of the deal. 0.98

01:01:03.320 You are going to get your shit together and do what I tell you to because you're the junior 0.99

01:01:07.580 partner in the deal. 0.99

01:01:08.460 I think there are multiple factors to look at. And this is a big question that Tucker Carlson has been asking through his monologues. And I'm glad he's asking these questions because it's really important that we Americans live in a sovereign country where our elected leaders represent our best interests.

01:01:26.180 What we've been seeing in regard to US foreign policy is decisions being made that are not at

01:01:32.460 all beneficial for the American people. And certainly starting this war with Iran is a

01:01:37.080 perfect example of it. First of all, let me just thank you for the interview you did yesterday 1.00

01:01:42.200 with Piers Morgan, because you hit the nail on the head. There's no question that Trump was

01:01:48.720 honestly manipulated by the Israelis who put into his head this notion that a war against Iran would 0.90

01:01:55.100 be easy. It would be simple, even though experts and I'm not even talking about experts, just 0.95

01:02:00.440 ordinary people in the media who are paying close attention could have told Trump that Iran is going

01:02:06.340 to close the Strait of Hormuz. That is where their leverage is. But he did it anyway. And there is no

01:02:12.320 easy military strategy to take control of the Strait of Hormuz if you pay close attention.

01:02:18.920 Just to interject, Israel reportedly told Trump, Netanyahu reportedly told Trump at that meeting

01:02:23.700 that the Iranians would be so weakened by our initial strikes that they couldn't effect control

01:02:29.400 over the Strait of Hormuz. Completely wrong. Keep going. That is completely wrong. Exactly.

01:02:34.540 And, you know, here's the here's the telling part of that entire conversation.

01:02:38.760 OK, well, if Iran is so weakened, why don't you send the IDF in there?

01:02:44.340 Why are you trying to get the United States to send their service members in there?

01:02:48.360 Isn't that kind of strange?

01:02:50.060 So and then after the war began, the Israelis were asked if they're going to send boots

01:02:55.560 on the ground since they were urging the United States to send our service members on the

01:03:00.300 ground.

01:03:00.600 And they said, no, no, we're not. 0.93

01:03:03.440 Just as was the case with Iraq. 0.72

01:03:05.760 So, look, I think that what we see with Israel is something very different than what we have 0.85

01:03:12.860 in terms of our relationships with other countries on the globe. 0.98

01:03:16.360 Right.

01:03:17.460 Usually our lawmakers will make decisions, questioning war and peace, right? Questions

01:03:23.980 of war and peace. They will make decisions that are taking into consideration what's in our best

01:03:29.480 interest. But when it comes to Israel, it's a completely different story. And we have to ask

01:03:33.620 ourselves, why? Why does Israel have that type of influence over our government? Because if they do, 0.99

01:03:40.840 and if we have lawmakers and members of the executive branch looking out for a foreign 0.72

01:03:45.160 country before they look out for us. We don't live in a sovereign country. And I do think that

01:03:49.920 the Israel lobby is part of this. I do think that blackmail is part of this. OK, as upset as people 0.95

01:03:55.860 get when you say it. I mean, the Epstein cover up, I think it goes beyond just covering up for

01:04:03.140 pedophiles. I think that there is an actual system in place to blackmail people in positions of power

01:04:10.380 to carry out the best interests of Israel. I mean, you look at that. That's very interesting. 0.64

01:04:14.360 You look at the Epstein files, Megan. Please pay attention to the audience, you know, to DropSite's reporting on this because DropSite looked through all the documents that we have access to and they went beyond like, oh, who's a pedophile? Who's doing this? No, no. They wanted to see who is Epstein working for? And DropSite was able to draw direct links to the Israeli government. Epstein was working for the Israeli government. Now, was he, you know.

01:04:41.500 No, you're an anti-Semite if you say that, Anna. You're an anti-Semite. You hate Jewish people 0.97

01:04:46.220 if you say that. I guess the truth is anti-Semitic, but I'm going to keep speaking the truth because 1.00

01:04:50.720 it's important for Americans to know what's going on. Yeah. Wait, this is, you're kind of blowing

01:04:56.080 my mind right now because I have heard some people suggest maybe there's some blackmail here. Like

01:05:01.760 what got Trump to listen to Bibi Netanyahu to contradict his own campaign promises,

01:05:08.660 repeated campaign promises, was explicit about no more Middle East wars. Not just no more war,

01:05:15.280 no more Middle East wars. And yes, it said Iran can't get a nuclear weapon, but promised no wars

01:05:21.060 and had already bombed Iran's nuclear facilities. So what was it that persuaded him to do this?

01:05:27.920 And I heard Joe Kent tell Tucker, maybe there was some sort of a blackmail situation. It was like,

01:05:34.060 he was maybe perhaps slightly less explicit about it, but he was clearly intimating.

01:05:38.680 It's possible that the president was blackmailed or something was held over his head.

01:05:42.380 Maybe there was something he, I think he mentioned like Trump's family could be hurt.

01:05:46.280 Something could happen. And it was speculation. It wasn't like, I know it, I've seen everything

01:05:51.160 and it was there. So I kind of was like, oh, I guess who am I to rule it out? I don't know.

01:05:55.420 But this is the first time I've had somebody tie it together with Epstein because Anna,

01:06:02.020 What are the two biggest betrayals of the MAGA base since Trump took office?

01:06:10.000 Or I guess now we need to talk about it as the America First base because there's a split.

01:06:14.740 It's been Epstein and this.

01:06:17.540 Like the two things that felt completely like a middle finger to the people who elected Trump, like the core Republicans who had elected Trump.

01:06:25.300 They did not see Epstein as a nothing burger, and they definitely held or intended to hold him to his promise of no more Middle East wars.

01:06:33.640 And you're saying it's no accident that those are the two that he betrayed people on, that there may have been, there may be something that made him feel vulnerable on Epstein or somebody around him he's concerned about that was vulnerable on Epstein.

01:06:47.760 And the people who maybe had that information wanted a payment in military blood and treasure.

01:06:55.300 Yeah, I mean, look, I do think that there is a connection with what happened or how the Epstein files were handled. But even if the Epstein files in no way implicate Donald Trump, there's one other factor that I want to bring up.

01:07:10.120 And it's actually a factor that you yourself have experienced on a very personal level. 0.66

01:07:15.180 There are, in my opinion, people within our country who are less interested in their American patriotism and more interested in serving as Israeli operatives.

01:07:29.920 And I think Mark Levin happens to be one of those people.

01:07:32.520 So these pressure campaigns, these threats, these efforts to literally destroy your life and your livelihood if you don't play ball, I do think that those intimidation tactics have been very successful in this country, and it's about time we push back, and I'm happy to see that people like you are pushing back.

01:07:51.520 I'm pushing back myself. I've lost jobs. I've lost opportunities as a result of how vocal I've

01:07:58.140 been on this issue. But I care about my country more than I care about my pocketbook. And it's

01:08:02.500 really important for us to live in a sovereign country. On top of that, when it comes to the

01:08:06.560 manipulation tactics that were used against Trump, not to rob him of his agency. At the end of the

01:08:10.960 day, he's the commander in chief and he made the decision. However, we can't deny the fact that

01:08:16.340 Trump has an ego, as anyone who wants to be president very likely has. And it's easy to

01:08:23.160 manipulate him by stroking his ego. So telling him these magical stories about how he's going

01:08:30.460 to be the world's hero by demolishing the Iranian regime and freeing the Iranian people,

01:08:36.360 and it's going to be so easy, and you're going to get so much credit for it. I think those

01:08:39.920 manipulation tactics are also very effective on someone like Donald Trump, who likes to see

01:08:44.460 himself as a hero. I think that's all you need. Yeah. That's all you need. I don't think you need

01:08:48.460 to go blackmail. I mean, I'm, I'm open-minded to the possibility of blackmail because honestly,

01:08:52.340 my, my past nine months have proven to me that there's nothing, they will stop at nothing to

01:08:58.160 get you to bend the knee, nothing. And I'm just a podcaster. I'm a journalist. Imagine if you're

01:09:04.040 the president of the United States. I don't think they would stop at anything. And I, I mean,

01:09:09.820 Israel and its emissaries, foreign and domestic. Um, I, I actually believe that Mark Levin would

01:09:18.660 like to have me killed. I do believe it. I think he'd be thrilled to see me taken out. Like 0.65

01:09:23.560 actually that's so fucking crazy to me, Anna. Like I, there's no one, no one politically who

01:09:29.620 I would ever wish that upon ever. There's no one whose death I would celebrate. There's no one

01:09:33.600 whom I would intentionally endanger with really crazy ass rhetoric. He knows what he says about 0.97

01:09:42.460 Tucker, about me, about many others is actually endangering, you know, to, to over and over 0.83

01:09:49.880 call somebody a neo-Nazi, um, to suggest that they want Jews killed because they say things like

01:09:56.940 young people no longer support israel it's so irresponsible it's it's lunacy it is and so 0.95

01:10:04.800 there's something wrong there there's something wrong there's something going on there not only 0.58

01:10:08.660 that i mean it's when you listen to the way that he talks about war and what should be considered

01:10:17.340 you know as one of the many options especially in this war against iran i mean he's totally fine

01:10:24.220 with using nukes against Iran, wiping out an entire population of innocent people who,

01:10:30.640 you know, we were all told that the Israelis want to liberate from the regime, right? This is why 0.90

01:10:36.940 I just didn't buy the narrative from the very beginning. And people thought I was being cruel.

01:10:41.920 People were thinking that I'm being supportive of the IRGC. I don't know if people realize this.

01:10:47.480 I don't believe in living under a theocracy, number one, and the rules that they have

01:10:54.000 given their, you know, theocratic interpretation. I just I reject wholeheartedly. However,

01:11:00.260 that doesn't mean I'm going to be stupid enough to believe for a second that the current Israeli 0.98

01:11:05.480 government gives a damn about the liberation of the Iranian people. And this idea that in order 0.96

01:11:11.560 to liberate people, you have to bomb them and kill them is ridiculous. So, yeah, when it comes 1.00

01:11:16.560 to people like Mark Levin, I think what you're kind of getting at is his demonstrable lack of

01:11:25.260 concern for human life, for innocent human life. Yes. So that tells me that there are

01:11:34.140 emissaries of Israel who will stop at nothing in order to get you to bend the knee. And that's like 0.84

01:11:40.100 the thing that's so crazy. It's not about me at all, but my example is telling because I've been

01:11:45.980 so pro-Israel. And he and his little friends started coming for me so hard on the most

01:11:52.080 mild comments about Israel that it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's happening here? 0.53

01:11:58.140 And I know that people who had already gone before me down that lane were kind of happy to see it

01:12:03.420 happen to me just because they were like, you see, do you see now what they do? And I do see now,

01:12:10.540 I see very clearly and I'm horrified. 1.00

01:12:13.580 And it's really caused me to reevaluate the country, the country of Israel and like how 0.99

01:12:18.240 they manipulate people, AIPAC, the media, the ones they're given the free tours of Israel 0.96

01:12:22.820 to come now, like you'll love it.

01:12:24.820 At what price?

01:12:26.200 Like, why?

01:12:26.980 Why are both parties, why are the loudest people against this war some podcasters in

01:12:32.480 the independent lane, Anna, as opposed to where like the Democrats there, they haven't

01:12:38.060 said anything.

01:12:38.500 I can't think of one prominent Democrat has been like leading the fight against this.

01:12:42.480 Never mind Republicans.

01:12:43.940 You know, it's podcasters.

01:12:45.780 It's kind of crazy.

01:12:47.160 Well, it's interesting because, you know, historically, the left has always been a little

01:12:53.480 suspicious of the U.S.-Israeli alliance, has been far more critical of how Israel has

01:12:59.420 prosecuted, you know, wars and especially what they carried out in Gaza.

01:13:04.180 I mean, but but here's what kind of changed as a result of how Israel prosecuted the war in Gaza, which I believe is a genocide based on now multiple organizations, including organizations within Israel who call it a genocide.

01:13:19.340 But putting that aside, that whole situation started to wake others up, right, conservative people up. And when Israel is starting to lose the support of American conservatives, they know that overall support for Israel from the United States is in jeopardy, which is why I think the campaigns against people like you, Charlie Kirk, before he was killed, were far more vicious, far more vicious than even the, you know, campaigns

01:13:49.120 against me. The campaigns against me have been terrible. They've gone after family members of

01:13:52.600 mine who aren't political at all, don't even know what's going on. They don't pay attention to

01:13:56.020 international news, right? They're in a completely different world. And suddenly,

01:14:00.120 you know, their employers are calling them into the office to ask about my political views.

01:14:05.340 That's how vicious these people are. That's how vicious they are. But I've seen them be far more

01:14:10.540 vicious with you. I mean, you are and have been historically very supportive of Israel. 1.00

01:14:15.440 I remember this whole thing with you began when you refused to denounce Candace Owens.

01:14:20.420 How about how about you're responsible for what you say and Candace is responsible for

01:14:24.740 what she says, period, period, end of story.

01:14:28.000 Right.

01:14:28.620 And that started against me.

01:14:30.640 Like now they want to pretend that it's all about I won't denounce Candace on Erica Kirk.

01:14:34.980 And that's not where it started.

01:14:37.100 And that, of course, I disagree with Candace about Erica.

01:14:39.920 And Candace knows that in the world knows that I said it repeatedly.

01:14:42.120 But what they're really mad about is that I wouldn't denounce Candace asking questions about Israel in the wake of Charlie's death.

01:14:51.020 And you hit on one of the reasons why Charlie and I bonded in this now famous conversation we had a month before he was murdered over the immense pressure being put on both of us to be to remain very pro-Israel.

01:15:06.320 And we both were annoyed, exasperated and deeply offended by already the terms being used about us for the mildest of conversations we had had about Epstein.

01:15:18.940 He he had had it. He was also trying to give voice to young peoples, just young people had already started turning on Israel, even within the Republican Party.

01:15:27.380 And he was trying to give voice to that. No, you're not allowed to. And that text message thread that ultimately came out that he was having behind the scenes saying he's had it with the Jewish donors who are threatening him. So they really wanted me to say how bad Candace was for even mentioning Israel in the wake of Charlie's death.

01:15:43.780 And I wouldn't condemn her because I favored her asking those questions 100 percent, even though I think Tyler Robinson did it.

01:15:51.760 I'm fine with asking questions about, was it only Tyler?

01:15:55.380 Who else may have been involved?

01:15:56.660 Was is that crazy for her to ask?

01:15:58.740 Absolutely not.

01:15:59.760 and they couldn't, because I'm entitled to that belief

01:16:03.660 and because Charlie and I had been going

01:16:04.920 through the same thing, the same exact thing

01:16:07.540 at the same exact time with the same evolution

01:16:09.860 happening to both of us simultaneously

01:16:11.760 because they couldn't really get me on that.

01:16:14.900 They just waited until they found something

01:16:17.180 that they thought would be more persuasive,

01:16:18.900 which is now she's saying these terrible things

01:16:20.520 about Erica, let's admit you,

01:16:21.940 you will condemn her over Erica or you're a bad person.

01:16:26.160 And I said, absolutely not, we're not playing that game.

01:16:28.820 And some people still believe the lie that that's what it's about. It's not what it's about. And I will never bend the knee to these bullies who tortured Charlie at a minimum. They tortured Charlie in his last two months on Earth. That's a fact. I will never bend the knee to them. So that's where we.

01:16:46.460 Yeah. And in fact, you know, say what you will about, you know, any of the other commentary that Candace has done. You do have to give her credit for revealing the truth about what Charlie Kirk was experiencing in the final months of his life. It's important for people to know that which they denied. Exactly. They called her a liar. She was right.

01:17:05.320 Yeah. And, you know, the other thing, just quickly going back to the Epstein files, which I found fascinating. The specific personalities in American media that seem to want to engage in the cover up, I think that's telling, right?

01:17:22.620 the various members of U.S. media that kept repeating over and over again that the American

01:17:27.880 people don't really care about the Epstein files. The Epstein files don't matter. Oh,

01:17:32.620 Americans are paying attention to other things that matter more to them. No, no, they cared

01:17:36.840 about the Epstein files and they still care about the Epstein files. But they do care.

01:17:40.920 But we should pay attention to the various media figures who downplayed it, who said it wasn't

01:17:46.440 important, who, quite frankly, appear to be part of this effort to cover up the Epstein files.

01:17:53.400 Why? Why do those people engage in that type of commentary? What are they afraid of when it comes

01:17:58.140 to the release of the Epstein files? Just something to keep in mind. And now now we've

01:18:03.360 been misled on the Epstein files yet again because we had this bill passed into law demanding these

01:18:09.880 disclosures with huge exceptions that allowed the DOJ to remove really any problematic documents

01:18:17.100 that they thought made this person or that look bad. So now we have, it's almost worse than had

01:18:23.060 nothing been released because we have almost fake transparency where they can say like,

01:18:26.940 oh, everything's been released. It's like, no, trust me, as a lawyer, I see the glaring

01:18:32.260 loopholes in this law so clearly. It's like next to as good as doing nothing. And now we get,

01:18:39.100 now they can pretend that they've done full disclosure the doj says it's done disclosing

01:18:43.460 all documents and there's some trove someplace that has who knows what in it and i don't know

01:18:49.100 whether we'll ever know the full truth what do you think i mean we still don't know the full

01:18:53.540 truth about jfk's assassination they didn't release all the jfk files which i find a little

01:18:58.740 questionable right and i disagree a little bit in that i'm glad they released what they did release

01:19:05.500 I mean, you have to admit, I mean, the members of Trump's administration did not do a good job in covering up what they did actually end up releasing. Right. So thanks to what they did release, we were able to draw those direct links between Epstein and the Israeli government when it came to other deals.

01:19:24.180 Like Epstein was very much involved in foreign policy, in striking deals between Israel and the UAE, in striking deals with Israel and other countries as it pertains to cyber weapons. And so those narratives aren't as sexy. It's not as scandalous for Americans because it doesn't involve disgusting people in positions of power who happen to be disgusting pedophiles and freaks.

01:19:48.700 However, I do think it's important to understand how Epstein was used as a tool by intelligence organizations. Right. And Mossad. 0.55

01:19:58.820 Okay, but here, so we have to talk about this.

01:20:00.740 We have to talk about this

01:20:01.740 because that's the discussion I had with Charlie

01:20:04.640 at the Turning Point event last July

01:20:06.800 that kicked it all off.

01:20:09.200 I went out on stage with him

01:20:11.080 and Charlie wanted to make the whole thing

01:20:13.700 about Pam Bondi, who had just stepped on a rake 0.53

01:20:16.760 with that ridiculous DOJ memo saying,

01:20:20.740 we're not gonna be releasing anything more about Epstein.

01:20:23.020 And Charlie said to me backstage,

01:20:25.700 he was like, let's do Bondi.

01:20:27.700 and he was like go for it like he said to tucker infamously now go max famously which we know

01:20:34.120 because i have that moment on tape and i released it um but he said to me to like go for it on bondi

01:20:41.860 and he basically told me he can't do it because he's close with the administration and he didn't

01:20:46.660 want to be seen in a position of like really attacking any of their top emissaries and i was

01:20:50.900 happy to do it because i'd been doing it on my show all week it's not like i just did it for

01:20:53.620 charlie but he wanted me to sort of repeat what i've been saying on stage at turning point i'm

01:20:57.540 like, great. I'm like, you take it where you want me to take it because he was leading a Q&A with

01:21:01.320 me. And we went to Epstein, right? We spent a fair amount of time on, that's really what it was all

01:21:07.060 about. Pam Bondi and her multiple Fox appearances and how there's no there there and does the base

01:21:11.080 care? Charlie did a shout out to the audience. Do you care about Epstein? And they were all like,

01:21:14.700 yes, we care. And then he asked, do I think that Epstein worked for intelligence? And I said,

01:21:19.940 you know, it seems like he did. Whose do you think it was? Well, it's probably Israeli. I'm like,

01:21:24.720 I don't know. I'm not an expert, but that's what it seems to me. And that was the moment

01:21:28.900 that got turned around on both of us as we're now anti-Semites too, like so pro-Israel, Anna,

01:21:35.920 you know, the past few years, like ardently pro-Israel, defending everything. I didn't

01:21:40.640 really follow the war, to be honest with you, like the days, ins and outs of what they were

01:21:44.120 doing over there, but like anything that happened to an American Jewish person on campus, et cetera.

01:21:47.700 and Charlie Same and like official American,

01:21:53.880 like Jewish organizations coming out

01:21:56.600 and condemning the two of us as anti-Semites.

01:21:58.380 And we were both like, what?

01:22:00.840 But now it's starting to make sense.

01:22:03.400 It wasn't accidental that the action was outsized.

01:22:08.380 The reaction was outsized to the alleged sin

01:22:11.020 because they couldn't have us go there.

01:22:14.840 This is what you're saying.

01:22:15.960 and this is starting to make perfect sense to me. Iran has never posed an actual threat to the

01:22:20.500 United States. They didn't have nuclear weapons and their missiles did not have the capacity to

01:22:25.320 hit the United States. Iran has always been a challenge. Our own intelligence agency said that 1.00

01:22:30.780 right before we launched this war. Exactly, exactly. But Iran has always posed a challenge

01:22:35.960 to Israel's expansionist policy known as the Greater Israel Project. And you need to wipe 1.00

01:22:42.720 Iran out if you want to be able to expand your borders. And that's exactly what they're doing 1.00

01:22:46.540 right now in Lebanon. Yeah, because Iran is 10 times the size of Israel and therefore actually 0.93

01:22:53.100 could stop it and has been, you know, a potential threat to it. And yeah, if Iran is sown in chaos, 0.86

01:23:01.240 great. Israel has zero problem with that. They'd love to leave it a complete quagmire mess and have 0.97

01:23:07.120 us up to our necks in it. They don't care whether we're involved in that or whether Americans are

01:23:11.640 dying on the, you know, whatever these, I'm trying to think of the name of the island,

01:23:16.720 Karg Island, they couldn't care less. 0.52

01:23:19.020 Nope. 0.98

01:23:19.160 It's just as long as it's a distraction and Israel can't focus on, or Iran can't focus 0.90

01:23:24.720 on Israel. 0.98

01:23:25.260 And that's why, that is why I believe they refused to stop bombing Lebanon and got us 0.95

01:23:33.140 to lie about it. 0.90

01:23:34.440 Because it seems very clear to me, Anna, there's no, we definitely drafted that prime

01:23:38.660 minister statement that definitely came from us.

01:23:41.640 And the first bullet point said the ceasefire includes Lebanon.

01:23:45.340 And then they kept bombing Lebanon, Israel did, queering our ceasefire.

01:23:50.460 And it seems very clear to me that Netanyahu must have told Trump, I'm not going along with that.

01:23:55.840 You know, it's fine. 0.87

01:23:56.720 You can say what you want about Iran, but I'm not stopping on Hezbollah. 0.96

01:24:00.400 And Trump had to accept it.

01:24:02.000 And rather than look like we were weak, Trump just said, oh, it was never part of the deal.

01:24:07.780 Yeah. And by the way, it's also the case that at a minimum, the New York Times is reporting this today. We reviewed the prime minister's bullet points. So like it looks like we drafted them. But the New York Times is reporting today that we actually approved them. We saw them before he released them. Of course we did. Pakistan had nothing to do with this. They just came in to broker a ceasefire, which they they quote unquote did. I mean, that too was a lie.

01:24:32.140 Clearly, Trump wanted a ceasefire. 0.85

01:24:34.160 He saved face by getting Pakistan involved and sort of made them be the ones to like 0.68

01:24:37.900 ask for it and suggest it. 0.99

01:24:39.320 This is how it's done.

01:24:40.680 And then we wrote the guy's talking points.

01:24:43.900 We obviously approved the talking points.

01:24:45.680 And then Netanyahu wouldn't go along.

01:24:47.660 To me, it seems very, very clear. 0.60

01:24:49.460 But once again, it's the Israelis doing whatever the hell they want. 0.95

01:24:52.820 And the Americans left holding the bag. 0.93

01:24:55.740 Yes, that's exactly right.

01:24:57.180 And, you know, one other thing that I'll say is days before the war started, you had the mediator from Oman on on one of the Sunday shows speaking with Margaret Brennan, and he had disclosed what the outcome of the negotiations were.

01:25:13.600 These are the negotiations involving Iran, Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, and Oman was mediating those negotiations. So the mediator goes on the Sunday show and basically says, Iran is willing to give up their enriched uranium.

01:25:28.400 They are willing to go further than the Iranians were willing to go in Obama's Iran nuclear deal

01:25:35.480 known as the JCPOA. I remember watching that and seeing Margaret Brennan just shocked at how far

01:25:41.980 Iran was willing to go in order to avoid war. But it's really interesting because Steve Whitcoff,

01:25:48.540 same weekend, also goes on the Sunday shows, and he lies about what the Iranians were willing to

01:25:55.900 sacrifice, to give up, to concede in order to prevent war. Why did he do that? Why did he

01:26:01.820 sabotage peace? And so that makes me a little- We know why. It makes me very concerned. We know

01:26:07.840 why, because Netanyahu was making the pitch to Trump that the Ayatollah and his top emissaries

01:26:14.580 were going to be above ground on this certain date at the end of February. And it was the

01:26:18.840 opportunity of a lifetime to take him out. You'll be hailed as a hero. And we heard my old pal Mark

01:26:24.580 Thieson on Fox News actually tell Mark Levin that this was going to be seen as like the greatest

01:26:28.820 military battle since the American Revolution or victory since the American. I mean, like

01:26:32.580 that sort of like huge soaring rhetoric about how Trump would be seen his place in history.

01:26:39.880 And he got talked into it. That's. And so, of course, you know, Whitcoff and Kushner

01:26:45.060 were like, OK, fine. You know, like they didn't cave on all of our points. There was plenty of

01:26:50.120 reason to be like, they suck, you know, forget them. We're going to do this thing that I want 0.99

01:26:55.180 to do anyway. That's, that seems to me how it went down. And that's what the reporting supports.

01:27:00.120 And here we are. All right, standby. I have to take a quick break. We're not done. We're going

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01:29:59.460 Anna Kasparian is back with me now. So where do we go from here? How do you see this going? Right. Given given all the relative concerns and goals of the players we've been discussing, how do you see it going from here?

01:30:10.720 I think that there is no stopping the very real awakening that's happening among Americans right

01:30:18.460 now. And so I've noticed that there is a successful tactic that the Israelis use, 1.00

01:30:25.780 I believe, in our own country, but certainly in their neighboring countries. What they like to do 1.00

01:30:31.020 is pit people against each other. So they're so busy fighting each other that they're distracted

01:30:38.600 from what israel's up to right and i think that that has happened to some extent here in the

01:30:42.400 united states there are americans on the left and right who are aware of what's going on but i do see

01:30:50.580 some figures who are like terrified of like building coalitions or working with the other side

01:30:55.900 on changing our system on this very issue on this specific issue it doesn't mean you have to agree

01:31:00.520 on everything else doesn't mean you have to start a family with someone on the opposite end of the

01:31:04.000 political aisle. But I do think that Americans need to wake up from tribal thinking where they

01:31:10.140 think like my side is perfect, their side is evil. No, no. There are areas of important agreement

01:31:16.880 between the two sides. And so if there is an area where we can work together to maybe change

01:31:23.700 some of the influences that are baked into our government that allow for our politicians to

01:31:29.160 serve the best interests of a foreign country over our own, like we need to work together to

01:31:33.000 change that immediately. I mean, it's happening organically, don't you think, with the approval 0.96

01:31:38.240 rating of Israel going down so precipitously amongst Americans? That's going to happen

01:31:43.460 naturally. AIPAC cannot spend its way out of that with these politicians, because I really think

01:31:49.300 next presidential election, the issue of Israel and being controlled by donations from AIPAC

01:31:56.380 is going to be an issue we're going to hear about on both sides as we ferret out who the proper

01:32:01.720 nominee should be. Yeah, absolutely. In fact, just yesterday on The Young Turks, I made a point

01:32:09.660 about how, you know, if you are a Democrat who's in a solidly red district, you don't have a chance

01:32:18.280 in hell of getting a Democrat elected. Get active in the primaries for the Republican race, right?

01:32:25.260 Like what I would do if I were in that kind of position. I mean, I'm in California, so I'm not

01:32:28.680 in that position. But if I were, I would look at the two Republican candidates in the primary and

01:32:34.320 ask myself, do either one of them reject money from the Israel lobby? And if one of them does,

01:32:41.060 I'm going to cast my ballot for that Republican, right? Because you've got to think strategically

01:32:46.060 about what you want our country to look like. And you're not going to improve it if you're so

01:32:50.720 obsessed with your own party identity that you're unwilling to maybe hear out candidates on the

01:32:56.280 other side of the aisle. That's kind of where I'm at on that issue. That's just one example

01:33:00.520 of something that can be done. But in regard to what we do, Megan, for our careers, I have no

01:33:06.680 problem collaborating with people on the right. I have no problem debating people on the right

01:33:12.080 either in a simple way on other issues. But if Tucker Carlson wants to work with me, if you want

01:33:17.220 to work with me, if we want to find a way to work together to get the message out to our audiences

01:33:22.640 on this incredibly important issue. I am ready and willing to do it, knowing that there are

01:33:27.900 people on my side. I'm going to deal with friendly fire from them because they think you should only

01:33:32.060 talk to your own side. No, I'm not going to do that. And more importantly, I'm not going to

01:33:36.260 condemn people based on what a mob demands of me. Right. So I get that same tree opposite.

01:33:44.200 Exactly. Exactly. The timing of it. It's now official that all 18 to 25 year olds will

01:33:50.580 automatically be registered for the draft here in America.

01:33:54.220 They've made it super easy where it's like automatic now.

01:33:57.920 You're just, as soon as you hit 18,

01:33:59.760 you're automatically registered to go off

01:34:01.700 and be drafted to fight Israel's wars.

01:34:05.020 And so it's like now more than ever,

01:34:07.120 we need to be paying attention to who we elect

01:34:10.840 because even somebody we trusted as much as Trump

01:34:13.780 can wind up putting our young boys and women,

01:34:18.300 our gals and guys at risk.

01:34:20.020 You know, he can be bamboozled into launching a war that's in Israel's interest, not ours.

01:34:27.540 And indeed, we have lost American service personnel as a result of this. 0.78

01:34:31.680 And that's to say nothing of the hundreds injured.

01:34:34.580 I really don't think we're getting the straight numbers on the numbers. 0.76

01:34:37.340 I agree.

01:34:37.700 And so it's like, and now, you know, my children are creeping up to that age. 0.76

01:34:44.260 Automatically, they're going to be registered to go fight Israel's next war.

01:34:47.640 unless we do work together, Anna, to stop this, stop this cycle.

01:34:52.400 Absolutely. And it goes beyond potential drafts and forcing Americans to fight a war on behalf

01:35:00.600 of a foreign country. Even if we were to sever the, I think, malignant relationship that we have

01:35:07.740 with Israel right now, the fact of the matter is our economy is in a lot of trouble. We've lost a 1.00

01:35:13.940 lot as a result of this war. So right now, Iran not only has control of the Strait of Hormuz, 0.91

01:35:19.980 they've always had control of it. It's the fact that they're now charging tolls for oil tankers

01:35:27.640 or anything that's being transported through the strait. So those costs will be passed down to

01:35:32.380 Americans, no question about it. But OK, even worse, even worse, they are not allowing the 0.98

01:35:38.200 transactions using American dollars. They're doing with Chinese currency and crypto. No,

01:35:43.940 Chinese currency. Oh, yeah. Well, that's so we are alleged talking points or the alleged 10 point

01:35:49.500 plan that now we're told is not the right one had had wanted crypto. But yeah, I mean, the Chinese 0.99

01:35:54.120 have had a huge opportunity this whole thing to come in as the new world leader and be the voice

01:35:58.740 of reason. That's what we used to be. And on top of that, despite the fact that Israel had

01:36:03.660 an economic surplus in 2021, 2022, we continue to fund their military adventures, their weaponry,

01:36:13.140 their idea if we send them nearly four billion dollars a year and then on top of that we add

01:36:18.160 supplemental funding whenever they get involved in one of their wars wait why are we sending a

01:36:22.800 country that had an economic surplus in 2021 our money which by the way we're 40 trillion dollars

01:36:28.720 in debt we didn't have an economic surplus so why were we going into more debt to hand over

01:36:34.680 more resources to a foreign country how did that benefit us that makes no sense and then we just

01:36:40.020 spent 40 billion dollars at least on this war which was exactly for their benefit i mean it's

01:36:45.120 like we and and the president is back again asking for billions and billions more from from congress

01:36:50.940 to fund the military depletions that we suffered as a result you know all these interceptors and

01:36:56.480 so on that now have to be replenished otherwise we're sitting ducks so it's just the whole thing

01:37:01.260 is so frustrating and it's so exasperating but look it's also educational it's illuminating

01:37:07.620 That's the upside.

01:37:08.800 It's illuminating.

01:37:09.660 Yes.

01:37:09.900 And I do think it's going to unite the left and the right on this very important issue in a way they haven't been before.

01:37:15.200 You know, I can speak from the perspective of somebody who is just ardently pro-Israel without questioning.

01:37:19.920 I used to look at people like you as just sort of like, that's crazy. 0.84

01:37:23.520 They just, they can't stand Israel. 0.99

01:37:25.220 I don't know why. 1.00

01:37:26.220 I knew enough to know, like, keep questioning because I would have like Glenn on my show all the time and he's always been this way.

01:37:32.600 But I didn't listen.

01:37:33.640 I wasn't open-minded and I am now in a way that I think a lot of Republicans are starting to be

01:37:39.080 and haven't been. So thank you for being a part of that. And thanks for being on the show today

01:37:43.020 and we'll do it again soon. Thank you. Lots of love. And thanks to all of you for listening as

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 09, 2026

Sham ＂Dignity＂ Amnesty Bill, and the Crucial Lebanon Factor, with Michael Knowles and Ana Kasparian ｜ Ep. 1292

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